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+I love the name of Mageia, and personally i am proud because it refers to the greek word &quot;Μαγεία&quot; =&gt; Magic =&gt; Magique<br clear="all"><br><div>what is the history of choosing the name ?</div><div><br></div><div>
+-- <br></div><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+I love the name of Mageia, and personally i am proud because it refers to the greek word &quot;Μαγεία&quot; =&gt; Magic =&gt; Magique<br clear="all"><br><div>what is the history of choosing the name ?</div><div><br></div><div>
+-- <br></div><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi !</div><div>You can find the greek translation here:<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt"><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</a></a></div><div><br></div>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div></div></blockquote><br><div>Hope the new name gets a big support from&nbsp;<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Hellenic Penguins :-)</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Salut,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Sinner</span></div></body></html>
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+<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi !</div><div>You can find the greek translation here:<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt"><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</a></a></div><div><br></div>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div></div></blockquote><br><div>Hope the new name gets a big support from&nbsp;<span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Hellenic Penguins :-)</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Salut,</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.292969); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">Sinner</span></div></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Hi,<br>
+    <br>
+    For a server, I know that MLO (french community, ) proposed web
+    hosting.<br>
+    <a
+href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/forum/topic-9378-1+mandriva-forke-8594-mageia.php#m94166">(http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/forum/topic-9378-1+mandriva-forke-8594-mageia.php#m94166</a>,
+    use google translate :-) &nbsp; )<br>
+    <br>
+    Cheers,<br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu<br>
+    Le 18/09/2010 21:55, herman a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:1284839716.28235.13.camel@athene" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi everybody,
+
+Mailing lists are a good start, but we need to get a Web Forum up and
+running as soon as possible.  I do not know whether someone is already
+working on one, but I can help to finance it.  
+
+If no-one is working on it already, then I can go and rent a server and
+set it all up too, but I don't want to duplicate effort. 
+
+Please let me know. 
+
+Cheers,
+
+Herman
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Hi,<br>
+    <br>
+    For a server, I know that MLO (french community, ) proposed web
+    hosting.<br>
+    <a
+href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/forum/topic-9378-1+mandriva-forke-8594-mageia.php#m94166">(http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/forum/topic-9378-1+mandriva-forke-8594-mageia.php#m94166</a>,
+    use google translate :-) &nbsp; )<br>
+    <br>
+    Cheers,<br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu<br>
+    Le 18/09/2010 21:55, herman a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:1284839716.28235.13.camel@athene" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi everybody,
+
+Mailing lists are a good start, but we need to get a Web Forum up and
+running as soon as possible.  I do not know whether someone is already
+working on one, but I can help to finance it.  
+
+If no-one is working on it already, then I can go and rent a server and
+set it all up too, but I don't want to duplicate effort. 
+
+Please let me know. 
+
+Cheers,
+
+Herman
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">The complete translate of Mageia website to brasilian portuguese,�by filipesaraiva(<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com" target="_blank">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>) and aracele(<a href="mailto:araceletorres@gmail.com" target="_blank">araceletorres@gmail.com</a>).<div>
+Link on�<a href="http://pastebin.ca/1943622" target="_blank">pastebin.ca/1943622</a></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><br></div><div><div>MAGEIA - UMA NOVA DISTRIBUI��O LINUX</div><div><br></div><div>Paris, 18 de setembro de 2010</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Como voc� deve ter ouvido falar, o futuro do Mandriva Linux � incerto.</div><div><br></div><div>A maioria dos empregados que trabalhavam na distribui��o foram demitidos quando a Edge-IT foi liquidada. N�s n�o confiamos mais nos planos da Mandriva SA e n�o acreditamos que a empresa (ou qualquer outra empresa) seja um porto seguro para tal projeto.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Muitas coisas aconteceram nos �ltimos 12 anos. Algumas foram muito boas: a comunidade em torno do Mandriva Linux � grande, motivada e experiente, a distribui��o se tornou uma das mais populares e premiadas, f�cil de usar e inovadora. Alguns outros eventos tiveram consequ�ncias realmente muito ruins, que fizeram as pessoas ficarem n�o t�o confiantes quanto a viabilidade de sua distribui��o favorita.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>As pessoas que trabalham nisto apenas n�o querem ser dependentes da economia flutuante e err�tica, e os inexplic�veis movimentos estrat�gicos de uma empresa.</div><div><br></div><div>Fork do Mandriva Linux? Sim!</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Fazer um fork de um projeto de c�digo aberto existente nunca � uma decis�o f�cil de ser tomada, e fazer um fork do Mandriva Linux � um trabalho imenso.</div><div><br></div><div>Isto n�o foi uma decis�o impulsiva. N�s todos conversamos: ex-empregados, contribuidores do Cooker e a comunidade de usu�rios. N�s coletamos opini�es e rea��es nas �ltimas semanas pois precis�vamos de algum tipo de acordo global e garantias para uma base inicial antes de seguirmos adiante.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Acreditamos que um fork � a melhor solu��o e decidimos criar uma nova distribui��o: Mageia.</div><div><br></div><div>Novos fundamentos.</div><div><br></div><div>Mageia � um projeto da comunidade: ele n�o vai depender do destino de uma empresa particular.</div>
+<div>Uma organiza��o sem fins lucrativos ser� criada nos pr�ximos dias e ser� gerida por um conselho de membros da comunidade.�</div><div>Ap�s o primeiro ano, o conselho ser� eleito regularmente pelos membros comprometidos com a comunidade.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Esta organiza��o ir� gerenciar e coordenar a distribui��o: c�digo e hospedagem do software e distribui��o, constru��o do sistema, marketing, comunica��o e promo��o de eventos. Dados, fatos, roteiros, designs ser�o compartilhados, discutidos atrav�s desta organiza��o.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Vamos discutir e estabelecer os detalhes nos pr�ximos dias.</div><div><br></div><div>A distribui��o Mageia ser� o que o conselho fizer com que ela seja, com a ajuda e contribui��o de toda comunidade.</div>
+<div>N�s j� temos ideias e planos para esta distribui��o; queremos:</div><div><br></div><div>tornar o Linux e o software livre simples de usar para todos;</div><div>fornecer ferramentas de configura��o do sistema integrado;</div>
+<div>manter um alto n�vel de integra��o entre a base do sistema, o desktop (KDE/GNOME) e aplica��es; especialmente melhorar a integra��o com softwares de terceiros (sendo ele livre de software propriet�rio);</div><div>focar em novas arquiteturas;</div>
+<div>melhorar nossa compreens�o sobre usu�rios de computadores e dispositivos eletr�nicos.</div><div><br></div><div>Voc� certamente tem as suas ideias tamb�m. N�s teremos tempo para compartilh�-las.</div><div><br></div><div>
+Comunidade.</div><div><br></div><div>Entendemos a comunidade Mageia como:</div><div><br></div><div>usu�rios,</div><div>criadores (designers, programadores, empacotadores, tradutores e testadores, etc),</div><div>entusiastas.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Eles podem ser indiv�duos, organiza��es e empresas de todo o mundo.</div><div>Existem desafios aqui, tantos pa�ses, tantas l�nguas, tantas culturas, necessidades t�o diferentes. E isso � �timo.</div><div>
+<br></div><div>Vimos com a experi�ncia da Assembl�ia Mandriva que n�o � uma tarefa f�cil. Acreditamos que podemos fazer melhor ainda.</div><div><br></div><div>Pessoas.</div><div><br></div><div>Fa�a o que fizer na vida, as pessoas s�o seu maior e �nico recurso verdadeiro.</div>
+<div>E Mageia visa ajudar as pessoas. Quest�es de responsabilidade. Estamos apenas no in�cio deste fork. N�o vai ser f�cil. Mas acreditamos que seja necess�rio.</div><div><br></div><div>Ahmad Samir (ahmad78) - Colaborador da Mandriva (equipe de triagem de bugs, empacotamento)</div>
+<div>Anne Nicolas (ennael) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (era empacotador, gerente de lan�amento, gestor da comunidade)</div><div>Anssi Hannula (Anssi) - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, tradu��es)</div><div>Arnaud Patard (rtp) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (era hacker do kernel)</div>
+<div>Christophe Fergeau (teuf) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (trabalhava com urpmi, drakxtools, rpm, gcc, ...)</div><div>Colin Guthrie (coling) - Colaborador da Mandriva (Pulse Audio, empacotamento)</div><div>Damien Lallement (dams) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (era gerente de QA)</div>
+<div>Erwan Velu - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, habilitando hardware)</div><div>F�lix Martos - administrador Blogdrake</div><div>Guillaume Rousse (guillomovitch) - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, ferramentas do espelho)</div>
+<div>J�r�me Quelin (jq) - Colaborador da Mandriva (Perl, empacotamento)</div><div>Michael Scherer (misc) - Colaborador da Mandriva (constru��o do sistema, Python, empacotamento)</div><div>Nicolas Vigier (boklm) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (trabalhava na constru��o do sistema, empacotamento, projetos de pesquisa da Mandriva)</div>
+<div>Olivier Blin (blino) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (trabalhava com Drakxtools, instalador, Perl, boot, ...)</div><div>Olivier Mejean (goom) - Comunidade francesa de usu�rios</div><div>Olivier Thauvin (Nanar) - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, espelhos)</div>
+<div>Pascal Vilarem (maat) - Comunidade �francesa de usu�rios</div><div>Romain d&#39;Alverny (rda) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (era gerente do sistema de informa��o)</div><div>S�verine Wiltgen (sevalienor) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (trabalhava com suporte profissional, server stack)</div>
+<div>Thierry Vignaud (tv) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva e contribuidor (Drakxtools, instalador, Perl, empacotamento)</div><div>Thomas Backlund (tmb) - Colaborador da Mandriva (hacker do kernel, tradu��es)</div><div>Wolfgang Bornath (wobo) - Comunidade alem� de usu�rios</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Para outros contribuidores: se voc� quiser que seu nome seja adicionado � lista, indicando que pretende seguir o fork, avise-nos no canal IRC, ou por e-mail.</div><div><br></div><div>Pr�ximos passos</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Estamos procurando muitas coisas diferentes nos pr�ximos dias:</div><div><br></div><div>hardware para hospedagem de c�digo, servidores + datacenters para hospedar o projeto;</div><div>desenvolvedores, colaboradores, tradutores e testadores a dispostos a contribuir no desenvolvimento de Mageia;</div>
+<div>conselhos sobre a constru��o da organiza��o e seus processos, etc</div><div><br></div><div>Sua ajuda e apoio ser� muito apreciada.</div><div><br></div><div>Como nos contatar</div><div><br></div><div>Mailing-lists</div>
+<div><br></div><div>IRC (Rede Freenode)</div><div><br></div><div>#mageia (English),</div><div>#mageia-dev (developers channel, English),</div><div>#mageia-kde (KDE-specific channel),</div><div>#mageia-br (Portugu�s do Brasil),</div>
+<div>#mageia-fi (Finnish),</div><div>#mageia-fr (Fran�ais),</div><div>#mageia-es (Espa�ol),</div><div>#mageia-ru (Russian)</div><div>�</div><br>--�<br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog:�<a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br></div></div></div>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">The complete translate of Mageia website to brasilian portuguese,�by filipesaraiva(<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com" target="_blank">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>) and aracele(<a href="mailto:araceletorres@gmail.com" target="_blank">araceletorres@gmail.com</a>).<div>
+Link on�<a href="http://pastebin.ca/1943622" target="_blank">pastebin.ca/1943622</a></div><div><br></div><div><div><div><br></div><div><div>MAGEIA - UMA NOVA DISTRIBUI��O LINUX</div><div><br></div><div>Paris, 18 de setembro de 2010</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Como voc� deve ter ouvido falar, o futuro do Mandriva Linux � incerto.</div><div><br></div><div>A maioria dos empregados que trabalhavam na distribui��o foram demitidos quando a Edge-IT foi liquidada. N�s n�o confiamos mais nos planos da Mandriva SA e n�o acreditamos que a empresa (ou qualquer outra empresa) seja um porto seguro para tal projeto.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Muitas coisas aconteceram nos �ltimos 12 anos. Algumas foram muito boas: a comunidade em torno do Mandriva Linux � grande, motivada e experiente, a distribui��o se tornou uma das mais populares e premiadas, f�cil de usar e inovadora. Alguns outros eventos tiveram consequ�ncias realmente muito ruins, que fizeram as pessoas ficarem n�o t�o confiantes quanto a viabilidade de sua distribui��o favorita.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>As pessoas que trabalham nisto apenas n�o querem ser dependentes da economia flutuante e err�tica, e os inexplic�veis movimentos estrat�gicos de uma empresa.</div><div><br></div><div>Fork do Mandriva Linux? Sim!</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Fazer um fork de um projeto de c�digo aberto existente nunca � uma decis�o f�cil de ser tomada, e fazer um fork do Mandriva Linux � um trabalho imenso.</div><div><br></div><div>Isto n�o foi uma decis�o impulsiva. N�s todos conversamos: ex-empregados, contribuidores do Cooker e a comunidade de usu�rios. N�s coletamos opini�es e rea��es nas �ltimas semanas pois precis�vamos de algum tipo de acordo global e garantias para uma base inicial antes de seguirmos adiante.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Acreditamos que um fork � a melhor solu��o e decidimos criar uma nova distribui��o: Mageia.</div><div><br></div><div>Novos fundamentos.</div><div><br></div><div>Mageia � um projeto da comunidade: ele n�o vai depender do destino de uma empresa particular.</div>
+<div>Uma organiza��o sem fins lucrativos ser� criada nos pr�ximos dias e ser� gerida por um conselho de membros da comunidade.�</div><div>Ap�s o primeiro ano, o conselho ser� eleito regularmente pelos membros comprometidos com a comunidade.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Esta organiza��o ir� gerenciar e coordenar a distribui��o: c�digo e hospedagem do software e distribui��o, constru��o do sistema, marketing, comunica��o e promo��o de eventos. Dados, fatos, roteiros, designs ser�o compartilhados, discutidos atrav�s desta organiza��o.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Vamos discutir e estabelecer os detalhes nos pr�ximos dias.</div><div><br></div><div>A distribui��o Mageia ser� o que o conselho fizer com que ela seja, com a ajuda e contribui��o de toda comunidade.</div>
+<div>N�s j� temos ideias e planos para esta distribui��o; queremos:</div><div><br></div><div>tornar o Linux e o software livre simples de usar para todos;</div><div>fornecer ferramentas de configura��o do sistema integrado;</div>
+<div>manter um alto n�vel de integra��o entre a base do sistema, o desktop (KDE/GNOME) e aplica��es; especialmente melhorar a integra��o com softwares de terceiros (sendo ele livre de software propriet�rio);</div><div>focar em novas arquiteturas;</div>
+<div>melhorar nossa compreens�o sobre usu�rios de computadores e dispositivos eletr�nicos.</div><div><br></div><div>Voc� certamente tem as suas ideias tamb�m. N�s teremos tempo para compartilh�-las.</div><div><br></div><div>
+Comunidade.</div><div><br></div><div>Entendemos a comunidade Mageia como:</div><div><br></div><div>usu�rios,</div><div>criadores (designers, programadores, empacotadores, tradutores e testadores, etc),</div><div>entusiastas.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Eles podem ser indiv�duos, organiza��es e empresas de todo o mundo.</div><div>Existem desafios aqui, tantos pa�ses, tantas l�nguas, tantas culturas, necessidades t�o diferentes. E isso � �timo.</div><div>
+<br></div><div>Vimos com a experi�ncia da Assembl�ia Mandriva que n�o � uma tarefa f�cil. Acreditamos que podemos fazer melhor ainda.</div><div><br></div><div>Pessoas.</div><div><br></div><div>Fa�a o que fizer na vida, as pessoas s�o seu maior e �nico recurso verdadeiro.</div>
+<div>E Mageia visa ajudar as pessoas. Quest�es de responsabilidade. Estamos apenas no in�cio deste fork. N�o vai ser f�cil. Mas acreditamos que seja necess�rio.</div><div><br></div><div>Ahmad Samir (ahmad78) - Colaborador da Mandriva (equipe de triagem de bugs, empacotamento)</div>
+<div>Anne Nicolas (ennael) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (era empacotador, gerente de lan�amento, gestor da comunidade)</div><div>Anssi Hannula (Anssi) - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, tradu��es)</div><div>Arnaud Patard (rtp) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (era hacker do kernel)</div>
+<div>Christophe Fergeau (teuf) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (trabalhava com urpmi, drakxtools, rpm, gcc, ...)</div><div>Colin Guthrie (coling) - Colaborador da Mandriva (Pulse Audio, empacotamento)</div><div>Damien Lallement (dams) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (era gerente de QA)</div>
+<div>Erwan Velu - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, habilitando hardware)</div><div>F�lix Martos - administrador Blogdrake</div><div>Guillaume Rousse (guillomovitch) - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, ferramentas do espelho)</div>
+<div>J�r�me Quelin (jq) - Colaborador da Mandriva (Perl, empacotamento)</div><div>Michael Scherer (misc) - Colaborador da Mandriva (constru��o do sistema, Python, empacotamento)</div><div>Nicolas Vigier (boklm) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (trabalhava na constru��o do sistema, empacotamento, projetos de pesquisa da Mandriva)</div>
+<div>Olivier Blin (blino) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (trabalhava com Drakxtools, instalador, Perl, boot, ...)</div><div>Olivier Mejean (goom) - Comunidade francesa de usu�rios</div><div>Olivier Thauvin (Nanar) - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, espelhos)</div>
+<div>Pascal Vilarem (maat) - Comunidade �francesa de usu�rios</div><div>Romain d&#39;Alverny (rda) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (era gerente do sistema de informa��o)</div><div>S�verine Wiltgen (sevalienor) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva (trabalhava com suporte profissional, server stack)</div>
+<div>Thierry Vignaud (tv) - Ex-funcion�rio da Mandriva e contribuidor (Drakxtools, instalador, Perl, empacotamento)</div><div>Thomas Backlund (tmb) - Colaborador da Mandriva (hacker do kernel, tradu��es)</div><div>Wolfgang Bornath (wobo) - Comunidade alem� de usu�rios</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Para outros contribuidores: se voc� quiser que seu nome seja adicionado � lista, indicando que pretende seguir o fork, avise-nos no canal IRC, ou por e-mail.</div><div><br></div><div>Pr�ximos passos</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Estamos procurando muitas coisas diferentes nos pr�ximos dias:</div><div><br></div><div>hardware para hospedagem de c�digo, servidores + datacenters para hospedar o projeto;</div><div>desenvolvedores, colaboradores, tradutores e testadores a dispostos a contribuir no desenvolvimento de Mageia;</div>
+<div>conselhos sobre a constru��o da organiza��o e seus processos, etc</div><div><br></div><div>Sua ajuda e apoio ser� muito apreciada.</div><div><br></div><div>Como nos contatar</div><div><br></div><div>Mailing-lists</div>
+<div><br></div><div>IRC (Rede Freenode)</div><div><br></div><div>#mageia (English),</div><div>#mageia-dev (developers channel, English),</div><div>#mageia-kde (KDE-specific channel),</div><div>#mageia-br (Portugu�s do Brasil),</div>
+<div>#mageia-fi (Finnish),</div><div>#mageia-fr (Fran�ais),</div><div>#mageia-es (Espa�ol),</div><div>#mageia-ru (Russian)</div><div>�</div><br>--�<br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog:�<a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br></div></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Jeremiah Summers &lt;jmiahman@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, September 19, 2010 3:15:51 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia<br></font><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div class="h5">
+&gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com">pravi.a@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our<br>
+&gt;&gt; distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved<br>
+&gt;&gt; distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro<br>
+&gt;&gt; (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close<br>
+&gt;&gt; already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from<br>
+&gt;&gt; the kernel.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Here is the FSF guidelines<br><span>
+&gt;&gt; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</a></span><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Can we commit to these guidelines?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt;&gt; Praveen<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes to usability. Let's look at it from a community stand point and not some hippies agenda. Thanks.<br><br><br>+1 The ease of installing multimedia codecs and graphics card drivers is one of the things I have always loved about Mandriva.<br>
+</div></div>
+</div></div>
+</div><br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Jeremiah Summers &lt;jmiahman@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sun, September 19, 2010 3:15:51 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia<br></font><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div class="h5">
+&gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com">pravi.a@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our<br>
+&gt;&gt; distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved<br>
+&gt;&gt; distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro<br>
+&gt;&gt; (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close<br>
+&gt;&gt; already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from<br>
+&gt;&gt; the kernel.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Here is the FSF guidelines<br><span>
+&gt;&gt; <a target="_blank" href="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</a></span><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Can we commit to these guidelines?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt;&gt; Praveen<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes to usability. Let's look at it from a community stand point and not some hippies agenda. Thanks.<br><br><br>+1 The ease of installing multimedia codecs and graphics card drivers is one of the things I have always loved about Mandriva.<br>
+</div></div>
+</div></div>
+</div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div class="h5">
+&gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<a href="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com">pravi.a@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our<br>
+&gt;&gt; distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved<br>
+&gt;&gt; distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro<br>
+&gt;&gt; (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close<br>
+&gt;&gt; already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from<br>
+&gt;&gt; the kernel.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Here is the FSF guidelines<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Can we commit to these guidelines?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt;&gt; Praveen<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes to usability. Let&#39;s look at it from a community stand point and not some hippies agenda. Thanks.<br>
+</div></div>
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+&gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<a href="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com">pravi.a@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our<br>
+&gt;&gt; distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved<br>
+&gt;&gt; distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro<br>
+&gt;&gt; (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close<br>
+&gt;&gt; already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from<br>
+&gt;&gt; the kernel.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Here is the FSF guidelines<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Can we commit to these guidelines?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt;&gt; Praveen<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes to usability. Let&#39;s look at it from a community stand point and not some hippies agenda. Thanks.<br>
+</div></div>
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+<div>Hi !</div><div>You can find the greek translation here:<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</a></div><div><br></div>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div>Hi !</div><div>You can find the greek translation here:<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</a></div><div><br></div>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+So that would mean no PLF? �<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Walt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br></blockquote></div>
+</div>
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+So that would mean no PLF? �<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Walt<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br></blockquote></div>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 19 September 2010 01:48, Renaud MICHEL &lt;<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that&#39;s almost 10 years ago!)<br>
+&gt; then mandriva.<br>
+&gt; I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I hope I<br>
+&gt; will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first, and<br>
+&gt; maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I&#39;ve made some packages for my own<br>
+&gt; use).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and<br>
+&gt; installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Renaud Michel<br>
+<br>
+</div>Great, thanks for the voice of support :)<br>
+<br>
+Any help is welcome, be it testing, promoting, packaging. Once things<br>
+starts to roll, you can apply for a packager&#39;s account.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>I too would like to volunteer.�� Live in the US so can help with things that need to be done over here, also a developer and can help with packaging and what not.<br><br>�</div>
+</div>-- <br>&quot;The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creature that cannot.&quot;<br>� - Mark Twain<br>
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 19 September 2010 01:48, Renaud MICHEL &lt;<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that&#39;s almost 10 years ago!)<br>
+&gt; then mandriva.<br>
+&gt; I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I hope I<br>
+&gt; will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first, and<br>
+&gt; maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I&#39;ve made some packages for my own<br>
+&gt; use).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and<br>
+&gt; installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Renaud Michel<br>
+<br>
+</div>Great, thanks for the voice of support :)<br>
+<br>
+Any help is welcome, be it testing, promoting, packaging. Once things<br>
+starts to roll, you can apply for a packager&#39;s account.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>I too would like to volunteer.�� Live in the US so can help with things that need to be done over here, also a developer and can help with packaging and what not.<br><br>�</div>
+</div>-- <br>&quot;The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual superiority to other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his moral inferiority to any creature that cannot.&quot;<br>� - Mark Twain<br>
+
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/18 DjeZAeL <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:djezael@gmail.com">djezael@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 18/09/2010 16:11, Olivier M�jean a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+nicolas vigier a �crit<br>
+ � <br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello Mageia \o/<br>
+�� � �<br>
+</blockquote>
+Happy birthday Mageia !�</blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+��<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+I would even say &quot;Happy Birth Mageia&quot; !</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Magic Mageia ! in time for � <a href="http://softwarefreedomday.org/">http://softwarefreedomday.org/</a> \o/</div><div><br></div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">�</blockquote></div><br>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/18 DjeZAeL <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:djezael@gmail.com">djezael@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 18/09/2010 16:11, Olivier M�jean a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+nicolas vigier a �crit<br>
+ � <br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello Mageia \o/<br>
+�� � �<br>
+</blockquote>
+Happy birthday Mageia !�</blockquote></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+��<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+I would even say &quot;Happy Birth Mageia&quot; !</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Magic Mageia ! in time for � <a href="http://softwarefreedomday.org/">http://softwarefreedomday.org/</a> \o/</div><div><br></div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">�</blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    I am sorry for my English, I am from Guatemala, I am studing English
+    and now I am going to Study hard to comunicate with all of you.<br>
+    <br>
+    I write for the first time and I do it to the 3 lists just to
+    introduce myself,<br>
+    I am a Mandrake user since version 7 and now with Mandriva<br>
+    2010.1, mandriva is the best and I'm ready to help as<br>
+    necessary to this project.<br>
+    <br>
+    I am studing computer engineering, I like to program in C++ / Qt4,
+    not<br>
+    know much kdelibs but what I can, I'm here to help.<br>
+    <br>
+    Again, I am sorry for my English jejejejeje.<br>
+    <br>
+    :)<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    I am sorry for my English, I am from Guatemala, I am studing English
+    and now I am going to Study hard to comunicate with all of you.<br>
+    <br>
+    I write for the first time and I do it to the 3 lists just to
+    introduce myself,<br>
+    I am a Mandrake user since version 7 and now with Mandriva<br>
+    2010.1, mandriva is the best and I'm ready to help as<br>
+    necessary to this project.<br>
+    <br>
+    I am studing computer engineering, I like to program in C++ / Qt4,
+    not<br>
+    know much kdelibs but what I can, I'm here to help.<br>
+    <br>
+    Again, I am sorry for my English jejejejeje.<br>
+    <br>
+    :)<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+Hello, my name is Filipe Saraiva, brazilian, member of KDE regional group and Mandriva user. I traduzed the website of Mageia to brazilian portuguese.<div><br></div><div>I am willing to help to promote Mageia in brazilian free software community.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Hugs,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/18 Andrey Borzenkov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:arvidjaar@mail.ru">arvidjaar@mail.ru</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Saturday 18 of September 2010 11:42:47 Jos� Israel de Le�n<br>
+<div class="im">Cord�n wrote:<br>
+&gt; I am sorry for my English, I am from Guatemala, I am studing English<br>
+&gt; and now I am going to Study hard to comunicate with all of you.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I write for the first time and I do it to the 3 lists just to<br>
+&gt; introduce myself, I am a Mandrake user since version 7 and now with<br>
+&gt; Mandriva<br>
+&gt; 2010.1, mandriva is the best and I&#39;m ready to help as<br>
+&gt; necessary to this project.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am studing computer engineering, I like to program in C++ / Qt4, not<br>
+&gt; know much kdelibs but what I can, I&#39;m here to help.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Again, I am sorry for my English jejejejeje.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Please do not post in HTML in any technical list.<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+Hello, my name is Filipe Saraiva, brazilian, member of KDE regional group and Mandriva user. I traduzed the website of Mageia to brazilian portuguese.<div><br></div><div>I am willing to help to promote Mageia in brazilian free software community.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Hugs,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/18 Andrey Borzenkov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:arvidjaar@mail.ru">arvidjaar@mail.ru</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Saturday 18 of September 2010 11:42:47 Jos� Israel de Le�n<br>
+<div class="im">Cord�n wrote:<br>
+&gt; I am sorry for my English, I am from Guatemala, I am studing English<br>
+&gt; and now I am going to Study hard to comunicate with all of you.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I write for the first time and I do it to the 3 lists just to<br>
+&gt; introduce myself, I am a Mandrake user since version 7 and now with<br>
+&gt; Mandriva<br>
+&gt; 2010.1, mandriva is the best and I&#39;m ready to help as<br>
+&gt; necessary to this project.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am studing computer engineering, I like to program in C++ / Qt4, not<br>
+&gt; know much kdelibs but what I can, I&#39;m here to help.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Again, I am sorry for my English jejejejeje.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Please do not post in HTML in any technical list.<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">Add mandriva backport but containing more software (vlc, mplayer, smplayer, etc ...) to the extent it does not break the system.<br></span></span><div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell" style="">
+<div dir="ltr" style=""><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">This deposit would be enabled by default in the system.</span></span></div></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">Add mandriva backport but containing more software (vlc, mplayer, smplayer, etc ...) to the extent it does not break the system.<br></span></span><div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell" style="">
+<div dir="ltr" style=""><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">This deposit would be enabled by default in the system.</span></span></div></div><br>
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+In my opinion, in terms of logo, gejo&#39;s art (<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(6, 88, 181); ">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a></span>) is very cool. Others arts could be the wallpaper or others artistics elements of distribution.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Dale Huckeby <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Felix Martos wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I really love it! The idea is great, and maybe a dark shape of a<br>
+penguin inside would make it looke like a very good logo<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Penguin images are cute and cuddly but are precisely what have made past logos look dorky. I like the<br>
+image just as it is. It evokes the idea of magic without looking silly. Really good design.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+In my opinion, in terms of logo, gejo&#39;s art (<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; border-collapse: collapse; "><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(6, 88, 181); ">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a></span>) is very cool. Others arts could be the wallpaper or others artistics elements of distribution.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Dale Huckeby <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Felix Martos wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I really love it! The idea is great, and maybe a dark shape of a<br>
+penguin inside would make it looke like a very good logo<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Penguin images are cute and cuddly but are precisely what have made past logos look dorky. I like the<br>
+image just as it is. It evokes the idea of magic without looking silly. Really good design.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+Bonjour, <br><br>Merci pour l&#39;initiative Mageia, j&#39;esp�re que cette nouvelle distribution sera de type rolling release.<br>Ou si ce n&#39;est pas le cas, faites un d�p�t � jour pour les applications phare comme vlc, firefox etc...<br>
+Cela attirera �norm�ment d&#39;utilisateur et vous d�marquera des 700 distributions existantes.<br>Cordialement,<br><br>HacKurx<br>
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+Bonjour, <br><br>Merci pour l&#39;initiative Mageia, j&#39;esp�re que cette nouvelle distribution sera de type rolling release.<br>Ou si ce n&#39;est pas le cas, faites un d�p�t � jour pour les applications phare comme vlc, firefox etc...<br>
+Cela attirera �norm�ment d&#39;utilisateur et vous d�marquera des 700 distributions existantes.<br>Cordialement,<br><br>HacKurx<br>
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+I have been a linux user for 11 years now. �I first started�with�redhat and quickly moved on to Mandrake because it was geared more to the desktop. �This was back in 1999. �I think I have tried almost every linux distro to come out but always came back to mandrake/mandriva. My training is in computer tech, hardware, not software but I have no problem helping people figure out how to do something in Linux. I would love to be involved with this new distro right from the beginning so if the people in charge see this, just let me know how I can help.<div>
+<br></div><div>Walt</div>
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+I have been a linux user for 11 years now. �I first started�with�redhat and quickly moved on to Mandrake because it was geared more to the desktop. �This was back in 1999. �I think I have tried almost every linux distro to come out but always came back to mandrake/mandriva. My training is in computer tech, hardware, not software but I have no problem helping people figure out how to do something in Linux. I would love to be involved with this new distro right from the beginning so if the people in charge see this, just let me know how I can help.<div>
+<br></div><div>Walt</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 23:40, André Machado a écrit :
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font:inherit" valign="top"><div class="im">I suggest what 1st
+              Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;<br>
+              <br>
+              Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+              Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the
+              late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork
+              called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+              distro was not ahead.<br>
+              <br></div>
+              Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename
+              was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians as part of
+              Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operating
+              system.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+    symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for
+    people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not
+    mean anything for people from outside, that&#39;s why a much more
+    powerful name would be better to have a great meaning (and why not
+    link it to the artwork? Well, that&#39;ll be to determine in the
+    future). <br>
+    <br>
+    Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of
+    the first stable release for Mageia could be really nice. <br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><div>My two cents:</div><div><br></div><div>We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou&#39; there was speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it&#39;s community.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 23:40, André Machado a écrit :
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font:inherit" valign="top"><div class="im">I suggest what 1st
+              Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;<br>
+              <br>
+              Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+              Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the
+              late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork
+              called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+              distro was not ahead.<br>
+              <br></div>
+              Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename
+              was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians as part of
+              Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operating
+              system.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+    symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for
+    people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not
+    mean anything for people from outside, that&#39;s why a much more
+    powerful name would be better to have a great meaning (and why not
+    link it to the artwork? Well, that&#39;ll be to determine in the
+    future). <br>
+    <br>
+    Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of
+    the first stable release for Mageia could be really nice. <br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><div>My two cents:</div><div><br></div><div>We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou&#39; there was speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it&#39;s community.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>I want to be clear I wasn't suggesting replacing urpmi..more of a concern that one or more of the dev's onboard can maintain/improve on it over time. :) and was offing a possible alternative if not.<br>Once Mageia is rolling along I'd like to see some enhancements for the gui in the mcc like Smart offers.. downgrading, locking packages, the ability<br>to see the other packages(even if older) not just the current and possible upgrade. I know you can hunt down the urpmi skip list and edit it manually <br>or downgrade through the cli but neither is beginner friendly.. Also the information in easy to read tabs you can see the full dependencies, what if replaces what it needs.. Again that info is retrievable from the cli...gui not so much.<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Maarten Vanraes" &lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt;<br>To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 1:29:01 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools<br><br>Op zondag 19 september 2010 18:30:07 schreef André Salaün:<br>&gt; Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:14:43 +0200<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Maarten Vanraes &lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt; a écrit:<br>&gt; &gt; Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:57:54 schreef Jan Ciger:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;tux99-mga@uridium.org&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; which IMHO means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Jan<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; it is the best package manager. however everything can improve and i am<br>&gt; &gt; having some small improvement ideas, but those are for a later time.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Like downgrading packages as smart can do it ?<br><br>urpmi can do that too<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br></div></body></html>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>I want to be clear I wasn't suggesting replacing urpmi..more of a concern that one or more of the dev's onboard can maintain/improve on it over time. :) and was offing a possible alternative if not.<br>Once Mageia is rolling along I'd like to see some enhancements for the gui in the mcc like Smart offers.. downgrading, locking packages, the ability<br>to see the other packages(even if older) not just the current and possible upgrade. I know you can hunt down the urpmi skip list and edit it manually <br>or downgrade through the cli but neither is beginner friendly.. Also the information in easy to read tabs you can see the full dependencies, what if replaces what it needs.. Again that info is retrievable from the cli...gui not so much.<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Maarten Vanraes" &lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt;<br>To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 1:29:01 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools<br><br>Op zondag 19 september 2010 18:30:07 schreef André Salaün:<br>&gt; Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:14:43 +0200<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Maarten Vanraes &lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt; a écrit:<br>&gt; &gt; Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:57:54 schreef Jan Ciger:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;tux99-mga@uridium.org&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; which IMHO means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Jan<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; it is the best package manager. however everything can improve and i am<br>&gt; &gt; having some small improvement ideas, but those are for a later time.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Like downgrading packages as smart can do it ?<br><br>urpmi can do that too<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br></div></body></html>
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+The second is here...<br><br><a href="http://psd.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tutorials-effects/create-a-magic-crystal-ball/">http://psd.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tutorials-effects/create-a-magic-crystal-ball/</a><br><br>
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+The second is here...<br><br><a href="http://psd.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tutorials-effects/create-a-magic-crystal-ball/">http://psd.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tutorials-effects/create-a-magic-crystal-ball/</a><br><br>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Hi!</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><br /></font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >I chose a font in which the &quot;g&quot; does not take prominence over the rest of the letters. I think a logo is more homogeneous.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >I thought the colors blue and black protagonists. Something a little more current, more flat and minimalist, like professional logos.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Saludos ;)</p><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Farfouille</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 17:47</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">Hi Malcer,  I like the font. Maybe the tail of 'g' should be longer. But I'm not  fond of the purpleish halo which recalls me Ubuntu.    Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Tux99 a écrit : &gt; On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Any ideas without repeating concepts? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Greetings;) &gt; The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to &gt; be svg (vector graphics) to be usable. &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list &gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org &gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss &gt; &gt;   _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Hi!</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><br /></font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >I chose a font in which the &quot;g&quot; does not take prominence over the rest of the letters. I think a logo is more homogeneous.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >I thought the colors blue and black protagonists. Something a little more current, more flat and minimalist, like professional logos.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Saludos ;)</p><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Farfouille</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 17:47</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">Hi Malcer,  I like the font. Maybe the tail of 'g' should be longer. But I'm not  fond of the purpleish halo which recalls me Ubuntu.    Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Tux99 a écrit : &gt; On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Any ideas without repeating concepts? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Greetings;) &gt; The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to &gt; be svg (vector graphics) to be usable. &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list &gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org &gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss &gt; &gt;   _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+Yeah, you should stick a fork into it.;-)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Oh, very cool!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/19 gejo &lt;<a href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I made a logo for Mageia:<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Is there any contest or something else?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, the image looks cool and I do not have a constructive comment.<br>
+But to me this is a very strong reminder of Mandrakelinux.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Yeah, you should stick a fork into it.;-)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Oh, very cool!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/19 gejo &lt;<a href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I made a logo for Mageia:<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Is there any contest or something else?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, the image looks cool and I do not have a constructive comment.<br>
+But to me this is a very strong reminder of Mandrakelinux.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikMV+9KX1pzfkPE7-mdO7mgzzv3BwjnRh9Bb9L5@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to
+        give an inspiration</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in
+        stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+      <br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    The first picture is magic !! I like this.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikMV+9KX1pzfkPE7-mdO7mgzzv3BwjnRh9Bb9L5@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to
+        give an inspiration</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in
+        stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+      <br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    The first picture is magic !! I like this.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Very beaufitul! I LOVE the KMenu icon! ^^<br /><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Nuno Pinheiro</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 19:52</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example  usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a  container of anything  http://i0.simplest-image- hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png  please cc me :) --  oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Very beaufitul! I LOVE the KMenu icon! ^^<br /><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Nuno Pinheiro</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 19:52</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example  usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a  container of anything  http://i0.simplest-image- hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png  please cc me :) --  oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+Hi everybody, I am Gonzalo Igartua aka GregoryBravas.<br><br>I am working with <a href="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</a> (spanish speakers mandriva community ) since 4 years ago, like Admin .<br><br><span dir="ltr" id=":21i">I am very excited about this project, </span>becouse <span dir="ltr" id=":21i">previously I was disagree with many of� decisions mandriva company, </span><span dir="ltr" id=":21i">I think this is a good opportunity</span><span dir="ltr" id=":21i"> to do things our way.<br>
+<br><br>I can colaborate� with help users support (forums), and packaging programs (repositories).<br><br><br>Cheers<br></span>
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+Hi everybody, I am Gonzalo Igartua aka GregoryBravas.<br><br>I am working with <a href="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</a> (spanish speakers mandriva community ) since 4 years ago, like Admin .<br><br><span dir="ltr" id=":21i">I am very excited about this project, </span>becouse <span dir="ltr" id=":21i">previously I was disagree with many of� decisions mandriva company, </span><span dir="ltr" id=":21i">I think this is a good opportunity</span><span dir="ltr" id=":21i"> to do things our way.<br>
+<br><br>I can colaborate� with help users support (forums), and packaging programs (repositories).<br><br><br>Cheers<br></span>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="">Guys and girls, just decided, and who want to help do your part.�</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Will certainly have people who prefer Wordpress or Drupal, but is not going to discuss it forever.�</span><span title="">List the advantages and disadvantages of each and picks the one that best meets our needs.</span></span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Lirodon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:superfox436@gmail.com">superfox436@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS&#39;s on the IRC channel, I thought I&#39;d bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot; manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light. So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?<div>
+
+<br></div><div>Shawn</div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
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+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="">Guys and girls, just decided, and who want to help do your part.�</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Will certainly have people who prefer Wordpress or Drupal, but is not going to discuss it forever.�</span><span title="">List the advantages and disadvantages of each and picks the one that best meets our needs.</span></span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Lirodon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:superfox436@gmail.com">superfox436@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS&#39;s on the IRC channel, I thought I&#39;d bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot; manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light. So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?<div>
+
+<br></div><div>Shawn</div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I hope that these issues can be solved when distro have your own datacenter or dedicated server. Btw, this is CRITICAL for now!<br><br>At the future, once solved the issue about edu,mageia.org or mageia.org/edu, maybe centralize all worldwide sites in only one place, with domains just pointing to your right page.<br><br>Suggestions and examples:<br><br>If edu.mageia.org be addopted, we can create something like www.mageia.org/pt-br for Brazil Portuguese website version and edu.mageia.org/pt-br would be the edu.mageia.org portuguese version of that page. Thus, www.mageia.com.br would points to mageia,org/edu.<br><br>&nbsp;If we <span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">would convince</span></span> all worldwide site maintaners to do it, the whole thing would be more organized and economical, because
+ they wouldn't pay for a host.<br><br>I guess what Mandriva website is tis way. <br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par� <i>&lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page<br>Para: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:17<br><br><div id="yiv313630338">
+
+  
+
+    
+  Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr� Machado a �crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">When you go to
+              <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a>, you go to the project website, but
+              when you type <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</a> you go to a page
+              entitled "Welcome to zarb.org". This occurs mainly when
+              leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be
+              fixed because can cause confusion.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre><fieldset class="yiv313630338mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    You also get strange results if you type in <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.mageia.nl">http://www.mageia.nl</a>,
+    <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</a>; <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.nl">https://www.mageia.nl</a> and finally <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</a>
+    . Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the mageia.nl owner
+    announced the site offered a link to the official mageia.org site.
+    Some of these lead to the zarb.org site.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  
+</div><br>-----Anexo incorporado-----<br><br><div class="plainMail">_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I hope that these issues can be solved when distro have your own datacenter or dedicated server. Btw, this is CRITICAL for now!<br><br>At the future, once solved the issue about edu,mageia.org or mageia.org/edu, maybe centralize all worldwide sites in only one place, with domains just pointing to your right page.<br><br>Suggestions and examples:<br><br>If edu.mageia.org be addopted, we can create something like www.mageia.org/pt-br for Brazil Portuguese website version and edu.mageia.org/pt-br would be the edu.mageia.org portuguese version of that page. Thus, www.mageia.com.br would points to mageia,org/edu.<br><br>&nbsp;If we <span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">would convince</span></span> all worldwide site maintaners to do it, the whole thing would be more organized and economical, because
+ they wouldn't pay for a host.<br><br>I guess what Mandriva website is tis way. <br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par� <i>&lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page<br>Para: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:17<br><br><div id="yiv313630338">
+
+  
+
+    
+  Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr� Machado a �crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">When you go to
+              <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a>, you go to the project website, but
+              when you type <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</a> you go to a page
+              entitled "Welcome to zarb.org". This occurs mainly when
+              leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be
+              fixed because can cause confusion.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre><fieldset class="yiv313630338mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    You also get strange results if you type in <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://www.mageia.nl">http://www.mageia.nl</a>,
+    <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</a>; <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.nl">https://www.mageia.nl</a> and finally <a rel="nofollow" class="yiv313630338moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</a>
+    . Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the mageia.nl owner
+    announced the site offered a link to the official mageia.org site.
+    Some of these lead to the zarb.org site.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  
+</div><br>-----Anexo incorporado-----<br><br><div class="plainMail">_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+Oh, very cool!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 gejo <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+I made a logo for Mageia:<br>
+<a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+Is there any contest or something else?<br>
+<br>
+I accept any constructive comments ;-)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+Oh, very cool!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 gejo <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+I made a logo for Mageia:<br>
+<a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+Is there any contest or something else?<br>
+<br>
+I accept any constructive comments ;-)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called "Xavante"<br><br>Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the distro was not ahead.<br><br>Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians what are part of Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operatting system.<br></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called "Xavante"<br><br>Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the distro was not ahead.<br><br>Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians what are part of Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operatting system.<br></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+As soon we&#39;ll have a kind of infrastructure and making the distribution<br>
+will start we&#39;ll need a way to distribute it.<br>
+So to be ready as soon as possible I start here a discuss about the<br>
+mirror management and will make some suggestion.<br>
+<br>
+Nothing is done at time, so feel free to comment.<br>
+<br>
+1) The mirror content:<br>
+- distribution<br>
+  - devel one<br>
+  - stable one<br>
+<br>
+is there enything else (patch, our own applications as source,<br>
+documentation as flat html file) ?<br>
+<br>
+We also have to define the rules making a mirror valid and avoid<br>
+differences between them.<br>
+<br>
+2) The logical mirroring process<br>
+<br>
+The proposal is to have a safe and access limited rsync server<br>
+containing the tree (<a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a> ?). Mirroring from this one can<br>
+only be done after being authorized by our team.<br>
+<br>
+At second level, rsync&#39;d from this safe server some referenced servers<br>
+open to the world for all other mirrors (distrib-coffee could be one of<br>
+them). The manager of these servers must be reachable, then we need to<br>
+know them.<br>
+<br>
+So at the end all others mirrors from where everyone can fetch the<br>
+distribution, and anyone could freely setup a such mirror.<br>
+<br>
+3) Listing mirrors<br>
+<br>
+I do think registering mirrors could be done by anyone, once the mirror<br>
+is availlable.<br>
+<br>
+So i suggest to have a web application to allow mirror registration.<br>
+After submission a post process could verify the URL validity and if<br>
+everything is ok the new mirror would appear in official list.<br>
+<br>
+The main point of this idea is to not force mirrors admin to registering<br>
+on any bug tracker or anything else.<br>
+<br>
+The second goal of such application is of course to monitor them and<br>
+alert when they are down or out of sync.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to comment. I&#39;ll be carrefully reading this thread !<br>
+<br>
+Regards.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Olivier Thauvin<br>
+CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br>Idk if this is of any interest to you guys, but at Unity Linux we have a devel server central to everything that syncs with ibiblio thru a series of scripts. Then we have ~20 other sites that rsync with ibiblio on a regular basis. Ibiblio is a great mirror to use b/c by default there are already several other sites mirroring it.<br>
+<br>Then we have a mirror monitoring system that reports the status of the mirrors.<br><a href="http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html">http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html</a><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+As soon we&#39;ll have a kind of infrastructure and making the distribution<br>
+will start we&#39;ll need a way to distribute it.<br>
+So to be ready as soon as possible I start here a discuss about the<br>
+mirror management and will make some suggestion.<br>
+<br>
+Nothing is done at time, so feel free to comment.<br>
+<br>
+1) The mirror content:<br>
+- distribution<br>
+  - devel one<br>
+  - stable one<br>
+<br>
+is there enything else (patch, our own applications as source,<br>
+documentation as flat html file) ?<br>
+<br>
+We also have to define the rules making a mirror valid and avoid<br>
+differences between them.<br>
+<br>
+2) The logical mirroring process<br>
+<br>
+The proposal is to have a safe and access limited rsync server<br>
+containing the tree (<a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a> ?). Mirroring from this one can<br>
+only be done after being authorized by our team.<br>
+<br>
+At second level, rsync&#39;d from this safe server some referenced servers<br>
+open to the world for all other mirrors (distrib-coffee could be one of<br>
+them). The manager of these servers must be reachable, then we need to<br>
+know them.<br>
+<br>
+So at the end all others mirrors from where everyone can fetch the<br>
+distribution, and anyone could freely setup a such mirror.<br>
+<br>
+3) Listing mirrors<br>
+<br>
+I do think registering mirrors could be done by anyone, once the mirror<br>
+is availlable.<br>
+<br>
+So i suggest to have a web application to allow mirror registration.<br>
+After submission a post process could verify the URL validity and if<br>
+everything is ok the new mirror would appear in official list.<br>
+<br>
+The main point of this idea is to not force mirrors admin to registering<br>
+on any bug tracker or anything else.<br>
+<br>
+The second goal of such application is of course to monitor them and<br>
+alert when they are down or out of sync.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to comment. I&#39;ll be carrefully reading this thread !<br>
+<br>
+Regards.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Olivier Thauvin<br>
+CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br>Idk if this is of any interest to you guys, but at Unity Linux we have a devel server central to everything that syncs with ibiblio thru a series of scripts. Then we have ~20 other sites that rsync with ibiblio on a regular basis. Ibiblio is a great mirror to use b/c by default there are already several other sites mirroring it.<br>
+<br>Then we have a mirror monitoring system that reports the status of the mirrors.<br><a href="http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html">http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html</a><br><br>
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+<p>I fully agree. Usability has to triumph over ideology. Adhering to the FSF guidelines will needlessly shackle the distro into ideological issues. Something we can do without. </p>
+<p>Maybe we need to come out with a charter, manifesto of some sorts that defines the target of the distro. I have noticed many questioning the existence of Mageia...considering the plethora of options available...like Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian etc. Fedora has the the bleeding edge, Ubuntu has the refined and polished look while Debian has its ideological purity of DFSG.� </p>
+
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 19-Sep-2010 8:46 AM, &quot;Jeremiah Summers&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jmiahman@gmail.com">jmiahman@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><p><font color="#500050">&gt; &gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<a href="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com">pravi.a@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,<br>&gt;...</font></p><div><br>Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes to usability. Let&#39;s look at it from a community stand point and not some hippies agenda. Thanks.<br>
+
+</div></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></p>
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+<p>I fully agree. Usability has to triumph over ideology. Adhering to the FSF guidelines will needlessly shackle the distro into ideological issues. Something we can do without. </p>
+<p>Maybe we need to come out with a charter, manifesto of some sorts that defines the target of the distro. I have noticed many questioning the existence of Mageia...considering the plethora of options available...like Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian etc. Fedora has the the bleeding edge, Ubuntu has the refined and polished look while Debian has its ideological purity of DFSG.� </p>
+
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 19-Sep-2010 8:46 AM, &quot;Jeremiah Summers&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jmiahman@gmail.com">jmiahman@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><p><font color="#500050">&gt; &gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<a href="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com">pravi.a@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,<br>&gt;...</font></p><div><br>Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes to usability. Let&#39;s look at it from a community stand point and not some hippies agenda. Thanks.<br>
+
+</div></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></p>
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+<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">On Sep 19, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Matthew Dawkins &lt;<a href="mailto:mattydaw@gmail.com">mattydaw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org"><a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+As soon we'll have a kind of infrastructure and making the distribution<br>
+will start we'll need a way to distribute it.<br>
+So to be ready as soon as possible I start here a discuss about the<br>
+mirror management and will make some suggestion.<br>
+<br>
+Nothing is done at time, so feel free to comment.<br>
+<br>
+1) The mirror content:<br>
+- distribution<br>
+ &nbsp;- devel one<br>
+ &nbsp;- stable one<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0023A3"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#005001"><br></font></font></font></blockquote></div>Idk if this is of any interest to you guys, but at Unity Linux we have a devel server central to everything that syncs with ibiblio thru a series of scripts. Then we have ~20 other sites that rsync with ibiblio on a regular basis. Ibiblio is a great mirror to use b/c by default there are already several other sites mirroring it.<br>
+<br>Then we have a mirror monitoring system that reports the status of the mirrors.<br><a href="http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html"><a href="http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html">http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html</a></a><br></div></blockquote><br><div>+1 to ibiblio.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone have a contact with ibiblio?</div><div><br></div><div>I used to know some guys in there, a few years ago. I still have a shell account in there. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>So if we have no current contacts, I can try to find someone at ibiblio.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Salut,</div><div>Sinner</div></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">On Sep 19, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Matthew Dawkins &lt;<a href="mailto:mattydaw@gmail.com">mattydaw@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org"><a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a></a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+As soon we'll have a kind of infrastructure and making the distribution<br>
+will start we'll need a way to distribute it.<br>
+So to be ready as soon as possible I start here a discuss about the<br>
+mirror management and will make some suggestion.<br>
+<br>
+Nothing is done at time, so feel free to comment.<br>
+<br>
+1) The mirror content:<br>
+- distribution<br>
+ &nbsp;- devel one<br>
+ &nbsp;- stable one<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0023A3"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#005001"><br></font></font></font></blockquote></div>Idk if this is of any interest to you guys, but at Unity Linux we have a devel server central to everything that syncs with ibiblio thru a series of scripts. Then we have ~20 other sites that rsync with ibiblio on a regular basis. Ibiblio is a great mirror to use b/c by default there are already several other sites mirroring it.<br>
+<br>Then we have a mirror monitoring system that reports the status of the mirrors.<br><a href="http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html"><a href="http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html">http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html</a></a><br></div></blockquote><br><div>+1 to ibiblio.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone have a contact with ibiblio?</div><div><br></div><div>I used to know some guys in there, a few years ago. I still have a shell account in there. &nbsp;&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>So if we have no current contacts, I can try to find someone at ibiblio.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Salut,</div><div>Sinner</div></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Dino Edwards <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dino.edwards@mydirectmail.net">dino.edwards@mydirectmail.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
+
+<div>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">I have some resources (albeit limited) that I�m
+willing to offer to get this going. I have some ESX servers hosted in a
+datacenter. I can offer free hosting and space so you can deploy servers you
+may need for this project. They are not monster machines but I think they can
+be useful.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your proposal ! we are working on a more general plan to collect all necessary ressources</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">I can also offer to write how-to�s and guides in
+English and maybe Greek (got to brush up on my Greek), general IT support and
+advice on strategy and management and implementation of various projects.</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Great, we will need you :) Stay tuned we will start soon to give more information to organize contributions</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">Dino Edwards (deeztek)</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">+00-1-443-203-9415</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+</div>
+
+</div>
+
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Dino Edwards <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dino.edwards@mydirectmail.net">dino.edwards@mydirectmail.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
+
+<div>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">I have some resources (albeit limited) that I�m
+willing to offer to get this going. I have some ESX servers hosted in a
+datacenter. I can offer free hosting and space so you can deploy servers you
+may need for this project. They are not monster machines but I think they can
+be useful.</p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks for your proposal ! we are working on a more general plan to collect all necessary ressources</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">I can also offer to write how-to�s and guides in
+English and maybe Greek (got to brush up on my Greek), general IT support and
+advice on strategy and management and implementation of various projects.</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Great, we will need you :) Stay tuned we will start soon to give more information to organize contributions</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">Dino Edwards (deeztek)</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">+00-1-443-203-9415</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+</div>
+
+</div>
+
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-tap-highlight-color: rgba(26, 26, 26, 0.296875); -webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.230469); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.230469); ">On Sep 19, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Filipe Saraiva &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><br></div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!<div>Beautiful concept for website.</div><div><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png"><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</a></a><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Most excellent *original* artwork!!!<div><br></div><div>Salut,</div><div>Sinner<br><br><div><br></div></div></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
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+    Le 19/09/2010 22:53, Anne nicolas a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=PwOjSLCqNPvkKBKf8_qnoDOGdGyEUKrkz9t6d@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span
+          dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> <font face="Liberation
+              Sans">Hello everyone!<br>
+              <br>
+              As I have been among the few who were in the networkless
+              countryside, as well as with a ten month old little boy, I
+              am just reconnecting to numeric reality, including more
+              than 272 mails in my Box. <br>
+              <br>
+              That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there
+              have been fantastic submissions and proposals for our
+              brand new logo. <br>
+              <br>
+              I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform
+              for such a contest. We need a dedicated website. <br>
+              I think one day we will need a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="http://mageia-art.org" target="_blank">mageia-art.org</a>
+              website, but I am not sure it will be available soon to
+              us, our project still has no structure. So I think we need
+              to do just like Anne has done for the wallpaper contests :
+              open a flickr account to help centralizing all the logo
+              submissions and allow comments for each of them to make
+              them better and finally decide in a more convenient place.
+              <br>
+              <br>
+              I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with
+              flickr, but I am not. So if someone has the time, I think
+              it would be really helpfull &nbsp;to open a dedicated and clear
+              flickr page to submit all the suggested logos, and to
+              place a link both in the mailing lists, IRC and website. <br>
+            </font></div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>As a suggestion, why not use flickr account to upload logo
+          proposals ?</div>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">&nbsp;<font face="Liberation
+            Sans"><br>
+            <br>
+            Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+          </font> </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      ----------
+      <div>Anne</div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    This is exactly what I suggested. <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>
+        :-) </span></span><br>
+  </body>
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+    Le 19/09/2010 22:53, Anne nicolas a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=PwOjSLCqNPvkKBKf8_qnoDOGdGyEUKrkz9t6d@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span
+          dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> <font face="Liberation
+              Sans">Hello everyone!<br>
+              <br>
+              As I have been among the few who were in the networkless
+              countryside, as well as with a ten month old little boy, I
+              am just reconnecting to numeric reality, including more
+              than 272 mails in my Box. <br>
+              <br>
+              That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there
+              have been fantastic submissions and proposals for our
+              brand new logo. <br>
+              <br>
+              I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform
+              for such a contest. We need a dedicated website. <br>
+              I think one day we will need a <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="http://mageia-art.org" target="_blank">mageia-art.org</a>
+              website, but I am not sure it will be available soon to
+              us, our project still has no structure. So I think we need
+              to do just like Anne has done for the wallpaper contests :
+              open a flickr account to help centralizing all the logo
+              submissions and allow comments for each of them to make
+              them better and finally decide in a more convenient place.
+              <br>
+              <br>
+              I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with
+              flickr, but I am not. So if someone has the time, I think
+              it would be really helpfull &nbsp;to open a dedicated and clear
+              flickr page to submit all the suggested logos, and to
+              place a link both in the mailing lists, IRC and website. <br>
+            </font></div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>As a suggestion, why not use flickr account to upload logo
+          proposals ?</div>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">&nbsp;<font face="Liberation
+            Sans"><br>
+            <br>
+            Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+          </font> </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      ----------
+      <div>Anne</div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    This is exactly what I suggested. <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>
+        :-) </span></span><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+just a quick test<br>
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+<div>i hope so too !<br></div><div>... soon at <a href="http://mageia-gr.org">mageia-gr.org</a></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/18 SinnerBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite">
+<div><div>Hi !</div><div>You can find the greek translation here:<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</a></div>
+<div><br></div>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div></div></blockquote><br><div>Hope the new name gets a big support from <span>Hellenic Penguins :-)</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Salut,</span></div><div><span>Sinner</span></div>
+</div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br><br>
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+<div>i hope so too !<br></div><div>... soon at <a href="http://mageia-gr.org">mageia-gr.org</a></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/18 SinnerBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite">
+<div><div>Hi !</div><div>You can find the greek translation here:<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</a></div>
+<div><br></div>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div></div></blockquote><br><div>Hope the new name gets a big support from <span>Hellenic Penguins :-)</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>Salut,</span></div><div><span>Sinner</span></div>
+</div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br><br>
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+In <a href="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</a> we have a little repository for mandriva.<br><br>One important point was games <br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/i586/</a><br>
+<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/noarch/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/noarch/</a><br><br>Performous, RigsofRods, Frogatto, gkaraoke, naev,zaz and more<br><br>Like packager I am very interested <span dir="ltr" id=":2jp">in bringing games.<br>
+<br>All packages of our repository </span> <span dir="ltr" id=":2jp">will be part of</span> mageia repositories<br><span dir="ltr" id=":2jp"><br>Cheers<br></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 13:19:11, vous avez �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op zondag 19 september 2010 04:20:21 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 02:55:47, Maarten Vanraes a �crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello all,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; my important points are:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* community (as a whole) gets a say about important points =&gt; some kind<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �of<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; system that makes this work without slowing us down. (multivoting of<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; board members? every candidate could set up their viewpoints and people<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; could register for voting and vote one or more members)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* funding(?) -&gt; costs + hw<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* hyping! PR!<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* upgradable from mdv<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* policies!<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; � � * diff between mdv<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; � � * policy on gaming packages?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; � � * patented software? (PLF?)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; � � * free/non-free<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* CAN we make a stable release BEFORE christmas (a 2011.0)? i think we<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �can!<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I agree that most questions here are important. Can I ask what you mean by<br>
+&gt; &gt; &quot;policy on gaming packages&quot; ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Regards<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Samuel<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is a personal pov for myself. do we have enough diskspace to package<br>
+&gt; games as well? should we do some kind of special packaging policy for content<br>
+&gt; packages? etc... in the past with mdv there has been concerns about big<br>
+&gt; packages and the required disk space, etc... in my pov games are an important<br>
+&gt; element of the targeted public.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>My packaging work being mainly focused on games, I cannot disagree :)<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+In <a href="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</a> we have a little repository for mandriva.<br><br>One important point was games <br><br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/i586/</a><br>
+<br><a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/noarch/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/noarch/</a><br><br>Performous, RigsofRods, Frogatto, gkaraoke, naev,zaz and more<br><br>Like packager I am very interested <span dir="ltr" id=":2jp">in bringing games.<br>
+<br>All packages of our repository </span> <span dir="ltr" id=":2jp">will be part of</span> mageia repositories<br><span dir="ltr" id=":2jp"><br>Cheers<br></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 13:19:11, vous avez �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op zondag 19 september 2010 04:20:21 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 02:55:47, Maarten Vanraes a �crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello all,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; my important points are:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* community (as a whole) gets a say about important points =&gt; some kind<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �of<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; system that makes this work without slowing us down. (multivoting of<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; board members? every candidate could set up their viewpoints and people<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; could register for voting and vote one or more members)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* funding(?) -&gt; costs + hw<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* hyping! PR!<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* upgradable from mdv<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* policies!<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; � � * diff between mdv<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; � � * policy on gaming packages?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; � � * patented software? (PLF?)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; � � * free/non-free<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �* CAN we make a stable release BEFORE christmas (a 2011.0)? i think we<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; �can!<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I agree that most questions here are important. Can I ask what you mean by<br>
+&gt; &gt; &quot;policy on gaming packages&quot; ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Regards<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Samuel<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This is a personal pov for myself. do we have enough diskspace to package<br>
+&gt; games as well? should we do some kind of special packaging policy for content<br>
+&gt; packages? etc... in the past with mdv there has been concerns about big<br>
+&gt; packages and the required disk space, etc... in my pov games are an important<br>
+&gt; element of the targeted public.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>My packaging work being mainly focused on games, I cannot disagree :)<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title=""></span><span title="">In my opinion, we should opt for usability. </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Unfortunately, we can not even use a software free proprietary drivers. </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">My computer, for example, has a video card that is supported only by Mandriva and Opensuse because still do not have free drivers for her.<br>
+
+<br><br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Jeremiah Summers <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jmiahman@gmail.com">jmiahman@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>
+&gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<a href="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com" target="_blank">pravi.a@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our<br>
+&gt;&gt; distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved<br>
+&gt;&gt; distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro<br>
+&gt;&gt; (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close<br>
+&gt;&gt; already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from<br>
+&gt;&gt; the kernel.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Here is the FSF guidelines<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Can we commit to these guidelines?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt;&gt; Praveen<br></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes to usability. Let&#39;s look at it from a community stand point and not some hippies agenda. Thanks.<br>
+
+
+</div></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Aracele Torres<br><a href="http://cibermundi.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://cibermundi.wordpress.com</a><br><br><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title=""></span><span title="">In my opinion, we should opt for usability. </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Unfortunately, we can not even use a software free proprietary drivers. </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">My computer, for example, has a video card that is supported only by Mandriva and Opensuse because still do not have free drivers for her.<br>
+
+<br><br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Jeremiah Summers <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jmiahman@gmail.com">jmiahman@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>
+&gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<a href="mailto:pravi.a@gmail.com" target="_blank">pravi.a@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our<br>
+&gt;&gt; distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved<br>
+&gt;&gt; distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro<br>
+&gt;&gt; (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close<br>
+&gt;&gt; already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from<br>
+&gt;&gt; the kernel.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Here is the FSF guidelines<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Can we commit to these guidelines?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt;&gt; Praveen<br></div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes to usability. Let&#39;s look at it from a community stand point and not some hippies agenda. Thanks.<br>
+
+
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+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Aracele Torres<br><a href="http://cibermundi.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://cibermundi.wordpress.com</a><br><br><br>
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+nosXw<br><br>Great!!!<br><br><br>Cheers<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 nosXw <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mail.nosxw@gmail.com">mail.nosxw@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a> user, GualaDrake:<br>
+<a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+<a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
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+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+nosXw<br><br>Great!!!<br><br><br>Cheers<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 nosXw <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mail.nosxw@gmail.com">mail.nosxw@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a> user, GualaDrake:<br>
+<a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+<a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br>try arch linux and you will see that it is stable, so if we just do the same with a small nomber of software that will make less work for each new stable version.<br>
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+<br>try arch linux and you will see that it is stable, so if we just do the same with a small nomber of software that will make less work for each new stable version.<br>
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+I like the second most, has more 3d in it, and the lightning bolts are so dynamic.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a><br>
+</div>This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn&#39;t just<br>
+some variation of the Mandriva star...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+I like the second most, has more 3d in it, and the lightning bolts are so dynamic.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a><br>
+</div>This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn&#39;t just<br>
+some variation of the Mandriva star...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Yep<br><br>Great idea,  <span dir="ltr" id=":2eq">I thought two days ago, </span><span dir="ltr" id=":2eq">but with the nerves I forgot<br><br><br>+++1<br></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Harijs Buss <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:harijs@gmail.com">harijs@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi there! :)<br>
+<br>
+It might be good to invite Ga�l Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to<br>
+Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference<br>
+betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Just to remember history, few links:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder" target="_blank">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</a><br>
+Mandriva Linux fires its founder<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</a><br>
+Ga�l Duval<br>
+<br>
+Harijs (AKA hbush)<br>
+Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
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+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Yep<br><br>Great idea,  <span dir="ltr" id=":2eq">I thought two days ago, </span><span dir="ltr" id=":2eq">but with the nerves I forgot<br><br><br>+++1<br></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Harijs Buss <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:harijs@gmail.com">harijs@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi there! :)<br>
+<br>
+It might be good to invite Ga�l Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to<br>
+Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference<br>
+betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Just to remember history, few links:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder" target="_blank">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</a><br>
+Mandriva Linux fires its founder<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</a><br>
+Ga�l Duval<br>
+<br>
+Harijs (AKA hbush)<br>
+Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+I had been thinking about some sort of magic circle-based design, like with a penguin footprint or something. If we make the potential occultness as moot as possible, that&#39;d be okay. I can&#39;t think of any other magic symbols already trademarked by a third-party Linux vendor. :X<div>
+<br></div><div>Shawn<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:19 AM, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Yeah, you should stick a fork into it.;-)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div>
+</div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com" target="_blank">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div>&gt; Oh, very cool!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/19 gejo &lt;<a href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com" target="_blank">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I made a logo for Mageia:<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Is there any contest or something else?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, the image looks cool and I do not have a constructive comment.<br>
+But to me this is a very strong reminder of Mandrakelinux.<br>
+<div><div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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+I had been thinking about some sort of magic circle-based design, like with a penguin footprint or something. If we make the potential occultness as moot as possible, that&#39;d be okay. I can&#39;t think of any other magic symbols already trademarked by a third-party Linux vendor. :X<div>
+<br></div><div>Shawn<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:19 AM, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Yeah, you should stick a fork into it.;-)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div>
+</div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com" target="_blank">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div>&gt; Oh, very cool!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/19 gejo &lt;<a href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com" target="_blank">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I made a logo for Mageia:<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Is there any contest or something else?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, the image looks cool and I do not have a constructive comment.<br>
+But to me this is a very strong reminder of Mandrakelinux.<br>
+<div><div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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+Hello,<br><br>My names is Aracele. I&#39;m brazilian and Mandriva user since 2007. I feel very sad with the news about Mandriva, it&#39;s my favorite distribuition. But, I&#39;m very happy with the criation of the Mageia. <span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">A distribution made by the community is the best way not to become hostage of big business.</span></span> <span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">I&#39;m willing to help with the translation part and more as I can.</span></span> ;)<br>
+
+<br>Cheers.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+On Saturday, September 18, 2010 03:48:35 pm Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that&#39;s almost 10 years ago!)<br>
+&gt; then mandriva.<br>
+&gt; I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I hope I<br>
+&gt; will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first, and<br>
+&gt; maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I&#39;ve made some packages for my<br>
+&gt; own use).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and<br>
+&gt; installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers<br>
+I will certainly maintain the the packages I already do in Mandriva, more if I<br>
+can<br>
+I hope we&#39;ll stay with SVN as it the integration into the KDE desktop makes it<br>
+easy for users.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Aracele Torres<br><a href="http://cibermundi.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://cibermundi.wordpress.com</a><br><br><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>My names is Aracele. I&#39;m brazilian and Mandriva user since 2007. I feel very sad with the news about Mandriva, it&#39;s my favorite distribuition. But, I&#39;m very happy with the criation of the Mageia. <span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">A distribution made by the community is the best way not to become hostage of big business.</span></span> <span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">I&#39;m willing to help with the translation part and more as I can.</span></span> ;)<br>
+
+<br>Cheers.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+On Saturday, September 18, 2010 03:48:35 pm Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hello<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that&#39;s almost 10 years ago!)<br>
+&gt; then mandriva.<br>
+&gt; I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I hope I<br>
+&gt; will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first, and<br>
+&gt; maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I&#39;ve made some packages for my<br>
+&gt; own use).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and<br>
+&gt; installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers<br>
+I will certainly maintain the the packages I already do in Mandriva, more if I<br>
+can<br>
+I hope we&#39;ll stay with SVN as it the integration into the KDE desktop makes it<br>
+easy for users.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Aracele Torres<br><a href="http://cibermundi.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://cibermundi.wordpress.com</a><br><br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey,<br>
+      <br>
+      cooker was that rolling release for Mandriva. I'm sure there will
+      be something like that for Mageia too.<br>
+    </font>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="92">--
+Sander
+</pre>
+    <br>
+    19.09.2010 22:41, HacKurx kirjutas:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinD1wo7QFKGuCsqEZaRFSaMftE=G89e_EB9d=70@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span
+          style="" title="">First of all excuse me for my English.<br>
+          <br>
+        </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style=""
+          title="">I am one who thinks that rolling release
+          distributions sounds the future. </span><span
+          style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Why?<br>
+          Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and
+          benefits from recent versions of software.<br>
+          <br>
+        </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style=""
+          title="">Now on libraries, xorg etc.... </span><span
+          style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">it may
+          very well release a new version for inclusion.<br>
+        </span><span style="" title="">So imagine every six months a new
+          version but in the meantime the software most used to
+          constantly updated in a repository (this is equivalent to
+          ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).<br>
+          <br>
+        </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style=""
+          title="">So I think it would be nice to create a repository
+          "rolling release" containing software </span></span><span
+        id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">commonly used
+          example: firefox, vlc, liferea, thunderbird, mplayer.<br>
+          <br>
+        </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span
+          style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0,
+          0);" title="">As you will not break the system because no
+          library, xorg etc. will be updated.<br>
+          <br>
+          +1 </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span
+          style="" title="">repository "rolling release" </span></span><span
+        id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">commonly
+          used for software (vlc, smplayer etc ...)</span></span>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey,<br>
+      <br>
+      cooker was that rolling release for Mandriva. I'm sure there will
+      be something like that for Mageia too.<br>
+    </font>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="92">--
+Sander
+</pre>
+    <br>
+    19.09.2010 22:41, HacKurx kirjutas:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinD1wo7QFKGuCsqEZaRFSaMftE=G89e_EB9d=70@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span
+          style="" title="">First of all excuse me for my English.<br>
+          <br>
+        </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style=""
+          title="">I am one who thinks that rolling release
+          distributions sounds the future. </span><span
+          style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Why?<br>
+          Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and
+          benefits from recent versions of software.<br>
+          <br>
+        </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style=""
+          title="">Now on libraries, xorg etc.... </span><span
+          style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">it may
+          very well release a new version for inclusion.<br>
+        </span><span style="" title="">So imagine every six months a new
+          version but in the meantime the software most used to
+          constantly updated in a repository (this is equivalent to
+          ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).<br>
+          <br>
+        </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style=""
+          title="">So I think it would be nice to create a repository
+          "rolling release" containing software </span></span><span
+        id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">commonly used
+          example: firefox, vlc, liferea, thunderbird, mplayer.<br>
+          <br>
+        </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span
+          style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0,
+          0);" title="">As you will not break the system because no
+          library, xorg etc. will be updated.<br>
+          <br>
+          +1 </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span
+          style="" title="">repository "rolling release" </span></span><span
+        id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">commonly
+          used for software (vlc, smplayer etc ...)</span></span>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<h1>You 404�d it. Gnarly, dude.</h1>
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+<h1>You 404�d it. Gnarly, dude.</h1>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:350574.46894.qm@web113011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">When you go to
+              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a>, you go to the project website, but
+              when you type <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</a> you go to a page
+              entitled "Welcome to zarb.org". This occurs mainly when
+              leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be
+              fixed because can cause confusion.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    You also get strange results if you type in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.nl">http://www.mageia.nl</a>,
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.nl">https://www.mageia.nl</a> and finally <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</a>
+    . Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the mageia.nl owner
+    announced the site offered a link to the official mageia.org site.
+    Some of these lead to the zarb.org site.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:350574.46894.qm@web113011.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">When you go to
+              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a>, you go to the project website, but
+              when you type <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</a> you go to a page
+              entitled "Welcome to zarb.org". This occurs mainly when
+              leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be
+              fixed because can cause confusion.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    You also get strange results if you type in <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.nl">http://www.mageia.nl</a>,
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.nl">https://www.mageia.nl</a> and finally <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</a>
+    . Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the mageia.nl owner
+    announced the site offered a link to the official mageia.org site.
+    Some of these lead to the zarb.org site.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hi there<br clear="all">�<br><div>First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just incredible :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro, forums, web sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to be able to start with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of different place will make it difficult to maintain. So it&#39;s not�we don&#39;t want help or so, we are just taking some time to start properly and in a clean way so we can have all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can goes on as we saw some discussion on logos, design...</div>
+<div><br></div><div>btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to start with servers and hosting.</div><div><br></div><div>Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)</div><div><br>
+----------<div>Anne</div><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<br clear="all">�<br><div>First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just incredible :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro, forums, web sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to be able to start with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of different place will make it difficult to maintain. So it&#39;s not�we don&#39;t want help or so, we are just taking some time to start properly and in a clean way so we can have all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can goes on as we saw some discussion on logos, design...</div>
+<div><br></div><div>btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to start with servers and hosting.</div><div><br></div><div>Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)</div><div><br>
+----------<div>Anne</div><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">I hope that these issues can be solved when distro have your own datacenter or dedicated server. Btw, this is CRITICAL for now!<br>
+<br></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This will be solved indeed. For now many thanks to plf team who is managing hosting for mageia</div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">At the future, once solved the issue about edu,<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> or <a href="http://mageia.org/edu" target="_blank">mageia.org/edu</a>, maybe centralize all worldwide sites in only one place, with domains just pointing to your right page.<br>
+<br>Suggestions and examples:<br><br>If <a href="http://edu.mageia.org" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org</a> be addopted, we can create something like <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt-br" target="_blank">www.mageia.org/pt-br</a> for Brazil Portuguese website version and <a href="http://edu.mageia.org/pt-br" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org/pt-br</a> would be the <a href="http://edu.mageia.org" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org</a> portuguese version of that page. Thus, <a href="http://www.mageia.com.br" target="_blank">www.mageia.com.br</a> would points to mageia,org/edu.<br>
+<br>�If we <span><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)" title="">would convince</span></span> all worldwide site maintaners to do it, the whole thing would be more organized and economical, because
+ they wouldn&#39;t pay for a host.<br><br>I guess what Mandriva website is tis way. <br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par� <i>&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com" target="_blank">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>De: Marc Par� &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com" target="_blank">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page<br>
+Para: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:17<div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<br><br><div>
+
+  
+
+    
+  Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr� Machado a �crit�:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font:inherit" valign="top">When you go to
+              <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>, you go to the project website, but
+              when you type <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/</a> you go to a page
+              entitled &quot;Welcome to <a href="http://zarb.org" target="_blank">zarb.org</a>&quot;. This occurs mainly when
+              leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be
+              fixed because can cause confusion.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      �
+      <pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    You also get strange results if you type in <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mageia.nl" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.nl</a>,
+    <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mageia.nl" target="_blank">http://mageia.nl</a>; <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.mageia.nl" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.nl</a> and finally <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mageia.nl" target="_blank">http://mageia.nl</a>
+    . Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the <a href="http://mageia.nl" target="_blank">mageia.nl</a> owner
+    announced the site offered a link to the official <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> site.
+    Some of these lead to the <a href="http://zarb.org" target="_blank">zarb.org</a> site.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  
+</div><br></div></div>-----Anexo incorporado-----<div class="im"><br><br><div>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a href="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+      �<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">I hope that these issues can be solved when distro have your own datacenter or dedicated server. Btw, this is CRITICAL for now!<br>
+<br></td></tr></tbody></table></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This will be solved indeed. For now many thanks to plf team who is managing hosting for mageia</div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">At the future, once solved the issue about edu,<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> or <a href="http://mageia.org/edu" target="_blank">mageia.org/edu</a>, maybe centralize all worldwide sites in only one place, with domains just pointing to your right page.<br>
+<br>Suggestions and examples:<br><br>If <a href="http://edu.mageia.org" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org</a> be addopted, we can create something like <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt-br" target="_blank">www.mageia.org/pt-br</a> for Brazil Portuguese website version and <a href="http://edu.mageia.org/pt-br" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org/pt-br</a> would be the <a href="http://edu.mageia.org" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org</a> portuguese version of that page. Thus, <a href="http://www.mageia.com.br" target="_blank">www.mageia.com.br</a> would points to mageia,org/edu.<br>
+<br>�If we <span><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)" title="">would convince</span></span> all worldwide site maintaners to do it, the whole thing would be more organized and economical, because
+ they wouldn&#39;t pay for a host.<br><br>I guess what Mandriva website is tis way. <br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par� <i>&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com" target="_blank">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><br>De: Marc Par� &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com" target="_blank">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page<br>
+Para: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:17<div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<br><br><div>
+
+  
+
+    
+  Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr� Machado a �crit�:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font:inherit" valign="top">When you go to
+              <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>, you go to the project website, but
+              when you type <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/</a> you go to a page
+              entitled &quot;Welcome to <a href="http://zarb.org" target="_blank">zarb.org</a>&quot;. This occurs mainly when
+              leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be
+              fixed because can cause confusion.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      �
+      <pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    You also get strange results if you type in <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.mageia.nl" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.nl</a>,
+    <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mageia.nl" target="_blank">http://mageia.nl</a>; <a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.mageia.nl" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.nl</a> and finally <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mageia.nl" target="_blank">http://mageia.nl</a>
+    . Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the <a href="http://mageia.nl" target="_blank">mageia.nl</a> owner
+    announced the site offered a link to the official <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> site.
+    Some of these lead to the <a href="http://zarb.org" target="_blank">zarb.org</a> site.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  
+</div><br></div></div>-----Anexo incorporado-----<div class="im"><br><br><div>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a href="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+      �<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!<div>Beautiful concept for website.</div><div><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</a><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 VARVOU Jean Michel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeanmichel.varvou@gmail.com">jeanmichel.varvou@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a �crit�:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+      <div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to
+        give an inspiration</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div><a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg" target="_blank">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in
+        stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+      <br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+      </div></div><pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div class="im"><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    The first picture is magic !! I like this.<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!<div>Beautiful concept for website.</div><div><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</a><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 VARVOU Jean Michel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeanmichel.varvou@gmail.com">jeanmichel.varvou@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a �crit�:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+      <div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to
+        give an inspiration</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div><a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg" target="_blank">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in
+        stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+      <br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+      </div></div><pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div class="im"><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    The first picture is magic !! I like this.<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Will donations also be used to keep the former Edge-IT team focused on<br>
+Mageia?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s not fixed for now. We have to speak about this. But it can be an option.</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+ � � � �Daniel<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Will donations also be used to keep the former Edge-IT team focused on<br>
+Mageia?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s not fixed for now. We have to speak about this. But it can be an option.</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br>
+ � � � �Daniel<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">We will not break the system by updating VLC ^ ^<br>Then the updates are not feeling Immediately. passing-through a phase of testing.</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title=""></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title=""></span></span>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">We will not break the system by updating VLC ^ ^<br>Then the updates are not feeling Immediately. passing-through a phase of testing.</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title=""></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title=""></span></span>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello everyone!<br>
+      <br>
+      As I have been among the few who were in the networkless
+      countryside, as well as with a ten month old little boy, I am just
+      reconnecting to numeric reality, including more than 272 mails in
+      my Box. <br>
+      <br>
+      That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there have been
+      fantastic submissions and proposals for our brand new logo. <br>
+      <br>
+      I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform for such
+      a contest. We need a dedicated website. <br>
+      I think one day we will need a mageia-art.org website, but I am
+      not sure it will be available soon to us, our project still has no
+      structure. So I think we need to do just like Anne has done for
+      the wallpaper contests : open a flickr account to help
+      centralizing all the logo submissions and allow comments for each
+      of them to make them better and finally decide in a more
+      convenient place. <br>
+      <br>
+      I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with flickr, but
+      I am not. So if someone has the time, I think it would be really
+      helpfull to open a dedicated and clear flickr page to submit all
+      the suggested logos, and to place a link both in the mailing
+      lists, IRC and website. <br>
+      <br>
+      Cheers, <br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello everyone!<br>
+      <br>
+      As I have been among the few who were in the networkless
+      countryside, as well as with a ten month old little boy, I am just
+      reconnecting to numeric reality, including more than 272 mails in
+      my Box. <br>
+      <br>
+      That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there have been
+      fantastic submissions and proposals for our brand new logo. <br>
+      <br>
+      I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform for such
+      a contest. We need a dedicated website. <br>
+      I think one day we will need a mageia-art.org website, but I am
+      not sure it will be available soon to us, our project still has no
+      structure. So I think we need to do just like Anne has done for
+      the wallpaper contests : open a flickr account to help
+      centralizing all the logo submissions and allow comments for each
+      of them to make them better and finally decide in a more
+      convenient place. <br>
+      <br>
+      I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with flickr, but
+      I am not. So if someone has the time, I think it would be really
+      helpfull to open a dedicated and clear flickr page to submit all
+      the suggested logos, and to place a link both in the mailing
+      lists, IRC and website. <br>
+      <br>
+      Cheers, <br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">OMG!! It's a great mockup! :O</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><br /></font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Thanks Nuno ;)<br /><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Nuno Pinheiro</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 18:56</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">wanted to present my idea, somthing fastly made today  http://i0.simplest-image- hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png   well the idea is very simple and revolves around the fonts, and its outline  so for exmaple in a educational stand point would be somthing like the  colorfull version on the banner  on a buisness like presentation a gray solid color  on a desktop version plain blue etc etc...  please cc me :) --  oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100919/75803c54/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100919/75803c54/attachment.html
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">OMG!! It's a great mockup! :O</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><br /></font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Thanks Nuno ;)<br /><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Nuno Pinheiro</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 18:56</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">wanted to present my idea, somthing fastly made today  http://i0.simplest-image- hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png   well the idea is very simple and revolves around the fonts, and its outline  so for exmaple in a educational stand point would be somthing like the  colorfull version on the banner  on a buisness like presentation a gray solid color  on a desktop version plain blue etc etc...  please cc me :) --  oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">People,<br><br>Now that the distro is starting, it's easier to define the course of the project. We have to make sure we're doing the right thing.<br><br>Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely discussed: support for the Stallman's group could be very advantageous, but would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all source code should be available.<br><br>But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to install your kernel linux-libre .<br><br>Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux
+ kernel maintained by the FSF Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few distros that offer it.<br><br>I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media, where the user can install a system with it by typing something like "install = libre" or something similar at boot time of this media. Of course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.<br><br>For more information, see: http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">People,<br><br>Now that the distro is starting, it's easier to define the course of the project. We have to make sure we're doing the right thing.<br><br>Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely discussed: support for the Stallman's group could be very advantageous, but would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all source code should be available.<br><br>But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to install your kernel linux-libre .<br><br>Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux
+ kernel maintained by the FSF Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few distros that offer it.<br><br>I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media, where the user can install a system with it by typing something like "install = libre" or something similar at boot time of this media. Of course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.<br><br>For more information, see: http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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+    Le 2010-09-19 17:54, vfmBOFH a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikN7nf+g32nEYxu0L1YmcJ2J_-E8+OFd1_TzSnm@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span
+          dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Le 19/09/2010 23:40,
+            André Machado a écrit :
+            <blockquote type="cite">
+              <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+                <tbody>
+                  <tr>
+                    <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+                      <div class="im">I suggest what 1st Mageia version
+                        be called "Xavante"<br>
+                        <br>
+                        Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When
+                        Brazilian distro Conectiva was sold to Mandrake
+                        to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some
+                        Conectiva users tried to create a fork called
+                        Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+                        distro was not ahead.<br>
+                        <br>
+                      </div>
+                      Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this
+                      codename was adopted and would recognize the
+                      Brazilians as part of Mandriva operatting system
+                      and, now, from Mageia operating system.<br>
+                    </td>
+                  </tr>
+                </tbody>
+              </table>
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            <br>
+            I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+            symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even
+            for people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante
+            will not mean anything for people from outside, that's why a
+            much more powerful name would be better to have a great
+            meaning (and why not link it to the artwork? Well, that'll
+            be to determine in the future). <br>
+            <br>
+            Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the
+            pre-releases of the first stable release for Mageia could be
+            really nice. <br>
+          </div>
+          <br>
+          _______________________________________________<br>
+          Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss"
+            target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <div>My two cents:</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>We could use "Lazarus", giving a response to all people ou'
+        there was speaking the "death" of Mandriva and it's community.</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Cheers</div>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I think this would be an extremely kind gesture in recognition of
+    the Brazilian contribution of the Conectiva code as well as a
+    partner in the growth and popularity of Mandriva. Not to mention
+    that Brazil does have a population of 200 million people. <br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    Le 2010-09-19 17:54, vfmBOFH a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikN7nf+g32nEYxu0L1YmcJ2J_-E8+OFd1_TzSnm@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span
+          dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Le 19/09/2010 23:40,
+            André Machado a écrit :
+            <blockquote type="cite">
+              <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+                <tbody>
+                  <tr>
+                    <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+                      <div class="im">I suggest what 1st Mageia version
+                        be called "Xavante"<br>
+                        <br>
+                        Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When
+                        Brazilian distro Conectiva was sold to Mandrake
+                        to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some
+                        Conectiva users tried to create a fork called
+                        Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+                        distro was not ahead.<br>
+                        <br>
+                      </div>
+                      Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this
+                      codename was adopted and would recognize the
+                      Brazilians as part of Mandriva operatting system
+                      and, now, from Mageia operating system.<br>
+                    </td>
+                  </tr>
+                </tbody>
+              </table>
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            <br>
+            I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+            symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even
+            for people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante
+            will not mean anything for people from outside, that's why a
+            much more powerful name would be better to have a great
+            meaning (and why not link it to the artwork? Well, that'll
+            be to determine in the future). <br>
+            <br>
+            Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the
+            pre-releases of the first stable release for Mageia could be
+            really nice. <br>
+          </div>
+          <br>
+          _______________________________________________<br>
+          Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss"
+            target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <div>My two cents:</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>We could use "Lazarus", giving a response to all people ou'
+        there was speaking the "death" of Mandriva and it's community.</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Cheers</div>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I think this would be an extremely kind gesture in recognition of
+    the Brazilian contribution of the Conectiva code as well as a
+    partner in the growth and popularity of Mandriva. Not to mention
+    that Brazil does have a population of 200 million people. <br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+I like the concept very much!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br></div><div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an inspiration</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+
+<div><a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg" target="_blank">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+I like the concept very much!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br></div><div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an inspiration</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+
+<div><a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg" target="_blank">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>With so much interest in a new project, I&#39;m sure there will be<br>
+plenty of people willing to donate some start-up money, but can you<br>
+also please set up a system for monthly donations? It&#39;s difficult<br>
+for any organisation to plan ongoing activities without having some<br>
+idea of ongoing funding.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s a good idea indeed. We will dig in it.�</div><div>Cheers</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Margot<br>
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>
+**Otford Ducks Computers**<br>
+We teach, you learn...<br>
+...and, if you don&#39;t do your homework, we set the cat on you!<br>
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>With so much interest in a new project, I&#39;m sure there will be<br>
+plenty of people willing to donate some start-up money, but can you<br>
+also please set up a system for monthly donations? It&#39;s difficult<br>
+for any organisation to plan ongoing activities without having some<br>
+idea of ongoing funding.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s a good idea indeed. We will dig in it.�</div><div>Cheers</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Margot<br>
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>
+**Otford Ducks Computers**<br>
+We teach, you learn...<br>
+...and, if you don&#39;t do your homework, we set the cat on you!<br>
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Rolling releases are fine to users, but many sys admins wouldn't use it on a server, by example.<br><br>If,on the one hand, a rolling-release distro would be more economical and easy to mantain for development team, think that neither all user have high speed connections to download the whole system updated at installation time or update packages day to day.<br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Maarten Vanraes <i>&lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: Maarten Vanraes &lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia<br>Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 17:37<br><br><div class="plainMail">Op zondag 19 september 2010 21:50:07 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>&gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre
+ 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a �crit :<br>&gt; &gt; First of all excuse me for my English.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future.<br>&gt; &gt; Why?<br>&gt; &gt; Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits<br>&gt; &gt; from recent versions of software.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for<br>&gt; &gt; inclusion.<br>&gt; &gt; So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the<br>&gt; &gt; software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is<br>&gt; &gt; equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; So I think it would be nice to create a repository "rolling release"<br>&gt; &gt; containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,<br>&gt; &gt; thunderbird, mplayer.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; As you will not break the
+ system because no library, xorg etc. will be<br>&gt; &gt; updated.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; +1 repository "rolling release" commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer<br>&gt; &gt; etc ...)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia will,<br>&gt; like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and enterprise<br>&gt; use. So I really hope each version will be stable, maintained and<br>&gt; thoroughly tested. I'm not sure that a rolling release permits that.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Regards<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Samuel<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; <a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss"
+ target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br><br>+1<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Rolling releases are fine to users, but many sys admins wouldn't use it on a server, by example.<br><br>If,on the one hand, a rolling-release distro would be more economical and easy to mantain for development team, think that neither all user have high speed connections to download the whole system updated at installation time or update packages day to day.<br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Maarten Vanraes <i>&lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: Maarten Vanraes &lt;maarten.vanraes@gmail.com&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia<br>Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 17:37<br><br><div class="plainMail">Op zondag 19 september 2010 21:50:07 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>&gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre
+ 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a �crit :<br>&gt; &gt; First of all excuse me for my English.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future.<br>&gt; &gt; Why?<br>&gt; &gt; Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits<br>&gt; &gt; from recent versions of software.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for<br>&gt; &gt; inclusion.<br>&gt; &gt; So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the<br>&gt; &gt; software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is<br>&gt; &gt; equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; So I think it would be nice to create a repository "rolling release"<br>&gt; &gt; containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,<br>&gt; &gt; thunderbird, mplayer.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; As you will not break the
+ system because no library, xorg etc. will be<br>&gt; &gt; updated.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; +1 repository "rolling release" commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer<br>&gt; &gt; etc ...)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia will,<br>&gt; like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and enterprise<br>&gt; use. So I really hope each version will be stable, maintained and<br>&gt; thoroughly tested. I'm not sure that a rolling release permits that.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Regards<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Samuel<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; <a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss"
+ target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br><br>+1<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr� Machado a �crit�:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><div class="im">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+              <pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala�n
+
+I guess that <a href="http://edu.mageia.org" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org</a> is better...
+
+</pre>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      �
+      </div><pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div class="im"><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+    mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the
+    brand more easily that way. Let&#39;s make it easy for people to find
+    the distro.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br></blockquote><div><br><a href="http://xxx.mageia.org">xxx.mageia.org</a> seems better, see:<br><br><a href="http://doc.ubuntu.com/">http://doc.ubuntu.com/</a><br><a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/">https://help.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/</a><br><a href="http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/">http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/</a><br><br><a href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org">http://docs.fedoraproject.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://planet.fedoraproject.org/">http://planet.fedoraproject.org/</a><br><br><a href="http://software.opensuse.org">http://software.opensuse.org</a><br><a href="https://build.opensuse.org/">https://build.opensuse.org/</a><br>
+</div></div><br>...<br><br>Stef<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr� Machado a �crit�:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><div class="im">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+              <pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala�n
+
+I guess that <a href="http://edu.mageia.org" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org</a> is better...
+
+</pre>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      �
+      </div><pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div class="im"><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+    mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the
+    brand more easily that way. Let&#39;s make it easy for people to find
+    the distro.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br></blockquote><div><br><a href="http://xxx.mageia.org">xxx.mageia.org</a> seems better, see:<br><br><a href="http://doc.ubuntu.com/">http://doc.ubuntu.com/</a><br><a href="https://help.ubuntu.com/">https://help.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+<a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/</a><br><a href="http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/">http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/</a><br><br><a href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org">http://docs.fedoraproject.org</a><br>
+<a href="http://planet.fedoraproject.org/">http://planet.fedoraproject.org/</a><br><br><a href="http://software.opensuse.org">http://software.opensuse.org</a><br><a href="https://build.opensuse.org/">https://build.opensuse.org/</a><br>
+</div></div><br>...<br><br>Stef<br>
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+Very cool!!!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a><br>
+</div>This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn&#39;t just<br>
+some variation of the Mandriva star...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Very cool!!!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a><br>
+</div>This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn&#39;t just<br>
+some variation of the Mandriva star...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Gonzalo Igartua a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinNrcP-+Wf_tb5kY5+SsvAR3q3sm_ustod+rsJW@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">nosXw<br>
+      <br>
+      Great!!!<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Cheers<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 nosXw <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mail.nosxw@gmail.com">mail.nosxw@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          Another logo by an <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a>
+          user, GualaDrake:<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png"
+            target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg"
+            target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+          <div>
+            <div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+              Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss"
+                target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+            </div>
+          </div>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I like too. Very nice<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Gonzalo Igartua a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinNrcP-+Wf_tb5kY5+SsvAR3q3sm_ustod+rsJW@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">nosXw<br>
+      <br>
+      Great!!!<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Cheers<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 nosXw <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mail.nosxw@gmail.com">mail.nosxw@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          Another logo by an <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a>
+          user, GualaDrake:<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png"
+            target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg"
+            target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+          <div>
+            <div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+              Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss"
+                target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+            </div>
+          </div>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I like too. Very nice<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="im"><div></div><blockquote type="cite">
+<div>Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!<div>Beautiful concept for website.</div><div><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div>+1 <br></div></blockquote><div><br>Bersuit� <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+<div><br><div><br></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="im"><div></div><blockquote type="cite">
+<div>Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!<div>Beautiful concept for website.</div><div><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div>+1 <br></div></blockquote><div><br>Bersuit� <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+<div><br><div><br></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main developers/directors?<br></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main developers/directors?<br></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+I would make a logo basically between a monitor and an orb (meaning the &#39;magic&#39; of the distro and technology at the same time - the technology magic) ...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Farfouille <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr">farfouille64@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Love it !<br>
+<br>
+May I suggest you to try a more abstract version (less figurative) ? I&#39;m not sure it will render as well when reduced in the top left corner of  future Mageia gnome desktop ;)<br>
+Can&#39;t try myself, I can&#39;t draw.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks<br>
+<br>
+Le 19/09/2010 16:14, gejo a écrit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I made a logo for Mageia:<br>
+<a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+Is there any contest or something else?<br>
+<br>
+I accept any constructive comments ;-)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+I would make a logo basically between a monitor and an orb (meaning the &#39;magic&#39; of the distro and technology at the same time - the technology magic) ...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Farfouille <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr">farfouille64@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> Love it !<br>
+<br>
+May I suggest you to try a more abstract version (less figurative) ? I&#39;m not sure it will render as well when reduced in the top left corner of  future Mageia gnome desktop ;)<br>
+Can&#39;t try myself, I can&#39;t draw.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks<br>
+<br>
+Le 19/09/2010 16:14, gejo a écrit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I made a logo for Mageia:<br>
+<a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+Is there any contest or something else?<br>
+<br>
+I accept any constructive comments ;-)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 23:40, Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:656676.95150.qm@web113010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">I suggest what 1st
+              Mageia version be called "Xavante"<br>
+              <br>
+              Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+              Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the
+              late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork
+              called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+              distro was not ahead.<br>
+              <br>
+              Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename
+              was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians as part of
+              Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operating
+              system.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+    symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for
+    people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not
+    mean anything for people from outside, that's why a much more
+    powerful name would be better to have a great meaning (and why not
+    link it to the artwork? Well, that'll be to determine in the
+    future). <br>
+    <br>
+    Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of
+    the first stable release for Mageia could be really nice. <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 23:40, Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:656676.95150.qm@web113010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">I suggest what 1st
+              Mageia version be called "Xavante"<br>
+              <br>
+              Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+              Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the
+              late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork
+              called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+              distro was not ahead.<br>
+              <br>
+              Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename
+              was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians as part of
+              Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operating
+              system.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+    symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for
+    people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not
+    mean anything for people from outside, that's why a much more
+    powerful name would be better to have a great meaning (and why not
+    link it to the artwork? Well, that'll be to determine in the
+    future). <br>
+    <br>
+    Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of
+    the first stable release for Mageia could be really nice. <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
+
+<head>
+<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
+<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">
+<style>
+<!--
+ /* Font Definitions */
+ @font-face
+	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
+	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
+@font-face
+	{font-family:Calibri;
+	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
+ /* Style Definitions */
+ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
+	{margin:0in;
+	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
+	font-size:11.0pt;
+	font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";}
+a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
+	{mso-style-priority:99;
+	color:blue;
+	text-decoration:underline;}
+a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
+	{mso-style-priority:99;
+	color:purple;
+	text-decoration:underline;}
+span.EmailStyle17
+	{mso-style-type:personal-compose;
+	font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
+	color:windowtext;}
+.MsoChpDefault
+	{mso-style-type:export-only;}
+@page Section1
+	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
+	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
+div.Section1
+	{page:Section1;}
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+</style>
+<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
+ <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
+</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
+ <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
+  <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
+ </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
+</head>
+
+<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple>
+
+<div class=Section1>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>I have some resources (albeit limited) that I&#8217;m
+willing to offer to get this going. I have some ESX servers hosted in a
+datacenter. I can offer free hosting and space so you can deploy servers you
+may need for this project. They are not monster machines but I think they can
+be useful. <o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>I can also offer to write how-to&#8217;s and guides in
+English and maybe Greek (got to brush up on my Greek), general IT support and
+advice on strategy and management and implementation of various projects.<o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>Dino Edwards (deeztek)<o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>+00-1-443-203-9415<o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+</div>
+
+</body>
+
+</html>
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+<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
+
+<head>
+<meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
+<meta name=Generator content="Microsoft Word 12 (filtered medium)">
+<style>
+<!--
+ /* Font Definitions */
+ @font-face
+	{font-family:"Cambria Math";
+	panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
+@font-face
+	{font-family:Calibri;
+	panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
+ /* Style Definitions */
+ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
+	{margin:0in;
+	margin-bottom:.0001pt;
+	font-size:11.0pt;
+	font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";}
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+	{mso-style-priority:99;
+	color:blue;
+	text-decoration:underline;}
+a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
+	{mso-style-priority:99;
+	color:purple;
+	text-decoration:underline;}
+span.EmailStyle17
+	{mso-style-type:personal-compose;
+	font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
+	color:windowtext;}
+.MsoChpDefault
+	{mso-style-type:export-only;}
+@page Section1
+	{size:8.5in 11.0in;
+	margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;}
+div.Section1
+	{page:Section1;}
+-->
+</style>
+<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
+ <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
+</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
+ <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
+  <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
+ </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
+</head>
+
+<body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple>
+
+<div class=Section1>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>I have some resources (albeit limited) that I&#8217;m
+willing to offer to get this going. I have some ESX servers hosted in a
+datacenter. I can offer free hosting and space so you can deploy servers you
+may need for this project. They are not monster machines but I think they can
+be useful. <o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>I can also offer to write how-to&#8217;s and guides in
+English and maybe Greek (got to brush up on my Greek), general IT support and
+advice on strategy and management and implementation of various projects.<o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>Dino Edwards (deeztek)<o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal>+00-1-443-203-9415<o:p></o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+<p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
+
+</div>
+
+</body>
+
+</html>
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+Got a 404!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Nuno Pinheiro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nuno@oxygen-icons.org">nuno@oxygen-icons.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example<br>
+usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a<br>
+container of anything<br>
+<a href="http://i0.simplest-image-" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-</a><br>
+<a href="http://hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png" target="_blank">hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png</a><br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+please cc me :)<br>
+--<br>
+oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Got a 404!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Nuno Pinheiro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nuno@oxygen-icons.org">nuno@oxygen-icons.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example<br>
+usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a<br>
+container of anything<br>
+<a href="http://i0.simplest-image-" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-</a><br>
+<a href="http://hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png" target="_blank">hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png</a><br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+please cc me :)<br>
+--<br>
+oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100919/9603a541/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100919/9603a541/attachment-0001.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">As I am also following this fork, I
+      would also like to offer my help. <br>
+      <br>
+      I have quite a lot of experience on MediaWiki (for having worked a
+      lot on the Mandriva wiki). Perhaps I will be able to work there.
+      But I would like ot help anywhere I can be useful. <br>
+      <br>
+      If possible, please also add me to the list : <br>
+      <br>
+    </font>
+    <ul>
+      <li>Thomas Lottmann (Skiper) - French Users community</li>
+    </ul>
+    <br>
+    Cheers,<br>
+    <br>
+    Thomas.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">As I am also following this fork, I
+      would also like to offer my help. <br>
+      <br>
+      I have quite a lot of experience on MediaWiki (for having worked a
+      lot on the Mandriva wiki). Perhaps I will be able to work there.
+      But I would like ot help anywhere I can be useful. <br>
+      <br>
+      If possible, please also add me to the list : <br>
+      <br>
+    </font>
+    <ul>
+      <li>Thomas Lottmann (Skiper) - French Users community</li>
+    </ul>
+    <br>
+    Cheers,<br>
+    <br>
+    Thomas.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala�n<br><br>I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...<br><br></pre></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala�n<br><br>I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...<br><br></pre></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+Hello,<br><br>Thank you for the initiative Mageia, I hope that this new distribution will be of type rolling release.<br>Or if it is not the case, make a deposit up to date for the applications lighthouse as vlc, firefox etc....<br>
+It will attract a great deal of user and will mark down you 700 existing distributions.<br>Kind regards,<br><br>HacKurx<br>
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+Hello,<br><br>Thank you for the initiative Mageia, I hope that this new distribution will be of type rolling release.<br>Or if it is not the case, make a deposit up to date for the applications lighthouse as vlc, firefox etc....<br>
+It will attract a great deal of user and will mark down you 700 existing distributions.<br>Kind regards,<br><br>HacKurx<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">I use
+        Mandriva for many years. </span><span style="background-color:
+        rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">I will be happy to lend my support
+        to the project. <br>
+      </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span
+        style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">I can
+        test and report bugs, writing in a wiki, animate a forum,
+        participate in the work of communication. </span><span style=""
+        title="">But all this primarily in French.</span></span><br>
+    <span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">I
+        will be interested to train me to packaging</span></span> if I
+    find a tutor.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">I use
+        Mandriva for many years. </span><span style="background-color:
+        rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">I will be happy to lend my support
+        to the project. <br>
+      </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span
+        style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">I can
+        test and report bugs, writing in a wiki, animate a forum,
+        participate in the work of communication. </span><span style=""
+        title="">But all this primarily in French.</span></span><br>
+    <span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">I
+        will be interested to train me to packaging</span></span> if I
+    find a tutor.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">It would be good to give this to the user. I agree with her.</span></span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 19 de setembro de 2010 17:50, Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">People,<br><br>Now that the distro is starting, it&#39;s easier to define the course of the project. We have to make sure we&#39;re doing the right thing.<br>
+<br>Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely discussed: support for the Stallman&#39;s group could be very advantageous, but would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all source code should be available.<br>
+<br>But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to install your kernel linux-libre .<br>
+<br>Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux
+ kernel maintained by the FSF Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few distros that offer it.<br><br>I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media, where the user can install a system with it by typing something like &quot;install = libre&quot; or something similar at boot time of this media. Of course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.<br>
+<br>For more information, see: <a href="http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/" target="_blank">http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</a></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+      �<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">It would be good to give this to the user. I agree with her.</span></span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 19 de setembro de 2010 17:50, Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">People,<br><br>Now that the distro is starting, it&#39;s easier to define the course of the project. We have to make sure we&#39;re doing the right thing.<br>
+<br>Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely discussed: support for the Stallman&#39;s group could be very advantageous, but would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all source code should be available.<br>
+<br>But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to install your kernel linux-libre .<br>
+<br>Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux
+ kernel maintained by the FSF Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few distros that offer it.<br><br>I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media, where the user can install a system with it by typing something like &quot;install = libre&quot; or something similar at boot time of this media. Of course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.<br>
+<br>For more information, see: <a href="http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/" target="_blank">http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</a></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+      �<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a><br>
+</div>This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn&#39;t just<br>
+some variation of the Mandriva star...</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I like it too�</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a><br>
+</div>This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn&#39;t just<br>
+some variation of the Mandriva star...</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I like it too�</div></div>
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+I could never made by myself a graphic with this quality<br><div>i&#39;m sorry if you thought that but as i said i am not good to make graphics, i only wanted to give an inspiration about the magic crystal as theme.<br></div>
+<div><br></div><div>I&#39;d like to add as text in the graphics this which we see in the irc:</div><div>&quot;...the magic continues !&quot;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!<div>Beautiful concept for website.</div><div><div class="im"><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</a><br>
+
+<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 VARVOU Jean Michel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeanmichel.varvou@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeanmichel.varvou@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :
+    <blockquote type="cite"><div><div>
+      <div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to
+        give an inspiration</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div><a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg" target="_blank">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in
+        stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+      <br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+      </div></div><pre>_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>    </blockquote>
+    The first picture is magic !! I like this.<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br clear="all"><div class="im"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+<br>Associação Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piauí - PSL-PI<br><br>“Você deve ser a mudança que deseja ver no mundo.” - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+I could never made by myself a graphic with this quality<br><div>i&#39;m sorry if you thought that but as i said i am not good to make graphics, i only wanted to give an inspiration about the magic crystal as theme.<br></div>
+<div><br></div><div>I&#39;d like to add as text in the graphics this which we see in the irc:</div><div>&quot;...the magic continues !&quot;</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!<div>Beautiful concept for website.</div><div><div class="im"><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</a><br>
+
+<br></div><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 VARVOU Jean Michel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeanmichel.varvou@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeanmichel.varvou@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :
+    <blockquote type="cite"><div><div>
+      <div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to
+        give an inspiration</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div><a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg" target="_blank">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in
+        stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+      <br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+      </div></div><pre>_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>    </blockquote>
+    The first picture is magic !! I like this.<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br clear="all"><div class="im"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+<br>Associação Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piauí - PSL-PI<br><br>“Você deve ser a mudança que deseja ver no mundo.” - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Well, I like the font.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Better a minimalist design to fit more modern and professional? A flat and smooth color, for example.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >;)</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Malcer </p><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Tux99</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 17:23</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: Mageia general discussions</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote:  &gt; This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think? &gt;  &gt; http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png  &gt;  &gt; We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro. &gt;  &gt; Any ideas without repeating concepts? &gt;  &gt; Greetings;)  The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to  be svg (vector graphics) to be usable.  _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Well, I like the font.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Better a minimalist design to fit more modern and professional? A flat and smooth color, for example.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >;)</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Malcer </p><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Tux99</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 17:23</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: Mageia general discussions</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote:  &gt; This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think? &gt;  &gt; http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png  &gt;  &gt; We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro. &gt;  &gt; Any ideas without repeating concepts? &gt;  &gt; Greetings;)  The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to  be svg (vector graphics) to be usable.  _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+Not my choice, sorry.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Alaa Elian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alaaelian@gmail.com">alaaelian@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+What about a logo of a magic wand. I use the following link just as a demo<br>
+<a href="http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg</a><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Not my choice, sorry.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Alaa Elian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alaaelian@gmail.com">alaaelian@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+What about a logo of a magic wand. I use the following link just as a demo<br>
+<a href="http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg</a><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hopefully a paypal button will appear on the mageia site soon :)<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Anne nicolas" &lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;<br>To: "mageia-discuss" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:53:10 AM<br>Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure<br><br>Hi there<br clear="all">&nbsp;<br><div>First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just incredible :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro, forums, web sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to be able to start with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of different place will make it difficult to maintain. So it's not&nbsp;we don't want help or so, we are just taking some time to start properly and in a clean way so we can have all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can goes on as we saw some discussion on logos, design...</div>
+<div><br></div><div>btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to start with servers and hosting.</div><div><br></div><div>Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)</div><div><br>
+----------<div>Anne</div><br>
+</div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br></div></body></html>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hopefully a paypal button will appear on the mageia site soon :)<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Anne nicolas" &lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;<br>To: "mageia-discuss" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:53:10 AM<br>Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure<br><br>Hi there<br clear="all">&nbsp;<br><div>First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just incredible :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro, forums, web sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to be able to start with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of different place will make it difficult to maintain. So it's not&nbsp;we don't want help or so, we are just taking some time to start properly and in a clean way so we can have all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can goes on as we saw some discussion on logos, design...</div>
+<div><br></div><div>btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to start with servers and hosting.</div><div><br></div><div>Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)</div><div><br>
+----------<div>Anne</div><br>
+</div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br></div></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">My suggestion is made that a technical study of tools and a decision consensus among those who will be responsible for installation and service maintenance.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">For example, the technical report of infrastructure for KDE using git is a very good job done by the team of sysadmins.�</span><span title="">It&#39;s technical and exposes why that decision was made.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Follow the link for those interested - can to be very useful as an example to be followed.</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br>
+</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">It&#39;s a ODT archive:</span></font></div><div><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "></span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-scm-interest&amp;m=127612957219466&amp;q=p3">http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-scm-interest&amp;m=127612957219466&amp;q=p3</a></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Cheers,</span></font></div>
+<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Lirodon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:superfox436@gmail.com">superfox436@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Okay, here&#39;s some of my comparisons in my opinion:<div><br></div><div>WordPress</div><div>-Good at content</div><div>-Primarily�intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS too.</div><div>-Rather popular</div>
+
+<div>-Open source</div><div>-Good functionality without addons</div><div>-Easy to use administration interface</div><div>-Some advanced functions depend on theme coding</div><div><br></div><div>Drupal</div><div>-Good at organizing content and communities</div>
+
+<div>-Has no clear intended use.</div><div>-Rather popular</div><div>-Open source</div><div>-Requires a large number of modules to be useful.</div><div>-A little harder to administrate, but rather powerful.</div><div><br>
+
+</div><div>TextPattern</div><div>-Very light, yet rather powerful</div><div><div>-Primarily�intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS too.</div></div><div>-Nice article system</div><div>-Open source</div>
+
+<div>-Admin UI is a little plain and takes some getting used to, but it works nicely.</div><div><br></div><div>Joomla</div><div>-Rather popular</div><div>-Open source</div><div>-Complete junk in my mind. Avoid at all costs.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Shawn</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Filipe Saraiva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com" target="_blank">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><span title="">Guys and girls, just decided, and who want to help do your part.�</span><span title="" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">Will certainly have people who prefer Wordpress or Drupal, but is not going to discuss it forever.�</span><span title="">List the advantages and disadvantages of each and picks the one that best meets our needs.</span></span><br>
+
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Lirodon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:superfox436@gmail.com" target="_blank">superfox436@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div>
+Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS&#39;s on the IRC channel, I thought I&#39;d bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot; manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light. So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?<div>
+
+
+
+<br></div><div>Shawn</div>
+<br></div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
+</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">My suggestion is made that a technical study of tools and a decision consensus among those who will be responsible for installation and service maintenance.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">For example, the technical report of infrastructure for KDE using git is a very good job done by the team of sysadmins.�</span><span title="">It&#39;s technical and exposes why that decision was made.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Follow the link for those interested - can to be very useful as an example to be followed.</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "><br>
+</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">It&#39;s a ODT archive:</span></font></div><div><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); "></span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><a href="http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-scm-interest&amp;m=127612957219466&amp;q=p3">http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-scm-interest&amp;m=127612957219466&amp;q=p3</a></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Cheers,</span></font></div>
+<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Lirodon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:superfox436@gmail.com">superfox436@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Okay, here&#39;s some of my comparisons in my opinion:<div><br></div><div>WordPress</div><div>-Good at content</div><div>-Primarily�intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS too.</div><div>-Rather popular</div>
+
+<div>-Open source</div><div>-Good functionality without addons</div><div>-Easy to use administration interface</div><div>-Some advanced functions depend on theme coding</div><div><br></div><div>Drupal</div><div>-Good at organizing content and communities</div>
+
+<div>-Has no clear intended use.</div><div>-Rather popular</div><div>-Open source</div><div>-Requires a large number of modules to be useful.</div><div>-A little harder to administrate, but rather powerful.</div><div><br>
+
+</div><div>TextPattern</div><div>-Very light, yet rather powerful</div><div><div>-Primarily�intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS too.</div></div><div>-Nice article system</div><div>-Open source</div>
+
+<div>-Admin UI is a little plain and takes some getting used to, but it works nicely.</div><div><br></div><div>Joomla</div><div>-Rather popular</div><div>-Open source</div><div>-Complete junk in my mind. Avoid at all costs.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Shawn</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Filipe Saraiva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com" target="_blank">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><span title="">Guys and girls, just decided, and who want to help do your part.�</span><span title="" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">Will certainly have people who prefer Wordpress or Drupal, but is not going to discuss it forever.�</span><span title="">List the advantages and disadvantages of each and picks the one that best meets our needs.</span></span><br>
+
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Lirodon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:superfox436@gmail.com" target="_blank">superfox436@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div>
+Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS&#39;s on the IRC channel, I thought I&#39;d bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot; manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light. So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?<div>
+
+
+
+<br></div><div>Shawn</div>
+<br></div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
+</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+Okay, here&#39;s some of my comparisons in my opinion:<div><br></div><div>WordPress</div><div>-Good at content</div><div>-Primarily�intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS too.</div><div>-Rather popular</div>
+<div>-Open source</div><div>-Good functionality without addons</div><div>-Easy to use administration interface</div><div>-Some advanced functions depend on theme coding</div><div><br></div><div>Drupal</div><div>-Good at organizing content and communities</div>
+<div>-Has no clear intended use.</div><div>-Rather popular</div><div>-Open source</div><div>-Requires a large number of modules to be useful.</div><div>-A little harder to administrate, but rather powerful.</div><div><br>
+</div><div>TextPattern</div><div>-Very light, yet rather powerful</div><div><div>-Primarily�intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS too.</div></div><div>-Nice article system</div><div>-Open source</div>
+<div>-Admin UI is a little plain and takes some getting used to, but it works nicely.</div><div><br></div><div>Joomla</div><div>-Rather popular</div><div>-Open source</div><div>-Complete junk in my mind. Avoid at all costs.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Shawn</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Filipe Saraiva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><span title="">Guys and girls, just decided, and who want to help do your part.�</span><span title="" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">Will certainly have people who prefer Wordpress or Drupal, but is not going to discuss it forever.�</span><span title="">List the advantages and disadvantages of each and picks the one that best meets our needs.</span></span><br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Lirodon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:superfox436@gmail.com" target="_blank">superfox436@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS&#39;s on the IRC channel, I thought I&#39;d bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot; manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light. So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?<div>
+
+
+<br></div><div>Shawn</div>
+<br></div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Okay, here&#39;s some of my comparisons in my opinion:<div><br></div><div>WordPress</div><div>-Good at content</div><div>-Primarily�intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS too.</div><div>-Rather popular</div>
+<div>-Open source</div><div>-Good functionality without addons</div><div>-Easy to use administration interface</div><div>-Some advanced functions depend on theme coding</div><div><br></div><div>Drupal</div><div>-Good at organizing content and communities</div>
+<div>-Has no clear intended use.</div><div>-Rather popular</div><div>-Open source</div><div>-Requires a large number of modules to be useful.</div><div>-A little harder to administrate, but rather powerful.</div><div><br>
+</div><div>TextPattern</div><div>-Very light, yet rather powerful</div><div><div>-Primarily�intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS too.</div></div><div>-Nice article system</div><div>-Open source</div>
+<div>-Admin UI is a little plain and takes some getting used to, but it works nicely.</div><div><br></div><div>Joomla</div><div>-Rather popular</div><div>-Open source</div><div>-Complete junk in my mind. Avoid at all costs.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Shawn</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Filipe Saraiva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><span style="font-family:arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><span title="">Guys and girls, just decided, and who want to help do your part.�</span><span title="" style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">Will certainly have people who prefer Wordpress or Drupal, but is not going to discuss it forever.�</span><span title="">List the advantages and disadvantages of each and picks the one that best meets our needs.</span></span><br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Lirodon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:superfox436@gmail.com" target="_blank">superfox436@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS&#39;s on the IRC channel, I thought I&#39;d bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot; manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light. So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?<div>
+
+
+<br></div><div>Shawn</div>
+<br></div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+&gt; Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a> user, GualaDrake:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even childish, I would<br>
+say.<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>+1<br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+&gt; Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a> user, GualaDrake:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even childish, I would<br>
+say.<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>+1<br></div>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">There is a Free Pascal IDE similar to classic Delphi named Lazarus.<br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, vfmBOFH <i>&lt;vfmbofh@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: vfmBOFH &lt;vfmbofh@gmail.com&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion<br>Para: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:54<br><br><div id="yiv281285994"><br><br><div class="yiv281285994gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="yiv281285994gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+ padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div>
+    Le 19/09/2010 23:40, Andr� Machado a �crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top"><div class="yiv281285994im">I suggest what 1st
+              Mageia version be called "Xavante"<br>
+              <br>
+              Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+              Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the
+              late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork
+              called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+              distro was not ahead.<br>
+              <br></div>
+              Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename
+              was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians as part of
+              Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operating
+              system.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+    symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for
+    people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not
+    mean anything for people from outside, that's why a much more
+    powerful name would be better to have a great meaning (and why not
+    link it to the artwork? Well, that'll be to determine in the
+    future). <br>
+    <br>
+    Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of
+    the first stable release for Mageia could be really nice. <br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><div>My two cents:</div><div><br></div><div>We could use "Lazarus", giving a response to all people ou' there was speaking the "death" of Mandriva and it's community.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div>
+</div><br>-----Anexo incorporado-----<br><br><div class="plainMail">_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">There is a Free Pascal IDE similar to classic Delphi named Lazarus.<br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, vfmBOFH <i>&lt;vfmbofh@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: vfmBOFH &lt;vfmbofh@gmail.com&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion<br>Para: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:54<br><br><div id="yiv281285994"><br><br><div class="yiv281285994gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="yiv281285994gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+ padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div>
+    Le 19/09/2010 23:40, Andr� Machado a �crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top"><div class="yiv281285994im">I suggest what 1st
+              Mageia version be called "Xavante"<br>
+              <br>
+              Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+              Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the
+              late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork
+              called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+              distro was not ahead.<br>
+              <br></div>
+              Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename
+              was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians as part of
+              Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operating
+              system.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+    symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for
+    people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not
+    mean anything for people from outside, that's why a much more
+    powerful name would be better to have a great meaning (and why not
+    link it to the artwork? Well, that'll be to determine in the
+    future). <br>
+    <br>
+    Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of
+    the first stable release for Mageia could be really nice. <br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><div>My two cents:</div><div><br></div><div>We could use "Lazarus", giving a response to all people ou' there was speaking the "death" of Mandriva and it's community.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers</div>
+</div><br>-----Anexo incorporado-----<br><br><div class="plainMail">_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello everyone!<br>
+      <br>
+      As I have been among the few who were in the networkless
+      countryside, as well as with a ten month old little boy, I am just
+      reconnecting to numeric reality, including more than 272 mails in
+      my Box. <br>
+      <br>
+      That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there have been
+      fantastic submissions and proposals for our brand new logo. <br>
+      <br>
+      I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform for such
+      a contest. We need a dedicated website. <br>
+      I think one day we will need a <a href="http://mageia-art.org" target="_blank">mageia-art.org</a> website, but I am
+      not sure it will be available soon to us, our project still has no
+      structure. So I think we need to do just like Anne has done for
+      the wallpaper contests : open a flickr account to help
+      centralizing all the logo submissions and allow comments for each
+      of them to make them better and finally decide in a more
+      convenient place. <br>
+      <br>
+      I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with flickr, but
+      I am not. So if someone has the time, I think it would be really
+      helpfull �to open a dedicated and clear flickr page to submit all
+      the suggested logos, and to place a link both in the mailing
+      lists, IRC and website. <br></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As a suggestion, why not use flickr account to upload logo proposals ?</div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><font face="Liberation Sans">
+      <br>
+      Cheers, <br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+    </font>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello everyone!<br>
+      <br>
+      As I have been among the few who were in the networkless
+      countryside, as well as with a ten month old little boy, I am just
+      reconnecting to numeric reality, including more than 272 mails in
+      my Box. <br>
+      <br>
+      That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there have been
+      fantastic submissions and proposals for our brand new logo. <br>
+      <br>
+      I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform for such
+      a contest. We need a dedicated website. <br>
+      I think one day we will need a <a href="http://mageia-art.org" target="_blank">mageia-art.org</a> website, but I am
+      not sure it will be available soon to us, our project still has no
+      structure. So I think we need to do just like Anne has done for
+      the wallpaper contests : open a flickr account to help
+      centralizing all the logo submissions and allow comments for each
+      of them to make them better and finally decide in a more
+      convenient place. <br>
+      <br>
+      I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with flickr, but
+      I am not. So if someone has the time, I think it would be really
+      helpfull �to open a dedicated and clear flickr page to submit all
+      the suggested logos, and to place a link both in the mailing
+      lists, IRC and website. <br></font></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As a suggestion, why not use flickr account to upload logo proposals ?</div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><font face="Liberation Sans">
+      <br>
+      Cheers, <br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+    </font>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+Hi there!<br><br>
+I have been user of Mandriva since 9.1 and before user of SuSe (the 
+original German) and RedHat (I began on Linux with 5.0). I&#39;m not tech-savyy so I like Mandriva because of its common people orientation.<br><br>So I&#39;m thinking if it&#39;s good to build an entire distribution from scratch. Would not be better to take one distro such as Fedora and then add what we can call &quot;the common people layer&quot; (DrakTools, Flash, Java, codecs, some software ...)? So the base system build (kernel, modules, patches, libs, dependencies ...) can be avoided and resources could be heading to the added value to the common people, the same added value that made Mandriva a great distro!<br>
+<br>I&#39;m on economics and not on computer science so I can not help with this, but if some kind of advice is needed on financial, perfomance or social responsability reporting I could help :-)<br><br>All the best,<br>Jesús<br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; It might be good to invite Gaël Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference<br>
+&gt;&gt; betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just to remember history, few links:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder" target="_blank">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; Mandriva Linux fires its founder<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; Gaël Duval<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Harijs (AKA hbush)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Good idea !<br>
+&gt; I had  too but  I did not dare.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Just a quick notice as written in first announcement. We (people who<br>
+launched that project) are very careful about what we would like this<br>
+project: for sure it will not be agresssive towards Mandriva, no reason<br>
+for this and it cannot help. We think there are good things in Mandriva<br>
+Linux and some to be changed. Do it better and in a different way<br>
+implying all community :). Everything that happened in Mandriva life is<br>
+past and does not have anything to do with current starting project.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers !<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Anne<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi there!<br><br>
+I have been user of Mandriva since 9.1 and before user of SuSe (the 
+original German) and RedHat (I began on Linux with 5.0). I&#39;m not tech-savyy so I like Mandriva because of its common people orientation.<br><br>So I&#39;m thinking if it&#39;s good to build an entire distribution from scratch. Would not be better to take one distro such as Fedora and then add what we can call &quot;the common people layer&quot; (DrakTools, Flash, Java, codecs, some software ...)? So the base system build (kernel, modules, patches, libs, dependencies ...) can be avoided and resources could be heading to the added value to the common people, the same added value that made Mandriva a great distro!<br>
+<br>I&#39;m on economics and not on computer science so I can not help with this, but if some kind of advice is needed on financial, perfomance or social responsability reporting I could help :-)<br><br>All the best,<br>Jesús<br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; It might be good to invite Gaël Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference<br>
+&gt;&gt; betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just to remember history, few links:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder" target="_blank">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; Mandriva Linux fires its founder<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; Gaël Duval<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Harijs (AKA hbush)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Good idea !<br>
+&gt; I had  too but  I did not dare.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Just a quick notice as written in first announcement. We (people who<br>
+launched that project) are very careful about what we would like this<br>
+project: for sure it will not be agresssive towards Mandriva, no reason<br>
+for this and it cannot help. We think there are good things in Mandriva<br>
+Linux and some to be changed. Do it better and in a different way<br>
+implying all community :). Everything that happened in Mandriva life is<br>
+past and does not have anything to do with current starting project.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers !<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Anne<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>The url <a href="http://www.mageia-gr.org">http://www.mageia-gr.org</a> from now points to <a href="http://mandrivalinux.gr">mandrivalinux.gr</a> and will be the internet address of Mageia greek community<br clear="all">
+</div><div><br></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div>The url <a href="http://www.mageia-gr.org">http://www.mageia-gr.org</a> from now points to <a href="http://mandrivalinux.gr">mandrivalinux.gr</a> and will be the internet address of Mageia greek community<br clear="all">
+</div><div><br></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:776694.44182.qm@web113001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+              <pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala&uuml;n
+
+I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
+
+</pre>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
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+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+    mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the
+    brand more easily that way. Let's make it easy for people to find
+    the distro.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
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+    Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:776694.44182.qm@web113001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+              <pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala&uuml;n
+
+I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
+
+</pre>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
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+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+    mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the
+    brand more easily that way. Let's make it easy for people to find
+    the distro.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div>As it is very early in the life of the distro, I&#39;m 100% sure they will be reading suggestions/ideas in both the mailing list and the IRC channel. But they are more likely to be present in the IRC channel from previous experience.</div>
+
+<br clear="all">Sadiq S<br>mailto: <a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="http://www.staticsafe.me" target="_blank">www.staticsafe.me</a><br>Twitter - <a href="http://www.twitter.com/staticsafe" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/staticsafe</a><br>
+
+Facebook- <a href="http://www.facebook.com/static.safe" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/static.safe</a><br>� � � �� <br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main developers/directors?<br>
+
+</td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+      �<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>As it is very early in the life of the distro, I&#39;m 100% sure they will be reading suggestions/ideas in both the mailing list and the IRC channel. But they are more likely to be present in the IRC channel from previous experience.</div>
+
+<br clear="all">Sadiq S<br>mailto: <a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="http://www.staticsafe.me" target="_blank">www.staticsafe.me</a><br>Twitter - <a href="http://www.twitter.com/staticsafe" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/staticsafe</a><br>
+
+Facebook- <a href="http://www.facebook.com/static.safe" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/static.safe</a><br>� � � �� <br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main developers/directors?<br>
+
+</td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+      �<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br></div><div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an inspiration</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div>I imagine something with the magic crystal<br></div><div>Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an inspiration</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a></div>
+<div><a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a></div><div><br></div><div>The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu button etc</div>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Whell, then we can use something like:<br><br>www.mageia.org/edu<br>www.mageia.org/kde<br><br>and so on...<br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par� <i>&lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] domain names<br>Para: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:06<br><br><div id="yiv1533679587">
+
+  
+
+    
+  Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr� Machado a �crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+              <pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala�n
+
+I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
+
+</pre>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre><fieldset class="yiv1533679587mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1533679587moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1533679587moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+    mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the
+    brand more easily that way. Let's make it easy for people to find
+    the distro.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  
+</div><br>-----Anexo incorporado-----<br><br><div class="plainMail">_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>
+
+
+
+      &nbsp;
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Whell, then we can use something like:<br><br>www.mageia.org/edu<br>www.mageia.org/kde<br><br>and so on...<br><br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par� <i>&lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De: Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] domain names<br>Para: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:06<br><br><div id="yiv1533679587">
+
+  
+
+    
+  Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr� Machado a �crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+              <pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala�n
+
+I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
+
+</pre>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre><fieldset class="yiv1533679587mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1533679587moz-txt-link-abbreviated" ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a rel="nofollow" class="yiv1533679587moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+    mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the
+    brand more easily that way. Let's make it easy for people to find
+    the distro.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  
+</div><br>-----Anexo incorporado-----<br><br><div class="plainMail">_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></blockquote></td></tr></table><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">When you go to http://www.mageia.org, you go to the project website, but when you type https://www.mageia.org/ you go to a page entitled "Welcome to zarb.org". This occurs mainly when leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be fixed because can cause confusion.<br></td></tr></table><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">When you go to http://www.mageia.org, you go to the project website, but when you type https://www.mageia.org/ you go to a page entitled "Welcome to zarb.org". This occurs mainly when leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be fixed because can cause confusion.<br></td></tr></table><br>
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+Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS&#39;s on the IRC channel, I thought I&#39;d bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot; manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light. So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?<div>
+<br></div><div>Shawn</div>
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+Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS&#39;s on the IRC channel, I thought I&#39;d bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot; manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light. So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?<div>
+<br></div><div>Shawn</div>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Will urpmi be a part of mageia? <br>If not then perhaps Smart will be considered as the default package handler.<br>While the gui is not flashy it's powerful flexible and offers a few features that isn't available<br>in the MCC implementation.<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Anssi Hannula" &lt;anssi.hannula@iki.fi&gt;<br>To: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:03:41 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools<br><br>On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:59:28 William Bagwell wrote:<br>&gt; Hi,<br><br>Hi!<br><br>&gt; Mandriva user since Mandrake 8.0. Not the least bit ashamed to admit<br>&gt; that I administer my home box with a mixture of GUI and command line<br>&gt; tools. Have for almost eight years now... As long as Mageia plans to keep<br>&gt; the GUI tools I will help what little I can.<br><br>Yes, we will be keeping the tools. Thank you for your support :)<br><br>-- <br>Anssi Hannula<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br></div></body></html>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Will urpmi be a part of mageia? <br>If not then perhaps Smart will be considered as the default package handler.<br>While the gui is not flashy it's powerful flexible and offers a few features that isn't available<br>in the MCC implementation.<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Anssi Hannula" &lt;anssi.hannula@iki.fi&gt;<br>To: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:03:41 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools<br><br>On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:59:28 William Bagwell wrote:<br>&gt; Hi,<br><br>Hi!<br><br>&gt; Mandriva user since Mandrake 8.0. Not the least bit ashamed to admit<br>&gt; that I administer my home box with a mixture of GUI and command line<br>&gt; tools. Have for almost eight years now... As long as Mageia plans to keep<br>&gt; the GUI tools I will help what little I can.<br><br>Yes, we will be keeping the tools. Thank you for your support :)<br><br>-- <br>Anssi Hannula<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br></div></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think?</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><a href="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</a></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Any ideas without repeating concepts?</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Greetings;)</p><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Farfouille</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 16:54</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">Love it !  May I suggest you to try a more abstract version (less figurative) ? I'm  not sure it will render as well when reduced in the top left corner of   future Mageia gnome desktop ;) Can't try myself, I can't draw.  Thanks  Le 19/09/2010 16:14, gejo a écrit : &gt; I made a logo for Mageia: &gt; http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia &gt; &gt; Is there any contest or something else? &gt; &gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-) &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks. &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list &gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org &gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss &gt; &gt;   _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think?</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><a href="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</a></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro.</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Any ideas without repeating concepts?</p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><br /></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" >Greetings;)</p><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Farfouille</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 16:54</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: mageia-discuss@mageia.org</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br /><div><div><pre style="font-size:11px;">Love it !  May I suggest you to try a more abstract version (less figurative) ? I'm  not sure it will render as well when reduced in the top left corner of   future Mageia gnome desktop ;) Can't try myself, I can't draw.  Thanks  Le 19/09/2010 16:14, gejo a écrit : &gt; I made a logo for Mageia: &gt; http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia &gt; &gt; Is there any contest or something else? &gt; &gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-) &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks. &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list &gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org &gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss &gt; &gt;   _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</pre></div></div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+A lower case &#39;m&#39; too?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Malcer Quaid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-repeat: repeat; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Hi!</font></span></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2"><br></font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+I chose a font in which the &quot;g&quot; does not take prominence over the rest of the letters. I think a logo is more homogeneous.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><br></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">I thought the colors blue and black protagonists. Something a little more current, more flat and minimalist, like professional logos.</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><br></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Saludos ;)</p><br></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></p><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+<span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Farfouille</font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+<span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 17:47</font></span></p><div class="im"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a></font></span></p>
+</div><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br><div><div><pre style="font-size: 11px;">Hi Malcer,  I like the font. Maybe the tail of &#39;g&#39; should be longer. But I&#39;m not  fond of the purpleish halo which recalls me Ubuntu.    Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Tux99 a écrit : &gt; On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png" target="_blank">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</a> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Any ideas without repeating concepts? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Greetings;) &gt; The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to &gt; be svg (vector graphics) to be usable. &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list &gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a> &gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a> &gt; &gt;   _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a> <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a></pre>
+</div></div></blockquote><div class="im"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></p><br><br><div><br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p>
+</div></div></font><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></p></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+A lower case &#39;m&#39; too?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Malcer Quaid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-repeat: repeat; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Hi!</font></span></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2"><br></font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+I chose a font in which the &quot;g&quot; does not take prominence over the rest of the letters. I think a logo is more homogeneous.</p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><br></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">I thought the colors blue and black protagonists. Something a little more current, more flat and minimalist, like professional logos.</p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><br></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">Saludos ;)</p><br></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></p><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+<span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Farfouille</font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+<span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 19-09-10 17:47</font></span></p><div class="im"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a></font></span></p>
+</div><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest</font></span></p><br><div><div><pre style="font-size: 11px;">Hi Malcer,  I like the font. Maybe the tail of &#39;g&#39; should be longer. But I&#39;m not  fond of the purpleish halo which recalls me Ubuntu.    Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Tux99 a écrit : &gt; On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png" target="_blank">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</a> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Any ideas without repeating concepts? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Greetings;) &gt; The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to &gt; be svg (vector graphics) to be usable. &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list &gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a> &gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a> &gt; &gt;   _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a> <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a></pre>
+</div></div></blockquote><div class="im"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></p><br><br><div><br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p>
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+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Hello everyone<br><br></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Following the recommendation given to me in '#mageia-dev' I offer my support for this project.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">I work as a Linux systems administrator for some time. </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Also perhaps I could get some hardware and bandwidth to host services for 'mageia'.<br><br></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">If you are interested in my assistance in this area, I am at your disposal.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">Greetings</span></span><br><br><br><p> </p></td></tr></table><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Hello everyone<br><br></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Following the recommendation given to me in '#mageia-dev' I offer my support for this project.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">I work as a Linux systems administrator for some time. </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Also perhaps I could get some hardware and bandwidth to host services for 'mageia'.<br><br></span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">If you are interested in my assistance in this area, I am at your disposal.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">Greetings</span></span><br><br><br><p> </p></td></tr></table><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 22:53, Anne nicolas a �crit�:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> <font face="Liberation
+              Sans">Hello everyone!<br>
+              <br>
+              As I have been among the few who were in the networkless
+              countryside, as well as with a ten month old little boy, I
+              am just reconnecting to numeric reality, including more
+              than 272 mails in my Box. <br>
+              <br>
+              That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there
+              have been fantastic submissions and proposals for our
+              brand new logo. <br>
+              <br>
+              I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform
+              for such a contest. We need a dedicated website. <br>
+              I think one day we will need a <a href="http://mageia-art.org" target="_blank">mageia-art.org</a>
+              website, but I am not sure it will be available soon to
+              us, our project still has no structure. So I think we need
+              to do just like Anne has done for the wallpaper contests :
+              open a flickr account to help centralizing all the logo
+              submissions and allow comments for each of them to make
+              them better and finally decide in a more convenient place.
+              <br>
+              <br>
+              I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with
+              flickr, but I am not. So if someone has the time, I think
+              it would be really helpfull �to open a dedicated and clear
+              flickr page to submit all the suggested logos, and to
+              place a link both in the mailing lists, IRC and website. <br>
+            </font></div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>As a suggestion, why not use flickr account to upload logo
+          proposals ?</div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oups I need to go to sleep ;)</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        </div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">�<font face="Liberation
+            Sans"><br>
+            <br>
+            Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+          </font> </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      ----------
+      <div>Anne</div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    This is exactly what I suggested. <span><span>
+        :-) </span></span><br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 19/09/2010 22:53, Anne nicolas a �crit�:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> <font face="Liberation
+              Sans">Hello everyone!<br>
+              <br>
+              As I have been among the few who were in the networkless
+              countryside, as well as with a ten month old little boy, I
+              am just reconnecting to numeric reality, including more
+              than 272 mails in my Box. <br>
+              <br>
+              That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there
+              have been fantastic submissions and proposals for our
+              brand new logo. <br>
+              <br>
+              I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform
+              for such a contest. We need a dedicated website. <br>
+              I think one day we will need a <a href="http://mageia-art.org" target="_blank">mageia-art.org</a>
+              website, but I am not sure it will be available soon to
+              us, our project still has no structure. So I think we need
+              to do just like Anne has done for the wallpaper contests :
+              open a flickr account to help centralizing all the logo
+              submissions and allow comments for each of them to make
+              them better and finally decide in a more convenient place.
+              <br>
+              <br>
+              I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with
+              flickr, but I am not. So if someone has the time, I think
+              it would be really helpfull �to open a dedicated and clear
+              flickr page to submit all the suggested logos, and to
+              place a link both in the mailing lists, IRC and website. <br>
+            </font></div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>As a suggestion, why not use flickr account to upload logo
+          proposals ?</div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oups I need to go to sleep ;)</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        </div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">�<font face="Liberation
+            Sans"><br>
+            <br>
+            Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+          </font> </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      ----------
+      <div>Anne</div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    This is exactly what I suggested. <span><span>
+        :-) </span></span><br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>----------<div>Anne</div><br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="">Xavante is a good name, representing the tribe, the community.</span></span><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title=""></span><span title="">It is very good, and a beautiful tribute to Conectiva.</span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br>
+</span></font></div><div><span title=""></span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">+1<br></span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-19 17:54, vfmBOFH a �crit�:
+    <div><div></div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Le 19/09/2010 23:40,
+            Andr� Machado a �crit�:
+            <blockquote type="cite">
+              <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+                <tbody>
+                  <tr>
+                    <td style="font:inherit" valign="top">
+                      <div>I suggest what 1st Mageia version
+                        be called &quot;Xavante&quot;<br>
+                        <br>
+                        Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When
+                        Brazilian distro Conectiva was sold to Mandrake
+                        to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some
+                        Conectiva users tried to create a fork called
+                        Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+                        distro was not ahead.<br>
+                        <br>
+                      </div>
+                      Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this
+                      codename was adopted and would recognize the
+                      Brazilians as part of Mandriva operatting system
+                      and, now, from Mageia operating system.<br>
+                    </td>
+                  </tr>
+                </tbody>
+              </table>
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            <br>
+            I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+            symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even
+            for people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante
+            will not mean anything for people from outside, that&#39;s why a
+            much more powerful name would be better to have a great
+            meaning (and why not link it to the artwork? Well, that&#39;ll
+            be to determine in the future). <br>
+            <br>
+            Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the
+            pre-releases of the first stable release for Mageia could be
+            really nice. <br>
+          </div>
+          <br>
+          _______________________________________________<br>
+          Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+          <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+          <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <div>My two cents:</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou&#39;
+        there was speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it&#39;s community.</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Cheers</div>
+      <pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br></div></div>
+    I think this would be an extremely kind gesture in recognition of
+    the Brazilian contribution of the Conectiva code as well as a
+    partner in the growth and popularity of Mandriva. Not to mention
+    that Brazil does have a population of 200 million people. <br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="">Xavante is a good name, representing the tribe, the community.</span></span><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title=""></span><span title="">It is very good, and a beautiful tribute to Conectiva.</span></span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br>
+</span></font></div><div><span title=""></span><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">+1<br></span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-19 17:54, vfmBOFH a �crit�:
+    <div><div></div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com" target="_blank">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Le 19/09/2010 23:40,
+            Andr� Machado a �crit�:
+            <blockquote type="cite">
+              <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+                <tbody>
+                  <tr>
+                    <td style="font:inherit" valign="top">
+                      <div>I suggest what 1st Mageia version
+                        be called &quot;Xavante&quot;<br>
+                        <br>
+                        Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When
+                        Brazilian distro Conectiva was sold to Mandrake
+                        to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some
+                        Conectiva users tried to create a fork called
+                        Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+                        distro was not ahead.<br>
+                        <br>
+                      </div>
+                      Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this
+                      codename was adopted and would recognize the
+                      Brazilians as part of Mandriva operatting system
+                      and, now, from Mageia operating system.<br>
+                    </td>
+                  </tr>
+                </tbody>
+              </table>
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            <br>
+            I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+            symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even
+            for people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante
+            will not mean anything for people from outside, that&#39;s why a
+            much more powerful name would be better to have a great
+            meaning (and why not link it to the artwork? Well, that&#39;ll
+            be to determine in the future). <br>
+            <br>
+            Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the
+            pre-releases of the first stable release for Mageia could be
+            really nice. <br>
+          </div>
+          <br>
+          _______________________________________________<br>
+          Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+          <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+          <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <div>My two cents:</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou&#39;
+        there was speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it&#39;s community.</div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>Cheers</div>
+      <pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br></div></div>
+    I think this would be an extremely kind gesture in recognition of
+    the Brazilian contribution of the Conectiva code as well as a
+    partner in the growth and popularity of Mandriva. Not to mention
+    that Brazil does have a population of 200 million people. <br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+The colors remind me of google..<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Nuno Pinheiro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nuno@oxygen-icons.org">nuno@oxygen-icons.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example<br>
+usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a<br>
+container of anything<br>
+<a href="http://i0.simplest-image-" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-</a><br>
+<a href="http://hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png" target="_blank">hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png</a><br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+please cc me :)<br>
+--<br>
+oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+The colors remind me of google..<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Nuno Pinheiro <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nuno@oxygen-icons.org">nuno@oxygen-icons.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example<br>
+usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a<br>
+container of anything<br>
+<a href="http://i0.simplest-image-" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-</a><br>
+<a href="http://hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png" target="_blank">hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png</a><br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+please cc me :)<br>
+--<br>
+oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">First of all excuse me for my English.<br><br></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future. </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Why?<br>
+Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits from recent versions of software.<br><br></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">Now on libraries, xorg etc.... </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">it may very well release a new version for inclusion.<br>
+</span><span style="" title="">So
+ imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the software
+ most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is equivalent to 
+ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).<br><br></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot; containing software </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea, thunderbird, mplayer.<br>
+<br></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be updated.<br><br>+1 </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">repository &quot;rolling release&quot; </span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer etc ...)</span></span>
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+<span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">First of all excuse me for my English.<br><br></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future. </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Why?<br>
+Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits from recent versions of software.<br><br></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">Now on libraries, xorg etc.... </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">it may very well release a new version for inclusion.<br>
+</span><span style="" title="">So
+ imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the software
+ most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is equivalent to 
+ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).<br><br></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot; containing software </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea, thunderbird, mplayer.<br>
+<br></span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be updated.<br><br>+1 </span></span><span id="result_box" class=""><span style="" title="">repository &quot;rolling release&quot; </span></span><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer etc ...)</span></span>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-19 17:14, St&eacute;phane T&eacute;letch&eacute;a a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTim-Rj8Kxb8R3cPWnF3AKgmgXNXV67ntEaiwte51@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Marc Par&eacute; <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Le 2010-09-19 17:00,
+            Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+            <blockquote type="cite">
+              <div class="im">
+                <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+                  <tbody>
+                    <tr>
+                      <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+                        <pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala&uuml;n
+
+I guess that <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://edu.mageia.org" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org</a> is better...
+
+</pre>
+                      </td>
+                    </tr>
+                  </tbody>
+                </table>
+                <br>
+                &nbsp; </div>
+              <pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div class="im"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>
+            </blockquote>
+            I would suggest that website domains start as much as
+            possible with mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People
+            will remember the brand more easily that way. Let's make it
+            easy for people to find the distro.<br>
+            <br>
+            Marc<br>
+          </div>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://xxx.mageia.org">xxx.mageia.org</a>
+          seems better, see:<br>
+          <br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://doc.ubuntu.com/">http://doc.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://help.ubuntu.com/">https://help.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/">http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+          <br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org">http://docs.fedoraproject.org</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://planet.fedoraproject.org/">http://planet.fedoraproject.org/</a><br>
+          <br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://software.opensuse.org">http://software.opensuse.org</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://build.opensuse.org/">https://build.opensuse.org/</a><br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      ...<br>
+      <br>
+      Stef<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I guess the structure should be as conventional as possible. I am
+    note aware if the is a convention with site naming for
+    organizations. However, I usually favour any structure that makes it
+    absolutely as easy as possible for users to find the main site.
+    Keeping a structure with "mageia" as a prefix would accomplish that
+    and would make it simple for the initiated to the distro to find any
+    associated sites under its umbrella. Keeping it simple will bring in
+    more users.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-19 17:14, St&eacute;phane T&eacute;letch&eacute;a a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTim-Rj8Kxb8R3cPWnF3AKgmgXNXV67ntEaiwte51@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Marc Par&eacute; <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Le 2010-09-19 17:00,
+            Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+            <blockquote type="cite">
+              <div class="im">
+                <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+                  <tbody>
+                    <tr>
+                      <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">
+                        <pre>What about domain names like mageia-edu  etc. ?
+
+-- 
+A.Sala&uuml;n
+
+I guess that <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://edu.mageia.org" target="_blank">edu.mageia.org</a> is better...
+
+</pre>
+                      </td>
+                    </tr>
+                  </tbody>
+                </table>
+                <br>
+                &nbsp; </div>
+              <pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div class="im"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>
+            </blockquote>
+            I would suggest that website domains start as much as
+            possible with mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People
+            will remember the brand more easily that way. Let's make it
+            easy for people to find the distro.<br>
+            <br>
+            Marc<br>
+          </div>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://xxx.mageia.org">xxx.mageia.org</a>
+          seems better, see:<br>
+          <br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://doc.ubuntu.com/">http://doc.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://help.ubuntu.com/">https://help.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/">http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/</a><br>
+          <br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://docs.fedoraproject.org">http://docs.fedoraproject.org</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://planet.fedoraproject.org/">http://planet.fedoraproject.org/</a><br>
+          <br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://software.opensuse.org">http://software.opensuse.org</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://build.opensuse.org/">https://build.opensuse.org/</a><br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      ...<br>
+      <br>
+      Stef<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I guess the structure should be as conventional as possible. I am
+    note aware if the is a convention with site naming for
+    organizations. However, I usually favour any structure that makes it
+    absolutely as easy as possible for users to find the main site.
+    Keeping a structure with "mageia" as a prefix would accomplish that
+    and would make it simple for the initiated to the distro to find any
+    associated sites under its umbrella. Keeping it simple will bring in
+    more users.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc
+  </body>
+</html>
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+HI,<br><br>�Well not really good for me. It reminds me a French mobile company :<br><br>Here is the company :<br><a href="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/</a><br><br>�and here is their logo :<br>
+<a href="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png</a><br><br>�JC<br>�<br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/20 Yves-Ga�l Ch�ny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br>
+hurdman aka yves-gael<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+HI,<br><br>�Well not really good for me. It reminds me a French mobile company :<br><br>Here is the company :<br><a href="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/</a><br><br>�and here is their logo :<br>
+<a href="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png</a><br><br>�JC<br>�<br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/20 Yves-Ga�l Ch�ny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br>
+hurdman aka yves-gael<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Also local communities can package software just for their needs and<br>
+won&#39;t placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study<br>
+tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye<br>
+repository (MVT)<br>
+<br clear="all"></blockquote></div>Excactly, like the &#39;skai&#39; package with a program for a greek tv station that we have in the repository of the greek community (MGR)  There are some programs that target the users localy only<br>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Also local communities can package software just for their needs and<br>
+won&#39;t placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study<br>
+tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye<br>
+repository (MVT)<br>
+<br clear="all"></blockquote></div>Excactly, like the &#39;skai&#39; package with a program for a greek tv station that we have in the repository of the greek community (MGR)  There are some programs that target the users localy only<br>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div class="h5">
+<br>
+</div></div>I can&#39;t view it  :( Gives a 404 error.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png</a><br>
+<a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</a><br><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</a><br>
+<br>There are wonderfull!! <br>i always was fun of Nuno Pinheiro artwork and oxygen :)<br><br>-- <br></div></div><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div class="h5">
+<br>
+</div></div>I can&#39;t view it  :( Gives a 404 error.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png</a><br>
+<a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</a><br><a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</a><br>
+<br>There are wonderfull!! <br>i always was fun of Nuno Pinheiro artwork and oxygen :)<br><br>-- <br></div></div><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+2010/9/19 Dino Edwards <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dino.edwards@mydirectmail.net">dino.edwards@mydirectmail.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
+
+<div>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">[...] </p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">I can also offer to write how-to’s and guides in
+English and maybe Greek (got to brush up on my Greek), </p></div></div></blockquote><div>   [...] </div><br clear="all"><div><br></div><div>Hi Dino, you can join us in the greek team here : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/forum/viewforum.php?f=14">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/forum/viewforum.php?f=14</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+2010/9/19 Dino Edwards <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dino.edwards@mydirectmail.net">dino.edwards@mydirectmail.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
+
+<div>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">[...] </p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">I can also offer to write how-to’s and guides in
+English and maybe Greek (got to brush up on my Greek), </p></div></div></blockquote><div>   [...] </div><br clear="all"><div><br></div><div>Hi Dino, you can join us in the greek team here : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/forum/viewforum.php?f=14">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/forum/viewforum.php?f=14</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>-- <br></div><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div>I really like the font, easy on the eyes. But the logo hmmm..</div><br clear="all">Sadiq S<br>mailto: <a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="http://www.staticsafe.me" target="_blank">www.staticsafe.me</a><br>
+
+Twitter - <a href="http://www.twitter.com/staticsafe" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/staticsafe</a><br>Facebook- <a href="http://www.facebook.com/static.safe" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/static.safe</a><br>� � � �� <br>
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Ga�l Ch�ny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br>
+hurdman aka yves-gael<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>I really like the font, easy on the eyes. But the logo hmmm..</div><br clear="all">Sadiq S<br>mailto: <a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="http://www.staticsafe.me" target="_blank">www.staticsafe.me</a><br>
+
+Twitter - <a href="http://www.twitter.com/staticsafe" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/staticsafe</a><br>Facebook- <a href="http://www.facebook.com/static.safe" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/static.safe</a><br>� � � �� <br>
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Ga�l Ch�ny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br>
+hurdman aka yves-gael<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>This is a good idea.</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton J�nior</div><div>Federal Institute of Education, Science and Technologie of Para�ba</div><div>Brazil<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 20 de setembro de 2010 21:24, Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Well, I think what Mageia codename should be related to magic. Mandriva will continue existing, so, distro is not reborning; then, makes no sens call it Lazarus or Fenix; also, is very cliche call it Merlin or other directly related magic stuff.<br>
+
+<br>
+Thus, I think that Xavante is the best option, not only by tribute - what is necessary - but because is a new and unexpected concept.<br>
+<br>
+Xavante is a indian tribe; indians are people with magic inside them; They cure yourselves with herbs and teas, make rain dances and believe in deities that represents the pure magic of man and Nature&#39;s contact.<br>
+<br>
+But I sincerely hope that, once forum is runing, there is a pool system in that we can vote in all given options.<br>
+<br>
+Reguards.<br>
+<br>
+_____________________________________________________________<br>
+Washington DC&#39;s Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <a href="http://www.DCemail.com" target="_blank">http://www.DCemail.com</a> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<br>
+<a href="http://www.DCpages.com" target="_blank">http://www.DCpages.com</a><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>This is a good idea.</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton J�nior</div><div>Federal Institute of Education, Science and Technologie of Para�ba</div><div>Brazil<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 20 de setembro de 2010 21:24, Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Well, I think what Mageia codename should be related to magic. Mandriva will continue existing, so, distro is not reborning; then, makes no sens call it Lazarus or Fenix; also, is very cliche call it Merlin or other directly related magic stuff.<br>
+
+<br>
+Thus, I think that Xavante is the best option, not only by tribute - what is necessary - but because is a new and unexpected concept.<br>
+<br>
+Xavante is a indian tribe; indians are people with magic inside them; They cure yourselves with herbs and teas, make rain dances and believe in deities that represents the pure magic of man and Nature&#39;s contact.<br>
+<br>
+But I sincerely hope that, once forum is runing, there is a pool system in that we can vote in all given options.<br>
+<br>
+Reguards.<br>
+<br>
+_____________________________________________________________<br>
+Washington DC&#39;s Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <a href="http://www.DCemail.com" target="_blank">http://www.DCemail.com</a> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<br>
+<a href="http://www.DCpages.com" target="_blank">http://www.DCpages.com</a><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Thanks Michael,<br><br>Understanding for your explanation.<br>But there is one issue which brought up a question.<br>You are writing &quot;launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago&quot;.<br>Am i misunderstanding, or did i think the plans just were born some days (weeks at the most) ago?<br>
+<br>isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+First, let me present myself. My name is Michael Scherer, and for those<br>
+that do not already know me, I am a member of the Mandriva packaging<br>
+community, and one of the 4 <a href="http://zarb.org" target="_blank">zarb.org</a> admins. I am also involved in the<br>
+launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago.<br>
+<br>
+I just went back from FUDCON 2010 Zurich yesterday evening and I have<br>
+been quite overhelmed by the amount of discussion that is going on at<br>
+the moment, and I must confess that I feel more than stressed by<br>
+everything that is going on, to the point I still didn&#39;t connect to irc<br>
+yet.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, we are all happy of the tremendous support of the community,<br>
+but more than 500 messages in 2 days is a little bit too much for me to<br>
+digest, and so I would like to share a few points :<br>
+<br>
+- please try to avoid sending emails like &quot;i would like to help to<br>
+$FOO&quot;. While we are quite happy to see such mails, they are not very<br>
+helpful at the moment since we have to sort everything, and we cannot<br>
+accept help on $FOO yet. We have started to think about how we can<br>
+manage this, and we will likely soon setup a temporary wiki so people<br>
+can add their name ( likely tomorrow, once we have sorted the really<br>
+urgent stuff ), but in the mean time, I think people should wait a<br>
+little. I would also like to remind you that you can also wait for us to<br>
+ask for help, ie once we will need it. Let&#39;s say someone want to<br>
+translate the distribution in french. If you want to do it, do not say<br>
+&quot;I want to translate&quot;. Just wait until we have something to translate<br>
+when we will ask for help, and then sent the email. Or add your name on<br>
+the wiki once it will be set up and announced. By acting this way, we<br>
+will be more efficient as we will not have to search back in the<br>
+archives to see who offered what, and have less mails to read<br>
+( especially when we are very very busy ).<br>
+<br>
+- please try to not start long discussions about technical details<br>
+( like the thread about kernel-libre, about server component ). While of<br>
+course we need to have technical discussions as every technical project,<br>
+I must remind everybody that we do have any kind of infrastructure for<br>
+the moment, so this is a little bit early to start. And discussing it<br>
+now when we have nothing to commit or anything is IMHO distracting us<br>
+from our priorities, and a source of future frustration for people, as<br>
+we shouldn&#39;t make any decision in a hurry.<br>
+<br>
+- please do not forget there is some priorities in setting up. As<br>
+someone who boast of having non existant skills in website on his blog,<br>
+I am quite delighted to see people are eager to do the work, but I think<br>
+we should first have a server to host the website before discussing of<br>
+the logo. And so one. The same goes for codename, flickr account or<br>
+others. So will I am happy to see that people are doing stuff that I<br>
+will never be able to do properly, I think they need to realize that we<br>
+are not ready to get contributions yet, and so that it will take time,<br>
+and waiting can be frustrating, so please cope with us.<br>
+<br>
+- in the same idea, while it is wonderful to see that people want to<br>
+start user groups in various country, I must remind the harsh reality<br>
+that we have nothing to use yet. So there is no hurry yet. If people are<br>
+really interested, I think it would be wiser to plan a little bit more<br>
+the creation of the and try to get information on what is needed to<br>
+manage a community, by reading books like &quot;The opensource way&quot;, or &quot;the<br>
+art of community&quot;. I have plenty of ressources on the subject for those<br>
+that want it, and I think it can take some time to digest.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+and, as a more personal note, please do not register every possible<br>
+variation of the domain name. One of the few problems we faced while<br>
+searching for a name was that a good part of all names were already<br>
+used. And we painfully discovered that good names are a scarce<br>
+ressource. So in order to be good netizens, I think we should act<br>
+responsibly, and let others people use names even if not related to the<br>
+project.<br>
+<br>
+Now, I must be clea, I do not ask to people to stop all discussions, far<br>
+from it. You can discuss everything you want, but I would like to remind<br>
+everybody to think a little bit of those that will read all the emails<br>
+( like me ), and how much time this will cost to them. If I spend 1<br>
+minute on every mail since the start ( as I need to get them from the<br>
+web interface ), and since there was 520 mails in 2 days, this make 8<br>
+hours to read everything properly ( without counting the 15 mails that<br>
+appeared in the mean time.<br>
+<br>
+And while I will be reading this, I will not be setting the<br>
+infrastructure or anything.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for reading my boring mail and I hope to be back on you soon with<br>
+more interesting news.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Thanks Michael,<br><br>Understanding for your explanation.<br>But there is one issue which brought up a question.<br>You are writing &quot;launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago&quot;.<br>Am i misunderstanding, or did i think the plans just were born some days (weeks at the most) ago?<br>
+<br>isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+First, let me present myself. My name is Michael Scherer, and for those<br>
+that do not already know me, I am a member of the Mandriva packaging<br>
+community, and one of the 4 <a href="http://zarb.org" target="_blank">zarb.org</a> admins. I am also involved in the<br>
+launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago.<br>
+<br>
+I just went back from FUDCON 2010 Zurich yesterday evening and I have<br>
+been quite overhelmed by the amount of discussion that is going on at<br>
+the moment, and I must confess that I feel more than stressed by<br>
+everything that is going on, to the point I still didn&#39;t connect to irc<br>
+yet.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, we are all happy of the tremendous support of the community,<br>
+but more than 500 messages in 2 days is a little bit too much for me to<br>
+digest, and so I would like to share a few points :<br>
+<br>
+- please try to avoid sending emails like &quot;i would like to help to<br>
+$FOO&quot;. While we are quite happy to see such mails, they are not very<br>
+helpful at the moment since we have to sort everything, and we cannot<br>
+accept help on $FOO yet. We have started to think about how we can<br>
+manage this, and we will likely soon setup a temporary wiki so people<br>
+can add their name ( likely tomorrow, once we have sorted the really<br>
+urgent stuff ), but in the mean time, I think people should wait a<br>
+little. I would also like to remind you that you can also wait for us to<br>
+ask for help, ie once we will need it. Let&#39;s say someone want to<br>
+translate the distribution in french. If you want to do it, do not say<br>
+&quot;I want to translate&quot;. Just wait until we have something to translate<br>
+when we will ask for help, and then sent the email. Or add your name on<br>
+the wiki once it will be set up and announced. By acting this way, we<br>
+will be more efficient as we will not have to search back in the<br>
+archives to see who offered what, and have less mails to read<br>
+( especially when we are very very busy ).<br>
+<br>
+- please try to not start long discussions about technical details<br>
+( like the thread about kernel-libre, about server component ). While of<br>
+course we need to have technical discussions as every technical project,<br>
+I must remind everybody that we do have any kind of infrastructure for<br>
+the moment, so this is a little bit early to start. And discussing it<br>
+now when we have nothing to commit or anything is IMHO distracting us<br>
+from our priorities, and a source of future frustration for people, as<br>
+we shouldn&#39;t make any decision in a hurry.<br>
+<br>
+- please do not forget there is some priorities in setting up. As<br>
+someone who boast of having non existant skills in website on his blog,<br>
+I am quite delighted to see people are eager to do the work, but I think<br>
+we should first have a server to host the website before discussing of<br>
+the logo. And so one. The same goes for codename, flickr account or<br>
+others. So will I am happy to see that people are doing stuff that I<br>
+will never be able to do properly, I think they need to realize that we<br>
+are not ready to get contributions yet, and so that it will take time,<br>
+and waiting can be frustrating, so please cope with us.<br>
+<br>
+- in the same idea, while it is wonderful to see that people want to<br>
+start user groups in various country, I must remind the harsh reality<br>
+that we have nothing to use yet. So there is no hurry yet. If people are<br>
+really interested, I think it would be wiser to plan a little bit more<br>
+the creation of the and try to get information on what is needed to<br>
+manage a community, by reading books like &quot;The opensource way&quot;, or &quot;the<br>
+art of community&quot;. I have plenty of ressources on the subject for those<br>
+that want it, and I think it can take some time to digest.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+and, as a more personal note, please do not register every possible<br>
+variation of the domain name. One of the few problems we faced while<br>
+searching for a name was that a good part of all names were already<br>
+used. And we painfully discovered that good names are a scarce<br>
+ressource. So in order to be good netizens, I think we should act<br>
+responsibly, and let others people use names even if not related to the<br>
+project.<br>
+<br>
+Now, I must be clea, I do not ask to people to stop all discussions, far<br>
+from it. You can discuss everything you want, but I would like to remind<br>
+everybody to think a little bit of those that will read all the emails<br>
+( like me ), and how much time this will cost to them. If I spend 1<br>
+minute on every mail since the start ( as I need to get them from the<br>
+web interface ), and since there was 520 mails in 2 days, this make 8<br>
+hours to read everything properly ( without counting the 15 mails that<br>
+appeared in the mean time.<br>
+<br>
+And while I will be reading this, I will not be setting the<br>
+infrastructure or anything.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for reading my boring mail and I hope to be back on you soon with<br>
+more interesting news.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Lovely penguin.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Sadiq Saif <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>I really like the font, easy on the eyes. But the logo hmmm..</div><br clear="all">Sadiq S<br>mailto: <a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="http://www.staticsafe.me" target="_blank">www.staticsafe.me</a><br>
+
+
+Twitter - <a href="http://www.twitter.com/staticsafe" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/staticsafe</a><br>Facebook- <a href="http://www.facebook.com/static.safe" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/static.safe</a><div><div></div>
+<div class="h5"><br>� � � �� <br>
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Ga�l Ch�ny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr" target="_blank">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br>
+hurdman aka yves-gael<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Lovely penguin.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Sadiq Saif <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>I really like the font, easy on the eyes. But the logo hmmm..</div><br clear="all">Sadiq S<br>mailto: <a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="http://www.staticsafe.me" target="_blank">www.staticsafe.me</a><br>
+
+
+Twitter - <a href="http://www.twitter.com/staticsafe" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/staticsafe</a><br>Facebook- <a href="http://www.facebook.com/static.safe" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/static.safe</a><div><div></div>
+<div class="h5"><br>� � � �� <br>
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Ga�l Ch�ny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr" target="_blank">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br>
+hurdman aka yves-gael<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<div>I propose the name: Circe<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe</a></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div>I propose the name: Circe<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe</a></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Dimitrios, i think we can manage to put our rpms into oficial<br>
+communtiy repository if Mageia devs agree. Your freetype package, if<br>
+it is not plf , can be placed in that repo with different %name. But i<br>
+think, at least a profeesional packager shold review our packages and<br>
+show us our faults and how to correct them. This way;<br>
+- make us trained<br>
+- make our packages better QA<br>
+- make us a part of Mageia packagers<br>
+- make every mageia user reach them from one official repo<br>
+- make stop duplicating efforts<br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>Agree, the french association <a href="http://mandrivafr.org">mandrivafr.org</a> has a mailing list to help beginers and not, to learning how to build rpm packages and make corrections/suggestions. It would be very good to have something similar to mageia too. <br>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Dimitrios, i think we can manage to put our rpms into oficial<br>
+communtiy repository if Mageia devs agree. Your freetype package, if<br>
+it is not plf , can be placed in that repo with different %name. But i<br>
+think, at least a profeesional packager shold review our packages and<br>
+show us our faults and how to correct them. This way;<br>
+- make us trained<br>
+- make our packages better QA<br>
+- make us a part of Mageia packagers<br>
+- make every mageia user reach them from one official repo<br>
+- make stop duplicating efforts<br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>Agree, the french association <a href="http://mandrivafr.org">mandrivafr.org</a> has a mailing list to help beginers and not, to learning how to build rpm packages and make corrections/suggestions. It would be very good to have something similar to mageia too. <br>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+Please, do something light and positive, simple and catchy. Don&#39;t make it so dark.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 20 September 2010 10:09, franck &lt;<a href="mailto:franckdoucet@orange.fr">franckdoucet@orange.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 17:55:03, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; I imagine something with the magic crystal<br>
+&gt;&gt; Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an<br>
+&gt;&gt; inspiration<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg" target="_blank">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu<br>
+&gt;&gt; button etc<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  a draft with Inkscape ... Photoshop don&#39;t run on my Mandriva ;)  !  I promote<br>
+&gt; the use of Inkscape and SVG format because all elements are alterable.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Notice:  I use a no-free fonts (Wirwenzaw), unusable in our case, but we are<br>
+&gt; fare from the definive logo , I think :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  Franck<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>My first attempt, I wasn&#39;t sure if there should be some reflection<br>
+from the moon with the text sitting on it or not.<br>
+<a href="http://themoralcarnivore.deviantart.com/art/Logo-for-Mageia-179901309" target="_blank">http://themoralcarnivore.deviantart.com/art/Logo-for-Mageia-179901309</a><br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Please, do something light and positive, simple and catchy. Don&#39;t make it so dark.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 20 September 2010 10:09, franck &lt;<a href="mailto:franckdoucet@orange.fr">franckdoucet@orange.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 17:55:03, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; I imagine something with the magic crystal<br>
+&gt;&gt; Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an<br>
+&gt;&gt; inspiration<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg" target="_blank">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu<br>
+&gt;&gt; button etc<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  a draft with Inkscape ... Photoshop don&#39;t run on my Mandriva ;)  !  I promote<br>
+&gt; the use of Inkscape and SVG format because all elements are alterable.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Notice:  I use a no-free fonts (Wirwenzaw), unusable in our case, but we are<br>
+&gt; fare from the definive logo , I think :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;  Franck<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>My first attempt, I wasn&#39;t sure if there should be some reflection<br>
+from the moon with the text sitting on it or not.<br>
+<a href="http://themoralcarnivore.deviantart.com/art/Logo-for-Mageia-179901309" target="_blank">http://themoralcarnivore.deviantart.com/art/Logo-for-Mageia-179901309</a><br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+I fully agree with this opinion. Linux-libre should be offered to free software addict users while propierty drives and other non-free software included as a choice.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Filipe Saraiva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">It would be good to give this to the user. I agree with her.</span></span><br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 19 de setembro de 2010 17:50, André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br" target="_blank">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">People,<br><br>Now that the distro is starting, it&#39;s easier to define the course of the project. We have to make sure we&#39;re doing the right thing.<br>
+
+<br>Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely discussed: support for the Stallman&#39;s group could be very advantageous, but would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all source code should be available.<br>
+
+<br>But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to install your kernel linux-libre .<br>
+
+<br>Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux
+ kernel maintained by the FSF Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few distros that offer it.<br><br>I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media, where the user can install a system with it by typing something like &quot;install = libre&quot; or something similar at boot time of this media. Of course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.<br>
+
+<br>For more information, see: <a href="http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/" target="_blank">http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</a></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+<br>Associação Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piauí - PSL-PI<br><br>“Você deve ser a mudança que deseja ver no mundo.” - Gandhi<br><br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+I fully agree with this opinion. Linux-libre should be offered to free software addict users while propierty drives and other non-free software included as a choice.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Filipe Saraiva <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">It would be good to give this to the user. I agree with her.</span></span><br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 19 de setembro de 2010 17:50, André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br" target="_blank">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">People,<br><br>Now that the distro is starting, it&#39;s easier to define the course of the project. We have to make sure we&#39;re doing the right thing.<br>
+
+<br>Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely discussed: support for the Stallman&#39;s group could be very advantageous, but would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all source code should be available.<br>
+
+<br>But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to install your kernel linux-libre .<br>
+
+<br>Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux
+ kernel maintained by the FSF Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few distros that offer it.<br><br>I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media, where the user can install a system with it by typing something like &quot;install = libre&quot; or something similar at boot time of this media. Of course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.<br>
+
+<br>For more information, see: <a href="http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/" target="_blank">http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</a></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+
+<br>Associação Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piauí - PSL-PI<br><br>“Você deve ser a mudança que deseja ver no mundo.” - Gandhi<br><br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+The term Mageia &mdash; ������ in greek &mdash; means <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic" title="Magic">magic</a> in english. It&#39;s a reference to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Mandrake" title="Leon Mandrake">Mandrake (the magician)</a>, old name of the distribution <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva_Linux" title="Mandriva Linux">Mandriva Linux</a>.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Maurice Batey &lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What is the origin of this name, please?<br>
+<br>
+</div>It&#39;s ancient greek and means &quot;magic&quot;.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+The term Mageia &mdash; ������ in greek &mdash; means <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic" title="Magic">magic</a> in english. It&#39;s a reference to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Mandrake" title="Leon Mandrake">Mandrake (the magician)</a>, old name of the distribution <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva_Linux" title="Mandriva Linux">Mandriva Linux</a>.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Maurice Batey &lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What is the origin of this name, please?<br>
+<br>
+</div>It&#39;s ancient greek and means &quot;magic&quot;.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Bernard Siaud alias Troumad <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:liste@siaud.org">liste@siaud.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+ Hello<br>
+<br>
+I come here because I like my Mandriva. I can found besser : this month, I have tested Debian, OpenSuse or Fedora because I was afraid for Mandriva.<br>
+I now, for me, the new name of Mandriva is Mageia. Isn&#39;t it ?<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Hi, Bernard.</div><div><br></div><div>No. Mageia is not the new name for Mandriva. Mageia is a fork from MDV.</div><div><br></div><div>Former employees, community leaders, collaborators and many people from communities arround the world are joining to this project.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The project&#39;s objective is create a new distro, based on Mandriva, but outside from it.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope you agree this objectives and join us!</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>
+<br></div><div>vfmBOFH</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 Bernard Siaud alias Troumad <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:liste@siaud.org">liste@siaud.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+ Hello<br>
+<br>
+I come here because I like my Mandriva. I can found besser : this month, I have tested Debian, OpenSuse or Fedora because I was afraid for Mandriva.<br>
+I now, for me, the new name of Mandriva is Mageia. Isn&#39;t it ?<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Hi, Bernard.</div><div><br></div><div>No. Mageia is not the new name for Mandriva. Mageia is a fork from MDV.</div><div><br></div><div>Former employees, community leaders, collaborators and many people from communities arround the world are joining to this project.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The project&#39;s objective is create a new distro, based on Mandriva, but outside from it.</div><div><br></div><div>Hope you agree this objectives and join us!</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>
+<br></div><div>vfmBOFH</div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
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+    Le 2010-09-20 07:41, Patricia Fraser a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20100920134113.1ff16acd@andromeda.localdomain"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi,
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
+not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
+countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
+never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
+
+Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+I'd help! I'm in Poland, but I'd be interested in helping with any UK
+English localisation, and supporting and following UK group
+activities - including any marketing, because it's my nearest
+English-speaking country and my English is UK English, not US
+English. I use a UK keyboard, I use Euros and GBP, I use EN-GB
+dictionaries and thesauruses...
+
+While I agree that a complete repo is a good thing, local user/action
+groups make it possible to actually organise a large number of
+people, and to receive ideas from them in manageable chunks... 
+
+Just an idea...
+
+</pre>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I don't think there is anyway around this. Community and Language
+    based domain sites will exist as these do also cover cultural and
+    nationalistic boundaries. Human nature being what it is, we all want
+    to belong to a piece of where we come from. It just depends on how
+    we view or define ourselves. <br>
+    <br>
+    In a perfect world, the Mageia organisers (core group) would have
+    pre-registered all important domain names and permutations
+    considered important to the project. Even if "Mageia (Linux)" is
+    called a community-based project, you still have to approach it from
+    a "business" model. Organising the domain situation should be
+    (should have been) top priority. Coordinating the registration of
+    the localised (country-based) domains for any internet based
+    endeavour (for-profit or non-profit organisation) should always
+    figure in the initial planning stages. However, this would have
+    required a considerable amount of financial outlay at the onset of
+    the project as well as a great amount of coordination worldwide with
+    cooperating partners -- you cannot register a country-based domain
+    unless you are a citizen of that country or you risk being
+    challenged on your ownership and risk losing your domain. <br>
+    <br>
+    It would then be reasonable to say that the Mageia project will
+    need, after all of its initial organizing, to try to coordinate the
+    cooperation of language and local websites. Being a community-based
+    distro, it would be imperative on our parts to lend a hand at
+    helping the project in this way in a non-discriminating way. That is
+    to say, if we own a domain that is considered a TLD&nbsp; (top level
+    domain) for this project, we should coordinate closely with the
+    flag-ship Mageia domain (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a>).<br>
+    <br>
+    Most of the "mageia" domains and permutations that matter have
+    pretty well been registered. The ones that mattered were well
+    registered by the end of the day on Sunday. I would suggest that a
+    further name change in the near future may be necessary if the
+    coordination under the "Mageia" banner is too difficult to manage
+    for the project.<br>
+    <br>
+    In my opinion, the localised magiea.country domains, should, for
+    now, point to the main site, unless the localised site requires
+    special language consideration with an obvious link to the main
+    mageia website. The main Mageia site should make every effort to
+    support language translation of important materials and organise
+    language support fora for the different language groups. This,
+    language support fora, should then be well coordinated so that a
+    clear path of information makes it way back up to the Mageia
+    structure for policy making. Making all work together regardless of
+    language barriers is important. The use of Fora for the project is
+    important, as for most users today, accessing a "forums" board is
+    quite easily done and the feeling of belonging to the group is
+    easily achievable. Mailists and NNTP (Usenet) are a little more
+    difficult to maintain from a practical view for most users. Making
+    it easy to participate to the community will attract a larger amount
+    of users. Let's make it easy for users to join and participate.<br>
+    <br>
+    This then leads to the topic of the one overriding official language
+    for the dissemination of Mageia information. We all know that, in
+    the real intenational business world, the lingua franca is English.
+    I would propose English as the unifying language for the site for
+    all involved. This is not to disparage other languages as
+    contributions could still be done in the particular fora on the
+    site. The dissemination would then, of course, have to be done as
+    much as possible in all languages supported by Mageia.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc Par&eacute;<br>
+    Canada<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.ca">http://www.mageia.ca</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-20 07:41, Patricia Fraser a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20100920134113.1ff16acd@andromeda.localdomain"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi,
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
+not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
+countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
+never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
+
+Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+I'd help! I'm in Poland, but I'd be interested in helping with any UK
+English localisation, and supporting and following UK group
+activities - including any marketing, because it's my nearest
+English-speaking country and my English is UK English, not US
+English. I use a UK keyboard, I use Euros and GBP, I use EN-GB
+dictionaries and thesauruses...
+
+While I agree that a complete repo is a good thing, local user/action
+groups make it possible to actually organise a large number of
+people, and to receive ideas from them in manageable chunks... 
+
+Just an idea...
+
+</pre>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I don't think there is anyway around this. Community and Language
+    based domain sites will exist as these do also cover cultural and
+    nationalistic boundaries. Human nature being what it is, we all want
+    to belong to a piece of where we come from. It just depends on how
+    we view or define ourselves. <br>
+    <br>
+    In a perfect world, the Mageia organisers (core group) would have
+    pre-registered all important domain names and permutations
+    considered important to the project. Even if "Mageia (Linux)" is
+    called a community-based project, you still have to approach it from
+    a "business" model. Organising the domain situation should be
+    (should have been) top priority. Coordinating the registration of
+    the localised (country-based) domains for any internet based
+    endeavour (for-profit or non-profit organisation) should always
+    figure in the initial planning stages. However, this would have
+    required a considerable amount of financial outlay at the onset of
+    the project as well as a great amount of coordination worldwide with
+    cooperating partners -- you cannot register a country-based domain
+    unless you are a citizen of that country or you risk being
+    challenged on your ownership and risk losing your domain. <br>
+    <br>
+    It would then be reasonable to say that the Mageia project will
+    need, after all of its initial organizing, to try to coordinate the
+    cooperation of language and local websites. Being a community-based
+    distro, it would be imperative on our parts to lend a hand at
+    helping the project in this way in a non-discriminating way. That is
+    to say, if we own a domain that is considered a TLD&nbsp; (top level
+    domain) for this project, we should coordinate closely with the
+    flag-ship Mageia domain (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a>).<br>
+    <br>
+    Most of the "mageia" domains and permutations that matter have
+    pretty well been registered. The ones that mattered were well
+    registered by the end of the day on Sunday. I would suggest that a
+    further name change in the near future may be necessary if the
+    coordination under the "Mageia" banner is too difficult to manage
+    for the project.<br>
+    <br>
+    In my opinion, the localised magiea.country domains, should, for
+    now, point to the main site, unless the localised site requires
+    special language consideration with an obvious link to the main
+    mageia website. The main Mageia site should make every effort to
+    support language translation of important materials and organise
+    language support fora for the different language groups. This,
+    language support fora, should then be well coordinated so that a
+    clear path of information makes it way back up to the Mageia
+    structure for policy making. Making all work together regardless of
+    language barriers is important. The use of Fora for the project is
+    important, as for most users today, accessing a "forums" board is
+    quite easily done and the feeling of belonging to the group is
+    easily achievable. Mailists and NNTP (Usenet) are a little more
+    difficult to maintain from a practical view for most users. Making
+    it easy to participate to the community will attract a larger amount
+    of users. Let's make it easy for users to join and participate.<br>
+    <br>
+    This then leads to the topic of the one overriding official language
+    for the dissemination of Mageia information. We all know that, in
+    the real intenational business world, the lingua franca is English.
+    I would propose English as the unifying language for the site for
+    all involved. This is not to disparage other languages as
+    contributions could still be done in the particular fora on the
+    site. The dissemination would then, of course, have to be done as
+    much as possible in all languages supported by Mageia.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc Par&eacute;<br>
+    Canada<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.ca">http://www.mageia.ca</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 franck <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franckdoucet@orange.fr">franckdoucet@orange.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Ooops!<br>
+ Better the the link:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg" target="_blank">http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg</a><br>
+<br clear="all"></blockquote><div><br>I like a lot the second (in the page) with the blue crystal <br></div></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 franck <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franckdoucet@orange.fr">franckdoucet@orange.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Ooops!<br>
+ Better the the link:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg" target="_blank">http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg</a><br>
+<br clear="all"></blockquote><div><br>I like a lot the second (in the page) with the blue crystal <br></div></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-20 12:38, Wolfgang Bornath a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:<span
+      style="white-space: pre;">&gt; &lt;pre wrap&gt;<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 2010/9/20 Remco Rijnders
+      &amp;lt;remco-BFHUS2cQccxcKrbEW9aRdA@public.gmane.org&amp;gt;:<br>
+      &gt; &lt;/pre&gt;&lt;blockquote type=cite&gt;&lt;pre wrap&gt;<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; That said, I realise I registered the domain in my enthusiasm
+      and also<br>
+      &gt; with the hope to prevent an 'outside' party from registering
+      it. We can do<br>
+      &gt; several things with it:<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 1) Hand ownership of the domain over to mageia.org.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 2) Keep forwarding the DNS for now as it is.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 3) Set up a dummy page on my server redirecting to the
+      official mageia.org<br>
+      &gt; page.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 4) Set up a Dutch forum dedicated to mageia on that domain.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 5) Hand ownership of the domain over to an existing NL based
+      usergroup.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 6) Point DNS nowhere for now.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; Mageia staff can reach me on this email address if needed or
+      tag me on IRC<br>
+      &gt; (Remmy)<br>
+      &gt; &lt;/pre&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;pre wrap&gt;<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; I did the same but I did not set a redirect. I placed a
+      sentence on<br>
+      &gt; the site which tells people in German to either go to the
+      main<br>
+      &gt; mageia.org site or to the German Mandriva Linux Community
+      which will<br>
+      &gt; support Mageia as soon as support is needed, The User can
+      click on the<br>
+      &gt; links, it works. Nothing to be changed in any setup.<br>
+      &gt; What will become of the site is in the future, similar to
+      your points 1 or 5.<br>
+      <br>
+    </span>I wonder how many on this list have ownership of the
+    mageia.xx domain? We now know of the three of us. I imagine at some
+    point the list of owners would be collected.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+    Canada<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.ca">http://www.mageia.ca</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 2010-09-20 12:38, Wolfgang Bornath a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:<span
+      style="white-space: pre;">&gt; &lt;pre wrap&gt;<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 2010/9/20 Remco Rijnders
+      &amp;lt;remco-BFHUS2cQccxcKrbEW9aRdA@public.gmane.org&amp;gt;:<br>
+      &gt; &lt;/pre&gt;&lt;blockquote type=cite&gt;&lt;pre wrap&gt;<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; That said, I realise I registered the domain in my enthusiasm
+      and also<br>
+      &gt; with the hope to prevent an 'outside' party from registering
+      it. We can do<br>
+      &gt; several things with it:<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 1) Hand ownership of the domain over to mageia.org.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 2) Keep forwarding the DNS for now as it is.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 3) Set up a dummy page on my server redirecting to the
+      official mageia.org<br>
+      &gt; page.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 4) Set up a Dutch forum dedicated to mageia on that domain.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 5) Hand ownership of the domain over to an existing NL based
+      usergroup.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; 6) Point DNS nowhere for now.<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; Mageia staff can reach me on this email address if needed or
+      tag me on IRC<br>
+      &gt; (Remmy)<br>
+      &gt; &lt;/pre&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;pre wrap&gt;<br>
+      &gt; <br>
+      &gt; I did the same but I did not set a redirect. I placed a
+      sentence on<br>
+      &gt; the site which tells people in German to either go to the
+      main<br>
+      &gt; mageia.org site or to the German Mandriva Linux Community
+      which will<br>
+      &gt; support Mageia as soon as support is needed, The User can
+      click on the<br>
+      &gt; links, it works. Nothing to be changed in any setup.<br>
+      &gt; What will become of the site is in the future, similar to
+      your points 1 or 5.<br>
+      <br>
+    </span>I wonder how many on this list have ownership of the
+    mageia.xx domain? We now know of the three of us. I imagine at some
+    point the list of owners would be collected.<br>
+    <br>
+    Marc<br>
+    Canada<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mageia.ca">http://www.mageia.ca</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+muestra de posible logo, tambi�n ac�: <a href="http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg">http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg</a><br><br><img title="mageia3.jpg" alt="mageia3.jpg" src="cid:ii_12b2fd92e3689249"><br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
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+muestra de posible logo, tambi�n ac�: <a href="http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg">http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg</a><br><br><img title="mageia3.jpg" alt="mageia3.jpg" src="cid:ii_12b2fd92e3689249"><br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org" target="_blank">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+[...]<br>
+while I understand why you did that previously with Mandriva, I think we<br>
+should aim to have ALL packages in the central repositories with Mageia.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>If te policy of Mageia is to have a central repository with all package it is excellent no problem for me<br>But eg i have an rpm of the libfreetype6 modified specialy for the greek fonts because the plf version breaks the layout of the greek fonts:<br>
+<a href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=56825">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=56825</a><br>And i had these rpms in the greek repo <br><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/libfreetype6-2.3.12-99.1mgr2010.1.i586.rpm">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/libfreetype6-2.3.12-99.1mgr2010.1.i586.rpm</a><br>
+<br>But is only an exception, i am agree to have a central repository. In a mug assembly  have asked to have a search engine to search rpms in all communities repos. We ve never could do it, so to have one repository is a solution to this.<br>
+<br>I can maintain for the mageia these rpms : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/</a> (except the libfreetype6 ofcourse :D )<br><br><br> <br>
+</div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org" target="_blank">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+[...]<br>
+while I understand why you did that previously with Mandriva, I think we<br>
+should aim to have ALL packages in the central repositories with Mageia.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>If te policy of Mageia is to have a central repository with all package it is excellent no problem for me<br>But eg i have an rpm of the libfreetype6 modified specialy for the greek fonts because the plf version breaks the layout of the greek fonts:<br>
+<a href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=56825">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=56825</a><br>And i had these rpms in the greek repo <br><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/libfreetype6-2.3.12-99.1mgr2010.1.i586.rpm">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/libfreetype6-2.3.12-99.1mgr2010.1.i586.rpm</a><br>
+<br>But is only an exception, i am agree to have a central repository. In a mug assembly  have asked to have a search engine to search rpms in all communities repos. We ve never could do it, so to have one repository is a solution to this.<br>
+<br>I can maintain for the mageia these rpms : <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/</a> (except the libfreetype6 ofcourse :D )<br><br><br> <br>
+</div></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+The logo is not perfect, but is promising... I like the idea.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Lovely penguin.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Sadiq Saif <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div>
+<div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>I really like the font, easy on the eyes. But the logo hmmm..</div><br clear="all">Sadiq S<br>mailto: <a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="http://www.staticsafe.me" target="_blank">www.staticsafe.me</a><br>
+
+
+
+Twitter - <a href="http://www.twitter.com/staticsafe" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/staticsafe</a><br>Facebook- <a href="http://www.facebook.com/static.safe" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/static.safe</a><div><div></div>
+
+<div><br>         <br>
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Gaël Chény <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr" target="_blank">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br>
+hurdman aka yves-gael<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div></div></div><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+The logo is not perfect, but is promising... I like the idea.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Lovely penguin.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Sadiq Saif <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div>
+<div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>I really like the font, easy on the eyes. But the logo hmmm..</div><br clear="all">Sadiq S<br>mailto: <a href="mailto:sadiq.9541@gmail.com" target="_blank">sadiq.9541@gmail.com</a><br>Blog: <a href="http://www.staticsafe.me" target="_blank">www.staticsafe.me</a><br>
+
+
+
+Twitter - <a href="http://www.twitter.com/staticsafe" target="_blank">www.twitter.com/staticsafe</a><br>Facebook- <a href="http://www.facebook.com/static.safe" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/static.safe</a><div><div></div>
+
+<div><br>         <br>
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Gaël Chény <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr" target="_blank">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br>
+hurdman aka yves-gael<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div></div></div><font color="#888888"><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hello<br><br>My question is quite simple. <br>In the list of contributors, we can see a lot of former mandriva employee name.<br>They were employed by mandriva(or edge it) to create a distro. Now, they have no job, so a lot of time, and they would like to continue this adventure. I can understand it. <br>I have some questions about that : <br>&nbsp;- Is it legal for you, have you some right to work in the same field than your previous employer ? Lot of contract have a clause to forbid that. It would be a very bad news if mandriva asked some question about that and stop the project.<br>&nbsp;- Have you some financial plan to survive. Now you have maybe some money from government, and again a lot of time, but if you find a job, how many time would you take for the distro. <br>&nbsp;- People seems to think that Mageia would never have employees, is that true ? Could you imagine to create a structure and month after month, hire the main contributors to prevent Mageia to be out of developer soon ?<br>&nbsp;- You seems to think that it will be a free distro, but do you plan for some cashable services ? If a company ask your support, would you refuse and ask them to go to mandriva, or do you want to create something for that ?<br><br>Are you really motivated to do the same job than before, but without being paid ?&nbsp; Are you ok to give this work for free to your previous employer(it's GPL...)<br><br>My questions are most about money, I know that is a subject taht people love to forget, but I'm sure that it's a very important part when you want to create a budget, and I didn't get any information about that.<br><br>By the way, a forum would be very nice to prevent our mailbox from quick die :-)<br><br>Thank you<br>Pierre<br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+Hello<br><br>My question is quite simple. <br>In the list of contributors, we can see a lot of former mandriva employee name.<br>They were employed by mandriva(or edge it) to create a distro. Now, they have no job, so a lot of time, and they would like to continue this adventure. I can understand it. <br>I have some questions about that : <br>&nbsp;- Is it legal for you, have you some right to work in the same field than your previous employer ? Lot of contract have a clause to forbid that. It would be a very bad news if mandriva asked some question about that and stop the project.<br>&nbsp;- Have you some financial plan to survive. Now you have maybe some money from government, and again a lot of time, but if you find a job, how many time would you take for the distro. <br>&nbsp;- People seems to think that Mageia would never have employees, is that true ? Could you imagine to create a structure and month after month, hire the main contributors to prevent Mageia to be out of developer soon ?<br>&nbsp;- You seems to think that it will be a free distro, but do you plan for some cashable services ? If a company ask your support, would you refuse and ask them to go to mandriva, or do you want to create something for that ?<br><br>Are you really motivated to do the same job than before, but without being paid ?&nbsp; Are you ok to give this work for free to your previous employer(it's GPL...)<br><br>My questions are most about money, I know that is a subject taht people love to forget, but I'm sure that it's a very important part when you want to create a budget, and I didn't get any information about that.<br><br>By the way, a forum would be very nice to prevent our mailbox from quick die :-)<br><br>Thank you<br>Pierre<br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    El 19/09/10 23:40, Andr&eacute; Machado escribi&oacute;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:656676.95150.qm@web113010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">I suggest what 1st
+              Mageia version be called "Xavante"<br>
+              <br>
+              Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+              Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the
+              late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork
+              called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+              distro was not ahead.<br>
+              <br>
+              Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename
+              was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians what are
+              part of Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia
+              operatting system.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I suggest codename "Fenix" for 1st Mageia versi&oacute;n. <br>
+    Its a magic name.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    El 19/09/10 23:40, Andr&eacute; Machado escribi&oacute;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:656676.95150.qm@web113010.mail.gq1.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+        <tbody>
+          <tr>
+            <td style="font: inherit;" valign="top">I suggest what 1st
+              Mageia version be called "Xavante"<br>
+              <br>
+              Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+              Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the
+              late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork
+              called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+              distro was not ahead.<br>
+              <br>
+              Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename
+              was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians what are
+              part of Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia
+              operatting system.<br>
+            </td>
+          </tr>
+        </tbody>
+      </table>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I suggest codename "Fenix" for 1st Mageia versi&oacute;n. <br>
+    Its a magic name.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 JackDaniels93 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jackda93@free.fr">jackda93@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 02:52:58, Dale Huckeby a écrit :<br>
+&gt; Um, that&#39;s not the one I was praising. It was<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a>. The latter is a clean<br>
+&gt; and modern design, evocative of the name, slightly mysterious with the<br>
+&gt; flames rising from the orb, just a really, really nice design. Cuddly<br>
+&gt; penguins and what always looked like a star-shaped pillow always left me<br>
+&gt; feeling faintly embarrassed at the amateurish look. This one doesn&#39;t look<br>
+&gt; amateurish at all.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Dale Huckeby<br>
+<br>
+I love this one, a really professional design.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>The only thing is that it has to be redesigned because the image was picked in a google search so we dont have the rights, and it has to be unique with the personal mageia&#39;s <span>character <span id="hotword"></span></span><br>
+<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 JackDaniels93 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jackda93@free.fr">jackda93@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 02:52:58, Dale Huckeby a écrit :<br>
+&gt; Um, that&#39;s not the one I was praising. It was<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg" target="_blank">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a>. The latter is a clean<br>
+&gt; and modern design, evocative of the name, slightly mysterious with the<br>
+&gt; flames rising from the orb, just a really, really nice design. Cuddly<br>
+&gt; penguins and what always looked like a star-shaped pillow always left me<br>
+&gt; feeling faintly embarrassed at the amateurish look. This one doesn&#39;t look<br>
+&gt; amateurish at all.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Dale Huckeby<br>
+<br>
+I love this one, a really professional design.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>The only thing is that it has to be redesigned because the image was picked in a google search so we dont have the rights, and it has to be unique with the personal mageia&#39;s <span>character <span id="hotword"></span></span><br>
+<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Rolling releases are fine to users, but many sys admins wouldn&#39;t use it on a server, by example.<br><br>If,on the one hand, a rolling-release distro would be more economical and easy to mantain for development team, think that neither all user have high speed connections to download the whole system updated at installation time or update packages day to day.<br>
+<br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Maarten Vanraes <i>&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com" target="_blank">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
+<br>De: Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com" target="_blank">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia<br>Para: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 17:37<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div>Op zondag 19 september 2010 21:50:07 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>&gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre
+ 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a écrit :<br>&gt; &gt; First of all excuse me for my English.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future.<br>&gt; &gt; Why?<br>&gt; &gt; Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits<br>
+&gt; &gt; from recent versions of software.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for<br>&gt; &gt; inclusion.<br>&gt; &gt; So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the<br>
+&gt; &gt; software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is<br>&gt; &gt; equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;<br>
+&gt; &gt; containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,<br>&gt; &gt; thunderbird, mplayer.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; As you will not break the
+ system because no library, xorg etc. will be<br>&gt; &gt; updated.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer<br>&gt; &gt; etc ...)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia will,<br>
+&gt; like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and enterprise<br>&gt; use. So I really hope each version will be stable, maintained and<br>&gt; thoroughly tested. I&#39;m not sure that a rolling release permits that.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; Regards<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Samuel<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; <a href="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br><br>+1<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><div>Maybe some kind of hybrid?</div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s just an idea on my mind but i try to explain:</div><div><br></div><div>The system&#39;s design, could be as modular as possible. A &quot;core&quot; with the basic system and admin tools (including graph or not), and use ideas like meta-packages or delta-rpm to include &quot;layers&quot; over it, communicating with the core with &quot;connectors&quot; or so.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Using this design, we&#39;ll have a fully-stable core system, and we&#39;ll can focus the &quot;rolling style&quot; to the layers.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/19 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Rolling releases are fine to users, but many sys admins wouldn&#39;t use it on a server, by example.<br><br>If,on the one hand, a rolling-release distro would be more economical and easy to mantain for development team, think that neither all user have high speed connections to download the whole system updated at installation time or update packages day to day.<br>
+<br>--- Em <b>dom, 19/9/10, Maarten Vanraes <i>&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com" target="_blank">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</i></b> escreveu:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
+<br>De: Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com" target="_blank">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia<br>Para: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 17:37<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div>Op zondag 19 september 2010 21:50:07 schreef Samuel Verschelde:<br>&gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre
+ 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a écrit :<br>&gt; &gt; First of all excuse me for my English.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future.<br>&gt; &gt; Why?<br>&gt; &gt; Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits<br>
+&gt; &gt; from recent versions of software.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for<br>&gt; &gt; inclusion.<br>&gt; &gt; So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the<br>
+&gt; &gt; software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is<br>&gt; &gt; equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;<br>
+&gt; &gt; containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,<br>&gt; &gt; thunderbird, mplayer.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; As you will not break the
+ system because no library, xorg etc. will be<br>&gt; &gt; updated.<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer<br>&gt; &gt; etc ...)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia will,<br>
+&gt; like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and enterprise<br>&gt; use. So I really hope each version will be stable, maintained and<br>&gt; thoroughly tested. I&#39;m not sure that a rolling release permits that.<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; Regards<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Samuel<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; <a href="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br><br>+1<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></div></blockquote></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><div>Maybe some kind of hybrid?</div><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s just an idea on my mind but i try to explain:</div><div><br></div><div>The system&#39;s design, could be as modular as possible. A &quot;core&quot; with the basic system and admin tools (including graph or not), and use ideas like meta-packages or delta-rpm to include &quot;layers&quot; over it, communicating with the core with &quot;connectors&quot; or so.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Using this design, we&#39;ll have a fully-stable core system, and we&#39;ll can focus the &quot;rolling style&quot; to the layers.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    On 19/09/10 19:29, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinXR12XE=U2H+BSLidyrDONK0PykdvyJveFfyDR@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">I like the second most, has more 3d in it, and the lightning bolts are so
+dynamic.
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Oliver Burger <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">&lt;oliver.bgr@googlemail.com&gt;</a>wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Hi,
+Dimitrios Glentadakis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">&lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;</a>
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a>
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap="">This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't
+just
+some variation of the Mandriva star...
+
+Oliver
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+</pre>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    This is my current favourite as well. I haven't had the time to read
+    the whole thread, but I saw some pointed out the problem with using
+    the bolt image found on Google.<br>
+    In that case, if we're talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it? We could even implement Tux embracing the globe
+    inside it, or maybe we could make the crystal ball some sort of
+    faded globe to represent the globalisation of the project?<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    <br>
+    Olav<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    On 19/09/10 19:29, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinXR12XE=U2H+BSLidyrDONK0PykdvyJveFfyDR@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">I like the second most, has more 3d in it, and the lightning bolts are so
+dynamic.
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Oliver Burger <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">&lt;oliver.bgr@googlemail.com&gt;</a>wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Hi,
+Dimitrios Glentadakis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">&lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;</a>
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre wrap=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</a>
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap="">This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't
+just
+some variation of the Mandriva star...
+
+Oliver
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+</pre>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    This is my current favourite as well. I haven't had the time to read
+    the whole thread, but I saw some pointed out the problem with using
+    the bolt image found on Google.<br>
+    In that case, if we're talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it? We could even implement Tux embracing the globe
+    inside it, or maybe we could make the crystal ball some sort of
+    faded globe to represent the globalisation of the project?<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    <br>
+    Olav<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Luca Olivetti <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luca@ventoso.org">luca@ventoso.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Al 19/09/10 23:54, En/na vfmBOFH ha escrit:<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou&#39; there was<br>
+speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it&#39;s community.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+There&#39;s already a free software project called Lazarus<br>
+<a href="http://lazarus.freepascal.org" target="_blank">http://lazarus.freepascal.org</a><br>
+<br>
+Bye<br>
+-- <br><font color="#888888">
+Luca</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Yes, i know. But Leonidas it&#39;s a movie character and a codename for a fedora release at the same time. And it&#39;s not necessary talk about Debian&#39;s codenames... :)</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Luca Olivetti <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:luca@ventoso.org">luca@ventoso.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Al 19/09/10 23:54, En/na vfmBOFH ha escrit:<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou&#39; there was<br>
+speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it&#39;s community.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+There&#39;s already a free software project called Lazarus<br>
+<a href="http://lazarus.freepascal.org" target="_blank">http://lazarus.freepascal.org</a><br>
+<br>
+Bye<br>
+-- <br><font color="#888888">
+Luca</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Yes, i know. But Leonidas it&#39;s a movie character and a codename for a fedora release at the same time. And it&#39;s not necessary talk about Debian&#39;s codenames... :)</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca" target="_blank">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yup, true alright.<br>
+<br>
+These magic ideas come from Homer&#39;s Illead and Odyssey books. The first<br>
+Greek magician was Circe (which today lives on in the word circle,<br>
+church, kirche, kerk, kirk) and the origin of the magic wand is the<br>
+Greek goddess Athene, who waved her wand when she did things for her son<br>
+Odysseus.<br>
+<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>And the most powerLook at this topic the images of Circe !!</div><div> </div></div><div><a href="http://www.atoute.org/n/forum/showthread.php?t=115993" target="_blank">http://www.atoute.org/n/forum/showthread.php?t=115993</a> <br>
+
+</div><div>and maybe some ideas for the graphics of Mageia </div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 herman <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:herman@aeronetworks.ca" target="_blank">herman@aeronetworks.ca</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Yup, true alright.<br>
+<br>
+These magic ideas come from Homer&#39;s Illead and Odyssey books. The first<br>
+Greek magician was Circe (which today lives on in the word circle,<br>
+church, kirche, kerk, kirk) and the origin of the magic wand is the<br>
+Greek goddess Athene, who waved her wand when she did things for her son<br>
+Odysseus.<br>
+<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>And the most powerLook at this topic the images of Circe !!</div><div> </div></div><div><a href="http://www.atoute.org/n/forum/showthread.php?t=115993" target="_blank">http://www.atoute.org/n/forum/showthread.php?t=115993</a> <br>
+
+</div><div>and maybe some ideas for the graphics of Mageia </div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Dark Charlot <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jcldc13@gmail.com">jcldc13@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+HI,<br><br> Well not really good for me. It reminds me a French mobile company :<br><br>Here is the company :<br><a href="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/" target="_blank">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/</a><br><br> and here is their logo :<br>
+
+<a href="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png" target="_blank">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png</a><br><br> JC<br>
+ <br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/20 Yves-Gaël Chény <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr" target="_blank">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>it reminds me the sony ericsson logo <br><a href="http://www.topnews.in/files/Sony.gif">http://www.topnews.in/files/Sony.gif</a><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Dark Charlot <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jcldc13@gmail.com">jcldc13@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+HI,<br><br> Well not really good for me. It reminds me a French mobile company :<br><br>Here is the company :<br><a href="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/" target="_blank">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/</a><br><br> and here is their logo :<br>
+
+<a href="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png" target="_blank">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png</a><br><br> JC<br>
+ <br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/20 Yves-Gaël Chény <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr" target="_blank">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Hi,<br>
+a friend of mine have send us this picture :<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg" target="_blank">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+waiting for your reaction ;)<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+<br></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>it reminds me the sony ericsson logo <br><a href="http://www.topnews.in/files/Sony.gif">http://www.topnews.in/files/Sony.gif</a><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+I would add it to the flickr group as it is magically beautiful :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:45 PM, patrick.2 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:patrick.2@laposte.net">patrick.2@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:44:08 +0200,<br>
+Jean Peyratout &lt;<a href="mailto:jean.peyratout@abul.org">jean.peyratout@abul.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+<br>
+&gt; ... no cutting the link ;-)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+<a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png</a><br>
+<br>
+</div><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Patrick.<br>
+envoye depuis le monde libre ...<br>
+par un Pc sous Mandriva 2011.0 ( cooker ) !<br>
+Claws-Mail 3.7.6 - xfce 4.6.1<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+I would add it to the flickr group as it is magically beautiful :)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:45 PM, patrick.2 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:patrick.2@laposte.net">patrick.2@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:44:08 +0200,<br>
+Jean Peyratout &lt;<a href="mailto:jean.peyratout@abul.org">jean.peyratout@abul.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+<br>
+&gt; ... no cutting the link ;-)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+<a href="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png" target="_blank">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png</a><br>
+<br>
+</div><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Patrick.<br>
+envoye depuis le monde libre ...<br>
+par un Pc sous Mandriva 2011.0 ( cooker ) !<br>
+Claws-Mail 3.7.6 - xfce 4.6.1<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main developers/directors?<br>
+</td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><div>Hi, André.</div><div><br></div><div>This mail list are the first basic infrastructure to connect the community. And yes, all the opinions are welcome.</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Don&#39;t forget it&#39;s only been two days since the first announcement. Please, be patient. I know people involved in the &quot;internals&quot; are working realy hard to provide better forms to communicate. And be sure the awesome feedback from this list are arriving to them. </span></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">We have everything to do. So, all is possible!</span></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Cheers</span></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br></span></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><div id="gt-res-tools" class="g-section" style="width: 611px; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; zoom: 1; margin-top: 8px; ">
+<div id="gt-res-listen" tabindex="0" class="gt-icon-c" style="color: rgb(17, 17, 204); text-decoration: none; cursor: pointer; float: left; margin-right: 1em; outline-style: none; "></div></div></span></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br">andreferreiramachado@yahoo.com.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main developers/directors?<br>
+</td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+
+
+       <br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><div>Hi, André.</div><div><br></div><div>This mail list are the first basic infrastructure to connect the community. And yes, all the opinions are welcome.</div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Don&#39;t forget it&#39;s only been two days since the first announcement. Please, be patient. I know people involved in the &quot;internals&quot; are working realy hard to provide better forms to communicate. And be sure the awesome feedback from this list are arriving to them. </span></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">We have everything to do. So, all is possible!</span></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br></span></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Cheers</span></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><br></span></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; color: rgb(136, 136, 136); "><div id="gt-res-tools" class="g-section" style="width: 611px; vertical-align: top; display: inline-block; zoom: 1; margin-top: 8px; ">
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+I would name &#39;cauldron&#39; the former/inherited &#39;cooker&#39;.<br>I would call &#39;agora&#39; the forums, discussion/debating places.<br>I would call &#39;Prometheus&#39; the first release of the new Mageia. He run away with the fire from the gods after all ;) I hope it won&#39;t end up eaten by the eagles! &#39;Phoenix&#39; would be other good name..<br>
+<br>That&#39;s all, Mike<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the<br>
+development version of Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an<br>
+insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to<br>
+another distribution to avoid mistake.<br>
+<br>
+First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>
+python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)<br>
+<br>
+Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will<br>
+please to anyone.<br>
+<br>
+Your ideas are welcome.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ll see according results how to choose one.<br>
+<br>
+Regards.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Olivier Thauvin<br>
+CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
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+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+I would name &#39;cauldron&#39; the former/inherited &#39;cooker&#39;.<br>I would call &#39;agora&#39; the forums, discussion/debating places.<br>I would call &#39;Prometheus&#39; the first release of the new Mageia. He run away with the fire from the gods after all ;) I hope it won&#39;t end up eaten by the eagles! &#39;Phoenix&#39; would be other good name..<br>
+<br>That&#39;s all, Mike<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the<br>
+development version of Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an<br>
+insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to<br>
+another distribution to avoid mistake.<br>
+<br>
+First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>
+python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)<br>
+<br>
+Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will<br>
+please to anyone.<br>
+<br>
+Your ideas are welcome.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ll see according results how to choose one.<br>
+<br>
+Regards.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Olivier Thauvin<br>
+CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<style> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }</style>I agrre with Tavillo. The best way to take new decissions is surely making first an organizated placed where que can do it.<br>
+In fact, while this occurs, the mailing list is a good place for discussing friendly.<br>
+<br>
+--&nbsp;<br>
+Sergio Fernández Cordero
+<br>
+Webmaster - Admin
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.proyectopqmc.com">PROYECTOPQMC.COM</a> - Chorradas y frikismo a cascoporro
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.arcardes.com">ARCARDES.COM</a> - Opine sobre la labor del alcalde o alcaldesa de su municipio.<br>
+ <br>
+<br>
+<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Tue 21/09/10 16:55, "Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli" giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com wrote:<br>
+</span><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(245, 245, 245); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px;">IMHO you should use some kind of "method" to pick de name:
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+* Open a thread in ML with starting date and end-date where everybody
+<br>
+
+can drop their proposal: rule must be the e-mail must contain "only"
+<br>
+
+the proposed name and (optional) a small explanation (not more than
+<br>
+
+two lines) or a link to the explanation.
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+* After the end-date, open a poll in the Mageia website with all the
+<br>
+
+proposed names. Again, the poll must have an end-date. After that, you
+<br>
+
+have the name for the developmen version.
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+Cheers!
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+tavillo1980
+<br>
+
+_______________________________________________
+<br>
+
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<br>
+
+M<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('ageia-discuss@mageia.org','','','')">ageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<br>
+
+<a target="_blank" href="parse.php?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmageia-discuss"><span style="color: red;">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</span></a>
+<br>
+
+<br>
+
+</blockquote><BR></HTML>
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+<style> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }</style>I agrre with Tavillo. The best way to take new decissions is surely making first an organizated placed where que can do it.<br>
+In fact, while this occurs, the mailing list is a good place for discussing friendly.<br>
+<br>
+--&nbsp;<br>
+Sergio Fernández Cordero
+<br>
+Webmaster - Admin
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.proyectopqmc.com">PROYECTOPQMC.COM</a> - Chorradas y frikismo a cascoporro
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.arcardes.com">ARCARDES.COM</a> - Opine sobre la labor del alcalde o alcaldesa de su municipio.<br>
+ <br>
+<br>
+<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Tue 21/09/10 16:55, "Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli" giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com wrote:<br>
+</span><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(245, 245, 245); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px;">IMHO you should use some kind of "method" to pick de name:
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+* Open a thread in ML with starting date and end-date where everybody
+<br>
+
+can drop their proposal: rule must be the e-mail must contain "only"
+<br>
+
+the proposed name and (optional) a small explanation (not more than
+<br>
+
+two lines) or a link to the explanation.
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+* After the end-date, open a poll in the Mageia website with all the
+<br>
+
+proposed names. Again, the poll must have an end-date. After that, you
+<br>
+
+have the name for the developmen version.
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+Cheers!
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+tavillo1980
+<br>
+
+_______________________________________________
+<br>
+
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<br>
+
+M<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('ageia-discuss@mageia.org','','','')">ageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<br>
+
+<a target="_blank" href="parse.php?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmageia-discuss"><span style="color: red;">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</span></a>
+<br>
+
+<br>
+
+</blockquote><BR></HTML>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'><span>After the i-Pad, the i-Pot<br><br><span name="x"></span><span><div><div><div><div><div><font size="5"><strong>LEZARD VISUEL</strong></font>
+ <img src="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/images/logo_couleur_petit.jpg" dfsrc="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/images/logo_couleur_petit.jpg"><br><font size="2"><strong>SIMOES Joël</strong> - <em>Directeur
+ associé</em></font><br><br><font size="2">www : <a href="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/"><span class="Object" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT189"></span></a><a target="_blank">http://www.lezard-visuel.com</a><br>e-mail : <a href="">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a><br>tel
+ : +33 (0) 9 <u></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="undefined" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT191"><a href="callto:008%204930" onclick="window.top.Com_Zimbra_Phone.unsetOnbeforeunload()">8008 4930</a></u><br>fax
+ : +33 (0) 9 <span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="undefined" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT192"><a href="callto:008%204931" onclick="window.top.Com_Zimbra_Phone.unsetOnbeforeunload()">8008 4931</a></span><br>mob
+ : +33 (0) 6 <span class="undefined" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT193"><a href="callto:+1206%207462" onclick="window.top.Com_Zimbra_Phone.unsetOnbeforeunload()">6206 7462</a></span><br></font></div></div></div></div></div></span><span name="x"></span><br></span><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>De: </b>"Sinner from the Prairy" &lt;sinnerbofh@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>À: </b>"Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b>Envoyé: </b>Mardi 21 Septembre 2010 14:33:14<br><b>Objet: </b>Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;gejobj@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Bye.<br><br><br>In the USA, "Pot" is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) "drugs" .<br><br>I'd recommend to avoid the name "Pot".<br><br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner<br>-- <br>Sinner from the Prairy - http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/ -<br>http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/<br>Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:&nbsp; http://blogdrake.net<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br></div></body></html>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Arial; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'><span>After the i-Pad, the i-Pot<br><br><span name="x"></span><span><div><div><div><div><div><font size="5"><strong>LEZARD VISUEL</strong></font>
+ <img src="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/images/logo_couleur_petit.jpg" dfsrc="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/images/logo_couleur_petit.jpg"><br><font size="2"><strong>SIMOES Joël</strong> - <em>Directeur
+ associé</em></font><br><br><font size="2">www : <a href="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/"><span class="Object" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT189"></span></a><a target="_blank">http://www.lezard-visuel.com</a><br>e-mail : <a href="">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a><br>tel
+ : +33 (0) 9 <u></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="undefined" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT191"><a href="callto:008%204930" onclick="window.top.Com_Zimbra_Phone.unsetOnbeforeunload()">8008 4930</a></u><br>fax
+ : +33 (0) 9 <span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="undefined" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT192"><a href="callto:008%204931" onclick="window.top.Com_Zimbra_Phone.unsetOnbeforeunload()">8008 4931</a></span><br>mob
+ : +33 (0) 6 <span class="undefined" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT193"><a href="callto:+1206%207462" onclick="window.top.Com_Zimbra_Phone.unsetOnbeforeunload()">6206 7462</a></span><br></font></div></div></div></div></div></span><span name="x"></span><br></span><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>De: </b>"Sinner from the Prairy" &lt;sinnerbofh@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>À: </b>"Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b>Envoyé: </b>Mardi 21 Septembre 2010 14:33:14<br><b>Objet: </b>Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;gejobj@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Bye.<br><br><br>In the USA, "Pot" is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) "drugs" .<br><br>I'd recommend to avoid the name "Pot".<br><br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner<br>-- <br>Sinner from the Prairy - http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/ -<br>http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/<br>Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:&nbsp; http://blogdrake.net<br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br></div></body></html>
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++1 vmfBOFH <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 vfmBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2010/9/21 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org" target="_blank">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im"><div>&gt; I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position<br>
+&gt; indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or<br>
+&gt; decision) *must* be their communities one.<br>
+<br>
+</div>There is no need for representative democracy on the Internet, arranging<br>
+local poll in each community and then a global one where the community<br>
+reps vote takes more time and effort than a single global poll.<br></div></blockquote><div>�</div><div>And what about people who don&#39;t undersand english, for example?<br>�</div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+All that&#39;s needed is direct links to the global poll from the local<br>
+community web sites so everyone can partecipate.<br></blockquote></div><div><br>And what happens if the options in the poll doesn&#39;t fit with a specific community needs?<br>�<br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<div><br>
+&gt; The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have<br>
+&gt; previously elected their representatives) are represented.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Completely disagree. And what about those Mageia users that don&#39;t have a<br>
+local community or that prefer spending their time on the global forum<br>
+rather than in local forums?<br></blockquote></div><div><br>As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups whith their own voice and vote.<br><br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+Again there is zero need for a representative democracy on the Internet.<br>
+It only distorts the true wishes of the users and potentially creates<br>
+local ego-power-positions that only cause controversy and in-fights.<br></blockquote></div><div><br>I think in a representative meritocracy, in fact... No place for egos and controversy are if the work is evaluated.<br>�</div>
+<div class="im">
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div></div><br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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++1 vmfBOFH <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 vfmBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2010/9/21 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org" target="_blank">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im"><div>&gt; I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position<br>
+&gt; indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or<br>
+&gt; decision) *must* be their communities one.<br>
+<br>
+</div>There is no need for representative democracy on the Internet, arranging<br>
+local poll in each community and then a global one where the community<br>
+reps vote takes more time and effort than a single global poll.<br></div></blockquote><div>�</div><div>And what about people who don&#39;t undersand english, for example?<br>�</div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+All that&#39;s needed is direct links to the global poll from the local<br>
+community web sites so everyone can partecipate.<br></blockquote></div><div><br>And what happens if the options in the poll doesn&#39;t fit with a specific community needs?<br>�<br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<div><br>
+&gt; The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have<br>
+&gt; previously elected their representatives) are represented.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Completely disagree. And what about those Mageia users that don&#39;t have a<br>
+local community or that prefer spending their time on the global forum<br>
+rather than in local forums?<br></blockquote></div><div><br>As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups whith their own voice and vote.<br><br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br>
+Again there is zero need for a representative democracy on the Internet.<br>
+It only distorts the true wishes of the users and potentially creates<br>
+local ego-power-positions that only cause controversy and in-fights.<br></blockquote></div><div><br>I think in a representative meritocracy, in fact... No place for egos and controversy are if the work is evaluated.<br>�</div>
+<div class="im">
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div></div><br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">cauldron +1<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De :</span></b> "mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" &lt;mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">� :</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoy� le :</span></b> Mar 21 septembre 2010, 14h 33min 18s<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58<br></font><br>Send Mageia-discuss mailing list submissions to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Mageia-discuss digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>&nbsp;  1. Re: New name for cooker (Aur?lien GOLL)<br>&nbsp;  2. Re: New
+ name for cooker (Joel Simoes)<br>&nbsp;  3. Re: New name for cooker (alexandre lucazeau)<br>&nbsp;  4. Re: New name for cooker (Remy CLOUARD)<br>&nbsp;  5. Re: New name for cooker (SinnerBOFH)<br>&nbsp;  6. Re: New name for cooker (Redy Rodr?guez)<br>&nbsp;  7. Re: New name for cooker (Jure Repinc)<br>&nbsp;  8. Re: New name for cooker (Sinner from the Prairy)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:46:50 +0200<br>From: Aur?lien GOLL &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com" href="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com">aurelien.goll@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTi=<a
+ ymailto="mailto:L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com">L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>[...]<br>cauldron +1<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:51:38 +0200 (CEST)<br>From: Joel Simoes &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com" href="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;623039508.1210.1285069898248.JavaMail.root@zimbra&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>[...] <br>cauldron +1 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br>LEZARD VISUEL <br>SIMOES Jo?l - Directeur
+ associ? <br><br>www : <a href="http://www.lezard-visuel.com" target="_blank">http://www.lezard-visuel.com</a> <br>e-mail : <a ymailto="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com" href="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a> <br>tel : +33 (0) 9 8008 4930 <br>fax : +33 (0) 9 8008 4931 <br>mob : +33 (0) 6 6206 7462 <br><br><br>----- Mail original -----<br>De: "Aur?lien GOLL" &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com" href="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com">aurelien.goll@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>?: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt; <br>Envoy?: Mardi 21 Septembre 2010 13:46:50 <br>Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker <br><br>[...] <br>cauldron +1 <br>_______________________________________________ <br>Mageia-discuss mailing list <br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a> <br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a> <br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/f74c5e6e/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:57:53 +0200<br>From: alexandre lucazeau &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mornik@gmail.com" href="mailto:mornik@gmail.com">mornik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTinrcuJL57os7ufiB+7NiUE9cU+<a ymailto="mailto:LjHemB64UpRuk@mail.gmail.com"
+ href="mailto:LjHemB64UpRuk@mail.gmail.com">LjHemB64UpRuk@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>If cauldron is used by sourcemage, i suggest : wok<br><br>it's simple, easy to use, and all people use a wok for multiple cooking, not<br>?<br><br><br>&lt;<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>&gt;<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/378de6c8/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:05:24 +0200<br>From: Remy CLOUARD &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org" href="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org">shikamaru@mandriva.org</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr" href="mailto:20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr">20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>&gt; Olivier Thauvin skrev 21.9.2010 10:41:<br>&gt; &gt;Hi,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the<br>&gt; &gt;development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an<br>&gt; &gt;insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to<br>&gt; &gt;another distribution to avoid mistake.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say "oh yes, put the<br>&gt; &gt;python egg into the
+ cauldron" ;)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will<br>&gt; &gt;please to anyone.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Your ideas are welcome.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;I'll see according results how to choose one.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Regards.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 3. brewery<br>As a beer fan I like this one quite a lot.<br><br>I?m thinking of puns we could make with it like :<br><br>- Have you tasted the last brew ?<br>- Have you tested the last brew ?<br><br>Also the name reminds me of homebrew, which insists on the community<br>side of things,<br><br>just my 2 cents,<br><br>Regards,<br>-- <br>R?my CLOUARD<br>() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail<br><span>/\ <a target="_blank" href="http://www.asciiribbon.org">www.asciiribbon.org</a> - against proprietary attachments</span><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: not
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+ href="mailto:cullero@gmail.com">cullero@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; My vote for "cauldron".<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; motitos<br><br>My vote too for Cauldron<br><br>P. S. : nice seeing you here motitos :)<br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner <br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:12:15 +0200<br>From: Redy Rodr?guez &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com" href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTikSypsveiDgNhG1cS1UDDvLqV-CrNfSnG2Cv+<a ymailto="mailto:ab@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:ab@mail.gmail.com">ab@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin
+ &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;<br><br>&gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say "oh yes, put the<br>&gt; python egg into the cauldron" ;)<br>&gt;<br><br>I really like the name "cauldron".<br><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br><br>[ parolas.thebbs.org 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/ef940d1b/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:09:48 +0200<br>From: Jure Repinc &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:jlp@holodeck1.com" href="mailto:jlp@holodeck1.com">jlp@holodeck1.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com" href="mailto:201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com">201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: Text/Plain;&nbsp; charset="utf-8"<br><br>On Tuesday 21 of September 2010 09:41:30 Olivier Thauvin wrote:<br>&gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say "oh yes, put the<br>&gt; python egg into the cauldron" ;)<br>Cool, that was the first idea that came to my mind when reading the subject.<br><br>So, cauldron++<br><br>Have a great time,<br>Jure "JLP" Repinc<br><br>-- <br>Nokia Certified Qt Developer<br>Contributor to:<br>Thousand Parsec - <a href="http://www.thousandparsec.net/" target="_blank">http://www.thousandparsec.net/</a><br>KDE - <a href="http://www.kde.org/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/</a><br><br>My Blog: <a
+ href="http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/" target="_blank">http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 8<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:33:14 -0400<br>From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com" href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com">AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com"
+ href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Bye.<br><br><br>In the USA, "Pot" is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) "drugs" .<br><br>I'd recommend to avoid the name "Pot".<br><br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner<br>-- <br>Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -<br><a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/" target="_blank">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a><br>Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:? <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">cauldron +1<div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De :</span></b> "mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" &lt;mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">� :</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoy� le :</span></b> Mar 21 septembre 2010, 14h 33min 18s<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58<br></font><br>Send Mageia-discuss mailing list submissions to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Mageia-discuss digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>&nbsp;  1. Re: New name for cooker (Aur?lien GOLL)<br>&nbsp;  2. Re: New
+ name for cooker (Joel Simoes)<br>&nbsp;  3. Re: New name for cooker (alexandre lucazeau)<br>&nbsp;  4. Re: New name for cooker (Remy CLOUARD)<br>&nbsp;  5. Re: New name for cooker (SinnerBOFH)<br>&nbsp;  6. Re: New name for cooker (Redy Rodr?guez)<br>&nbsp;  7. Re: New name for cooker (Jure Repinc)<br>&nbsp;  8. Re: New name for cooker (Sinner from the Prairy)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:46:50 +0200<br>From: Aur?lien GOLL &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com" href="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com">aurelien.goll@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTi=<a
+ ymailto="mailto:L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com">L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>[...]<br>cauldron +1<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:51:38 +0200 (CEST)<br>From: Joel Simoes &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com" href="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;623039508.1210.1285069898248.JavaMail.root@zimbra&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>[...] <br>cauldron +1 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br>LEZARD VISUEL <br>SIMOES Jo?l - Directeur
+ associ? <br><br>www : <a href="http://www.lezard-visuel.com" target="_blank">http://www.lezard-visuel.com</a> <br>e-mail : <a ymailto="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com" href="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a> <br>tel : +33 (0) 9 8008 4930 <br>fax : +33 (0) 9 8008 4931 <br>mob : +33 (0) 6 6206 7462 <br><br><br>----- Mail original -----<br>De: "Aur?lien GOLL" &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com" href="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com">aurelien.goll@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>?: "Mageia general discussions" &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt; <br>Envoy?: Mardi 21 Septembre 2010 13:46:50 <br>Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker <br><br>[...] <br>cauldron +1 <br>_______________________________________________ <br>Mageia-discuss mailing list <br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a> <br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a> <br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/f74c5e6e/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:57:53 +0200<br>From: alexandre lucazeau &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mornik@gmail.com" href="mailto:mornik@gmail.com">mornik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTinrcuJL57os7ufiB+7NiUE9cU+<a ymailto="mailto:LjHemB64UpRuk@mail.gmail.com"
+ href="mailto:LjHemB64UpRuk@mail.gmail.com">LjHemB64UpRuk@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>If cauldron is used by sourcemage, i suggest : wok<br><br>it's simple, easy to use, and all people use a wok for multiple cooking, not<br>?<br><br><br>&lt;<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>&gt;<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/378de6c8/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:05:24 +0200<br>From: Remy CLOUARD &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org" href="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org">shikamaru@mandriva.org</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr" href="mailto:20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr">20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>&gt; Olivier Thauvin skrev 21.9.2010 10:41:<br>&gt; &gt;Hi,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the<br>&gt; &gt;development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an<br>&gt; &gt;insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to<br>&gt; &gt;another distribution to avoid mistake.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say "oh yes, put the<br>&gt; &gt;python egg into the
+ cauldron" ;)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will<br>&gt; &gt;please to anyone.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Your ideas are welcome.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;I'll see according results how to choose one.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Regards.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 3. brewery<br>As a beer fan I like this one quite a lot.<br><br>I?m thinking of puns we could make with it like :<br><br>- Have you tasted the last brew ?<br>- Have you tested the last brew ?<br><br>Also the name reminds me of homebrew, which insists on the community<br>side of things,<br><br>just my 2 cents,<br><br>Regards,<br>-- <br>R?my CLOUARD<br>() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail<br><span>/\ <a target="_blank" href="http://www.asciiribbon.org">www.asciiribbon.org</a> - against proprietary attachments</span><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...<br>Name: not
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+ href="mailto:cullero@gmail.com">cullero@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; My vote for "cauldron".<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; motitos<br><br>My vote too for Cauldron<br><br>P. S. : nice seeing you here motitos :)<br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner <br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:12:15 +0200<br>From: Redy Rodr?guez &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com" href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTikSypsveiDgNhG1cS1UDDvLqV-CrNfSnG2Cv+<a ymailto="mailto:ab@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:ab@mail.gmail.com">ab@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br>2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin
+ &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;<br><br>&gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say "oh yes, put the<br>&gt; python egg into the cauldron" ;)<br>&gt;<br><br>I really like the name "cauldron".<br><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br><br>[ parolas.thebbs.org 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100921/ef940d1b/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:09:48 +0200<br>From: Jure Repinc &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:jlp@holodeck1.com" href="mailto:jlp@holodeck1.com">jlp@holodeck1.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com" href="mailto:201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com">201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: Text/Plain;&nbsp; charset="utf-8"<br><br>On Tuesday 21 of September 2010 09:41:30 Olivier Thauvin wrote:<br>&gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say "oh yes, put the<br>&gt; python egg into the cauldron" ;)<br>Cool, that was the first idea that came to my mind when reading the subject.<br><br>So, cauldron++<br><br>Have a great time,<br>Jure "JLP" Repinc<br><br>-- <br>Nokia Certified Qt Developer<br>Contributor to:<br>Thousand Parsec - <a href="http://www.thousandparsec.net/" target="_blank">http://www.thousandparsec.net/</a><br>KDE - <a href="http://www.kde.org/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/</a><br><br>My Blog: <a
+ href="http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/" target="_blank">http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 8<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:33:14 -0400<br>From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com" href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com">AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com"
+ href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Bye.<br><br><br>In the USA, "Pot" is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) "drugs" .<br><br>I'd recommend to avoid the name "Pot".<br><br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner<br>-- <br>Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -<br><a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/" target="_blank">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a><br>Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:? <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:52:33 +0200, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/" target="_blank">http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/</a><br>
+<br>
+I gave up trying to use that site. Said I had to register, but could<br>
+not move on from &#39;register&#39;!<br>
+<br>
+Why does the<br>
+<br>
+    <a href="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he" target="_blank">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he</a><br>
+spe<br>
+pronunciation differ from others in here?!<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br> </font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The first link is the right and you dont have to register You click on the speaker on the left</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>the second link is not right. For the accent i can understand that is a greek that he lives in america for many many years or he is a second generation of greeks in the USA and he has lost the greek pronnounciation</div>
+</div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:52:33 +0200, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/" target="_blank">http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/</a><br>
+<br>
+I gave up trying to use that site. Said I had to register, but could<br>
+not move on from &#39;register&#39;!<br>
+<br>
+Why does the<br>
+<br>
+    <a href="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he" target="_blank">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he</a><br>
+spe<br>
+pronunciation differ from others in here?!<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br> </font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>The first link is the right and you dont have to register You click on the speaker on the left</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>the second link is not right. For the accent i can understand that is a greek that he lives in america for many many years or he is a second generation of greeks in the USA and he has lost the greek pronnounciation</div>
+</div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Miguel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cullero@gmail.com">cullero@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+My vote for &quot;cauldron&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+motitos<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br></div></div></blockquote><div>Well, to stay logical about naming, and since mageia comes from greek, why not referring entirely to it:<br><br>We could use the greek mythology for names (including former mandriva control center and so on), this would bring a little of &quot;culture&quot; in our bench lab, and would probably be appreciated by all, see:<br>
+�<br></div></div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology</a><br><br>So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:<br><br>&quot; He was the god of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology" title="Technology">technology</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksmith" title="Blacksmith">blacksmiths</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craft" title="Craft">craftsmen</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artisan" title="Artisan">artisans</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture" title="Sculpture">sculptors</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal" title="Metal">metals</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy" title="Metallurgy">metallurgy</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_%28classical_element%29" title="Fire (classical element)">fire</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano" title="Volcano">volcanoes</a>&quot;<br>
+<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</a><br><br>WDYT?<br><br>Stef<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Miguel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cullero@gmail.com">cullero@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+My vote for &quot;cauldron&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+motitos<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br></div></div></blockquote><div>Well, to stay logical about naming, and since mageia comes from greek, why not referring entirely to it:<br><br>We could use the greek mythology for names (including former mandriva control center and so on), this would bring a little of &quot;culture&quot; in our bench lab, and would probably be appreciated by all, see:<br>
+�<br></div></div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology</a><br><br>So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:<br><br>&quot; He was the god of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology" title="Technology">technology</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksmith" title="Blacksmith">blacksmiths</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craft" title="Craft">craftsmen</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artisan" title="Artisan">artisans</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture" title="Sculpture">sculptors</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal" title="Metal">metals</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy" title="Metallurgy">metallurgy</a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_%28classical_element%29" title="Fire (classical element)">fire</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano" title="Volcano">volcanoes</a>&quot;<br>
+<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</a><br><br>WDYT?<br><br>Stef<br>
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+<div>If cauldron is used by sourcemage, i suggest : wok</div><div><br></div><div>it&#39;s simple, easy to use, and all people use a wok for multiple cooking, not ?</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank"><br>
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+<div>If cauldron is used by sourcemage, i suggest : wok</div><div><br></div><div>it&#39;s simple, easy to use, and all people use a wok for multiple cooking, not ?</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank"><br>
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+<div>Think about these too:<br></div><div><br></div><div>[...]</div><div>Edge, for the same reason and for honor of the company Edge-IT</div>
+<div>[...]</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I like Edge�</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div>Think about these too:<br></div><div><br></div><div>[...]</div><div>Edge, for the same reason and for honor of the company Edge-IT</div>
+<div>[...]</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I like Edge�</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div>Think about these too:<br></div><div><br></div><div>[...]</div><div>Edge, for the same reason and for honor of the company Edge-IT</div>
+<div>[...]</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I like Edge�</div></div>
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+<div>Think about these too:<br></div><div><br></div><div>[...]</div><div>Edge, for the same reason and for honor of the company Edge-IT</div>
+<div>[...]</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I like Edge�</div></div>
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+Cauldron +1<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Jean-Fran�ois BELLANGER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jean_francois.bellanger@yahoo.fr">jean_francois.bellanger@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">cauldron +1<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
+<font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold">De :</span></b> &quot;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+<b><span style="font-weight:bold">� :</span></b> <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><b><span style="font-weight:bold">Envoy� le :</span></b> Mar 21 septembre 2010, 14h 33min 18s<br>
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+ name for cooker (Joel Simoes)<br>�  3. Re: New name for cooker (alexandre lucazeau)<br>�  4. Re: New name for cooker (Remy CLOUARD)<br>�  5. Re: New name for cooker (SinnerBOFH)<br>�  6. Re: New name for cooker (Redy Rodr?guez)<br>
+�  7. Re: New name for cooker (Jure Repinc)<br>�  8. Re: New name for cooker (Sinner from the Prairy)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:46:50 +0200<br>
+From: Aur?lien GOLL &lt;<a href="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com" target="_blank">aurelien.goll@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>��� &lt;AANLkTi=<a href="mailto:L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>[...]<br>cauldron +1<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:51:38 +0200 (CEST)<br>From: Joel Simoes &lt;<a href="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com" target="_blank">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;623039508.1210.1285069898248.JavaMail.root@zimbra&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br><br>[...] <br>cauldron +1 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br>LEZARD VISUEL <br>SIMOES Jo?l - Directeur
+ associ? <br><br>www : <a href="http://www.lezard-visuel.com" target="_blank">http://www.lezard-visuel.com</a> <br>e-mail : <a href="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com" target="_blank">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a> <br>
+tel : +33 (0) 9 8008 4930 <br>fax : +33 (0) 9 8008 4931 <br>mob : +33 (0) 6 6206 7462 <br><br><br>----- Mail original -----<br>De: &quot;Aur?lien GOLL&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com" target="_blank">aurelien.goll@gmail.com</a>&gt; <br>
+?: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt; <br>Envoy?: Mardi 21 Septembre 2010 13:46:50 <br>Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker <br>
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+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:57:53 +0200<br>From: alexandre lucazeau &lt;<a href="mailto:mornik@gmail.com" target="_blank">mornik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>��� &lt;AANLkTinrcuJL57os7ufiB+7NiUE9cU+<a href="mailto:LjHemB64UpRuk@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">LjHemB64UpRuk@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;<br>
+<br>If cauldron is used by sourcemage, i suggest : wok<br><br>it&#39;s simple, easy to use, and all people use a wok for multiple cooking, not<br>?<br><br><br>&lt;<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>&gt;<br>
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+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:05:24 +0200<br>From: Remy CLOUARD &lt;<a href="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org" target="_blank">shikamaru@mandriva.org</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr" target="_blank">20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>&gt; Olivier Thauvin skrev 21.9.2010 10:41:<br>&gt; &gt;Hi,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the<br>
+&gt; &gt;development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an<br>&gt; &gt;insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to<br>
+&gt; &gt;another distribution to avoid mistake.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>&gt; &gt;python egg into the
+ cauldron&quot; ;)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will<br>&gt; &gt;please to anyone.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Your ideas are welcome.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;I&#39;ll see according results how to choose one.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Regards.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 3. brewery<br>As a beer fan I like this one quite a lot.<br><br>I?m thinking of puns we could make with it like :<br><br>- Have you tasted the last brew ?<br>- Have you tested the last brew ?<br>
+<br>Also the name reminds me of homebrew, which insists on the community<br>side of things,<br><br>just my 2 cents,<br><br>Regards,<br>-- <br>R?my CLOUARD<br>() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail<br><span>/\ <a href="http://www.asciiribbon.org" target="_blank">www.asciiribbon.org</a> - against proprietary attachments</span><br>
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+<br>Message: 5<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:06:41 -0400<br>From: SinnerBOFH &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com" target="_blank">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:581481C6-2BB3-400A-9B47-77E971417A9B@gmail.com" target="_blank">581481C6-2BB3-400A-9B47-77E971417A9B@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain;��� charset=us-ascii<br>
+<br>On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Miguel &lt;<a href="mailto:cullero@gmail.com" target="_blank">cullero@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; My vote for &quot;cauldron&quot;.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; motitos<br><br>
+My vote too for Cauldron<br><br>P. S. : nice seeing you here motitos :)<br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner <br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:12:15 +0200<br>From: Redy Rodr?guez &lt;<a href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com" target="_blank">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>��� &lt;AANLkTikSypsveiDgNhG1cS1UDDvLqV-CrNfSnG2Cv+<a href="mailto:ab@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">ab@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;<br><br>2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin
+ &lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;<br><br>&gt; First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>&gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)<br>
+&gt;<br><br>I really like the name &quot;cauldron&quot;.<br><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br><br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org" target="_blank">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br>
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+<br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:09:48 +0200<br>From: Jure Repinc &lt;<a href="mailto:jlp@holodeck1.com" target="_blank">jlp@holodeck1.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com" target="_blank">201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: Text/Plain;� charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>On Tuesday 21 of September 2010 09:41:30 Olivier Thauvin wrote:<br>&gt; First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>&gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)<br>Cool, that was the first idea that came to my mind when reading the subject.<br>
+<br>So, cauldron++<br><br>Have a great time,<br>Jure &quot;JLP&quot; Repinc<br><br>-- <br>Nokia Certified Qt Developer<br>Contributor to:<br>Thousand Parsec - <a href="http://www.thousandparsec.net/" target="_blank">http://www.thousandparsec.net/</a><br>
+KDE - <a href="http://www.kde.org/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/</a><br><br>My Blog: <a href="http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/" target="_blank">http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br>
+<br>Message: 8<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:33:14 -0400<br>From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com" target="_blank">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>��� &lt;<a href="mailto:AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<a href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com" target="_blank">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about &#39;pot&#39;?<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; &#39;Mageia Pot&#39; sound good too, isn&#39;t it?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Bye.<br><br><br>In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .<br><br>I&#39;d recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.<br>
+<br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner<br>-- <br>Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -<br><a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/" target="_blank">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a><br>
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+Cauldron +1<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Jean-Fran�ois BELLANGER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jean_francois.bellanger@yahoo.fr">jean_francois.bellanger@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">cauldron +1<div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
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+From: Aur?lien GOLL &lt;<a href="mailto:aurelien.goll@gmail.com" target="_blank">aurelien.goll@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>��� &lt;AANLkTi=<a href="mailto:L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>[...]<br>cauldron +1<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:51:38 +0200 (CEST)<br>From: Joel Simoes &lt;<a href="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com" target="_blank">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;623039508.1210.1285069898248.JavaMail.root@zimbra&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br><br>[...] <br>cauldron +1 <br><br><br><br><br><br><br>LEZARD VISUEL <br>SIMOES Jo?l - Directeur
+ associ? <br><br>www : <a href="http://www.lezard-visuel.com" target="_blank">http://www.lezard-visuel.com</a> <br>e-mail : <a href="mailto:joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com" target="_blank">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a> <br>
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+?: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt; <br>Envoy?: Mardi 21 Septembre 2010 13:46:50 <br>Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker <br>
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+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:57:53 +0200<br>From: alexandre lucazeau &lt;<a href="mailto:mornik@gmail.com" target="_blank">mornik@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
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+<br>If cauldron is used by sourcemage, i suggest : wok<br><br>it&#39;s simple, easy to use, and all people use a wok for multiple cooking, not<br>?<br><br><br>&lt;<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>&gt;<br>
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+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:05:24 +0200<br>From: Remy CLOUARD &lt;<a href="mailto:shikamaru@mandriva.org" target="_blank">shikamaru@mandriva.org</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr" target="_blank">20100921120524.GA25464@shikamaru.fr</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>&gt; Olivier Thauvin skrev 21.9.2010 10:41:<br>&gt; &gt;Hi,<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the<br>
+&gt; &gt;development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an<br>&gt; &gt;insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to<br>
+&gt; &gt;another distribution to avoid mistake.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>&gt; &gt;python egg into the
+ cauldron&quot; ;)<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will<br>&gt; &gt;please to anyone.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Your ideas are welcome.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;I&#39;ll see according results how to choose one.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;Regards.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 3. brewery<br>As a beer fan I like this one quite a lot.<br><br>I?m thinking of puns we could make with it like :<br><br>- Have you tasted the last brew ?<br>- Have you tested the last brew ?<br>
+<br>Also the name reminds me of homebrew, which insists on the community<br>side of things,<br><br>just my 2 cents,<br><br>Regards,<br>-- <br>R?my CLOUARD<br>() ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail<br><span>/\ <a href="http://www.asciiribbon.org" target="_blank">www.asciiribbon.org</a> - against proprietary attachments</span><br>
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+<br>Message: 5<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:06:41 -0400<br>From: SinnerBOFH &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com" target="_blank">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:581481C6-2BB3-400A-9B47-77E971417A9B@gmail.com" target="_blank">581481C6-2BB3-400A-9B47-77E971417A9B@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain;��� charset=us-ascii<br>
+<br>On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Miguel &lt;<a href="mailto:cullero@gmail.com" target="_blank">cullero@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>&gt; My vote for &quot;cauldron&quot;.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; motitos<br><br>
+My vote too for Cauldron<br><br>P. S. : nice seeing you here motitos :)<br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner <br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:12:15 +0200<br>From: Redy Rodr?guez &lt;<a href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com" target="_blank">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>��� &lt;AANLkTikSypsveiDgNhG1cS1UDDvLqV-CrNfSnG2Cv+<a href="mailto:ab@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">ab@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;<br><br>2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin
+ &lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;<br><br>&gt; First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>&gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)<br>
+&gt;<br><br>I really like the name &quot;cauldron&quot;.<br><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br><br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org" target="_blank">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br>
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+<br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:09:48 +0200<br>From: Jure Repinc &lt;<a href="mailto:jlp@holodeck1.com" target="_blank">jlp@holodeck1.com</a>&gt;<br>To: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com" target="_blank">201009211409.49232.jlp@holodeck1.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: Text/Plain;� charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>On Tuesday 21 of September 2010 09:41:30 Olivier Thauvin wrote:<br>&gt; First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>&gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)<br>Cool, that was the first idea that came to my mind when reading the subject.<br>
+<br>So, cauldron++<br><br>Have a great time,<br>Jure &quot;JLP&quot; Repinc<br><br>-- <br>Nokia Certified Qt Developer<br>Contributor to:<br>Thousand Parsec - <a href="http://www.thousandparsec.net/" target="_blank">http://www.thousandparsec.net/</a><br>
+KDE - <a href="http://www.kde.org/" target="_blank">http://www.kde.org/</a><br><br>My Blog: <a href="http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/" target="_blank">http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/</a><br><br><br>------------------------------<br>
+<br>Message: 8<br>Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:33:14 -0400<br>From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com" target="_blank">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>Message-ID:<br>��� &lt;<a href="mailto:AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<a href="mailto:gejobj@gmail.com" target="_blank">gejobj@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about &#39;pot&#39;?<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; &#39;Mageia Pot&#39; sound good too, isn&#39;t it?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Bye.<br><br><br>In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .<br><br>I&#39;d recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.<br>
+<br><br>Salut,<br>Sinner<br>-- <br>Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -<br><a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/" target="_blank">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Per �yvind Karlsen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Frank Griffin &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Jostein Hauge wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If Lapr�vote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should<br>
+&gt;&gt; be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us<br>
+&gt;&gt; would<br>
+&gt;&gt; love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make<br>
+&gt;&gt; to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; When someone reach out a hand, don&#39;t turn your back on it. Instead you could<br>
+&gt;&gt; indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration<br>
+&gt;&gt; possible. Just saying &#39;no I wont collaborate at all&#39; makes this look more<br>
+&gt;&gt; like<br>
+&gt;&gt; a vendetta than a constructive initiative.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; +1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going<br>
+&gt; downhill fast.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As with any business, MDV will do what&#39;s (perceived as) good for MDV,<br>
+&gt; whether or not that seems respectful to the community. �I&#39;d be the last<br>
+&gt; one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded<br>
+&gt; long ago. �But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don&#39;t expect<br>
+&gt; their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to<br>
+&gt; please shareholders. �They probably don&#39;t know we exist.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In this case, MDV (= Lapr�vote) seems to think that a foundation is good<br>
+&gt; for MDV, so I&#39;d have a lot more confidence that they will back it than I<br>
+&gt; would otherwise. �And once they go down that path, it would be very<br>
+&gt; difficult to reverse.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be,<br>
+&gt; remember the old saying: &quot;the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the<br>
+&gt; bread of another&quot;. �If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host a<br>
+&gt; foundation of the type in which you&#39;re interested, *and* are willing to<br>
+&gt; let the community control it, just go forward from there.<br>
+</div></div>You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion<br>
+on this, and also there&#39;s been a general total consensus about the<br>
+benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the<br>
+whole thing.<br>
+<br>
+The issue here isn&#39;t that Mandriva is only interested in the<br>
+foundation out of it&#39;s own interest, but rather about the fact that<br>
+Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal<br>
+vendetta.<br>
+<br>
+This isn&#39;t something originally coming from the management of the<br>
+company, it&#39;s been something first proposed around the beginning of<br>
+the century by G�el Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for<br>
+discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a<br>
+while!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Per �yvind<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br>
+Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I&#39;m hoping for an independent SCM repository 
+as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see where branching can be taken advantage of, but as
+ mentioned before it would take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the 
+Mandriva svn and to account for growth.<br><br>Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from that, then a distribution. It just doesn&#39;t work that way. It&#39;s obvious that many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to roll/spin/create a distro and the enormous amount of setup and organization that goes into it. So I&#39;m not going to address them. <br>
+<br>So what do we say? Can we get something going here? A comment from all?<br><br>Regards,<br>Matthew Dawkins<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Per �yvind Karlsen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Frank Griffin &lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Jostein Hauge wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If Lapr�vote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should<br>
+&gt;&gt; be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us<br>
+&gt;&gt; would<br>
+&gt;&gt; love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make<br>
+&gt;&gt; to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; When someone reach out a hand, don&#39;t turn your back on it. Instead you could<br>
+&gt;&gt; indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration<br>
+&gt;&gt; possible. Just saying &#39;no I wont collaborate at all&#39; makes this look more<br>
+&gt;&gt; like<br>
+&gt;&gt; a vendetta than a constructive initiative.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; +1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going<br>
+&gt; downhill fast.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As with any business, MDV will do what&#39;s (perceived as) good for MDV,<br>
+&gt; whether or not that seems respectful to the community. �I&#39;d be the last<br>
+&gt; one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded<br>
+&gt; long ago. �But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don&#39;t expect<br>
+&gt; their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to<br>
+&gt; please shareholders. �They probably don&#39;t know we exist.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In this case, MDV (= Lapr�vote) seems to think that a foundation is good<br>
+&gt; for MDV, so I&#39;d have a lot more confidence that they will back it than I<br>
+&gt; would otherwise. �And once they go down that path, it would be very<br>
+&gt; difficult to reverse.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be,<br>
+&gt; remember the old saying: &quot;the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the<br>
+&gt; bread of another&quot;. �If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host a<br>
+&gt; foundation of the type in which you&#39;re interested, *and* are willing to<br>
+&gt; let the community control it, just go forward from there.<br>
+</div></div>You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion<br>
+on this, and also there&#39;s been a general total consensus about the<br>
+benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the<br>
+whole thing.<br>
+<br>
+The issue here isn&#39;t that Mandriva is only interested in the<br>
+foundation out of it&#39;s own interest, but rather about the fact that<br>
+Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal<br>
+vendetta.<br>
+<br>
+This isn&#39;t something originally coming from the management of the<br>
+company, it&#39;s been something first proposed around the beginning of<br>
+the century by G�el Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for<br>
+discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a<br>
+while!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Per �yvind<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br>
+Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I&#39;m hoping for an independent SCM repository 
+as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see where branching can be taken advantage of, but as
+ mentioned before it would take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the 
+Mandriva svn and to account for growth.<br><br>Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from that, then a distribution. It just doesn&#39;t work that way. It&#39;s obvious that many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to roll/spin/create a distro and the enormous amount of setup and organization that goes into it. So I&#39;m not going to address them. <br>
+<br>So what do we say? Can we get something going here? A comment from all?<br><br>Regards,<br>Matthew Dawkins<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 2010-09-21 04:28, Jan Ciger a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Stéphane Téletchéa&lt;<a href="mailto:steletch@gmail.com" target="_blank">steletch@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:<br>
+<br>
+&quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors,<br>
+metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</a><br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+Stef<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Guys, let&#39;s keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It<br>
+will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and<br>
+such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.<br>
+Cooker was good from this point of view.<br>
+<br>
+Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.<br>
+<br>
+For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the<br>
+&quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,<br>
+keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or<br>
+&quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.<br>
+<br>
+J.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Mystique ??<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc</font></blockquote></div><br><br>Synergy: where all work together<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy</a><br><br>Agora: The place where everybody discuting<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora</a><br>
+<br>Delphi: The magical place <br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi</a><br><br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 2010-09-21 04:28, Jan Ciger a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Stéphane Téletchéa&lt;<a href="mailto:steletch@gmail.com" target="_blank">steletch@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:<br>
+<br>
+&quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors,<br>
+metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</a><br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+Stef<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Guys, let&#39;s keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It<br>
+will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and<br>
+such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.<br>
+Cooker was good from this point of view.<br>
+<br>
+Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.<br>
+<br>
+For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the<br>
+&quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,<br>
+keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or<br>
+&quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.<br>
+<br>
+J.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Mystique ??<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc</font></blockquote></div><br><br>Synergy: where all work together<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy</a><br><br>Agora: The place where everybody discuting<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora</a><br>
+<br>Delphi: The magical place <br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi</a><br><br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    El 21/09/10 15:35, Andr&eacute; Machado escribi&oacute;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:20100921130524.1E6BFCE7@resin06.mta.everyone.net"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">I'd have a insight: Mageia = Magic + Idea. Put a lamp in somewhere!
+
+
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+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="" title="">I
+        have proposed this model:
+        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+        , </span></span><span id="result_box" class="long_text
+      short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
+        color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">on the other hand</span></span><span
+      id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="" title="">, an
+        idea, always a good concept.</span></span>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    El 21/09/10 15:35, Andr&eacute; Machado escribi&oacute;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:20100921130524.1E6BFCE7@resin06.mta.everyone.net"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">I'd have a insight: Mageia = Magic + Idea. Put a lamp in somewhere!
+
+
+_____________________________________________________________
+Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.DCemail.com">http://www.DCemail.com</a> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.DCpages.com">http://www.DCpages.com</a>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="" title="">I
+        have proposed this model:
+        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+        , </span></span><span id="result_box" class="long_text
+      short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);
+        color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">on the other hand</span></span><span
+      id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="" title="">, an
+        idea, always a good concept.</span></span>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div>Think about these too:<br></div><div><br></div><div>Because the &quot;cooker&quot; is the distribution that is in advance in software and technologies :</div><div>Pioneer,</div><div>or</div><div>Edge, for the same reason and for honor of the company Edge-IT</div>
+<div>or </div><div>Campus, because of the application of new technologies</div><div><br></div><div>it is only proposals, the most we have the better is :)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<div>Think about these too:<br></div><div><br></div><div>Because the &quot;cooker&quot; is the distribution that is in advance in software and technologies :</div><div>Pioneer,</div><div>or</div><div>Edge, for the same reason and for honor of the company Edge-IT</div>
+<div>or </div><div>Campus, because of the application of new technologies</div><div><br></div><div>it is only proposals, the most we have the better is :)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 September 2010 15:15, SinnerBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Thomas Lottmann &lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Also local communities can package software just for their needs and<br>
+&gt;&gt; won&#39;t placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study<br>
+&gt;&gt; tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye<br>
+&gt;&gt; repository (MVT)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language, turkish for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our efforts in Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible having too many different repositories. Programs are usually not territory dependant.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; That&#39;s out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many extra repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would even force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo and then access te program they were looking for. So, that&#39;s just no to me.<br>
+
+<br>
+</div>+1<br>
+<br>
+The easiest it is for the user, the better.<br>
+<br>
+Now with globalization, you can find anywhere on the world someone from anywhere of the world.<br>
+<br>
+As an ex-pat I know what I&#39;m talking about.<br>
+<br>
+Salut,<br>
+Sinner<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div>�Just a quick heads up. There is a Mageia-uk irc channel.<br>i don&#39;t think having lots of country specific repos is a good idea, lets have all the packages available to every one, if they have a clear description about them then people can make up there own mind whether to install say a french tv guide on an english located pc, as long as we can get enough people translating.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 September 2010 15:15, SinnerBOFH <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Thomas Lottmann &lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Also local communities can package software just for their needs and<br>
+&gt;&gt; won&#39;t placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study<br>
+&gt;&gt; tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye<br>
+&gt;&gt; repository (MVT)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language, turkish for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our efforts in Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible having too many different repositories. Programs are usually not territory dependant.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; That&#39;s out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many extra repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would even force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo and then access te program they were looking for. So, that&#39;s just no to me.<br>
+
+<br>
+</div>+1<br>
+<br>
+The easiest it is for the user, the better.<br>
+<br>
+Now with globalization, you can find anywhere on the world someone from anywhere of the world.<br>
+<br>
+As an ex-pat I know what I&#39;m talking about.<br>
+<br>
+Salut,<br>
+Sinner<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div>�Just a quick heads up. There is a Mageia-uk irc channel.<br>i don&#39;t think having lots of country specific repos is a good idea, lets have all the packages available to every one, if they have a clear description about them then people can make up there own mind whether to install say a french tv guide on an english located pc, as long as we can get enough people translating.<br>
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+I think it is too fuzzy...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Redy Rodríguez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com" target="_blank">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com" target="_blank">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+
+In that case, if we&#39;re talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it?</blockquote></div></div><br><br>¿Open clipart library crystal ball: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413</a>?<br><br><a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</a><br>
+
+
+
+<a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</a><br clear="all"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+
+
+
+<br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org" target="_blank">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br>W<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font></blockquote></div></div></div><br>With some (4-5) bubbles of oxygen in the top of the crystal, as the potion is cooking !<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+I think it is too fuzzy...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Redy Rodríguez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com" target="_blank">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com" target="_blank">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+
+In that case, if we&#39;re talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it?</blockquote></div></div><br><br>¿Open clipart library crystal ball: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413</a>?<br><br><a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</a><br>
+
+
+
+<a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</a><br clear="all"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+
+
+
+<br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org" target="_blank">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br>W<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font></blockquote></div></div></div><br>With some (4-5) bubbles of oxygen in the top of the crystal, as the potion is cooking !<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<style> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }</style>I was thinking about "stewpot", but cauldron is basically the same. All depends in what kind of "magic" we're thinking about: (witch, magician, wizard, or druid).<br>
+<br>
+Bah, is more than the same, the concept is the most important. I think cauldron sounds great.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<br>
+Sergio Fernández Cordero
+<br>
+Webmaster - Admin
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.proyectopqmc.com">PROYECTOPQMC.COM</a> - Chorradas y frikismo a cascoporro
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.arcardes.com">ARCARDES.COM</a> - Opine sobre la labor del alcalde o alcaldesa de su municipio.<br>
+ <br>
+<br>
+<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Tue 21/09/10 09:54, "patrick.2" patrick.2@laposte.net wrote:<br>
+</span><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(245, 245, 245); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px;">Le Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:47:17 +0200,<br>
+
+pomgest &lt;<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('pomgest@gmail.com','','','')">pomgest@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+
+<br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; "Cauldron" is nice. It was my first thought.</span><br>
+
+<br>
+
+ It's so Nice :)<br>
+
+<br>
+
+ The name in grec is "κουζίνα" i think, it's not bad too.<br>
+
+<br>
+
+-- <br>
+
+Patrick.<br>
+
+envoye depuis le monde libre ...<br>
+
+par un Pc sous Mandriva 2011.0 ( cooker ) !<br>
+
+Claws-Mail 3.7.6 - xfce 4.6.2<br>
+
+_______________________________________________<br>
+
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+
+M<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('ageia-discuss@mageia.org','','','')">ageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+
+<a target="_blank" href="parse.php?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmageia-discuss"><span style="color: red;">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</span></a><br>
+
+<br>
+
+</blockquote><BR></HTML>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<style> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }</style>I was thinking about "stewpot", but cauldron is basically the same. All depends in what kind of "magic" we're thinking about: (witch, magician, wizard, or druid).<br>
+<br>
+Bah, is more than the same, the concept is the most important. I think cauldron sounds great.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<br>
+Sergio Fernández Cordero
+<br>
+Webmaster - Admin
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.proyectopqmc.com">PROYECTOPQMC.COM</a> - Chorradas y frikismo a cascoporro
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.arcardes.com">ARCARDES.COM</a> - Opine sobre la labor del alcalde o alcaldesa de su municipio.<br>
+ <br>
+<br>
+<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Tue 21/09/10 09:54, "patrick.2" patrick.2@laposte.net wrote:<br>
+</span><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(245, 245, 245); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px;">Le Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:47:17 +0200,<br>
+
+pomgest &lt;<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('pomgest@gmail.com','','','')">pomgest@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+
+<br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; "Cauldron" is nice. It was my first thought.</span><br>
+
+<br>
+
+ It's so Nice :)<br>
+
+<br>
+
+ The name in grec is "κουζίνα" i think, it's not bad too.<br>
+
+<br>
+
+-- <br>
+
+Patrick.<br>
+
+envoye depuis le monde libre ...<br>
+
+par un Pc sous Mandriva 2011.0 ( cooker ) !<br>
+
+Claws-Mail 3.7.6 - xfce 4.6.2<br>
+
+_______________________________________________<br>
+
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+
+M<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('ageia-discuss@mageia.org','','','')">ageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+
+<a target="_blank" href="parse.php?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmageia-discuss"><span style="color: red;">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</span></a><br>
+
+<br>
+
+</blockquote><BR></HTML>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:30:57 +0100, I wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!<br>
+<br>
+  OK - I now see it all described on Wikipedia, but the<br>
+notes on *pronunciation* there do not agree with that given by:<br>
+<br>
+   <a href="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095" target="_blank">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095</a><br>
+<br>
+(which gives &quot;mah-GAY-ah&quot;)<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps there should be an agreed pronunciation (to avoid the problem<br>
+some people have with &quot;Linux&quot;!)<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>The right in greek is this <br></div><div><a href="http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/">http://www.forvo.com/word/μαγεία/</a></div><div><br></div><div>The greek pronouncation of the word Mageia (Μαγεία) is Ma-yeé-a . The yeé is the same when you say in english &#39;young&#39; the first syllabe.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>You cannot say ma - geï (gay)-a because in greek the ei=i (like ει-ρή-νη=I-re-ne <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene</a> )</div><div>Only when it has the two points over the i (εϊ) is ay (like fame)</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>With the latin leters, i am not sure but i think [mah-JEE-ah] is the right</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:30:57 +0100, I wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!<br>
+<br>
+  OK - I now see it all described on Wikipedia, but the<br>
+notes on *pronunciation* there do not agree with that given by:<br>
+<br>
+   <a href="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095" target="_blank">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095</a><br>
+<br>
+(which gives &quot;mah-GAY-ah&quot;)<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps there should be an agreed pronunciation (to avoid the problem<br>
+some people have with &quot;Linux&quot;!)<br>
+</blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>The right in greek is this <br></div><div><a href="http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/">http://www.forvo.com/word/μαγεία/</a></div><div><br></div><div>The greek pronouncation of the word Mageia (Μαγεία) is Ma-yeé-a . The yeé is the same when you say in english &#39;young&#39; the first syllabe.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>You cannot say ma - geï (gay)-a because in greek the ei=i (like ει-ρή-νη=I-re-ne <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene</a> )</div><div>Only when it has the two points over the i (εϊ) is ay (like fame)</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>With the latin leters, i am not sure but i think [mah-JEE-ah] is the right</div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin &lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; * Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI (<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Monday 20 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive<br>
+&gt;&gt;  from Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; who wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; My own opinion is that the issue that lead to the creation of PLF would<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; still apply.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; One thing we should try if possible is to have is support in Easy Urpmi<br>
+&gt;&gt; ( <a href="http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/" target="_blank">http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/</a> ) as it is a great help when setting up a system.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Must be seen with easyurpmi team. Easyurpmi is an independant project.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Once Mageia has a repo I am sure we can integrate that in smarturpmi:<br>
+<a href="http://smarturpmi.mandrivauser.de" target="_blank">http://smarturpmi.mandrivauser.de</a> (maybe then <a href="http://smarturpmi.mageia.de" target="_blank">smarturpmi.mageia.de</a>)<br>
+<br>
+For those who don&#39;t know it: Smarturpmi is a web application which<br>
+caters to the same needs as EasyUrpmi, with the advantage that each<br>
+mirror displays the timestamp of latest sync and availability of all<br>
+mirrors is checked 3 times a day. It&#39;s available in 15 languages (even<br>
+including English!) and a GPL app, currently running on our webserver<br>
+but available for everybody to install it on his webserver.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+wobo<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Also, you can find at <a href="http://blogdrake.net">blogdrake.net</a> a little web application called dependenciasDRAKE which ables to the user create a list of dependences for some package in order to download in another computer. Useful for users with a poor net connection. And TunningDRAKE, which creates a &quot;tune up&quot; sequence including repo configuration, download some user-high-demanded stuff, etc.<br>
+<br>Maybe you contact with katnatek at blogdrake (creator of theese tools) to share ideas.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br><br>vfmBOFH<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin &lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; * Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI (<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Monday 20 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive<br>
+&gt;&gt;  from Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; who wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; My own opinion is that the issue that lead to the creation of PLF would<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; still apply.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; One thing we should try if possible is to have is support in Easy Urpmi<br>
+&gt;&gt; ( <a href="http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/" target="_blank">http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/</a> ) as it is a great help when setting up a system.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Must be seen with easyurpmi team. Easyurpmi is an independant project.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Once Mageia has a repo I am sure we can integrate that in smarturpmi:<br>
+<a href="http://smarturpmi.mandrivauser.de" target="_blank">http://smarturpmi.mandrivauser.de</a> (maybe then <a href="http://smarturpmi.mageia.de" target="_blank">smarturpmi.mageia.de</a>)<br>
+<br>
+For those who don&#39;t know it: Smarturpmi is a web application which<br>
+caters to the same needs as EasyUrpmi, with the advantage that each<br>
+mirror displays the timestamp of latest sync and availability of all<br>
+mirrors is checked 3 times a day. It&#39;s available in 15 languages (even<br>
+including English!) and a GPL app, currently running on our webserver<br>
+but available for everybody to install it on his webserver.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+wobo<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Also, you can find at <a href="http://blogdrake.net">blogdrake.net</a> a little web application called dependenciasDRAKE which ables to the user create a list of dependences for some package in order to download in another computer. Useful for users with a poor net connection. And TunningDRAKE, which creates a &quot;tune up&quot; sequence including repo configuration, download some user-high-demanded stuff, etc.<br>
+<br>Maybe you contact with katnatek at blogdrake (creator of theese tools) to share ideas.<br><br><br>Cheers,<br><br>vfmBOFH<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 2010-09-21 12:09, Tux99 a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?<br>
+<br>
+I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized<br>
+communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and<br>
+turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess,<br>
+transparency and openess of the representative&#39;s discursons are guaranteed.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I&#39;d like to suggest<br>
+to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.<br>
+<br>
+On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed<br>
+and partecipate we don&#39;t need multi-level hierarchical structures with<br>
+so called local community representatives that have special rights or<br>
+influence.<br>
+<br>
+As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some<br>
+local community representatives don&#39;t necessarily match at all with the<br>
+opinions of the members of their community.<br>
+<br>
+So personally I don&#39;t see any point in local community representatives<br>
+as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their<br>
+communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant<br>
+information and manage their local forums, events etc.<br>
+<br>
+Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there<br>
+should be no delegations or representations as that&#39;s not necessary on<br>
+the internet.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Agreed, however, that is not what we were talking about. We were talking about information flow of information from the outer-localized groups being communicated back to the main site.<br></blockquote><div><br>I will talk about i know. In the past, blogdrake admins &quot;probes&quot; the communitie&#39;s opinions to make it theirs. Then, they go to to Mandriva&#39;s active channel (whatever) and shows it. The new scheme i see it&#39;s ony a refined version of a good-working scheme. At least, until blogdrake&#39;s admins communicates with mandriva... <br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Having a reverse flow, in my opinion, would be a job tackled on by the localized groups themselves. That is to mean, if the localized group wanted to be informed of the goings-on at the main Mageia.org site, they would make arrangements themselves to translate these to their localized members.<br>
+</blockquote><div>I agree with it. And -again- the reverse flow could/must be important part of the local representative&#39;s work.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+The main issue here, as with all large organizations, is to make sure that the information from the outer-limbs of Mageia makes it back to the cental hub point from where the decisions are made. Before making decisions on issues, the Mageia.org hub should have all of the pertinent feedback from all users (localized or not). The flow should assure this.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>Again, i talk about i know: On the &quot;assemby times&quot; the blogdrake&#39;s admins were the messenger between assembly and its community (in the two ways flow). You can be sure we will do again, if neccessary, but maybe it&#39;s time to improve the community implication using some kind of election. But the scheme i think is valid and applicable to each local community.<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 2010-09-21 12:09, Tux99 a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?<br>
+<br>
+I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized<br>
+communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and<br>
+turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess,<br>
+transparency and openess of the representative&#39;s discursons are guaranteed.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I&#39;d like to suggest<br>
+to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.<br>
+<br>
+On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed<br>
+and partecipate we don&#39;t need multi-level hierarchical structures with<br>
+so called local community representatives that have special rights or<br>
+influence.<br>
+<br>
+As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some<br>
+local community representatives don&#39;t necessarily match at all with the<br>
+opinions of the members of their community.<br>
+<br>
+So personally I don&#39;t see any point in local community representatives<br>
+as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their<br>
+communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant<br>
+information and manage their local forums, events etc.<br>
+<br>
+Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there<br>
+should be no delegations or representations as that&#39;s not necessary on<br>
+the internet.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Agreed, however, that is not what we were talking about. We were talking about information flow of information from the outer-localized groups being communicated back to the main site.<br></blockquote><div><br>I will talk about i know. In the past, blogdrake admins &quot;probes&quot; the communitie&#39;s opinions to make it theirs. Then, they go to to Mandriva&#39;s active channel (whatever) and shows it. The new scheme i see it&#39;s ony a refined version of a good-working scheme. At least, until blogdrake&#39;s admins communicates with mandriva... <br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Having a reverse flow, in my opinion, would be a job tackled on by the localized groups themselves. That is to mean, if the localized group wanted to be informed of the goings-on at the main Mageia.org site, they would make arrangements themselves to translate these to their localized members.<br>
+</blockquote><div>I agree with it. And -again- the reverse flow could/must be important part of the local representative&#39;s work.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+The main issue here, as with all large organizations, is to make sure that the information from the outer-limbs of Mageia makes it back to the cental hub point from where the decisions are made. Before making decisions on issues, the Mageia.org hub should have all of the pertinent feedback from all users (localized or not). The flow should assure this.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>Again, i talk about i know: On the &quot;assemby times&quot; the blogdrake&#39;s admins were the messenger between assembly and its community (in the two ways flow). You can be sure we will do again, if neccessary, but maybe it&#39;s time to improve the community implication using some kind of election. But the scheme i think is valid and applicable to each local community.<br>
+ </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized<br>
+&gt; communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and<br>
+&gt; turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess,<br>
+&gt; transparency and openess of the representative&#39;s discursons are guaranteed.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I&#39;d like to suggest<br>
+to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.<br>
+<br>
+On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed<br>
+and partecipate we don&#39;t need multi-level hierarchical structures with<br>
+so called local community representatives that have special rights or<br>
+influence.<br>
+<br>
+As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some<br>
+local community representatives don&#39;t necessarily match at all with the<br>
+opinions of the members of their community.<br>
+<br>
+So personally I don&#39;t see any point in local community representatives<br>
+as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their<br>
+communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant<br>
+information and manage their local forums, events etc.<br>
+<br>
+Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there<br>
+should be no delegations or representations as that&#39;s not necessary on<br>
+the internet.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or decision) *must* be their communities one.<br>
+<br>On the other hand, if every aspect of the distro should be voted on by each and every one of its users, the process of implementing a change would be too slow for what we are accustomed. I do not see the community voting en masse (and agreeing!) On every aspect of the distro.<br>
+<br>The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have previously elected their representatives) are represented.<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized<br>
+&gt; communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and<br>
+&gt; turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess,<br>
+&gt; transparency and openess of the representative&#39;s discursons are guaranteed.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I&#39;d like to suggest<br>
+to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.<br>
+<br>
+On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed<br>
+and partecipate we don&#39;t need multi-level hierarchical structures with<br>
+so called local community representatives that have special rights or<br>
+influence.<br>
+<br>
+As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some<br>
+local community representatives don&#39;t necessarily match at all with the<br>
+opinions of the members of their community.<br>
+<br>
+So personally I don&#39;t see any point in local community representatives<br>
+as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their<br>
+communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant<br>
+information and manage their local forums, events etc.<br>
+<br>
+Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there<br>
+should be no delegations or representations as that&#39;s not necessary on<br>
+the internet.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or decision) *must* be their communities one.<br>
+<br>On the other hand, if every aspect of the distro should be voted on by each and every one of its users, the process of implementing a change would be too slow for what we are accustomed. I do not see the community voting en masse (and agreeing!) On every aspect of the distro.<br>
+<br>The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have previously elected their representatives) are represented.<br><br>
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+I like cauldron too, i also like edge but against cauldron, this last sound better to mageia<br><br>
+<br><br>
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+I like cauldron too, i also like edge but against cauldron, this last sound better to mageia<br><br>
+<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 September 2010 12:32, atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I&#39;m agree with this opinion as i wrote a minute ago to the UK user<br>
+community? subject. But as you know we, therd party packagers are not<br>
+well experienced packagers. An official packager should review our<br>
+packages and aasist to correct issues. So, we can learn more and<br>
+provide better packages. As a result users can reach their needs from<br>
+official contrib or communtiy repo.<br>
+<br>
+2010/9/20 Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:burger@webgis.de">burger@webgis.de</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; I totally agree with Thomas,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; as some may know, the German community has their own repo as well. The reason<br>
+&gt; was the somehow difficult procedure in contributing packages to Mandriva.<br>
+&gt; But: we have decided to contribute to mageia directly in the future. Like<br>
+&gt; Thomas said, many Third-party repos make it difficult for the users to find and<br>
+&gt; install packages. It also leads to dependency problems sometimes, when<br>
+&gt; packages from different third party repos collide.<br>
+&gt; And even if there are packages which are only of use to people with some<br>
+&gt; language, nationality and so on. Why shouldn&#39;t they be in the official repos.<br>
+&gt; E.g. I don&#39;t speak any asian language but the tools for those languages did<br>
+&gt; never disturb me. They were just there in the repo without ane sideeffects to<br>
+&gt; my system...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Oliver<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thomas Lottmann &lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; � Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Also local communities can package software just for their needs and<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; won&#39;t placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; repository (MVT)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of<br>
+&gt;&gt; people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language,<br>
+&gt;&gt; turkish for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our<br>
+&gt;&gt; efforts in Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible<br>
+&gt;&gt; having too many different repositories. Programs are usually not<br>
+&gt;&gt; territory dependant.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; That&#39;s out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on<br>
+&gt;&gt; this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and<br>
+&gt;&gt; simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many<br>
+&gt;&gt; extra repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would<br>
+&gt;&gt; even force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo<br>
+&gt;&gt; and then access te program they were looking for. So, that&#39;s just no to me.<br>
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+&gt;<br>
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+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>yes i totaly agree with this. 1 collection of packages available for all<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 September 2010 12:32, atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I&#39;m agree with this opinion as i wrote a minute ago to the UK user<br>
+community? subject. But as you know we, therd party packagers are not<br>
+well experienced packagers. An official packager should review our<br>
+packages and aasist to correct issues. So, we can learn more and<br>
+provide better packages. As a result users can reach their needs from<br>
+official contrib or communtiy repo.<br>
+<br>
+2010/9/20 Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:burger@webgis.de">burger@webgis.de</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; I totally agree with Thomas,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; as some may know, the German community has their own repo as well. The reason<br>
+&gt; was the somehow difficult procedure in contributing packages to Mandriva.<br>
+&gt; But: we have decided to contribute to mageia directly in the future. Like<br>
+&gt; Thomas said, many Third-party repos make it difficult for the users to find and<br>
+&gt; install packages. It also leads to dependency problems sometimes, when<br>
+&gt; packages from different third party repos collide.<br>
+&gt; And even if there are packages which are only of use to people with some<br>
+&gt; language, nationality and so on. Why shouldn&#39;t they be in the official repos.<br>
+&gt; E.g. I don&#39;t speak any asian language but the tools for those languages did<br>
+&gt; never disturb me. They were just there in the repo without ane sideeffects to<br>
+&gt; my system...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Oliver<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thomas Lottmann &lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; � Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Also local communities can package software just for their needs and<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; won&#39;t placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; repository (MVT)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of<br>
+&gt;&gt; people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language,<br>
+&gt;&gt; turkish for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our<br>
+&gt;&gt; efforts in Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible<br>
+&gt;&gt; having too many different repositories. Programs are usually not<br>
+&gt;&gt; territory dependant.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; That&#39;s out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on<br>
+&gt;&gt; this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and<br>
+&gt;&gt; simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many<br>
+&gt;&gt; extra repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would<br>
+&gt;&gt; even force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo<br>
+&gt;&gt; and then access te program they were looking for. So, that&#39;s just no to me.<br>
+&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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+&gt; --<br>
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+&gt;<br>
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+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>yes i totaly agree with this. 1 collection of packages available for all<br><br>
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+    Why not 'foundry' ?<br>
+    <br>
+    Le 21/09/2010 14:12, Redy Rodr&iacute;guez a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikSypsveiDgNhG1cS1UDDvLqV-CrNfSnG2Cv+ab@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin <span
+          dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div id=":6s">First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say
+            "oh yes, put the<br>
+            python egg into the cauldron" ;)</div>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span
+          style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0,
+          0);" title="">I really like the name "cauldron"</span></span>.<br
+        clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+      <br>
+      [ <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://parolas.thebbs.org">parolas.thebbs.org</a>
+      100% Linux native ]<br>
+      <br>
+      In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+    Why not 'foundry' ?<br>
+    <br>
+    Le 21/09/2010 14:12, Redy Rodr&iacute;guez a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikSypsveiDgNhG1cS1UDDvLqV-CrNfSnG2Cv+ab@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin <span
+          dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div id=":6s">First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say
+            "oh yes, put the<br>
+            python egg into the cauldron" ;)</div>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span
+          style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0,
+          0);" title="">I really like the name "cauldron"</span></span>.<br
+        clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+      <br>
+      [ <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://parolas.thebbs.org">parolas.thebbs.org</a>
+      100% Linux native ]<br>
+      <br>
+      In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from<br>
+&gt;&gt; Futurama).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Because the robot is &quot;Bender&quot; without the &quot;L&quot;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Oh, really? I thought it was &quot;Benda&quot; because they always pronounce it<br>
+like that, not with &quot;er&quot; at the end like &quot;fender-bender&quot; :)<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>[O.T] In fact, Bender&#39;s real name is Bender Rodriguez.<br><br>Futurama fan, here.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt; Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from<br>
+&gt;&gt; Futurama).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Because the robot is &quot;Bender&quot; without the &quot;L&quot;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Oh, really? I thought it was &quot;Benda&quot; because they always pronounce it<br>
+like that, not with &quot;er&quot; at the end like &quot;fender-bender&quot; :)<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>[O.T] In fact, Bender&#39;s real name is Bender Rodriguez.<br><br>Futurama fan, here.<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="gt-res-content"></a><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">H</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">ello,</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;"><br /><br /></span><a name="result_box"></a>Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with the software DokuWiki.<br /><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;"><br /></span><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">I</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;"> made  a text about  wiki software "</span><span style=" font-weight:600; background-color:#ffffff;">DokuWiki</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">" in the wiki MandrivaBrasil</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">:<br /><br /></span><a href="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/wiki-dokuwiki"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/wiki-dokuwiki</span></a> </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/usando-dokuwiki"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/usando-dokuwiki</span></a> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;"><br /></span><a name="result_box"></a>Several templates available (<a href="http://www.dokuwiki.org/template"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://www.dokuwiki.org/template</span></a>), I think "<span style=" font-weight:600;">Newday</span>" is the most practical, but there is also the template "<span style=" font-weight:600;">Monobook</span>" like mediawiki (Wikipedia).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Template Newday:  <a href="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/configurar_modelo_newday_no_dokuwiki_-_mandriva_2010"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/configurar_modelo_newday_no_dokuwiki_-_mandriva_2010</span></a> </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">o</span><span style=" color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">fficial website templete newday: </span><a href="http://blog.chirripo.nl/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">http://blog.chirripo.nl/</span></a> </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">brazilian community of Mandriva users.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Ter 21 Set 2010, �s 15:31:35, Anne nicolas escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://blog.mageia.org. It's for now in english but other languages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; will follow soon. Spread it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://www.mageia.org/wiki. This is a temporary wiki as explained on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="gt-res-content"></a><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">H</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">ello,</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;"><br /><br /></span><a name="result_box"></a>Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with the software DokuWiki.<br /><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;"><br /></span><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">I</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;"> made  a text about  wiki software "</span><span style=" font-weight:600; background-color:#ffffff;">DokuWiki</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">" in the wiki MandrivaBrasil</span><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">:<br /><br /></span><a href="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/wiki-dokuwiki"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/wiki-dokuwiki</span></a> </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/usando-dokuwiki"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/usando-dokuwiki</span></a> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;"><br /></span><a name="result_box"></a>Several templates available (<a href="http://www.dokuwiki.org/template"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://www.dokuwiki.org/template</span></a>), I think "<span style=" font-weight:600;">Newday</span>" is the most practical, but there is also the template "<span style=" font-weight:600;">Monobook</span>" like mediawiki (Wikipedia).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Template Newday:  <a href="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/configurar_modelo_newday_no_dokuwiki_-_mandriva_2010"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/configurar_modelo_newday_no_dokuwiki_-_mandriva_2010</span></a> </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">o</span><span style=" color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">fficial website templete newday: </span><a href="http://blog.chirripo.nl/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#000000; background-color:#ffffff;">http://blog.chirripo.nl/</span></a> </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">brazilian community of Mandriva users.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Ter 21 Set 2010, �s 15:31:35, Anne nicolas escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://blog.mageia.org. It's for now in english but other languages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; will follow soon. Spread it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://www.mageia.org/wiki. This is a temporary wiki as explained on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+ Le 2010-09-21 04:43, Marc Paré a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 2010-09-21 04:28, Jan Ciger a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Stéphane Téletchéa&lt;<a href="mailto:steletch@gmail.com" target="_blank">steletch@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:<br>
+<br>
+&quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors,<br>
+metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</a><br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+Stef<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Guys, let&#39;s keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It<br>
+will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and<br>
+such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.<br>
+Cooker was good from this point of view.<br>
+<br>
+Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.<br>
+<br>
+For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the<br>
+&quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,<br>
+keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or<br>
+&quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.<br>
+<br>
+J.<br>
+</blockquote>
+TheBrew ???<br>
+<br>
+Enchantment ???<br>
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Infusion (witch&#39;s brew) ???<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Potion room?<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+ Le 2010-09-21 04:43, Marc Paré a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 2010-09-21 04:28, Jan Ciger a écrit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/21 Stéphane Téletchéa&lt;<a href="mailto:steletch@gmail.com" target="_blank">steletch@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:<br>
+<br>
+&quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors,<br>
+metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</a><br>
+<br>
+WDYT?<br>
+<br>
+Stef<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Guys, let&#39;s keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It<br>
+will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and<br>
+such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.<br>
+Cooker was good from this point of view.<br>
+<br>
+Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.<br>
+<br>
+For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the<br>
+&quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,<br>
+keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or<br>
+&quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.<br>
+<br>
+J.<br>
+</blockquote>
+TheBrew ???<br>
+<br>
+Enchantment ???<br>
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Infusion (witch&#39;s brew) ???<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Potion room?<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 16:55, Marc Paré &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; [...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; In a perfect setup, the Mageia forums would have a localized section on<br>
+&gt; their own main forum board and manage the localized sections themselves. But<br>
+&gt; it doesn&#39;t sound like people want this. It sounds like people would rather<br>
+&gt; go to a <a href="http://localization.mageia.org" target="_blank">localization.mageia.org</a> (or <a href="http://mageia.org/localization" target="_blank">mageia.org/localization</a>) site where all<br>
+&gt; services are rendered in their language. It may, in fact, be easier to<br>
+&gt; manage things this way. The <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> main site would essentially be the<br>
+&gt; hub (in English) where the flow of localized (language) were coordinated<br>
+&gt; through <a href="http://localized.mageia.org" target="_blank">localized.mageia.org</a> sites<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Or am I hearing things wrong?<br>
+<br>
+</div>No, I guess you are hearing it right. Good idea as well for the<br>
+monthly (or ad hoc) reporting principle, could be interesting and<br>
+useful that way.<br>
+<br>
+I guess then we&#39;ll go for the mixed approach. Anyway, let&#39;s wait for<br>
+the temp wiki setup and we&#39;ll dig through this.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Romain.<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?<br><br>I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess, transparency and openess of the representative&#39;s discursons are guaranteed.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 16:55, Marc Paré &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; [...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; In a perfect setup, the Mageia forums would have a localized section on<br>
+&gt; their own main forum board and manage the localized sections themselves. But<br>
+&gt; it doesn&#39;t sound like people want this. It sounds like people would rather<br>
+&gt; go to a <a href="http://localization.mageia.org" target="_blank">localization.mageia.org</a> (or <a href="http://mageia.org/localization" target="_blank">mageia.org/localization</a>) site where all<br>
+&gt; services are rendered in their language. It may, in fact, be easier to<br>
+&gt; manage things this way. The <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> main site would essentially be the<br>
+&gt; hub (in English) where the flow of localized (language) were coordinated<br>
+&gt; through <a href="http://localized.mageia.org" target="_blank">localized.mageia.org</a> sites<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Or am I hearing things wrong?<br>
+<br>
+</div>No, I guess you are hearing it right. Good idea as well for the<br>
+monthly (or ad hoc) reporting principle, could be interesting and<br>
+useful that way.<br>
+<br>
+I guess then we&#39;ll go for the mixed approach. Anyway, let&#39;s wait for<br>
+the temp wiki setup and we&#39;ll dig through this.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Romain.<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?<br><br>I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess, transparency and openess of the representative&#39;s discursons are guaranteed.<br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Wolfgang Bornath, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Just saw now, but the header of the wiki says that this format will be temporary. <span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">Maybe they will install mediawiki in the future.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="dokuwiki__top"></a><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php"><span style=" font-style:italic; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">"M</span></a><span style=" font-style:italic; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">ageia temporary wiki"</span><span style=" font-style:italic;"> - "This wiki is temporary, for setup purposes and contributions lists. It will be erased in the future"</span>.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Ter 21 Set 2010, �s 17:59:34, Wolfgang Bornath escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2010/9/21 terraagua@gmail.com &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the software DokuWiki.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I made a text about wiki software "DokuWiki" in the wiki MandrivaBrasil:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; We are using DokuWiki as well on MandrivaUser.de so people should have</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; no problems with that, German hepl text available in our wiki ;)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Wolfgang Bornath, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Just saw now, but the header of the wiki says that this format will be temporary. <span style=" background-color:#ffffff;">Maybe they will install mediawiki in the future.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="dokuwiki__top"></a><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php"><span style=" font-style:italic; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">"M</span></a><span style=" font-style:italic; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">ageia temporary wiki"</span><span style=" font-style:italic;"> - "This wiki is temporary, for setup purposes and contributions lists. It will be erased in the future"</span>.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Ter 21 Set 2010, �s 17:59:34, Wolfgang Bornath escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2010/9/21 terraagua@gmail.com &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the software DokuWiki.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I made a text about wiki software "DokuWiki" in the wiki MandrivaBrasil:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; We are using DokuWiki as well on MandrivaUser.de so people should have</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; no problems with that, German hepl text available in our wiki ;)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
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+<b>Hecate</b> or <b>Hekate</b> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek" title="Ancient Greek">ancient Greek</a> <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%99%CE%BA%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%B7" class="extiw" title="wikt:Ἑκάτη">Ἑκάτη</a>, <i>Hekátē</i>, pronounced <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English" title="Wikipedia:IPA for English">/ˈhɛkətiː/</a></span> or <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English" title="Wikipedia:IPA for English">/ˈhɛkət/</a></span><sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate#cite_note-0"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup> in English) is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chthonic" title="Chthonic">chthonic</a> Greco-Roman goddess associated with magic and crossroads.<br>
+<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate</a><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br><br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br>
+<br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
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+<b>Hecate</b> or <b>Hekate</b> (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek" title="Ancient Greek">ancient Greek</a> <a href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%99%CE%BA%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%B7" class="extiw" title="wikt:Ἑκάτη">Ἑκάτη</a>, <i>Hekátē</i>, pronounced <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English" title="Wikipedia:IPA for English">/ˈhɛkətiː/</a></span> or <span title="Pronunciation in IPA" class="IPA"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English" title="Wikipedia:IPA for English">/ˈhɛkət/</a></span><sup id="cite_ref-0" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate#cite_note-0"><span>[</span>1<span>]</span></a></sup> in English) is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chthonic" title="Chthonic">chthonic</a> Greco-Roman goddess associated with magic and crossroads.<br>
+<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate</a><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br><br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br>
+<br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+In that case, if we&#39;re talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it?</blockquote></div><br><br>�Open clipart library crystal ball: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413</a>?<br><br><a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</a><br>
+<a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</a><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+<br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+In that case, if we&#39;re talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it?</blockquote></div><br><br>�Open clipart library crystal ball: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413</a>?<br><br><a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</a><br>
+<a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</a><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+<br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
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+The right in greek is this <br>
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTi=-=VJmBPa-6qEeu=-1G96zgRtKmU8FT0dCynyg@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/">http://www.forvo.com/word/μαγεία/</a></div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>The greek pronouncation of the word Mageia (Μαγεία) is Ma-yeé-a
+. The yeé is the same when you say in english 'young' the first syllabe.</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>You cannot say ma - geï (gay)-a because in greek the ei=i (like
+ει-ρή-νη=I-re-ne <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene</a>
+)</div>
+  <div>Only when it has the two points over the i (εϊ) is ay (like fame)</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+-- <br>
+  <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+</blockquote>
+You should say "the right modern greek pronunciation" is Ma-yeé-a, in
+ancient greek (whose pronunciation is presumably most world-wide
+known...)  the pronunciation is assuredly ma-geï-a.<br>
+Ptyxs<br>
+<br>
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+The right in greek is this <br>
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTi=-=VJmBPa-6qEeu=-1G96zgRtKmU8FT0dCynyg@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/">http://www.forvo.com/word/μαγεία/</a></div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>The greek pronouncation of the word Mageia (Μαγεία) is Ma-yeé-a
+. The yeé is the same when you say in english 'young' the first syllabe.</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>You cannot say ma - geï (gay)-a because in greek the ei=i (like
+ει-ρή-νη=I-re-ne <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene</a>
+)</div>
+  <div>Only when it has the two points over the i (εϊ) is ay (like fame)</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+-- <br>
+  <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+</blockquote>
+You should say "the right modern greek pronunciation" is Ma-yeé-a, in
+ancient greek (whose pronunciation is presumably most world-wide
+known...)  the pronunciation is assuredly ma-geï-a.<br>
+Ptyxs<br>
+<br>
+</body>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; And what about people who don&#39;t undersand english, for example?<br>
+<br>
+</div>I answered that already, it&#39;s the job of the local leaders to make sure<br>
+their communities have translations of all releveant information (this<br>
+would be the case even in your scenario).<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups<br>
+&gt; whith their own voice and vote.<br>
+<br>
+</div>We all know how unrepresentative most parliaments in the real world are<br>
+so using them as a reference is a very bad idea, especially since on the<br>
+internet direct partecipation is easily accievable.<br>
+<br>
+Anyway Romain&#39;s mail makes this discussion redundant, since it doesn&#39;t<br>
+appear to contain any special provisions for so-called community<br>
+representatives.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m agree with your last point :D<br><br>Anyway, remember. I was talking from the beginning of a meritocracy-based election. You can be sure i&#39;m more dissappointed than you about &quot;democracies&quot;, believe me.<br>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; And what about people who don&#39;t undersand english, for example?<br>
+<br>
+</div>I answered that already, it&#39;s the job of the local leaders to make sure<br>
+their communities have translations of all releveant information (this<br>
+would be the case even in your scenario).<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups<br>
+&gt; whith their own voice and vote.<br>
+<br>
+</div>We all know how unrepresentative most parliaments in the real world are<br>
+so using them as a reference is a very bad idea, especially since on the<br>
+internet direct partecipation is easily accievable.<br>
+<br>
+Anyway Romain&#39;s mail makes this discussion redundant, since it doesn&#39;t<br>
+appear to contain any special provisions for so-called community<br>
+representatives.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m agree with your last point :D<br><br>Anyway, remember. I was talking from the beginning of a meritocracy-based election. You can be sure i&#39;m more dissappointed than you about &quot;democracies&quot;, believe me.<br>
+<br>
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+<br>
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+A crystall ball would be perfect.<br>I would make something like this: <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Applications-internet.svg">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Applications-internet.svg</a>, having little stars connected instead of dots in places of major cities on the map - i.e. community connected by this distro.<br>
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+A crystall ball would be perfect.<br>I would make something like this: <a href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Applications-internet.svg">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Applications-internet.svg</a>, having little stars connected instead of dots in places of major cities on the map - i.e. community connected by this distro.<br>
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+<style> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }</style>OMG! Was only a joke! just a joke! Please, let's return to the main theme!<br>
+<br>
+:)<br>
+--&nbsp;<br>
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+<br>
+Webmaster - Admin
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.proyectopqmc.com">PROYECTOPQMC.COM</a> - Chorradas y frikismo a cascoporro
+<br>
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+ <br>
+<br>
+<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Tue 21/09/10 17:46, Wolfgang Bornath molch.b@googlemail.com wrote:<br>
+</span><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(245, 245, 245); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px;">2010/9/21 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;:
+<br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; Futurama).
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; Because the robot is "Bender" without the "L"
+</span><br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+Oh, really? I thought it was "Benda" because they always pronounce it
+<br>
+
+like that, not with "er" at the end like "fender-bender" :)
+<br>
+
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+<style> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }</style>OMG! Was only a joke! just a joke! Please, let's return to the main theme!<br>
+<br>
+:)<br>
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+<br>
+Webmaster - Admin
+<br>
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+ <br>
+<br>
+<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Tue 21/09/10 17:46, Wolfgang Bornath molch.b@googlemail.com wrote:<br>
+</span><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(245, 245, 245); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px;">2010/9/21 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;:
+<br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; Futurama).
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; Because the robot is "Bender" without the "L"
+</span><br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+Oh, really? I thought it was "Benda" because they always pronounce it
+<br>
+
+like that, not with "er" at the end like "fender-bender" :)
+<br>
+
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+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Pacho Ramos <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pacho@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es">pacho@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+El mar, 21-09-2010 a las 09:41 +0200, Olivier Thauvin escribió:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the<br>
+&gt; development version of Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an<br>
+&gt; insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to<br>
+&gt; another distribution to avoid mistake.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>
+&gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will<br>
+&gt; please to anyone.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Your ideas are welcome.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ll see according results how to choose one.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br></div></blockquote></div><br>or Mageia rolling <br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Pacho Ramos <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pacho@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es">pacho@condmat1.ciencias.uniovi.es</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+El mar, 21-09-2010 a las 09:41 +0200, Olivier Thauvin escribió:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the<br>
+&gt; development version of Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an<br>
+&gt; insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to<br>
+&gt; another distribution to avoid mistake.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>
+&gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will<br>
+&gt; please to anyone.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Your ideas are welcome.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ll see according results how to choose one.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br></div></blockquote></div><br>or Mageia rolling <br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Cauldron is a good name for the development version (testing) of mageia.<br>
+</span><span title="">The melting pot is used to cast spells.<br><br><br></span><span title="">I like!<br><br></span><span title="">Hugs,</span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton Júnior</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+* Olivier Thauvin (<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the<br>
+&gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.<br>
+<br>
+I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.<br>
+<br>
+Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought<br>
+noise already.<br>
+<br>
+If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,<br>
+mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I&#39;ll<br>
+post a sumarry here if need.<br>
+<br>
+I did learn a lot of words !<br>
+<br>
+I made some choice for you (sorry):<br>
+- read your mail, then take decision according comment<br>
+- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know<br>
+  trademark, well know software, ...).<br>
+<br>
+My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change<br>
+in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of &#39;cauldron&#39;.<br>
+<br>
+The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).<br>
+<br>
+# Abracadabra - Way too long<br>
+Agora - too common, and <a href="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/" target="_blank">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</a><br>
+Alakazam - like the pokemon ?<br>
+alchemy - hard to pronouce<br>
+Baker<br>
+bakery<br>
+# blender - it is the name of a well know software<br>
+brewery, brew - religious issue<br>
+Bubbling<br>
+campus<br>
+cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)<br>
+Chef<br>
+concert<br>
+crucible<br>
+# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi<br>
+Dreamspot<br>
+edge<br>
+elixir<br>
+Enchantment<br>
+fire<br>
+fireworks<br>
+foundry<br>
+genesis<br>
+harmony<br>
+# Hephaestus - complicated<br>
+Infusion<br>
+kettle<br>
+kitchen - isn&#39;t too refering to cooker ?<br>
+Manna<br>
+# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated<br>
+# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes<br>
+mercury<br>
+mill<br>
+mixer<br>
+Mystique - is it correct in english ?<br>
+# Olympus - Camera trademark<br>
+oven<br>
+Pan<br>
+# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;œ&quot;<br>
+# pioneer - trademark<br>
+Potion room - one uniq word would better<br>
+# Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs<br>
+Presto<br>
+Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I suggest to avoid... :)<br>
+quicksilver<br>
+rookery<br>
+# root - will cause mistake with the user<br>
+stove<br>
+Synergy - a free software<br>
+# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier<br>
+# Tea party - politics issue<br>
+testing - like debian, no personnality<br>
+transmutation<br>
+twig<br>
+# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)<br>
+Vesuvius<br>
+Vulcan<br>
+Vulcano<br>
+wok<br>
+works - like Ms product ?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Olivier Thauvin<br>
+CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Cauldron is a good name for the development version (testing) of mageia.<br>
+</span><span title="">The melting pot is used to cast spells.<br><br><br></span><span title="">I like!<br><br></span><span title="">Hugs,</span></span></div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton Júnior</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+* Olivier Thauvin (<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the<br>
+&gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.<br>
+<br>
+I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.<br>
+<br>
+Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought<br>
+noise already.<br>
+<br>
+If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,<br>
+mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I&#39;ll<br>
+post a sumarry here if need.<br>
+<br>
+I did learn a lot of words !<br>
+<br>
+I made some choice for you (sorry):<br>
+- read your mail, then take decision according comment<br>
+- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know<br>
+  trademark, well know software, ...).<br>
+<br>
+My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change<br>
+in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of &#39;cauldron&#39;.<br>
+<br>
+The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).<br>
+<br>
+# Abracadabra - Way too long<br>
+Agora - too common, and <a href="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/" target="_blank">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</a><br>
+Alakazam - like the pokemon ?<br>
+alchemy - hard to pronouce<br>
+Baker<br>
+bakery<br>
+# blender - it is the name of a well know software<br>
+brewery, brew - religious issue<br>
+Bubbling<br>
+campus<br>
+cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)<br>
+Chef<br>
+concert<br>
+crucible<br>
+# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi<br>
+Dreamspot<br>
+edge<br>
+elixir<br>
+Enchantment<br>
+fire<br>
+fireworks<br>
+foundry<br>
+genesis<br>
+harmony<br>
+# Hephaestus - complicated<br>
+Infusion<br>
+kettle<br>
+kitchen - isn&#39;t too refering to cooker ?<br>
+Manna<br>
+# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated<br>
+# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes<br>
+mercury<br>
+mill<br>
+mixer<br>
+Mystique - is it correct in english ?<br>
+# Olympus - Camera trademark<br>
+oven<br>
+Pan<br>
+# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;œ&quot;<br>
+# pioneer - trademark<br>
+Potion room - one uniq word would better<br>
+# Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs<br>
+Presto<br>
+Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I suggest to avoid... :)<br>
+quicksilver<br>
+rookery<br>
+# root - will cause mistake with the user<br>
+stove<br>
+Synergy - a free software<br>
+# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier<br>
+# Tea party - politics issue<br>
+testing - like debian, no personnality<br>
+transmutation<br>
+twig<br>
+# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)<br>
+Vesuvius<br>
+Vulcan<br>
+Vulcano<br>
+wok<br>
+works - like Ms product ?<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Olivier Thauvin<br>
+CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+    <title></title></head>
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+<p>----- Message d'origine -----
+<br>&gt; On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Emmanuel Andry &lt;<a href="mailto:eandry@free.fr">eandry@free.fr</a>&gt; wrote:
+<br>&gt; &gt; Hi everybody !
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; A Mandriva's fork, at last !
+<br>&gt; &gt; A real community-driven Mandriva is what I was waiting for ages.
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; I offer my packaging skills to Mageia (Mandriva packager since 2005)
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; Emmanuel Andry
+<br>&gt; &gt; Former Mandriva Packager
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Hi Emmanuel!
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Welcome to Mageia!
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Please add yourself to <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</a>
+<br>&gt; ( Packaging )
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Salut,
+<br>&gt; Sinner
+<br>&gt; -- 
+<br>&gt; Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -
+<br>&gt; <a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a>
+<br>&gt; Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:&nbsp; <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a>
+<br>&gt; _______________________________________________
+<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<br>&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<br>&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>Can you add me in the list of translators please ?
+<br>Dimitrios Glentadakis (DimitrisG) <a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a> Greek translations
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>--
+<br>Dimitrios Glentadakis </p>
+</body>
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+    <meta name="generator" content="Osso Notes">
+    <title></title></head>
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+<p>----- Message d'origine -----
+<br>&gt; On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Emmanuel Andry &lt;<a href="mailto:eandry@free.fr">eandry@free.fr</a>&gt; wrote:
+<br>&gt; &gt; Hi everybody !
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; A Mandriva's fork, at last !
+<br>&gt; &gt; A real community-driven Mandriva is what I was waiting for ages.
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; I offer my packaging skills to Mageia (Mandriva packager since 2005)
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; 
+<br>&gt; &gt; Emmanuel Andry
+<br>&gt; &gt; Former Mandriva Packager
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Hi Emmanuel!
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Welcome to Mageia!
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Please add yourself to <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</a>
+<br>&gt; ( Packaging )
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Salut,
+<br>&gt; Sinner
+<br>&gt; -- 
+<br>&gt; Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -
+<br>&gt; <a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a>
+<br>&gt; Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:&nbsp; <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a>
+<br>&gt; _______________________________________________
+<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<br>&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<br>&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>Can you add me in the list of translators please ?
+<br>Dimitrios Glentadakis (DimitrisG) <a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a> Greek translations
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>--
+<br>Dimitrios Glentadakis </p>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Maybe mageia contributors don't feel to be involved in a forum now, but at least a forum is something you choose to check or not email.<br>When I see 50 emails about the cookeer name, I'm sorry but who cares !!! Why are you spamming my mailbox with such stupid question when the project is still in discussion mode... (before choose a name, maybe we should start the work...)(I have a new alert every 15 seconds for a new mail on my mandriva kopet alert message)<br><br>If they need a server to put a forum some people say thay can host it, or if they need some people to install it or moderate it, I can help. I'm sure it could be an easy way for some "contributors" to help tham to work and to discuss in a decent environnment without paying the price of taking so much time for it...<br><br>Pierre<br>(installing a forum is 10 minutes works, moderate him can be time eating, but not too much)<br>&gt; From: oliver.bgr@googlemail.com<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:30:43 +0200<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Hi,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; 2010/9/21 Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;amfidiusz@gmail.com&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; The forums have been registered under the domain:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; http://mageiaforums.org/<br>&gt; I don't think creating yet another forumis a real good idea. There already is <br>&gt; mandrivauser.org/mageiausers.org out there and I think, there will be an <br>&gt; official one, sonn.<br>&gt; Why not wait, till the infrastructure has settled down?<br>&gt; I can understand the reasons in creating some neutral forums for Mandriva <br>&gt; itself since the Mandriva forums were in fact under the control of Mandriva <br>&gt; S.A., but Mageia itself is a community project. Why creating yet another <br>&gt; community project to be neutral? There isn't any reason to do that.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Oliver<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+Maybe mageia contributors don't feel to be involved in a forum now, but at least a forum is something you choose to check or not email.<br>When I see 50 emails about the cookeer name, I'm sorry but who cares !!! Why are you spamming my mailbox with such stupid question when the project is still in discussion mode... (before choose a name, maybe we should start the work...)(I have a new alert every 15 seconds for a new mail on my mandriva kopet alert message)<br><br>If they need a server to put a forum some people say thay can host it, or if they need some people to install it or moderate it, I can help. I'm sure it could be an easy way for some "contributors" to help tham to work and to discuss in a decent environnment without paying the price of taking so much time for it...<br><br>Pierre<br>(installing a forum is 10 minutes works, moderate him can be time eating, but not too much)<br>&gt; From: oliver.bgr@googlemail.com<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:30:43 +0200<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Hi,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; &gt; 2010/9/21 Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;amfidiusz@gmail.com&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; The forums have been registered under the domain:<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; http://mageiaforums.org/<br>&gt; I don't think creating yet another forumis a real good idea. There already is <br>&gt; mandrivauser.org/mageiausers.org out there and I think, there will be an <br>&gt; official one, sonn.<br>&gt; Why not wait, till the infrastructure has settled down?<br>&gt; I can understand the reasons in creating some neutral forums for Mandriva <br>&gt; itself since the Mandriva forums were in fact under the control of Mandriva <br>&gt; S.A., but Mageia itself is a community project. Why creating yet another <br>&gt; community project to be neutral? There isn't any reason to do that.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Oliver<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Per �yvind Karlsen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+2010/9/21 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/21 Per �yvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Oh well, I fear that this I with this post and the proposition might<br>
+&gt;&gt; just be flamed to death no matter how sane and justified I may find<br>
+&gt;&gt; this that others might consider a flamebait pipedream, or perhaps just<br>
+&gt;&gt; ignored which wouldn&#39;t surprise me that much either, but as there<br>
+&gt;&gt; might just be slight chance of constructive discussion taking place<br>
+&gt;&gt; and something of use to someone rather than a new round with<br>
+&gt;&gt; distribution of blame and angry voices, I take my chances in the<br>
+&gt;&gt; spirit of the greater good for everyone. :o)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>&gt; Hmm, now here we have our old Per �yvind back, while his person was<br>
+&gt; occupied by a demon lately?<br>
+Nah, he just rather felt the motivation and ideas about organization<br>
+being too different and in contrast, getting in the way of any mutual<br>
+goals and hopes, making them irrelevant. But I&#39;d rather focus on<br>
+bringing these in line and of mutual interest as well now rather than<br>
+criticizing further. ;)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What you propose makes the same sense as it made a couple of months<br>
+&gt; ago, but the circumstances have changed a lot meanwhile. Yoou can&#39;t<br>
+&gt; turn back the pages and read again like &quot;Forget what was, here is a<br>
+&gt; born again world&quot;. Now such a system as you suggest will depend not<br>
+&gt; only on technical and economical questions as it was some time ago but<br>
+&gt; also on how much trust you can still have / want to have in the<br>
+&gt; current powers at Mandriva as well as how much motivation the makers<br>
+&gt; of this fork can show to cooperate with a company which has treated<br>
+&gt; them as seen in the previous months. This can only be answered by<br>
+&gt; those people, not by any other.<br>
+Well, you and me both has managed to stay focused on and more care<br>
+around the community part despite getting canned from the company<br>
+since quite a while ago, and even both had our quarrels with some of<br>
+the community as well, independent of our employment, we&#39;re still<br>
+around. Personally I&#39;d feel rather hypocritical otherwise as any<br>
+claims and beliefs of mine about Mandriva Linux being a community<br>
+distribution wouldn&#39;t be consistent with letting my professional<br>
+relations interfer with community involvement. I&#39;d experience it as if<br>
+I were setting myself and my own personal feelings towards the<br>
+employer in that context, especially if imposing it on the community<br>
+and allow for it to dictate their direction..<br>
+<br>
+I also feel that the claim about all talents and core developers of<br>
+the distribution being quite unfair to those people employed at<br>
+Conectiva, which AFAIK still has more people despite all it&#39;s previous<br>
+departures (which to my understanding most of likely wouldn&#39;t have<br>
+left either under the current situation where remaining staff chose to<br>
+stay) assigned to work on the community distribution than Edge-IT had<br>
+when liquidated. This kinda suggests a notion of the whole<br>
+distribution and anything of importance revolves around these<br>
+relatively few people at Edge-IT, and that the staff at Conectiva,<br>
+despite being made up of more people, they&#39;re less important.. Same<br>
+can be said for community contributors..<br>
+<br>
+So, is this the case? If it&#39;s not, then there shouldn&#39;t be anything in<br>
+the way of continuing involvement in the community and help improve it<br>
+and setting up a community organization together with and around it,<br>
+after all, we&#39;re grownups and should know better than taking out our<br>
+grudges on others..<br>
+I don&#39;t really like implying such and feel uncomfortable about raising<br>
+the questions, but there&#39;s several details concerning this that raises<br>
+the question on where you&#39;re actually acting in the community&#39;s best<br>
+interest or not, if your intentions really are, then I urge you to<br>
+reconsider participate in this attempt on establishing a dialogue..<br>
+<br>
+Certainly there can be other technical differences and desires<br>
+motivating the fork as well, making it more desirable for both parties<br>
+and allowing for them different focus and priorities without being at<br>
+conflict, but this doesn&#39;t have to mean that a split has to happen in<br>
+the community nor that we cannot work together on creating an<br>
+organization together and collaborate rather than burning bridges and<br>
+creating grounds for controversy and hostility. As the interest and<br>
+desires expressed by Matthew and Unity Linux, and their efforts all<br>
+along has shown, there is room for diversity and different focus while<br>
+at the same time actively working on improving relations and how to<br>
+better complement eachother.<br>
+As there&#39;s obviously interest for these things in both the Unity and<br>
+Mandriva community, why wouldn&#39;t there be so in the Mageia community?<br>
+If there&#39;s not, it wouldn&#39;t seem very professional of you, and<br>
+certainly not community friendly nor in the community&#39;s best interest,<br>
+would it?<br>
+The official news and strategy announced by Mandriva certainly doesn&#39;t<br>
+seem to �rumours on bad intentions threatening the community or the<br>
+distribution&#39;s future either, so that shouldn&#39;t be the concern<br>
+either...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And of course it depends on how the powers at Mandriva (I do not mean<br>
+&gt; Laprevote but rather his peers) will see such an obligation, which it<br>
+&gt; will be for them. Would they see it as a necessary move, I mean<br>
+&gt; necessary for their plans, not ours? As we do not know their plans we<br>
+&gt; can&#39;t even speculate about that. I remember an investor talking to a<br>
+&gt; former member of the Mandriva board, advising him to get rid of the<br>
+&gt; enduser community because they only keep the company away from<br>
+&gt; important work. I don&#39;t say that all investors think like that, but<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s a good example.<br>
+Then I guess we should be happy that investor is no longer on the board. ;)<br>
+But certainly with regards to the company and related to the changes<br>
+in it&#39;s management, verifying their current position on the matter and<br>
+ensure their actual interest would certainly be useful before assuming<br>
+or expecting anything. If we have it and a good dialogue is<br>
+established, then much can be done from there.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Of course, a Mandriva company which really means to carry out what<br>
+&gt; Laprevote mentioned in his motivation &quot;news&quot;, a Mandriva company which<br>
+&gt; starts being communicative and transparent where it is possible, a<br>
+&gt; Mandriva company which starts doing what it always claimed to be their<br>
+&gt; commitment (&quot;we are committed to the community&quot;), this could be a good<br>
+&gt; partner, /me thinks, day dreaming.<br>
+Yupp, and we can only find out by giving the chance and try contribute<br>
+to this ourself, it&#39;s a two-way street after all.. :)<br>
+&gt; But as I wrote: I have no voice in this anyway.<br>
+Yupp, but we can at least hope to influence in the best interest, for<br>
+Mageia I personally didn&#39;t really have any real knowledge of before<br>
+after it&#39;s announcement, so I&#39;m not expecting to even have much of a<br>
+voice in by myself, yet I&#39;m hoping logic, reason and mutual benefits<br>
+and goals will come out winning in the end.. :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; BTW: I thought the chief in hugs was Fran�ois Bancilhon? :)<br>
+Well, I&#39;m his secret twin, and as he weren&#39;t granted this overwhelming<br>
+responsibility at the first assembly meeting, he has to share the<br>
+duties with me, tipsy or not. ;)<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Hugziez&amp;kizzez,<br>
+Your BFF &lt;3<br>
+<font color="#888888">Per �yvind<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>I am coming in a bit cold into this conversation. Frankly, I am not even clear on what this discussion is even trying to achieve, so please forgive me if I steer this off topic. <br>
+
+<br>What I think is being discussed here is the desire to join the various communities, at least on a certain level, in an attempt to make collaborative work easier, if not on a daily basis, then at least on a roadmap planning basis. Having been part of two MDV derivative developments, I have come to accept what I believe to be inherent truths governing any such effort:<br>
+
+<ul><li>it is impossible to satisfy everyone all the time. As long as there are multiple people involved in a community, there will always be diverging opinions. In large part, it is these ideological disagreements which drive the communities to fraction. Trying to get everyone on the same page is a vein effort. The basis for any collaborative work has to be the underlying understanding that people have their own reasons for doing what they want to do. Others may not agree with those reasons. Those reasons may not even be expressed clearly enough to formulate a proper opinion about them. The bottom line is that communities have to accept this inevitability and work with it instead of around it.<br>
+
+</li><li>nominal participation does not constitute joint development. It takes more than just an occasional email or attendance of a meeting to claim that there is &quot;participation&quot;.</li><li>there must be numerous participants. Having just one or two delegates simply does not provide enough penetration across the development communities to be effective. For example, personal motives can come in the way, availability of the delegate may be limited due to life events, etc. In order to guarantee successful sharing across communities, there must be more than a couple of people sharing the information.</li>
+
+<li>every participant on all sides must be empowered to contribute to the decisions. Clearly, this has to be governed by some guidelines. Otherwise, this may become a free-for-all mess. However, if the contributing members of the individual distributions don&#39;t feel that they have influence over the partner communities, then the entire communities will drift, or worst still, rip apart.</li>
+
+</ul>I am 100% for transparency in development and collaborative work. But I do feel that in order for any such efforts to be successful, the items on the above list have to be addressed first. In my mind, the success of any attempt to unite effort will depend on the success of addressing these topics first.<br>
+
+<br>Just my 2 cents,<br>Paul (gri6507).<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Per �yvind Karlsen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+2010/9/21 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/21 Per �yvind Karlsen &lt;<a href="mailto:peroyvind@mandriva.org">peroyvind@mandriva.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Oh well, I fear that this I with this post and the proposition might<br>
+&gt;&gt; just be flamed to death no matter how sane and justified I may find<br>
+&gt;&gt; this that others might consider a flamebait pipedream, or perhaps just<br>
+&gt;&gt; ignored which wouldn&#39;t surprise me that much either, but as there<br>
+&gt;&gt; might just be slight chance of constructive discussion taking place<br>
+&gt;&gt; and something of use to someone rather than a new round with<br>
+&gt;&gt; distribution of blame and angry voices, I take my chances in the<br>
+&gt;&gt; spirit of the greater good for everyone. :o)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>&gt; Hmm, now here we have our old Per �yvind back, while his person was<br>
+&gt; occupied by a demon lately?<br>
+Nah, he just rather felt the motivation and ideas about organization<br>
+being too different and in contrast, getting in the way of any mutual<br>
+goals and hopes, making them irrelevant. But I&#39;d rather focus on<br>
+bringing these in line and of mutual interest as well now rather than<br>
+criticizing further. ;)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What you propose makes the same sense as it made a couple of months<br>
+&gt; ago, but the circumstances have changed a lot meanwhile. Yoou can&#39;t<br>
+&gt; turn back the pages and read again like &quot;Forget what was, here is a<br>
+&gt; born again world&quot;. Now such a system as you suggest will depend not<br>
+&gt; only on technical and economical questions as it was some time ago but<br>
+&gt; also on how much trust you can still have / want to have in the<br>
+&gt; current powers at Mandriva as well as how much motivation the makers<br>
+&gt; of this fork can show to cooperate with a company which has treated<br>
+&gt; them as seen in the previous months. This can only be answered by<br>
+&gt; those people, not by any other.<br>
+Well, you and me both has managed to stay focused on and more care<br>
+around the community part despite getting canned from the company<br>
+since quite a while ago, and even both had our quarrels with some of<br>
+the community as well, independent of our employment, we&#39;re still<br>
+around. Personally I&#39;d feel rather hypocritical otherwise as any<br>
+claims and beliefs of mine about Mandriva Linux being a community<br>
+distribution wouldn&#39;t be consistent with letting my professional<br>
+relations interfer with community involvement. I&#39;d experience it as if<br>
+I were setting myself and my own personal feelings towards the<br>
+employer in that context, especially if imposing it on the community<br>
+and allow for it to dictate their direction..<br>
+<br>
+I also feel that the claim about all talents and core developers of<br>
+the distribution being quite unfair to those people employed at<br>
+Conectiva, which AFAIK still has more people despite all it&#39;s previous<br>
+departures (which to my understanding most of likely wouldn&#39;t have<br>
+left either under the current situation where remaining staff chose to<br>
+stay) assigned to work on the community distribution than Edge-IT had<br>
+when liquidated. This kinda suggests a notion of the whole<br>
+distribution and anything of importance revolves around these<br>
+relatively few people at Edge-IT, and that the staff at Conectiva,<br>
+despite being made up of more people, they&#39;re less important.. Same<br>
+can be said for community contributors..<br>
+<br>
+So, is this the case? If it&#39;s not, then there shouldn&#39;t be anything in<br>
+the way of continuing involvement in the community and help improve it<br>
+and setting up a community organization together with and around it,<br>
+after all, we&#39;re grownups and should know better than taking out our<br>
+grudges on others..<br>
+I don&#39;t really like implying such and feel uncomfortable about raising<br>
+the questions, but there&#39;s several details concerning this that raises<br>
+the question on where you&#39;re actually acting in the community&#39;s best<br>
+interest or not, if your intentions really are, then I urge you to<br>
+reconsider participate in this attempt on establishing a dialogue..<br>
+<br>
+Certainly there can be other technical differences and desires<br>
+motivating the fork as well, making it more desirable for both parties<br>
+and allowing for them different focus and priorities without being at<br>
+conflict, but this doesn&#39;t have to mean that a split has to happen in<br>
+the community nor that we cannot work together on creating an<br>
+organization together and collaborate rather than burning bridges and<br>
+creating grounds for controversy and hostility. As the interest and<br>
+desires expressed by Matthew and Unity Linux, and their efforts all<br>
+along has shown, there is room for diversity and different focus while<br>
+at the same time actively working on improving relations and how to<br>
+better complement eachother.<br>
+As there&#39;s obviously interest for these things in both the Unity and<br>
+Mandriva community, why wouldn&#39;t there be so in the Mageia community?<br>
+If there&#39;s not, it wouldn&#39;t seem very professional of you, and<br>
+certainly not community friendly nor in the community&#39;s best interest,<br>
+would it?<br>
+The official news and strategy announced by Mandriva certainly doesn&#39;t<br>
+seem to �rumours on bad intentions threatening the community or the<br>
+distribution&#39;s future either, so that shouldn&#39;t be the concern<br>
+either...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And of course it depends on how the powers at Mandriva (I do not mean<br>
+&gt; Laprevote but rather his peers) will see such an obligation, which it<br>
+&gt; will be for them. Would they see it as a necessary move, I mean<br>
+&gt; necessary for their plans, not ours? As we do not know their plans we<br>
+&gt; can&#39;t even speculate about that. I remember an investor talking to a<br>
+&gt; former member of the Mandriva board, advising him to get rid of the<br>
+&gt; enduser community because they only keep the company away from<br>
+&gt; important work. I don&#39;t say that all investors think like that, but<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s a good example.<br>
+Then I guess we should be happy that investor is no longer on the board. ;)<br>
+But certainly with regards to the company and related to the changes<br>
+in it&#39;s management, verifying their current position on the matter and<br>
+ensure their actual interest would certainly be useful before assuming<br>
+or expecting anything. If we have it and a good dialogue is<br>
+established, then much can be done from there.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Of course, a Mandriva company which really means to carry out what<br>
+&gt; Laprevote mentioned in his motivation &quot;news&quot;, a Mandriva company which<br>
+&gt; starts being communicative and transparent where it is possible, a<br>
+&gt; Mandriva company which starts doing what it always claimed to be their<br>
+&gt; commitment (&quot;we are committed to the community&quot;), this could be a good<br>
+&gt; partner, /me thinks, day dreaming.<br>
+Yupp, and we can only find out by giving the chance and try contribute<br>
+to this ourself, it&#39;s a two-way street after all.. :)<br>
+&gt; But as I wrote: I have no voice in this anyway.<br>
+Yupp, but we can at least hope to influence in the best interest, for<br>
+Mageia I personally didn&#39;t really have any real knowledge of before<br>
+after it&#39;s announcement, so I&#39;m not expecting to even have much of a<br>
+voice in by myself, yet I&#39;m hoping logic, reason and mutual benefits<br>
+and goals will come out winning in the end.. :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; BTW: I thought the chief in hugs was Fran�ois Bancilhon? :)<br>
+Well, I&#39;m his secret twin, and as he weren&#39;t granted this overwhelming<br>
+responsibility at the first assembly meeting, he has to share the<br>
+duties with me, tipsy or not. ;)<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Hugziez&amp;kizzez,<br>
+Your BFF &lt;3<br>
+<font color="#888888">Per �yvind<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote></div><br>I am coming in a bit cold into this conversation. Frankly, I am not even clear on what this discussion is even trying to achieve, so please forgive me if I steer this off topic. <br>
+
+<br>What I think is being discussed here is the desire to join the various communities, at least on a certain level, in an attempt to make collaborative work easier, if not on a daily basis, then at least on a roadmap planning basis. Having been part of two MDV derivative developments, I have come to accept what I believe to be inherent truths governing any such effort:<br>
+
+<ul><li>it is impossible to satisfy everyone all the time. As long as there are multiple people involved in a community, there will always be diverging opinions. In large part, it is these ideological disagreements which drive the communities to fraction. Trying to get everyone on the same page is a vein effort. The basis for any collaborative work has to be the underlying understanding that people have their own reasons for doing what they want to do. Others may not agree with those reasons. Those reasons may not even be expressed clearly enough to formulate a proper opinion about them. The bottom line is that communities have to accept this inevitability and work with it instead of around it.<br>
+
+</li><li>nominal participation does not constitute joint development. It takes more than just an occasional email or attendance of a meeting to claim that there is &quot;participation&quot;.</li><li>there must be numerous participants. Having just one or two delegates simply does not provide enough penetration across the development communities to be effective. For example, personal motives can come in the way, availability of the delegate may be limited due to life events, etc. In order to guarantee successful sharing across communities, there must be more than a couple of people sharing the information.</li>
+
+<li>every participant on all sides must be empowered to contribute to the decisions. Clearly, this has to be governed by some guidelines. Otherwise, this may become a free-for-all mess. However, if the contributing members of the individual distributions don&#39;t feel that they have influence over the partner communities, then the entire communities will drift, or worst still, rip apart.</li>
+
+</ul>I am 100% for transparency in development and collaborative work. But I do feel that in order for any such efforts to be successful, the items on the above list have to be addressed first. In my mind, the success of any attempt to unite effort will depend on the success of addressing these topics first.<br>
+
+<br>Just my 2 cents,<br>Paul (gri6507).<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position<br>
+&gt; indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or<br>
+&gt; decision) *must* be their communities one.<br>
+<br>
+</div>There is no need for representative democracy on the Internet, arranging<br>
+local poll in each community and then a global one where the community<br>
+reps vote takes more time and effort than a single global poll.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>And what about people who don&#39;t undersand english, for example?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+All that&#39;s needed is direct links to the global poll from the local<br>
+community web sites so everyone can partecipate.<br></blockquote><div><br>And what happens if the options in the poll doesn&#39;t fit with a specific community needs?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have<br>
+&gt; previously elected their representatives) are represented.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Completely disagree. And what about those Mageia users that don&#39;t have a<br>
+local community or that prefer spending their time on the global forum<br>
+rather than in local forums?<br></blockquote><div><br>As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups whith their own voice and vote.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Again there is zero need for a representative democracy on the Internet.<br>
+It only distorts the true wishes of the users and potentially creates<br>
+local ego-power-positions that only cause controversy and in-fights.<br></blockquote><div><br>I think in a representative meritocracy, in fact... No place for egos and controversy are if the work is evaluated.<br> </div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position<br>
+&gt; indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or<br>
+&gt; decision) *must* be their communities one.<br>
+<br>
+</div>There is no need for representative democracy on the Internet, arranging<br>
+local poll in each community and then a global one where the community<br>
+reps vote takes more time and effort than a single global poll.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>And what about people who don&#39;t undersand english, for example?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+All that&#39;s needed is direct links to the global poll from the local<br>
+community web sites so everyone can partecipate.<br></blockquote><div><br>And what happens if the options in the poll doesn&#39;t fit with a specific community needs?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have<br>
+&gt; previously elected their representatives) are represented.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Completely disagree. And what about those Mageia users that don&#39;t have a<br>
+local community or that prefer spending their time on the global forum<br>
+rather than in local forums?<br></blockquote><div><br>As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups whith their own voice and vote.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Again there is zero need for a representative democracy on the Internet.<br>
+It only distorts the true wishes of the users and potentially creates<br>
+local ego-power-positions that only cause controversy and in-fights.<br></blockquote><div><br>I think in a representative meritocracy, in fact... No place for egos and controversy are if the work is evaluated.<br> </div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<style> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }</style>Certainly, "Works" sounds like a ring bell. It works! (ting!).<br>
+<br>
+But perhaps is a little... non descriptive. <br>
+<br>
+I've heard in this thread one that I love so much: Blender.<br>
+Inspires dinamism, hard work, efficiency... Blender.<br>
+<br>
+Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from Futurama).<br>
+<br>
+--&nbsp;<br>
+Sergio Fernández Cordero
+<br>
+Webmaster - Admin
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.proyectopqmc.com">PROYECTOPQMC.COM</a> - Chorradas y frikismo a cascoporro
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.arcardes.com">ARCARDES.COM</a> - Opine sobre la labor del alcalde o alcaldesa de su municipio.<br>
+ <br>
+<br>
+<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Tue 21/09/10 17:27, "Wolfgang Bornath" molch.b@googlemail.com wrote:<br>
+</span><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(245, 245, 245); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px;">2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('tux99-mga@uridium.org','','','')">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;:
+<br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt;
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; Hmm, you are right but the complaint about prononciation came from an
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; English speaker, not from somebody of a different language and/or
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; cultural background, so I reacted to his words.
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; Where did you get that from? English is my third languange.
+</span><br>
+
+ oh, I thought you could speak and write English?
+<br>
+
+You mean you are not a native English speaker? Same with me as you know.
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; 'Mixer' is surely easier from this point of view.
+</span><br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+Yes, but, well, it does not ring a bell or anything.
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+Anyhow, my favorite is "Works" now.
+<br>
+
+_______________________________________________
+<br>
+
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<br>
+
+M<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('ageia-discuss@mageia.org','','','')">ageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<br>
+
+<a target="_blank" href="parse.php?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmageia-discuss"><span style="color: red;">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</span></a>
+<br>
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+<style> BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; }</style>Certainly, "Works" sounds like a ring bell. It works! (ting!).<br>
+<br>
+But perhaps is a little... non descriptive. <br>
+<br>
+I've heard in this thread one that I love so much: Blender.<br>
+Inspires dinamism, hard work, efficiency... Blender.<br>
+<br>
+Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from Futurama).<br>
+<br>
+--&nbsp;<br>
+Sergio Fernández Cordero
+<br>
+Webmaster - Admin
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.proyectopqmc.com">PROYECTOPQMC.COM</a> - Chorradas y frikismo a cascoporro
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.arcardes.com">ARCARDES.COM</a> - Opine sobre la labor del alcalde o alcaldesa de su municipio.<br>
+ <br>
+<br>
+<span style="font-weight: bold;">On Tue 21/09/10 17:27, "Wolfgang Bornath" molch.b@googlemail.com wrote:<br>
+</span><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(245, 245, 245); margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px;">2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('tux99-mga@uridium.org','','','')">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;:
+<br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt;
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; Hmm, you are right but the complaint about prononciation came from an
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; English speaker, not from somebody of a different language and/or
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;&gt; cultural background, so I reacted to his words.
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt;
+</span><br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; Where did you get that from? English is my third languange.
+</span><br>
+
+ oh, I thought you could speak and write English?
+<br>
+
+You mean you are not a native English speaker? Same with me as you know.
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+<span style="color: red;">&gt; 'Mixer' is surely easier from this point of view.
+</span><br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+Yes, but, well, it does not ring a bell or anything.
+<br>
+
+
+<br>
+
+Anyhow, my favorite is "Works" now.
+<br>
+
+_______________________________________________
+<br>
+
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<br>
+
+M<a href="javascript:top.opencompose('ageia-discuss@mageia.org','','','')">ageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<br>
+
+<a target="_blank" href="parse.php?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fmageia-discuss"><span style="color: red;">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</span></a>
+<br>
+
+<br>
+
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+<br>By the way the "common" authentication for all sevrices that we had in mandriva was really great...<br>If we could use thee same for all forums you are going to create...<br><br>Pierre<br>&gt; Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:29:38 +0200<br>&gt; From: rdalverny@gmail.com<br>&gt; To: marc@marcpare.com; mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 16:55, Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; [...]<br>&gt; &gt; In a perfect setup, the Mageia forums would have a localized section on<br>&gt; &gt; their own main forum board and manage the localized sections themselves. But<br>&gt; &gt; it doesn't sound like people want this. It sounds like people would rather<br>&gt; &gt; go to a localization.mageia.org (or mageia.org/localization) site where all<br>&gt; &gt; services are rendered in their language. It may, in fact, be easier to<br>&gt; &gt; manage things this way. The mageia.org main site would essentially be the<br>&gt; &gt; hub (in English) where the flow of localized (language) were coordinated<br>&gt; &gt; through localized.mageia.org sites<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Or am I hearing things wrong?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; No, I guess you are hearing it right. Good idea as well for the<br>&gt; monthly (or ad hoc) reporting principle, could be interesting and<br>&gt; useful that way.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I guess then we'll go for the mixed approach. Anyway, let's wait for<br>&gt; the temp wiki setup and we'll dig through this.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Romain.<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+<br>By the way the "common" authentication for all sevrices that we had in mandriva was really great...<br>If we could use thee same for all forums you are going to create...<br><br>Pierre<br>&gt; Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:29:38 +0200<br>&gt; From: rdalverny@gmail.com<br>&gt; To: marc@marcpare.com; mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 16:55, Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; [...]<br>&gt; &gt; In a perfect setup, the Mageia forums would have a localized section on<br>&gt; &gt; their own main forum board and manage the localized sections themselves. But<br>&gt; &gt; it doesn't sound like people want this. It sounds like people would rather<br>&gt; &gt; go to a localization.mageia.org (or mageia.org/localization) site where all<br>&gt; &gt; services are rendered in their language. It may, in fact, be easier to<br>&gt; &gt; manage things this way. The mageia.org main site would essentially be the<br>&gt; &gt; hub (in English) where the flow of localized (language) were coordinated<br>&gt; &gt; through localized.mageia.org sites<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Or am I hearing things wrong?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; No, I guess you are hearing it right. Good idea as well for the<br>&gt; monthly (or ad hoc) reporting principle, could be interesting and<br>&gt; useful that way.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I guess then we'll go for the mixed approach. Anyway, let's wait for<br>&gt; the temp wiki setup and we'll dig through this.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Romain.<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<br>
+The forums have been registered under the domain:<br>
+<a href="http://mageiaforums.org/" target="_blank">http://mageiaforums.org/</a><br>
+Register, fill your profiles in and contribute.<br clear="all"><br></blockquote></div><br>Nice logo !<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<br>
+The forums have been registered under the domain:<br>
+<a href="http://mageiaforums.org/" target="_blank">http://mageiaforums.org/</a><br>
+Register, fill your profiles in and contribute.<br clear="all"><br></blockquote></div><br>Nice logo !<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+Well done!!!<br><br>Baza<br>from Brazil<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org</a>. It&#39;s for now in english but other languages<br>
+will follow soon. Spread it<br>
+<br>
+Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki</a>. This is a temporary wiki as explained on<br>
+it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in<br>
+coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+-------<br>
+Anne<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Well done!!!<br><br>Baza<br>from Brazil<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org</a>. It&#39;s for now in english but other languages<br>
+will follow soon. Spread it<br>
+<br>
+Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki</a>. This is a temporary wiki as explained on<br>
+it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in<br>
+coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+-------<br>
+Anne<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Redy Rodríguez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com" target="_blank">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com" target="_blank">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+In that case, if we&#39;re talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it?</blockquote></div></div><br><br>¿Open clipart library crystal ball: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413</a>?<br><br><a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</a><br>
+
+
+<a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</a><br clear="all"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+
+
+<br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org" target="_blank">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br>W<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>With some (4-5) bubbles of oxygen in the top of the crystal, as the potion is cooking !<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Redy Rodríguez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com" target="_blank">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com" target="_blank">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+In that case, if we&#39;re talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it?</blockquote></div></div><br><br>¿Open clipart library crystal ball: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413</a>?<br><br><a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</a><br>
+
+
+<a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</a><br clear="all"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+
+
+<br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org" target="_blank">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br>W<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>With some (4-5) bubbles of oxygen in the top of the crystal, as the potion is cooking !<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Redy Rodríguez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com" target="_blank">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div class="im"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+In that case, if we&#39;re talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it?</blockquote></div></div><br><br>¿Open clipart library crystal ball: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413</a>?<br><br><a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</a><br>
+
+<a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</a><br clear="all"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+
+<br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org" target="_blank">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div><br><br>W<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Redy Rodríguez <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:redy.rodriguez@gmail.com">redy.rodriguez@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com" target="_blank">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div class="im"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+In that case, if we&#39;re talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+    ball to replace it?</blockquote></div></div><br><br>¿Open clipart library crystal ball: <a href="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413" target="_blank">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413</a>?<br><br><a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</a><br>
+
+<a href="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg" target="_blank">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</a><br clear="all"><font color="#888888"><br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br>
+
+<br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org" target="_blank">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br><br><br><br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div><br><br>W<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div id=":6s">First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>
+python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)</div></blockquote></div><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">I really like the name &quot;cauldron&quot;</span></span>.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br><br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div id=":6s">First idea: cauldron, I&#39;d like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the<br>
+python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)</div></blockquote></div><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">I really like the name &quot;cauldron&quot;</span></span>.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.<br><br>[ <a href="http://parolas.thebbs.org">parolas.thebbs.org</a> 100% Linux native ]<br><br>In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+ <img src="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/images/logo_couleur_petit.jpg" dfsrc="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/images/logo_couleur_petit.jpg"><br><font size="2"><strong>SIMOES Joël</strong> - <em>Directeur
+ associé</em></font><br><br><font size="2">www : <a href="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/"><span class="Object" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT189"></span></a><a target="_blank">http://www.lezard-visuel.com</a><br>e-mail : <a href="">joel.simoes@lezard-visuel.com</a><br>tel
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+ : +33 (0) 9 <span style="text-decoration: underline;"></span><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="undefined" id="OBJ_PREFIX_DWT192"><a href="callto:008%204931" onclick="window.top.Com_Zimbra_Phone.unsetOnbeforeunload()">8008 4931</a></span><br>mob
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+ <img src="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/images/logo_couleur_petit.jpg" dfsrc="http://www.lezard-visuel.com/images/logo_couleur_petit.jpg"><br><font size="2"><strong>SIMOES Joël</strong> - <em>Directeur
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:06 AM, atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/22 Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Yes, we should consider how unpronouncible words like australia, austria,<br>
+&gt; autumns and so on are...<br>
+<br>
+</div>Hey, we are trying to share opinions about what we named it. I<br>
+explained my reason. We&#39;re not discussing about other language&#39;s<br>
+words. As i don&#39;t offer any Turkish word. Just point out if there are<br>
+difficulties about distro related names. As for me, also Mageia name<br>
+is a problem alone. Just look at posts about pronouncation. Also, i<br>
+haven&#39;t told you about Turkish fundementalist patriot users reactions<br>
+about a Greek word, altough it is not problem for me and my friends, i<br>
+don&#39;t against which language word have been choosen. Yesterday, some<br>
+Mandriva Turkiye community asked me how they can pronounce new distro<br>
+name, even any of them could not write it correctly. Those words are<br>
+difficult to write or pronounce for my people, like you can&#39;t<br>
+correctly pronounce Turkish  or Arabic words. Thats only my personal<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br></div></div></blockquote><div>+1 <br>i just read the same and i am french guy so i like speak about romanians so don&#39;t be carreful (a trouble with my gvt) <br>but the ideas was nearest the word to describe where to be when not publicly available <br>
+<br>in cauldron cazan chaudron caldera where magician cooking <br></div></div>cradle berceau béso(haitian)   was more human being the first step of life <br>but does &quot;step on !&quot; means not sure ?<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 11:06 AM, atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/22 Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Yes, we should consider how unpronouncible words like australia, austria,<br>
+&gt; autumns and so on are...<br>
+<br>
+</div>Hey, we are trying to share opinions about what we named it. I<br>
+explained my reason. We&#39;re not discussing about other language&#39;s<br>
+words. As i don&#39;t offer any Turkish word. Just point out if there are<br>
+difficulties about distro related names. As for me, also Mageia name<br>
+is a problem alone. Just look at posts about pronouncation. Also, i<br>
+haven&#39;t told you about Turkish fundementalist patriot users reactions<br>
+about a Greek word, altough it is not problem for me and my friends, i<br>
+don&#39;t against which language word have been choosen. Yesterday, some<br>
+Mandriva Turkiye community asked me how they can pronounce new distro<br>
+name, even any of them could not write it correctly. Those words are<br>
+difficult to write or pronounce for my people, like you can&#39;t<br>
+correctly pronounce Turkish  or Arabic words. Thats only my personal<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br></div></div></blockquote><div>+1 <br>i just read the same and i am french guy so i like speak about romanians so don&#39;t be carreful (a trouble with my gvt) <br>but the ideas was nearest the word to describe where to be when not publicly available <br>
+<br>in cauldron cazan chaudron caldera where magician cooking <br></div></div>cradle berceau béso(haitian)   was more human being the first step of life <br>but does &quot;step on !&quot; means not sure ?<br><br><br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one the list is "complete" to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?<br><br>Cheers,<br>Florin<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" &lt;borg1911-n6@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for
+ cooker<br></font><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div>Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.<br><br><br>-Nex6<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+* Olivier Thauvin (<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the<br>&gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.<br><br>I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.<br><br>Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought<br>noise already.<br><br>If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,<br>mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll<br>post a sumarry here if need.<br><br>I did learn a lot of words !<br><br>I made some
+ choice for you (sorry):<br>- read your mail, then take
+ decision according comment<br>- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know<br>&nbsp; trademark, well know software, ...).<br><br>My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change<br>in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.<br><br>The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).<br><br># Abracadabra - Way too long<br><span>Agora - too common, and <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</a></span><br>Alakazam - like the pokemon ?<br>alchemy - hard to pronouce<br>Baker<br>bakery<br># blender - it is the name of a well know software<br>brewery, brew - religious issue<br>Bubbling<br>campus<br>cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)<br>Chef<br>concert<br>crucible<br># Delphi - refer to Borland delphi<br>Dreamspot<br>edge<br>elixir<br>Enchantment<br>fire<br>fireworks<br>foundry<br>genesis<br>harmony<br>#
+ Hephaestus -
+ complicated<br>Infusion<br>kettle<br>kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?<br>Manna<br># mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated<br># mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes<br>mercury<br>mill<br>mixer<br>Mystique - is it correct in english ?<br># Olympus - Camera trademark<br>oven<br>Pan<br># Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "œ"<br># pioneer - trademark<br>Potion room - one uniq word would better<br># Pot - "pott" refer to drugs<br>Presto<br>Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)<br>quicksilver<br>rookery<br># root - will cause mistake with the user<br>stove<br>Synergy - a free software<br># Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier<br># Tea party - politics issue<br>testing - like debian, no personnality<br>transmutation<br>twig<br># unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)<br>Vesuvius<br>Vulcan<br>Vulcano<br>wok<br>works - like Ms product
+ ?<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one the list is "complete" to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?<br><br>Cheers,<br>Florin<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> "borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" &lt;borg1911-n6@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for
+ cooker<br></font><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div>Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.<br><br><br>-Nex6<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+* Olivier Thauvin (<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the<br>&gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.<br><br>I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.<br><br>Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought<br>noise already.<br><br>If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,<br>mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll<br>post a sumarry here if need.<br><br>I did learn a lot of words !<br><br>I made some
+ choice for you (sorry):<br>- read your mail, then take
+ decision according comment<br>- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know<br>&nbsp; trademark, well know software, ...).<br><br>My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change<br>in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.<br><br>The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).<br><br># Abracadabra - Way too long<br><span>Agora - too common, and <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</a></span><br>Alakazam - like the pokemon ?<br>alchemy - hard to pronouce<br>Baker<br>bakery<br># blender - it is the name of a well know software<br>brewery, brew - religious issue<br>Bubbling<br>campus<br>cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)<br>Chef<br>concert<br>crucible<br># Delphi - refer to Borland delphi<br>Dreamspot<br>edge<br>elixir<br>Enchantment<br>fire<br>fireworks<br>foundry<br>genesis<br>harmony<br>#
+ Hephaestus -
+ complicated<br>Infusion<br>kettle<br>kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?<br>Manna<br># mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated<br># mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes<br>mercury<br>mill<br>mixer<br>Mystique - is it correct in english ?<br># Olympus - Camera trademark<br>oven<br>Pan<br># Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "œ"<br># pioneer - trademark<br>Potion room - one uniq word would better<br># Pot - "pott" refer to drugs<br>Presto<br>Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)<br>quicksilver<br>rookery<br># root - will cause mistake with the user<br>stove<br>Synergy - a free software<br># Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier<br># Tea party - politics issue<br>testing - like debian, no personnality<br>transmutation<br>twig<br># unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)<br>Vesuvius<br>Vulcan<br>Vulcano<br>wok<br>works - like Ms product
+ ?<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>&nbsp;<br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, September 22, 2010 9:59:54 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+* Nex6 (<a ymailto="mailto:borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" href="mailto:borg1911-n6@yahoo.com">borg1911-n6@yahoo.com</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; that's what happened to me....&nbsp; as I just joined the list last nite.<br><br>Usually when I join a new list, I wait a bit before posting or check<br>archives.<br><br>Regards.<br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br><br><br>usually I am more careful....<br><br><br>:)<br><br><br><br>-Nex6<br></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>&nbsp;<br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, September 22, 2010 9:59:54 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+* Nex6 (<a ymailto="mailto:borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" href="mailto:borg1911-n6@yahoo.com">borg1911-n6@yahoo.com</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; that's what happened to me....&nbsp; as I just joined the list last nite.<br><br>Usually when I join a new list, I wait a bit before posting or check<br>archives.<br><br>Regards.<br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br><br><br>usually I am more careful....<br><br><br>:)<br><br><br><br>-Nex6<br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/22 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/</a> -- official news blog for Mageia<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start</a> -- Mageia contribution site. This where you will want to register your name to contribute to the Mageia project<br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</a>  -- Flicker site for the Logo contest<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+---------------<br>
+Official Usenet discussion groups on Gmane:<br>
+---------------<br>
+<br>
+mageia-dev:<br>
+<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel" target="_blank">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</a><br>
+nntp://<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel" target="_blank">news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</a><br>
+<br>
+mageia-discuss:<br>
+<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user" target="_blank">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</a><br>
+nntp://<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user" target="_blank">news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</a><br>
+<br>
+mageia-announce<br>
+<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce" target="_blank">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce</a><br>
+nntp://<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce" target="_blank">news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br clear="all"></blockquote></div><br>These links may be shown in the fisrt place <a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a> ?<br><br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/22 Marc Paré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/</a> -- official news blog for Mageia<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start</a> -- Mageia contribution site. This where you will want to register your name to contribute to the Mageia project<br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</a>  -- Flicker site for the Logo contest<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+---------------<br>
+Official Usenet discussion groups on Gmane:<br>
+---------------<br>
+<br>
+mageia-dev:<br>
+<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel" target="_blank">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</a><br>
+nntp://<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel" target="_blank">news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</a><br>
+<br>
+mageia-discuss:<br>
+<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user" target="_blank">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</a><br>
+nntp://<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user" target="_blank">news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</a><br>
+<br>
+mageia-announce<br>
+<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce" target="_blank">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce</a><br>
+nntp://<a href="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce" target="_blank">news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br clear="all"></blockquote></div><br>These links may be shown in the fisrt place <a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a> ?<br><br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:16 AM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+----- Mail Original -----<br>
+De: &quot;Tonton&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:to.tonton@gmail.com">to.tonton@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+À: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Envoyé: Mercredi 22 Septembre 2010 09h14:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne<br>
+Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+What&#39;s mean cooker ?<br>
+<br>
+the program to install M* on drive<br>
+or development version between two release ?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Hello,<br>
+<br>
+cooker is the &quot; development version between two release&quot;, the time where we &quot;cooked&quot; a new version :)<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>and you want keep the same <br>not stable <br>unstable <br>or you will have cooker-stable <br><br>now all distribution have depots where to get version of packadge  <br>does we will mix version between relase stable test <br>
+and  cazan-stable cazan-test for access a specifique packadge want to update?<br><br>cazan is cauldron in roumanian <br>like caldera in spanish<br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:16 AM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr">nicolas.lecureuil@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+----- Mail Original -----<br>
+De: &quot;Tonton&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:to.tonton@gmail.com">to.tonton@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+À: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Envoyé: Mercredi 22 Septembre 2010 09h14:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne<br>
+Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+What&#39;s mean cooker ?<br>
+<br>
+the program to install M* on drive<br>
+or development version between two release ?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>Hello,<br>
+<br>
+cooker is the &quot; development version between two release&quot;, the time where we &quot;cooked&quot; a new version :)<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div><br>and you want keep the same <br>not stable <br>unstable <br>or you will have cooker-stable <br><br>now all distribution have depots where to get version of packadge  <br>does we will mix version between relase stable test <br>
+and  cazan-stable cazan-test for access a specifique packadge want to update?<br><br>cazan is cauldron in roumanian <br>like caldera in spanish<br></div></div>
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+What&#39;s mean cooker ? <br><br>the program to install M* on drive <br>or development version between two release ? <br><br><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+<br>
+</div>I was thinking pinguin lay eggs so I suggest simply :<br>
+<br>
+nid<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t think it can cause trouble in any language but not sure, tell me.<br>
+So Magieia developpement will born in a  magic nid called mageia nid<br>
+<br>
+Do you agree ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>or Cradle ? <br></div></div>
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+<br>
+</div>I was thinking pinguin lay eggs so I suggest simply :<br>
+<br>
+nid<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t think it can cause trouble in any language but not sure, tell me.<br>
+So Magieia developpement will born in a  magic nid called mageia nid<br>
+<br>
+Do you agree ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>or Cradle ? <br></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.<br><br><br>-Nex6<br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+* Olivier Thauvin (<a ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<a ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the<br>&gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.<br><br>I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.<br><br>Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought<br>noise already.<br><br>If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,<br>mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll<br>post a sumarry here if need.<br><br>I did learn a lot of words !<br><br>I made some choice for you (sorry):<br>- read your mail, then take
+ decision according comment<br>- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know<br>&nbsp; trademark, well know software, ...).<br><br>My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change<br>in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.<br><br>The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).<br><br># Abracadabra - Way too long<br><span>Agora - too common, and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</a></span><br>Alakazam - like the pokemon ?<br>alchemy - hard to pronouce<br>Baker<br>bakery<br># blender - it is the name of a well know software<br>brewery, brew - religious issue<br>Bubbling<br>campus<br>cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)<br>Chef<br>concert<br>crucible<br># Delphi - refer to Borland delphi<br>Dreamspot<br>edge<br>elixir<br>Enchantment<br>fire<br>fireworks<br>foundry<br>genesis<br>harmony<br># Hephaestus -
+ complicated<br>Infusion<br>kettle<br>kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?<br>Manna<br># mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated<br># mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes<br>mercury<br>mill<br>mixer<br>Mystique - is it correct in english ?<br># Olympus - Camera trademark<br>oven<br>Pan<br># Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "œ"<br># pioneer - trademark<br>Potion room - one uniq word would better<br># Pot - "pott" refer to drugs<br>Presto<br>Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)<br>quicksilver<br>rookery<br># root - will cause mistake with the user<br>stove<br>Synergy - a free software<br># Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier<br># Tea party - politics issue<br>testing - like debian, no personnality<br>transmutation<br>twig<br># unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)<br>Vesuvius<br>Vulcan<br>Vulcano<br>wok<br>works - like Ms product
+ ?<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.<br><br><br>-Nex6<br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+* Olivier Thauvin (<a ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<a ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the<br>&gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.<br><br>I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.<br><br>Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought<br>noise already.<br><br>If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,<br>mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll<br>post a sumarry here if need.<br><br>I did learn a lot of words !<br><br>I made some choice for you (sorry):<br>- read your mail, then take
+ decision according comment<br>- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know<br>&nbsp; trademark, well know software, ...).<br><br>My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change<br>in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.<br><br>The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).<br><br># Abracadabra - Way too long<br><span>Agora - too common, and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</a></span><br>Alakazam - like the pokemon ?<br>alchemy - hard to pronouce<br>Baker<br>bakery<br># blender - it is the name of a well know software<br>brewery, brew - religious issue<br>Bubbling<br>campus<br>cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)<br>Chef<br>concert<br>crucible<br># Delphi - refer to Borland delphi<br>Dreamspot<br>edge<br>elixir<br>Enchantment<br>fire<br>fireworks<br>foundry<br>genesis<br>harmony<br># Hephaestus -
+ complicated<br>Infusion<br>kettle<br>kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?<br>Manna<br># mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated<br># mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes<br>mercury<br>mill<br>mixer<br>Mystique - is it correct in english ?<br># Olympus - Camera trademark<br>oven<br>Pan<br># Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "œ"<br># pioneer - trademark<br>Potion room - one uniq word would better<br># Pot - "pott" refer to drugs<br>Presto<br>Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)<br>quicksilver<br>rookery<br># root - will cause mistake with the user<br>stove<br>Synergy - a free software<br># Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier<br># Tea party - politics issue<br>testing - like debian, no personnality<br>transmutation<br>twig<br># unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)<br>Vesuvius<br>Vulcan<br>Vulcano<br>wok<br>works - like Ms product
+ ?<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br></div></div>
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+Pardon me, I&#39;ve been a little bit out. What happened to OpenSolaris?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">On offer from OpenSuse to offer your build system, I would like to remind them that an article in the NY Post &lt; <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO" target="_blank">http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO</a> &gt;  says that, in about 4 weeks, Novell, Inc. will be sold to two companies, one that will stay with the Linux partition and one that will hold the rest. It is speculated that the party who will remain with Linux is that VMWare, inc.<br>
+
+<br>
+This warning is just to stay alert. Remember what happened to OpenSolaris after Oracle buy Sun. Would not it be nice if we had a promise now that could not be performed later.<br>
+<br>
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+Pardon me, I&#39;ve been a little bit out. What happened to OpenSolaris?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/21 André Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">On offer from OpenSuse to offer your build system, I would like to remind them that an article in the NY Post &lt; <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO" target="_blank">http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO</a> &gt;  says that, in about 4 weeks, Novell, Inc. will be sold to two companies, one that will stay with the Linux partition and one that will hold the rest. It is speculated that the party who will remain with Linux is that VMWare, inc.<br>
+
+<br>
+This warning is just to stay alert. Remember what happened to OpenSolaris after Oracle buy Sun. Would not it be nice if we had a promise now that could not be performed later.<br>
+<br>
+_____________________________________________________________<br>
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+Thanks, I had a bad feeling at the moment Sun got acquired by Oracle...<br>That&#39;s life...<br>I&#39;ve always liked very much the stability of Solaris.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 20:19 +0300, Mihai Dobrescu a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Pardon me, I&#39;ve been a little bit out. What happened to OpenSolaris?<br>
+<br>
+</div>This :<br>
+<a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/400083/" target="_blank">http://lwn.net/Articles/400083/</a><br>
+and this :<br>
+<a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/405313/" target="_blank">http://lwn.net/Articles/405313/</a><br>
+<br>
+basically, oracle killed it, to be revived a community project.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Thanks, I had a bad feeling at the moment Sun got acquired by Oracle...<br>That&#39;s life...<br>I&#39;ve always liked very much the stability of Solaris.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 20:19 +0300, Mihai Dobrescu a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Pardon me, I&#39;ve been a little bit out. What happened to OpenSolaris?<br>
+<br>
+</div>This :<br>
+<a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/400083/" target="_blank">http://lwn.net/Articles/400083/</a><br>
+and this :<br>
+<a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/405313/" target="_blank">http://lwn.net/Articles/405313/</a><br>
+<br>
+basically, oracle killed it, to be revived a community project.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Scherer &lt;misc@zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, September 22, 2010 11:39:57 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums<br></font><br>
+Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 � 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a �crit :<br><br>&gt; While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia <br>&gt; and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a <br>&gt; reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can <br>&gt; post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would <br>&gt; bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.<br><br>Well, no for several reasons:<br><br>1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.<br>And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and<br>non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the<br>simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ). <br><br>2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:<br><br>- depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you<br>didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing (
+ at least, it does<br>stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something<br>important or not )<br><br>- you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution<br>allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't<br>interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )<br><br>- you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess<br><br>- you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,<br>to highlight post with keyword ) <br><br>- you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when<br>specialized ml will appear )<br><br>- you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for<br>git with git am )<br><br>- you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )<br><br>- most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute<br>part )<br><br>So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so
+ uncommon<br>one among the&nbsp; FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.<br><br><br>Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,<br>seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass<br>in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically<br>changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and<br>that still reflect my thoughts.<br><br>Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like<br>Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various<br>task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing<br>the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for<br>everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to<br>get on the forum. <br><br>So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that<br>not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well,
+ while<br>reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know<br>and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I<br>have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many<br>mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope<br>with a user forums. <br><br>When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic",<br>or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to<br>only have the more important discussion ( ie, a<br>packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ). <br><br>-- <br>Michael Scherer<br><br><br><br>I am torn, on the ML vs Forums thing. I like forums, and I think for normal users it would be easier for them. but; for more active devs/user other Mageia personnel a ML would be better. <br><br>not, sure how to resolve it, its an age old
+ question.<br><br>-Nex6<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Scherer &lt;misc@zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, September 22, 2010 11:39:57 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums<br></font><br>
+Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 � 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a �crit :<br><br>&gt; While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia <br>&gt; and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a <br>&gt; reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can <br>&gt; post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would <br>&gt; bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.<br><br>Well, no for several reasons:<br><br>1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.<br>And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and<br>non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the<br>simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ). <br><br>2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:<br><br>- depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you<br>didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing (
+ at least, it does<br>stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something<br>important or not )<br><br>- you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution<br>allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't<br>interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )<br><br>- you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess<br><br>- you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,<br>to highlight post with keyword ) <br><br>- you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when<br>specialized ml will appear )<br><br>- you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for<br>git with git am )<br><br>- you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )<br><br>- most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute<br>part )<br><br>So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so
+ uncommon<br>one among the&nbsp; FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.<br><br><br>Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,<br>seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass<br>in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically<br>changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and<br>that still reflect my thoughts.<br><br>Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like<br>Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various<br>task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing<br>the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for<br>everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to<br>get on the forum. <br><br>So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that<br>not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well,
+ while<br>reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know<br>and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I<br>have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many<br>mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope<br>with a user forums. <br><br>When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic",<br>or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to<br>only have the more important discussion ( ie, a<br>packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ). <br><br>-- <br>Michael Scherer<br><br><br><br>I am torn, on the ML vs Forums thing. I like forums, and I think for normal users it would be easier for them. but; for more active devs/user other Mageia personnel a ML would be better. <br><br>not, sure how to resolve it, its an age old
+ question.<br><br>-Nex6<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></div>
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+    22.09.2010 12:13, Catalin Florin RUSSEN kirjutas:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:25547.89698.qm@web29609.mail.ird.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <pre wrap="">He he, funny name, "cazan" means cauldron in Romanian, or "marmite" in French.
+
+Why not call it: SPARK
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Cătălin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Spark sounds like a good
+      idea too..</font><br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
+Sander</pre>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:25547.89698.qm@web29609.mail.ird.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
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+    22.09.2010 12:13, Catalin Florin RUSSEN kirjutas:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:25547.89698.qm@web29609.mail.ird.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <pre wrap="">He he, funny name, "cazan" means cauldron in Romanian, or "marmite" in French.
+
+Why not call it: SPARK
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Cătălin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Spark sounds like a good
+      idea too..</font><br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
+Sander</pre>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:25547.89698.qm@web29609.mail.ird.yahoo.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+
+_______________________________________________
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+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
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+Hi all.<br><br>MDK-trans has translated the first mageia&#39;s blog post to spanish.<br><br>I post the translation here, feel free to use.<br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>¡Gracias!<br>
+
+Publicado el 21 de septiembre de 2010 por ennael<br>
+<br>
+No sabíamos cómo empezar esto, así que vamos a hacerlo de la manera más obvia.<br>
+<br>
+Muchachos, gracias.<br>
+<br>
+Muchas gracias por vuestro entusiasmo, vuestras solicitudes para<br>
+uniros, para ayudar a este proyecto, por proporcionar inspiración<br>
+sobre la infraestrucutra de hardware, el sistema de compilación, la<br>
+gestión de la comunidad, temas artísticos, ¡tantas cosas!<br>
+<br>
+Ha sido diferente para cada uno de nosotros, pero la idea de hacer<br>
+algo distinto ha ido madurando durante meses hasta ahora. Las cosas<br>
+realmente se materializaron hace pocos días a medida que los debates<br>
+se concretaban más, y ahora aquí estamos.<br>
+<br>
+Sabíamos que era un movimiento importante; que probablemente podríamos<br>
+dar primeros pasos en falso y que deberíamos proceder con cuidado.<br>
+Vuestro recibimiento de las noticias simplemente ha excedido nuestros<br>
+sueños más desatados.<br>
+<br>
+Ver a tanta gente de las comunidades de cooker y de usuarios, y<br>
+también gente que lo había dejado en años anteriores, convergiendo<br>
+todos juntos confirma nuestra resolución de que hacer una distribución<br>
+completamente basada en la comunidad era, es, la dirección correcta.<br>
+<br>
+No se trata sólo de un pequeño grupo de gente, se trata de lo que<br>
+pueden hacer con una tecnología que diseñemos, construyamos y usemos<br>
+cada día a través de una organización que asegure la colaboración,<br>
+innovación, producción y beneficios a todos.<br>
+<br>
+Una vez más, esto no será fácil, instantáneo ni directo. Estamos<br>
+asentando los primeros pasos organizativos para que todos nosotros<br>
+podamos empezar a trabajar en este nuevo proyecto.<br>
+<br>
+Así que, ¡empecemos juntos!<br><br>------------------------------------------------------<br>
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+Hi all.<br><br>MDK-trans has translated the first mageia&#39;s blog post to spanish.<br><br>I post the translation here, feel free to use.<br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>¡Gracias!<br>
+
+Publicado el 21 de septiembre de 2010 por ennael<br>
+<br>
+No sabíamos cómo empezar esto, así que vamos a hacerlo de la manera más obvia.<br>
+<br>
+Muchachos, gracias.<br>
+<br>
+Muchas gracias por vuestro entusiasmo, vuestras solicitudes para<br>
+uniros, para ayudar a este proyecto, por proporcionar inspiración<br>
+sobre la infraestrucutra de hardware, el sistema de compilación, la<br>
+gestión de la comunidad, temas artísticos, ¡tantas cosas!<br>
+<br>
+Ha sido diferente para cada uno de nosotros, pero la idea de hacer<br>
+algo distinto ha ido madurando durante meses hasta ahora. Las cosas<br>
+realmente se materializaron hace pocos días a medida que los debates<br>
+se concretaban más, y ahora aquí estamos.<br>
+<br>
+Sabíamos que era un movimiento importante; que probablemente podríamos<br>
+dar primeros pasos en falso y que deberíamos proceder con cuidado.<br>
+Vuestro recibimiento de las noticias simplemente ha excedido nuestros<br>
+sueños más desatados.<br>
+<br>
+Ver a tanta gente de las comunidades de cooker y de usuarios, y<br>
+también gente que lo había dejado en años anteriores, convergiendo<br>
+todos juntos confirma nuestra resolución de que hacer una distribución<br>
+completamente basada en la comunidad era, es, la dirección correcta.<br>
+<br>
+No se trata sólo de un pequeño grupo de gente, se trata de lo que<br>
+pueden hacer con una tecnología que diseñemos, construyamos y usemos<br>
+cada día a través de una organización que asegure la colaboración,<br>
+innovación, producción y beneficios a todos.<br>
+<br>
+Una vez más, esto no será fácil, instantáneo ni directo. Estamos<br>
+asentando los primeros pasos organizativos para que todos nosotros<br>
+podamos empezar a trabajar en este nuevo proyecto.<br>
+<br>
+Así que, ¡empecemos juntos!<br><br>------------------------------------------------------<br>
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+Le 21/09/2010 20:28, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTi=ajzvN-eXjruxx01Tsvb+yyFsiZRR09sYu7R91@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">2010/9/21 Maurice Batey <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">&lt;maurice@bcs.org.uk&gt;</a>:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">Why does the
+
+   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he</a>
+
+pronunciation differ from others in here?!
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""> Maybe because it is run by a USA based christian organisation who
+focus on the bible while most people here who gave their prononciation
+are native Greek speakers ?</pre>
+</blockquote>
+Because this thread is entitled "what is the origin of the word
+mageia", I just add the following little piece of information. I had
+dinner yesterday in a very pleasant japanese restaurant in Paris, and,
+well, one of the participants was an erudite scholar, specialized in
+ancient greek. I asked him about "mageia". He said it was a very
+interesting term, the origin of which is still much debated. It is
+generally thought to be linked to some proper names, like Machaon, a
+warrior   on the side of the greeks in the Trojan War. Most
+interestingly Machaon was a valued surgeon and medic.<br>
+My friend said that the root *"mak-"*  (considered by philologists to
+be linked to both "Machaon" and "mageia") was considered to be a
+derivative of a Persian word, meaning something like : *vault*,
+*protective vault* and in a more abstact derived meaning : *protective
+knowledge* (hence the link with Machaon a character  mastering such
+protective knowledge as medecine and surgery and the drift toward the
+"magic" meaning).<br>
+The debate about the word is not about what I just summarized, he
+said,  but rather is this : "are proper names like Machaon, for
+chararcters linked to protective knowledge, the origin of the term
+which then drifted to a common name like "mageia", or, conversely was
+the common name mageia the primary term which then drifted to secondary
+proper names such as Machaon?"<br>
+Some notion of 'protective knowledge' for the proper name of a  Linux
+project is perhaps not so bad, don't you think so ?<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Le 21/09/2010 20:28, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTi=ajzvN-eXjruxx01Tsvb+yyFsiZRR09sYu7R91@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">2010/9/21 Maurice Batey <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">&lt;maurice@bcs.org.uk&gt;</a>:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">Why does the
+
+   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he</a>
+
+pronunciation differ from others in here?!
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""> Maybe because it is run by a USA based christian organisation who
+focus on the bible while most people here who gave their prononciation
+are native Greek speakers ?</pre>
+</blockquote>
+Because this thread is entitled "what is the origin of the word
+mageia", I just add the following little piece of information. I had
+dinner yesterday in a very pleasant japanese restaurant in Paris, and,
+well, one of the participants was an erudite scholar, specialized in
+ancient greek. I asked him about "mageia". He said it was a very
+interesting term, the origin of which is still much debated. It is
+generally thought to be linked to some proper names, like Machaon, a
+warrior   on the side of the greeks in the Trojan War. Most
+interestingly Machaon was a valued surgeon and medic.<br>
+My friend said that the root *"mak-"*  (considered by philologists to
+be linked to both "Machaon" and "mageia") was considered to be a
+derivative of a Persian word, meaning something like : *vault*,
+*protective vault* and in a more abstact derived meaning : *protective
+knowledge* (hence the link with Machaon a character  mastering such
+protective knowledge as medecine and surgery and the drift toward the
+"magic" meaning).<br>
+The debate about the word is not about what I just summarized, he
+said,  but rather is this : "are proper names like Machaon, for
+chararcters linked to protective knowledge, the origin of the term
+which then drifted to a common name like "mageia", or, conversely was
+the common name mageia the primary term which then drifted to secondary
+proper names such as Machaon?"<br>
+Some notion of 'protective knowledge' for the proper name of a  Linux
+project is perhaps not so bad, don't you think so ?<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Thats a good idea, but I was "voting up" what many others had already said. that: cauldron was a good choice. <br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br>or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new thread just for 'voting'. at the end of&nbsp; a voting period. name choosen.&nbsp; <br><br><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Catalin Florin RUSSEN &lt;cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, September 22, 2010 8:58:36
+ AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+<div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div>Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one the list is "complete" to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?<br><br>Cheers,<br>Florin<br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" &lt;borg1911-n6@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for
+ cooker<br></font><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div>Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.<br><br><br>-Nex6<br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+* Olivier Thauvin (<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the<br>&gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.<br><br>I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.<br><br>Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought<br>noise already.<br><br>If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,<br>mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll<br>post a sumarry here if need.<br><br>I did learn a lot of words !<br><br>I made some
+ choice for you (sorry):<br>- read your mail, then take
+ decision according comment<br>- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know<br>&nbsp; trademark, well know software, ...).<br><br>My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change<br>in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.<br><br>The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).<br><br># Abracadabra - Way too long<br><span><span>Agora - too common, and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</a></span></span><br>Alakazam - like the pokemon ?<br>alchemy - hard to pronouce<br>Baker<br>bakery<br># blender - it is the name of a well know software<br>brewery, brew - religious issue<br>Bubbling<br>campus<br>cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)<br>Chef<br>concert<br>crucible<br># Delphi - refer to Borland delphi<br>Dreamspot<br>edge<br>elixir<br>Enchantment<br>fire<br>fireworks<br>foundry<br>genesis<br>harmony<br>#
+ Hephaestus -
+ complicated<br>Infusion<br>kettle<br>kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?<br>Manna<br># mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated<br># mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes<br>mercury<br>mill<br>mixer<br>Mystique - is it correct in english ?<br># Olympus - Camera trademark<br>oven<br>Pan<br># Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "œ"<br># pioneer - trademark<br>Potion room - one uniq word would better<br># Pot - "pott" refer to drugs<br>Presto<br>Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)<br>quicksilver<br>rookery<br># root - will cause mistake with the user<br>stove<br>Synergy - a free software<br># Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier<br># Tea party - politics issue<br>testing - like debian, no personnality<br>transmutation<br>twig<br># unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)<br>Vesuvius<br>Vulcan<br>Vulcano<br>wok<br>works - like Ms product
+ ?<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br></div></div>
+
+
+
+</div></div></div>
+</div><br>
+
+
+
+      </div></div>
+
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+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Thats a good idea, but I was "voting up" what many others had already said. that: cauldron was a good choice. <br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br>or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new thread just for 'voting'. at the end of&nbsp; a voting period. name choosen.&nbsp; <br><br><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Catalin Florin RUSSEN &lt;cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, September 22, 2010 8:58:36
+ AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+<div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><div>Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one the list is "complete" to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?<br><br>Cheers,<br>Florin<br></div><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> "borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" &lt;borg1911-n6@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for
+ cooker<br></font><br><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div>Hi all, I am new here but "cauldron" is a good name.<br><br><br>-Nex6<br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt;"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Olivier Thauvin &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker<br></font><br>
+* Olivier Thauvin (<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>) wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for "cooker", eg the<br>&gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.<br><br>I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.<br><br>Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought<br>noise already.<br><br>If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,<br>mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll<br>post a sumarry here if need.<br><br>I did learn a lot of words !<br><br>I made some
+ choice for you (sorry):<br>- read your mail, then take
+ decision according comment<br>- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know<br>&nbsp; trademark, well know software, ...).<br><br>My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change<br>in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.<br><br>The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).<br><br># Abracadabra - Way too long<br><span><span>Agora - too common, and <a target="_blank" href="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</a></span></span><br>Alakazam - like the pokemon ?<br>alchemy - hard to pronouce<br>Baker<br>bakery<br># blender - it is the name of a well know software<br>brewery, brew - religious issue<br>Bubbling<br>campus<br>cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)<br>Chef<br>concert<br>crucible<br># Delphi - refer to Borland delphi<br>Dreamspot<br>edge<br>elixir<br>Enchantment<br>fire<br>fireworks<br>foundry<br>genesis<br>harmony<br>#
+ Hephaestus -
+ complicated<br>Infusion<br>kettle<br>kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?<br>Manna<br># mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated<br># mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes<br>mercury<br>mill<br>mixer<br>Mystique - is it correct in english ?<br># Olympus - Camera trademark<br>oven<br>Pan<br># Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error "œ"<br># pioneer - trademark<br>Potion room - one uniq word would better<br># Pot - "pott" refer to drugs<br>Presto<br>Prometheus - "Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe", I suggest to avoid... :)<br>quicksilver<br>rookery<br># root - will cause mistake with the user<br>stove<br>Synergy - a free software<br># Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier<br># Tea party - politics issue<br>testing - like debian, no personnality<br>transmutation<br>twig<br># unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)<br>Vesuvius<br>Vulcan<br>Vulcano<br>wok<br>works - like Ms product
+ ?<br><br><br>-- <br><br>Olivier Thauvin<br>CNRS&nbsp; -&nbsp; LATMOS<br>♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br></div></div>
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+Hi, I&#39;m Gamaliel Lamboy. I am a student of Economics at Puerto Rico University, with a minor concentration in Cooperativism. I was truly impressed by your efforts to fork Mandriva Linux into a full community-based operating system, and I fully advocate it. I look forward to contributing, although probably not in coding (I am no programmer), to the community in various ways, including promoting it among my academic and personal environment (I have been getting people on Linux for a good amount of time now, and would certainly move them to Mageia ASAP).<br>
+
+<br>Regarding the future plans, I was thinking that you could consider becoming a cooperative, since it upholds most of the values behind free software by itself, is a community enterprise, and -being an established movement- has an enormous amount of financial resources available to its development. It is offered simply a means to fund the community, not a community in itself. I will brief a bit why I think this is a good choice, but in the end it&#39;s the community&#39;s choice what should reign, and I will support it whichever way I can (I&#39;m unemployed right now) regardless of their choice.<br>
+
+<br>1 - collective capital. That means the project will never be individually owned or become a free rider inside a corporation&#39;s umbrella. More importantly, it ensures democracy in the decisions due to joint ownership (there is a whole standardized structure to ensure democracy and full excercise of joint ownership inside cooperatives).<br>
+
+2 - transparency. Cooperatives and Linux believe in openness, which in Linux means anybody can use, modify and redistribute particular works. A similar thing happens in cooperatives; every associate holds the institution accountable for the safe management of their funding, which means that all accountings and dealings must be openly communicated to all members.<br>
+
+3 - opportunities - Cooperatives have created a complete ecosystem for funding, educating, and assisting emerging institutions: there are international alliances such as the <a href="http://www.ica.coop" target="_blank">International Cooperative Alliance</a>, thousands of national-scale organizations, cooperative banks, and virtually almost any kind of service possible. By choosing to create a cooperative, we would not necessarily need to rely on our own capital, but we could finance our initial investments through cooperatives specially dedicated for the development of these community enterprises. (e.g. <a href="http://www.cdscotland.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.cdscotland.co.uk/</a>).<br>
+
+4 - it is a nonprofit organization by its own structure.<br><br>My idea is that we create a software cooperative that is dedicated to funding Mageia Linux through various digital and cooperative means. The cooperative would contribute to Mageia, and Mageia would contribute back to the community. That&#39;s the general plan, but I can make more specific statements and answers to queries if needed/wanted.<br>
+
+<br>Anyway, the most important thing is, it&#39;s a means to help the entire Linux community grow. The definition of cooperative says much more than my blabbering: &quot;A co-operative is an autonomous association of persons united 
+voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs 
+and aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled 
+enterprise.&quot; It&#39;s close enough to what you guys are doing.<br><br>There are a gazillion resources to help you guys organize into this model: we only need to adapt to it.<br><br>Just my 2 cents.<br>
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+Hi, I&#39;m Gamaliel Lamboy. I am a student of Economics at Puerto Rico University, with a minor concentration in Cooperativism. I was truly impressed by your efforts to fork Mandriva Linux into a full community-based operating system, and I fully advocate it. I look forward to contributing, although probably not in coding (I am no programmer), to the community in various ways, including promoting it among my academic and personal environment (I have been getting people on Linux for a good amount of time now, and would certainly move them to Mageia ASAP).<br>
+
+<br>Regarding the future plans, I was thinking that you could consider becoming a cooperative, since it upholds most of the values behind free software by itself, is a community enterprise, and -being an established movement- has an enormous amount of financial resources available to its development. It is offered simply a means to fund the community, not a community in itself. I will brief a bit why I think this is a good choice, but in the end it&#39;s the community&#39;s choice what should reign, and I will support it whichever way I can (I&#39;m unemployed right now) regardless of their choice.<br>
+
+<br>1 - collective capital. That means the project will never be individually owned or become a free rider inside a corporation&#39;s umbrella. More importantly, it ensures democracy in the decisions due to joint ownership (there is a whole standardized structure to ensure democracy and full excercise of joint ownership inside cooperatives).<br>
+
+2 - transparency. Cooperatives and Linux believe in openness, which in Linux means anybody can use, modify and redistribute particular works. A similar thing happens in cooperatives; every associate holds the institution accountable for the safe management of their funding, which means that all accountings and dealings must be openly communicated to all members.<br>
+
+3 - opportunities - Cooperatives have created a complete ecosystem for funding, educating, and assisting emerging institutions: there are international alliances such as the <a href="http://www.ica.coop" target="_blank">International Cooperative Alliance</a>, thousands of national-scale organizations, cooperative banks, and virtually almost any kind of service possible. By choosing to create a cooperative, we would not necessarily need to rely on our own capital, but we could finance our initial investments through cooperatives specially dedicated for the development of these community enterprises. (e.g. <a href="http://www.cdscotland.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.cdscotland.co.uk/</a>).<br>
+
+4 - it is a nonprofit organization by its own structure.<br><br>My idea is that we create a software cooperative that is dedicated to funding Mageia Linux through various digital and cooperative means. The cooperative would contribute to Mageia, and Mageia would contribute back to the community. That&#39;s the general plan, but I can make more specific statements and answers to queries if needed/wanted.<br>
+
+<br>Anyway, the most important thing is, it&#39;s a means to help the entire Linux community grow. The definition of cooperative says much more than my blabbering: &quot;A co-operative is an autonomous association of persons united 
+voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs 
+and aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled 
+enterprise.&quot; It&#39;s close enough to what you guys are doing.<br><br>There are a gazillion resources to help you guys organize into this model: we only need to adapt to it.<br><br>Just my 2 cents.<br>
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+Le 2010-09-22 12:27, Tux99 a �crit :<br>&gt; On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Kira wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; ��� Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:10:00 +0800, Nex6&lt;<a ymailto="mailto:borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" href="mailto:borg1911-n6@yahoo.com">borg1911-n6@yahoo.com</a>&gt;������:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Thats a good idea, but I was "voting up" what many others had already<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; said.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; that: cauldron was a good choice.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; thread just<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; for 'voting'. at the end of&nbsp; a voting period. name choosen.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Voting should be done with more open voting system.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; By mailing list would make less people can vote and cause everyone<br>&gt;&gt; using&nbsp; mailing list flooded<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; with voting
+ mail, which might be annoying.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Maybe some voting web function put on the homepage is better.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Nex6, Kira, Olivier Thauvin is rorganizing this and he will set up<br>&gt; appropiate voting, he said so yesterday here in thi thread, so please<br>&gt; wait for further news from him.<br><br>We will need to keep repeating this as new people on the mailist do not <br>have all of the messages from this thread. They think that the subject <br>line "New name for cooker" is still being discussed. Less of a problem <br>for the Usenet/Gmane readers.<br><br>Marc<br><br><br>that's what happened to me....&nbsp; as I just joined the list last nite.<br><br>-Nex6<br><br></div></div>
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+Le 2010-09-22 12:27, Tux99 a �crit :<br>&gt; On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Kira wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; ��� Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:10:00 +0800, Nex6&lt;<a ymailto="mailto:borg1911-n6@yahoo.com" href="mailto:borg1911-n6@yahoo.com">borg1911-n6@yahoo.com</a>&gt;������:<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; Thats a good idea, but I was "voting up" what many others had already<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; said.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; that: cauldron was a good choice.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; thread just<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; for 'voting'. at the end of&nbsp; a voting period. name choosen.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Voting should be done with more open voting system.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; By mailing list would make less people can vote and cause everyone<br>&gt;&gt; using&nbsp; mailing list flooded<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; with voting
+ mail, which might be annoying.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Maybe some voting web function put on the homepage is better.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Nex6, Kira, Olivier Thauvin is rorganizing this and he will set up<br>&gt; appropiate voting, he said so yesterday here in thi thread, so please<br>&gt; wait for further news from him.<br><br>We will need to keep repeating this as new people on the mailist do not <br>have all of the messages from this thread. They think that the subject <br>line "New name for cooker" is still being discussed. Less of a problem <br>for the Usenet/Gmane readers.<br><br>Marc<br><br><br>that's what happened to me....&nbsp; as I just joined the list last nite.<br><br>-Nex6<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 September 2010 00:54, Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">* Lombard Marianne (<a href="mailto:marianne@tuxette.fr">marianne@tuxette.fr</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; /put is her feminist cloak<br>
+&gt; And why female must the disciple ?<br>
+&gt; /end of feminist time<br>
+<br>
+</div>The word for a man look like to less funny (matheteuo) and<br>
+&quot;distribution&quot; in french is feminin word (I know english word don&#39;t have<br>
+gender except ship).<br>
+<br>
+As I said, the idea can not please to everyone and we have enough any<br>
+ideas for another name less chocking.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Olivier Thauvin<br>
+CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>Cauldron gets my vote<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 September 2010 00:54, Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">* Lombard Marianne (<a href="mailto:marianne@tuxette.fr">marianne@tuxette.fr</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; Hi,<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; /put is her feminist cloak<br>
+&gt; And why female must the disciple ?<br>
+&gt; /end of feminist time<br>
+<br>
+</div>The word for a man look like to less funny (matheteuo) and<br>
+&quot;distribution&quot; in french is feminin word (I know english word don&#39;t have<br>
+gender except ship).<br>
+<br>
+As I said, the idea can not please to everyone and we have enough any<br>
+ideas for another name less chocking.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Olivier Thauvin<br>
+CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>Cauldron gets my vote<br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 16:49:05, Anne nicolas a �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi all</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; News on our messy kitchen available below :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (other languages coming soon)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; can start very soon.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As a reminder, you can register on http://mageia.org/wiki if you wish</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to contribute or have a look on http://donation.mageia.org to help</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia project.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks again for your support</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Excelent! :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I wonder to know if there is already a ideology for mageia.  So we can answer the 10,000 million quiestion: what is the difference with mandriva?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I mean for a normal user, someone that is not involved with the linux movement.  Lets say as an example, in 1998, when i started with Linux, i did ask several people for what should be my first distro.  Everybody toldme Mandrake, because it was for quick star for newbies.  That was the big difference with other distros.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I wonder if there is a state like this.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">LD</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 16:49:05, Anne nicolas a �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi all</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; News on our messy kitchen available below :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (other languages coming soon)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; can start very soon.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As a reminder, you can register on http://mageia.org/wiki if you wish</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to contribute or have a look on http://donation.mageia.org to help</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia project.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks again for your support</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Excelent! :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I wonder to know if there is already a ideology for mageia.  So we can answer the 10,000 million quiestion: what is the difference with mandriva?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I mean for a normal user, someone that is not involved with the linux movement.  Lets say as an example, in 1998, when i started with Linux, i did ask several people for what should be my first distro.  Everybody toldme Mandrake, because it was for quick star for newbies.  That was the big difference with other distros.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I wonder if there is a state like this.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">LD</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">De : <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a><br>
+[mailto:<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+</div>Envoyé : 23 septembre 2010 13:52<br>
+À : Mageia general discussions<br>
+Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+Actually, I&#39;d do these in parallel, since these request different resources.<br>
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+Hmm, right but...<br>
+...every army needs a flag! ;)<br>
+<br>
+</div>---------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Hi Mihai,<br>
+<br>
+To respect the netiquette of the ML, can you stop top posting you&#39;re message.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+Pat<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Oh, I&#39;ll try. Google naturally thinks reversed than our needs.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">De : <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a><br>
+[mailto:<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+</div>Envoyé : 23 septembre 2010 13:52<br>
+À : Mageia general discussions<br>
+Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+Actually, I&#39;d do these in parallel, since these request different resources.<br>
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+Hmm, right but...<br>
+...every army needs a flag! ;)<br>
+<br>
+</div>---------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Hi Mihai,<br>
+<br>
+To respect the netiquette of the ML, can you stop top posting you&#39;re message.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+Pat<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Oh, I&#39;ll try. Google naturally thinks reversed than our needs.<br>
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+Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any product.<br>
+<br>I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some logos, based on Mageia&#39;s meaning, but a bit derived:<br>- a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>- cat&#39;s eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+- an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>- any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon&#39;s horn)<br>- an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe&#39;s stories the orb is a link, like a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )<br>
+<br>What do you think?<br>
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+Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any product.<br>
+<br>I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some logos, based on Mageia&#39;s meaning, but a bit derived:<br>- a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>- cat&#39;s eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+- an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>- any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon&#39;s horn)<br>- an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe&#39;s stories the orb is a link, like a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )<br>
+<br>What do you think?<br>
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+lol<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Farfouille <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr">farfouille64@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:27:26 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+I love the gejobi &quot;witches hat&quot; logo&#39;s!<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+[...]<br>
+</blockquote>
++1 for &quot;witches hat&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Beside the flickr web site, is there a poll already set up ? Something that doesn&#39;t require to have a flickr/yahoo account (their form is far to intrusive on personal data) ?<br>
+<br>
+By the way, I don&#39;t  like<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a> . It makes me think to a mix of Mc Donald and Olympique de Marseille, a french soccer club. If Mageia should stand clear from politic, I think she (beautiful ship isn&#39;t she ?) should also stand clear from soccer XD.<br>
+
+<br>
+wobo<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+lol<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Farfouille <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr">farfouille64@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:27:26 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+I love the gejobi &quot;witches hat&quot; logo&#39;s!<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+[...]<br>
+</blockquote>
++1 for &quot;witches hat&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Beside the flickr web site, is there a poll already set up ? Something that doesn&#39;t require to have a flickr/yahoo account (their form is far to intrusive on personal data) ?<br>
+<br>
+By the way, I don&#39;t  like<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a> . It makes me think to a mix of Mc Donald and Olympique de Marseille, a french soccer club. If Mageia should stand clear from politic, I think she (beautiful ship isn&#39;t she ?) should also stand clear from soccer XD.<br>
+
+<br>
+wobo<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Ma�t,<br><br>Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le 23/09/2010 10:24, atilla ontas a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Turkish translation of blog entry and related links available:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0" target="_blank">http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for the translation !<br>
+<br>
+Coud you please take the html from <a href="http://donate.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://donate.mageia.org</a> (save as<br>
+html in your browser)<br>
+<br>
+Translate the text inside the .html file and send the whole translated<br>
+.html back to me ?<br>
+<br>
+As i&#39;m under heavy load at the moment that would save me a lot of time<br>
+and minimize the risk of errors.<br>
+<br>
+That would be very very helpful !<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ma�t<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Ma�t,<br><br>Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le 23/09/2010 10:24, atilla ontas a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Turkish translation of blog entry and related links available:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0" target="_blank">http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for the translation !<br>
+<br>
+Coud you please take the html from <a href="http://donate.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://donate.mageia.org</a> (save as<br>
+html in your browser)<br>
+<br>
+Translate the text inside the .html file and send the whole translated<br>
+.html back to me ?<br>
+<br>
+As i&#39;m under heavy load at the moment that would save me a lot of time<br>
+and minimize the risk of errors.<br>
+<br>
+That would be very very helpful !<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ma�t<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+In my case did not apply. Hmm..<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/23 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Just as a reminder: if you create new account on flickr, you need to<br>
+&gt; upload at least 3 images so that it can be visible by all (called safe<br>
+&gt; account)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Sorry exact amount is 5<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -------<br>
+&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">-------<br>
+Anne<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+In my case did not apply. Hmm..<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/23 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Just as a reminder: if you create new account on flickr, you need to<br>
+&gt; upload at least 3 images so that it can be visible by all (called safe<br>
+&gt; account)<br>
+<br>
+</div>Sorry exact amount is 5<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -------<br>
+&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">-------<br>
+Anne<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML>
+<html dir="ltr" lang="en"><head>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+
+
+
+    <meta charset="utf-8">
+    <title>Mageia - Een nieuwe Linux Distributie - </title>
+    <meta name="description" content="Mageia is een nieuwe community-based
+Linux distributie.">
+    <meta name="keywords" content="mageia, linux, mandriva, free software">
+    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/all.css">
+    <script src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/ga.js" async="" type="text/javascript"></script><script type="text/javascript">
+
+      var _gaq = _gaq || [];
+      _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-18603191-1']);
+      _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.mageia.org']);
+      _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']);
+
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+        var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
+        ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js';
+        var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s);
+      })();
+
+    </script>
+</head><body>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+			    De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.<br><br>
+
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project.<br><br>
+ 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML
+volledige transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie..<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, moeten we servers aanschaffen, alsmede de merk-
+en domeinnamen van Mageia registreren, alsmede registratie van de organisatie
+enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en uitgegeven gelden
+worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van cruciaal
+belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Doneren via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via overschrijving. <strong>Vergeet
+daarbij niet een duidelijke omschrijving te gebruiken, zodat de AUFML de
+overboeking kan koppelen aan het Mageia project: Mageia - uw naam - uw
+e-mailadres</strong><br><br>
+			    Hier vindt u de bankgegevens van de AUFML:<br><br>
+
+			    International Bank Account Number:<br><br>
+
+			    <strong>IBAN: FR2420041010030670496G02460</strong><br><br>
+			    
+			    Bank Identifier Code:<br><br>
+
+			    <strong>BIC: PSSTFRPPCLE</strong><br><br>
+
+
+			    French RIB (Relevé d'Identité Bancaire):<br><br>
+
+			    RIB: 20041 01003 0670496G024 60<br><br>
+
+			    <a
+href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Klik hier om
+de complete AUFML Bank identiteitsgegevens [pdf] te downloaden</a><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe, dus:
+Mageia - uw naam - uw e-mail - anoniem)
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Doneren via cheque</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Zorg alstublieft voor een duidelijke
+omschrijving, zo dat AUFML weet, dat het geld voor het Mageia project bedoelt
+is.!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de knop
+hier:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerkt)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br>
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br>
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br>
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+Attached the Dutch translation.<br>Success!!!!<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>
+&gt; Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi Isadora,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks a lot for your offer !<br>
+<br>
+.nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)<br>
+<br>
+Your help is most welcome !<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML>
+<html dir="ltr" lang="en"><head>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+
+
+
+    <meta charset="utf-8">
+    <title>Mageia - Een nieuwe Linux Distributie - </title>
+    <meta name="description" content="Mageia is een nieuwe community-based
+Linux distributie.">
+    <meta name="keywords" content="mageia, linux, mandriva, free software">
+    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/all.css">
+    <script src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/ga.js" async="" type="text/javascript"></script><script type="text/javascript">
+
+      var _gaq = _gaq || [];
+      _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-18603191-1']);
+      _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.mageia.org']);
+      _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']);
+
+      (function() {
+        var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
+        ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js';
+        var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s);
+      })();
+
+    </script>
+</head><body>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+			    De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.<br><br>
+
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project.<br><br>
+ 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML
+volledige transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie..<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, moeten we servers aanschaffen, alsmede de merk-
+en domeinnamen van Mageia registreren, alsmede registratie van de organisatie
+enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en uitgegeven gelden
+worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van cruciaal
+belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Doneren via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via overschrijving. <strong>Vergeet
+daarbij niet een duidelijke omschrijving te gebruiken, zodat de AUFML de
+overboeking kan koppelen aan het Mageia project: Mageia - uw naam - uw
+e-mailadres</strong><br><br>
+			    Hier vindt u de bankgegevens van de AUFML:<br><br>
+
+			    International Bank Account Number:<br><br>
+
+			    <strong>IBAN: FR2420041010030670496G02460</strong><br><br>
+			    
+			    Bank Identifier Code:<br><br>
+
+			    <strong>BIC: PSSTFRPPCLE</strong><br><br>
+
+
+			    French RIB (Relevé d'Identité Bancaire):<br><br>
+
+			    RIB: 20041 01003 0670496G024 60<br><br>
+
+			    <a
+href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Klik hier om
+de complete AUFML Bank identiteitsgegevens [pdf] te downloaden</a><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe, dus:
+Mageia - uw naam - uw e-mail - anoniem)
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Doneren via cheque</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Zorg alstublieft voor een duidelijke
+omschrijving, zo dat AUFML weet, dat het geld voor het Mageia project bedoelt
+is.!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de knop
+hier:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerkt)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br>
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br>
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br>
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
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+Attached the Dutch translation.<br>Success!!!!<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>
+&gt; Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi Isadora,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks a lot for your offer !<br>
+<br>
+.nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)<br>
+<br>
+Your help is most welcome !<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:37 PM, barsalatino <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:barsalatino@gmail.com">barsalatino@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribió:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P.
+        Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr" target="_blank">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div>On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+            &gt; Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a>
+            user, GualaDrake:<br>
+            &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+            &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+            <br>
+          </div>
+          IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even
+          childish, I would<br>
+          say.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>+1<br>
+      </div>
+      </div></div><pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div class="im"><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    +1<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>++1 :|<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:37 PM, barsalatino <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:barsalatino@gmail.com">barsalatino@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribió:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P.
+        Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr" target="_blank">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div>On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+            &gt; Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a>
+            user, GualaDrake:<br>
+            &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+            &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+            <br>
+          </div>
+          IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even
+          childish, I would<br>
+          say.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>+1<br>
+      </div>
+      </div></div><pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<div class="im"><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</div></pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    +1<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div>++1 :|<br>
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+<p></p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; 在 2010年9月23日 下午11:06，Kira &lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt; 写道：<br>
+
+
+&gt;&gt; 在 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James &lt;<a href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>&gt;寫道:<br>&gt;&gt; I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there&#39;s really no words<br>
+
+
+&gt;&gt; match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think using the word<br>&gt;&gt; branch in Chinese: &quot;分支&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.<br>&gt; Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won&#39;t fit the meaning of fork.<br>
+
+
+<br>My dictionary gives &quot;分叉&quot; as the translation of fork, do you think this word is also not quite right?
+</div>
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+<p></p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; 在 2010年9月23日 下午11:06，Kira &lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt; 写道：<br>
+
+
+&gt;&gt; 在 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James &lt;<a href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>&gt;寫道:<br>&gt;&gt; I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there&#39;s really no words<br>
+
+
+&gt;&gt; match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think using the word<br>&gt;&gt; branch in Chinese: &quot;分支&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.<br>&gt; Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won&#39;t fit the meaning of fork.<br>
+
+
+<br>My dictionary gives &quot;分叉&quot; as the translation of fork, do you think this word is also not quite right?
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:37 PM, peter f miller <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pfmiller@gmail.com">pfmiller@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<p></p>
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; 在 2010年9月23日 下午11:06，Kira &lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt; 写道：<br>
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt; 在 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James &lt;<a href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>&gt;寫道:<br>&gt;&gt; I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there&#39;s really no words<br>
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt; match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think using the word<br>&gt;&gt; branch in Chinese: &quot;分支&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.<br>&gt; Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won&#39;t fit the meaning of fork.<br>
+
+
+
+<br></div>My dictionary gives &quot;分叉&quot; as the translation of fork, do you think this word is also not quite right?
+</div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>Don&#39;t you have a tool in agriculture that is used to handle the hay? It is called &quot;<font size="2">Pitchfork&quot;, look here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork</a>. Could it be an alternative? I think this is the origin to the verb &quot;fork&quot; somehow.<br>
+</font>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:37 PM, peter f miller <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pfmiller@gmail.com">pfmiller@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<p></p>
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com" target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; 在 2010年9月23日 下午11:06，Kira &lt;<a href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt; 写道：<br>
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt; 在 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James &lt;<a href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>&gt;寫道:<br>&gt;&gt; I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there&#39;s really no words<br>
+
+
+
+&gt;&gt; match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think using the word<br>&gt;&gt; branch in Chinese: &quot;分支&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.<br>&gt; Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won&#39;t fit the meaning of fork.<br>
+
+
+
+<br></div>My dictionary gives &quot;分叉&quot; as the translation of fork, do you think this word is also not quite right?
+</div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>Don&#39;t you have a tool in agriculture that is used to handle the hay? It is called &quot;<font size="2">Pitchfork&quot;, look here: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork</a>. Could it be an alternative? I think this is the origin to the verb &quot;fork&quot; somehow.<br>
+</font>
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+We have one or multiple choice ?<br>
+<br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+We have one or multiple choice ?<br>
+<br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+As simple user I must say I have always needed Mandriva to look a bit geek-er :D<br>I mean, some look to make it get out of the line of other linux distros.<br>A good logo and a good look (in KDE also) are needed.<br>Please take the time, do not decide on the rush, these are sometimes most important things in the eye of the newbies and unexperienced users in order to gain them.<br>
+... the stability is well known...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Farfouille <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr">farfouille64@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Le 23/09/2010 13:10, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+02010/9/23 Graham Lauder&lt;<a href="mailto:yorick_@openoffice.org" target="_blank">yorick_@openoffice.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style.  Graphic artists<br>
+and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision about<br>
+the logo.  To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market<br>
+because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender<br>
+different reactions.  We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to<br>
+engender in that target market.<br>
+<br>
+We need to go to the market determined to succeed, so that when the world<br>
+hears Linux they see and think and feel Mageia.  Choosing logos and pallets<br>
+and marketing materials is not something you leave to a lottery.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
++ 100 !<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s what we need and what Mandriva lacked all the time : a marketing expert<br>
+Thx for bringing this topic to a professional level.<br>
+<br>
+I do not regard the current work as minor, pls don&#39;t get me wrong.<br>
+There are some nice looking ones, no doubt. But for a project logo for<br>
+a worldwide player (even if not in the business world) it needs a bit<br>
+more professionality in the whole process.<br>
+<br>
+wobo<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Completely agree with Graham and Wolfgang. Despite I&#39;m far from being a marketing guy, my profesionnal experience taught me<br>
+that marketing stuff is quite as important as technical one (hey not as much, I&#39;m still a tech guy ;) )<br>
+<br>
+cheers<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
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+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+As simple user I must say I have always needed Mandriva to look a bit geek-er :D<br>I mean, some look to make it get out of the line of other linux distros.<br>A good logo and a good look (in KDE also) are needed.<br>Please take the time, do not decide on the rush, these are sometimes most important things in the eye of the newbies and unexperienced users in order to gain them.<br>
+... the stability is well known...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Farfouille <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr">farfouille64@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Le 23/09/2010 13:10, Wolfgang Bornath a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+02010/9/23 Graham Lauder&lt;<a href="mailto:yorick_@openoffice.org" target="_blank">yorick_@openoffice.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style.  Graphic artists<br>
+and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision about<br>
+the logo.  To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market<br>
+because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender<br>
+different reactions.  We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to<br>
+engender in that target market.<br>
+<br>
+We need to go to the market determined to succeed, so that when the world<br>
+hears Linux they see and think and feel Mageia.  Choosing logos and pallets<br>
+and marketing materials is not something you leave to a lottery.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
++ 100 !<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s what we need and what Mandriva lacked all the time : a marketing expert<br>
+Thx for bringing this topic to a professional level.<br>
+<br>
+I do not regard the current work as minor, pls don&#39;t get me wrong.<br>
+There are some nice looking ones, no doubt. But for a project logo for<br>
+a worldwide player (even if not in the business world) it needs a bit<br>
+more professionality in the whole process.<br>
+<br>
+wobo<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Completely agree with Graham and Wolfgang. Despite I&#39;m far from being a marketing guy, my profesionnal experience taught me<br>
+that marketing stuff is quite as important as technical one (hey not as much, I&#39;m still a tech guy ;) )<br>
+<br>
+cheers<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi all :)<br><div><br></div><div>What I&#39;ve had like in mandrake/mandriva when I was younger is yellow star.</div><div><br></div><div>But what I hate now... is yellow star and pingus.</div><div><br></div><div>I really think a logo for mageia don&#39;t need a linux/mandriva/mandrake link.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Mageia is something else. What is the mageia nearest linux distro is debian : 100% community.</div><div><br></div><div>Does Debian logo has a link with Tux, yellow star ? No.</div><div>Does distro-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named ;)))�logo has a link with Tux, yellow star ? Not at all.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>A �logo contest is important, in 3 or 4 tours.</div><div><br></div><div>But a calendar has to be given.</div><div><br></div><div>Clear skies, and.... great job.</div><div><br></div><div>JB</div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+Hi all :)<br><div><br></div><div>What I&#39;ve had like in mandrake/mandriva when I was younger is yellow star.</div><div><br></div><div>But what I hate now... is yellow star and pingus.</div><div><br></div><div>I really think a logo for mageia don&#39;t need a linux/mandriva/mandrake link.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Mageia is something else. What is the mageia nearest linux distro is debian : 100% community.</div><div><br></div><div>Does Debian logo has a link with Tux, yellow star ? No.</div><div>Does distro-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named ;)))�logo has a link with Tux, yellow star ? Not at all.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>A �logo contest is important, in 3 or 4 tours.</div><div><br></div><div>But a calendar has to be given.</div><div><br></div><div>Clear skies, and.... great job.</div><div><br></div><div>JB</div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+freedom (of choice, versatility, lightness) - elegance (exquisite) - joy &amp; fun<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Yves-Gael Cheny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+First sorry for my english i&#39;m a french guy :p<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps , before make any choice about a logo or over graphical identity, we have to debate about the image we want to send out.<br>
+<br>
+We can propose between one and three word who explain what mageia distribution is there us. So, from that list, perhaps a graphist can make a real work ?<br>
+<br>
+for me :<br>
+<br>
+freedom, intergrity, self created<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+hurdman<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+freedom (of choice, versatility, lightness) - elegance (exquisite) - joy &amp; fun<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Yves-Gael Cheny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+First sorry for my english i&#39;m a french guy :p<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps , before make any choice about a logo or over graphical identity, we have to debate about the image we want to send out.<br>
+<br>
+We can propose between one and three word who explain what mageia distribution is there us. So, from that list, perhaps a graphist can make a real work ?<br>
+<br>
+for me :<br>
+<br>
+freedom, intergrity, self created<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+hurdman<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello!<br>
+      <br>
+      A chinese supporter has sent me a translation for the Mageia
+      introduction page. <br>
+      <br>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1946207/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1946207/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html</a><br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello!<br>
+      <br>
+      A chinese supporter has sent me a translation for the Mageia
+      introduction page. <br>
+      <br>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1946207/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1946207/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html</a><br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi&oacute;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=p2eYPA5XLSYnyPTx8Dy_FvhOTkMR9VHU19i2d@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P.
+        Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div class="im">On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+            &gt; Another logo by an <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a>
+            user, GualaDrake:<br>
+            &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png"
+              target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+            &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg"
+              target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+            <br>
+          </div>
+          IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even
+          childish, I would<br>
+          say.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>+1<br>
+      </div>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    +1<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi&oacute;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=p2eYPA5XLSYnyPTx8Dy_FvhOTkMR9VHU19i2d@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P.
+        Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div class="im">On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+            &gt; Another logo by an <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a>
+            user, GualaDrake:<br>
+            &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png"
+              target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+            &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg"
+              target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+            <br>
+          </div>
+          IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even
+          childish, I would<br>
+          say.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <div><br>
+      </div>
+      <div>+1<br>
+      </div>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    +1<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">I&#39;m not coming from Halloween culture, so I had no idea...<br>
+I&#39;d agree with all the 3 points, if it was up to me.<br>
+Just tryin&#39;...<br>
+</div>----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+No offense there. ;)<br>
+<br>
+Pat<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Sorry, no offense intended, I mean I have not full knowledge of this celebration as it is no tradition in my country - Romania. My brain is just not mapped on it, although it is known to me - I guess the first things that come in my mind for Halloween arr the carving pumpkins and the costumes.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">I&#39;m not coming from Halloween culture, so I had no idea...<br>
+I&#39;d agree with all the 3 points, if it was up to me.<br>
+Just tryin&#39;...<br>
+</div>----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+No offense there. ;)<br>
+<br>
+Pat<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Sorry, no offense intended, I mean I have not full knowledge of this celebration as it is no tradition in my country - Romania. My brain is just not mapped on it, although it is known to me - I guess the first things that come in my mind for Halloween arr the carving pumpkins and the costumes.<br>
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+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie-campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project. 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML volledige
+transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie.<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, hebben we servers nodig, alsmede hosting,
+registratie van de Mageia merk- en domeinnamen van Mageia, alsmede registratie
+van de organisatie enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en
+uitgegeven gelden worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van
+cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving mee te geven, zodat de AUFML
+de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project, gebruik het volgende
+formaat in de omschrijving: Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres</strong><br><br>
+			   Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor Uw
+bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>In favor of/Ten name van:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van Uw donatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mention/Omschrijving:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier de donatie-omschrijving in: Mageia -
+Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe)
+
+			   </div><br><br>
+
+			    <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Click here to download complete AUFML Bank Identity Data [jpg]</a><br>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donate via cheque</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur Uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving
+mee te geven, zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia
+project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de
+knop:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerk)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br>
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br>
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br>
+				  				33: Bernd Deinzer<br>
+				  				34: Roland Gillard<br>
+				  				35: Dušan Pavlík<br>
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
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+And another NEW version.<br>Without some errors, sorry for the mass of mails from my side.<br><br>Goodnight for now.<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Op 23 september 2010 17:10 schreef isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> het volgende:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Attached the Dutch translation.<br>Success!!!!<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net" target="_blank">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<div>&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>
+&gt; Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi Isadora,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks a lot for your offer !<br>
+<br>
+.nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)<br>
+<br>
+Your help is most welcome !<br>
+<div><div></div><div><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML>
+<html dir="ltr" lang="en"><head>
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+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie-campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project. 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML volledige
+transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie.<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, hebben we servers nodig, alsmede hosting,
+registratie van de Mageia merk- en domeinnamen van Mageia, alsmede registratie
+van de organisatie enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en
+uitgegeven gelden worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van
+cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving mee te geven, zodat de AUFML
+de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project, gebruik het volgende
+formaat in de omschrijving: Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres</strong><br><br>
+			   Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor Uw
+bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>In favor of/Ten name van:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van Uw donatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mention/Omschrijving:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier de donatie-omschrijving in: Mageia -
+Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe)
+
+			   </div><br><br>
+
+			    <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Click here to download complete AUFML Bank Identity Data [jpg]</a><br>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donate via cheque</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur Uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving
+mee te geven, zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia
+project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de
+knop:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerk)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br>
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br>
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br>
+				  				33: Bernd Deinzer<br>
+				  				34: Roland Gillard<br>
+				  				35: Dušan Pavlík<br>
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+And another NEW version.<br>Without some errors, sorry for the mass of mails from my side.<br><br>Goodnight for now.<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Op 23 september 2010 17:10 schreef isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> het volgende:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Attached the Dutch translation.<br>Success!!!!<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net" target="_blank">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<div>&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>
+&gt; Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi Isadora,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks a lot for your offer !<br>
+<br>
+.nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)<br>
+<br>
+Your help is most welcome !<br>
+<div><div></div><div><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 02:32, Sinner from the Prairy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Marc Par� &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le 2010-09-22 19:38, Frank Griffin a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Marc Par� wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Le 2010-09-22 17:36, Wolfgang Bornath a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2010/9/22 Morgan Leijstr�m&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I like the idea of &quot;bug friends&quot;. Great idea!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; In the past, this was done by moderators or ombudsmen (Adam Williamson,<br>
+&gt;&gt; for example).<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; Yes, I think most of us remember Adam and appreciated his helpful hints.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Marc<br>
+<br>
+</div>And at BlogDrake we had the help of Pacho Ramos.<br>
+<div class="im"><br clear="all"><br></div></blockquote></div>If there are people ready to be ombudsmen , I think it is the best solution.<br><br>Eventually coupled whith a progressive constitution of &#39;how to&#39;s <br>
+(pinned in the forums) understandable by users such that they can more easyly go &#39;uphill&#39; towards filing usefull bug reports themselves.<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 02:32, Sinner from the Prairy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Marc Par� &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Le 2010-09-22 19:38, Frank Griffin a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Marc Par� wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Le 2010-09-22 17:36, Wolfgang Bornath a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2010/9/22 Morgan Leijstr�m&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for help.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I like the idea of &quot;bug friends&quot;. Great idea!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; In the past, this was done by moderators or ombudsmen (Adam Williamson,<br>
+&gt;&gt; for example).<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; Yes, I think most of us remember Adam and appreciated his helpful hints.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Marc<br>
+<br>
+</div>And at BlogDrake we had the help of Pacho Ramos.<br>
+<div class="im"><br clear="all"><br></div></blockquote></div>If there are people ready to be ombudsmen , I think it is the best solution.<br><br>Eventually coupled whith a progressive constitution of &#39;how to&#39;s <br>
+(pinned in the forums) understandable by users such that they can more easyly go &#39;uphill&#39; towards filing usefull bug reports themselves.<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Yves-Gael Cheny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+First sorry for my english i&#39;m a french guy :p<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps , before make any choice about a logo or over graphical identity, we have to debate about the image we want to send out.<br>
+<br>
+We can propose between one and three word who explain what mageia distribution is there us. So, from that list, perhaps a graphist can make a real work ?<br>
+<br>
+for me :<br>
+<br>
+freedom, intergrity, self created<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+hurdman<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>solid - simple - sexy<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Yves-Gael Cheny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:yves@antredugeek.fr">yves@antredugeek.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+First sorry for my english i&#39;m a french guy :p<br>
+<br>
+Perhaps , before make any choice about a logo or over graphical identity, we have to debate about the image we want to send out.<br>
+<br>
+We can propose between one and three word who explain what mageia distribution is there us. So, from that list, perhaps a graphist can make a real work ?<br>
+<br>
+for me :<br>
+<br>
+freedom, intergrity, self created<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+++<br>
+hurdman<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>solid - simple - sexy<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Here come the Vikings!!! Yuuupeeeee!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 19 September 2010 19:14, David V. Wallin &lt;<a href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Hello everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m the force behind the Swedish Mandriva Community<br>
+&gt; (<a href="http://mandriva-se.org" target="_blank">http://mandriva-se.org</a>) which has grown quite fast since we started the<br>
+&gt; site 619 days ago. The other day some of the users announced that they<br>
+&gt; were moving from Mandriva to Linux Mint since the future of Mandriva is<br>
+&gt; so uncertain. A day or two later someone announced that they found<br>
+&gt; Mageia and that they were hoping to continue using Mandriva but in the<br>
+&gt; form of Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Because of this i&#39;ve published a poll about weither to migrate<br>
+&gt; Mandriva-se.org to Mageia-se.org or to just start Mageia-se.org as a new<br>
+&gt; website meant to act as the Swedish community-site for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No matter which alternative the users pick there will be a Mageia-se.org<br>
+&gt; so that Swedish users can discuss Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I therefor ask to be put on the list on your website so that the users<br>
+&gt; of Mandriva-se.org can see that i&#39;m serious in supporting this new<br>
+&gt; Mandriva fork and that they can feel comfortable in switching from<br>
+&gt; Mandriva to Mageia when it gets ready for that.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ---<br>
+&gt; David V. Wallin<br>
+&gt; +46 (0)8 41 00 39 82<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.ngweb.se" target="_blank">http://www.ngweb.se</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ---<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Vi försöker ständigt förbättra oss och ber er därför om 1 minut för att<br>
+&gt; lämna ditt omdömme:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/" target="_blank">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Excellent news!<br>
+<br>
+Please add your name and <a href="http://mandriva-se.org" target="_blank">http://mandriva-se.org</a> to this list:<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums</a><br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Here come the Vikings!!! Yuuupeeeee!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On 19 September 2010 19:14, David V. Wallin &lt;<a href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Hello everyone,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m the force behind the Swedish Mandriva Community<br>
+&gt; (<a href="http://mandriva-se.org" target="_blank">http://mandriva-se.org</a>) which has grown quite fast since we started the<br>
+&gt; site 619 days ago. The other day some of the users announced that they<br>
+&gt; were moving from Mandriva to Linux Mint since the future of Mandriva is<br>
+&gt; so uncertain. A day or two later someone announced that they found<br>
+&gt; Mageia and that they were hoping to continue using Mandriva but in the<br>
+&gt; form of Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Because of this i&#39;ve published a poll about weither to migrate<br>
+&gt; Mandriva-se.org to Mageia-se.org or to just start Mageia-se.org as a new<br>
+&gt; website meant to act as the Swedish community-site for Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No matter which alternative the users pick there will be a Mageia-se.org<br>
+&gt; so that Swedish users can discuss Mageia.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I therefor ask to be put on the list on your website so that the users<br>
+&gt; of Mandriva-se.org can see that i&#39;m serious in supporting this new<br>
+&gt; Mandriva fork and that they can feel comfortable in switching from<br>
+&gt; Mandriva to Mageia when it gets ready for that.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ---<br>
+&gt; David V. Wallin<br>
+&gt; +46 (0)8 41 00 39 82<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.ngweb.se" target="_blank">http://www.ngweb.se</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ---<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Vi försöker ständigt förbättra oss och ber er därför om 1 minut för att<br>
+&gt; lämna ditt omdömme:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/" target="_blank">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</a><br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Excellent news!<br>
+<br>
+Please add your name and <a href="http://mandriva-se.org" target="_blank">http://mandriva-se.org</a> to this list:<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums</a><br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hmm, right but...<br>...every army needs a flag! ;)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 à 14:19 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style.  Graphic artists<br>
+&gt; and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision<br>
+&gt; about the logo.  To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market<br>
+&gt; because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender<br>
+&gt; different reactions.  We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to<br>
+&gt; engender in that target market.<br>
+<br>
+</div>In fact, I would do quite the contrary. In order to test the process and<br>
+organize the community, I would first do a test-run of the process and<br>
+try to work on it.<br>
+<br>
+Later, once we are sure that the process is working, etc, etc, then we<br>
+can rethink on the real logo.<br>
+<br>
+Ie, like we do prototyping for software, we should prototype the<br>
+process.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hmm, right but...<br>...every army needs a flag! ;)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 à 14:19 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a écrit :<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style.  Graphic artists<br>
+&gt; and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision<br>
+&gt; about the logo.  To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market<br>
+&gt; because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender<br>
+&gt; different reactions.  We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to<br>
+&gt; engender in that target market.<br>
+<br>
+</div>In fact, I would do quite the contrary. In order to test the process and<br>
+organize the community, I would first do a test-run of the process and<br>
+try to work on it.<br>
+<br>
+Later, once we are sure that the process is working, etc, etc, then we<br>
+can rethink on the real logo.<br>
+<br>
+Ie, like we do prototyping for software, we should prototype the<br>
+process.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+3 words - stability, elegance, community<br><br>Title&#39;s - Mageia: Freedom is Magic, Mageia: The Spell-Book of Elegance<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:39 PM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Send Mageia-discuss mailing list submissions to<br>
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+<br>
+When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>
+than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-discuss digest...&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Today&#39;s Topics:<br>
+<br>
+ � 1. Re: about the logo (Sergio Fernandez Cordero)<br>
+ � 2. Re: about the logo (Sinner from the Prairy)<br>
+ � 3. Re: &quot;Cooker&quot;&#39;s name, the poll (Thomas Backlund)<br>
+ � 4. Re: about the logo (Marc Par?)<br>
+ � 5. Re: about the logo (Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli)<br>
+ � 6. Re: Artwork - Mageia Logo contest (barsalatino)<br>
+ � 7. Re: Artwork - Mageia Logo contest (Mihai Dobrescu)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 1<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:22:23 +0200<br>
+From: Sergio Fernandez Cordero &lt;<a href="mailto:sergiofernandez@proyectopqmc.com">sergiofernandez@proyectopqmc.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:1285269743.5719.2.camel@skynet.pqmc.com">1285269743.5719.2.camel@skynet.pqmc.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;UTF-8&quot;<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Oh, please, no. It remembers me so much the slogan of a software product<br>
+manufactured in my job... it simply don&#39;t work...<br>
+<br>
+El jue, 23-09-2010 a las 14:19 -0500, R James escribi?:<br>
+&gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,<br>
+&gt; &gt; Ma?t &lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt; a ?crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; for me :<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; freedom, intergrity, self created<br>
+&gt; &gt; Agree with you.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt; Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+&gt; &gt; Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+&gt; &gt; (<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 2<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:24:34 -0400<br>
+From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+ � � � �&lt;AANLkTiknrpB9Yd0dxSawSP6Mr5XPDxvVrL=<a href="mailto:9CiRUw2Yr@mail.gmail.com">9CiRUw2Yr@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>
+<br>
+What about:<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Mageia, the Magic is Back&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Salut,<br>
+Sinner<br>
+--<br>
+Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -<br>
+<a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/" target="_blank">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a><br>
+Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:? <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 3<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:25:46 +0300<br>
+From: Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;&#39;s name, the poll<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4C9BA9BA.8040807@iki.fi">4C9BA9BA.8040807@iki.fi</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br>
+<br>
+francis skrev 23.9.2010 22:12:<br>
+&gt; Le Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:01:19 +0200,<br>
+&gt; Olivier Thauvin&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt; �a ?crit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at<br>
+&gt;&gt; end of this mail.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know. However if<br>
+&gt;&gt; a name clearly win it will be choosen.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc" target="_blank">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Make the good choice !<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Regards<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The vote is over ?<br>
+&gt; The link seem to have �a �script issue.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Works here in Firefox.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 4<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:27:48 -0400<br>
+From: Marc Par? &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;i7g9nl$5c0$<a href="mailto:1@dough.gmane.org">1@dough.gmane.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br>
+<br>
+Le 2010-09-23 15:19, R James a ?crit :<br>
+&gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; �wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,<br>
+&gt;&gt; Ma?t&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt; �a ?crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for me :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; freedom, intergrity, self created<br>
+&gt;&gt; Agree with you.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+&gt;&gt; Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Mageia: Your creation in use&quot;<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Freedom Integrity Yours&quot;<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Mageia: Assured Fidelity&quot; (for corporate use)<br>
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 5<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:28:41 -0300<br>
+From: Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+ � � � �&lt;<a href="mailto:AANLkTin5dW9eARdG%2BGTkLg-MAyS9n91_DQBoH%2BMUvEZ%2B@mail.gmail.com">AANLkTin5dW9eARdG+GTkLg-MAyS9n91_DQBoH+MUvEZ+@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;<br>
+<br>
+My God, no, please!<br>
+<br>
+If you want a slogan, think something like the &quot;Imposible is nothing&quot;...<br>
+<br>
+Don&#39;t know... something like &quot;Mageia: Make it happen&quot;<br>
+<br>
+* It&#39;s short<br>
+* It has some kind of &quot;invitation&quot; because it tells to you &quot;make it<br>
+happen&quot;. You must make the &quot;magic&quot; happen<br>
+<br>
+But maybe it&#39;s too stupid XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!!!<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 6<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:37:10 +0200<br>
+From: barsalatino &lt;<a href="mailto:barsalatino@gmail.com">barsalatino@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4C9BAC66.3010605@gmail.com">4C9BAC66.3010605@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;; Format=&quot;flowed&quot;<br>
+<br>
+ �El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi?:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a><br>
+&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; � � On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+&gt; � � &gt; Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a> &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a>&gt; user,<br>
+&gt; � � GualaDrake:<br>
+&gt; � � &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+&gt; � � &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; � � IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even<br>
+&gt; � � childish, I would<br>
+&gt; � � say.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; +1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
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+Message: 7<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:39:10 +0300<br>
+From: Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+ � � � �&lt;AANLkTi=JrXmArz=<a href="mailto:1BAweMWM7e%2BWzBH9DzAcHzz3sQZzp@mail.gmail.com">1BAweMWM7e+WzBH9DzAcHzz3sQZzp@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:37 PM, barsalatino &lt;<a href="mailto:barsalatino@gmail.com">barsalatino@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; �El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi?:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a> user, GualaDrake:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; �IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even childish, I<br>
+&gt;&gt; would<br>
+&gt;&gt; say.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; �+1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.orghttps://<a href="http://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; �+1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ++1 :|<br>
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+3 words - stability, elegance, community<br><br>Title&#39;s - Mageia: Freedom is Magic, Mageia: The Spell-Book of Elegance<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:39 PM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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+Today&#39;s Topics:<br>
+<br>
+ � 1. Re: about the logo (Sergio Fernandez Cordero)<br>
+ � 2. Re: about the logo (Sinner from the Prairy)<br>
+ � 3. Re: &quot;Cooker&quot;&#39;s name, the poll (Thomas Backlund)<br>
+ � 4. Re: about the logo (Marc Par?)<br>
+ � 5. Re: about the logo (Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli)<br>
+ � 6. Re: Artwork - Mageia Logo contest (barsalatino)<br>
+ � 7. Re: Artwork - Mageia Logo contest (Mihai Dobrescu)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+----------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 1<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:22:23 +0200<br>
+From: Sergio Fernandez Cordero &lt;<a href="mailto:sergiofernandez@proyectopqmc.com">sergiofernandez@proyectopqmc.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:1285269743.5719.2.camel@skynet.pqmc.com">1285269743.5719.2.camel@skynet.pqmc.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;UTF-8&quot;<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;<br>
+<br>
+Oh, please, no. It remembers me so much the slogan of a software product<br>
+manufactured in my job... it simply don&#39;t work...<br>
+<br>
+El jue, 23-09-2010 a las 14:19 -0500, R James escribi?:<br>
+&gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,<br>
+&gt; &gt; Ma?t &lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt; a ?crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; for me :<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; freedom, intergrity, self created<br>
+&gt; &gt; Agree with you.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt; Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+&gt; &gt; Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+&gt; &gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+&gt; &gt; (<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+&gt; &gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 2<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:24:34 -0400<br>
+From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+ � � � �&lt;AANLkTiknrpB9Yd0dxSawSP6Mr5XPDxvVrL=<a href="mailto:9CiRUw2Yr@mail.gmail.com">9CiRUw2Yr@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>
+<br>
+What about:<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Mageia, the Magic is Back&quot;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Salut,<br>
+Sinner<br>
+--<br>
+Sinner from the Prairy - <a href="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</a> -<br>
+<a href="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/" target="_blank">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</a><br>
+Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:? <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 3<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:25:46 +0300<br>
+From: Thomas Backlund &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;&#39;s name, the poll<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4C9BA9BA.8040807@iki.fi">4C9BA9BA.8040807@iki.fi</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed<br>
+<br>
+francis skrev 23.9.2010 22:12:<br>
+&gt; Le Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:01:19 +0200,<br>
+&gt; Olivier Thauvin&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt; �a ?crit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at<br>
+&gt;&gt; end of this mail.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know. However if<br>
+&gt;&gt; a name clearly win it will be choosen.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc" target="_blank">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Make the good choice !<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Regards<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The vote is over ?<br>
+&gt; The link seem to have �a �script issue.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Works here in Firefox.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 4<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:27:48 -0400<br>
+From: Marc Par? &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;i7g9nl$5c0$<a href="mailto:1@dough.gmane.org">1@dough.gmane.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br>
+<br>
+Le 2010-09-23 15:19, R James a ?crit :<br>
+&gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; �wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,<br>
+&gt;&gt; Ma?t&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt; �a ?crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for me :<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; freedom, intergrity, self created<br>
+&gt;&gt; Agree with you.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+&gt;&gt; Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+&gt;&gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+&gt;&gt; (<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Mageia: Your creation in use&quot;<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Freedom Integrity Yours&quot;<br>
+<br>
+&quot;Mageia: Assured Fidelity&quot; (for corporate use)<br>
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 5<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:28:41 -0300<br>
+From: Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+ � � � �&lt;<a href="mailto:AANLkTin5dW9eARdG%2BGTkLg-MAyS9n91_DQBoH%2BMUvEZ%2B@mail.gmail.com">AANLkTin5dW9eARdG+GTkLg-MAyS9n91_DQBoH+MUvEZ+@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;<br>
+<br>
+My God, no, please!<br>
+<br>
+If you want a slogan, think something like the &quot;Imposible is nothing&quot;...<br>
+<br>
+Don&#39;t know... something like &quot;Mageia: Make it happen&quot;<br>
+<br>
+* It&#39;s short<br>
+* It has some kind of &quot;invitation&quot; because it tells to you &quot;make it<br>
+happen&quot;. You must make the &quot;magic&quot; happen<br>
+<br>
+But maybe it&#39;s too stupid XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!!!<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+Message: 6<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:37:10 +0200<br>
+From: barsalatino &lt;<a href="mailto:barsalatino@gmail.com">barsalatino@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:4C9BAC66.3010605@gmail.com">4C9BAC66.3010605@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;; Format=&quot;flowed&quot;<br>
+<br>
+ �El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi?:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a><br>
+&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; � � On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+&gt; � � &gt; Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a> &lt;<a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a>&gt; user,<br>
+&gt; � � GualaDrake:<br>
+&gt; � � &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+&gt; � � &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; � � IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even<br>
+&gt; � � childish, I would<br>
+&gt; � � say.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; +1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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+Message: 7<br>
+Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:39:10 +0300<br>
+From: Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+Message-ID:<br>
+ � � � �&lt;AANLkTi=JrXmArz=<a href="mailto:1BAweMWM7e%2BWzBH9DzAcHzz3sQZzp@mail.gmail.com">1BAweMWM7e+WzBH9DzAcHzz3sQZzp@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+<br>
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:37 PM, barsalatino &lt;<a href="mailto:barsalatino@gmail.com">barsalatino@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; �El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi?:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Another logo by an <a href="http://blogdrake.net" target="_blank">blogdrake.net</a> user, GualaDrake:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg" target="_blank">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; �IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even childish, I<br>
+&gt;&gt; would<br>
+&gt;&gt; say.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; �+1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.orghttps://<a href="http://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; �+1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
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+<html dir="ltr" lang="en"><head>
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+
+
+
+    <meta charset="utf-8">
+    <title>Mageia - Een nieuwe Linux Distributie - </title>
+    <meta name="description" content="Mageia is een nieuwe community-based Linux
+distributie.">
+    <meta name="keywords" content="mageia, linux, mandriva, free software">
+    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/all.css">
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+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project. 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML volledige
+transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie.<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, hebben we servers nodig, alsmede hosting,
+registratie van de Mageia merk- en domeinnamen van Mageia, alsmede registratie
+van de organisatie enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en
+uitgegeven gelden worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van
+cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving mee te geven, zodat de AUFML
+de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project, gebruik het volgende
+formaat in de omschrijving: Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres</strong><br><br>
+			   Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor Uw
+bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>In favor of/Ten name van:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van Uw donatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mention/Omschrijving:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier de donatie-omschrijving in: Mageia -
+Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe)
+
+			   </div><br><br>
+
+			    <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Click here to download complete AUFML Bank Identity Data [jpg]</a><br>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donate via check</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur Uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving
+mee te geven, zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia
+project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de
+knop:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerk)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br>
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br>
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br>
+				  				33: Bernd Deinzer<br>
+				  				34: Roland Gillard<br>
+				  				35: Dušan Pavlík<br>
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
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+Ma�t,<br><br>The reversion of the Dutch translation.<br>Success once again!!!!!!<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Op 23 september 2010 17:10 schreef isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> het volgende:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Attached the Dutch translation.<br>Success!!!!<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net" target="_blank">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<div>&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>
+&gt; Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi Isadora,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks a lot for your offer !<br>
+<br>
+.nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)<br>
+<br>
+Your help is most welcome !<br>
+<div><div></div><div><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<html dir="ltr" lang="en"><head>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+
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+    <meta charset="utf-8">
+    <title>Mageia - Een nieuwe Linux Distributie - </title>
+    <meta name="description" content="Mageia is een nieuwe community-based Linux
+distributie.">
+    <meta name="keywords" content="mageia, linux, mandriva, free software">
+    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/all.css">
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+        var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s);
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+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project. 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML volledige
+transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie.<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, hebben we servers nodig, alsmede hosting,
+registratie van de Mageia merk- en domeinnamen van Mageia, alsmede registratie
+van de organisatie enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en
+uitgegeven gelden worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van
+cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving mee te geven, zodat de AUFML
+de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project, gebruik het volgende
+formaat in de omschrijving: Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres</strong><br><br>
+			   Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor Uw
+bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>In favor of/Ten name van:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van Uw donatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mention/Omschrijving:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier de donatie-omschrijving in: Mageia -
+Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe)
+
+			   </div><br><br>
+
+			    <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Click here to download complete AUFML Bank Identity Data [jpg]</a><br>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donate via check</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur Uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving
+mee te geven, zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia
+project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de
+knop:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerk)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br>
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br>
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br>
+				  				33: Bernd Deinzer<br>
+				  				34: Roland Gillard<br>
+				  				35: Dušan Pavlík<br>
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
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+Ma�t,<br><br>The reversion of the Dutch translation.<br>Success once again!!!!!!<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Op 23 september 2010 17:10 schreef isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> het volgende:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Attached the Dutch translation.<br>Success!!!!<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net" target="_blank">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<div>&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>
+&gt; Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi Isadora,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks a lot for your offer !<br>
+<br>
+.nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)<br>
+<br>
+Your help is most welcome !<br>
+<div><div></div><div><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTinAjhmKH2JvoQ3S+bax77qGzhxNSZtxfuadUsL7@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">2010/9/23 Funda Wang <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">&lt;fundawang@gmail.com&gt;</a>:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">I think a branch is very different from a fork. For instance, forking
+a process (programming) is very hard to understand in Chinese
+literatrue.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+I see, so if something splits into 2 ongoing parts then one is always
+th superior and the other is the branch? Ok, I'm sure there are many
+expressions in Chinese which may be alien to our languages.
+
+Actually Mageia is more a branch than a fork anyway /me thinks.
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+In English (at least here in North Central Texas) when referring to a
+river, a branch and a fork are much the same thing ... either can
+indicate the dividing of a river in either the upstream or the down
+stream direction.&nbsp; But in Unix/Linux a fork usually means that a
+process (the parent) makes a copy of itself (the child), and then these
+both continue, possibly on their own but not necessarily (do I
+understand that correctly?).&nbsp; If that is so (definition of fork for
+Linux), is their an appropriate word or phrase (is that the right way
+to say it?) in Chinese?&nbsp; Hope that helps.&nbsp; Hope it isn't too hopelessly
+off the mark.<br>
+Regards<br>
+Fred James<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTinAjhmKH2JvoQ3S+bax77qGzhxNSZtxfuadUsL7@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">2010/9/23 Funda Wang <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">&lt;fundawang@gmail.com&gt;</a>:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">I think a branch is very different from a fork. For instance, forking
+a process (programming) is very hard to understand in Chinese
+literatrue.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+I see, so if something splits into 2 ongoing parts then one is always
+th superior and the other is the branch? Ok, I'm sure there are many
+expressions in Chinese which may be alien to our languages.
+
+Actually Mageia is more a branch than a fork anyway /me thinks.
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+In English (at least here in North Central Texas) when referring to a
+river, a branch and a fork are much the same thing ... either can
+indicate the dividing of a river in either the upstream or the down
+stream direction.&nbsp; But in Unix/Linux a fork usually means that a
+process (the parent) makes a copy of itself (the child), and then these
+both continue, possibly on their own but not necessarily (do I
+understand that correctly?).&nbsp; If that is so (definition of fork for
+Linux), is their an appropriate word or phrase (is that the right way
+to say it?) in Chinese?&nbsp; Hope that helps.&nbsp; Hope it isn't too hopelessly
+off the mark.<br>
+Regards<br>
+Fred James<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/23 Olivier M�jean &lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Will it be ok with this :<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>Sorry Olivier - it&#39;s too early for me! I got up at 5 and already<br>
+translated the blog pages - still blind as a mole!<br>
+<br>
+1. I do not need the address when I use SEPA/EU for transfer - works,<br>
+just transferred.<br>
+<br>
+2. The postal address of AUFML is on the donation page, just a couple<br>
+of lines below, in the &quot;Donations by check&quot; section!<br>
+<br>
+arf! (is that the correct expression in French?)<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+wobo<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Hello !<br><br>The address which is specified in the &quot;donate via check&quot; section is not the association address. The postal address of the association is the one on the file that Olivier MEJEAN gave in his e-mail.<br>
+<br>The address in the &quot;donate via check&quot; section is the address of the treasurer.<br><br><br>I hope it will answer the qauestions.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Elode / DjeZAeL<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/23 Olivier M�jean &lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Will it be ok with this :<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>Sorry Olivier - it&#39;s too early for me! I got up at 5 and already<br>
+translated the blog pages - still blind as a mole!<br>
+<br>
+1. I do not need the address when I use SEPA/EU for transfer - works,<br>
+just transferred.<br>
+<br>
+2. The postal address of AUFML is on the donation page, just a couple<br>
+of lines below, in the &quot;Donations by check&quot; section!<br>
+<br>
+arf! (is that the correct expression in French?)<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+wobo<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Hello !<br><br>The address which is specified in the &quot;donate via check&quot; section is not the association address. The postal address of the association is the one on the file that Olivier MEJEAN gave in his e-mail.<br>
+<br>The address in the &quot;donate via check&quot; section is the address of the treasurer.<br><br><br>I hope it will answer the qauestions.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Elode / DjeZAeL<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML>
+<html dir="ltr" lang="en"><head>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+
+
+
+    <meta charset="utf-8">
+    <title>Mageia - Een nieuwe Linux Distributie - </title>
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+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
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+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
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+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie-campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project. 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML volledige
+transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie.<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, hebben we servers nodig, alsmede hosting,
+registratie van de Mageia merk- en domeinnamen van Mageia, alsmede registratie
+van de organisatie enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en
+uitgegeven gelden worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van
+cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving mee te geven, zodat de AUFML
+de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project, gebruik het volgende
+formaat in de omschrijving: Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres</strong><br><br>
+			   Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor Uw
+bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>In favor of/Ten name van:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van Uw donatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mention/Omschrijving:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier de donatie-omschrijving in: Mageia -
+Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe)
+
+			   </div><br><br>
+
+			    <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Click here to download complete AUFML Bank Identity Data [jpg]</a><br>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via cheque</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur Uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving
+mee te geven, zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia
+project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de
+knop:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerk)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br>
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br>
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br>
+				  				33: Bernd Deinzer<br>
+				  				34: Roland Gillard<br>
+				  				35: Dušan Pavlík<br>
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
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+Ma�t,<br><br>Cannot get enough of translating.<br>The end-result now for the Dutch translation.<br><br>Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.<br>Should have checked before.<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>
+&gt; Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi Isadora,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks a lot for your offer !<br>
+<br>
+.nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)<br>
+<br>
+Your help is most welcome !<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML>
+<html dir="ltr" lang="en"><head>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+
+
+
+    <meta charset="utf-8">
+    <title>Mageia - Een nieuwe Linux Distributie - </title>
+    <meta name="description" content="Mageia is een nieuwe community-based Linux
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+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie-campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project. 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML volledige
+transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie.<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, hebben we servers nodig, alsmede hosting,
+registratie van de Mageia merk- en domeinnamen van Mageia, alsmede registratie
+van de organisatie enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en
+uitgegeven gelden worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van
+cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving mee te geven, zodat de AUFML
+de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project, gebruik het volgende
+formaat in de omschrijving: Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres</strong><br><br>
+			   Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor Uw
+bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>In favor of/Ten name van:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van Uw donatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mention/Omschrijving:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier de donatie-omschrijving in: Mageia -
+Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe)
+
+			   </div><br><br>
+
+			    <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Click here to download complete AUFML Bank Identity Data [jpg]</a><br>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via cheque</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur Uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving
+mee te geven, zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia
+project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de
+knop:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerk)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br>
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br>
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br>
+				  				33: Bernd Deinzer<br>
+				  				34: Roland Gillard<br>
+				  				35: Dušan Pavlík<br>
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+Ma�t,<br><br>Cannot get enough of translating.<br>The end-result now for the Dutch translation.<br><br>Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.<br>Should have checked before.<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2010/9/23 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?<br>
+&gt; Let me know, and i&#39;ll work on it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Hi Isadora,<br>
+<br>
+Thanks a lot for your offer !<br>
+<br>
+.nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)<br>
+<br>
+Your help is most welcome !<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+I&#39;m not coming from Halloween culture, so I had no idea...<br>I&#39;d agree with all the 3 points, if it was up to me.<br>Just tryin&#39;...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">De : <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a><br>
+
+[mailto:<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+Envoyé : 23 septembre 2010 08:13<br>
+À : Mageia general discussions<br>
+Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not<br>
+because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This<br>
+is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any<br>
+product.<br>
+<br>
+I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some<br>
+logos, based on Mageia&#39;s meaning, but a bit derived:<br>
+- a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+- cat&#39;s eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+- an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+- any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon&#39;s horn)<br>
+- an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe&#39;s stories the orb is a link, like<br>
+a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )<br>
+<br>
+What do you think?<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+-------------------------------<br>
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.<br>
+<br>
+- Forget black cat<br>
+- I&#39;m not sure an Owl is a good idea<br>
+- No magic wand for God&#39;s sake<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO<br>
+<a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</a><br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+I&#39;m not coming from Halloween culture, so I had no idea...<br>I&#39;d agree with all the 3 points, if it was up to me.<br>Just tryin&#39;...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">De : <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a><br>
+
+[mailto:<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+Envoyé : 23 septembre 2010 08:13<br>
+À : Mageia general discussions<br>
+Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not<br>
+because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This<br>
+is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any<br>
+product.<br>
+<br>
+I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some<br>
+logos, based on Mageia&#39;s meaning, but a bit derived:<br>
+- a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+- cat&#39;s eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+- an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+- any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon&#39;s horn)<br>
+- an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe&#39;s stories the orb is a link, like<br>
+a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )<br>
+<br>
+What do you think?<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+-------------------------------<br>
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.<br>
+<br>
+- Forget black cat<br>
+- I&#39;m not sure an Owl is a good idea<br>
+- No magic wand for God&#39;s sake<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO<br>
+<a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</a><br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Actually, I&#39;d do these in parallel, since these request different resources.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hmm, right but...<br>...every army needs a flag! ;)<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org" target="_blank">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 à 14:19 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a écrit :<br>
+<div><br>
+&gt; Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style.  Graphic artists<br>
+&gt; and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision<br>
+&gt; about the logo.  To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market<br>
+&gt; because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender<br>
+&gt; different reactions.  We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to<br>
+&gt; engender in that target market.<br>
+<br>
+</div>In fact, I would do quite the contrary. In order to test the process and<br>
+organize the community, I would first do a test-run of the process and<br>
+try to work on it.<br>
+<br>
+Later, once we are sure that the process is working, etc, etc, then we<br>
+can rethink on the real logo.<br>
+<br>
+Ie, like we do prototyping for software, we should prototype the<br>
+process.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Actually, I&#39;d do these in parallel, since these request different resources.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hmm, right but...<br>...every army needs a flag! ;)<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org" target="_blank">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 à 14:19 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a écrit :<br>
+<div><br>
+&gt; Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style.  Graphic artists<br>
+&gt; and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision<br>
+&gt; about the logo.  To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market<br>
+&gt; because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender<br>
+&gt; different reactions.  We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to<br>
+&gt; engender in that target market.<br>
+<br>
+</div>In fact, I would do quite the contrary. In order to test the process and<br>
+organize the community, I would first do a test-run of the process and<br>
+try to work on it.<br>
+<br>
+Later, once we are sure that the process is working, etc, etc, then we<br>
+can rethink on the real logo.<br>
+<br>
+Ie, like we do prototyping for software, we should prototype the<br>
+process.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:45 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Olivier Thauvin<br>
+<div class="im">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; * Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<a href="mailto:cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk">cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I love SOURCERY (it&#39;ll be the best one)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I also proposed SPARK but none of them are in the doodle pool<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I probably miss your, all my apologies for this.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Spark =&gt; sparc, as Marianne said, homophony can be a problem<br>
+&gt; SOURCERY =&gt; some others projects have this name.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So no regrets.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Olivier Thauvin<br>
+&gt; CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+&gt; ♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div><div class="im">&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m bummed about ruling out Sourcery.  Is Sourcereia is too strange?<br>
+<br>
+My favorite on the list *was* Presto, as in the magician&#39;s phrase<br>
+&quot;Presto Chango&quot; and there is a brand of cooking products named Presto.<br>
+<br>
+Unfortunately, there&#39;s a commercial software named Presto so we&#39;d<br>
+better steer clear of that.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.prestomypc.com" target="_blank">http://www.prestomypc.com</a><br>
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+Rick<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Abracadabra?<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:45 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Olivier Thauvin<br>
+<div class="im">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; * Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<a href="mailto:cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk">cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk</a>) wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I love SOURCERY (it&#39;ll be the best one)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I also proposed SPARK but none of them are in the doodle pool<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I probably miss your, all my apologies for this.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Spark =&gt; sparc, as Marianne said, homophony can be a problem<br>
+&gt; SOURCERY =&gt; some others projects have this name.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So no regrets.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Olivier Thauvin<br>
+&gt; CNRS  -  LATMOS<br>
+&gt; ♖ ♘ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div><div class="im">&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;m bummed about ruling out Sourcery.  Is Sourcereia is too strange?<br>
+<br>
+My favorite on the list *was* Presto, as in the magician&#39;s phrase<br>
+&quot;Presto Chango&quot; and there is a brand of cooking products named Presto.<br>
+<br>
+Unfortunately, there&#39;s a commercial software named Presto so we&#39;d<br>
+better steer clear of that.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.prestomypc.com" target="_blank">http://www.prestomypc.com</a><br>
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+Rick<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Abracadabra?<br><br>
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+LOL, I agree.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:25 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Dubeau, Patrick<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; De : <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; [mailto:<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+&gt; Envoyé : 23 septembre 2010 08:13<br>
+&gt; À : Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt; Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not<br>
+&gt; because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This<br>
+&gt; is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any<br>
+&gt; product.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some<br>
+&gt; logos, based on Mageia&#39;s meaning, but a bit derived:<br>
+&gt; - a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+&gt; - cat&#39;s eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+&gt; - an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+&gt; - any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon&#39;s horn)<br>
+&gt; - an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe&#39;s stories the orb is a link, like<br>
+&gt; a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What do you think?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+&gt; -------------------------------<br>
+&gt; Hi all,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Forget black cat<br>
+&gt; - I&#39;m not sure an Owl is a good idea<br>
+&gt; - No magic wand for God&#39;s sake<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>And definitely forget about black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639" target="_blank">http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639</a><br>
+<br>
+That image still give me nightmares. ;o)<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+LOL, I agree.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:25 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Dubeau, Patrick<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; De : <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; [mailto:<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+&gt; Envoyé : 23 septembre 2010 08:13<br>
+&gt; À : Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt; Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not<br>
+&gt; because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This<br>
+&gt; is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any<br>
+&gt; product.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some<br>
+&gt; logos, based on Mageia&#39;s meaning, but a bit derived:<br>
+&gt; - a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+&gt; - cat&#39;s eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+&gt; - an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils, alternately)<br>
+&gt; - any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon&#39;s horn)<br>
+&gt; - an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe&#39;s stories the orb is a link, like<br>
+&gt; a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What do you think?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+&gt; -------------------------------<br>
+&gt; Hi all,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Forget black cat<br>
+&gt; - I&#39;m not sure an Owl is a good idea<br>
+&gt; - No magic wand for God&#39;s sake<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>And definitely forget about black stars instead of eyes&#39; pupils:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639" target="_blank">http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639</a><br>
+<br>
+That image still give me nightmares. ;o)<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+&quot;Mageia: Power of a Spell&quot;<br>
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+&quot;Mageia: Power of a Spell&quot;<br>
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+<div>I propose this rendition to the slogan &quot;Mageia, the magic continues&quot; to use in greek languge:<br clear="all"></div><div>«Mageia, και η μαγεία συνεχίζεται...»</div><div><br></div><div>Are you agree  ?</div><div>
+<br></div><div><br></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div>I propose this rendition to the slogan &quot;Mageia, the magic continues&quot; to use in greek languge:<br clear="all"></div><div>«Mageia, και η μαγεία συνεχίζεται...»</div><div><br></div><div>Are you agree  ?</div><div>
+<br></div><div><br></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 13:58, Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Picking up from where Mageia forked off, many things activities look like continuity from Mandriva Linux. But forking is also a challenge to find not too hard to implement improvements - such as &quot;bugzilla monitoring&quot;.<br>
+
+<br>
+I think I am not the only one who frequently felt frustrated submitting yet another bug, knowing that it had more 50% of chance to disappear the &quot;oubliettes&quot;. I think there is an objective question: if bugs are not followed up, that should not just happen by accident - there should be an explicit and justified decision. There is also a subjective question: a user who went through the pains to write a good bug report should get a feedback with a followup, even if there are no &quot;comments&quot; in the bugzilla data base.<br>
+
+<br>
+Some ideas: have a &quot;lost bug advocate&quot;? create a team - just like the &quot;triage team&quot; that feels responsible for bugs not to disappear? (different from the, but talking to, maybe overlapping the triage team, leaning on the &quot;dev&quot; - in Mageia it will be a volonteer, even more important - to whom a bug is assigned) - proposing and justifying which bugs - for the time being - will have no follow up), creating some commented statistics on the fate of bugs - good for QA, but also for PR about Mageia? trigger an alarm if too many bugs remain un-resolved? - always assuming that enough active contribution can be recruited from the temp. wiki list. I also believe that, for Mageia, the situation is different. In Mandriva, I guess that some (many?) of these acitivities were done by staff of the QA group - in Mageia an alternative is needed.<br>
+
+<br>
+Maybe Mandriva had something like this - if yes, it was too well hidden.<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>+1<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 13:58, Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Picking up from where Mageia forked off, many things activities look like continuity from Mandriva Linux. But forking is also a challenge to find not too hard to implement improvements - such as &quot;bugzilla monitoring&quot;.<br>
+
+<br>
+I think I am not the only one who frequently felt frustrated submitting yet another bug, knowing that it had more 50% of chance to disappear the &quot;oubliettes&quot;. I think there is an objective question: if bugs are not followed up, that should not just happen by accident - there should be an explicit and justified decision. There is also a subjective question: a user who went through the pains to write a good bug report should get a feedback with a followup, even if there are no &quot;comments&quot; in the bugzilla data base.<br>
+
+<br>
+Some ideas: have a &quot;lost bug advocate&quot;? create a team - just like the &quot;triage team&quot; that feels responsible for bugs not to disappear? (different from the, but talking to, maybe overlapping the triage team, leaning on the &quot;dev&quot; - in Mageia it will be a volonteer, even more important - to whom a bug is assigned) - proposing and justifying which bugs - for the time being - will have no follow up), creating some commented statistics on the fate of bugs - good for QA, but also for PR about Mageia? trigger an alarm if too many bugs remain un-resolved? - always assuming that enough active contribution can be recruited from the temp. wiki list. I also believe that, for Mageia, the situation is different. In Mandriva, I guess that some (many?) of these acitivities were done by staff of the QA group - in Mageia an alternative is needed.<br>
+
+<br>
+Maybe Mandriva had something like this - if yes, it was too well hidden.<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>+1<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 09/24/2010 01:59 PM, herman wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:1285354793.6273.5.camel@athene" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 11:47 -0700, Marc Paré wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Hey, Olivier! What's cooking so far at the "Cauldron"?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">As O'l Bill of the Shaky Spear put it in MacBeth:
+"Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble."
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Bitstream Vera Sans">Now there's a slogan useful for
+      something? </font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 09/24/2010 01:59 PM, herman wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:1285354793.6273.5.camel@athene" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 11:47 -0700, Marc Paré wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Hey, Olivier! What's cooking so far at the "Cauldron"?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">As O'l Bill of the Shaky Spear put it in MacBeth:
+"Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble."
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Bitstream Vera Sans">Now there's a slogan useful for
+      something? </font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+Le 24/09/2010 19:47, Frederic Janssens a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTi=-jzv9446QFT4unKcKiYMCGH1ThRBe=tDCsEeg@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite"><br>
+  <br>
+  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora <span
+ dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+wrote:<br>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+    <br>
+Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>
+I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>
+Would appreciate your input.<br>
+    <font color="#888888"><br>
+Isadora<br>
+    </font><br>
+  </blockquote>
+  </div>
+I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>
+She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>
+I will transmit it.<br>
+  <br>
+</blockquote>
+Cool news. <br>
+<br>
+Thanks to you three :)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+Le 24/09/2010 19:47, Frederic Janssens a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTi=-jzv9446QFT4unKcKiYMCGH1ThRBe=tDCsEeg@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite"><br>
+  <br>
+  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora <span
+ dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+wrote:<br>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+    <br>
+Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>
+I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>
+Would appreciate your input.<br>
+    <font color="#888888"><br>
+Isadora<br>
+    </font><br>
+  </blockquote>
+  </div>
+I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>
+She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>
+I will transmit it.<br>
+  <br>
+</blockquote>
+Cool news. <br>
+<br>
+Thanks to you three :)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">I like it :-)<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43077235@N06/5017775915/in/pool-mageia-art/#/photos/43077235@N06/5017775915/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43077235@N06/5017775915/in/pool-mageia-art/#/photos/43077235@N06/5017775915/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span><br></div><br>
+
+
+
+
+      </body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">I like it :-)<br><br><span><a target="_blank" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43077235@N06/5017775915/in/pool-mageia-art/#/photos/43077235@N06/5017775915/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43077235@N06/5017775915/in/pool-mageia-art/#/photos/43077235@N06/5017775915/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span><br></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Jérôme Martin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@delaur.net">mageia@delaur.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+</div>Why don&#39;t you post this an aufml mailing list ?<br>
+_______________________________________________<br><br></blockquote><div>Because it concern the two parties, and not only aufml</div><div>But, off course, aufml is the first, trough irc, to have link </div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Jérôme Martin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@delaur.net">mageia@delaur.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+</div>Why don&#39;t you post this an aufml mailing list ?<br>
+_______________________________________________<br><br></blockquote><div>Because it concern the two parties, and not only aufml</div><div>But, off course, aufml is the first, trough irc, to have link </div></div><br>
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+Le 24/09/2010 14:46, Marianne Lombard a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9C9D9E.1000708@tuxette.fr" type="cite"> Le
+24/09/2010 14:37, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a écrit :
+  <br>
+  <blockquote type="cite">Bonjour à tous,
+    <br>
+    <br>
+[...]<br>
+ <br>
+  </blockquote>
+It works only if the association is declared of "public utility" (like
+the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+  <br>
+  <br>
+Marianne
+  <br>
+  <br>
+PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french
+unable to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in
+english, even it's with a lot of errors)
+  <br>
+  <br>
+</blockquote>
+She can also be very nice and friendly according to people who know her
+well ^^<br>
+<br>
+(though i suspect this part of her being visible implies to use a demon
+control pentagram)<br>
+<br>
+Maât<br>
+<br>
+:o)<br>
+<br>
+Nota : even if joking i think, as Marianne does, that a <span
+ id="result_box" class="short_text"><span
+ style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
+ title="">little bit of "english discipline" will not hurt :)<br>
+</span></span><br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Le 24/09/2010 14:46, Marianne Lombard a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9C9D9E.1000708@tuxette.fr" type="cite"> Le
+24/09/2010 14:37, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a écrit :
+  <br>
+  <blockquote type="cite">Bonjour à tous,
+    <br>
+    <br>
+[...]<br>
+ <br>
+  </blockquote>
+It works only if the association is declared of "public utility" (like
+the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+  <br>
+  <br>
+Marianne
+  <br>
+  <br>
+PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french
+unable to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in
+english, even it's with a lot of errors)
+  <br>
+  <br>
+</blockquote>
+She can also be very nice and friendly according to people who know her
+well ^^<br>
+<br>
+(though i suspect this part of her being visible implies to use a demon
+control pentagram)<br>
+<br>
+Maât<br>
+<br>
+:o)<br>
+<br>
+Nota : even if joking i think, as Marianne does, that a <span
+ id="result_box" class="short_text"><span
+ style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
+ title="">little bit of "english discipline" will not hurt :)<br>
+</span></span><br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:31 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not</span><br><span>Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a</span><br><span>theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.</span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0023A3"><br></font></font></div></blockquote><br><div>I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I like blueish themes.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Salut,</div><div>Sinner</div></body></html>
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+<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div><br><br><br></div><div><br>On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:31 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not</span><br><span>Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a</span><br><span>theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.</span><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#0023A3"><br></font></font></div></blockquote><br><div>I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I like blueish themes.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>Salut,</div><div>Sinner</div></body></html>
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+Worst is there are started again and again the same topics in different threads.<br>
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+Worst is there are started again and again the same topics in different threads.<br>
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+It is a stress reaction.<br>
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+It is a stress reaction.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Malcer Quaid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-repeat: repeat; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-size: small;">Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD</span></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br>
+<br></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></p><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Mihai Dobrescu</font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52</font></span></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: Mageia general discussions</font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia</font></span></p>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><div>
+ <div></div> <div> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">  <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;">
+ <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p>  <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p>
+  <font size="2"><div> <br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p> </div></font><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+  </p> </div> <br clear="all"> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div> <br>i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br> </div> </div> <br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div> <br></font><br>
+_______________________________________________<br> Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br> </blockquote> </div> <br>As I have said here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+  ...6 hours ago...<br><br> This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br> The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br> Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br>
+<br>Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+ I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain level of quality.<br><br>Regards, Mike.<br><br> </div></div></div></blockquote><div><div></div><div class="h5"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+</p><br><br><div><br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p></div></div></div></font><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+</p></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>I think this is the original designer&#39;s privilege...<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Malcer Quaid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-repeat: repeat; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-size: small;">Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD</span></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-size: small;"><br></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br>
+<br></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"></p><blockquote type="cite"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Mihai Dobrescu</font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52</font></span></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: Mageia general discussions</font></span></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><span style="font-family: Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia</font></span></p>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><div>
+ <div></div> <div> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">  <div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;">
+ <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p>  <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><br>
+</span></font></p> <p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p>
+  <font size="2"><div> <br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p> </div></font><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+  </p> </div> <br clear="all"> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div> <br>i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br> </div> </div> <br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div> <br></font><br>
+_______________________________________________<br> Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br> </blockquote> </div> <br>As I have said here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+  ...6 hours ago...<br><br> This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br> The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br> Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br>
+<br>Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+ I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain level of quality.<br><br>Regards, Mike.<br><br> </div></div></div></blockquote><div><div></div><div class="h5"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+</p><br><br><div><br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p></div></div></div></font><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+</p></div>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>I think this is the original designer&#39;s privilege...<br>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD</span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br /><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Mihai Dobrescu</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: Mageia general discussions</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia</font></span></p><br /><div> <br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" >dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0,8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"> <br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" >malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><div> <div></div> <div class="h5"> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0,8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;">  <div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-right:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;background-repeat:repeat repeat;"> <p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;"><font><span style="font-size:small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p>  <p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;"><font><span style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></font></p> <p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;"><font><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p>  <font size="2"><div> <br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br /><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p> </div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;">  </p> </div> <br clear="all" /> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div> <br />i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .<br /> </div> </div> <br />-- <br /><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div> <br /></font><br />_______________________________________________<br /> Mageia-discuss mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" >Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br /><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br /><br /> </blockquote> </div> <br />As I have said here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br />  ...6 hours ago...<br /><br /> This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br /> The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br /> Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...<br /><br />Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no matter I did not see it ever.<br /> I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain level of quality.<br /><br />Regards, Mike.<br /><br /> </div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD</span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br /><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Mihai Dobrescu</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: Mageia general discussions</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia</font></span></p><br /><div> <br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" >dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0,8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"> <br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" >malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><div> <div></div> <div class="h5"> <br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0,8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;">  <div style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-right:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;background-repeat:repeat repeat;"> <p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;"><font><span style="font-size:small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p>  <p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;"><font><span style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></font></p> <p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;"><font><span style="font-size:small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p>  <font size="2"><div> <br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br /><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p> </div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px;">  </p> </div> <br clear="all" /> </blockquote> </div> </div> <div> <br />i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .<br /> </div> </div> <br />-- <br /><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div> <br /></font><br />_______________________________________________<br /> Mageia-discuss mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" >Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br /><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br /><br /> </blockquote> </div> <br />As I have said here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br />  ...6 hours ago...<br /><br /> This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br /> The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br /> Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...<br /><br />Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no matter I did not see it ever.<br /> I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain level of quality.<br /><br />Regards, Mike.<br /><br /> </div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Miguel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cullero@gmail.com">cullero@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi!<br>
+Guala, a member of BlogDrake (who can&#39;t speak English) is asking if<br>
+all the arkwork has to re-designed. In particular, he would like to<br>
+know if Mageia needs:<br>
+<br>
+1) The color(s) of the distro.<br>
+2) A specific desktop theme. In my opinion, it should fit both KDE and GNOME.<br>
+3) A revision of all drake-tools icons. I would say that the current<br>
+Mandriva icons are a bit old fashioned.<br>
+<br>
+Maybe, the place to send proposals is the flicr-Mageia group. And in<br>
+the future, somebody from the board can make polls similar to the one<br>
+for the cooker name.<br>
+<br>
+Comments are welcome!<br>
+motitos<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>If you ask me, the whole themes should be re-think. Is that possible to design a whole new look? (KDE/Gnome themes, icons set)?<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Miguel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cullero@gmail.com">cullero@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi!<br>
+Guala, a member of BlogDrake (who can&#39;t speak English) is asking if<br>
+all the arkwork has to re-designed. In particular, he would like to<br>
+know if Mageia needs:<br>
+<br>
+1) The color(s) of the distro.<br>
+2) A specific desktop theme. In my opinion, it should fit both KDE and GNOME.<br>
+3) A revision of all drake-tools icons. I would say that the current<br>
+Mandriva icons are a bit old fashioned.<br>
+<br>
+Maybe, the place to send proposals is the flicr-Mageia group. And in<br>
+the future, somebody from the board can make polls similar to the one<br>
+for the cooker name.<br>
+<br>
+Comments are welcome!<br>
+motitos<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>If you ask me, the whole themes should be re-think. Is that possible to design a whole new look? (KDE/Gnome themes, icons set)?<br>
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+EOS KDE wallpaper has a calm and nice shade of blue. It is not a screaming color. Blue is statistically the preferred color in DE (by users). It should be the most successful.<br>From the old Oxygen icon set I would like the trashcan_empty as shape, but drawn as trashcan_empty_alt (without the cap) in texture, finish and color. It is more glamorous and classy. Even trashcan_empty_alt shape is nice, but without the cap. - IMHO.<br>
+Please take in consideration.<br>Again, I think that design could be made in parallel with the software development - it request different skills. Of course, some software adjustment is required to implement the theme.<br>
+Could get a mock-up from some professional designer, as Oxygen team is? (look at the members portfolios, it worths the time!)<br> Ia Ora is a bit too fat for my taste. Glass and aluminum look better than plastic.<br>Gnome looks always better polished in theme. Maybe KDE could be fashioned that way?<br>
+<br>I hope I was not too annoying :) It is just my taste, my opinion.<br>Thank you.<br>
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+EOS KDE wallpaper has a calm and nice shade of blue. It is not a screaming color. Blue is statistically the preferred color in DE (by users). It should be the most successful.<br>From the old Oxygen icon set I would like the trashcan_empty as shape, but drawn as trashcan_empty_alt (without the cap) in texture, finish and color. It is more glamorous and classy. Even trashcan_empty_alt shape is nice, but without the cap. - IMHO.<br>
+Please take in consideration.<br>Again, I think that design could be made in parallel with the software development - it request different skills. Of course, some software adjustment is required to implement the theme.<br>
+Could get a mock-up from some professional designer, as Oxygen team is? (look at the members portfolios, it worths the time!)<br> Ia Ora is a bit too fat for my taste. Glass and aluminum look better than plastic.<br>Gnome looks always better polished in theme. Maybe KDE could be fashioned that way?<br>
+<br>I hope I was not too annoying :) It is just my taste, my opinion.<br>Thank you.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----- Mensaje original -----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Para: Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I have said<br>
+&gt; here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+&gt; ...6 hours ago...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br>
+&gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br>
+&gt; Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am<br>
+&gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create<br>
+&gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no<br>
+&gt; matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+&gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain<br>
+&gt; level of quality.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards, Mike.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)<br>
+<br>
+So far, this one is my favorite:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br>
+<br>
+Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.  :o)<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim semi-lune. Don&#39;t know.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----- Mensaje original -----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Para: Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I have said<br>
+&gt; here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+&gt; ...6 hours ago...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br>
+&gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br>
+&gt; Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am<br>
+&gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create<br>
+&gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no<br>
+&gt; matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+&gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain<br>
+&gt; level of quality.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards, Mike.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)<br>
+<br>
+So far, this one is my favorite:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br>
+<br>
+Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.  :o)<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim semi-lune. Don&#39;t know.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:58 PM, atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>I also fond of Bordeaux color. But i doubt it&#39; ll be used in mageia theming<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>A shame, at least as a second choice... It&#39;s passion!<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:58 PM, atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>I also fond of Bordeaux color. But i doubt it&#39; ll be used in mageia theming<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>A shame, at least as a second choice... It&#39;s passion!<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 24/09/10 17:09, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinXny1Mqy3asX+ESPkXkF92aq+xNnaFAxciCxX-@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Malcer Quaid <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">&lt;malcer@gmx.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+
+
+If we change the "m" with another font?
+
+----- Mensaje original -----
+
+De: Mihai Dobrescu
+
+Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+
+Para: Mageia general discussions
+
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+
+
+On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">&lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;</a>wrote:
+
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre wrap="">
+
+2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">&lt;malcer@gmx.com&gt;</a>
+
+ I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</pre>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <pre wrap="">
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a>
+
+
+
+</pre>
+          </blockquote>
+          <pre wrap="">i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
+
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap="">As I have said here:
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+...6 hours ago...
+
+This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+The "M" has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...
+
+Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+matter I did not see it ever.
+I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+level of quality.
+
+Regards, Mike.
+
+
+
+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a>
+
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">I think this is the original designer's privilege...
+
+</pre>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Mint? Looks more like Mozilla.<br>
+    <br>
+    -Olav.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 24/09/10 17:09, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinXny1Mqy3asX+ESPkXkF92aq+xNnaFAxciCxX-@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Malcer Quaid <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">&lt;malcer@gmx.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+
+
+If we change the "m" with another font?
+
+----- Mensaje original -----
+
+De: Mihai Dobrescu
+
+Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+
+Para: Mageia general discussions
+
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+
+
+On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">&lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;</a>wrote:
+
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre wrap="">
+
+2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">&lt;malcer@gmx.com&gt;</a>
+
+ I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</pre>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <pre wrap="">
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a>
+
+
+
+</pre>
+          </blockquote>
+          <pre wrap="">i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
+
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap="">As I have said here:
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+...6 hours ago...
+
+This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+The "M" has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...
+
+Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+matter I did not see it ever.
+I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+level of quality.
+
+Regards, Mike.
+
+
+
+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a>
+
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">I think this is the original designer's privilege...
+
+</pre>
+      <pre wrap="">
+<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Mint? Looks more like Mozilla.<br>
+    <br>
+    -Olav.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    | <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/">Донације</a></p><p class="loc"><a href="/de/">Немачки</a> | <a href="/el/">Грчки</a> | <a href="/" class="sel">Енглески</a> | <a href="/es/">Шпански</a> | <a href="/fi/">Фински</a> | <a href="/fr/">Француски</a> | <a href="/it/">Италијански</a> | <a href="/nb/">Норвешки</a> | <a href="/nl/">Холандски</a> | <a href="/pl/">Пољски</a> | <a href="/pt-br/">Бразилски</a> | <a href="/ru/">Руски</a> | <a href="/tr/">Турски </a> | <a href="/sl/">Словеначки</a> | <a href="/sl/">Српски</a></p>    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+
+        <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Магеиа <span>&ndash; Нова Линукс дистрибуција</span></h1></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="para">
+                    <p class="date">Париз, 18 Септембар<sup>th</sup> 2010</p>
+
+                    <p>Можда сте чули, будућност Мандрива линукс дистрибуције није јасна.</p>
+                    <p>Већина запослених који раде на дистрибуцији је отпуштено када је Еџ-Ит престао да ради .Ми немам поверења више у планове Мандрива СА и не мислимо да је компанија (или било која ) сигурна за такав пројекат.</p>
+
+                    <p>Много ствари се догодило у протеклих 12 година.
+                        Неке су веома лепе: Мандрива Линукс заједница је постала једна од највећих, мотивисана и искусна, дистрибуција је постала једна од најпопуларнијих и награђиваних производа, лака за употребу и иновативна.
+                        А неке друге су имале стварно лоше последице које су учиниле да корисници не буду тако сигурни у одрживост њихове омиљене дистрибуције.</p>
+                    <p>Људи који раде на дистрибуцији нису желели више да зависе од економских флуктуација и нестабилнисти,необјашњивих потеза компаније.</p>
+                </Div>
+                <div class="para">
+
+                    <h2>Форкинг Мандрива Линукс? Да.</h2>
+
+                    <p>Форк постојећег пројекта отвореног кода никад није лака одлука да се уради, и форковање Мандрива Линукс-а није ни мало лак задатак</p>
+                    <p>То није исхитрена одлука. Ми смо доста разговарали о томе: бивши запослени, кукер сарадници и заједница корисника.Прикупили смо мишљења и реакције протеклих недеља што је и потребно да би се скупили и направили договор како бисмо могли да наставимо даље у циљу напредовања.</p>
+                    <p>Ми верујемо да је форк најбоља одлука и одлучили смо да направимо нову дистрибуцију :
+                        <strong>Магеиа</strong>.</p>
+                        
+                </div>
+
+                <div class="para">
+            <h2>Нове основе.</h2>
+            <p>Магеиа је пројекат заједнице: неће зависити од судбине одређене компаније.</p>
+            <p>Непрофитна организација ће бити организована у наредним данима и њоме ће управљати одбор чланова заједнице. После прве године биће управни одбор биће изабран од стране активних чланова.</p>
+            <p>Ова организација ће управљати и кординисати дистрибуцијом: коде и амп.; хостовањем софтвера и дистрибуције, развојем система, рекламом, одржавањем комуникације и догађајима . Подаци, чињенице, развој, дизајн, разговарати кроз организацију.</p>
+            <p>Ми ћемо разговарати и утврдити детаље у наредним данима.</p>
+
+            <p>Магеиа Линукс ће бити оно што одбор одлучи да буде, уз помоћ и допринос целе заједнице. Ми већ имамо идеје и планове за ову дистрибуцију; Ми желимо:</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li>да линукс и слободни софтвер буде једноставан за коришћење за сваког;</li>
+                <li>да обезбеђује интегрисане алате за Конфигурацију система;</li>
+                <li>да задржи висок степен интеграције између основног система,десктопа (КДЕ,ГНОМЕ) и апликација; посебно интеграције "third-parties"(додатни софтвер од других издавача) софтвера био слободан или власнички ;</li>
+                <li>да подржава више различитихих архитектура процесора и система ;</li>
+                <li>да корисницима унапреди и побољша разумевање рачунара и електронских уређаја .</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>Ви такође вероватно имате идеје. Ми имамо времена да их саслушамо.</p>
+        </div>
+        <div class="para">
+            <h2>Заједница.</h2>
+            <p>Магеиа заједницу чине :</p>
+
+            <ul>
+                <li>корисници,</li>
+                <li>дизајнери, програмери, пакери, преводиоци, тестери, и остали.,</li>
+                <li>адвокати.</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>Они могу бити појединци, организације, компаније из целог света.</p>
+            <p>Овде постоје изазови; толико много земаља, толико много језика, толико много култура, толико раличитих потреба. И то је сјајно.</p>
+            
+            <p>Ми смо видели са Мандривом да то није лак задатак али верујемо да можемо боље.</p>
+        </div>
+        <div class="para" id="Људи">
+            <h2>Људи.</h2>
+            <p>Шта год да урадите у животу, људи су ваше највеће и једино право богатство. И Магеиа има за циљ да помогне људима.Ми смо на самом почетку рада на форку. Знамо да неће бити лако али верујемо да је све то потребно урадити.</p>
+
+            <ul>
+    <li>Ahmad Samir (ahmad78) - Mandriva contributor (bug triage team, packaging)</li>
+
+    <li>Alfonso Vera (Bersuit) - Blograke admin</li>
+    <li>Angelo Naselli (anaselli) - Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+    <li>Anne Nicolas (ennael) - former Mandriva employee (was packaging, release manager, community management)</li>
+    <li>Anssi Hannula (Anssi) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, translations)</li>
+    <li>Arnaud Patard (rtp) - former Mandriva employee (was kernel hacker)</li>
+    <li>Atilla �NTAS (tarakbumba) - Mandriva Translator, Mandriva Turkiye Community Admin, MVT packager</li>
+
+    <li>Charles A Edwards (eslrahc) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, patches, testing, user)</li>
+    <li>Colin Guthrie (coling) - Mandriva contributor (Pulse Audio, packaging)</li>
+    <li>Damien Lallement (dams) - former Mandriva employee (was QA manager)</li>
+    <li>Dick Gevers - Mandriva contributor (testing, wiki)</li>
+    <li>Dimitrios Glentadakis (dimitrisg) Greek community users </li>
+    <li>drakedalfa (blogdrake admin)</li>
+
+    <li>Elodie F. (djezael) - French community user</li>
+    <li>Erwan Velu - Mandriva contributor (packaging, hardware enabling)</li>
+    <li>F�lix Martos - Blogdrake admin</li>
+    <li>Florian Hubold (doktor5000) - Mandriva contributor (moderator and packager for mandrivauser.de)</li>
+    <li>Francesc Mart�nez (XescoMM) - BlogDrake admin and Mandriva contributor (translations, bugs)</li>
+    <li>Fr�d�ric CUIF (fredxx) - French Users community (cofounder AUFML)</li>
+
+    <li>Funda Wang (fwang) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, i18n)</li>
+    <li>Glen Ogilvie (nelg)- Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+    <li>GregoryBravas, Blogdrake Admin and Blogdrake packager.</li>
+    <li>Guillaume Rousse (guillomovitch) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, mirror tools)</li>
+    <li>Jacen, Blogdrake (contributor and MDKTrans coordinator)</li>
+    <li>Jani V�limaa (Wally_) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, translations)</li>
+
+    <li>Jean-Gabriel HAYS (janot) - French contributor</li>
+    <li>J�r�me Quelin (jq) - Mandriva contributor (Perl, packaging)</li>
+    <li>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz (Ruperto) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, security, 3rd party project support)</li>
+    <li>Maarten Vanraes (AL13N) - Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+    <li>Marek Walczak (mtw) - Mandriva Polish translator</a>
+    <li>Marianne Lombard (Jehane) - French community user</li>
+
+    <li>Mehdi Hadjard ( neggwada) - French Users community</li>
+    <li>Michael Scherer (misc) - Mandriva contributor (build system, Python, packaging)</li>
+    <li>Nicolas Vigier (boklm) - former Mandriva employee (was working on build system, packaging, mandriva research projects)</li>
+    <li>Olav Dahlum (olorin_) - Mandriva contributor (translation)</li>
+    <li>Olivier Blin (blino) - former Mandriva employee (was Drakxtools, installer, Perl, boot, ...)</li>
+    <li>Olivier Mejean (goom) - French users community</li>
+
+    <li>Olivier Thauvin (Nanar) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, mirrors)</li>
+    <li>Panos Christeas (xrg)</li>
+    <li>Pascal Vilarem (maat) - French users community</li>
+    <li>Peto� �afar�k - Mandriva contributor (packaging, Czech translation)</li>
+    <li>Philippe Makowski - Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+    <li>R�my Clouard (shikamaru) - Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+
+    <li>Romain d'Alverny (rda) - former Mandriva employee (was information system manager)</li>
+    <li>Samuel Verschelde (Stormi) - Mandriva contributor (some packaging and testing)</li>
+    <li>Sandro Cazzaniga (kharec) - Mandriva Contributor (packaging, wiki, bugreport/testing)</li>
+    <li>S�verine Wiltgen (sevalienor) - former Mandriva employee (was professional support, server stack)</li>
+    <li>SinnerBOFH (BlogDrake founder, member of escomposlinux.org)</li>
+    <li>Stephane Flavigny (STEF74) - Mandriva contributor (bug triage team)</li>
+
+    <li>Sylvie TERJAN (erinmargault) - former Mandriva employee and contributor</li>
+    <li>Thierry Vignaud (tv) - Former Mandriva employee and contributor (Drakxtools, installer, Perl, packaging)</li>
+    <li>Thomas Backlund (tmb) - Mandriva contributor (kernel hacker, translations)</li>
+    <li>Tom�s Deltell (Annubis) - BlogDrake admin and packager</li>
+    <li>Tomas Kindl (supp) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, bug triage team, mirror provider for CZ)</li>
+    <li>Thomas Lottmann (Skiper) - French Users community</li>
+
+    <li>Tomasz Pawel Gajc (_TPG) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, XFCE maintainer)</li>
+    <li>Valent�n Ferrer (vfmBOFH) - blogdrake admin, maverick collaborator</li>
+    <li>Wilson R. Fros (nosXw) - Blogdrake Packager</li>
+    <li>Wolfgang Bornath (wobo) - German users community</li>
+</ul>            <p>За друге сараднике: Ако желите да ваше име буде додато на листу и желите да радите на форку јавите нам се на чету или мејлом</p>
+            </div>
+
+            <div class="para">
+                <h2>Следеће.</h2>
+                <p>Ми смо ових дана у потрази за</p>
+                <ul>
+                    <li>опремом за хостовање кода,дистрибиције и сервера;</li>
+                    <li>програмерима, сарадницима, преводиоцима, тестерима који желе да допринесу развојем Магеиа Линукс-а;</li>
+                    <li>саветницима за организацију и планирање.</li>
+
+                </ul>
+                <p>Ваша помоћ и подршка ће Нам  бити добродошла.</p>
+            </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+                    <div class="para" id="contact">
+                    <h2>Како да нас контактирате.</h2>
+
+                     <h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Путем Mejling listе</a></h3>
+
+                     <h3>Чета (Фринод мрежа)</h3>
+                     <ul>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (главни канал,Енглески),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (канал за програмере, Енглески),</li>
+
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (канал за КДЕ ),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Португалски,Бразил),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Фински),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (Француски),</li>
+
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Шпански),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Италијански),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> Норвешки),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Пољски),</li>
+
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Руски),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (Велика Британија,Енглески)</li>
+</ul>
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+
+                    <div class="para">
+                    <iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/likebox.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2FMageia%2F157247240967735&amp;width=320&amp;connections=10&amp;stream=false&amp;header=false&amp;height=255" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:320px; height:255px;" allowTransparency="true"></iframe>
+                    <p>Можете нас пратити <a href="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">преко Твитера</a>
+                        или на <a href="http://identi.ca/mageia">identi.ca</a>.</p>
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div 
+                <p>*Реч форк није преведена на српски јер би било подуже објашњење а остали текст на српском није идентичан са енглеском верзијом сајта али смисао није изгубљен уколико имате бољу формулацију реченица пошаљите на miodragz@linuxo.org</p>
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+    | <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Придружите нам се!</a>
+    | <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">Чет,Мејлинг листа</a>
+    | <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/">Блог</a>
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+        <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Магеиа <span>&ndash; Нова Линукс дистрибуција</span></h1></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="para">
+                    <p class="date">Париз, 18 Септембар<sup>th</sup> 2010</p>
+
+                    <p>Можда сте чули, будућност Мандрива линукс дистрибуције није јасна.</p>
+                    <p>Већина запослених који раде на дистрибуцији је отпуштено када је Еџ-Ит престао да ради .Ми немам поверења више у планове Мандрива СА и не мислимо да је компанија (или било која ) сигурна за такав пројекат.</p>
+
+                    <p>Много ствари се догодило у протеклих 12 година.
+                        Неке су веома лепе: Мандрива Линукс заједница је постала једна од највећих, мотивисана и искусна, дистрибуција је постала једна од најпопуларнијих и награђиваних производа, лака за употребу и иновативна.
+                        А неке друге су имале стварно лоше последице које су учиниле да корисници не буду тако сигурни у одрживост њихове омиљене дистрибуције.</p>
+                    <p>Људи који раде на дистрибуцији нису желели више да зависе од економских флуктуација и нестабилнисти,необјашњивих потеза компаније.</p>
+                </Div>
+                <div class="para">
+
+                    <h2>Форкинг Мандрива Линукс? Да.</h2>
+
+                    <p>Форк постојећег пројекта отвореног кода никад није лака одлука да се уради, и форковање Мандрива Линукс-а није ни мало лак задатак</p>
+                    <p>То није исхитрена одлука. Ми смо доста разговарали о томе: бивши запослени, кукер сарадници и заједница корисника.Прикупили смо мишљења и реакције протеклих недеља што је и потребно да би се скупили и направили договор како бисмо могли да наставимо даље у циљу напредовања.</p>
+                    <p>Ми верујемо да је форк најбоља одлука и одлучили смо да направимо нову дистрибуцију :
+                        <strong>Магеиа</strong>.</p>
+                        
+                </div>
+
+                <div class="para">
+            <h2>Нове основе.</h2>
+            <p>Магеиа је пројекат заједнице: неће зависити од судбине одређене компаније.</p>
+            <p>Непрофитна организација ће бити организована у наредним данима и њоме ће управљати одбор чланова заједнице. После прве године биће управни одбор биће изабран од стране активних чланова.</p>
+            <p>Ова организација ће управљати и кординисати дистрибуцијом: коде и амп.; хостовањем софтвера и дистрибуције, развојем система, рекламом, одржавањем комуникације и догађајима . Подаци, чињенице, развој, дизајн, разговарати кроз организацију.</p>
+            <p>Ми ћемо разговарати и утврдити детаље у наредним данима.</p>
+
+            <p>Магеиа Линукс ће бити оно што одбор одлучи да буде, уз помоћ и допринос целе заједнице. Ми већ имамо идеје и планове за ову дистрибуцију; Ми желимо:</p>
+            <ul>
+                <li>да линукс и слободни софтвер буде једноставан за коришћење за сваког;</li>
+                <li>да обезбеђује интегрисане алате за Конфигурацију система;</li>
+                <li>да задржи висок степен интеграције између основног система,десктопа (КДЕ,ГНОМЕ) и апликација; посебно интеграције "third-parties"(додатни софтвер од других издавача) софтвера био слободан или власнички ;</li>
+                <li>да подржава више различитихих архитектура процесора и система ;</li>
+                <li>да корисницима унапреди и побољша разумевање рачунара и електронских уређаја .</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>Ви такође вероватно имате идеје. Ми имамо времена да их саслушамо.</p>
+        </div>
+        <div class="para">
+            <h2>Заједница.</h2>
+            <p>Магеиа заједницу чине :</p>
+
+            <ul>
+                <li>корисници,</li>
+                <li>дизајнери, програмери, пакери, преводиоци, тестери, и остали.,</li>
+                <li>адвокати.</li>
+            </ul>
+            <p>Они могу бити појединци, организације, компаније из целог света.</p>
+            <p>Овде постоје изазови; толико много земаља, толико много језика, толико много култура, толико раличитих потреба. И то је сјајно.</p>
+            
+            <p>Ми смо видели са Мандривом да то није лак задатак али верујемо да можемо боље.</p>
+        </div>
+        <div class="para" id="Људи">
+            <h2>Људи.</h2>
+            <p>Шта год да урадите у животу, људи су ваше највеће и једино право богатство. И Магеиа има за циљ да помогне људима.Ми смо на самом почетку рада на форку. Знамо да неће бити лако али верујемо да је све то потребно урадити.</p>
+
+            <ul>
+    <li>Ahmad Samir (ahmad78) - Mandriva contributor (bug triage team, packaging)</li>
+
+    <li>Alfonso Vera (Bersuit) - Blograke admin</li>
+    <li>Angelo Naselli (anaselli) - Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+    <li>Anne Nicolas (ennael) - former Mandriva employee (was packaging, release manager, community management)</li>
+    <li>Anssi Hannula (Anssi) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, translations)</li>
+    <li>Arnaud Patard (rtp) - former Mandriva employee (was kernel hacker)</li>
+    <li>Atilla �NTAS (tarakbumba) - Mandriva Translator, Mandriva Turkiye Community Admin, MVT packager</li>
+
+    <li>Charles A Edwards (eslrahc) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, patches, testing, user)</li>
+    <li>Colin Guthrie (coling) - Mandriva contributor (Pulse Audio, packaging)</li>
+    <li>Damien Lallement (dams) - former Mandriva employee (was QA manager)</li>
+    <li>Dick Gevers - Mandriva contributor (testing, wiki)</li>
+    <li>Dimitrios Glentadakis (dimitrisg) Greek community users </li>
+    <li>drakedalfa (blogdrake admin)</li>
+
+    <li>Elodie F. (djezael) - French community user</li>
+    <li>Erwan Velu - Mandriva contributor (packaging, hardware enabling)</li>
+    <li>F�lix Martos - Blogdrake admin</li>
+    <li>Florian Hubold (doktor5000) - Mandriva contributor (moderator and packager for mandrivauser.de)</li>
+    <li>Francesc Mart�nez (XescoMM) - BlogDrake admin and Mandriva contributor (translations, bugs)</li>
+    <li>Fr�d�ric CUIF (fredxx) - French Users community (cofounder AUFML)</li>
+
+    <li>Funda Wang (fwang) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, i18n)</li>
+    <li>Glen Ogilvie (nelg)- Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+    <li>GregoryBravas, Blogdrake Admin and Blogdrake packager.</li>
+    <li>Guillaume Rousse (guillomovitch) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, mirror tools)</li>
+    <li>Jacen, Blogdrake (contributor and MDKTrans coordinator)</li>
+    <li>Jani V�limaa (Wally_) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, translations)</li>
+
+    <li>Jean-Gabriel HAYS (janot) - French contributor</li>
+    <li>J�r�me Quelin (jq) - Mandriva contributor (Perl, packaging)</li>
+    <li>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz (Ruperto) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, security, 3rd party project support)</li>
+    <li>Maarten Vanraes (AL13N) - Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+    <li>Marek Walczak (mtw) - Mandriva Polish translator</a>
+    <li>Marianne Lombard (Jehane) - French community user</li>
+
+    <li>Mehdi Hadjard ( neggwada) - French Users community</li>
+    <li>Michael Scherer (misc) - Mandriva contributor (build system, Python, packaging)</li>
+    <li>Nicolas Vigier (boklm) - former Mandriva employee (was working on build system, packaging, mandriva research projects)</li>
+    <li>Olav Dahlum (olorin_) - Mandriva contributor (translation)</li>
+    <li>Olivier Blin (blino) - former Mandriva employee (was Drakxtools, installer, Perl, boot, ...)</li>
+    <li>Olivier Mejean (goom) - French users community</li>
+
+    <li>Olivier Thauvin (Nanar) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, mirrors)</li>
+    <li>Panos Christeas (xrg)</li>
+    <li>Pascal Vilarem (maat) - French users community</li>
+    <li>Peto� �afar�k - Mandriva contributor (packaging, Czech translation)</li>
+    <li>Philippe Makowski - Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+    <li>R�my Clouard (shikamaru) - Mandriva contributor (packaging)</li>
+
+    <li>Romain d'Alverny (rda) - former Mandriva employee (was information system manager)</li>
+    <li>Samuel Verschelde (Stormi) - Mandriva contributor (some packaging and testing)</li>
+    <li>Sandro Cazzaniga (kharec) - Mandriva Contributor (packaging, wiki, bugreport/testing)</li>
+    <li>S�verine Wiltgen (sevalienor) - former Mandriva employee (was professional support, server stack)</li>
+    <li>SinnerBOFH (BlogDrake founder, member of escomposlinux.org)</li>
+    <li>Stephane Flavigny (STEF74) - Mandriva contributor (bug triage team)</li>
+
+    <li>Sylvie TERJAN (erinmargault) - former Mandriva employee and contributor</li>
+    <li>Thierry Vignaud (tv) - Former Mandriva employee and contributor (Drakxtools, installer, Perl, packaging)</li>
+    <li>Thomas Backlund (tmb) - Mandriva contributor (kernel hacker, translations)</li>
+    <li>Tom�s Deltell (Annubis) - BlogDrake admin and packager</li>
+    <li>Tomas Kindl (supp) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, bug triage team, mirror provider for CZ)</li>
+    <li>Thomas Lottmann (Skiper) - French Users community</li>
+
+    <li>Tomasz Pawel Gajc (_TPG) - Mandriva contributor (packaging, XFCE maintainer)</li>
+    <li>Valent�n Ferrer (vfmBOFH) - blogdrake admin, maverick collaborator</li>
+    <li>Wilson R. Fros (nosXw) - Blogdrake Packager</li>
+    <li>Wolfgang Bornath (wobo) - German users community</li>
+</ul>            <p>За друге сараднике: Ако желите да ваше име буде додато на листу и желите да радите на форку јавите нам се на чету или мејлом</p>
+            </div>
+
+            <div class="para">
+                <h2>Следеће.</h2>
+                <p>Ми смо ових дана у потрази за</p>
+                <ul>
+                    <li>опремом за хостовање кода,дистрибиције и сервера;</li>
+                    <li>програмерима, сарадницима, преводиоцима, тестерима који желе да допринесу развојем Магеиа Линукс-а;</li>
+                    <li>саветницима за организацију и планирање.</li>
+
+                </ul>
+                <p>Ваша помоћ и подршка ће Нам  бити добродошла.</p>
+            </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+                    <div class="para" id="contact">
+                    <h2>Како да нас контактирате.</h2>
+
+                     <h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Путем Mejling listе</a></h3>
+
+                     <h3>Чета (Фринод мрежа)</h3>
+                     <ul>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (главни канал,Енглески),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (канал за програмере, Енглески),</li>
+
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (канал за КДЕ ),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Португалски,Бразил),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Фински),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (Француски),</li>
+
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Шпански),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Италијански),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> Норвешки),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Пољски),</li>
+
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Руски),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (Велика Британија,Енглески)</li>
+</ul>
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+
+                    <div class="para">
+                    <iframe src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/likebox.php?href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Fpages%2FMageia%2F157247240967735&amp;width=320&amp;connections=10&amp;stream=false&amp;header=false&amp;height=255" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" style="border:none; overflow:hidden; width:320px; height:255px;" allowTransparency="true"></iframe>
+                    <p>Можете нас пратити <a href="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">преко Твитера</a>
+                        или на <a href="http://identi.ca/mageia">identi.ca</a>.</p>
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div 
+                <p>*Реч форк није преведена на српски јер би било подуже објашњење а остали текст на српском није идентичан са енглеском верзијом сајта али смисао није изгубљен уколико имате бољу формулацију реченица пошаљите на miodragz@linuxo.org</p>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+    On 24/09/10 17:09, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Malcer Quaid <a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">&lt;malcer@gmx.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre>Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+
+
+If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+
+----- Mensaje original -----
+
+De: Mihai Dobrescu
+
+Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+
+Para: Mageia general discussions
+
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+
+
+On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">&lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;</a>wrote:
+
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre>2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">&lt;malcer@gmx.com&gt;</a>
+
+ I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</pre>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <pre><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer
+
+<a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a>
+
+
+
+</pre>
+          </blockquote>
+          <pre>i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .
+
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
+
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre>As I have said here:
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+...6 hours ago...
+
+This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...
+
+Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+matter I did not see it ever.
+I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+level of quality.
+
+Regards, Mike.
+
+
+
+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer
+
+<a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a>
+
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre>I think this is the original designer&#39;s privilege...
+
+</pre>
+      <pre><fieldset></fieldset>
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br></div></div>
+    Mint? Looks more like Mozilla.<br>
+    <br>
+    -Olav.<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>Indeed.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Olav Dahlum <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:odahlum@gmail.com">odahlum@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><div></div><div class="h5">
+    On 24/09/10 17:09, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Malcer Quaid <a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">&lt;malcer@gmx.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre>Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+
+
+If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+
+----- Mensaje original -----
+
+De: Mihai Dobrescu
+
+Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+
+Para: Mageia general discussions
+
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+
+
+On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">&lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;</a>wrote:
+
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite">
+          <pre>2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">&lt;malcer@gmx.com&gt;</a>
+
+ I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</pre>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <pre><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer
+
+<a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a>
+
+
+
+</pre>
+          </blockquote>
+          <pre>i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .
+
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
+
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre>As I have said here:
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+...6 hours ago...
+
+This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...
+
+Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+matter I did not see it ever.
+I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+level of quality.
+
+Regards, Mike.
+
+
+
+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer
+
+<a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a>
+
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a>
+
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre>I think this is the original designer&#39;s privilege...
+
+</pre>
+      <pre><fieldset></fieldset>
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+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br></div></div>
+    Mint? Looks more like Mozilla.<br>
+    <br>
+    -Olav.<br>
+  </div>
+
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br></blockquote></div><br>Indeed.<br>
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+I&#39;d like to point out two things:<br><br>1) when we speak about the team which take the decisions about mageia, we suppose that is some names that we know but we (i) are not sure who is exactly,<br>They can be listed in a group in wiki<br>
+<br>2)  for many elements as logo, colors, names etc, there will be a poll (we have already the cooker&#39;s name poll), i think that some times the polls are not able to guide the distribution to its goal, and the decisions must be taken from the board team. <br>
+<br>My 2 cents<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+I&#39;d like to point out two things:<br><br>1) when we speak about the team which take the decisions about mageia, we suppose that is some names that we know but we (i) are not sure who is exactly,<br>They can be listed in a group in wiki<br>
+<br>2)  for many elements as logo, colors, names etc, there will be a poll (we have already the cooker&#39;s name poll), i think that some times the polls are not able to guide the distribution to its goal, and the decisions must be taken from the board team. <br>
+<br>My 2 cents<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 22:16, Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I completely agree, communities are great, but i think these stuff should be<br>
+&gt; advisable only, and we should get board members who can decide on these<br>
+&gt; things, because they are knowledgable in their own area.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t think the community should be disregarded by the board, but sometimes<br>
+&gt; the board should decide differently by the community because the community<br>
+&gt; doesn&#39;t know everything.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Then it should know.<br>
+<br>
+I know this may sound like an innocent wish, but I mean it.<br>
+<br>
+The &quot;board&quot; will have to motivate every decision/move it takes -<br>
+especially if this very decision was to go against most<br>
+recommandations/wishes from the community (he, who knows, it may<br>
+happen).<br>
+<br>
+We expect Mageia, not to disclose, but to publish all information,<br>
+data, metrics about the project, developement, tasks, maybe about<br>
+product usage and about decisions. Or at least, not to keep them<br>
+hidden on purpose.<br>
+<br>
+That will require to identify what useful metrics are and to<br>
+understand them for what they&#39;re worth (and not). That will require<br>
+some education on what metrics we can collect (think about privacy and<br>
+right here), how we collect them, how we use and learn from these.<br>
+<br>
+Not that it will be easy or without mistake at first. But that&#39;s what<br>
+we expect as well.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Romain<br>
+</font><div><div></div><br></div></blockquote></div>Great.<br>I am interested in new technical means by which heterogeneous (in background and knowledge) groups can meaninfully communicate.<br>In general, but Mageia seems to me to be in a good position to innovate in that direction.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 22:16, Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I completely agree, communities are great, but i think these stuff should be<br>
+&gt; advisable only, and we should get board members who can decide on these<br>
+&gt; things, because they are knowledgable in their own area.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t think the community should be disregarded by the board, but sometimes<br>
+&gt; the board should decide differently by the community because the community<br>
+&gt; doesn&#39;t know everything.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Then it should know.<br>
+<br>
+I know this may sound like an innocent wish, but I mean it.<br>
+<br>
+The &quot;board&quot; will have to motivate every decision/move it takes -<br>
+especially if this very decision was to go against most<br>
+recommandations/wishes from the community (he, who knows, it may<br>
+happen).<br>
+<br>
+We expect Mageia, not to disclose, but to publish all information,<br>
+data, metrics about the project, developement, tasks, maybe about<br>
+product usage and about decisions. Or at least, not to keep them<br>
+hidden on purpose.<br>
+<br>
+That will require to identify what useful metrics are and to<br>
+understand them for what they&#39;re worth (and not). That will require<br>
+some education on what metrics we can collect (think about privacy and<br>
+right here), how we collect them, how we use and learn from these.<br>
+<br>
+Not that it will be easy or without mistake at first. But that&#39;s what<br>
+we expect as well.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Romain<br>
+</font><div><div></div><br></div></blockquote></div>Great.<br>I am interested in new technical means by which heterogeneous (in background and knowledge) groups can meaninfully communicate.<br>In general, but Mageia seems to me to be in a good position to innovate in that direction.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+We alredy found a marketing guy.<br>
+<br>
+Maybe we need to find a Feng Shui guy LOL LOL.<br>
+<br>
+IMHO the problem is not the color. The thing is that if we ship a<br>
+Gnome or a KDE just as they are released by Gnome / KDE, obviously<br>
+Mageia will look like almost any Gnome / KDE distro. But if we can<br>
+give them the &quot;magic touch&quot; (LOL) then you&#39;ll be different.<br>
+<br>
+Hate me, ok. But when I see Ubuntu&#39;s interface, I know it&#39;s Gnome. But<br>
+it doesn&#39;t look like other Gnome&#39;s. See my point?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>+1<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+We alredy found a marketing guy.<br>
+<br>
+Maybe we need to find a Feng Shui guy LOL LOL.<br>
+<br>
+IMHO the problem is not the color. The thing is that if we ship a<br>
+Gnome or a KDE just as they are released by Gnome / KDE, obviously<br>
+Mageia will look like almost any Gnome / KDE distro. But if we can<br>
+give them the &quot;magic touch&quot; (LOL) then you&#39;ll be different.<br>
+<br>
+Hate me, ok. But when I see Ubuntu&#39;s interface, I know it&#39;s Gnome. But<br>
+it doesn&#39;t look like other Gnome&#39;s. See my point?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>+1<br>
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+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Alăturați-vă nouă!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, liste de difiziune</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Presă</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donații</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/" class="sel">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
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+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ro/">Română</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– o nouă distribuție Linux</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Campanie de recoltare de fonduri</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+			    Anunțul de sîmbătă, de înființare a <a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> a suscitat un număr mare de răspunsuri pozitive, care s-a tradus prin numărul mare de oferte de ajutor.<br><br>
+
+			    La ora actuală nu dispunem încă de structură,
+ asociația nonguvernamentală și nonprofit Mageia, pentru gestionare a distribuției,
+ este în curs de înființare.<br><br>
+
+			    Totuși, pentru a face față euforiei actuale și a pune în 
+funcțiune cît mai repede infrastructura tehnică necesară pentru 
+pornirea și realizarea distribuției, am obținut acordul Asociației 
+Utilizatorilor Francofoni de Mandriva Linux (AUFML - 
+<a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>) ca aceasta să se ocupe momentan de strîngerea fondurilor pentru a le distribui în integralitate proiectului Mageia.<br><br>
+			    
+			    Într-adevăr, statutul acestei asociații permite prin 
+articolul 3-2-3 „[asociația are ca obiectiv] apărarea și promovarea 
+programelor libere în general prin sprijinul material, intelectual 
+sau financiar în funcție de resursele asociației, a proiectelor libere, 
+a tuturor grupărilor de ordin public sau privat, sau a societăților ce 
+promovează programele libere sau ale societății Mandriva”.<br><br>
+
+			    Această situație este temporară, din moment ce se va crea asociația 
+care va gestiona Mageia, cît și un cont bancar, vom fi în măsură să primim 
+direct donațiile voastre.<br><br> 
+
+			    AUFML se angajează să ofere o transparență totală asupra donațiilor primite.<br><br>
+
+			    La ce vor folosi donațiile? Pentru a lansa proiectul Mageia vom 
+avea nevoie de servere, de găzduire pentru servere, de înregistrare a mărcii
+Mageia și a numelor de domeniu asociate, de creare a unei asociații, etc. 
+Vom publica un raport lunar despre utilizarea acestor donații. Sîntem de părere 
+că este crucială publicarea situației contabile.<br><br> 
+
+          Mulțumită donațiilor voastre am strîns suma de: <font size="6">1652.48 € !</font> Mulţumim tuturor pentru ajutor!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donaţi prin transfer bancar.</h2>
+
+			    Puteți dona prin transfer bancar. <strong>Atenție: nu uitați să menţionați 
+că transferul se referă la Mageia. Altfel AUFML nu va putea face legătura între: 
+Mageia - numele vostru - adresa voastră de poștă electronică</strong><br><br>
+
+			    Puteți efectua transferul bancar utilizînd următoarele coordonate bancare:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>Beneficiar:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Cont bancar:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    BIC: PSSTFRPPCLE<br><br>
+
+				    IBAN: FR24 2004 1010 0306 7049 6G02 460<br><br>
+
+				    RIB: 20041 01003 0670496G024 60</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Sumă:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Treceți aici suma voastră de XXX €)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mențiune:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Precizați aici informații despre donație: Mageia - Numele Vostru - adresa voastră de poștă electronică<br>
+			    Dacă nu doriți ca numele vostru să apară în lista publică a donatorilor, nu uitați să treceți cuvîntul cheie „anonymous” la sfîrșit)
+
+		            </div><br><br>
+
+
+			    <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Faceți clic aici pentru descărcarea coordonatelor bancare cmplete ale AUFML [jpg]</a>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donație prin cec.</h2>
+
+			    Puteți face o donație și prin cec (Dacă dispuneți de un cont bancar 
+francez, altfel utilizați transferul bancar... va fi mai bine pentru toată 
+lumea)<br><br>
+
+			    Trimiteți cecul la:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Nu uitați să precizați pe cec că suma este destinată proiectului Mageia pentru ca AUFML să facă bine legătura!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Nu uitați să precizați dacă nu doriți să apăreți în lista publică a donatorilor.)
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donați utilizînd Paypal</h2>
+			    Puteți dona prin Paypal... nu trebuie decît să apăsați pe butonul de nai jos și să completați formularul respectiv:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="8VCKHHJ8ZFC2U" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20nouvelle%20distribution%20Linux%20-_files/btn_donateCC_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - la solution de paiement en ligne la plus simple et la plus sécurisée !" border="0" type="image">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20nouvelle%20distribution%20Linux%20-_files/pixel.gif" border="0" height="1" width="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Atenție: Paypal reține un comision pentru fiecare donație: 
+aceasta explică diferența între suma pe care o donați și suma 
+pe care noi o primim.) 
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Pentru a ne contacta.</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Listele de difuziune</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (rețeaua freenode)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donatori</h2>
+				(Aveți răbdare, lista este actualizată manual în momentul de față)<br><br>
+								1 : Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+								2 : Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+								3 : Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+								4 : Frédéric Hugot<br>
+								5 : Jonathan Bayle<br>
+								6 : Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+								7 : HTJ Simons<br>
+								8 : François Jaouen<br>
+								9 : Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+								10 : Daniel Le Berre<br>
+								11 : Richard Neill<br>
+								12 : Peter Trussel<br>
+								13 : Marc Pare<br>
+								14 : Dave Postles<br>
+								15 : Basilio Rosa<br>
+								16 : George Mitchell<br>
+								17 : Louis Ramel<br>
+								18 : Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+								19 : Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+								20 : Micheal Golden<br>
+								21 : Jean Peyratout<br>
+								22 : Philippe Seraphin<br>
+								23 : Bernard Siaud<br>
+								24 : Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+								25 : Céline Harrand<br>
+								26 : Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+								27 : Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+								28 : Margot Lawrence<br>
+								29 : Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+								30 : Steven Hess<br>
+								31 : Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+								32 : Thibaut François<br>
+								33 : Bernd Deinzer<br>
+								34 : Roland Gillard<br>
+								35 : Dušan Pavlík<br>
+								36 : Enrico Gsell<br>
+								37 : Ernst Pini<br>
+								38 : Dick Gevers<br>
+								39 : Gonzalo Igartua<br>
+								40 : Alexander Andreyev<br>
+								41 : Frank Eisele<br>
+								42 : Björn Olsson<br>
+								43 : Lanfranco Gandolfo<br>
+								44 : Gerardo Bueno Jiménez<br>
+								45 : Murat Demir<br>
+								46 : Николай Путроенок ( nick7rus )<br>
+								47 : Alfred Lang<br>
+				                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
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+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Alăturați-vă nouă!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, liste de difiziune</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Presă</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donații</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/" class="sel">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ro/">Română</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– o nouă distribuție Linux</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Campanie de recoltare de fonduri</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+			    Anunțul de sîmbătă, de înființare a <a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> a suscitat un număr mare de răspunsuri pozitive, care s-a tradus prin numărul mare de oferte de ajutor.<br><br>
+
+			    La ora actuală nu dispunem încă de structură,
+ asociația nonguvernamentală și nonprofit Mageia, pentru gestionare a distribuției,
+ este în curs de înființare.<br><br>
+
+			    Totuși, pentru a face față euforiei actuale și a pune în 
+funcțiune cît mai repede infrastructura tehnică necesară pentru 
+pornirea și realizarea distribuției, am obținut acordul Asociației 
+Utilizatorilor Francofoni de Mandriva Linux (AUFML - 
+<a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>) ca aceasta să se ocupe momentan de strîngerea fondurilor pentru a le distribui în integralitate proiectului Mageia.<br><br>
+			    
+			    Într-adevăr, statutul acestei asociații permite prin 
+articolul 3-2-3 „[asociația are ca obiectiv] apărarea și promovarea 
+programelor libere în general prin sprijinul material, intelectual 
+sau financiar în funcție de resursele asociației, a proiectelor libere, 
+a tuturor grupărilor de ordin public sau privat, sau a societăților ce 
+promovează programele libere sau ale societății Mandriva”.<br><br>
+
+			    Această situație este temporară, din moment ce se va crea asociația 
+care va gestiona Mageia, cît și un cont bancar, vom fi în măsură să primim 
+direct donațiile voastre.<br><br> 
+
+			    AUFML se angajează să ofere o transparență totală asupra donațiilor primite.<br><br>
+
+			    La ce vor folosi donațiile? Pentru a lansa proiectul Mageia vom 
+avea nevoie de servere, de găzduire pentru servere, de înregistrare a mărcii
+Mageia și a numelor de domeniu asociate, de creare a unei asociații, etc. 
+Vom publica un raport lunar despre utilizarea acestor donații. Sîntem de părere 
+că este crucială publicarea situației contabile.<br><br> 
+
+          Mulțumită donațiilor voastre am strîns suma de: <font size="6">1652.48 € !</font> Mulţumim tuturor pentru ajutor!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donaţi prin transfer bancar.</h2>
+
+			    Puteți dona prin transfer bancar. <strong>Atenție: nu uitați să menţionați 
+că transferul se referă la Mageia. Altfel AUFML nu va putea face legătura între: 
+Mageia - numele vostru - adresa voastră de poștă electronică</strong><br><br>
+
+			    Puteți efectua transferul bancar utilizînd următoarele coordonate bancare:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>Beneficiar:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Cont bancar:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    BIC: PSSTFRPPCLE<br><br>
+
+				    IBAN: FR24 2004 1010 0306 7049 6G02 460<br><br>
+
+				    RIB: 20041 01003 0670496G024 60</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Sumă:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Treceți aici suma voastră de XXX €)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mențiune:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Precizați aici informații despre donație: Mageia - Numele Vostru - adresa voastră de poștă electronică<br>
+			    Dacă nu doriți ca numele vostru să apară în lista publică a donatorilor, nu uitați să treceți cuvîntul cheie „anonymous” la sfîrșit)
+
+		            </div><br><br>
+
+
+			    <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Faceți clic aici pentru descărcarea coordonatelor bancare cmplete ale AUFML [jpg]</a>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donație prin cec.</h2>
+
+			    Puteți face o donație și prin cec (Dacă dispuneți de un cont bancar 
+francez, altfel utilizați transferul bancar... va fi mai bine pentru toată 
+lumea)<br><br>
+
+			    Trimiteți cecul la:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Nu uitați să precizați pe cec că suma este destinată proiectului Mageia pentru ca AUFML să facă bine legătura!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Nu uitați să precizați dacă nu doriți să apăreți în lista publică a donatorilor.)
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donați utilizînd Paypal</h2>
+			    Puteți dona prin Paypal... nu trebuie decît să apăsați pe butonul de nai jos și să completați formularul respectiv:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="8VCKHHJ8ZFC2U" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20nouvelle%20distribution%20Linux%20-_files/btn_donateCC_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - la solution de paiement en ligne la plus simple et la plus sécurisée !" border="0" type="image">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20nouvelle%20distribution%20Linux%20-_files/pixel.gif" border="0" height="1" width="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Atenție: Paypal reține un comision pentru fiecare donație: 
+aceasta explică diferența între suma pe care o donați și suma 
+pe care noi o primim.) 
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Pentru a ne contacta.</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Listele de difuziune</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (rețeaua freenode)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donatori</h2>
+				(Aveți răbdare, lista este actualizată manual în momentul de față)<br><br>
+								1 : Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+								2 : Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+								3 : Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+								4 : Frédéric Hugot<br>
+								5 : Jonathan Bayle<br>
+								6 : Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+								7 : HTJ Simons<br>
+								8 : François Jaouen<br>
+								9 : Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+								10 : Daniel Le Berre<br>
+								11 : Richard Neill<br>
+								12 : Peter Trussel<br>
+								13 : Marc Pare<br>
+								14 : Dave Postles<br>
+								15 : Basilio Rosa<br>
+								16 : George Mitchell<br>
+								17 : Louis Ramel<br>
+								18 : Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+								19 : Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+								20 : Micheal Golden<br>
+								21 : Jean Peyratout<br>
+								22 : Philippe Seraphin<br>
+								23 : Bernard Siaud<br>
+								24 : Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+								25 : Céline Harrand<br>
+								26 : Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+								27 : Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+								28 : Margot Lawrence<br>
+								29 : Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+								30 : Steven Hess<br>
+								31 : Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+								32 : Thibaut François<br>
+								33 : Bernd Deinzer<br>
+								34 : Roland Gillard<br>
+								35 : Dušan Pavlík<br>
+								36 : Enrico Gsell<br>
+								37 : Ernst Pini<br>
+								38 : Dick Gevers<br>
+								39 : Gonzalo Igartua<br>
+								40 : Alexander Andreyev<br>
+								41 : Frank Eisele<br>
+								42 : Björn Olsson<br>
+								43 : Lanfranco Gandolfo<br>
+								44 : Gerardo Bueno Jiménez<br>
+								45 : Murat Demir<br>
+								46 : Николай Путроенок ( nick7rus )<br>
+								47 : Alfred Lang<br>
+				                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
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+<div>I took a look to the logos again (and again) i think this is very nice:<br></div><div><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art</a></div>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div>I took a look to the logos again (and again) i think this is very nice:<br></div><div><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art</a></div>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie-campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project. 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML volledige
+transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie.<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, hebben we servers nodig, alsmede hosting,
+registratie van de Mageia merk- en domeinnamen, alsmede registratie van de
+organisatie enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en
+uitgegeven gelden worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van
+cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving mee te geven, zodat de AUFML
+de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project, gebruik het volgende
+formaat in de omschrijving: Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres</strong><br><br>
+			   Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor Uw
+bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>In favor of/Ten name van:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van Uw donatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mention/Omschrijving:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier de donatie-omschrijving in: Mageia -
+Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe)
+
+			   </div><br><br>
+
+			    <a
+href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Klik hier
+om de volledige AUFML Bankidentiteitsgegevens te downloaden [jpg]</a><br>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via cheque</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur Uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving
+mee te geven, zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia
+project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de
+knop:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerk)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br>
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br>
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br>
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br>
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br>
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br>
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br>
+				  				33: Bernd Deinzer<br>
+				  				34: Roland Gillard<br>
+				  				35: Dušan Pavlík<br>
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 23/09/2010 20:00, isadora a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cannot get enough of translating.<br>
+&gt; The end-result now for the Dutch translation.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.<br>
+&gt; Should have checked before.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Thanks a lont for your work<br>
+<br>
+your translation is online...<br>
+<br>
+a last check would be welcome<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Cheers<br>
+<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Ma�t,<br><br>Checked the site and found some minor issues.<br>Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.<br><br>Isadora<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML>
+<html dir="ltr" lang="en"><head>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+
+
+
+    <meta charset="utf-8">
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+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://donate.mageia.org/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/" class="sel">English</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
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+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– Een nieuwe Linux
+Distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donatie-campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+De aankondiging op zaterdag van de lancering van <a
+href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft een groot aantal positieve reacties
+opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om
+te helpen.
+			    Op dit moment hebben we nog niet de structuur, om
+een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie, te beheren.<br><br> 
+			    Echter, om de gestelde verwachtingen waar te maken,
+en om de infrastructuur, nodig voor de ontwikkeling, zo snel mogelijk te
+realiseren, hebben we afgesproken dat de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association
+(AUFML - <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>), voorlopig
+zorg zal dragen voor het ontvangen van donaties en deze volledig over zal dragen
+aan het Mageia project. 
+			    
+			    De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in
+deze mogelijkheid <<[De doelen van de organisatie zijn in het bijzonder] de
+bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen, via materiaal,
+intellectuele en financiële ondersteuning in het kader van bronnen van de
+organisatie voor vrije projecten, aan iedere groep -privaat of publiek- voor de
+promotie van vrije software of Mandriva »<br><br>
+			    Deze situatie is maar tijdelijk. Zodra de
+Mageia-organisatie is opgericht en een bankrekening bezit, kunnen we de giften
+rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    Van haar kant belooft de AUFML volledige
+transparantie omtrent elke ontvangen donatie.<br><br>
+
+			    Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om te kunnen
+beginnen aan het Mageia project, hebben we servers nodig, alsmede hosting,
+registratie van de Mageia merk- en domeinnamen, alsmede registratie van de
+organisatie enz. Er zal maandelijks een rapportage over de ontvangen en
+uitgegeven gelden worden uitgebracht. Wij vinden publieke verantwoording van
+cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€1096.33 
+!</font> ontvangen. Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving mee te geven, zodat de AUFML
+de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project, gebruik het volgende
+formaat in de omschrijving: Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres</strong><br><br>
+			   Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor Uw
+bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+			    <u>In favor of/Ten name van:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br>
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br>
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br>
+				    FRANCE</strong><br><br>
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br><br>
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br>
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br><br>
+
+				    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van Uw donatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+			    <u>Mention/Omschrijving:</u><br><br>
+
+			    (Vul hier de donatie-omschrijving in: Mageia -
+Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem aan de omschrijving toe)
+
+			   </div><br><br>
+
+			    <a
+href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Klik hier
+om de volledige AUFML Bankidentiteitsgegevens te downloaden [jpg]</a><br>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>Donatie via cheque</h2>
+
+			    U kunt Uw donatie per cheque overmaken (indien u
+een Franse bankrekening hebt, indien u woonachtig bent in de Eurozone, dan
+liever een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    Stuur Uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    <strong>
+				    AUFML<br>
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br>
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br>
+				    FRANCE<br>
+			    </strong>
+			    
+			    <br>
+
+			    <strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een omschrijving
+mee te geven, zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia
+project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van donateurs
+wilt worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Doneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    U kunt doneren via PayPal ... klik op de
+knop:<br><br>
+			    <div align="center">
+				    <form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">					    <input name="cmd" value="_s-xclick" type="hidden">					    <input name="hosted_button_id" value="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC" type="hidden">					    <input src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/btn_donate_LG.gif" name="submit" alt="PayPal - The safer, easier way to pay online!" type="image" border="0">					    <img alt="" src="Mageia%20-%20A%20New%20Linux%20Distribution%20-_files/pixel.gif" width="1" border="0" height="1">
+				    </form>
+			    </div>
+
+			    <br><br>
+			    (Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie van
+elke donatie ... dat verklaart het verschil van wat U doneert en wat wij
+ontvangen).
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kunt U met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
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+			<div class="para"><h2>Donateurs</h2>
+				(Geduld: de lijst van donateurs wordt handmatig
+bijgewerk)<br><br>
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br>
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br>
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br>
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br>
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br>
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br>
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br>
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br>
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br>
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br>
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br>
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br>
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br>
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br>
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br>
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br>
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br>
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br>
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br>
+				  				20: Micheal Golden<br>
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br>
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br>
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br>
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br>
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 23/09/2010 20:00, isadora a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Ma�t,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cannot get enough of translating.<br>
+&gt; The end-result now for the Dutch translation.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.<br>
+&gt; Should have checked before.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Thanks a lont for your work<br>
+<br>
+your translation is online...<br>
+<br>
+a last check would be welcome<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Cheers<br>
+<br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Ma�t,<br><br>Checked the site and found some minor issues.<br>Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.<br><br>Isadora<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 21:34, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Op vrijdag 24 september 2010 19:50:37 schreef Ma�t:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Le 24/09/2010 19:47, Frederic Janssens a �crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora &lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; � � Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>
+&gt; &gt; � � I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>
+&gt; &gt; � � Would appreciate your input.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; � � Isadora<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>
+&gt; &gt; She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>
+&gt; &gt; I will transmit it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cool news.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks to you three :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>If there&#39;s a problem, i can always have a look, to make sure it&#39;s not &quot;too<br>
+dutch&quot; and still suitable for nl_BE.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div>�</div></div>The native speaker, and myself, are in fact belgians.<br>But double checking is always good.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 21:34, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Op vrijdag 24 september 2010 19:50:37 schreef Ma�t:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Le 24/09/2010 19:47, Frederic Janssens a �crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora &lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; � � Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>
+&gt; &gt; � � I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>
+&gt; &gt; � � Would appreciate your input.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; � � Isadora<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>
+&gt; &gt; She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>
+&gt; &gt; I will transmit it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cool news.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks to you three :)<br>
+<br>
+</div>If there&#39;s a problem, i can always have a look, to make sure it&#39;s not &quot;too<br>
+dutch&quot; and still suitable for nl_BE.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote><div>�</div></div>The native speaker, and myself, are in fact belgians.<br>But double checking is always good.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/24 Marianne Lombard &lt;<a href="mailto:marianne@tuxette.fr">marianne@tuxette.fr</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like the<br>
+&gt; Red-Cross and others). But it&#39;s not the case for the AUFML.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Interet general is easier to achieve, as explained on<br>
+<a href="http://www.fsffrance.org/donations/howto.fr.html" target="_blank">http://www.fsffrance.org/donations/howto.fr.html</a><br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></div></blockquote><div>�</div></div>The clause<br><br><b>L&#39;organisme ne concurrence pas une entreprise</b><br clear="all">
+<br>would be difficult, unless Mandriva SA folds completely .<br><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Pascal Terjan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pterjan@gmail.com">pterjan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/24 Marianne Lombard &lt;<a href="mailto:marianne@tuxette.fr">marianne@tuxette.fr</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like the<br>
+&gt; Red-Cross and others). But it&#39;s not the case for the AUFML.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Interet general is easier to achieve, as explained on<br>
+<a href="http://www.fsffrance.org/donations/howto.fr.html" target="_blank">http://www.fsffrance.org/donations/howto.fr.html</a><br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></div></blockquote><div>�</div></div>The clause<br><br><b>L&#39;organisme ne concurrence pas une entreprise</b><br clear="all">
+<br>would be difficult, unless Mandriva SA folds completely .<br><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com" target="_blank">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----- Mensaje original -----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Para: Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I have said<br>
+&gt; here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+&gt; ...6 hours ago...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br>
+&gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br>
+&gt; Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am<br>
+&gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create<br>
+&gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no<br>
+&gt; matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+&gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain<br>
+&gt; level of quality.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards, Mike.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)<br>
+<br>
+So far, this one is my favorite:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br>
+<br>
+Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.  :o)<br>
+<div><div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim semi-lune. Don&#39;t know.<br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
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+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br></blockquote></div><br>i like a lot this one:<br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/</a><br>
+<br>it gives many emotions and a enviroment of &quot;mageia&quot;<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com" target="_blank">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----- Mensaje original -----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Para: Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I have said<br>
+&gt; here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+&gt; ...6 hours ago...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br>
+&gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br>
+&gt; Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am<br>
+&gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create<br>
+&gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no<br>
+&gt; matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+&gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain<br>
+&gt; level of quality.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards, Mike.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)<br>
+<br>
+So far, this one is my favorite:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br>
+<br>
+Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.  :o)<br>
+<div><div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim semi-lune. Don&#39;t know.<br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>i like a lot this one:<br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/</a><br>
+<br>it gives many emotions and a enviroment of &quot;mageia&quot;<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+Hello<div><br></div><div>Aufml serve Mageia to provide legal plateform for donation.</div><div>Mageia website explain how to.</div><div>But on Aufml website there is no text to explain on first page.</div><div>--&gt; this could cause doubts for people not knowing exactly what aufml, maybe ?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>So here is a text I would like to propose to the aufml directors to be revised, &quot;spirit of what a simple explanation could be on Aufml front page website&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry, this is a google translation but better than french on english ml :)</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>##########</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="">Hello<br><br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Our association is actually still Francophone Association of Users of Mandriva Linux.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Nevertheless, we, members of the association decision, we are committed to the project Mageia. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Currently discussions are underway to determine if the association itself must be revised law. </span><span title="">Pending decisions and actions following from it, however, we decided collegially to support the effort of the project Mageia.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The association is closer today AUFML MAGEIA project, and this at any time without denying the personal choice of each member or judgmental about any project or policy.</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The project will start MAGEIA a colossal task: to ensure the birth of a new distribution starting from the fork of Mandriva Linux 2010.1. </span><span title="">The nascent community around Mageia has many needs. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Priority is given to aujoud&#39;hui the establishment of infrastructure. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">To ensure its complete independence from any commercial, the project needs to collect donations, our donations.<br>
+<br></span><span title="">To meet this need, the urgent today for the excitement generated by the project, we have decided AUFML Association to offer the project MAGEIA our legal platform (association law 1901 in France). </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">So we agreed, in accordance with the project Mageia, offer everyone the opportunity to use us as a temporary platform can reccueillir gifts, and monitoring, both for us and for the project and for </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">donors.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We want the transition to apologize for our website, which is not, you can see, initially planned for it. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">But simply to ensure communication between our members.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We are all convinced of the importance of an independent project for a distribution of the quality of that which was originally developed by people from other Edge IT and community. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">A distribution of quality, well integrated, with better hardware support, allowing freedom to the user&#39;s desktop and its applications, and allowing flexibility for administrators. </span><span title="">We want this for us, for you.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Therefore the association AUFML agrees to provide service to all the possibilities to collect and manage the first donations. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The association is also committed to full transparency in the management, allowing everyone to be sure of the actual destination of each donation.<br>
+<br></span><span title="">We do not know now if this situation lasted, with modification of our association, or if it will be temporary, depending on the existence of legal Mageia. </span><span title="">But there is no need to wait to participate! </span><span title="">You will find all the information inherent in the project Mageia and how to participate on the project page namesake.</span></span></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">##################</span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">French peolple could find the original, for 24h, here : <a href="http://pastebin.com/vNkx6mR0">http://pastebin.com/vNkx6mR0</a></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Regards.</span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div>
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+Hello<div><br></div><div>Aufml serve Mageia to provide legal plateform for donation.</div><div>Mageia website explain how to.</div><div>But on Aufml website there is no text to explain on first page.</div><div>--&gt; this could cause doubts for people not knowing exactly what aufml, maybe ?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>So here is a text I would like to propose to the aufml directors to be revised, &quot;spirit of what a simple explanation could be on Aufml front page website&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>Sorry, this is a google translation but better than french on english ml :)</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>##########</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="">Hello<br><br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Our association is actually still Francophone Association of Users of Mandriva Linux.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Nevertheless, we, members of the association decision, we are committed to the project Mageia. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Currently discussions are underway to determine if the association itself must be revised law. </span><span title="">Pending decisions and actions following from it, however, we decided collegially to support the effort of the project Mageia.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The association is closer today AUFML MAGEIA project, and this at any time without denying the personal choice of each member or judgmental about any project or policy.</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The project will start MAGEIA a colossal task: to ensure the birth of a new distribution starting from the fork of Mandriva Linux 2010.1. </span><span title="">The nascent community around Mageia has many needs. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Priority is given to aujoud&#39;hui the establishment of infrastructure. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">To ensure its complete independence from any commercial, the project needs to collect donations, our donations.<br>
+<br></span><span title="">To meet this need, the urgent today for the excitement generated by the project, we have decided AUFML Association to offer the project MAGEIA our legal platform (association law 1901 in France). </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">So we agreed, in accordance with the project Mageia, offer everyone the opportunity to use us as a temporary platform can reccueillir gifts, and monitoring, both for us and for the project and for </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">donors.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We want the transition to apologize for our website, which is not, you can see, initially planned for it. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">But simply to ensure communication between our members.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We are all convinced of the importance of an independent project for a distribution of the quality of that which was originally developed by people from other Edge IT and community. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">A distribution of quality, well integrated, with better hardware support, allowing freedom to the user&#39;s desktop and its applications, and allowing flexibility for administrators. </span><span title="">We want this for us, for you.<br>
+<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Therefore the association AUFML agrees to provide service to all the possibilities to collect and manage the first donations. </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The association is also committed to full transparency in the management, allowing everyone to be sure of the actual destination of each donation.<br>
+<br></span><span title="">We do not know now if this situation lasted, with modification of our association, or if it will be temporary, depending on the existence of legal Mageia. </span><span title="">But there is no need to wait to participate! </span><span title="">You will find all the information inherent in the project Mageia and how to participate on the project page namesake.</span></span></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">##################</span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">French peolple could find the original, for 24h, here : <a href="http://pastebin.com/vNkx6mR0">http://pastebin.com/vNkx6mR0</a></span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;">Regards.</span></font></div>
+<div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><br></span></font></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; BTW, if there&#39;s something I hate about the current look of MDV, that&#39;s the<br>
+&gt; trash can in KDE (I don&#39;t know Gnome...). It looks like a cheap corroded<br>
+&gt; trash can to me - a tinpot. Pelase, reconsider it!<br>
+&gt; I hope I did not hurt (that much) anybody&#39;s feelings...<br>
+<br>
+</div>Trash cans have to look cheap and corroded, it&#39;s their fate.<br>
+<br>
+SCNR!<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>LOL<br>Although I love Oxygen Team work and I consider it the best theme ever (matter of taste), in this case I prefer their alternative trash can. The default trash can (the current one) looks better if it is bigger, but at my desktop size looks faded (I have it on an Ion + Atom machine of 1280x1024 pixels).<br>
+As regular user, I miss some theme tool to assign one icon for a selected theme in KDE, especially when it is an icon that changes its look depending on the state of the trash.<br><br>I would like a redesign of the default trash can, though..<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; BTW, if there&#39;s something I hate about the current look of MDV, that&#39;s the<br>
+&gt; trash can in KDE (I don&#39;t know Gnome...). It looks like a cheap corroded<br>
+&gt; trash can to me - a tinpot. Pelase, reconsider it!<br>
+&gt; I hope I did not hurt (that much) anybody&#39;s feelings...<br>
+<br>
+</div>Trash cans have to look cheap and corroded, it&#39;s their fate.<br>
+<br>
+SCNR!<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>LOL<br>Although I love Oxygen Team work and I consider it the best theme ever (matter of taste), in this case I prefer their alternative trash can. The default trash can (the current one) looks better if it is bigger, but at my desktop size looks faded (I have it on an Ion + Atom machine of 1280x1024 pixels).<br>
+As regular user, I miss some theme tool to assign one icon for a selected theme in KDE, especially when it is an icon that changes its look depending on the state of the trash.<br><br>I would like a redesign of the default trash can, though..<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br clear="all"><br>Ma�t,<br><br>Checked the site and found some minor issues.<br>Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Isadora<br>
+</font><br clear="all"></blockquote><div>�</div></div>I just read it. IMHO there are to many, and misplaced, commas.<br>I could try to fix it, but I will first try to get help from a friend who is a real native speaker.<br>
+-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br clear="all"><br>Ma�t,<br><br>Checked the site and found some minor issues.<br>Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Isadora<br>
+</font><br clear="all"></blockquote><div>�</div></div>I just read it. IMHO there are to many, and misplaced, commas.<br>I could try to fix it, but I will first try to get help from a friend who is a real native speaker.<br>
+-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br>
+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">This is a typical bike-shed discussion [1] but I would like to add that<br>
+
+when choosing a theme color, take into account psychological research<br>
+that says something about the effect of colors on performance [2].<br>
+<br>
+[1]<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson%27s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson&#39;s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect</a><br>
+<br>
+[2]<br>
+<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2007/11/does_the_color_red_really_impa.php" target="_blank">http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2007/11/does_the_color_red_really_impa.php</a><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Reinout van Schouwen<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>True.<br>Interesting studies. I am abnormal. I like red, I like to have a red living combined with black. I feel cosy there.<br>
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+<br>
+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">This is a typical bike-shed discussion [1] but I would like to add that<br>
+
+when choosing a theme color, take into account psychological research<br>
+that says something about the effect of colors on performance [2].<br>
+<br>
+[1]<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson%27s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson&#39;s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect</a><br>
+<br>
+[2]<br>
+<a href="http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2007/11/does_the_color_red_really_impa.php" target="_blank">http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2007/11/does_the_color_red_really_impa.php</a><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Reinout van Schouwen<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>True.<br>Interesting studies. I am abnormal. I like red, I like to have a red living combined with black. I feel cosy there.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt; So could people please start to consider that we are only human living<br>
+&gt; in a world with 24h a day, and therefor, that everything cannot be yet written,<br>
+&gt; and that we should rush important document like this ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Sorry... :(<br>
+<br>
+It wasn&#39;t my intention to bother with this. I really understand that<br>
+you all are working hard and you also have &quot;Real Life&quot; to live.<br>
+<br>
+My apologize.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I apologize if I kidnap the thread, but I have a real concern for the future of this distro if the core people are in financial trouble. I truly wish them to have at least decent lives as long as they provide us a great product as Mandriva is. I do not fully understand how would Mageia even exist without some consistent sponsors at least. Somebody brought the Ubuntu example, but one component of prime relevance is the Canonical sponsor behind...<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">&gt; So could people please start to consider that we are only human living<br>
+&gt; in a world with 24h a day, and therefor, that everything cannot be yet written,<br>
+&gt; and that we should rush important document like this ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Sorry... :(<br>
+<br>
+It wasn&#39;t my intention to bother with this. I really understand that<br>
+you all are working hard and you also have &quot;Real Life&quot; to live.<br>
+<br>
+My apologize.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I apologize if I kidnap the thread, but I have a real concern for the future of this distro if the core people are in financial trouble. I truly wish them to have at least decent lives as long as they provide us a great product as Mandriva is. I do not fully understand how would Mageia even exist without some consistent sponsors at least. Somebody brought the Ubuntu example, but one component of prime relevance is the Canonical sponsor behind...<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; I like blueish theme, the other features I would redesign a little as a<br>
+&gt; theme (i.e. shapes and graphic effects).<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, my favorite color (not only in IT and desktops) is blue and I<br>
+don&#39;t mind a blue theme (Fedora is also blue), but it has to be a<br>
+different blue than Mandriva, there must be a distinction.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>A magic blue, perhaps? Sorry, I can&#39;t keep myself from joking. Harmless... ;)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; I like blueish theme, the other features I would redesign a little as a<br>
+&gt; theme (i.e. shapes and graphic effects).<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, my favorite color (not only in IT and desktops) is blue and I<br>
+don&#39;t mind a blue theme (Fedora is also blue), but it has to be a<br>
+different blue than Mandriva, there must be a distinction.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>A magic blue, perhaps? Sorry, I can&#39;t keep myself from joking. Harmless... ;)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com" target="_blank">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+We alredy found a marketing guy.<br>
+<br>
+Maybe we need to find a Feng Shui guy LOL LOL.<br>
+<br>
+IMHO the problem is not the color. The thing is that if we ship a<br>
+Gnome or a KDE just as they are released by Gnome / KDE, obviously<br>
+Mageia will look like almost any Gnome / KDE distro. But if we can<br>
+give them the &quot;magic touch&quot; (LOL) then you&#39;ll be different.<br>
+<br>
+Hate me, ok. But when I see Ubuntu&#39;s interface, I know it&#39;s Gnome. But<br>
+it doesn&#39;t look like other Gnome&#39;s. See my point?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>+1<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>BTW, if there&#39;s something I hate about the current look of MDV, that&#39;s the trash can in KDE (I don&#39;t know Gnome...). It looks like a cheap corroded trash can to me - a tinpot. Pelase, reconsider it!<br>
+I hope I did not hurt (that much) anybody&#39;s feelings...<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com" target="_blank">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+We alredy found a marketing guy.<br>
+<br>
+Maybe we need to find a Feng Shui guy LOL LOL.<br>
+<br>
+IMHO the problem is not the color. The thing is that if we ship a<br>
+Gnome or a KDE just as they are released by Gnome / KDE, obviously<br>
+Mageia will look like almost any Gnome / KDE distro. But if we can<br>
+give them the &quot;magic touch&quot; (LOL) then you&#39;ll be different.<br>
+<br>
+Hate me, ok. But when I see Ubuntu&#39;s interface, I know it&#39;s Gnome. But<br>
+it doesn&#39;t look like other Gnome&#39;s. See my point?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>+1<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>BTW, if there&#39;s something I hate about the current look of MDV, that&#39;s the trash can in KDE (I don&#39;t know Gnome...). It looks like a cheap corroded trash can to me - a tinpot. Pelase, reconsider it!<br>
+I hope I did not hurt (that much) anybody&#39;s feelings...<br><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com" target="_blank">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com" target="_blank">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<div><div></div><div>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----- Mensaje original -----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Para: Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I have said<br>
+&gt; here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+
+&gt; ...6 hours ago...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br>
+&gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br>
+&gt; Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am<br>
+&gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create<br>
+&gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no<br>
+&gt; matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+&gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain<br>
+&gt; level of quality.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards, Mike.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)<br>
+<br>
+So far, this one is my favorite:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br>
+<br>
+Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.  :o)<br>
+<div><div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim semi-lune. Don&#39;t know.<br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
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+<br></blockquote></div></div></div><br>i like a lot this one:<br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/</a><br>
+
+<br>it gives many emotions and a enviroment of &quot;mageia&quot;<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>Thank you, but this is too complicated for a logo. I made it as fan art :D<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com" target="_blank">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com" target="_blank">upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<div><div></div><div>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Isn&#39;t mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ----- Mensaje original -----<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Para: Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As I have said<br>
+&gt; here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+
+&gt; ...6 hours ago...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br>
+&gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br>
+&gt; Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo (of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am<br>
+&gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create<br>
+&gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no<br>
+&gt; matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+&gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain<br>
+&gt; level of quality.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards, Mike.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
+&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)<br>
+<br>
+So far, this one is my favorite:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br>
+<br>
+Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.  :o)<br>
+<div><div></div><div>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim semi-lune. Don&#39;t know.<br>
+<br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div></div></div><br>i like a lot this one:<br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/</a><br>
+
+<br>it gives many emotions and a enviroment of &quot;mageia&quot;<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>Thank you, but this is too complicated for a logo. I made it as fan art :D<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; I would like a redesign of the default trash can, though..<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>I don&#39;t have a trash can on my desktop., Marking something and hitting<br>
+the &#39;delete&#39; key does the job for me. I&#39;d rather see the trash can<br>
+banned, it is a heritage from Windows with no real reason to exist.<br>
+<br>
+But that&#39;s only my individual preference.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Mac has it also.<br>I like it there, I know if there&#39;s something eating my space...<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; I would like a redesign of the default trash can, though..<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>I don&#39;t have a trash can on my desktop., Marking something and hitting<br>
+the &#39;delete&#39; key does the job for me. I&#39;d rather see the trash can<br>
+banned, it is a heritage from Windows with no real reason to exist.<br>
+<br>
+But that&#39;s only my individual preference.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Mac has it also.<br>I like it there, I know if there&#39;s something eating my space...<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br>Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>Would appreciate your input.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Isadora<br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div>I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>I will transmit it.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br>Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>Would appreciate your input.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Isadora<br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div>I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>I will transmit it.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:15px;">Half moon have Islamic connotations (both political and religious) in some regions and should be to avoid this.</span><br /><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Mihai Dobrescu</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 24-09-10 17:12</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: Mageia general discussions</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia</font></span></p><br /><div> <br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com" >upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0,8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"> <div> <div></div> <div class="h5">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" >malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br /> &gt; Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; ----- Mensaje original -----<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Para: Mageia general discussions<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" >dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br /> &gt; wrote:<br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" >malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt; i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .<br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt; --<br /> &gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br /> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br /> &gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" >Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br /> &gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; As I have said<br /> &gt; here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br />  &gt; ...6 hours ago...<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br /> &gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br /> &gt; Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am<br /> &gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create<br /> &gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no<br /> &gt; matter I did not see it ever.<br /> &gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain<br /> &gt; level of quality.<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Regards, Mike.<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Malcer<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; _______________________________________________<br /> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br /> &gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" >Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br /> &gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br /><br /> </div> </div>(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)<br /><br /> So far, this one is my favorite:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br /><br /> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.  :o)<br /><div> <div></div> <div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br /> Mageia-discuss mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" >Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br /><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br /> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br />It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim semi-lune. Don't know.<br /> </div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;line-height:15px;">Half moon have Islamic connotations (both political and religious) in some regions and should be to avoid this.</span><br /><br /></font></span></p><font size="2"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><blockquote class="quote" type="cite"><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">----- Mensaje original -----</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">De: Mihai Dobrescu</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Enviado: 24-09-10 17:12</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Para: Mageia general discussions</font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia</font></span></p><br /><div> <br /><br /><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James <span>&lt;<a href="mailto:upsnag2@gmail.com" >upsnag2@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br /><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0pt;margin-right:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt;margin-left:0,8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"> <div> <div></div> <div class="h5">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" >malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br /> &gt; Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; ----- Mensaje original -----<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Para: Mageia general discussions<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" >dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br /> &gt; wrote:<br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" >malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt;&gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt; i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .<br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt; --<br /> &gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br /> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br /> &gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" >Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br /> &gt;&gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br /> &gt;&gt;<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; As I have said<br /> &gt; here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br />  &gt; ...6 hours ago...<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br /> &gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.<br /> &gt; Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am<br /> &gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create<br /> &gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no<br /> &gt; matter I did not see it ever.<br /> &gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain<br /> &gt; level of quality.<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Regards, Mike.<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; Malcer<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; <a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a><br /> &gt;<br /> &gt; _______________________________________________<br /> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br /> &gt; <a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" >Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br /> &gt; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br /><br /> </div> </div>(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)<br /><br /> So far, this one is my favorite:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br /><br /> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.  :o)<br /><div> <div></div> <div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br /> Mageia-discuss mailing list<br /><a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" >Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br /><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br /> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br />It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim semi-lune. Don't know.<br /> </div></blockquote><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p><br /><br /><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p><font size="2"><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana, Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><br /></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p><font size="2"><div id="editor_signature"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></div></font><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/24 SinnerBOFH &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:31 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not<br>
+&gt; Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a<br>
+&gt; theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.<br>
+&gt; I like blueish themes.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>It&#39;s not the question of liking, it is a question of identity.<br>
+Everybody knows the green of openSUSE, the blue of Mandriva. If we<br>
+start out with a blue identity we will be regarded as still being a<br>
+kind of Mandriva Linux. Similarities and same packages in the<br>
+technical part of Mageia will obviously be there. But the standard<br>
+look should be recognizable different.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I like blueish theme, the other features I would redesign a little as a theme (i.e. shapes and graphic effects).<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/24 SinnerBOFH &lt;<a href="mailto:sinnerbofh@gmail.com">sinnerbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:31 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not<br>
+&gt; Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a<br>
+&gt; theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.<br>
+&gt; I like blueish themes.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>It&#39;s not the question of liking, it is a question of identity.<br>
+Everybody knows the green of openSUSE, the blue of Mandriva. If we<br>
+start out with a blue identity we will be regarded as still being a<br>
+kind of Mandriva Linux. Similarities and same packages in the<br>
+technical part of Mageia will obviously be there. But the standard<br>
+look should be recognizable different.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I like blueish theme, the other features I would redesign a little as a theme (i.e. shapes and graphic effects).<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Reinout van Schouwen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:reinout@gmail.com">reinout@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Op vrijdag 24-09-2010 om 14:20 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef isadora:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>
+&gt; I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>
+&gt; Would appreciate your input.<br>
+<br>
+</div>So I&#39;ve been the Dutch translation coordinator for Mandriva since I<br>
+don&#39;t know how many years, but I haven&#39;t done so much for the last<br>
+couple of releases because of a lack of time. I&#39;m very happy to see<br>
+renewed interest in Dutch-language translations for Mageia. As I said I<br>
+don&#39;t have so much time to spend on it but I&#39;ll be happy to give advice<br>
+and to proofread translations, at least. We could set up an (informal)<br>
+team.<br>
+<br>
+regards,<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Reinout van Schouwen<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Reinout,<br><br>Added you to my contact-list.<br>This was my first effort in translating.<br>It feels to me, like doing something for a much-promising distribution.<br>
+For me it is the same, as far as it concerns time.<br>Now i am at home for some long time, because of my illness.<br>This means i have some spare hours, to do something for the community, if i feel to.<br><br>Thanks for your reaction, and i like the idea of an informal team.<br>
+<br>Isadora<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Reinout van Schouwen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:reinout@gmail.com">reinout@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Op vrijdag 24-09-2010 om 14:20 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef isadora:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>
+&gt; I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>
+&gt; Would appreciate your input.<br>
+<br>
+</div>So I&#39;ve been the Dutch translation coordinator for Mandriva since I<br>
+don&#39;t know how many years, but I haven&#39;t done so much for the last<br>
+couple of releases because of a lack of time. I&#39;m very happy to see<br>
+renewed interest in Dutch-language translations for Mageia. As I said I<br>
+don&#39;t have so much time to spend on it but I&#39;ll be happy to give advice<br>
+and to proofread translations, at least. We could set up an (informal)<br>
+team.<br>
+<br>
+regards,<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Reinout van Schouwen<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Reinout,<br><br>Added you to my contact-list.<br>This was my first effort in translating.<br>It feels to me, like doing something for a much-promising distribution.<br>
+For me it is the same, as far as it concerns time.<br>Now i am at home for some long time, because of my illness.<br>This means i have some spare hours, to do something for the community, if i feel to.<br><br>Thanks for your reaction, and i like the idea of an informal team.<br>
+<br>Isadora<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Frederic Janssens <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fjanss@gmail.com">fjanss@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2010/9/24 isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com" target="_blank">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br clear="all"><br><div class="im">Ma�t,<br><br>Checked the site and found some minor issues.<br>Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Isadora<br>
+</font><br clear="all"></div></blockquote><div>�</div></div>I just read it. IMHO there are to many, and misplaced, commas.<br>I could try to fix it, but I will first try to get help from a friend who is a real native speaker.<br>
+
+-- <br><font color="#888888"><br>Frederic<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Frederic,<br><br>Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>Would appreciate your input.<br><br>Isadora<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Frederic Janssens <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fjanss@gmail.com">fjanss@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2010/9/24 isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com" target="_blank">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br clear="all"><br><div class="im">Ma�t,<br><br>Checked the site and found some minor issues.<br>Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Isadora<br>
+</font><br clear="all"></div></blockquote><div>�</div></div>I just read it. IMHO there are to many, and misplaced, commas.<br>I could try to fix it, but I will first try to get help from a friend who is a real native speaker.<br>
+
+-- <br><font color="#888888"><br>Frederic<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
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+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Frederic,<br><br>Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>Would appreciate your input.<br><br>Isadora<br>
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+ href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5010754463/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5010754463/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span><br><br><br></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:47 AM, P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Friday 24 September 2010, Miguel wrote:<br>
+&gt; In particular, he would like to<br>
+&gt; know if Mageia needs:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1) The color(s) of the distro.<br>
+</div>&gt; 2) A specific desktop theme...<br>
+<br>
+I believe that the Mandrake/-iva colors/themes have always been great. There<br>
+is no reason to steer away from them.<br>
+<br>
+Blue and green, in their &quot;nature&quot; variants, are the &quot;relax&quot; colors, the<br>
+comfortable ones to work with. Green is SuSe, Mint. So our choice of blue was<br>
+right from the start.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I do need a change in look. Mainly in KDE theme. For instance, I like the<font size="2"> oxygen-transparent theme. I know it eats many resources due to transparency..</font>. I would like something clean, simple and light. I love the Oxygen Team icons.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:47 AM, P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Friday 24 September 2010, Miguel wrote:<br>
+&gt; In particular, he would like to<br>
+&gt; know if Mageia needs:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1) The color(s) of the distro.<br>
+</div>&gt; 2) A specific desktop theme...<br>
+<br>
+I believe that the Mandrake/-iva colors/themes have always been great. There<br>
+is no reason to steer away from them.<br>
+<br>
+Blue and green, in their &quot;nature&quot; variants, are the &quot;relax&quot; colors, the<br>
+comfortable ones to work with. Green is SuSe, Mint. So our choice of blue was<br>
+right from the start.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
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+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I do need a change in look. Mainly in KDE theme. For instance, I like the<font size="2"> oxygen-transparent theme. I know it eats many resources due to transparency..</font>. I would like something clean, simple and light. I love the Oxygen Team icons.<br>
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+		durumda ve da��t�m� y&ouml;netecek kar g&uuml;tmeyen bir &ouml;rg&uuml;tlenme
+		hen&uuml;z olu�turulmaktad�r.<BR><BR>Ancak, beklentileri kar��lamak
+		ve da��t�m�n geli�tirilmesi i&ccedil;in elzem olan altyap�y� en
+		k�sa s&uuml;rede olu�turabilmek i&ccedil;in Frans�zca Konu�an
+		Mandriva Kullan�c�lar� Derne�i' nin (AUFML - <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</A>)
+		arac�l���yla bu s&uuml;rede ba��� toplanmas�na ve toplanan
+		ba���lar�n Mageia projesine aktar�lmas�na karar verdik.<BR><BR>Dernek
+		t&uuml;z&uuml;�&uuml;n&uuml;n 3-2-3 b&ouml;l&uuml;m&uuml; &laquo;
+		[Derne�in k�smi amac�] &ouml;zg&uuml;r yaz�l�m� savunmak ve genel
+		anlamda maddi kaynak sa�layarak, entellekt&uuml;el destek bularak
+		veya parasal yard�m sa�layarak &ouml;zg&uuml;r yaz�l�m
+		geli�tirilmesine veya Mandriva' n�n geli�tirilmesine destek olma &raquo;
+		ya izin vermektedir.<BR><BR>Bu durum, ge&ccedil;ici olarak kabul
+		edilmi�tir. Mageia &ouml;rg&uuml;t&uuml; olu�turudu�unda ve bir
+		banka hesab� al�nd���nda derhal do�rudan yard�m kabul edilecektir.</P>
+		<P><BR>AUFML, al�nan her ba���ta tam bir �effafl�k sa�lanmas�n�
+		taahh&uuml;t etmi�tir.<BR><BR>Bu ba���lar ne i&ccedil;in
+		kullan�lacakt�r? Mageia projesinin ba�layabilmesi i&ccedil;in
+		sunuculara, makinelere, Mageia ticari markas�n�n ve alan adlar�n�n
+		kay�t alt�na al�nmas�na, derne�in kayd�n�n yap�lmas�na v.b.
+		ihtiyac�m�z vard�r. Ayl�k olarak al�nan ba���lar ve nerelere
+		harcand��� bildirilecektir. Kamuya hesap verebilmenin gerekli
+		oldu�una inan�yoruz.<BR><BR>�u anda toplanan ba��� miktar�: <FONT SIZE=6>1633,71
+		&euro; !</FONT> Hepinize te�ekk&uuml;rler. Yard�mlar�n�z bizim i&ccedil;in
+		&ccedil;ok de�erlidir! 
+		</P>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">Banka havalesi ile ba���.</H2>
+		<P>Banka havalesi yoluyla ba���ta bulunabilirsiniz. <B>L&uuml;tfen
+		AUFML' nin toplanan ba���lar� Mageia projesine aktarabilmesi i&ccedil;in
+		havalelerinizde �u bilgileri kullanmay� unutmay�n:</B><STRONG><B>
+		Mageia - Ad�n�z ve Soyad�n�z- e-posta adresiniz</B></STRONG><B><BR></B><BR>L&uuml;tfen
+		a�a��daki banka kimlik bilgisini veriniz:</P>
+		<DIV ID="rib" DIR="LTR">
+			<P STYLE="border: 1.00pt solid #000000; padding: 0.05cm"><U>In
+			favor of:</U><BR><BR><STRONG>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES
+			MANDRIVA LINUX<BR>40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<BR>45800 ST JEAN DE
+			BRAYE<BR>FRANCE</STRONG><BR><BR><U>Bank Account:</U><BR><BR><STRONG>LA
+			BANQUE POSTALE<BR>CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<BR><BR>BIC:
+			PSSTFRPPCLE<BR><BR>IBAN: FR24 2004 1010 0306 7049 6G02 460<BR><BR>RIB:
+			20041 01003 0670496G024 60</STRONG><BR><BR><U>Amount:</U><BR><BR>(Yapmak
+			istedi�iniz ba��� miktar�n� yaz�n�z: XXX &euro;)<BR><BR><U>Mention:</U><BR><BR>(Ba���
+			ile ilgili a&ccedil;�klama yaz�n�z : <STRONG><B>Mageia - Ad�n�z ve
+			Soyad�n�z- e-posta adresiniz</B></STRONG><BR>Kamuya a&ccedil;�k
+			ba��� yapanlar listesinde ad�n�z�n yer almas�n� istemiyorsan�z
+			a&ccedil;�klama sonuna anonymus kelimesini ekleyin) 
+			</P>
+		</DIV>
+		<P><BR><BR><A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">AUFML
+		Banka Kimlik Verisini indirmek i&ccedil;in buray� t�klay�n[jpg]</A></P>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">&Ccedil;ek ile ba���</H2>
+		<P>Ba���lar�n�z� &ccedil;ek ile de g&ouml;nderebilirsiniz. (Frans�z
+		bankalar�nda hesab�n�z varsa veya Euro b&ouml;lgesinde ya��yorsan�z
+		l&uuml;tfen banka havalesi y&ouml;ntemini kullan�n).<BR><BR>&Ccedil;ekinizi
+		�u adrese g&ouml;nderin:<BR><BR><STRONG>AUFML<BR>56 rue des
+		TILLEULS<BR>92100 BOULOGNE<BR>FRANCE<BR></STRONG><BR><B>L&uuml;fen,
+		AUFML' nin &ccedil;eki Mageia projesi ile ba�lant�lamas�na izin
+		veren bir a&ccedil;�klamay� &ccedil;ekinize eklemeyi
+		unutmay�n!</B><BR><BR>(Kamuya a&ccedil;�k ba��� yapanlar listesinde
+		ad�n�z�n yer almas�n� istemiyorsan�z bunu a&ccedil;�klaman�zda
+		belirtin). 
+		</P>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">Paypal yoluyla ba���</H2>
+		<P>Paypal kullanarak ba���ta bulunabilirsiniz. A�a��daki d&uuml;�meye
+		t�klay�n:</P>
+		<FORM ACTION="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" METHOD="POST">
+			<INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="cmd" VALUE="_s-xclick">
+			<INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="hosted_button_id" VALUE="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC">
+			<DIV ALIGN=CENTER>
+				<P><INPUT TYPE=IMAGE NAME="submit" SRC="Mageia%20-%20a%20new%20Linux%20distribution%20-_dosyalar/btn_donate_LG.gif" WIDTH=92 HEIGHT=26 ALIGN=BOTTOM>
+								<IMG SRC="Mageia%20-%20a%20new%20Linux%20distribution%20-_dosyalar/pixel.gif" NAME="grafik1" ALIGN=BOTTOM WIDTH=2 HEIGHT=2 BORDER=0>
+								</P>
+			</DIV>
+		</FORM>
+		<P><BR><BR>(Uyar�: Paypal, her ba���tan bir miktar komisyon
+		kesmektedir. Bu sebeple sizin g&ouml;nderece�iniz miktar ile bizim
+		ald���m�z miktar aras�nda fark olacakt�r.) 
+		</P>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">�leti�im.</H2>
+		<H3 CLASS="western"><A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">E-posta
+		listeleri</A></H3>
+		<H3 CLASS="western">IRC (Freenode a��)</H3>
+		<UL>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</A>
+			(English), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</A>
+			(developers channel, English), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</A>
+			(KDE-specific channel), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</A>
+			(Portugu&ecirc;s do Brasil), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</A>
+			(Finnish), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</A>
+			(fran&ccedil;ais), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</A>
+			(Espa&ntilde;ol), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</A>
+			(Italiano), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</A>
+			(Norsk), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</A>
+			(Polski), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</A>
+			(&#1056;&#1091;&#1089;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1081;), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</A>
+			(English) 
+			</P>
+		</UL>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">Ba��� yapanlar</H2>
+		<P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm">(L&uuml;tfen sab�rl� olun: Bu liste
+		elle haz�rlanmaktad�r)<BR><BR>1: Pascal Vilarem ( Ma&acirc;t )<BR>2:
+		Vicente Salvador Cubedo<BR>3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<BR>4:
+		Fr&eacute;d&eacute;ric Hugot<BR>5: Jonathan Bayle<BR>6: Markus
+		Schimpf ( arno911 )<BR>7: HTJ Simons<BR>8: Fran&ccedil;ois
+		Jaouen<BR>9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<BR>10: Daniel Le Berre<BR>11:
+		Richard Neill<BR>12: Peter Trussel<BR>13: Marc Pare<BR>14: Dave
+		Postles<BR>15: Basilio Rosa<BR>16: George Mitchell<BR>17: Louis
+		Ramel<BR>18: Tomislav Jankovic<BR>19: Alexandre Lucazeau<BR>20:
+		Micheal Golden<BR>21: Jean Peyratout<BR>22: Philippe Seraphin<BR>23:
+		Bernard Siaud<BR>24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<BR>25: C&eacute;line
+		Harrand<BR>26: &Aacute;ngel Jim&eacute;nez &Aacute;lvaro<BR>27:
+		Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<BR>28: Margot Lawrence<BR>29: Teofilo
+		Casares De La Iglesia<BR>30: Steven Hess<BR>31: Erwien
+		Yustitiawan<BR>32: Thibaut Fran&ccedil;ois<BR>33: Bernd Deinzer<BR>34:
+		Roland Gillard<BR>35: Du&scaron;an Pavl&iacute;k<BR>36: Enrico
+		Gsell<BR>37: Ernst Pini<BR>38: Dick Gevers<BR>39: Gonzalo
+		Igartua<BR>40: Alexander Andreyev<BR>41: Frank Eisele<BR>42: Bj&ouml;rn
+		Olsson<BR>43: Lanfranco Gandolfo<BR>44: Gerardo Bueno Jim&eacute;nez<BR>45:
+		Murat Demir</P>
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+		<H1>Mageia &ndash; yeni bir Linux da��t�m�</H1>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">Ba��� Kampanyas�</H2>
+	</DIV>
+	<DIV ID="bd" DIR="LTR">
+		<P>Cumartesi g&uuml;n&uuml;,  <A HREF="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</A>
+		projesinin ba�lat�ld���na dair duyuru, ola�an&uuml;st&uuml; say�da
+		olumlu tepki ald�. Bunlar�n bir &ccedil;o�u da yard�m etme vaadi
+		ta��yordu.<BR><BR>�u dakikada hen&uuml;z bir yap� olu�turulmam��
+		durumda ve da��t�m� y&ouml;netecek kar g&uuml;tmeyen bir &ouml;rg&uuml;tlenme
+		hen&uuml;z olu�turulmaktad�r.<BR><BR>Ancak, beklentileri kar��lamak
+		ve da��t�m�n geli�tirilmesi i&ccedil;in elzem olan altyap�y� en
+		k�sa s&uuml;rede olu�turabilmek i&ccedil;in Frans�zca Konu�an
+		Mandriva Kullan�c�lar� Derne�i' nin (AUFML - <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</A>)
+		arac�l���yla bu s&uuml;rede ba��� toplanmas�na ve toplanan
+		ba���lar�n Mageia projesine aktar�lmas�na karar verdik.<BR><BR>Dernek
+		t&uuml;z&uuml;�&uuml;n&uuml;n 3-2-3 b&ouml;l&uuml;m&uuml; &laquo;
+		[Derne�in k�smi amac�] &ouml;zg&uuml;r yaz�l�m� savunmak ve genel
+		anlamda maddi kaynak sa�layarak, entellekt&uuml;el destek bularak
+		veya parasal yard�m sa�layarak &ouml;zg&uuml;r yaz�l�m
+		geli�tirilmesine veya Mandriva' n�n geli�tirilmesine destek olma &raquo;
+		ya izin vermektedir.<BR><BR>Bu durum, ge&ccedil;ici olarak kabul
+		edilmi�tir. Mageia &ouml;rg&uuml;t&uuml; olu�turudu�unda ve bir
+		banka hesab� al�nd���nda derhal do�rudan yard�m kabul edilecektir.</P>
+		<P><BR>AUFML, al�nan her ba���ta tam bir �effafl�k sa�lanmas�n�
+		taahh&uuml;t etmi�tir.<BR><BR>Bu ba���lar ne i&ccedil;in
+		kullan�lacakt�r? Mageia projesinin ba�layabilmesi i&ccedil;in
+		sunuculara, makinelere, Mageia ticari markas�n�n ve alan adlar�n�n
+		kay�t alt�na al�nmas�na, derne�in kayd�n�n yap�lmas�na v.b.
+		ihtiyac�m�z vard�r. Ayl�k olarak al�nan ba���lar ve nerelere
+		harcand��� bildirilecektir. Kamuya hesap verebilmenin gerekli
+		oldu�una inan�yoruz.<BR><BR>�u anda toplanan ba��� miktar�: <FONT SIZE=6>1633,71
+		&euro; !</FONT> Hepinize te�ekk&uuml;rler. Yard�mlar�n�z bizim i&ccedil;in
+		&ccedil;ok de�erlidir! 
+		</P>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">Banka havalesi ile ba���.</H2>
+		<P>Banka havalesi yoluyla ba���ta bulunabilirsiniz. <B>L&uuml;tfen
+		AUFML' nin toplanan ba���lar� Mageia projesine aktarabilmesi i&ccedil;in
+		havalelerinizde �u bilgileri kullanmay� unutmay�n:</B><STRONG><B>
+		Mageia - Ad�n�z ve Soyad�n�z- e-posta adresiniz</B></STRONG><B><BR></B><BR>L&uuml;tfen
+		a�a��daki banka kimlik bilgisini veriniz:</P>
+		<DIV ID="rib" DIR="LTR">
+			<P STYLE="border: 1.00pt solid #000000; padding: 0.05cm"><U>In
+			favor of:</U><BR><BR><STRONG>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES
+			MANDRIVA LINUX<BR>40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<BR>45800 ST JEAN DE
+			BRAYE<BR>FRANCE</STRONG><BR><BR><U>Bank Account:</U><BR><BR><STRONG>LA
+			BANQUE POSTALE<BR>CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<BR><BR>BIC:
+			PSSTFRPPCLE<BR><BR>IBAN: FR24 2004 1010 0306 7049 6G02 460<BR><BR>RIB:
+			20041 01003 0670496G024 60</STRONG><BR><BR><U>Amount:</U><BR><BR>(Yapmak
+			istedi�iniz ba��� miktar�n� yaz�n�z: XXX &euro;)<BR><BR><U>Mention:</U><BR><BR>(Ba���
+			ile ilgili a&ccedil;�klama yaz�n�z : <STRONG><B>Mageia - Ad�n�z ve
+			Soyad�n�z- e-posta adresiniz</B></STRONG><BR>Kamuya a&ccedil;�k
+			ba��� yapanlar listesinde ad�n�z�n yer almas�n� istemiyorsan�z
+			a&ccedil;�klama sonuna anonymus kelimesini ekleyin) 
+			</P>
+		</DIV>
+		<P><BR><BR><A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">AUFML
+		Banka Kimlik Verisini indirmek i&ccedil;in buray� t�klay�n[jpg]</A></P>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">&Ccedil;ek ile ba���</H2>
+		<P>Ba���lar�n�z� &ccedil;ek ile de g&ouml;nderebilirsiniz. (Frans�z
+		bankalar�nda hesab�n�z varsa veya Euro b&ouml;lgesinde ya��yorsan�z
+		l&uuml;tfen banka havalesi y&ouml;ntemini kullan�n).<BR><BR>&Ccedil;ekinizi
+		�u adrese g&ouml;nderin:<BR><BR><STRONG>AUFML<BR>56 rue des
+		TILLEULS<BR>92100 BOULOGNE<BR>FRANCE<BR></STRONG><BR><B>L&uuml;fen,
+		AUFML' nin &ccedil;eki Mageia projesi ile ba�lant�lamas�na izin
+		veren bir a&ccedil;�klamay� &ccedil;ekinize eklemeyi
+		unutmay�n!</B><BR><BR>(Kamuya a&ccedil;�k ba��� yapanlar listesinde
+		ad�n�z�n yer almas�n� istemiyorsan�z bunu a&ccedil;�klaman�zda
+		belirtin). 
+		</P>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">Paypal yoluyla ba���</H2>
+		<P>Paypal kullanarak ba���ta bulunabilirsiniz. A�a��daki d&uuml;�meye
+		t�klay�n:</P>
+		<FORM ACTION="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" METHOD="POST">
+			<INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="cmd" VALUE="_s-xclick">
+			<INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME="hosted_button_id" VALUE="4XEHN9DKQ6ABC">
+			<DIV ALIGN=CENTER>
+				<P><INPUT TYPE=IMAGE NAME="submit" SRC="Mageia%20-%20a%20new%20Linux%20distribution%20-_dosyalar/btn_donate_LG.gif" WIDTH=92 HEIGHT=26 ALIGN=BOTTOM>
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+			</DIV>
+		</FORM>
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+		kesmektedir. Bu sebeple sizin g&ouml;nderece�iniz miktar ile bizim
+		ald���m�z miktar aras�nda fark olacakt�r.) 
+		</P>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">�leti�im.</H2>
+		<H3 CLASS="western"><A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">E-posta
+		listeleri</A></H3>
+		<H3 CLASS="western">IRC (Freenode a��)</H3>
+		<UL>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</A>
+			(English), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</A>
+			(developers channel, English), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</A>
+			(KDE-specific channel), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</A>
+			(Portugu&ecirc;s do Brasil), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</A>
+			(Finnish), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</A>
+			(fran&ccedil;ais), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</A>
+			(Espa&ntilde;ol), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</A>
+			(Italiano), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</A>
+			(Norsk), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</A>
+			(Polski), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm"><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</A>
+			(&#1056;&#1091;&#1089;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1081;), 
+			</P>
+			<LI><P><A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</A>
+			(English) 
+			</P>
+		</UL>
+		<H2 CLASS="western">Ba��� yapanlar</H2>
+		<P STYLE="margin-bottom: 0cm">(L&uuml;tfen sab�rl� olun: Bu liste
+		elle haz�rlanmaktad�r)<BR><BR>1: Pascal Vilarem ( Ma&acirc;t )<BR>2:
+		Vicente Salvador Cubedo<BR>3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<BR>4:
+		Fr&eacute;d&eacute;ric Hugot<BR>5: Jonathan Bayle<BR>6: Markus
+		Schimpf ( arno911 )<BR>7: HTJ Simons<BR>8: Fran&ccedil;ois
+		Jaouen<BR>9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<BR>10: Daniel Le Berre<BR>11:
+		Richard Neill<BR>12: Peter Trussel<BR>13: Marc Pare<BR>14: Dave
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+		Micheal Golden<BR>21: Jean Peyratout<BR>22: Philippe Seraphin<BR>23:
+		Bernard Siaud<BR>24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<BR>25: C&eacute;line
+		Harrand<BR>26: &Aacute;ngel Jim&eacute;nez &Aacute;lvaro<BR>27:
+		Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<BR>28: Margot Lawrence<BR>29: Teofilo
+		Casares De La Iglesia<BR>30: Steven Hess<BR>31: Erwien
+		Yustitiawan<BR>32: Thibaut Fran&ccedil;ois<BR>33: Bernd Deinzer<BR>34:
+		Roland Gillard<BR>35: Du&scaron;an Pavl&iacute;k<BR>36: Enrico
+		Gsell<BR>37: Ernst Pini<BR>38: Dick Gevers<BR>39: Gonzalo
+		Igartua<BR>40: Alexander Andreyev<BR>41: Frank Eisele<BR>42: Bj&ouml;rn
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM, franck <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franckdoucet@orange.fr">franckdoucet@orange.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>   Me too especially black red , &quot;Bordeaux&quot;  in french , yes like the<br>
+ wine...  :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+    Franck<br>
+</font><div><div></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br>Indeed, &quot;Bordeaux&quot; is the most profound (the deepest) of all reds to me.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:37 PM, franck <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franckdoucet@orange.fr">franckdoucet@orange.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>   Me too especially black red , &quot;Bordeaux&quot;  in french , yes like the<br>
+ wine...  :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+    Franck<br>
+</font><div><div></div><br></div></blockquote></div><br>Indeed, &quot;Bordeaux&quot; is the most profound (the deepest) of all reds to me.<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-repeat: repeat; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p>
+
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><br></span></font></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p>
+
+<font size="2"><div><br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p></div></font><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+
+</p></div><br clear="all"></blockquote></div></div><div><br>i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br></div></div><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>As I have said here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+...6 hours ago...<br><br>
+This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br>
+The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux
+Mint leaf.<br>
+Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo
+(of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br><br>Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain level of quality.<br><br>Regards, Mike.<br><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com" target="_blank">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-repeat: repeat; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p>
+
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><br></span></font></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p>
+
+<font size="2"><div><br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p></div></font><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+
+</p></div><br clear="all"></blockquote></div></div><div><br>i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br></div></div><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br>As I have said here:<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+...6 hours ago...<br><br>
+This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...<br>
+The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux
+Mint leaf.<br>
+Also Linux Mint contains an &#39;m&#39; in the logo
+(of course ... from &#39;mint&#39;)...<br><br>Please don&#39;t be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no matter I did not see it ever.<br>
+I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain level of quality.<br><br>Regards, Mike.<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-repeat: repeat; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><br></span></font></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p>
+<font size="2"><div><br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p></div></font><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+</p></div><br clear="all"></blockquote><div><br>i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br></div></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:malcer@gmx.com">malcer@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); background-repeat: repeat; font-family: Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12px; margin: 0px; padding: 5px;"><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;">I think it is very professional, simple and striking</span></font></p>
+<p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><br></span></font></p><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;"><font><span style="font-size: small;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a></span></font></p>
+<font size="2"><div><br><p size="2" style="font-family: Verdana;">Malcer<br><br>ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br><br><a href="http://ext4.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://ext4.wordpress.com</a></p></div></font><p style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;">
+</p></div><br clear="all"></blockquote><div><br>i like it, but i don&#39;t like that reminds me linux mint .<br></div></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">who knows about site megeia-br?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>The creation of site mageia-br (http://mageia-br.org/) occurred with the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">brazilian community of Mandriva users.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">who knows about site megeia-br?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>The creation of site mageia-br (http://mageia-br.org/) occurred with the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">brazilian community of Mandriva users.</p>
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+2010/9/24 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Also Mandriva Turkiye community (which is active since 2008) decided<br>
+to support both Mandriva and Mageia through our <a href="http://mandrivaturkiye.com" target="_blank">mandrivaturkiye.com</a><br>
+and <a href="http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com" target="_blank">forum.mandrivaturkiye.com</a> sites.<br>
+<div><div>_______________________________________________<br> </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>the greek community too :)</div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Technically, how do you will proceed to this change?<br>
+
+</div><div>You will rename anything in your mandriva domain to mageia ? or you will do a new domain and restart everything by zero? I ask this because i want to avoid to break the site with a mistake. This probably is a question to the webmasters/admins</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+2010/9/24 atilla ontas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Also Mandriva Turkiye community (which is active since 2008) decided<br>
+to support both Mandriva and Mageia through our <a href="http://mandrivaturkiye.com" target="_blank">mandrivaturkiye.com</a><br>
+and <a href="http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com" target="_blank">forum.mandrivaturkiye.com</a> sites.<br>
+<div><div>_______________________________________________<br> </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>the greek community too :)</div><div> </div><div><br></div><div>Technically, how do you will proceed to this change?<br>
+
+</div><div>You will rename anything in your mandriva domain to mageia ? or you will do a new domain and restart everything by zero? I ask this because i want to avoid to break the site with a mistake. This probably is a question to the webmasters/admins</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Frederic Janssens <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fjanss@gmail.com">fjanss@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com" target="_blank">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br><br>Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>Would appreciate your input.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Isadora<br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div></div>I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>I will transmit it.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><br>
+Frederic<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br>Thanks Frederic, i am looking forward.<br>And will use all suggestions to make a better translation.<br><br>Isadora<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Frederic Janssens <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fjanss@gmail.com">fjanss@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com" target="_blank">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br><br>Think you are quite right about the comma&#39;s,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,<br>I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.<br>Would appreciate your input.<br><font color="#888888"><br>Isadora<br>
+</font><br></blockquote></div></div>I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>I will transmit it.<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888"><br>
+Frederic<br>
+</font><br>_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+<br></blockquote></div><br><br>Thanks Frederic, i am looking forward.<br>And will use all suggestions to make a better translation.<br><br>Isadora<br>
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+Spellbook<br><br>&gt; Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:17:30 +0200<br>&gt; From: erwiensamantha@gmail.com<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] "Cooker"'s name, the poll<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Olivier Thauvin<br>&gt; &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; * Mihai Dobrescu (msdobrescu@gmail.com) wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Abracadabra?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Rejected, too long (have read the list I send two days ago ?)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Make it short like "Cadabra"<br>&gt; <br>&gt; :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; regards,<br>&gt; Erwien.<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+Spellbook<br><br>&gt; Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:17:30 +0200<br>&gt; From: erwiensamantha@gmail.com<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] "Cooker"'s name, the poll<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Olivier Thauvin<br>&gt; &lt;nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; * Mihai Dobrescu (msdobrescu@gmail.com) wrote:<br>&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>&gt; &gt;&gt; Abracadabra?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Rejected, too long (have read the list I send two days ago ?)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Make it short like "Cadabra"<br>&gt; <br>&gt; :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; regards,<br>&gt; Erwien.<br>&gt; _______________________________________________<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss<br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+<div class="h5"><br>
+</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Did you see ignacio&#39;s submission<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+?<br>
+</blockquote></div>Yes.<br>
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+</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Did you see ignacio&#39;s submission<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+?<br>
+</blockquote></div>Yes.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Same that I said in other thread about logos:<br>
+<br>
+IMHO that people is trying to use &quot;M&quot; at any cost. I think that you<br>
+could let your imagination fly free beyond the &quot;M&quot; and try with more<br>
+abstract logos or logos based on the ideas inspired by Mageia (freedom<br>
+- community - equality - etc).<br>
+<br>
+And, as I said in previous e-mails, IMHO that you should keep ti simple:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg" target="_blank">http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://174.122.2.131/%7Ecali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg" target="_blank">http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg" target="_blank">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg" target="_blank">http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+Maybe too much examples, but that&#39;s what I think a logo should be.<br>
+Simple, strong, different. Some logos doesn&#39;t include the brand as a<br>
+word, but I guess marketing guys will work later to &quot;force&quot; people to<br>
+associate the logo with the brand in the same way you do it when you<br>
+see the Nike pipe without the word &quot;Nike&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo180<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I think that &quot;M&quot; managed to express joy and freedom, but it is a bit forced.<br>All these logos are good examples to follow (except GE, I think it is hideous IMHO). <br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Same that I said in other thread about logos:<br>
+<br>
+IMHO that people is trying to use &quot;M&quot; at any cost. I think that you<br>
+could let your imagination fly free beyond the &quot;M&quot; and try with more<br>
+abstract logos or logos based on the ideas inspired by Mageia (freedom<br>
+- community - equality - etc).<br>
+<br>
+And, as I said in previous e-mails, IMHO that you should keep ti simple:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg" target="_blank">http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://174.122.2.131/%7Ecali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg" target="_blank">http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg" target="_blank">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg" target="_blank">http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+Maybe too much examples, but that&#39;s what I think a logo should be.<br>
+Simple, strong, different. Some logos doesn&#39;t include the brand as a<br>
+word, but I guess marketing guys will work later to &quot;force&quot; people to<br>
+associate the logo with the brand in the same way you do it when you<br>
+see the Nike pipe without the word &quot;Nike&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo180<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I think that &quot;M&quot; managed to express joy and freedom, but it is a bit forced.<br>All these logos are good examples to follow (except GE, I think it is hideous IMHO). <br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">First, my English is not good but I try<br></span><span style="" title=""><br>Second,
+as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better if
+it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br></span><span style="" title=""><br>Greetings</span></span><br clear="all">.<br><br>Juan Carlos<br><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">First, my English is not good but I try<br></span><span style="" title=""><br>Second,
+as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better if
+it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br></span><span style="" title=""><br>Greetings</span></span><br clear="all">.<br><br>Juan Carlos<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 17:56, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+So if you are interested in translation, I advice you to subscribe on<br>
+it. We will try to direct translation request here, but please bear with<br>
+us if we forget. We will also use it to contact people for<br>
+internationalisation issues or process, like discussing what to use,<br>
+etc, etc.<br>
+<br>
+And I also hope this can be a friendly hub for discussions between<br>
+translators and people interested in the subject.<br>
+<br>
+If you have any questions, please respond on mageia-discuss.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div>Somewhat out of topic, but related : <br>�<br></div></div>I am aware that it is way too early to go into this now, but I mention, in case anybody is interested, that I have a long term interest in (and have &#39;high level&#39; plans to make it possible) a simplified variant of automatic translation.<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 17:56, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+So if you are interested in translation, I advice you to subscribe on<br>
+it. We will try to direct translation request here, but please bear with<br>
+us if we forget. We will also use it to contact people for<br>
+internationalisation issues or process, like discussing what to use,<br>
+etc, etc.<br>
+<br>
+And I also hope this can be a friendly hub for discussions between<br>
+translators and people interested in the subject.<br>
+<br>
+If you have any questions, please respond on mageia-discuss.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div>Somewhat out of topic, but related : <br>�<br></div></div>I am aware that it is way too early to go into this now, but I mention, in case anybody is interested, that I have a long term interest in (and have &#39;high level&#39; plans to make it possible) a simplified variant of automatic translation.<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS &lt;<a href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; First, my English is not good but I try<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better<br>
+&gt; if it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Me too.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS &lt;<a href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; First, my English is not good but I try<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better<br>
+&gt; if it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Me too.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+W dniu 2010-09-24 20:32, Jérôme Martin pisze:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+And to fix the problem &quot;this is an english spoken mailing list&quot;, I also propose<br>
+to make this list a greek spoken mailing list :-)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+That was nasty, Jerome ;)<br>
+Dimitros, I believe the slogan will be localized depending on the country where the distro is released. Let&#39;s keep it in English on the English-oriented websites.<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Me too</div><div>Because in every language the slogan sounds different, some times cant be exactly the english translation. So, before i use it in articles, forums etc, id like the opinion of other, greek spoken, here.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Or i was nt explained correctly or you read very fast the messages. </div><div><br></div><div> </div></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+W dniu 2010-09-24 20:32, Jérôme Martin pisze:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+And to fix the problem &quot;this is an english spoken mailing list&quot;, I also propose<br>
+to make this list a greek spoken mailing list :-)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+That was nasty, Jerome ;)<br>
+Dimitros, I believe the slogan will be localized depending on the country where the distro is released. Let&#39;s keep it in English on the English-oriented websites.<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br> </blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Me too</div><div>Because in every language the slogan sounds different, some times cant be exactly the english translation. So, before i use it in articles, forums etc, id like the opinion of other, greek spoken, here.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Or i was nt explained correctly or you read very fast the messages. </div><div><br></div><div> </div></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Le 25/09/2010 14:49, Cassian Braconnnier a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+      To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely
+      meaningless.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <br>
+      C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Sorry to contradict you but no there are not, C++ has direct pointer
+    manipulation, no garbage collector, no introspection and no
+    annotation.<br>
+    <br>
+    Sorry also for the ML, because this turn to be a technical
+    discussion.<br>
+    <br>
+    Cheers<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Le 25/09/2010 14:49, Cassian Braconnnier a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+      To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely
+      meaningless.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite">
+      <br>
+      C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Sorry to contradict you but no there are not, C++ has direct pointer
+    manipulation, no garbage collector, no introspection and no
+    annotation.<br>
+    <br>
+    Sorry also for the ML, because this turn to be a technical
+    discussion.<br>
+    <br>
+    Cheers<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Marc Paré &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I was wondering if the KDE dev for Mandriva is here?<br>
+</div>Neoclust is mentioned on the list of people on the homepage, so I do think<br>
+he&#39;s with us.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Where?<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 9:26 AM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Marc Paré &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; I was wondering if the KDE dev for Mandriva is here?<br>
+</div>Neoclust is mentioned on the list of people on the homepage, so I do think<br>
+he&#39;s with us.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Where?<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+As I said, IMHO logo must be simple.<br>
+<br>
+Logos that I like:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+All these logos look simple enough. BUt they are elegant.<br>
+<br>
+I think that all famous logos have in common that they are simple: an<br>
+apple, a red hat, the &quot;evil&quot; window, etc.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I like them too, especially the second and, maybe, the first. The third reminds of Mandriva...<br>If it&#39;s up to me, the styled penguin is the best, it has a special shape, as a rolling stone, polished by water in time. Like old tribes cult items. It is also modern.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+As I said, IMHO logo must be simple.<br>
+<br>
+Logos that I like:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+<br>
+All these logos look simple enough. BUt they are elegant.<br>
+<br>
+I think that all famous logos have in common that they are simple: an<br>
+apple, a red hat, the &quot;evil&quot; window, etc.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>I like them too, especially the second and, maybe, the first. The third reminds of Mandriva...<br>If it&#39;s up to me, the styled penguin is the best, it has a special shape, as a rolling stone, polished by water in time. Like old tribes cult items. It is also modern.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Friday 24 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive<br>
+<div class="im"> from Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; who wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Indeed, &quot;Bordeaux&quot; is the most profound (the deepest) of all reds to me.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Reminds me of a sister in law of mine, who hails from Quinsac (Gironde); who,<br>
+when asked &quot;Aimez vous le Bourgogne ? (Do you like Burgundy)<br>
+replies &quot;Je préfère le vin&quot; (I prefer wine)<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+              Insanity is hereditary: You get it from your kids.<br>
+                                                 -- Sam Levenson<br>
+<br>
+                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>:)) Does the Bordeaux (the wine) reminds somebody the danger?<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Friday 24 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive<br>
+<div class="im"> from Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt; who wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Indeed, &quot;Bordeaux&quot; is the most profound (the deepest) of all reds to me.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Reminds me of a sister in law of mine, who hails from Quinsac (Gironde); who,<br>
+when asked &quot;Aimez vous le Bourgogne ? (Do you like Burgundy)<br>
+replies &quot;Je préfère le vin&quot; (I prefer wine)<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+              Insanity is hereditary: You get it from your kids.<br>
+                                                 -- Sam Levenson<br>
+<br>
+                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>:)) Does the Bordeaux (the wine) reminds somebody the danger?<br>
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:03, Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote cite="mid:20100925050310.1E6ABE11@resin13.mta.everyone.net"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">
+Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++.
+
+Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
+
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+Java is a "higher level language" than C++ ??? This is absolutely
+meaningless.<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:03, Andr&eacute; Machado a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote cite="mid:20100925050310.1E6ABE11@resin13.mta.everyone.net"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">
+Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++.
+
+Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
+
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+Java is a "higher level language" than C++ ??? This is absolutely
+meaningless.<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Le 25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite"><br>
+      <pre wrap="">Unfortunately:
+
+1) Software actually developed by the MDV community is a small
+percentage of the distro.  Most of it is written by upstream developers,
+who will use whatever they like.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I know that. But I think that providing solid bindings to high level
+    languages, can be for Mageia a<font color="BLACK"><b> </b>differentiation
+      point among other distros.</font><small><font color="BLACK"><b><span
+            style="font-size: 8pt;"></span></b></font></small>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small
+percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of
+problem you describe.  Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've
+    often experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place
+    if<br>
+    it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to
+    dive into the code and fix it.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Le 25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite"><br>
+      <pre wrap="">Unfortunately:
+
+1) Software actually developed by the MDV community is a small
+percentage of the distro.  Most of it is written by upstream developers,
+who will use whatever they like.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I know that. But I think that providing solid bindings to high level
+    languages, can be for Mageia a<font color="BLACK"><b> </b>differentiation
+      point among other distros.</font><small><font color="BLACK"><b><span
+            style="font-size: 8pt;"></span></b></font></small>
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small
+percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of
+problem you describe.  Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've
+    often experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place
+    if<br>
+    it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to
+    dive into the code and fix it.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created<br>
+&gt; &gt; to work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages?<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva...<br>
+&gt; Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?<br>
+<br>
+</div>No, I didn&#39;t say that. I didn&#39;t say anything about staying one (or any) steps<br>
+behind Mandriva. I was just against highjacking something. If there are<br>
+packages for Mandriva let them use them.<br>
+There won&#39;t be a first release of Mageia for quite some time, I think. Perhaps<br>
+in three/for month, who knows? Sure we should use the newest stable versions<br>
+of every software we use, then and sure we can experiment with software not so<br>
+stable in the Cauldron, but let&#39;s wait till we really have something to work<br>
+with!<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Of course, I was rhetorical. Let&#39;s do it! As best as we could! (if I can say that in English) But organized. Every thing at its time. It is hard to temper the enthusiasm. It&#39;s hard to temper the rush. But it&#39;s necessary in order to do the things right. What means to build KDE for Mandriva/Mageia? I mean beyond retrieving sources, make and make install?<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created<br>
+&gt; &gt; to work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages?<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva...<br>
+&gt; Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?<br>
+<br>
+</div>No, I didn&#39;t say that. I didn&#39;t say anything about staying one (or any) steps<br>
+behind Mandriva. I was just against highjacking something. If there are<br>
+packages for Mandriva let them use them.<br>
+There won&#39;t be a first release of Mageia for quite some time, I think. Perhaps<br>
+in three/for month, who knows? Sure we should use the newest stable versions<br>
+of every software we use, then and sure we can experiment with software not so<br>
+stable in the Cauldron, but let&#39;s wait till we really have something to work<br>
+with!<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>Of course, I was rhetorical. Let&#39;s do it! As best as we could! (if I can say that in English) But organized. Every thing at its time. It is hard to temper the enthusiasm. It&#39;s hard to temper the rush. But it&#39;s necessary in order to do the things right. What means to build KDE for Mandriva/Mageia? I mean beyond retrieving sources, make and make install?<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><div><br>
+</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Did you see ignacio&#39;s submission<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+?<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>Yes.<br>
+</blockquote></div>I prefer this: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><div><br>
+</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Did you see ignacio&#39;s submission<br>
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+?<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>Yes.<br>
+</blockquote></div>I prefer this: <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+Le 25/09/2010 15:09, Michael Scherer a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:1285420182.26436.101.camel@akroma.ephaone.org"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 09:43 +0200, Michael Scherer a écrit :
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">Alternatively, I think the footer doesn't help much, so maybe it should
+be erased.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap="">
+In a fully dictatorial and autocratic way, I have removed the footer
+from the messages on -discuss and -dev. If this cause too much problem
+( like people unable to find the web interface ), I will add them back.
+
+Now, I just need to find a good message about etiquette to send on first
+subscription. ( help welcome ). 
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+Here is the message send every to the XFCE mailing-list subscriber :<br>
+(sorry, it's quite long)<br>
+<br>
+<pre>Hi!
+
+Welcome to the Xfce users mailing list FAQ. This e-mail will provide you
+with some valuable clues and hints on getting your questions about Xfce
+answered, either by hints on where to find the documentation or support
+or direct answers to the most common questions. This FAQ message is sent
+periodically to the Xfce users mailinglist and to new users.
+
+You will also find some more general tips and pointers about this
+mailinglist and the Xfce project, such as related projects and groups.
+Feel free to suggest additional content to this FAQ, by sending it to
+the maintainer of this FAQ (listed at the bottom).
+
+
+Index:
+
+o General mailinglist information
+o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)
+o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?
+o So what if I need help?
+o I've read the websites and I still need help!
+o No disclaimers please
+o Quoting style?
+o What about you guys?
+o Most commonly asked questions
+o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer
+
+
+
+o General mailinglist information
+
+The Xfce users mailinglist is hosted at our joint project servers
+(foo-projects.org) and uses "mailman" to interface users, subscriptions
+and stuff like that. You will need to be subscribed to post to the
+mailinglists. Here are some useful links to interface with the mailinglists:
+
+View all lists:         <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo</a>
+Subscribe/Unsubscribe:  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</a>
+Online Archive:         <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</a>
+
+
+o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)
+
+There are "developer" and "user" lists. The general (this) user mailing
+list for Xfce is <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
+ href="mailto:xfce@xfce.org">"xfce@xfce.org"</a>. This is the typical list to discuss
+problems that might not be bugs, questions for help, exchanging tips and
+tricks and general news that might interest any Xfce user.
+
+If you wish to discuss development issues and bugs, please refer to the
+development mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
+ href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org">"xfce4-dev@xfce.org"</a>. There is an obsolete list
+called "xfce-dev" as well but since all of the development is done on
+xfce version 4 this list is not used.
+
+Specific lists also exist for translations (<a
+ class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xfce-i18n@xfce.org">xfce-i18n@xfce.org</a>),
+announcements from the Xfce team (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:xfce-announce@xfce.org">xfce-announce@xfce.org</a>), commits and
+autogenerated messages (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:xfce4-commits@xfce.org">xfce4-commits@xfce.org</a>, <a
+ class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xfce-bugs@xfce.org">xfce-bugs@xfce.org</a>).
+
+Other related projects also sometimes have mailinglists, some of them
+are not hosted on foo-projects.org:
+
+xfc:          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:xfc-dev@xfce.org">xfc-dev@xfce.org</a>
+thunar:       <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:thunar-dev@xfce.org">thunar-dev@xfce.org</a>
+xfce goodies: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:goodies-dev@xfce.org">goodies-dev@xfce.org</a>
+
+
+o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?
+
++ The Xfce team - This is the main Xfce development group that develops
+the Xfce Desktop Environment. This group provides the core items of the
+Xfce desktop such as session manager, window manager, panel, Xfce
+libraries and such. This team also takes care of some Xfce applications
+such as Xfmedia, Orage, Xffm, thunar etc. -&gt; <a
+ class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://xfce.org/">http://xfce.org/</a>
+
++ The Xfce i18n team - a enthusiastic group of translators from all
+over the world is working actively on updating and adding new translations
+to the Xfce components. -&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://i18n.xfce.org/">http://i18n.xfce.org/</a>
+
++ The Xfce Goodies group - Any 3rd-party Xfce application is considered
+an automatic member of the goodies team. The team shares a website at
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://goodies.xfce.org/">http://goodies.xfce.org/</a> and hosts a public SVN repository.  Everyone is
+welcome to contribute his Xfce application here!
+
++ Individual Xfce projects - Many Xfce developers and enthusiasts have
+contributed or developed Xfce applications themselves. Some are too
+large (xfc -&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://xfc.xfce.org/">http://xfc.xfce.org/</a>, pyxfce -&gt; <a
+ class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pyxfce.xfce.org/">http://pyxfce.xfce.org/</a>)
+to be a goody and have their own website. You can find all of them on
+the Xfce Directory (once it's finished!). -&gt; <a
+ class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://directory.xfce.org/">http://directory.xfce.org/</a>
+
+
+o So what if I need help?
+
+Getting help might be easier then you think. There's no phone number you
+can call for Xfce support but we do have a large group of people that
+are willing to help you in other ways. Here's a short list of them:
+
+Official documentation: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/</a>
+User Forum:             <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://forum.xfce.org/">http://forum.xfce.org/</a>
+IRC channel:            <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce">irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce</a>
+Wiki:                   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://wiki.xfce.org/">http://wiki.xfce.org/</a>
+Bugreports:             <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://bugzilla.xfce.org/">http://bugzilla.xfce.org/</a>
+List archives:          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</a>
+
+Other FAQ's exist and may prove useful to you:
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq">http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq</a>
+
+
+o I've read the websites and I still need help!
+
+Asking on a mailing list for help is hard: Everyone will read your
+question and will criticise you if you submit a question in the wrong
+way. Here's some hints to maximize the chances that you get what you
+want as quickly as possible:
+
++ Do some research first
++ Ask the right people
++ When asking in IRC, ask for pointers to help, not the explanation
++ When asking in mailinglists, format your mail properly
++ Use english
++ Be specific and detailed (but not too much)
++ Re-post the solution so others can learn
+
+If you follow these rules everyone will be happy to help you! But don't
+be afraid to ask though, this mailinglists is exactly for asking questions!
+
+There's a good in-depth document that explains the etiquette that most
+senior ML members follow. You should read this if you become a frequent
+ML poster as it explains <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span
+ class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>why<span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> we write this way in a really good way:
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</a>
+
+Take 15 minutes to read this document, it will help you later and you
+will understand much better how to get your question answered.
+
+
+o No disclaimers please
+
+If you are posting from an email account where a legal disclaimer is
+automatically appended to your outgoing messages, please disable it.
+If you cannot, please use a different email account, or register for a
+free webmail account (GMail, Yahoo, etc.).  Note that such a disclaimer
+means very little when you post an email to a public mailing list with
+public archives.  Extraneous disclaimer text in email can make your
+message harder to read, and tends to add a lot of useless content when
+messages are replied to repeatedly.  Remember that you're posting to
+a community of hundreds of people, and it's impolite to use up their
+time unnecessarily.
+
+
+o Quoting style?
+
+It's very hard to understand a thread of messages if they become replies
+to replies and everyone mixes quoting styles. That's why there is
+something called "quoting style", that describes how you should quote
+the previous posters contents when you reply to a mailinglist message.
+
+We prefer that you use "Top quoting". That means that you should put
+your reply <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>below<span
+ class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> (Put the quote on top/above your reply) the original
+poster's message. That way the contents are in chronological order and
+you can read the entire message thread without figuring out where the
+reply belongs.
+
+Here's a good FAQ on how to quote:
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://web.presby.edu/%7Ennqadmin/nnq/nquote.html">http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html</a>
+
+Basically:
+
++ quote at the top
++ prune text from the quote that is irrelevant
++ remove footers and headers (condense)
++ put the reply directly next to (in between) the original text
+
+
+o What about you guys?
+
+Well we're just a bunch of geeks (we need girls) who like Xfce... Most
+of us work on Xfce outside of our normal daily occupation such as real
+work or real study (except some lucky people who do both). If you're
+interested in getting to know the Xfce team a bit closer (and are okay
+with a little abuse, being teased or ignored etc) you're welcome to join
+us on our IRC channel (#xfce on the freenode IRC network) or read our
+blogs. This might not always be about Xfce but that's life. -&gt;
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.xfce.org/">http://blog.xfce.org/</a>
+
+
+o Most commonly asked questions
+
+There are a few questions that get asked much more often then any other.
+We hope we can provide you with the information here to find out for
+yourself how to find more information about them.
+
++ How can I start up applications (to a specific desktop | when I lauch
+Xfce)?
+
+Use the session-manager. If you still have problems with some
+applications not behaving or remembering their desktop number then you
+might consider using "devilspie". You can add links to applications in
+~/Desktop/Autostart, but the session-manager also remembers which
+applications you had running when you last logged out (and saved your
+session!), and will start them again (so don't close your applications
+before logging out!)
+
++ Can I replace Xfce program X with my favorite program Y?
+
+Yes, you can. Xfce is developed with the idea of modularity in mind in
+all components. This means that you can replace xfwm4 with another
+window manager, replace xfdesktop with rox or idesk, or even nautilus.
+Most of the times you can just kill the xfce component and start the
+application you want to run instead, and use the session manager to
+save your session when you exit.
+
++ How can I shutdown my computer in Xfce?
+
+Read
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown</a>
+
++ Can I install multiple Xfce versions concurrently?
+
+You can actually, but it's a nightmare if you install one of them in a
+system-default location. The best thing to do is to install every Xfce
+version in a non-system location like <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span
+ class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>opt/xfce<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i>$(XFCE_VERSION) and
+adjust your LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH to point to the preferred version
+at run time.
+
++ My desktop or desktop menu has disappeared!?
+
+It appears that xfdesktop is no longer in control of the desktop. Often
+xfdesktop has died, or some other program took over the desktop. Make
+sure that xfdesktop is still running first. Nautilus takes over the
+desktop by default too. Please start nautilus with the --no-desktop
+flag, or use gconf-editor and unset the flag that tells nautilus to
+handle the desktop (/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop). Start
+xfdesktop again and you should be OK again.
+
++ How do I edit the system application menu?
+
+The menu is partially autogenerated by xfdesktop. If you want to just
+delete or add one or two applications, add the proper .desktop file
+(usually in /usr/share/applications). With the xfce4-menueditor, you can
+completely customize the menu.
+
++ What other (hidden) settings exist?
+
+A lot. Take a look into the manual for hidden settings for each
+component.
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk</a>
+
++ Where can I get Xfce packages for XXX?
+
+The up-to-date list of other packages is found on our website and includes
+links to debian, suse, freebsd etc. packages for Xfce. Please visit:
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.xfce.org/download/">http://www.xfce.org/download/</a>
+
+o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer
+
+The current FAQ maintainer is: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:sofar@foo-projects.org">sofar@foo-projects.org</a>
+
+_______________________________________________
+Xfce mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Xfce@xfce.org">Xfce@xfce.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.xfce.org">http://www.xfce.org</a>
+</pre>
+<br>
+<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team 
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+</pre>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+Le 25/09/2010 15:09, Michael Scherer a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:1285420182.26436.101.camel@akroma.ephaone.org"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 à 09:43 +0200, Michael Scherer a écrit :
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">Alternatively, I think the footer doesn't help much, so maybe it should
+be erased.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap="">
+In a fully dictatorial and autocratic way, I have removed the footer
+from the messages on -discuss and -dev. If this cause too much problem
+( like people unable to find the web interface ), I will add them back.
+
+Now, I just need to find a good message about etiquette to send on first
+subscription. ( help welcome ). 
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+Here is the message send every to the XFCE mailing-list subscriber :<br>
+(sorry, it's quite long)<br>
+<br>
+<pre>Hi!
+
+Welcome to the Xfce users mailing list FAQ. This e-mail will provide you
+with some valuable clues and hints on getting your questions about Xfce
+answered, either by hints on where to find the documentation or support
+or direct answers to the most common questions. This FAQ message is sent
+periodically to the Xfce users mailinglist and to new users.
+
+You will also find some more general tips and pointers about this
+mailinglist and the Xfce project, such as related projects and groups.
+Feel free to suggest additional content to this FAQ, by sending it to
+the maintainer of this FAQ (listed at the bottom).
+
+
+Index:
+
+o General mailinglist information
+o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)
+o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?
+o So what if I need help?
+o I've read the websites and I still need help!
+o No disclaimers please
+o Quoting style?
+o What about you guys?
+o Most commonly asked questions
+o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer
+
+
+
+o General mailinglist information
+
+The Xfce users mailinglist is hosted at our joint project servers
+(foo-projects.org) and uses "mailman" to interface users, subscriptions
+and stuff like that. You will need to be subscribed to post to the
+mailinglists. Here are some useful links to interface with the mailinglists:
+
+View all lists:         <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo</a>
+Subscribe/Unsubscribe:  <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</a>
+Online Archive:         <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</a>
+
+
+o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)
+
+There are "developer" and "user" lists. The general (this) user mailing
+list for Xfce is <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
+ href="mailto:xfce@xfce.org">"xfce@xfce.org"</a>. This is the typical list to discuss
+problems that might not be bugs, questions for help, exchanging tips and
+tricks and general news that might interest any Xfce user.
+
+If you wish to discuss development issues and bugs, please refer to the
+development mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
+ href="mailto:xfce4-dev@xfce.org">"xfce4-dev@xfce.org"</a>. There is an obsolete list
+called "xfce-dev" as well but since all of the development is done on
+xfce version 4 this list is not used.
+
+Specific lists also exist for translations (<a
+ class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xfce-i18n@xfce.org">xfce-i18n@xfce.org</a>),
+announcements from the Xfce team (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:xfce-announce@xfce.org">xfce-announce@xfce.org</a>), commits and
+autogenerated messages (<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:xfce4-commits@xfce.org">xfce4-commits@xfce.org</a>, <a
+ class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:xfce-bugs@xfce.org">xfce-bugs@xfce.org</a>).
+
+Other related projects also sometimes have mailinglists, some of them
+are not hosted on foo-projects.org:
+
+xfc:          <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:xfc-dev@xfce.org">xfc-dev@xfce.org</a>
+thunar:       <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:thunar-dev@xfce.org">thunar-dev@xfce.org</a>
+xfce goodies: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:goodies-dev@xfce.org">goodies-dev@xfce.org</a>
+
+
+o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?
+
++ The Xfce team - This is the main Xfce development group that develops
+the Xfce Desktop Environment. This group provides the core items of the
+Xfce desktop such as session manager, window manager, panel, Xfce
+libraries and such. This team also takes care of some Xfce applications
+such as Xfmedia, Orage, Xffm, thunar etc. -&gt; <a
+ class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://xfce.org/">http://xfce.org/</a>
+
++ The Xfce i18n team - a enthusiastic group of translators from all
+over the world is working actively on updating and adding new translations
+to the Xfce components. -&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://i18n.xfce.org/">http://i18n.xfce.org/</a>
+
++ The Xfce Goodies group - Any 3rd-party Xfce application is considered
+an automatic member of the goodies team. The team shares a website at
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://goodies.xfce.org/">http://goodies.xfce.org/</a> and hosts a public SVN repository.  Everyone is
+welcome to contribute his Xfce application here!
+
++ Individual Xfce projects - Many Xfce developers and enthusiasts have
+contributed or developed Xfce applications themselves. Some are too
+large (xfc -&gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://xfc.xfce.org/">http://xfc.xfce.org/</a>, pyxfce -&gt; <a
+ class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pyxfce.xfce.org/">http://pyxfce.xfce.org/</a>)
+to be a goody and have their own website. You can find all of them on
+the Xfce Directory (once it's finished!). -&gt; <a
+ class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://directory.xfce.org/">http://directory.xfce.org/</a>
+
+
+o So what if I need help?
+
+Getting help might be easier then you think. There's no phone number you
+can call for Xfce support but we do have a large group of people that
+are willing to help you in other ways. Here's a short list of them:
+
+Official documentation: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/</a>
+User Forum:             <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://forum.xfce.org/">http://forum.xfce.org/</a>
+IRC channel:            <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce">irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce</a>
+Wiki:                   <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://wiki.xfce.org/">http://wiki.xfce.org/</a>
+Bugreports:             <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://bugzilla.xfce.org/">http://bugzilla.xfce.org/</a>
+List archives:          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</a>
+
+Other FAQ's exist and may prove useful to you:
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq">http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq</a>
+
+
+o I've read the websites and I still need help!
+
+Asking on a mailing list for help is hard: Everyone will read your
+question and will criticise you if you submit a question in the wrong
+way. Here's some hints to maximize the chances that you get what you
+want as quickly as possible:
+
++ Do some research first
++ Ask the right people
++ When asking in IRC, ask for pointers to help, not the explanation
++ When asking in mailinglists, format your mail properly
++ Use english
++ Be specific and detailed (but not too much)
++ Re-post the solution so others can learn
+
+If you follow these rules everyone will be happy to help you! But don't
+be afraid to ask though, this mailinglists is exactly for asking questions!
+
+There's a good in-depth document that explains the etiquette that most
+senior ML members follow. You should read this if you become a frequent
+ML poster as it explains <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span
+ class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>why<span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> we write this way in a really good way:
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.catb.org/%7Eesr/faqs/smart-questions.html">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</a>
+
+Take 15 minutes to read this document, it will help you later and you
+will understand much better how to get your question answered.
+
+
+o No disclaimers please
+
+If you are posting from an email account where a legal disclaimer is
+automatically appended to your outgoing messages, please disable it.
+If you cannot, please use a different email account, or register for a
+free webmail account (GMail, Yahoo, etc.).  Note that such a disclaimer
+means very little when you post an email to a public mailing list with
+public archives.  Extraneous disclaimer text in email can make your
+message harder to read, and tends to add a lot of useless content when
+messages are replied to repeatedly.  Remember that you're posting to
+a community of hundreds of people, and it's impolite to use up their
+time unnecessarily.
+
+
+o Quoting style?
+
+It's very hard to understand a thread of messages if they become replies
+to replies and everyone mixes quoting styles. That's why there is
+something called "quoting style", that describes how you should quote
+the previous posters contents when you reply to a mailinglist message.
+
+We prefer that you use "Top quoting". That means that you should put
+your reply <span class="moz-txt-underscore"><span class="moz-txt-tag">_</span>below<span
+ class="moz-txt-tag">_</span></span> (Put the quote on top/above your reply) the original
+poster's message. That way the contents are in chronological order and
+you can read the entire message thread without figuring out where the
+reply belongs.
+
+Here's a good FAQ on how to quote:
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://web.presby.edu/%7Ennqadmin/nnq/nquote.html">http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html</a>
+
+Basically:
+
++ quote at the top
++ prune text from the quote that is irrelevant
++ remove footers and headers (condense)
++ put the reply directly next to (in between) the original text
+
+
+o What about you guys?
+
+Well we're just a bunch of geeks (we need girls) who like Xfce... Most
+of us work on Xfce outside of our normal daily occupation such as real
+work or real study (except some lucky people who do both). If you're
+interested in getting to know the Xfce team a bit closer (and are okay
+with a little abuse, being teased or ignored etc) you're welcome to join
+us on our IRC channel (#xfce on the freenode IRC network) or read our
+blogs. This might not always be about Xfce but that's life. -&gt;
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://blog.xfce.org/">http://blog.xfce.org/</a>
+
+
+o Most commonly asked questions
+
+There are a few questions that get asked much more often then any other.
+We hope we can provide you with the information here to find out for
+yourself how to find more information about them.
+
++ How can I start up applications (to a specific desktop | when I lauch
+Xfce)?
+
+Use the session-manager. If you still have problems with some
+applications not behaving or remembering their desktop number then you
+might consider using "devilspie". You can add links to applications in
+~/Desktop/Autostart, but the session-manager also remembers which
+applications you had running when you last logged out (and saved your
+session!), and will start them again (so don't close your applications
+before logging out!)
+
++ Can I replace Xfce program X with my favorite program Y?
+
+Yes, you can. Xfce is developed with the idea of modularity in mind in
+all components. This means that you can replace xfwm4 with another
+window manager, replace xfdesktop with rox or idesk, or even nautilus.
+Most of the times you can just kill the xfce component and start the
+application you want to run instead, and use the session manager to
+save your session when you exit.
+
++ How can I shutdown my computer in Xfce?
+
+Read
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown</a>
+
++ Can I install multiple Xfce versions concurrently?
+
+You can actually, but it's a nightmare if you install one of them in a
+system-default location. The best thing to do is to install every Xfce
+version in a non-system location like <i class="moz-txt-slash"><span
+ class="moz-txt-tag">/</span>opt/xfce<span class="moz-txt-tag">/</span></i>$(XFCE_VERSION) and
+adjust your LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH to point to the preferred version
+at run time.
+
++ My desktop or desktop menu has disappeared!?
+
+It appears that xfdesktop is no longer in control of the desktop. Often
+xfdesktop has died, or some other program took over the desktop. Make
+sure that xfdesktop is still running first. Nautilus takes over the
+desktop by default too. Please start nautilus with the --no-desktop
+flag, or use gconf-editor and unset the flag that tells nautilus to
+handle the desktop (/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop). Start
+xfdesktop again and you should be OK again.
+
++ How do I edit the system application menu?
+
+The menu is partially autogenerated by xfdesktop. If you want to just
+delete or add one or two applications, add the proper .desktop file
+(usually in /usr/share/applications). With the xfce4-menueditor, you can
+completely customize the menu.
+
++ What other (hidden) settings exist?
+
+A lot. Take a look into the manual for hidden settings for each
+component.
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk</a>
+
++ Where can I get Xfce packages for XXX?
+
+The up-to-date list of other packages is found on our website and includes
+links to debian, suse, freebsd etc. packages for Xfce. Please visit:
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.xfce.org/download/">http://www.xfce.org/download/</a>
+
+o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer
+
+The current FAQ maintainer is: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
+ href="mailto:sofar@foo-projects.org">sofar@foo-projects.org</a>
+
+_______________________________________________
+Xfce mailing list
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Xfce@xfce.org">Xfce@xfce.org</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.xfce.org">http://www.xfce.org</a>
+</pre>
+<br>
+<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team 
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+</pre>
+</body>
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+Le 25/09/2010 04:48, André Machado a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:20100924194831.1E7523E0@resin17.mta.everyone.net"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">--- <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a> escreveu:
+From: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">"terraagua@gmail.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">&lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;</a>
+To: Mageia general discussions <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</a>
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300
+
+Olá,
+
+who knows about site megeia-br?
+
+The creation of site mageia-br (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</a>) occurred with
+the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?
+
+MacXi
+
+brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+----<br>
+<blockquote cite="mid:20100924194831.1E7523E0@resin17.mta.everyone.net"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is available at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/">http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</a>
+
+Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to mageia.org/pt-br is <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.mageia.com.br">www.mageia.com.br</a>, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da Silva Júnior
+.
+
+Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These infos have Phone and mail address.
+
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+Hem... running under Microsoft IIS<br>
+<br>
+And mail contact : Mailing lists link replaced by <a
+ href="mailto:project@mageia-br.org">project@mageia-br.org</a> <span
+ style="display: none;">Este endereço de e-mail está protegido contra
+spambots. Você deve habilitar o JavaScript para visualizá-lo.  </span><br>
+<br>
+...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Le 25/09/2010 04:48, André Machado a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:20100924194831.1E7523E0@resin17.mta.everyone.net"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">--- <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a> escreveu:
+From: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">"terraagua@gmail.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">&lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;</a>
+To: Mageia general discussions <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</a>
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300
+
+Olá,
+
+who knows about site megeia-br?
+
+The creation of site mageia-br (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</a>) occurred with
+the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?
+
+MacXi
+
+brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+----<br>
+<blockquote cite="mid:20100924194831.1E7523E0@resin17.mta.everyone.net"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is available at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/">http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</a>
+
+Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to mageia.org/pt-br is <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.mageia.com.br">www.mageia.com.br</a>, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da Silva Júnior
+.
+
+Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These infos have Phone and mail address.
+
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+Hem... running under Microsoft IIS<br>
+<br>
+And mail contact : Mailing lists link replaced by <a
+ href="mailto:project@mageia-br.org">project@mageia-br.org</a> <span
+ style="display: none;">Este endereço de e-mail está protegido contra
+spambots. Você deve habilitar o JavaScript para visualizá-lo.  </span><br>
+<br>
+...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+Farfouille wrote:
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DFCAA.8070303@free.fr" type="cite"> Le
+25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a écrit :<small><font color="BLACK"><b><span
+ style="font-size: 8pt;"></span></b></font></small>
+  <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small
+percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of
+problem you describe.  Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've often
+experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place if<br>
+it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to dive
+into the code and fix it.<br>
+  <br>
+</blockquote>
+By "behavioral", I don't mean bug as in unintended behavior, but
+behavior intended by the developer with which most of the users
+disagree, e.g. make this the default rather than that.<br>
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+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+Farfouille wrote:
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DFCAA.8070303@free.fr" type="cite"> Le
+25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a écrit :<small><font color="BLACK"><b><span
+ style="font-size: 8pt;"></span></b></font></small>
+  <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DE9AE.8090301@roadrunner.com" type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small
+percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of
+problem you describe.  Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've often
+experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place if<br>
+it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to dive
+into the code and fix it.<br>
+  <br>
+</blockquote>
+By "behavioral", I don't mean bug as in unintended behavior, but
+behavior intended by the developer with which most of the users
+disagree, e.g. make this the default rather than that.<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Afmachado, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I Just want to know if it was discussed here or  is a independent project.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Thanks</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Sex 24 Set 2010, às 23:48:31, André Machado escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; --- terraagua@gmail.com escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; From: "terraagua@gmail.com" &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; To: Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Olá,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; who knows about site megeia-br?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The creation of site mageia-br (http://mageia-br.org/) occurred with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; MacXi</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; brazilian community of Mandriva users.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________  Mageia-discuss</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  available at http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  mageia.org/pt-br is www.mageia.com.br, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  Silva Júnior .</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  infos have Phone and mail address.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _____________________________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; http://www.DCemail.com</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt; http://www.DCpages.com</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Afmachado, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I Just want to know if it was discussed here or  is a independent project.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Thanks</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Sex 24 Set 2010, às 23:48:31, André Machado escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; --- terraagua@gmail.com escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; From: "terraagua@gmail.com" &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; To: Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Olá,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; who knows about site megeia-br?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The creation of site mageia-br (http://mageia-br.org/) occurred with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; MacXi</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; brazilian community of Mandriva users.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________  Mageia-discuss</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mailing list Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  available at http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  mageia.org/pt-br is www.mageia.com.br, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  Silva Júnior .</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  infos have Phone and mail address.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _____________________________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; http://www.DCemail.com</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;  ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt; http://www.DCpages.com</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; _______________________________________________</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
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+    <br>
+    Le 25/09/2010 16:54, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:201009251054.16965.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Saturday 25 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from Farfouille <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr">&lt;farfouille64@free.fr&gt;</a> who wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">If one compare a C/Gobject program with its equivalent in Vala, it is 
+obvious that it will have fewer bugs in Vala version, just because there 
+less lines of code hence less places where bugs can hide.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap=""> 
+This argument does not hold water. I used to program in APL, progs were 
+usually very short (a complex prog had less than a few dozen lines), and could 
+be full of bugs.
+ 
+Cheers,
+ 
+Ron.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Please don't compare APL with the languages aforementioned.<br>
+    Quote from Wikipedia about APL :<br>
+    "Because of its condensed nature and non-standard characters, APL
+    has sometimes been termed a "<a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-only_language"
+      title="Write-only language">write-only language</a>", and reading
+    an APL program can at first feel like decoding <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphics"
+      title="Egyptian hieroglyphics" class="mw-redirect">Egyptian
+      hieroglyphics</a>. Because of the unusual <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_set" title="Character
+      set" class="mw-redirect">character set</a>, many programmers use
+    special <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_keyboard"
+      title="Computer keyboard" class="mw-redirect">keyboards</a> with
+    APL keytops for authoring APL code."<br>
+    <br>
+    My argument is about C/Gobject and Vala not about any languages.
+    Vala has been developed with the goal of easing Glib programming.
+    That's why the comparison of program length makes sense.<br>
+    <br>
+    Cheers,<br>
+    <br>
+    Farfouille.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Le 25/09/2010 16:54, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:201009251054.16965.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Saturday 25 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from Farfouille <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:farfouille64@free.fr">&lt;farfouille64@free.fr&gt;</a> who wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">If one compare a C/Gobject program with its equivalent in Vala, it is 
+obvious that it will have fewer bugs in Vala version, just because there 
+less lines of code hence less places where bugs can hide.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap=""> 
+This argument does not hold water. I used to program in APL, progs were 
+usually very short (a complex prog had less than a few dozen lines), and could 
+be full of bugs.
+ 
+Cheers,
+ 
+Ron.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Please don't compare APL with the languages aforementioned.<br>
+    Quote from Wikipedia about APL :<br>
+    "Because of its condensed nature and non-standard characters, APL
+    has sometimes been termed a "<a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-only_language"
+      title="Write-only language">write-only language</a>", and reading
+    an APL program can at first feel like decoding <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphics"
+      title="Egyptian hieroglyphics" class="mw-redirect">Egyptian
+      hieroglyphics</a>. Because of the unusual <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_set" title="Character
+      set" class="mw-redirect">character set</a>, many programmers use
+    special <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_keyboard"
+      title="Computer keyboard" class="mw-redirect">keyboards</a> with
+    APL keytops for authoring APL code."<br>
+    <br>
+    My argument is about C/Gobject and Vala not about any languages.
+    Vala has been developed with the goal of easing Glib programming.
+    That's why the comparison of program length makes sense.<br>
+    <br>
+    Cheers,<br>
+    <br>
+    Farfouille.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+atilla ontas &lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; 2010/9/25 Marc Paré &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; Oh well, I thought it would be kind of neat/weird if he had packages<br>
+&gt; &gt; already/almost complete to upgrade Mdv2010.1 to KDE4.5.1, that he could<br>
+&gt; &gt; release them as a Mageia KDE 4.5.1. It would signal a sign of things to<br>
+&gt; &gt; come. Most people would know that it would have been really for<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mdv2010.1.<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; Isn&#39;t it too early to talk about KDE packages. No buildsystem or<br>
+&gt; servers have been set up yet.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created to<br>
+work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages? What do we<br>
+win by this? I think we would only loose some credibility in the international<br>
+OpenSource community.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>OMG!<br>As user I wouldn&#39;t think you want to kill/destroy/blow up/whatever evil you may imagine to do to Mandriva.<br>You just try to get the best for Mageia&#39;s users. Although the cutting edge is not he best. I wish to have the newest possible (read stable) version built in my distro.<br>
+Let&#39;s not be negative and hostile in thinking.<br>Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva... Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?<br>Actually, if Mageia will contribute to some important component as KDE is, this will help all the distros around, including Mandriva. I&#39;m sure they will upgrade some component due to their plan, so it is not anybody&#39;s fault if they decide to remain behind (to a certain version).<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+atilla ontas &lt;<a href="mailto:tarakbumba@gmail.com">tarakbumba@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; 2010/9/25 Marc Paré &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; Oh well, I thought it would be kind of neat/weird if he had packages<br>
+&gt; &gt; already/almost complete to upgrade Mdv2010.1 to KDE4.5.1, that he could<br>
+&gt; &gt; release them as a Mageia KDE 4.5.1. It would signal a sign of things to<br>
+&gt; &gt; come. Most people would know that it would have been really for<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mdv2010.1.<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; Isn&#39;t it too early to talk about KDE packages. No buildsystem or<br>
+&gt; servers have been set up yet.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created to<br>
+work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages? What do we<br>
+win by this? I think we would only loose some credibility in the international<br>
+OpenSource community.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font><div><div></div><div class="h5">_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>OMG!<br>As user I wouldn&#39;t think you want to kill/destroy/blow up/whatever evil you may imagine to do to Mandriva.<br>You just try to get the best for Mageia&#39;s users. Although the cutting edge is not he best. I wish to have the newest possible (read stable) version built in my distro.<br>
+Let&#39;s not be negative and hostile in thinking.<br>Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva... Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?<br>Actually, if Mageia will contribute to some important component as KDE is, this will help all the distros around, including Mandriva. I&#39;m sure they will upgrade some component due to their plan, so it is not anybody&#39;s fault if they decide to remain behind (to a certain version).<br>
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+<DIV style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif; font-size:10pt;"><BR><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<BR>Logo doesn't need have Mageia word or M letter, but need be something that people look and associate with distro. See Apple logo: there is no Apple word or A letter, but when we look for that stylized frui, we know that is talking about Steve Job's company.
+</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>&nbsp;<BR><HR>Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; http://www.DCemail.com ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<BR>http://www.DCpages.com</DIV>
+
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+<BR>Logo doesn't need have Mageia word or M letter, but need be something that people look and associate with distro. See Apple logo: there is no Apple word or A letter, but when we look for that stylized frui, we know that is talking about Steve Job's company.
+</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR>&nbsp;<BR><HR>Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; http://www.DCemail.com ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<BR>http://www.DCpages.com</DIV>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello mageians! <span
+        class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
+      <br>
+      I created an Opendesktop group to offer some visibility on the
+      OpenDesktop.org websites.&nbsp; This is just for you to know about it.
+      I guess this will can help encouraging contributions on the
+      Artwork and applications side, in some way in the future. <br>
+      <br>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opendesktop.org/groups/?id=407">http://opendesktop.org/groups/?id=407</a><br>
+      <br>
+      Cheers,<br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Hello mageians! <span
+        class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
+      <br>
+      I created an Opendesktop group to offer some visibility on the
+      OpenDesktop.org websites.&nbsp; This is just for you to know about it.
+      I guess this will can help encouraging contributions on the
+      Artwork and applications side, in some way in the future. <br>
+      <br>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://opendesktop.org/groups/?id=407">http://opendesktop.org/groups/?id=407</a><br>
+      <br>
+      Cheers,<br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:31, Farfouille a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEB98.4020206@free.fr" type="cite">)<br>
+  <br>
+Le 25/09/2010 14:03, André Machado a écrit :
+  <br>
+  <blockquote type="cite">Short answer : by using language of higher
+level than C or C++.
+    <br>
+    <br>
+Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
+    <br>
+  </blockquote>
+</blockquote>
+To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely meaningless.<br>
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEB98.4020206@free.fr" type="cite">
+  <blockquote type="cite">- low level libraries can still be done in
+C/C++ with well crafted bindings to high level languages
+    <br>
+  </blockquote>
+</blockquote>
+There is no such thing as C/C++.  There is C language on the one hand
+and C++ language on the other. Two very different languages (even if
+C++ includes most of C  language).<br>
+C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br>
+Of course you can prefer one over the other : that is a quite different
+point.<br>
+Cassian Braconnier (Ptyxs)<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:31, Farfouille a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEB98.4020206@free.fr" type="cite">)<br>
+  <br>
+Le 25/09/2010 14:03, André Machado a écrit :
+  <br>
+  <blockquote type="cite">Short answer : by using language of higher
+level than C or C++.
+    <br>
+    <br>
+Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
+    <br>
+  </blockquote>
+</blockquote>
+To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely meaningless.<br>
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEB98.4020206@free.fr" type="cite">
+  <blockquote type="cite">- low level libraries can still be done in
+C/C++ with well crafted bindings to high level languages
+    <br>
+  </blockquote>
+</blockquote>
+There is no such thing as C/C++.  There is C language on the one hand
+and C++ language on the other. Two very different languages (even if
+C++ includes most of C  language).<br>
+C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br>
+Of course you can prefer one over the other : that is a quite different
+point.<br>
+Cassian Braconnier (Ptyxs)<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+    Le 23/09/2010 21:53, Mihai Dobrescu a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=5Tj_aGtSiwqksjeOARyde_OKKxHDiyVCBRbwh@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:37 PM, peter f
+        miller <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:pfmiller@gmail.com">pfmiller@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div class="gmail_quote">
+            <div class="im">On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, "Funda Wang" &lt;<a
+                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com"
+                target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br
+                type="attribution">
+              &gt; 在 2010年9月23日 下午11:06，Kira &lt;<a
+                moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;
+              写道：<br>
+              &gt;&gt; 在 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James
+              &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>&gt;
+              寫道:<br>
+              &gt;&gt; I had also tried to translate the text. In
+              Chinese there's really no words<br>
+              &gt;&gt; match up with the meaning of fork in English.
+              But, I think using the word<br>
+              &gt;&gt; branch in Chinese: "分支", would fit in the meaning
+              in the text.<br>
+              &gt; Exact translation for "branch", but it won't fit the
+              meaning of fork.<br>
+              <br>
+            </div>
+            My dictionary gives "分叉" as the translation of fork, do you
+            think this word is also not quite right?
+          </div>
+          <br>
+          _______________________________________________<br>
+          Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss"
+            target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      Don't you have a tool in agriculture that is used to handle the
+      hay? It is called "<font size="2">Pitchfork", look here: <a
+          moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork</a>.
+        Could it be an alternative? I think this is the origin to the
+        verb "fork" somehow.</font><br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Any news about this chinese translation?<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    Le 23/09/2010 21:53, Mihai Dobrescu a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=5Tj_aGtSiwqksjeOARyde_OKKxHDiyVCBRbwh@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:37 PM, peter f
+        miller <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:pfmiller@gmail.com">pfmiller@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div class="gmail_quote">
+            <div class="im">On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, "Funda Wang" &lt;<a
+                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com"
+                target="_blank">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br
+                type="attribution">
+              &gt; 在 2010年9月23日 下午11:06，Kira &lt;<a
+                moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="mailto:elegant.pegasus@gmail.com" target="_blank">elegant.pegasus@gmail.com</a>&gt;
+              写道：<br>
+              &gt;&gt; 在 Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James
+              &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>&gt;
+              寫道:<br>
+              &gt;&gt; I had also tried to translate the text. In
+              Chinese there's really no words<br>
+              &gt;&gt; match up with the meaning of fork in English.
+              But, I think using the word<br>
+              &gt;&gt; branch in Chinese: "分支", would fit in the meaning
+              in the text.<br>
+              &gt; Exact translation for "branch", but it won't fit the
+              meaning of fork.<br>
+              <br>
+            </div>
+            My dictionary gives "分叉" as the translation of fork, do you
+            think this word is also not quite right?
+          </div>
+          <br>
+          _______________________________________________<br>
+          Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss"
+            target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      Don't you have a tool in agriculture that is used to handle the
+      hay? It is called "<font size="2">Pitchfork", look here: <a
+          moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork</a>.
+        Could it be an alternative? I think this is the origin to the
+        verb "fork" somehow.</font><br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Any news about this chinese translation?<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Jéjé <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeje-mageia@sfr.fr">jeje-mageia@sfr.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve got an idea for a logo, but unfortunately not the skills to do it :( Maybe the theme could interest someone that got them.<br>
+So I thought to a stylish phoenix :<br>
+- it&#39;s a magical bird, so that symbolize well mageia<br>
+- mageia could be called a rebirth<br>
+- the theme of a magical bird is present in a lot of cultures (persian, chinese, south-american ...)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Cheers.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Firebird, Thunderbird have it...<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:05 AM, Jéjé <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeje-mageia@sfr.fr">jeje-mageia@sfr.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve got an idea for a logo, but unfortunately not the skills to do it :( Maybe the theme could interest someone that got them.<br>
+So I thought to a stylish phoenix :<br>
+- it&#39;s a magical bird, so that symbolize well mageia<br>
+- mageia could be called a rebirth<br>
+- the theme of a magical bird is present in a lot of cultures (persian, chinese, south-american ...)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Cheers.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_______________________________________________<br>
+Mageia-discuss mailing list<br>
+<a href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>
+<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Firebird, Thunderbird have it...<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/25 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com" target="_blank">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS &lt;<a href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; First, my English is not good but I try<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better<br>
+&gt; if it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div></div>Me too.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Agree, especially chrystal clear sounds fresh, like new beginnings.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/25 Mihai Dobrescu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:msdobrescu@gmail.com">msdobrescu@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com" target="_blank">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS &lt;<a href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com" target="_blank">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; First, my English is not good but I try<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better<br>
+&gt; if it were completely different and a crystal environment.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div></div>Me too.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Agree, especially chrystal clear sounds fresh, like new beginnings.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Mandriva&#39;s distro has big potential but not used. Some minor (sometimes even basic) corrections and modifications, and a real communication effort (when it is told about Linux in general Press thee is only one name...) could make it a leader in terms of popularity (not in term of business).<br>
+
+Will it be the case with Mageia?<br></blockquote></div><br>I totally agree to that and I hope Mageia will make this happen.<br><br>But I also agree that at this time Mageia has to saddle as a fork, structures have to be build, etc.<br>
+<br>Plus, we wouldn&#39;t use Mandriva if we don&#39;t like the way it works. So no need to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like that <br><br>My dream would be a very User and Admin friendly Disto<br>
+<br>One Installer CD for Desktop Dualarch - metapacks for the desktop env <br>One Installer CD for a Serverversion inkl. LXDE + MMC-base and metapaks for some spezial apps inkl. the MMC modules (and pulse)<br>One Installer CD for a Virtualserver using f.e. OpenVZ and a MMC based webui and some community templates<br>
+<br>In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever imagine all with one Distro.<br><br>just my 5eurocent, <br><br>greetings from belgium, Sascha<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Mandriva&#39;s distro has big potential but not used. Some minor (sometimes even basic) corrections and modifications, and a real communication effort (when it is told about Linux in general Press thee is only one name...) could make it a leader in terms of popularity (not in term of business).<br>
+
+Will it be the case with Mageia?<br></blockquote></div><br>I totally agree to that and I hope Mageia will make this happen.<br><br>But I also agree that at this time Mageia has to saddle as a fork, structures have to be build, etc.<br>
+<br>Plus, we wouldn&#39;t use Mandriva if we don&#39;t like the way it works. So no need to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like that <br><br>My dream would be a very User and Admin friendly Disto<br>
+<br>One Installer CD for Desktop Dualarch - metapacks for the desktop env <br>One Installer CD for a Serverversion inkl. LXDE + MMC-base and metapaks for some spezial apps inkl. the MMC modules (and pulse)<br>One Installer CD for a Virtualserver using f.e. OpenVZ and a MMC based webui and some community templates<br>
+<br>In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever imagine all with one Distro.<br><br>just my 5eurocent, <br><br>greetings from belgium, Sascha<br>
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+    I've started using PCLinuxOS, so I've got some experience with
+    Synaptic and I like it, especially when it goes through and tells
+    you what else has to be installed when you do an upgrade/install.�
+    It can sit on top of urpmi (I think, since I can do manual installs
+    that show up in Synaptic also), so it makes a good add-on.<br>
+    <br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">---------------
+Lorne Schachter
+136 Washington Ave
+Edison, NJ 08817
+(732)819-9176
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lorne@isp.com">lorne@isp.com</a>
+</pre>
+    <br>
+    On 09/26/2010 03:22 PM, paulo ricardo wrote:
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+          the "Synaptic"!�</span><span title="" style="background-color:
+          rgb(255, 255, 255);">Synaptic began to be adopted in debian
+          systems, and these systems now exceed the mandriva!<br>
+          <br>
+        </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255,
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+          through Synaptic package manager and deploy a second interface
+          for users with less knowledge.</span></span> </blockquote>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    I've started using PCLinuxOS, so I've got some experience with
+    Synaptic and I like it, especially when it goes through and tells
+    you what else has to be installed when you do an upgrade/install.�
+    It can sit on top of urpmi (I think, since I can do manual installs
+    that show up in Synaptic also), so it makes a good add-on.<br>
+    <br>
+    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">---------------
+Lorne Schachter
+136 Washington Ave
+Edison, NJ 08817
+(732)819-9176
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:lorne@isp.com">lorne@isp.com</a>
+</pre>
+    <br>
+    On 09/26/2010 03:22 PM, paulo ricardo wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:SNT124-W31F473B5AA0A6E0BEB2B9A9F640@phx.gbl"
+      type="cite">
+      <style><!--
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+--></style>
+      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+        charset=ISO-8859-15">
+      <span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
+        arial,sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><span title=""
+          style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0,
+          0);">When the mandrake joined with Conectiva they will throw
+          away the package manager developed by the Brazilian company,
+          the "Synaptic"!�</span><span title="" style="background-color:
+          rgb(255, 255, 255);">Synaptic began to be adopted in debian
+          systems, and these systems now exceed the mandriva!<br>
+          <br>
+        </span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255,
+          255);">We should keep the center of control over the exchange
+          through Synaptic package manager and deploy a second interface
+          for users with less knowledge.</span></span> </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+I think that the first release of Magia have that be like Madriva. Modifications can be implemented in future releases.<div><br></div><div>Adjamilton J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 Kristoffer Grundstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+  
+    
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if
+    possible)?<br>
+    <br>
+    .mageia ?<br>
+    <br>
+    Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:
+    <div><div></div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+<a href="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com" target="_blank">&lt;ravikumar17jan@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre>only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+i prefer apt and deb personally
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre> I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that
+deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what
+benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and
+urpmi?
+
+&gt;From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over
+the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the same.
+I don&#39;t believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any
+significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training
+devs and  creating a new build system.
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </div></div></div>
+
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+I think that the first release of Magia have that be like Madriva. Modifications can be implemented in future releases.<div><br></div><div>Adjamilton J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 Kristoffer Grundstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+  
+    
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if
+    possible)?<br>
+    <br>
+    .mageia ?<br>
+    <br>
+    Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:
+    <div><div></div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+<a href="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com" target="_blank">&lt;ravikumar17jan@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre>only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+i prefer apt and deb personally
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre> I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that
+deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what
+benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and
+urpmi?
+
+&gt;From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over
+the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the same.
+I don&#39;t believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any
+significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training
+devs and  creating a new build system.
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </div></div></div>
+
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br></div>
+<br>
+Lets see again what features had made us like linux in the first place:<br>
+ - It used to be light and fast. (not like KDE4 or win Vista)<br>
+ - It used to be able to run for months, even years without a crash or need to<br>
+reboot.. (not like knotify4 and pulseaudio)<br>
+ - It used to do all the things we wanted, with plethora of tools (not like<br>
+Gnome or Apple)<br>
+ - It used to allow us to configure either through gui tools, or through<br>
+cmdline and text files (not like the modern &quot;desktop&quot; trends).<br>
+ - It could connect to the network without the need of a GUI server/client<br>
+(not like networkmanager)<br>
+ - It was free from closed-source applications (not like Android)<br>
+ - It had allowed us to have a continuous desktop (+home) for many years,<br>
+including all the software upgrades, without need to format our disks every 6<br>
+months (not like Ubuntu or some KDE4 apps).<br>
+
+<font color="#888888"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></font></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with this list and i&#39;d like to add also:</div>
+<div>- Dont hide the root (with sudo commands etc)</div><div>:)</div><div> </div></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br></div>
+<br>
+Lets see again what features had made us like linux in the first place:<br>
+ - It used to be light and fast. (not like KDE4 or win Vista)<br>
+ - It used to be able to run for months, even years without a crash or need to<br>
+reboot.. (not like knotify4 and pulseaudio)<br>
+ - It used to do all the things we wanted, with plethora of tools (not like<br>
+Gnome or Apple)<br>
+ - It used to allow us to configure either through gui tools, or through<br>
+cmdline and text files (not like the modern &quot;desktop&quot; trends).<br>
+ - It could connect to the network without the need of a GUI server/client<br>
+(not like networkmanager)<br>
+ - It was free from closed-source applications (not like Android)<br>
+ - It had allowed us to have a continuous desktop (+home) for many years,<br>
+including all the software upgrades, without need to format our disks every 6<br>
+months (not like Ubuntu or some KDE4 apps).<br>
+
+<font color="#888888"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></font></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with this list and i&#39;d like to add also:</div>
+<div>- Dont hide the root (with sudo commands etc)</div><div>:)</div><div> </div></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+I like of .deb packages. I use it. But like say in brazil &quot;in team that win don&#39;t change&quot;.<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 26 de setembro de 2010 17:28, Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+I believe that past and present Mandriva users would not want change your package format.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_____________________________________________________________<br>
+Washington DC&#39;s Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <a href="http://www.DCemail.com" target="_blank">http://www.DCemail.com</a> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<br>
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+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+I like of .deb packages. I use it. But like say in brazil &quot;in team that win don&#39;t change&quot;.<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 26 de setembro de 2010 17:28, Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+I believe that past and present Mandriva users would not want change your package format.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+_____________________________________________________________<br>
+Washington DC&#39;s Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <a href="http://www.DCemail.com" target="_blank">http://www.DCemail.com</a> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;<br>
+<a href="http://www.DCpages.com" target="_blank">http://www.DCpages.com</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 J�r�me Martin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@delaur.net" target="_blank">mageia@delaur.net</a>&gt;</span><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><br>
+</div>Why don&#39;t you post this an aufml mailing list ?<br><br></blockquote></div><div>Because it concern the two parties, and not only aufml</div><div>But, off course, aufml is the first, trough irc, to have link�</div>
+<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div>to be complete and close this thread, you may have seen than an official announce has been added at �<a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org/</a></div><div>by goom : <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/node/850">http://mandrivafr.org/node/850</a></div>
+<div><br></div></div>@++<div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/24 J�r�me Martin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@delaur.net" target="_blank">mageia@delaur.net</a>&gt;</span><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><br>
+</div>Why don&#39;t you post this an aufml mailing list ?<br><br></blockquote></div><div>Because it concern the two parties, and not only aufml</div><div>But, off course, aufml is the first, trough irc, to have link�</div>
+<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div>to be complete and close this thread, you may have seen than an official announce has been added at �<a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org/</a></div><div>by goom : <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/node/850">http://mandrivafr.org/node/850</a></div>
+<div><br></div></div>@++<div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 26/09/2010 20:29, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div class="im"><br>
+          </div>
+          <br>
+          Lets see again what features had made us like linux in the
+          first place:<br>
+           - It used to be light and fast. (not like KDE4 or win Vista)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    I also agree and left KDE for gnome when kde4 arrrised<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It used to be able to run for months, even years without a
+          crash or need to<br>
+          reboot.. (not like knotify4 and pulseaudio)<br>
+           - It used to do all the things we wanted, with plethora of
+          tools (not like<br>
+          Gnome or Apple)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Why ? I can do whatever I want with Gnome, and customise it; it can
+    be improved though.<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It used to allow us to configure either through gui tools,
+          or through<br>
+          cmdline and text files (not like the modern "desktop" trends).<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Gnome does , LXDE does, xfce does, fvwm did not (through gui). And
+    since you have access to command line you can do whatever you want.<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It could connect to the network without the need of a GUI
+          server/client<br>
+          (not like networkmanager)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    It is still the case (for ethernet)<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It was free from closed-source applications (not like
+          Android)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Mandriva free is so<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It had allowed us to have a continuous desktop (+home) for
+          many years,<br>
+          including all the software upgrades, without need to format
+          our disks every 6<br>
+          months (not like Ubuntu or some KDE4 apps).<br>
+          <font color="#888888"><font class="Apple-style-span"
+              color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span"
+                color="#888888"><br>
+              </font></font></font></blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>I agree with this list and i'd like to add also:</div>
+        <div>- Dont hide the root (with sudo commands etc)</div>
+        <div>:)</div>
+        <div> </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    I prefer su <br>
+    <br>
+    But you are talking of LInux, and don't forget that Mageia is a fork
+    of Mandriva, and don't forget the initial spirit of Mandriva: if
+    Mageia has been choosen as a name, it means that il will keep
+    Mandrake's spirit? no?<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">-- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    Le 26/09/2010 20:29, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div class="im"><br>
+          </div>
+          <br>
+          Lets see again what features had made us like linux in the
+          first place:<br>
+           - It used to be light and fast. (not like KDE4 or win Vista)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    I also agree and left KDE for gnome when kde4 arrrised<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It used to be able to run for months, even years without a
+          crash or need to<br>
+          reboot.. (not like knotify4 and pulseaudio)<br>
+           - It used to do all the things we wanted, with plethora of
+          tools (not like<br>
+          Gnome or Apple)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Why ? I can do whatever I want with Gnome, and customise it; it can
+    be improved though.<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It used to allow us to configure either through gui tools,
+          or through<br>
+          cmdline and text files (not like the modern "desktop" trends).<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Gnome does , LXDE does, xfce does, fvwm did not (through gui). And
+    since you have access to command line you can do whatever you want.<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It could connect to the network without the need of a GUI
+          server/client<br>
+          (not like networkmanager)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    It is still the case (for ethernet)<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It was free from closed-source applications (not like
+          Android)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Mandriva free is so<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+           - It had allowed us to have a continuous desktop (+home) for
+          many years,<br>
+          including all the software upgrades, without need to format
+          our disks every 6<br>
+          months (not like Ubuntu or some KDE4 apps).<br>
+          <font color="#888888"><font class="Apple-style-span"
+              color="#000000"><font class="Apple-style-span"
+                color="#888888"><br>
+              </font></font></font></blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>I agree with this list and i'd like to add also:</div>
+        <div>- Dont hide the root (with sudo commands etc)</div>
+        <div>:)</div>
+        <div> </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    I prefer su <br>
+    <br>
+    But you are talking of LInux, and don't forget that Mageia is a fork
+    of Mandriva, and don't forget the initial spirit of Mandriva: if
+    Mageia has been choosen as a name, it means that il will keep
+    Mandrake's spirit? no?<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikNgNaEc4T8F7eft4OQRib-dTo_yzXggFOWYAet@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">-- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Until now, my favorite is this one :</div><div><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art</a></div>
+<div> </div></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Until now, my favorite is this one :</div><div><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art</a></div>
+<div> </div></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<html>
+<head>
+<style><!--
+.hmmessage P
+{
+margin:0px;
+padding:0px
+}
+body.hmmessage
+{
+font-size: 10pt;
+font-family:Tahoma
+}
+--></style>
+</head>
+<body class='hmmessage'>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">When the mandrake joined with Conectiva they will throw away the package manager developed by the Brazilian company, the "Synaptic"!&nbsp;</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Synaptic began to be adopted in debian systems, and these systems now exceed the mandriva!<br><br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We should keep the center of control over the exchange through Synaptic package manager and deploy a second interface for users with less knowledge.</span></span> 		 	   		  </body>
+</html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<head>
+<style><!--
+.hmmessage P
+{
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+font-family:Tahoma
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+--></style>
+</head>
+<body class='hmmessage'>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">When the mandrake joined with Conectiva they will throw away the package manager developed by the Brazilian company, the "Synaptic"!&nbsp;</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Synaptic began to be adopted in debian systems, and these systems now exceed the mandriva!<br><br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We should keep the center of control over the exchange through Synaptic package manager and deploy a second interface for users with less knowledge.</span></span> 		 	   		  </body>
+</html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if
+    possible)?<br>
+    <br>
+    .mageia ?<br>
+    <br>
+    Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikB4oW2kPvk4Zsxyg4nZ2H1FmHHwWtAn=NRq_eG@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com">&lt;ravikumar17jan@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+i prefer apt and deb personally
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap=""> I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that
+deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what
+benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and
+urpmi?
+
+&gt;From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over
+the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the same.
+I don't believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any
+significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training
+devs and  creating a new build system.
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if
+    possible)?<br>
+    <br>
+    .mageia ?<br>
+    <br>
+    Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTikB4oW2kPvk4Zsxyg4nZ2H1FmHHwWtAn=NRq_eG@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com">&lt;ravikumar17jan@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+i prefer apt and deb personally
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap=""> I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that
+deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what
+benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and
+urpmi?
+
+&gt;From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over
+the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the same.
+I don't believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any
+significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training
+devs and  creating a new build system.
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br>2010/9/26 Kristoffer Grundstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if
+    possible)?<br>
+    <br>
+    .mageia ?<br>
+    <br>
+    [...]</div></blockquote><div>�</div></div>Creating a new format is not that easy (though not impossible). Current .rpm or .deb are package formats which started development several years ago. Consider also that switching to another package format would require re-training for the packagers who might be be used to the .spec file only.<br>
+<br>From technical point of view we have to distinguish the package format, which might be .deb, or .rpm from the package frontends (apt, urpmi, yum, emerge, etc.) which retrieves packages and their dependency packages from the repositories. Actually even on mandriva, some alternative frontend to urpmi can be used (IIRC there is &quot;smart&quot;). Speaking about frontends, I had the &quot;feeling&quot; that apt bundled with .deb was a little bit faster than urpmi+rpm, especially on global upgrades of a whole distro on not so new hardware (e.g. an i586...), i.e. upgrading for instance from a mandriva 2010.0 to a 2010.1 or from a ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10. But maybe it&#39;s because .deb is doing fewer checks on files, dunno. Remaining on the .rpm world, the bundle urpmi+rpm seems to me also faster than yum+rpm.<br>
+<br>IMHO it could be also taken under advisement the rpm5 format (<a href="http://www.rpm5.org">http://www.rpm5.org</a>), that someone already cited for mandriva some time ago. IIRC it should be faster than rpm4, and would allow parallel package installation.<br>
+<br>If comparisons should be made for a decision, maybe on the wiki it could be added a table with the basic features of such tools (e.g. performance, LSB compliance, coerency, update, docs, compression, etc.), and the advantage of switching to a new one or a missed feature.<br>
+<br>G.<br><br>
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+<br>2010/9/26 Kristoffer Grundstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+    
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if
+    possible)?<br>
+    <br>
+    .mageia ?<br>
+    <br>
+    [...]</div></blockquote><div>�</div></div>Creating a new format is not that easy (though not impossible). Current .rpm or .deb are package formats which started development several years ago. Consider also that switching to another package format would require re-training for the packagers who might be be used to the .spec file only.<br>
+<br>From technical point of view we have to distinguish the package format, which might be .deb, or .rpm from the package frontends (apt, urpmi, yum, emerge, etc.) which retrieves packages and their dependency packages from the repositories. Actually even on mandriva, some alternative frontend to urpmi can be used (IIRC there is &quot;smart&quot;). Speaking about frontends, I had the &quot;feeling&quot; that apt bundled with .deb was a little bit faster than urpmi+rpm, especially on global upgrades of a whole distro on not so new hardware (e.g. an i586...), i.e. upgrading for instance from a mandriva 2010.0 to a 2010.1 or from a ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10. But maybe it&#39;s because .deb is doing fewer checks on files, dunno. Remaining on the .rpm world, the bundle urpmi+rpm seems to me also faster than yum+rpm.<br>
+<br>IMHO it could be also taken under advisement the rpm5 format (<a href="http://www.rpm5.org">http://www.rpm5.org</a>), that someone already cited for mandriva some time ago. IIRC it should be faster than rpm4, and would allow parallel package installation.<br>
+<br>If comparisons should be made for a decision, maybe on the wiki it could be added a table with the basic features of such tools (e.g. performance, LSB compliance, coerency, update, docs, compression, etc.), and the advantage of switching to a new one or a missed feature.<br>
+<br>G.<br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Morgan Leijstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Den 2010-09-26 18:58:22 skrev Wolfgang Bornath:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Right now I&#39;m using googlemail with the mailing lists and it is<br>
+&gt; getting more chaotic every hour.<br>
+<br>
+Never tried googlemail so I am not sure what is chaotic.<br>
+However, i say:<br></blockquote><div>�<br>[...]<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<font color="#888888">
+/Morgan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br>As already said several on this same Mailing List : <b>please don&#39;t break the threads !<br></b><br>Thank you on behalf of people who try to read the incredible number of email which arrives on this list...<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>DjeZAeL / Elodie<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Morgan Leijstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Den 2010-09-26 18:58:22 skrev Wolfgang Bornath:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Right now I&#39;m using googlemail with the mailing lists and it is<br>
+&gt; getting more chaotic every hour.<br>
+<br>
+Never tried googlemail so I am not sure what is chaotic.<br>
+However, i say:<br></blockquote><div>�<br>[...]<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<font color="#888888">
+/Morgan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br>As already said several on this same Mailing List : <b>please don&#39;t break the threads !<br></b><br>Thank you on behalf of people who try to read the incredible number of email which arrives on this list...<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>DjeZAeL / Elodie<br>
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+<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><a href="http://mageia-se.org">http://mageia-se.org</a> is now online.<div>Its far from finished but some of the members on <a href="http://mandriva-se.org">mandriva-se.org</a> has been pushing me to get something up around mageia instead.</div><div>The base of the site is buddypress with a few modifications and i'll add a few more patches soon but the main thought of the site</div><div>is to offer the social aspect since i know thats something many users have missed on other community-sites i've been running.</div><div><br></div><div>Hows the work coming along for the official Mageia website?</div><div><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div><div>----</div><div><br></div><div>Betygs�tt g�rna mitt mail!</div><div><a href="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</a></div><div><br></div><div>----</div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Best Regards / V�nligen ,</div><div><br></div><div>Stockholm Next Generation Web</div><div>David V. Wallin</div><div>+46 (0)8 4100 39 82</div><div><a href="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</a></div><div><a href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span>
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+<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><a href="http://mageia-se.org">http://mageia-se.org</a> is now online.<div>Its far from finished but some of the members on <a href="http://mandriva-se.org">mandriva-se.org</a> has been pushing me to get something up around mageia instead.</div><div>The base of the site is buddypress with a few modifications and i'll add a few more patches soon but the main thought of the site</div><div>is to offer the social aspect since i know thats something many users have missed on other community-sites i've been running.</div><div><br></div><div>Hows the work coming along for the official Mageia website?</div><div><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div><div>----</div><div><br></div><div>Betygs�tt g�rna mitt mail!</div><div><a href="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</a></div><div><br></div><div>----</div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Best Regards / V�nligen ,</div><div><br></div><div>Stockholm Next Generation Web</div><div>David V. Wallin</div><div>+46 (0)8 4100 39 82</div><div><a href="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</a></div><div><a href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span>
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+Le 27/09/2010 10:10, Jean-Fran&ccedil;ois BELLANGER a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote cite="mid:245081.77799.qm@web27305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style>
+  <div
+ style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
+  <div>Pour moi cette id&eacute;e est tous sauf d&eacute;bile, d'ailleurs j'avais
+fait la m&ecirc;me reflexion il y a 2 ans dans les ideas mandriva.<br>
+  <br>
+Le principe existe dans un sens (rpm ---&gt; deb) par le truchement de
+"alien" pourquoi ne pas le faire dans l'autre sens et allez plus loin
+en int&eacute;grant nativement le proc&eacute;d&eacute; &agrave; la distro.<br>
+  <br>
+Je ne crois qu'un utilisateur n&eacute;ophite ce pose la question de savoir si
+il doit utiliser un paquet rpm ou deb ou truc venu de l'espace.....<br>
+  <br>
+PS : J'ai d'ailleurs fais la m&ecirc;me reflexion vis &agrave; vis de wine qui pour
+moi devrait &ecirc;tre fondu dans la distro pour prendre en charge les .exe
+car une fois de plus l'utilisateur lambda (comme beaucoup des profs et
+&eacute;l&egrave;ves que je cotoie) se fiche du nom du syt&egrave;me. Ils veulent que se
+soit beau et que sa fonctionne sans avoir a y passer des heures en
+documentation et essai.&nbsp; PEUT ON LEUR EN VOULOIR ???<br>
+  <br>
+Donc pour moi +1 :-)<br>
+  </div>
+  <br>
+  </div>
+</blockquote>
+As said before, please : <br>
+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; use the langage chose for the list (english here)<br>
+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; do not top-post<br>
+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remove non-pertinent parts of the previous message <br>
+<br>
+Thank you <br>
+<br>
+Marianne / Jehane<br>
+<br>
+<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team 
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+</pre>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Le 27/09/2010 10:10, Jean-Fran&ccedil;ois BELLANGER a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote cite="mid:245081.77799.qm@web27305.mail.ukl.yahoo.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style>
+  <div
+ style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">
+  <div>Pour moi cette id&eacute;e est tous sauf d&eacute;bile, d'ailleurs j'avais
+fait la m&ecirc;me reflexion il y a 2 ans dans les ideas mandriva.<br>
+  <br>
+Le principe existe dans un sens (rpm ---&gt; deb) par le truchement de
+"alien" pourquoi ne pas le faire dans l'autre sens et allez plus loin
+en int&eacute;grant nativement le proc&eacute;d&eacute; &agrave; la distro.<br>
+  <br>
+Je ne crois qu'un utilisateur n&eacute;ophite ce pose la question de savoir si
+il doit utiliser un paquet rpm ou deb ou truc venu de l'espace.....<br>
+  <br>
+PS : J'ai d'ailleurs fais la m&ecirc;me reflexion vis &agrave; vis de wine qui pour
+moi devrait &ecirc;tre fondu dans la distro pour prendre en charge les .exe
+car une fois de plus l'utilisateur lambda (comme beaucoup des profs et
+&eacute;l&egrave;ves que je cotoie) se fiche du nom du syt&egrave;me. Ils veulent que se
+soit beau et que sa fonctionne sans avoir a y passer des heures en
+documentation et essai.&nbsp; PEUT ON LEUR EN VOULOIR ???<br>
+  <br>
+Donc pour moi +1 :-)<br>
+  </div>
+  <br>
+  </div>
+</blockquote>
+As said before, please : <br>
+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; use the langage chose for the list (english here)<br>
+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; do not top-post<br>
+&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remove non-pertinent parts of the previous message <br>
+<br>
+Thank you <br>
+<br>
+Marianne / Jehane<br>
+<br>
+<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team 
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
+</pre>
+</body>
+</html>
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+&lt;IMHO&gt;<br>There is no perfect tool as there is no real reason to switch from .rpm to .deb or viceversa.<br>I have always wondered, though there are many open source projects free to derive or contribute, why people prefer to make it again and again from scratch?<br>
+There are some issues in any, but we could also find at least two suitable for our needs.<br>Let&#39;s polish existent tools until they fit our needs.<br>urpmi is good enough. Let&#39;s fix it where is wrong, let&#39;s add new features when needed.<br>
+Alternately, let contribute with some other tools until they are accepted, if they are worthy, they&#39;ll be.<br>Let&#39;s focus on real problems. There is no distro yet, let&#39;s find what we expect from the new one. Let&#39;s do it.<br>
+We need to forget about fashion if there are no real arguments to change something.<br>If something is not broken, don&#39;t fix it.<br>&lt;/IMHO&gt;<br><br>
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+&lt;IMHO&gt;<br>There is no perfect tool as there is no real reason to switch from .rpm to .deb or viceversa.<br>I have always wondered, though there are many open source projects free to derive or contribute, why people prefer to make it again and again from scratch?<br>
+There are some issues in any, but we could also find at least two suitable for our needs.<br>Let&#39;s polish existent tools until they fit our needs.<br>urpmi is good enough. Let&#39;s fix it where is wrong, let&#39;s add new features when needed.<br>
+Alternately, let contribute with some other tools until they are accepted, if they are worthy, they&#39;ll be.<br>Let&#39;s focus on real problems. There is no distro yet, let&#39;s find what we expect from the new one. Let&#39;s do it.<br>
+We need to forget about fashion if there are no real arguments to change something.<br>If something is not broken, don&#39;t fix it.<br>&lt;/IMHO&gt;<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/27 Juan Carlos de la Cruz &lt;<a href="mailto:pcboltzmann@gmail.com">pcboltzmann@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Hi!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve observed that the Mageia project&#39;s donations page<br>
+&gt; (<a href="http://donation.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://donation.mageia.org/</a>) has currently been translated to most of the<br>
+&gt; languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language? If you are<br>
+&gt; so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an<br>
+</div></div>&gt; attached html file? contribution<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s ok. Thanks for you<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Here you are! <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+-------<br>
+<font color="#888888">Anne<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/9/27 Juan Carlos de la Cruz &lt;<a href="mailto:pcboltzmann@gmail.com">pcboltzmann@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Hi!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve observed that the Mageia project&#39;s donations page<br>
+&gt; (<a href="http://donation.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://donation.mageia.org/</a>) has currently been translated to most of the<br>
+&gt; languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language? If you are<br>
+&gt; so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an<br>
+</div></div>&gt; attached html file? contribution<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s ok. Thanks for you<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Here you are! <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+-------<br>
+<font color="#888888">Anne<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
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+    27.09.2010 00:29, atilla ontas kirjutas:<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=e7QpumfbCMOJ7e06_u3u4dBwyST+N0rxb20sU@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">INsteadf cussing rpm or deb package formats w should consider to use
+apt-rpm like PclinuxOs does. Using synaptic and apt wolud be wonderful
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey,<br>
+      <br>
+      can you please stop this deb vs rpm battle. urpm* is one of the
+      reasons why Mandriva is what it is, it's a brilliant tool and @
+      command line it kicks apt's butt. Dropping urpm* would be
+      pointless and i'm quite sure it won't happen. So please stop
+      filling my mailbox ;)<br>
+      <br>
+      --<br>
+      Sander <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    27.09.2010 00:29, atilla ontas kirjutas:<br>
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=e7QpumfbCMOJ7e06_u3u4dBwyST+N0rxb20sU@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">INsteadf cussing rpm or deb package formats w should consider to use
+apt-rpm like PclinuxOs does. Using synaptic and apt wolud be wonderful
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">Hey,<br>
+      <br>
+      can you please stop this deb vs rpm battle. urpm* is one of the
+      reasons why Mandriva is what it is, it's a brilliant tool and @
+      command line it kicks apt's butt. Dropping urpm* would be
+      pointless and i'm quite sure it won't happen. So please stop
+      filling my mailbox ;)<br>
+      <br>
+      --<br>
+      Sander <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    27.09.2010 15:48, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI kirjutas:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:201009270848.59411.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Dare I offer a suggestion aimed at those listers who speak/write little 
+English: could it be all right for them to post their best effort in English, 
+_and_ also post in their native language ?
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I don't think it's a good
+      idea. Bad english is still better than another language that i
+      don't understand at all.<br>
+      <br>
+      --<br>
+      Sander<br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    27.09.2010 15:48, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI kirjutas:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:201009270848.59411.renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Dare I offer a suggestion aimed at those listers who speak/write little 
+English: could it be all right for them to post their best effort in English, 
+_and_ also post in their native language ?
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif">I don't think it's a good
+      idea. Bad english is still better than another language that i
+      don't understand at all.<br>
+      <br>
+      --<br>
+      Sander<br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hi!<br><br>I&#39;ve observed that the Mageia project&#39;s donations page (<a href="http://donation.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://donation.mageia.org/</a>) has currently been translated to most of the languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.<br>
+
+<br>Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language? If 
+you are so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an attached html file?<br><br>Cheers
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+Hi!<br><br>I&#39;ve observed that the Mageia project&#39;s donations page (<a href="http://donation.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://donation.mageia.org/</a>) has currently been translated to most of the languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.<br>
+
+<br>Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language? If 
+you are so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an attached html file?<br><br>Cheers
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Stop this discussion that is useless, please.<br>
+<div><div></div><div><br>
+--<br>
+Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+(<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div>Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.<br></blockquote><div><br>With all the respect, but I don&#39;t like this tone of shutting up people, who might have a less technical skills, especially in a phase of brainstorming where everyone show entusiasm on partecipating even with the most crazy idea, and also because the trolling level has not yet been reached. Sometimes a brilliant idea might come or be inspired even from the most dumbest suggestion.<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Stop this discussion that is useless, please.<br>
+<div><div></div><div><br>
+--<br>
+Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+(<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div>Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.<br></blockquote><div><br>With all the respect, but I don&#39;t like this tone of shutting up people, who might have a less technical skills, especially in a phase of brainstorming where everyone show entusiasm on partecipating even with the most crazy idea, and also because the trolling level has not yet been reached. Sometimes a brilliant idea might come or be inspired even from the most dumbest suggestion.<br>
+<br>Bye<br>Giuseppe.<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:schneider@zawm.be">schneider@zawm.be</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I totally agree to that and I hope Mageia will make this happen.<br><br>But I also agree that at this time Mageia has to saddle as a fork, structures have to be build, etc.<br>
+<br>Plus, we wouldn&#39;t use Mandriva if we don&#39;t like the way it works. So no need to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like that <br><br>My dream would be a very User and Admin friendly Disto<br>
+
+<br>One Installer CD for Desktop Dualarch - metapacks for the desktop env <br>One Installer CD for a Serverversion inkl. LXDE + MMC-base and metapaks for some spezial apps inkl. the MMC modules (and pulse)<br>One Installer CD for a Virtualserver using f.e. OpenVZ and a MMC based webui and some community templates<br>
+
+<br>In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever imagine all with one Distro.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s very, very near of my own vision for a &quot;perfect&quot; Linux OS. We have the big advantage that everything yet still not done. And we count with tools (delta-rpms, metapackages) to build a core system with &quot;add-ons&quot; (like server packages, desktop packages...) improving modularity and system organization.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>At the same time, i&#39;m aware that it can be a too big break from the mageia&#39;s origins (in the meaning of system&#39;s scheme and organization). So, if we can progressively drive mageia to this new scheme sounds reasonable too.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers.</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/26 Sascha Schneider <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:schneider@zawm.be">schneider@zawm.be</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I totally agree to that and I hope Mageia will make this happen.<br><br>But I also agree that at this time Mageia has to saddle as a fork, structures have to be build, etc.<br>
+<br>Plus, we wouldn&#39;t use Mandriva if we don&#39;t like the way it works. So no need to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like that <br><br>My dream would be a very User and Admin friendly Disto<br>
+
+<br>One Installer CD for Desktop Dualarch - metapacks for the desktop env <br>One Installer CD for a Serverversion inkl. LXDE + MMC-base and metapaks for some spezial apps inkl. the MMC modules (and pulse)<br>One Installer CD for a Virtualserver using f.e. OpenVZ and a MMC based webui and some community templates<br>
+
+<br>In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever imagine all with one Distro.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That&#39;s very, very near of my own vision for a &quot;perfect&quot; Linux OS. We have the big advantage that everything yet still not done. And we count with tools (delta-rpms, metapackages) to build a core system with &quot;add-ons&quot; (like server packages, desktop packages...) improving modularity and system organization.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>At the same time, i&#39;m aware that it can be a too big break from the mageia&#39;s origins (in the meaning of system&#39;s scheme and organization). So, if we can progressively drive mageia to this new scheme sounds reasonable too.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers.</div></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body text="#000066" bgcolor="#33ccff">
+Le 25/09/2010 15:55, Farfouille a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DFF34.9040100@free.fr" type="cite">
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+Le 25/09/2010 14:49, Cassian Braconnnier a écrit :
+  <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite">
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely meaningless.<br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite"> <br>
+C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <br>
+Sorry to contradict you but no there are not, C++ has direct pointer
+manipulation, no garbage collector, no introspection and no annotation.<br>
+  <br>
+Sorry also for the ML, because this turn to be a technical discussion.<br>
+</blockquote>
+I am afraid I don't agree. Please read this thread (in French) on the
+subject :
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.developpez.net/forums/d979620/c-cpp/cpp/langage/t-sens-dire-java-langage-plus-niveau-cpp/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/d979620/c-cpp/cpp/langage/t-sens-dire-java-langage-plus-niveau-cpp/</a><br>
+However I agree this is too much of a technical issue to be discussed
+on the list.<br>
+Cheers.<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body text="#000066" bgcolor="#33ccff">
+Le 25/09/2010 15:55, Farfouille a écrit :
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C9DFF34.9040100@free.fr" type="cite">
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+Le 25/09/2010 14:49, Cassian Braconnnier a écrit :
+  <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite">
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+To say that Java is "higher level" than C++ is absolutely meaningless.<br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <blockquote cite="mid:4C9DEFC0.40107@free.fr" type="cite"> <br>
+C++ is on a par with Java as far as "level" is concerned.<br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <br>
+Sorry to contradict you but no there are not, C++ has direct pointer
+manipulation, no garbage collector, no introspection and no annotation.<br>
+  <br>
+Sorry also for the ML, because this turn to be a technical discussion.<br>
+</blockquote>
+I am afraid I don't agree. Please read this thread (in French) on the
+subject :
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.developpez.net/forums/d979620/c-cpp/cpp/langage/t-sens-dire-java-langage-plus-niveau-cpp/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/d979620/c-cpp/cpp/langage/t-sens-dire-java-langage-plus-niveau-cpp/</a><br>
+However I agree this is too much of a technical issue to be discussed
+on the list.<br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Pour moi cette id�e est tous sauf d�bile, d'ailleurs j'avais fait la m�me reflexion il y a 2 ans dans les ideas mandriva.<br><br>Le principe existe dans un sens (rpm ---&gt; deb) par le truchement de "alien" pourquoi ne pas le faire dans l'autre sens et allez plus loin en int�grant nativement le proc�d� � la distro.<br><br>Je ne crois qu'un utilisateur n�ophite ce pose la question de savoir si il doit utiliser un paquet rpm ou deb ou truc venu de l'espace.....<br><br>PS : J'ai d'ailleurs fais la m�me reflexion vis � vis de wine qui pour moi devrait �tre fondu dans la distro pour prendre en charge les .exe car une fois de plus l'utilisateur lambda (comme beaucoup des profs et �l�ves que je cotoie) se fiche du nom du syt�me. Ils veulent que se soit beau et que sa fonctionne sans
+ avoir a y passer des heures en documentation et essai.&nbsp; PEUT ON LEUR EN VOULOIR ???<br><br>Donc pour moi +1 :-)<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De :</span></b> "mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" &lt;mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">� :</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoy� le :</span></b> Lun 27 septembre 2010, 3h 15min 31s<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 191<br></font><br>Send Mageia-discuss mailing list submissions to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or
+ unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Mageia-discuss digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>&nbsp;  1. Re: rpm or deb? (Lucien-Henry Horvath)<br>&nbsp;  2. Re: Mageia's strategy (Frank Griffin)<br>&nbsp;  3. Re: Mageia's strategy (vfmBOFH)<br>&nbsp;  4. Mageia
+ with Synaptic (paulo ricardo)<br>&nbsp;  5. Re: rpm or deb? (Tux99)<br>&nbsp;  6. Re: Mageia with Synaptic (Tux99)<br>&nbsp;  7. Mageia Developer Version/Edition? (Ireneusz Gierlach)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:40:44 +0200<br>From: Lucien-Henry Horvath &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:tempo2@marneau.eu" href="mailto:tempo2@marneau.eu">tempo2@marneau.eu</a>&gt;<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:4C9FCBEC.106@marneau.eu" href="mailto:4C9FCBEC.106@marneau.eu">4C9FCBEC.106@marneau.eu</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Hi, (en FR en-dessous)<br>My suggestion is a little crazy ...<br>With the new departure of this distro, perhaps is it a good idea to
+ <br>invent a sort of "unified managment" of DEV / RPM.<br>We start on urpmi, and add to urpmi the abilities to encapsulate apt-get ?<br>So just easy play " urpmi <a href="http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb" target="_blank">http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb</a>" ;-) <br>It's auto-manage dependencies and finaly, urpmi launch "apt-get install".<br>Is it technicaly possible ?<br>--<br>Bonjour (in EN up)<br>Ma suggestion suivante va para?tre d?bile, mais ...<br>En cr?ant une nouvelle distribution, ce serait peut-?tre une bonne id?e <br>d'inventer _enfin_ une sorte de "gestion unifi?e" des paquetages deb et rpm.<br>L'id?e est d'encapsuler apt-get dans urpmi.<br>Ainsi, on lance juste urpmi "URL/t?l?chargement/fichier.deb" et ?a g?re <br>tout seul les d?pendances.<br>Est-ce techniquement possible ?<br><br><br><br>Le 26/09/2010 23:55, Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela a ?crit :<br>&gt; I personally found no practical advantage of using apt-get vs
+ urpmi,<br>&gt; while apt has many nice features urpmi is also solid and works<br>&gt; perfectly in most common cases, the only problem you may have is with<br>&gt; malformed packages or with erroneous dependency information, in which<br>&gt; case the only advantage of apt-get is the fact that Debian takes a lot<br>&gt; of care of having correct and working packages, which most RPM based<br>&gt; distros does too (you may get problems with 3th party repos but that<br>&gt; is another problem).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Being a Mandriva fork we would logically stick with it's tools and<br>&gt; packaging system.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Regards,<br>&gt; Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kristoffer Grundstr?m<br>&gt; &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com" href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;&nbsp; wrote:<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; <br>&gt;&gt; Why not create
+ a new format with the best of both worlds (if possible)?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; .mageia ?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM<br>&gt;&gt; &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com" href="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com">ravikumar17jan@gmail.com</a>&gt;&nbsp; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages<br>&gt;&gt; i prefer apt and deb personally<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that<br>&gt;&gt; deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what<br>&gt;&gt; benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and<br>&gt;&gt; urpmi?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over<br>&gt;&gt; the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the
+ same.<br>&gt;&gt; I don't believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any<br>&gt;&gt; significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training<br>&gt;&gt; devs and&nbsp; creating a new build system.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; <br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:01:59 -0400<br>From: Frank Griffin &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:4C9FD0E7.8090001@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:4C9FD0E7.8090001@roadrunner.com">4C9FD0E7.8090001@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br><br>P. Christeas
+ wrote:<br>&gt; Let me rant in a rather non-polite tone:<br>&gt; why does *every* Linux distro have to be for Windows users?? Why does every <br>&gt; product need to be targeted at stupid people? (obvious answer: there is lots <br>&gt; of them)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;  <br>I think you have to separate "looking like Windows" from "implementing<br>as does Microsoft".&nbsp; One of the things MS does very well is user<br>interface design.&nbsp; What they *don't* do so well is implementation:<br>everything is done through the GUI, and MS oversimplifies by making<br>choices silently for the user without giving the user the option to<br>override.<br><br>We're not exactly innocent in this respect either.&nbsp; MDV tools are<br>excellent, but they need the closure of a full transparent CLI as well<br>as a GUI.&nbsp; Experts and administrators need to be able to provide<br>configuration through batch scripts.&nbsp; This is not the case in many<br>areas.&nbsp; I do a
+ large number of fresh installs intended to create a new<br>system configured as an existing system was, and it's really annoying to<br>boot for the first time and then have to invoke several GUIs to do<br>things like printer configuration, wireless configuration, and font<br>installation.<br><br>In many areas, we have lost track of the simple fact that a Graphical<br>User Interface should be just that - an *interface* to a modular and<br>independent non-graphical module which provides "business logic".&nbsp; It<br>should never be the only way to access the business logic.&nbsp; Hopefully,<br>free of Mandriva's corporate restrictions, we can achieve that now.<br><br>Another issue is choice.&nbsp; System tools have to provide a range of choice<br>suitable for both experts and newbies.&nbsp; While it is acceptable to choose<br>defaults that will work for newbies out of the box, it is not acceptable<br>to limit choices for everyone to those defaults.&nbsp;
+ We've done this on<br>more than one occasion, the most memorable one being to radically change<br>and lock down the application menu system and refuse to consider any<br>configuration options that would deviate from this.<br><br>Finally, there is transparency.&nbsp; MDV tools have in many cases extended<br>the standard Linux way of doing things in imaginative and useful ways. <br>What they don't do is document those ways so that admins and users used<br>to standard Linux&nbsp; ways can manually intervene or provide tool<br>extensions without extensive code reading.&nbsp; Also, there are many<br>portions of the toolset, e.g. disk partitioning, network sharing,<br>setting up VPNs, etc., which involve extremely intrusive and possibly<br>destructive operations.&nbsp; All such tools need to have an option, not<br>necessarily the default, to display to the user a detailed list of<br>changes that the tool proposes to make, and prompt for approval. <br><br>The
+ problem here is that advanced users and admins get understandably<br>scared when a tool proposes to do something that involves modifying<br>multiple critical configuration files or system resources without<br>providing the details of the changes so that they can be denied if<br>unwanted, or undone later if so desired.<br><br>An even better approach would be to have each configuration tool produce<br>a program-readable file describing actions it takes, much as RPMs<br>provide, so that the tool, or some general tool running on another<br>bootable system with access to the root partition of the affected system<br>could undo the changes.<br><br>I understand why these things were never done in the past. <br>Management/marketing (and perhaps even some devs) wanted the<br>windows-like newbie simplification, and didn't have the resources or the<br>desire to provide the closure of these features.&nbsp; I hope that we can<br>move past
+ this.<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 01:02:35 +0200<br>From: vfmBOFH &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com" href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTimGPtHi0ZUsVAbdYdTC5+<a ymailto="mailto:F15BXqAasV_tmyTVsp@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:F15BXqAasV_tmyTVsp@mail.gmail.com">F15BXqAasV_tmyTVsp@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>2010/9/26 Sascha Schneider &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:schneider@zawm.be" href="mailto:schneider@zawm.be">schneider@zawm.be</a>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I totally agree to that and I hope Mageia will make this happen.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; But I also agree that at this time Mageia has
+ to saddle as a fork,<br>&gt; structures have to be build, etc.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Plus, we wouldn't use Mandriva if we don't like the way it works. So no<br>&gt; need to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like<br>&gt; that<br>&gt;<br>&gt; My dream would be a very User and Admin friendly Disto<br>&gt;<br>&gt; One Installer CD for Desktop Dualarch - metapacks for the desktop env<br>&gt; One Installer CD for a Serverversion inkl. LXDE + MMC-base and metapaks for<br>&gt; some spezial apps inkl. the MMC modules (and pulse)<br>&gt; One Installer CD for a Virtualserver using f.e. OpenVZ and a MMC based<br>&gt; webui and some community templates<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of<br>&gt; home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever imagine<br>&gt; all with one Distro.<br>&gt;<br><br>That's very, very near of my own vision for a "perfect" Linux OS. We have<br>the
+ big advantage that everything yet still not done. And we count with<br>tools (delta-rpms, metapackages) to build a core system with "add-ons" (like<br>server packages, desktop packages...) improving modularity and system<br>organization.<br><br>At the same time, i'm aware that it can be a too big break from the mageia's<br>origins (in the meaning of system's scheme and organization). So, if we can<br>progressively drive mageia to this new scheme sounds reasonable too.<br><br>Cheers.<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100927/824696d2/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 03:01:29 +0300<br>From: paulo ricardo &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:paulo_ricardogo@hotmail.com" href="mailto:paulo_ricardogo@hotmail.com">paulo_ricardogo@hotmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a
+ ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:SNT124-W3FBA1BA8C0245C166EC709F650@phx.gbl" href="mailto:SNT124-W3FBA1BA8C0245C166EC709F650@phx.gbl">SNT124-W3FBA1BA8C0245C166EC709F650@phx.gbl</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br><br>I am not proposing to replace the "URPMI" by the "APT-RPM! I'm proposing we change the "Rpmdrake" with "Synaptic" and keeping the "URPMI!<br>The URPMI is very good, plus the "Rpmdrake" is horrible!<br><br>We discuss these things before the programming work to eat. We must define how the O.S should be! this discussion is important because the GUI package management directly influences the daily work in an OS!<br><br>My proposal is that we keep the rpm and urpmi! But substitute Rpmdrake by Synaptic, and creating a second interface aimed at users
+ with less knowledge. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp; <br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100927/c7111483/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 02:19:57 +0200 (CEST)<br>From: Tux99 &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org" href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?<br>Message-ID: &lt;Pine.LNX.4.44.1009270212430.9293-100000@outpost-priv&gt;<br>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII<br><br>On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela wrote:<br><br>&gt; Being a Mandriva fork
+ we would logically stick with it's tools and<br>&gt; packaging system.<br><br>Agreed, if we start questioning everything we might as well all go home.<br><br>Mandriva/Mageia are rpm distros and I would expect them to stay like <br>that otherwise we could just all use Debian or one of it's derivatives.<br><br>urpmi is at least as good as apt-get, if anyone finds that urpmi lacks a <br>feature that apt-get has, then please suggest it (not now, later when <br>Mageia is set up) so it can be considered to add that feature to urpmi, <br>but that's definitely not a reason to abandon urpmi.<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 02:56:24 +0200 (CEST)<br>From: Tux99 &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org" href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic<br>Message-ID: &lt;Pine.LNX.4.44.1009270248310.9293-100000@outpost-priv&gt;<br>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII<br><br>On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, paulo ricardo wrote:<br><br>&gt; <br>&gt; I am not proposing to replace the "URPMI" by the "APT-RPM! I'm<br>&gt; proposing we change the "Rpmdrake" with "Synaptic" and keeping the<br>&gt; "URPMI! The URPMI is very good, plus the "Rpmdrake" is horrible!<br><br>Instead of saying "rpmdrake is horrible", it would be more useful if you <br>list what you don't like so it can be improved. No tool is perfect, I'm <br>sure Synaptic has flaws to, so just switching to Synaptic only means <br>trading one set of flaws for another.<br><br>Personally I find rpmdrake works perfectly fine (the startup speed <br>could need improving though), it does all I need it to do (and I would <br>consider
+ myself an advanced user, since I have 15 years Linux experience <br>and work as a sysadmin) and then there are always the urpmi CLI tools as <br>alternative.<br><br>So lets stop wasting time by talking badly about all those things that <br>make Mandriva (and therefore Mageia) the great distro it is, and instead <br>lets concentrate on improving (rather than replacing) the tools of <br>Madriva/Mageia.<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:17:21 -0400<br>From: Ireneusz Gierlach &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:irek.gierlach@gmail.com" href="mailto:irek.gierlach@gmail.com">irek.gierlach@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:4C9FF0A1.6070704@gmail.com"
+ href="mailto:4C9FF0A1.6070704@gmail.com">4C9FF0A1.6070704@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>&nbsp; I just thought of this, and I have never seen that done, so I'm not <br>sure how it would (if) work exactly.<br>I was thinking about creating a specific version of the OS that would <br>consist of all development tools required to build packages, develop <br>components, etc. This would provide the same environment for all <br>developers, and help in bug fixing, as they would all have the same <br>packages (by default, I was also thinking about implementing a better <br>version of Mandriva's Package Stats with an ability to input a list of <br>packages [from the bug reporter] so the tester can automatically <br>download the same versions). It is just a thought, but I would love to <br>see something like this implemented. I want to see what you guys think <br>of this too ;) (I'm trying to create something
+ like this but not for OS <br>but for a framework, so I want to see some opinions.)<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br><br>End of Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 191<br>**********************************************<br></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Pour moi cette id�e est tous sauf d�bile, d'ailleurs j'avais fait la m�me reflexion il y a 2 ans dans les ideas mandriva.<br><br>Le principe existe dans un sens (rpm ---&gt; deb) par le truchement de "alien" pourquoi ne pas le faire dans l'autre sens et allez plus loin en int�grant nativement le proc�d� � la distro.<br><br>Je ne crois qu'un utilisateur n�ophite ce pose la question de savoir si il doit utiliser un paquet rpm ou deb ou truc venu de l'espace.....<br><br>PS : J'ai d'ailleurs fais la m�me reflexion vis � vis de wine qui pour moi devrait �tre fondu dans la distro pour prendre en charge les .exe car une fois de plus l'utilisateur lambda (comme beaucoup des profs et �l�ves que je cotoie) se fiche du nom du syt�me. Ils veulent que se soit beau et que sa fonctionne sans
+ avoir a y passer des heures en documentation et essai.&nbsp; PEUT ON LEUR EN VOULOIR ???<br><br>Donc pour moi +1 :-)<br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">De :</span></b> "mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" &lt;mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">� :</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Envoy� le :</span></b> Lun 27 septembre 2010, 3h 15min 31s<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Objet&nbsp;:</span></b> Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 191<br></font><br>Send Mageia-discuss mailing list submissions to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or
+ unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-owner@mageia.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Mageia-discuss digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>&nbsp;  1. Re: rpm or deb? (Lucien-Henry Horvath)<br>&nbsp;  2. Re: Mageia's strategy (Frank Griffin)<br>&nbsp;  3. Re: Mageia's strategy (vfmBOFH)<br>&nbsp;  4. Mageia
+ with Synaptic (paulo ricardo)<br>&nbsp;  5. Re: rpm or deb? (Tux99)<br>&nbsp;  6. Re: Mageia with Synaptic (Tux99)<br>&nbsp;  7. Mageia Developer Version/Edition? (Ireneusz Gierlach)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:40:44 +0200<br>From: Lucien-Henry Horvath &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:tempo2@marneau.eu" href="mailto:tempo2@marneau.eu">tempo2@marneau.eu</a>&gt;<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:4C9FCBEC.106@marneau.eu" href="mailto:4C9FCBEC.106@marneau.eu">4C9FCBEC.106@marneau.eu</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Hi, (en FR en-dessous)<br>My suggestion is a little crazy ...<br>With the new departure of this distro, perhaps is it a good idea to
+ <br>invent a sort of "unified managment" of DEV / RPM.<br>We start on urpmi, and add to urpmi the abilities to encapsulate apt-get ?<br>So just easy play " urpmi <a href="http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb" target="_blank">http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb</a>" ;-) <br>It's auto-manage dependencies and finaly, urpmi launch "apt-get install".<br>Is it technicaly possible ?<br>--<br>Bonjour (in EN up)<br>Ma suggestion suivante va para?tre d?bile, mais ...<br>En cr?ant une nouvelle distribution, ce serait peut-?tre une bonne id?e <br>d'inventer _enfin_ une sorte de "gestion unifi?e" des paquetages deb et rpm.<br>L'id?e est d'encapsuler apt-get dans urpmi.<br>Ainsi, on lance juste urpmi "URL/t?l?chargement/fichier.deb" et ?a g?re <br>tout seul les d?pendances.<br>Est-ce techniquement possible ?<br><br><br><br>Le 26/09/2010 23:55, Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela a ?crit :<br>&gt; I personally found no practical advantage of using apt-get vs
+ urpmi,<br>&gt; while apt has many nice features urpmi is also solid and works<br>&gt; perfectly in most common cases, the only problem you may have is with<br>&gt; malformed packages or with erroneous dependency information, in which<br>&gt; case the only advantage of apt-get is the fact that Debian takes a lot<br>&gt; of care of having correct and working packages, which most RPM based<br>&gt; distros does too (you may get problems with 3th party repos but that<br>&gt; is another problem).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Being a Mandriva fork we would logically stick with it's tools and<br>&gt; packaging system.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Regards,<br>&gt; Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kristoffer Grundstr?m<br>&gt; &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com" href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;&nbsp; wrote:<br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; <br>&gt;&gt; Why not create
+ a new format with the best of both worlds (if possible)?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; .mageia ?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM<br>&gt;&gt; &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com" href="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com">ravikumar17jan@gmail.com</a>&gt;&nbsp; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages<br>&gt;&gt; i prefer apt and deb personally<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;  I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that<br>&gt;&gt; deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what<br>&gt;&gt; benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and<br>&gt;&gt; urpmi?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over<br>&gt;&gt; the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the
+ same.<br>&gt;&gt; I don't believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any<br>&gt;&gt; significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training<br>&gt;&gt; devs and&nbsp; creating a new build system.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>&gt;&nbsp; &nbsp; <br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:01:59 -0400<br>From: Frank Griffin &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:4C9FD0E7.8090001@roadrunner.com" href="mailto:4C9FD0E7.8090001@roadrunner.com">4C9FD0E7.8090001@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8<br><br>P. Christeas
+ wrote:<br>&gt; Let me rant in a rather non-polite tone:<br>&gt; why does *every* Linux distro have to be for Windows users?? Why does every <br>&gt; product need to be targeted at stupid people? (obvious answer: there is lots <br>&gt; of them)<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;  <br>I think you have to separate "looking like Windows" from "implementing<br>as does Microsoft".&nbsp; One of the things MS does very well is user<br>interface design.&nbsp; What they *don't* do so well is implementation:<br>everything is done through the GUI, and MS oversimplifies by making<br>choices silently for the user without giving the user the option to<br>override.<br><br>We're not exactly innocent in this respect either.&nbsp; MDV tools are<br>excellent, but they need the closure of a full transparent CLI as well<br>as a GUI.&nbsp; Experts and administrators need to be able to provide<br>configuration through batch scripts.&nbsp; This is not the case in many<br>areas.&nbsp; I do a
+ large number of fresh installs intended to create a new<br>system configured as an existing system was, and it's really annoying to<br>boot for the first time and then have to invoke several GUIs to do<br>things like printer configuration, wireless configuration, and font<br>installation.<br><br>In many areas, we have lost track of the simple fact that a Graphical<br>User Interface should be just that - an *interface* to a modular and<br>independent non-graphical module which provides "business logic".&nbsp; It<br>should never be the only way to access the business logic.&nbsp; Hopefully,<br>free of Mandriva's corporate restrictions, we can achieve that now.<br><br>Another issue is choice.&nbsp; System tools have to provide a range of choice<br>suitable for both experts and newbies.&nbsp; While it is acceptable to choose<br>defaults that will work for newbies out of the box, it is not acceptable<br>to limit choices for everyone to those defaults.&nbsp;
+ We've done this on<br>more than one occasion, the most memorable one being to radically change<br>and lock down the application menu system and refuse to consider any<br>configuration options that would deviate from this.<br><br>Finally, there is transparency.&nbsp; MDV tools have in many cases extended<br>the standard Linux way of doing things in imaginative and useful ways. <br>What they don't do is document those ways so that admins and users used<br>to standard Linux&nbsp; ways can manually intervene or provide tool<br>extensions without extensive code reading.&nbsp; Also, there are many<br>portions of the toolset, e.g. disk partitioning, network sharing,<br>setting up VPNs, etc., which involve extremely intrusive and possibly<br>destructive operations.&nbsp; All such tools need to have an option, not<br>necessarily the default, to display to the user a detailed list of<br>changes that the tool proposes to make, and prompt for approval. <br><br>The
+ problem here is that advanced users and admins get understandably<br>scared when a tool proposes to do something that involves modifying<br>multiple critical configuration files or system resources without<br>providing the details of the changes so that they can be denied if<br>unwanted, or undone later if so desired.<br><br>An even better approach would be to have each configuration tool produce<br>a program-readable file describing actions it takes, much as RPMs<br>provide, so that the tool, or some general tool running on another<br>bootable system with access to the root partition of the affected system<br>could undo the changes.<br><br>I understand why these things were never done in the past. <br>Management/marketing (and perhaps even some devs) wanted the<br>windows-like newbie simplification, and didn't have the resources or the<br>desire to provide the closure of these features.&nbsp; I hope that we can<br>move past
+ this.<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 01:02:35 +0200<br>From: vfmBOFH &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com" href="mailto:vfmbofh@gmail.com">vfmbofh@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy<br>Message-ID:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;AANLkTimGPtHi0ZUsVAbdYdTC5+<a ymailto="mailto:F15BXqAasV_tmyTVsp@mail.gmail.com" href="mailto:F15BXqAasV_tmyTVsp@mail.gmail.com">F15BXqAasV_tmyTVsp@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br><br>2010/9/26 Sascha Schneider &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:schneider@zawm.be" href="mailto:schneider@zawm.be">schneider@zawm.be</a>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I totally agree to that and I hope Mageia will make this happen.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; But I also agree that at this time Mageia has
+ to saddle as a fork,<br>&gt; structures have to be build, etc.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Plus, we wouldn't use Mandriva if we don't like the way it works. So no<br>&gt; need to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like<br>&gt; that<br>&gt;<br>&gt; My dream would be a very User and Admin friendly Disto<br>&gt;<br>&gt; One Installer CD for Desktop Dualarch - metapacks for the desktop env<br>&gt; One Installer CD for a Serverversion inkl. LXDE + MMC-base and metapaks for<br>&gt; some spezial apps inkl. the MMC modules (and pulse)<br>&gt; One Installer CD for a Virtualserver using f.e. OpenVZ and a MMC based<br>&gt; webui and some community templates<br>&gt;<br>&gt; In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of<br>&gt; home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever imagine<br>&gt; all with one Distro.<br>&gt;<br><br>That's very, very near of my own vision for a "perfect" Linux OS. We have<br>the
+ big advantage that everything yet still not done. And we count with<br>tools (delta-rpms, metapackages) to build a core system with "add-ons" (like<br>server packages, desktop packages...) improving modularity and system<br>organization.<br><br>At the same time, i'm aware that it can be a too big break from the mageia's<br>origins (in the meaning of system's scheme and organization). So, if we can<br>progressively drive mageia to this new scheme sounds reasonable too.<br><br>Cheers.<br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL: &lt;/pipermail/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100927/824696d2/attachment-0001.html&gt;<br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 03:01:29 +0300<br>From: paulo ricardo &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:paulo_ricardogo@hotmail.com" href="mailto:paulo_ricardogo@hotmail.com">paulo_ricardogo@hotmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a
+ ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:SNT124-W3FBA1BA8C0245C166EC709F650@phx.gbl" href="mailto:SNT124-W3FBA1BA8C0245C166EC709F650@phx.gbl">SNT124-W3FBA1BA8C0245C166EC709F650@phx.gbl</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"<br><br><br>I am not proposing to replace the "URPMI" by the "APT-RPM! I'm proposing we change the "Rpmdrake" with "Synaptic" and keeping the "URPMI!<br>The URPMI is very good, plus the "Rpmdrake" is horrible!<br><br>We discuss these things before the programming work to eat. We must define how the O.S should be! this discussion is important because the GUI package management directly influences the daily work in an OS!<br><br>My proposal is that we keep the rpm and urpmi! But substitute Rpmdrake by Synaptic, and creating a second interface aimed at users
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+ we would logically stick with it's tools and<br>&gt; packaging system.<br><br>Agreed, if we start questioning everything we might as well all go home.<br><br>Mandriva/Mageia are rpm distros and I would expect them to stay like <br>that otherwise we could just all use Debian or one of it's derivatives.<br><br>urpmi is at least as good as apt-get, if anyone finds that urpmi lacks a <br>feature that apt-get has, then please suggest it (not now, later when <br>Mageia is set up) so it can be considered to add that feature to urpmi, <br>but that's definitely not a reason to abandon urpmi.<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 02:56:24 +0200 (CEST)<br>From: Tux99 &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org" href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+ href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic<br>Message-ID: &lt;Pine.LNX.4.44.1009270248310.9293-100000@outpost-priv&gt;<br>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII<br><br>On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, paulo ricardo wrote:<br><br>&gt; <br>&gt; I am not proposing to replace the "URPMI" by the "APT-RPM! I'm<br>&gt; proposing we change the "Rpmdrake" with "Synaptic" and keeping the<br>&gt; "URPMI! The URPMI is very good, plus the "Rpmdrake" is horrible!<br><br>Instead of saying "rpmdrake is horrible", it would be more useful if you <br>list what you don't like so it can be improved. No tool is perfect, I'm <br>sure Synaptic has flaws to, so just switching to Synaptic only means <br>trading one set of flaws for another.<br><br>Personally I find rpmdrake works perfectly fine (the startup speed <br>could need improving though), it does all I need it to do (and I would <br>consider
+ myself an advanced user, since I have 15 years Linux experience <br>and work as a sysadmin) and then there are always the urpmi CLI tools as <br>alternative.<br><br>So lets stop wasting time by talking badly about all those things that <br>make Mandriva (and therefore Mageia) the great distro it is, and instead <br>lets concentrate on improving (rather than replacing) the tools of <br>Madriva/Mageia.<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:17:21 -0400<br>From: Ireneusz Gierlach &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:irek.gierlach@gmail.com" href="mailto:irek.gierlach@gmail.com">irek.gierlach@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?<br>Message-ID: &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:4C9FF0A1.6070704@gmail.com"
+ href="mailto:4C9FF0A1.6070704@gmail.com">4C9FF0A1.6070704@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>&nbsp; I just thought of this, and I have never seen that done, so I'm not <br>sure how it would (if) work exactly.<br>I was thinking about creating a specific version of the OS that would <br>consist of all development tools required to build packages, develop <br>components, etc. This would provide the same environment for all <br>developers, and help in bug fixing, as they would all have the same <br>packages (by default, I was also thinking about implementing a better <br>version of Mandriva's Package Stats with an ability to input a list of <br>packages [from the bug reporter] so the tester can automatically <br>download the same versions). It is just a thought, but I would love to <br>see something like this implemented. I want to see what you guys think <br>of this too ;) (I'm trying to create something
+ like this but not for OS <br>but for a framework, so I want to see some opinions.)<br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br><br>End of Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 191<br>**********************************************<br></div></div>
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+First, why people chose Linux?<br>I think because it is free (of charge in the beginning). There is a learn curve for Windows too, you still need to do lots of tweaks if you really need to use it at full power. Linux too. So I wouldn&#39;t talk about the costs in this matter.<br>
+Then, it has the source open. Here comes the real freedom. At least I know that somebody will discover if some app will spy on you. You never know what kind of info Windows send to the mother ship and when.<br>Not to talk about the opportunity to adapt the code...<br>
+And, not at least, come the things that could not do with Windows.<br>Secondly, why people would chose Mageia?<br>Now, the followers count to see the Mandriva&#39;s quality in a better way of communication. I think the Mandriva&#39;s distro is the base in all aspects.<br>
+<br>After that, it is place to improvement. Who knows, maybe Mageia will have its own life, far from Mandriva&#39;s path, but at same quality at least.<br><br>Me, personally, from the usability point of use, I would like it close as it is now in terms of available packages. I would like to have the opportunity to poll for some apps (that was the Mandriva Club members privilege afaik). I would like to have one DVD with all the stuff and an installer to allow me to install a server, a desktop, or to start a &quot;live CD&quot; environment. And a second DVD with the sources. Different choices in different settings, but same packages. I hate the idea of having several CD/DVD flavors (of course, to be available as many users would like that). I would focus on 64 bit (I have 64 bit cpu since the first one appeared on the market, now nobody does 32 bit cpus, even for multimedia, afaik). I would like to have some visual improvement on the desktop and a lighter KDE (but that&#39;s KDE team&#39;s job). I would like to have the KDE as classy as Gnome, but with KDE&#39;s plugability.<br>
+<br>What I think it is a must in order to achieve success, as in Ubuntu&#39;s case, is a good collection of How to&#39;s. Whatever I wanted to do to setup something, tons of how to&#39;s for Ubuntu arose first.<br>
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+First, why people chose Linux?<br>I think because it is free (of charge in the beginning). There is a learn curve for Windows too, you still need to do lots of tweaks if you really need to use it at full power. Linux too. So I wouldn&#39;t talk about the costs in this matter.<br>
+Then, it has the source open. Here comes the real freedom. At least I know that somebody will discover if some app will spy on you. You never know what kind of info Windows send to the mother ship and when.<br>Not to talk about the opportunity to adapt the code...<br>
+And, not at least, come the things that could not do with Windows.<br>Secondly, why people would chose Mageia?<br>Now, the followers count to see the Mandriva&#39;s quality in a better way of communication. I think the Mandriva&#39;s distro is the base in all aspects.<br>
+<br>After that, it is place to improvement. Who knows, maybe Mageia will have its own life, far from Mandriva&#39;s path, but at same quality at least.<br><br>Me, personally, from the usability point of use, I would like it close as it is now in terms of available packages. I would like to have the opportunity to poll for some apps (that was the Mandriva Club members privilege afaik). I would like to have one DVD with all the stuff and an installer to allow me to install a server, a desktop, or to start a &quot;live CD&quot; environment. And a second DVD with the sources. Different choices in different settings, but same packages. I hate the idea of having several CD/DVD flavors (of course, to be available as many users would like that). I would focus on 64 bit (I have 64 bit cpu since the first one appeared on the market, now nobody does 32 bit cpus, even for multimedia, afaik). I would like to have some visual improvement on the desktop and a lighter KDE (but that&#39;s KDE team&#39;s job). I would like to have the KDE as classy as Gnome, but with KDE&#39;s plugability.<br>
+<br>What I think it is a must in order to achieve success, as in Ubuntu&#39;s case, is a good collection of How to&#39;s. Whatever I wanted to do to setup something, tons of how to&#39;s for Ubuntu arose first.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com">ravikumar17jan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages<br>
+i prefer apt and deb personally<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Hi all.</div><div><br></div><div>I use several distros, sombe rpm-based, some deb-based.</div><div><br></div><div>IMHO, there&#39;s no real difference between both package types. All troubles i&#39;ve found on rpm packages are exactly the same i&#39;ve found on .deb ones. And all are for the same reason: The package has some error on their build process (bad dependences, outdated versions of them...)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>So, i see no objective reason to change rpm-packaging system. But we must be carefully until paranoia when we&#39;re building them. A well-done build rpm package works as smooth and clean than a well-done build .deb one.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>If you&#39;re looking some other aspects (i.e. performance of the package manager) there&#39;s no sensible difference for a normal user between both package types. You can find urpmi slower than apt-get, or viceversa. I&#39;ve found opposite opinions about this ever among my colleagues. This leads to me that i&#39;ts a subjective (or particular system-dependant) estimation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers.</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/23 RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ravikumar17jan@gmail.com">ravikumar17jan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages<br>
+i prefer apt and deb personally<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Hi all.</div><div><br></div><div>I use several distros, sombe rpm-based, some deb-based.</div><div><br></div><div>IMHO, there&#39;s no real difference between both package types. All troubles i&#39;ve found on rpm packages are exactly the same i&#39;ve found on .deb ones. And all are for the same reason: The package has some error on their build process (bad dependences, outdated versions of them...)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>So, i see no objective reason to change rpm-packaging system. But we must be carefully until paranoia when we&#39;re building them. A well-done build rpm package works as smooth and clean than a well-done build .deb one.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>If you&#39;re looking some other aspects (i.e. performance of the package manager) there&#39;s no sensible difference for a normal user between both package types. You can find urpmi slower than apt-get, or viceversa. I&#39;ve found opposite opinions about this ever among my colleagues. This leads to me that i&#39;ts a subjective (or particular system-dependant) estimation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers.</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Stop this discussion that is useless, please.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+--<br>
+Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+(<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Stop this discussion that is useless, please.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+--<br>
+Sandro Cazzaniga<br>
+Bashburn hacker (<a href="http://bashburn.dose.se/" target="_blank">http://bashburn.dose.se/</a>)<br>
+Mageia Contributor (<a href="http://www.mageia.org/fr/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</a>)<br>
+Serial Blogger (<a href="http://twitter.com/Kharec" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/Kharec</a>)<br>
+Developer (Perl, Bash, C)<br>
+Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise<br>
+(<a href="http://www.alolise.org" target="_blank">http://www.alolise.org</a>)<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.<br>
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+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+Le 21/09/2010 22:19, Ignacio Salcedo a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C991344.3020007@ignacio-profile.com" type="cite">
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="" title="">I
+have proposed this model: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+, </span></span><span id="result_box"
+ class="long_text
+      short_text"><span
+ style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
+ title="">on the other hand</span></span><span id="result_box"
+ class="long_text"><span style="" title="">, an idea, always a good
+concept.</span></span><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Hey,<br>
+<br>
+I have to admit that I really like this one. Shapes are pure, design is
+light.&nbsp; By far, the best I ever seen for this project.<br>
+<br>
+That said, would it be possible to see some variations regarding the
+baseline color ?<br>
+<br>
+The only point I have regarding this logo is the font that looks like
+too much medieval from my taste.<br>
+<br>
+Anyway, great job !<br>
+<br>
+Erwan,<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+Le 21/09/2010 22:19, Ignacio Salcedo a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+<blockquote cite="mid:4C991344.3020007@ignacio-profile.com" type="cite">
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <span id="result_box" class="long_text"><span style="" title="">I
+have proposed this model: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+ href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a>
+, </span></span><span id="result_box"
+ class="long_text
+      short_text"><span
+ style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"
+ title="">on the other hand</span></span><span id="result_box"
+ class="long_text"><span style="" title="">, an idea, always a good
+concept.</span></span><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Hey,<br>
+<br>
+I have to admit that I really like this one. Shapes are pure, design is
+light.&nbsp; By far, the best I ever seen for this project.<br>
+<br>
+That said, would it be possible to see some variations regarding the
+baseline color ?<br>
+<br>
+The only point I have regarding this logo is the font that looks like
+too much medieval from my taste.<br>
+<br>
+Anyway, great job !<br>
+<br>
+Erwan,<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+[...]<br>
+Once we have the permission to use the name Mageia in MLO, we&#39;ll rename<br>
+everything in our domain and get a new domain name. We&#39;ll have some breakage,<br>
+but I estimated it&#39;ll be of no real consequences and easy to address.<br>
+<br>
+Pat<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Ok thanks, this is what i wanted to know  ( il a du boulot! :) )<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/27 Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+[...]<br>
+Once we have the permission to use the name Mageia in MLO, we&#39;ll rename<br>
+everything in our domain and get a new domain name. We&#39;ll have some breakage,<br>
+but I estimated it&#39;ll be of no real consequences and easy to address.<br>
+<br>
+Pat<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Ok thanks, this is what i wanted to know  ( il a du boulot! :) )<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<html>
+<head>
+<style><!--
+.hmmessage P
+{
+margin:0px;
+padding:0px
+}
+body.hmmessage
+{
+font-size: 10pt;
+font-family:Tahoma
+}
+--></style>
+</head>
+<body class='hmmessage'>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">I am not proposing to replace the "URPMI" by the "APT-RPM!&nbsp;</span><span title="">I'm proposing we change the "Rpmdrake" with "Synaptic" and keeping the "URPMI!<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The URPMI is very good, plus the "Rpmdrake" is horrible!<br><br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We discuss these things before the programming work to eat.&nbsp;</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We must define how the O.S should be!&nbsp;</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">this discussion is important because the GUI package management directly influences the daily work in an OS!<br><br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">My proposal is that we keep the rpm and urpmi!&nbsp;</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">But substitute Rpmdrake by Synaptic, and creating a second interface aimed at users with less knowledge.</span></span></font> 		 	   		  </body>
+</html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html>
+<head>
+<style><!--
+.hmmessage P
+{
+margin:0px;
+padding:0px
+}
+body.hmmessage
+{
+font-size: 10pt;
+font-family:Tahoma
+}
+--></style>
+</head>
+<body class='hmmessage'>
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><font class="Apple-style-span" face="arial, sans-serif" size="4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 16px;"><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">I am not proposing to replace the "URPMI" by the "APT-RPM!&nbsp;</span><span title="">I'm proposing we change the "Rpmdrake" with "Synaptic" and keeping the "URPMI!<br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">The URPMI is very good, plus the "Rpmdrake" is horrible!<br><br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We discuss these things before the programming work to eat.&nbsp;</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">We must define how the O.S should be!&nbsp;</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">this discussion is important because the GUI package management directly influences the daily work in an OS!<br><br></span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">My proposal is that we keep the rpm and urpmi!&nbsp;</span><span title="" style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">But substitute Rpmdrake by Synaptic, and creating a second interface aimed at users with less knowledge.</span></span></font> 		 	   		  </body>
+</html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br>I believe that is one of our reputation the urpmi and rpm. I think that is an excellent combination with the quality of rpm ( i prefer than deb) and the speed and performance of urpmi (the best rpm tool)<br><br><br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br>I believe that is one of our reputation the urpmi and rpm. I think that is an excellent combination with the quality of rpm ( i prefer than deb) and the speed and performance of urpmi (the best rpm tool)<br><br><br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Le 25/09/2010 22:12, Mihai Dobrescu a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinbPTpB1vMtfAjANMLk4qknjJNVdwD_y6Tm_ACu@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt
+        Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div class="im">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS
+            &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>&gt;
+            wrote:<br>
+            &gt; First, my English is not good but I try<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others
+            believe it would be better<br>
+            &gt; if it were completely different and a crystal
+            environment.<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            <br>
+          </div>
+          I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br>
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          --<br>
+          <font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+          </font></blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      Me too.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    So do I. For both environments (kde and gnome), kde looks too much
+    like w$$ and gnome old fashioned (moreover the choices for changing
+    themes is limited).<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+adr:;;L'Iris 12 ch de Beauregard;Aix en PRovence;;13100;France
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+tel;work:06 11 85 11 22
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Le 25/09/2010 22:12, Mihai Dobrescu a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTinbPTpB1vMtfAjANMLk4qknjJNVdwD_y6Tm_ACu@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt
+        Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <div class="im">On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS
+            &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com">carlos.gilarranz@gmail.com</a>&gt;
+            wrote:<br>
+            &gt; First, my English is not good but I try<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others
+            believe it would be better<br>
+            &gt; if it were completely different and a crystal
+            environment.<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            <br>
+          </div>
+          I agree. The look needs to be completely different.<br>
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          --<br>
+          <font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+          </font></blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      Me too.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    So do I. For both environments (kde and gnome), kde looks too much
+    like w$$ and gnome old fashioned (moreover the choices for changing
+    themes is limited).<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+adr:;;L'Iris 12 ch de Beauregard;Aix en PRovence;;13100;France
+email;internet:david.naura@lindom.fr
+tel;work:06 11 85 11 22
+url:http://www.lindom.fr
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+On 09/27/2010 07:55 PM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTiktREz+3ca_hA1KGmkPxZv7jxWN9VT+jgMfRZn0@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Florian Hubold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">&lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;</a> wrote:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">&nbsp;Am 23.09.2010 14:33, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+    </pre>
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
+think that all Germans run around in Lederhosen, drinking beer and
+eating Sauerkraut, listening to Blaskapelle and singing about
+Gem&uuml;tlichkeit).
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap="">
+Those I see on TV are drinking beer. But most Germans I see on US TV
+are beer-drinking sausage-eating WW!!-vintage soldiers with British
+accents, so reality is not heavily involved in any perception.
+
+
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+<font size="+1">I was going to say that the 60s TV show "Hogan's Heros"
+would be most US folks impression of Germans. </font><br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+On 09/27/2010 07:55 PM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTiktREz+3ca_hA1KGmkPxZv7jxWN9VT+jgMfRZn0@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Florian Hubold <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">&lt;doktor5000@arcor.de&gt;</a> wrote:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">&nbsp;Am 23.09.2010 14:33, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+    </pre>
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">
+Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
+think that all Germans run around in Lederhosen, drinking beer and
+eating Sauerkraut, listening to Blaskapelle and singing about
+Gem&uuml;tlichkeit).
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap="">
+Those I see on TV are drinking beer. But most Germans I see on US TV
+are beer-drinking sausage-eating WW!!-vintage soldiers with British
+accents, so reality is not heavily involved in any perception.
+
+
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+<font size="+1">I was going to say that the 60s TV show "Hogan's Heros"
+would be most US folks impression of Germans. </font><br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Doesn&#39;t packagekit provide Gnome and KDE-native interfaces for package management?<div><br></div><div>Shawn<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Richard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:richard.j.walker@ntlworld.com">richard.j.walker@ntlworld.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Tuesday 28 September 2010 23:42:21 Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+&gt; No, if you are talking about rpmdrake, you should compare it to synaptic.<br>
+&gt; I you want to talk about apt (be it apt-get or aptitude), you should<br>
+&gt; compare it to urpmi, and urpmi (in my opinion) is not slow.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Agreed. Though I am not by any means a command line junkie I will always use<br>
+uprmi when I know exactly what I want.<br>
+<br>
+So it is synaptic/apt and rpmdrake/urpmi. No doubt yum has a GUI counterpart<br>
+too.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; emerge and macports are source-based &quot;packet&quot; managers.<br>
+&gt; As the programs are compiled when you want to install them, you can decide<br>
+&gt; to exclude some optional, compile-time functionality, and avoid their<br>
+&gt; dependencies.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In pre-compiled packets (like rpm or deb), the packager decided what should<br>
+&gt; be compiled, and so what are the required dependencies.<br>
+&gt; You still have the option to get the source package and tweak it (via the<br>
+&gt; spec file for rpm, or rule for deb) to exclude some things you don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; require. (but you will need to do it again each time an update is<br>
+&gt; available)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Right, I have done this with a custom ffmpeg build. Compile time dependency<br>
+control is, of course, a grace and favour benefit provided by the program<br>
+author. I get the impression that a packager can introduce depencies when<br>
+special support is needed for extra features he may choose to include. This<br>
+seems to be what happened with the 2010.1 issue of the foobillard rpm where a<br>
+new dependency on Pulse has been created which does not exist in the 2010.0<br>
+package or the author&#39;s source.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Packages have dependencies, those are interpreted as &quot;this package cannot<br>
+&gt; work without those&quot;.<br>
+&gt; You can also have less strict recommendations, deb has provided for long<br>
+&gt; recommended packages (not really required, but a must have) and suggested<br>
+&gt; packages (is an interesting addition, but nothing essential).<br>
+&gt; Rpm also provide such a mechanism (though I think is younger than deb) with<br>
+&gt; the suggested packages.<br>
+&gt; Urpmi take the suggested packages into account, when installing it will by<br>
+&gt; default selected also the suggested packages, but you can add the --no-<br>
+&gt; suggests option to avoid this.<br>
+</div>Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which &quot;depend&quot; on Pulse and<br>
+re-package them such that Pulse is only &quot;recommended&quot;? If so then I will have<br>
+to find the way to set the --no-suggests option in rpmdrake. I hadn&#39;t even<br>
+looked for it before as I have only recently started to discover problems in<br>
+Mandriva packages.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; On the urpme side, if you uninstall a package that was installed as a<br>
+&gt; suggestion, it won&#39;t trigger the uninstallation of the package that<br>
+&gt; suggested it.<br>
+</div>Something similar seems to apply to packages which I inadvertently &quot;mark&quot; as<br>
+manually installed. urpme reports that such packages will be excluded from<br>
+orphan detection. I love the --auto-orphans switch.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Richard<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Doesn&#39;t packagekit provide Gnome and KDE-native interfaces for package management?<div><br></div><div>Shawn<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Richard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:richard.j.walker@ntlworld.com">richard.j.walker@ntlworld.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Tuesday 28 September 2010 23:42:21 Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+&gt; No, if you are talking about rpmdrake, you should compare it to synaptic.<br>
+&gt; I you want to talk about apt (be it apt-get or aptitude), you should<br>
+&gt; compare it to urpmi, and urpmi (in my opinion) is not slow.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Agreed. Though I am not by any means a command line junkie I will always use<br>
+uprmi when I know exactly what I want.<br>
+<br>
+So it is synaptic/apt and rpmdrake/urpmi. No doubt yum has a GUI counterpart<br>
+too.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; emerge and macports are source-based &quot;packet&quot; managers.<br>
+&gt; As the programs are compiled when you want to install them, you can decide<br>
+&gt; to exclude some optional, compile-time functionality, and avoid their<br>
+&gt; dependencies.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In pre-compiled packets (like rpm or deb), the packager decided what should<br>
+&gt; be compiled, and so what are the required dependencies.<br>
+&gt; You still have the option to get the source package and tweak it (via the<br>
+&gt; spec file for rpm, or rule for deb) to exclude some things you don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; require. (but you will need to do it again each time an update is<br>
+&gt; available)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Right, I have done this with a custom ffmpeg build. Compile time dependency<br>
+control is, of course, a grace and favour benefit provided by the program<br>
+author. I get the impression that a packager can introduce depencies when<br>
+special support is needed for extra features he may choose to include. This<br>
+seems to be what happened with the 2010.1 issue of the foobillard rpm where a<br>
+new dependency on Pulse has been created which does not exist in the 2010.0<br>
+package or the author&#39;s source.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Packages have dependencies, those are interpreted as &quot;this package cannot<br>
+&gt; work without those&quot;.<br>
+&gt; You can also have less strict recommendations, deb has provided for long<br>
+&gt; recommended packages (not really required, but a must have) and suggested<br>
+&gt; packages (is an interesting addition, but nothing essential).<br>
+&gt; Rpm also provide such a mechanism (though I think is younger than deb) with<br>
+&gt; the suggested packages.<br>
+&gt; Urpmi take the suggested packages into account, when installing it will by<br>
+&gt; default selected also the suggested packages, but you can add the --no-<br>
+&gt; suggests option to avoid this.<br>
+</div>Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which &quot;depend&quot; on Pulse and<br>
+re-package them such that Pulse is only &quot;recommended&quot;? If so then I will have<br>
+to find the way to set the --no-suggests option in rpmdrake. I hadn&#39;t even<br>
+looked for it before as I have only recently started to discover problems in<br>
+Mandriva packages.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; On the urpme side, if you uninstall a package that was installed as a<br>
+&gt; suggestion, it won&#39;t trigger the uninstallation of the package that<br>
+&gt; suggested it.<br>
+</div>Something similar seems to apply to packages which I inadvertently &quot;mark&quot; as<br>
+manually installed. urpme reports that such packages will be excluded from<br>
+orphan detection. I love the --auto-orphans switch.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Richard<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; We have something like that at Blogdrake.net<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; See <a href="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php" target="_blank">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It&#39;s based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn&#39;t do it, so I<br>
+&gt; can&#39;t tell you which things has being changed).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; We pick PO files, and put them at <a href="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php" target="_blank">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come<br>
+&gt; after, and check.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; When it&#39;s ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO<br>
+&gt; file again to Mandriva server.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; tavillo1980<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I forgot, I hope Mageia has something like this:<br>
+<a href="http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/" target="_blank">http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/</a><br>
+<br>
+IMHO, it rise translators spirit when they see how lines become green.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Statistics is certainly a must-on!</div><div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div>Estonian translator</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; We have something like that at Blogdrake.net<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; See <a href="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php" target="_blank">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It&#39;s based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn&#39;t do it, so I<br>
+&gt; can&#39;t tell you which things has being changed).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; We pick PO files, and put them at <a href="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php" target="_blank">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come<br>
+&gt; after, and check.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; When it&#39;s ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO<br>
+&gt; file again to Mandriva server.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; tavillo1980<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I forgot, I hope Mageia has something like this:<br>
+<a href="http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/" target="_blank">http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/</a><br>
+<br>
+IMHO, it rise translators spirit when they see how lines become green.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Statistics is certainly a must-on!</div><div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div>Estonian translator</div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+If it is more efficient, then I say do it. <br>
+<br>
+If it is just a feel good thing, then forget it.<br>
+<br>
+I do agree that we need to think of ways to make it easier for people
+to contribute.<br>
+<br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Wayne@WayneSallee.com">Wayne@WayneSallee.com</a><br>
+<br>
+David V. Wallin wrote on 09/28/2010 08:13 AM:
+<blockquote cite="mid:7906DDD9-3661-44CE-8951-B0D9D36324D1@ngweb.se"
+ type="cite">Hi everyone,
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>Going to throw out an idea born by the members on <a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://Mageia-se.org">Mageia-se.org</a>
+about the handling of translations.</div>
+  <div>This might be an obvious idea, and if so we'll be happy :-)</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>I'm going to quote the text i wrote in #mageia since i currently
+feel too lazy to re-write it. Hope you understand what i'm trying to
+say with the text.</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div><span class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande';">"Had a discussion on <a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://Mageia-se.org">Mageia-se.org</a>
+where we talked about making translations of the disto from the
+community itself. The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone
+before putting on the mailist, is that each country community starts a
+section (a wiki for example) where all the members of that community
+are able to translate as much as they are able and then, when reaching
+a certain percent translated, the translation is returned to the main
+developer team for implementation."</span></div>
+  <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Grande'"><br>
+  </font></div>
+  <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Grande'">"the main
+motivation from the members on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://mageia-se.org">mageia-se.org</a> was that everyone could
+feel apart of the work and feel useful since even only translating one
+word would be a contribution."<br>
+  </font>
+  <div><span class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span
+ class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span
+ class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><span
+ class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;">
+  <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">
+  <div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
+  <br>
+  </div>
+  <div>----</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>Betygs&auml;tt g&auml;rna mitt mail!</div>
+  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</a></div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>----</div>
+  <div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
+Best Regards / V&auml;nligen ,</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>Stockholm Next Generation Web</div>
+  <div>David V. Wallin</div>
+  <div>+46 (0)8 4100 39 82</div>
+  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</a></div>
+  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a></div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  </div>
+  </span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
+  </span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
+  </span></span></div>
+  <br>
+  </div>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
+
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+If it is more efficient, then I say do it. <br>
+<br>
+If it is just a feel good thing, then forget it.<br>
+<br>
+I do agree that we need to think of ways to make it easier for people
+to contribute.<br>
+<br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Wayne@WayneSallee.com">Wayne@WayneSallee.com</a><br>
+<br>
+David V. Wallin wrote on 09/28/2010 08:13 AM:
+<blockquote cite="mid:7906DDD9-3661-44CE-8951-B0D9D36324D1@ngweb.se"
+ type="cite">Hi everyone,
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>Going to throw out an idea born by the members on <a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://Mageia-se.org">Mageia-se.org</a>
+about the handling of translations.</div>
+  <div>This might be an obvious idea, and if so we'll be happy :-)</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>I'm going to quote the text i wrote in #mageia since i currently
+feel too lazy to re-write it. Hope you understand what i'm trying to
+say with the text.</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div><span class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande';">"Had a discussion on <a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://Mageia-se.org">Mageia-se.org</a>
+where we talked about making translations of the disto from the
+community itself. The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone
+before putting on the mailist, is that each country community starts a
+section (a wiki for example) where all the members of that community
+are able to translate as much as they are able and then, when reaching
+a certain percent translated, the translation is returned to the main
+developer team for implementation."</span></div>
+  <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Grande'"><br>
+  </font></div>
+  <div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Grande'">"the main
+motivation from the members on <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://mageia-se.org">mageia-se.org</a> was that everyone could
+feel apart of the work and feel useful since even only translating one
+word would be a contribution."<br>
+  </font>
+  <div><span class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span
+ class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span
+ class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;"><span
+ class="Apple-style-span"
+ style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;">
+  <div style="word-wrap: break-word;">
+  <div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
+  <br>
+  </div>
+  <div>----</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>Betygs&auml;tt g&auml;rna mitt mail!</div>
+  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</a></div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>----</div>
+  <div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
+Best Regards / V&auml;nligen ,</div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  <div>Stockholm Next Generation Web</div>
+  <div>David V. Wallin</div>
+  <div>+46 (0)8 4100 39 82</div>
+  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</a></div>
+  <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a></div>
+  <div><br>
+  </div>
+  </div>
+  </span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
+  </span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
+  </span></span></div>
+  <br>
+  </div>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Hi Wayne <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Wayne@waynesallee.com">Wayne@waynesallee.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I think it&#39;s too large of a logo (when you include all the lines), and it&#39;s too hard to understand the name.<br>
+The line pattern might make a good desktop design.<br></blockquote><div><br>I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely <br>runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its absolutely intentional :) <br>
+<br>anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure for share things...<br><br><br>regards<br>P.<br><br><br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+Wayne@WayneSallee.com<br>
+<br>
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 12:26 AM:<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all from Buenos Aires.<br>
+Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over wine, probably u say that is not &quot;correct&quot;, but this is<br>
+another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal" target="_blank">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</a><br>
+<br>
+Namaste<br>
+Pablo Barrera<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi Wayne <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Wayne@waynesallee.com">Wayne@waynesallee.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I think it&#39;s too large of a logo (when you include all the lines), and it&#39;s too hard to understand the name.<br>
+The line pattern might make a good desktop design.<br></blockquote><div><br>I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely <br>runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its absolutely intentional :) <br>
+<br>anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure for share things...<br><br><br>regards<br>P.<br><br><br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+Wayne@WayneSallee.com<br>
+<br>
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 12:26 AM:<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all from Buenos Aires.<br>
+Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over wine, probably u say that is not &quot;correct&quot;, but this is<br>
+another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal" target="_blank">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</a><br>
+<br>
+Namaste<br>
+Pablo Barrera<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+Yea, I think the design looks good for boot splash, other than the name
+being hard to read.<br>
+<br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Wayne@WayneSallee.com">Wayne@WayneSallee.com</a><br>
+<br>
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 07:16 AM:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTikcXCF4fRxfaaWfX6N=-shVSO0d39Mj+4ehfgWJ@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">Hi Wayne <br>
+  <br>
+  <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Wayne@waynesallee.com">Wayne@waynesallee.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I
+think it's too large of a logo (when you include all the lines), and
+it's too hard to understand the name.<br>
+The line pattern might make a good desktop design.<br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <div><br>
+I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a
+bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely <br>
+runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its
+absolutely intentional :) <br>
+  <br>
+anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure
+for share things...<br>
+  <br>
+  <br>
+regards<br>
+P.<br>
+  <br>
+  <br>
+&nbsp;</div>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Wayne@WayneSallee.com">Wayne@WayneSallee.com</a><br>
+    <br>
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 12:26 AM:
+    <div>
+    <div class="h5"><br>
+    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all from Buenos Aires.<br>
+Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over
+wine, probably u say that is not "correct", but this is<br>
+another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)<br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal"
+ target="_blank">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</a><br>
+      <br>
+Namaste<br>
+Pablo Barrera<br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    </div>
+    </div>
+  </blockquote>
+  </div>
+  <br>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
+
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+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+Yea, I think the design looks good for boot splash, other than the name
+being hard to read.<br>
+<br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Wayne@WayneSallee.com">Wayne@WayneSallee.com</a><br>
+<br>
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 07:16 AM:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTikcXCF4fRxfaaWfX6N=-shVSO0d39Mj+4ehfgWJ@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">Hi Wayne <br>
+  <br>
+  <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Wayne@waynesallee.com">Wayne@waynesallee.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I
+think it's too large of a logo (when you include all the lines), and
+it's too hard to understand the name.<br>
+The line pattern might make a good desktop design.<br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <div><br>
+I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a
+bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely <br>
+runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its
+absolutely intentional :) <br>
+  <br>
+anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure
+for share things...<br>
+  <br>
+  <br>
+regards<br>
+P.<br>
+  <br>
+  <br>
+&nbsp;</div>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Wayne@WayneSallee.com">Wayne@WayneSallee.com</a><br>
+    <br>
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 12:26 AM:
+    <div>
+    <div class="h5"><br>
+    <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all from Buenos Aires.<br>
+Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over
+wine, probably u say that is not "correct", but this is<br>
+another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)<br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+ href="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal"
+ target="_blank">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</a><br>
+      <br>
+Namaste<br>
+Pablo Barrera<br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    </div>
+    </div>
+  </blockquote>
+  </div>
+  <br>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    Le 26/09/2010 22:50, Rory Albertyn a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9FB22A.1090900@radiantnet.co.za" type="cite">Greetings,
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is
+      #mageia-za on freenode.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to
+      request a mailing list and links on the website.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      ~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Thank you very much!<br>
+      <br>
+      In fact, I think this would really be great and helpful to also
+      support afrikaans and people from South Africa. <span
+        class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
+      <br>
+      Skiper.<br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 26/09/2010 22:50, Rory Albertyn a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4C9FB22A.1090900@radiantnet.co.za" type="cite">Greetings,
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is
+      #mageia-za on freenode.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to
+      request a mailing list and links on the website.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      ~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Thank you very much!<br>
+      <br>
+      In fact, I think this would really be great and helpful to also
+      support afrikaans and people from South Africa. <span
+        class="moz-smiley-s1"><span> :-) </span></span><br>
+      <br>
+      Skiper.<br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Eden Caldas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eden@linuxfacil.org">eden@linuxfacil.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Sorry if its been asked already.<br><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></font></blockquote><div> </div></div>if you had used the research you would not need to apologize
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Eden Caldas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eden@linuxfacil.org">eden@linuxfacil.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Sorry if its been asked already.<br><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></font></blockquote><div> </div></div>if you had used the research you would not need to apologize
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking<br>
+&gt; threads every time you send a message<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve seeing the comments about breaking threads.<br>
+<br>
+I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All<br>
+comments from André are in the same thread.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">I use gmail too without any problem, threads are never broken<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking<br>
+&gt; threads every time you send a message<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve seeing the comments about breaking threads.<br>
+<br>
+I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All<br>
+comments from André are in the same thread.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+tavillo1980<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">I use gmail too without any problem, threads are never broken<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+I dont&#39; know what is *the* best tool, and i dont i know if it have *a* best than others.<div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div>I just hope that beyond the tool, it should change, the same quality on the dependency tree will be present. And in both senses of the tree.</div>
+<div>it&#39;s hard to find an example that does not require the troll, but for example I find it regrettable that uninstalling a package gtk entails uninstalling the core underneath, especially as this core is used by an application qt (no name) Or I do not like the tool I propose to install the world as it is just necessary to install three libraries (no name).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Beyond the tool, I hope that the quality of management of dependencies will be preserved</div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>My two cents.</div>
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+I dont&#39; know what is *the* best tool, and i dont i know if it have *a* best than others.<div><br></div><div><br><div><div><div>I just hope that beyond the tool, it should change, the same quality on the dependency tree will be present. And in both senses of the tree.</div>
+<div>it&#39;s hard to find an example that does not require the troll, but for example I find it regrettable that uninstalling a package gtk entails uninstalling the core underneath, especially as this core is used by an application qt (no name) Or I do not like the tool I propose to install the world as it is just necessary to install three libraries (no name).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Beyond the tool, I hope that the quality of management of dependencies will be preserved</div></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>My two cents.</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+It&#39;s online: �<a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/" target="_blank">http://donate.mageia.org/es/</a><br>
+<br>
+Could you please check that the page is ok please ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Yep. It&#39;s fine!<br><br>There is only a very minor thing: In the header of the page, in the section for the language-version labels, the attribute &#39; class=&quot;sel&quot; &#39; should be put in the &#39;<a href="http://donations.mageia.org/es">http://donations.mageia.org/es</a>&#39; link, not in the English one, in order to see the Spanish link in bold characters when the pages is browsed. I forgot to change it, sorry for that!<br>
+<br>Kind regards!<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+It&#39;s online: �<a href="http://donate.mageia.org/es/" target="_blank">http://donate.mageia.org/es/</a><br>
+<br>
+Could you please check that the page is ok please ?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Yep. It&#39;s fine!<br><br>There is only a very minor thing: In the header of the page, in the section for the language-version labels, the attribute &#39; class=&quot;sel&quot; &#39; should be put in the &#39;<a href="http://donations.mageia.org/es">http://donations.mageia.org/es</a>&#39; link, not in the English one, in order to see the Spanish link in bold characters when the pages is browsed. I forgot to change it, sorry for that!<br>
+<br>Kind regards!<br>
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+Hi all from Buenos Aires. <br>Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over wine, probably u say that is not &quot;correct&quot;, but this is <br>another simple contribution for the logos proposal :) <br>
+<br><a href="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</a><br><br>Namaste<br>Pablo Barrera<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Dale Huckeby <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Hoyt Duff wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby &lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net" target="_blank">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br>
+<br>
+Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.<br>
+�:o)<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious<br>
+symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for<br>
+Mageia.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Please be careful of your attributions. I didn&#39;t write that. If you&#39;re going<br>
+to edit out a person&#39;s words edit out his name also.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi all from Buenos Aires. <br>Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over wine, probably u say that is not &quot;correct&quot;, but this is <br>another simple contribution for the logos proposal :) <br>
+<br><a href="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</a><br><br>Namaste<br>Pablo Barrera<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Dale Huckeby <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Hoyt Duff wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby &lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net" target="_blank">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</a><br>
+<br>
+Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.<br>
+�:o)<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious<br>
+symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for<br>
+Mageia.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Please be careful of your attributions. I didn&#39;t write that. If you&#39;re going<br>
+to edit out a person&#39;s words edit out his name also.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
+<!DOCTYPE html>
+<html dir="ltr" lang="nl">
+<head>
+    <meta charset="utf-8" />
+    <title>Mageia - een nieuwe Linux distributie - </title>
+    <meta name="description" content="Mageia is new community-based Linux distribution." />
+    <meta name="keywords" content="mageia, linux, mandriva, free software" />
+    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/styles/all.css" />
+    <script type="text/javascript">
+
+      var _gaq = _gaq || [];
+      _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-18603191-1']);
+      _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.mageia.org']);
+      _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']);
+
+      (function() {
+        var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
+        ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js';
+        var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s);
+      })();
+
+    </script>
+
+</head>
+<body>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://mageia.org/nl/">Mageia</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/nl/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/">Blog</a>
+
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="/">English</a> 
+	| <a href="/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="/nl/" class="sel">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="/ro/">Română</a>	
+	| <a href="/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>&ndash; een nieuwe Linux distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donnatie-campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+
+			    	De recente lancering van  
+			    <a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft veel positieve reacties opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de 				vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om te helpen.<br /><br />
+
+			    	Momenteel hebben we nog geen structuur om een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie te beheren.
+				<br><br> Om aan de verwachtingen te voldoen en om de infrastructuur die nodig is voor de ontwikkeling zo snel 				mogelijk te realiseren, zal de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association (AUFML -  
+				<a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>) voorlopig zorg dragen voor de ontvangen giften en 				deze volledig overdragen aan het Mageia project. 
+
+
+				De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in deze mogelijkheid « [De organisatie heeft als doel] de 				bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen en dit door materiële, intellectuele en 					financiële ondersteuning, volgens de middelen van de organisatie, de vrije projecten, iedere 						privaatrechterlijke of publieke organisatie die promotie maakt voor de vrije software of voor het bedrijf 				Mandriva ». <br><br>
+
+			    
+
+			    	Deze situatie is slechts tijdelijk. Zodra de Mageia-organisatie opgericht is en over een eigen bankrekening 				beschikt, kunnen we de giften rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    	De AUFML belooft van haar kant volledige transparantie omtrent alle ontvangen donnaties.<br><br>
+
+			    	Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om van start te kunnen gaan met  het Mageia project zijn er servers nodig, 				hosting en registratie van de merk- en domeinnamen van Mageia, registratie van de organisatie enz. Er zal 				maandelijks een overzicht worden gemaakt van de giften en hoe deze worden gebruikt. Wij vinden volledige 				transparantie van cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    	Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€2727.79 !</font> ontvangen. 
+			    	Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!<br /><br />
+			    	Details :
+			    	<ul>
+
+				    <li>Bankoverschrijving: 725 €</li>
+				    <li>Cheque: 75 €</li>
+				    <li>Paypal: 1927.79 €</li>
+			    	</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    	<h2>Donnatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+
+			    	U kunt donneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+			    	<strong>Gelieve in de mededeling volgende informatie te vermelden “Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres”, zodat de 				AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project.</strong><br><br>
+
+			    Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor uw
+			    bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+
+			    <u>In favor of/Begunstigde:</u><br /><br />
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br />
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br />
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br />
+				    FRANCE</strong><br /><br />
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br /><br />
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br />
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br /><br />
+
+				    BIC: PSSTFRPPCLE<br /><br />
+
+				    IBAN: FR24 2004 1010 0306 7049 6G02 460<br /><br />
+
+				    RIB: 20041 01003 0670496G024 60</strong><br /><br />
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br /><br />
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van uw donnatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+
+			    <u>Mention/Mededeling:</u><br /><br />
+
+			    Vul hier de donnatie-mededeling in: Mageia -
+			    Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van schenkers
+			    wil worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem toe aan de omschrijving)
+
+			   </div><br /><br />
+
+			   <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Click here to download complete AUFML Bank Identity Data [jpg]</a><br>
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+
+			    	<h2>Donnatie via cheque</h2>
+
+			    	U kunt uw donnatie per cheque overmaken (indien u een Franse bankrekening hebt. Indien u woonachtig bent in de 				Eurozone, maak dan gebruik van een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    	Stuur uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    	<strong>
+				    AUFML<br />
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br />
+
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br />
+				    FRANCE<br />
+			    	</strong>
+			    
+			    	<br />
+
+			    	<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een mededeling mee te geven, 
+				zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    	(Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van schenkers wil worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+                    </div>
+
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Donneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    	U kunt schenken via PayPal ... klik op de
+			    	knop:<br><br>
+
+			    <div align="center">
+				    				    Paypal disabled (current limit reached). Paypal has to raise the (very low) default limit for us. Please be patient...
+				    			    </div>
+
+			    <br /><br />
+
+			    	(Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie op elke schenking ... 
+				dat verklaart het verschil tussen wat u schenkt en wat wij ontvangen).
+
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kan u met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-de">#mageia-de</a> (Deutsch),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donators</h2>
+					(Geduld: de lijst van schenkers wordt manueel bijgewerkt)
+					<br><br>
+
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br />
+
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br />
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br />
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br />
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br />
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br />
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br />
+
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br />
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br />
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br />
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br />
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br />
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br />
+
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br />
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br />
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br />
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br />
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br />
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br />
+
+				  				20: Michael Golden<br />
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br />
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br />
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br />
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br />
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br />
+
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br />
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br />
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br />
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br />
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br />
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br />
+
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br />
+				  				33: Bernd Deinzer<br />
+				  				34: Roland Gillard<br />
+				  				35: Dušan Pavlík<br />
+				  				36: Enrico Gsell<br />
+				  				37: Ernst Pini<br />
+
+				  				38: Dick Gevers<br />
+				  				39: Gonzalo Igartua<br />
+				  				40: Alexander Andreyev<br />
+				  				41: Frank Eisele<br />
+				  				42: Björn Olsson<br />
+				  				43: Lanfranco Gandolfo<br />
+
+				  				44: Gerardo Bueno Jiménez<br />
+				  				45: Murat Demir<br />
+				  				46: Николай Путроенок ( nick7rus )<br />
+				  				47: Alfred Lang<br />
+				  				48: Antonio Pimentel<br />
+				  				49: Olivier Mergnac<br />
+
+				  				50: Marianne Lombard<br />
+				  				51: Eduardo Llana Ugalde<br />
+				  				52: Derek Jennings<br />
+				  				53: Brian Saunderson<br />
+				  				54: Abel Rodríguez Reádigos<br />
+				  				55: Barry Jackson<br />
+
+				  				56: Mike Burgener<br />
+				  				57: Jin-tong Hu<br />
+				  				58: Jani J Välimaa<br />
+				  				59: Jose Fernández Rosa<br />
+				  				60: Pierre Bonneau<br />
+				  				61: Richard Monnier<br />
+
+				  				62: Frederic Forjan<br />
+				  				63: Vincent Calame<br />
+				  				64: Renaud Michel<br />
+				  				65:   Sahaghian<br />
+				  				66: Wolfgagn Bornath ( wobo )<br />
+				  				67: Werner Brinkmann<br />
+
+				  				68: Serge Moreau<br />
+				  				69: Jean Goujoun<br />
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body>
+
+</html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 19:50, Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+
+
+  
+
+<div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote">
+  </div>
+I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>
+She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>
+I will transmit it.<br>
+  <br>
+</blockquote></div></div><br>
+  
+Cool news. <br>
+<br>
+Thanks to you three :)<br>
+<br><br></div></blockquote></div>Here is the result (for <a href="http://donation.mageia.org/nl/">http://donation.mageia.org/nl/</a>)<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
+<!DOCTYPE html>
+<html dir="ltr" lang="nl">
+<head>
+    <meta charset="utf-8" />
+    <title>Mageia - een nieuwe Linux distributie - </title>
+    <meta name="description" content="Mageia is new community-based Linux distribution." />
+    <meta name="keywords" content="mageia, linux, mandriva, free software" />
+    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="/styles/all.css" />
+    <script type="text/javascript">
+
+      var _gaq = _gaq || [];
+      _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-18603191-1']);
+      _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.mageia.org']);
+      _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']);
+
+      (function() {
+        var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
+        ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js';
+        var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s);
+      })();
+
+    </script>
+
+</head>
+<body>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="http://mageia.org/nl/">Mageia</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/">Join us!</a>
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/nl/#contact">IRC, mailing-lists</a>
+	| <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/">Blog</a>
+
+	| <a href="http://mageia.org/press/">Press reviews</a>
+	| <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/nl/" class="sel">Donations</a>
+	</p>
+	<p class="loc"><a href="/de/">Deutsch</a> 
+	| <a href="/el/">Ελληνικά</a> 
+	| <a href="/">English</a> 
+	| <a href="/es/">Español</a> 
+	| <a href="/fi/">Suomeksi</a> 
+	| <a href="/fr/">Français</a> 
+	| <a href="/it/">Italiano</a> 
+	| <a href="/nb/">Bokmål</a> 
+	| <a href="/nl/" class="sel">Nederlands</a> 
+	| <a href="/pl/">Polski</a> 
+	| <a href="/pt-br/">Português do Brasil</a> 
+	| <a href="/ru/">Русский</a> 
+	| <a href="/ro/">Română</a>	
+	| <a href="/tr/">Türkçe</a> 
+	| <a href="/sl/">Slovenščina</a>
+
+	</p>
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+	    <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>&ndash; een nieuwe Linux distributie</span></h1>
+		    <h2>Donnatie-campagne</h2></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+		    <div class="para">
+
+			    	De recente lancering van  
+			    <a href="http://mageia.org/">Mageia</a> heeft veel positieve reacties opgeleverd. Deze kwamen tot uitdrukking in de 				vorm van tal van aanbiedingen om te helpen.<br /><br />
+
+			    	Momenteel hebben we nog geen structuur om een non-profit organisatie voor de distributie te beheren.
+				<br><br> Om aan de verwachtingen te voldoen en om de infrastructuur die nodig is voor de ontwikkeling zo snel 				mogelijk te realiseren, zal de Franstalige Mandriva Users Association (AUFML -  
+				<a href="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org</a>) voorlopig zorg dragen voor de ontvangen giften en 				deze volledig overdragen aan het Mageia project. 
+
+
+				De statuten van de AUFML (artikel 3-2-3) voorzien in deze mogelijkheid « [De organisatie heeft als doel] de 				bescherming en verspreiding van vrije software in het algemeen en dit door materiële, intellectuele en 					financiële ondersteuning, volgens de middelen van de organisatie, de vrije projecten, iedere 						privaatrechterlijke of publieke organisatie die promotie maakt voor de vrije software of voor het bedrijf 				Mandriva ». <br><br>
+
+			    
+
+			    	Deze situatie is slechts tijdelijk. Zodra de Mageia-organisatie opgericht is en over een eigen bankrekening 				beschikt, kunnen we de giften rechtstreeks ontvangen.<br><br>
+
+			    	De AUFML belooft van haar kant volledige transparantie omtrent alle ontvangen donnaties.<br><br>
+
+			    	Hoe worden deze giften aangewend? Om van start te kunnen gaan met  het Mageia project zijn er servers nodig, 				hosting en registratie van de merk- en domeinnamen van Mageia, registratie van de organisatie enz. Er zal 				maandelijks een overzicht worden gemaakt van de giften en hoe deze worden gebruikt. Wij vinden volledige 				transparantie van cruciaal belang.<br><br>
+
+			    	Momenteel hebben we: <font size="6">€2727.79 !</font> ontvangen. 
+			    	Bedankt allemaal, uw hulp is van harte welkom!<br /><br />
+			    	Details :
+			    	<ul>
+
+				    <li>Bankoverschrijving: 725 €</li>
+				    <li>Cheque: 75 €</li>
+				    <li>Paypal: 1927.79 €</li>
+			    	</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+			    	<h2>Donnatie via bankoverschrijving.</h2>
+
+
+			    	U kunt donneren via een bankoverschrijving.
+			    	<strong>Gelieve in de mededeling volgende informatie te vermelden “Mageia - Uw naam - Uw email-adres”, zodat de 				AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project.</strong><br><br>
+
+			    Maak gebruik van de volgende gegevens voor uw
+			    bankoverschrijving:<br><br>
+
+			    <style>
+				    #rib 
+				    {
+					    border: 2px black solid;
+				    }
+			    </style>
+
+			    <div id="rib">
+
+			    <u>In favor of/Begunstigde:</u><br /><br />
+
+			    <strong>ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHONES MANDRIVA LINUX<br />
+				    40 BD JEAN ROSTAND<br />
+				    45800 ST JEAN DE BRAYE<br />
+				    FRANCE</strong><br /><br />
+
+			    <u>Bank Account/Bankrekeningnummer:</u><br /><br />
+
+			    <strong>LA BANQUE POSTALE<br />
+				    CENTRE FINANCIER DE CLERMONT FERRAND<br /><br />
+
+				    BIC: PSSTFRPPCLE<br /><br />
+
+				    IBAN: FR24 2004 1010 0306 7049 6G02 460<br /><br />
+
+				    RIB: 20041 01003 0670496G024 60</strong><br /><br />
+
+			    <u>Amount/Bedrag:</u><br /><br />
+
+			    (Vul hier het bedrag van uw donnatie in €XXX)<br><br>
+
+
+			    <u>Mention/Mededeling:</u><br /><br />
+
+			    Vul hier de donnatie-mededeling in: Mageia -
+			    Uw naam - Uw email-adres)<br>
+			    (Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van schenkers
+			    wil worden opgenomen, voeg dan het woord anoniem toe aan de omschrijving)
+
+			   </div><br /><br />
+
+			   <a href="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">Click here to download complete AUFML Bank Identity Data [jpg]</a><br>
+
+
+                    </div>
+		    <div class="para">
+
+			    	<h2>Donnatie via cheque</h2>
+
+			    	U kunt uw donnatie per cheque overmaken (indien u een Franse bankrekening hebt. Indien u woonachtig bent in de 				Eurozone, maak dan gebruik van een overschrijving).<br><br>
+
+			    	Stuur uw cheque naar:<br><br>
+			    	<strong>
+				    AUFML<br />
+				    56 rue des TILLEULS<br />
+
+				    92100 BOULOGNE<br />
+				    FRANCE<br />
+			    	</strong>
+			    
+			    	<br />
+
+			    	<strong>Vergeet alstublieft niet een mededeling mee te geven, 
+				zodat de AUFML de overschrijving kan linken aan het Mageia project!</strong><br><br>
+
+			    	(Indien u niet in de openbare lijst van schenkers wil worden opgenomen, geef dit dan aan in de omschrijving).
+
+                    </div>
+
+		    <div class="para">
+			    <h2>>Donneren via PayPal</h2>
+
+			    	U kunt schenken via PayPal ... klik op de
+			    	knop:<br><br>
+
+			    <div align="center">
+				    				    Paypal disabled (current limit reached). Paypal has to raise the (very low) default limit for us. Please be patient...
+				    			    </div>
+
+			    <br /><br />
+
+			    	(Waarschuwing: PayPal ontvangt een commissie op elke schenking ... 
+				dat verklaart het verschil tussen wat u schenkt en wat wij ontvangen).
+
+
+                    </div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first">
+			<div class="para">
+				<h2>Hoe kan u met ons in contact komen?</h2>
+
+				<h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Mailing-lists</a></h3>
+
+				<h3>IRC (Freenode network)</h3>
+
+				<ul>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-de">#mageia-de</a> (Deutsch),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+					<li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+				</ul>
+
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+                <div class="yui-u">
+			<div class="para"><h2>Donators</h2>
+					(Geduld: de lijst van schenkers wordt manueel bijgewerkt)
+					<br><br>
+
+								1: Pascal Vilarem ( Maât )<br />
+
+				  				2: Vicente Salvador Cubedo<br />
+				  				3: Samuel Verschelde ( Stormi )<br />
+				  				4: Frédéric Hugot<br />
+				  				5: Jonathan Bayle<br />
+				  				6: Markus Schimpf ( arno911 )<br />
+				  				7: HTJ Simons<br />
+
+				  				8: François Jaouen<br />
+				  				9: Josep Guallar-Esteve<br />
+				  				10: Daniel Le Berre<br />
+				  				11: Richard Neill<br />
+				  				12: Peter Trussel<br />
+				  				13: Marc Pare<br />
+
+				  				14: Dave Postles<br />
+				  				15: Basilio Rosa<br />
+				  				16: George Mitchell<br />
+				  				17: Louis Ramel<br />
+				  				18: Tomislav Jankovic<br />
+				  				19: Alexandre Lucazeau<br />
+
+				  				20: Michael Golden<br />
+				  				21: Jean Peyratout<br />
+				  				22: Philippe Seraphin<br />
+				  				23: Bernard Siaud<br />
+				  				24: Luis Maria Garcia Ruiperez<br />
+				  				25: Céline Harrand<br />
+
+				  				26: Ángel Jiménez Álvaro<br />
+				  				27: Jean-Michel Varvou ( vouf )<br />
+				  				28: Margot Lawrence<br />
+				  				29: Teofilo Casares De La Iglesia<br />
+				  				30: Steven Hess<br />
+				  				31: Erwien Yustitiawan<br />
+
+				  				32: Thibaut François<br />
+				  				33: Bernd Deinzer<br />
+				  				34: Roland Gillard<br />
+				  				35: Dušan Pavlík<br />
+				  				36: Enrico Gsell<br />
+				  				37: Ernst Pini<br />
+
+				  				38: Dick Gevers<br />
+				  				39: Gonzalo Igartua<br />
+				  				40: Alexander Andreyev<br />
+				  				41: Frank Eisele<br />
+				  				42: Björn Olsson<br />
+				  				43: Lanfranco Gandolfo<br />
+
+				  				44: Gerardo Bueno Jiménez<br />
+				  				45: Murat Demir<br />
+				  				46: Николай Путроенок ( nick7rus )<br />
+				  				47: Alfred Lang<br />
+				  				48: Antonio Pimentel<br />
+				  				49: Olivier Mergnac<br />
+
+				  				50: Marianne Lombard<br />
+				  				51: Eduardo Llana Ugalde<br />
+				  				52: Derek Jennings<br />
+				  				53: Brian Saunderson<br />
+				  				54: Abel Rodríguez Reádigos<br />
+				  				55: Barry Jackson<br />
+
+				  				56: Mike Burgener<br />
+				  				57: Jin-tong Hu<br />
+				  				58: Jani J Välimaa<br />
+				  				59: Jose Fernández Rosa<br />
+				  				60: Pierre Bonneau<br />
+				  				61: Richard Monnier<br />
+
+				  				62: Frederic Forjan<br />
+				  				63: Vincent Calame<br />
+				  				64: Renaud Michel<br />
+				  				65:   Sahaghian<br />
+				  				66: Wolfgagn Bornath ( wobo )<br />
+				  				67: Werner Brinkmann<br />
+
+				  				68: Serge Moreau<br />
+				  				69: Jean Goujoun<br />
+				  
+                    </div>
+                </div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+</body>
+
+</html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 19:50, Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+
+
+  
+
+<div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote">
+  </div>
+I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.<br>
+She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.<br>
+I will transmit it.<br>
+  <br>
+</blockquote></div></div><br>
+  
+Cool news. <br>
+<br>
+Thanks to you three :)<br>
+<br><br></div></blockquote></div>Here is the result (for <a href="http://donation.mageia.org/nl/">http://donation.mageia.org/nl/</a>)<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+Hi Andr�<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 andr� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+Please try it, I&#39;d like to see if it would really work.<br>
+Good luck :)<br>
+<br>
+my 2 cents<br><font color="#888888">
+- andr�<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>thanks for the feedback, i have the workstation on my house, so i will make the try this night :) <br><br>regards<br>P.<br><br>
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+Hi Andr�<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 andr� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+Please try it, I&#39;d like to see if it would really work.<br>
+Good luck :)<br>
+<br>
+my 2 cents<br><font color="#888888">
+- andr�<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>thanks for the feedback, i have the workstation on my house, so i will make the try this night :) <br><br>regards<br>P.<br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+# Post did not go through; resending.<br>
+<br>
+Yea, I think the design looks good for boot splash, other than the name
+being hard to read.<br>
+<br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Wayne@WayneSallee.com">Wayne@WayneSallee.com</a><br>
+<br>
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 07:16 AM:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTikcXCF4fRxfaaWfX6N=-shVSO0d39Mj+4ehfgWJ@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">Hi Wayne <br>
+  <br>
+  <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Wayne@waynesallee.com">Wayne@waynesallee.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I
+think
+it's too large of a logo (when you include all the lines), and
+it's too hard to understand the name.<br>
+The line pattern might make a good desktop design.<br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <div><br>
+I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a
+bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely <br>
+runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its
+absolutely intentional :) <br>
+  <br>
+anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure
+for share things...<br>
+  <br>
+  <br>
+regards<br>
+P.<br>
+  <br>
+  </div>
+  </div>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+# Post did not go through; resending.<br>
+<br>
+Yea, I think the design looks good for boot splash, other than the name
+being hard to read.<br>
+<br>
+Wayne Sallee<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Wayne@WayneSallee.com">Wayne@WayneSallee.com</a><br>
+<br>
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 07:16 AM:
+<blockquote
+ cite="mid:AANLkTikcXCF4fRxfaaWfX6N=-shVSO0d39Mj+4ehfgWJ@mail.gmail.com"
+ type="cite">Hi Wayne <br>
+  <br>
+  <div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+ moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Wayne@waynesallee.com">Wayne@waynesallee.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+  <blockquote class="gmail_quote"
+ style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I
+think
+it's too large of a logo (when you include all the lines), and
+it's too hard to understand the name.<br>
+The line pattern might make a good desktop design.<br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <div><br>
+I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a
+bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely <br>
+runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its
+absolutely intentional :) <br>
+  <br>
+anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure
+for share things...<br>
+  <br>
+  <br>
+regards<br>
+P.<br>
+  <br>
+  </div>
+  </div>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Binary Trance &lt;<a href="mailto:binarytrance@gmail.com">binarytrance@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; Please be careful of your attributions. I didn&#39;t write that. If you&#39;re<br>
+&gt;&gt; going<br>
+&gt;&gt; to edit out a person&#39;s words edit out his name also.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dale Huckeby<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Dale, I apologize for my sloppy trimming. With all the nested replies,<br>
+over-quoting and top-posting, it gets a little jumbled at times.<br>
+<br>
+And I now see how badly GMail sucks at reading mail lists.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I like Gmail at reading, but writing a new message is annoying due to top posting.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Binary Trance &lt;<a href="mailto:binarytrance@gmail.com">binarytrance@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt;&gt; Please be careful of your attributions. I didn&#39;t write that. If you&#39;re<br>
+&gt;&gt; going<br>
+&gt;&gt; to edit out a person&#39;s words edit out his name also.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Dale Huckeby<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Dale, I apologize for my sloppy trimming. With all the nested replies,<br>
+over-quoting and top-posting, it gets a little jumbled at times.<br>
+<br>
+And I now see how badly GMail sucks at reading mail lists.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>I like Gmail at reading, but writing a new message is annoying due to top posting.<br>
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+<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi everyone,<div><br></div><div>Going to throw out an idea born by the members on <a href="http://Mageia-se.org">Mageia-se.org</a> about the handling of translations.</div><div>This might be an obvious idea, and if so we'll be happy :-)</div><div><br></div><div>I'm going to quote the text i wrote in #mageia since i currently feel too lazy to re-write it. Hope you understand what i'm trying to say with the text.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">"Had a discussion on <a href="http://Mageia-se.org">Mageia-se.org</a> where we talked about making translations of the disto from the community itself. The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone before putting on the mailist, is that each country community starts a section (a wiki for example) where all the members of that community are able to translate as much as they are able and then, when reaching a certain percent translated, the translation is returned to the main developer team for implementation."</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Grande'"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Grande'">"the main motivation from the members on <a href="http://mageia-se.org">mageia-se.org</a> was that everyone could feel apart of the work and feel useful since even only translating one word would be a contribution."<br></font><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div><div>----</div><div><br></div><div>Betygs�tt g�rna mitt mail!</div><div><a href="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</a></div><div><br></div><div>----</div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Best Regards / V�nligen ,</div><div><br></div><div>Stockholm Next Generation Web</div><div>David V. Wallin</div><div>+46 (0)8 4100 39 82</div><div><a href="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</a></div><div><a href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span>
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+<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi everyone,<div><br></div><div>Going to throw out an idea born by the members on <a href="http://Mageia-se.org">Mageia-se.org</a> about the handling of translations.</div><div>This might be an obvious idea, and if so we'll be happy :-)</div><div><br></div><div>I'm going to quote the text i wrote in #mageia since i currently feel too lazy to re-write it. Hope you understand what i'm trying to say with the text.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; ">"Had a discussion on <a href="http://Mageia-se.org">Mageia-se.org</a> where we talked about making translations of the disto from the community itself. The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone before putting on the mailist, is that each country community starts a section (a wiki for example) where all the members of that community are able to translate as much as they are able and then, when reaching a certain percent translated, the translation is returned to the main developer team for implementation."</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Grande'"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="'Lucida Grande'">"the main motivation from the members on <a href="http://mageia-se.org">mageia-se.org</a> was that everyone could feel apart of the work and feel useful since even only translating one word would be a contribution."<br></font><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Georgia; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br></div><div>----</div><div><br></div><div>Betygs�tt g�rna mitt mail!</div><div><a href="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</a></div><div><br></div><div>----</div><div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">Best Regards / V�nligen ,</div><div><br></div><div>Stockholm Next Generation Web</div><div>David V. Wallin</div><div>+46 (0)8 4100 39 82</div><div><a href="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</a></div><div><a href="mailto:david@ngweb.se">david@ngweb.se</a></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></span></span>
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+<br></div></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+On 09/28/2010 10:13 AM, Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+<blockquote cite="mid:4CA1A3C3.8080801@gmail.com" type="cite">
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+Le 26/09/2010 22:50, Rory Albertyn a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+  <blockquote cite="mid:4C9FB22A.1090900@radiantnet.co.za" type="cite">Greetings,
+
+    <br>
+    <br>
+A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is
+#mageia-za on freenode. <br>
+    <br>
+I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to
+request a mailing list and links on the website. <br>
+    <br>
+~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode) <br>
+    <br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <font face="Liberation Sans">Thank you very much!<br>
+  <br>
+In fact, I think this would really be great and helpful to also support
+afrikaans and people from South Africa. <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>
+:-) </span></span><br>
+  <br>
+Skiper.<br>
+  </font> </blockquote>
+<br>
+Work on the South African site has begun. mageia-za.org should have
+propagated by now as well. I think&nbsp; buddypress would work nicely as a
+community site as it fits most of our needs. Any comments, constructive
+criticism and input on this would be most welcome. It is a community
+after all. <br>
+<br>
+Skiper, Afrikaans will indeed be supported on par with English. French
+translation could also be looked at for those speaking the language in
+the Southern African regions too.<br>
+<br>
+Once the Site is up, I'll be looking at potential mirrors for the ZA
+users.<br>
+<br>
+~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+On 09/28/2010 10:13 AM, Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+<blockquote cite="mid:4CA1A3C3.8080801@gmail.com" type="cite">
+  <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+ http-equiv="Content-Type">
+Le 26/09/2010 22:50, Rory Albertyn a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+  <blockquote cite="mid:4C9FB22A.1090900@radiantnet.co.za" type="cite">Greetings,
+
+    <br>
+    <br>
+A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is
+#mageia-za on freenode. <br>
+    <br>
+I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to
+request a mailing list and links on the website. <br>
+    <br>
+~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode) <br>
+    <br>
+  </blockquote>
+  <font face="Liberation Sans">Thank you very much!<br>
+  <br>
+In fact, I think this would really be great and helpful to also support
+afrikaans and people from South Africa. <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>
+:-) </span></span><br>
+  <br>
+Skiper.<br>
+  </font> </blockquote>
+<br>
+Work on the South African site has begun. mageia-za.org should have
+propagated by now as well. I think&nbsp; buddypress would work nicely as a
+community site as it fits most of our needs. Any comments, constructive
+criticism and input on this would be most welcome. It is a community
+after all. <br>
+<br>
+Skiper, Afrikaans will indeed be supported on par with English. French
+translation could also be looked at for those speaking the language in
+the Southern African regions too.<br>
+<br>
+Once the Site is up, I'll be looking at potential mirrors for the ZA
+users.<br>
+<br>
+~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)<br>
+</body>
+</html>
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+Hi, besides the translation can help with the blog. I didn&#39;t �found where �put the name on the Wiki, by the way in which topics arise.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">W dniu 2010-09-29 19:17, Ireneusz Gierlach pisze:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.<br>
+I can also help out with the EN version :)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I can help out with the Polish version. I have already finished translating all the entries but nobody could tell me where to submit them.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br><font color="#888888">
+Adrian<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mingo <br>+55 11 7141 2357 (Vivo)<br>BlackBerry Device (9000 Bold OS 4.6)<br>S�o Paulo<br>Desenvolvedor Web<br>
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+Hi, besides the translation can help with the blog. I didn&#39;t �found where �put the name on the Wiki, by the way in which topics arise.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">W dniu 2010-09-29 19:17, Ireneusz Gierlach pisze:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.<br>
+I can also help out with the EN version :)<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I can help out with the Polish version. I have already finished translating all the entries but nobody could tell me where to submit them.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br><font color="#888888">
+Adrian<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mingo <br>+55 11 7141 2357 (Vivo)<br>BlackBerry Device (9000 Bold OS 4.6)<br>S�o Paulo<br>Desenvolvedor Web<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Morgan Leijström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+When on slow download it is more appreciated if all possible dependencies<br>
+would have ben installed with the requested program at original install time<br>
+from DVD or fast internet @home/work instead of slow wireless/phone<br>
+connection.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree</div><div>But the default behaviour provide different way to have the same result, finally.</div><div>Only *updates* are downloaded if local repository is beeing used.</div>
+<div>No ? </div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Morgan Leijström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+When on slow download it is more appreciated if all possible dependencies<br>
+would have ben installed with the requested program at original install time<br>
+from DVD or fast internet @home/work instead of slow wireless/phone<br>
+connection.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree</div><div>But the default behaviour provide different way to have the same result, finally.</div><div>Only *updates* are downloaded if local repository is beeing used.</div>
+<div>No ? </div></div>
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+Lately I&#39;ve become more and more impatient. But I think it is fast enough to have RPMDrake refreshing its lists in less than a minute on a Atom based machine.<br>For me, RPMDrake is enough.<br>What I disliked in time, using Mandriva only, is that when I install some app, I got a message saying &quot;if you want this app, you must uninstall these libs (and their using apps)&quot;. I mean, sometimes, I must chose one app or another, I can&#39;t have both because I can&#39;t have two versions of the same lib or I must chose a specific implementation of a concept in a lib (when there are many implementations of the same thing). This is what I would change, and it is not related to package management applications. I guess it is the OS or distro philosophy.<br>
+<br>I love revolutions, major changes and drastic re-coding if needed only. Not when it is just a matter of fashion, like, let&#39;s say, I get a new car just because this year curvy designs come into the light. No matter if the quality is less sometimes.<br>
+<br>So, IMHO, actual packaging is OK, the management of it could be improved maybe.<br><br>I would love to see, when install mplayer, for instance, a list of plugins available, to check some I need and to install them. But that&#39;s often related to the architecture of the main application.<br>
+<br>Sometimes, having too much choices like in Linux world, is an issue for choosing the right tool. Why not polish some tools with clear usage targets together instead of creating again and again things with 60% of functionalities overlapping, longing for some other 20% of functionalities to implement in one tool from the other tool?<br>
+<br>
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+Lately I&#39;ve become more and more impatient. But I think it is fast enough to have RPMDrake refreshing its lists in less than a minute on a Atom based machine.<br>For me, RPMDrake is enough.<br>What I disliked in time, using Mandriva only, is that when I install some app, I got a message saying &quot;if you want this app, you must uninstall these libs (and their using apps)&quot;. I mean, sometimes, I must chose one app or another, I can&#39;t have both because I can&#39;t have two versions of the same lib or I must chose a specific implementation of a concept in a lib (when there are many implementations of the same thing). This is what I would change, and it is not related to package management applications. I guess it is the OS or distro philosophy.<br>
+<br>I love revolutions, major changes and drastic re-coding if needed only. Not when it is just a matter of fashion, like, let&#39;s say, I get a new car just because this year curvy designs come into the light. No matter if the quality is less sometimes.<br>
+<br>So, IMHO, actual packaging is OK, the management of it could be improved maybe.<br><br>I would love to see, when install mplayer, for instance, a list of plugins available, to check some I need and to install them. But that&#39;s often related to the architecture of the main application.<br>
+<br>Sometimes, having too much choices like in Linux world, is an issue for choosing the right tool. Why not polish some tools with clear usage targets together instead of creating again and again things with 60% of functionalities overlapping, longing for some other 20% of functionalities to implement in one tool from the other tool?<br>
+<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Olivier Méjean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 15:34:38, Maât a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; If you run fast enough to <a href="http://donate.mageia.com" target="_blank">http://donate.mageia.com</a> you&#39;ll see something<br>
+&gt; amusing...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ...the last donator made a humoristic donation that raised the amount to<br>
+&gt; show three times the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,<br>
+&gt; The Universe, and Everything :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Fun enough to notice :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; Maât<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (Hope this will bring good luck to Mageia)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Ok guys, we&#39;ve got the screen capture, keep on donate !!<br><font color="#888888"></font><font color="#888888"></font> </blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m sure we can reach another noticeable amount !<br>Go Go Go !!<br>
+<br>=)<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Elodie / DjeZAeL<br>Utilisatrice de GNU/Linux et de Logiciels Libres<br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Olivier Méjean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 15:34:38, Maât a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; If you run fast enough to <a href="http://donate.mageia.com" target="_blank">http://donate.mageia.com</a> you&#39;ll see something<br>
+&gt; amusing...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ...the last donator made a humoristic donation that raised the amount to<br>
+&gt; show three times the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,<br>
+&gt; The Universe, and Everything :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Fun enough to notice :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; Maât<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; (Hope this will bring good luck to Mageia)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Ok guys, we&#39;ve got the screen capture, keep on donate !!<br><font color="#888888"></font><font color="#888888"></font> </blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m sure we can reach another noticeable amount !<br>Go Go Go !!<br>
+<br>=)<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Elodie / DjeZAeL<br>Utilisatrice de GNU/Linux et de Logiciels Libres<br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 29/09/2010 11:13, Marcello Anni a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:201009291113.43226.marcello.anni@alice.it"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">hi all,
+i'm sorry for the subject of this e-mail but i would like it won't be ignored. 
+i think we need soon an artwork-related mailing list as this general ML is 
+being cluttered of proposals and e-mails not related at all with the aim of 
+this ML. can someone take in charge this task (or advice who can make it)? i 
+think also that we should make a poll to choose the logo and the pay-off.
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
+
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    +1 We need an mailing list about design and graphics.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:
+      separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman';
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2;
+      text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
+      widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span
+        class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);
+        font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif; font-size:
+        11px; font-weight: bold;"></span></span><br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 29/09/2010 11:13, Marcello Anni a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:201009291113.43226.marcello.anni@alice.it"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">hi all,
+i'm sorry for the subject of this e-mail but i would like it won't be ignored. 
+i think we need soon an artwork-related mailing list as this general ML is 
+being cluttered of proposals and e-mails not related at all with the aim of 
+this ML. can someone take in charge this task (or advice who can make it)? i 
+think also that we should make a poll to choose the logo and the pay-off.
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
+
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    +1 We need an mailing list about design and graphics.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse:
+      separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman';
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2;
+      text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
+      widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span
+        class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51);
+        font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif; font-size:
+        11px; font-weight: bold;"></span></span><br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010, Ahmad Samir a �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Why not reduce the number of install media and build a ONE DVD ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; JPB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; How much RAM would a Live DVD need to run smoothly? note that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; everything is run in the RAM with live discs.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If we run the same applications, why should it needs more ram than a live CD ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Also, the One CD's are mostly considered as a way to give a distro a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; test drive, it's a bonus that we can install it...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A much needed bonus if we need to &quot;compete&quot; with other distro !</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And we will get rid of a lot problems you got when installing from a ONE CD. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; --�</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Ahmad Samir</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010, Ahmad Samir a �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Why not reduce the number of install media and build a ONE DVD ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; JPB</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; How much RAM would a Live DVD need to run smoothly? note that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; everything is run in the RAM with live discs.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If we run the same applications, why should it needs more ram than a live CD ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Also, the One CD's are mostly considered as a way to give a distro a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; test drive, it's a bonus that we can install it...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A much needed bonus if we need to &quot;compete&quot; with other distro !</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And we will get rid of a lot problems you got when installing from a ONE CD. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; --�</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Ahmad Samir</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p></body></html>
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+<p>I can help with the English blog if needed!</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 29, 2010 1:12 PM, &quot;Damien Lallement&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; Hello boys and girls,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).<br>&gt; <br>&gt; What is the role of the Blog Team?<br>&gt; - Manage blogs ;<br>&gt; - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;<br>&gt; - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team <br>
+&gt; and the other related teams) ;<br>&gt; - Translate content from the EN blog ;<br>&gt; - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;<br>&gt; - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or <br>&gt; remarks in the threads of a blog ;<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the <br>&gt; process to follow for each tasks asked.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by <br>
+&gt; default).<br>&gt; If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread <br>&gt; to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be <br>&gt; in charge of it!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+&gt; So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Damien Lallement<br></div>
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+<p>I can help with the English blog if needed!</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sep 29, 2010 1:12 PM, &quot;Damien Lallement&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; Hello boys and girls,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).<br>&gt; <br>&gt; What is the role of the Blog Team?<br>&gt; - Manage blogs ;<br>&gt; - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;<br>&gt; - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team <br>
+&gt; and the other related teams) ;<br>&gt; - Translate content from the EN blog ;<br>&gt; - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;<br>&gt; - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or <br>&gt; remarks in the threads of a blog ;<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the <br>&gt; process to follow for each tasks asked.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by <br>
+&gt; default).<br>&gt; If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread <br>&gt; to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be <br>&gt; in charge of it!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+&gt; So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Damien Lallement<br></div>
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+<div id="inputt13n" style="display: none;"><input id="t13nimg" type="checkbox"><span id="t13ntext" dir="ltr"></span></div><div style="display: none;" id="select_document">Escribe texto o la direcci�n de un sitio web o <a href="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es">traduce un documento</a>.</div>
+<div id="file_div" class="file" style="display: none;"><div style="display: none;" id="select_text"><a href="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es">Cancelar</a></div><input style="display: none;" name="file" id="file" size="40" type="file"></div>
+<h3 class="" id="headingtext"></h3><div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell" style=""><div dir="ltr" style=""><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">I created some hope that some like.</span></span></div>
+</div><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">��� <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/</a></span><br clear="all"><br>
+<br>Thanks<br><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
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+<div id="inputt13n" style="display: none;"><input id="t13nimg" type="checkbox"><span id="t13ntext" dir="ltr"></span></div><div style="display: none;" id="select_document">Escribe texto o la direcci�n de un sitio web o <a href="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es">traduce un documento</a>.</div>
+<div id="file_div" class="file" style="display: none;"><div style="display: none;" id="select_text"><a href="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es">Cancelar</a></div><input style="display: none;" name="file" id="file" size="40" type="file"></div>
+<h3 class="" id="headingtext"></h3><div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell" style=""><div dir="ltr" style=""><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="" title="">I created some hope that some like.</span></span></div>
+</div><br><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 153);">��� <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/</a></span><br clear="all"><br>
+<br>Thanks<br><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Hello Andr�,<br><br>We can do this work together, since it does not have much time available</span></span>.<br><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">What do you think?</span></span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 29 de setembro de 2010 17:54, Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/29 Damien Lallement &lt;mageia@...&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+&gt; &gt; So, let&#39;s go to apply.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;d love to join the PT_BR team translation, since I already translated the<br>
+donation page for this language, but I have some commitments to college, I&#39;ll<br>
+pass the ball to whoever has the readiness to blog on. However, I&#39;m available to<br>
+do small translations.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class=""><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">Hello Andr�,<br><br>We can do this work together, since it does not have much time available</span></span>.<br><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">What do you think?</span></span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 29 de setembro de 2010 17:54, Andr� Machado <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afmachado@dcemail.com">afmachado@dcemail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+&gt; 2010/9/29 Damien Lallement &lt;mageia@...&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+&gt; &gt; So, let&#39;s go to apply.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>I&#39;d love to join the PT_BR team translation, since I already translated the<br>
+donation page for this language, but I have some commitments to college, I&#39;ll<br>
+pass the ball to whoever has the readiness to blog on. However, I&#39;m available to<br>
+do small translations.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+I can help replicating and summarizing in Portuguese and spanish.<div><br></div><div>How can i join the team?</div><div><div><br></div><div><br>On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Ireneusz Gierlach &lt;<a href="mailto:irek.gierlach@gmail.com">irek.gierlach@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; �On 09/29/2010 01:05 PM, Damien Lallement wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by default).<br>&gt;&gt; If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be in charge of it!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>&gt;&gt; So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.<br>&gt; I can also help out with the EN version :)<br>
+<br><br><br>--<br>Mingo<br>+55 11 7141 2357 (Vivo)<br>BlackBerry Device (9000 Bold OS 4.6)<br>S�o Paulo<br>Desenvolvedor Web<br></div></div>
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+I can help replicating and summarizing in Portuguese and spanish.<div><br></div><div>How can i join the team?</div><div><div><br></div><div><br>On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Ireneusz Gierlach &lt;<a href="mailto:irek.gierlach@gmail.com">irek.gierlach@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; �On 09/29/2010 01:05 PM, Damien Lallement wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by default).<br>&gt;&gt; If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be in charge of it!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>&gt;&gt; So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.<br>&gt; I can also help out with the EN version :)<br>
+<br><br><br>--<br>Mingo<br>+55 11 7141 2357 (Vivo)<br>BlackBerry Device (9000 Bold OS 4.6)<br>S�o Paulo<br>Desenvolvedor Web<br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 rom1dep <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rom1dep@gmail.com">rom1dep@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2010/9/29 Dubeau, Patrick &lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:bounces@mageia.org">bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de rom1dep<br>
+&gt;&gt; Envoy�: 29 septembre 2010 08:44<br>
+&gt;&gt; ��: Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt;&gt; Objet�: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I find this one pretty cool, maybe the colors need to be reworked a<br>
+&gt;&gt; little but this proposal is modern, attractive, nice work !<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi rom1dep,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Wich one? You didn&#39;t provide the link. ;)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I&#39;m speaking about<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal" target="_blank">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</a> , just<br>
+like if I was posting at the bottom of a ML-thread ;)<br>
+<br>
+Romain.<br></blockquote><div><br>yes, im working on the rework of the logo<br><br>P.<br>�<br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 rom1dep <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rom1dep@gmail.com">rom1dep@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2010/9/29 Dubeau, Patrick &lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;&gt; <a href="mailto:bounces@mageia.org">bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de rom1dep<br>
+&gt;&gt; Envoy�: 29 septembre 2010 08:44<br>
+&gt;&gt; ��: Mageia general discussions<br>
+&gt;&gt; Objet�: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I find this one pretty cool, maybe the colors need to be reworked a<br>
+&gt;&gt; little but this proposal is modern, attractive, nice work !<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi rom1dep,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Wich one? You didn&#39;t provide the link. ;)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>I&#39;m speaking about<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal" target="_blank">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</a> , just<br>
+like if I was posting at the bottom of a ML-thread ;)<br>
+<br>
+Romain.<br></blockquote><div><br>yes, im working on the rework of the logo<br><br>P.<br>�<br></div></div><br>
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+<div>Need help with Blogs? I&#39;m here!�</div><div>I can help in &quot;pt_br&quot; and &quot;en&quot; blogs.</div><div><br></div><div>J�nior</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hello boys and girls,<br>
+<br>
+As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.<br>
+I&#39;m looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).<br>
+<br>
+What is the role of the Blog Team?<br>
+- Manage blogs ;<br>
+- Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;<br>
+- Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team and the other related teams) ;<br>
+- Translate content from the EN blog ;<br>
+- Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;<br>
+- Inform the project and needed people about important comments or remarks in the threads of a blog ;<br>
+<br>
+I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the process to follow for each tasks asked.<br>
+<br>
+For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by default).<br>
+If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be in charge of it!<br>
+<br>
+To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>
+-- <br><font color="#888888">
+Damien Lallement<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>Need help with Blogs? I&#39;m here!�</div><div>I can help in &quot;pt_br&quot; and &quot;en&quot; blogs.</div><div><br></div><div>J�nior</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hello boys and girls,<br>
+<br>
+As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.<br>
+I&#39;m looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).<br>
+<br>
+What is the role of the Blog Team?<br>
+- Manage blogs ;<br>
+- Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;<br>
+- Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team and the other related teams) ;<br>
+- Translate content from the EN blog ;<br>
+- Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;<br>
+- Inform the project and needed people about important comments or remarks in the threads of a blog ;<br>
+<br>
+I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the process to follow for each tasks asked.<br>
+<br>
+For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by default).<br>
+If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be in charge of it!<br>
+<br>
+To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>
+-- <br><font color="#888888">
+Damien Lallement<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Thanks.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Ireneusz Gierlach <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:irek.gierlach@gmail.com">irek.gierlach@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+�On 09/29/2010 07:36 PM, Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Escribe texto o la direcci�n de un sitio web o traduce un documento &lt;<a href="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es" target="_blank">http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es</a>&gt;.<br>
+Cancelar &lt;<a href="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es" target="_blank">http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es</a>&gt;<div class="im"><br>
+I created some hope that some like.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+Logo_B = Nice :D<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
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+Thanks.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Ireneusz Gierlach <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:irek.gierlach@gmail.com">irek.gierlach@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+�On 09/29/2010 07:36 PM, Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Escribe texto o la direcci�n de un sitio web o traduce un documento &lt;<a href="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es" target="_blank">http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es</a>&gt;.<br>
+Cancelar &lt;<a href="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es" target="_blank">http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=t&amp;hl=es</a>&gt;<div class="im"><br>
+I created some hope that some like.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+Logo_B = Nice :D<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100929/f3797bb3/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20100929/f3797bb3/attachment-0001.html
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010, Ahmad Samir a �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Aye, I wasn't suggesting double layer, just saying that DVD installs are</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; way better than CD for my money. :~)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Me too, I've always used the Free DVD.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why not reduce the number of install media and build a ONE DVD ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010, Ahmad Samir a �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Aye, I wasn't suggesting double layer, just saying that DVD installs are</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; way better than CD for my money. :~)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Me too, I've always used the Free DVD.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why not reduce the number of install media and build a ONE DVD ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">JPB</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+Hello,<br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">I can be responsible for the blog in pt-br.<br><br>Hugs,<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Olivier M�jean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 19:05:17, Damien Lallement a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello boys and girls,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What is the role of the Blog Team?<br>
+&gt; - Manage blogs ;<br>
+&gt; - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;<br>
+&gt; - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team<br>
+&gt; and the other related teams) ;<br>
+&gt; - Translate content from the EN blog ;<br>
+&gt; - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;<br>
+&gt; - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or<br>
+&gt; remarks in the threads of a blog ;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the<br>
+&gt; process to follow for each tasks asked.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by<br>
+&gt; default).<br>
+&gt; If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread<br>
+&gt; to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be<br>
+&gt; in charge of it!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+&gt; So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>if help needed for French, i am here :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Olivier M�jean<br>
+Pr�sident de l&#39;Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br>
+<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br>
+twitter : obagoom<br>
+<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+Hello,<br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text"><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" title="">I can be responsible for the blog in pt-br.<br><br>Hugs,<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/29 Olivier M�jean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 19:05:17, Damien Lallement a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hello boys and girls,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What is the role of the Blog Team?<br>
+&gt; - Manage blogs ;<br>
+&gt; - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;<br>
+&gt; - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team<br>
+&gt; and the other related teams) ;<br>
+&gt; - Translate content from the EN blog ;<br>
+&gt; - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;<br>
+&gt; - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or<br>
+&gt; remarks in the threads of a blog ;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the<br>
+&gt; process to follow for each tasks asked.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by<br>
+&gt; default).<br>
+&gt; If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread<br>
+&gt; to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be<br>
+&gt; in charge of it!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+&gt; So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>if help needed for French, i am here :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Olivier M�jean<br>
+Pr�sident de l&#39;Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br>
+<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br>
+twitter : obagoom<br>
+<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+Hello <br><br>i am asking for being up to date with free community and so project fork after oracle and sun ... <br><br>is about  Mariadb instead of mysql <br><br>libreoffice instead of OOO <br><br>for the javajdk debian Ubuntu and many have allready change to Openjdk <br>
+<br>what will be for Maegia to be first whith these project easy to use in ? <br><br>tonton<br>
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+Hello <br><br>i am asking for being up to date with free community and so project fork after oracle and sun ... <br><br>is about  Mariadb instead of mysql <br><br>libreoffice instead of OOO <br><br>for the javajdk debian Ubuntu and many have allready change to Openjdk <br>
+<br>what will be for Maegia to be first whith these project easy to use in ? <br><br>tonton<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">
+Le 2010-09-29 13:05, Damien Lallement a �crit :<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+Hello boys and girls,<br>
+<br>
+As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.<br>
+I&#39;m looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).<br>
+<br></div>
+...<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>
+</div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></div></blockquote></blockquote><br><div>�</div></div>I would be interested to translate in french and do moderation :-)<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Tybaut
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">
+Le 2010-09-29 13:05, Damien Lallement a �crit :<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+Hello boys and girls,<br>
+<br>
+As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.<br>
+I&#39;m looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).<br>
+<br></div>
+...<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.<br>
+So, let&#39;s go to apply. :-)<br>
+</div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></div></blockquote></blockquote><br><div>�</div></div>I would be interested to translate in french and do moderation :-)<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+Tybaut
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+Let everyone write whatever they want to. Be open and give open answers, whoever they are, where ever they come from.<br><br>
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+Let everyone write whatever they want to. Be open and give open answers, whoever they are, where ever they come from.<br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Andr� e Felipe, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I can also help with translation.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Qua 29 Set 2010, �s 17:58:55, Filipe Saraiva escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hello Andr�,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; We can do this work together, since it does not have much time available.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; What do you think?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Em 29 de setembro de 2010 17:54, Andr� Machado &lt;afmachado@dcemail.com&gt;escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 2010/9/29 Damien Lallement &lt;mageia@...&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So, let's go to apply.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I'd love to join the PT_BR team translation, since I already translated</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the donation page for this language, but I have some commitments to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; college, I'll</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; pass the ball to whoever has the readiness to blog on. However, I'm</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; available to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; do small translations.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Andr� e Felipe, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I can also help with translation.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Qua 29 Set 2010, �s 17:58:55, Filipe Saraiva escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hello Andr�,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; We can do this work together, since it does not have much time available.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; What do you think?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Em 29 de setembro de 2010 17:54, Andr� Machado &lt;afmachado@dcemail.com&gt;escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 2010/9/29 Damien Lallement &lt;mageia@...&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; So, let's go to apply.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I'd love to join the PT_BR team translation, since I already translated</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the donation page for this language, but I have some commitments to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; college, I'll</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; pass the ball to whoever has the readiness to blog on. However, I'm</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; available to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; do small translations.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
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+Thanks.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/30 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:36:18 -0600, Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; �<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div> �the &#39;purple eye&#39; icon is quite nice!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+/\/\aurice<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
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+Thanks.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/9/30 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:36:18 -0600, Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; �<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div> �the &#39;purple eye&#39; icon is quite nice!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+/\/\aurice<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
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+        <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– O nouă distribuție Linux</span></h1></div>
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+                <div class="para">
+                    <p class="date">Paris, 18 septembrie 2010</p>
+                    <p>Cum poate ați dedus deja, viitorul distribuției Mandriva Linux est astăzi incert.</p>
+                    <p>Marea majoritate a angajaților care lucrau la 
+distribuție au fost concediați odată cu lichidarea diviziei Edge-It. Noi  
+nu mai avem încredere în planurile de viitor ale societății Mandriva și nu mai  
+credem că Mandriva este o soluție sigură pentru susținerea unui astfel de 
+proiecet.</p>
+
+                    <p>Un număr mare de evenimente au marcat   
+ ultimii 12 ani.
+                    Unele au fost foarte pozitive: comunitatea 
+Mandriva Linux s-a dezvoltat, este solidă, motivată și 
+experimentată, distribuția rămîne una dintre cele mai cunoscute și 
+apreciate, ușor de utilizat și inovantă.
+                    Alte evenimente au avut un adevărat impact negativ
+ și comunitatea se îndoiește astăzi din ce în ce mai mult de viabilitatea distribuției 
+sale favorite.</p>
+                    <p>Cei care lucrează la acest proiect nu doresc să mai  
+depindă de fluctuațiile economiei, mai mult sau mai puțin neregulate, sau de
+ schimbările de strategie fără explicație ale firmei.</p>
+                </div>
+                <div class="para">
+                    <h2>Rupere de Mandriva Linux? Da.</h2>
+
+                    <p>Ruperea de un proiect cu sursă deschisă existent nu 
+este niciodată o decizie simplă, iar ruperea de Mandriva Linux reprezintă o sarcină 
+imensă.</p>
+                    <p>Nu este vorba de un capriciu. Am discutat destul 
+înainte de-a lua decizia: între foștii angajați, cu contribuitorii 
+la Cooker și cu utilizatorii. Ne-am ascultat reciproc în aceste ultime  
+săptămîni, deoarece aveam nevoie să se facă simțite începuturile unui 
+consens înainte de a merge mai departe.</p>
+
+                    <p>Sîntem de părere că ruptura este cea mai bună soluție și am decis să lansăm o nouă distribuție: <strong>Mageia</strong>.</p>
+                </div>
+                                <div class="para">
+                            <h2>Baze noi.</h2>
+                    <p>Mageia este un proiect comunitar: nu depinde de soarta nici unei firme.</p>
+                            <p>O asociație (organizație nonprofit)
+se va înființa în zilele ce vor veni și va fi gestionată de un 
+consiliu constituit din membrii comunității. După un an,
+ acest consiliu va fi reales în mod regulat de către comunitate.</p>
+                            <p>Această organizație va gestiona și coordona 
+distribuția: codul și găzduirea aplicațiilor și a distribuției, 
+sistemului de clădire, marketing, va favoriza discuțiile și 
+evenimentele. Datele, foile de parcurs, conceptele vor fi partajate și 
+discutate în cadrul acestei organizații.</p>
+                            <p>Vom discuta și formaliza toate aceste detalii în zilele ce vor veni.</p>
+                            <p>Distribuția Mageia va fi ceea ce 
+va dori consiliul cu ajutrul și contribuția întregii 
+comunități. Avem deja idei și planuri pentru această 
+contribuție, dorim să:</p>
+                            <ul>
+                                <li>facem Linuxul și programele libere mult mai accesibile pentru toată lumea;</li>
+                                <li>oferim unelte de configurare complet integrate cu sistemul;</li>
+                                <li>menținem un înalt nivel 
+de integrare între sistemul de bază, birou (KDE/GNOME) și 
+aplicații cu o focalizare în mod particular pe integrarea 
+aplicațiilor terțe (proprietare sau nu)</li>
+                                <li>orientăm către noi arhitecturi materiale și platforme;</li>
+                                <li>ameliorăm înțelegerea noastră despre calculatoare și periferice.</li>
+                            </ul>
+                            <p>Fără îndoială că aveți și voi ideile voastre. O să vă acordăm tot timpul necesar să le partajăm.</p>
+                        </div>
+                        <div class="para">
+                            <h2>Comunitatea.</h2>
+                            <p>Pentru noi comunitatea Mageia este alcătuită din:</p>
+                            <ul>
+                                <li>utilizatori,</li>
+                                <li>fabricanți (creatori, dezvoltatori, împachetatori, traducători, testeri, etc.),</li>
+                                <li>susținători și avocați liberi.</li>
+                            </ul>
+                            <p>Membri comunității prot fi indivizi, organizații sau firme din lumea întreagă.</p>
+                            <p>Avem aici o adevărată provocare: 
+țări diferite, limbi diferite, culturi și nevoi tot 
+atît de diferite. Iar acest lucru ni-se pare formidabil.</p>
+                            <p>Experiența cu Mandriva Assembly a pus în 
+evidență dificultatea acestei sarcini. Dar credem că putem propune 
+ceva mult mai bun!</p>
+                        </div>
+                        <div class="para">
+                            <h2>Oamenii.</h2>
+                            <p>Indiferent de ce faceți în viață, 
+oamenii sînt cea mai importantă și adevărata resursă. Mageia are ca obiectiv să 
+vă fie utilă fiecăruia dintre voi. Încrederea este un
+imperativ.</p>
+                            <p>Sîntem încă la începutul acestei rupturi. Nu o să fie simplu. Dar sîntem de părere că este necesar.</p>
+
+                            <ul>
+    <li>Ahmad Samir (ahmad78) - contribuitor Mandriva (echipa bug triage, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Alfonso Vera (Bersuit) - administrator Blograke</li>
+    <li>Angelo Naselli (anaselli) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Anne Nicolas (ennael) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost împachetator, release manager, gestionarea comunităţii)</li>
+    <li>Anssi Hannula (Anssi) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, traduceri)</li>
+    <li>Arnaud Patard (rtp) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost dezvoltator de nucleu)</li>
+    <li>Atilla ÖNTAŞ (tarakbumba) - traducător, administratorul comunității Mandriva Turcia, împachetator MVT</li>
+    <li>Charles A Edwards (eslrahc) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, petice, testare, utilizator)</li>
+    <li>Colin Guthrie (coling) - contribuitor Mandriva (Pulse Audio, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Damien Lallement (dams) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost QA manager)</li>
+    <li>Dick Gevers - contribuitor Mandriva (testare, wiki)</li>
+    <li>Dimitrios Glentadakis (dimitrisg) reprezentantul comunității de utilizatori greci</li>
+    <li>drakedalfa (administrator blogdrake)</li>
+    <li>Elodie F. (djezael) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Erwan Velu - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, activare componente materiale)</li>
+    <li>Félix Martos - administrator Blogdrake</li>
+    <li>Florian Hubold (doktor5000) - contribuitor Mandriva (moderator și împachetator pentru mandrivauser.de)</li>
+    <li>Francesc Martínez (XescoMM) - administrator BlogDrake și contribuitor Mandriva contributor (traduceri, raportare erori)</li>
+    <li>Frédéric CUIF (fredxx) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză (cofondator AUFML)</li>
+    <li>Funda Wang (fwang) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, i18n)</li>
+    <li>Glen Ogilvie (nelg)- contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>GregoryBravas, administrator Blogdrake și împachetator Blogdrake.</li>
+    <li>Guillaume Rousse (guillomovitch) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, unelte pentru serverele alternative)</li>
+    <li>Jacen, Blogdrake (contribuitor și coordonator MDKTrans)</li>
+    <li>Jani Välimaa (Wally_) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, traduceri)</li>
+    <li>Jean-Gabriel HAYS (janot) - contribuitor francez</li>
+    <li>Jérôme Quelin (jq) - contribuitor Mandriva (Perl, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz (Ruperto) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, securitate, suport pentru proiecte terțe)</li>
+    <li>Maarten Vanraes (AL13N) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Marek Walczak (mtw) - traducător polonez
+    </li><li>Marianne Lombard (Jehane) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Mehdi Hadjard ( neggwada) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Michael Scherer (misc) - contribuitor Mandriva (sistemul de clădire, Python, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Nicolas Vigier (boklm) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost lucrător la sistemul de clădire, împachetare, proiectele de cercetare Mandriva)</li>
+    <li>Olav Dahlum (olorin_) - contribuitor Mandriva (translation)</li>
+    <li>Olivier Blin (blino) - fost angajat Mandriva (was Drakxtools, installer, Perl, boot, ...)</li>
+    <li>Olivier Mejean (goom) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Olivier Thauvin (Nanar) - contribuitor Mandriva (packaging, mirrors)</li>
+    <li>Panos Christeas (xrg)</li>
+    <li>Pascal Vilarem (maat) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Peťoš Šafařík - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, traducerea în cehă)</li>
+    <li>Philippe Makowski - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Rémy Clouard (shikamaru) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Romain d'Alverny (rda) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost information system manager)</li>
+    <li>Samuel Verschelde (Stormi) - contribuitor Mandriva (ceva împachetare și testare)</li>
+    <li>Sandro Cazzaniga (kharec) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, wiki, raportare erori/testare)</li>
+    <li>Séverine Wiltgen (sevalienor) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost suport profesionist, server stack)</li>
+    <li>SinnerBOFH (fondator BlogDrake, membru al escomposlinux.org)</li>
+    <li>Stephane Flavigny (STEF74) - contribuitor Mandriva (echipa bug triage)</li>
+    <li>Sylvie TERJAN (erinmargault) - fost angajat Mandriva și contribuitor</li>
+    <li>Thierry Vignaud (tv) - fost angajat Mandriva și contribuitor (Drakxtools, instalator, Perl, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Thomas Backlund (tmb) - contribuitor Mandriva (dezvoltator de nucleu, traduceri)</li>
+    <li>Tomàs Deltell (Annubis) - împachetator și administrator BlogDrake</li>
+    <li>Tomas Kindl (supp) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, echipa bug triage, furnizor de servere alternative pentru CZ)</li>
+    <li>Thomas Lottmann (Skiper) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Tomasz Paweł Gajc (_TPG) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, menținător XFCE)</li>
+    <li>Valentín Ferrer (vfmBOFH) - administrator blogdrake, colaborator maverick</li>
+    <li>Wilson R. Fros (nosXw) - împachetator Blogdrake</li>
+    <li>Wolfgang Bornath (wobo) - reprezentantul comunității de utilizatori germani</li>
+</ul>                            
+                            <p>Pentru restul de contribuitori: dacă 
+doriți să fiți adăugat în această listă ca susținător, semnalați-ne 
+pe IRC sau pe e-mail.</p>
+                            </div>
+                            <div class="para">
+                                <h2>Ce va urma.</h2>
+                                <p>Vom avea nevoie de o mulțime de lucruri în zilele ce vor urma:</p>
+                                <ul>
+                                    <li>de servere pentru a găzdui codul, construi sistemul de clădire cît și de găzduire pentru servere;</li>
+                                    <li>de dezvoltatori, contribuitori, traducători, testeri care să se implice în procesul de dezvoltare a distribuției Mageia;</li>
+                                    <li>de sfaturi referitoare la constituirea organizației și a proceselor sale funcționale...</li>
+                                </ul>
+                                <p>Ajutorul și suportul vostru vor fi mai mult decît apreciate.</p>
+                            </div>
+                            </div>
+                            <div class="yui-g">
+                                <div class="yui-u first">
+                                    <div class="para" id="contact">
+                                    <h2>Cum să ne contactați.</h2>
+
+                                     <h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Listele de difuziune</a></h3>
+
+                                     <h3>IRC (rețeaua Freenode)</h3>
+                                     <ul>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-de</a> (deutsch),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-se">#mageia-se</a> (Saami),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-sv">#mageia-sv</a> (Svenska),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+</ul>
+                                    </div>
+                                </div>
+                                <div class="yui-u">
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+                                    <p>Urmăriți-ne <a href="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">pe Twitter</a>
+                                        sau <a href="http://identi.ca/mageia">pe identi.ca</a>.</p>
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+        <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1>Mageia <span>– O nouă distribuție Linux</span></h1></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="para">
+                    <p class="date">Paris, 18 septembrie 2010</p>
+                    <p>Cum poate ați dedus deja, viitorul distribuției Mandriva Linux est astăzi incert.</p>
+                    <p>Marea majoritate a angajaților care lucrau la 
+distribuție au fost concediați odată cu lichidarea diviziei Edge-It. Noi  
+nu mai avem încredere în planurile de viitor ale societății Mandriva și nu mai  
+credem că Mandriva este o soluție sigură pentru susținerea unui astfel de 
+proiecet.</p>
+
+                    <p>Un număr mare de evenimente au marcat   
+ ultimii 12 ani.
+                    Unele au fost foarte pozitive: comunitatea 
+Mandriva Linux s-a dezvoltat, este solidă, motivată și 
+experimentată, distribuția rămîne una dintre cele mai cunoscute și 
+apreciate, ușor de utilizat și inovantă.
+                    Alte evenimente au avut un adevărat impact negativ
+ și comunitatea se îndoiește astăzi din ce în ce mai mult de viabilitatea distribuției 
+sale favorite.</p>
+                    <p>Cei care lucrează la acest proiect nu doresc să mai  
+depindă de fluctuațiile economiei, mai mult sau mai puțin neregulate, sau de
+ schimbările de strategie fără explicație ale firmei.</p>
+                </div>
+                <div class="para">
+                    <h2>Rupere de Mandriva Linux? Da.</h2>
+
+                    <p>Ruperea de un proiect cu sursă deschisă existent nu 
+este niciodată o decizie simplă, iar ruperea de Mandriva Linux reprezintă o sarcină 
+imensă.</p>
+                    <p>Nu este vorba de un capriciu. Am discutat destul 
+înainte de-a lua decizia: între foștii angajați, cu contribuitorii 
+la Cooker și cu utilizatorii. Ne-am ascultat reciproc în aceste ultime  
+săptămîni, deoarece aveam nevoie să se facă simțite începuturile unui 
+consens înainte de a merge mai departe.</p>
+
+                    <p>Sîntem de părere că ruptura este cea mai bună soluție și am decis să lansăm o nouă distribuție: <strong>Mageia</strong>.</p>
+                </div>
+                                <div class="para">
+                            <h2>Baze noi.</h2>
+                    <p>Mageia este un proiect comunitar: nu depinde de soarta nici unei firme.</p>
+                            <p>O asociație (organizație nonprofit)
+se va înființa în zilele ce vor veni și va fi gestionată de un 
+consiliu constituit din membrii comunității. După un an,
+ acest consiliu va fi reales în mod regulat de către comunitate.</p>
+                            <p>Această organizație va gestiona și coordona 
+distribuția: codul și găzduirea aplicațiilor și a distribuției, 
+sistemului de clădire, marketing, va favoriza discuțiile și 
+evenimentele. Datele, foile de parcurs, conceptele vor fi partajate și 
+discutate în cadrul acestei organizații.</p>
+                            <p>Vom discuta și formaliza toate aceste detalii în zilele ce vor veni.</p>
+                            <p>Distribuția Mageia va fi ceea ce 
+va dori consiliul cu ajutrul și contribuția întregii 
+comunități. Avem deja idei și planuri pentru această 
+contribuție, dorim să:</p>
+                            <ul>
+                                <li>facem Linuxul și programele libere mult mai accesibile pentru toată lumea;</li>
+                                <li>oferim unelte de configurare complet integrate cu sistemul;</li>
+                                <li>menținem un înalt nivel 
+de integrare între sistemul de bază, birou (KDE/GNOME) și 
+aplicații cu o focalizare în mod particular pe integrarea 
+aplicațiilor terțe (proprietare sau nu)</li>
+                                <li>orientăm către noi arhitecturi materiale și platforme;</li>
+                                <li>ameliorăm înțelegerea noastră despre calculatoare și periferice.</li>
+                            </ul>
+                            <p>Fără îndoială că aveți și voi ideile voastre. O să vă acordăm tot timpul necesar să le partajăm.</p>
+                        </div>
+                        <div class="para">
+                            <h2>Comunitatea.</h2>
+                            <p>Pentru noi comunitatea Mageia este alcătuită din:</p>
+                            <ul>
+                                <li>utilizatori,</li>
+                                <li>fabricanți (creatori, dezvoltatori, împachetatori, traducători, testeri, etc.),</li>
+                                <li>susținători și avocați liberi.</li>
+                            </ul>
+                            <p>Membri comunității prot fi indivizi, organizații sau firme din lumea întreagă.</p>
+                            <p>Avem aici o adevărată provocare: 
+țări diferite, limbi diferite, culturi și nevoi tot 
+atît de diferite. Iar acest lucru ni-se pare formidabil.</p>
+                            <p>Experiența cu Mandriva Assembly a pus în 
+evidență dificultatea acestei sarcini. Dar credem că putem propune 
+ceva mult mai bun!</p>
+                        </div>
+                        <div class="para">
+                            <h2>Oamenii.</h2>
+                            <p>Indiferent de ce faceți în viață, 
+oamenii sînt cea mai importantă și adevărata resursă. Mageia are ca obiectiv să 
+vă fie utilă fiecăruia dintre voi. Încrederea este un
+imperativ.</p>
+                            <p>Sîntem încă la începutul acestei rupturi. Nu o să fie simplu. Dar sîntem de părere că este necesar.</p>
+
+                            <ul>
+    <li>Ahmad Samir (ahmad78) - contribuitor Mandriva (echipa bug triage, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Alfonso Vera (Bersuit) - administrator Blograke</li>
+    <li>Angelo Naselli (anaselli) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Anne Nicolas (ennael) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost împachetator, release manager, gestionarea comunităţii)</li>
+    <li>Anssi Hannula (Anssi) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, traduceri)</li>
+    <li>Arnaud Patard (rtp) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost dezvoltator de nucleu)</li>
+    <li>Atilla ÖNTAŞ (tarakbumba) - traducător, administratorul comunității Mandriva Turcia, împachetator MVT</li>
+    <li>Charles A Edwards (eslrahc) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, petice, testare, utilizator)</li>
+    <li>Colin Guthrie (coling) - contribuitor Mandriva (Pulse Audio, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Damien Lallement (dams) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost QA manager)</li>
+    <li>Dick Gevers - contribuitor Mandriva (testare, wiki)</li>
+    <li>Dimitrios Glentadakis (dimitrisg) reprezentantul comunității de utilizatori greci</li>
+    <li>drakedalfa (administrator blogdrake)</li>
+    <li>Elodie F. (djezael) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Erwan Velu - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, activare componente materiale)</li>
+    <li>Félix Martos - administrator Blogdrake</li>
+    <li>Florian Hubold (doktor5000) - contribuitor Mandriva (moderator și împachetator pentru mandrivauser.de)</li>
+    <li>Francesc Martínez (XescoMM) - administrator BlogDrake și contribuitor Mandriva contributor (traduceri, raportare erori)</li>
+    <li>Frédéric CUIF (fredxx) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză (cofondator AUFML)</li>
+    <li>Funda Wang (fwang) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, i18n)</li>
+    <li>Glen Ogilvie (nelg)- contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>GregoryBravas, administrator Blogdrake și împachetator Blogdrake.</li>
+    <li>Guillaume Rousse (guillomovitch) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, unelte pentru serverele alternative)</li>
+    <li>Jacen, Blogdrake (contribuitor și coordonator MDKTrans)</li>
+    <li>Jani Välimaa (Wally_) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, traduceri)</li>
+    <li>Jean-Gabriel HAYS (janot) - contribuitor francez</li>
+    <li>Jérôme Quelin (jq) - contribuitor Mandriva (Perl, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz (Ruperto) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, securitate, suport pentru proiecte terțe)</li>
+    <li>Maarten Vanraes (AL13N) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Marek Walczak (mtw) - traducător polonez
+    </li><li>Marianne Lombard (Jehane) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Mehdi Hadjard ( neggwada) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Michael Scherer (misc) - contribuitor Mandriva (sistemul de clădire, Python, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Nicolas Vigier (boklm) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost lucrător la sistemul de clădire, împachetare, proiectele de cercetare Mandriva)</li>
+    <li>Olav Dahlum (olorin_) - contribuitor Mandriva (translation)</li>
+    <li>Olivier Blin (blino) - fost angajat Mandriva (was Drakxtools, installer, Perl, boot, ...)</li>
+    <li>Olivier Mejean (goom) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Olivier Thauvin (Nanar) - contribuitor Mandriva (packaging, mirrors)</li>
+    <li>Panos Christeas (xrg)</li>
+    <li>Pascal Vilarem (maat) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Peťoš Šafařík - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, traducerea în cehă)</li>
+    <li>Philippe Makowski - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Rémy Clouard (shikamaru) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Romain d'Alverny (rda) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost information system manager)</li>
+    <li>Samuel Verschelde (Stormi) - contribuitor Mandriva (ceva împachetare și testare)</li>
+    <li>Sandro Cazzaniga (kharec) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, wiki, raportare erori/testare)</li>
+    <li>Séverine Wiltgen (sevalienor) - fost angajat Mandriva (fost suport profesionist, server stack)</li>
+    <li>SinnerBOFH (fondator BlogDrake, membru al escomposlinux.org)</li>
+    <li>Stephane Flavigny (STEF74) - contribuitor Mandriva (echipa bug triage)</li>
+    <li>Sylvie TERJAN (erinmargault) - fost angajat Mandriva și contribuitor</li>
+    <li>Thierry Vignaud (tv) - fost angajat Mandriva și contribuitor (Drakxtools, instalator, Perl, împachetare)</li>
+    <li>Thomas Backlund (tmb) - contribuitor Mandriva (dezvoltator de nucleu, traduceri)</li>
+    <li>Tomàs Deltell (Annubis) - împachetator și administrator BlogDrake</li>
+    <li>Tomas Kindl (supp) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, echipa bug triage, furnizor de servere alternative pentru CZ)</li>
+    <li>Thomas Lottmann (Skiper) - utilizator din comunitatea franceză</li>
+    <li>Tomasz Paweł Gajc (_TPG) - contribuitor Mandriva (împachetare, menținător XFCE)</li>
+    <li>Valentín Ferrer (vfmBOFH) - administrator blogdrake, colaborator maverick</li>
+    <li>Wilson R. Fros (nosXw) - împachetator Blogdrake</li>
+    <li>Wolfgang Bornath (wobo) - reprezentantul comunității de utilizatori germani</li>
+</ul>                            
+                            <p>Pentru restul de contribuitori: dacă 
+doriți să fiți adăugat în această listă ca susținător, semnalați-ne 
+pe IRC sau pe e-mail.</p>
+                            </div>
+                            <div class="para">
+                                <h2>Ce va urma.</h2>
+                                <p>Vom avea nevoie de o mulțime de lucruri în zilele ce vor urma:</p>
+                                <ul>
+                                    <li>de servere pentru a găzdui codul, construi sistemul de clădire cît și de găzduire pentru servere;</li>
+                                    <li>de dezvoltatori, contribuitori, traducători, testeri care să se implice în procesul de dezvoltare a distribuției Mageia;</li>
+                                    <li>de sfaturi referitoare la constituirea organizației și a proceselor sale funcționale...</li>
+                                </ul>
+                                <p>Ajutorul și suportul vostru vor fi mai mult decît apreciate.</p>
+                            </div>
+                            </div>
+                            <div class="yui-g">
+                                <div class="yui-u first">
+                                    <div class="para" id="contact">
+                                    <h2>Cum să ne contactați.</h2>
+
+                                     <h3><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">Listele de difuziune</a></h3>
+
+                                     <h3>IRC (rețeaua Freenode)</h3>
+                                     <ul>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">#mageia</a> (English),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">#mageia-dev</a> (developers channel, English),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">#mageia-kde</a> (KDE-specific channel),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-br</a> (Português do Brasil),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">#mageia-de</a> (deutsch),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">#mageia-fi</a> (Finnish),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">#mageia-fr</a> (français),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">#mageia-es</a> (Español),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">#mageia-it</a> (Italiano),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">#mageia-no</a> (Norsk),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-pl">#mageia-pl</a> (Polski),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">#mageia-ru</a> (Русский),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-se">#mageia-se</a> (Saami),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-sv">#mageia-sv</a> (Svenska),</li>
+    <li><a href="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">#mageia-uk</a> (English)</li>
+</ul>
+                                    </div>
+                                </div>
+                                <div class="yui-u">
+                                    <div class="para">
+                                    <iframe src="Mageia%20-%20Une%20nouvelle%20distribution%20Linux%20communautaire_files/likebox.htm" style="border: medium none; overflow: hidden; width: 320px; height: 255px;" allowtransparency="true" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"></iframe>
+                                    <p>Urmăriți-ne <a href="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">pe Twitter</a>
+                                        sau <a href="http://identi.ca/mageia">pe identi.ca</a>.</p>
+                                    </div>
+                                </div>
+                            </div>
+                        </div>
+                    </div>
+
+                </body></html>
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+<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span style="" title="">Wonderful, I like :-)</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+Content-Type: text/plain;<br>
+ �charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
+Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit<br>
+Organization: Mageia ML Gateway Test Forum<br>
+In-Reply-To: &lt;AANLkTimCV4qB-VHXFucJZv9yR2CcRQqYD7Hov47=<a href="mailto:VC50@mail.gmail.com">VC50@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+X-FUDforum: eae8679fe7e063970a19bc3823dcb4e1 &lt;15&gt;<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:f.4ca61b1a@mageia.linuxtech.net">f.4ca61b1a@mageia.linuxtech.net</a>&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Quote: atilla ontas wrote on Fri, 01 October 2010 13:13<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What about this?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Nice<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span style="" title="">Wonderful, I like :-)</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+Content-Type: text/plain;<br>
+ �charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;<br>
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+Organization: Mageia ML Gateway Test Forum<br>
+In-Reply-To: &lt;AANLkTimCV4qB-VHXFucJZv9yR2CcRQqYD7Hov47=<a href="mailto:VC50@mail.gmail.com">VC50@mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+X-FUDforum: eae8679fe7e063970a19bc3823dcb4e1 &lt;15&gt;<br>
+Message-ID: &lt;<a href="mailto:f.4ca61b1a@mageia.linuxtech.net">f.4ca61b1a@mageia.linuxtech.net</a>&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Quote: atilla ontas wrote on Fri, 01 October 2010 13:13<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What about this?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+Nice<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">André e Filipe,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Envio  a tradução do FAQ do inglês para o pt_br (http://www.mageia.org/pt-br/faq/), para a revisão de vcs, p/ incluir no site. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I am sending the translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, for the review of you.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Abs. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">_________________________________</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-size:xx-large; font-weight:600;">Mageia | FAQ</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">O que e Mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia é a sua nova distribuição Linux.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Como se pronuncia mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Não há pronúncia oficial, você pode usar qualquer um que você gosta.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">O que significa o nome "mageia"? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">O termo mageia - μαγεία em grego - em português significa "magia".</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Eu sou um usuário do Mandriva Linux. O que devo fazer? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Por enquanto você pode continuar usando o Mandriva Linux, pois não há versão do Mageia disponível ainda. Você poderá se inscrever na</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mageia-announce newsletter para ser informado quando o primeira versão do Mageia  estará pronto para usar.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Será que vou ser capaz de atualizar do  Mandriva para o Mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sim, vai ser possível.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Quando a primeira versão do Mageia estará disponível? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Tão logo quanto possível. Esperamos ter alguma versão  alfa ou beta até o final de novembro.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Qual será o codinome do lançamento da primeira versão do Mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Isso não foi decidido ainda.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">O urpmi, MCC, drakxtools irão ser parte do Mageia?  </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sim, as suas ferramentas favoritas serão incluídos no Mageia.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Onde posso apresentar minhas idéias sobre o logo? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Você pode enviar suas idéias logo no grupo de arte mageia.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Como eu posso contribuir com o projeto Mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Todos os tipos de habilidades são bem vindas. Você pode se cadastrar no wiki, qualquer que seja as equipes que melhor atender às suas habilidades.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Como posso contactar o projeto? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Você pode enviar e-mail para contato mageia (at) mageia (ponto) org.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Como eu posso doar para o projeto? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Você pode ir para a página de doações.</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">André e Filipe,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Envio  a tradução do FAQ do inglês para o pt_br (http://www.mageia.org/pt-br/faq/), para a revisão de vcs, p/ incluir no site. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I am sending the translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, for the review of you.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Abs. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">_________________________________</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" font-size:xx-large; font-weight:600;">Mageia | FAQ</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">O que e Mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia é a sua nova distribuição Linux.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Como se pronuncia mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Não há pronúncia oficial, você pode usar qualquer um que você gosta.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">O que significa o nome "mageia"? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">O termo mageia - μαγεία em grego - em português significa "magia".</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Eu sou um usuário do Mandriva Linux. O que devo fazer? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Por enquanto você pode continuar usando o Mandriva Linux, pois não há versão do Mageia disponível ainda. Você poderá se inscrever na</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">mageia-announce newsletter para ser informado quando o primeira versão do Mageia  estará pronto para usar.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Será que vou ser capaz de atualizar do  Mandriva para o Mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sim, vai ser possível.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Quando a primeira versão do Mageia estará disponível? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Tão logo quanto possível. Esperamos ter alguma versão  alfa ou beta até o final de novembro.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Qual será o codinome do lançamento da primeira versão do Mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Isso não foi decidido ainda.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">O urpmi, MCC, drakxtools irão ser parte do Mageia?  </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sim, as suas ferramentas favoritas serão incluídos no Mageia.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Onde posso apresentar minhas idéias sobre o logo? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Você pode enviar suas idéias logo no grupo de arte mageia.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Como eu posso contribuir com o projeto Mageia? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Todos os tipos de habilidades são bem vindas. Você pode se cadastrar no wiki, qualquer que seja as equipes que melhor atender às suas habilidades.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Como posso contactar o projeto? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Você pode enviar e-mail para contato mageia (at) mageia (ponto) org.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Como eu posso doar para o projeto? </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Você pode ir para a página de doações.</p></body></html>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">From 
+one perspective (overhead view) can be interpreted as three people with 
+magic hat, or three wise men.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">The 
+main idea rather, was placed 5 circles representing the 5 continents, 
+but I found that with a design of 3 circles, get a much more harmonious.<br><br></span><span title="">Best Regards!</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Gustavo Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people. But<br>
+these 3 persons are looking to different places. They are giving the<br>
+back to each other.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, my feedback is really subjective.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">From 
+one perspective (overhead view) can be interpreted as three people with 
+magic hat, or three wise men.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">The 
+main idea rather, was placed 5 circles representing the 5 continents, 
+but I found that with a design of 3 circles, get a much more harmonious.<br><br></span><span title="">Best Regards!</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Gustavo Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people. But<br>
+these 3 persons are looking to different places. They are giving the<br>
+back to each other.<br>
+<br>
+Of course, my feedback is really subjective.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers!<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+    <pre id="line201">would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area
+&lt;<span class="start-tag">a</span><span class="attribute-name"> href</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os</a><span>" </span><span class="attribute-name">target</span>=<span class="attribute-value">"_blank"</span>&gt;&lt;<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png</a><span>"</span>&gt;&lt;/<span class="end-tag">a</span>&gt;
+
+it must be 
+<span class="attribute-name">href</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org</a><span>"</span>
+
+
+</pre>
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+    <pre id="line201">would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area
+&lt;<span class="start-tag">a</span><span class="attribute-name"> href</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os</a><span>" </span><span class="attribute-name">target</span>=<span class="attribute-value">"_blank"</span>&gt;&lt;<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png</a><span>"</span>&gt;&lt;/<span class="end-tag">a</span>&gt;
+
+it must be 
+<span class="attribute-name">href</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org</a><span>"</span>
+
+
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">ok the basis for design is an ancient symbol of magic,
+ no longer original logo mandriva to bring the image of a star? </span><span title="">Of course not ...<br><br></span><span style="" title="">this 
+is a symbol as old as the symbol of a star:<br><br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041488891/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041488891/</a><br><br></span></span><div id="inputt13n" style="display: none;">
+<input id="t13nimg" type="checkbox"><span id="t13ntext" dir="ltr"></span></div><div id="input_tts_button" style="" class=" tts_horizontal_bt"><object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/sound_player2.swf" id="input_tts_flash" height="18" width="18"><param value="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/sound_player2.swf" name="movie"><param value="sound_name=&amp;sound_name_cb=_inputTTSSoundFile" name="flashvars"><param value="transparent" name="wmode"><param value="always" name="allowScriptAccess"></object></div>
+<div style="display: none;" id="select_document">Escribe texto o la direcci�n
+ de un sitio web o <a href="http://translate.google.co.ve/?tr=f&amp;hl=es">traduce un 
+documento</a>.</div><div id="file_div" class="file" style="display: none;"><div style="display: none;" id="select_text"><a href="http://translate.google.co.ve/?tr=t&amp;hl=es">Cancelar</a></div><input style="display: none;" name="file" id="file" size="40" type="file"></div>
+<div id="gt-src-tools" class="g-section" style=""><div style="" class="gt-icon-c" tabindex="0" id="gt-src-listen"><span class="gt-icon 
+gt-icon-listen-off"></span><span class="gt-icon-text"></span></div></div><div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell" style=""><div dir="ltr" style=""><div id="tts_button" style="" class=" "><object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/sound_player2.swf" id="tts_flash" height="18" width="18"><param value="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/sound_player2.swf" name="movie"><param value="sound_name=&amp;sound_name_cb=_TTSSoundFile" name="flashvars"><param value="transparent" name="wmode"><param value="always" name="allowScriptAccess"></object></div>
+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">I do not think it is so difficult for 
+you to understand that</span></span></div></div><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title=""><br></span><span style="" title="">please try to find it before making comments without having 
+sufficient knowledge about it, besides everyone here just want to 
+contribute. </span><span style="" title="">why sacrifice some of our 
+time.</span></span><div id="gt-res-tools" class="g-section" style=""><div style="display: none;" class="gt-icon-c" tabindex="0" id="gt-res-listen"><span class="gt-icon gt-icon-listen-off"></span><span class="gt-icon-text">Escuchar</span></div>
+<div class="gt-icon-c" tabindex="0" style="display: none;" id="gt-res-roman"><span class="gt-icon gt-icon-roman-off"></span><span class="gt-icon-text">Leer
+ fon�ticamente</span></div><br><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Gustavo Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/10/1 Egner Quero &lt;<a href="mailto:legnerquero@gmail.com">legnerquero@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; This is an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design,<br>
+<br>
+</div><a href="http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=" target="_blank">http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=</a><br>
+
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">ok the basis for design is an ancient symbol of magic,
+ no longer original logo mandriva to bring the image of a star? </span><span title="">Of course not ...<br><br></span><span style="" title="">this 
+is a symbol as old as the symbol of a star:<br><br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041488891/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041488891/</a><br><br></span></span><div id="inputt13n" style="display: none;">
+<input id="t13nimg" type="checkbox"><span id="t13ntext" dir="ltr"></span></div><div id="input_tts_button" style="" class=" tts_horizontal_bt"><object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/sound_player2.swf" id="input_tts_flash" height="18" width="18"><param value="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/sound_player2.swf" name="movie"><param value="sound_name=&amp;sound_name_cb=_inputTTSSoundFile" name="flashvars"><param value="transparent" name="wmode"><param value="always" name="allowScriptAccess"></object></div>
+<div style="display: none;" id="select_document">Escribe texto o la direcci�n
+ de un sitio web o <a href="http://translate.google.co.ve/?tr=f&amp;hl=es">traduce un 
+documento</a>.</div><div id="file_div" class="file" style="display: none;"><div style="display: none;" id="select_text"><a href="http://translate.google.co.ve/?tr=t&amp;hl=es">Cancelar</a></div><input style="display: none;" name="file" id="file" size="40" type="file"></div>
+<div id="gt-src-tools" class="g-section" style=""><div style="" class="gt-icon-c" tabindex="0" id="gt-src-listen"><span class="gt-icon 
+gt-icon-listen-off"></span><span class="gt-icon-text"></span></div></div><div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell" style=""><div dir="ltr" style=""><div id="tts_button" style="" class=" "><object type="application/x-shockwave-flash" data="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/sound_player2.swf" id="tts_flash" height="18" width="18"><param value="http://www.gstatic.com/translate/sound_player2.swf" name="movie"><param value="sound_name=&amp;sound_name_cb=_TTSSoundFile" name="flashvars"><param value="transparent" name="wmode"><param value="always" name="allowScriptAccess"></object></div>
+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">I do not think it is so difficult for 
+you to understand that</span></span></div></div><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title=""><br></span><span style="" title="">please try to find it before making comments without having 
+sufficient knowledge about it, besides everyone here just want to 
+contribute. </span><span style="" title="">why sacrifice some of our 
+time.</span></span><div id="gt-res-tools" class="g-section" style=""><div style="display: none;" class="gt-icon-c" tabindex="0" id="gt-res-listen"><span class="gt-icon gt-icon-listen-off"></span><span class="gt-icon-text">Escuchar</span></div>
+<div class="gt-icon-c" tabindex="0" style="display: none;" id="gt-res-roman"><span class="gt-icon gt-icon-roman-off"></span><span class="gt-icon-text">Leer
+ fon�ticamente</span></div><br><br></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Gustavo Giampaoli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com">giampaoli.gustavo@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/10/1 Egner Quero &lt;<a href="mailto:legnerquero@gmail.com">legnerquero@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; This is an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design,<br>
+<br>
+</div><a href="http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=" target="_blank">http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=</a><br>
+
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">I left 
+the proposal in the group mageia with their respective comments, the 
+image of mageia, is also very important to consider doing so publicly in
+ this way.<br><br>Best regards!<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Egner Quero <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:legnerquero@gmail.com">legnerquero@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<span lang="en"><span title="">This is
+ an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design, however, 
+the symbol which is the basis for my design and apparently also for the 
+biohazard symbol, is an esoteric symbol, an ancient magical symbol that </span><span title="">insert is the base where the 3 circles.<br><br>Best regards.<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com" target="_blank">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div>
+<div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">W dniu 2010-10-01 17:24, Gustavo Giampaoli pisze:<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+The first feeling was a comparison to a biohazard icon. Then, I started to find out the true meaning of the symbols used.<br>
+<br>
+PS Again: Do we really need to have a discussion here over every single logo proposal in a separate thread? Why not to keep them in the original one?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">I left 
+the proposal in the group mageia with their respective comments, the 
+image of mageia, is also very important to consider doing so publicly in
+ this way.<br><br>Best regards!<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Egner Quero <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:legnerquero@gmail.com">legnerquero@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<span lang="en"><span title="">This is
+ an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design, however, 
+the symbol which is the basis for my design and apparently also for the 
+biohazard symbol, is an esoteric symbol, an ancient magical symbol that </span><span title="">insert is the base where the 3 circles.<br><br>Best regards.<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com" target="_blank">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div>
+<div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">W dniu 2010-10-01 17:24, Gustavo Giampaoli pisze:<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+The first feeling was a comparison to a biohazard icon. Then, I started to find out the true meaning of the symbols used.<br>
+<br>
+PS Again: Do we really need to have a discussion here over every single logo proposal in a separate thread? Why not to keep them in the original one?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">This is
+ an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design, however, 
+the symbol which is the basis for my design and apparently also for the 
+biohazard symbol, is an esoteric symbol, an ancient magical symbol that </span><span style="" title="">insert is the base where the 3 circles.<br><br>Best regards.<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">W dniu 2010-10-01 17:24, Gustavo Giampaoli pisze:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+The first feeling was a comparison to a biohazard icon. Then, I started to find out the true meaning of the symbols used.<br>
+<br>
+PS Again: Do we really need to have a discussion here over every single logo proposal in a separate thread? Why not to keep them in the original one?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">This is
+ an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design, however, 
+the symbol which is the basis for my design and apparently also for the 
+biohazard symbol, is an esoteric symbol, an ancient magical symbol that </span><span style="" title="">insert is the base where the 3 circles.<br><br>Best regards.<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">W dniu 2010-10-01 17:24, Gustavo Giampaoli pisze:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+The first feeling was a comparison to a biohazard icon. Then, I started to find out the true meaning of the symbols used.<br>
+<br>
+PS Again: Do we really need to have a discussion here over every single logo proposal in a separate thread? Why not to keep them in the original one?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041992632/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041992632/</a><br><br>This is a simplistic design is only the first prototype, any suggestion is always welcome<br>
+<br>Best regards!<br>
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+<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041992632/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041992632/</a><br><br>This is a simplistic design is only the first prototype, any suggestion is always welcome<br>
+<br>Best regards!<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 01/10/2010 08:14, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:201010011415.01202.franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">在 週五 01 十月 2010 13:57:54，<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:futureway@asia.com">futureway@asia.com</a> 寫道:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">I have no other community now. And this is our community. You and I use
+the same native language -- Chinese, though we use different Chinese
+characters. (I don't mind if you use the traditional Chinse characters,
+and I also can read them because I am interested in ancient books.)
+
+"分叉" can be used as "a fork of a road", but "分支" is used as "a branch of
+a tree", right? However, "fork" also has a meaning "branch" in many
+dictionaries. There is another difficult word "hack", and it is also
+difficult to be exactly translated into Chinese.
+
+You can directly modify my Chinese translation (Skiper had sent it to
+the site), or put your Chinese translation on the site's front page. I
+wish to see a Chinese page in the site. :)
+
+Linux
+Lover
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+"衍生" may be more like the word "derivative", but for "fork" here I think the 
+meaning is not too far.
+
+I just read again the traditional Chinese translations for the Mageia 
+announce.  "Forking" here our translators used "分支".  Actually they are all 
+almost the same meanings, and I don't think it necessary to use different to 
+"tell apart" from them all.
+
+BTW, I don't know if it is appropriate to discuss these translations on 
+discuss mailing list, or even i18n mailing list, since these discussions are 
+for certain langauge.  Here in Taiwan we formed a google group for mageia 
+Taiwan users for discussing.  Maybe you can try to form one too.
+
+
+Franklin
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Isn't that too heavy? <br>
+      <br>
+      I mean, if the translation is fine enough to be understandable
+      according to it's author or authors, can't it be published more
+      simply? <br>
+      <br>
+      Linux Lover isn't very used to mailing lists yet. Managing a
+      google group while he is almost the only one to participate in
+      China is perhaps not helping much. So I guess there is no need to
+      block the publishing of one translation because of a simple
+      word... it can be fixed later if really it is not understandable
+      at all. <br>
+      <br>
+      ...how about a translation for "division" or "split" or "</font>scission"<font
+      face="Liberation Sans"> if the current word for the fork process
+      really is not that good? <br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 01/10/2010 08:14, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:201010011415.01202.franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">在 週五 01 十月 2010 13:57:54，<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:futureway@asia.com">futureway@asia.com</a> 寫道:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">I have no other community now. And this is our community. You and I use
+the same native language -- Chinese, though we use different Chinese
+characters. (I don't mind if you use the traditional Chinse characters,
+and I also can read them because I am interested in ancient books.)
+
+"分叉" can be used as "a fork of a road", but "分支" is used as "a branch of
+a tree", right? However, "fork" also has a meaning "branch" in many
+dictionaries. There is another difficult word "hack", and it is also
+difficult to be exactly translated into Chinese.
+
+You can directly modify my Chinese translation (Skiper had sent it to
+the site), or put your Chinese translation on the site's front page. I
+wish to see a Chinese page in the site. :)
+
+Linux
+Lover
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+"衍生" may be more like the word "derivative", but for "fork" here I think the 
+meaning is not too far.
+
+I just read again the traditional Chinese translations for the Mageia 
+announce.  "Forking" here our translators used "分支".  Actually they are all 
+almost the same meanings, and I don't think it necessary to use different to 
+"tell apart" from them all.
+
+BTW, I don't know if it is appropriate to discuss these translations on 
+discuss mailing list, or even i18n mailing list, since these discussions are 
+for certain langauge.  Here in Taiwan we formed a google group for mageia 
+Taiwan users for discussing.  Maybe you can try to form one too.
+
+
+Franklin
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Isn't that too heavy? <br>
+      <br>
+      I mean, if the translation is fine enough to be understandable
+      according to it's author or authors, can't it be published more
+      simply? <br>
+      <br>
+      Linux Lover isn't very used to mailing lists yet. Managing a
+      google group while he is almost the only one to participate in
+      China is perhaps not helping much. So I guess there is no need to
+      block the publishing of one translation because of a simple
+      word... it can be fixed later if really it is not understandable
+      at all. <br>
+      <br>
+      ...how about a translation for "division" or "split" or "</font>scission"<font
+      face="Liberation Sans"> if the current word for the fork process
+      really is not that good? <br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">people should be careful not to make judgments 
+lightly, is all that needs to be clarified, and if the critics are 
+welcome as long as they are objective and rationale.<br><br></span><span title="">Greetings!</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">W dniu 2010-10-01 18:00, Egner Quero pisze:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+this is a symbol as old as the symbol of a star:<br></div><div class="im">
+please try to find it before making comments without having sufficient<br>
+knowledge about it<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+Hey, I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s not an ancient symbol. I&#39;m not saying it does not represent magic. I&#39;m just giving my opinion on what was the first thing in my mind after seeing that proposal. Do not expect users to run extensive research in order to just find out what the logo stands for. The image has to be clear at the first sight.<br>
+
+Besides, what have you expected while writing this post if you can&#39;t handle some critic?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="" title="">people should be careful not to make judgments 
+lightly, is all that needs to be clarified, and if the critics are 
+welcome as long as they are objective and rationale.<br><br></span><span title="">Greetings!</span></span><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Adrian Marcinkowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:amfidiusz@gmail.com">amfidiusz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">W dniu 2010-10-01 18:00, Egner Quero pisze:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+this is a symbol as old as the symbol of a star:<br></div><div class="im">
+please try to find it before making comments without having sufficient<br>
+knowledge about it<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+Hey, I&#39;m not saying it&#39;s not an ancient symbol. I&#39;m not saying it does not represent magic. I&#39;m just giving my opinion on what was the first thing in my mind after seeing that proposal. Do not expect users to run extensive research in order to just find out what the logo stands for. The image has to be clear at the first sight.<br>
+
+Besides, what have you expected while writing this post if you can&#39;t handle some critic?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Gustavo Giampaoli wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Same way if you put the sweetest marmalade in an ugly and dirty<br>
+&gt; package. And you also put some dog sh*t in the most beautiful<br>
+&gt; packaging, with a nice ribbon.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ask them &quot;please, pick one&quot;. Which one do you think people will pick first?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>You&#39;re overlooking that fact that if you are a commercial enterprise you<br>
+can pay people to tie ribbons around dogsh*t, but you&#39;ll find very few<br>
+community contributors who are willing to do that for their own<br>
+amusement and edification. :-)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I do agree with Gustavo.<br>And what he tries to say is not � functionality is irrelevant, let&#39;s focus on design, guys �. He says (or that&#39;s what I understood) that we should consider aesthetics. And I think that in the whole community there might be people who feel concerned about/are competent in graphic design, and willing to improve GUIs.<br>
+I just think that we could let them improve things instead of saying � don&#39;t put your artistic hands in my code, it works so there&#39;s no problem if the GUI is ugly �.<br><br>Functionality is the most important aspect, but design is relevant.<br>
+<br>For example : I never used the 3D desktop in Mandriva, but I convinced a lot of my friends to try the distro showing them my funny cubic desktop. Just because it looks great, not because it is useful.<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/1 Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Gustavo Giampaoli wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Same way if you put the sweetest marmalade in an ugly and dirty<br>
+&gt; package. And you also put some dog sh*t in the most beautiful<br>
+&gt; packaging, with a nice ribbon.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ask them &quot;please, pick one&quot;. Which one do you think people will pick first?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>You&#39;re overlooking that fact that if you are a commercial enterprise you<br>
+can pay people to tie ribbons around dogsh*t, but you&#39;ll find very few<br>
+community contributors who are willing to do that for their own<br>
+amusement and edification. :-)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I do agree with Gustavo.<br>And what he tries to say is not � functionality is irrelevant, let&#39;s focus on design, guys �. He says (or that&#39;s what I understood) that we should consider aesthetics. And I think that in the whole community there might be people who feel concerned about/are competent in graphic design, and willing to improve GUIs.<br>
+I just think that we could let them improve things instead of saying � don&#39;t put your artistic hands in my code, it works so there&#39;s no problem if the GUI is ugly �.<br><br>Functionality is the most important aspect, but design is relevant.<br>
+<br>For example : I never used the 3D desktop in Mandriva, but I convinced a lot of my friends to try the distro showing them my funny cubic desktop. Just because it looks great, not because it is useful.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 20:40, Renaud MICHEL <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+but with this gateway, their messages would be<br>
+posted to the MLs with their email <br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Renaud Michel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>As far as I know, this is not the case.<br>I posted a message from the test forum,<br><a href="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</a><br>and it appears &#39;normally&#39; on the ML (the same as if I had posted on the ML)<br>
+No private email to see.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 20:40, Renaud MICHEL <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> <br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+but with this gateway, their messages would be<br>
+posted to the MLs with their email <br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Renaud Michel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>As far as I know, this is not the case.<br>I posted a message from the test forum,<br><a href="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</a><br>and it appears &#39;normally&#39; on the ML (the same as if I had posted on the ML)<br>
+No private email to see.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <pre>would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area
+
+
+&lt;<span class="start-tag">a</span><span class="attribute-name"> href</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org</a><span>"</span>&gt;&lt;<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-
+flickr.png</a><span>"</span>&gt;&lt;/<span class="end-tag">a</span>&gt;&amp;<span class="entity">nbsp;</span>
+
+it must be 
+&lt;a href="<a href="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</a>"&gt;&lt;<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-
+flickr.png</a><span>"</span>&gt;&lt;/<span class="end-tag">a</span>&gt;&amp;<span class="entity">nbsp;</span>
+
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    <pre>would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area
+
+
+&lt;<span class="start-tag">a</span><span class="attribute-name"> href</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org</a><span>"</span>&gt;&lt;<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-
+flickr.png</a><span>"</span>&gt;&lt;/<span class="end-tag">a</span>&gt;&amp;<span class="entity">nbsp;</span>
+
+it must be 
+&lt;a href="<a href="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</a>"&gt;&lt;<span class="start-tag">img</span><span class="attribute-name"> src</span><span>="</span><a href="view-source:http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-
+flickr.png</a><span>"</span>&gt;&lt;/<span class="end-tag">a</span>&gt;&amp;<span class="entity">nbsp;</span>
+
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 21:40, Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+But we need to do this properly because on a huge forum<br>
+and with very active lists moderators will go crazy...<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes. I think there are many different ways to regulate the traffic of different lists. For example read only from the forum side for &#39;sensitive&#39; lists.<br>There must be a discussion to determine a structure of lists whith different properties such that the needs/desires of all participants (users, develppers, moderators, administrators ...) are met.<br>
+<br>� <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+And we must also think of people who will suscribe to lists<br>
+but who will not be pleased to see their names and posts on a<br>
+well known forum<br>
+<br>
+(the mls archives are far less attractive)<br>
+<br>
+Your contribution on this part will be really positive for mageia i think :)<br>
+<br>
+For the while we need to test and improve it so that it&#39;s bulletproof<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 21:40, Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+But we need to do this properly because on a huge forum<br>
+and with very active lists moderators will go crazy...<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes. I think there are many different ways to regulate the traffic of different lists. For example read only from the forum side for &#39;sensitive&#39; lists.<br>There must be a discussion to determine a structure of lists whith different properties such that the needs/desires of all participants (users, develppers, moderators, administrators ...) are met.<br>
+<br>� <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+And we must also think of people who will suscribe to lists<br>
+but who will not be pleased to see their names and posts on a<br>
+well known forum<br>
+<br>
+(the mls archives are far less attractive)<br>
+<br>
+Your contribution on this part will be really positive for mageia i think :)<br>
+<br>
+For the while we need to test and improve it so that it&#39;s bulletproof<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:49, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Margot &lt;<a href="mailto:margot@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk">margot@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-03<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt; &gt; SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements" target="_blank">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</a>).<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; or by language (such as en-gb)?<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; My opinion is that we should try to follow ISO convention where<br>
+&gt; &gt; it is applicable. Therefore the IRC&#39;S would be:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; #mageia-gb for United Kingdom<br>
+&gt; &gt; #mageia-ua for Ukraine<br>
+<br>
+</div>I don&#39;t know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there is a<br>
+channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking German. I<br>
+don&#39;t think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make<br>
+sense.<br>
+The reason for having those &quot;sub channels&quot; is, that people can speak in their<br>
+own language...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Well, I think UK is a somewhat special case : english is the language for &#39;everybody&#39;, so any &#39;local&#39; conversation is submerged. Other laguages don&#39;t have that problem to that extent.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:49, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Margot &lt;<a href="mailto:margot@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk">margot@otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-03<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt; &gt; SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements" target="_blank">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</a>).<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; or by language (such as en-gb)?<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &gt; My opinion is that we should try to follow ISO convention where<br>
+&gt; &gt; it is applicable. Therefore the IRC&#39;S would be:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; #mageia-gb for United Kingdom<br>
+&gt; &gt; #mageia-ua for Ukraine<br>
+<br>
+</div>I don&#39;t know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there is a<br>
+channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking German. I<br>
+don&#39;t think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make<br>
+sense.<br>
+The reason for having those &quot;sub channels&quot; is, that people can speak in their<br>
+own language...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Well, I think UK is a somewhat special case : english is the language for &#39;everybody&#39;, so any &#39;local&#39; conversation is submerged. Other laguages don&#39;t have that problem to that extent.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier M�jean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather<br>
+&gt; than mailing lists, but still want to �partecipate in the mailing list<br>
+&gt; discussions!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Well, that&#39;s a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.<br>
+<br>
+However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are<br>
+quite different from ML users.<br>
+<br>
+In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a<br>
+distribution for &quot;developers&quot; or for &quot;end-users&quot; (well i know developers are<br>
+also end-users). </blockquote><div>�</div><div>I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be for both.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we<br>
+will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum<br>
+must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top<br>
+posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just<br>
+use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in<br>
+computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how<br>
+theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside<br>
+those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite<br>
+impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he wants (or is able).<br>
+So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the &#39;end user&#39;.<br>(I just saw that &#39;wobo&#39; explained it better than I do)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Let&#39;s face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. </blockquote><div><br>That&#39;s just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users usually are unable to use ML&#39;s properly.<br>
+The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication channel, developers will be flooded.<br>That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually new) tools to limit that problem.<br>
+<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">As a user i<br>
+do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to<br>
+navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more<br>
+attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That&#39;s the same<br>
+thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,<br>
+but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point<br>
+and click, validate.<br>
+<br>
+I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also<br>
+two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc<br>
+Par� is on) ?<br>
+<br>
+So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML<br>
+and web forum i don&#39;t think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me<br>
+is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, </blockquote><div><br>How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ?<br>(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating because (amongst other factors) there are 2 &#39;public opinions&#39; with 2 different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass media)<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">some of us<br>
+will be on both tools but most will use just one.<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem.<br>
+<br>I hope I don&#39;t come across as too opiniated.<br>These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a position to do better, because it can manage it&#39;s tools. And that it could greatly benefit by doing it.<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Olivier M�jean<br>
+Pr�sident de l&#39;Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br>
+<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br>
+twitter : obagoom<br>
+<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier M�jean <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:omejean@yahoo.fr">omejean@yahoo.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather<br>
+&gt; than mailing lists, but still want to �partecipate in the mailing list<br>
+&gt; discussions!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Well, that&#39;s a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.<br>
+<br>
+However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are<br>
+quite different from ML users.<br>
+<br>
+In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a<br>
+distribution for &quot;developers&quot; or for &quot;end-users&quot; (well i know developers are<br>
+also end-users). </blockquote><div>�</div><div>I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be for both.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we<br>
+will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum<br>
+must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top<br>
+posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just<br>
+use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in<br>
+computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how<br>
+theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside<br>
+those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite<br>
+impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he wants (or is able).<br>
+So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the &#39;end user&#39;.<br>(I just saw that &#39;wobo&#39; explained it better than I do)<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Let&#39;s face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. </blockquote><div><br>That&#39;s just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users usually are unable to use ML&#39;s properly.<br>
+The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication channel, developers will be flooded.<br>That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually new) tools to limit that problem.<br>
+<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">As a user i<br>
+do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to<br>
+navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more<br>
+attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That&#39;s the same<br>
+thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,<br>
+but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point<br>
+and click, validate.<br>
+<br>
+I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also<br>
+two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc<br>
+Par� is on) ?<br>
+<br>
+So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML<br>
+and web forum i don&#39;t think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me<br>
+is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, </blockquote><div><br>How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ?<br>(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating because (amongst other factors) there are 2 &#39;public opinions&#39; with 2 different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass media)<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">some of us<br>
+will be on both tools but most will use just one.<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem.<br>
+<br>I hope I don&#39;t come across as too opiniated.<br>These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a position to do better, because it can manage it&#39;s tools. And that it could greatly benefit by doing it.<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Olivier M�jean<br>
+Pr�sident de l&#39;Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux<br>
+<a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a><br>
+twitter : obagoom<br>
+<a href="http://identi.ca" target="_blank">identi.ca</a> : goom<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 16:35, Patricia Fraser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:trish@thefrasers.org">trish@thefrasers.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div class="h5"><br>
+</div>And if users are rude and nasty to devs or packagers, then there won&#39;t<br>
+be a distro. So, we need to find ways to help both sets of people be<br>
+good to each other - understanding, polite and make sure that users get<br>
+to know which forums/MLs/IRC channels are the right ones to use, and<br>
+how to do proper bug reports, and devs/packagers know to show users<br>
+where to go for help/how to report bugs etc.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, it is best not taken as an all/nothing issue.<br>I think we need to find or invent a diversified structure, whith clear directions and rules, partly automatically enforced, partly by moderation.<br>
+(And progressively automatise frequent problems dectected by moderators.)<br><br>The aim is to :<br><br>1. prevent users from seeing no way to report problems, and those who think they have reported a problem from feeling nobody listens<br>
+<br>2. prevent devs/packagers from beeing flooded<br><br>There will probably be some trial and error involved, but if we succeed� I think there will be a great payoff.<br><br>I also think there will be a need, at least initially, for more moderators, and at different levels.<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Maybe we have a page where there&#39;s netiquette, the various places for<br>
+help, and the URL&#39;s in the footer of emails? and then we can politely<br>
+point to it, and invite people to continue the conversation in the<br>
+right place?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>yes<br>�<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+- --<br>
+Patricia Fraser<br></blockquote></div>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 16:35, Patricia Fraser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:trish@thefrasers.org">trish@thefrasers.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div class="h5"><br>
+</div>And if users are rude and nasty to devs or packagers, then there won&#39;t<br>
+be a distro. So, we need to find ways to help both sets of people be<br>
+good to each other - understanding, polite and make sure that users get<br>
+to know which forums/MLs/IRC channels are the right ones to use, and<br>
+how to do proper bug reports, and devs/packagers know to show users<br>
+where to go for help/how to report bugs etc.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yes, it is best not taken as an all/nothing issue.<br>I think we need to find or invent a diversified structure, whith clear directions and rules, partly automatically enforced, partly by moderation.<br>
+(And progressively automatise frequent problems dectected by moderators.)<br><br>The aim is to :<br><br>1. prevent users from seeing no way to report problems, and those who think they have reported a problem from feeling nobody listens<br>
+<br>2. prevent devs/packagers from beeing flooded<br><br>There will probably be some trial and error involved, but if we succeed� I think there will be a great payoff.<br><br>I also think there will be a need, at least initially, for more moderators, and at different levels.<br>
+</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Maybe we have a page where there&#39;s netiquette, the various places for<br>
+help, and the URL&#39;s in the footer of emails? and then we can politely<br>
+point to it, and invite people to continue the conversation in the<br>
+right place?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>yes<br>�<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+- --<br>
+Patricia Fraser<br></blockquote></div>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+MacXi,<div><br></div><div>Tier1 � um tipo de rede IP, isso n�o se traduz. Talvez voc� possa colocar um link para uma p�gina que explique o que �.</div><div>Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que l� tenha algo bem explicado.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Abra�os,</div><div><br></div><div>J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 1 de outubro de 2010 22:43, MacXi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Em Sex 01 Out 2010, �s 21:11:44, Andr� Machado escreveu:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I&#39;ll send you my work to<br>
+&gt; �you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog too.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ------------------<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sua tradu��o est� compat�vel com aquela que eu fiz. Eu lhe enviarei meu<br>
+&gt; �trabalho para que voc� o revise e decida sobre as pequenas diferen�as. N�s<br>
+&gt; �precisaremos ver o blog tamb�m.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Andr�,<br>
+Sending a suggested translation of the text of today&#39;s Blog<br>
+Regarding the translation, do not worry, your English must be better than mine<br>
+and you are having more contact whit �mageia forum. You and Filipe feel free<br>
+to make corrections and changes that fit.<br>
+<br>
+MacXi<br>
+___________________________________-<br>
+<br>
+Andr�,<br>
+<br>
+Envio uma sugest�o de tradu��o do texto de hoje do Blog.<br>
+Quanto a tradu��o, n�o se preocupe, acho que seu ingl�s deve ser melhor que o<br>
+meu e vc tem mais contato e est� acompanhando melhor o forum Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Fiquem a vontade, vc e o Filipe, para fazer as corre��es e altera��es que<br>
+achar melhor.<br>
+<br>
+Obs: N�o consegui traduzir &quot;Tier1&quot; da frase: Mas ainda estamos procurando<br>
+Tier1 (???) espelhos. --&gt; But we are still looking for Tier1 mirrors.<br>
+<br>
+Abs<br>
+<br>
+MacXi<br>
+<br>
+________________________________________________<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/</a><br>
+<br>
+Mageia: algumas not�cias sobre o projeto �-<br>
+Posted on October 2, 2010 by ennael<br>
+<br>
+Dado todas as propostas e contribui��es que recebemos at� agora, parece que<br>
+Mageia tem potencial para ser um grande sucesso! Para aqueles que est�o<br>
+querendo saber o que est� acontecendo agora, aqui est�o algumas not�cias sobre<br>
+v�rios assuntos:<br>
+<br>
+ � �* A fim de responder �s principais perguntas sobre o projeto mageia, um FAQ<br>
+j� est� dispon�vel no site. Sinta-se livre para comentar e pedir mais<br>
+perguntas se voc� acha que alguns assuntos est�o em falta.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* A associa��o mageia vai ser registrada na segunda-feira, com uma<br>
+publica��o oficial em cerca de um m�s (depois revisto pela administra��o),<br>
+gra�as � Severina e RTP<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Um Manifesto Mageia est� em andamento. N�s fornecemos uma lista de itens<br>
+para ajudar Lauder Graham e alguns caras de marketing &amp; comunica��o para<br>
+trabalhar em um primeiro esbo�o.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Uma equipe sysadmin foi criado por Nicolas (boklm), para come�ar a<br>
+trabalhar na nova infra-estrutura.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Para a infra-estrutura de hardware, recebemos propostas para servidores<br>
+e hospedagem. Agora temos o hardware para ser capaz de configurar a constru��o<br>
+de sistema (build system)) e de acolhimento dos principais servi�os. J�<br>
+come�amos a instala��o de uma m�quina virtual oferecida pelo <a href="http://gandi.net" target="_blank">gandi.net</a> que<br>
+vamos usar em breve para hospedar os sites e blog. Em rela��o � hospedagem dos<br>
+outros servidores, n�s temos uma proposta de um ano e j� est�o trabalhando em<br>
+uma solu��o de longo prazo.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Misc est� trabalhando em um planejamento para a implanta��o do sistema<br>
+de compila��o (aproximadamente, 4/5 dias a partir do zero, sem a instala��o do<br>
+servidor, se tudo correr bem)<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Olivier (Nanar) deve anunciar em breve alguns planos para os espelhos e<br>
+uma aplica��o web para cuidar disto. N�s j� temos muitas propostas para os<br>
+espelhos locais �para hospedar os pacotes e ISOs Mageia. Mas ainda estamos<br>
+procurando Tier1 � espelhos.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Buchan est� trabalhando na parte da infra-estrutura LDAP<br>
+ � �* Mageia tem sido contactada por v�rios jornais, podcasts, webTV, r�dio<br>
+web etc ..., que tomou muito tempo. Voc� vai ouvir falar Mageia<br>
+breve :)<br>
+<br>
+ � �* As doa��es est�o indo muito bem, cerca de 5.000 � e 100 doadores! Iremos<br>
+publicar relat�rios financeiros mensais para que voc� possa<br>
+acompanhar como ele est� sendo usado. As primeiras despesas ser�o com unidades<br>
+de disco r�gido, nomes de dom�nios e registo da<br>
+marca Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Voc� vai em breve ser capaz de comprar Mageia tee-shirts. N�s n�o temos<br>
+um logotipo oficial ainda, mas n�o se preocupe, ainda �<br>
+poss�vel fazer tshirts divertidos sem um logotipo.<br>
+<br>
+Brevemente neste blog, mais not�cias sobre a organiza��o geral do projeto<br>
+mageia, fique atento! Livremente<br>
+Equipe Mageia<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+MacXi,<div><br></div><div>Tier1 � um tipo de rede IP, isso n�o se traduz. Talvez voc� possa colocar um link para uma p�gina que explique o que �.</div><div>Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que l� tenha algo bem explicado.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Abra�os,</div><div><br></div><div>J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 1 de outubro de 2010 22:43, MacXi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Em Sex 01 Out 2010, �s 21:11:44, Andr� Machado escreveu:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I&#39;ll send you my work to<br>
+&gt; �you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog too.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; ------------------<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sua tradu��o est� compat�vel com aquela que eu fiz. Eu lhe enviarei meu<br>
+&gt; �trabalho para que voc� o revise e decida sobre as pequenas diferen�as. N�s<br>
+&gt; �precisaremos ver o blog tamb�m.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Andr�,<br>
+Sending a suggested translation of the text of today&#39;s Blog<br>
+Regarding the translation, do not worry, your English must be better than mine<br>
+and you are having more contact whit �mageia forum. You and Filipe feel free<br>
+to make corrections and changes that fit.<br>
+<br>
+MacXi<br>
+___________________________________-<br>
+<br>
+Andr�,<br>
+<br>
+Envio uma sugest�o de tradu��o do texto de hoje do Blog.<br>
+Quanto a tradu��o, n�o se preocupe, acho que seu ingl�s deve ser melhor que o<br>
+meu e vc tem mais contato e est� acompanhando melhor o forum Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Fiquem a vontade, vc e o Filipe, para fazer as corre��es e altera��es que<br>
+achar melhor.<br>
+<br>
+Obs: N�o consegui traduzir &quot;Tier1&quot; da frase: Mas ainda estamos procurando<br>
+Tier1 (???) espelhos. --&gt; But we are still looking for Tier1 mirrors.<br>
+<br>
+Abs<br>
+<br>
+MacXi<br>
+<br>
+________________________________________________<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/</a><br>
+<br>
+Mageia: algumas not�cias sobre o projeto �-<br>
+Posted on October 2, 2010 by ennael<br>
+<br>
+Dado todas as propostas e contribui��es que recebemos at� agora, parece que<br>
+Mageia tem potencial para ser um grande sucesso! Para aqueles que est�o<br>
+querendo saber o que est� acontecendo agora, aqui est�o algumas not�cias sobre<br>
+v�rios assuntos:<br>
+<br>
+ � �* A fim de responder �s principais perguntas sobre o projeto mageia, um FAQ<br>
+j� est� dispon�vel no site. Sinta-se livre para comentar e pedir mais<br>
+perguntas se voc� acha que alguns assuntos est�o em falta.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* A associa��o mageia vai ser registrada na segunda-feira, com uma<br>
+publica��o oficial em cerca de um m�s (depois revisto pela administra��o),<br>
+gra�as � Severina e RTP<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Um Manifesto Mageia est� em andamento. N�s fornecemos uma lista de itens<br>
+para ajudar Lauder Graham e alguns caras de marketing &amp; comunica��o para<br>
+trabalhar em um primeiro esbo�o.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Uma equipe sysadmin foi criado por Nicolas (boklm), para come�ar a<br>
+trabalhar na nova infra-estrutura.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Para a infra-estrutura de hardware, recebemos propostas para servidores<br>
+e hospedagem. Agora temos o hardware para ser capaz de configurar a constru��o<br>
+de sistema (build system)) e de acolhimento dos principais servi�os. J�<br>
+come�amos a instala��o de uma m�quina virtual oferecida pelo <a href="http://gandi.net" target="_blank">gandi.net</a> que<br>
+vamos usar em breve para hospedar os sites e blog. Em rela��o � hospedagem dos<br>
+outros servidores, n�s temos uma proposta de um ano e j� est�o trabalhando em<br>
+uma solu��o de longo prazo.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Misc est� trabalhando em um planejamento para a implanta��o do sistema<br>
+de compila��o (aproximadamente, 4/5 dias a partir do zero, sem a instala��o do<br>
+servidor, se tudo correr bem)<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Olivier (Nanar) deve anunciar em breve alguns planos para os espelhos e<br>
+uma aplica��o web para cuidar disto. N�s j� temos muitas propostas para os<br>
+espelhos locais �para hospedar os pacotes e ISOs Mageia. Mas ainda estamos<br>
+procurando Tier1 � espelhos.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Buchan est� trabalhando na parte da infra-estrutura LDAP<br>
+ � �* Mageia tem sido contactada por v�rios jornais, podcasts, webTV, r�dio<br>
+web etc ..., que tomou muito tempo. Voc� vai ouvir falar Mageia<br>
+breve :)<br>
+<br>
+ � �* As doa��es est�o indo muito bem, cerca de 5.000 � e 100 doadores! Iremos<br>
+publicar relat�rios financeiros mensais para que voc� possa<br>
+acompanhar como ele est� sendo usado. As primeiras despesas ser�o com unidades<br>
+de disco r�gido, nomes de dom�nios e registo da<br>
+marca Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+ � �* Voc� vai em breve ser capaz de comprar Mageia tee-shirts. N�s n�o temos<br>
+um logotipo oficial ainda, mas n�o se preocupe, ainda �<br>
+poss�vel fazer tshirts divertidos sem um logotipo.<br>
+<br>
+Brevemente neste blog, mais not�cias sobre a organiza��o geral do projeto<br>
+mageia, fique atento! Livremente<br>
+Equipe Mageia<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 17:48, Patricia Fraser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:trish@thefrasers.org">trish@thefrasers.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+/me puts hand up<br>
+<br>
+Also, &quot;moderators&quot; - people who drop out of the sky on the heads of<br>
+those who misbehave.<br>
+<br>
+What about if we dream up a whole new group: facilitators? bridges?<br>
+just plain helpers?<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>yes, I used the term &quot;moderators&quot;, but that really meant what you wrote<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Moderating could then be our last resort?<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+- --<br>
+Patricia Fraser<br>
+On the move<br></div></blockquote></div>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 17:48, Patricia Fraser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:trish@thefrasers.org">trish@thefrasers.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+/me puts hand up<br>
+<br>
+Also, &quot;moderators&quot; - people who drop out of the sky on the heads of<br>
+those who misbehave.<br>
+<br>
+What about if we dream up a whole new group: facilitators? bridges?<br>
+just plain helpers?<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>yes, I used the term &quot;moderators&quot;, but that really meant what you wrote<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+Moderating could then be our last resort?<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+- --<br>
+Patricia Fraser<br>
+On the move<br></div></blockquote></div>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/4 Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+managed by human beings able to make the difference<br>
+between subjects that will be worth the dev/packagers invested time...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>(i agree)<br><br> <br></div></div><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">this could be done with the triage team, in that function very much like a pre-sorting.<br>
+</span><span style="" title="">The experience of the old forum shows that it is difficult to do this without much formalized at the outset.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">I fully endorse the idea. </span><span style="" title="">The essence of the forum makes it difficult to reconcile automation and quality report. </span><span style="" title="">And whatever your technical choice.<br>
+<br></span><span style="" title="">In
+ more general terms, this should be the same triage team who cares (or 
+at least those involved to sort information on the forum is part of the 
+team yards). </span><span style="" title="">That makes sense for the organization to avoid an erosion of wills.<br><br>finally, +1 could be sufficient ;)<br></span></span>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/4 Maât <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+managed by human beings able to make the difference<br>
+between subjects that will be worth the dev/packagers invested time...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>(i agree)<br><br> <br></div></div><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span style="background-color: rgb(230, 236, 249); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" title="">this could be done with the triage team, in that function very much like a pre-sorting.<br>
+</span><span style="" title="">The experience of the old forum shows that it is difficult to do this without much formalized at the outset.<br><br></span><span style="" title="">I fully endorse the idea. </span><span style="" title="">The essence of the forum makes it difficult to reconcile automation and quality report. </span><span style="" title="">And whatever your technical choice.<br>
+<br></span><span style="" title="">In
+ more general terms, this should be the same triage team who cares (or 
+at least those involved to sort information on the forum is part of the 
+team yards). </span><span style="" title="">That makes sense for the organization to avoid an erosion of wills.<br><br>finally, +1 could be sufficient ;)<br></span></span>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 19:28, Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+In fact communication between humans is never simple :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div>�Yes.<br><br></div></div>I think that most hopes and fears have now been voiced in this thread.<br>If I have understood correctly you will be the one to set up this communication structure.<br>
+So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it now ?<br><br>developers, triage, moderators, facilitators, helpers, .... users<br>bugzilla, ML&#39;s, Forums : open , read only, restricted membership, moderated ...<br>
+HowTo&#39;s, guidelines, ...<br>Who does what where ?<br clear="all"><br>Even if incomplete, and with options and unknowns, I think it could help.<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 19:28, Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+In fact communication between humans is never simple :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Ma�t<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div>�Yes.<br><br></div></div>I think that most hopes and fears have now been voiced in this thread.<br>If I have understood correctly you will be the one to set up this communication structure.<br>
+So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it now ?<br><br>developers, triage, moderators, facilitators, helpers, .... users<br>bugzilla, ML&#39;s, Forums : open , read only, restricted membership, moderated ...<br>
+HowTo&#39;s, guidelines, ...<br>Who does what where ?<br clear="all"><br>Even if incomplete, and with options and unknowns, I think it could help.<br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:07, Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK.<br>
+<br>
+I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of<br>
+information, but this page is pretty accurate:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div><br>
+Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one&#39;s point of view, by international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at the time of signing) Ireland&#39;s country code is IE. Ireland was part of this agreement.<br>
+<font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>I think you keep confusing  Ireland as a country and   Ireland as geographical island. Ireland the country does not cover all of   Ireland the geographical island.<br>Ireland&#39;s country code is IE but does not apply to   the whole of Ireland the geographical island. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</a> is not part of <br>
+IE but of UK.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:07, Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK.<br>
+<br>
+I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of<br>
+information, but this page is pretty accurate:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div><br>
+Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one&#39;s point of view, by international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at the time of signing) Ireland&#39;s country code is IE. Ireland was part of this agreement.<br>
+<font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>I think you keep confusing  Ireland as a country and   Ireland as geographical island. Ireland the country does not cover all of   Ireland the geographical island.<br>Ireland&#39;s country code is IE but does not apply to   the whole of Ireland the geographical island. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</a> is not part of <br>
+IE but of UK.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+MacXi,<div><br></div><div>S� pra melhorar o entendimento, muitas vezes essas redes s�o chamadas apenas de T1, T2, T3...</div><div><br></div><div>Abra�os,</div><div><br></div><div>J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 5 de outubro de 2010 10:23, MacXi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Junior,<br>
+Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net:<br>
+(<a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1" target="_blank">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</a>).<br>
+Abs<br>
+MacXi<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Em Seg 04 Out 2010, �s 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J�nior<br>
+escreveu:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; MacXi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Tier1 � um tipo de rede IP, isso n�o se traduz. Talvez voc� possa colocar<br>
+&gt; �um link para uma p�gina que explique o que �.<br>
+&gt; Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que l� tenha algo bem explicado.<br>
+&gt; Abra�os,<br>
+&gt; J�nior<br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+MacXi,<div><br></div><div>S� pra melhorar o entendimento, muitas vezes essas redes s�o chamadas apenas de T1, T2, T3...</div><div><br></div><div>Abra�os,</div><div><br></div><div>J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 5 de outubro de 2010 10:23, MacXi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Junior,<br>
+Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net:<br>
+(<a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1" target="_blank">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</a>).<br>
+Abs<br>
+MacXi<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Em Seg 04 Out 2010, �s 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J�nior<br>
+escreveu:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; MacXi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Tier1 � um tipo de rede IP, isso n�o se traduz. Talvez voc� possa colocar<br>
+&gt; �um link para uma p�gina que explique o que �.<br>
+&gt; Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que l� tenha algo bem explicado.<br>
+&gt; Abra�os,<br>
+&gt; J�nior<br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Hello!</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">At present, if someone want to translate the pages or documents into his or her language, he or she must send the translation to administrators, and the administrators will put the translation on the site. If the translation should be improved, the&nbsp;translator have to send the improved translation to&nbsp;administrators again. Administrators are not able to read many languages, so they have to spend much energy and time on edit work of pages and documents with contacting the translator. Therefore, translation work often is inefficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">I think the site can use a mode as Wikipedia. In Wikipedia, I created a Chinese page for Magie. Every time I read it, I have some new ideas to improve it, just modifying one word or two words. So, the page will be better and better. If every time modifying one or two words should be done by administrators, the translation work will be&nbsp;inefficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Except the original text of English or French, can other languages translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia? I am sure that the mode will be very&nbsp;efficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Best regards,</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Jiang Yike</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+</font>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Hello!</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">At present, if someone want to translate the pages or documents into his or her language, he or she must send the translation to administrators, and the administrators will put the translation on the site. If the translation should be improved, the&nbsp;translator have to send the improved translation to&nbsp;administrators again. Administrators are not able to read many languages, so they have to spend much energy and time on edit work of pages and documents with contacting the translator. Therefore, translation work often is inefficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">I think the site can use a mode as Wikipedia. In Wikipedia, I created a Chinese page for Magie. Every time I read it, I have some new ideas to improve it, just modifying one word or two words. So, the page will be better and better. If every time modifying one or two words should be done by administrators, the translation work will be&nbsp;inefficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Except the original text of English or French, can other languages translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia? I am sure that the mode will be very&nbsp;efficient.</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Best regards,</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">Jiang Yike</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black"><br>
+</div>
+</font>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some part<br>
+will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>here is at instant t a synthesis of what I saw (incomplete, to be discussed, enhanced and clarified)</div><div>�<a href="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</a></div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+1) Seting up <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>�done</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+2) Mirrors list<br>
+I&#39;ll setup the promise web application (probably on distrib-coffee at time) + an<br>
+svn read-only access to the code. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>done</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)<br>
+</blockquote><div>done</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">BTW: finding other Tier1 mirrors is still in progress.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+done, others welcome :)�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+4) Documentation<br></blockquote><div>done</div><div>�<a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</a></div><div>may be easier to update on the wiki ? (and synchronized when corrected / precised?)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I suggest editing <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</a> which is on the wiki, rather than waiting for an update: this is to permit to any people to add what you think is important to document about the mirroring process (then Nanar will synchronize the documentation from time to time from the wiki ; who said release early, release often?).</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Do you have comment or proposal about this process ?<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would have some proposals to promote collaborative work, particularly about the structure, seeing only tier 1 is forgetting the whole use of mirrors by developers and users in the end (and mirrors-admin in the middle to determine what should be mirrored). That&#39;s why I tried to modelize it as a mind-mind with xmind.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Just have a look at:</div><div>�<a href="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</a>�</div></div>(well it&#39;s also a wiki, so feel free to edit it, you may download the xmind source as well and edit it, just send it on the ML once updated, telling what you&#39;ve changed)<br>
+<div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org">nanardon@nanardon.zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some part<br>
+will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>here is at instant t a synthesis of what I saw (incomplete, to be discussed, enhanced and clarified)</div><div>�<a href="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</a></div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+1) Seting up <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>�done</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+2) Mirrors list<br>
+I&#39;ll setup the promise web application (probably on distrib-coffee at time) + an<br>
+svn read-only access to the code. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>done</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)<br>
+</blockquote><div>done</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">BTW: finding other Tier1 mirrors is still in progress.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+done, others welcome :)�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+4) Documentation<br></blockquote><div>done</div><div>�<a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</a></div><div>may be easier to update on the wiki ? (and synchronized when corrected / precised?)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I suggest editing <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</a> which is on the wiki, rather than waiting for an update: this is to permit to any people to add what you think is important to document about the mirroring process (then Nanar will synchronize the documentation from time to time from the wiki ; who said release early, release often?).</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Do you have comment or proposal about this process ?<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would have some proposals to promote collaborative work, particularly about the structure, seeing only tier 1 is forgetting the whole use of mirrors by developers and users in the end (and mirrors-admin in the middle to determine what should be mirrored). That&#39;s why I tried to modelize it as a mind-mind with xmind.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Just have a look at:</div><div>�<a href="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</a>�</div></div>(well it&#39;s also a wiki, so feel free to edit it, you may download the xmind source as well and edit it, just send it on the ML once updated, telling what you&#39;ve changed)<br>
+<div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Oct 6, 2010 &nbsp; &nbsp;Romain d'Alverny &lt;rdalverny@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</span><br>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">
+<div id="AOLMsgPart_0_518531a2-895f-437a-9d94-8da7f32cef7e" style="margin: 0px;font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif;font-size: 12px;color: #000;background-color: #fff;"><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Depends. We would like the main web site to be localized in several,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>many languages (notwithstanding other web resources).
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>There are several ways to do it: CMS, wiki, specific po file-based,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>full HTML in language trees through a SCM, etc.
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>The main website being more in a showcase situation, we will need to
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>have a reasonable control over the HTML there, in every locale. There
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>is a balance to find between Web design, integrators and translators
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>coordination. So it may be that a light, custom, HTML edited,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>file-based with a SCM solution would fit (every translator handling
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>her own language tree, synchronizing with the pivot language -
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Blogdrake people experienced that in the past, I already posted
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>something about that in a earlier message; it has drawbacks,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>advantages and can be improved).
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Other parts of the Web site will definitely use something else
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>(localized forums, wikis, some specific web apps, hence using language
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>files). Again, nothing decided yet.
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>I hope we can start working on this about next week (going through the
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Web team, coordinating with comm' and marketing teams).
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Cheers,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Romain
+</tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><br>
+</tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Well, I see. Things are not ready at present.</span></font></tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">CMS (for official contents) + Wiki (for multilingual contents) is a good mode. Different work has different permissions.</span></font></tt></pre><pre><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Anyway, t</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: medium; ">t's a top priority to release a preview or beta version of Mageia.:)</span></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Take care!</span></font></tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Yike</span></font></tt></pre>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Oct 6, 2010 &nbsp; &nbsp;Romain d'Alverny &lt;rdalverny@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</span><br>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">
+<div id="AOLMsgPart_0_518531a2-895f-437a-9d94-8da7f32cef7e" style="margin: 0px;font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, Sans-Serif;font-size: 12px;color: #000;background-color: #fff;"><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Depends. We would like the main web site to be localized in several,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>many languages (notwithstanding other web resources).
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>There are several ways to do it: CMS, wiki, specific po file-based,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>full HTML in language trees through a SCM, etc.
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>The main website being more in a showcase situation, we will need to
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>have a reasonable control over the HTML there, in every locale. There
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>is a balance to find between Web design, integrators and translators
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>coordination. So it may be that a light, custom, HTML edited,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>file-based with a SCM solution would fit (every translator handling
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>her own language tree, synchronizing with the pivot language -
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Blogdrake people experienced that in the past, I already posted
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>something about that in a earlier message; it has drawbacks,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>advantages and can be improved).
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Other parts of the Web site will definitely use something else
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>(localized forums, wikis, some specific web apps, hence using language
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>files). Again, nothing decided yet.
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>I hope we can start working on this about next week (going through the
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Web team, coordinating with comm' and marketing teams).
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Cheers,
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>
+<font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">&gt;</span></font>Romain
+</tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><br>
+</tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Well, I see. Things are not ready at present.</span></font></tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">CMS (for official contents) + Wiki (for multilingual contents) is a good mode. Different work has different permissions.</span></font></tt></pre><pre><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Anyway, t</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: medium; ">t's a top priority to release a preview or beta version of Mageia.:)</span></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Take care!</span></font></tt></pre><pre><tt><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: medium;">Yike</span></font></tt></pre>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 08:36, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div class="h5"><br>
+</div>i notice that in 2010.1 in Kmail, this whole thread is grouped for date<br>
+&quot;Unknown&quot; which is listed above &quot;Today&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+There is definately a date header, that doesn&#39;t seem to be the problem. It<br>
+would be interesting to find out what is different between this and the other<br>
+threads?<br>
+<br>
+something about dates in the future when delivered? or something?<br></blockquote><div>�</div></div>Using gmail in 2010.1 everything seems normal. <br>But somebody reported the same sort of problem for this thread, with a message date of 21-10-2010.<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 08:36, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><div class="h5"><br>
+</div>i notice that in 2010.1 in Kmail, this whole thread is grouped for date<br>
+&quot;Unknown&quot; which is listed above &quot;Today&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+There is definately a date header, that doesn&#39;t seem to be the problem. It<br>
+would be interesting to find out what is different between this and the other<br>
+threads?<br>
+<br>
+something about dates in the future when delivered? or something?<br></blockquote><div>�</div></div>Using gmail in 2010.1 everything seems normal. <br>But somebody reported the same sort of problem for this thread, with a message date of 21-10-2010.<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+Please first excuse my english level (and sometimes usage of automatic translation)<div>I have some reflexions and questions i think it could be interesting to share here :</div><div><br></div><div>Doc Team.</div><div><br>
+</div><div>_ base : that the documentary team has previously conducted</div><div>_ base : operation for common tools for this job</div><div><br></div><div>_ objective : make participation easy</div><div>_ objective : produce quality docs for readers</div>
+<div><br></div><div>_ question : could we mix the usage of wiki and edition ? ;-)</div><div>_ proposition : reserve wiki for contributors works, simply by have a large banner at the top of wiki welcome page (<a href="http://docs.mageia.org">docs.mageia.org</a> ? or whereever). Banner invite to download latest doc compil.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>_ effect : no invitation to read wiki. Wiki is ever a working place (as cauldron is dev sys)</div><div>_ effect : Readers and users have ever a validated and finalised documentation</div><div>_ effect : preserve &#39;works-ever&#39; wiki and prevent any &#39;never-finished&#39; impression for docs readers</div>
+<div>_ effect : make people want to participate by producing a good doc final quality</div><div><br></div><div>No revolution, no new tool, no great idea (sorry :p), just a little orga adjusment to change perception of readers on our doc.</div>
+<div>Additonnals : produce in well know format, standard, with easy scanning and indexing for desktop tools (as strigi / nepomuk)</div><div><br></div><div>Resume in two sentences : </div><div>Wiki is for workers. Final doc is for readers, and could include common texts (as releases notes, issues and wiki doc)</div>
+<div>Mix wiki usage for edition objective to have separation between places : works and reads.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+Please first excuse my english level (and sometimes usage of automatic translation)<div>I have some reflexions and questions i think it could be interesting to share here :</div><div><br></div><div>Doc Team.</div><div><br>
+</div><div>_ base : that the documentary team has previously conducted</div><div>_ base : operation for common tools for this job</div><div><br></div><div>_ objective : make participation easy</div><div>_ objective : produce quality docs for readers</div>
+<div><br></div><div>_ question : could we mix the usage of wiki and edition ? ;-)</div><div>_ proposition : reserve wiki for contributors works, simply by have a large banner at the top of wiki welcome page (<a href="http://docs.mageia.org">docs.mageia.org</a> ? or whereever). Banner invite to download latest doc compil.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>_ effect : no invitation to read wiki. Wiki is ever a working place (as cauldron is dev sys)</div><div>_ effect : Readers and users have ever a validated and finalised documentation</div><div>_ effect : preserve &#39;works-ever&#39; wiki and prevent any &#39;never-finished&#39; impression for docs readers</div>
+<div>_ effect : make people want to participate by producing a good doc final quality</div><div><br></div><div>No revolution, no new tool, no great idea (sorry :p), just a little orga adjusment to change perception of readers on our doc.</div>
+<div>Additonnals : produce in well know format, standard, with easy scanning and indexing for desktop tools (as strigi / nepomuk)</div><div><br></div><div>Resume in two sentences : </div><div>Wiki is for workers. Final doc is for readers, and could include common texts (as releases notes, issues and wiki doc)</div>
+<div>Mix wiki usage for edition objective to have separation between places : works and reads.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 16:24, Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 05/10/2010 02:39, Frederic Janssens a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; communication structure.</div></blockquote><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+&gt; So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more<br>
+&gt; constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it<br>
+&gt; now ?<br>
+</div><br></blockquote>Thanks for the reply<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to<br>
+bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a<br>
+(hopefully big) number of them in forum support team.<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes, I think their role should be better advertised, and coupled to support.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+-- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users<br>
+(and hopefully also skilled experts) �willing to guide less experienced<br>
+users and new comers. Ideally this team should be rather large to give<br>
+users a feeling of being quickly and well taken care of.<br>
+The members of this team will offer the better way for Mageia to welcome<br>
+users and give a positive support experience. This task can be very time<br>
+consuming so the more skilled they will be and the more their number<br>
+will be,</blockquote><div>�</div><div>I think it would be best to have a gradation of skills, with an easy access to<br>less specialised helper roles.<br>The nearest thing I know to what I envision is the karma/moderation model of <br>
+<a href="http://slashdot.org/">http://slashdot.org/</a> . But <em>phpBB3</em> does not seem support such sorts of features.<br>I am still trying to understand it&#39;s structure to see if it is reasonable to try to add them.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> the more easy to endure will be the task and the more happy<br>
+will be Mageia end users.<br>
+�<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+This team work and the quality of packagers work (iow the distro) imho<br>
+will be the best assets of Mageia to conquer the world :o) (i&#39;m<br>
+borrowing Goom&#39;s &quot;clown nose&quot;)<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>�Yes, definitly. I think we must try to find ways/structures that help make these tasks enjoyable. The guiding principle beeing : most people enjoy beeing helpfull<br>within their abilities when they feel like it. So we have to give them (not only those formally member of the team) the tools and permissions adapted to their level of competence. <br>
+<br>I mostly agree with all you wrote, but am too tired to do further comments at this moment.<br>Thanks<br>
+</div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 16:24, Ma�t <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 05/10/2010 02:39, Frederic Janssens a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; communication structure.</div></blockquote><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+&gt; So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more<br>
+&gt; constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it<br>
+&gt; now ?<br>
+</div><br></blockquote>Thanks for the reply<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><br>
+Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to<br>
+bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a<br>
+(hopefully big) number of them in forum support team.<br></blockquote><div>�</div><div>Yes, I think their role should be better advertised, and coupled to support.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+-- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users<br>
+(and hopefully also skilled experts) �willing to guide less experienced<br>
+users and new comers. Ideally this team should be rather large to give<br>
+users a feeling of being quickly and well taken care of.<br>
+The members of this team will offer the better way for Mageia to welcome<br>
+users and give a positive support experience. This task can be very time<br>
+consuming so the more skilled they will be and the more their number<br>
+will be,</blockquote><div>�</div><div>I think it would be best to have a gradation of skills, with an easy access to<br>less specialised helper roles.<br>The nearest thing I know to what I envision is the karma/moderation model of <br>
+<a href="http://slashdot.org/">http://slashdot.org/</a> . But <em>phpBB3</em> does not seem support such sorts of features.<br>I am still trying to understand it&#39;s structure to see if it is reasonable to try to add them.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> the more easy to endure will be the task and the more happy<br>
+will be Mageia end users.<br>
+�<br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+This team work and the quality of packagers work (iow the distro) imho<br>
+will be the best assets of Mageia to conquer the world :o) (i&#39;m<br>
+borrowing Goom&#39;s &quot;clown nose&quot;)<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>�Yes, definitly. I think we must try to find ways/structures that help make these tasks enjoyable. The guiding principle beeing : most people enjoy beeing helpfull<br>within their abilities when they feel like it. So we have to give them (not only those formally member of the team) the tools and permissions adapted to their level of competence. <br>
+<br>I mostly agree with all you wrote, but am too tired to do further comments at this moment.<br>Thanks<br>
+</div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+Hi everyone,<br><br>I&#39;d like to present to you some logos I made for mageia.<br><br>For their story:<br>First, I designed a shape around the letter &quot;m&quot; to be easily and quickly identifiable.<br>After that, the idea has been to choose the colors: Orange and blue <br>
+
+
+
+
+the next step has been to find a clear, light and modern font: Greyscale Basic (<a href="http://www.greyscale.net/basic/" target="_blank">http://www.greyscale.net/basic/</a>)<br>Finally, I&#39;ve played with 2 ideas: <br>
+
+
+Idea 1- The letter and a symbol (in memory of the past): a star, a square and a circle with some light effects in cartoon style.<br>
+
+- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
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+
+- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br><br>Idea 2- The letter like a button with the same light effects plus a version in plain color.<br>
+
+
+
+
+- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
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+- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+
+
+<br>Hope you will appreciate them!<br><br>To introduce myself, I make designs for the OpenOffice.org projects since 2004.<br>Have a look here: <a href="http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/" target="_blank">http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/</a><br>
+
+
+
+
+<br>Regards,<br><font color="#888888">--<br>Ben<br><br></font>
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+Hi everyone,<br><br>I&#39;d like to present to you some logos I made for mageia.<br><br>For their story:<br>First, I designed a shape around the letter &quot;m&quot; to be easily and quickly identifiable.<br>After that, the idea has been to choose the colors: Orange and blue <br>
+
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+
+
+the next step has been to find a clear, light and modern font: Greyscale Basic (<a href="http://www.greyscale.net/basic/" target="_blank">http://www.greyscale.net/basic/</a>)<br>Finally, I&#39;ve played with 2 ideas: <br>
+
+
+Idea 1- The letter and a symbol (in memory of the past): a star, a square and a circle with some light effects in cartoon style.<br>
+
+- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+
+
+- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br><br>Idea 2- The letter like a button with the same light effects plus a version in plain color.<br>
+
+
+
+
+- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+
+
+- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>- <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/</a><br>
+
+
+
+
+<br>Hope you will appreciate them!<br><br>To introduce myself, I make designs for the OpenOffice.org projects since 2004.<br>Have a look here: <a href="http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/" target="_blank">http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/</a><br>
+
+
+
+
+<br>Regards,<br><font color="#888888">--<br>Ben<br><br></font>
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+Another tool for the same objective (and more) :<div><br></div><div><a href="http://shapado.com">http://shapado.com</a></div><div>licence : Affero GPL v3 :)</div><div><br></div><div>Let you build your own opinion (no influence over what I think, whatever). Thank you for considering the use of this software.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Regards</div>
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+Another tool for the same objective (and more) :<div><br></div><div><a href="http://shapado.com">http://shapado.com</a></div><div>licence : Affero GPL v3 :)</div><div><br></div><div>Let you build your own opinion (no influence over what I think, whatever). Thank you for considering the use of this software.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Regards</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+While shapado is interesting ( but not packaged at this moment ), I fail<br>
+to see how it a tool for list to web forum gateway.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Me too. Simply i dont want to start another discuss, just pass link here, where many people seems to be attentive to this type of tools in general </div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+There was some discussions among forum moderators at mandriva about<br>
+using a better tools for support questions, and I think that shapado or<br>
+similar software could be used for that.<br>
+But again, not now.<br> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Never mind. I think &quot;Darwin Law&quot; is good for software too :) If shapado or similar will be used, and if it will be used more than others, then ... :)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your attention</div><div> </div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/6 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+While shapado is interesting ( but not packaged at this moment ), I fail<br>
+to see how it a tool for list to web forum gateway.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Me too. Simply i dont want to start another discuss, just pass link here, where many people seems to be attentive to this type of tools in general </div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+There was some discussions among forum moderators at mandriva about<br>
+using a better tools for support questions, and I think that shapado or<br>
+similar software could be used for that.<br>
+But again, not now.<br> </blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Never mind. I think &quot;Darwin Law&quot; is good for software too :) If shapado or similar will be used, and if it will be used more than others, then ... :)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your attention</div><div> </div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM, andré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Sander Lepik a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+  02.10.2010 18:22, Remco Rijnders kirjutas:<br>
+   <br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, André Machado wrote:<br>
+<br>
+* Mageia 2011.0 ?<br>
+* Mageia 2001.1 ?<br>
+* Mageia 11.01 ? :D<br>
+* Mageia 1.0 ?<br>
+     <br>
+</blockquote>
+20xx.0 -&gt;  20xx.1 is perfect. Tho&#39; 20xx.0 should be released at spring time and 20xx.1 later<br>
+the same year. At the moment it doesn&#39;t make sense and many friends have asked why is 20xy<br>
+released in 20x(y-1).<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Exactly.  Mandriva version numbering sounds like we are selling cars.  (You know, all image and no substance.)<br>
+So let&#39;s go for Mageia 2010.1 if we can do it this fall.  (Hopefully)<br>
+And Mageia 2011.0 in the spring.<br>
+Note that we will have to recompile to change Mandriva to Mageia, so changing the version number should cause no problem.<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3<br>
+for a release made in March. That way we are always &quot;up to date&quot; and can<br>
+allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year<br>
+if needed / fitting.<br>
+     <br>
+</blockquote>
+Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don&#39;t<br>
+like it. When the release needs to be delayed it&#39;s better to do so. Not to push it out and<br>
+then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don&#39;t have to remember<br>
+which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5?<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1.<br>
+If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you want to have to change the names of 100&#39;s of files ?<br>
+Including the dependancies in the RPM&#39;s ?<br>
+Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1.<br>
+<br>
+And why would you want 3 releases in a year ?  With the pace of changes in Linux, 2 seems just right.  If there are any important updates, for security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system we are inheriting (like virtually all others).<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+--<br>
+Sander<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote>
+- André (andre999)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>Why not make them read the version info from one place? (on a long term...)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM, andré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Sander Lepik a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+  02.10.2010 18:22, Remco Rijnders kirjutas:<br>
+   <br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, André Machado wrote:<br>
+<br>
+* Mageia 2011.0 ?<br>
+* Mageia 2001.1 ?<br>
+* Mageia 11.01 ? :D<br>
+* Mageia 1.0 ?<br>
+     <br>
+</blockquote>
+20xx.0 -&gt;  20xx.1 is perfect. Tho&#39; 20xx.0 should be released at spring time and 20xx.1 later<br>
+the same year. At the moment it doesn&#39;t make sense and many friends have asked why is 20xy<br>
+released in 20x(y-1).<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Exactly.  Mandriva version numbering sounds like we are selling cars.  (You know, all image and no substance.)<br>
+So let&#39;s go for Mageia 2010.1 if we can do it this fall.  (Hopefully)<br>
+And Mageia 2011.0 in the spring.<br>
+Note that we will have to recompile to change Mandriva to Mageia, so changing the version number should cause no problem.<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3<br>
+for a release made in March. That way we are always &quot;up to date&quot; and can<br>
+allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year<br>
+if needed / fitting.<br>
+     <br>
+</blockquote>
+Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don&#39;t<br>
+like it. When the release needs to be delayed it&#39;s better to do so. Not to push it out and<br>
+then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don&#39;t have to remember<br>
+which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5?<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1.<br>
+If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you want to have to change the names of 100&#39;s of files ?<br>
+Including the dependancies in the RPM&#39;s ?<br>
+Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1.<br>
+<br>
+And why would you want 3 releases in a year ?  With the pace of changes in Linux, 2 seems just right.  If there are any important updates, for security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system we are inheriting (like virtually all others).<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+--<br>
+Sander<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote>
+- André (andre999)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>Why not make them read the version info from one place? (on a long term...)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/8 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div> is it possible to record the messages </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>oupss : s/record/have a rating </div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/8 yvan munoz <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com">mr.yvan.munoz@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div> is it possible to record the messages </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>oupss : s/record/have a rating </div></div>
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+Ouppsss i forgot the essential : great great news calinco ;)<div><br></div>
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+Ouppsss i forgot the essential : great great news calinco ;)<div><br></div>
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+<div>My question is basically revolved around the fact that mdk / mdv has always been a pretty active community around the documentation, and in all the languages I think it does. On the other, as you point out there were clear and well defined process for creating official documentation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>On the wiki, we have all seen change so diverse content by language. This is a sign of wealth but may be unfortunate because we lost by lack of unification.</div><div>The other defect of the wiki is the feeling of unfinished work forever. (When you do not implement the same procedures as in Gentoo or Fedora). Which, by experience one realizes, is part of a source of confusion for readers, and other corporate sources of exhaustion for writers, because of criticism due to the first point.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The process you describe, and that you report to want to keep extending it, the process is professional, professional quality.</div><div><br></div><div>And I want to ask you some questions about how best to:</div>
+<div>1. not frustrate the contributors to the wiki, they can participate</div><div>2. not repeat the mistakes of a wiki giving the impression of never finished (not good for users, not as nice returns for writers)</div><div>
+3. not to lose local skills when they are not able to have a minimum technical English despite having all the qualities and willingness to participate</div><div><br></div><div>Hence the idea (but certainly not the best) can also enhance the professional quality documentation with translations, certainly rare in the sense other languages -&gt; English. And not just in one direction.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div>
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+<div>My question is basically revolved around the fact that mdk / mdv has always been a pretty active community around the documentation, and in all the languages I think it does. On the other, as you point out there were clear and well defined process for creating official documentation.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>On the wiki, we have all seen change so diverse content by language. This is a sign of wealth but may be unfortunate because we lost by lack of unification.</div><div>The other defect of the wiki is the feeling of unfinished work forever. (When you do not implement the same procedures as in Gentoo or Fedora). Which, by experience one realizes, is part of a source of confusion for readers, and other corporate sources of exhaustion for writers, because of criticism due to the first point.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The process you describe, and that you report to want to keep extending it, the process is professional, professional quality.</div><div><br></div><div>And I want to ask you some questions about how best to:</div>
+<div>1. not frustrate the contributors to the wiki, they can participate</div><div>2. not repeat the mistakes of a wiki giving the impression of never finished (not good for users, not as nice returns for writers)</div><div>
+3. not to lose local skills when they are not able to have a minimum technical English despite having all the qualities and willingness to participate</div><div><br></div><div>Hence the idea (but certainly not the best) can also enhance the professional quality documentation with translations, certainly rare in the sense other languages -&gt; English. And not just in one direction.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; At this time I doubt that we would be producing hardcopy manuals but<br>
+&gt; whatever documentation we produce should be of the same or better quality<br>
+&gt; as those we produced then. That is; we should aim to use quality writing<br>
+&gt; and screenshots and regardless of anything else what is produced it should<br>
+&gt; be in a print-ready form for ease of reference.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thoughts?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Sure! Just keep in mind we cannot reuse mdv documentation because of<br>
+licence (at least from 2005). I spoke with Camille (from Neodoc). He<br>
+seems ok to give a hand and host Calenco platform for Mageia doc. It<br>
+means we would have real tool that fits doc team needs: manage<br>
+documentation project, translations, writters, readers...<br>
+<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Could be good but if it will be used, please remember provide some documentation how exactly to translate, also. Being not able to understand how it works (besides short-lived experiment providing PO-files for translation) was and is IMHO main reason why Mandriva documentation is translated quite a few languages.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; John NZ<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; At this time I doubt that we would be producing hardcopy manuals but<br>
+&gt; whatever documentation we produce should be of the same or better quality<br>
+&gt; as those we produced then. That is; we should aim to use quality writing<br>
+&gt; and screenshots and regardless of anything else what is produced it should<br>
+&gt; be in a print-ready form for ease of reference.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thoughts?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Sure! Just keep in mind we cannot reuse mdv documentation because of<br>
+licence (at least from 2005). I spoke with Camille (from Neodoc). He<br>
+seems ok to give a hand and host Calenco platform for Mageia doc. It<br>
+means we would have real tool that fits doc team needs: manage<br>
+documentation project, translations, writters, readers...<br>
+<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Could be good but if it will be used, please remember provide some documentation how exactly to translate, also. Being not able to understand how it works (besides short-lived experiment providing PO-files for translation) was and is IMHO main reason why Mandriva documentation is translated quite a few languages.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; John NZ<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Just to ensure we will not encompass the mandrake story again, check <a href="http://www.mageia.com">http://www.mageia.com</a> ...<br>
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+Just to ensure we will not encompass the mandrake story again, check <a href="http://www.mageia.com">http://www.mageia.com</a> ...<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+ I am the one who volunteered of writing it </blockquote><div>2010/10/7 Maât &lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</div><div><div>News about forums progress :</div></div><div><div><br></div>
+</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>Is it possible to examine details about the forum together?</div><div><br></div><div>by experience of the forums, it does not seem to have a good rating users depending on the nomber posts. This leads readers to some confusion as to the quality of assistance sometimes. Is it possible to remove this function pbpbb?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>second question: is it possible to record the messages for all the worst for a category (typically moderators) at best. This is to save time in the classification of questions and tips written by everyone?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>what you thinks about this two littles points ? Possible ?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/7 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+ I am the one who volunteered of writing it </blockquote><div>2010/10/7 Maât &lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;</div><div><div>News about forums progress :</div></div><div><div><br></div>
+</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div>Is it possible to examine details about the forum together?</div><div><br></div><div>by experience of the forums, it does not seem to have a good rating users depending on the nomber posts. This leads readers to some confusion as to the quality of assistance sometimes. Is it possible to remove this function pbpbb?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>second question: is it possible to record the messages for all the worst for a category (typically moderators) at best. This is to save time in the classification of questions and tips written by everyone?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>what you thinks about this two littles points ? Possible ?</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">
+<div>In my opinion, Mageia distro's version can set as 2011.0 (2011 Spring) and 2011.1 (2011 Autumn). The secondary version "0" is released in every spring, and the "1" is released in every autumn.</div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">I also wish that, the series of Magiea includes:</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Mageia One (as Mandriva One): official GNOME and KDE.</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Mageia Free (as Mandriva Free): official GNOME and KDE, all softwares are free softwares.</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">And, I hope that the present Mandriva Linux system (One and Free) can be upgraded to Mageia (One and Free) without re-installation of a new system.</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Best regards,</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Jiang Yike</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+-----Original Message-----</span><br>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">From: Mihai Dobrescu &lt;msdobrescu@gmail.com&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>
+Sent: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 9:19 pm<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Wish List<br>
+<br>
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+<div id="AOLMsgPart_2_d45e5cae-3c9b-4428-9bf3-3b5f62831cd7">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM, andré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Sander Lepik a écrit :
+<div class="im"><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+ &nbsp;02.10.2010 18:22, Remco Rijnders kirjutas:<br>
+
+ &nbsp; <br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, André Machado wrote:<br>
+
+<br>
+
+* Mageia 2011.0 ?<br>
+
+* Mageia 2001.1 ?<br>
+
+* Mageia 11.01 ? :D<br>
+
+* Mageia 1.0 ?<br>
+
+ &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote>
+20xx.0 -&gt; &nbsp;20xx.1 is perfect. Tho' 20xx.0 should be released at spring time and 20xx.1 later<br>
+
+the same year. At the moment it doesn't make sense and many friends have asked why is 20xy<br>
+
+released in 20x(y-1).<br>
+
+ &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote></div>
+
+Exactly. &nbsp;Mandriva version numbering sounds like we are selling cars. &nbsp;(You know, all image and no substance.)<br>
+
+So let's go for Mageia 2010.1 if we can do it this fall. &nbsp;(Hopefully)<br>
+
+And Mageia 2011.0 in the spring.<br>
+
+Note that we will have to recompile to change Mandriva to Mageia, so changing the version number should cause no problem.
+<div class="im"><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3<br>
+
+for a release made in March. That way we are always "up to date" and can<br>
+
+allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year<br>
+
+if needed / fitting.<br>
+
+ &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote>
+Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don't<br>
+
+like it. When the release needs to be delayed it's better to do so. Not to push it out and<br>
+
+then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don't have to remember<br>
+
+which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5?<br>
+
+ &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote></div>
+
+It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1.<br>
+
+If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you want to have to change the names of 100's of files ?<br>
+
+Including the dependancies in the RPM's ?<br>
+
+Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1.<br>
+
+<br>
+
+And why would you want 3 releases in a year ? &nbsp;With the pace of changes in Linux, 2 seems just right. &nbsp;If there are any important updates, for security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system we are inheriting (like virtually all others).<br>
+
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+--<br>
+
+Sander<br>
+
+ &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote>
+- André (andre999)<br>
+
+<br>
+
+</blockquote></div>
+Why not make them read the version info from one place? (on a long term...)<br>
+
+
+</div>
+ <!-- end of AOLMsgPart_2_d45e5cae-3c9b-4428-9bf3-3b5f62831cd7 -->
+
+
+
+</div>
+</font>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">
+<div>In my opinion, Mageia distro's version can set as 2011.0 (2011 Spring) and 2011.1 (2011 Autumn). The secondary version "0" is released in every spring, and the "1" is released in every autumn.</div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">I also wish that, the series of Magiea includes:</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Mageia One (as Mandriva One): official GNOME and KDE.</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Mageia Free (as Mandriva Free): official GNOME and KDE, all softwares are free softwares.</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">And, I hope that the present Mandriva Linux system (One and Free) can be upgraded to Mageia (One and Free) without re-installation of a new system.</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Best regards,</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; ">Jiang Yike</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, helvetica; "><br>
+</span></div>
+-----Original Message-----</span><br>
+
+<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica;font-size:10pt;color:black">From: Mihai Dobrescu &lt;msdobrescu@gmail.com&gt;<br>
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>
+Sent: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 9:19 pm<br>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Wish List<br>
+<br>
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+<div id="AOLMsgPart_2_d45e5cae-3c9b-4428-9bf3-3b5f62831cd7">On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM, andré <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Sander Lepik a écrit :
+<div class="im"><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+ &nbsp;02.10.2010 18:22, Remco Rijnders kirjutas:<br>
+
+ &nbsp; <br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, André Machado wrote:<br>
+
+<br>
+
+* Mageia 2011.0 ?<br>
+
+* Mageia 2001.1 ?<br>
+
+* Mageia 11.01 ? :D<br>
+
+* Mageia 1.0 ?<br>
+
+ &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote>
+20xx.0 -&gt; &nbsp;20xx.1 is perfect. Tho' 20xx.0 should be released at spring time and 20xx.1 later<br>
+
+the same year. At the moment it doesn't make sense and many friends have asked why is 20xy<br>
+
+released in 20x(y-1).<br>
+
+ &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote></div>
+
+Exactly. &nbsp;Mandriva version numbering sounds like we are selling cars. &nbsp;(You know, all image and no substance.)<br>
+
+So let's go for Mageia 2010.1 if we can do it this fall. &nbsp;(Hopefully)<br>
+
+And Mageia 2011.0 in the spring.<br>
+
+Note that we will have to recompile to change Mandriva to Mageia, so changing the version number should cause no problem.
+<div class="im"><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3<br>
+
+for a release made in March. That way we are always "up to date" and can<br>
+
+allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year<br>
+
+if needed / fitting.<br>
+
+ &nbsp; &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote>
+Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don't<br>
+
+like it. When the release needs to be delayed it's better to do so. Not to push it out and<br>
+
+then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don't have to remember<br>
+
+which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5?<br>
+
+ &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote></div>
+
+It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1.<br>
+
+If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you want to have to change the names of 100's of files ?<br>
+
+Including the dependancies in the RPM's ?<br>
+
+Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1.<br>
+
+<br>
+
+And why would you want 3 releases in a year ? &nbsp;With the pace of changes in Linux, 2 seems just right. &nbsp;If there are any important updates, for security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system we are inheriting (like virtually all others).<br>
+
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+--<br>
+
+Sander<br>
+
+ &nbsp; <br>
+
+</blockquote>
+- André (andre999)<br>
+
+<br>
+
+</blockquote></div>
+Why not make them read the version info from one place? (on a long term...)<br>
+
+
+</div>
+ <!-- end of AOLMsgPart_2_d45e5cae-3c9b-4428-9bf3-3b5f62831cd7 -->
+
+
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+</div>
+</font>
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+Samuel,<br><br>Am i allowed placing your message into the Dutch Mandriva-forum? (<a href="http://mandrivaclub.nl">mandrivaclub.nl</a>)<br><br>Thanks in advance,<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/12 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hello everyone,<br>
+<br>
+The Association of French-speaking Mandrivalinux users ( AUFML, Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux, <a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a> ) will have a booth at the Free Software Days ( JDLL, Journ�es du Logiciel Libre, <a href="http://www.jdll.org" target="_blank">http://www.jdll.org</a> ), in Lyon, France, on October 14th, 15th and 16th.<br>
+
+<br>
+We chose to represent both Mandriva Linux and Mageia. However, you probably guess that most of us are more interested in Mageia, and we think that people there will also be interested in it. We hope to be able to talk about this project to many people and convince some of them to try Mageia&#39;s first release when it&#39;s ready, or better yet to contribute.<br>
+
+<br>
+We prepared some materials (in French) :<br>
+�- colourful flyer with a quick explanation, FAQ&#39;s extracts, useful links, and some logos from the flick collection :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf</a><br>
+�- the text from <a href="http://mageia.org/fr" target="_blank">mageia.org/fr</a> :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_%282pages%29.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_(2pages).pdf</a><br>
+�- bordeaux poster (wine&#39;s color, we&#39;re not far from Beaujolais :)) :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf</a><br>
+<br>
+We&#39;ll try to report back after the event :)<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+Samuel,<br><br>Am i allowed placing your message into the Dutch Mandriva-forum? (<a href="http://mandrivaclub.nl">mandrivaclub.nl</a>)<br><br>Thanks in advance,<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/12 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hello everyone,<br>
+<br>
+The Association of French-speaking Mandrivalinux users ( AUFML, Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux, <a href="http://mandrivafr.org" target="_blank">http://mandrivafr.org</a> ) will have a booth at the Free Software Days ( JDLL, Journ�es du Logiciel Libre, <a href="http://www.jdll.org" target="_blank">http://www.jdll.org</a> ), in Lyon, France, on October 14th, 15th and 16th.<br>
+
+<br>
+We chose to represent both Mandriva Linux and Mageia. However, you probably guess that most of us are more interested in Mageia, and we think that people there will also be interested in it. We hope to be able to talk about this project to many people and convince some of them to try Mageia&#39;s first release when it&#39;s ready, or better yet to contribute.<br>
+
+<br>
+We prepared some materials (in French) :<br>
+�- colourful flyer with a quick explanation, FAQ&#39;s extracts, useful links, and some logos from the flick collection :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf</a><br>
+�- the text from <a href="http://mageia.org/fr" target="_blank">mageia.org/fr</a> :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_%282pages%29.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_(2pages).pdf</a><br>
+�- bordeaux poster (wine&#39;s color, we&#39;re not far from Beaujolais :)) :<br>
+<a href="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf</a><br>
+<br>
+We&#39;ll try to report back after the event :)<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+People are interested, but also a bit reserved, where it comes to Mageia.<br>I try to keep them interested, because i think it is going to lead somewhere.<br>It is good to let them know, there are all kind of activities on right now.<br>
+<br>Thanks for your quick reply.<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/13 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 10:29:13, isadora a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Samuel,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Am i allowed placing your message into the Dutch Mandriva-forum? (<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mandrivaclub.nl" target="_blank">mandrivaclub.nl</a>)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks in advance,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>(note : on mailing lists it&#39;s better to reply below the text, not above :))<br>
+<br>
+Yes you can put this message on the Dutch forum if you want. Can I ask why ? :)<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+People are interested, but also a bit reserved, where it comes to Mageia.<br>I try to keep them interested, because i think it is going to lead somewhere.<br>It is good to let them know, there are all kind of activities on right now.<br>
+<br>Thanks for your quick reply.<br><br>Isadora<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/13 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 10:29:13, isadora a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Samuel,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Am i allowed placing your message into the Dutch Mandriva-forum? (<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mandrivaclub.nl" target="_blank">mandrivaclub.nl</a>)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks in advance,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Isadora<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>(note : on mailing lists it&#39;s better to reply below the text, not above :))<br>
+<br>
+Yes you can put this message on the Dutch forum if you want. Can I ask why ? :)<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Qua 13 Out 2010, �s 14:10:44, Cazzaniga Sandro escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You probably known that we have a temporary wiki, for the moment. But</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; when we'll have a real wiki, why do you think about nominate a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; responsable, coordinator of tasks in the wiki? If you (all contributors</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; who are reading mageia-discuss) are ok, i'll be happy to do that.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sandro,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If you were responsable for the wiki,  <a name="result_box"></a>I would also suggest that the end of every page of the wiki had a link to the main page (back to home / wiki). This makes it easy to access wiki pages without left side column as the index  (even though provisional).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>It's the same situation as the wiki Mandriva-Brasil: (http://docs.mandriva-br.org/), <a name="result_box"></a>using Dokuwiki.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000;">H</span><span style=" color:#000000;">ug</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi<br /></p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Qua 13 Out 2010, �s 14:10:44, Cazzaniga Sandro escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You probably known that we have a temporary wiki, for the moment. But</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; when we'll have a real wiki, why do you think about nominate a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; responsable, coordinator of tasks in the wiki? If you (all contributors</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; who are reading mageia-discuss) are ok, i'll be happy to do that.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sandro,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If you were responsable for the wiki,  <a name="result_box"></a>I would also suggest that the end of every page of the wiki had a link to the main page (back to home / wiki). This makes it easy to access wiki pages without left side column as the index  (even though provisional).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>It's the same situation as the wiki Mandriva-Brasil: (http://docs.mandriva-br.org/), <a name="result_box"></a>using Dokuwiki.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000;">H</span><span style=" color:#000000;">ug</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi<br /></p></body></html>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Why not: Stick'on Mageia ;)<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Mihai Dobrescu &lt;msdobrescu@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 15 October, 2010 12:13:03<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash<br></font><br>Mageia in Flash 'n' Bytes...<br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div>Why not: Stick'on Mageia ;)<br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Mihai Dobrescu &lt;msdobrescu@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Fri, 15 October, 2010 12:13:03<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash<br></font><br>Mageia in Flash 'n' Bytes...<br>
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+						<span class="meta-prep meta-prep-author">Posted on</span> <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91" title="2:52 pm" rel="bookmark"><span class="entry-date">October 15, 2010</span></a> <span class="meta-sep">by</span> <span class="author vcard"><a class="url fn n" href="http://blog.mageia.org/?author=2" title="View all posts by ennael">ennael</a></span>					</div><!-- .entry-meta --> 
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+<div>Post in 3 languages (following...ENG and ITAL version of the post)</div>
+<div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>(FR)</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Bonjour,</div>
+<div>je trouve int&eacute;r&eacute;ssant la possibilit&eacute; de pouvoir essayer ou utiliser regulierement Mageia Linux avec une cl&eacute; USB (comme la plus partie des distro-Linux les plus connues), pourquoi pas proposer aux producteurs des outils pour Windows 32 bit freeware (come Universal USB Installer ou UnetBootin juste pour donner un example)&nbsp;mettre &agrave; jour leurs logiciels prochainement avec le support du prochain relase stable de Mageia Linux ?</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Moi j'ai essay&eacute; l'outil Universal USB Installer 1.8.04 qui vient d'etre mis &agrave; jour pour supporter Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (la derniere version), j'ai d&eacute;di&eacute; un article de test sur un portail de consultants-professionnels ICT en Italie (article en italien) qui vous pourrez lire (qui connais la langue italienne ou avec un traducteur par le web) &agrave; cet addresse:</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div><a href="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</a></div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Si vous avez besoin d'un coup de main pour un test et/ou pour proposer un article en italien sur Mageia Linux n'hesitez pas &agrave; me contacter, je travaille occasionnellement par des magazines sp&eacute;cialis&eacute; en informatique en Italie comme (Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Edizioni Informedia-Computer Programming, etc).</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>A bientot, et tous mes meilleurs voeux pour la prochaine pr&eacute;miere release de Mageia !</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Fabio Bronzini</div>
+<div><a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a></div>
+<div>Visitez my blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>-----------------------------------</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>(ENG)</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Good morning,</div>
+<div>i like very well the possibility to use Mageia Linux on a USB pen drive, as many&nbsp; other distro-Linux, may be we could propose to the authors of freeware-Windows-utilities (like Universal USB Installer or UnetBootIn) to support Mageia Linux in the next release....?</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>I'tried the next version/release of Universal USB Installer (1.8.04) - un update especially for the new Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (released on 10.10, the same day of Ubuntu 10.10), i wrote an italian article for a professional-web portal (called Consulenti ICT Italia)&nbsp;about this utility-freeware for Windows (which can make quickly a Linux-pen-drive bootable using a common PC with Windows Vista/7/XP by an iso files of a distro-Linux, and&nbsp;not only Ubuntu Linux)</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>You'll be able to read my article (in italian), following this URL link:</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div><a href="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</a></div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>If you need an help to test the next Mageia Linux stable version (even a beta) with Universal USB Installer (or similar utility freeware for Windows systems), i'll be happy to support you.. i'm available also to wirte&nbsp;an italian article on/about Mageia Linux (the next stable release when it will be available), i'm a freelance writer for some italian ICT magazines such as Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Infomedia-Computer Programming, etc.</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>My best wishes to Mageia Linux, sincerely</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Fabio Bronzini</div>
+<div><a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a></div>
+<div>Visit my blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>-----------------------------</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>(IT)</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Buongiorno,</div>
+<div>trovo interessante la possibilit&agrave; di poter provare o utilizzare regolarmente Mageia Linux con una chiavetta USB (come la maggior parte delle distribuzioni Linux tra le pi&ugrave; diffuse), perch&eacute; non proporre ai produttori di alcune utility freeware per Windows 32 bit (come Universal USB Installer o UnetBootin giusto per dare un esempio) di aggiornare i propri software con la prossima versione stable di Mageia Linux ?</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Io ho provato l'utility Universal USB Installer 1.8.04 che &egrave; stata aggiornata per&nbsp;supportare il nuovo Ubuntu Linux 10.10&nbsp;(l'ultima versione), ho dedicato un articolo di test del prodotto su un portale dedicato ai consulenti e professionisti ICT italiani (l'articolo &egrave; in italiano), che potrete lire (chi conosce la lingua italiana o usando un traduttore via werb), leggibile a questo indirizzo:</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div><a href="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</a></div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Se avete bisogno per un test e/o per proporre un articolo in italiano su Mageia Linux, non esitate a contattarmi, lavoro occasionalmente come collaboratore di alcune riviste e portali web in Italia del settore IT, come ad esempio Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Edizioni Infomedia-Computer Programming, etc.</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>A presto e i miei migliori auguri per la nuova distro Mageia Linux.</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Cordialmente</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Fabio Bronzini</div>
+<div><a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a></div>
+<div>Visitate il mio blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com</div>
+<div><span style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: x-small;">------------------------------<br /></span><!-- end tln_sanitized html --></div><br><div><font face=Verdana,Arial size=2>----<br>
+ Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato?  <a href="http://www.email.it/cgi-bin/start?sid=3" 
+ target="_blank" >GRATIS solo con Email.it</a> <br>
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+<div>Post in 3 languages (following...ENG and ITAL version of the post)</div>
+<div>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>(FR)</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Bonjour,</div>
+<div>je trouve int&eacute;r&eacute;ssant la possibilit&eacute; de pouvoir essayer ou utiliser regulierement Mageia Linux avec une cl&eacute; USB (comme la plus partie des distro-Linux les plus connues), pourquoi pas proposer aux producteurs des outils pour Windows 32 bit freeware (come Universal USB Installer ou UnetBootin juste pour donner un example)&nbsp;mettre &agrave; jour leurs logiciels prochainement avec le support du prochain relase stable de Mageia Linux ?</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Moi j'ai essay&eacute; l'outil Universal USB Installer 1.8.04 qui vient d'etre mis &agrave; jour pour supporter Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (la derniere version), j'ai d&eacute;di&eacute; un article de test sur un portail de consultants-professionnels ICT en Italie (article en italien) qui vous pourrez lire (qui connais la langue italienne ou avec un traducteur par le web) &agrave; cet addresse:</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div><a href="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</a></div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Si vous avez besoin d'un coup de main pour un test et/ou pour proposer un article en italien sur Mageia Linux n'hesitez pas &agrave; me contacter, je travaille occasionnellement par des magazines sp&eacute;cialis&eacute; en informatique en Italie comme (Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Edizioni Informedia-Computer Programming, etc).</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>A bientot, et tous mes meilleurs voeux pour la prochaine pr&eacute;miere release de Mageia !</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Fabio Bronzini</div>
+<div><a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a></div>
+<div>Visitez my blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>-----------------------------------</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>(ENG)</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Good morning,</div>
+<div>i like very well the possibility to use Mageia Linux on a USB pen drive, as many&nbsp; other distro-Linux, may be we could propose to the authors of freeware-Windows-utilities (like Universal USB Installer or UnetBootIn) to support Mageia Linux in the next release....?</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>I'tried the next version/release of Universal USB Installer (1.8.04) - un update especially for the new Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (released on 10.10, the same day of Ubuntu 10.10), i wrote an italian article for a professional-web portal (called Consulenti ICT Italia)&nbsp;about this utility-freeware for Windows (which can make quickly a Linux-pen-drive bootable using a common PC with Windows Vista/7/XP by an iso files of a distro-Linux, and&nbsp;not only Ubuntu Linux)</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>You'll be able to read my article (in italian), following this URL link:</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div><a href="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</a></div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>If you need an help to test the next Mageia Linux stable version (even a beta) with Universal USB Installer (or similar utility freeware for Windows systems), i'll be happy to support you.. i'm available also to wirte&nbsp;an italian article on/about Mageia Linux (the next stable release when it will be available), i'm a freelance writer for some italian ICT magazines such as Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Infomedia-Computer Programming, etc.</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>My best wishes to Mageia Linux, sincerely</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Fabio Bronzini</div>
+<div><a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a></div>
+<div>Visit my blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>-----------------------------</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>(IT)</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Buongiorno,</div>
+<div>trovo interessante la possibilit&agrave; di poter provare o utilizzare regolarmente Mageia Linux con una chiavetta USB (come la maggior parte delle distribuzioni Linux tra le pi&ugrave; diffuse), perch&eacute; non proporre ai produttori di alcune utility freeware per Windows 32 bit (come Universal USB Installer o UnetBootin giusto per dare un esempio) di aggiornare i propri software con la prossima versione stable di Mageia Linux ?</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Io ho provato l'utility Universal USB Installer 1.8.04 che &egrave; stata aggiornata per&nbsp;supportare il nuovo Ubuntu Linux 10.10&nbsp;(l'ultima versione), ho dedicato un articolo di test del prodotto su un portale dedicato ai consulenti e professionisti ICT italiani (l'articolo &egrave; in italiano), che potrete lire (chi conosce la lingua italiana o usando un traduttore via werb), leggibile a questo indirizzo:</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div><a href="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</a></div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Se avete bisogno per un test e/o per proporre un articolo in italiano su Mageia Linux, non esitate a contattarmi, lavoro occasionalmente come collaboratore di alcune riviste e portali web in Italia del settore IT, come ad esempio Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Edizioni Infomedia-Computer Programming, etc.</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>A presto e i miei migliori auguri per la nuova distro Mageia Linux.</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Cordialmente</div>
+<div>&nbsp;</div>
+<div>Fabio Bronzini</div>
+<div><a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a></div>
+<div>Visitate il mio blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com</div>
+<div><span style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: x-small;">------------------------------<br /></span><!-- end tln_sanitized html --></div><br><div><font face=Verdana,Arial size=2>----<br>
+ Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato?  <a href="http://www.email.it/cgi-bin/start?sid=3" 
+ target="_blank" >GRATIS solo con Email.it</a> <br>
+ <br>
+ Sponsor:<br>
+ Prova subito Emailpaghe, e' in prova gratuita sino al 31 dicembre 2010<br>
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+
+
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>I know that the simplest method is to format the system&nbsp;partition and install Mageia. But it's not a good idea since Mandriva Linux Free is used as a server system. So, is it possible to upgrade the installed packages and settings of Mandriva to the ones of Mageia? Will Mageia have an edition as Mandriva Linux Free?
+<div><br>
+</div>
+
+<div>Best regards,</div>
+
+<div>Yike</div>
+</font>
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+<font color='black' size='2' face='Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif'>I know that the simplest method is to format the system&nbsp;partition and install Mageia. But it's not a good idea since Mandriva Linux Free is used as a server system. So, is it possible to upgrade the installed packages and settings of Mandriva to the ones of Mageia? Will Mageia have an edition as Mandriva Linux Free?
+<div><br>
+</div>
+
+<div>Best regards,</div>
+
+<div>Yike</div>
+</font>
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+						<span class="meta-prep meta-prep-author">Posted on</span> <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=54" title="1:25 am" rel="bookmark"><span class="entry-date">October 2, 2010</span></a> <span class="meta-sep">by</span> <span class="author vcard"><a class="url fn n" href="http://blog.mageia.org/?author=2" title="View all posts by ennael">ennael</a></span>					</div><!-- .entry-meta -->
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+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Considerando todas as
+propostas e contribuições que recebemos até agora, parece que Mageia
+tem potencial para ser um grande sucesso! Para aqueles que estão
+querendo saber o que está acontecendo agora, aqui estão algumas
+notícias sobre vários assuntos:</p>
+</div>
+<div>
+<ul>
+
+<li>A fim de responder às principais perguntas sobre o projeto mageia, um <span><a href="http://mageia.org/pt-br/faq/">FAQ</a></span>
+já está disponível no site. Sinta-se livre para comentar e pedir
+mais&nbsp; perguntas se você acha que alguns assuntos estão em
+falta.&nbsp;&nbsp;<span></span></li>
+
+<li>A associação mageia vai ser registrada na segunda-feira, com
+uma&nbsp;publicação oficial em cerca de um mês (depois revisto pela
+administração), graças à Severina e RTP.&nbsp; 
+    <p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"> </p>
+</li>
+  <li>Um Manifesto Mageia está em
+andamento. Nós fornecemos uma lista de itens para ajudar Lauder Graham
+e alguns caras de marketing &amp; comunicação para trabalhar em um primeiro esboço.
+  </li>
+
+<li>Uma equipe sysadmin foi criada por Nicolas (boklm), para começar a trabalhar na nova infra-estrutura.</li>
+<li>Para a infra-estrutura de
+hardware, recebemos propostas para servidores e hospedagem. Agora temos
+o hardware para ser capaz de configurar a construção&nbsp;de sistema (build
+system)) e de acolhimento dos principais serviços. Já começamos a
+instalação de uma máquina virtual oferecida por gandi.net que vamos
+usar em breve para
+hospedar os sites e o blog. Em relação à hospedagem dos outros
+servidores, nós temos uma proposta de um ano e já estão trabalhando em
+uma solução de longo prazo. 
+
+
+    
+</li>
+<li>Misc está trabalhando em um planejamento para a implantação do sistema
+de compilação (aproximadamente 4/5, dias a partir do zero, sem a
+instalação do servidor, se tudo correr bem)</li>
+<li>Olivier (Nanar) deve anunciar em breve alguns planos para os espelhos e
+uma aplicação web para cuidar disto. Nós já temos muitas propostas para
+os espelhos locais para hospedar os pacotes e ISOs Mageia. Mas ainda
+estamos procurando&nbsp; espelhos Tier1.</li>
+<li>Buchan está trabalhando na parte da infra-estrutura LDAP.</li>
+<li>Mageia tem sido contactada por vários jornais, podcasts, webTV, rádio
+web etc ..., que tomou muito tempo. Você vai ouvir falar Mageia em
+breve :)<span> <img src="Mageia:%20some%20news%20about%20the%20project%20%7C%20Mageia%20Blog_arquivos/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"> </span></li>
+<li> As doações estão indo muito bem, cerca de 5.000 € e 100 doadores! Iremos publicar relatórios
+financeiros mensais para que você possa acompanhar como ele está sendo
+usado. As primeiras despesas serão com unidades de disco rígido, nomes
+de domínios e registo da marca Mageia.</li>
+<li>Você vai em breve ser capaz de comprar Mageia tee-shirts. Nós não temos
+um logotipo oficial ainda, mas não se preocupe, ainda é possível fazer
+tshirts divertidos sem um logotipo.</li>
+</ul>
+
+</div>
+<div>Brevemente neste blog, mais notícias sobre a organização geral do projeto Mageia, fique atento!</div>
+<div>Livremente</div>
+<div>Equipe Mageia<!-- .entry-content --></div>
+</div>
+											</div>
+				</div>
+					Mageia: algumas notícias sobre o projeto 
+</div></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em S�b 02 Out 2010, �s 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2010/10/2 MacXi &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Em Sex 01 Out 2010, �s 21:11:44, Andr� Machado escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; too.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks for advance</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anne,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am also sending the text of the Blog in Portuguese (Mageia: some news about the project).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">thanks</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p></body></html>
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+						<span class="meta-prep meta-prep-author">Posted on</span> <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=54" title="1:25 am" rel="bookmark"><span class="entry-date">October 2, 2010</span></a> <span class="meta-sep">by</span> <span class="author vcard"><a class="url fn n" href="http://blog.mageia.org/?author=2" title="View all posts by ennael">ennael</a></span>					</div><!-- .entry-meta -->
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+
+
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Considerando todas as
+propostas e contribuições que recebemos até agora, parece que Mageia
+tem potencial para ser um grande sucesso! Para aqueles que estão
+querendo saber o que está acontecendo agora, aqui estão algumas
+notícias sobre vários assuntos:</p>
+</div>
+<div>
+<ul>
+
+<li>A fim de responder às principais perguntas sobre o projeto mageia, um <span><a href="http://mageia.org/pt-br/faq/">FAQ</a></span>
+já está disponível no site. Sinta-se livre para comentar e pedir
+mais&nbsp; perguntas se você acha que alguns assuntos estão em
+falta.&nbsp;&nbsp;<span></span></li>
+
+<li>A associação mageia vai ser registrada na segunda-feira, com
+uma&nbsp;publicação oficial em cerca de um mês (depois revisto pela
+administração), graças à Severina e RTP.&nbsp; 
+    <p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"> </p>
+</li>
+  <li>Um Manifesto Mageia está em
+andamento. Nós fornecemos uma lista de itens para ajudar Lauder Graham
+e alguns caras de marketing &amp; comunicação para trabalhar em um primeiro esboço.
+  </li>
+
+<li>Uma equipe sysadmin foi criada por Nicolas (boklm), para começar a trabalhar na nova infra-estrutura.</li>
+<li>Para a infra-estrutura de
+hardware, recebemos propostas para servidores e hospedagem. Agora temos
+o hardware para ser capaz de configurar a construção&nbsp;de sistema (build
+system)) e de acolhimento dos principais serviços. Já começamos a
+instalação de uma máquina virtual oferecida por gandi.net que vamos
+usar em breve para
+hospedar os sites e o blog. Em relação à hospedagem dos outros
+servidores, nós temos uma proposta de um ano e já estão trabalhando em
+uma solução de longo prazo. 
+
+
+    
+</li>
+<li>Misc está trabalhando em um planejamento para a implantação do sistema
+de compilação (aproximadamente 4/5, dias a partir do zero, sem a
+instalação do servidor, se tudo correr bem)</li>
+<li>Olivier (Nanar) deve anunciar em breve alguns planos para os espelhos e
+uma aplicação web para cuidar disto. Nós já temos muitas propostas para
+os espelhos locais para hospedar os pacotes e ISOs Mageia. Mas ainda
+estamos procurando&nbsp; espelhos Tier1.</li>
+<li>Buchan está trabalhando na parte da infra-estrutura LDAP.</li>
+<li>Mageia tem sido contactada por vários jornais, podcasts, webTV, rádio
+web etc ..., que tomou muito tempo. Você vai ouvir falar Mageia em
+breve :)<span> <img src="Mageia:%20some%20news%20about%20the%20project%20%7C%20Mageia%20Blog_arquivos/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"> </span></li>
+<li> As doações estão indo muito bem, cerca de 5.000 € e 100 doadores! Iremos publicar relatórios
+financeiros mensais para que você possa acompanhar como ele está sendo
+usado. As primeiras despesas serão com unidades de disco rígido, nomes
+de domínios e registo da marca Mageia.</li>
+<li>Você vai em breve ser capaz de comprar Mageia tee-shirts. Nós não temos
+um logotipo oficial ainda, mas não se preocupe, ainda é possível fazer
+tshirts divertidos sem um logotipo.</li>
+</ul>
+
+</div>
+<div>Brevemente neste blog, mais notícias sobre a organização geral do projeto Mageia, fique atento!</div>
+<div>Livremente</div>
+<div>Equipe Mageia<!-- .entry-content --></div>
+</div>
+											</div>
+				</div>
+					Mageia: algumas notícias sobre o projeto 
+</div></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em S�b 02 Out 2010, �s 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2010/10/2 MacXi &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Em Sex 01 Out 2010, �s 21:11:44, Andr� Machado escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; too.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks for advance</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anne,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I am also sending the text of the Blog in Portuguese (Mageia: some news about the project).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">thanks</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML>
+<html dir="ltr" lang="en"><head>
+
+
+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
+
+
+
+    <meta charset="utf-8"><title>Mageia Frequently Asked Questions</title>
+    
+    <meta name="description" content="Mageia is new community-based Linux distribution.">
+    <meta name="keywords" content="mageia, linux, mandriva, free software">
+    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="Mageia%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questions_arquivos/all.css">
+    <script src="Mageia%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questions_arquivos/ga.js" async="" type="text/javascript"></script><script type="text/javascript">
+  var _gaq = _gaq || [];
+  _gaq.push(['_setAccount', 'UA-18603191-1']);
+  _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.mageia.org']);
+  _gaq.push(['_trackPageview']);
+
+  (function() {
+    var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true;
+    ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js';
+    var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s);
+  })();
+</script></head><body><br>
+<div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+        <div id="hd" role="banner">
+<h1>Mageia <span>| FAQ</span></h1>
+</div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="para faq">
+                    <h3>O que é Mageia?</h3>
+                    
+<p>
+
+Mageia é a sua nova distribuição Linux.<br>
+</p>
+
+                    
+                    
+<h3>
+Como se pronuncia Mageia?</h3>
+                    
+<p>Não há pronúncia oficial, você pode usar qualquer um que você gosta.</p>
+
+                    
+                    
+<h3>O que significa o nome "Mageia"? <br>
+</h3>
+
+                    <p>
+O termo mageia - μαγεία em grego - em português significa "magia"..</p>
+                    
+                    <h3>
+Eu sou um usuário do Mandriva Linux. O que devo fazer?&nbsp; <br>
+</h3>
+                    
+<p>Por enquanto você pode continuar usando o Mandriva Linux, pois não há
+versão do Mageia disponível ainda. Você poderá se <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-announce" hreflang="en">inscrever
+                            no mageia-announce newsletter</a> para ser informado quando a primeira versão
+do Mageia&nbsp; estará pronta para usar.<br>
+</p>
+<h3>Vou poder&nbsp; atualizar do Mandriva para o Mageia?&nbsp;</h3>
+                    <p>Sim, isso será possível.</p>
+                    
+                    <h3>Quando a primeira versão do Mageia estará disponível? <br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Tão logo quanto possível. Esperamos ter alguma versão&nbsp; alfa ou beta até o final de novembro.<br>
+
+
+</p>
+
+                    <h3>
+Qual será o codinome do lançamento da primeira versão do Mageia? <br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Isso não foi decidido ainda.</p>
+                    
+                    <h3>O urpmi, MCC, drakxtools serão parte do Mageia?</h3>
+                    <p>
+Sim, as suas ferramentas favoritas serão incluídas no Mageia.<br>
+</p>
+
+                    <h3>Onde posso apresentar minhas idéias sobre a logo? <br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Você pode enviar suas idéias sobre o logo no&nbsp; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/" hreflang="en">Mageia art group</a>.</p>
+
+                    <h3>Como eu posso contribuir com o projeto Mageia? <br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Todos os tipos de habilidades são bem-vindas. Você pode se&nbsp; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">cadastrar no wiki</a>, em qualquer equipe que melhor atender às suas
+habilidades.</p>
+
+                    <h3>
+Como posso entrar em contactar com o projeto?</h3>
+                    <p>Você pode enviar e-mail para&nbsp; mageia-contact (at) mageia (dot) org.</p>
+
+                    <h3>Como eu posso fazer doações ao projeto?<br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Você pode ir para na <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">página de doações</a>.<br>
+</p></div></div></div></div><br>
+</body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em S�b 02 Out 2010, �s 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2010/10/2 MacXi &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Em Sex 01 Out 2010, �s 21:11:44, Andr� Machado escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; too.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks for advance</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Anne,<br /><br />I'm sending attached the text of the FAQ in Portuguese, as you requested.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>thanks</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
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+                    <h3>O que é Mageia?</h3>
+                    
+<p>
+
+Mageia é a sua nova distribuição Linux.<br>
+</p>
+
+                    
+                    
+<h3>
+Como se pronuncia Mageia?</h3>
+                    
+<p>Não há pronúncia oficial, você pode usar qualquer um que você gosta.</p>
+
+                    
+                    
+<h3>O que significa o nome "Mageia"? <br>
+</h3>
+
+                    <p>
+O termo mageia - μαγεία em grego - em português significa "magia"..</p>
+                    
+                    <h3>
+Eu sou um usuário do Mandriva Linux. O que devo fazer?&nbsp; <br>
+</h3>
+                    
+<p>Por enquanto você pode continuar usando o Mandriva Linux, pois não há
+versão do Mageia disponível ainda. Você poderá se <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-announce" hreflang="en">inscrever
+                            no mageia-announce newsletter</a> para ser informado quando a primeira versão
+do Mageia&nbsp; estará pronta para usar.<br>
+</p>
+<h3>Vou poder&nbsp; atualizar do Mandriva para o Mageia?&nbsp;</h3>
+                    <p>Sim, isso será possível.</p>
+                    
+                    <h3>Quando a primeira versão do Mageia estará disponível? <br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Tão logo quanto possível. Esperamos ter alguma versão&nbsp; alfa ou beta até o final de novembro.<br>
+
+
+</p>
+
+                    <h3>
+Qual será o codinome do lançamento da primeira versão do Mageia? <br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Isso não foi decidido ainda.</p>
+                    
+                    <h3>O urpmi, MCC, drakxtools serão parte do Mageia?</h3>
+                    <p>
+Sim, as suas ferramentas favoritas serão incluídas no Mageia.<br>
+</p>
+
+                    <h3>Onde posso apresentar minhas idéias sobre a logo? <br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Você pode enviar suas idéias sobre o logo no&nbsp; <a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/" hreflang="en">Mageia art group</a>.</p>
+
+                    <h3>Como eu posso contribuir com o projeto Mageia? <br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Todos os tipos de habilidades são bem-vindas. Você pode se&nbsp; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">cadastrar no wiki</a>, em qualquer equipe que melhor atender às suas
+habilidades.</p>
+
+                    <h3>
+Como posso entrar em contactar com o projeto?</h3>
+                    <p>Você pode enviar e-mail para&nbsp; mageia-contact (at) mageia (dot) org.</p>
+
+                    <h3>Como eu posso fazer doações ao projeto?<br>
+</h3>
+                    <p>
+Você pode ir para na <a href="http://donate.mageia.org/pt-br/">página de doações</a>.<br>
+</p></div></div></div></div><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em S�b 02 Out 2010, �s 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2010/10/2 MacXi &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Em Sex 01 Out 2010, �s 21:11:44, Andr� Machado escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; too.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks for advance</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Anne,<br /><br />I'm sending attached the text of the FAQ in Portuguese, as you requested.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>thanks</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Sunday 17 Oct 2010 20:43:41 andré wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Graham Lauder a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; 2010/10/13 Marc Paré&lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; that the marketing/communications committee is working through steps</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; that lead to branding suggestions. We are almost done with the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; presenting our suggestions.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; As I wrote I do agree as well.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; overall flavour of the Mageia brand.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Indeed he did</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Indeed I did, but to create a brand, you need to identify target markets.  There could be dozens and in fact I've identified about six that I think that we could be successful in.  That does not mean we somehow automatically exclude all others, but identifying them means we can shape our brand to suit.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Right now, after discussions, our initial target market is likely to be a technical market to expand our contributor community.  This market  is completely different from the &quot;Family&quot; market that seemed to upset so many people, so the branding for these two groups is likely to be completely different.  Our work continues.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;, whenever that will be.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like, basing the procedure on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; it's like talking to a brick wall ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Excuse us if we have the same impression</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">My problem was that I am only one person, I figured that having to come back to the lists and explain myself repeatedly is not a profitable (for Mageia) use of my time.  It appears however that I'm going to have to make the effort and I apologise for my shortness.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; However, you still stubbornly hold to the view that somehow, by a piece</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of grand magic that nobody else in the business world has ever managed</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; to do, unless they are a monopoly, we can come up with something that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; suits everyone in the world of all ages.  Tell us what that secret is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; because you'll be able to sell it for millions. Usually the people who</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; say this are in reality saying &quot;Everybody in MY demographic&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Somehow you sound like you think you that Mageia can be marketed like</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cosmetics.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This isn't fantasy island.  And Linux and computers aren't gimmicks.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion, marketing is not fantasy, quite the opposite.  The reason that the successful companies are successful is because of marketing.  They do their market research, they come to conclusions which inform their marketing plan and they Brand to suit.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The reality is: We are going into a saturated market, there are hundreds</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of distros out there, the successful ones have identified their target</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; markets and branded to that market,  The major competitor works</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; effectively in a Monopolistic atmosphere while still spending $US500</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; million annually on marketing and you think they don't target markets!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Sure.  Their target market is anyone who thinks that they might want a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; computer.  Or any company that might want to sell one.  And the many</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; thousands of politicians easily swayed by campaign contributions ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (It worked in Massachusetts.)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">One of MS's advantages is they are established as a virtual monopoly.  They started off with a very tight target market, a market of one: IBM.  Then they expanded to young techie users, then educational institutions but all along their main marketing thrust was B2B.  Their idea was to create software that allowed hardware manufacturers to add value to their hardware and they expanded their market from that.  Unfortunately for us, They did things really well in a relatively new  market and as a consequence they have managed to virtually monopolise that market and so the same path is not open to us.  However we can learn from what they did and expanding from a focused market is one way of doing that.  Of course we don't have the financial resources of an MS or a CocaCola.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And don't get me started on Massachusetts.  :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We have been working on publishing the Core Values over the past week or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; so, that immediately defines a market in and of itself.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The families market suggestion was one that came to me because of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; personal experience in my business in that my most successful instances</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of selling linux have (after studying results) been in a family</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; environment where the small network support model was functioning.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Now in my market then the target would be the Mothers, in Germany,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; according to your analysis, the Fathers, in each of these markets the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; upshot of success is 2.4 users, or possibly more if you count 3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; generations (Or whatever your average family size wherever you are) and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; an instant local support network (MS's greatest strength).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The point is the suggestion was made giving due consideration to a pile</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of factors including maintaining user base, aka: Brand Loyalty (Kevin</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Roberts, of Saatchis calls  'Building Love Brands' and he often cites</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Apple as an example).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not.  Apple's</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; target is young, high disposable income, singles.  To me that's obvious</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; and I could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; ???? naturally by someone in that demographic.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hate to burst your bubble, but in Canada Apple computers biggest market</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; penetration is post-secondary students - not exactly a high income group.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It's OK my bubble is intact.  :)  Secondary students are in fact in this group, because they tend to be financed by their parents, hence &quot;disposable income&quot;.  I'm a parent, any money I give to my kids is disposed of.  ;)   Also the demographic is aspirational, so the tendency is for this younger group to act in a fashion that fits the demographic that they aspire to.   </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Make up your mind - is it a science, or an art form ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It can't be both.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You obviously haven't read Richard Dawkins,  :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;">http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063</span></a></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> Many of the greatest scientists were artists, DaVinci and Newton just off the top of my head.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We need to get on with it  and no matter what there is an absolute given:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &quot;You cannot please all of the people all of the time&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; even identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; positive alternatives will be well received.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; If Mageia restricts itself to one target market, that's not going to help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It needs to reach out in many directions, with many focuses.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It won't survive without an active contributing community, which means</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; in the near and medium term, appealing to current Mandriva users and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; contributors.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; One can *add* various targets, but to centre everything around a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; hypothetical, unproven target is suicide.  And no amount of marketing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mumble jumble will change that.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">OK a few things,  Linux in all colours is already restricted to 1.5% of the market, can't get more restricted that.  According to the latest Distrowatch stats there are 317 Linux distributions sharing that 1.5%.  Arguably around 80% is shared amongst the top 10.  There are 1.5 billion computers out there give or take, so approx. 22.5 million on linux.  Of the remaining 1.47 billion, how many do you think are in homes with families.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In 2003 according to US stats </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">(<a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-computing/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;">http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-computing/ )</span></a></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">55% of American homes (62 Million) had a computer  That has probably increased.  Homes with over $100,000 income had 95%.  Now stats say this is even higher in Germany, Korea  and so forth.  In 2002 according to OECD figures the US was ninth of OECD nations</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Of the  112 million American homes therefore, how many had young families in them?  I'm not sure, but lets say that 40% have families, That's around 45 million.  </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anyway you begin to get the picture that the &quot;family&quot; market is large and in fact in the US alone is double the size of total linux installs.  </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nothing I'm talking about is hypothetical, drive down any highway, turn on your TV, open up Google.  If you want to avoid being marketed to, switch off your computer and go bush.  The vast majority of the world is informed by marketing.  To do that a vast amount of research is carried out on a daily basis, if you're willing to pay the money you can have that research delivered to your inbox several hundred times a day from companies that do nothing else.  They prove consistently that what I'm talking about is correct</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In the years I was MD of my own company I would pay that money, not these days because I'm retired but the point is I have 18 years of history in that role and that informs what I am promoting here.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Next, You make exactly the point I am trying to get across, you add or expand.  You provide the best possible fit to a particular market and then build your brand outward from that, but start from a specific market.  However what you are advocating is what I call the subtractive method, you provide &quot;everything to all&quot; and then you take away bits to suit individual markets, AKA &quot;dumbing down&quot;.  That alienates your market, not the best policy. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">and last: Dismissing what I do as Mumble Jumble is neither accurate nor helpful.  My assertions are made based in empirical data collected over years and continue to be collected in both statistics and market demographics, that's science, the intuitive leap that addresses our marketing plan and branding to a particular market, that's art.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Of course, if you want to sell used cars ...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sales is a different beast altogether, we're talking about marketing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Steve Jobs never sold a single ipod, but by really good marketing he created a brand profile that allows the sales people to do their job. (Although having said that there is good argument to be made that in some areas Apple's marketing has sukt big time, but that's a whole new discussion :) )</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">GL</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Graham Lauder,</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Sunday 17 Oct 2010 20:43:41 andré wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Graham Lauder a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; 2010/10/13 Marc Paré&lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; that the marketing/communications committee is working through steps</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; that lead to branding suggestions. We are almost done with the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; presenting our suggestions.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; As I wrote I do agree as well.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; overall flavour of the Mageia brand.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Indeed he did</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Indeed I did, but to create a brand, you need to identify target markets.  There could be dozens and in fact I've identified about six that I think that we could be successful in.  That does not mean we somehow automatically exclude all others, but identifying them means we can shape our brand to suit.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Right now, after discussions, our initial target market is likely to be a technical market to expand our contributor community.  This market  is completely different from the &quot;Family&quot; market that seemed to upset so many people, so the branding for these two groups is likely to be completely different.  Our work continues.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;, whenever that will be.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like, basing the procedure on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; it's like talking to a brick wall ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Excuse us if we have the same impression</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">My problem was that I am only one person, I figured that having to come back to the lists and explain myself repeatedly is not a profitable (for Mageia) use of my time.  It appears however that I'm going to have to make the effort and I apologise for my shortness.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; However, you still stubbornly hold to the view that somehow, by a piece</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of grand magic that nobody else in the business world has ever managed</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; to do, unless they are a monopoly, we can come up with something that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; suits everyone in the world of all ages.  Tell us what that secret is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; because you'll be able to sell it for millions. Usually the people who</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; say this are in reality saying &quot;Everybody in MY demographic&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Somehow you sound like you think you that Mageia can be marketed like</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cosmetics.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This isn't fantasy island.  And Linux and computers aren't gimmicks.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion, marketing is not fantasy, quite the opposite.  The reason that the successful companies are successful is because of marketing.  They do their market research, they come to conclusions which inform their marketing plan and they Brand to suit.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The reality is: We are going into a saturated market, there are hundreds</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of distros out there, the successful ones have identified their target</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; markets and branded to that market,  The major competitor works</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; effectively in a Monopolistic atmosphere while still spending $US500</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; million annually on marketing and you think they don't target markets!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Sure.  Their target market is anyone who thinks that they might want a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; computer.  Or any company that might want to sell one.  And the many</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; thousands of politicians easily swayed by campaign contributions ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (It worked in Massachusetts.)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">One of MS's advantages is they are established as a virtual monopoly.  They started off with a very tight target market, a market of one: IBM.  Then they expanded to young techie users, then educational institutions but all along their main marketing thrust was B2B.  Their idea was to create software that allowed hardware manufacturers to add value to their hardware and they expanded their market from that.  Unfortunately for us, They did things really well in a relatively new  market and as a consequence they have managed to virtually monopolise that market and so the same path is not open to us.  However we can learn from what they did and expanding from a focused market is one way of doing that.  Of course we don't have the financial resources of an MS or a CocaCola.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And don't get me started on Massachusetts.  :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We have been working on publishing the Core Values over the past week or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; so, that immediately defines a market in and of itself.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The families market suggestion was one that came to me because of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; personal experience in my business in that my most successful instances</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of selling linux have (after studying results) been in a family</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; environment where the small network support model was functioning.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Now in my market then the target would be the Mothers, in Germany,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; according to your analysis, the Fathers, in each of these markets the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; upshot of success is 2.4 users, or possibly more if you count 3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; generations (Or whatever your average family size wherever you are) and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; an instant local support network (MS's greatest strength).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; The point is the suggestion was made giving due consideration to a pile</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; of factors including maintaining user base, aka: Brand Loyalty (Kevin</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Roberts, of Saatchis calls  'Building Love Brands' and he often cites</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Apple as an example).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not.  Apple's</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; target is young, high disposable income, singles.  To me that's obvious</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; and I could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; ???? naturally by someone in that demographic.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hate to burst your bubble, but in Canada Apple computers biggest market</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; penetration is post-secondary students - not exactly a high income group.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It's OK my bubble is intact.  :)  Secondary students are in fact in this group, because they tend to be financed by their parents, hence &quot;disposable income&quot;.  I'm a parent, any money I give to my kids is disposed of.  ;)   Also the demographic is aspirational, so the tendency is for this younger group to act in a fashion that fits the demographic that they aspire to.   </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Make up your mind - is it a science, or an art form ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It can't be both.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You obviously haven't read Richard Dawkins,  :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;">http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063</span></a></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> Many of the greatest scientists were artists, DaVinci and Newton just off the top of my head.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We need to get on with it  and no matter what there is an absolute given:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &quot;You cannot please all of the people all of the time&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; even identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; positive alternatives will be well received.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; If Mageia restricts itself to one target market, that's not going to help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It needs to reach out in many directions, with many focuses.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It won't survive without an active contributing community, which means</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; in the near and medium term, appealing to current Mandriva users and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; contributors.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; One can *add* various targets, but to centre everything around a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; hypothetical, unproven target is suicide.  And no amount of marketing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mumble jumble will change that.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">OK a few things,  Linux in all colours is already restricted to 1.5% of the market, can't get more restricted that.  According to the latest Distrowatch stats there are 317 Linux distributions sharing that 1.5%.  Arguably around 80% is shared amongst the top 10.  There are 1.5 billion computers out there give or take, so approx. 22.5 million on linux.  Of the remaining 1.47 billion, how many do you think are in homes with families.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In 2003 according to US stats </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">(<a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-computing/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;">http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-computing/ )</span></a></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">55% of American homes (62 Million) had a computer  That has probably increased.  Homes with over $100,000 income had 95%.  Now stats say this is even higher in Germany, Korea  and so forth.  In 2002 according to OECD figures the US was ninth of OECD nations</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Of the  112 million American homes therefore, how many had young families in them?  I'm not sure, but lets say that 40% have families, That's around 45 million.  </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anyway you begin to get the picture that the &quot;family&quot; market is large and in fact in the US alone is double the size of total linux installs.  </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nothing I'm talking about is hypothetical, drive down any highway, turn on your TV, open up Google.  If you want to avoid being marketed to, switch off your computer and go bush.  The vast majority of the world is informed by marketing.  To do that a vast amount of research is carried out on a daily basis, if you're willing to pay the money you can have that research delivered to your inbox several hundred times a day from companies that do nothing else.  They prove consistently that what I'm talking about is correct</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In the years I was MD of my own company I would pay that money, not these days because I'm retired but the point is I have 18 years of history in that role and that informs what I am promoting here.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Next, You make exactly the point I am trying to get across, you add or expand.  You provide the best possible fit to a particular market and then build your brand outward from that, but start from a specific market.  However what you are advocating is what I call the subtractive method, you provide &quot;everything to all&quot; and then you take away bits to suit individual markets, AKA &quot;dumbing down&quot;.  That alienates your market, not the best policy. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">and last: Dismissing what I do as Mumble Jumble is neither accurate nor helpful.  My assertions are made based in empirical data collected over years and continue to be collected in both statistics and market demographics, that's science, the intuitive leap that addresses our marketing plan and branding to a particular market, that's art.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Of course, if you want to sell used cars ...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sales is a different beast altogether, we're talking about marketing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Steve Jobs never sold a single ipod, but by really good marketing he created a brand profile that allows the sales people to do their job. (Although having said that there is good argument to be made that in some areas Apple's marketing has sukt big time, but that's a whole new discussion :) )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">GL</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
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+Some related questions, <br><br>Is there any interest/talk on, a supplemental� one-click install like web based system?<br><br>What about an option for installing self contained packages like in macos or klik://.<br><br>On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Bruno Mah� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bruno@bmahe.net">bruno@bmahe.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Oliver Burger<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; OBS is something different. OBS uses virtual machines of the distro it builds<br>
+&gt;&gt; packages for and so builds more or less &quot;normal&quot; packages for the distro.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; �I&#39;m having trouble finding a download link for a personal install of<br>
+&gt; OBS. They claim to offer it; I just can&#39;t seem to locate it. Anybody<br>
+&gt; have it? Thanks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>These links may help you:<br>
+<a href="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance" target="_blank">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance</a><br>
+<a href="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation" target="_blank">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation</a><br>
+<a href="http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service" target="_blank">http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service</a><br>
+<br>
+All the code is located on gitorious here:<br>
+<a href="http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service" target="_blank">http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service</a><br>
+<br>
+They also do build packages using their own instance of OBS:<br>
+<a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools" target="_blank">https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</a><br>
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+Bruno<br>
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+Some related questions, <br><br>Is there any interest/talk on, a supplemental� one-click install like web based system?<br><br>What about an option for installing self contained packages like in macos or klik://.<br><br>On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Bruno Mah� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bruno@bmahe.net">bruno@bmahe.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
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+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Oliver Burger<br>
+&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; OBS is something different. OBS uses virtual machines of the distro it builds<br>
+&gt;&gt; packages for and so builds more or less &quot;normal&quot; packages for the distro.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; �I&#39;m having trouble finding a download link for a personal install of<br>
+&gt; OBS. They claim to offer it; I just can&#39;t seem to locate it. Anybody<br>
+&gt; have it? Thanks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>These links may help you:<br>
+<a href="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance" target="_blank">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance</a><br>
+<a href="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation" target="_blank">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation</a><br>
+<a href="http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service" target="_blank">http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service</a><br>
+<br>
+All the code is located on gitorious here:<br>
+<a href="http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service" target="_blank">http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service</a><br>
+<br>
+They also do build packages using their own instance of OBS:<br>
+<a href="https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools" target="_blank">https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</a><br>
+<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+Bruno<br>
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+<br>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Apologies I had to truncate this a bit, it got booted to moderation cos it was to big!  :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Sunday 17 Oct 2010 20:43:41 andré wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Graham Lauder a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; 2010/10/13 Marc Paré&lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; overall flavour of the Mageia brand.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Indeed he did</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Indeed I did, but to create a brand, you need to identify target markets.  There could be dozens and in fact I've identified about six that I think that we could be successful in.  That does not mean we somehow automatically exclude all others, but identifying them means we can shape our brand to suit.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Right now, after discussions, our initial target market is likely to be a technical market to expand our contributor community.  This market  is completely different from the &quot;Family&quot; market that seemed to upset so many people, so the branding for these two groups is likely to be completely different.  Our work continues.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; it's like talking to a brick wall ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Excuse us if we have the same impression</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">My problem was that I am only one person, I figured that having to come back to the lists and explain myself repeatedly is not a profitable (for Mageia) use of my time.  It appears however that I'm going to have to make the effort and I apologise for my shortness.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[....] </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Somehow you sound like you think you that Mageia can be marketed like</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cosmetics.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This isn't fantasy island.  And Linux and computers aren't gimmicks.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion, marketing is not fantasy, quite the opposite.  The reason that the successful companies are successful is because of marketing.  They do their market research, they come to conclusions which inform their marketing plan and they Brand to suit.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[.....]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Sure.  Their target market is anyone who thinks that they might want a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; computer.  Or any company that might want to sell one.  And the many</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; thousands of politicians easily swayed by campaign contributions ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (It worked in Massachusetts.)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">One of MS's advantages is they are established as a virtual monopoly.  They started off with a very tight target market, a market of one: IBM.  Then they expanded to young techie users, then educational institutions but all along their main marketing thrust was B2B.  Their idea was to create software that allowed hardware manufacturers to add value to their hardware and they expanded their market from that.  Unfortunately for us, They did things really well in a relatively new  market and as a consequence they have managed to virtually monopolise that market and so the same path is not open to us.  However we can learn from what they did and expanding from a focused market is one way of doing that.  Of course we don't have the financial resources of an MS or a CocaCola.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And don't get me started on Massachusetts.  :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[....]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not.  Apple's</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; target is young, high disposable income, singles.  To me that's obvious</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; and I could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; ???? naturally by someone in that demographic.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hate to burst your bubble, but in Canada Apple computers biggest market</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; penetration is post-secondary students - not exactly a high income group.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It's OK my bubble is intact.  :)  Secondary students are in fact in this group, because they tend to be financed by their parents, hence &quot;disposable income&quot;.  I'm a parent, any money I give to my kids is disposed of.  ;)   Also the demographic is aspirational, so the tendency is for this younger group to act in a fashion that fits the demographic that they aspire to.   </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Make up your mind - is it a science, or an art form ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It can't be both.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You obviously haven't read Richard Dawkins,  :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;">http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063</span></a></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> Many of the greatest scientists were artists, DaVinci and Newton just off the top of my head.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[....]</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; even identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; positive alternatives will be well received.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; If Mageia restricts itself to one target market, that's not going to help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It needs to reach out in many directions, with many focuses.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It won't survive without an active contributing community, which means</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; in the near and medium term, appealing to current Mandriva users and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; contributors.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; One can *add* various targets, but to centre everything around a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; hypothetical, unproven target is suicide.  And no amount of marketing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mumble jumble will change that.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">OK a few things,  Linux in all colours is already restricted to 1.5% of the market, can't get more restricted that.  According to the latest Distrowatch stats there are 317 Linux distributions sharing that 1.5%.  Arguably around 80% is shared amongst the top 10.  There are 1.5 billion computers out there give or take, so approx. 22.5 million on linux.  Of the remaining 1.47 billion, how many do you think are in homes with families.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In 2003 according to US stats </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">(<a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-computing/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;">http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-computing/ )</span></a></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">55% of American homes (62 Million) had a computer  That has probably increased.  Homes with over $100,000 income had 95%.  Now stats say this is even higher in Germany, Korea  and so forth.  In 2002 according to OECD figures the US was ninth of OECD nations</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Of the  112 million American homes therefore, how many had young families in them?  I'm not sure, but lets say that 40% have families, That's around 45 million.  </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anyway you begin to get the picture that the &quot;family&quot; market is large and in fact in the US alone is double the size of total linux installs.  </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nothing I'm talking about is hypothetical, drive down any highway, turn on your TV, open up Google.  If you want to avoid being marketed to, switch off your computer and go bush.  The vast majority of the world is informed by marketing.  To do that a vast amount of research is carried out on a daily basis, if you're willing to pay the money you can have that research delivered to your inbox several hundred times a day from companies that do nothing else.  They prove consistently that what I'm talking about is correct</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In the years I was MD of my own company I would pay that money, not these days because I'm retired but the point is I have 18 years of history in that role and that informs what I am promoting here.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Next, You make exactly the point I am trying to get across, you add or expand.  You provide the best possible fit to a particular market and then build your brand outward from that, but start from a specific market.  However what you are advocating is what I call the subtractive method, you provide &quot;everything to all&quot; and then you take away bits to suit individual markets, AKA &quot;dumbing down&quot;.  That alienates your market, not the best policy. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">and last: Dismissing what I do as Mumble Jumble is neither accurate nor helpful.  My assertions are made based in empirical data collected over years and continue to be collected in both statistics and market demographics, that's science, the intuitive leap that addresses our marketing plan and branding to a particular market, that's art.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Of course, if you want to sell used cars ...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sales is a different beast altogether, we're talking about marketing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Steve Jobs never sold a single ipod, but by really good marketing he created a brand profile that allows the sales people to do their job. (Although having said that there is good argument to be made that in some areas Apple's marketing has sukt big time, but that's a whole new discussion :) )</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">GL</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Graham Lauder,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Apologies I had to truncate this a bit, it got booted to moderation cos it was to big!  :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Sunday 17 Oct 2010 20:43:41 andré wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Graham Lauder a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; 2010/10/13 Marc Paré&lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; overall flavour of the Mageia brand.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Indeed he did</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Indeed I did, but to create a brand, you need to identify target markets.  There could be dozens and in fact I've identified about six that I think that we could be successful in.  That does not mean we somehow automatically exclude all others, but identifying them means we can shape our brand to suit.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Right now, after discussions, our initial target market is likely to be a technical market to expand our contributor community.  This market  is completely different from the &quot;Family&quot; market that seemed to upset so many people, so the branding for these two groups is likely to be completely different.  Our work continues.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; it's like talking to a brick wall ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Excuse us if we have the same impression</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">My problem was that I am only one person, I figured that having to come back to the lists and explain myself repeatedly is not a profitable (for Mageia) use of my time.  It appears however that I'm going to have to make the effort and I apologise for my shortness.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[....] </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Somehow you sound like you think you that Mageia can be marketed like</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cosmetics.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This isn't fantasy island.  And Linux and computers aren't gimmicks.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion, marketing is not fantasy, quite the opposite.  The reason that the successful companies are successful is because of marketing.  They do their market research, they come to conclusions which inform their marketing plan and they Brand to suit.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[.....]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Sure.  Their target market is anyone who thinks that they might want a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; computer.  Or any company that might want to sell one.  And the many</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; thousands of politicians easily swayed by campaign contributions ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (It worked in Massachusetts.)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">One of MS's advantages is they are established as a virtual monopoly.  They started off with a very tight target market, a market of one: IBM.  Then they expanded to young techie users, then educational institutions but all along their main marketing thrust was B2B.  Their idea was to create software that allowed hardware manufacturers to add value to their hardware and they expanded their market from that.  Unfortunately for us, They did things really well in a relatively new  market and as a consequence they have managed to virtually monopolise that market and so the same path is not open to us.  However we can learn from what they did and expanding from a focused market is one way of doing that.  Of course we don't have the financial resources of an MS or a CocaCola.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">And don't get me started on Massachusetts.  :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[....]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not.  Apple's</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; target is young, high disposable income, singles.  To me that's obvious</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; and I could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; ???? naturally by someone in that demographic.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hate to burst your bubble, but in Canada Apple computers biggest market</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; penetration is post-secondary students - not exactly a high income group.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It's OK my bubble is intact.  :)  Secondary students are in fact in this group, because they tend to be financed by their parents, hence &quot;disposable income&quot;.  I'm a parent, any money I give to my kids is disposed of.  ;)   Also the demographic is aspirational, so the tendency is for this younger group to act in a fashion that fits the demographic that they aspire to.   </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Make up your mind - is it a science, or an art form ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It can't be both.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You obviously haven't read Richard Dawkins,  :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;">http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063</span></a></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> Many of the greatest scientists were artists, DaVinci and Newton just off the top of my head.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[....]</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; even identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; positive alternatives will be well received.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; If Mageia restricts itself to one target market, that's not going to help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It needs to reach out in many directions, with many focuses.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It won't survive without an active contributing community, which means</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; in the near and medium term, appealing to current Mandriva users and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; contributors.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; One can *add* various targets, but to centre everything around a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; hypothetical, unproven target is suicide.  And no amount of marketing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mumble jumble will change that.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">OK a few things,  Linux in all colours is already restricted to 1.5% of the market, can't get more restricted that.  According to the latest Distrowatch stats there are 317 Linux distributions sharing that 1.5%.  Arguably around 80% is shared amongst the top 10.  There are 1.5 billion computers out there give or take, so approx. 22.5 million on linux.  Of the remaining 1.47 billion, how many do you think are in homes with families.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In 2003 according to US stats </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">(<a href="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-computing/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;">http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-computing/ )</span></a></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; text-decoration: underline; color:#296fbe;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">55% of American homes (62 Million) had a computer  That has probably increased.  Homes with over $100,000 income had 95%.  Now stats say this is even higher in Germany, Korea  and so forth.  In 2002 according to OECD figures the US was ninth of OECD nations</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Of the  112 million American homes therefore, how many had young families in them?  I'm not sure, but lets say that 40% have families, That's around 45 million.  </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Anyway you begin to get the picture that the &quot;family&quot; market is large and in fact in the US alone is double the size of total linux installs.  </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nothing I'm talking about is hypothetical, drive down any highway, turn on your TV, open up Google.  If you want to avoid being marketed to, switch off your computer and go bush.  The vast majority of the world is informed by marketing.  To do that a vast amount of research is carried out on a daily basis, if you're willing to pay the money you can have that research delivered to your inbox several hundred times a day from companies that do nothing else.  They prove consistently that what I'm talking about is correct</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In the years I was MD of my own company I would pay that money, not these days because I'm retired but the point is I have 18 years of history in that role and that informs what I am promoting here.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Next, You make exactly the point I am trying to get across, you add or expand.  You provide the best possible fit to a particular market and then build your brand outward from that, but start from a specific market.  However what you are advocating is what I call the subtractive method, you provide &quot;everything to all&quot; and then you take away bits to suit individual markets, AKA &quot;dumbing down&quot;.  That alienates your market, not the best policy. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">and last: Dismissing what I do as Mumble Jumble is neither accurate nor helpful.  My assertions are made based in empirical data collected over years and continue to be collected in both statistics and market demographics, that's science, the intuitive leap that addresses our marketing plan and branding to a particular market, that's art.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Of course, if you want to sell used cars ...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sales is a different beast altogether, we're talking about marketing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Steve Jobs never sold a single ipod, but by really good marketing he created a brand profile that allows the sales people to do their job. (Although having said that there is good argument to be made that in some areas Apple's marketing has sukt big time, but that's a whole new discussion :) )</p>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">Re,</div><div class="gmail_quote">010/10/17 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2010/10/17 Olivier Blin &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; It depends if <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> wants live USB (with persistent storage) to be<br>
+&gt; part of the official releases available &quot;for free&quot;<br>
+</div>It&#39;s easily done from an existing system. We did that for Mandriva<br>
+2010.1 and published a howto as well, so users who can read can do it<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>do not hesitate to �publish URL, it&#39;s easier than searching for it :-)</div><div>could have been added to <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/draklive">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/draklive</a> too as alternative or enhancements :)</div>
+</div><br><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">Re,</div><div class="gmail_quote">010/10/17 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2010/10/17 Olivier Blin &lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@blino.org">mageia@blino.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; It depends if <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> wants live USB (with persistent storage) to be<br>
+&gt; part of the official releases available &quot;for free&quot;<br>
+</div>It&#39;s easily done from an existing system. We did that for Mandriva<br>
+2010.1 and published a howto as well, so users who can read can do it<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>do not hesitate to �publish URL, it&#39;s easier than searching for it :-)</div><div>could have been added to <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/draklive">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/draklive</a> too as alternative or enhancements :)</div>
+</div><br><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+Some remarks about the Mageia Code of Conduct proposal<br><br><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct</a><br><br>I think the part<br><p>
+
+&quot;Our community is made up of a number of individuals and organizations which can roughly be divided into two groups:
+
+</p>
+<ul><li class="level1"><div class="li"> Contributors, or those who add value to the project through improving distribution and any project from Mageia</div>
+</li><li class="level1"><div class="li"> Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as users of Mageia&quot;</div>
+</li></ul>should be reformulated.<br><br>There have been several proposals in the ML in favor of making it easyer for users to participate more actively in the Mageia Project. The aim is to lower the threshold for active participation : help in the ML&#39;s or Forums, help to report bugs, ...<br>
+<br>So I think that should be reflected in this document by avoiding to suggest that one must be in the one or the other category. We should emphasise that there is a continuum of involvement, not a jump into another status.<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+Some remarks about the Mageia Code of Conduct proposal<br><br><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct</a><br><br>I think the part<br><p>
+
+&quot;Our community is made up of a number of individuals and organizations which can roughly be divided into two groups:
+
+</p>
+<ul><li class="level1"><div class="li"> Contributors, or those who add value to the project through improving distribution and any project from Mageia</div>
+</li><li class="level1"><div class="li"> Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as users of Mageia&quot;</div>
+</li></ul>should be reformulated.<br><br>There have been several proposals in the ML in favor of making it easyer for users to participate more actively in the Mageia Project. The aim is to lower the threshold for active participation : help in the ML&#39;s or Forums, help to report bugs, ...<br>
+<br>So I think that should be reflected in this document by avoiding to suggest that one must be in the one or the other category. We should emphasise that there is a continuum of involvement, not a jump into another status.<br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+Right, but for thoose who doesn&#39;t need or want to read tons &amp; tons of unimportant info.<br><br>
+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/20 Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">&gt; <a href="mailto:bounces@mageia.org">bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de Tux99<br>&gt; Envoyé : 20 octobre 2010 09:45<br>
+&gt; À : Mageia general discussions<br>&gt; Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions<br>
+<div>
+<div></div>
+<div class="h5">&gt;<br>&gt; On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer GrundstrÃ¶m wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; For newbies I think it&#39;s a great idea to make the installer easy to<br>&gt; understand.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Therefor I&#39;d like to suggest that the installer would function like a<br>
+&gt; &gt; questionaire-form.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; For instance:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Do you intend to install Mageia on a:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; 1. Desktop.<br>&gt; &gt; 2. Laptop.<br>&gt; &gt; 3. Mobile<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; What arch does your CPU have?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; 1. i586.<br>&gt; &gt; 2. x86_64<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Huh? A newbie has no idea what &#39;CPU&#39; means and even less what i586 or<br>
+&gt; x86_64 are....<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Heck, even I don&#39;t know what you mean by Mobile in the first<br>&gt; question...<br><br></div></div>Hi,<br><br>Newbie in linux doesn&#39;t mean that the person doesn&#39;t know some basics of<br>
+computers. Do not pretend that all newbies have never used a computer with<br>another system.<br><font color="#888888"><br><br>Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO<br><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</a><br>
+<br><br><br></font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Right, but for thoose who doesn&#39;t need or want to read tons &amp; tons of unimportant info.<br><br>
+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/20 Dubeau, Patrick <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org">Patrick.Dubeau@ccq.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">&gt; <a href="mailto:bounces@mageia.org">bounces@mageia.org</a>] De la part de Tux99<br>&gt; Envoyé : 20 octobre 2010 09:45<br>
+&gt; À : Mageia general discussions<br>&gt; Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions<br>
+<div>
+<div></div>
+<div class="h5">&gt;<br>&gt; On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer GrundstrÃ¶m wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; &gt; For newbies I think it&#39;s a great idea to make the installer easy to<br>&gt; understand.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Therefor I&#39;d like to suggest that the installer would function like a<br>
+&gt; &gt; questionaire-form.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; For instance:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Do you intend to install Mageia on a:<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; 1. Desktop.<br>&gt; &gt; 2. Laptop.<br>&gt; &gt; 3. Mobile<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; What arch does your CPU have?<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; 1. i586.<br>&gt; &gt; 2. x86_64<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Huh? A newbie has no idea what &#39;CPU&#39; means and even less what i586 or<br>
+&gt; x86_64 are....<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Heck, even I don&#39;t know what you mean by Mobile in the first<br>&gt; question...<br><br></div></div>Hi,<br><br>Newbie in linux doesn&#39;t mean that the person doesn&#39;t know some basics of<br>
+computers. Do not pretend that all newbies have never used a computer with<br>another system.<br><font color="#888888"><br><br>Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO<br><a href="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/" target="_blank">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</a><br>
+<br><br><br></font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<h2>Mageia é Software Social</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>Nós,
+como comunidade, valorizamos os nossos usuários. Estaremos sempre em
+contato com nossa base de usuários pois eles são tão parte da
+comunidade como são os criadores e organizadores.</li>
+  <li>Entendemos que o nosso patrimônio mais valioso são as pessoas e a
+comunidade.</li>
+  <li>Nós seremos sempre uma distribuição da comunidade, valorizando
+todas as contribuições da comunidade.</li>
+  <li>Seremos uma distribuição abrangente, assegurando que toda a
+comunidade possa fazer sua voz ser ouvida.</li>
+  <li>Nós teremos em alta estima a amizade e promoveremos a interação
+social entre as pessoas.</li>
+  <li>Valorizamos a integridade, a comunidade, a confiança, sempre nos
+basearemos nos mais altos padrões éticos.</li>
+  <li>Acima de tudo, vamos nos divertir e apreciar muito o trabalho no projeto&nbsp; :-)</li>
+  <li>Nos esforçamos para manter o bom espírito entre a nossa comunidade, bem como com a ampla comunidade de código aberto.</li>
+  <li>Vamos ajudar e apoiar uns aos outros. Quando algo não estiver
+certo, vamos tomar as medidas adequadas para encontrar a melhor solução
+e implementá-la.</li>
+</ul>
+<h2>Mageia é Poderosa Tecnologia <br>
+</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>Como um sistema operacional de software livre, inovaremos
+constantemente para permanecermos como uma opção de tecnologia da
+informação de qualidade superior.</li>
+  <li>Buscaremos estar atualizados com as últimas tendência do software
+de software livre, mas também escolher sabiamente para manter o equilíbrio entre a
+modernização e a confiabilidade em nossas versões.</li>
+  <li>Manteremos a vitalidade da nossa comunidade, sempre nos
+esforçando para liderar o caminho para o desenvolvimento colaborativo.</li>
+  <li>Nós incentivaremos nossos usuários a&nbsp; ser o melhor que puderem
+em seus computadores.</li>
+  <li>Faremos
+o possível para facilitar o uso, mas também oferecer uma gama holística
+e abrangente de inovações aos usuários novos e aos experientes.</li>
+</ul>
+<h2>Mageia é Conhecimento</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>O software é uma parte integrante do nosso quotidiano, em quase
+todas as interações que temos em casa e ao redor do mundo, e seu
+núcleo é o código de programação. Nós nos esforçaremos para
+entender isso e como isso afeta nossas vidas diárias.</li>
+  <li>Vamos encorajar aos nossos usuários a desmistificar as
+tecnologias avançadas.</li>
+  <li>Nós reconhecemos que nós somos humanos. As falhas e as
+deficiências ocorrem e as mudanças de contexto. Vamos levar isso em
+conta em nosso software, em nossas vidas e em nossa busca da
+felicidade. Vamos evoluir.</li>
+  <li>Acreditamos que não há nada tão bom como entender o software que
+você usa no seu cotidiano. Portanto, iremos abertamente educar as
+pessoas sobre Software Livre, sobre nossa Comunidade e sobre nosso Sistema
+Operacional.</li>
+</ul>
+<h2>Mageia é Qualidade</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>Mageia será baseada na boa qualidade e nos requisitos de
+estabilidade.</li>
+  <li>Mageia será compatível com os padrões de código aberto.</li>
+  <li>Mageia sempre aderirá aos padrões elevados de segurança e
+tecnologia de privacidade para proteger os dados de nossos usuários.</li>
+</ul>
+<h2>Mageia significa Relações Abertas</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>Nós iremos garantir o futuro da distribuição através desta
+comunidade.</li>
+  <li>Cooperaremos com outras distribuições de software de livre e com os
+desenvolvedores do núcleo e das bases&nbsp; do sistema, contribuindo
+com o código.</li>
+  <li>Trabalharemos em colaboração com outros projetos de código aberto.</li>
+  <li>Nós daremos boas-vindas a qualquer empresa comercial, como parte
+da nossa comunidade.</li>
+  <li>Mageia sempre será baseada em software livre. No entanto, também
+estamos abertos a contribuições de softwares que não são, a fim de
+proporcionar aos nossos usuários as alternativas que atendam suas
+diferentes necessidades e expectativas.</li>
+  <li>Mageia será sempre um esforço coletivo, internacional e
+organizado, representativo de nossa comunidade pluralista.<br>
+  </li>
+</ul>
+</div>
+</div>
+</div>
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+</div>
+<div id="bd" role="main">
+<div class="yui-g">
+<div class="para faq">
+<h2>Mageia é Software Social</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>Nós,
+como comunidade, valorizamos os nossos usuários. Estaremos sempre em
+contato com nossa base de usuários pois eles são tão parte da
+comunidade como são os criadores e organizadores.</li>
+  <li>Entendemos que o nosso patrimônio mais valioso são as pessoas e a
+comunidade.</li>
+  <li>Nós seremos sempre uma distribuição da comunidade, valorizando
+todas as contribuições da comunidade.</li>
+  <li>Seremos uma distribuição abrangente, assegurando que toda a
+comunidade possa fazer sua voz ser ouvida.</li>
+  <li>Nós teremos em alta estima a amizade e promoveremos a interação
+social entre as pessoas.</li>
+  <li>Valorizamos a integridade, a comunidade, a confiança, sempre nos
+basearemos nos mais altos padrões éticos.</li>
+  <li>Acima de tudo, vamos nos divertir e apreciar muito o trabalho no projeto&nbsp; :-)</li>
+  <li>Nos esforçamos para manter o bom espírito entre a nossa comunidade, bem como com a ampla comunidade de código aberto.</li>
+  <li>Vamos ajudar e apoiar uns aos outros. Quando algo não estiver
+certo, vamos tomar as medidas adequadas para encontrar a melhor solução
+e implementá-la.</li>
+</ul>
+<h2>Mageia é Poderosa Tecnologia <br>
+</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>Como um sistema operacional de software livre, inovaremos
+constantemente para permanecermos como uma opção de tecnologia da
+informação de qualidade superior.</li>
+  <li>Buscaremos estar atualizados com as últimas tendência do software
+de software livre, mas também escolher sabiamente para manter o equilíbrio entre a
+modernização e a confiabilidade em nossas versões.</li>
+  <li>Manteremos a vitalidade da nossa comunidade, sempre nos
+esforçando para liderar o caminho para o desenvolvimento colaborativo.</li>
+  <li>Nós incentivaremos nossos usuários a&nbsp; ser o melhor que puderem
+em seus computadores.</li>
+  <li>Faremos
+o possível para facilitar o uso, mas também oferecer uma gama holística
+e abrangente de inovações aos usuários novos e aos experientes.</li>
+</ul>
+<h2>Mageia é Conhecimento</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>O software é uma parte integrante do nosso quotidiano, em quase
+todas as interações que temos em casa e ao redor do mundo, e seu
+núcleo é o código de programação. Nós nos esforçaremos para
+entender isso e como isso afeta nossas vidas diárias.</li>
+  <li>Vamos encorajar aos nossos usuários a desmistificar as
+tecnologias avançadas.</li>
+  <li>Nós reconhecemos que nós somos humanos. As falhas e as
+deficiências ocorrem e as mudanças de contexto. Vamos levar isso em
+conta em nosso software, em nossas vidas e em nossa busca da
+felicidade. Vamos evoluir.</li>
+  <li>Acreditamos que não há nada tão bom como entender o software que
+você usa no seu cotidiano. Portanto, iremos abertamente educar as
+pessoas sobre Software Livre, sobre nossa Comunidade e sobre nosso Sistema
+Operacional.</li>
+</ul>
+<h2>Mageia é Qualidade</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>Mageia será baseada na boa qualidade e nos requisitos de
+estabilidade.</li>
+  <li>Mageia será compatível com os padrões de código aberto.</li>
+  <li>Mageia sempre aderirá aos padrões elevados de segurança e
+tecnologia de privacidade para proteger os dados de nossos usuários.</li>
+</ul>
+<h2>Mageia significa Relações Abertas</h2>
+<ul>
+  <li>Nós iremos garantir o futuro da distribuição através desta
+comunidade.</li>
+  <li>Cooperaremos com outras distribuições de software de livre e com os
+desenvolvedores do núcleo e das bases&nbsp; do sistema, contribuindo
+com o código.</li>
+  <li>Trabalharemos em colaboração com outros projetos de código aberto.</li>
+  <li>Nós daremos boas-vindas a qualquer empresa comercial, como parte
+da nossa comunidade.</li>
+  <li>Mageia sempre será baseada em software livre. No entanto, também
+estamos abertos a contribuições de softwares que não são, a fim de
+proporcionar aos nossos usuários as alternativas que atendam suas
+diferentes necessidades e expectativas.</li>
+  <li>Mageia será sempre um esforço coletivo, internacional e
+organizado, representativo de nossa comunidade pluralista.<br>
+  </li>
+</ul>
+</div>
+</div>
+</div>
+</div>
+
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+Right, but perhaps a video during the installation teaching them what they should know for future installations would help.<br><br>
+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/20 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundström wrote:<br><br></div>
+<div class="im">&gt; And you think they&#39;ll know that with the current Mandriva-installer if<br>&gt; that&#39;s what transferred into Mageia?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; You know you CAN use mobile-phones to install Linux on as well?<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; Ever heard of Moblin?<br><br></div>Please don&#39;t top-post.<br><br>I&#39;m aware that there are specialized Linux distros for mobile phones but<br>it wasn&#39;t obvious to me that you meant phones by the saying &quot;mobile&quot;<br>
+since &quot;mobile&quot; is not a universally recognized word for mobile-phones.<br><br>That said, AFAIK there is no general purpose distro that can also be<br>installed on a mobile-phone.<br><br>Furthermore for a newbie, LESS questions is better so good working<br>
+auto dedection (always with the possibility of maunal override for<br>advance users) is key, not dumbed down questions.<br><br></blockquote></div><br>
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+Right, but perhaps a video during the installation teaching them what they should know for future installations would help.<br><br>
+<div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/20 Tux99 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundström wrote:<br><br></div>
+<div class="im">&gt; And you think they&#39;ll know that with the current Mandriva-installer if<br>&gt; that&#39;s what transferred into Mageia?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; You know you CAN use mobile-phones to install Linux on as well?<br>
+&gt;<br>&gt; Ever heard of Moblin?<br><br></div>Please don&#39;t top-post.<br><br>I&#39;m aware that there are specialized Linux distros for mobile phones but<br>it wasn&#39;t obvious to me that you meant phones by the saying &quot;mobile&quot;<br>
+since &quot;mobile&quot; is not a universally recognized word for mobile-phones.<br><br>That said, AFAIK there is no general purpose distro that can also be<br>installed on a mobile-phone.<br><br>Furthermore for a newbie, LESS questions is better so good working<br>
+auto dedection (always with the possibility of maunal override for<br>advance users) is key, not dumbed down questions.<br><br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/23 Morgan Leijström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Den 2010-10-23 19:23:22 skrev Michael Scherer:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; that still doesn&#39;t really explain in what case a fallback should really<br>
+&gt; be needed.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I once fubar:ed my KDE settings<br>
+<br>
+I copied back a backup using LXDE.<br>
+I could have used command line.<br>
+But for some users command line is scary.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>it happens many times, eg i did an install in a netbook with gma500 graphic card and i could only loggin in lxde. Another time i have messed the plasma configurations and fortunately i could logged in with icewm. I have many personal examples that i needed a light environment to repair my KDE session so i think that a fallback DE (i prefer icewm) is always need to be installed by default<br clear="all">
+<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/23 Morgan Leijström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Den 2010-10-23 19:23:22 skrev Michael Scherer:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; that still doesn&#39;t really explain in what case a fallback should really<br>
+&gt; be needed.<br>
+<br>
+</div>I once fubar:ed my KDE settings<br>
+<br>
+I copied back a backup using LXDE.<br>
+I could have used command line.<br>
+But for some users command line is scary.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>it happens many times, eg i did an install in a netbook with gma500 graphic card and i could only loggin in lxde. Another time i have messed the plasma configurations and fortunately i could logged in with icewm. I have many personal examples that i needed a light environment to repair my KDE session so i think that a fallback DE (i prefer icewm) is always need to be installed by default<br clear="all">
+<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    When it comes to the bugzilla that Mageia is going to use I've got a
+    couple of suggestions for it.<br>
+    <br>
+    1. <big><big><big><big><big><b><u>IF</u></b></big></big></big></big></big>
+    you're going to use <a href="http://www.bugzilla.com"
+      moz-do-not-send="true">Bugzilla</a> as a bugreporter-site, keep
+    the version of it updated. Current latest version of Bugzilla is
+    3.6.2 AFAIK.<br>
+    2. Please consider making it working much like Launchpad since the
+    QA-bugzilla for Mandriva doesn't gather needed info automatically.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thank you for reading this.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    When it comes to the bugzilla that Mageia is going to use I've got a
+    couple of suggestions for it.<br>
+    <br>
+    1. <big><big><big><big><big><b><u>IF</u></b></big></big></big></big></big>
+    you're going to use <a href="http://www.bugzilla.com"
+      moz-do-not-send="true">Bugzilla</a> as a bugreporter-site, keep
+    the version of it updated. Current latest version of Bugzilla is
+    3.6.2 AFAIK.<br>
+    2. Please consider making it working much like Launchpad since the
+    QA-bugzilla for Mandriva doesn't gather needed info automatically.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thank you for reading this.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Is it possible to get error log-files for each part of the system to
+    make it easier to see what the error really is?<br>
+    <br>
+    For instance<br>
+    <br>
+    /var/log/x11/<br>
+    /var/log/drakx11/<br>
+    /var/log/gnome/gnome-do<br>
+    <br>
+    Today........... some unrelated messages get written in the wrong
+    place.<br>
+    <br>
+    For an apprentice it'll be easier to find the error-message if they
+    go to the functions or programs directory in /var/log to read the
+    info.
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Is it possible to get error log-files for each part of the system to
+    make it easier to see what the error really is?<br>
+    <br>
+    For instance<br>
+    <br>
+    /var/log/x11/<br>
+    /var/log/drakx11/<br>
+    /var/log/gnome/gnome-do<br>
+    <br>
+    Today........... some unrelated messages get written in the wrong
+    place.<br>
+    <br>
+    For an apprentice it'll be easier to find the error-message if they
+    go to the functions or programs directory in /var/log to read the
+    info.
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<h1 class="entry-title">Mageia: algumas notícias sobre o projeto</h1>
+</div><div id="bd" role="main"><div class="yui-g"><div class="para codeofconduct">
+<div id="nav-below" class="navigation">
+<div class="entry-meta"> <span class="meta-prep meta-prep-author">Posted
+on</span> <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=54" title="1:25 am" rel="bookmark"><span class="entry-date">October 2, 2010</span></a> <span class="meta-sep">by</span> <span class="author vcard"><a class="url fn n" href="http://blog.mageia.org/?author=2" title="View all posts by ennael">ennael</a></span> </div>
+<!-- .entry-meta -->
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+<div id="_mcePaste">
+<div id="_mcePaste">
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Considerando todas as
+propostas e contribuições que recebemos até agora, parece que Mageia
+tem potencial para ser um grande sucesso! Para aqueles que estão
+querendo saber o que está acontecendo agora, aqui estão algumas
+notícias sobre vários assuntos:</p>
+</div>
+<div>
+<ul><li>A fim de responder às principais perguntas sobre o projeto
+mageia, um <span><a href="http://mageia.org/pt-br/faq/">FAQ</a></span>
+já está disponível no site. Sinta-se livre para comentar e pedir
+mais&nbsp; perguntas se você acha que alguns assuntos estão em
+falta.&nbsp;&nbsp;<span></span></li><li>A associação mageia vai ser registrada na segunda-feira, com
+uma&nbsp;publicação oficial em cerca de um mês (depois revisto pela
+administração), graças à Severina e RTP.&nbsp;
+    <p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"> </p>
+  </li><li>Um Manifesto Mageia está em
+andamento. Nós fornecemos uma lista de itens para ajudar Lauder Graham
+e alguns caras de marketing &amp; comunicação para trabalhar em um
+primeiro esboço. </li><li>Uma equipe sysadmin foi criada por Nicolas (boklm), para começar
+a trabalhar na nova infra-estrutura.</li><li>Para a infra-estrutura de
+hardware, recebemos propostas para servidores e hospedagem. Agora temos
+o hardware para ser capaz de configurar a construção&nbsp;de sistema
+(build
+system) e de acolhimento dos principais serviços. Já começamos a
+instalação de uma máquina virtual oferecida por gandi.net que vamos
+usar em breve para
+hospedar os sites e o blog. Em relação à hospedagem dos outros
+servidores, nós temos uma proposta de um ano e já estão trabalhando em
+uma solução de longo prazo. </li><li>Misc está trabalhando em um planejamento para a implantação do
+sistema
+de compilação (aproximadamente 4/5, dias a partir do zero, sem a
+instalação do servidor, se tudo correr bem)</li><li>Olivier (Nanar) deve anunciar em breve alguns planos para os
+espelhos e
+uma aplicação web para cuidar disto. Nós já temos muitas propostas para
+os espelhos locais para hospedar os pacotes e ISOs Mageia. Mas ainda
+estamos procurando&nbsp; espelhos Tier1.</li><li>Buchan está trabalhando na parte da infra-estrutura LDAP.</li><li>Mageia tem sido contactada por vários jornais, podcasts, webTV,
+rádio
+web etc ..., que tomou muito tempo. Você vai ouvir falar Mageia em
+breve&nbsp;<span> <img src="mageia:%20some%20news%20about%20the%20project%20%7C%20Mageia%20Blog_arquivos/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"> </span></li><li> As doações estão indo muito bem, cerca de 5.000 € e 100
+doadores! Iremos publicar relatórios
+financeiros mensais para que você possa acompanhar como ele está sendo
+usado. As primeiras despesas serão com unidades de disco rígido, nomes
+de domínios e registo da marca Mageia.</li><li>Você vai em breve ser capaz de comprar Mageia tee-shirts. Nós não
+temos
+um logotipo oficial ainda, mas não se preocupe, ainda é possível fazer
+tshirts divertidos sem um logotipo.</li></ul>
+</div>
+<div>Brevemente neste blog, mais notícias sobre a organização geral do
+projeto Mageia, fique atento!</div>
+<div>Livremente</div>
+<div>Equipe Mageia<!-- .entry-content --></div>
+</div>
+</div>
+</div>
+
+Mageia: algumas notícias sobre o projet<p class="license">.</p>
+</div>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Ter�a-feira 26 Outubro 2010, �s 09:23:14, Romain d'Alverny escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 13:20, Romain d'Alverny &lt;rdalverny@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; 2010/10/26 MacXi &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm sending attached the text of the &quot;Code of Conduct&quot; �(C�digo de</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Conduta) in Portuguese and �html.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Thanks: http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/code-of-conduct/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Ha, that was for pt, no pt-br. Fixing. Could you provide me with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; updated translations for other pages as well then? Thanks! (and thanks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; dams!)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Romain</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Romain, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes. <a name="result_box"></a>I think only the blog pages are not translated. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm sending the text of the Blog  (Mageia: some news about  the project), in portuguese (pt_br) and html. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
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+<h1 class="entry-title">Mageia: algumas notícias sobre o projeto</h1>
+</div><div id="bd" role="main"><div class="yui-g"><div class="para codeofconduct">
+<div id="nav-below" class="navigation">
+<div class="entry-meta"> <span class="meta-prep meta-prep-author">Posted
+on</span> <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=54" title="1:25 am" rel="bookmark"><span class="entry-date">October 2, 2010</span></a> <span class="meta-sep">by</span> <span class="author vcard"><a class="url fn n" href="http://blog.mageia.org/?author=2" title="View all posts by ennael">ennael</a></span> </div>
+<!-- .entry-meta -->
+<div class="entry-content">
+<div id="_mcePaste">
+<div id="_mcePaste">
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;">Considerando todas as
+propostas e contribuições que recebemos até agora, parece que Mageia
+tem potencial para ser um grande sucesso! Para aqueles que estão
+querendo saber o que está acontecendo agora, aqui estão algumas
+notícias sobre vários assuntos:</p>
+</div>
+<div>
+<ul><li>A fim de responder às principais perguntas sobre o projeto
+mageia, um <span><a href="http://mageia.org/pt-br/faq/">FAQ</a></span>
+já está disponível no site. Sinta-se livre para comentar e pedir
+mais&nbsp; perguntas se você acha que alguns assuntos estão em
+falta.&nbsp;&nbsp;<span></span></li><li>A associação mageia vai ser registrada na segunda-feira, com
+uma&nbsp;publicação oficial em cerca de um mês (depois revisto pela
+administração), graças à Severina e RTP.&nbsp;
+    <p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"> </p>
+  </li><li>Um Manifesto Mageia está em
+andamento. Nós fornecemos uma lista de itens para ajudar Lauder Graham
+e alguns caras de marketing &amp; comunicação para trabalhar em um
+primeiro esboço. </li><li>Uma equipe sysadmin foi criada por Nicolas (boklm), para começar
+a trabalhar na nova infra-estrutura.</li><li>Para a infra-estrutura de
+hardware, recebemos propostas para servidores e hospedagem. Agora temos
+o hardware para ser capaz de configurar a construção&nbsp;de sistema
+(build
+system) e de acolhimento dos principais serviços. Já começamos a
+instalação de uma máquina virtual oferecida por gandi.net que vamos
+usar em breve para
+hospedar os sites e o blog. Em relação à hospedagem dos outros
+servidores, nós temos uma proposta de um ano e já estão trabalhando em
+uma solução de longo prazo. </li><li>Misc está trabalhando em um planejamento para a implantação do
+sistema
+de compilação (aproximadamente 4/5, dias a partir do zero, sem a
+instalação do servidor, se tudo correr bem)</li><li>Olivier (Nanar) deve anunciar em breve alguns planos para os
+espelhos e
+uma aplicação web para cuidar disto. Nós já temos muitas propostas para
+os espelhos locais para hospedar os pacotes e ISOs Mageia. Mas ainda
+estamos procurando&nbsp; espelhos Tier1.</li><li>Buchan está trabalhando na parte da infra-estrutura LDAP.</li><li>Mageia tem sido contactada por vários jornais, podcasts, webTV,
+rádio
+web etc ..., que tomou muito tempo. Você vai ouvir falar Mageia em
+breve&nbsp;<span> <img src="mageia:%20some%20news%20about%20the%20project%20%7C%20Mageia%20Blog_arquivos/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley"> </span></li><li> As doações estão indo muito bem, cerca de 5.000 € e 100
+doadores! Iremos publicar relatórios
+financeiros mensais para que você possa acompanhar como ele está sendo
+usado. As primeiras despesas serão com unidades de disco rígido, nomes
+de domínios e registo da marca Mageia.</li><li>Você vai em breve ser capaz de comprar Mageia tee-shirts. Nós não
+temos
+um logotipo oficial ainda, mas não se preocupe, ainda é possível fazer
+tshirts divertidos sem um logotipo.</li></ul>
+</div>
+<div>Brevemente neste blog, mais notícias sobre a organização geral do
+projeto Mageia, fique atento!</div>
+<div>Livremente</div>
+<div>Equipe Mageia<!-- .entry-content --></div>
+</div>
+</div>
+</div>
+
+Mageia: algumas notícias sobre o projet<p class="license">.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Ter�a-feira 26 Outubro 2010, �s 09:23:14, Romain d'Alverny escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 13:20, Romain d'Alverny &lt;rdalverny@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; 2010/10/26 MacXi &lt;terraagua@gmail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; I'm sending attached the text of the &quot;Code of Conduct&quot; �(C�digo de</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Conduta) in Portuguese and �html.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Thanks: http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/code-of-conduct/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Ha, that was for pt, no pt-br. Fixing. Could you provide me with</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; updated translations for other pages as well then? Thanks! (and thanks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; dams!)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Romain</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Romain, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes. <a name="result_box"></a>I think only the blog pages are not translated. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm sending the text of the Blog  (Mageia: some news about  the project), in portuguese (pt_br) and html. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
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+<div id="hd" role="banner">
+<h1>Mageia <span>| Código de Conduta</span></h1>
+</div>
+<div id="bd" role="main">
+<div class="yui-g">
+<div class="para codeofconduct">
+<div id="preamble">
+<p>O projeto mageia é uma comunidade vibrante, aberta a todos. Queremos
+que esta comunidade seja um lugar agradável para novos e atuais
+membros, onde todos se sintam confortáveis e aceito, seja qual for a
+quantidade eo tipo de suas contribuições.</p>
+<p>Na Comunidade mageia, participantes de todo o mundo se reúnem para
+criar um sistema operacional Software Livre. Isto é possível graças ao
+apoio, trabalho duro e entusiasmo de milhares de pessoas, incluindo
+aquelas que criam e usam mageia, bem como outros membros do projeto
+Software Livre.</p>
+<p>Este documento oferece algumas orientações para que os participantes
+mageia possam cooperar de forma eficaz num ambiente positivo e
+inspirador, e explicar como podemos apoiar uns aos outros.</p>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta é compartilhado por todos os colaboradores e
+os usuários que se envolvem com o Projeto Mageia e serviços de sua
+comunidade.</p>
+</div>
+<div id="overview">
+<h2 class="be">Resumo</h2>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta apresenta uma síntese dos valores comuns e o
+"senso comum" a pensar na nossa comunidade. Os imperativos sociais
+básicos que sustentam o nosso projecto em conjunto incluem:</p>
+<ul>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_considerate">Ser
+atencioso</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_respectful">Ser
+respeitoso</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_collaborative">Ser
+colaborativo</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_pragmatic">Ser
+pragmático</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#support">Ajudar aos
+outros na comunidade</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#get_support">Buscar ajuda
+dos outros na comunidade</a>.</li>
+</ul>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta reflete as normas acordadas de comportamento
+para os membros da Comunidade Mageia, em qualquer fórum, mailing list,
+wiki, site, canal de IRC, reunião pública ou na sua correspondência
+privada, no âmbito do Projecto Mageia e seus serviços. A comunidade age
+de acordo com as normas escritas neste Código de Conduta e defenderá
+estas normas em benefício da comunidade. Líderes de toda a Equipe
+Mageia tem o direito de suspender o acesso de qualquer pessoa que
+insiste em quebrar nosso código de conduta comum ou, se necessário, o
+problema pode ser rediscutido e levado ao conhecimento do Conselho
+Mageia para uma decisão final.</p>
+</div>
+<h2 id="be_considerate" class="be">Ser Atencioso.</h2>
+<p>As
+suas ações e trabalhos afetarão e serão usadas por outras pessoas. Por
+outro lado, vocês dependerão do trabalho e ações de outras pessoas.
+Qualquer decisão que tomem afetará os outros membros da comunidade, e
+esperamos que levem em consideração tais conseqüências ao tomar
+decisões.
+</p>
+<p>Como colaborador certifique-se de reconhecer plenamente o crédito do
+trabalho dos outros e tenha em mente como as suas alterações podem
+afetar aos outros. Também se espera que você tente seguir o cronograma
+e as orientações do projeto.</p>
+<p>Como um usuário, lembre-se que os colaboradores trabalham duro em
+suas contribuições para Mageia e se sentem muito orgulhos disso. Se
+você ficar frustrado com uma questão em particular, é mais provável que
+seus problemas seja resolvidos se você puder dar informações precisas e
+de forma bem-educada para todos os interessados.<br>
+<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="be_respectful" class="be">Ser Respeitoso.</h2>
+<p>Para que a comunidade Mageia possa se manter saudável, seus membros
+devem se sentir confortável e aceitos. Tratar o outro com respeito é
+absolutamente necessário para que isso seja alcançado. Se qualquer
+divergência ocorrer, primeiro você deve assumir que as pessoas são bem
+intencionadas.</p>
+<p>Não toleramos ataques pessoais, racismo, sexismo ou qualquer outra
+forma de discriminação. As divergências ocasionais são inevitáveis, mas
+o respeito pela opinião dos outros resultará, a longo prazo, que as
+suas opiniões também sejam respeitadas. O respeito às outras pessoas,
+aos seus trabalhos, contribuições e agindo com boa intenção, fará com
+que os membros da comunidade se sintam confortáveis e seguros,
+resultando em motivação e produtividade.
+</p>
+<p>Esperamos que os membros da nossa comunidade sejam respeitosos
+quando estiverem lidando com outros colaboradores, usuários e
+comunidades. Lembre-se que Mageia é um projeto internacional e que
+podem não ter consciência de aspectos importantes de outras culturas.</p>
+<h2 id="be_collaborative" class="be">Ser Colaborativo.</h2>
+<p>O Movimento pelo Software Livre depende da colaboração: ela ajuda a
+reduzir a duplicação de esforços, melhorando a qualidade do software
+produzido. A fim de evitar mal-entendidos, tentar ser claro e conciso
+ao solicitar ou oferecer ajuda. Lembre-se que é fácil interpretar mal
+os emails (principalmente quando eles não são escritos na sua língua
+materna). Peça esclarecimentos se algo não lhe parece claro, lembre-se
+a primeira regra - em primeiro lugar, assumir que as pessoas são bem
+intencionadas.</p>
+<p>Como colaborador, você deve ter como objetivo colaborar com outros
+membros da comunidade, bem como com outras comunidades (projetos
+upstream, por exemplo) que está interessado nele, ou que depende do
+trabalho que você faz. Seu trabalho deve ser transparente e ser adado
+retorno para a comunidade o mais rapidamente possível (mesmo quando não
+totalmente concluída). Se você deseja trabalhar em algo novo em
+projetos existentes, mantenha as equipe do projeto informada de suas
+idéias e do seu progresso.</p>
+<p>Nem sempre ser possível se chegar a um consenso sobre a aplicação de
+uma idéia, portanto, não se sintam obrigados a conseguir isso antes de
+começar. No entanto, certifique-se sempre manter o mundo exterior
+informado sobre o seu trabalho e publique-o para permitir aos outros
+fazerem testes, discutir e contribuir para o seu trabalho.
+.</p>
+<p>Os colaboradores&nbsp; de todos os projetos vêm e vão. Quando você
+deixar ou se desengajar de um projeto, no todo ou em parte, deve
+fazê-lo com orgulho sobre o que você conseguiu, e agindo com
+responsabilidade em relação aos outros que virão depois de vocês para
+continuar trabalhando no projeto.<br>
+</p>
+<p>Como um usuário, suas opiniões, comentários e sugestões são
+importantes, assim como a forma em elas são apresentadas. Os
+comentários mal formulados podem causar dor e desmotivação nos outros
+membros da comunidade, mas uma discussão ponderada dos problemas pode
+obter resultados positivos. Uma palavra de incentivo, de encorajamento,
+de apoio faz maravilhas.
+<br>
+<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="be_pragmatic" class="be">Ser Pragmático.</h2>
+<p>Mageia é uma comunidade pragmática.</p>
+<p>Valorizamos mais os resultados concretos, viaveis, do que ter a
+última palavra em uma discussão. Defendemos os nossos valores
+fundamentais, a liberdade e a colaboração respeitosa, mas não
+permitimos que as discussões sobre questões menores nos impeçam de
+alcançar resultados mais importantes.</p>
+<p>Estamos abertos a sugestões e as soluções são bem-vindas,
+independentemente da origem. Quando houver dúvida,&nbsp;&nbsp; se deve
+apoiar a
+solução que ajuda as coisas a serem feitas, ao invés de uma que tem
+méritos teóricos,&nbsp; mas que não está sendo implementada. Utilize as
+ferramentas e métodos que ajudam a fazer o trabalho. Deixe que as
+decisões sejam tomadas por aqueles que fazem o trabalho. Se surgir
+algum problema que lhe pareça inconciliável, consulte o líder da equipe
+em causa. Se necessário, o Conselho Mageia pode ser consultado.</p>
+<h2 id="support" class="be">Ajudar aos outros na comunidade.</h2>
+<p>A nossa comunidade se fortalece pelo respeito mútuo, pela
+colaboração e pelo comportamento, responsável e pragmático. Às vezes,
+esses valores devem ser defendidos e outros membros da comunidade podem
+precisar de ajuda.</p>
+<p>Se você achar que alguém está sendo atacado, pense primeiro em como
+você pode oferecer-lhe seu apoio pessoal. Se você sente que a situação
+está além de sua capacidade de ajudar individualmente, entre com
+contato particular com essa pessoa e pergunte se alguma forma de
+intervenção oficial é necessária. Da mesma forma, você deve ajudar quem
+lhe pareça estar em perigo de se complicar, seja devido ao estresse
+relacionado ao trabalho ou seja&nbsp; por problemas pessoais. </p>
+<p>Quando
+surgir problemas, considere como uma primeira ação, lembrar
+respeitosamente os envolvidos do nosso código de conduta comum.&nbsp;
+Líderes são definidos por suas ações, e podem ajudar a dar um bom
+exemplo trabalhando para resolver os problemas com o espírito deste
+Código de Conduta, antes que os problemas aumentem.<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="get_support" class="be">Buscar ajuda dos outros na
+comunidade.</h2>
+<p>Discordâncias, tanto políticas&nbsp; como técnicas, acontecem o
+tempo todo. Nossa comunidade não é uma exceção. O objetivo não é evitar
+discordâncias ou pontos de vista diferentes, mas resolvê-las
+construtivamente. Você deve voltar para a comunidade e procurar
+aconselhamento para resolver as divergências, e sempre que possível,
+consultar a(s) equipe (s) mais directamente envolvidas.</p>
+<p>Pense seriamente antes de tornar um desentendimento em uma disputa
+pública. Se necessário, solicite mediação e tente resolver as
+diferenças em um ambiente menos emocional. Se você sente que você ou o
+seu
+trabalho está sendo atacado, tire um tempo para respirar antes de
+escrever respostas duras. Considere uma parada de 24 horas se a
+linguagem emocional está sendo utilizada - um período de reflexão às
+vezes é tudo o que é necessário. Se você realmente quer ir por um
+caminho
+diferente, então nós incentivamos você a publicar suas idéias e seu
+trabalho, de modo que possa ser experimentado e testado.</p>
+<p class="license">Este documento está licenciado sob a <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/">Creative
+Commons Attribution - Share Alike 3.0 License</a> (<a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Code_of_Conduct" rel="nofollow">parent
+version</a>).</p>
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+</div>
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+<h1>Mageia <span>| Código de Conduta</span></h1>
+</div>
+<div id="bd" role="main">
+<div class="yui-g">
+<div class="para codeofconduct">
+<div id="preamble">
+<p>O projeto mageia é uma comunidade vibrante, aberta a todos. Queremos
+que esta comunidade seja um lugar agradável para novos e atuais
+membros, onde todos se sintam confortáveis e aceito, seja qual for a
+quantidade eo tipo de suas contribuições.</p>
+<p>Na Comunidade mageia, participantes de todo o mundo se reúnem para
+criar um sistema operacional Software Livre. Isto é possível graças ao
+apoio, trabalho duro e entusiasmo de milhares de pessoas, incluindo
+aquelas que criam e usam mageia, bem como outros membros do projeto
+Software Livre.</p>
+<p>Este documento oferece algumas orientações para que os participantes
+mageia possam cooperar de forma eficaz num ambiente positivo e
+inspirador, e explicar como podemos apoiar uns aos outros.</p>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta é compartilhado por todos os colaboradores e
+os usuários que se envolvem com o Projeto Mageia e serviços de sua
+comunidade.</p>
+</div>
+<div id="overview">
+<h2 class="be">Resumo</h2>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta apresenta uma síntese dos valores comuns e o
+"senso comum" a pensar na nossa comunidade. Os imperativos sociais
+básicos que sustentam o nosso projecto em conjunto incluem:</p>
+<ul>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_considerate">Ser
+atencioso</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_respectful">Ser
+respeitoso</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_collaborative">Ser
+colaborativo</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_pragmatic">Ser
+pragmático</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#support">Ajudar aos
+outros na comunidade</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#get_support">Buscar ajuda
+dos outros na comunidade</a>.</li>
+</ul>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta reflete as normas acordadas de comportamento
+para os membros da Comunidade Mageia, em qualquer fórum, mailing list,
+wiki, site, canal de IRC, reunião pública ou na sua correspondência
+privada, no âmbito do Projecto Mageia e seus serviços. A comunidade age
+de acordo com as normas escritas neste Código de Conduta e defenderá
+estas normas em benefício da comunidade. Líderes de toda a Equipe
+Mageia tem o direito de suspender o acesso de qualquer pessoa que
+insiste em quebrar nosso código de conduta comum ou, se necessário, o
+problema pode ser rediscutido e levado ao conhecimento do Conselho
+Mageia para uma decisão final.</p>
+</div>
+<h2 id="be_considerate" class="be">Ser Atencioso.</h2>
+<p>As
+suas ações e trabalhos afetarão e serão usadas por outras pessoas. Por
+outro lado, vocês dependerão do trabalho e ações de outras pessoas.
+Qualquer decisão que tomem afetará os outros membros da comunidade, e
+esperamos que levem em consideração tais conseqüências ao tomar
+decisões.
+</p>
+<p>Como colaborador certifique-se de reconhecer plenamente o crédito do
+trabalho dos outros e tenha em mente como as suas alterações podem
+afetar aos outros. Também se espera que você tente seguir o cronograma
+e as orientações do projeto.</p>
+<p>Como um usuário, lembre-se que os colaboradores trabalham duro em
+suas contribuições para Mageia e se sentem muito orgulhos disso. Se
+você ficar frustrado com uma questão em particular, é mais provável que
+seus problemas seja resolvidos se você puder dar informações precisas e
+de forma bem-educada para todos os interessados.<br>
+<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="be_respectful" class="be">Ser Respeitoso.</h2>
+<p>Para que a comunidade Mageia possa se manter saudável, seus membros
+devem se sentir confortável e aceitos. Tratar o outro com respeito é
+absolutamente necessário para que isso seja alcançado. Se qualquer
+divergência ocorrer, primeiro você deve assumir que as pessoas são bem
+intencionadas.</p>
+<p>Não toleramos ataques pessoais, racismo, sexismo ou qualquer outra
+forma de discriminação. As divergências ocasionais são inevitáveis, mas
+o respeito pela opinião dos outros resultará, a longo prazo, que as
+suas opiniões também sejam respeitadas. O respeito às outras pessoas,
+aos seus trabalhos, contribuições e agindo com boa intenção, fará com
+que os membros da comunidade se sintam confortáveis e seguros,
+resultando em motivação e produtividade.
+</p>
+<p>Esperamos que os membros da nossa comunidade sejam respeitosos
+quando estiverem lidando com outros colaboradores, usuários e
+comunidades. Lembre-se que Mageia é um projeto internacional e que
+podem não ter consciência de aspectos importantes de outras culturas.</p>
+<h2 id="be_collaborative" class="be">Ser Colaborativo.</h2>
+<p>O Movimento pelo Software Livre depende da colaboração: ela ajuda a
+reduzir a duplicação de esforços, melhorando a qualidade do software
+produzido. A fim de evitar mal-entendidos, tentar ser claro e conciso
+ao solicitar ou oferecer ajuda. Lembre-se que é fácil interpretar mal
+os emails (principalmente quando eles não são escritos na sua língua
+materna). Peça esclarecimentos se algo não lhe parece claro, lembre-se
+a primeira regra - em primeiro lugar, assumir que as pessoas são bem
+intencionadas.</p>
+<p>Como colaborador, você deve ter como objetivo colaborar com outros
+membros da comunidade, bem como com outras comunidades (projetos
+upstream, por exemplo) que está interessado nele, ou que depende do
+trabalho que você faz. Seu trabalho deve ser transparente e ser adado
+retorno para a comunidade o mais rapidamente possível (mesmo quando não
+totalmente concluída). Se você deseja trabalhar em algo novo em
+projetos existentes, mantenha as equipe do projeto informada de suas
+idéias e do seu progresso.</p>
+<p>Nem sempre ser possível se chegar a um consenso sobre a aplicação de
+uma idéia, portanto, não se sintam obrigados a conseguir isso antes de
+começar. No entanto, certifique-se sempre manter o mundo exterior
+informado sobre o seu trabalho e publique-o para permitir aos outros
+fazerem testes, discutir e contribuir para o seu trabalho.
+.</p>
+<p>Os colaboradores&nbsp; de todos os projetos vêm e vão. Quando você
+deixar ou se desengajar de um projeto, no todo ou em parte, deve
+fazê-lo com orgulho sobre o que você conseguiu, e agindo com
+responsabilidade em relação aos outros que virão depois de vocês para
+continuar trabalhando no projeto.<br>
+</p>
+<p>Como um usuário, suas opiniões, comentários e sugestões são
+importantes, assim como a forma em elas são apresentadas. Os
+comentários mal formulados podem causar dor e desmotivação nos outros
+membros da comunidade, mas uma discussão ponderada dos problemas pode
+obter resultados positivos. Uma palavra de incentivo, de encorajamento,
+de apoio faz maravilhas.
+<br>
+<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="be_pragmatic" class="be">Ser Pragmático.</h2>
+<p>Mageia é uma comunidade pragmática.</p>
+<p>Valorizamos mais os resultados concretos, viaveis, do que ter a
+última palavra em uma discussão. Defendemos os nossos valores
+fundamentais, a liberdade e a colaboração respeitosa, mas não
+permitimos que as discussões sobre questões menores nos impeçam de
+alcançar resultados mais importantes.</p>
+<p>Estamos abertos a sugestões e as soluções são bem-vindas,
+independentemente da origem. Quando houver dúvida,&nbsp;&nbsp; se deve
+apoiar a
+solução que ajuda as coisas a serem feitas, ao invés de uma que tem
+méritos teóricos,&nbsp; mas que não está sendo implementada. Utilize as
+ferramentas e métodos que ajudam a fazer o trabalho. Deixe que as
+decisões sejam tomadas por aqueles que fazem o trabalho. Se surgir
+algum problema que lhe pareça inconciliável, consulte o líder da equipe
+em causa. Se necessário, o Conselho Mageia pode ser consultado.</p>
+<h2 id="support" class="be">Ajudar aos outros na comunidade.</h2>
+<p>A nossa comunidade se fortalece pelo respeito mútuo, pela
+colaboração e pelo comportamento, responsável e pragmático. Às vezes,
+esses valores devem ser defendidos e outros membros da comunidade podem
+precisar de ajuda.</p>
+<p>Se você achar que alguém está sendo atacado, pense primeiro em como
+você pode oferecer-lhe seu apoio pessoal. Se você sente que a situação
+está além de sua capacidade de ajudar individualmente, entre com
+contato particular com essa pessoa e pergunte se alguma forma de
+intervenção oficial é necessária. Da mesma forma, você deve ajudar quem
+lhe pareça estar em perigo de se complicar, seja devido ao estresse
+relacionado ao trabalho ou seja&nbsp; por problemas pessoais. </p>
+<p>Quando
+surgir problemas, considere como uma primeira ação, lembrar
+respeitosamente os envolvidos do nosso código de conduta comum.&nbsp;
+Líderes são definidos por suas ações, e podem ajudar a dar um bom
+exemplo trabalhando para resolver os problemas com o espírito deste
+Código de Conduta, antes que os problemas aumentem.<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="get_support" class="be">Buscar ajuda dos outros na
+comunidade.</h2>
+<p>Discordâncias, tanto políticas&nbsp; como técnicas, acontecem o
+tempo todo. Nossa comunidade não é uma exceção. O objetivo não é evitar
+discordâncias ou pontos de vista diferentes, mas resolvê-las
+construtivamente. Você deve voltar para a comunidade e procurar
+aconselhamento para resolver as divergências, e sempre que possível,
+consultar a(s) equipe (s) mais directamente envolvidas.</p>
+<p>Pense seriamente antes de tornar um desentendimento em uma disputa
+pública. Se necessário, solicite mediação e tente resolver as
+diferenças em um ambiente menos emocional. Se você sente que você ou o
+seu
+trabalho está sendo atacado, tire um tempo para respirar antes de
+escrever respostas duras. Considere uma parada de 24 horas se a
+linguagem emocional está sendo utilizada - um período de reflexão às
+vezes é tudo o que é necessário. Se você realmente quer ir por um
+caminho
+diferente, então nós incentivamos você a publicar suas idéias e seu
+trabalho, de modo que possa ser experimentado e testado.</p>
+<p class="license">Este documento está licenciado sob a <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/">Creative
+Commons Attribution - Share Alike 3.0 License</a> (<a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Code_of_Conduct" rel="nofollow">parent
+version</a>).</p>
+</div>
+</div>
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+<h1>Mageia <span>| Código de Conduta</span></h1>
+</div>
+<div id="bd" role="main">
+<div class="yui-g">
+<div class="para codeofconduct">
+<div id="preamble">
+<p>O projeto mageia é uma comunidade vibrante, aberta a todos. Queremos
+que esta comunidade seja um lugar agradável para novos e atuais
+membros, onde todos se sintam confortáveis e aceito, seja qual for a
+quantidade eo tipo de suas contribuições.</p>
+<p>Na Comunidade mageia, participantes de todo o mundo se reúnem para
+criar um sistema operacional Software Livre. Isto é possível graças ao
+apoio, trabalho duro e entusiasmo de milhares de pessoas, incluindo
+aquelas que criam e usam mageia, bem como outros membros do projeto
+Software Livre.</p>
+<p>Este documento oferece algumas orientações para que os participantes
+mageia possam cooperar de forma eficaz num ambiente positivo e
+inspirador, e explicar como podemos apoiar uns aos outros.</p>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta é compartilhado por todos os colaboradores e
+os usuários que se envolvem com o Projeto Mageia e serviços de sua
+comunidade.</p>
+</div>
+<div id="overview">
+<h2 class="be">Resumo</h2>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta apresenta uma síntese dos valores comuns e o
+"senso comum" a pensar na nossa comunidade. Os imperativos sociais
+básicos que sustentam o nosso projecto em conjunto incluem:</p>
+<ul>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_considerate">Ser
+atencioso</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_respectful">Ser
+respeitoso</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_collaborative">Ser
+colaborativo</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_pragmatic">Ser
+pragmático</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#support">Ajudar aos
+outros na comunidade</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#get_support">Buscar ajuda
+dos outros na comunidade</a>.</li>
+</ul>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta reflete as normas acordadas de comportamento
+para os membros da Comunidade Mageia, em qualquer fórum, mailing list,
+wiki, site, canal de IRC, reunião pública ou na sua correspondência
+privada, no âmbito do Projecto Mageia e seus serviços. A comunidade age
+de acordo com as normas escritas neste Código de Conduta e defenderá
+estas normas em benefício da comunidade. Líderes de toda a Equipe
+Mageia tem o direito de suspender o acesso de qualquer pessoa que
+insiste em quebrar nosso código de conduta comum ou, se necessário, o
+problema pode ser rediscutido e levado ao conhecimento do Conselho
+Mageia para uma decisão final.</p>
+</div>
+<h2 id="be_considerate" class="be">Ser Atencioso.</h2>
+<p>As
+suas ações e trabalhos afetarão e serão usadas por outras pessoas. Por
+outro lado, vocês dependerão do trabalho e ações de outras pessoas.
+Qualquer decisão que tomem afetará os outros membros da comunidade, e
+esperamos que levem em consideração tais conseqüências ao tomar
+decisões.
+</p>
+<p>Como colaborador certifique-se de reconhecer plenamente o crédito do
+trabalho dos outros e tenha em mente como as suas alterações podem
+afetar aos outros. Também se espera que você tente seguir o cronograma
+e as orientações do projeto.</p>
+<p>Como um usuário, lembre-se que os colaboradores trabalham duro em
+suas contribuições para Mageia e se sentem muito orgulhos disso. Se
+você ficar frustrado com uma questão em particular, é mais provável que
+seus problemas seja resolvidos se você puder dar informações precisas e
+de forma bem-educada para todos os interessados.<br>
+<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="be_respectful" class="be">Ser Respeitoso.</h2>
+<p>Para que a comunidade Mageia possa se manter saudável, seus membros
+devem se sentir confortável e aceitos. Tratar o outro com respeito é
+absolutamente necessário para que isso seja alcançado. Se qualquer
+divergência ocorrer, primeiro você deve assumir que as pessoas são bem
+intencionadas.</p>
+<p>Não toleramos ataques pessoais, racismo, sexismo ou qualquer outra
+forma de discriminação. As divergências ocasionais são inevitáveis, mas
+o respeito pela opinião dos outros resultará, a longo prazo, que as
+suas opiniões também sejam respeitadas. O respeito às outras pessoas,
+aos seus trabalhos, contribuições e agindo com boa intenção, fará com
+que os membros da comunidade se sintam confortáveis e seguros,
+resultando em motivação e produtividade.
+</p>
+<p>Esperamos que os membros da nossa comunidade sejam respeitosos
+quando estiverem lidando com outros colaboradores, usuários e
+comunidades. Lembre-se que Mageia é um projeto internacional e que
+podem não ter consciência de aspectos importantes de outras culturas.</p>
+<h2 id="be_collaborative" class="be">Ser Colaborativo.</h2>
+<p>O Movimento pelo Software Livre depende da colaboração: ela ajuda a
+reduzir a duplicação de esforços, melhorando a qualidade do software
+produzido. A fim de evitar mal-entendidos, tentar ser claro e conciso
+ao solicitar ou oferecer ajuda. Lembre-se que é fácil interpretar mal
+os emails (principalmente quando eles não são escritos na sua língua
+materna). Peça esclarecimentos se algo não lhe parece claro, lembre-se
+a primeira regra - em primeiro lugar, assumir que as pessoas são bem
+intencionadas.</p>
+<p>Como colaborador, você deve ter como objetivo colaborar com outros
+membros da comunidade, bem como com outras comunidades (projetos
+upstream, por exemplo) que está interessado nele, ou que depende do
+trabalho que você faz. Seu trabalho deve ser transparente e ser adado
+retorno para a comunidade o mais rapidamente possível (mesmo quando não
+totalmente concluída). Se você deseja trabalhar em algo novo em
+projetos existentes, mantenha as equipe do projeto informada de suas
+idéias e do seu progresso.</p>
+<p>Nem sempre ser possível se chegar a um consenso sobre a aplicação de
+uma idéia, portanto, não se sintam obrigados a conseguir isso antes de
+começar. No entanto, certifique-se sempre manter o mundo exterior
+informado sobre o seu trabalho e publique-o para permitir aos outros
+fazerem testes, discutir e contribuir para o seu trabalho.
+.</p>
+<p>Os colaboradores&nbsp; de todos os projetos vêm e vão. Quando você
+deixar ou se desengajar de um projeto, no todo ou em parte, deve
+fazê-lo com orgulho sobre o que você conseguiu, e agindo com
+responsabilidade em relação aos outros que virão depois de vocês para
+continuar trabalhando no projeto.<br>
+</p>
+<p>Como um usuário, suas opiniões, comentários e sugestões são
+importantes, assim como a forma em elas são apresentadas. Os
+comentários mal formulados podem causar dor e desmotivação nos outros
+membros da comunidade, mas uma discussão ponderada dos problemas pode
+obter resultados positivos. Uma palavra de incentivo, de encorajamento,
+de apoio faz maravilhas.
+<br>
+<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="be_pragmatic" class="be">Ser Pragmático.</h2>
+<p>Mageia é uma comunidade pragmática.</p>
+<p>Valorizamos mais os resultados concretos, viaveis, do que ter a
+última palavra em uma discussão. Defendemos os nossos valores
+fundamentais, a liberdade e a colaboração respeitosa, mas não
+permitimos que as discussões sobre questões menores nos impeçam de
+alcançar resultados mais importantes.</p>
+<p>Estamos abertos a sugestões e as soluções são bem-vindas,
+independentemente da origem. Quando houver dúvida,&nbsp;&nbsp; se deve
+apoiar a
+solução que ajuda as coisas a serem feitas, ao invés de uma que tem
+méritos teóricos,&nbsp; mas que não está sendo implementada. Utilize as
+ferramentas e métodos que ajudam a fazer o trabalho. Deixe que as
+decisões sejam tomadas por aqueles que fazem o trabalho. Se surgir
+algum problema que lhe pareça inconciliável, consulte o líder da equipe
+em causa. Se necessário, o Conselho Mageia pode ser consultado.</p>
+<h2 id="support" class="be">Ajudar aos outros na comunidade.</h2>
+<p>A nossa comunidade se fortalece pelo respeito mútuo, pela
+colaboração e pelo comportamento, responsável e pragmático. Às vezes,
+esses valores devem ser defendidos e outros membros da comunidade podem
+precisar de ajuda.</p>
+<p>Se você achar que alguém está sendo atacado, pense primeiro em como
+você pode oferecer-lhe seu apoio pessoal. Se você sente que a situação
+está além de sua capacidade de ajudar individualmente, entre com
+contato particular com essa pessoa e pergunte se alguma forma de
+intervenção oficial é necessária. Da mesma forma, você deve ajudar quem
+lhe pareça estar em perigo de se complicar, seja devido ao estresse
+relacionado ao trabalho ou seja&nbsp; por problemas pessoais. </p>
+<p>Quando
+surgir problemas, considere como uma primeira ação, lembrar
+respeitosamente os envolvidos do nosso código de conduta comum.&nbsp;
+Líderes são definidos por suas ações, e podem ajudar a dar um bom
+exemplo trabalhando para resolver os problemas com o espírito deste
+Código de Conduta, antes que os problemas aumentem.<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="get_support" class="be">Buscar ajuda dos outros na
+comunidade.</h2>
+<p>Discordâncias, tanto políticas&nbsp; como técnicas, acontecem o
+tempo todo. Nossa comunidade não é uma exceção. O objetivo não é evitar
+discordâncias ou pontos de vista diferentes, mas resolvê-las
+construtivamente. Você deve voltar para a comunidade e procurar
+aconselhamento para resolver as divergências, e sempre que possível,
+consultar a(s) equipe (s) mais directamente envolvidas.</p>
+<p>Pense seriamente antes de tornar um desentendimento em uma disputa
+pública. Se necessário, solicite mediação e tente resolver as
+diferenças em um ambiente menos emocional. Se você sente que você ou o
+seu
+trabalho está sendo atacado, tire um tempo para respirar antes de
+escrever respostas duras. Considere uma parada de 24 horas se a
+linguagem emocional está sendo utilizada - um período de reflexão às
+vezes é tudo o que é necessário. Se você realmente quer ir por um
+caminho
+diferente, então nós incentivamos você a publicar suas idéias e seu
+trabalho, de modo que possa ser experimentado e testado.</p>
+<p class="license">Este documento está licenciado sob a <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/">Creative
+Commons Attribution - Share Alike 3.0 License</a> (<a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Code_of_Conduct" rel="nofollow">parent
+version</a>).</p>
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+</div>
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+<h1>Mageia <span>| Código de Conduta</span></h1>
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+<div id="bd" role="main">
+<div class="yui-g">
+<div class="para codeofconduct">
+<div id="preamble">
+<p>O projeto mageia é uma comunidade vibrante, aberta a todos. Queremos
+que esta comunidade seja um lugar agradável para novos e atuais
+membros, onde todos se sintam confortáveis e aceito, seja qual for a
+quantidade eo tipo de suas contribuições.</p>
+<p>Na Comunidade mageia, participantes de todo o mundo se reúnem para
+criar um sistema operacional Software Livre. Isto é possível graças ao
+apoio, trabalho duro e entusiasmo de milhares de pessoas, incluindo
+aquelas que criam e usam mageia, bem como outros membros do projeto
+Software Livre.</p>
+<p>Este documento oferece algumas orientações para que os participantes
+mageia possam cooperar de forma eficaz num ambiente positivo e
+inspirador, e explicar como podemos apoiar uns aos outros.</p>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta é compartilhado por todos os colaboradores e
+os usuários que se envolvem com o Projeto Mageia e serviços de sua
+comunidade.</p>
+</div>
+<div id="overview">
+<h2 class="be">Resumo</h2>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta apresenta uma síntese dos valores comuns e o
+"senso comum" a pensar na nossa comunidade. Os imperativos sociais
+básicos que sustentam o nosso projecto em conjunto incluem:</p>
+<ul>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_considerate">Ser
+atencioso</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_respectful">Ser
+respeitoso</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_collaborative">Ser
+colaborativo</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#be_pragmatic">Ser
+pragmático</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#support">Ajudar aos
+outros na comunidade</a>,</li>
+  <li><a href="Code_Conduct_Mageia-pt_br.html#get_support">Buscar ajuda
+dos outros na comunidade</a>.</li>
+</ul>
+<p>Este Código de Conduta reflete as normas acordadas de comportamento
+para os membros da Comunidade Mageia, em qualquer fórum, mailing list,
+wiki, site, canal de IRC, reunião pública ou na sua correspondência
+privada, no âmbito do Projecto Mageia e seus serviços. A comunidade age
+de acordo com as normas escritas neste Código de Conduta e defenderá
+estas normas em benefício da comunidade. Líderes de toda a Equipe
+Mageia tem o direito de suspender o acesso de qualquer pessoa que
+insiste em quebrar nosso código de conduta comum ou, se necessário, o
+problema pode ser rediscutido e levado ao conhecimento do Conselho
+Mageia para uma decisão final.</p>
+</div>
+<h2 id="be_considerate" class="be">Ser Atencioso.</h2>
+<p>As
+suas ações e trabalhos afetarão e serão usadas por outras pessoas. Por
+outro lado, vocês dependerão do trabalho e ações de outras pessoas.
+Qualquer decisão que tomem afetará os outros membros da comunidade, e
+esperamos que levem em consideração tais conseqüências ao tomar
+decisões.
+</p>
+<p>Como colaborador certifique-se de reconhecer plenamente o crédito do
+trabalho dos outros e tenha em mente como as suas alterações podem
+afetar aos outros. Também se espera que você tente seguir o cronograma
+e as orientações do projeto.</p>
+<p>Como um usuário, lembre-se que os colaboradores trabalham duro em
+suas contribuições para Mageia e se sentem muito orgulhos disso. Se
+você ficar frustrado com uma questão em particular, é mais provável que
+seus problemas seja resolvidos se você puder dar informações precisas e
+de forma bem-educada para todos os interessados.<br>
+<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="be_respectful" class="be">Ser Respeitoso.</h2>
+<p>Para que a comunidade Mageia possa se manter saudável, seus membros
+devem se sentir confortável e aceitos. Tratar o outro com respeito é
+absolutamente necessário para que isso seja alcançado. Se qualquer
+divergência ocorrer, primeiro você deve assumir que as pessoas são bem
+intencionadas.</p>
+<p>Não toleramos ataques pessoais, racismo, sexismo ou qualquer outra
+forma de discriminação. As divergências ocasionais são inevitáveis, mas
+o respeito pela opinião dos outros resultará, a longo prazo, que as
+suas opiniões também sejam respeitadas. O respeito às outras pessoas,
+aos seus trabalhos, contribuições e agindo com boa intenção, fará com
+que os membros da comunidade se sintam confortáveis e seguros,
+resultando em motivação e produtividade.
+</p>
+<p>Esperamos que os membros da nossa comunidade sejam respeitosos
+quando estiverem lidando com outros colaboradores, usuários e
+comunidades. Lembre-se que Mageia é um projeto internacional e que
+podem não ter consciência de aspectos importantes de outras culturas.</p>
+<h2 id="be_collaborative" class="be">Ser Colaborativo.</h2>
+<p>O Movimento pelo Software Livre depende da colaboração: ela ajuda a
+reduzir a duplicação de esforços, melhorando a qualidade do software
+produzido. A fim de evitar mal-entendidos, tentar ser claro e conciso
+ao solicitar ou oferecer ajuda. Lembre-se que é fácil interpretar mal
+os emails (principalmente quando eles não são escritos na sua língua
+materna). Peça esclarecimentos se algo não lhe parece claro, lembre-se
+a primeira regra - em primeiro lugar, assumir que as pessoas são bem
+intencionadas.</p>
+<p>Como colaborador, você deve ter como objetivo colaborar com outros
+membros da comunidade, bem como com outras comunidades (projetos
+upstream, por exemplo) que está interessado nele, ou que depende do
+trabalho que você faz. Seu trabalho deve ser transparente e ser adado
+retorno para a comunidade o mais rapidamente possível (mesmo quando não
+totalmente concluída). Se você deseja trabalhar em algo novo em
+projetos existentes, mantenha as equipe do projeto informada de suas
+idéias e do seu progresso.</p>
+<p>Nem sempre ser possível se chegar a um consenso sobre a aplicação de
+uma idéia, portanto, não se sintam obrigados a conseguir isso antes de
+começar. No entanto, certifique-se sempre manter o mundo exterior
+informado sobre o seu trabalho e publique-o para permitir aos outros
+fazerem testes, discutir e contribuir para o seu trabalho.
+.</p>
+<p>Os colaboradores&nbsp; de todos os projetos vêm e vão. Quando você
+deixar ou se desengajar de um projeto, no todo ou em parte, deve
+fazê-lo com orgulho sobre o que você conseguiu, e agindo com
+responsabilidade em relação aos outros que virão depois de vocês para
+continuar trabalhando no projeto.<br>
+</p>
+<p>Como um usuário, suas opiniões, comentários e sugestões são
+importantes, assim como a forma em elas são apresentadas. Os
+comentários mal formulados podem causar dor e desmotivação nos outros
+membros da comunidade, mas uma discussão ponderada dos problemas pode
+obter resultados positivos. Uma palavra de incentivo, de encorajamento,
+de apoio faz maravilhas.
+<br>
+<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="be_pragmatic" class="be">Ser Pragmático.</h2>
+<p>Mageia é uma comunidade pragmática.</p>
+<p>Valorizamos mais os resultados concretos, viaveis, do que ter a
+última palavra em uma discussão. Defendemos os nossos valores
+fundamentais, a liberdade e a colaboração respeitosa, mas não
+permitimos que as discussões sobre questões menores nos impeçam de
+alcançar resultados mais importantes.</p>
+<p>Estamos abertos a sugestões e as soluções são bem-vindas,
+independentemente da origem. Quando houver dúvida,&nbsp;&nbsp; se deve
+apoiar a
+solução que ajuda as coisas a serem feitas, ao invés de uma que tem
+méritos teóricos,&nbsp; mas que não está sendo implementada. Utilize as
+ferramentas e métodos que ajudam a fazer o trabalho. Deixe que as
+decisões sejam tomadas por aqueles que fazem o trabalho. Se surgir
+algum problema que lhe pareça inconciliável, consulte o líder da equipe
+em causa. Se necessário, o Conselho Mageia pode ser consultado.</p>
+<h2 id="support" class="be">Ajudar aos outros na comunidade.</h2>
+<p>A nossa comunidade se fortalece pelo respeito mútuo, pela
+colaboração e pelo comportamento, responsável e pragmático. Às vezes,
+esses valores devem ser defendidos e outros membros da comunidade podem
+precisar de ajuda.</p>
+<p>Se você achar que alguém está sendo atacado, pense primeiro em como
+você pode oferecer-lhe seu apoio pessoal. Se você sente que a situação
+está além de sua capacidade de ajudar individualmente, entre com
+contato particular com essa pessoa e pergunte se alguma forma de
+intervenção oficial é necessária. Da mesma forma, você deve ajudar quem
+lhe pareça estar em perigo de se complicar, seja devido ao estresse
+relacionado ao trabalho ou seja&nbsp; por problemas pessoais. </p>
+<p>Quando
+surgir problemas, considere como uma primeira ação, lembrar
+respeitosamente os envolvidos do nosso código de conduta comum.&nbsp;
+Líderes são definidos por suas ações, e podem ajudar a dar um bom
+exemplo trabalhando para resolver os problemas com o espírito deste
+Código de Conduta, antes que os problemas aumentem.<br>
+</p>
+<h2 id="get_support" class="be">Buscar ajuda dos outros na
+comunidade.</h2>
+<p>Discordâncias, tanto políticas&nbsp; como técnicas, acontecem o
+tempo todo. Nossa comunidade não é uma exceção. O objetivo não é evitar
+discordâncias ou pontos de vista diferentes, mas resolvê-las
+construtivamente. Você deve voltar para a comunidade e procurar
+aconselhamento para resolver as divergências, e sempre que possível,
+consultar a(s) equipe (s) mais directamente envolvidas.</p>
+<p>Pense seriamente antes de tornar um desentendimento em uma disputa
+pública. Se necessário, solicite mediação e tente resolver as
+diferenças em um ambiente menos emocional. Se você sente que você ou o
+seu
+trabalho está sendo atacado, tire um tempo para respirar antes de
+escrever respostas duras. Considere uma parada de 24 horas se a
+linguagem emocional está sendo utilizada - um período de reflexão às
+vezes é tudo o que é necessário. Se você realmente quer ir por um
+caminho
+diferente, então nós incentivamos você a publicar suas idéias e seu
+trabalho, de modo que possa ser experimentado e testado.</p>
+<p class="license">Este documento está licenciado sob a <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/us/">Creative
+Commons Attribution - Share Alike 3.0 License</a> (<a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Code_of_Conduct" rel="nofollow">parent
+version</a>).</p>
+</div>
+</div>
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+    I have an idea that comes from the Remixed edition of Ubuntu that a
+    guy here from Sweden released on his FTP.<br>
+    <br>
+    Take a look here:<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Note: The page is in Swedish.<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://home.danielnylander.se/ubuntu/">http://home.danielnylander.se/ubuntu/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    Perhaps make several ISO's for the parts of the world.<br>
+    <br>
+    For instance:<br>
+    <br>
+    Mageia DVD i586 or x86_64 for Europe containing:<br>
+    <br>
+    Denmark<br>
+    Finland<br>
+    Germany<br>
+    Norway<br>
+    Sweden<br>
+    <br>
+    And all the other countries TO of course.<br>
+    <br>
+    In the installer you choose to install Swedish &amp; you'll get only
+    locales-se or -sv instead of both locales-en &amp; locales-se or -sv<br>
+    <br>
+    That saves a lot of space to preserve for other needed packs that
+    won't fit in the original-iso.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
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+    I have an idea that comes from the Remixed edition of Ubuntu that a
+    guy here from Sweden released on his FTP.<br>
+    <br>
+    Take a look here:<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Note: The page is in Swedish.<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://home.danielnylander.se/ubuntu/">http://home.danielnylander.se/ubuntu/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    Perhaps make several ISO's for the parts of the world.<br>
+    <br>
+    For instance:<br>
+    <br>
+    Mageia DVD i586 or x86_64 for Europe containing:<br>
+    <br>
+    Denmark<br>
+    Finland<br>
+    Germany<br>
+    Norway<br>
+    Sweden<br>
+    <br>
+    And all the other countries TO of course.<br>
+    <br>
+    In the installer you choose to install Swedish &amp; you'll get only
+    locales-se or -sv instead of both locales-en &amp; locales-se or -sv<br>
+    <br>
+    That saves a lot of space to preserve for other needed packs that
+    won't fit in the original-iso.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> i�ve got mdv lxde... i was just saying that it would be great to make the program guess what the user wants to find, save what the user usually uses, and by that pattern the next time the user searches would find what he would be most likely looking for. And just in case he is not satisfied, a button to show more or less results.<br></div><br>
+
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> i�ve got mdv lxde... i was just saying that it would be great to make the program guess what the user wants to find, save what the user usually uses, and by that pattern the next time the user searches would find what he would be most likely looking for. And just in case he is not satisfied, a button to show more or less results.<br></div><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/28 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2010/10/28 Kristoffer Grundstr�m &lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; In the installer you choose to install Swedish &amp; you&#39;ll get only locales-se<br>
+&gt; or -sv instead of both locales-en &amp; locales-se or -sv<br>
+<br>
+</div>Not commenting your suggestions but you will always want to have<br>
+locales-en as fallback for messages and other stuff which is not<br>
+translated to your language.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br><br></font></blockquote><div>�</div><div>If we are going for a live DVD edition (and I am strongly for this), then you will not have any problem, they all fit in one DVD... (I tested this option for a work-in-progress live edition of Mandriva dedicated to music).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>St�phane�</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/28 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2010/10/28 Kristoffer Grundstr�m &lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; In the installer you choose to install Swedish &amp; you&#39;ll get only locales-se<br>
+&gt; or -sv instead of both locales-en &amp; locales-se or -sv<br>
+<br>
+</div>Not commenting your suggestions but you will always want to have<br>
+locales-en as fallback for messages and other stuff which is not<br>
+translated to your language.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br><br></font></blockquote><div>�</div><div>If we are going for a live DVD edition (and I am strongly for this), then you will not have any problem, they all fit in one DVD... (I tested this option for a work-in-progress live edition of Mandriva dedicated to music).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>St�phane�</div></div><br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Dj Marian &lt;djmarian4u@yahoo.com&gt;<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, 28 October, 2010 10:08:50<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?<br></font><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"> i�ve got mdv lxde... i was just saying that it would be great to make the program guess what the user wants to find, save what the user usually uses, and by
+ that pattern the next time the user searches would find what he would be most likely looking for. And just in case he is not satisfied, a button to show more or less results.<br></div><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Hi,</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">This make me think of an idea: save user habits (application used and so on) on his Mageia account, so the next time you install a new version you'll have the possibility to have it on your way in one click.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Indeed that would be great (I'll spear all the time to customize a new install).</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Best regards,</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Florin Catalin RUSSEN</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight:
+ bold;">Romanian Translation Team</span><br>
+
+      </div></div>
+</div><br>
+
+
+
+      </body></html>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Dj Marian &lt;djmarian4u@yahoo.com&gt;<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, 28 October, 2010 10:08:50<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] what aabout an automated way of doing it?<br></font><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"> i�ve got mdv lxde... i was just saying that it would be great to make the program guess what the user wants to find, save what the user usually uses, and by
+ that pattern the next time the user searches would find what he would be most likely looking for. And just in case he is not satisfied, a button to show more or less results.<br></div><br><span style="font-weight: bold;">Hi,</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">This make me think of an idea: save user habits (application used and so on) on his Mageia account, so the next time you install a new version you'll have the possibility to have it on your way in one click.</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Indeed that would be great (I'll spear all the time to customize a new install).</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Best regards,</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Florin Catalin RUSSEN</span><br style="font-weight: bold;"><span style="font-weight:
+ bold;">Romanian Translation Team</span><br>
+
+      </div></div>
+</div><br>
+
+
+
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Hello,<br><br>So instead of guessing, or saving on the internet maybe a quick question at the beginning of the install asking �How do you rate your experience with linux?� beginner medium advanced expert... new ones should get a small list to choose programs from (tested and easy to use soft)... and some easy way to find what isn�t in the small list<br><br>Dan.<br></div><br>
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Hello,<br><br>So instead of guessing, or saving on the internet maybe a quick question at the beginning of the install asking �How do you rate your experience with linux?� beginner medium advanced expert... new ones should get a small list to choose programs from (tested and easy to use soft)... and some easy way to find what isn�t in the small list<br><br>Dan.<br></div><br>
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+      </body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Hello,<br><br>from former updates or package selections<br>if you have mdv installed for one year and you only choose some packages<br>keep a record of what is not selected (not wanted) on the system by the user<br>based on these things it could guess you don�t want everything to show up on your screen<br>and i think some users might benefit if they would have less packages to choose from, the new users...<br>when i first installed mdv (last year after i deleted mdv 2008 from my netbook) i needed some programs i looked for them in �install and remove software� and some were confusing me...<br><br>so by keeping a large scale record of what users usually select, a default guessing can be forced on every user on fresh install (the buttons show more and/or show less would be good for someone who
+ doesn�t like the idea of being forced to accept something), after let�s say 100 installed packages the user�s selection profile can start to be clear<br>if he only selects gui packages, it�s clear he doesn�t want other ones on the screen<br>also if he has a profile on the mageia website, the profile could save the user�s packages clicks online<br>when he logs in, mageia could just download his former profile without asking (or maybe asking is good)<br>also if the user suddenly is a better linux user and for another 100 clicks he selects all kinds of packages, the former 2000 clicks should have less influence on what appears on the screen, than the last 100 clicks<br><br>while updating, maybe he never chooses and always updates everything... in this case a button �install all updates� as a tooltip near the clock instead of the mdv usual would be faster, painless, and appreciated by a new user who has no idea and doesn�t care what would be best
+ for him to update<br><br>Dan.<br></div><br>
+
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Hello,<br><br>from former updates or package selections<br>if you have mdv installed for one year and you only choose some packages<br>keep a record of what is not selected (not wanted) on the system by the user<br>based on these things it could guess you don�t want everything to show up on your screen<br>and i think some users might benefit if they would have less packages to choose from, the new users...<br>when i first installed mdv (last year after i deleted mdv 2008 from my netbook) i needed some programs i looked for them in �install and remove software� and some were confusing me...<br><br>so by keeping a large scale record of what users usually select, a default guessing can be forced on every user on fresh install (the buttons show more and/or show less would be good for someone who
+ doesn�t like the idea of being forced to accept something), after let�s say 100 installed packages the user�s selection profile can start to be clear<br>if he only selects gui packages, it�s clear he doesn�t want other ones on the screen<br>also if he has a profile on the mageia website, the profile could save the user�s packages clicks online<br>when he logs in, mageia could just download his former profile without asking (or maybe asking is good)<br>also if the user suddenly is a better linux user and for another 100 clicks he selects all kinds of packages, the former 2000 clicks should have less influence on what appears on the screen, than the last 100 clicks<br><br>while updating, maybe he never chooses and always updates everything... in this case a button �install all updates� as a tooltip near the clock instead of the mdv usual would be faster, painless, and appreciated by a new user who has no idea and doesn�t care what would be best
+ for him to update<br><br>Dan.<br></div><br>
+
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+Hello<div><br></div><div>Following your discussion, i do proposals to replace the fameaous &quot;DSO module for Apache&quot;, find for many apache_mod ... You could view them at :</div><div><a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/ApacheModSummaries" target="_blank">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/ApacheModSummaries</a> </div>
+
+<div>Replace the basic summaries with something adequate, a maximum of 80 characters, highlighting the essence of the description and keep a guideline for easy reference/searchs.</div><div><br></div><div>If OK on, then i must check tools you discuss here, to provide facilities, if i can, for translations or others (specs integrations ?)</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Regards.</div><div><br></div><div>ps : initially i post many bugs reports on mdv-bz for each, as requested, but not the good way (sorry mr Vignaud and Eriksoon if you read that), corrected by storing the wiki.</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>LWd, MWk</div><div>bubar</div>
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+Hello<div><br></div><div>Following your discussion, i do proposals to replace the fameaous &quot;DSO module for Apache&quot;, find for many apache_mod ... You could view them at :</div><div><a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/ApacheModSummaries" target="_blank">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/ApacheModSummaries</a> </div>
+
+<div>Replace the basic summaries with something adequate, a maximum of 80 characters, highlighting the essence of the description and keep a guideline for easy reference/searchs.</div><div><br></div><div>If OK on, then i must check tools you discuss here, to provide facilities, if i can, for translations or others (specs integrations ?)</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Regards.</div><div><br></div><div>ps : initially i post many bugs reports on mdv-bz for each, as requested, but not the good way (sorry mr Vignaud and Eriksoon if you read that), corrected by storing the wiki.</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>LWd, MWk</div><div>bubar</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/30 David <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dgboles@gmail.com">dgboles@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Has the development system been established yet? Is there an installable<br>
+Mageia available?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hello David, </div><div>You could follow any informations through this ML, and with Mageia blog :  <a href="http://blog.mageia.org">http://blog.mageia.org</a> (relay on social networks)</div>
+<div>The Mageia Team works actually on Building System and severals services on servers.</div><div>Mageia roadmap mention an iso for december (alpha version)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/10/30 David <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dgboles@gmail.com">dgboles@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Has the development system been established yet? Is there an installable<br>
+Mageia available?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hello David, </div><div>You could follow any informations through this ML, and with Mageia blog :  <a href="http://blog.mageia.org">http://blog.mageia.org</a> (relay on social networks)</div>
+<div>The Mageia Team works actually on Building System and severals services on servers.</div><div>Mageia roadmap mention an iso for december (alpha version)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Hello,<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">�Categories such as "Beginner" "Medium" "Advanced" and "Expert" are very <br>subjective terms. What one may consider an "Advanced" person may really <br>be a "Medium" user by someone else's definition and etc.�<br><br>I was referring to the install and remove software program, that it would benefit a way of showing packages for each kind of user...<br>also if some way it would be possible to guess the user�s intentions after let�s say 100 installed packages....<br><br>Dan.<br></div></div>
+</div><br>
+
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt">Hello,<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;">�Categories such as "Beginner" "Medium" "Advanced" and "Expert" are very <br>subjective terms. What one may consider an "Advanced" person may really <br>be a "Medium" user by someone else's definition and etc.�<br><br>I was referring to the install and remove software program, that it would benefit a way of showing packages for each kind of user...<br>also if some way it would be possible to guess the user�s intentions after let�s say 100 installed packages....<br><br>Dan.<br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 13:25, Doug Lytle <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:support@drdos.info">support@drdos.info</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Frederic Janssens wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<br>
+What is the simplest way to install all those rpms ?<br>
+thanks<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I added <a href="ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/i586</a> to my mirrors list<br>
+<br>
+I then did a urpmi.update -a then a �urpmi --auto-select --test<br>
+<br>
+The &#39;urpmi.update -a&#39; will update your package list, the urpmi &#39;--auto-select --test&#39; with pull down the updates, but won&#39;t apply.<br>
+<br>
+Once everything is downloaded, then run urpmi --auto-select without the test to apply.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Doug<font color="#888888"></font>-- <br></blockquote></div><br>Thanks, I&#39;m now in 4.5.2.<br><br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 13:25, Doug Lytle <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:support@drdos.info">support@drdos.info</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Frederic Janssens wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<br>
+What is the simplest way to install all those rpms ?<br>
+thanks<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I added <a href="ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/i586</a> to my mirrors list<br>
+<br>
+I then did a urpmi.update -a then a �urpmi --auto-select --test<br>
+<br>
+The &#39;urpmi.update -a&#39; will update your package list, the urpmi &#39;--auto-select --test&#39; with pull down the updates, but won&#39;t apply.<br>
+<br>
+Once everything is downloaded, then run urpmi --auto-select without the test to apply.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Doug<font color="#888888"></font>-- <br></blockquote></div><br>Thanks, I&#39;m now in 4.5.2.<br><br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 04:08, Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Just for a quick note to those interested, from the Mandriva nntp group, the KDE4.5.2 for Mandriva 2010.1 has been posted on the KDE website. You can find it here<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/" target="_blank">http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/</a><br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>What is the simplest way to install all those rpms ?<br>thanks<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 04:08, Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Just for a quick note to those interested, from the Mandriva nntp group, the KDE4.5.2 for Mandriva 2010.1 has been posted on the KDE website. You can find it here<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/" target="_blank">http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/4.5.2/Mandriva/2010.1/</a><br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>What is the simplest way to install all those rpms ?<br>thanks<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+French speaking people can found here an interview of Anne Nicolas about Mageia<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s</a><br clear="all"><br><br><br><br>-- <br>
+<div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+French speaking people can found here an interview of Anne Nicolas about Mageia<br><br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s</a><br clear="all"><br><br><br><br>-- <br>
+<div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Since Linux is about opensource &amp; Mageia is built with it, could
+    we just include programs only based on opensource?<br>
+    <br>
+    For example:<br>
+    <br>
+    Gnash instead of Adobe's Flashplayer<br>
+    Java-1.6.0-openjdk instead of Java-1.6.0-sun<br>
+    <br>
+    Perhaps an option in the installer to choose between them?<br>
+    <br>
+    Also...........graphically I feel the installer &amp; its layout is
+    kinda boring.<br>
+    <br>
+    Have you compared with other installers to make a better one?<br>
+    <br>
+    I know that Windows is closed source, BUT they DO have a nice
+    graphical installer.<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm talking about using Aero-effects.<br>
+    <br>
+    Here's an example of the installation-process:<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgMNRt11ybU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgMNRt11ybU</a><br>
+    <br>
+    Thank you for reading.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Since Linux is about opensource &amp; Mageia is built with it, could
+    we just include programs only based on opensource?<br>
+    <br>
+    For example:<br>
+    <br>
+    Gnash instead of Adobe's Flashplayer<br>
+    Java-1.6.0-openjdk instead of Java-1.6.0-sun<br>
+    <br>
+    Perhaps an option in the installer to choose between them?<br>
+    <br>
+    Also...........graphically I feel the installer &amp; its layout is
+    kinda boring.<br>
+    <br>
+    Have you compared with other installers to make a better one?<br>
+    <br>
+    I know that Windows is closed source, BUT they DO have a nice
+    graphical installer.<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm talking about using Aero-effects.<br>
+    <br>
+    Here's an example of the installation-process:<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgMNRt11ybU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgMNRt11ybU</a><br>
+    <br>
+    Thank you for reading.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/3 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><div>�I tried to explain this project there : <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a></div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+- allow to browse the package database, provide the main informations about packages, like any other distribution does (see <a href="http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages" target="_blank">http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages</a> for example).<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>or like <a href="http://sophie.zarb.org">http://sophie.zarb.org</a> for �<a href="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpm/cooker,/gcompris">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpm/cooker,/gcompris</a> gcompris package (would be in task-edu ?)</div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+- focus on interaction between users, testers and packagers (backports requests and voting, new soft requests and voting, and the other way round : testing requests from packagers to users)<br></blockquote><div><br></div>
+<div>well, sophie does not address this, indeed :)</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+- customizable user notifications on your home page, RSS feed or e-mail (new backport available for you preferred soft, new update candidate available and awaiting testing...)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>additions to sophie (nearly existing)�</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I tried to explain this project there : <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb" target="_blank">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>congrats, from what I&#39;ve seen, it&#39;s approved by the board :-)�</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+It was announced yesterday during the founders meeting : <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings</a><br>
+<br>
+The project is at its very beginning, and the task is huge, so we&#39;ll proceed step by step. You can see our temporary roadmap here : <a href="http://github.com/agallou/mageia-app-db/wiki/ROADMAP" target="_blank">http://github.com/agallou/mageia-app-db/wiki/ROADMAP</a><br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>o_O tell the difference between what exists and what could be added :)�</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Right now, I&#39;m mainly interested in your comments on this project, and also welcome any suggestions about the needs we have to answer (did we forget something ?), and ideas of functionalities. It doesn&#39;t mean we&#39;ll be able to implement everything, but at this stage I want to envision every possible idea :)�</blockquote>
+<div><br></div><div>I think that addition to what exists should be privileged, be it sophie or <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.org">http://doc4.mandriva.org</a> (when it works :/). Existing solutions being added and analysed at the bottom of�<a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a> and appropriately documented when it answers practical requirements :-) (yeah voting is all a part of it being successful imho :D people taking in charge being a reason for effective success).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+�</blockquote></div><br>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/3 Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span><br><div>�I tried to explain this project there : <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a></div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+- allow to browse the package database, provide the main informations about packages, like any other distribution does (see <a href="http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages" target="_blank">http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages</a> for example).<br>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>or like <a href="http://sophie.zarb.org">http://sophie.zarb.org</a> for �<a href="http://sophie.zarb.org/rpm/cooker,/gcompris">http://sophie.zarb.org/rpm/cooker,/gcompris</a> gcompris package (would be in task-edu ?)</div>
+<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+- focus on interaction between users, testers and packagers (backports requests and voting, new soft requests and voting, and the other way round : testing requests from packagers to users)<br></blockquote><div><br></div>
+<div>well, sophie does not address this, indeed :)</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+- customizable user notifications on your home page, RSS feed or e-mail (new backport available for you preferred soft, new update candidate available and awaiting testing...)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>additions to sophie (nearly existing)�</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I tried to explain this project there : <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb" target="_blank">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>congrats, from what I&#39;ve seen, it&#39;s approved by the board :-)�</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+It was announced yesterday during the founders meeting : <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=meetings</a><br>
+<br>
+The project is at its very beginning, and the task is huge, so we&#39;ll proceed step by step. You can see our temporary roadmap here : <a href="http://github.com/agallou/mageia-app-db/wiki/ROADMAP" target="_blank">http://github.com/agallou/mageia-app-db/wiki/ROADMAP</a><br>
+
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>o_O tell the difference between what exists and what could be added :)�</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Right now, I&#39;m mainly interested in your comments on this project, and also welcome any suggestions about the needs we have to answer (did we forget something ?), and ideas of functionalities. It doesn&#39;t mean we&#39;ll be able to implement everything, but at this stage I want to envision every possible idea :)�</blockquote>
+<div><br></div><div>I think that addition to what exists should be privileged, be it sophie or <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.org">http://doc4.mandriva.org</a> (when it works :/). Existing solutions being added and analysed at the bottom of�<a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a> and appropriately documented when it answers practical requirements :-) (yeah voting is all a part of it being successful imho :D people taking in charge being a reason for effective success).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+�</blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Well, could we have two kinds of installers to boot?<br>
+    <br>
+    If you want nice effects and such you check a box &amp; if not you
+    just click next.<br>
+    <br>
+    Both sides then gets their way done.<br>
+    <br>
+    J&eacute;r&ocirc;me H&eacute;nin skrev 2010-11-03 18:30:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTik6xLLNuf_CTqrGHGzkzbuFMN8aDm3pZM2=miH6@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On 3 November 2010 17:23, Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m
+<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">&lt;kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Since Linux is about opensource &amp; Mageia is built with it, could we just
+include programs only based on opensource?
+
+For example:
+
+Gnash instead of Adobe's Flashplayer
+Java-1.6.0-openjdk instead of Java-1.6.0-sun
+
+Perhaps an option in the installer to choose between them?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+Giving the user that choice is the current Mandriva policy, and I
+don't see an intention to change it in Mageia. It's actually stated in
+the Mageia Values.
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Also...........graphically I feel the installer &amp; its layout is kinda
+boring.
+
+Have you compared with other installers to make a better one?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+Personally, I *like* my OS installers boring. For the following reasons:
+1) I should be using them only rarely
+2) when I do, I should focus on what I am doing, not on the looks of
+the installer.
+
+So I like a clean-looking installer with a focus on reliability,
+functionality, reliability, and more reliability.
+
+Just my tuppence.
+J&eacute;r&ocirc;me
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Well, could we have two kinds of installers to boot?<br>
+    <br>
+    If you want nice effects and such you check a box &amp; if not you
+    just click next.<br>
+    <br>
+    Both sides then gets their way done.<br>
+    <br>
+    J&eacute;r&ocirc;me H&eacute;nin skrev 2010-11-03 18:30:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTik6xLLNuf_CTqrGHGzkzbuFMN8aDm3pZM2=miH6@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On 3 November 2010 17:23, Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m
+<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">&lt;kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Since Linux is about opensource &amp; Mageia is built with it, could we just
+include programs only based on opensource?
+
+For example:
+
+Gnash instead of Adobe's Flashplayer
+Java-1.6.0-openjdk instead of Java-1.6.0-sun
+
+Perhaps an option in the installer to choose between them?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+Giving the user that choice is the current Mandriva policy, and I
+don't see an intention to change it in Mageia. It's actually stated in
+the Mageia Values.
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Also...........graphically I feel the installer &amp; its layout is kinda
+boring.
+
+Have you compared with other installers to make a better one?
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+Personally, I *like* my OS installers boring. For the following reasons:
+1) I should be using them only rarely
+2) when I do, I should focus on what I am doing, not on the looks of
+the installer.
+
+So I like a clean-looking installer with a focus on reliability,
+functionality, reliability, and more reliability.
+
+Just my tuppence.
+J&eacute;r&ocirc;me
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 23:27, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I tried to explain this project there : <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb" target="_blank">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div>The more I look at the project, the more I like it. <br><br>A comment on one aspect : as it would become the preferred interface to inquire about the state of an app/package, I think the interface (and link to bugzilla) for bug reporting will be crucial for the transition from passive to active users.<br>
+<br>I will help with testing, perhaps more. <br>�</div><br></div>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 23:27, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I tried to explain this project there : <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb" target="_blank">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div>The more I look at the project, the more I like it. <br><br>A comment on one aspect : as it would become the preferred interface to inquire about the state of an app/package, I think the interface (and link to bugzilla) for bug reporting will be crucial for the transition from passive to active users.<br>
+<br>I will help with testing, perhaps more. <br>�</div><br></div>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 23:27, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I tried to explain this project there :<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb" target="_blank">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; The more I look at the project, the more I like it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A comment on one aspect : as it would become the preferred interface to<br>
+&gt; inquire about the state of an app/package, I think the interface (and link<br>
+&gt; to bugzilla) for bug reporting will be crucial for the transition from<br>
+&gt; passive to active users.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will help with testing, perhaps more.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we&#39;ll see how this is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Yes.<br>I&#39;m not very familiar with bugzilla, but I&#39;m looking into it.<br>�<br>Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a page giving a synthetic view :<br><br>lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy)<br>
+columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron)<br>������� with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests)<br>������� and simple visual representation of stats : usage, &quot;satisfaction&quot;, <br>������� &quot;open bugs&quot;� ... (with link to details)<br>
+</div></div>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 23:27, Samuel Verschelde &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I tried to explain this project there :<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb" target="_blank">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/MageiaAppDb</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; The more I look at the project, the more I like it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A comment on one aspect : as it would become the preferred interface to<br>
+&gt; inquire about the state of an app/package, I think the interface (and link<br>
+&gt; to bugzilla) for bug reporting will be crucial for the transition from<br>
+&gt; passive to active users.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will help with testing, perhaps more.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we&#39;ll see how this is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Yes.<br>I&#39;m not very familiar with bugzilla, but I&#39;m looking into it.<br>�<br>Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a page giving a synthetic view :<br><br>lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy)<br>
+columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron)<br>������� with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests)<br>������� and simple visual representation of stats : usage, &quot;satisfaction&quot;, <br>������� &quot;open bugs&quot;� ... (with link to details)<br>
+</div></div>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Then how are people that's new to the system meant to learn how
+    certain things work?<br>
+    <br>
+    John skrev 2010-11-04 09:01:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20101104210124.d80ee1e4.john@neodoc.biz"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:18:48 +0100
+Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Well, could we have two kinds of installers to boot?
+
+If you want nice effects and such you check a box &amp; if not you just
+click next.
+
+Both sides then gets their way done.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+Why two installers or install methods?
+
+To me, it seems to be waste of resources we could be using elsewhere. Yes
+I know it's all about choice(s) but at this level?
+
+An installer has the purpose of doing just that, as cleanly and as
+efficiently as possible, with as little user interaction as is possible.
+
+Seriously, the last thing the new or inexperienced user needs is yet
+another choice - the new user more than likely has no idea of what here or
+she is required to do anyway and presenting them with a choice of pretty
+or utility for the installer is likely confuse even more.
+
+We already have a very good installation method, a method which for the
+most part is able to interrogate the hardware and make sane/sensible
+descisions on that basis without a large amount of user interaction.
+
+Yes, I agree that some parts of the present installer need a little polish
+in some areas but a 'pretty' one is not going to change that either.
+
+My vote is stay with what we have plus a little polishing
+
+John NZ
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
+
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Then how are people that's new to the system meant to learn how
+    certain things work?<br>
+    <br>
+    John skrev 2010-11-04 09:01:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20101104210124.d80ee1e4.john@neodoc.biz"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:18:48 +0100
+Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m wrote:
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">Well, could we have two kinds of installers to boot?
+
+If you want nice effects and such you check a box &amp; if not you just
+click next.
+
+Both sides then gets their way done.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+Why two installers or install methods?
+
+To me, it seems to be waste of resources we could be using elsewhere. Yes
+I know it's all about choice(s) but at this level?
+
+An installer has the purpose of doing just that, as cleanly and as
+efficiently as possible, with as little user interaction as is possible.
+
+Seriously, the last thing the new or inexperienced user needs is yet
+another choice - the new user more than likely has no idea of what here or
+she is required to do anyway and presenting them with a choice of pretty
+or utility for the installer is likely confuse even more.
+
+We already have a very good installation method, a method which for the
+most part is able to interrogate the hardware and make sane/sensible
+descisions on that basis without a large amount of user interaction.
+
+Yes, I agree that some parts of the present installer need a little polish
+in some areas but a 'pretty' one is not going to change that either.
+
+My vote is stay with what we have plus a little polishing
+
+John NZ
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+1
+00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000
+Paris, oct - 2010
+
+2
+00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:10,000
+Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of Open World Forum
+
+3
+00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000
+We will now turn to another topic with our
+
+4
+00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,700
+new guest Anne Nicolas, Hello
+
+5
+00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:15,700
+(Anne Nicolas)  Hello
+
+6
+00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:19,200
+So you work for a community called Mageia
+
+7
+00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,000
+Absolutely
+
+8
+00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,400
+But then there are our listeners are saying
+
+9
+00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:23,000
+ "but never heard Mageia speaking, 
+
+10
+00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000
+what is it that the promotion of this new thing"
+
+11
+00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,400
+is a Mageia fork of Mandriva?
+
+12
+00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400
+Quite
+
+13
+00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,000
+It remembers Mandriva,
+
+14
+00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200
+Mandriva I had left in my head a time when
+
+15
+00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,000
+ there were many financial difficulties,
+
+16
+00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000
+ it was not well what it was going to give.
+
+17
+00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,500
+ Tell us a little bit what happened
+
+18
+00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,000
+and what made you want 
+
+19
+00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,500
+to create this Mageia fork.
+
+20
+00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000
+This fork Mageia came 
+
+21
+00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000
+a whole lot of uncertainties that reside in Mandriva, 
+
+22
+00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100
+I was myself employed by a subsidiary of Mandriva. 
+
+23
+00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000
+It was felt there had been 12 years 
+
+24
+00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000
+of tremendous work performed on this distribution 
+
+25
+00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000
+and need to sustain this effort
+
+26
+00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000
+ and we wanted 
+
+27
+00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000
+to abstract from the presence a company 
+
+28
+00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000
+that had high and low economic level 
+
+29
+00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000
+and we decided to fork, ie 
+
+30
+00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000
+resume distribution Mandriva Linux
+
+31
+00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000
+one point from a copy simply 
+
+32
+00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000
+because the license allows
+
+33
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+and assembling a new project from there and only Community
+
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+within an association 
+
+35
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+and the project is called Mageia.
+
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+So it's very fashionable because ultimately what you have done,
+
+37
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+people from the MySQL community did 
+
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+at the time of acquisition by Oracle,
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+39
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+ they accepted the takeover by Sun, 
+
+40
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+they have not accepted the takeover by Oracle.
+
+41
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+We learned yesterday that the OpenOffice community 
+
+42
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+was doing the same thing too 
+
+43
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+because they do not agree with the direction of Oracle.
+
+44
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+So finally for those who do not know 
+
+45
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+where all these terms, a Forking 
+
+46
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+is that you can resume the original source code
+
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+and create for the moment exactly the same thing, a true copy?
+
+48
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+Altogether, it does not reinvent the wheel,
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+49
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+ since I mentioned earlier,
+
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+ we believe many technology integrated 
+
+51
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+with Mandriva Linux,
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+52
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+ we think it's really a strong point, 
+
+53
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+but it would work differently 
+
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+in the development of future distribution
+
+55
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+Mageia So it'll be a 1901 association therefore non-profit?
+
+56
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+Quite
+
+57
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+built around the community, 
+
+58
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+developers in fact,
+
+59
+00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,500
+ it is community developers 
+
+60
+00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500
+who are members of the association?
+
+61
+00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,000
+Then the members of the association will overlap
+
+62
+00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000
+ with the full scope of that affect people
+
+63
+00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000
+ directly or indirectly to a distribution. 
+
+64
+00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000
+It will be developers, people who are 
+
+65
+00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000
+packaging software, testers translators, 
+
+66
+00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000
+but also because today what users. The strength
+
+67
+00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000
+ of a distribution is the ability of its community
+
+68
+00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000
+users to promote the distribution 
+
+69
+00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000
+so they have a part quite predominant and essential 
+
+70
+00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000
+in the association.
+
+71
+00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000
+So it begs the question
+
+72
+00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000
+ why an association?
+
+73
+00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000
+ You think today is the best way 
+
+74
+00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,500
+to work together on a project like this?
+
+75
+00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000
+Found that the values of freedom today 
+
+76
+00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,000
+are that it can be a little demanding 
+
+77
+00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000
+on the necessity of sharing 
+
+78
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+the sustainability of the  software, etc.. 
+
+79
+00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000
+and given the history and challenges of the time,
+
+80
+00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000
+Mandriva has been estimated that a community project 
+
+81
+00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000
+was more appropriate and
+
+82
+00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000
+the association is only there to regulate 
+
+83
+00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000
+the use of resources organization, so yes there is a 
+
+84
+00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000
+community project but organized in a lasting way.
+
+85
+00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,000
+ At the same time we must live,
+
+86
+00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000
+ you were employed by a company 
+
+87
+00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000
+that working on Mandriva, 
+
+88
+00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000
+you may have wanted to find a job and back wages
+
+89
+00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000
+Yes, it would be nice.
+
+90
+00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000
+It must be that all that great, 
+
+91
+00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500
+how is what generates the income fully associative structure?
+
+92
+00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,500
+ Then the association is one thing, 
+
+93
+00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,100
+it produces a product that Mageia 
+
+94
+00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000
+which is called a distribution.
+
+95
+00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000
+We can consider a perfectly
+
+96
+00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000
+ commercial structure that will act in the periphery of the association and 
+
+97
+00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000
+will based on the distribution called Mageia and 
+
+98
+00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000
+will offer a whole lots of service as support,
+
+99
+00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000
+ consulting, development, 
+
+100
+00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,000
+thereby help the company take this product 
+
+101
+00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000
+has tremendous community strength 
+
+102
+00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,200
+and integrate it into its array of solutions it may have.
+
+103
+00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200
+So now you're faced with a number of needs,
+
+104
+00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000
+urgent first need we will try to answer them all 
+
+105
+00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000
+is to make a bit of noise around Mageia 
+
+106
+00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,200
+because nobody knows.
+
+107
+00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000
+Nobody knows the outdoors in the little world of open source.
+
+108
+00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,000
+I admit that we were very pleasantly surprised 
+
+109
+00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000
+by the return because not Mandriva only the present community 
+
+110
+00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000
+has reacted to the announcement and acceded 
+
+111
+00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:12,000
+but also because people using Mandrake at the time
+
+112
+00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000
+ and returning because he believes 
+
+113
+00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000
+it is a little more to their expectation that they and their vision 
+
+114
+00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000
+of an open source distribution.
+
+115
+00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000
+ Be careful what is called the 
+
+116
+00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000
+navel syndrome, which that people who know you and 
+
+117
+00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000
+you know how difficult it is to ensure that those who do not know 
+
+118
+00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000
+you have the reflex to go see Mageia 
+
+119
+00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000
+rather because he must say things very clear shot of you
+
+120
+00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,800
+become a little competition from Mandriva?
+
+121
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+Quite
+
+122
+00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700
+ How is what you do to try to promote this new brand, 
+
+123
+00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,000
+because it costs money as all that?
+
+124
+00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000
+Is finally starting very small 
+
+125
+00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000
+since the initiative was made very short time,
+
+126
+00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,200
+ we launched an appeal for donations 
+
+127
+00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,000
+which currently meets extremely well, we had solutions 
+
+128
+00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000
+to enable us to host our entire infrastructure, a
+
+129
+00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:07,000
+nd we will try to sustain it in companies adhering to the association,
+
+130
+00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:14,000
+ and finally it becomes account that there are many users who understand 
+
+131
+00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,500
+that the Free software is not necessarily free and 
+
+132
+00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,000
+that I can to support the distribution rather than put a little money 
+
+133
+00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000
+every month by example 
+
+134
+00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000
+since I know that this money will be used so transparent 
+
+135
+00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000
+and maintaining a number of value. 
+
+136
+00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,500
+We have many returns on that front.
+
+137
+00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000
+ And do you think that you will generate enough money eventually 
+
+138
+00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000
+pay people who will permanently work
+
+139
+00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000
+distribution?
+
+140
+00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,000
+Immediate not within the Association, 
+
+141
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+cons in a business structure 
+
+142
+00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000
+that offer services can be more traditional 
+
+143
+00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000
+here we can actually generate income 
+
+144
+00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000
+and that income may possibly be
+
+145
+00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000
+ used to fund developments
+
+146
+00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000
+additional distribution
+
+147
+00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,000
+Very good transition, is what you have already thought about it
+
+148
+00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000
+should evolve within Mageia that it continues to meet required? 
+
+149
+00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000
+At the same time Mandriva 
+
+150
+00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000
+was in trouble for some time that therefore
+
+151
+00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000
+ may be missing a bit of development, 
+
+152
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+is what you want do new things?
+
+153
+00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000
+So yes, there are plenty of things we want to do, lots of things.
+
+154
+00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000
+Among others, there is a huge strength is the 
+
+155
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+control center, the Linux Control Center 
+
+156
+00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000
+and now it's to change,
+
+157
+00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000
+the rejuvenate because it's true that it is a little older and then
+
+158
+00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000
+why not move towards architectures 
+
+159
+00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000
+that are increasingly used as shelves for example, 
+
+160
+00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000
+and can also switch to
+
+161
+00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000
+openness to services like cloud, etc..
+
+162
+00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000
+ so all that they are guidelines
+
+163
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+ that will define in the coming weeks.
+
+164
+00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,500
+You have a real functioning associations, participatory?
+
+165
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+Quite
+
+166
+00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000
+You will meet regularly?
+
+167
+00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,500
+While meeting a little bit special as they will because the virtual 
+
+168
+00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,400
+community Mageia is international, 
+
+169
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+ie, it's a lot in Europe, South America, so 
+
+170
+00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,000
+in these cases we do can not do real meetings, 
+
+171
+00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,000
+the fact remains that these are people who are accustomed 
+
+172
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+to working in that way, remote, 
+
+173
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+so yes it will meetings, as each interest group, 
+
+174
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+we will have a board to manage the association 
+
+175
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+to make a strategic decision, 
+
+176
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+especially so many communication, perhaps what we missed.
+
+177
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+Okay, we hope to have made our small contribution, 
+
+178
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+good luck in this project.
+
+179
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+Thank you
+
+180
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+We will continue elsewhere if we want to know more the website is
+
+181
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+mageia.org
+
+182
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+m-a-g-e-i-a
+
+183
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+Anne Nicolas, thank you very much.
+
+184
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+ Thanks
+
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; [...]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google translate to english:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; new guest Anne Nicolas,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into <span style=" font-weight:600;">ENGLISH</span>, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I used the software &quot;Subtitle Editor 0.36.2&quot; (http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/)  in Mandriva 2010.1. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000;">W</span><span style=" color:#000000;">ith this file and this software, can be done easily translated into other languages.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">There is a wiki (http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/wiki/doku.php?id=manual:translation) with documentation about how to do a translation with &quot;</span>Subtitle Editor&quot;<span style=" color:#000000;">. </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Using the &quot;Subtitle Editor&quot;, y<span style=" color:#000000;">ou open this file with subtitles in english and  select the toolbar &quot;view&quot; and &quot;translate&quot;. </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">But I call attention to the need to save the translation in a separate file. This is done in the (toolbar) &quot;File&quot; &quot;save&quot; and &quot;save translation&quot;. give a &quot;new name&quot; and &quot;ok&quot;.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
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+Paris, oct - 2010
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+Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of Open World Forum
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+We will now turn to another topic with our
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+new guest Anne Nicolas, Hello
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+(Anne Nicolas)  Hello
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+So you work for a community called Mageia
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+Absolutely
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+But then there are our listeners are saying
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+ "but never heard Mageia speaking, 
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+what is it that the promotion of this new thing"
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+is a Mageia fork of Mandriva?
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+Quite
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+It remembers Mandriva,
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+Mandriva I had left in my head a time when
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+ there were many financial difficulties,
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+ it was not well what it was going to give.
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+ Tell us a little bit what happened
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+and what made you want 
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+to create this Mageia fork.
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+This fork Mageia came 
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+a whole lot of uncertainties that reside in Mandriva, 
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+I was myself employed by a subsidiary of Mandriva. 
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+It was felt there had been 12 years 
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+of tremendous work performed on this distribution 
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+and need to sustain this effort
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+ and we wanted 
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+to abstract from the presence a company 
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+that had high and low economic level 
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+and we decided to fork, ie 
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+resume distribution Mandriva Linux
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+one point from a copy simply 
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+because the license allows
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+and assembling a new project from there and only Community
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+within an association 
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+and the project is called Mageia.
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+So it's very fashionable because ultimately what you have done,
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+people from the MySQL community did 
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+at the time of acquisition by Oracle,
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+ they accepted the takeover by Sun, 
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+they have not accepted the takeover by Oracle.
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+We learned yesterday that the OpenOffice community 
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+was doing the same thing too 
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+because they do not agree with the direction of Oracle.
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+So finally for those who do not know 
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+where all these terms, a Forking 
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+is that you can resume the original source code
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+and create for the moment exactly the same thing, a true copy?
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+Altogether, it does not reinvent the wheel,
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+ since I mentioned earlier,
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+ we believe many technology integrated 
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+with Mandriva Linux,
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+ we think it's really a strong point, 
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+but it would work differently 
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+in the development of future distribution
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+Mageia So it'll be a 1901 association therefore non-profit?
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+Quite
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+built around the community, 
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+developers in fact,
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+ it is community developers 
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+who are members of the association?
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+Then the members of the association will overlap
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+ with the full scope of that affect people
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+ directly or indirectly to a distribution. 
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+It will be developers, people who are 
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+packaging software, testers translators, 
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+but also because today what users. The strength
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+ of a distribution is the ability of its community
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+users to promote the distribution 
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+so they have a part quite predominant and essential 
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+in the association.
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+So it begs the question
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+ why an association?
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+ You think today is the best way 
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+to work together on a project like this?
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+Found that the values of freedom today 
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+are that it can be a little demanding 
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+on the necessity of sharing 
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+the sustainability of the  software, etc.. 
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+and given the history and challenges of the time,
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+Mandriva has been estimated that a community project 
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+was more appropriate and
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+the association is only there to regulate 
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+the use of resources organization, so yes there is a 
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+community project but organized in a lasting way.
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+ At the same time we must live,
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+ you were employed by a company 
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+that working on Mandriva, 
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+you may have wanted to find a job and back wages
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+Yes, it would be nice.
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+It must be that all that great, 
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+how is what generates the income fully associative structure?
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+ Then the association is one thing, 
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+it produces a product that Mageia 
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+which is called a distribution.
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+We can consider a perfectly
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+ commercial structure that will act in the periphery of the association and 
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+will based on the distribution called Mageia and 
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+will offer a whole lots of service as support,
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+ consulting, development, 
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+thereby help the company take this product 
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+has tremendous community strength 
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+and integrate it into its array of solutions it may have.
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+So now you're faced with a number of needs,
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+urgent first need we will try to answer them all 
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+is to make a bit of noise around Mageia 
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+because nobody knows.
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+Nobody knows the outdoors in the little world of open source.
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+I admit that we were very pleasantly surprised 
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+by the return because not Mandriva only the present community 
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+has reacted to the announcement and acceded 
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+but also because people using Mandrake at the time
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+ and returning because he believes 
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+it is a little more to their expectation that they and their vision 
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+of an open source distribution.
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+ Be careful what is called the 
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+navel syndrome, which that people who know you and 
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+you know how difficult it is to ensure that those who do not know 
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+you have the reflex to go see Mageia 
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+rather because he must say things very clear shot of you
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+become a little competition from Mandriva?
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+Quite
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+ How is what you do to try to promote this new brand, 
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+because it costs money as all that?
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+Is finally starting very small 
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+since the initiative was made very short time,
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+ we launched an appeal for donations 
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+which currently meets extremely well, we had solutions 
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+to enable us to host our entire infrastructure, a
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+nd we will try to sustain it in companies adhering to the association,
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+ and finally it becomes account that there are many users who understand 
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+that the Free software is not necessarily free and 
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+that I can to support the distribution rather than put a little money 
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+every month by example 
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+since I know that this money will be used so transparent 
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+and maintaining a number of value. 
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+We have many returns on that front.
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+ And do you think that you will generate enough money eventually 
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+pay people who will permanently work
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+distribution?
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+Immediate not within the Association, 
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+cons in a business structure 
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+that offer services can be more traditional 
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+here we can actually generate income 
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+and that income may possibly be
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+ used to fund developments
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+additional distribution
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+Very good transition, is what you have already thought about it
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+should evolve within Mageia that it continues to meet required? 
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+At the same time Mandriva 
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+was in trouble for some time that therefore
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+ may be missing a bit of development, 
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+is what you want do new things?
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+So yes, there are plenty of things we want to do, lots of things.
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+Among others, there is a huge strength is the 
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+control center, the Linux Control Center 
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+and now it's to change,
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+the rejuvenate because it's true that it is a little older and then
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+why not move towards architectures 
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+that are increasingly used as shelves for example, 
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+and can also switch to
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+openness to services like cloud, etc..
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+ so all that they are guidelines
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+ that will define in the coming weeks.
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+You have a real functioning associations, participatory?
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+Quite
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+You will meet regularly?
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+While meeting a little bit special as they will because the virtual 
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+community Mageia is international, 
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+ie, it's a lot in Europe, South America, so 
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+in these cases we do can not do real meetings, 
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+the fact remains that these are people who are accustomed 
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+to working in that way, remote, 
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+so yes it will meetings, as each interest group, 
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+we will have a board to manage the association 
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+to make a strategic decision, 
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+especially so many communication, perhaps what we missed.
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+Okay, we hope to have made our small contribution, 
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+good luck in this project.
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+Thank you
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+We will continue elsewhere if we want to know more the website is
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+mageia.org
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+m-a-g-e-i-a
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+Anne Nicolas, thank you very much.
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+ Thanks
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; [...]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google translate to english:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; new guest Anne Nicolas,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into <span style=" font-weight:600;">ENGLISH</span>, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I used the software &quot;Subtitle Editor 0.36.2&quot; (http://home.gna.org/subtitleeditor/)  in Mandriva 2010.1. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a><span style=" color:#000000;">W</span><span style=" color:#000000;">ith this file and this software, can be done easily translated into other languages.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">There is a wiki (http://kitone.free.fr/subtitleeditor/wiki/doku.php?id=manual:translation) with documentation about how to do a translation with &quot;</span>Subtitle Editor&quot;<span style=" color:#000000;">. </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Using the &quot;Subtitle Editor&quot;, y<span style=" color:#000000;">ou open this file with subtitles in english and  select the toolbar &quot;view&quot; and &quot;translate&quot;. </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#000000;">But I call attention to the need to save the translation in a separate file. This is done in the (toolbar) &quot;File&quot; &quot;save&quot; and &quot;save translation&quot;. give a &quot;new name&quot; and &quot;ok&quot;.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#000000;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>attached file name --&gt;&gt; (Subtitle_Anne-Nicolas_October-2010_english.srt)</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will help with testing, perhaps more.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we&#39;ll see how this is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ?<br>
+
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote><div>�</div></div>From what I&#39;ve seen the interface with bugzilla would be sql/xml-rpc , the same as for (neo)sophie. So generic code could be common. <br>You seem to use Symfony (1.4 I presume) with Propel. Is there a plugin for sql/xml-rpc ? If yes, have you selected one ? <br>
+<br>Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla&#39;s ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 22:38, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le jeudi 4 novembre 2010 02:00:22, Frederic Janssens a �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I will help with testing, perhaps more.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Thanks. You help will be welcome. I also think that information must flow between bugzilla and mageia-app-db as much as possible, we&#39;ll see how this is possible. Maybe this is a part of the project you could investigate ?<br>
+
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote><div>�</div></div>From what I&#39;ve seen the interface with bugzilla would be sql/xml-rpc , the same as for (neo)sophie. So generic code could be common. <br>You seem to use Symfony (1.4 I presume) with Propel. Is there a plugin for sql/xml-rpc ? If yes, have you selected one ? <br>
+<br>Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla&#39;s ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 21:53, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I don&#39;t know what you mean for sql/xml-rpc. There are functions to query a database or to issue xml-rpc requests, however I don&#39;t see what a plugin doing both is :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>Perhaps I got it wrong, I thought the query to the sql database went trough an xml-rpc request.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be<br>
+&gt; reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla&#39;s ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Reasonable I don&#39;t know, but why not. <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com" target="_blank">doc4.mandriva.com</a> seems to link to debian&#39;s bugzilla. However, linking to upstream bugzilla&#39;s may be outside mageia-app-db&#39;s scope, however nothing prevents from studying its feasability.<br clear="all">
+<br></blockquote><div>Ok, for later.<br>I did&#39;nt know <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com/" target="_blank">doc4</a>. I suppose it was too heavy to be considered ?<br></div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+I don&#39;t know what you mean for sql/xml-rpc. There are functions to query a database or to issue xml-rpc requests, however I don&#39;t see what a plugin doing both is :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div>Perhaps I got it wrong, I thought the query to the sql database went trough an xml-rpc request.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Another aspect : the priority is clearly Mageia-bugzilla, but would it be<br>
+&gt; reasonable later on to try to take on (some) upstream bugzilla&#39;s ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Reasonable I don&#39;t know, but why not. <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com" target="_blank">doc4.mandriva.com</a> seems to link to debian&#39;s bugzilla. However, linking to upstream bugzilla&#39;s may be outside mageia-app-db&#39;s scope, however nothing prevents from studying its feasability.<br clear="all">
+<br></blockquote><div>Ok, for later.<br>I did&#39;nt know <a href="http://doc4.mandriva.com/" target="_blank">doc4</a>. I suppose it was too heavy to be considered ?<br></div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:21, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a<br><div><div class="h5">
+&gt; page giving a synthetic view :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy)<br>
+&gt; columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron)<br>
+&gt; � � � � with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests)<br>
+&gt; � � � � and simple visual representation of stats : usage, &quot;satisfaction&quot;,<br>
+&gt; � � � � &quot;open bugs&quot; �... (with link to details)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Sounds great. I had something similar in mind. Do you think you could try to design this page&#39;s layout and content (on paper, in oodraw, or any other tool), so that we can visualize the needed features ?<br>
+
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>Will do.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:21, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; Another aspect I have been thinking about is to have, per package/app, a<br><div><div class="h5">
+&gt; page giving a synthetic view :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; lines = versions of the app (reverse chrolonogy)<br>
+&gt; columns = versions of Mageia (and cauldron)<br>
+&gt; � � � � with rpm availability, updates, backports (actual, or requests)<br>
+&gt; � � � � and simple visual representation of stats : usage, &quot;satisfaction&quot;,<br>
+&gt; � � � � &quot;open bugs&quot; �... (with link to details)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Sounds great. I had something similar in mind. Do you think you could try to design this page&#39;s layout and content (on paper, in oodraw, or any other tool), so that we can visualize the needed features ?<br>
+
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>Will do.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,000
+Paris, outubro de 2010
+
+2
+00:00:05,700 --> 00:00:10,000
+Ola a todos, bem-vindo a TV do Open World Forum
+
+3
+00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:12,000
+ vamos agora a outro topico com a 
+
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+nossa nova convidada, Anne Nicolas, Olá
+
+5
+00:00:14,700 --> 00:00:15,700
+(Anne Nicolas)  Olá
+
+6
+00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:19,200
+Entao voce trabalha para uma comunidade chamada Mageia?
+
+7
+00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:20,000
+(AN) - Sim
+
+8
+00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,400
+Mas os nossos ouvintes estão dizendo
+
+9
+00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:23,000
+ que nunca ouviram falar em Mageia, 
+
+10
+00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000
+o que é a promoção dessa novidade? 
+
+11
+00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,400
+A Mageia e um fork do Mandriva?
+
+12
+00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400
+Exatamente
+
+13
+00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,000
+Isso lembra Mandriva.
+
+14
+00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200
+ Eu tinha lembro  que há um tempo
+
+15
+00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,000
+a Mandriva estava com muitas dificuldades financeiras
+
+16
+00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000
+e ninguém sabia no que ia dar.
+
+17
+00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,500
+Conte-nos um pouco o que aconteceu 
+
+18
+00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,000
+ e o porque vocês desejaram 
+
+19
+00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,500
+criar este fork Mageia.
+
+20
+00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000
+(AN) Este fork Mageia resulta
+
+21
+00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000
+de um conjunto de incertezas que haviam na Mandriva.
+
+22
+00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100
+Eu era contratada  por uma subsidiária da Mandriva. 
+
+23
+00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000
+Considerou-se que houve 12 anos
+
+24
+00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000
+de trabalho extraordinário realizado nesta distribuição 
+
+25
+00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000
+ e a necessidade de preservar este esforço 
+
+26
+00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000
+e para preservar este esforço  nós buscamos 
+
+27
+00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000
+excluir, finalmente, a presença de uma empresa 
+
+28
+00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000
+que tinha alto e baixos econômicos 
+
+29
+00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000
+e decidimos criar um fork, ou seja, 
+
+30
+00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000
+recomeçar a distribuição Mandriva Linux 
+
+31
+00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000
+a partir de uma cópia, simplesmente 
+
+32
+00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000
+porque a licença permite 
+
+33
+00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,500
+e montar um novo projeto a partir dali, somente com a comunidade 
+
+34
+00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000
+dentro de uma associação 
+
+35
+00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000
+e o projeto se chama atualmente Mageia.
+
+36
+00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,500
+Então isso é muito elegante, porque afinal, o que vocês fizeram,
+
+37
+00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,200
+ as pessoas da comunidade MySQL  também fizeram 
+
+38
+00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000
+no momento da aquisição pela Oracle. 
+
+39
+00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000
+Eles aceitaram a aquisição da MySQL pela Sun, 
+
+40
+00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,500
+mas eles não aceitaram a aquisição pela Oracle. 
+
+41
+00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,000
+Soubemos ontem que a comunidade OpenOffice
+
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+00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000
+ fez a mesma coisa também
+
+43
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+porque eles não concordam com a direção da Oracle.
+
+44
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+ Então, finalmente, para aqueles que não sabem
+
+45
+00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000
+ de onde vem de todos esses termos, um fork 
+
+46
+00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,500
+é  aquele você pode retomar o código fonte original  
+
+47
+00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,800
+e criar a partir dali,  exatamente a mesma coisa, uma cópia fiel?
+
+48
+00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000
+Exatamente, não reinventar a roda.  
+
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+Como eu já mencionei anteriormente, 
+
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+nós acreditamos em muitas tecnologias integradas 
+
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+na distribuição Mandriva Linux,  
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+nós pensamos que é  realmente um ponto forte, 
+
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+ mas que irão trabalhar de forma diferente 
+
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+ no desenvolvimento da futura distribuição.
+
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+Mageia vai ser, então, uma associação sem fins lucrativos?
+
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+Exatamente
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+Construída em torno da comunidade,
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+ os desenvolvedores de fato,
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+00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,500
+ É essa a comunidade de desenvolvedores 
+
+60
+00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500
+que são os membros da associação?
+
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+Então, os membros da associação irá incluir
+
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+o todo a gama de pessoas  afetadas  finalmente, 
+
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+direta ou indiretamente pela distribuição. 
+
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+00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000
+Serão desenvolvedores, pessoas que são 
+
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+empacotadores de software, testadores e tradutores, 
+
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+mas também os usuários, porque hoje a  força 
+
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+00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000
+de uma distribuição é  a  capacidade dos usuários
+
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+00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000
+ de sua comunidade para promover a distribuição 
+
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+00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000
+de modo que eles têm um papel muito preponderante e essencial 
+
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+00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000
+para a associação.
+
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+00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000
+ Por isso, repito  a pergunta: 
+
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+porque uma associação? 
+
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+00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000
+Você acha que hoje é a melhor maneira 
+
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+de trabalhar juntos em um projeto como este?
+
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+00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000
+Percebe-se que  os valores de liberdade hoje 
+
+76
+00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,000
+pode ser um pouco exigente 
+
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+00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000
+quanto à necessidade de compartilhar a 
+
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+00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:28,000
+sustentabilidade do software, etc.
+
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+00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000
+ e dada a história e os desafios da Mandriva no tempo,
+
+80
+00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000
+ foi considerado que um projeto comunitário
+
+81
+00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000
+ era mais adequado e  
+
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+00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000
+ a associação é apenas para regulamentar 
+
+83
+00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000
+ a utilização  dos recursos da organização. Então sim, há um 
+
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+00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000
+projeto de comunidade, mas organizada de forma duradoura.
+
+85
+00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,000
+Ao mesmo tempo hoje nós precisamos viver, 
+
+86
+00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000
+você era contratada por uma empresa 
+
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+00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000
+que trabalhava para Mandriva, 
+
+88
+00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000
+ você pode desejar encontrar um emprego e salários atrasados
+
+89
+00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000
+AN - sim, seria bom
+
+90
+00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000
+Isso deve ser tudo de bom, mas  
+
+91
+00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500
+como é o que se gera a renda numa estrutura associativa?
+
+92
+00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,500
+Então, a associação é uma coisa, 
+
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+00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,100
+ela desenvolve um produto chamado Mageia, 
+
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+00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000
+que é uma distribuição.
+
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+00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000
+ É perfeitamente possível considerar uma 
+
+96
+00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000
+estrutura comercial que irá atuar na periferia da associação e
+
+97
+00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000
+ será baseada na distribuição chamada Mageia e 
+
+98
+00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000
+vai oferecer uma série de serviços como suporte, 
+
+99
+00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000
+consultoria, desenvolvimento,
+
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+00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,000
+ a fim de ajudar a comunidade empresarial a usar este produto,
+
+101
+00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000
+ que tem uma força tremenda, 
+
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+00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,200
+e integrá-lo ao seu conjunto de solução disponíveis.  
+
+103
+00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200
+Agora você se depara com uma série de necessidades, 
+
+104
+00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000
+a primeira necessidade que nós iremos tentar responder a todos 
+
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+00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000
+é fazer um pouco de barulho em torno Mageia,
+
+106
+00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,200
+ porque ninguém conhece.
+
+107
+00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000
+Ninguém conhece fora do pequeno mundo do software livre.
+
+108
+00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,000
+Mas eu admito que fomos muito agradavelmente surpreendido
+
+109
+00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000
+ com o retorno, pois não só a comunidade Mandriva
+
+110
+00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000
+ reagiu aos anúncios e aderiu, 
+
+111
+00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:12,000
+mas também as pessoas que usaram o Mandrake
+
+112
+00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000
+ voltaram, porque acreditam que atende 
+
+113
+00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000
+um pouco mais a sua expectativa e sua visão 
+
+114
+00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000
+do que é uma distribuição de código aberto.
+
+115
+00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000
+Deve haver cuidado com o que é chamado de
+
+116
+00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000
+ síndrome do umbigo, do fato das pessoas que te conhecerem 
+
+117
+00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000
+e o desafio de lidar com que aqueles que não sabem 
+
+118
+00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000
+que você tem a preferência pela Mageia, 
+
+119
+00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000
+por isso se deve dizer as coisas bem claras por você se tornar 
+
+120
+00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,800
+um pouco concorrente do Mandriva?
+
+121
+00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,000
+Bastante
+
+122
+00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700
+Como é que você faz para tentar promover esta nova marca, 
+
+123
+00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,000
+porque tudo isso custa dinheiro?
+
+124
+00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000
+Finalmente está começando, muito pequeno, 
+
+125
+00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000
+desde que a decisão foi tomada há muito pouco tempo, 
+
+126
+00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,200
+lançamos um apelo por doações 
+
+127
+00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,000
+que atualmente nos atende muito bem,  temos soluções
+
+128
+00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000
+ que nos permitem hospedar nossa infra-estrutura inteira,
+
+129
+00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:07,000
+ e vamos tentar mantê-la com as empresas aderirem a Associação. 
+
+130
+00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:14,000
+E, finalmente, existem muitos usuários que entendem 
+
+131
+00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,500
+que o software livre não é  necessariamente gratuito e 
+
+132
+00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,000
+que pode apoiar a distribuição ajudando com um pouco de dinheiro
+
+133
+00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000
+ a cada mês por exemplo, 
+
+134
+00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000
+pois sabe que esse dinheiro será usado de forma  transparente
+
+135
+00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000
+ e para manutenção. 
+
+136
+00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,500
+Temos muitos retornos nessa frente.
+
+137
+00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000
+E você acha que vai gerar dinheiro suficiente, eventualmente, 
+
+138
+00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000
+para pagar as pessoas que trabalham permanentemente 
+
+139
+00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000
+na distribuição?
+
+140
+00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,000
+No futuro imediato, não dentro da Associação, 
+
+141
+00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000
+mas ao contrario, em uma estrutura comercial, 
+
+142
+00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000
+que ofereça serviços que podem ser mais tradicionais, 
+
+143
+00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000
+onde nós podemos realmente gerar renda
+
+144
+00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000
+ e que os rendimentos eventualmente poderão ser
+
+145
+00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000
+usadas para financiar desenvolvimentos 
+
+146
+00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000
+adicionais da distribuição.
+
+147
+00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,000
+Muito boa transição, você já pensou que é necessário 
+
+148
+00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000
+melhorar dentro Mageia ?
+
+149
+00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000
+Porque, ao mesmo tempo, o Mandriva estava com 
+
+150
+00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000
+problemas há algum tempo e, portanto, 
+
+151
+00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000
+pode estar faltando um pouco de desenvolvimento, 
+
+152
+00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000
+quais as coisas novas que voces querem fazer?
+
+153
+00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000
+Sim, há uma abundância das coisas que queremos fazer, muitas coisas. 
+
+154
+00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000
+Entre outras, há um ponto forte que é o  
+
+155
+00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000
+ Centro de Controle de configuração do linux 
+
+156
+00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000
+e agora está evoluindo, 
+
+157
+00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000
+rejuvenescendo porque é verdade que está um pouco velha e
+
+158
+00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000
+por que não avançar para as arquiteturas 
+
+159
+00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000
+que são cada vez mais utilizados, "tablets", por exemplo, 
+
+160
+00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000
+ pode também mudar para a
+
+161
+00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000
+ inclusão de serviços como "nuvens", etc.
+
+162
+00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000
+Então, todas essa são diretrizes irão 
+
+163
+00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,500
+ser definidas nas próximas semanas.
+
+164
+00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,500
+Você tem uma  associações  em funcionamento, real, participativa?
+
+165
+00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,000
+Muito, Muito.
+
+166
+00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000
+Vocês vão se reúnem regularmente?
+
+167
+00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,500
+Por enquanto, o encontro é um pouco especial, pois será virtual, 
+
+168
+00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,400
+porque a comunidade Mandriva é internacional, Mageia (perdão) 
+
+169
+00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,500
+ou seja, muitos estão na Europa, América do Sul, então,
+
+170
+00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,000
+ neste caso o não podemos fazer reuniões real. 
+
+171
+00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,000
+A verdade é que estas são as pessoas estão acostumados 
+
+172
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+a trabalhando dessa forma, à distância, 
+
+173
+00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:19,000
+então sim, haverá reuniões, com cada grupo de interesse, 
+
+174
+00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000
+teremos uma Diretoria para administrar a associação
+
+175
+00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,500
+ e tomar as decisões estratégicas, 
+
+176
+00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:27,000
+especialmente muita comunicação, talvez o que nós perdemos.
+
+177
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+Ok, esperamos ter dado a nossa pequena contribuição, 
+
+178
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+Boa sorte no projeto.
+
+179
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+Obrigado
+
+180
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+Vamos continuar em outro lugar, quem quiser saber mais o site é...
+
+181
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+mageia.org
+
+182
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+m-a-g-e-i-a
+
+183
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+Anne Nicolas, Muito obrigado 
+
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+Obrigada
+
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Op dinsdag 02 november 2010 18:19:45 schreef Olivier Méjean:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; [...]</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google translate to english:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; new guest Anne Nicolas,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into Portuguese, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
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+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p>
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+Paris, outubro de 2010
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+Ola a todos, bem-vindo a TV do Open World Forum
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+ vamos agora a outro topico com a 
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+nossa nova convidada, Anne Nicolas, Olá
+
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+(Anne Nicolas)  Olá
+
+6
+00:00:15,700 --> 00:00:19,200
+Entao voce trabalha para uma comunidade chamada Mageia?
+
+7
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+(AN) - Sim
+
+8
+00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:21,400
+Mas os nossos ouvintes estão dizendo
+
+9
+00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:23,000
+ que nunca ouviram falar em Mageia, 
+
+10
+00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,000
+o que é a promoção dessa novidade? 
+
+11
+00:00:26,100 --> 00:00:29,400
+A Mageia e um fork do Mandriva?
+
+12
+00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:30,400
+Exatamente
+
+13
+00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,000
+Isso lembra Mandriva.
+
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+00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:34,200
+ Eu tinha lembro  que há um tempo
+
+15
+00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,000
+a Mandriva estava com muitas dificuldades financeiras
+
+16
+00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:39,000
+e ninguém sabia no que ia dar.
+
+17
+00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:40,500
+Conte-nos um pouco o que aconteceu 
+
+18
+00:00:40,500 --> 00:00:43,000
+ e o porque vocês desejaram 
+
+19
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+criar este fork Mageia.
+
+20
+00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,000
+(AN) Este fork Mageia resulta
+
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+00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,000
+de um conjunto de incertezas que haviam na Mandriva.
+
+22
+00:00:53,100 --> 00:00:57,100
+Eu era contratada  por uma subsidiária da Mandriva. 
+
+23
+00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000
+Considerou-se que houve 12 anos
+
+24
+00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,000
+de trabalho extraordinário realizado nesta distribuição 
+
+25
+00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,000
+ e a necessidade de preservar este esforço 
+
+26
+00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,000
+e para preservar este esforço  nós buscamos 
+
+27
+00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,000
+excluir, finalmente, a presença de uma empresa 
+
+28
+00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,000
+que tinha alto e baixos econômicos 
+
+29
+00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:23,000
+e decidimos criar um fork, ou seja, 
+
+30
+00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,000
+recomeçar a distribuição Mandriva Linux 
+
+31
+00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,000
+a partir de uma cópia, simplesmente 
+
+32
+00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,000
+porque a licença permite 
+
+33
+00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,500
+e montar um novo projeto a partir dali, somente com a comunidade 
+
+34
+00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,000
+dentro de uma associação 
+
+35
+00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,000
+e o projeto se chama atualmente Mageia.
+
+36
+00:01:39,500 --> 00:01:41,500
+Então isso é muito elegante, porque afinal, o que vocês fizeram,
+
+37
+00:01:41,500 --> 00:01:44,200
+ as pessoas da comunidade MySQL  também fizeram 
+
+38
+00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,000
+no momento da aquisição pela Oracle. 
+
+39
+00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,000
+Eles aceitaram a aquisição da MySQL pela Sun, 
+
+40
+00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,500
+mas eles não aceitaram a aquisição pela Oracle. 
+
+41
+00:01:49,500 --> 00:01:52,000
+Soubemos ontem que a comunidade OpenOffice
+
+42
+00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,000
+ fez a mesma coisa também
+
+43
+00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,500
+porque eles não concordam com a direção da Oracle.
+
+44
+00:01:56,500 --> 00:01:59,000
+ Então, finalmente, para aqueles que não sabem
+
+45
+00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,000
+ de onde vem de todos esses termos, um fork 
+
+46
+00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,500
+é  aquele você pode retomar o código fonte original  
+
+47
+00:02:04,500 --> 00:02:06,800
+e criar a partir dali,  exatamente a mesma coisa, uma cópia fiel?
+
+48
+00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000
+Exatamente, não reinventar a roda.  
+
+49
+00:02:09,100 --> 00:02:10,100
+Como eu já mencionei anteriormente, 
+
+50
+00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:14,000
+nós acreditamos em muitas tecnologias integradas 
+
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+00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,500
+na distribuição Mandriva Linux,  
+
+52
+00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,700
+nós pensamos que é  realmente um ponto forte, 
+
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+00:02:18,700 --> 00:02:22,000
+ mas que irão trabalhar de forma diferente 
+
+54
+00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,000
+ no desenvolvimento da futura distribuição.
+
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+00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,700
+Mageia vai ser, então, uma associação sem fins lucrativos?
+
+56
+00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:30,000
+Exatamente
+
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+00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,000
+Construída em torno da comunidade,
+
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+00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:33,400
+ os desenvolvedores de fato,
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+59
+00:02:33,500 --> 00:02:34,500
+ É essa a comunidade de desenvolvedores 
+
+60
+00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:35,500
+que são os membros da associação?
+
+61
+00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,000
+Então, os membros da associação irá incluir
+
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+00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,000
+o todo a gama de pessoas  afetadas  finalmente, 
+
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+00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,000
+direta ou indiretamente pela distribuição. 
+
+64
+00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,000
+Serão desenvolvedores, pessoas que são 
+
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+00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:50,000
+empacotadores de software, testadores e tradutores, 
+
+66
+00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:54,000
+mas também os usuários, porque hoje a  força 
+
+67
+00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,000
+de uma distribuição é  a  capacidade dos usuários
+
+68
+00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,000
+ de sua comunidade para promover a distribuição 
+
+69
+00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,000
+de modo que eles têm um papel muito preponderante e essencial 
+
+70
+00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,000
+para a associação.
+
+71
+00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,000
+ Por isso, repito  a pergunta: 
+
+72
+00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,000
+porque uma associação? 
+
+73
+00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,000
+Você acha que hoje é a melhor maneira 
+
+74
+00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,500
+de trabalhar juntos em um projeto como este?
+
+75
+00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,000
+Percebe-se que  os valores de liberdade hoje 
+
+76
+00:03:20,100 --> 00:03:23,000
+pode ser um pouco exigente 
+
+77
+00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,000
+quanto à necessidade de compartilhar a 
+
+78
+00:03:25,100 --> 00:03:28,000
+sustentabilidade do software, etc.
+
+79
+00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:35,000
+ e dada a história e os desafios da Mandriva no tempo,
+
+80
+00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,000
+ foi considerado que um projeto comunitário
+
+81
+00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,000
+ era mais adequado e  
+
+82
+00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:43,000
+ a associação é apenas para regulamentar 
+
+83
+00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:47,000
+ a utilização  dos recursos da organização. Então sim, há um 
+
+84
+00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,000
+projeto de comunidade, mas organizada de forma duradoura.
+
+85
+00:03:51,500 --> 00:03:54,000
+Ao mesmo tempo hoje nós precisamos viver, 
+
+86
+00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,000
+você era contratada por uma empresa 
+
+87
+00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,000
+que trabalhava para Mandriva, 
+
+88
+00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,000
+ você pode desejar encontrar um emprego e salários atrasados
+
+89
+00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,000
+AN - sim, seria bom
+
+90
+00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,000
+Isso deve ser tudo de bom, mas  
+
+91
+00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,500
+como é o que se gera a renda numa estrutura associativa?
+
+92
+00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,500
+Então, a associação é uma coisa, 
+
+93
+00:04:08,500 --> 00:04:12,100
+ela desenvolve um produto chamado Mageia, 
+
+94
+00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,000
+que é uma distribuição.
+
+95
+00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,000
+ É perfeitamente possível considerar uma 
+
+96
+00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,000
+estrutura comercial que irá atuar na periferia da associação e
+
+97
+00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,000
+ será baseada na distribuição chamada Mageia e 
+
+98
+00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,000
+vai oferecer uma série de serviços como suporte, 
+
+99
+00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,000
+consultoria, desenvolvimento,
+
+100
+00:04:28,100 --> 00:04:32,000
+ a fim de ajudar a comunidade empresarial a usar este produto,
+
+101
+00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,000
+ que tem uma força tremenda, 
+
+102
+00:04:35,100 --> 00:04:40,200
+e integrá-lo ao seu conjunto de solução disponíveis.  
+
+103
+00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:44,200
+Agora você se depara com uma série de necessidades, 
+
+104
+00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,000
+a primeira necessidade que nós iremos tentar responder a todos 
+
+105
+00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,000
+é fazer um pouco de barulho em torno Mageia,
+
+106
+00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:50,200
+ porque ninguém conhece.
+
+107
+00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:57,000
+Ninguém conhece fora do pequeno mundo do software livre.
+
+108
+00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,000
+Mas eu admito que fomos muito agradavelmente surpreendido
+
+109
+00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:04,000
+ com o retorno, pois não só a comunidade Mandriva
+
+110
+00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,000
+ reagiu aos anúncios e aderiu, 
+
+111
+00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:12,000
+mas também as pessoas que usaram o Mandrake
+
+112
+00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,000
+ voltaram, porque acreditam que atende 
+
+113
+00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,000
+um pouco mais a sua expectativa e sua visão 
+
+114
+00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000
+do que é uma distribuição de código aberto.
+
+115
+00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,000
+Deve haver cuidado com o que é chamado de
+
+116
+00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,000
+ síndrome do umbigo, do fato das pessoas que te conhecerem 
+
+117
+00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,000
+e o desafio de lidar com que aqueles que não sabem 
+
+118
+00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,000
+que você tem a preferência pela Mageia, 
+
+119
+00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,000
+por isso se deve dizer as coisas bem claras por você se tornar 
+
+120
+00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,800
+um pouco concorrente do Mandriva?
+
+121
+00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:36,000
+Bastante
+
+122
+00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:39,700
+Como é que você faz para tentar promover esta nova marca, 
+
+123
+00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,000
+porque tudo isso custa dinheiro?
+
+124
+00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,000
+Finalmente está começando, muito pequeno, 
+
+125
+00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000
+desde que a decisão foi tomada há muito pouco tempo, 
+
+126
+00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,200
+lançamos um apelo por doações 
+
+127
+00:05:51,300 --> 00:05:56,000
+que atualmente nos atende muito bem,  temos soluções
+
+128
+00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,000
+ que nos permitem hospedar nossa infra-estrutura inteira,
+
+129
+00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:07,000
+ e vamos tentar mantê-la com as empresas aderirem a Associação. 
+
+130
+00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:14,000
+E, finalmente, existem muitos usuários que entendem 
+
+131
+00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,500
+que o software livre não é  necessariamente gratuito e 
+
+132
+00:06:16,500 --> 00:06:20,000
+que pode apoiar a distribuição ajudando com um pouco de dinheiro
+
+133
+00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000
+ a cada mês por exemplo, 
+
+134
+00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:26,000
+pois sabe que esse dinheiro será usado de forma  transparente
+
+135
+00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,000
+ e para manutenção. 
+
+136
+00:06:29,100 --> 00:06:32,500
+Temos muitos retornos nessa frente.
+
+137
+00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,000
+E você acha que vai gerar dinheiro suficiente, eventualmente, 
+
+138
+00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,000
+para pagar as pessoas que trabalham permanentemente 
+
+139
+00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,000
+na distribuição?
+
+140
+00:06:40,300 --> 00:06:43,000
+No futuro imediato, não dentro da Associação, 
+
+141
+00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,000
+mas ao contrario, em uma estrutura comercial, 
+
+142
+00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,000
+que ofereça serviços que podem ser mais tradicionais, 
+
+143
+00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,000
+onde nós podemos realmente gerar renda
+
+144
+00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000
+ e que os rendimentos eventualmente poderão ser
+
+145
+00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,000
+usadas para financiar desenvolvimentos 
+
+146
+00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,000
+adicionais da distribuição.
+
+147
+00:06:58,500 --> 00:07:02,000
+Muito boa transição, você já pensou que é necessário 
+
+148
+00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:05,000
+melhorar dentro Mageia ?
+
+149
+00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,000
+Porque, ao mesmo tempo, o Mandriva estava com 
+
+150
+00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,000
+problemas há algum tempo e, portanto, 
+
+151
+00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,000
+pode estar faltando um pouco de desenvolvimento, 
+
+152
+00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,000
+quais as coisas novas que voces querem fazer?
+
+153
+00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:18,000
+Sim, há uma abundância das coisas que queremos fazer, muitas coisas. 
+
+154
+00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:22,000
+Entre outras, há um ponto forte que é o  
+
+155
+00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,000
+ Centro de Controle de configuração do linux 
+
+156
+00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:28,000
+e agora está evoluindo, 
+
+157
+00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:33,000
+rejuvenescendo porque é verdade que está um pouco velha e
+
+158
+00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:38,000
+por que não avançar para as arquiteturas 
+
+159
+00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,000
+que são cada vez mais utilizados, "tablets", por exemplo, 
+
+160
+00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,000
+ pode também mudar para a
+
+161
+00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,000
+ inclusão de serviços como "nuvens", etc.
+
+162
+00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:47,000
+Então, todas essa são diretrizes irão 
+
+163
+00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,500
+ser definidas nas próximas semanas.
+
+164
+00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,500
+Você tem uma  associações  em funcionamento, real, participativa?
+
+165
+00:07:53,500 --> 00:07:55,000
+Muito, Muito.
+
+166
+00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,000
+Vocês vão se reúnem regularmente?
+
+167
+00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,500
+Por enquanto, o encontro é um pouco especial, pois será virtual, 
+
+168
+00:08:00,500 --> 00:08:04,400
+porque a comunidade Mandriva é internacional, Mageia (perdão) 
+
+169
+00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,500
+ou seja, muitos estão na Europa, América do Sul, então,
+
+170
+00:08:09,500 --> 00:08:12,000
+ neste caso o não podemos fazer reuniões real. 
+
+171
+00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:14,000
+A verdade é que estas são as pessoas estão acostumados 
+
+172
+00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,000
+a trabalhando dessa forma, à distância, 
+
+173
+00:08:16,100 --> 00:08:19,000
+então sim, haverá reuniões, com cada grupo de interesse, 
+
+174
+00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,000
+teremos uma Diretoria para administrar a associação
+
+175
+00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,500
+ e tomar as decisões estratégicas, 
+
+176
+00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:27,000
+especialmente muita comunicação, talvez o que nós perdemos.
+
+177
+00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,000
+Ok, esperamos ter dado a nossa pequena contribuição, 
+
+178
+00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,500
+Boa sorte no projeto.
+
+179
+00:08:32,500 --> 00:08:34,000
+Obrigado
+
+180
+00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:40,200
+Vamos continuar em outro lugar, quem quiser saber mais o site é...
+
+181
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+mageia.org
+
+182
+00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:46,000
+m-a-g-e-i-a
+
+183
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+Anne Nicolas, Muito obrigado 
+
+184
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+Obrigada
+
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Terça-feira 02 Novembro 2010, às 16:28:12, Maarten Vanraes escreveu:</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; If i am couragous, i will do an English translation</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; google translate to english:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Philippe Nieuwbourg - Hello everyone, welcome to the TV set of open</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; world forum, we will now turn to another topic with our</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; new guest Anne Nicolas,</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Olá! </p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I'm sending attached the subtitle translated into Portuguese, <a name="result_box"></a>for the video interview with Anne Nicolas.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Cheers!</p>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In portugu�s (pt-br)   and   english  subtitle: </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJGGx9_DzE"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJGGx9_DzE</span></a> </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hugs</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Domingo 07 Novembro 2010, �s 18:58:33, Gonzalo Igartua escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In spanish subtitles</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-funda</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; doras-de-mageia</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2010/11/7 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I uploaded the video with greek subtitles</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In portugu�s (pt-br)   and   english  subtitle: </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJGGx9_DzE"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHJGGx9_DzE</span></a> </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hugs</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">MacXi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em Domingo 07 Novembro 2010, �s 18:58:33, Gonzalo Igartua escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; In spanish subtitles</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-funda</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; doras-de-mageia</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2010/11/7 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I uploaded the video with greek subtitles</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; --</p>
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+I uploaded the video with greek subtitles<div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ</a><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Sans Serif&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"></p></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div>
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+I uploaded the video with greek subtitles<div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ</a><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Sans Serif&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"></p></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div>
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+In spanish subtitles<br><br><br><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-fundadoras-de-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-fundadoras-de-mageia</a><br>
+<br>Cheers<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/7 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I uploaded the video with greek subtitles<div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ</a><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div style="font-family: &#39;Sans Serif&#39;; font-size: 9pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal;">
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+In spanish subtitles<br><br><br><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-fundadoras-de-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/katnatek/entrevista-anne-nicolas-una-de-las-fundadoras-de-mageia</a><br>
+<br>Cheers<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/7 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I uploaded the video with greek subtitles<div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlz6rE4vPGQ</a><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div style="font-family: &#39;Sans Serif&#39;; font-size: 9pt; font-weight: 400; font-style: normal;">
+<p style="margin: 0px; text-indent: 0px;"></p></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, 2 November, 2010 13:23:29<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]<br></font><br>French speaking people can found here an interview of Anne Nicolas about Mageia<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
+ href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s</a><br clear="all"><br><br><br><br>-- <br>
+<div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>--------------------------------------------------------------<br>Congratulations Anne, great interview.<br>People, keep donating to help Mageia take hight!<br><br>Best regards,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Romanian Translation Team<br>
+</div></div>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt;<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Tue, 2 November, 2010 13:23:29<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Mageia-discuss] Interview de Anne Nicolas pour Mageia [french]<br></font><br>French speaking people can found here an interview of Anne Nicolas about Mageia<br><br><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
+ href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4B8Nu2sm8s</a><br clear="all"><br><br><br><br>-- <br>
+<div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>--------------------------------------------------------------<br>Congratulations Anne, great interview.<br>People, keep donating to help Mageia take hight!<br><br>Best regards,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Romanian Translation Team<br>
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+Is LSB going to be used in the ISO &amp; the updates?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/8 Luca Berra <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it">bluca@vodka.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 11:43:46PM +0100, Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On dimanche 07 novembre 2010 at 22:33, Luca Berra wrote :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; you must include all intermediate updates packages to create the delta.<br>
+<br>
+you just have to keep track of package 1 and n-1, not all of them<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+No, because a roll back of a file can happen on any update. If a file is changed in release n-2 and rolled back in n-1, if you only consider packages 1 n-1 and n you miss the roll back for the people who updated to n-2 but missed the update to n-1.<br>
+
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+No, sir,<br>
+<br>
+If n contains n-1 this remains true at every increment of n, so you<br>
+never need to look at n-2 because n-1 already contains it.<br>
+<br>
+But besides the teoric discussions there is no code project to do this,<br>
+so all of this discussion is leading nowere.<br>
+current deltarpm code works by creating binary deltas between two given<br>
+rpms and, besides the fact we are not even sure it works with current<br>
+lzma compressed rpms, the points raised by nanar all hold. so i dont&#39;<br>
+believe we will use deltarpm as it is.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+L.</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Luca Berra -- <a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it" target="_blank">bluca@vodka.it</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Is LSB going to be used in the ISO &amp; the updates?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/8 Luca Berra <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it">bluca@vodka.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sun, Nov 07, 2010 at 11:43:46PM +0100, Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On dimanche 07 novembre 2010 at 22:33, Luca Berra wrote :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&gt; you must include all intermediate updates packages to create the delta.<br>
+<br>
+you just have to keep track of package 1 and n-1, not all of them<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+No, because a roll back of a file can happen on any update. If a file is changed in release n-2 and rolled back in n-1, if you only consider packages 1 n-1 and n you miss the roll back for the people who updated to n-2 but missed the update to n-1.<br>
+
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+No, sir,<br>
+<br>
+If n contains n-1 this remains true at every increment of n, so you<br>
+never need to look at n-2 because n-1 already contains it.<br>
+<br>
+But besides the teoric discussions there is no code project to do this,<br>
+so all of this discussion is leading nowere.<br>
+current deltarpm code works by creating binary deltas between two given<br>
+rpms and, besides the fact we are not even sure it works with current<br>
+lzma compressed rpms, the points raised by nanar all hold. so i dont&#39;<br>
+believe we will use deltarpm as it is.<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+L.</font><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Luca Berra -- <a href="mailto:bluca@vodka.it" target="_blank">bluca@vodka.it</a><br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+2010/11/9 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&quot;Erin Wilkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:erin@sea-dragon.net">erin@sea-dragon.net</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-11-09<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; the i686 _IS_ the default one for x86 cpus<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In the standard installer. But I believe ONE uses 586 to be able to run on<br>
+&gt; as wide a range of hardware as possible.<br>
+</div></div>Exactly! The problem is: the One shell run on all possible machines, so it<br>
+uses the i586 kernel. And there just is not enough space on a CD image to put<br>
+another kernel on it.<br>
+When you&#39;re installing from a Free you get the best kernel for your system.<br>
+With a 32bit system using less then approximately 4GB RAM you&#39;ll get the<br>
+Desktop (i686) kernel, when using more you&#39;ll get the Server kernel.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats may be correct, I dont know I never used the &quot;free&quot; one. The problem is that people with light DSL ( like I do ) cant get the &quot;Free&quot; version of Mandriva ( Mageia ) and the only option is to DL the One Iso. Thats also what I think of. Most people get the One Iso because it is:<br>
+<br>1. A smart Iso, fits on a CD.<br>2. Has all componens Out of the Box ( driver and stuff like that )<br>3. Only ~700MB to download and not 2-3GB ;)<br><br>Thus our main &quot;consumer&quot; are going to DL the One iso. So we have to focus on that. And when there is a Kernel which is going to slow down my System I am not going to use it anymore. I mean what are the main diffrents of them? Only a few configs right? Maybe we do it dynamic and he is autodetecting the System and config the Kernel that way. Is that possible or is then a new building of the Kernel needed? Maybe thats the sulution. I mean where are going to discuss here and it would realy be an improvment, when we allow People to use a modern and fast kernel and not a kernel which is going to slow the system ( well only a bit ) just because there are some people who are proud the use a Pentium II CPU just to be cool. You can get a 64-bit CPU computer for less then 200�. Thats not the problem in my eyes.<br>
+Sure it is correct, that they should use 64-Bit Mandriva. But not everyone is doing it. We talk about general configurations and not about a short group of people. Maybe we should think that way.<br><br>I hope you guys understand what I mean ;)<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br>
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+2010/11/9 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+&quot;Erin Wilkins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:erin@sea-dragon.net">erin@sea-dragon.net</a>&gt; schrieb am 2010-11-09<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; the i686 _IS_ the default one for x86 cpus<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In the standard installer. But I believe ONE uses 586 to be able to run on<br>
+&gt; as wide a range of hardware as possible.<br>
+</div></div>Exactly! The problem is: the One shell run on all possible machines, so it<br>
+uses the i586 kernel. And there just is not enough space on a CD image to put<br>
+another kernel on it.<br>
+When you&#39;re installing from a Free you get the best kernel for your system.<br>
+With a 32bit system using less then approximately 4GB RAM you&#39;ll get the<br>
+Desktop (i686) kernel, when using more you&#39;ll get the Server kernel.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats may be correct, I dont know I never used the &quot;free&quot; one. The problem is that people with light DSL ( like I do ) cant get the &quot;Free&quot; version of Mandriva ( Mageia ) and the only option is to DL the One Iso. Thats also what I think of. Most people get the One Iso because it is:<br>
+<br>1. A smart Iso, fits on a CD.<br>2. Has all componens Out of the Box ( driver and stuff like that )<br>3. Only ~700MB to download and not 2-3GB ;)<br><br>Thus our main &quot;consumer&quot; are going to DL the One iso. So we have to focus on that. And when there is a Kernel which is going to slow down my System I am not going to use it anymore. I mean what are the main diffrents of them? Only a few configs right? Maybe we do it dynamic and he is autodetecting the System and config the Kernel that way. Is that possible or is then a new building of the Kernel needed? Maybe thats the sulution. I mean where are going to discuss here and it would realy be an improvment, when we allow People to use a modern and fast kernel and not a kernel which is going to slow the system ( well only a bit ) just because there are some people who are proud the use a Pentium II CPU just to be cool. You can get a 64-bit CPU computer for less then 200�. Thats not the problem in my eyes.<br>
+Sure it is correct, that they should use 64-Bit Mandriva. But not everyone is doing it. We talk about general configurations and not about a short group of people. Maybe we should think that way.<br><br>I hope you guys understand what I mean ;)<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/9 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+What we do need to think about is a x86_64 live cd<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats a good Idea. Cause Mandiva only has x84 as One iso&#39;s.<br>To the other point:<br>Sure ... you are right and I dont want it to sound like &quot; I have an opinion so we have to do it &quot;. Its only an advice to a problem I see atm. ;)<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/9 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<br>
+What we do need to think about is a x86_64 live cd<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thats a good Idea. Cause Mandiva only has x84 as One iso&#39;s.<br>To the other point:<br>Sure ... you are right and I dont want it to sound like &quot; I have an opinion so we have to do it &quot;. Its only an advice to a problem I see atm. ;)<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Egon<br>
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+<div>I believe I&#39;d like to have a gui to blend in a NON-Mageia package into Mageia&#39;s database. Is that possible?</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>For instance....... let&#39;s say that you find an opensource-program in a repo for another distro (a good example is telegnome).</div>
+<div>You either choose to download the package &amp; install it using a gui to use it in Mageia or you let the installer see what deps are missing and let it add theese to the installation.</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>Anyone understand what I mean?</div>
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+<div>I believe I&#39;d like to have a gui to blend in a NON-Mageia package into Mageia&#39;s database. Is that possible?</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>For instance....... let&#39;s say that you find an opensource-program in a repo for another distro (a good example is telegnome).</div>
+<div>You either choose to download the package &amp; install it using a gui to use it in Mageia or you let the installer see what deps are missing and let it add theese to the installation.</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>Anyone understand what I mean?</div>
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+Hi,<div><br><div>After having contact with Romain d&#39;Alverny i want to now if Mageia supports the icon theme that i presented on <a href="mailto:mageia-artwork@mageia.org">mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a>.</div><div>Maybe this will be the place to have a debate about this.</div>
+</div><div>The icon theme G-Xiria i use is a theme that i allready maked early this year i&#39;m tweaking it and making new icons to fit drak-icons.�</div><div><br></div><div>Here is the preview off icons i allready maked for drak-Mageia�<a href="http://www.linux-look.be/Preview-Mageia-Icons.html">http://www.linux-look.be/Preview-Mageia-Icons.html</a></div>
+<div>Here is a link to G-Xiria icon-theme�<a href="http://www.linux-look.be/gnome-icons.html">http://www.linux-look.be/gnome-icons.html</a></div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><br>
+</div><div>The question is is this a good theme to use for the drak icons ?</div><div>Also could this theme G-Xiria be later used as a standard icon-theme for Mageia?</div><div>And could this be later become the standard theme for KDE and Gnome in Mageia?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Please comment,</div><div><br></div><div>Greetings Gerdy</div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+Hi,<div><br><div>After having contact with Romain d&#39;Alverny i want to now if Mageia supports the icon theme that i presented on <a href="mailto:mageia-artwork@mageia.org">mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a>.</div><div>Maybe this will be the place to have a debate about this.</div>
+</div><div>The icon theme G-Xiria i use is a theme that i allready maked early this year i&#39;m tweaking it and making new icons to fit drak-icons.�</div><div><br></div><div>Here is the preview off icons i allready maked for drak-Mageia�<a href="http://www.linux-look.be/Preview-Mageia-Icons.html">http://www.linux-look.be/Preview-Mageia-Icons.html</a></div>
+<div>Here is a link to G-Xiria icon-theme�<a href="http://www.linux-look.be/gnome-icons.html">http://www.linux-look.be/gnome-icons.html</a></div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><br>
+</div><div>The question is is this a good theme to use for the drak icons ?</div><div>Also could this theme G-Xiria be later used as a standard icon-theme for Mageia?</div><div>And could this be later become the standard theme for KDE and Gnome in Mageia?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Please comment,</div><div><br></div><div>Greetings Gerdy</div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+Hi,<br><br>After having contact with Romain d&#39;Alverny i want to now if Mageia supports the icon theme that i presented on <a href="mailto:mageia-artwork@mageia.org">mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a> ( <a href="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-artwork/2010-November/000007.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-artwork/2010-November/000007.html</a> ) .<br>
+Maybe this will be the place to have a debate about this.<br>The icon-theme G-Xiria i use is a theme that i allready made early this year .<br>I&#39;m tweaking it and making new icons to fit drak-icons.<br><br>Here is the preview off icons i allready maked for drak-mageia <a href="http://www.linux-look.be/Preview-Mageia-Icons.html">http://www.linux-look.be/Preview-Mageia-Icons.html</a><br>
+Here is a link to G-Xiria icon-theme <a href="http://www.linux-look.be/gnome-icons.html">http://www.linux-look.be/gnome-icons.html</a><br><br>The question is is this a good theme to use for the drak-icons that need to be replaced ?<br>
+Also could this theme G-Xiria be later used as a standard icon-theme for Mageia ?<br>And could this be later become the standard theme for KDE and Gnome in Mageia ?<br><br>Please comment.<br><br>Greetings ,<br><br>Gerdy<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>After having contact with Romain d&#39;Alverny i want to now if Mageia supports the icon theme that i presented on <a href="mailto:mageia-artwork@mageia.org">mageia-artwork@mageia.org</a> ( <a href="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-artwork/2010-November/000007.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-artwork/2010-November/000007.html</a> ) .<br>
+Maybe this will be the place to have a debate about this.<br>The icon-theme G-Xiria i use is a theme that i allready made early this year .<br>I&#39;m tweaking it and making new icons to fit drak-icons.<br><br>Here is the preview off icons i allready maked for drak-mageia <a href="http://www.linux-look.be/Preview-Mageia-Icons.html">http://www.linux-look.be/Preview-Mageia-Icons.html</a><br>
+Here is a link to G-Xiria icon-theme <a href="http://www.linux-look.be/gnome-icons.html">http://www.linux-look.be/gnome-icons.html</a><br><br>The question is is this a good theme to use for the drak-icons that need to be replaced ?<br>
+Also could this theme G-Xiria be later used as a standard icon-theme for Mageia ?<br>And could this be later become the standard theme for KDE and Gnome in Mageia ?<br><br>Please comment.<br><br>Greetings ,<br><br>Gerdy<br>
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+Mageia geniuses, please create a consolehelper-QT ;) <br><br><br>
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+Mageia geniuses, please create a consolehelper-QT ;) <br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+ � <br></div><div class="im">
+Bear in mind that apps in either DE expect an icon with a certain<br>
+name/size, having a 3rd party theme isn&#39;t ideal and might produce<br>
+problems, missing icons... etc.<br>
+<br></div></blockquote></blockquote><div>The missing icons can be added later� but now it is important to focus on drak-icons. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+ � <br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+I just tried it under Mandriva 2010.1, I think it&#39;s great. �But, it did cause problems. �KMymoney&#39;s upcoming bills icons are HUGE!. �I&#39;ll figure out how to change just that icon back to the original so it&#39;s not taking up 1/2 of my screen to display, later one tonight. �Other then that, I like it a lot.<br>
+
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>The G-Xiria theme is now only ready for Gnome i did not made it for KDE maybe that is the reason that its to HUGE but that can all by fixed there are also only scalable icons they are made size 256x256<br>
+and are scalable but this can all be fixed by making the theme in smaller sizes<br><br><br>Greetings ,<br><br>Gerdy<br></div><br><div>�</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">
+ � <br></div><div class="im">
+Bear in mind that apps in either DE expect an icon with a certain<br>
+name/size, having a 3rd party theme isn&#39;t ideal and might produce<br>
+problems, missing icons... etc.<br>
+<br></div></blockquote></blockquote><div>The missing icons can be added later� but now it is important to focus on drak-icons. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="im">
+ � <br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+I just tried it under Mandriva 2010.1, I think it&#39;s great. �But, it did cause problems. �KMymoney&#39;s upcoming bills icons are HUGE!. �I&#39;ll figure out how to change just that icon back to the original so it&#39;s not taking up 1/2 of my screen to display, later one tonight. �Other then that, I like it a lot.<br>
+
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>The G-Xiria theme is now only ready for Gnome i did not made it for KDE maybe that is the reason that its to HUGE but that can all by fixed there are also only scalable icons they are made size 256x256<br>
+and are scalable but this can all be fixed by making the theme in smaller sizes<br><br><br>Greetings ,<br><br>Gerdy<br></div><br><div>�</div></div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Very nice modern-looking icons.<br>
+They might be a little complex to show well in miniature (if that applies).<br>
+<br>
+It would be nice to have the name (usage) below each icon, as it&#39;s not always obvious from the icon.<br>
+This applies to all pages displaying icons, not just this particular case.<br>
+Of course anyone regularly using the theme will quickly learn what a particular icon represents.<br>
+<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Hello,<br><br>i added a new preview� with names below and small preview the sizes are 128x128 and 48x48 like in drak control-center <br><br>Greetings <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Very nice modern-looking icons.<br>
+They might be a little complex to show well in miniature (if that applies).<br>
+<br>
+It would be nice to have the name (usage) below each icon, as it&#39;s not always obvious from the icon.<br>
+This applies to all pages displaying icons, not just this particular case.<br>
+Of course anyone regularly using the theme will quickly learn what a particular icon represents.<br>
+<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>Hello,<br><br>i added a new preview� with names below and small preview the sizes are 128x128 and 48x48 like in drak control-center <br><br>Greetings <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/15 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le lundi 15 novembre 2010 � 19:54 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; You already started a discussion about this topic<br>
+<br>
+</div>His email was in the moderation queue, and was approved today. It was<br>
+not obvious it should have been rejected.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>Sorry for that but i did not get any answer to my topic and it was not posted that is why i posted it again.<br><br>Again sorry <br><br>Greetings ,<br><br>Gerdy<br><br>�<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/15 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le lundi 15 novembre 2010 � 19:54 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; You already started a discussion about this topic<br>
+<br>
+</div>His email was in the moderation queue, and was approved today. It was<br>
+not obvious it should have been rejected.<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>Sorry for that but i did not get any answer to my topic and it was not posted that is why i posted it again.<br><br>Again sorry <br><br>Greetings ,<br><br>Gerdy<br><br>�<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/17 Matthieu P <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matt.paret@hotmail.fr">matt.paret@hotmail.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Hello everybody,<br>
+    <br>
+    I&#39;m looking the first short list for logo selection process.<br>
+    (<span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/" style="color: navy; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted navy;" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</a>)</span></span><br>
+
+    <br>
+    I noticed that Qbashi, alexn83, ofaurax proposed logo for Mageia.<br>
+    (and their logo are in the <span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">first short list</span></span>,
+    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/</a>)<br>
+    <br>
+    �I would to know� that they will not vote for their own logo. And I
+    hope there is no exchange of votes.<br>
+    (meeting mageia-artwork <a href="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2010/mageia-artwork.2010-11-17-18.08.html" target="_blank">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2010/mageia-artwork.2010-11-17-18.08.html</a>)<br>
+
+    <br>
+    For the best of Mageia :-)<br>
+    <br>
+    Best regards,<br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu Paret<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></div>Hi Matthieu,<br><br>I can assure you that in terms of voting for ourselves or exchanging the votes� this will not be the case for me.<br>I let everything take its course, and may the best win.<br><br><br>
+Greetings,<br><br><br>Gerdy (alias Qbashi)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/11/17 Matthieu P <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:matt.paret@hotmail.fr">matt.paret@hotmail.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+  
+
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Hello everybody,<br>
+    <br>
+    I&#39;m looking the first short list for logo selection process.<br>
+    (<span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><a href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/" style="color: navy; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px dotted navy;" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</a>)</span></span><br>
+
+    <br>
+    I noticed that Qbashi, alexn83, ofaurax proposed logo for Mageia.<br>
+    (and their logo are in the <span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">first short list</span></span>,
+    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/</a>)<br>
+    <br>
+    �I would to know� that they will not vote for their own logo. And I
+    hope there is no exchange of votes.<br>
+    (meeting mageia-artwork <a href="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2010/mageia-artwork.2010-11-17-18.08.html" target="_blank">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2010/mageia-artwork.2010-11-17-18.08.html</a>)<br>
+
+    <br>
+    For the best of Mageia :-)<br>
+    <br>
+    Best regards,<br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu Paret<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></div>Hi Matthieu,<br><br>I can assure you that in terms of voting for ourselves or exchanging the votes� this will not be the case for me.<br>I let everything take its course, and may the best win.<br><br><br>
+Greetings,<br><br><br>Gerdy (alias Qbashi)<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Hello everybody,<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm looking the first short list for logo selection process.<br>
+    (<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;
+      color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style:
+      normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
+      normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px;
+      text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
+      word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span
+        class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
+        Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><a
+          href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/"
+          style="color: navy; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px
+          dotted navy;">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</a>)</span></span><br>
+    <br>
+    I noticed that Qbashi, alexn83, ofaurax proposed logo for Mageia.<br>
+    (and their logo are in the <span class="Apple-style-span"
+      style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
+      font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant:
+      normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height:
+      normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
+      white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size:
+      medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
+        Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">first short list</span></span>,
+    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/</a>)<br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;I would to know&nbsp; that they will not vote for their own logo. And I
+    hope there is no exchange of votes.<br>
+    (meeting mageia-artwork <a
+href="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2010/mageia-artwork.2010-11-17-18.08.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2010/mageia-artwork.2010-11-17-18.08.html</a>)<br>
+    <br>
+    For the best of Mageia :-)<br>
+    <br>
+    Best regards,<br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu Paret<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Hello everybody,<br>
+    <br>
+    I'm looking the first short list for logo selection process.<br>
+    (<span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate;
+      color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style:
+      normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing:
+      normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px;
+      text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
+      word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span
+        class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
+        Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><a
+          href="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/"
+          style="color: navy; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 1px
+          dotted navy;">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</a>)</span></span><br>
+    <br>
+    I noticed that Qbashi, alexn83, ofaurax proposed logo for Mageia.<br>
+    (and their logo are in the <span class="Apple-style-span"
+      style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
+      font-family: 'Times New Roman'; font-style: normal; font-variant:
+      normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height:
+      normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
+      white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size:
+      medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:
+        Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">first short list</span></span>,
+    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/</a>)<br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;I would to know&nbsp; that they will not vote for their own logo. And I
+    hope there is no exchange of votes.<br>
+    (meeting mageia-artwork <a
+href="http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2010/mageia-artwork.2010-11-17-18.08.html">http://meetbot.mageia.org/mageia-artwork/2010/mageia-artwork.2010-11-17-18.08.html</a>)<br>
+    <br>
+    For the best of Mageia :-)<br>
+    <br>
+    Best regards,<br>
+    <br>
+    Matthieu Paret<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+I like most these:<br><br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/</a><br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/</a><br>
+<br>I think the last one is the classiest and most inspired. To me is light, appealing and dynamic.<br>
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+I like most these:<br><br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/</a><br><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/</a><br>
+<br>I think the last one is the classiest and most inspired. To me is light, appealing and dynamic.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:39 PM, lebarhon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lebarhon@free.fr">lebarhon@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 24/11/2010 20:35, Farfouille a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2) <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5081228522/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5081228522/</a><br>
+<br>
+Top left or bottom left. Simple, related to mageia name and a smart representation of the M letter.<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+And we can also see the motion of the magic wand. I like them definitely.<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>+10<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:39 PM, lebarhon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:lebarhon@free.fr">lebarhon@free.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Le 24/11/2010 20:35, Farfouille a écrit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2) <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5081228522/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5081228522/</a><br>
+<br>
+Top left or bottom left. Simple, related to mageia name and a smart representation of the M letter.<br>
+   <br>
+</blockquote></div>
+And we can also see the motion of the magic wand. I like them definitely.<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>+10<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:34, Thorsten van Lil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Logos need to be simple, recognizable, scaleable and have to look good in<br>
+monochrome as well as in color.<br clear="all"><br></blockquote><div>I agree, and for me the best from that point of view is<br><br>1. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ueros/5099707080/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ueros/5099707080/</a><br>
+<br>followed by <br><br>2. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/</a><br>and all the derivates<br></div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Nov 21, 2010 at 21:34, Thorsten van Lil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Logos need to be simple, recognizable, scaleable and have to look good in<br>
+monochrome as well as in color.<br clear="all"><br></blockquote><div>I agree, and for me the best from that point of view is<br><br>1. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ueros/5099707080/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ueros/5099707080/</a><br>
+<br>followed by <br><br>2. <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/</a><br>and all the derivates<br></div></div><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">In my  opinion, AlexN83 is a great artist, and his logos for Mageia are great, with creative logos and concepts. </font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>My favourite logos of the orange list are:</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/  &gt;&gt; very original and fresh, to mean our new way</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5081228522/ &gt;&gt; stylized and with the &quot;magic star&quot;</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5095733855/ &gt;&gt; a logo to mean the plural community</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>And remember: this artist is designing a new icon theme to Mageia with a very professional look:</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>AlexN83's artwork is (in my opinion) the best choice to the image of Mageia: professional, modern and universal (is perfect to KDE, GNOME, LXDE, etc)</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>Greetings! ;)<br /></span></font></p><div id="editor_signature"><font size="2"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></font></div><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en"><head><title></title><meta http-equiv="Content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><style type="text/css">p { margin:0px; padding:0px; }</style></head><body style='background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);background-image:none;background-repeat:repeat;background-position:0% 0%;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px;margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;padding-top:5px;padding-bottom:5px;padding-left:5px;padding-right:5px;'><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ><span style="font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2">In my  opinion, AlexN83 is a great artist, and his logos for Mageia are great, with creative logos and concepts. </font></span></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>My favourite logos of the orange list are:</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/  &gt;&gt; very original and fresh, to mean our new way</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5081228522/ &gt;&gt; stylized and with the &quot;magic star&quot;</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5095733855/ &gt;&gt; a logo to mean the plural community</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>And remember: this artist is designing a new icon theme to Mageia with a very professional look:</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>AlexN83's artwork is (in my opinion) the best choice to the image of Mageia: professional, modern and universal (is perfect to KDE, GNOME, LXDE, etc)</span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><br /><font size="2"><span></span></font></p><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px; font-family:Verdana;"><font size="2"><span>Greetings! ;)<br /></span></font></p><div id="editor_signature"><font size="2"><br /><p size="2" style="font-family:Verdana;">Malcer<br /><br />ext4 Blog, el rincón de Malcer<br /><br />http://ext4.wordpress.com</p></font></div><p style="margin:0px; padding:0px;" ></p></body></html>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Bonjour � vous,<br><br>Cette d'information est elle disponible en fran�ais?<br>Merci<br><br>Patrice<br><br>--- En date de&nbsp;: <b>Mar, 30.11.10, Anne nicolas <i>&lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;</i></b> a �crit&nbsp;:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><br>De&nbsp;: Anne nicolas &lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;<br>Objet&nbsp;: [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow<br>�&nbsp;: mageia-announce@mageia.org<br>Date: mardi 30 novembre 2010 09 h 17<br><br><div class="plainMail">Here are the last news from Mageia:<br><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=271" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=271</a><br><br>Enjoy<br><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-announce mailing list<br><a
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+Luckily the same goes for me, all my favorites are still in :)<br>Tough they are nearly all different ones:<br><br>My choices and what comes to my mind when looking at them (in order of preferation):<br><br>1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/<br>All
+ the smalls things are needed to put together to create something good. 
+This logo expresses it perfectly for me. Also I like how it looks with 
+text, as logo only, as icon and so on. Also looks like an instant 
+classic and timeless. <br><br>2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/<br>Timeless, modern, simple. <br><br>3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/<br>Heading in the right direction, we know where to go and what our goals are.<br><br>4. http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/<br>Flames
+ are dynamic, always changing. In connection with linux it lets me think
+ of a bleeding edge distro. Nice colors, but don't like the font.<br><br>Kind regards,<br>Enrico<br><br>&gt; Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:01:14 -0500<br>&gt; From: andr55@laposte.net<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Romain d'Alverny a �crit :<br>&gt; &gt; ...<br>&gt; &gt; Step 1. already occurred:<br>&gt; &gt; ... first short list of 77 files:http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Step 2. is the reason of this mail. 77 is still a lot,<br>&gt; &gt; ... we prefer to start the discussion now.<br>&gt; &gt; ...<br>&gt; &gt; We are Thursday Nov. 18th. That makes the public discussion open until<br>&gt; &gt; Wednesday Nov. 24th.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; (I got a second identical message - this time it must be for mgaorange)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Luckily, my red list choices are still in the orange list :)<br>&gt; So I mostly restate what I said then :<br>&gt; <br>&gt; First of all, I think that despite the guidelines, "Linux" should <br>&gt; usually be included with the logo and "Mageia", if not an integral part <br>&gt; of the logo.<br>&gt; After all, we are promoting/presenting the Mageia variety of Linux.<br>&gt; I like putting "mageia" in lower case - except maybe the "m" - and <br>&gt; putting "LINUX" in small caps below, to the right of the "g".<br>&gt; <br>&gt; My preferences, in approximate order are :<br>&gt; 1) &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5078260989/&gt;<br>&gt;      mageia_variations by gejobj.<br>&gt; These are 11 variations (by colour/font) of the same logo.<br>&gt; These are based on <br>&gt; &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5012718103/&gt; marisa_mageia_v2 <br>&gt; by the same designer, also on the selection list.<br>&gt; A cube showing 3 faces, forming an "M" below and an "L" above, with <br>&gt; "Mageia" to the right, and a small "Linux" below to the right of the "g".<br>&gt; My prefered colour scheme is column 2 row 2. (blue+green "M", orange <br>&gt; "L", violet "Linux")<br>&gt; My prefered font for "mageia" is column 2 row 4 (last), due to open "g" <br>&gt; (simpler) and "a" (not easily confused with "o").<br>&gt; For "Linux" it is column 1 row 7 (last), non-serif proportional small caps.<br>&gt; ----<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 2) &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/ennael/5021614786/&gt;<br>&gt;   mageia_ftizzoni05 by ennael, from F. Tizzoni.<br>&gt; An "M" formed of 4 oblique rectangles, 2 tones of violet, 2 tones of <br>&gt; orange, with "Mageia" below to the right, an orange dot on the "i".<br>&gt; Very distinctive.<br>&gt; For colours, the orange is very nice.  Maybe the violet could be light <br>&gt; green or blue-green instead ?<br>&gt; The font is ok, except I would use an open "a", to avoid confusion with "o".<br>&gt; (This was listed as my 4th choice last time, because it had been removed <br>&gt; from the MageiaRed pages.)<br>&gt; ----<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 3) &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/&gt;<br>&gt;      mageia7_1-01 by alexn83<br>&gt; compass with "Mageia" to the right.<br>&gt; I would use the "M" on the simpler dial above, oriented to NE so as to <br>&gt; hide the points NE and SW.  This simpler image should scale better.<br>&gt; I would also make the circle regular.<br>&gt; These changes should make it more easily recognisable in different <br>&gt; contexts as well.<br>&gt; And without the direction letters, multilingual :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; For the font I would use a sans-serif proportional, with the "a"s open <br>&gt; to the left, to be more readable.<br>&gt; I would apply this font to the "M" on the compass as well.<br>&gt; And no colour gradiant in the font.  (Leave that to the image.)<br>&gt; The colours go well together.<br>&gt; Note that this proposal seems very similar to another computer logo that <br>&gt; I've seen in the past, but I can't place it.<br>&gt; ----<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 4) &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/55329486@N03/5134846325/&gt;<br>&gt;      mageia_logo_6 by sisopetron<br>&gt; Mageia in black with a green star for point of the "i", surrounded, in <br>&gt; background, by 5 circles, filled in progressively lighter blue.<br>&gt; The 5 spheres representing 5 continents ?<br>&gt; The font is ok, except I would use an open "a", to avoid confusion with "o".<br>&gt; The green star would be better reduced in size - so as to not overlap <br>&gt; the letters.  The green makes a very nice accent.<br>&gt; The version with green-blue instead of blue in the spheres looks also <br>&gt; very nice.<br>&gt; ----<br>&gt; <br>&gt; my 2 cents :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; - Andr�<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+Luckily the same goes for me, all my favorites are still in :)<br>Tough they are nearly all different ones:<br><br>My choices and what comes to my mind when looking at them (in order of preferation):<br><br>1. http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5141934927/<br>All
+ the smalls things are needed to put together to create something good. 
+This logo expresses it perfectly for me. Also I like how it looks with 
+text, as logo only, as icon and so on. Also looks like an instant 
+classic and timeless. <br><br>2. http://www.flickr.com/photos/ofaurax/5127775007/<br>Timeless, modern, simple. <br><br>3. http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/<br>Heading in the right direction, we know where to go and what our goals are.<br><br>4. http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/<br>Flames
+ are dynamic, always changing. In connection with linux it lets me think
+ of a bleeding edge distro. Nice colors, but don't like the font.<br><br>Kind regards,<br>Enrico<br><br>&gt; Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:01:14 -0500<br>&gt; From: andr55@laposte.net<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Logo proposals discussion<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Romain d'Alverny a �crit :<br>&gt; &gt; ...<br>&gt; &gt; Step 1. already occurred:<br>&gt; &gt; ... first short list of 77 files:http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/mgared/<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Step 2. is the reason of this mail. 77 is still a lot,<br>&gt; &gt; ... we prefer to start the discussion now.<br>&gt; &gt; ...<br>&gt; &gt; We are Thursday Nov. 18th. That makes the public discussion open until<br>&gt; &gt; Wednesday Nov. 24th.<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; (I got a second identical message - this time it must be for mgaorange)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Luckily, my red list choices are still in the orange list :)<br>&gt; So I mostly restate what I said then :<br>&gt; <br>&gt; First of all, I think that despite the guidelines, "Linux" should <br>&gt; usually be included with the logo and "Mageia", if not an integral part <br>&gt; of the logo.<br>&gt; After all, we are promoting/presenting the Mageia variety of Linux.<br>&gt; I like putting "mageia" in lower case - except maybe the "m" - and <br>&gt; putting "LINUX" in small caps below, to the right of the "g".<br>&gt; <br>&gt; My preferences, in approximate order are :<br>&gt; 1) &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5078260989/&gt;<br>&gt;      mageia_variations by gejobj.<br>&gt; These are 11 variations (by colour/font) of the same logo.<br>&gt; These are based on <br>&gt; &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5012718103/&gt; marisa_mageia_v2 <br>&gt; by the same designer, also on the selection list.<br>&gt; A cube showing 3 faces, forming an "M" below and an "L" above, with <br>&gt; "Mageia" to the right, and a small "Linux" below to the right of the "g".<br>&gt; My prefered colour scheme is column 2 row 2. (blue+green "M", orange <br>&gt; "L", violet "Linux")<br>&gt; My prefered font for "mageia" is column 2 row 4 (last), due to open "g" <br>&gt; (simpler) and "a" (not easily confused with "o").<br>&gt; For "Linux" it is column 1 row 7 (last), non-serif proportional small caps.<br>&gt; ----<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 2) &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/ennael/5021614786/&gt;<br>&gt;   mageia_ftizzoni05 by ennael, from F. Tizzoni.<br>&gt; An "M" formed of 4 oblique rectangles, 2 tones of violet, 2 tones of <br>&gt; orange, with "Mageia" below to the right, an orange dot on the "i".<br>&gt; Very distinctive.<br>&gt; For colours, the orange is very nice.  Maybe the violet could be light <br>&gt; green or blue-green instead ?<br>&gt; The font is ok, except I would use an open "a", to avoid confusion with "o".<br>&gt; (This was listed as my 4th choice last time, because it had been removed <br>&gt; from the MageiaRed pages.)<br>&gt; ----<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 3) &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/54316230@N06/5063070488/&gt;<br>&gt;      mageia7_1-01 by alexn83<br>&gt; compass with "Mageia" to the right.<br>&gt; I would use the "M" on the simpler dial above, oriented to NE so as to <br>&gt; hide the points NE and SW.  This simpler image should scale better.<br>&gt; I would also make the circle regular.<br>&gt; These changes should make it more easily recognisable in different <br>&gt; contexts as well.<br>&gt; And without the direction letters, multilingual :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; For the font I would use a sans-serif proportional, with the "a"s open <br>&gt; to the left, to be more readable.<br>&gt; I would apply this font to the "M" on the compass as well.<br>&gt; And no colour gradiant in the font.  (Leave that to the image.)<br>&gt; The colours go well together.<br>&gt; Note that this proposal seems very similar to another computer logo that <br>&gt; I've seen in the past, but I can't place it.<br>&gt; ----<br>&gt; <br>&gt; 4) &lt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/55329486@N03/5134846325/&gt;<br>&gt;      mageia_logo_6 by sisopetron<br>&gt; Mageia in black with a green star for point of the "i", surrounded, in <br>&gt; background, by 5 circles, filled in progressively lighter blue.<br>&gt; The 5 spheres representing 5 continents ?<br>&gt; The font is ok, except I would use an open "a", to avoid confusion with "o".<br>&gt; The green star would be better reduced in size - so as to not overlap <br>&gt; the letters.  The green makes a very nice accent.<br>&gt; The version with green-blue instead of blue in the spheres looks also <br>&gt; very nice.<br>&gt; ----<br>&gt; <br>&gt; my 2 cents :)<br>&gt; <br>&gt; - Andr�<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br> 		 	   		  </body>
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+<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 30. November 2010 18:07<br>
+<b>An:</b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>
+<b>Betreff:</b> [Mageia-discuss] R�p. : [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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+  <p class=MsoNormal>Bonjour � vous,<br>
+  <br>
+  Cette d'information est elle disponible en fran�ais?<br>
+  Merci<br>
+  <br>
+  Patrice<br>
+  <br>
+  --- En date de&nbsp;: <b>Mar, 30.11.10, Anne nicolas <i>&lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;</i></b>
+  a �crit&nbsp;:<o:p></o:p></p>
+  <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
+  De&nbsp;: Anne nicolas &lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;<br>
+  Objet&nbsp;: [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow<br>
+  �&nbsp;: mageia-announce@mageia.org<br>
+  Date: mardi 30 novembre 2010 09 h 17<o:p></o:p></p>
+  <div>
+  <p class=MsoNormal>Here are the last news from Mageia:<br>
+  <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=271" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=271</a><br>
+  <br>
+  Enjoy<br>
+  <br>
+  -- <br>
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+mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org [mailto:mageia-discuss-bounces@mageia.org] <b>Im
+Auftrag von </b>Patrice Garnier<br>
+<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 30. November 2010 18:07<br>
+<b>An:</b> mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>
+<b>Betreff:</b> [Mageia-discuss] R�p. : [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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+  <p class=MsoNormal>Bonjour � vous,<br>
+  <br>
+  Cette d'information est elle disponible en fran�ais?<br>
+  Merci<br>
+  <br>
+  Patrice<br>
+  <br>
+  --- En date de&nbsp;: <b>Mar, 30.11.10, Anne nicolas <i>&lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;</i></b>
+  a �crit&nbsp;:<o:p></o:p></p>
+  <p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>
+  De&nbsp;: Anne nicolas &lt;ennael1@gmail.com&gt;<br>
+  Objet&nbsp;: [Mageia-announce] Mageia under the snow<br>
+  �&nbsp;: mageia-announce@mageia.org<br>
+  Date: mardi 30 novembre 2010 09 h 17<o:p></o:p></p>
+  <div>
+  <p class=MsoNormal>Here are the last news from Mageia:<br>
+  <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=271" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=271</a><br>
+  <br>
+  Enjoy<br>
+  <br>
+  -- <br>
+  Anne<br>
+  <a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+  _______________________________________________<br>
+  Mageia-announce mailing list<br>
+  <a href="/mc/compose?to=Mageia-announce@mageia.org">Mageia-announce@mageia.org</a><br>
+  <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-announce"
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div><div>The govern of Brazil adopted the Mandriva Linux in Classmate netbook.</div><div>The Classmate will be distributed for 1,5 million of public school students.</div><div><br></div><div>For more information visit:</div>
+<div><a href="http://idgnow.uol.com.br/computacao_corporativa/2010/12/07/netbooks-distribuidos-a-rede-publica-de-ensino-portarao-o-mandriva-linux/">http://idgnow.uol.com.br/computacao_corporativa/2010/12/07/netbooks-distribuidos-a-rede-publica-de-ensino-portarao-o-mandriva-linux/</a></div>
+</div><div><br></div><div>Bye.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>J�nior</div>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div><div>The govern of Brazil adopted the Mandriva Linux in Classmate netbook.</div><div>The Classmate will be distributed for 1,5 million of public school students.</div><div><br></div><div>For more information visit:</div>
+<div><a href="http://idgnow.uol.com.br/computacao_corporativa/2010/12/07/netbooks-distribuidos-a-rede-publica-de-ensino-portarao-o-mandriva-linux/">http://idgnow.uol.com.br/computacao_corporativa/2010/12/07/netbooks-distribuidos-a-rede-publica-de-ensino-portarao-o-mandriva-linux/</a></div>
+</div><div><br></div><div>Bye.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>J�nior</div>
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+Romain,<div><br></div><div><div>Oh, really. I did not express myself correctly. I know that ISO Alpha will be not �shared with all. This is a internal release.</div><div><br></div><div>My intentions is �alert about need of a bit torrent team.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/8 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Le 8 d�c. 2010 � 18:22, Adjamilton J�nior &lt;<a href="mailto:ajunior@brasifort.com.br">ajunior@brasifort.com.br</a>&gt; a �crit :<br>
+
+<div class="im">&gt; We&#39;re near of release ISO alpha. We need think like share this and next releases.<br>
+&gt; I suggest set a bit torrent team for share this with the world.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Somebody have anything to suggest?<br>
+<br>
+</div>1. This is going to be an alpha release; not a release for everyone, at all;<br>
+<br>
+2. It will be our very first alpha, on a new buildsystem;<br>
+<br>
+3. It will not happen before January;<br>
+<br>
+4. Do. Not. Market. It. As. A. Stable. Release. (for review or whatever goes beyond technical check/contribution)<br>
+<br>
+5. Provided above points, yes, at some point (beta or RC releases), we will need a bittorrent setup.</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Romain,<div><br></div><div><div>Oh, really. I did not express myself correctly. I know that ISO Alpha will be not �shared with all. This is a internal release.</div><div><br></div><div>My intentions is �alert about need of a bit torrent team.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/8 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Le 8 d�c. 2010 � 18:22, Adjamilton J�nior &lt;<a href="mailto:ajunior@brasifort.com.br">ajunior@brasifort.com.br</a>&gt; a �crit :<br>
+
+<div class="im">&gt; We&#39;re near of release ISO alpha. We need think like share this and next releases.<br>
+&gt; I suggest set a bit torrent team for share this with the world.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Somebody have anything to suggest?<br>
+<br>
+</div>1. This is going to be an alpha release; not a release for everyone, at all;<br>
+<br>
+2. It will be our very first alpha, on a new buildsystem;<br>
+<br>
+3. It will not happen before January;<br>
+<br>
+4. Do. Not. Market. It. As. A. Stable. Release. (for review or whatever goes beyond technical check/contribution)<br>
+<br>
+5. Provided above points, yes, at some point (beta or RC releases), we will need a bittorrent setup.</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Hi all,<div><br></div><div><div>We&#39;re near of release ISO alpha. We need think like share this and next releases.</div><div>I suggest set a bit torrent team for share this with the world.</div><div><br></div><div>Somebody have anything to suggest?</div>
+</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div>
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+Hi all,<div><br></div><div><div>We&#39;re near of release ISO alpha. We need think like share this and next releases.</div><div>I suggest set a bit torrent team for share this with the world.</div><div><br></div><div>Somebody have anything to suggest?</div>
+</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div>
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+<div>I love this logo.</div><div>It&#39;s perfect to combine with mageia and cauldron names.</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div>
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+<div>I love this logo.</div><div>It&#39;s perfect to combine with mageia and cauldron names.</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div>
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+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; ">Misc,</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; ">There will be replacing the wiki software?</span></div>
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; ">J�nior</span></div>
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+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; ">Misc,</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; ">There will be replacing the wiki software?</span></div>
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; ">J�nior</span></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/9 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">So, expecting this from people, and for them to do this, is hard,</div>
+sometimes very hard. It may sound a bit &quot;elitist&quot;, it is, but in a<br>
+good way. Because we crave people to join to coordinate and build this<br>
+thing carefully. And that takes a lot. But that&#39;s great.<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s great provided that it is good/rewarding to work/collaborate<br>
+together through this - no one wants to participate in something that<br>
+does not make one a better person. That it makes us able to deliver,<br>
+not only great technology but a good attitude about creation, design,<br>
+collaboration, production, delivery. That it makes us all not only<br>
+grow as a community, but as individuals as well, within our own other<br>
+fields.<br>
+<br>
+So indeed, again, as a default, we expect the core community to grow<br>
+out of very committed, spontaneous, kind, patient and friendly people;<br>
+skilled as well of course, but especially eager to learn more/better<br>
+from each other to build more/better.<br><br></blockquote><div>Hi All , a long time not participating...�</div><div>That words are the main principal words to read. Participation makes u a &quot;better person&quot;, thats</div>
+<div>the main focused objetive to follow. The other things will arise with collaboration.�</div><div><br>After 10 years of be part of community, founding communities and walk around my continent, I never</div><div>read that &quot;perfect word&quot;, really, I still believe that theres strong, commited people, focused on elevate</div>
+<div>the quality of the person inside a community. Thats very nice to read....</div><div><br></div><div>I founded Fedora Argentina en 2006. I know what means found a community, and the lot of hours , money</div><div>and some privations this task mean. 7 times more complicated and responsible create a new distro, and�</div>
+<div>of course, a lot of ego and competition around the work from whom works a lot.�</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>And lets try, if it possible, evoid let grow &quot;throlling&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>Regards from Buenos Aires</div>
+<div>P.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>�</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/9 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">So, expecting this from people, and for them to do this, is hard,</div>
+sometimes very hard. It may sound a bit &quot;elitist&quot;, it is, but in a<br>
+good way. Because we crave people to join to coordinate and build this<br>
+thing carefully. And that takes a lot. But that&#39;s great.<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s great provided that it is good/rewarding to work/collaborate<br>
+together through this - no one wants to participate in something that<br>
+does not make one a better person. That it makes us able to deliver,<br>
+not only great technology but a good attitude about creation, design,<br>
+collaboration, production, delivery. That it makes us all not only<br>
+grow as a community, but as individuals as well, within our own other<br>
+fields.<br>
+<br>
+So indeed, again, as a default, we expect the core community to grow<br>
+out of very committed, spontaneous, kind, patient and friendly people;<br>
+skilled as well of course, but especially eager to learn more/better<br>
+from each other to build more/better.<br><br></blockquote><div>Hi All , a long time not participating...�</div><div>That words are the main principal words to read. Participation makes u a &quot;better person&quot;, thats</div>
+<div>the main focused objetive to follow. The other things will arise with collaboration.�</div><div><br>After 10 years of be part of community, founding communities and walk around my continent, I never</div><div>read that &quot;perfect word&quot;, really, I still believe that theres strong, commited people, focused on elevate</div>
+<div>the quality of the person inside a community. Thats very nice to read....</div><div><br></div><div>I founded Fedora Argentina en 2006. I know what means found a community, and the lot of hours , money</div><div>and some privations this task mean. 7 times more complicated and responsible create a new distro, and�</div>
+<div>of course, a lot of ego and competition around the work from whom works a lot.�</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>And lets try, if it possible, evoid let grow &quot;throlling&quot;</div><div><br></div><div>Regards from Buenos Aires</div>
+<div>P.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>�</div></div>
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+Ahmad,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">
+<br>
+</div>Mediawiki will be used.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Good choice.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div></div>
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+Ahmad,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">
+<br>
+</div>Mediawiki will be used.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Good choice.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Hi,</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5">Adjamilton, what do you understand as needed tasks to be acomplished</div>
+</div>
+by torrent team?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, tasks for this team aren&#39;t complicated but very important.</div><div>Basically the task consist in organize seeders network for share releases.</div><div>This team should receive the ISO two hour before official launch for distributing to a network seeders.</div>
+<div>Other task is add torrent file in download servers.�</div><div>This network formed by people with high upload bandwith.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe this team should named &quot;Distribution team&quot;.</div><div><br>
+</div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>A J�nior</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>Hi,</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5">Adjamilton, what do you understand as needed tasks to be acomplished</div>
+</div>
+by torrent team?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, tasks for this team aren&#39;t complicated but very important.</div><div>Basically the task consist in organize seeders network for share releases.</div><div>This team should receive the ISO two hour before official launch for distributing to a network seeders.</div>
+<div>Other task is add torrent file in download servers.�</div><div>This network formed by people with high upload bandwith.</div><div><br></div><div>Maybe this team should named &quot;Distribution team&quot;.</div><div><br>
+</div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>A J�nior</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+And you see it from your perspective, being involved from the very<br>
+beginning, it makes no sense to question everything or complain about<br>
+it; it was all laid out at some point and posted various places. But<br>
+those who joined the discussion late did not have the benefit of<br>
+knowing everything in a sequential order, had not seen all the posts,<br>
+had not read the wiki and, in fact, were missing important pieces of<br>
+information.<br><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>In my opinion you&#39;re quite right at that point. But it isn&#39;t as easy as it may sound for new people joining a project which exists for some time. I joined it 2 weeks ago and didn&#39;t get the discussion from the beginning. But I read every mail I got since then.<br>
+<br>But btt: It&#39;s a very nice logo. I can not wait to get the first wallpaper with this logo xD.<br>For now I saved this one and put it quite in the center of my desktop, changed the Backgroundcolour so it fits :)<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+And you see it from your perspective, being involved from the very<br>
+beginning, it makes no sense to question everything or complain about<br>
+it; it was all laid out at some point and posted various places. But<br>
+those who joined the discussion late did not have the benefit of<br>
+knowing everything in a sequential order, had not seen all the posts,<br>
+had not read the wiki and, in fact, were missing important pieces of<br>
+information.<br><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>In my opinion you&#39;re quite right at that point. But it isn&#39;t as easy as it may sound for new people joining a project which exists for some time. I joined it 2 weeks ago and didn&#39;t get the discussion from the beginning. But I read every mail I got since then.<br>
+<br>But btt: It&#39;s a very nice logo. I can not wait to get the first wallpaper with this logo xD.<br>For now I saved this one and put it quite in the center of my desktop, changed the Backgroundcolour so it fits :)<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of<br>
+&gt; Mandriva&#39;s star? On first sight I don&#39;t see one.<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t know, I do not see &quot;Mandriva star&quot; mentioned in his article.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>That&#39;s correct. But he mentioned that he didn&#39;t find a meaning in our Logo so I thought about the star I see here in Mandriva and if I&#39;m able to find a meaning in it. But I didn&#39;t find one.<br>
+He only brought up examples of Logos where you&#39;re able to see a meaning like the one in Windows, as he tried to explain in his post. <br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of<br>
+&gt; Mandriva&#39;s star? On first sight I don&#39;t see one.<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t know, I do not see &quot;Mandriva star&quot; mentioned in his article.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>That&#39;s correct. But he mentioned that he didn&#39;t find a meaning in our Logo so I thought about the star I see here in Mandriva and if I&#39;m able to find a meaning in it. But I didn&#39;t find one.<br>
+He only brought up examples of Logos where you&#39;re able to see a meaning like the one in Windows, as he tried to explain in his post. <br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com" target="_blank">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of<br>
+&gt; Mandriva&#39;s star? On first sight I don&#39;t see one.<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t know, I do not see &quot;Mandriva star&quot; mentioned in his article.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>That&#39;s correct. But he mentioned that he didn&#39;t find a meaning in our Logo so I thought about the star I see here in Mandriva and if I&#39;m able to find a meaning in it. But I didn&#39;t find one.<br>
+
+He only brought up examples of Logos where you&#39;re able to see a meaning like the one in Windows, as he tried to explain in his post. <br><br clear="all"><br></blockquote><div>Offtopic but wasn&#39;t it connected to the magic wand and Mandrake the Magician?</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><font color="#888888"><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 5:32 PM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+2010/12/11 Daniel Kreuter &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com" target="_blank">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of<br>
+&gt; Mandriva&#39;s star? On first sight I don&#39;t see one.<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t know, I do not see &quot;Mandriva star&quot; mentioned in his article.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>That&#39;s correct. But he mentioned that he didn&#39;t find a meaning in our Logo so I thought about the star I see here in Mandriva and if I&#39;m able to find a meaning in it. But I didn&#39;t find one.<br>
+
+He only brought up examples of Logos where you&#39;re able to see a meaning like the one in Windows, as he tried to explain in his post. <br><br clear="all"><br></blockquote><div>Offtopic but wasn&#39;t it connected to the magic wand and Mandrake the Magician?</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><font color="#888888"><br>Daniel Kreuter<br>
+<br><br><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I want to point to skiper&#39;s blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some<br>
+thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don&#39;t like it&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don&#39;t like it,<br>
+it&#39;s ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why<br>
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although<br>
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did<br>
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<br>
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+decision finding process.<br>
+<br>
+�<a href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+<br>
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of Mandriva&#39;s star? On first sight I don&#39;t see one.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br>
+<br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I want to point to skiper&#39;s blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some<br>
+thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don&#39;t like it&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don&#39;t like it,<br>
+it&#39;s ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why<br>
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although<br>
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did<br>
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<br>
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+decision finding process.<br>
+<br>
+�<a href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+<br>
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Reading his opinion raised one question for me, what is the meaning of Mandriva&#39;s star? On first sight I don&#39;t see one.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br>
+<br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le vendredi 10 d�cembre 2010 19:58:11 Jos� Alberto Valle Cid, vous avez �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;rdalverny@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; It's not even a question of tool here. The decision process was</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; presented, explained ahead of it to happen, several times, here, on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the wiki page, and no serious objection was raised about it. The way</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; this decision happened, for that matter, from the founding board,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; having read, checked and reflected upon the feedback from the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; community, is legitimate. Questioning this after the game is...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; curious.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is some strange to me, and i have to accept i mistake when i did</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not do my part &quot;complaint&quot; about it before.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We will improve and use the voting platform for further decisions, but</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; there will be decisions that will be taken only from the board, or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; from the council or from all team members, depending on the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; context/decision; but not from anyone just passing by.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Well i understand that will exist decisions that only board can do,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; but really the logo is one of that decisions ?, i am not sure about</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; that.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hello,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The process was clear directly at the begining, nothing hidden (on mageia's blog), a decision is made so from the board and all we know that is impossible to have 100% opinion pro of such subjective subject. If you have &gt; 50% you can feel happy :-)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Turn the page for this and let's go forward now :-)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A+</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Raph</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le vendredi 10 d�cembre 2010 19:58:11 Jos� Alberto Valle Cid, vous avez �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 5:37 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;rdalverny@gmail.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; It's not even a question of tool here. The decision process was</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; presented, explained ahead of it to happen, several times, here, on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the wiki page, and no serious objection was raised about it. The way</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; this decision happened, for that matter, from the founding board,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; having read, checked and reflected upon the feedback from the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; community, is legitimate. Questioning this after the game is...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; curious.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is some strange to me, and i have to accept i mistake when i did</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not do my part &quot;complaint&quot; about it before.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; We will improve and use the voting platform for further decisions, but</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; there will be decisions that will be taken only from the board, or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; from the council or from all team members, depending on the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; context/decision; but not from anyone just passing by.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Well i understand that will exist decisions that only board can do,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; but really the logo is one of that decisions ?, i am not sure about</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; that.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hello,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The process was clear directly at the begining, nothing hidden (on mageia's blog), a decision is made so from the board and all we know that is impossible to have 100% opinion pro of such subjective subject. If you have &gt; 50% you can feel happy :-)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Turn the page for this and let's go forward now :-)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A+</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Raph</p></body></html>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="Georgia, &#39;Bitstream Charter&#39;, serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 24px;"><br>
+</span></font>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I want to point to skiper&#39;s blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some<br>
+thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don&#39;t like it&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don&#39;t like it,<br>
+it&#39;s ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why<br>
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although<br>
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did<br>
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<br>
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+decision finding process.<br>
+<br>
+ �<a href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+<br>
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Thank you for commenting and expressing your point of view as well. ;-)<br>
+<br>
+I did complete my article a little bit more for two other kinds of logo to fit in, including some details I though interesting. I should have mentioned all this before, and I also precised a little bit more my thought of the chosen logo.<br>
+
+<br>
+But none of the less, it is still worth remembering there has been a lot of work made on Mageia generally as well as on the logo. So I renew my confidence and encouragements towards those who currently work hard on the project. :-)<br>
+
+<br>
+Now, this is just intended to offer a little though about all this logo episode, nothing more.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Skiper.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mandriva Linux 2010 spring + kde 4.3.2<br>think it,be diferent,be gnu/linux<br><br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#333333" face="Georgia, &#39;Bitstream Charter&#39;, serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 24px;"><br>
+</span></font>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I want to point to skiper&#39;s blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some<br>
+thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don&#39;t like it&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don&#39;t like it,<br>
+it&#39;s ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why<br>
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although<br>
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did<br>
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<br>
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+decision finding process.<br>
+<br>
+ �<a href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+<br>
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Thank you for commenting and expressing your point of view as well. ;-)<br>
+<br>
+I did complete my article a little bit more for two other kinds of logo to fit in, including some details I though interesting. I should have mentioned all this before, and I also precised a little bit more my thought of the chosen logo.<br>
+
+<br>
+But none of the less, it is still worth remembering there has been a lot of work made on Mageia generally as well as on the logo. So I renew my confidence and encouragements towards those who currently work hard on the project. :-)<br>
+
+<br>
+Now, this is just intended to offer a little though about all this logo episode, nothing more.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Skiper.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mandriva Linux 2010 spring + kde 4.3.2<br>think it,be diferent,be gnu/linux<br><br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, &#39;Bitstream Charter&#39;, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 24px; ">sorry but I don�t like</span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I want to point to skiper&#39;s blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some<br>
+thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don&#39;t like it&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don&#39;t like it,<br>
+it&#39;s ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why<br>
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although<br>
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did<br>
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<br>
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+decision finding process.<br>
+<br>
+ �<a href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+<br>
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Thank you for commenting and expressing your point of view as well. ;-)<br>
+<br>
+I did complete my article a little bit more for two other kinds of logo to fit in, including some details I though interesting. I should have mentioned all this before, and I also precised a little bit more my thought of the chosen logo.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+But none of the less, it is still worth remembering there has been a lot of work made on Mageia generally as well as on the logo. So I renew my confidence and encouragements towards those who currently work hard on the project. :-)<br>
+
+
+<br>
+Now, this is just intended to offer a little though about all this logo episode, nothing more.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Skiper.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><font color="#888888">-- <br>Mandriva Linux 2010 spring + kde 4.3.2<br>think it,be diferent,be gnu/linux<br><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mandriva Linux 2010 spring + kde 4.3.2<br>think it,be diferent,be gnu/linux<br><br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Georgia, &#39;Bitstream Charter&#39;, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); line-height: 24px; ">sorry but I don�t like</span><br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I want to point to skiper&#39;s blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some<br>
+thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don&#39;t like it&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don&#39;t like it,<br>
+it&#39;s ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why<br>
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although<br>
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did<br>
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<br>
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+decision finding process.<br>
+<br>
+ �<a href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+<br>
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Thank you for commenting and expressing your point of view as well. ;-)<br>
+<br>
+I did complete my article a little bit more for two other kinds of logo to fit in, including some details I though interesting. I should have mentioned all this before, and I also precised a little bit more my thought of the chosen logo.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+But none of the less, it is still worth remembering there has been a lot of work made on Mageia generally as well as on the logo. So I renew my confidence and encouragements towards those who currently work hard on the project. :-)<br>
+
+
+<br>
+Now, this is just intended to offer a little though about all this logo episode, nothing more.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Skiper.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br></div></div><font color="#888888">-- <br>Mandriva Linux 2010 spring + kde 4.3.2<br>think it,be diferent,be gnu/linux<br><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mandriva Linux 2010 spring + kde 4.3.2<br>think it,be diferent,be gnu/linux<br><br>
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+Sorry to revive this thread, the logo is chosen, so let&#39;s go further.<br>I see some advantage in this logo, but I can&#39;t implement that because I have no idea how to create a mouse pointer (or cursor as it is known in Windows). Windows has the well known hourglass animated pointer. What about a Mageia animated cursor/pointer with bubbles going out and out from the cauldron?<br>
+<br>
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+Sorry to revive this thread, the logo is chosen, so let&#39;s go further.<br>I see some advantage in this logo, but I can&#39;t implement that because I have no idea how to create a mouse pointer (or cursor as it is known in Windows). Windows has the well known hourglass animated pointer. What about a Mageia animated cursor/pointer with bubbles going out and out from the cauldron?<br>
+<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I want to point to skiper&#39;s blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some<br>
+thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don&#39;t like it&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don&#39;t like it,<br>
+it&#39;s ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why<br>
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although<br>
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did<br>
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<br>
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+decision finding process.<br>
+<br>
+�<a href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+<br>
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I just thought about his blog entry and when I think about our Logo, i see the following things in it:<br><br>Our logo represents the cauldron as it is the name of our testing environment. A cauldron has something magical in it, you put things in to it, and it comes something wonderful out of it, for someone not knowing what the man/woman does it sounds like a mirracle. Isn&#39;t just this the meaning of our philosophy? Providing the user a distribution where he thinks wow it works, it don&#39;t know how but it works.<br>
+<br>And that&#39;s a point I see when thinking about our logo. <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I want to point to skiper&#39;s blog, who gave the whole &quot;Logo&quot; issue some<br>
+thought. It is titled, &quot;Mageia logo - I don&#39;t like it&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+But what he writes is very different from the usual &quot;I don&#39;t like it,<br>
+it&#39;s ugly&quot; posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it and why<br>
+he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons. Although<br>
+I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him because he did<br>
+not just complain, he put some thinking and time into explaining his<br>
+opinion.<br>
+<br>
+BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+decision finding process.<br>
+<br>
+�<a href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/" target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+<br>
+Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>I just thought about his blog entry and when I think about our Logo, i see the following things in it:<br><br>Our logo represents the cauldron as it is the name of our testing environment. A cauldron has something magical in it, you put things in to it, and it comes something wonderful out of it, for someone not knowing what the man/woman does it sounds like a mirracle. Isn&#39;t just this the meaning of our philosophy? Providing the user a distribution where he thinks wow it works, it don&#39;t know how but it works.<br>
+<br>And that&#39;s a point I see when thinking about our logo. <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Hi Mihai,<br><br>That won't be so difficult. The mouse pointer I imagine like a magic wand. When busy, the wand is replaced by simple bubbles thats pops from the bottom to the top :)<br><br>We can go further with the imagination and imagine lines arroud the wand when you hover a button (like the lines you draw around a bulb to suggest it's on) and an animation of sparks coming out of the wand when you perform a click.<br><br>There's a lot of magic tricks and gestures you can do with a magic wand :)<br>If the logo is a cauldrons, isn't mandatory to use it for the mouse pointer.<br><div>&nbsp;</div>Best regards,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Romanian Translation Team<div><br>PS: sorry for the up posting, but Yahoo! Webmail client is a little dumb :(<br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16,
+ 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Mihai Dobrescu &lt;msdobrescu@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, 16 December, 2010 16:59:52<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo<br></font><br><br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+</div><br>
+
+
+
+      </body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">Hi Mihai,<br><br>That won't be so difficult. The mouse pointer I imagine like a magic wand. When busy, the wand is replaced by simple bubbles thats pops from the bottom to the top :)<br><br>We can go further with the imagination and imagine lines arroud the wand when you hover a button (like the lines you draw around a bulb to suggest it's on) and an animation of sparks coming out of the wand when you perform a click.<br><br>There's a lot of magic tricks and gestures you can do with a magic wand :)<br>If the logo is a cauldrons, isn't mandatory to use it for the mouse pointer.<br><div>&nbsp;</div>Best regards,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Romanian Translation Team<div><br>PS: sorry for the up posting, but Yahoo! Webmail client is a little dumb :(<br></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16,
+ 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Mihai Dobrescu &lt;msdobrescu@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thu, 16 December, 2010 16:59:52<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] Habemus logo<br></font><br><br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+</div><br>
+
+
+
+      </body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b>Sorry to revive this thread, the logo is chosen, so let's go further.<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">I see some advantage in this logo, but I can't implement that because I have no idea how to create a mouse pointer (or cursor as it is known in Windows). Windows has the well known hourglass animated pointer. What about a Mageia animated cursor/pointer with bubbles going out and out from the cauldron?<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+</div><br>
+
+
+
+      </body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></b>Sorry to revive this thread, the logo is chosen, so let's go further.<br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">I see some advantage in this logo, but I can't implement that because I have no idea how to create a mouse pointer (or cursor as it is known in Windows). Windows has the well known hourglass animated pointer. What about a Mageia animated cursor/pointer with bubbles going out and out from the cauldron?<br>
+</div></div></blockquote>
+</div><br>
+
+
+
+      </body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
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+    Le 17/12/2010 22:09, Daniel Kreuter a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=e5yRS1zZxK+b7at3f7PcCJ3+68jfNm5BuzY+w@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM,
+        Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole "Logo"
+          issue some<br>
+          thought. It is titled, "Mageia logo - I don't like it".<br>
+          <br>
+          But what he writes is very different from the usual "I don't
+          like it,<br>
+          it's ugly" posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it
+          and why<br>
+          he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons.
+          Although<br>
+          I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him
+          because he did<br>
+          not just complain, he put some thinking and time into
+          explaining his<br>
+          opinion.<br>
+          <br>
+          BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+          decision finding process.<br>
+          <br>
+          &nbsp;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/"
+            target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+          <br>
+          Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      I just thought about his blog entry and when I think about our
+      Logo, i see the following things in it:<br>
+      <br>
+      Our logo represents the cauldron as it is the name of our testing
+      environment. A cauldron has something magical in it, you put
+      things in to it, and it comes something wonderful out of it, for
+      someone not knowing what the man/woman does it sounds like a
+      mirracle. Isn't just this the meaning of our philosophy? Providing
+      the user a distribution where he thinks wow it works, it don't
+      know how but it works.<br>
+      <br>
+      And that's a point I see when thinking about our logo. <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I hardly see the cauldron and the nest there. I don't see anything
+    of all this in the logo. For me, it is just an accessibility sign
+    that is not pleasant but has just been made to comply to the most
+    strict guidelines and rules.<br>
+    <br>
+    Honestly, the more I try to cope with the logo, the more I actually
+    dislike it. I am really afraid of the sort of artwork I will have to
+    support with such an ugly white/black thing. A simple black line
+    could have been drawn, it would have been exactly the same. I use to
+    like, or at least cope with many things, even the Ia Ora theme I
+    always described as quite old looking, I still manage to appreciate
+    it. But this logo makes me really depress about what will come next.
+    And what worries me even more is that I am not alone at all in this
+    situation. <br>
+    <br>
+    I am really sorry, but I just want to say the truth about how I feel
+    with this logo. I am so sorry, but I <u>really</u> do not like this
+    logo. In the future, if there are trolls of bad comments on it,
+    expect me to hate it. I do not like myself being like this. I feel
+    like my attitude is wrong, but I can see Mageia as a credible
+    project without a credible logo. It may be serious, but not
+    credible. <br>
+    <br>
+    I hope I am wrong and that Mageia will become popular and
+    successful, but I feel really sad when I see this logo I see as our
+    flagship, and it really deceives me. <br>
+    There is nothing nice in it. <br>
+    <br>
+    All my apologies for this. I still accept it, but it is really hard
+    to cope with a flagship you find really depressing, while you really
+    like the project, want to participate in it and let it grow, working
+    with people you like. <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 17/12/2010 22:09, Daniel Kreuter a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=e5yRS1zZxK+b7at3f7PcCJ3+68jfNm5BuzY+w@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:51 AM,
+        Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          I want to point to skiper's blog, who gave the whole "Logo"
+          issue some<br>
+          thought. It is titled, "Mageia logo - I don't like it".<br>
+          <br>
+          But what he writes is very different from the usual "I don't
+          like it,<br>
+          it's ugly" posts. I explains in detail why he does not like it
+          and why<br>
+          he thinks it is not a good choice based on objective reasons.
+          Although<br>
+          I do not share his opinion I want to give credit to him
+          because he did<br>
+          not just complain, he put some thinking and time into
+          explaining his<br>
+          opinion.<br>
+          <br>
+          BTW: He explicitely states that he does not complain about the<br>
+          decision finding process.<br>
+          <br>
+          &nbsp;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+href="http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/"
+            target="_blank">http://skiperdrake.wordpress.com/2010/12/11/mageia-logo-i-am-not-happy-with-it/</a><br>
+          <br>
+          Good reading, even if it is not my opinion :)<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      I just thought about his blog entry and when I think about our
+      Logo, i see the following things in it:<br>
+      <br>
+      Our logo represents the cauldron as it is the name of our testing
+      environment. A cauldron has something magical in it, you put
+      things in to it, and it comes something wonderful out of it, for
+      someone not knowing what the man/woman does it sounds like a
+      mirracle. Isn't just this the meaning of our philosophy? Providing
+      the user a distribution where he thinks wow it works, it don't
+      know how but it works.<br>
+      <br>
+      And that's a point I see when thinking about our logo. <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    I hardly see the cauldron and the nest there. I don't see anything
+    of all this in the logo. For me, it is just an accessibility sign
+    that is not pleasant but has just been made to comply to the most
+    strict guidelines and rules.<br>
+    <br>
+    Honestly, the more I try to cope with the logo, the more I actually
+    dislike it. I am really afraid of the sort of artwork I will have to
+    support with such an ugly white/black thing. A simple black line
+    could have been drawn, it would have been exactly the same. I use to
+    like, or at least cope with many things, even the Ia Ora theme I
+    always described as quite old looking, I still manage to appreciate
+    it. But this logo makes me really depress about what will come next.
+    And what worries me even more is that I am not alone at all in this
+    situation. <br>
+    <br>
+    I am really sorry, but I just want to say the truth about how I feel
+    with this logo. I am so sorry, but I <u>really</u> do not like this
+    logo. In the future, if there are trolls of bad comments on it,
+    expect me to hate it. I do not like myself being like this. I feel
+    like my attitude is wrong, but I can see Mageia as a credible
+    project without a credible logo. It may be serious, but not
+    credible. <br>
+    <br>
+    I hope I am wrong and that Mageia will become popular and
+    successful, but I feel really sad when I see this logo I see as our
+    flagship, and it really deceives me. <br>
+    There is nothing nice in it. <br>
+    <br>
+    All my apologies for this. I still accept it, but it is really hard
+    to cope with a flagship you find really depressing, while you really
+    like the project, want to participate in it and let it grow, working
+    with people you like. <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Michael scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:44:00AM +0100, Juergen Harms wrote:<br>
+&gt; I just found this message from Florian Hubold in the cooker mailing list<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;todays update for mandriva-release-common from main/updates from<br>
+&gt; &gt;2010.1 breaks mirrorlist and therefore urpm*-tools altogether<br>
+&gt; &gt;when a placeholder like $RELEASE is used with mirrorlist,<br>
+&gt; &gt;and as this seems to be the default setup, many machines<br>
+&gt; &gt;will be hit by this, effectively disabling package management.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The server for the Mandriva forums appears to be (already?) broken,<br>
+&gt; no possibility to warn people via that evident way - maybe this copy<br>
+&gt; can help to minimise annoyance.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Ok, so I doubt people will listen to me, and I know that you are trying to help,<br>
+but this is mageia-discuss, not mandriva-discuss.<br>
+<br>
+If we start to discuss Mandriva breakage and evolution here, people will not<br>
+really see the 2 community as separate. And if they do not see us as a separate<br>
+community, we will carry the bad reputation of Mandriva for the next 10 years<br>
+because people will think &quot;mageia == mandriva&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+As you surely doubt, reputation is z problem that can be quite hard and long<br>
+to overcome as we learned in the past, and quite damaging for the success of a project<br>
+in the long run. So it<br>
+is better to start now, by simply being fully separate from Mandriva and by doing everything<br>
+we can to make sure we are not seen as a 2nd Mandriva. And this include seeing Mageia<br>
+community as a separate entity, not as another Mandriva users community.<br>
+<br>
+So in the light of this explanation, could people please keep Mandriva related topic<br>
+on Mandriva mailling list ?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Considering that most of us here are still using Mandriva, cause there has not been a Mageia release yet, it is important that we know something can be broken in the system we use to work and collaborate to Mageia.<br>
+<br>I do agree that, in the near future, we should focus only in Mageia, but for now we are still in between worlds.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Diego Bello Carre�o<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Michael scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 08:44:00AM +0100, Juergen Harms wrote:<br>
+&gt; I just found this message from Florian Hubold in the cooker mailing list<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;todays update for mandriva-release-common from main/updates from<br>
+&gt; &gt;2010.1 breaks mirrorlist and therefore urpm*-tools altogether<br>
+&gt; &gt;when a placeholder like $RELEASE is used with mirrorlist,<br>
+&gt; &gt;and as this seems to be the default setup, many machines<br>
+&gt; &gt;will be hit by this, effectively disabling package management.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The server for the Mandriva forums appears to be (already?) broken,<br>
+&gt; no possibility to warn people via that evident way - maybe this copy<br>
+&gt; can help to minimise annoyance.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Ok, so I doubt people will listen to me, and I know that you are trying to help,<br>
+but this is mageia-discuss, not mandriva-discuss.<br>
+<br>
+If we start to discuss Mandriva breakage and evolution here, people will not<br>
+really see the 2 community as separate. And if they do not see us as a separate<br>
+community, we will carry the bad reputation of Mandriva for the next 10 years<br>
+because people will think &quot;mageia == mandriva&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+As you surely doubt, reputation is z problem that can be quite hard and long<br>
+to overcome as we learned in the past, and quite damaging for the success of a project<br>
+in the long run. So it<br>
+is better to start now, by simply being fully separate from Mandriva and by doing everything<br>
+we can to make sure we are not seen as a 2nd Mandriva. And this include seeing Mageia<br>
+community as a separate entity, not as another Mandriva users community.<br>
+<br>
+So in the light of this explanation, could people please keep Mandriva related topic<br>
+on Mandriva mailling list ?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Considering that most of us here are still using Mandriva, cause there has not been a Mageia release yet, it is important that we know something can be broken in the system we use to work and collaborate to Mageia.<br>
+<br>I do agree that, in the near future, we should focus only in Mageia, but for now we are still in between worlds.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Diego Bello Carre�o<br><br><br>
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+<p>It&#39;s good to read that.</p>
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+<p>It&#39;s good to read that.</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/12/21 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Of course I wanted to say &quot;lateste founders meeting&quot;...<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I think you meant &quot;latest&quot; :p <br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Diego Bello Carre�o<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2010/12/21 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Of course I wanted to say &quot;lateste founders meeting&quot;...<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I think you meant &quot;latest&quot; :p <br></div></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Diego Bello Carre�o<br><br><br>
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+Happy New Year for all.<div><br></div><div>A. J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 30 de dezembro de 2010 14:07, MacXi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+Merry Christmas!!!<br>
+<br>
+Feliz ano novo!!!<br>
+<br>
+Alem�o - &#39;Gutes Neues Jahr&#39; !!<br>
+Catal�o - &#39;Bon Any Nou&#39; !!<br>
+Chin�s Mandarim - &#39;Xin nian yu kuai&#39; �!!<br>
+Espanhol - &#39;Feliz Ano Nuevo&#39; !!<br>
+Esperanto - &#39;Bonan Novjaron&#39; !!<br>
+Finland�s - &#39;onnellista Uutta Vuotta&#39; !!<br>
+Franc�s - &#39;Bonne Ann�e&#39; !!<br>
+Gal�s - &#39;Blwyddyn Newydd Dda&#39; !!<br>
+Grego - &#39;Kainourios Chronos&#39; !!<br>
+Hebreu - &#39;Shanah Tovah&#39; !!<br>
+Holand�s - &#39;Gelukkig Nieuwjaar&#39; !!<br>
+H�ngaro - &#39;Boldog Ujevet&#39; !!<br>
+Indonesiano - &#39;Selamat Tahun Baru&#39; !!<br>
+Island�s - &#39;Farsflt Komandi Ar&#39; !!<br>
+Italiano - &#39;Buon Capo d&#39;Anno&#39; !!<br>
+Japon�s - &#39;Akemashite Omedetou Gozaimasu&#39; !!<br>
+Latim - &#39;Annum Faustum&#39; !!<br>
+Noruegu�s - &#39;Godt Nytt Ar&#39; !!<br>
+Polon�s - &#39;Szczesliwego Nowego roku&#39; !!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Happy New Year for all.<div><br></div><div>A. J�nior<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 30 de dezembro de 2010 14:07, MacXi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+Merry Christmas!!!<br>
+<br>
+Feliz ano novo!!!<br>
+<br>
+Alem�o - &#39;Gutes Neues Jahr&#39; !!<br>
+Catal�o - &#39;Bon Any Nou&#39; !!<br>
+Chin�s Mandarim - &#39;Xin nian yu kuai&#39; �!!<br>
+Espanhol - &#39;Feliz Ano Nuevo&#39; !!<br>
+Esperanto - &#39;Bonan Novjaron&#39; !!<br>
+Finland�s - &#39;onnellista Uutta Vuotta&#39; !!<br>
+Franc�s - &#39;Bonne Ann�e&#39; !!<br>
+Gal�s - &#39;Blwyddyn Newydd Dda&#39; !!<br>
+Grego - &#39;Kainourios Chronos&#39; !!<br>
+Hebreu - &#39;Shanah Tovah&#39; !!<br>
+Holand�s - &#39;Gelukkig Nieuwjaar&#39; !!<br>
+H�ngaro - &#39;Boldog Ujevet&#39; !!<br>
+Indonesiano - &#39;Selamat Tahun Baru&#39; !!<br>
+Island�s - &#39;Farsflt Komandi Ar&#39; !!<br>
+Italiano - &#39;Buon Capo d&#39;Anno&#39; !!<br>
+Japon�s - &#39;Akemashite Omedetou Gozaimasu&#39; !!<br>
+Latim - &#39;Annum Faustum&#39; !!<br>
+Noruegu�s - &#39;Godt Nytt Ar&#39; !!<br>
+Polon�s - &#39;Szczesliwego Nowego roku&#39; !!<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/31 Fabio.bronzini <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+Happy New Year 2011!!<br>
+Buon Anno 2011!!<br>
+Bonne Ann�e 2011!!<br></blockquote><div>Feliz A�o Nuevo 2011 ( spanish ) ( feeh-lees an-eeo-oh noo-eh-voh �dohs meel on-ceh ) phonetics included :P�</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Pablo Barrera</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+Fabio Bronzini<br>
+<a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a><br>
+<br>
+MAGEIA Italian Blog - Collaborator<br>
+PISA, Italy - +39.333.6789260<br>
+----------------------------------<br>
+Redazione di Consulenti ICT Italia<br>
+<a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@consulenti-ict.it">fabio.bronzini@consulenti-ict.it</a><br>
+----------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+�--<br>
+�Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu&#39; IMAP, POP3 e SMTP<br>
+autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it: <a href="http://www.email.it/f" target="_blank">http://www.email.it/f</a><br>
+<br>
+�Sponsor:<br>
+�Riccione Relax a Capodanno: Hotel in centro Mezza pensione, solarium, bagno<br>
+turco e massaggio 2 giorni euro 379,00 complessivo per due persone.<br>
+�Clicca qui: <a href="http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=11210&amp;d=20101231" target="_blank">http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=11210&amp;d=20101231</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/12/31 Fabio.bronzini <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+Happy New Year 2011!!<br>
+Buon Anno 2011!!<br>
+Bonne Ann�e 2011!!<br></blockquote><div>Feliz A�o Nuevo 2011 ( spanish ) ( feeh-lees an-eeo-oh noo-eh-voh �dohs meel on-ceh ) phonetics included :P�</div><div><br></div><div>Regards</div><div><br></div><div>Pablo Barrera</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+Fabio Bronzini<br>
+<a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@email.it">fabio.bronzini@email.it</a><br>
+<br>
+MAGEIA Italian Blog - Collaborator<br>
+PISA, Italy - +39.333.6789260<br>
+----------------------------------<br>
+Redazione di Consulenti ICT Italia<br>
+<a href="mailto:fabio.bronzini@consulenti-ict.it">fabio.bronzini@consulenti-ict.it</a><br>
+----------------------------------<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+�--<br>
+�Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu&#39; IMAP, POP3 e SMTP<br>
+autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it: <a href="http://www.email.it/f" target="_blank">http://www.email.it/f</a><br>
+<br>
+�Sponsor:<br>
+�Riccione Relax a Capodanno: Hotel in centro Mezza pensione, solarium, bagno<br>
+turco e massaggio 2 giorni euro 379,00 complessivo per due persone.<br>
+�Clicca qui: <a href="http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=11210&amp;d=20101231" target="_blank">http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=11210&amp;d=20101231</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>I have the following problem (using Mandriva 2010.2): I&#39;m using my computer with 2 monitors and with Ubuntu/Kubuntu it works out of the box.<br>Sure it&#39;s not directly related to Mageia, but i want to improve that thing in Mageia so i have to find out how it works in Ubuntu/Kubuntu so i can improve that issue in Mageia to have a better hardware detection and less time needed in configuring such easy tasks.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Hello,<br><br>I have the following problem (using Mandriva 2010.2): I&#39;m using my computer with 2 monitors and with Ubuntu/Kubuntu it works out of the box.<br>Sure it&#39;s not directly related to Mageia, but i want to improve that thing in Mageia so i have to find out how it works in Ubuntu/Kubuntu so i can improve that issue in Mageia to have a better hardware detection and less time needed in configuring such easy tasks.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Sorry for that. 8)<br>
+<br>
+Daniel,<br>
+If you need some help getting its it up in Mandriva, contact me off the list.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Ok i found a workaround how to solve the problem. When configuring the multi-monitoring with the Catalyst Control Center (I have an amd graphics card) then gnome and kde are able to use both monitors.<div>
+But the CCC from the mandriva Repositories are quite buggy with that, when configuring my system with that driver my system is not able to boot the X-Server anymore, until i make my changes in the xorg.conf back to its default-values.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think we should use the version AMD provides of the fglrx-driver and the ccc because it works better than the ones in the repos i mentioned above.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 7:17 PM, Hoyt Duff <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Sorry for that. 8)<br>
+<br>
+Daniel,<br>
+If you need some help getting its it up in Mandriva, contact me off the list.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Hoyt<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Ok i found a workaround how to solve the problem. When configuring the multi-monitoring with the Catalyst Control Center (I have an amd graphics card) then gnome and kde are able to use both monitors.<div>
+But the CCC from the mandriva Repositories are quite buggy with that, when configuring my system with that driver my system is not able to boot the X-Server anymore, until i make my changes in the xorg.conf back to its default-values.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>I think we should use the version AMD provides of the fglrx-driver and the ccc because it works better than the ones in the repos i mentioned above.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+Julia, <br><br><span id="result_box" class="long_text" lang="en"> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">I added</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">your</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">suggestion</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">on the list</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span><br>
+<br>�<b> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">---&gt;&gt;</span>� <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">25</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Osalta</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">- Open</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Source</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Alternatives</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">-</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps atn">(</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">English</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">)</span></b><br>
+<br> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Thanks for the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">tip</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span><br>
+<br> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Happy</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">new</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">year</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span></span><br>
+<br>MacXi.<br><br><br>F�rum <br>(<a href="http://www.mandrivabrasil.org/site/forum/index.php?topic=12333.msg78606#msg78606">http://www.mandrivabrasil.org/site/forum/index.php?topic=12333.msg78606#msg78606</a>)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/1/2 Julia Jumeau <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:julia.jumeau@orange.fr">julia.jumeau@orange.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The best and uptodate list � linux programs is, but only in english :<br>
+<a href="http://www.osalt.com/" target="_blank">http://www.osalt.com/</a><br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Julia Jumeau<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+&quot;The day we stop learning is the day we die&quot;<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Julia, <br><br><span id="result_box" class="long_text" lang="en"> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">I added</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">your</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">suggestion</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">on the list</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span><br>
+<br>�<b> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">---&gt;&gt;</span>� <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">25</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Osalta</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">- Open</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Source</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Alternatives</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">-</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps atn">(</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">English</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">)</span></b><br>
+<br> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Thanks for the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">tip</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span><br>
+<br> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Happy</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">new</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">year</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span></span><br>
+<br>MacXi.<br><br><br>F�rum <br>(<a href="http://www.mandrivabrasil.org/site/forum/index.php?topic=12333.msg78606#msg78606">http://www.mandrivabrasil.org/site/forum/index.php?topic=12333.msg78606#msg78606</a>)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
+2011/1/2 Julia Jumeau <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:julia.jumeau@orange.fr">julia.jumeau@orange.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The best and uptodate list � linux programs is, but only in english :<br>
+<a href="http://www.osalt.com/" target="_blank">http://www.osalt.com/</a><br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+Julia Jumeau<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+&quot;The day we stop learning is the day we die&quot;<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/10 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Hoyt Duff &lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt; schrieb am 2011-02-10<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; The initial paragraph translates as:<br>
+&gt; Mandriva Linux is a free operating system.<br>
+</div>&gt; ...<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; To me, this does not fully explain the use of &quot;free&quot; in the context<br>
+&gt; of Mandriva/Magia. This topic (free as in beer/free as in freedom)<br>
+&gt; is always one of much debate in any FOSS community. �I propose:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mandriva Linux is an operating system based primarily on Open<br>
+&gt; Source code and licensed in a way to provide users and developers<br>
+&gt; with greater freedom than proprietary, restricted code. �It can be<br>
+&gt; modified and improved by its users and members of the community of<br>
+&gt; this system. The spirit of this system is summarized in a<br>
+&gt; manifesto.<br>
+</div>I think that&#39;s a problem you get through the translation. I&#39;m quite<br>
+sure Thomas used the french word &quot;libre&quot; which doesn&#39;t have the<br>
+distinction in &quot;free as in beer/free as in freedom&quot;.<br>
+I&#39;m afraid it&#39;s only in English and German where you do have that<br>
+double meaning. As far as I know, the french word &quot;libre&quot; can be<br>
+translated in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese in the same way without<br>
+getting any double meaning.<br>
+<br>
+Your workarround isn&#39;t reading that nicely. It shows that you were<br>
+trying to work arround something.<br>
+I think it&#39;s the job of the different translation teams (and we do have<br>
+an English team) to find the right words to describe what they really<br>
+mean.<br>
+Perhaps - in English - it would be better to say:<br>
+<br>
+Mandriva Linux is a free and open source operating system. It can be<br>
+<div class="im">freely modified and improved by its users and members of the community<br>
+of this system.<br>
+<br>
+</div>After all the &quot;Free Software Foundation&quot; doesn&#39;t call itself<br>
+&quot;Foundation for Software licensed in a way to...&quot;<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Hi<br><br>I&#39;ve seen some english-speaking conference where the word &quot;libre&quot; was use instead of &quot;free as free speach&quot;. <br>For one time, it&#39;s english who appropriate an french word. <br>
+
+<br>Perhaps can we use it too ? <br><br><br>My 2 cents<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888">Marianne (Jehane) Lombard<br>
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team<br>
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett</font><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/10 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+Hoyt Duff &lt;<a href="mailto:hoytduff@gmail.com">hoytduff@gmail.com</a>&gt; schrieb am 2011-02-10<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; The initial paragraph translates as:<br>
+&gt; Mandriva Linux is a free operating system.<br>
+</div>&gt; ...<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; To me, this does not fully explain the use of &quot;free&quot; in the context<br>
+&gt; of Mandriva/Magia. This topic (free as in beer/free as in freedom)<br>
+&gt; is always one of much debate in any FOSS community. �I propose:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Mandriva Linux is an operating system based primarily on Open<br>
+&gt; Source code and licensed in a way to provide users and developers<br>
+&gt; with greater freedom than proprietary, restricted code. �It can be<br>
+&gt; modified and improved by its users and members of the community of<br>
+&gt; this system. The spirit of this system is summarized in a<br>
+&gt; manifesto.<br>
+</div>I think that&#39;s a problem you get through the translation. I&#39;m quite<br>
+sure Thomas used the french word &quot;libre&quot; which doesn&#39;t have the<br>
+distinction in &quot;free as in beer/free as in freedom&quot;.<br>
+I&#39;m afraid it&#39;s only in English and German where you do have that<br>
+double meaning. As far as I know, the french word &quot;libre&quot; can be<br>
+translated in Italian, Spanish and Portuguese in the same way without<br>
+getting any double meaning.<br>
+<br>
+Your workarround isn&#39;t reading that nicely. It shows that you were<br>
+trying to work arround something.<br>
+I think it&#39;s the job of the different translation teams (and we do have<br>
+an English team) to find the right words to describe what they really<br>
+mean.<br>
+Perhaps - in English - it would be better to say:<br>
+<br>
+Mandriva Linux is a free and open source operating system. It can be<br>
+<div class="im">freely modified and improved by its users and members of the community<br>
+of this system.<br>
+<br>
+</div>After all the &quot;Free Software Foundation&quot; doesn&#39;t call itself<br>
+&quot;Foundation for Software licensed in a way to...&quot;<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Hi<br><br>I&#39;ve seen some english-speaking conference where the word &quot;libre&quot; was use instead of &quot;free as free speach&quot;. <br>For one time, it&#39;s english who appropriate an french word. <br>
+
+<br>Perhaps can we use it too ? <br><br><br>My 2 cents<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><font color="#888888">Marianne (Jehane) Lombard<br>
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team<br>
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett</font><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/10 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 09/02/2011 21:22, Samuel Verschelde a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le mercredi 9 f�vrier 2011 21:20:13, Samuel Verschelde a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I was given the task to write a contributing howto, so that we could link<br>
+to it from the alpha download page (and from other pages if considered<br>
+useful).<br>
+<br>
+However, I&#39;m sure I can delegate this task so that I can keep working on<br>
+other matters.<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s why I&#39;m sending this to the mailing list : what should we say in<br>
+this page, what layout, etc. ? If someone wants to propose a detailed<br>
+outline for such a page that we could discuss, it would greatly help !<br>
+<br>
+Thanks in advance.<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<br>
+Samuel<br>
+</blockquote>
+I forgot to say what was implicit for me but could have to be precised : this<br>
+is meant to be the starting point for people wanting to help, whatever their<br>
+skills. The goal is probably to explain what kind of help people can give,<br>
+then explain how they can give this help once they have chosen one or several<br>
+areas of interest.<br>
+<br>
+Samuel<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I have started to work on this on the Mandriva wiki, still in french, and I could not finish it yet in french. But the basics are there. Perhaps we could use this in the next wiki for Mageia and complete it for every language.<br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer</a><br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Thomas.<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>A good template may also be GNOME&#39;s site�<a href="http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome">http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome</a>. It seems to cover all possible themes shortly and mattef-of-factly, though, of course, content could and should be different. OTOH Mandriva&#39;s site is visually more attractive.</div>
+<div><br></div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/10 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 09/02/2011 21:22, Samuel Verschelde a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le mercredi 9 f�vrier 2011 21:20:13, Samuel Verschelde a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I was given the task to write a contributing howto, so that we could link<br>
+to it from the alpha download page (and from other pages if considered<br>
+useful).<br>
+<br>
+However, I&#39;m sure I can delegate this task so that I can keep working on<br>
+other matters.<br>
+<br>
+That&#39;s why I&#39;m sending this to the mailing list : what should we say in<br>
+this page, what layout, etc. ? If someone wants to propose a detailed<br>
+outline for such a page that we could discuss, it would greatly help !<br>
+<br>
+Thanks in advance.<br>
+<br>
+Regards<br>
+<br>
+Samuel<br>
+</blockquote>
+I forgot to say what was implicit for me but could have to be precised : this<br>
+is meant to be the starting point for people wanting to help, whatever their<br>
+skills. The goal is probably to explain what kind of help people can give,<br>
+then explain how they can give this help once they have chosen one or several<br>
+areas of interest.<br>
+<br>
+Samuel<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I have started to work on this on the Mandriva wiki, still in french, and I could not finish it yet in french. But the basics are there. Perhaps we could use this in the next wiki for Mageia and complete it for every language.<br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer" target="_blank">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/Les_diff%C3%A9rentes_fa%C3%A7ons_de_contribuer</a><br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Thomas.<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>A good template may also be GNOME&#39;s site�<a href="http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome">http://live.gnome.org/JoinGnome</a>. It seems to cover all possible themes shortly and mattef-of-factly, though, of course, content could and should be different. OTOH Mandriva&#39;s site is visually more attractive.</div>
+<div><br></div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:40 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; imo, we can probably use $name and config it, so forks can just reconfigure.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; also, why not Mageia Kitchen or AppKitchen ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, localisations (localisations) will require it to be some sort of<br>
+variable, I suppose.<br>
+<br>
+I like AppKitchen.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Simon<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div><br>I thing AppKitchen is god but maybe AppWorld or AppStorage is better ? <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:40 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; imo, we can probably use $name and config it, so forks can just reconfigure.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; also, why not Mageia Kitchen or AppKitchen ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, localisations (localisations) will require it to be some sort of<br>
+variable, I suppose.<br>
+<br>
+I like AppKitchen.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Simon<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div><br>I thing AppKitchen is god but maybe AppWorld or AppStorage is better ? <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Mariusz Woźniak <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mwozniak00@gmail.com">mwozniak00@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk" target="_blank">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<div>On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:40 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; imo, we can probably use $name and config it, so forks can just reconfigure.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; also, why not Mageia Kitchen or AppKitchen ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, localisations (localisations) will require it to be some sort of<br>
+variable, I suppose.<br>
+<br>
+I like AppKitchen.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Simon<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div><br>I thing AppKitchen is god but maybe AppWorld or AppStorage is better ? <br></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Why don&#39;t call it software portal ?<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Mariusz Woźniak <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mwozniak00@gmail.com">mwozniak00@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/11 Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk" target="_blank">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+
+<div>On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:40 +0100, Maarten Vanraes wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; imo, we can probably use $name and config it, so forks can just reconfigure.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; also, why not Mageia Kitchen or AppKitchen ?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Well, localisations (localisations) will require it to be some sort of<br>
+variable, I suppose.<br>
+<br>
+I like AppKitchen.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Simon<br>
+<br></font></blockquote><div><br>I thing AppKitchen is god but maybe AppWorld or AppStorage is better ? <br></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Why don&#39;t call it software portal ?<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Grüßen<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div>MAD = <img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" src="cid:gtalk.328@goomoji.gmail" goomoji="gtalk.328"> Muttualy Assured Distruction... :))</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>NOT a very good ideea to name it that way :))</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>We can try... ( i came up empty)...  :(</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>Bogo </div>
+<div> </div>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2011 14:11, Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:51 +0100, Rémi Verschelde wrote:<br>&gt; 2011/2/11 Catalin Florin RUSSEN &lt;<a href="mailto:cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk">cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt;:<br>&gt; &gt; Mageia&#39;s Spell Book ?<br>
+
+&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;  Best regards,<br>&gt; &gt; Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br></div>
+<div class="im">&gt; I also looked for &quot;formula&quot; : φορμαλεία (phormaleia).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; But using greek words may not be the best solution for Mageia-app-db.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; Rémi<br><br></div>
+
+&quot;MagApps&quot;?<br>I know it sounds horrible, but it&#39;s what &quot;Mageia Applications Database&quot;<br>would naturally get abbreviated to...<br><font color="#888888"><br>Simon<br><br></font></blockquote></div><br>
+
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+<div>MAD = <img style="MARGIN: 0px 0.2ex; VERTICAL-ALIGN: middle" src="cid:gtalk.328@goomoji.gmail" goomoji="gtalk.328"> Muttualy Assured Distruction... :))</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>NOT a very good ideea to name it that way :))</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>We can try... ( i came up empty)...  :(</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>Bogo </div>
+<div> </div>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2011 14:11, Simon Parsons <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:nzg@jrc.co.uk">nzg@jrc.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:51 +0100, Rémi Verschelde wrote:<br>&gt; 2011/2/11 Catalin Florin RUSSEN &lt;<a href="mailto:cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk">cfrussen@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt;:<br>&gt; &gt; Mageia&#39;s Spell Book ?<br>
+
+&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt;  Best regards,<br>&gt; &gt; Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br></div>
+<div class="im">&gt; I also looked for &quot;formula&quot; : φορμαλεία (phormaleia).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; But using greek words may not be the best solution for Mageia-app-db.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; Rémi<br><br></div>
+
+&quot;MagApps&quot;?<br>I know it sounds horrible, but it&#39;s what &quot;Mageia Applications Database&quot;<br>would naturally get abbreviated to...<br><font color="#888888"><br>Simon<br><br></font></blockquote></div><br>
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>I&#39;m listing some names that I think is good.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Mageia App Center *</div><div>Mageia Spell Book</div><div>Mageia App Box</div><div>Mageia App Market</div><div>Mageia Software Database</div>
+<div><br></div><div>* This is my favourite.�</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div><div>Mageia Brazilian Team</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>I&#39;m listing some names that I think is good.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Mageia App Center *</div><div>Mageia Spell Book</div><div>Mageia App Box</div><div>Mageia App Market</div><div>Mageia Software Database</div>
+<div><br></div><div>* This is my favourite.�</div><div><br></div><div>A. J�nior</div><div>Mageia Brazilian Team</div>
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+<div>Hey guys :)</div>
+<div>�</div>
+<div>How about &quot;App Cauldron&quot; or &quot;App Cube&quot; (referring to cubing in SQL BIDS apps)</div>
+<div>�</div>
+<div>Best regards,</div>
+<div>Bogo</div>
+<div>Romanian Translation Team<br><br></div>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2011 00:58, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">As Marcello pointed out, mageia-app-db is not the best name we can find for our<br>application database.<br>
+
+<br>So let&#39;s try to find one :)<br><br>Some constraints :<br>- preferably a name without &quot;Mageia&quot; in it. Why ? Because this tool could be<br>used for various distributions. Of course, the Mageia instance will have<br>
+
+Mageia&#39;s logo and name on it (and we are creating it as a part of the Mageia<br>project), but if someday another distribution wants to use it, it will feel<br>weird to have Mageia in the application name. In fact, I already plan to run<br>
+
+instances of the application for opensuse, fedora and mandriva (no, nobody<br>asked me to do it, but it will be easy to do, and this will help me keep in<br>mind that the application must not entirely depend on distribution specific<br>
+
+stuff, or only via modules/plugins).<br>- a name with a meaning carrying at least some part of the goals of the<br>application, but without forgetting that it&#39;s still an application (and<br>packages) database.<br><br>
+
+Some people have already proposed :<br><br>Mageia Find Out<br>Mageia Application Database/Discovery/Foundry<br>Mageia Application Warehouse/Mall/Store/Shop<br>Mageia - Explore Applications<br>Mageia - World of Applications<br>
+
+<br>But other suggestions are still welcome.<br><br>Best regards<br><font color="#888888"><br>Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>Hey guys :)</div>
+<div>�</div>
+<div>How about &quot;App Cauldron&quot; or &quot;App Cube&quot; (referring to cubing in SQL BIDS apps)</div>
+<div>�</div>
+<div>Best regards,</div>
+<div>Bogo</div>
+<div>Romanian Translation Team<br><br></div>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On 11 February 2011 00:58, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">As Marcello pointed out, mageia-app-db is not the best name we can find for our<br>application database.<br>
+
+<br>So let&#39;s try to find one :)<br><br>Some constraints :<br>- preferably a name without &quot;Mageia&quot; in it. Why ? Because this tool could be<br>used for various distributions. Of course, the Mageia instance will have<br>
+
+Mageia&#39;s logo and name on it (and we are creating it as a part of the Mageia<br>project), but if someday another distribution wants to use it, it will feel<br>weird to have Mageia in the application name. In fact, I already plan to run<br>
+
+instances of the application for opensuse, fedora and mandriva (no, nobody<br>asked me to do it, but it will be easy to do, and this will help me keep in<br>mind that the application must not entirely depend on distribution specific<br>
+
+stuff, or only via modules/plugins).<br>- a name with a meaning carrying at least some part of the goals of the<br>application, but without forgetting that it&#39;s still an application (and<br>packages) database.<br><br>
+
+Some people have already proposed :<br><br>Mageia Find Out<br>Mageia Application Database/Discovery/Foundry<br>Mageia Application Warehouse/Mall/Store/Shop<br>Mageia - Explore Applications<br>Mageia - World of Applications<br>
+
+<br>But other suggestions are still welcome.<br><br>Best regards<br><font color="#888888"><br>Samuel Verschelde<br></font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:02, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Le vendredi 11 f�vrier 2011 11:53:28, Michael Scherer a �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Le jeudi 10 f�vrier 2011 � 23:58 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a �crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; As Marcello pointed out, mageia-app-db is not the best name we can find<br>
+&gt; &gt; for our application database.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; So let&#39;s try to find one :)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Some constraints :<br>
+&gt; &gt; - preferably a name without &quot;Mageia&quot; in it. Why ? Because this tool could<br>
+&gt; &gt; be used for various distributions. Of course, the Mageia instance will<br>
+&gt; &gt; have Mageia&#39;s logo and name on it (and we are creating it as a part of<br>
+&gt; &gt; the Mageia project), but if someday another distribution wants to use it,<br>
+&gt; &gt; it will feel weird to have Mageia in the application name. In fact, I<br>
+&gt; &gt; already plan to run instances of the application for opensuse, fedora and<br>
+&gt; &gt; mandriva (no, nobody asked me to do it, but it will be easy to do, and<br>
+&gt; &gt; this will help me keep in mind that the application must not entirely<br>
+&gt; &gt; depend on distribution specific stuff, or only via modules/plugins).<br>
+&gt; &gt; - a name with a meaning carrying at least some part of the goals of the<br>
+&gt; &gt; application, but without forgetting that it&#39;s still an application (and<br>
+&gt; &gt; packages) database.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What about adding :<br>
+&gt; - a name that could inspire a logo<br>
+&gt; - a name that is not trademarked<br>
+&gt; - a name that is not already used on freshmeat nor as a package on the<br>
+&gt; major distro<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Indeed, that was kind of implicit, but better saying it loud :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>AppScope ?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:02, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+Le vendredi 11 f�vrier 2011 11:53:28, Michael Scherer a �crit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Le jeudi 10 f�vrier 2011 � 23:58 +0100, Samuel Verschelde a �crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; As Marcello pointed out, mageia-app-db is not the best name we can find<br>
+&gt; &gt; for our application database.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; So let&#39;s try to find one :)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Some constraints :<br>
+&gt; &gt; - preferably a name without &quot;Mageia&quot; in it. Why ? Because this tool could<br>
+&gt; &gt; be used for various distributions. Of course, the Mageia instance will<br>
+&gt; &gt; have Mageia&#39;s logo and name on it (and we are creating it as a part of<br>
+&gt; &gt; the Mageia project), but if someday another distribution wants to use it,<br>
+&gt; &gt; it will feel weird to have Mageia in the application name. In fact, I<br>
+&gt; &gt; already plan to run instances of the application for opensuse, fedora and<br>
+&gt; &gt; mandriva (no, nobody asked me to do it, but it will be easy to do, and<br>
+&gt; &gt; this will help me keep in mind that the application must not entirely<br>
+&gt; &gt; depend on distribution specific stuff, or only via modules/plugins).<br>
+&gt; &gt; - a name with a meaning carrying at least some part of the goals of the<br>
+&gt; &gt; application, but without forgetting that it&#39;s still an application (and<br>
+&gt; &gt; packages) database.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; What about adding :<br>
+&gt; - a name that could inspire a logo<br>
+&gt; - a name that is not trademarked<br>
+&gt; - a name that is not already used on freshmeat nor as a package on the<br>
+&gt; major distro<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Indeed, that was kind of implicit, but better saying it loud :)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Samuel<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>AppScope ?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Someone asked for words with greek roots :<br>
+    <br>
+    In Greece there was a place to meet, to discuss : <br>
+    Agora (&#913;&#947;&#959;&#961;&#945;) <br>
+    It seems better for the purpose of app-db than market place ...<br>
+    <br>
+    I know that some company uses a derivative of this word (Linagora)
+    and don't know if there are trademarks about other similar words...
+    like :<br>
+    <br>
+    appagora<br>
+    applicagora<br>
+    agorapackage<br>
+    mageiagora (maybe to wide : we may think it's like a forum about the
+    whole distribution)<br>
+    packagora<br>
+    agorapps<br>
+    <br>
+    magorapps (mixing mageia agora apps)<br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if we talk about infos about applications (like in a library) we
+    could also use <br>
+    appotheque <br>
+    applicotheque<br>
+    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (an hybrid with greek and latin roots built like bibliotheque
+    &#946;&#953;&#946;&#955;&#953;&#959;&#952;&#951;&#954;&#951;, sounds like apotheke in german which &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; means
+    pharmacy, not too far from mageia)<br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A canonical neo-logism would be <br>
+    logismikotheque (&#955;&#959;&#947;&#953;&#963;&#956;&#943;&#954;&#959;&#952;&#951;&#954;&#951;) not so easy to understand<br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What with :<br>
+    mageiatheque : this allows to play with words as &#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;<span
+      class="wording">&#943;</span>&#945; (mageia) means magic,&nbsp; &#956;&#940;&#947;&#953;&#945; (m<u>a</u>gia)
+    means spells (like in "I &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; put a spell on you" ; not spelling
+    word...)&nbsp; and &#956;&#945;&#947;&#953;&#940; (magi<u>a</u>) means yeast that may be used by a
+    cook (who got &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; its name from this word : &#956;&#940;&#947;&#949;&#953;&#961;&#945;&#962; m<u>a</u>geiras)<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Someone asked for words with greek roots :<br>
+    <br>
+    In Greece there was a place to meet, to discuss : <br>
+    Agora (&#913;&#947;&#959;&#961;&#945;) <br>
+    It seems better for the purpose of app-db than market place ...<br>
+    <br>
+    I know that some company uses a derivative of this word (Linagora)
+    and don't know if there are trademarks about other similar words...
+    like :<br>
+    <br>
+    appagora<br>
+    applicagora<br>
+    agorapackage<br>
+    mageiagora (maybe to wide : we may think it's like a forum about the
+    whole distribution)<br>
+    packagora<br>
+    agorapps<br>
+    <br>
+    magorapps (mixing mageia agora apps)<br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if we talk about infos about applications (like in a library) we
+    could also use <br>
+    appotheque <br>
+    applicotheque<br>
+    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (an hybrid with greek and latin roots built like bibliotheque
+    &#946;&#953;&#946;&#955;&#953;&#959;&#952;&#951;&#954;&#951;, sounds like apotheke in german which &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; means
+    pharmacy, not too far from mageia)<br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A canonical neo-logism would be <br>
+    logismikotheque (&#955;&#959;&#947;&#953;&#963;&#956;&#943;&#954;&#959;&#952;&#951;&#954;&#951;) not so easy to understand<br>
+    <br>
+    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; What with :<br>
+    mageiatheque : this allows to play with words as &#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;<span
+      class="wording">&#943;</span>&#945; (mageia) means magic,&nbsp; &#956;&#940;&#947;&#953;&#945; (m<u>a</u>gia)
+    means spells (like in "I &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; put a spell on you" ; not spelling
+    word...)&nbsp; and &#956;&#945;&#947;&#953;&#940; (magi<u>a</u>) means yeast that may be used by a
+    cook (who got &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; its name from this word : &#956;&#940;&#947;&#949;&#953;&#961;&#945;&#962; m<u>a</u>geiras)<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 20:30, P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+I&#39;d be more concerned if somebody else already uses &quot;agora&quot; for some product<br>
+(with a quick check, I couldn&#39;t notice any &quot;mandrake&quot;-like case of<br>
+competition), rather than mis-interpretations.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote></div>Well, yes; I had thougt of agora this morning.<br>I like it very much, but, at least in France it is already used :<br><br><a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_%28homonymie%29">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_%28homonymie%29</a><br clear="all">
+<br>amongst others : a free software used by the french administration<br><br><a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_%28logiciel_libre%29">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_%28logiciel_libre%29</a><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 20:30, P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:p_christ@hol.gr">p_christ@hol.gr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+I&#39;d be more concerned if somebody else already uses &quot;agora&quot; for some product<br>
+(with a quick check, I couldn&#39;t notice any &quot;mandrake&quot;-like case of<br>
+competition), rather than mis-interpretations.<br>
+<div><div></div><br></div></blockquote></div>Well, yes; I had thougt of agora this morning.<br>I like it very much, but, at least in France it is already used :<br><br><a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_%28homonymie%29">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_%28homonymie%29</a><br clear="all">
+<br>amongst others : a free software used by the french administration<br><br><a href="http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_%28logiciel_libre%29">http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora_%28logiciel_libre%29</a><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
+
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+MagicADB would be more appropiate.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/13 Dale Huckeby <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, 12 Feb 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 00:00:09 +0100, Rémi Verschelde wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2011/2/11 George J. Walsh &lt;<a href="mailto:gjwalsh@dscvcp.org" target="_blank">gjwalsh@dscvcp.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Or maybe, with tongue in cheek, PackRack?<br>
+<br>
+I get a little weary of the app thing (too much of the Apple core in<br>
+there!) A package is a pack and a rack is where one stores one&#39;s packs.<br>
+<br>
+George<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I&#39;m not too fond of the App-Whatever either, sounds too Apple-ish to me.<br>
+I don&#39;t really like terms such as Store or Market which evocate buying<br>
+stuff, I think the main purpose of Mageia-app-db will be to install<br>
+free/non-free but free of charge softwares.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well, to me, the name market and all of it connotations is quite consumerist, and<br>
+doesn&#39;t really fit with the spirit of a community distribution, based on collaboration<br>
+more than pure commercial exchange as the various proposed name implies.<br>
+<br>
+When samuel presented his idea, I was quite interested because it would allows me as a packager<br>
+to find who would be ok to test packages, to collaborate when i need confirmation for a bug<br>
+and so on.<br>
+<br>
+But it seems that the vast majority of proposal are geared toward replicating the model<br>
+of Apple Appstore, Google market and others :<br>
+- app market, app box, software database, app center, Appworld, software portal.<br>
+<br>
+Where is the collaboration in all of this ?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+How about MagicAp, then?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+MagicADB would be more appropiate.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/13 Dale Huckeby <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, 12 Feb 2011, Michael Scherer wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 00:00:09 +0100, Rémi Verschelde wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+2011/2/11 George J. Walsh &lt;<a href="mailto:gjwalsh@dscvcp.org" target="_blank">gjwalsh@dscvcp.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Or maybe, with tongue in cheek, PackRack?<br>
+<br>
+I get a little weary of the app thing (too much of the Apple core in<br>
+there!) A package is a pack and a rack is where one stores one&#39;s packs.<br>
+<br>
+George<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+I&#39;m not too fond of the App-Whatever either, sounds too Apple-ish to me.<br>
+I don&#39;t really like terms such as Store or Market which evocate buying<br>
+stuff, I think the main purpose of Mageia-app-db will be to install<br>
+free/non-free but free of charge softwares.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Well, to me, the name market and all of it connotations is quite consumerist, and<br>
+doesn&#39;t really fit with the spirit of a community distribution, based on collaboration<br>
+more than pure commercial exchange as the various proposed name implies.<br>
+<br>
+When samuel presented his idea, I was quite interested because it would allows me as a packager<br>
+to find who would be ok to test packages, to collaborate when i need confirmation for a bug<br>
+and so on.<br>
+<br>
+But it seems that the vast majority of proposal are geared toward replicating the model<br>
+of Apple Appstore, Google market and others :<br>
+- app market, app box, software database, app center, Appworld, software portal.<br>
+<br>
+Where is the collaboration in all of this ?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+How about MagicAp, then?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+Dale Huckeby</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 13/02/11 01:14, Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4D57308C.3000601@laposte.net" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">I proposed packalog but if you want to avoid pack in the name we could
+as well try
+appalog (linking with catalog)
+or even
+
+applogia (not apologia !!!!) or appsologia or applicologia
+building it the same way as science or discuss about something
+(eco-logia, psycho-logia, etc...) not very nice for a linguist because
+being an hybrid of latin and greek roots (nevertheless quite easy to
+understand)
+it ends nearly the same as mageia (and is pronounced the same way...)
+logismikologia would be more canonical (using only greek roots) but less
+understandable
+
+Making hybrids from english and greek may push a linguist to hara-kiri
+(or indeed seppuku 切腹) but is quite funny :
+softologia softolog and may be understood by everybody !
+
+
+
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    How about - "<b>App</b>(lication) - <b>Buffet</b>" or perhaps "<b>Soft</b>(ware)
+    - <b>Buffet</b>" maybe just "<b>Mageia Buffet</b>"<br>
+    <br>
+    In the context of food people get to pick and choose from a variety
+    of offerings and perhaps comment about<br>
+    their choices at the table.<br>
+    <br>
+    Also the word "Buffet" is I believe relevant across a variety of
+    languages.<br>
+    <br>
+    Rob<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    On 13/02/11 01:14, Philippe DIDIER wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4D57308C.3000601@laposte.net" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">I proposed packalog but if you want to avoid pack in the name we could
+as well try
+appalog (linking with catalog)
+or even
+
+applogia (not apologia !!!!) or appsologia or applicologia
+building it the same way as science or discuss about something
+(eco-logia, psycho-logia, etc...) not very nice for a linguist because
+being an hybrid of latin and greek roots (nevertheless quite easy to
+understand)
+it ends nearly the same as mageia (and is pronounced the same way...)
+logismikologia would be more canonical (using only greek roots) but less
+understandable
+
+Making hybrids from english and greek may push a linguist to hara-kiri
+(or indeed seppuku 切腹) but is quite funny :
+softologia softolog and may be understood by everybody !
+
+
+
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    How about - "<b>App</b>(lication) - <b>Buffet</b>" or perhaps "<b>Soft</b>(ware)
+    - <b>Buffet</b>" maybe just "<b>Mageia Buffet</b>"<br>
+    <br>
+    In the context of food people get to pick and choose from a variety
+    of offerings and perhaps comment about<br>
+    their choices at the table.<br>
+    <br>
+    Also the word "Buffet" is I believe relevant across a variety of
+    languages.<br>
+    <br>
+    Rob<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">And my preferred for now :<br>
+<br>
+- Applications Galaxy (where each application is a small star in the galaxy).<br>
+I have a good feeling for <a href="http://galaxy.mageia.org" target="_blank">galaxy.mageia.org</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I Like Galaxy name.</div><div><br></div><div>Galaxy App Center�</div><div><br></div><div>
+J�nior</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">And my preferred for now :<br>
+<br>
+- Applications Galaxy (where each application is a small star in the galaxy).<br>
+I have a good feeling for <a href="http://galaxy.mageia.org" target="_blank">galaxy.mageia.org</a></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I Like Galaxy name.</div><div><br></div><div>Galaxy App Center�</div><div><br></div><div>
+J�nior</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/15 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Tuesday 15 February 2011, my mailbox was graced by a missive<br>
+<div class="im">�from Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt; who wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron" target="_blank">ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron</a> in your ftp<br>
+&gt; &gt; client.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; It&#39;s a problem with our ftp. When he&#39;s getting too many anonymous<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; connections, he&#39;s asking for login and password instead of simply saying<br>
+&gt; &quot;too many connections&quot;.<br>
+&gt; Try the http link, it&#39;s working.<br>
+<br>
+</div>What http link ?</blockquote><div>�If you look on�<a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org/">http://mirrors.mageia.org/</a>, you&#39;ll find an http and an ftp link...</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/15 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Tuesday 15 February 2011, my mailbox was graced by a missive<br>
+<div class="im">�from Oliver Burger &lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt; who wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron" target="_blank">ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron</a> in your ftp<br>
+&gt; &gt; client.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; It&#39;s a problem with our ftp. When he&#39;s getting too many anonymous<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; connections, he&#39;s asking for login and password instead of simply saying<br>
+&gt; &quot;too many connections&quot;.<br>
+&gt; Try the http link, it&#39;s working.<br>
+<br>
+</div>What http link ?</blockquote><div>�If you look on�<a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org/">http://mirrors.mageia.org/</a>, you&#39;ll find an http and an ftp link...</div></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+<br>
+<br>
+Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+<blockquote cite="mid:201102152312.25446.maarten.vanraes@gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">Op dinsdag 15 februari 2011 22:01:21 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">Maarten Vanraes skrev 15.2.2011 22:34:
+    </pre>
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">These are my own very conchise first impressions:
+
+
+- no btrfs? (except in advanced setup)
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">I think we can enable support for btrfs in standard setup
+(but I dont think we should go for it as default yet...)
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+exactly, i looked at the list, and it lists ext3, ext4, xfs, jfs, etc... btrfs 
+could easily be there amongst those.
+
+I would indeed wait to set it by default when it has been more used and proven 
+as stable. (perhaps one or two releases further)
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- core media
+This screen was never clear to me, and i never selected it, however,
+perhaps for iso installation, a mirror repository should be
+automatically there and selected by default? so that if there's updates,
+they can already be used during installation... ? WDYT?
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">Well, that page is to give the user the choice to add a mirror repo if
+she/she wants it, but not forcing it...
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+i'm just thinking if we list some form of updates there by default, it could 
+mean faster install (no updates later on), and if something wasn't functional, 
+at release time, it could be "pushed" from repositories, so that it would work 
+well.
+
+at the same time, i think we should try to minimize the amount of packages 
+needed to have working network, (or use the stuff that's in the stage tarballs 
+to get network, instead of first installing part of it)
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- i selected HTTP and it installed a few packages so i could enable
+networking (2min)
+- the partition step kept being highlighted, even when i was configuring
+network...
+- <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://distrib">http://distrib</a>-
+coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64 didn't
+seem to work when configuring additional media
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">It might have been overloaded, so no free download slots...
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+perhaps, i'm not sure
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- KDE choice (very funny artwork :-D )
+- installing (5min)
+- when configuring, wizard said my password was trivial to guess, even
+though i had letter and digits in it with total length 8
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">A good pasword should contain a mix of atleast 3 of theese:
+- lower-case characters
+- upper-case characters
+- numbers
+- special characters
+
+and preferably &gt;=10 characters
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+so, it's either trivial or good? no inbetweens?
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- perhaps the iso media should be removed after installation and when
+updated media are installed? it keeps requesting for the DVD...
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">That would mean getting network traffic, even if you have it on the iso.
+And the user can always change it in the media manager
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+how often do you have people installing ISO, then removing iso, to boot from 
+disk; only to find out that you have to put it in again to install a few 
+applications. granted the first reboot doesn't boot from the iso, but the 
+subsequent boots do use the iso...
+
+otoh, indeed it could mean increased network traffic...
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- vim didn't show a color scheme for /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg .
+- trying to update with urpmi --auto-select showed me that i had an
+orphaned package ? kernel-desktop-devel ? odd...
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">urpmi orphans detection isn't perfect yet...
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+i don't think this is the problem, tbh, i'm wondering why it was even 
+installed? (unless it was for dkms stuff?)
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">logs vbox3 guest: (vbox3 is still in 2010.2, so perhaps we should have
+vbox3 compatibility?)
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">vbox 4 is in 2010.2 backports
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+true, but would you dare to upgrade an existing vbox3 version to vbox4? i have 
+several machines that are "saved"...
+
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+See: comments:<br>
+<i>Preliminary testing shows Virtual Box Appliances from ver 3.1.10-12
+import and function well in ver 4.0.x and visa-versa </i> 12/26/2010
+satellit<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files#VirtualBox">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files#VirtualBox</a><br>
+<br>
+I default to .vmdk and .ovf for export and import and do not use new
+.ova format for exports to maintain compatibility.<br>
+<br>
+Tom Gilliard<br>
+satellit_ on freenode IRC<br>
+<blockquote cite="mid:201102152312.25446.maarten.vanraes@gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap=""></pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">--
+Thomas
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
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+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+<br>
+<br>
+Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+<blockquote cite="mid:201102152312.25446.maarten.vanraes@gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">Op dinsdag 15 februari 2011 22:01:21 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">Maarten Vanraes skrev 15.2.2011 22:34:
+    </pre>
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">These are my own very conchise first impressions:
+
+
+- no btrfs? (except in advanced setup)
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">I think we can enable support for btrfs in standard setup
+(but I dont think we should go for it as default yet...)
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+exactly, i looked at the list, and it lists ext3, ext4, xfs, jfs, etc... btrfs 
+could easily be there amongst those.
+
+I would indeed wait to set it by default when it has been more used and proven 
+as stable. (perhaps one or two releases further)
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- core media
+This screen was never clear to me, and i never selected it, however,
+perhaps for iso installation, a mirror repository should be
+automatically there and selected by default? so that if there's updates,
+they can already be used during installation... ? WDYT?
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">Well, that page is to give the user the choice to add a mirror repo if
+she/she wants it, but not forcing it...
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+i'm just thinking if we list some form of updates there by default, it could 
+mean faster install (no updates later on), and if something wasn't functional, 
+at release time, it could be "pushed" from repositories, so that it would work 
+well.
+
+at the same time, i think we should try to minimize the amount of packages 
+needed to have working network, (or use the stuff that's in the stage tarballs 
+to get network, instead of first installing part of it)
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- i selected HTTP and it installed a few packages so i could enable
+networking (2min)
+- the partition step kept being highlighted, even when i was configuring
+network...
+- <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://distrib">http://distrib</a>-
+coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64 didn't
+seem to work when configuring additional media
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">It might have been overloaded, so no free download slots...
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+perhaps, i'm not sure
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- KDE choice (very funny artwork :-D )
+- installing (5min)
+- when configuring, wizard said my password was trivial to guess, even
+though i had letter and digits in it with total length 8
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">A good pasword should contain a mix of atleast 3 of theese:
+- lower-case characters
+- upper-case characters
+- numbers
+- special characters
+
+and preferably &gt;=10 characters
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+so, it's either trivial or good? no inbetweens?
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- perhaps the iso media should be removed after installation and when
+updated media are installed? it keeps requesting for the DVD...
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">That would mean getting network traffic, even if you have it on the iso.
+And the user can always change it in the media manager
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+how often do you have people installing ISO, then removing iso, to boot from 
+disk; only to find out that you have to put it in again to install a few 
+applications. granted the first reboot doesn't boot from the iso, but the 
+subsequent boots do use the iso...
+
+otoh, indeed it could mean increased network traffic...
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">- vim didn't show a color scheme for /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg .
+- trying to update with urpmi --auto-select showed me that i had an
+orphaned package ? kernel-desktop-devel ? odd...
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">urpmi orphans detection isn't perfect yet...
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+i don't think this is the problem, tbh, i'm wondering why it was even 
+installed? (unless it was for dkms stuff?)
+
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">logs vbox3 guest: (vbox3 is still in 2010.2, so perhaps we should have
+vbox3 compatibility?)
+      </pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">vbox 4 is in 2010.2 backports
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+true, but would you dare to upgrade an existing vbox3 version to vbox4? i have 
+several machines that are "saved"...
+
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+See: comments:<br>
+<i>Preliminary testing shows Virtual Box Appliances from ver 3.1.10-12
+import and function well in ver 4.0.x and visa-versa </i> 12/26/2010
+satellit<br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files#VirtualBox">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files#VirtualBox</a><br>
+<br>
+I default to .vmdk and .ovf for export and import and do not use new
+.ova format for exports to maintain compatibility.<br>
+<br>
+Tom Gilliard<br>
+satellit_ on freenode IRC<br>
+<blockquote cite="mid:201102152312.25446.maarten.vanraes@gmail.com"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap=""></pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">--
+Thomas
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
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+I also find the alpha quite nice, sure a few bugs are in there which will be fixed soon i think.<br><br>At the moment i&#39;m installing it on my external hard drive to test it with all my hardware available to make sure everything works.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Dj Marian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:djmarian4u@yahoo.com">djmarian4u@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">Hy,<div><br></div><div>i like it, no problems so far...</div><div>i installed the lxde version on an intel atom 330</div><div>
+i don&#39;t know how much of the work was done by our own mageia team, but i&#39;m sure it&#39;s allot and they have done a very good job</div><div>i&#39;m more of a quality type of guy so steady work will do just fine for me</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers!!!!</div></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+      </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+I also find the alpha quite nice, sure a few bugs are in there which will be fixed soon i think.<br><br>At the moment i&#39;m installing it on my external hard drive to test it with all my hardware available to make sure everything works.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, Dj Marian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:djmarian4u@yahoo.com">djmarian4u@yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">Hy,<div><br></div><div>i like it, no problems so far...</div><div>i installed the lxde version on an intel atom 330</div><div>
+i don&#39;t know how much of the work was done by our own mageia team, but i&#39;m sure it&#39;s allot and they have done a very good job</div><div>i&#39;m more of a quality type of guy so steady work will do just fine for me</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Cheers!!!!</div></td></tr></tbody></table><br>
+
+      </blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<p>Thanks Thomas, that was quick. </p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 15 Feb 2011 16:29, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>Thomas Backlund skrev 15.2.2011 17:37:<p><font color="#500050"><br>&gt;<br>&gt; Donald Stewart skrev 15.2.2011 17:33:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; How has everybody managed to get wireless workin...</font></p>
+wireless-tools and wpa_supplicant is now available<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></p>
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+<p>Thanks Thomas, that was quick. </p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 15 Feb 2011 16:29, &quot;Thomas Backlund&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@iki.fi">tmb@iki.fi</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>Thomas Backlund skrev 15.2.2011 17:37:<p><font color="#500050"><br>&gt;<br>&gt; Donald Stewart skrev 15.2.2011 17:33:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; How has everybody managed to get wireless workin...</font></p>
+wireless-tools and wpa_supplicant is now available<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></p>
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+in the errata is written that you should use virtualbox version 4.x and with that version everything works fine.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">These are my own very conchise first impressions:<br>
+<br>
+overall, i&#39;m very impressed with what i see. i thought it&#39;d be worse.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+- no rescue (as expected, even though the option is listed)<br>
+- when looking at the grub/gfxboot menu?, the text only shows 1 or 2 seconds<br>
+after the background<br>
+- in installation, the backgrounds aren&#39;t anti-aliased (font also looks abit<br>
+odd; allthough it could be the vbox)<br>
+- diskdrake still has a star icon(also wrong scaled) when saying &quot;use free<br>
+space&quot;<br>
+- do we need a license agreement? can we not skip this?<br>
+- ext4 by default<br>
+- no btrfs? (except in advanced setup)<br>
+- core media<br>
+This screen was never clear to me, and i never selected it, however, perhaps<br>
+for iso installation, a mirror repository should be automatically there and<br>
+selected by default? so that if there&#39;s updates, they can already be used<br>
+during installation... ? WDYT?<br>
+- i selected HTTP and it installed a few packages so i could enable networking<br>
+(2min)<br>
+- the partition step kept being highlighted, even when i was configuring<br>
+network...<br>
+- <a href="http://distrib-" target="_blank">http://distrib-</a><br>
+<a href="http://coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64" target="_blank">coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64</a> didn&#39;t seem to<br>
+work when configuring additional media<br>
+- KDE choice (very funny artwork :-D )<br>
+- installing (5min)<br>
+- when configuring, wizard said my password was trivial to guess, even though i<br>
+had letter and digits in it with total length 8<br>
+- updating after install<br>
+- when updating, the messages had tiny fonts suddenly.<br>
+- rebooting system<br>
+- booting looked fine, nice gfxboot screen (this did not have the 1 a 2 second<br>
+delay)<br>
+- i do notice F1 F2 F3 but no visible text next to it...?<br>
+- because of me having vbox3, the guest machine just crashed when X was<br>
+appearing.<br>
+- restarting (using safe mode this time), that worked fine into single user<br>
+mode<br>
+- init 3 (gave some warnings but looked ok generally)<br>
+- messages about gpg-agent being started...<br>
+- &quot;su -&quot; has the same message<br>
+- non-free was enabled by default<br>
+- i enabled tainted<br>
+- perhaps the iso media should be removed after installation and when updated<br>
+media are installed? it keeps requesting for the DVD...<br>
+- vim didn&#39;t show a color scheme for /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg .<br>
+- trying to update with urpmi --auto-select showed me that i had an orphaned<br>
+package ? kernel-desktop-devel ? odd...<br>
+- i noticed sshd wasn&#39;t installed by default, neither was bash-completion<br>
+- trying init 5 didn&#39;t work<br>
+- i removed x11-driver-video-vboxvideo<br>
+- init 5 said that display manager didn&#39;t work<br>
+- vbox3 didn&#39;t seem to have a way to use a different emulated driver...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t really want to upgrade to vbox4, in fear of destroying my other<br>
+virtual machines, so compatibility would be very nice...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+logs vbox3 guest: (vbox3 is still in 2010.2, so perhaps we should have vbox3<br>
+compatibility?)<br>
+----------------------<br>
+00:37:49.040 Guest Additions information report: additionsVersion = 0x00010004<br>
+osType = 0x00053100<br>
+00:37:49.040 Guest Additions capability report: (0x0) seamless: no,<br>
+hostWindowMapping: no, graphics: no<br>
+00:37:49.040 Guest reported fixed hypervisor window at 0x0000000001000000 (size<br>
+= 0xc00000, rc = VINF_SUCCESS)<br>
+00:37:49.051 Guest Log: vboxguest: major 0, IRQ 20, I/O port d020, MMIO at<br>
+00000000f0400000 (size 0x400000)<br>
+00:37:50.139 Audio: set_record_source ars=0 als=0 (not implemented)<br>
+00:37:50.139 Audio: set_record_source ars=0 als=0 (not implemented)<br>
+00:37:50.142 Audio: set_record_source ars=0 als=0 (not implemented)<br>
+00:37:54.461 SharedFolders host service: connected, u32ClientID = 3<br>
+00:37:56.042 NAT: IPv6 not supported<br>
+00:37:57.282 Guest Additions capability report: (0x4) seamless: no,<br>
+hostWindowMapping: no, graphics: yes<br>
+00:37:57.283 Display::handleDisplayResize(): uScreenId = 0,<br>
+pvVRAM=00007f7959303000 w=1440 h=1050 bpp=32 cbLine=0x1F400<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+in the errata is written that you should use virtualbox version 4.x and with that version everything works fine.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Maarten Vanraes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">These are my own very conchise first impressions:<br>
+<br>
+overall, i&#39;m very impressed with what i see. i thought it&#39;d be worse.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+- no rescue (as expected, even though the option is listed)<br>
+- when looking at the grub/gfxboot menu?, the text only shows 1 or 2 seconds<br>
+after the background<br>
+- in installation, the backgrounds aren&#39;t anti-aliased (font also looks abit<br>
+odd; allthough it could be the vbox)<br>
+- diskdrake still has a star icon(also wrong scaled) when saying &quot;use free<br>
+space&quot;<br>
+- do we need a license agreement? can we not skip this?<br>
+- ext4 by default<br>
+- no btrfs? (except in advanced setup)<br>
+- core media<br>
+This screen was never clear to me, and i never selected it, however, perhaps<br>
+for iso installation, a mirror repository should be automatically there and<br>
+selected by default? so that if there&#39;s updates, they can already be used<br>
+during installation... ? WDYT?<br>
+- i selected HTTP and it installed a few packages so i could enable networking<br>
+(2min)<br>
+- the partition step kept being highlighted, even when i was configuring<br>
+network...<br>
+- <a href="http://distrib-" target="_blank">http://distrib-</a><br>
+<a href="http://coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64" target="_blank">coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64</a> didn&#39;t seem to<br>
+work when configuring additional media<br>
+- KDE choice (very funny artwork :-D )<br>
+- installing (5min)<br>
+- when configuring, wizard said my password was trivial to guess, even though i<br>
+had letter and digits in it with total length 8<br>
+- updating after install<br>
+- when updating, the messages had tiny fonts suddenly.<br>
+- rebooting system<br>
+- booting looked fine, nice gfxboot screen (this did not have the 1 a 2 second<br>
+delay)<br>
+- i do notice F1 F2 F3 but no visible text next to it...?<br>
+- because of me having vbox3, the guest machine just crashed when X was<br>
+appearing.<br>
+- restarting (using safe mode this time), that worked fine into single user<br>
+mode<br>
+- init 3 (gave some warnings but looked ok generally)<br>
+- messages about gpg-agent being started...<br>
+- &quot;su -&quot; has the same message<br>
+- non-free was enabled by default<br>
+- i enabled tainted<br>
+- perhaps the iso media should be removed after installation and when updated<br>
+media are installed? it keeps requesting for the DVD...<br>
+- vim didn&#39;t show a color scheme for /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg .<br>
+- trying to update with urpmi --auto-select showed me that i had an orphaned<br>
+package ? kernel-desktop-devel ? odd...<br>
+- i noticed sshd wasn&#39;t installed by default, neither was bash-completion<br>
+- trying init 5 didn&#39;t work<br>
+- i removed x11-driver-video-vboxvideo<br>
+- init 5 said that display manager didn&#39;t work<br>
+- vbox3 didn&#39;t seem to have a way to use a different emulated driver...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+I don&#39;t really want to upgrade to vbox4, in fear of destroying my other<br>
+virtual machines, so compatibility would be very nice...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+logs vbox3 guest: (vbox3 is still in 2010.2, so perhaps we should have vbox3<br>
+compatibility?)<br>
+----------------------<br>
+00:37:49.040 Guest Additions information report: additionsVersion = 0x00010004<br>
+osType = 0x00053100<br>
+00:37:49.040 Guest Additions capability report: (0x0) seamless: no,<br>
+hostWindowMapping: no, graphics: no<br>
+00:37:49.040 Guest reported fixed hypervisor window at 0x0000000001000000 (size<br>
+= 0xc00000, rc = VINF_SUCCESS)<br>
+00:37:49.051 Guest Log: vboxguest: major 0, IRQ 20, I/O port d020, MMIO at<br>
+00000000f0400000 (size 0x400000)<br>
+00:37:50.139 Audio: set_record_source ars=0 als=0 (not implemented)<br>
+00:37:50.139 Audio: set_record_source ars=0 als=0 (not implemented)<br>
+00:37:50.142 Audio: set_record_source ars=0 als=0 (not implemented)<br>
+00:37:54.461 SharedFolders host service: connected, u32ClientID = 3<br>
+00:37:56.042 NAT: IPv6 not supported<br>
+00:37:57.282 Guest Additions capability report: (0x4) seamless: no,<br>
+hostWindowMapping: no, graphics: yes<br>
+00:37:57.283 Display::handleDisplayResize(): uScreenId = 0,<br>
+pvVRAM=00007f7959303000 w=1440 h=1050 bpp=32 cbLine=0x1F400<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div>ok...stupid question but: with what username and password should i be connecting to the ftp address you provided wobo?</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>i wanna download it to.. :(</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>Bogo</div>
+<div>Romanian Translation Team<br></div>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On 15 February 2011 07:56, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Downloaded 64-bit DVD ISO from<br><a href="ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/</a> : check.<br>
+
+compared md5sum: check<br>burned with k3b : check<br>(will keep this for nostalgic reasons, for same reasons I still have<br>an original 5.3 Mandrake Linux cd)<br><br>Hardware: laptop Samsung R530, Intel i3, 4G RAM, 320GB harddisk,<br>
+
+nVidia GT218 GeForce 310M<br><br>Normal remarks are listed as they come, negative remarks (not working<br>or other) are listed with a double star<br><br> - beautiful boot splash.<br> - very fast system boot to the first installation screen<br>
+
+ - set language/keyboard to German<br><br>** license text is in English, a German version was available, maybe<br>it was copyrighted to Mandriva?<br><br> - installer recognized the existing Mandriva 2010.2 and asked if I<br>
+
+want to upgrade (which I don&#39;t, I want my Mageia fresh!)<br> - partitioning was as expected easy as a pie with diskdrake<br><br> - selected custom desktop environment<br> - selected KDE in the group selection<br> - selected individual package selection<br>
+
+ - - KDE 4.6.0 is available, office suite is missing, some other apps<br>... this was expected, so no cardiac arrest here.<br> - - surprising: java plugin for Firefox is included!<br><br>Altogether I selected 1325 packages for installation. Installation of<br>
+
+the packages took  11 minutes until the password settings came up.<br><br>Summary of settings:<br> - bootloader setting recognized w7 and Mandriva 2010.2<br>**  soundcard setting is listed twice in the summary<br>**  no proprietary driver on the DVD - this was expected, no cardiac<br>
+
+arrest here.<br><br>**** BIG PROBLEM: no driver for the Wifi chip (system recognizes the<br>AR9285 Atheros), so no wireless internet connection unless you use a<br>cable for eth connection. Same problem as with the Free Edition of<br>
+
+Mandriva: you can&#39;t use it if you have no cable connection to your<br>router.<br><br>After finishing the installation the system does a clean<br>shutdown/reboot (ejecting the DVD automatically)<br><br>Reboot<br><br>Again, system bootup is very fast (not checked with a stopwatch, only<br>
+
+a feeling of speed!)<br><br>System uses a default KDE splash, the desktop comes up very fast. AND I LOVE IT!<br>The desktop background is totally black, no picture, no color (don&#39;t<br>be pedantic about black being a color or not).<br>
+
+<br>Small things:<br>** - the menue does not display all installed apps<br> - - (example: whole KDE games package is installed but only one game<br>is showing)<br><br>** no sound in Amarok and Kscd<br>- - videos are playing in Dragon Player but no sound<br>
+
+- - system sounds not playing<br><br>That&#39;s all I could test without internet connection.<br><br>Conclusion:<br>As for a &quot;not-for-use&quot; Alpha it is a very good one!<br><br>Thx to all devels and all the other never-to-be-mentioned people who<br>
+
+helped giving Mageia such a good start!<br><br>Good job, folks!<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>ok...stupid question but: with what username and password should i be connecting to the ftp address you provided wobo?</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>i wanna download it to.. :(</div>
+<div> </div>
+<div>Bogo</div>
+<div>Romanian Translation Team<br></div>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On 15 February 2011 07:56, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">Downloaded 64-bit DVD ISO from<br><a href="ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.mandrivauser.de/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/</a> : check.<br>
+
+compared md5sum: check<br>burned with k3b : check<br>(will keep this for nostalgic reasons, for same reasons I still have<br>an original 5.3 Mandrake Linux cd)<br><br>Hardware: laptop Samsung R530, Intel i3, 4G RAM, 320GB harddisk,<br>
+
+nVidia GT218 GeForce 310M<br><br>Normal remarks are listed as they come, negative remarks (not working<br>or other) are listed with a double star<br><br> - beautiful boot splash.<br> - very fast system boot to the first installation screen<br>
+
+ - set language/keyboard to German<br><br>** license text is in English, a German version was available, maybe<br>it was copyrighted to Mandriva?<br><br> - installer recognized the existing Mandriva 2010.2 and asked if I<br>
+
+want to upgrade (which I don&#39;t, I want my Mageia fresh!)<br> - partitioning was as expected easy as a pie with diskdrake<br><br> - selected custom desktop environment<br> - selected KDE in the group selection<br> - selected individual package selection<br>
+
+ - - KDE 4.6.0 is available, office suite is missing, some other apps<br>... this was expected, so no cardiac arrest here.<br> - - surprising: java plugin for Firefox is included!<br><br>Altogether I selected 1325 packages for installation. Installation of<br>
+
+the packages took  11 minutes until the password settings came up.<br><br>Summary of settings:<br> - bootloader setting recognized w7 and Mandriva 2010.2<br>**  soundcard setting is listed twice in the summary<br>**  no proprietary driver on the DVD - this was expected, no cardiac<br>
+
+arrest here.<br><br>**** BIG PROBLEM: no driver for the Wifi chip (system recognizes the<br>AR9285 Atheros), so no wireless internet connection unless you use a<br>cable for eth connection. Same problem as with the Free Edition of<br>
+
+Mandriva: you can&#39;t use it if you have no cable connection to your<br>router.<br><br>After finishing the installation the system does a clean<br>shutdown/reboot (ejecting the DVD automatically)<br><br>Reboot<br><br>Again, system bootup is very fast (not checked with a stopwatch, only<br>
+
+a feeling of speed!)<br><br>System uses a default KDE splash, the desktop comes up very fast. AND I LOVE IT!<br>The desktop background is totally black, no picture, no color (don&#39;t<br>be pedantic about black being a color or not).<br>
+
+<br>Small things:<br>** - the menue does not display all installed apps<br> - - (example: whole KDE games package is installed but only one game<br>is showing)<br><br>** no sound in Amarok and Kscd<br>- - videos are playing in Dragon Player but no sound<br>
+
+- - system sounds not playing<br><br>That&#39;s all I could test without internet connection.<br><br>Conclusion:<br>As for a &quot;not-for-use&quot; Alpha it is a very good one!<br><br>Thx to all devels and all the other never-to-be-mentioned people who<br>
+
+helped giving Mageia such a good start!<br><br>Good job, folks!<br></blockquote></div><br>
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hy,<div><br></div><div>i like it, no problems so far...</div><div>i installed the lxde version on an intel atom 330</div><div>i don't know how much of the work was done by our own mageia team, but i'm sure it's allot and they have done a very good job</div><div>i'm more of a quality type of guy so steady work will do just fine for me</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!!!!</div></td></tr></table><br>
+
+      
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;">Hy,<div><br></div><div>i like it, no problems so far...</div><div>i installed the lxde version on an intel atom 330</div><div>i don't know how much of the work was done by our own mageia team, but i'm sure it's allot and they have done a very good job</div><div>i'm more of a quality type of guy so steady work will do just fine for me</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!!!!</div></td></tr></table><br>
+
+      
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/15 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/2/15 Bogdan CAZACU &lt;<a href="mailto:cazacu.bogdan@gmail.com">cazacu.bogdan@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; ok...stupid question but: with what username and password should i be<br>
+&gt; connecting to the ftp address you provided wobo?Anonymous download, no login needed. Just put the address in the URL</div>
+field of your browser. Or go to<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron" target="_blank">ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron</a> in your ftp<br>
+client.<br><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div>It&#39;s a problem with our ftp. When he&#39;s getting too many anonymous connections, he&#39;s asking for login and password instead of simply saying &quot;too many connections&quot;.</div>
+<div>Try the http link, it&#39;s working.</div><div><br></div><div>Oliver</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/15 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/2/15 Bogdan CAZACU &lt;<a href="mailto:cazacu.bogdan@gmail.com">cazacu.bogdan@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; ok...stupid question but: with what username and password should i be<br>
+&gt; connecting to the ftp address you provided wobo?Anonymous download, no login needed. Just put the address in the URL</div>
+field of your browser. Or go to<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron" target="_blank">ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron</a> in your ftp<br>
+client.<br><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div>It&#39;s a problem with our ftp. When he&#39;s getting too many anonymous connections, he&#39;s asking for login and password instead of simply saying &quot;too many connections&quot;.</div>
+<div>Try the http link, it&#39;s working.</div><div><br></div><div>Oliver</div></div>
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+<div>I&#39;ll download it after i get home :) i was downloading with 67kbps :))�I think i can wait a little bit longer :P</div>
+<div>�</div>
+<div>thanks for the update everyone :)</div>
+<div>�</div>
+<div>Bogo<br><br></div>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On 15 February 2011 14:16, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/15 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">2011/2/15 Bogdan CAZACU &lt;<a href="mailto:cazacu.bogdan@gmail.com" target="_blank">cazacu.bogdan@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br></div>
+<div>
+<div class="im">&gt; ok...stupid question but: with what username and password should i be<br></div>&gt; connecting to the ftp address you provided wobo?Anonymous download, no login needed. Just put the address in the URL</div>
+
+
+<div class="im">field of your browser. Or go to<br><a href="http://ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron" target="_blank">ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron</a> in your ftp<br>client.<br><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+</font></div></blockquote>
+<div>It&#39;s a problem with our ftp. When he&#39;s getting too many anonymous connections, he&#39;s asking for login and password instead of simply saying &quot;too many connections&quot;.</div>
+<div>Try the http link, it&#39;s working.</div>
+<div><br></div><font color="#888888">
+<div>Oliver</div></font></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>I&#39;ll download it after i get home :) i was downloading with 67kbps :))�I think i can wait a little bit longer :P</div>
+<div>�</div>
+<div>thanks for the update everyone :)</div>
+<div>�</div>
+<div>Bogo<br><br></div>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On 15 February 2011 14:16, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/15 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
+<div class="im">2011/2/15 Bogdan CAZACU &lt;<a href="mailto:cazacu.bogdan@gmail.com" target="_blank">cazacu.bogdan@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br></div>
+<div>
+<div class="im">&gt; ok...stupid question but: with what username and password should i be<br></div>&gt; connecting to the ftp address you provided wobo?Anonymous download, no login needed. Just put the address in the URL</div>
+
+
+<div class="im">field of your browser. Or go to<br><a href="http://ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron" target="_blank">ftp.mandrivauser.de/pub/mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron</a> in your ftp<br>client.<br><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+</font></div></blockquote>
+<div>It&#39;s a problem with our ftp. When he&#39;s getting too many anonymous connections, he&#39;s asking for login and password instead of simply saying &quot;too many connections&quot;.</div>
+<div>Try the http link, it&#39;s working.</div>
+<div><br></div><font color="#888888">
+<div>Oliver</div></font></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Re,<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/17 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le jeudi 17 février 2011 à 09:14 +0100, <a href="mailto:Lucas.Betschart@crypto.ch">Lucas.Betschart@crypto.ch</a> a<br>
+écrit :<br>
+
+( if someone could proofread it , it would be nice, and also complete it<br>
+for point 5, once we are sure of what is needed )<br>
+<font color="#888888"></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There was this page on the wiki</div><div> <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</a></div>
+<div>with some proofreading and additions</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, registering a mirror is currently at <a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org/">http://mirrors.mageia.org/</a></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
+</div><br></div>
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+Re,<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/17 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le jeudi 17 février 2011 à 09:14 +0100, <a href="mailto:Lucas.Betschart@crypto.ch">Lucas.Betschart@crypto.ch</a> a<br>
+écrit :<br>
+
+( if someone could proofread it , it would be nice, and also complete it<br>
+for point 5, once we are sure of what is needed )<br>
+<font color="#888888"></font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There was this page on the wiki</div><div> <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</a></div>
+<div>with some proofreading and additions</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, registering a mirror is currently at <a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org/">http://mirrors.mageia.org/</a></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
+</div><br></div>
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+gnome standard installation on vbox works just fine here.<div><br></div><div>i even played with some of the settings before athe 1st restart.�<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 February 2011 22:15, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Saturday, February 19, 2011 07:53:04 am Marek Pawinski wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Does alpha 1 x86_64 work on virtual box? Mine aborts just after logging<br>
+&gt; in after successful installing?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Marek<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, I installed it on Tuesday. Don&#39;t test the settings before rebooting.<br>
+Something isn&#39;t right (same on Mandriva cooker) with e x11-server.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+gnome standard installation on vbox works just fine here.<div><br></div><div>i even played with some of the settings before athe 1st restart.�<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 February 2011 22:15, Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On Saturday, February 19, 2011 07:53:04 am Marek Pawinski wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Does alpha 1 x86_64 work on virtual box? Mine aborts just after logging<br>
+&gt; in after successful installing?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Marek<br>
+<br>
+</div>Yes, I installed it on Tuesday. Don&#39;t test the settings before rebooting.<br>
+Something isn&#39;t right (same on Mandriva cooker) with e x11-server.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+First of all, thanks Oliver for �the link...apparently it&#39;s much more faster and stable then those on the blog...<div><br></div><div>Regarding the mirror, i do have more then A university near me...but i cant get in touch with the teachers in charge of these things...that&#39;s why i said i wanna buy a pc and turn it into a mirror :)</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s like they know about mageia but dont wanna help... :( (bummer) :(</div><div><br></div><div>Oh well...hope that once mageia becomes stable more and more people will turn to our side! (evil laugh) &gt;:)</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks again guys! :)</div><div><br></div><div><i>(ETA to finish download from <a href="ftp://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/">ftp://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/</a>�= 47min average download speed 412 Kbps - not much, but it&#39;s stable...) :D</i></div>
+
+<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 February 2011 00:35, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:44:34 +0200, Cazacu Bogdan wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Ok...this is starting to be annoying...<br>
+<br>
+This is the 3rd day I&#39;m trying to download mageia...all of the<br>
+mirrors are to far away from me (still, the closest it the one from<br>
+Prague)... apparently they all have the same problem...they&#39;re shuting<br>
+my connection down (at the beginning I&#39;m downloading with 500-600<br>
+Kpbs, but in time my connection gets down to 5-6 Kpbs!!!!!!!!!!!). I&#39;m<br>
+downloading again now, and, in close to 45 minutes, I&#39;ve downloaded<br>
+close to 29 Mb so far...<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I think there is 2 factors :<br>
+<br>
+- we didn&#39;t planned to have so much people interested by yet another linux distribution,<br>
+especially when there is nothing special ( and no finished design ). I guess we didn&#39;t say<br>
+loudly enough &quot;this is not interesting, this is just to start the work&quot; :). I think we will<br>
+do better next time in term of planning, a area were we should definitly improve.<br>
+<br>
+- it was not planned to have a mandriva mirror breakage the same day,<br>
+forcing lots of mandriva mirrors to download again 0.5 To of data from d-c<br>
+<br>
+See the graph for bandwidth : <a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/munin/distrib-coffee/distrib-coffee/ifqospkt_bond0.html" target="_blank">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/munin/distrib-coffee/distrib-coffee/ifqospkt_bond0.html</a><br>
+
+
+1:1211 is the rsync traffic, and as you can see, there is a peak since 14/02, and this reduced the<br>
+bandwith for 1:1212, the http/ftp traffic ( I have to read the qos script written by Nanar to<br>
+have this information, do not search much on the graphic )<br>
+<br>
+Hopefully, this will be better once everybody will have synced the missing part.<br>
+<br>
+-- <br><font color="#888888">
+Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+First of all, thanks Oliver for �the link...apparently it&#39;s much more faster and stable then those on the blog...<div><br></div><div>Regarding the mirror, i do have more then A university near me...but i cant get in touch with the teachers in charge of these things...that&#39;s why i said i wanna buy a pc and turn it into a mirror :)</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>It&#39;s like they know about mageia but dont wanna help... :( (bummer) :(</div><div><br></div><div>Oh well...hope that once mageia becomes stable more and more people will turn to our side! (evil laugh) &gt;:)</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Thanks again guys! :)</div><div><br></div><div><i>(ETA to finish download from <a href="ftp://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/">ftp://ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/Mageia/iso/cauldron/</a>�= 47min average download speed 412 Kbps - not much, but it&#39;s stable...) :D</i></div>
+
+<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 February 2011 00:35, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:44:34 +0200, Cazacu Bogdan wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Ok...this is starting to be annoying...<br>
+<br>
+This is the 3rd day I&#39;m trying to download mageia...all of the<br>
+mirrors are to far away from me (still, the closest it the one from<br>
+Prague)... apparently they all have the same problem...they&#39;re shuting<br>
+my connection down (at the beginning I&#39;m downloading with 500-600<br>
+Kpbs, but in time my connection gets down to 5-6 Kpbs!!!!!!!!!!!). I&#39;m<br>
+downloading again now, and, in close to 45 minutes, I&#39;ve downloaded<br>
+close to 29 Mb so far...<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I think there is 2 factors :<br>
+<br>
+- we didn&#39;t planned to have so much people interested by yet another linux distribution,<br>
+especially when there is nothing special ( and no finished design ). I guess we didn&#39;t say<br>
+loudly enough &quot;this is not interesting, this is just to start the work&quot; :). I think we will<br>
+do better next time in term of planning, a area were we should definitly improve.<br>
+<br>
+- it was not planned to have a mandriva mirror breakage the same day,<br>
+forcing lots of mandriva mirrors to download again 0.5 To of data from d-c<br>
+<br>
+See the graph for bandwidth : <a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/munin/distrib-coffee/distrib-coffee/ifqospkt_bond0.html" target="_blank">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/munin/distrib-coffee/distrib-coffee/ifqospkt_bond0.html</a><br>
+
+
+1:1211 is the rsync traffic, and as you can see, there is a peak since 14/02, and this reduced the<br>
+bandwith for 1:1212, the http/ftp traffic ( I have to read the qos script written by Nanar to<br>
+have this information, do not search much on the graphic )<br>
+<br>
+Hopefully, this will be better once everybody will have synced the missing part.<br>
+<br>
+-- <br><font color="#888888">
+Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Le 20 f�vr. 2011 14:59, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a �crit�:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As i dont have any dvd r disk here, i wanted to install the iso in a usb stick (to boot with)<br>
+&gt; I use this command:<br>
+&gt; dd if=mageia-dvd-1-x86_64.iso of=/dev/sdc1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; After reboot it does nt boot in the usb, i putted the USB storage in 1st priority in bios boot menu without succes<br>
+&gt; I thought if is a problem of the folder in usb. I mean the files of the iso are nt in the first level of the root (in usb) but in a second folder:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [dglent@localhost media]$ cd 1-x86_64/x86_64/<br>
+&gt; [dglent@localhost x86_64]$ ls<br>
+&gt; install/ �isolinux/ �media/ �misc/ �pkg-1-cantine.idx �<a href="http://product.id">product.id</a> �VERSION<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; the files require to be in the first level of the folder ?<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>no you have to keep it in second level as this washington checked in isolinux to allow dual arch iso to work <br>
+this will beynes changer when we update to version 4.* of syslinux<br></p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+</p>
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+Le 20 f�vr. 2011 14:59, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a �crit�:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As i dont have any dvd r disk here, i wanted to install the iso in a usb stick (to boot with)<br>
+&gt; I use this command:<br>
+&gt; dd if=mageia-dvd-1-x86_64.iso of=/dev/sdc1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; After reboot it does nt boot in the usb, i putted the USB storage in 1st priority in bios boot menu without succes<br>
+&gt; I thought if is a problem of the folder in usb. I mean the files of the iso are nt in the first level of the root (in usb) but in a second folder:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [dglent@localhost media]$ cd 1-x86_64/x86_64/<br>
+&gt; [dglent@localhost x86_64]$ ls<br>
+&gt; install/ �isolinux/ �media/ �misc/ �pkg-1-cantine.idx �<a href="http://product.id">product.id</a> �VERSION<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; the files require to be in the first level of the folder ?<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>no you have to keep it in second level as this washington checked in isolinux to allow dual arch iso to work <br>
+this will beynes changer when we update to version 4.* of syslinux<br></p>
+<p>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mardi 22 février 2011 18:35:36 Wolfgang Bornath, vous avez écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2011/2/22 André Machado &lt;afmachado@dcemail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I'm bringing to you a Mageia Alpha 1 review posted on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://www.tvieira.net/linux/uma-olhada-rapida-no-mageia-alpha-1/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; (english version:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&amp;prev=_t&amp;hl=pt-BR&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;layo</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; ut=2&amp;eotf=1&amp;sl=pt&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvieira.net%2Flinux%2Fuma-olha</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; da-rapida-no-mageia-alpha-1%2F )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Basically, blogger states that &quot;As you can see the images above, the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; mageia does not have its own identity, because what struck me is a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Mandriva kernel with a newer and different repositories (as their own</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; repositories mageia uses), I know it's still a lot of Alpha things will</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; change, but I was disappointed with the mageia so far. [...] I sincerely</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; hope that will change the very mageia, because if you walk the way that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; this will have no reason to use the mageia instead of Mandriva ...&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes, we DID tell everybody that it is a not-for-use and not-for-review</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; alpha version. But as people are, we could not avoid such &quot;reviews&quot;.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The very first comment already said all there is to say (translation by</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Google): &quot;The staff of mageia made it clear that the objective of this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; first alpha was to leave things running: Install, boot, repositories are</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; set up and working.&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &quot;After that everything is round, they will begin to implement their</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ideas. And, thankfully, as they themselves said, the MCC will remain</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; intact!&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hello,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As for Openoffice/LibreOffice someone who &quot;don't know&quot; what a recent fork is maybe ? </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think the next step to clearly mark the difference will be a &quot;totaly different look&quot;. It is not the most important but for sure the more visible ;-)</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mardi 22 février 2011 18:35:36 Wolfgang Bornath, vous avez écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2011/2/22 André Machado &lt;afmachado@dcemail.com&gt;:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I'm bringing to you a Mageia Alpha 1 review posted on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://www.tvieira.net/linux/uma-olhada-rapida-no-mageia-alpha-1/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; (english version:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&amp;prev=_t&amp;hl=pt-BR&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;layo</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; ut=2&amp;eotf=1&amp;sl=pt&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvieira.net%2Flinux%2Fuma-olha</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; da-rapida-no-mageia-alpha-1%2F )</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Basically, blogger states that &quot;As you can see the images above, the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; mageia does not have its own identity, because what struck me is a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Mandriva kernel with a newer and different repositories (as their own</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; repositories mageia uses), I know it's still a lot of Alpha things will</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; change, but I was disappointed with the mageia so far. [...] I sincerely</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; hope that will change the very mageia, because if you walk the way that</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; this will have no reason to use the mageia instead of Mandriva ...&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes, we DID tell everybody that it is a not-for-use and not-for-review</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; alpha version. But as people are, we could not avoid such &quot;reviews&quot;.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The very first comment already said all there is to say (translation by</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Google): &quot;The staff of mageia made it clear that the objective of this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; first alpha was to leave things running: Install, boot, repositories are</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; set up and working.&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &quot;After that everything is round, they will begin to implement their</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ideas. And, thankfully, as they themselves said, the MCC will remain</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; intact!&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hello,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As for Openoffice/LibreOffice someone who &quot;don't know&quot; what a recent fork is maybe ? </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think the next step to clearly mark the difference will be a &quot;totaly different look&quot;. It is not the most important but for sure the more visible ;-)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">C'est parce que la vitesse de la lumière est supérieure à celle du son, que certains ont l'air brillant avant d'avoir l'air con.</p></body></html>
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+<div>I think that discussion is unecessary. I&#39;ll explain my humble opinion:</div><div><br></div><div>1. We&#39;re not obliged to call our distribuition of GNU/Linux. Today the Distribuitions use many tools that not developed by GNU project, so call the Mageia of &quot;Mageia GNU/Linux&quot; is forget all others great tools.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>2. I think that we free for called our distro with reference in kernel used, Linux in this case. I understand that Mageia Linux is valid because we intend to make clear to interested that our distribution uses the Linux kernel.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>3. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s belittle the GNU Project and/or others tools included in Mageia.</div><div><br></div><div>4. But I reconize that work of GNU Project was and is essencially and necessary for all Linux distribuition.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>5. I take this moment to congratulate the GNU Project for all work realized.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton &quot;J�nior Almeida&quot;.</div><div>i18n pt_BR Team</div>
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+<div>I think that discussion is unecessary. I&#39;ll explain my humble opinion:</div><div><br></div><div>1. We&#39;re not obliged to call our distribuition of GNU/Linux. Today the Distribuitions use many tools that not developed by GNU project, so call the Mageia of &quot;Mageia GNU/Linux&quot; is forget all others great tools.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>2. I think that we free for called our distro with reference in kernel used, Linux in this case. I understand that Mageia Linux is valid because we intend to make clear to interested that our distribution uses the Linux kernel.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>3. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s belittle the GNU Project and/or others tools included in Mageia.</div><div><br></div><div>4. But I reconize that work of GNU Project was and is essencially and necessary for all Linux distribuition.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>5. I take this moment to congratulate the GNU Project for all work realized.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton &quot;J�nior Almeida&quot;.</div><div>i18n pt_BR Team</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/6 Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Typing in a console dolphin /home/harms&quot; I obtain the display of an empty directory.<br>
+<br>
+The display remains empty if I hit the bold &quot;Home&quot; label in the location bar (to switch the contents of the location bar to /home/harms).<br>
+<br>
+Displaying the directory /home works OK, themn selecting the icon &quot;harms&quot; in that display will produce the correct display of the directory /home/harms. Having the incorrect void display of /home/harms and toggling the &quot;Show hidden files&quot; checkbutton also makes the correct contents of the directory be displayed.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+Very weird - can this be reproduced elsewhere?<br></blockquote><div><br>Seems 4.6.1 related, encouters that too on fedora since the recent kde 4.6.1 update .<br></div></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/6 Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Typing in a console dolphin /home/harms&quot; I obtain the display of an empty directory.<br>
+<br>
+The display remains empty if I hit the bold &quot;Home&quot; label in the location bar (to switch the contents of the location bar to /home/harms).<br>
+<br>
+Displaying the directory /home works OK, themn selecting the icon &quot;harms&quot; in that display will produce the correct display of the directory /home/harms. Having the incorrect void display of /home/harms and toggling the &quot;Show hidden files&quot; checkbutton also makes the correct contents of the directory be displayed.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+Very weird - can this be reproduced elsewhere?<br></blockquote><div><br>Seems 4.6.1 related, encouters that too on fedora since the recent kde 4.6.1 update .<br></div></div><br>
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+2011/3/6 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:balcaen.john@gmail.com" target="_blank">balcaen.john@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Le Sunday 06 March 2011 18:40:54, Juergen Harms a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div>&gt; Typing in a console dolphin /home/harms&quot; I obtain the display of an<br>
+&gt; empty directory.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The display remains empty if I hit the bold &quot;Home&quot; label in the location<br>
+&gt; bar (to switch the contents of the location bar to /home/harms).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Displaying the directory /home works OK, themn selecting the icon<br>
+&gt; &quot;harms&quot; in that display will produce the correct display of the<br>
+&gt; directory /home/harms. Having the incorrect void display of /home/harms<br>
+&gt; and toggling the &quot;Show hidden files&quot; checkbutton also makes the correct<br>
+&gt; contents of the directory be displayed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Very weird - can this be reproduced elsewhere?<br>
+</div></div>I can&#39;t reproduce here.<br>
+Just in case, what&#39;s the value of the Location when you&#39;re editing the « Home<br>
+» in the Places panel ?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Balcaen John<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>No, before this I wasn&#39;t sure I wasn&#39;t alone with this issue, but it seems indeed 4.6.1 related :<br><br><a href="http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&amp;p=391726" target="_blank">http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&amp;p=391726</a><br>
+
+<br>at least mint and gentoo are affected too.<br>
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+2011/3/6 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:balcaen.john@gmail.com" target="_blank">balcaen.john@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Le Sunday 06 March 2011 18:40:54, Juergen Harms a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div>&gt; Typing in a console dolphin /home/harms&quot; I obtain the display of an<br>
+&gt; empty directory.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The display remains empty if I hit the bold &quot;Home&quot; label in the location<br>
+&gt; bar (to switch the contents of the location bar to /home/harms).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Displaying the directory /home works OK, themn selecting the icon<br>
+&gt; &quot;harms&quot; in that display will produce the correct display of the<br>
+&gt; directory /home/harms. Having the incorrect void display of /home/harms<br>
+&gt; and toggling the &quot;Show hidden files&quot; checkbutton also makes the correct<br>
+&gt; contents of the directory be displayed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Very weird - can this be reproduced elsewhere?<br>
+</div></div>I can&#39;t reproduce here.<br>
+Just in case, what&#39;s the value of the Location when you&#39;re editing the « Home<br>
+» in the Places panel ?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Balcaen John<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>No, before this I wasn&#39;t sure I wasn&#39;t alone with this issue, but it seems indeed 4.6.1 related :<br><br><a href="http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&amp;p=391726" target="_blank">http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&amp;p=391726</a><br>
+
+<br>at least mint and gentoo are affected too.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/7 rom1dep <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rom1dep@gmail.com">rom1dep@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+2011/3/6 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:balcaen.john@gmail.com" target="_blank">balcaen.john@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+Le Sunday 06 March 2011 18:40:54, Juergen Harms a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div>&gt; Typing in a console dolphin /home/harms&quot; I obtain the display of an<br>
+&gt; empty directory.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The display remains empty if I hit the bold &quot;Home&quot; label in the location<br>
+&gt; bar (to switch the contents of the location bar to /home/harms).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Displaying the directory /home works OK, themn selecting the icon<br>
+&gt; &quot;harms&quot; in that display will produce the correct display of the<br>
+&gt; directory /home/harms. Having the incorrect void display of /home/harms<br>
+&gt; and toggling the &quot;Show hidden files&quot; checkbutton also makes the correct<br>
+&gt; contents of the directory be displayed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Very weird - can this be reproduced elsewhere?<br>
+</div></div>I can&#39;t reproduce here.<br>
+Just in case, what&#39;s the value of the Location when you&#39;re editing the « Home<br>
+» in the Places panel ?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Balcaen John<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div></div>No, before this I wasn&#39;t sure I wasn&#39;t alone with this issue, but it seems indeed 4.6.1 related :<br><br><a href="http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&amp;p=391726" target="_blank">http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&amp;p=391726</a><br>
+
+
+<br>at least mint and gentoo are affected too.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267709">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267709</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/7 rom1dep <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rom1dep@gmail.com">rom1dep@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+2011/3/6 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:balcaen.john@gmail.com" target="_blank">balcaen.john@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+Le Sunday 06 March 2011 18:40:54, Juergen Harms a écrit :<br>
+<div><div></div><div>&gt; Typing in a console dolphin /home/harms&quot; I obtain the display of an<br>
+&gt; empty directory.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The display remains empty if I hit the bold &quot;Home&quot; label in the location<br>
+&gt; bar (to switch the contents of the location bar to /home/harms).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Displaying the directory /home works OK, themn selecting the icon<br>
+&gt; &quot;harms&quot; in that display will produce the correct display of the<br>
+&gt; directory /home/harms. Having the incorrect void display of /home/harms<br>
+&gt; and toggling the &quot;Show hidden files&quot; checkbutton also makes the correct<br>
+&gt; contents of the directory be displayed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Very weird - can this be reproduced elsewhere?<br>
+</div></div>I can&#39;t reproduce here.<br>
+Just in case, what&#39;s the value of the Location when you&#39;re editing the « Home<br>
+» in the Places panel ?<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Balcaen John<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div></div>No, before this I wasn&#39;t sure I wasn&#39;t alone with this issue, but it seems indeed 4.6.1 related :<br><br><a href="http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&amp;p=391726" target="_blank">http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=109&amp;p=391726</a><br>
+
+
+<br>at least mint and gentoo are affected too.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267709">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=267709</a><br>
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+Hi,<br>Definitly, you can count me in. I&#39;ll be there the<br><br>Envoyé depuis mon HTC<br><br>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+Hi,<br>Definitly, you can count me in. I&#39;ll be there the<br><br>Envoyé depuis mon HTC<br><br>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table width="650" align="center" style="font-size: 14px;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+    <tr id="topshadow">
+        <td height="10" width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_tl.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_top.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+        <td height="10" width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_tr.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr id="header">
+        <td width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_left.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" rowspan="2"></td>
+        <td height="102" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/header_bg.gif" bgcolor="#e6f1fb" align="center">
+            <table width="95%"><tr><td align="left"><img src="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/email_logo.gif" /></td></tr></table>
+        </td>
+        <td width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_right.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" rowspan="2"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr id="content">
+        <td bgcolor="#f4faff" align="center">
+            <table width="95%" cellpadding="30">
+                <tr>
+                    <td align="left">
+                        <font face="Lucida Grande, Segoe UI, Arial, Verdana, Lucida Sans Unicode, Tahoma, Sans Serif">
+Toni Korpela wants you to use Dropbox to sync and share files online and across computers.<br/><br/>
+<a href="http://www.dropbox.com/link/20.XrAFHLlK2J/Njc0NjE1Mzk4Nw?src=referrals_bulk9">Get started here.</a><br/><br/>
+- The Dropbox Team<br/>
+                        </font>
+                    </td>
+                </tr>
+            </table>
+        </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr id="bottomshadow">
+        <td height="10" width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_bl.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_bottom.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+        <td height="10" width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_br.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr id="copyright">
+        <td></td>
+        <td>
+            <table style="width: 100%;">
+                <tr>
+                    <td style="font-size: 11px; color: #909090; padding-left: 45px;">
+                        To stop receiving invites from Dropbox, click <a href="http://www.dropbox.com/bl/bb7f87506f4c/mageia-discuss%40mageia.org">here</a>
+                    </td>
+                    <td style="text-align: right; width: 120px;">
+                        <img src="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/gray_logo.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle"/>
+                        <span style="font-size: 12px; color: #888;">&copy;&nbsp;2011&nbsp;Dropbox</span>
+                    </td>
+                </tr>
+            </table>
+        </td>
+        <td></td>
+    </tr>
+</table>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<table width="650" align="center" style="font-size: 14px;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+    <tr id="topshadow">
+        <td height="10" width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_tl.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_top.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+        <td height="10" width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_tr.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr id="header">
+        <td width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_left.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" rowspan="2"></td>
+        <td height="102" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/header_bg.gif" bgcolor="#e6f1fb" align="center">
+            <table width="95%"><tr><td align="left"><img src="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/email_logo.gif" /></td></tr></table>
+        </td>
+        <td width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_right.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff" rowspan="2"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr id="content">
+        <td bgcolor="#f4faff" align="center">
+            <table width="95%" cellpadding="30">
+                <tr>
+                    <td align="left">
+                        <font face="Lucida Grande, Segoe UI, Arial, Verdana, Lucida Sans Unicode, Tahoma, Sans Serif">
+Toni Korpela wants you to use Dropbox to sync and share files online and across computers.<br/><br/>
+<a href="http://www.dropbox.com/link/20.XrAFHLlK2J/Njc0NjE1Mzk4Nw?src=referrals_bulk9">Get started here.</a><br/><br/>
+- The Dropbox Team<br/>
+                        </font>
+                    </td>
+                </tr>
+            </table>
+        </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr id="bottomshadow">
+        <td height="10" width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_bl.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_bottom.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+        <td height="10" width="10" background="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/shadow_br.gif" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr id="copyright">
+        <td></td>
+        <td>
+            <table style="width: 100%;">
+                <tr>
+                    <td style="font-size: 11px; color: #909090; padding-left: 45px;">
+                        To stop receiving invites from Dropbox, click <a href="http://www.dropbox.com/bl/bb7f87506f4c/mageia-discuss%40mageia.org">here</a>
+                    </td>
+                    <td style="text-align: right; width: 120px;">
+                        <img src="https://www.dropbox.com/static/images/emails/gray_logo.gif" alt="" align="absmiddle"/>
+                        <span style="font-size: 12px; color: #888;">&copy;&nbsp;2011&nbsp;Dropbox</span>
+                    </td>
+                </tr>
+            </table>
+        </td>
+        <td></td>
+    </tr>
+</table>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/9 Dropbox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:no-reply@dropboxmail.com">no-reply@dropboxmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<table style="font-size: 14px;" width="650" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+    <tbody><tr>
+        <td height="10" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+        <td height="10" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr>
+        <td rowspan="2" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="102" align="center" bgcolor="#e6f1fb">
+            <table width="95%"><tbody><tr><td align="left"><img src=""></td></tr></tbody></table>
+        </td>
+        <td rowspan="2" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr>
+        <td align="center" bgcolor="#f4faff">
+            <table width="95%" cellpadding="30">
+                <tbody><tr>
+                    <td align="left">
+                        <font face="Lucida Grande, Segoe UI, Arial, Verdana, Lucida Sans Unicode, Tahoma, Sans Serif">
+Toni Korpela wants you to use Dropbox to sync and share files online and across computers.<br><br>
+<a href="http://www.dropbox.com/link/20.XrAFHLlK2J/Njc0NjE1Mzk4Nw?src=referrals_bulk9" target="_blank">Get started here.</a><br><br>
+- The Dropbox Team<br>
+                        </font>
+                    </td>
+                </tr>
+            </tbody></table>
+        </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr>
+        <td height="10" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+        <td height="10" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr>
+        <td></td>
+        <td>
+            <table style="width: 100%;">
+                <tbody><tr>
+                    <td style="font-size: 11px; color: rgb(144, 144, 144); padding-left: 45px;">
+                        To stop receiving invites from Dropbox, click <a href="http://www.dropbox.com/bl/bb7f87506f4c/mageia-discuss%40mageia.org" target="_blank">here</a>
+                    </td>
+                    <td style="text-align: right; width: 120px;">
+                        <img src="" alt="" align="absmiddle">
+                        <span style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">© 2011 Dropbox</span>
+                    </td>
+                </tr>
+            </tbody></table>
+        </td>
+        <td></td>
+    </tr>
+</tbody></table></blockquote></div><br>Hmm, what do I do with this?<br><br>-- <br>wobo<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/9 Dropbox <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:no-reply@dropboxmail.com">no-reply@dropboxmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<table style="font-size: 14px;" width="650" align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+    <tbody><tr>
+        <td height="10" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+        <td height="10" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr>
+        <td rowspan="2" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="102" align="center" bgcolor="#e6f1fb">
+            <table width="95%"><tbody><tr><td align="left"><img src=""></td></tr></tbody></table>
+        </td>
+        <td rowspan="2" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr>
+        <td align="center" bgcolor="#f4faff">
+            <table width="95%" cellpadding="30">
+                <tbody><tr>
+                    <td align="left">
+                        <font face="Lucida Grande, Segoe UI, Arial, Verdana, Lucida Sans Unicode, Tahoma, Sans Serif">
+Toni Korpela wants you to use Dropbox to sync and share files online and across computers.<br><br>
+<a href="http://www.dropbox.com/link/20.XrAFHLlK2J/Njc0NjE1Mzk4Nw?src=referrals_bulk9" target="_blank">Get started here.</a><br><br>
+- The Dropbox Team<br>
+                        </font>
+                    </td>
+                </tr>
+            </tbody></table>
+        </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr>
+        <td height="10" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"></td>
+        <td height="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+        <td height="10" width="10" bgcolor="#ffffff"> </td>
+    </tr>
+    
+    <tr>
+        <td></td>
+        <td>
+            <table style="width: 100%;">
+                <tbody><tr>
+                    <td style="font-size: 11px; color: rgb(144, 144, 144); padding-left: 45px;">
+                        To stop receiving invites from Dropbox, click <a href="http://www.dropbox.com/bl/bb7f87506f4c/mageia-discuss%40mageia.org" target="_blank">here</a>
+                    </td>
+                    <td style="text-align: right; width: 120px;">
+                        <img src="" alt="" align="absmiddle">
+                        <span style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">© 2011 Dropbox</span>
+                    </td>
+                </tr>
+            </tbody></table>
+        </td>
+        <td></td>
+    </tr>
+</tbody></table></blockquote></div><br>Hmm, what do I do with this?<br><br>-- <br>wobo<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/28 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The auto-completion feature does nt work, and is enabled<br>
+Has anyone the same problem ?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Finaly is this bug<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264757">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264757</a><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/2/28 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+The auto-completion feature does nt work, and is enabled<br>
+Has anyone the same problem ?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Finaly is this bug<br><a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264757">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=264757</a><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>Hi Folks,</div><div><br></div><div>I created the torrent file of the Mageia ISO.�</div><div>I&#39;m sharing this.</div></div><div>Comming soon I send the x86_64 file.</div><div><br></div>
+<font color="#888888"><div>Adjamilton J�nior</div>
+</font></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>Hi Folks,</div><div><br></div><div>I created the torrent file of the Mageia ISO.�</div><div>I&#39;m sharing this.</div></div><div>Comming soon I send the x86_64 file.</div><div><br></div>
+<font color="#888888"><div>Adjamilton J�nior</div>
+</font></div><br>
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+Please, a question:�<div><br></div><div>&quot;Alpha2 is available through two DVDs in 32 and 64 bit flavors&quot;- are two DVDs for each architecture (two DVDs for 32bits and two DVDs for 64bits) or two DVDs, one DVD for 32bit and one DVD for 64bit?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thank&#39;s.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/15 Morgan Leijstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Den 2011-03-15 13:18:51 skrev Manuel Hiebel:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Le mardi 15 mars 2011 � 13:15 +0100, Morgan Leijstr�m a �crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; Nice :)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Is there an official torrent?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I noticed alpha 1 was tracked by several trackers, and i helped seeding<br>
+&gt; &gt; ten GB, and would like to help now too.<br>
+&gt; &gt; (Not much bandwidth, but something.)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;Torrents are not yet available, but support should be complete for the<br>
+&gt; beta release cycle. Help is welcome on that specific topic.&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/03/15/mageia-1-alpha-2-primavera-is-coming/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/03/15/mageia-1-alpha-2-primavera-is-coming/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>For Alpha 1 some one or more uploaded a torrent to several trackers.<br>
+If/when someone do that for alpha 2 it would be very nice if they announce it<br>
+here and maybe more places people can find.<br>
+<br>
+Then I will help seeding alpha 2 too.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+Please, a question:�<div><br></div><div>&quot;Alpha2 is available through two DVDs in 32 and 64 bit flavors&quot;- are two DVDs for each architecture (two DVDs for 32bits and two DVDs for 64bits) or two DVDs, one DVD for 32bit and one DVD for 64bit?</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thank&#39;s.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/15 Morgan Leijstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Den 2011-03-15 13:18:51 skrev Manuel Hiebel:<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">&gt; Le mardi 15 mars 2011 � 13:15 +0100, Morgan Leijstr�m a �crit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; Nice :)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Is there an official torrent?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I noticed alpha 1 was tracked by several trackers, and i helped seeding<br>
+&gt; &gt; ten GB, and would like to help now too.<br>
+&gt; &gt; (Not much bandwidth, but something.)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &quot;Torrents are not yet available, but support should be complete for the<br>
+&gt; beta release cycle. Help is welcome on that specific topic.&quot;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/03/15/mageia-1-alpha-2-primavera-is-coming/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/03/15/mageia-1-alpha-2-primavera-is-coming/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>For Alpha 1 some one or more uploaded a torrent to several trackers.<br>
+If/when someone do that for alpha 2 it would be very nice if they announce it<br>
+here and maybe more places people can find.<br>
+<br>
+Then I will help seeding alpha 2 too.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
+</div>
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+<div><div>Hi Folks,</div><div><br></div><div>I created the torrent file of the Mageia ISO.�</div><div>I&#39;m sharing this.</div></div><div>Comming soon I send the x86_64 file.</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton J�nior</div>
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+<div><div>Hi Folks,</div><div><br></div><div>I created the torrent file of the Mageia ISO.�</div><div>I&#39;m sharing this.</div></div><div>Comming soon I send the x86_64 file.</div><div><br></div><div>Adjamilton J�nior</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>&quot;Alpha2 is available through two DVDs in 32 and 64 bit flavors&quot;- are two DVDs for each architecture (two DVDs for 32bits and two DVDs for 64bits) or two DVDs, one DVD for 32bit and one DVD for 64bit?</div>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Filipe,</div><div><br></div><div>We&#39;ve two flavors:</div><div><br></div><div>mageia-dvd-1-i586.iso</div><div>mageia-dvd-1-x86_64.iso</div><div><br>J�nior</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div>&quot;Alpha2 is available through two DVDs in 32 and 64 bit flavors&quot;- are two DVDs for each architecture (two DVDs for 32bits and two DVDs for 64bits) or two DVDs, one DVD for 32bit and one DVD for 64bit?</div>
+</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Filipe,</div><div><br></div><div>We&#39;ve two flavors:</div><div><br></div><div>mageia-dvd-1-i586.iso</div><div>mageia-dvd-1-x86_64.iso</div><div><br>J�nior</div></div>
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+Thank&#39;s Adjamilton.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 15 de mar�o de 2011 09:42, Adjamilton J�nior <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ajunior@brasifort.com.br">ajunior@brasifort.com.br</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>&quot;Alpha2 is available through two DVDs in 32 and 64 bit flavors&quot;- are two DVDs for each architecture (two DVDs for 32bits and two DVDs for 64bits) or two DVDs, one DVD for 32bit and one DVD for 64bit?</div>
+
+</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Filipe,</div><div><br></div><div>We&#39;ve two flavors:</div><div><br></div><div>mageia-dvd-1-i586.iso</div><div>mageia-dvd-1-x86_64.iso</div><div><br><font color="#888888">J�nior</font></div>
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+Thank&#39;s Adjamilton.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Em 15 de mar�o de 2011 09:42, Adjamilton J�nior <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ajunior@brasifort.com.br">ajunior@brasifort.com.br</a>&gt;</span> escreveu:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>&quot;Alpha2 is available through two DVDs in 32 and 64 bit flavors&quot;- are two DVDs for each architecture (two DVDs for 32bits and two DVDs for 64bits) or two DVDs, one DVD for 32bit and one DVD for 64bit?</div>
+
+</blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Filipe,</div><div><br></div><div>We&#39;ve two flavors:</div><div><br></div><div>mageia-dvd-1-i586.iso</div><div>mageia-dvd-1-x86_64.iso</div><div><br><font color="#888888">J�nior</font></div>
+</div>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br>**************************************<br>Meu blog: <a href="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>Associa��o Piauiense de Software Livre<br>Projeto Software Livre - Piau� - PSL-PI<br><br>�Voc� deve ser a mudan�a que deseja ver no mundo.� - Gandhi<br><br>
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+<br><span class="hps atn" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">(</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">1</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">)</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Webteam</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">-</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">please</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">put</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">the</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">torrent files</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">on the website</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">of</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Alpha</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">;</span><br>
+<span class="hps atn" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">(</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">2</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">)</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">All Users</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">-</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Please</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">help us</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">in</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">distributing the</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">torrent</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">All</span><br>
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+<br><span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">A. J�nior</span></span>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; "><span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Hello everybody</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">,</span><br>
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+<br><span class="hps atn" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">(</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">1</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">)</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Webteam</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">-</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">please</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">put</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">the</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">torrent files</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">on the website</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">of</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Alpha</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">;</span><br>
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+<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">help is</span>�<span class="hps" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">welcome</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+I am downloading/seeding both DVD Torrents at this time with
+transmission:<br>
+<br>
+2 of 3 i586<br>
+3 of 4 x86-64<br>
+<br>
+satellit<br>
+Bend Oregon<br>
+12:30 PM PDT<br>
+<br>
+Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+<blockquote cite="mid:201103220642.40021.laidlaws@hotkey.net.au"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">Linux Tracker had the dual.  I got a torrent from there for the DVD and gave 
+it my ISO file.  It added some data to the ISO, despite an earlier MD5 check.  
+I hope that the original being seeded is O.K.  All md5 etc and .txt files are 
+included with the torrent, but it was definitely the ISO that was incomplete.
+
+Doug.
+
+On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:00:02 pm <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a> wrote:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">Message: 2
+Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:40:21 +0100
+From: Morgan Leijstr?m <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">&lt;fri@tribun.eu&gt;</a>
+To: Mageia general discussions <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</a>
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Alpha 2 torrents
+Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:201103210940.21366.fri@tribun.eu">&lt;201103210940.21366.fri@tribun.eu&gt;</a>
+Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
+
+A torrent for the dual version got uploaded some days ago to thepiratebay
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6245305/mageia-dual-1-Alpha2.iso">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6245305/mageia-dual-1-Alpha2.iso</a>
+and torrent search sites also find it some other place.
+(I have helped seeding, but it seem not as much used as the Alpha1 was.)
+
+As I could not find any for DVD torrents I now created such and put them
+here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6259472/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-i586.iso">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6259472/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-i586.iso</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6259473/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-x86_64.iso">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6259473/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-x86_64.iso</a>
+
+My seeding capacity is limited so help is welcome.
+
+If you already have a downloaed iso and want to help:
+1) Let your bittorrent client start downloading.
+2) shut it down
+3) copy your complete iso over the iso from bittorrent
+4) restart your client and have it check the file integrity
+ (example: in vuze right click it, etc)
+ (it shall find it 100% and switch to seeding)
+
+I am not very experienced creating torrents, but i read some instructions 
+about multi tracker torrents and added some popular in theese in ways that 
+should be compatible for several clients.
+However I have not uploaded the actual file to more than thepiratebay.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+  <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  <title></title>
+</head>
+<body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+I am downloading/seeding both DVD Torrents at this time with
+transmission:<br>
+<br>
+2 of 3 i586<br>
+3 of 4 x86-64<br>
+<br>
+satellit<br>
+Bend Oregon<br>
+12:30 PM PDT<br>
+<br>
+Doug Laidlaw wrote:
+<blockquote cite="mid:201103220642.40021.laidlaws@hotkey.net.au"
+ type="cite">
+  <pre wrap="">Linux Tracker had the dual.  I got a torrent from there for the DVD and gave 
+it my ISO file.  It added some data to the ISO, despite an earlier MD5 check.  
+I hope that the original being seeded is O.K.  All md5 etc and .txt files are 
+included with the torrent, but it was definitely the ISO that was incomplete.
+
+Doug.
+
+On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:00:02 pm <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a> wrote:
+  </pre>
+  <blockquote type="cite">
+    <pre wrap="">Message: 2
+Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:40:21 +0100
+From: Morgan Leijstr?m <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">&lt;fri@tribun.eu&gt;</a>
+To: Mageia general discussions <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org">&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</a>
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Alpha 2 torrents
+Message-ID: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:201103210940.21366.fri@tribun.eu">&lt;201103210940.21366.fri@tribun.eu&gt;</a>
+Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="us-ascii"
+
+A torrent for the dual version got uploaded some days ago to thepiratebay
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6245305/mageia-dual-1-Alpha2.iso">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6245305/mageia-dual-1-Alpha2.iso</a>
+and torrent search sites also find it some other place.
+(I have helped seeding, but it seem not as much used as the Alpha1 was.)
+
+As I could not find any for DVD torrents I now created such and put them
+here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6259472/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-i586.iso">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6259472/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-i586.iso</a>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6259473/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-x86_64.iso">http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6259473/mageia-dvd-1-Alpha2-x86_64.iso</a>
+
+My seeding capacity is limited so help is welcome.
+
+If you already have a downloaed iso and want to help:
+1) Let your bittorrent client start downloading.
+2) shut it down
+3) copy your complete iso over the iso from bittorrent
+4) restart your client and have it check the file integrity
+ (example: in vuze right click it, etc)
+ (it shall find it 100% and switch to seeding)
+
+I am not very experienced creating torrents, but i read some instructions 
+about multi tracker torrents and added some popular in theese in ways that 
+should be compatible for several clients.
+However I have not uploaded the actual file to more than thepiratebay.
+    </pre>
+  </blockquote>
+  <pre wrap=""><!---->
+  </pre>
+</blockquote>
+</body>
+</html>
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+KDE<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/24 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<br>
+KDE<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>____________<br>ARS KC6KGE 3.975 146.550<br>Steven L Hess<br>661 765 6456<br>Skype user name flamebait <br>Google Voice works well. 100% Linux. <br><br>
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+KDE<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/24 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<br>
+<br>
+KDE<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>____________<br>ARS KC6KGE 3.975 146.550<br>Steven L Hess<br>661 765 6456<br>Skype user name flamebait <br>Google Voice works well. 100% Linux. <br><br>
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+Hi<div><br></div><div>please simply provide the desktop you want.</div>
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+Hi<div><br></div><div>please simply provide the desktop you want.</div>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Pascal Terjan &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:30 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] Poll: Which Desktop Environment will you be using on Mageia?<br></font><br> 
+On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 15:48, Tux99 &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org" href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Quote: Thomas Lottmann wrote on Thu, 24 March 2011 16:29<br>&gt;&gt; Le 24/03/2011 16:14, Tux99 a �crit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I would say that if we reach 50-100 votes in the next few days then<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; the<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; results can be considered meaningful.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; No. Just no.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Considering Mageia is a GNU/Linux distribution that has various<br>&gt;&gt; communities with a wide variety of users with different needs,1 50-00<br>&gt;&gt; is<br>&gt;&gt; absolutely not representative.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; It's a poll among Mageia users, and currently I would expect that a good<br>&gt; part of people seriously interested in Mageia are at least occasionally<br>&gt; reading this list (subscribed or through gmane or through the web
+ forum<br>&gt; gateway).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Do you have any idea how small the samples are when they do<br>&gt; "representative" surveys for TV or newspapers?<br>&gt; Usually it's only 1000-2000 people to represent a whole country of 60<br>&gt; milion people...<br><br>Yes but not random people.<br>Knowing what DE is preferred by people reading this list and with<br>enough motivation to register to your forum does not mean anything.<br>Maybe XFCE users don't like forums or don't like polls.<br>Maybe users of one of the DE feel that they have to defend it and the<br>10 users of that DE will all vote while users of more common DE don't<br>care about it being successful and only 8 out of 100 will vote.<br><br>On the contrary, I would think it means everything. The people who read the ML and register in the forums should have a louder voice than those that do not participate in the linux community. Those of us participating are the ones that make linux what it
+ is. If not, then why have the mailing lists and forums and chatrooms and newsletters?<br><br><br></div></div></div><br>
+
+
+
+
+
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span><br></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Pascal Terjan &lt;pterjan@gmail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:30 PM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] Poll: Which Desktop Environment will you be using on Mageia?<br></font><br> 
+On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 15:48, Tux99 &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org" href="mailto:tux99-mga@uridium.org">tux99-mga@uridium.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Quote: Thomas Lottmann wrote on Thu, 24 March 2011 16:29<br>&gt;&gt; Le 24/03/2011 16:14, Tux99 a �crit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I would say that if we reach 50-100 votes in the next few days then<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; the<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; results can be considered meaningful.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; No. Just no.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Considering Mageia is a GNU/Linux distribution that has various<br>&gt;&gt; communities with a wide variety of users with different needs,1 50-00<br>&gt;&gt; is<br>&gt;&gt; absolutely not representative.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; It's a poll among Mageia users, and currently I would expect that a good<br>&gt; part of people seriously interested in Mageia are at least occasionally<br>&gt; reading this list (subscribed or through gmane or through the web
+ forum<br>&gt; gateway).<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Do you have any idea how small the samples are when they do<br>&gt; "representative" surveys for TV or newspapers?<br>&gt; Usually it's only 1000-2000 people to represent a whole country of 60<br>&gt; milion people...<br><br>Yes but not random people.<br>Knowing what DE is preferred by people reading this list and with<br>enough motivation to register to your forum does not mean anything.<br>Maybe XFCE users don't like forums or don't like polls.<br>Maybe users of one of the DE feel that they have to defend it and the<br>10 users of that DE will all vote while users of more common DE don't<br>care about it being successful and only 8 out of 100 will vote.<br><br>On the contrary, I would think it means everything. The people who read the ML and register in the forums should have a louder voice than those that do not participate in the linux community. Those of us participating are the ones that make linux what it
+ is. If not, then why have the mailing lists and forums and chatrooms and newsletters?<br><br><br></div></div></div><br>
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+    GNOME Shell?<br>
+    <br>
+    On Friday, 25 March, 2011 12:39 PM, Steven Hess wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=kqtQRwEU+oR2JcKbcQV+oG-5rQu-=m0JTxsjF@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">KDE<br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/24 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          KDE<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      ____________<br>
+      ARS KC6KGE 3.975 146.550<br>
+      Steven L Hess<br>
+      661 765 6456<br>
+      Skype user name flamebait <br>
+      Google Voice works well. 100% Linux. <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    GNOME Shell?<br>
+    <br>
+    On Friday, 25 March, 2011 12:39 PM, Steven Hess wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:AANLkTi=kqtQRwEU+oR2JcKbcQV+oG-5rQu-=m0JTxsjF@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">KDE<br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2011/3/24 Thomas Spuhler <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thomas@btspuhler.com">thomas@btspuhler.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          KDE<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <br clear="all">
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      ____________<br>
+      ARS KC6KGE 3.975 146.550<br>
+      Steven L Hess<br>
+      661 765 6456<br>
+      Skype user name flamebait <br>
+      Google Voice works well. 100% Linux. <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Foreseeing the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">need for</span></span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">portuguese</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">support</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">
+for mageia in Brazil </span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">.</span></span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�<span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">We </span></span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">Launched</span></span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">today</span> the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">mageia</span></span><span class="hpsatn"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Brazil
+(</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;
+mso-ansi-language:EN-US">unofficial support</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">)</span></span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">at</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;
+mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><a href="http://mageia.forumeiros.com/">http://mageia.forumeiros.com/</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">This a temporary site to the mageia in
+Brazil. Later on, we are going to build up a professional hub to the mageia in
+Brazil. Thus, we have already registered the url
+<a href="http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br">http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br</a></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><br>
+<span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">This portal was
+intended to the expertises users to take part with <span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">with</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">tips</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">,</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">tutorials</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">, articles,</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">etc.</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">.</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">Their</span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">participation</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">will
+be critical</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">to the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">growth</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">of</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a
+national space</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps"> to
+the mageia in Brazil.We created the forum</span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">mageia</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"> Brazil because we believe that</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">need</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">for</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">support</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps"> in
+portuguese is very demanding and important. For the reasons there are a lot of
+good mageia users who don�t speak a word in english.</span><br>
+<br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">As</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">mentioned</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">on
+the official site</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">in</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">mageia</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.org at <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt/">http://www.mageia.org/pt/</a></span></span><br>
+
+<br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Quotation</span><span class="apple-style-span">:</span></span><br>
+<span class="hpsatn"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">&quot;</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">mageia</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">is</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">fork
+of</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">Mandriva</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">Linux</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">, supported</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">by</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">nonprofit
+organization</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">recognized</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">and</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">elected</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">employees</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">.</span></span><br>
+
+<br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">More</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">than
+simply</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">providing</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">free
+operating system,</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">secure,</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">stable</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"> and sustainable</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">, the goal</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">is</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">to</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">create</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">stable
+administration</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">and</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"> reliable</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">guide</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">to</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">collaborative
+projects.</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hpsatn">&quot;</span></span><br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">All</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">in</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">favor</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">of the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">gnu</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">linux</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">!</span></span><br>
+
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">cheers.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Otto S�. (mageia Brazil administrator).</span></span></p><br>
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+
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Foreseeing the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">need for</span></span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">portuguese</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">support</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">
+for mageia in Brazil </span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">.</span></span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�<span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">We </span></span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">Launched</span></span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">today</span> the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">mageia</span></span><span class="hpsatn"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Brazil
+(</span></span><span class="apple-style-span"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;
+mso-ansi-language:EN-US">unofficial support</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">)</span></span></span><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">�</span><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:
+EN-US">at</span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;
+mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><a href="http://mageia.forumeiros.com/">http://mageia.forumeiros.com/</a></span></span></span></span></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">This a temporary site to the mageia in
+Brazil. Later on, we are going to build up a professional hub to the mageia in
+Brazil. Thus, we have already registered the url
+<a href="http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br">http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br</a></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><br>
+<span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">This portal was
+intended to the expertises users to take part with <span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">with</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">tips</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">,</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">tutorials</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">, articles,</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">etc.</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">.</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">Their</span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">participation</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">will
+be critical</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">to the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">growth</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">of</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a
+national space</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps"> to
+the mageia in Brazil.We created the forum</span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">mageia</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"> Brazil because we believe that</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">need</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">for</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">support</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps"> in
+portuguese is very demanding and important. For the reasons there are a lot of
+good mageia users who don�t speak a word in english.</span><br>
+<br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">As</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">mentioned</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">on
+the official site</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">in</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">mageia</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.org at <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt/">http://www.mageia.org/pt/</a></span></span><br>
+
+<br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Quotation</span><span class="apple-style-span">:</span></span><br>
+<span class="hpsatn"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">&quot;</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">mageia</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">is</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">fork
+of</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">Mandriva</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">Linux</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">, supported</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">by</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">nonprofit
+organization</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">recognized</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">and</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">elected</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">employees</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">.</span></span><br>
+
+<br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">More</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">than
+simply</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">providing</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">free
+operating system,</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">secure,</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">stable</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"> and sustainable</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">, the goal</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">is</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">to</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">create</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">a</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">stable
+administration</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">and</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"> reliable</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">guide</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">to</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">collaborative
+projects.</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hpsatn">&quot;</span></span><br>
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">All</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">in</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">favor</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">of the</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">gnu</span></span><span class="apple-converted-space">�<span class="hps">linux</span></span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><span class="apple-style-span">!</span></span><br>
+
+<span class="hps"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">cheers.</span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="hps"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:Arial;
+color:black;mso-ansi-language:EN-US">Otto S�. (mageia Brazil administrator).</span></span></p><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <div class="moz-text-plain" wrap="true" style="font-family:
+        -moz-fixed; font-size: 12px;" lang="x-unicode">
+        <pre wrap="">Le lundi 11 avril 2011 17:51:21, Wolfgang Bornath a &eacute;crit :
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+          <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>2011/4/11 Samuel Verschelde <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">&lt;stormi@laposte.net&gt;</a>:
+</pre>
+          <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+            <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>Le lundi 11 avril 2011 10:04:37, Rama Space Ship a &eacute;crit :
+</pre>
+            <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+              <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+                <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>--- The name ---
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>The definitive project name still hasn't been chosen (we want a name
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>which is independant from Mageia, although Mageia is the primary
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>target). Many people in the team like "AppGalaxy", but this is a name
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>that lacks the
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>"collaborative" view, so I'm still hoping we will find even better.
+</pre>
+              </blockquote>
+              <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; </span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; </span>Do "AppHive" or "RpmHive" comply with the name specs?
+</pre>
+            </blockquote>
+            <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>I like the image. Googling it shows some results for AppHive
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://code.google.com/p/apphive/">https://code.google.com/p/apphive/</a>), but maybe AppsHive could fit ?
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>Moreover, this would allow to change the "madb" prefix we use in code
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>from "mageia-app-db" to "mad bee" <span class="moz-smiley-s1" title=":)"><span>:)</span></span>
+</pre>
+          </blockquote>
+          <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>I like "Mad Bee" as name for the whole project.
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap="">Already taken <span class="moz-smiley-s1" title=":)"><span>:)</span></span>
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://madb.codeplex.com/">http://madb.codeplex.com/</a>
+</pre>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    What do you think about MageHive and MageBee?<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <div class="moz-text-plain" wrap="true" style="font-family:
+        -moz-fixed; font-size: 12px;" lang="x-unicode">
+        <pre wrap="">Le lundi 11 avril 2011 17:51:21, Wolfgang Bornath a &eacute;crit :
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+          <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>2011/4/11 Samuel Verschelde <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">&lt;stormi@laposte.net&gt;</a>:
+</pre>
+          <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+            <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>Le lundi 11 avril 2011 10:04:37, Rama Space Ship a &eacute;crit :
+</pre>
+            <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+              <blockquote type="cite" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">
+                <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>--- The name ---
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>The definitive project name still hasn't been chosen (we want a name
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>which is independant from Mageia, although Mageia is the primary
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>target). Many people in the team like "AppGalaxy", but this is a name
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>that lacks the
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; </span>"collaborative" view, so I'm still hoping we will find even better.
+</pre>
+              </blockquote>
+              <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; </span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt;&gt; </span>Do "AppHive" or "RpmHive" comply with the name specs?
+</pre>
+            </blockquote>
+            <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>I like the image. Googling it shows some results for AppHive
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://code.google.com/p/apphive/">https://code.google.com/p/apphive/</a>), but maybe AppsHive could fit ?
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>Moreover, this would allow to change the "madb" prefix we use in code
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; &gt; </span>from "mageia-app-db" to "mad bee" <span class="moz-smiley-s1" title=":)"><span>:)</span></span>
+</pre>
+          </blockquote>
+          <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>I like "Mad Bee" as name for the whole project.
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap="">Already taken <span class="moz-smiley-s1" title=":)"><span>:)</span></span>
+
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://madb.codeplex.com/">http://madb.codeplex.com/</a>
+</pre>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    What do you think about MageHive and MageBee?<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div>simple mageia, I like best this name.It must be kept only mageia.<br></div><div>cheers.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/13 Rama Space Ship <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ramaspaceship@free.fr">ramaspaceship@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&gt; �What do you think about MageHive and MageBee?<br>
+</blockquote>
+It&#39;s too close to Mageia I think.<br>
+</blockquote>
+We can also choose a name that suggests a variety of things and tastes which can be shared.<br>
+AppTavern would then be a good candidate.<br>
+<br>
+Best regards.<br>
+<br>
+Bernard<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<div>simple mageia, I like best this name.It must be kept only mageia.<br></div><div>cheers.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/13 Rama Space Ship <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ramaspaceship@free.fr">ramaspaceship@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&gt; �What do you think about MageHive and MageBee?<br>
+</blockquote>
+It&#39;s too close to Mageia I think.<br>
+</blockquote>
+We can also choose a name that suggests a variety of things and tastes which can be shared.<br>
+AppTavern would then be a good candidate.<br>
+<br>
+Best regards.<br>
+<br>
+Bernard<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/13 Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On 04/13/2011 07:03 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I dont know, i think i read somewhere that kfind is dropped to keep the find toolbar in dolphin that works with nepomuk.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+If kfind goes away, life will become more difficult - back to command-line find? ploughing through all the options?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>i use the kio-locate in konqueror that gives a perfect search tool and also the kfind service menu from Ahmad<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/13 Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+On 04/13/2011 07:03 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+I dont know, i think i read somewhere that kfind is dropped to keep the find toolbar in dolphin that works with nepomuk.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+If kfind goes away, life will become more difficult - back to command-line find? ploughing through all the options?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>i use the kio-locate in konqueror that gives a perfect search tool and also the kfind service menu from Ahmad<br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+dear Romain,<br>Hi!<br>When I meaned professional because It will be in a private host with many options like wiki,blog, new&#39;s area, download servers located locally in Brazil and an elegant forum. Forumeiros is good one but has many adds there. Thus, I have already bought a new url at <a href="http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br">http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br</a> . This hub will be ready sooner. Please, appologizes me for employeees I meaned contribuitor, of course.<br>
+cheers.<br>Otto S�.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/14 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 04:34, Otto &lt;<a href="mailto:ottosa@gmail.com">ottosa@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Foreseeing the�need for�portuguese�support for mageia in Brazil .�We<br>
+&gt; Launched�today the�mageiaBrazil (unofficial support)�at<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.forumeiros.com/" target="_blank">http://mageia.forumeiros.com/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>Cool! You have a redirection from<br>
+<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewforum.php?f=20" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewforum.php?f=20</a> as well.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; This a temporary site to the mageia in Brazil. Later on, we are going to<br>
+&gt; build up a professional hub to the mageia in Brazil.<br>
+<br>
+</div>What do you mean by &quot;professional&quot; here?<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Thus, we have already registered the url <a href="http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br" target="_blank">http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br</a><br>
+&gt; This portal was intended to the expertises users to take part with<br>
+&gt;�with�tips,�tutorials, articles,�etc..�Their�participation�will be<br>
+&gt; critical�to the�growth�of�a national space� to the mageia in Brazil.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Excellent. Feel free to suggest later what we can build as<br>
+cross-languages resources or what could be ported to other locales.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; We created the forum�mageia Brazil because we believe that�the�need<br>
+&gt;�for�a�support� in portuguese is very demanding and important.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Indeed.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; As�mentioned�on the official site�in�<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> at <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/pt/</a><br>
+&gt; Quotation:<br>
+&gt; &quot;mageia�is�a�fork of�Mandriva�Linux, supported�by�a�nonprofit<br>
+&gt; organization�recognized�and�elected�employees.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Contributors, not employees. There is no employee at Mageia.Org. :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; More�than simply�providing�a�free operating system,�secure,�stable and<br>
+&gt; sustainable, the goal�is�to�create�a�stable administration�and<br>
+&gt; reliable�guide�to�collaborative projects.�&quot;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Note that you are very welcome to help (within i18n team among other<br>
+things) to maintain/translate the /pt/ branch of the project&#39;s<br>
+website.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Romain<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+dear Romain,<br>Hi!<br>When I meaned professional because It will be in a private host with many options like wiki,blog, new&#39;s area, download servers located locally in Brazil and an elegant forum. Forumeiros is good one but has many adds there. Thus, I have already bought a new url at <a href="http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br">http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br</a> . This hub will be ready sooner. Please, appologizes me for employeees I meaned contribuitor, of course.<br>
+cheers.<br>Otto S�.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/14 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi,<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 04:34, Otto &lt;<a href="mailto:ottosa@gmail.com">ottosa@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Foreseeing the�need for�portuguese�support for mageia in Brazil .�We<br>
+&gt; Launched�today the�mageiaBrazil (unofficial support)�at<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.forumeiros.com/" target="_blank">http://mageia.forumeiros.com/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>Cool! You have a redirection from<br>
+<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewforum.php?f=20" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewforum.php?f=20</a> as well.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; This a temporary site to the mageia in Brazil. Later on, we are going to<br>
+&gt; build up a professional hub to the mageia in Brazil.<br>
+<br>
+</div>What do you mean by &quot;professional&quot; here?<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Thus, we have already registered the url <a href="http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br" target="_blank">http://www.mageiadobrasil.com.br</a><br>
+&gt; This portal was intended to the expertises users to take part with<br>
+&gt;�with�tips,�tutorials, articles,�etc..�Their�participation�will be<br>
+&gt; critical�to the�growth�of�a national space� to the mageia in Brazil.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Excellent. Feel free to suggest later what we can build as<br>
+cross-languages resources or what could be ported to other locales.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; We created the forum�mageia Brazil because we believe that�the�need<br>
+&gt;�for�a�support� in portuguese is very demanding and important.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Indeed.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; As�mentioned�on the official site�in�<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia.org</a> at <a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/pt/</a><br>
+&gt; Quotation:<br>
+&gt; &quot;mageia�is�a�fork of�Mandriva�Linux, supported�by�a�nonprofit<br>
+&gt; organization�recognized�and�elected�employees.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Contributors, not employees. There is no employee at Mageia.Org. :)<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; More�than simply�providing�a�free operating system,�secure,�stable and<br>
+&gt; sustainable, the goal�is�to�create�a�stable administration�and<br>
+&gt; reliable�guide�to�collaborative projects.�&quot;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Note that you are very welcome to help (within i18n team among other<br>
+things) to maintain/translate the /pt/ branch of the project&#39;s<br>
+website.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Romain<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">easy urpmi
+for mageia (for non-free softwares)</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">hi, mageia
+buddies,</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">For anyone
+who is testing the mageia which It is a fork of the mandriva linux finds it
+difficult to install certain programs such as the non-free softwares for
+instance opera browser, sun java, adobe acrobat, etc ... But I tried a very
+easy solution that worked for me and I left the mageia &quot;chubby&quot;. Just
+install the media available in the Mandriva Intenational Backports (easy urpmi)
+at <a href="http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/">http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/</a></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">If you
+Follow this clue you would install everything you need concerning non-free
+applications. This solution was tested bymyself and this solved my problems up!
+For the time being mageia does not have its own esyurpmi, this has been very
+helpful. with a simple download of urpmi at <a href="http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/">http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">But my suggestion is to make a proper easy urpmi for mageia. Is that possible?</span></p>
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">For the
+time being, I expect this solution might help the mageia users. I would like
+hear from you, if you tested too.</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">cheers.</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">PS:
+Attention to download at <a href="http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/">http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/</a> and not at
+<a href="http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/">http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/</a> that did not work when I tested on mageia first.</span></p>
+
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+
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">easy urpmi
+for mageia (for non-free softwares)</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">hi, mageia
+buddies,</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">For anyone
+who is testing the mageia which It is a fork of the mandriva linux finds it
+difficult to install certain programs such as the non-free softwares for
+instance opera browser, sun java, adobe acrobat, etc ... But I tried a very
+easy solution that worked for me and I left the mageia &quot;chubby&quot;. Just
+install the media available in the Mandriva Intenational Backports (easy urpmi)
+at <a href="http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/">http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/</a></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">If you
+Follow this clue you would install everything you need concerning non-free
+applications. This solution was tested bymyself and this solved my problems up!
+For the time being mageia does not have its own esyurpmi, this has been very
+helpful. with a simple download of urpmi at <a href="http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/">http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">But my suggestion is to make a proper easy urpmi for mageia. Is that possible?</span></p>
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US"></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">For the
+time being, I expect this solution might help the mageia users. I would like
+hear from you, if you tested too.</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">cheers.</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal">�</p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="" lang="EN-US">PS:
+Attention to download at <a href="http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/">http://urpmi.mandriva.ru/</a> and not at
+<a href="http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/">http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/</a> that did not work when I tested on mageia first.</span></p>
+
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+<pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">Dear mageia buddies,</span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">Is It possible to include e17 on mageia 1 ? On madriva after adding to the PFL (backports) repository or downloading straigh at the easyurpmi It�s possible to install it. The user may write down the following code:</span></pre>
+<pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">�</span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">�</span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US"><b>urpmi task-e17</b></span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">�</span></pre>
+<pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">As shown E17 mandriva developmente there at <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Ideas/E17">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Ideas/E17</a></span></pre><pre>
+<span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">cheers.</span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">Otto Sa.</span></pre>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">�</span></p>
+
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+<pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">Dear mageia buddies,</span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">Is It possible to include e17 on mageia 1 ? On madriva after adding to the PFL (backports) repository or downloading straigh at the easyurpmi It�s possible to install it. The user may write down the following code:</span></pre>
+<pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">�</span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">�</span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US"><b>urpmi task-e17</b></span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">�</span></pre>
+<pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">As shown E17 mandriva developmente there at <a href="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Ideas/E17">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Ideas/E17</a></span></pre><pre>
+<span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">cheers.</span></pre><pre><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">Otto Sa.</span></pre>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">�</span></p>
+
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">As default</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; "> &quot;/&quot; and &quot;/home&quot; are mounted <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">automatically  with the option &quot;acl&quot; (very good), even this option isn&#39;t marked during installation. </span><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">When I mount my second hd (via mcc) this option is not set <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">automatically. </span></div><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">A bug or a feature?</span>
+<meta name="qrichtext" content="1"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style>
+</div>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">As default</span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; "> &quot;/&quot; and &quot;/home&quot; are mounted <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">automatically  with the option &quot;acl&quot; (very good), even this option isn&#39;t marked during installation. </span><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">When I mount my second hd (via mcc) this option is not set <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">automatically. </span></div><div>
+<span class="Apple-style-span" style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">A bug or a feature?</span>
+<meta name="qrichtext" content="1"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style>
+</div>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">As default</span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; "> &quot;/&quot; and &quot;/home&quot; are mounted automatically  with the option &quot;acl&quot; (very good), even this option isn&#39;t marked during installation. </span><div>
+<span style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">When I mount my second hd (via mcc) this option is not set automatically. </span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">A bug or a feature?</span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; "><br>
+</span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">Excuse my first post without a titel</span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; "><br></span></div>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">As default</span><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; "> &quot;/&quot; and &quot;/home&quot; are mounted automatically  with the option &quot;acl&quot; (very good), even this option isn&#39;t marked during installation. </span><div>
+<span style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">When I mount my second hd (via mcc) this option is not set automatically. </span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">A bug or a feature?</span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; "><br>
+</span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; ">Excuse my first post without a titel</span></div><div><span style="white-space: pre-wrap; "><br></span></div>
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+Two of the reasons I have stuck with Mandriva for many years were:<br><br>Sysadmin-tools:<br><br>I found the mandriva-control-center to� be really much easier than using command-line utilities for things like:<br><br>��� package-management<br>
+��� video card/monitor configuration<br>��� daemon-management<br><br>The mcc video configuration was especially nice when I&#39;d take a computer between locations and plug it into different monitors.<br><br>Video Drivers:<br>
+<br>During installation, the latest AMD/ATI or Nvidia proprietary drivers were installed (with powerpack), and I didn&#39;t have to download them from their respective vendors in another step.<br><br><br>So.......<br>To what extent is the mandriva-control-center (or duplicate funtionality) going to be included in mageia?<br>
+Will magia include AMD and Nvidia proprietary dirvers be included in the distribution?<br><br><br><br><br>
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+Two of the reasons I have stuck with Mandriva for many years were:<br><br>Sysadmin-tools:<br><br>I found the mandriva-control-center to� be really much easier than using command-line utilities for things like:<br><br>��� package-management<br>
+��� video card/monitor configuration<br>��� daemon-management<br><br>The mcc video configuration was especially nice when I&#39;d take a computer between locations and plug it into different monitors.<br><br>Video Drivers:<br>
+<br>During installation, the latest AMD/ATI or Nvidia proprietary drivers were installed (with powerpack), and I didn&#39;t have to download them from their respective vendors in another step.<br><br><br>So.......<br>To what extent is the mandriva-control-center (or duplicate funtionality) going to be included in mageia?<br>
+Will magia include AMD and Nvidia proprietary dirvers be included in the distribution?<br><br><br><br><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 28/04/2011 03:17, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:BANLkTikFbt5xVJ28n-G3RA8W9OaJsr7Ufw@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <pre wrap="">(A bug report would be more useful, so that that issue doesn't become
+forgotten in this mailing list).
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Thank's a lot,<br>
+    <br>
+    I open a bug on the bugzilla this afternoon :-)<br>
+    I hope for a solution !<br>
+    <br>
+    Pierre<br>
+    <br>
+    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
+      <img src="cid:part1.06030600.06090201@magic.fr" border="0"></div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 28/04/2011 03:17, Ahmad Samir a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:BANLkTikFbt5xVJ28n-G3RA8W9OaJsr7Ufw@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <pre wrap="">(A bug report would be more useful, so that that issue doesn't become
+forgotten in this mailing list).
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Thank's a lot,<br>
+    <br>
+    I open a bug on the bugzilla this afternoon :-)<br>
+    I hope for a solution !<br>
+    <br>
+    Pierre<br>
+    <br>
+    <div class="moz-signature">-- <br>
+      <img src="cid:part1.06030600.06090201@magic.fr" border="0"></div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+great news cause live cds are very important to a great distro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/29 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Anne nicolas skrev 28.4.2011 23:13:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/04/28/mageia-1-beta2-live-cds/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/04/28/mageia-1-beta2-live-cds/</a><br>
+Finally they are available. Thanks to our testers for their help<br>
+<br>
+We are waiting for your tests and your feedbacks<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+And torrents are now up for the livecds too (sorry for the delay):<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/torrents/mageia-livecd-1-beta2-GNOME-int-cdrom-i586.torrent" target="_blank">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/torrents/mageia-livecd-1-beta2-GNOME-int-cdrom-i586.torrent</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/torrents/mageia-livecd-1-beta2-KDE4-int-cdrom-i586.torrent" target="_blank">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/torrents/mageia-livecd-1-beta2-KDE4-int-cdrom-i586.torrent</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<br>
+Romain, can you update the download page<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+great news cause live cds are very important to a great distro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/29 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Anne nicolas skrev 28.4.2011 23:13:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/04/28/mageia-1-beta2-live-cds/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/04/28/mageia-1-beta2-live-cds/</a><br>
+Finally they are available. Thanks to our testers for their help<br>
+<br>
+We are waiting for your tests and your feedbacks<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+And torrents are now up for the livecds too (sorry for the delay):<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/torrents/mageia-livecd-1-beta2-GNOME-int-cdrom-i586.torrent" target="_blank">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/torrents/mageia-livecd-1-beta2-GNOME-int-cdrom-i586.torrent</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<a href="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/torrents/mageia-livecd-1-beta2-KDE4-int-cdrom-i586.torrent" target="_blank">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/cauldron/torrents/mageia-livecd-1-beta2-KDE4-int-cdrom-i586.torrent</a><br>
+
+<br>
+<br>
+Romain, can you update the download page<br>
+<br>
+--<br><font color="#888888">
+Thomas<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Wolfgang Bornath &lt;molch.b@googlemail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 29, 2011 9:22 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Live CDs available for tests<br></font><br>
+2011/4/29 You-Cheng Hsieh &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com" href="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com">yochenhsieh@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; It's always a good thing to have different ways to use/install a<br>&gt; distribution, and people can choose the way which suits their needs.<br><br>That's certainly true, for some people and under some circumstances<br>LiveCDs are important, for others they are just nice to have, for yet<br>another group they are not necessary at all.<br><br>So let's do a little "I'm happy about the Beta2 Live CDs" dance! :)<br><br>-- <br>Any plans for x64 live cd's?<br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span></span></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font size="2" face="Arial"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Wolfgang Bornath &lt;molch.b@googlemail.com&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 29, 2011 9:22 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Live CDs available for tests<br></font><br>
+2011/4/29 You-Cheng Hsieh &lt;<a ymailto="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com" href="mailto:yochenhsieh@gmail.com">yochenhsieh@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; It's always a good thing to have different ways to use/install a<br>&gt; distribution, and people can choose the way which suits their needs.<br><br>That's certainly true, for some people and under some circumstances<br>LiveCDs are important, for others they are just nice to have, for yet<br>another group they are not necessary at all.<br><br>So let's do a little "I'm happy about the Beta2 Live CDs" dance! :)<br><br>-- <br>Any plans for x64 live cd's?<br><br><br></div></div></div></body></html>
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+<div>dear mageia buddies,</div>�I intend to make a guide for mageia newcomers in portuguese to help who are starting with a rpm distro . Thus, I will publish it later on. I have tested a lot of commands with mageia. Thus, I have already startet writing some pages of it.If someone else wants to assist my guide, that user might post message to me to share some contribuitions to the guite. Perhaps I will translate it to the english language when it will be ready.<div>
+cheers.</div><div>Otto S�. (From mageia Brazil at <a href="http://www.mageiabr.org">http://www.mageiabr.org</a> )</div>
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+<div>dear mageia buddies,</div>�I intend to make a guide for mageia newcomers in portuguese to help who are starting with a rpm distro . Thus, I will publish it later on. I have tested a lot of commands with mageia. Thus, I have already startet writing some pages of it.If someone else wants to assist my guide, that user might post message to me to share some contribuitions to the guite. Perhaps I will translate it to the english language when it will be ready.<div>
+cheers.</div><div>Otto S�. (From mageia Brazil at <a href="http://www.mageiabr.org">http://www.mageiabr.org</a> )</div>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><br></div><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">-------------------<br><br>Salut,<br><br>Comme vous le savez, Solutions Linux va bient�t commencer � Paris (les 10, 11 et 12 mai). Pour la plus grande joie des visiteurs, Mageia aura un stand afin de r�pandre la bonne parole linuxienne et faire savoir � tous combien notre distribution est g�niale.<br><br>Apr�s une longue journ�e � parler, marcher et troller �changer sur les logiciels libres, open source et l'informatique, il est agr�able de continuer autour d'un d�ner et de quelques boissons (comme de la bi�re ou du soda). Afin de pr�parer cette occasion de
+ relations sociales, nous devons r�server un restaurant. Et pour r�server, nous devons savoir combien de personnes viennent. La date retenue est le mardi (le 10 mai) dans la soir�e.<br>Pouvez-vous vous enregistrer sur cette page wiki en indiquant combien de personnes vous accompagnent ? ( <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday</a> )<br><br>Nous essayons de trouver un endroit sympathique, pas trop cher et accueillant les groupes, le tout � Paris. Si vous avez un bon plan � recommander, vous pouvez me contacter ici ou sur IRC.<br><br>Jehane<br>D�sign�e volontaire<br><br>-- Marianne Lombard (Jehane)<br>Mageia User - Mageia french translation team<br>Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry
+ Pratchett<br><br><br><br></div></div></blockquote>Salut,</div><div><br></div><div>Vers quelle heure vour pr�voyez le festin?</div><div><br></div><div>Bien cordialement,</div><div>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><br></div><div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">-------------------<br><br>Salut,<br><br>Comme vous le savez, Solutions Linux va bient�t commencer � Paris (les 10, 11 et 12 mai). Pour la plus grande joie des visiteurs, Mageia aura un stand afin de r�pandre la bonne parole linuxienne et faire savoir � tous combien notre distribution est g�niale.<br><br>Apr�s une longue journ�e � parler, marcher et troller �changer sur les logiciels libres, open source et l'informatique, il est agr�able de continuer autour d'un d�ner et de quelques boissons (comme de la bi�re ou du soda). Afin de pr�parer cette occasion de
+ relations sociales, nous devons r�server un restaurant. Et pour r�server, nous devons savoir combien de personnes viennent. La date retenue est le mardi (le 10 mai) dans la soir�e.<br>Pouvez-vous vous enregistrer sur cette page wiki en indiquant combien de personnes vous accompagnent ? ( <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday</a> )<br><br>Nous essayons de trouver un endroit sympathique, pas trop cher et accueillant les groupes, le tout � Paris. Si vous avez un bon plan � recommander, vous pouvez me contacter ici ou sur IRC.<br><br>Jehane<br>D�sign�e volontaire<br><br>-- Marianne Lombard (Jehane)<br>Mageia User - Mageia french translation team<br>Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry
+ Pratchett<br><br><br><br></div></div></blockquote>Salut,</div><div><br></div><div>Vers quelle heure vour pr�voyez le festin?</div><div><br></div><div>Bien cordialement,</div><div>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br></div></div></body></html>
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+Dear Romain,<div>OK. I have already started it.Thus, when It will be ready, I
+ would like to publish it. Could I post <br></div>�it at the mageia wiki? Should I send it as attached file to you?Please, let me know.<br>Cheers.<br>
+<div>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/2 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rda@mageia.org" target="_blank">rda@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hey Otto,<br>
+<div><br>
+On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 19:34, Otto &lt;<a href="mailto:ottosa@gmail.com" target="_blank">ottosa@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; �I intend to make a guide for mageia newcomers in portuguese to help who are<br>
+</div>&gt; starting with a rpm distro . Thus, I will publish it later on.[...]<br>
+<div>&gt; Perhaps I will translate it to the english language when it will be ready.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Excellent! Focus on your original version and we will have many<br>
+translators available to port it afterwise.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks!<br>
+<br>
+Romain<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Romain d&#39;Alverny<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/</a> board &amp; council member<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Dear Romain,<div>OK. I have already started it.Thus, when It will be ready, I
+ would like to publish it. Could I post <br></div>�it at the mageia wiki? Should I send it as attached file to you?Please, let me know.<br>Cheers.<br>
+<div>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/2 Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rda@mageia.org" target="_blank">rda@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hey Otto,<br>
+<div><br>
+On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 19:34, Otto &lt;<a href="mailto:ottosa@gmail.com" target="_blank">ottosa@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; �I intend to make a guide for mageia newcomers in portuguese to help who are<br>
+</div>&gt; starting with a rpm distro . Thus, I will publish it later on.[...]<br>
+<div>&gt; Perhaps I will translate it to the english language when it will be ready.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Excellent! Focus on your original version and we will have many<br>
+translators available to port it afterwise.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks!<br>
+<br>
+Romain<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Romain d&#39;Alverny<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/</a> board &amp; council member<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:43, Wolfgang Bornath<br><br><span dir="ltr"></span>More: it is false, as Mandriva Linux still exists and has no plans to<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+close shop. <font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>In the text of the article the situation of Mandriva is explained.<br><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<font color="#888888">
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:43, Wolfgang Bornath<br><br><span dir="ltr"></span>More: it is false, as Mandriva Linux still exists and has no plans to<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+close shop. <font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div><br>In the text of the article the situation of Mandriva is explained.<br><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<font color="#888888">
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>Frederic<br>
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+I also like the writing. Really nice work.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Thorsten van Lil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am 03.05.2011 16:16, schrieb Markus Franz:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Dear Mageia Team,<br>
+<br>
+I am writing for Netzwelt, one of the major websites about consumer<br>
+electronics in Germany. Just wanted to let you know that Mageia was<br>
+recently mentioned in a Beta-Test:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.netzwelt.de/news/86491-nachfolger-mandriva-linux-mageia-beta-test.html" target="_blank">http://www.netzwelt.de/news/86491-nachfolger-mandriva-linux-mageia-beta-test.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Hope you like it ...<br>
+<br>
+All the best,<br>
+Markus<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Thank you Markus for pointing us this review. It&#39;s a very positive one :)<br>
+<br>
+We would be happy if you follow the further development of Mageia with the same positive attitude ;)<br>
+But, honour to whom honour is due:<br>
+Many of the advantages you mentioned are from mandriva.<br>
+<br>
+Greetings,<br><font color="#888888">
+Thorsten<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+I also like the writing. Really nice work.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:24 PM, Thorsten van Lil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am 03.05.2011 16:16, schrieb Markus Franz:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Dear Mageia Team,<br>
+<br>
+I am writing for Netzwelt, one of the major websites about consumer<br>
+electronics in Germany. Just wanted to let you know that Mageia was<br>
+recently mentioned in a Beta-Test:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.netzwelt.de/news/86491-nachfolger-mandriva-linux-mageia-beta-test.html" target="_blank">http://www.netzwelt.de/news/86491-nachfolger-mandriva-linux-mageia-beta-test.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Hope you like it ...<br>
+<br>
+All the best,<br>
+Markus<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Thank you Markus for pointing us this review. It&#39;s a very positive one :)<br>
+<br>
+We would be happy if you follow the further development of Mageia with the same positive attitude ;)<br>
+But, honour to whom honour is due:<br>
+Many of the advantages you mentioned are from mandriva.<br>
+<br>
+Greetings,<br><font color="#888888">
+Thorsten<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Thanks professor Carlos, it is very important to Mageia distribution in Brazil and Latin-America.<br><br>I am redirecting this e-mail to Mageia-DEV maillist too.<br><br>Please Magers, <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">help</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">with</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">registration</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">of the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Mageia brazilian</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">mirror</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span></span><br>
+<br>Cheers,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/3 Carlos Carvalho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:carlos@fisica.ufpr.br">carlos@fisica.ufpr.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I&#39;ve registered our mirror in the database on April 28. It&#39;s ready and<br>
+up-to-date. The addresses are:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br</a><br>
+<a href="ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+rsync://<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+I request access to the master <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a>. For the<br>
+initialization I used Jussieu but we want to be tier 1 and update from<br>
+the master directly.<br>
+<br>
+The mirror machine is <a href="http://sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br</a>. We prefer that you give rsync<br>
+access to the name; if it&#39;s not possible the IPs are<br>
+200.236.31.1 and 2801:82:80ff:8000::2<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+Thanks professor Carlos, it is very important to Mageia distribution in Brazil and Latin-America.<br><br>I am redirecting this e-mail to Mageia-DEV maillist too.<br><br>Please Magers, <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">help</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">with</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">registration</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">of the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Mageia brazilian</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">mirror</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span></span><br>
+<br>Cheers,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/3 Carlos Carvalho <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:carlos@fisica.ufpr.br">carlos@fisica.ufpr.br</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I&#39;ve registered our mirror in the database on April 28. It&#39;s ready and<br>
+up-to-date. The addresses are:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br</a><br>
+<a href="ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+rsync://<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+<br>
+I request access to the master <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a>. For the<br>
+initialization I used Jussieu but we want to be tier 1 and update from<br>
+the master directly.<br>
+<br>
+The mirror machine is <a href="http://sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br</a>. We prefer that you give rsync<br>
+access to the name; if it&#39;s not possible the IPs are<br>
+200.236.31.1 and 2801:82:80ff:8000::2<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
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+Excellent news!Thanks again from mageia Brazil at <a href="http://www.mageiabr.org">http://www.mageiabr.org</a>. The mageia has been spread about in Brazil� hugely and the new brazillian community is becoming large day by day. This new mirror will be very significant at the mageia 1 release date. Thumbs up for mageia.<br>
+cheers.<br>Otto Sa.<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/4 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le mercredi 04 mai 2011 � 14:07 -0300, Filipe Saraiva a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Thanks professor Carlos, it is very important to Mageia distribution in<br>
+&gt; Brazil and Latin-America.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am redirecting this e-mail to Mageia-DEV maillist too.<br>
+<br>
+</div>We are already taking care on the -sysadmin list.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt; Please Magers, help with registration of the Mageia brazilian mirror.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2011/5/3 Carlos Carvalho &lt;<a href="mailto:carlos@fisica.ufpr.br">carlos@fisica.ufpr.br</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I&#39;ve registered our mirror in the database on April 28. It&#39;s ready and<br>
+&gt; &gt; up-to-date. The addresses are:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; rsync://<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I request access to the master <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a>. For the<br>
+&gt; &gt; initialization I used Jussieu but we want to be tier 1 and update from<br>
+&gt; &gt; the master directly.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; The mirror machine is <a href="http://sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br</a>. We prefer that you give rsync<br>
+&gt; &gt; access to the name; if it&#39;s not possible the IPs are<br>
+&gt; &gt; 200.236.31.1 and 2801:82:80ff:8000::2<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</div></div><font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Excellent news!Thanks again from mageia Brazil at <a href="http://www.mageiabr.org">http://www.mageiabr.org</a>. The mageia has been spread about in Brazil� hugely and the new brazillian community is becoming large day by day. This new mirror will be very significant at the mageia 1 release date. Thumbs up for mageia.<br>
+cheers.<br>Otto Sa.<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/4 Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le mercredi 04 mai 2011 � 14:07 -0300, Filipe Saraiva a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Thanks professor Carlos, it is very important to Mageia distribution in<br>
+&gt; Brazil and Latin-America.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I am redirecting this e-mail to Mageia-DEV maillist too.<br>
+<br>
+</div>We are already taking care on the -sysadmin list.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt; Please Magers, help with registration of the Mageia brazilian mirror.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2011/5/3 Carlos Carvalho &lt;<a href="mailto:carlos@fisica.ufpr.br">carlos@fisica.ufpr.br</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I&#39;ve registered our mirror in the database on April 28. It&#39;s ready and<br>
+&gt; &gt; up-to-date. The addresses are:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">ftp://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; rsync://<a href="http://mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia" target="_blank">mageia.c3sl.ufpr.br/mageia</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I request access to the master <a href="http://rsync.mageia.org" target="_blank">rsync.mageia.org</a>. For the<br>
+&gt; &gt; initialization I used Jussieu but we want to be tier 1 and update from<br>
+&gt; &gt; the master directly.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; The mirror machine is <a href="http://sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br" target="_blank">sagres.c3sl.ufpr.br</a>. We prefer that you give rsync<br>
+&gt; &gt; access to the name; if it&#39;s not possible the IPs are<br>
+&gt; &gt; 200.236.31.1 and 2801:82:80ff:8000::2<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</div></div><font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi list,<div><br></div><div>I just installed Mageia 1 Beta2, and found that this problem still occurred.</div><div><br></div><div>So I came here to ask if you could give me any hint.</div><div><br></div><div>This problem only happened on my laptop, which uses intel GM965 on-board display chip.</div>
+
+<div>It has been a problem since Mandriva 2010.1 and 2010.2. �I&#39;m not sure if it had the same problem on Mandriva 2010.0.</div><div><br></div><div>Please see this screenshot:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot1.png">http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot1.png</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>As you can see, in the KDE menu only the first item has words on it. �The other items are icons only.</div><div><br></div><div>Actually, only Chinese fonts would become white. �Why do I think it become white words on white background?</div>
+
+<div>Please see:</div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><a href="http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot2.png">http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot2.png</a></div>
+
+</div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><a href="http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot3.png">http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot3.png</a></div></div><div><br></div>
+
+<div>In screenshot 3 you can see the words on my task bar. �The Chinese words are white, while English words are black.</div><div><br></div><div>It also happened in the KDE menu:</div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>
+
+<a href="http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot4.png">http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot4.png</a></div></div><div><br></div><div>I tried to create a clean user environment by logging in with an empty home folder. �However this problem was still the same.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>When I installed kubuntu or Linux Mint 10, this problem didn&#39;t happen. �Only Mandriva and Mageia happened.</div><div><br></div><div>Have you ever seen similar problems before? �Changing the color settings in KDE does not help to solve this problem.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Any suggestion or hint is appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Franklin</div>
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+Hi list,<div><br></div><div>I just installed Mageia 1 Beta2, and found that this problem still occurred.</div><div><br></div><div>So I came here to ask if you could give me any hint.</div><div><br></div><div>This problem only happened on my laptop, which uses intel GM965 on-board display chip.</div>
+
+<div>It has been a problem since Mandriva 2010.1 and 2010.2. �I&#39;m not sure if it had the same problem on Mandriva 2010.0.</div><div><br></div><div>Please see this screenshot:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot1.png">http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot1.png</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>As you can see, in the KDE menu only the first item has words on it. �The other items are icons only.</div><div><br></div><div>Actually, only Chinese fonts would become white. �Why do I think it become white words on white background?</div>
+
+<div>Please see:</div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><a href="http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot2.png">http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot2.png</a></div>
+
+</div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div><a href="http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot3.png">http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot3.png</a></div></div><div><br></div>
+
+<div>In screenshot 3 you can see the words on my task bar. �The Chinese words are white, while English words are black.</div><div><br></div><div>It also happened in the KDE menu:</div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>
+
+<a href="http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot4.png">http://www.goodhorse.idv.tw/files/screenshot4.png</a></div></div><div><br></div><div>I tried to create a clean user environment by logging in with an empty home folder. �However this problem was still the same.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>When I installed kubuntu or Linux Mint 10, this problem didn&#39;t happen. �Only Mandriva and Mageia happened.</div><div><br></div><div>Have you ever seen similar problems before? �Changing the color settings in KDE does not help to solve this problem.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Any suggestion or hint is appreciated.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Franklin</div>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I have Internet access problems and I cannot add myself to the list of restaurant participants of Tuesday 10 Mai at 20:00.</span></div><div><span>Please, can you add me: Florin Catalin RUSSEN (aka: Piratu)</span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Best regards,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Mageia Romanian Translation Team<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Marianne Lombard &lt;marianne@tuxette.fr&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general
+ discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 1 May 2011, 11:04<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Mageia-discuss] Solutions Linux 2011 - Mageia Dinner (in Paris - France)<br></font><br>Hi everyone,<br><br>As you know, it's soon the beginning of Solutions Linux in Paris (the<br>10th, 11th and 12th of May). Paris, France, no Paris, Texas .And for the joy and pleasure of all<br>visitors, Mageia will have a stand, to spread the good word about Linux,<br>and make people know how great this distribution will be.<br><br>After a long day to speak, walk and exchange about free software, open<br>source and information technology, it's pleasant to continue around a<br>dinner and some beverage (like beer or soda). To prepare this occasion<br>to socialize, we need to book a restaurant. And to book, we need to know<br>how many people come. The choosen date is the Tuesday (the
+ 10th of May)<br>in the evening.<br>Can you please register on this wiki page and indicate if you are accompagnied ? (<br><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday</a> <br>)<br><br>We are trying to find a nice place, not to expensive and where groups<br>are welcome in Paris. If you have a good spot to recommend, you can<br>contact me here or on IRC<br><br>Jehane<br>designated volunteer<br><br>-------------------<br><br>Salut,<br><br>Comme vous le savez, Solutions Linux va bient�t commencer � Paris (les 10, 11 et 12 mai). Pour la plus grande joie des visiteurs, Mageia aura un stand afin de r�pandre la bonne parole linuxienne et faire savoir � tous combien notre distribution est g�niale.<br><br>Apr�s une longue journ�e � parler, marcher et troller �changer sur les logiciels libres, open source et
+ l'informatique, il est agr�able de continuer autour d'un d�ner et de quelques boissons (comme de la bi�re ou du soda). Afin de pr�parer cette occasion de relations sociales, nous devons r�server un restaurant. Et pour r�server, nous devons savoir combien de personnes viennent. La date retenue est le mardi (le 10 mai) dans la soir�e.<br>Pouvez-vous vous enregistrer sur cette page wiki en indiquant combien de personnes vous accompagnent ? ( <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday</a> )<br><br>Nous essayons de trouver un endroit sympathique, pas trop cher et accueillant les groupes, le tout � Paris. Si vous avez un bon plan � recommander, vous pouvez me contacter ici ou sur IRC.<br><br>Jehane<br>D�sign�e volontaire<br><br>-- Marianne Lombard (Jehane)<br>Mageia User - Mageia french translation
+ team<br>Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett<br><br><br><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Hi,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>I have Internet access problems and I cannot add myself to the list of restaurant participants of Tuesday 10 Mai at 20:00.</span></div><div><span>Please, can you add me: Florin Catalin RUSSEN (aka: Piratu)</span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Best regards,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Mageia Romanian Translation Team<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><font face="Arial" size="2"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Marianne Lombard &lt;marianne@tuxette.fr&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general
+ discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, 1 May 2011, 11:04<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Mageia-discuss] Solutions Linux 2011 - Mageia Dinner (in Paris - France)<br></font><br>Hi everyone,<br><br>As you know, it's soon the beginning of Solutions Linux in Paris (the<br>10th, 11th and 12th of May). Paris, France, no Paris, Texas .And for the joy and pleasure of all<br>visitors, Mageia will have a stand, to spread the good word about Linux,<br>and make people know how great this distribution will be.<br><br>After a long day to speak, walk and exchange about free software, open<br>source and information technology, it's pleasant to continue around a<br>dinner and some beverage (like beer or soda). To prepare this occasion<br>to socialize, we need to book a restaurant. And to book, we need to know<br>how many people come. The choosen date is the Tuesday (the
+ 10th of May)<br>in the evening.<br>Can you please register on this wiki page and indicate if you are accompagnied ? (<br><a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday</a> <br>)<br><br>We are trying to find a nice place, not to expensive and where groups<br>are welcome in Paris. If you have a good spot to recommend, you can<br>contact me here or on IRC<br><br>Jehane<br>designated volunteer<br><br>-------------------<br><br>Salut,<br><br>Comme vous le savez, Solutions Linux va bient�t commencer � Paris (les 10, 11 et 12 mai). Pour la plus grande joie des visiteurs, Mageia aura un stand afin de r�pandre la bonne parole linuxienne et faire savoir � tous combien notre distribution est g�niale.<br><br>Apr�s une longue journ�e � parler, marcher et troller �changer sur les logiciels libres, open source et
+ l'informatique, il est agr�able de continuer autour d'un d�ner et de quelques boissons (comme de la bi�re ou du soda). Afin de pr�parer cette occasion de relations sociales, nous devons r�server un restaurant. Et pour r�server, nous devons savoir combien de personnes viennent. La date retenue est le mardi (le 10 mai) dans la soir�e.<br>Pouvez-vous vous enregistrer sur cette page wiki en indiquant combien de personnes vous accompagnent ? ( <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=events:solutions_linux_2011#restaurant_on_tuesday</a> )<br><br>Nous essayons de trouver un endroit sympathique, pas trop cher et accueillant les groupes, le tout � Paris. Si vous avez un bon plan � recommander, vous pouvez me contacter ici ou sur IRC.<br><br>Jehane<br>D�sign�e volontaire<br><br>-- Marianne Lombard (Jehane)<br>Mageia User - Mageia french translation
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Please do, it's kind of hard to follow those mails!</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; specific than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-discuss digest...&quot;</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Please do, it's kind of hard to follow those mails!</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/20 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div>
+So, yes, the behaviour you see is the intended one, when installing<br>
+pm-utils &gt;= 1.4.1-3.mga1, urpmi will tell you it conflicts with<br>
+laptop-mode-tools and asks to remove the latter. Since pm-utils is<br>
+required by many core packages, it&#39;s going to be hard to install<br>
+laptop-mode-tools.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>So I think as simple user, that I don&#39;t need laptop-mode-tools.
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/20 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div>
+So, yes, the behaviour you see is the intended one, when installing<br>
+pm-utils &gt;= 1.4.1-3.mga1, urpmi will tell you it conflicts with<br>
+laptop-mode-tools and asks to remove the latter. Since pm-utils is<br>
+required by many core packages, it&#39;s going to be hard to install<br>
+laptop-mode-tools.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div>So I think as simple user, that I don&#39;t need laptop-mode-tools.
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+With the last update in this evening (a lot of KDE stuff) laptop-mode-tools were removed.<div>Is this ok?</div><div><br></div><div>An installation manually with bluez-pin wants to remove KDE!?</div><div><br></div><div>An installation with gnome-bluetooth (with gvfs-obexftp and lib64gnome-bluetooth8) seems ok.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>What&#39;s correct?</div>
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+With the last update in this evening (a lot of KDE stuff) laptop-mode-tools were removed.<div>Is this ok?</div><div><br></div><div>An installation manually with bluez-pin wants to remove KDE!?</div><div><br></div><div>An installation with gnome-bluetooth (with gvfs-obexftp and lib64gnome-bluetooth8) seems ok.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>What&#39;s correct?</div>
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+I think there will be a lot of people, who are still using Mandriva and who will just use the upgrade function of Mageia, not only because of the reason Mageia promised them this possibility.<br>So it is very important to test this.<br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Luan Pham <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pham182b@gmail.com">pham182b@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Friday, May 20, 2011 05:32:58 AM Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+&gt; Next reboot built the nvidia module and everything was working.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; To my surprise the Mandriva Galaxy welcome screen appeared! So this<br>
+&gt; was not erased, not even by --auto-orphans !<br>
+<br>
+I never do an upgrade. �I always install a fresh copy with out erase /home<br>
+partition. That why I never seen this.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+I think there will be a lot of people, who are still using Mandriva and who will just use the upgrade function of Mageia, not only because of the reason Mageia promised them this possibility.<br>So it is very important to test this.<br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Luan Pham <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:pham182b@gmail.com">pham182b@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Friday, May 20, 2011 05:32:58 AM Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+&gt; Next reboot built the nvidia module and everything was working.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; To my surprise the Mandriva Galaxy welcome screen appeared! So this<br>
+&gt; was not erased, not even by --auto-orphans !<br>
+<br>
+I never do an upgrade. �I always install a fresh copy with out erase /home<br>
+partition. That why I never seen this.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 21. Mai 2011 14:04 schrieb magnus <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:magnus.mud@googlemail.com">magnus.mud@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 21. Mai 2011 13:56 schrieb magnus <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:magnus.mud@googlemail.com" target="_blank">magnus.mud@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Excuse my late response. In the night I had a problrm with the size of the output (inline) and googlemail.<br>Now I Had to look for in the jungle of my maschines and installations :-(<br><br>And now the important things:<br>
+
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Different output from urpmi and mcc:<br><br>[root@tux_edge magnus]# LC_ALL=C urpmi laptop-mode-tools<br>In order to satisfy the &#39;bluez-pin|bluez-pin|<div>bluedevil|gnome-bluetooth|gnome-bluetooth&#39; dependency, one of the following packages is needed:<br>
+
+
+
+ 1- gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-2.mga1.x86_64: GNOME Bluetooth Subsystem (to install)<br> 2- bluez-pin-0.30-11.mga1.x86_64: Bluetooth PIN GUI (to install)<br>What is your choice? (1-2) 2<br>Some requested packages cannot be installed:<br>
+
+
+
+mageia-kde4-config-common-1-6.mga1.noarch (trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>netbook-kde4-config-1-6.mga1.noarch (due to unsatisfied mageia-kde4-config-common[*], trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>
+
+
+
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) n<br>[root@tux_edge magnus]#<br></div></div><br><br>mcc output as attachment (only with some translations)<br>
+</blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div>Another trial, fight with the the size :(<div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 21. Mai 2011 14:04 schrieb magnus <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:magnus.mud@googlemail.com">magnus.mud@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 21. Mai 2011 13:56 schrieb magnus <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:magnus.mud@googlemail.com" target="_blank">magnus.mud@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<div><div></div><div class="h5">
+<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Excuse my late response. In the night I had a problrm with the size of the output (inline) and googlemail.<br>Now I Had to look for in the jungle of my maschines and installations :-(<br><br>And now the important things:<br>
+
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Different output from urpmi and mcc:<br><br>[root@tux_edge magnus]# LC_ALL=C urpmi laptop-mode-tools<br>In order to satisfy the &#39;bluez-pin|bluez-pin|<div>bluedevil|gnome-bluetooth|gnome-bluetooth&#39; dependency, one of the following packages is needed:<br>
+
+
+
+ 1- gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-2.mga1.x86_64: GNOME Bluetooth Subsystem (to install)<br> 2- bluez-pin-0.30-11.mga1.x86_64: Bluetooth PIN GUI (to install)<br>What is your choice? (1-2) 2<br>Some requested packages cannot be installed:<br>
+
+
+
+mageia-kde4-config-common-1-6.mga1.noarch (trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>netbook-kde4-config-1-6.mga1.noarch (due to unsatisfied mageia-kde4-config-common[*], trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>
+
+
+
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) n<br>[root@tux_edge magnus]#<br></div></div><br><br>mcc output as attachment (only with some translations)<br>
+</blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div>Another trial, fight with the the size :(<div><br></div>
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+dear buddies,<br>I have talked about it earlier and the reply was there at <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-discuss@mageia.org/msg03742.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-discuss@mageia.org/msg03742.html</a><br>
+cheers.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/21 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 21 May 2011 23:59, Dale Huckeby &lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati<br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; No, simply because there&#39;s no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was<br>
+&gt;&gt; mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is<br>
+&gt;&gt; replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by<br>
+&gt;&gt; default.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Simply no need? Maybe I&#39;m misreading you or missing something but this comes<br>
+&gt; across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; need,<br>
+&gt; and how and why people have &quot;mainly&quot; used easyurpmi in the past. How do you<br>
+&gt; know?<br>
+<br>
+</div>I know about the &quot;main&quot; use case of easyurpmi, from 2-3years of daily<br>
+visits to the Mandriva forum, search for easyurpmi and see if the word<br>
+&quot;PLF&quot; won&#39;t be in the same thread in a lot of cases.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Was there a poll that I didn&#39;t get included in? I&#39;ve always found<br>
+&gt; easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn&#39;t realize how<br>
+&gt; atypical I was.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Whether you&#39;re typical or atypical, I leave that to you.<br>
+<br>
+Using easyurpmi to just add the official repositories in Mandriva is<br>
+an &quot;atypical&quot; use case, not the regular/main use case, given the fact<br>
+there&#39;s already an integrated, installed by default, tool to do the<br>
+job.<br>
+<br>
+Sure, it&#39;s good to have an easy way to add the repos on a headless<br>
+server, but I think users running headless servers are cli-savvy<br>
+enough to know how to use urpmi.addmedia, (with help of<br>
+<a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org/distrib" target="_blank">http://mirrors.mageia.org/distrib</a><span onmouseout="cancel = false; window.setTimeout(WRCHideContent, 1000);" onmouseover="WRCShowContent({&#39;rating&#39;:{&#39;value&#39;:-1,&#39;weight&#39;:-1},&#39;flags&#39;:{},&#39;ttl&#39;:3600,&#39;expireTime&#39;:&#39;20110521215302&#39;}, this.className);" class="wrc0" style="padding-right: 16px; width: 16px; height: 16px;"></span> , it becomes a matter of<br>
+
+copy/paste).<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Dale Huckeby<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+dear buddies,<br>I have talked about it earlier and the reply was there at <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-discuss@mageia.org/msg03742.html">http://www.mail-archive.com/mageia-discuss@mageia.org/msg03742.html</a><br>
+cheers.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/21 Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On 21 May 2011 23:59, Dale Huckeby &lt;<a href="mailto:spock@evansville.net">spock@evansville.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati<br>
+&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched ?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; No, simply because there&#39;s no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was<br>
+&gt;&gt; mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is<br>
+&gt;&gt; replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by<br>
+&gt;&gt; default.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Simply no need? Maybe I&#39;m misreading you or missing something but this comes<br>
+&gt; across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; need,<br>
+&gt; and how and why people have &quot;mainly&quot; used easyurpmi in the past. How do you<br>
+&gt; know?<br>
+<br>
+</div>I know about the &quot;main&quot; use case of easyurpmi, from 2-3years of daily<br>
+visits to the Mandriva forum, search for easyurpmi and see if the word<br>
+&quot;PLF&quot; won&#39;t be in the same thread in a lot of cases.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Was there a poll that I didn&#39;t get included in? I&#39;ve always found<br>
+&gt; easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn&#39;t realize how<br>
+&gt; atypical I was.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Whether you&#39;re typical or atypical, I leave that to you.<br>
+<br>
+Using easyurpmi to just add the official repositories in Mandriva is<br>
+an &quot;atypical&quot; use case, not the regular/main use case, given the fact<br>
+there&#39;s already an integrated, installed by default, tool to do the<br>
+job.<br>
+<br>
+Sure, it&#39;s good to have an easy way to add the repos on a headless<br>
+server, but I think users running headless servers are cli-savvy<br>
+enough to know how to use urpmi.addmedia, (with help of<br>
+<a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org/distrib" target="_blank">http://mirrors.mageia.org/distrib</a><span onmouseout="cancel = false; window.setTimeout(WRCHideContent, 1000);" onmouseover="WRCShowContent({&#39;rating&#39;:{&#39;value&#39;:-1,&#39;weight&#39;:-1},&#39;flags&#39;:{},&#39;ttl&#39;:3600,&#39;expireTime&#39;:&#39;20110521215302&#39;}, this.className);" class="wrc0" style="padding-right: 16px; width: 16px; height: 16px;"></span> , it becomes a matter of<br>
+
+copy/paste).<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Dale Huckeby<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Ahmad Samir<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<html lang="en"><head>
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+    <meta charset="utf-8"><title>Download Mageia 1 RC</title>
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+</script></head><body>
+    <div class="nav"><!--googleoff: all--><div class="nav2"><p class="loc"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/" accesskey="1">Mageia</a> | <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en">Blog</a> | <a href="http://www.mageia.org/downloads/">Download RC</a> | <a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/">Wiki</a> | <a href="http://forums.mageia.org/en/">Forums</a> | <a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/calendar/">Calendar</a> | <a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/">About</a> | <a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/donate/">Donations</a></p><form id="lang_form" dir="ltr" method="get" action="/">
+    <!--<label for="flang">Autres langues&nbsp;:</label>-->
+    <input name="furl" value="/en/downloads/" type="hidden">
+    <select id="flang" name="flang" dir="ltr" onchange="this.form.submit()">
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+    </select>
+    <noscript><div><input id="lang_submit" value="Hop!" type="submit"></div></noscript>
+</form>
+</div><!--googleon: all--></div>    
+    <div id="doc" class="yui-t7">
+        <div id="hd" role="banner"><h1><a id="logo" href="http://www.mageia.org/"><span>Mageia</span></a> <span class="lsep">|</span> <span class="subh">Download Mageia 1 <em class="tag">RC</em></span></h1></div>
+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="para">
+                <p>Basta escolher a imagem ISO que for melhor para você. Se você não tiver certeza, você deve escolher entre as duas primeiras.</p>
+                <br>
+                <table class="dlt2">
+    <thead>
+        <tr>
+            <th>Opção<br>
+</th>
+            <th>Idiomas</th>
+            <th class="size">Tamanho</th>
+            <th>Popularidade</th>
+            <th>Link Direto</th>
+            <th>BitTorrent</th>
+        </tr>
+    </thead>
+    <tbody>
+    <tr>
+<td class="name">32bit DVD</td>
+<td class="lang">Todos suportados</td>
+<td class="size">4GB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_5">5</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-dvd-i586" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-dvd-i586&amp;torrent=1" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+</tr><tr>
+<td class="name">64bit DVD</td>
+<td class="lang">Todos suportados</td>
+<td class="size">4GB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_3">3</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-dvd-x86_64" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-dvd-x86_64&amp;torrent=1" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+</tr><tr>
+<td class="name">Dual arch CD</td>
+<td class="lang">Limitado</td>
+<td class="size">700MB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_1">1</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-cd-dualarch" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-cd-dualarch&amp;torrent=1" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+</tr><tr>
+<td class="name">boot.iso 32bit CD</td>
+<td class="lang">Todos suportados</td>
+<td class="size">40MB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_1">1</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-netboot-i586" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="" rel="nofollow"></a><br>
+</td>
+</tr><tr>
+<td class="name">boot.iso 64bit CD</td>
+<td class="lang">Todos suportados</td>
+<td class="size">40MB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_1">1</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-netboot-x86_64" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="" rel="nofollow"></a><br>
+</td>
+</tr>
+    </tbody>
+</table>
+<p class="dlinfo"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Todos os suportados</span>: até 167 idiomas são suportados: 
+alemão, inglês, espanhol, francês, italiano, português, sueco, 
+holandês, polonês, dinamarquês e muito mais! Veja <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=tmp:supported_locales">a lista completa</a>.</p>
+<p class="dlinfo"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Limitado:</span> bielorrusso, catalão, alemão, inglês, espanhol, francês, húngaro, polonês, italiano, português, ucraniano</p>
+<p class="dlinfo"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Conjunto de idiomas europeu</span>:
+alemão, espanhol (diversas variantes), espanhol, francês, italiano,
+polonês, russo, português do Brasil. Mais idiomas serão
+disponibilizados para a versão estável.</p>
+<p class="dlinfo"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Você não tem certeza de qual ISO fazer download?</span> Isso pode 
+ser ainda melhor explicado, mas você pode querer <a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_installation_media">ler este artigo, 
+detalhando as diferenças entre as nossas mídias de instalação</a>.</p>
+            </div></div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first"><div class="para" style="padding-right: 0pt;">
+                    <h2>Alterações desde o Beta 2</h2>
+                    <ul>
+                        <li>correções de bugs – muitos deles!</li>
+                        <li>atualização da versão dos pacotes</li>
+                        <li>mais pacotes nas ISOs</li>
+                    </ul>
+                </div></div>
+                <div class="yui-u"><div class="para">
+                    <h2>Documentos de Lançamento<br>
+</h2>
+                    <ul>
+                        <li><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:rc_release_notes" hreflang="en">Notas de Lançamento</a></li>
+                        <li><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia1:errata" hreflang="en">Errata</a></li>
+                        <li><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/" hreflang="en">Blog post</a></li>
+                        <li><a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt/">O que é Mageia?</a></li>
+                    </ul>
+                    <p>A versão final será lançada em&nbsp; 1º de Junho.</p>
+                    <p>Você pode verificar nosso <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso_1_specifications#expected_milestones">roteiro para o Mageia 1 aqui</a>.</p>
+                </div></div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+
+
+</body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><span lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Rda, <br><br>I&#39;m</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">sending</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">attached</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">a translation</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">of the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">download page</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">&quot;Mageia</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">RC</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">&quot;,</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">for</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">the portuguese language.</span><br>
+
+<br> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">English</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">:</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</a></span><br>
+
+ <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">for</span><br> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Portuguese</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">:</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt/downloads/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/pt/downloads/</a><br>
+
+<br></span></span><span lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Note: page edited</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">in</span> &quot;<span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">KompoZer</span>&quot; <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">software</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">,</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">in</span> M<span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">ageia</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Beta2</span></span><br>
+
+<span lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><br>Cheers!� :)<br><br>MacXi<br></span></span>
+</div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE html>
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+        <div id="bd" role="main">
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="para">
+                <p>Basta escolher a imagem ISO que for melhor para você. Se você não tiver certeza, você deve escolher entre as duas primeiras.</p>
+                <br>
+                <table class="dlt2">
+    <thead>
+        <tr>
+            <th>Opção<br>
+</th>
+            <th>Idiomas</th>
+            <th class="size">Tamanho</th>
+            <th>Popularidade</th>
+            <th>Link Direto</th>
+            <th>BitTorrent</th>
+        </tr>
+    </thead>
+    <tbody>
+    <tr>
+<td class="name">32bit DVD</td>
+<td class="lang">Todos suportados</td>
+<td class="size">4GB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_5">5</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-dvd-i586" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-dvd-i586&amp;torrent=1" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+</tr><tr>
+<td class="name">64bit DVD</td>
+<td class="lang">Todos suportados</td>
+<td class="size">4GB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_3">3</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-dvd-x86_64" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-dvd-x86_64&amp;torrent=1" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+</tr><tr>
+<td class="name">Dual arch CD</td>
+<td class="lang">Limitado</td>
+<td class="size">700MB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_1">1</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-cd-dualarch" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-cd-dualarch&amp;torrent=1" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+</tr><tr>
+<td class="name">boot.iso 32bit CD</td>
+<td class="lang">Todos suportados</td>
+<td class="size">40MB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_1">1</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-netboot-i586" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="" rel="nofollow"></a><br>
+</td>
+</tr><tr>
+<td class="name">boot.iso 64bit CD</td>
+<td class="lang">Todos suportados</td>
+<td class="size">40MB</td>
+<td class="pop"><span class="pop_1">1</span></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/dl.php?product=mageia-1-rc-netboot-x86_64" rel="nofollow">download</a></td>
+<td class="link"><a href="" rel="nofollow"></a><br>
+</td>
+</tr>
+    </tbody>
+</table>
+<p class="dlinfo"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Todos os suportados</span>: até 167 idiomas são suportados: 
+alemão, inglês, espanhol, francês, italiano, português, sueco, 
+holandês, polonês, dinamarquês e muito mais! Veja <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=tmp:supported_locales">a lista completa</a>.</p>
+<p class="dlinfo"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Limitado:</span> bielorrusso, catalão, alemão, inglês, espanhol, francês, húngaro, polonês, italiano, português, ucraniano</p>
+<p class="dlinfo"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Conjunto de idiomas europeu</span>:
+alemão, espanhol (diversas variantes), espanhol, francês, italiano,
+polonês, russo, português do Brasil. Mais idiomas serão
+disponibilizados para a versão estável.</p>
+<p class="dlinfo"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Você não tem certeza de qual ISO fazer download?</span> Isso pode 
+ser ainda melhor explicado, mas você pode querer <a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia_installation_media">ler este artigo, 
+detalhando as diferenças entre as nossas mídias de instalação</a>.</p>
+            </div></div>
+            <div class="yui-g">
+                <div class="yui-u first"><div class="para" style="padding-right: 0pt;">
+                    <h2>Alterações desde o Beta 2</h2>
+                    <ul>
+                        <li>correções de bugs – muitos deles!</li>
+                        <li>atualização da versão dos pacotes</li>
+                        <li>mais pacotes nas ISOs</li>
+                    </ul>
+                </div></div>
+                <div class="yui-u"><div class="para">
+                    <h2>Documentos de Lançamento<br>
+</h2>
+                    <ul>
+                        <li><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso1:rc_release_notes" hreflang="en">Notas de Lançamento</a></li>
+                        <li><a href="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mageia1:errata" hreflang="en">Errata</a></li>
+                        <li><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/" hreflang="en">Blog post</a></li>
+                        <li><a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt/">O que é Mageia?</a></li>
+                    </ul>
+                    <p>A versão final será lançada em&nbsp; 1º de Junho.</p>
+                    <p>Você pode verificar nosso <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=iso_1_specifications#expected_milestones">roteiro para o Mageia 1 aqui</a>.</p>
+                </div></div>
+            </div>
+        </div>
+    </div>
+
+
+</body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><span lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Rda, <br><br>I&#39;m</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">sending</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">attached</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">a translation</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">of the</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">download page</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">&quot;Mageia</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">RC</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">&quot;,</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">for</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">the portuguese language.</span><br>
+
+<br> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">English</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">:</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</a></span><br>
+
+ <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">for</span><br> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Portuguese</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">:</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><a href="http://www.mageia.org/pt/downloads/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/pt/downloads/</a><br>
+
+<br></span></span><span lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Note: page edited</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">in</span> &quot;<span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">KompoZer</span>&quot; <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">software</span><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">,</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">in</span> M<span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">ageia</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">Beta2</span></span><br>
+
+<span lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"><br>Cheers!� :)<br><br>MacXi<br></span></span>
+</div><br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Excuse my late response. In the night (in still today)  I had a problem with the size of the output (inline) and googlemail.<br>
+Now I had to look for in the jungle of my maschines and installations :-(<br><br>And now the important things:<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Different output from urpmi and mcc:<br><br>[root@tux_edge magnus]# LC_ALL=C urpmi laptop-mode-tools<br>
+In order to satisfy the &#39;bluez-pin|bluez-pin|<div>bluedevil|gnome-bluetooth|gnome-bluetooth&#39; dependency, one of the following packages is needed:<br> 1- gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-2.mga1.x86_64: GNOME Bluetooth Subsystem (to install)<br>
+ 2- bluez-pin-0.30-11.mga1.x86_64: Bluetooth PIN GUI (to install)<br>What is your choice? (1-2) 2<br>Some requested packages cannot be installed:<br>mageia-kde4-config-common-1-6.mga1.noarch (trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>
+netbook-kde4-config-1-6.mga1.noarch (due to unsatisfied mageia-kde4-config-common[*], trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) n<br>[root@tux_edge magnus]#<br></div><div>
+<br></div><div>Output from mcc is too great (90K) to send</div><div><br></div></div></span>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Excuse my late response. In the night (in still today)  I had a problem with the size of the output (inline) and googlemail.<br>
+Now I had to look for in the jungle of my maschines and installations :-(<br><br>And now the important things:<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Different output from urpmi and mcc:<br><br>[root@tux_edge magnus]# LC_ALL=C urpmi laptop-mode-tools<br>
+In order to satisfy the &#39;bluez-pin|bluez-pin|<div>bluedevil|gnome-bluetooth|gnome-bluetooth&#39; dependency, one of the following packages is needed:<br> 1- gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-2.mga1.x86_64: GNOME Bluetooth Subsystem (to install)<br>
+ 2- bluez-pin-0.30-11.mga1.x86_64: Bluetooth PIN GUI (to install)<br>What is your choice? (1-2) 2<br>Some requested packages cannot be installed:<br>mageia-kde4-config-common-1-6.mga1.noarch (trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>
+netbook-kde4-config-1-6.mga1.noarch (due to unsatisfied mageia-kde4-config-common[*], trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) n<br>[root@tux_edge magnus]#<br></div><div>
+<br></div><div>Output from mcc is too great (90K) to send</div><div><br></div></div></span>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Renaud (Ron) Olgiati&quot; &lt;renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org&gt; schrieb am 21.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; launched ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against it. After all, we provide a similar service at mandrivauser.de, but:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Using Mandriva with important third party repos (plf) which had to be configured outside the draktools, it was good and important to have such things.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But where is the reasoning behind it with Mageia?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Renaud (Ron) Olgiati&quot; &lt;renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org&gt; schrieb am 21.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; launched ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against it. After all, we provide a similar service at mandrivauser.de, but:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Why?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Using Mandriva with important third party repos (plf) which had to be configured outside the draktools, it was good and important to have such things.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">But where is the reasoning behind it with Mageia?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+Excuse my late response. In the night I had a problrm with the size of the output (inline) and googlemail.<br>Now I Had to look for in the jungle of my maschines and installations :-(<br><br>And now the important things:<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Different output from urpmi and mcc:<br><br>[root@tux_edge magnus]# LC_ALL=C urpmi laptop-mode-tools<br>In order to satisfy the &#39;bluez-pin|bluez-pin|<div id=":e7">bluedevil|gnome-bluetooth|gnome-bluetooth&#39; dependency, one of the following packages is needed:<br>
+
+ 1- gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-2.mga1.x86_64: GNOME Bluetooth Subsystem (to install)<br> 2- bluez-pin-0.30-11.mga1.x86_64: Bluetooth PIN GUI (to install)<br>What is your choice? (1-2) 2<br>Some requested packages cannot be installed:<br>
+
+mageia-kde4-config-common-1-6.mga1.noarch (trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>netbook-kde4-config-1-6.mga1.noarch (due to unsatisfied mageia-kde4-config-common[*], trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>
+
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) n<br>[root@tux_edge magnus]#<br></div></div><br><br>mcc output as attachment (only with some translations)<br>
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+Excuse my late response. In the night I had a problrm with the size of the output (inline) and googlemail.<br>Now I Had to look for in the jungle of my maschines and installations :-(<br><br>And now the important things:<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">Different output from urpmi and mcc:<br><br>[root@tux_edge magnus]# LC_ALL=C urpmi laptop-mode-tools<br>In order to satisfy the &#39;bluez-pin|bluez-pin|<div id=":e7">bluedevil|gnome-bluetooth|gnome-bluetooth&#39; dependency, one of the following packages is needed:<br>
+
+ 1- gnome-bluetooth-2.32.0-2.mga1.x86_64: GNOME Bluetooth Subsystem (to install)<br> 2- bluez-pin-0.30-11.mga1.x86_64: Bluetooth PIN GUI (to install)<br>What is your choice? (1-2) 2<br>Some requested packages cannot be installed:<br>
+
+mageia-kde4-config-common-1-6.mga1.noarch (trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>netbook-kde4-config-1-6.mga1.noarch (due to unsatisfied mageia-kde4-config-common[*], trying to promote kde4-config-file, kde4-config-file)<br>
+
+Continue installation anyway? (Y/n) n<br>[root@tux_edge magnus]#<br></div></div><br><br>mcc output as attachment (only with some translations)<br>
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+My upgrade from a fresh installed 2010.1 runs ok.<br><br>mdv package are in the attachment<br>
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+My upgrade from a fresh installed 2010.1 runs ok.<br><br>mdv package are in the attachment<br>
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+<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;" lang="EN-US">There is also a
+script called &quot;tuningdrake&quot; developed from <a href="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</a> that
+the user could install a lot of non-free stuffs like sun java, adobe acrobat,
+etc.� </span><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">It works on mageia with that code</span><pre class="code"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">urpmi <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.0/free/noarch/Tuningdrake-1.0.3-1bdk2010.0.noarch.rpm">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.0/free/noarch/Tuningdrake-1.0.3-1bdk2010.0.noarch.rpm</a><br>
+<br><br><br>You can read about it from mandriva Brazil wiki at <a href="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/utilidades/tuningdrake#instalando_o_tuningdrake">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/utilidades/tuningdrake#instalando_o_tuningdrake</a><br>
+<br><br><br>cheers.</span></pre><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/21 Michael scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 04:59:43PM -0500, Dale Huckeby wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati<br>
+&gt; &gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;No, simply because there&#39;s no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was<br>
+&gt; &gt;mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is<br>
+&gt; &gt;replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by<br>
+&gt; &gt;default.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Simply no need? Maybe I&#39;m misreading you or missing something but this comes<br>
+&gt; across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don&#39;t need,<br>
+&gt; and how and why people have &quot;mainly&quot; used easyurpmi in the past. How do you<br>
+&gt; know? Was there a poll that I didn&#39;t get included in? I&#39;ve always found<br>
+&gt; easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn&#39;t realize how<br>
+&gt; atypical I was.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Easyurpmi, as I said in the past, suffer from various problems :<br>
+<br>
+- it is centralized. It is where people fighted to get included or not. Every<br>
+group in the past forked ( some without any attribution ) the software to be<br>
+listed as repository for their version, because the original maintainer refused<br>
+to list every possible variations of every random rpm repositories. Despites having wrote<br>
+docs on .urpmi-media file on the wiki, people prefered to reuse easyurpmi out of<br>
+some form of cargo culting ( until easyurpmi decided to adopt the system ).<br>
+<br>
+This caused some frictions in the community, and some divisions due to X instances of the software.<br>
+<br>
+- the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and<br>
+neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is<br>
+primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites<br>
+people fixing various problem.<br>
+<br>
+- the core of the system was still &quot;here is a website that a new user cannot find by<br>
+itself, that will give command that he doesn&#39;t understand, and that he need to type as root,<br>
+after asking question that didn&#39;t made much sense for him&quot;. That&#39;s bad on many levels :<br>
+�- difficult to find for a new user.<br>
+�- asking to type command as root first, and later &quot;click on a link in your browser and type after your<br>
+admin password&quot;, which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to people.<br>
+�- asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that use rpmdrake or<br>
+that fail silently )<br>
+<br>
+There is also some issue like &quot;it requires a web browser&quot; ( which is highly problematic when you<br>
+are in a datacenter, setting up a server ). And &quot;it doesn&#39;t use ssl&quot; ( which is rather bad for a site that give you<br>
+basically software sources ). This one could be fixed, but that&#39;s quite curious that no one<br>
+thought of it before. Maybe people do not care about security, and about the content of a file that end<br>
+to be read by a software running as root.<br>
+<br>
+The discoverability issues still exist and could not be fixed because of the nature of PLF/Mandriva.<br>
+The bad habits given to users is a direct consequence of the way it work. The power struggle<br>
+part too is inherent to the system, and this would become worst if there is a official instance<br>
+on Mageia servers.<br>
+<br>
+Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted disabled by default and maybe<br>
+some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others problems (<br>
+bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if they want, but I will<br>
+oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled as official, and<br>
+would recommend to people to not deploy it.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;" lang="EN-US">There is also a
+script called &quot;tuningdrake&quot; developed from <a href="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</a> that
+the user could install a lot of non-free stuffs like sun java, adobe acrobat,
+etc.� </span><span style="font-size: 14pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">It works on mageia with that code</span><pre class="code"><span style="font-size: 14pt;" lang="EN-US">urpmi <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.0/free/noarch/Tuningdrake-1.0.3-1bdk2010.0.noarch.rpm">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.0/free/noarch/Tuningdrake-1.0.3-1bdk2010.0.noarch.rpm</a><br>
+<br><br><br>You can read about it from mandriva Brazil wiki at <a href="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/utilidades/tuningdrake#instalando_o_tuningdrake">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/utilidades/tuningdrake#instalando_o_tuningdrake</a><br>
+<br><br><br>cheers.</span></pre><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/21 Michael scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div><div></div><div class="h5">On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 04:59:43PM -0500, Dale Huckeby wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Sat, 21 May 2011, Ahmad Samir wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;On 21 May 2011 21:46, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati<br>
+&gt; &gt;&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;Will there be some such thing in place when Mageia is finally launched ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;No, simply because there&#39;s no need for a tool like that; easyurpmi was<br>
+&gt; &gt;mainly used by Mandriva users to add the PLF repos, in Mageia PLF is<br>
+&gt; &gt;replaced by the Tainted repo, which is added (but disabled) by<br>
+&gt; &gt;default.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Simply no need? Maybe I&#39;m misreading you or missing something but this comes<br>
+&gt; across as really arrogant in presuming what others (not you!) do or don&#39;t need,<br>
+&gt; and how and why people have &quot;mainly&quot; used easyurpmi in the past. How do you<br>
+&gt; know? Was there a poll that I didn&#39;t get included in? I&#39;ve always found<br>
+&gt; easyurpmi very convenient and not just for plf. I guess I didn&#39;t realize how<br>
+&gt; atypical I was.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Easyurpmi, as I said in the past, suffer from various problems :<br>
+<br>
+- it is centralized. It is where people fighted to get included or not. Every<br>
+group in the past forked ( some without any attribution ) the software to be<br>
+listed as repository for their version, because the original maintainer refused<br>
+to list every possible variations of every random rpm repositories. Despites having wrote<br>
+docs on .urpmi-media file on the wiki, people prefered to reuse easyurpmi out of<br>
+some form of cargo culting ( until easyurpmi decided to adopt the system ).<br>
+<br>
+This caused some frictions in the community, and some divisions due to X instances of the software.<br>
+<br>
+- the code could have been much better. Olivier wrote it and he was not a php coder, and<br>
+neither is Phillipe, the current maintainer. I think that the translation system is<br>
+primitive and prone to problem. No one seemed to be motivated to rewrite, despites<br>
+people fixing various problem.<br>
+<br>
+- the core of the system was still &quot;here is a website that a new user cannot find by<br>
+itself, that will give command that he doesn&#39;t understand, and that he need to type as root,<br>
+after asking question that didn&#39;t made much sense for him&quot;. That&#39;s bad on many levels :<br>
+�- difficult to find for a new user.<br>
+�- asking to type command as root first, and later &quot;click on a link in your browser and type after your<br>
+admin password&quot;, which is IMHO quite bad from giving wrong habits to people.<br>
+�- asking lots of questions, ( fixed later by using a simplified mode, that use rpmdrake or<br>
+that fail silently )<br>
+<br>
+There is also some issue like &quot;it requires a web browser&quot; ( which is highly problematic when you<br>
+are in a datacenter, setting up a server ). And &quot;it doesn&#39;t use ssl&quot; ( which is rather bad for a site that give you<br>
+basically software sources ). This one could be fixed, but that&#39;s quite curious that no one<br>
+thought of it before. Maybe people do not care about security, and about the content of a file that end<br>
+to be read by a software running as root.<br>
+<br>
+The discoverability issues still exist and could not be fixed because of the nature of PLF/Mandriva.<br>
+The bad habits given to users is a direct consequence of the way it work. The power struggle<br>
+part too is inherent to the system, and this would become worst if there is a official instance<br>
+on Mageia servers.<br>
+<br>
+Since the discoverability issue should be fixed by simply having tainted disabled by default and maybe<br>
+some popup whatever to enable it, I see no reason to suffer from the others problems (<br>
+bad habits, power struggle ). People can install a clone of easyurpmi if they want, but I will<br>
+oppose on having it on our servers, on having anything like this labelled as official, and<br>
+would recommend to people to not deploy it.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/21 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I do not see where bluez-pin wants to remove all KDE stuff here.<br>
+You should update your hdlist (seems like mageia-kde4-config-common is missing<br>
+from your mirror) , also you forgot to add the --debug output.<br>
+You can also simply attach ast a text file the output.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>mageia-kde4-config is there<br><br>hdlist updated<br><br><br><br> <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/21 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I do not see where bluez-pin wants to remove all KDE stuff here.<br>
+You should update your hdlist (seems like mageia-kde4-config-common is missing<br>
+from your mirror) , also you forgot to add the --debug output.<br>
+You can also simply attach ast a text file the output.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>mageia-kde4-config is there<br><br>hdlist updated<br><br><br><br> <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/22 Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sat, 21 May 2011, magnus wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+My upgrade from a fresh installed 2010.1 runs ok.<br>
+<br>
+mdv package are in the attachment<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I guess you mean those are the mdv packages still installed. At least some of those (e.g. ginkgo, sam2p) are available in mageia. Did you upgrade using a DVD but not yet update using network media?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+<br>
+    Christiaan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Please look to bug 1373, there is the correct list.</div><div>The list you refer was made after the upgrade via dvd without updating.</div><div>Inside the bug there is also the list after updating . </div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/22 Christiaan Welvaart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cjw@daneel.dyndns.org">cjw@daneel.dyndns.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Sat, 21 May 2011, magnus wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+My upgrade from a fresh installed 2010.1 runs ok.<br>
+<br>
+mdv package are in the attachment<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+I guess you mean those are the mdv packages still installed. At least some of those (e.g. ginkgo, sam2p) are available in mageia. Did you upgrade using a DVD but not yet update using network media?<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+<br>
+    Christiaan<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Please look to bug 1373, there is the correct list.</div><div>The list you refer was made after the upgrade via dvd without updating.</div><div>Inside the bug there is also the list after updating . </div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/22 Daniel Le Berre <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:le.berred@free.fr">le.berred@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 22/05/2011 09:42, Luca Olivetti a �crit :<br>
+&gt; Al 22/05/11 05:51, En/na Wolfgang Bornath ha escrit:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main<br>
+&gt;&gt; reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could<br>
+&gt;&gt; get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not<br>
+&gt;&gt; uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during<br>
+&gt;&gt; one session (a known bug).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Same here, I *never* managed to upgrade the distribution, without<br>
+&gt; using easyurpmi with manual mirror selection (the upgrade tool just removed<br>
+&gt; the existing sources and always failed to add new ones).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Bye<br>
+<br>
+I used easyurpmi for a while, mainly to add PLF sources, or to specify a<br>
+specific mirror when there was some mirroring problems in MDV (hdlist<br>
+not synced with repository content for instance).<br>
+<br>
+As noted previously, the PLF issue does not hold for MGA.<br>
+<br>
+It is probably worth improving the way the current media manager is<br>
+working than add yet another tool to the distrib.<br>
+<br>
+We could have for instance checkboxes when importing media sources with:<br>
+<br>
+- select mirror: by default let the media manager find a mirror for you,<br>
+else select one in a list<br>
+- include tainted: by default disable access to tainted repository. Warn<br>
+the user about the content of those repositories.<br>
+<br>
+The main point is that people often do not know about the media manager.<br>
+Maybe a button to that tool directly in the update app would give it<br>
+more visibility, instead of looking into it on the package manager menu.<br>
+Or maybe it should be an app on its own.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Daniel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Well, it is &quot;an app on its own&quot;, just look at Mageia Control Center.</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/5/22 Daniel Le Berre <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:le.berred@free.fr">le.berred@free.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Le 22/05/2011 09:42, Luca Olivetti a �crit :<br>
+&gt; Al 22/05/11 05:51, En/na Wolfgang Bornath ha escrit:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; My reason was not to add PLF or any other repo (MUD or other). My main<br>
+&gt;&gt; reason was my dislike of the %MIRRORLIST system of Mandriva, you could<br>
+&gt;&gt; get connected to a very slow mirror or even to one which was not<br>
+&gt;&gt; uptodate without urpmi being able to switch to another mirror during<br>
+&gt;&gt; one session (a known bug).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Same here, I *never* managed to upgrade the distribution, without<br>
+&gt; using easyurpmi with manual mirror selection (the upgrade tool just removed<br>
+&gt; the existing sources and always failed to add new ones).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Bye<br>
+<br>
+I used easyurpmi for a while, mainly to add PLF sources, or to specify a<br>
+specific mirror when there was some mirroring problems in MDV (hdlist<br>
+not synced with repository content for instance).<br>
+<br>
+As noted previously, the PLF issue does not hold for MGA.<br>
+<br>
+It is probably worth improving the way the current media manager is<br>
+working than add yet another tool to the distrib.<br>
+<br>
+We could have for instance checkboxes when importing media sources with:<br>
+<br>
+- select mirror: by default let the media manager find a mirror for you,<br>
+else select one in a list<br>
+- include tainted: by default disable access to tainted repository. Warn<br>
+the user about the content of those repositories.<br>
+<br>
+The main point is that people often do not know about the media manager.<br>
+Maybe a button to that tool directly in the update app would give it<br>
+more visibility, instead of looking into it on the package manager menu.<br>
+Or maybe it should be an app on its own.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Daniel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>Well, it is &quot;an app on its own&quot;, just look at Mageia Control Center.</div><div><br></div>
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+<br>2011/5/22 Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span><br><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br></div>
+Would it be worth the while to draft a short Mdva 2010.2-to-Mageia1 migration memo (enumerating known problems, listing hardware where an update-install is not recommended; from my experience: suggest that customized<br>
+
+kde user-environments might be re-done using &quot;mv .kde4 sv_kde4)?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think this is an good idea.</div><div>I think an other problem is the replacement of the proprietary drivers (I had a prob with nvidia96)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Another point the the automatic for setting the repos.</div><div><br></div><div>Normally I install first from dvd, reboot, add repos and the do the update.</div><div>This seems not good for the upgrade.</div>
+<div>Because without updating during the upgrade there are no repos set (only cd-rom)</div><div><br></div><div>The repos should be set independent from update during installation.</div><div><br></div><div>What hapens with plf repos? (I think each normal system has them)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The routine for setting the repos should look for plf and then activate tainted.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps generate an automatic &quot;urpmi -qa | mdv /plf)&quot; to get a standard file for missing packages.</div>
+<div>So everyone can send it to <a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>In the evening a will test an upgrage of an komplete 2010.2 (with plf, some muldimedia stuff, proprietary GeForce) on an KDE x86_64 system.</div>
+<div>I think rather near by an enviroments of an simple user.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br></div>
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+<br>2011/5/22 Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:Juergen.Harms@unige.ch">Juergen.Harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span><br><div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br></div>
+Would it be worth the while to draft a short Mdva 2010.2-to-Mageia1 migration memo (enumerating known problems, listing hardware where an update-install is not recommended; from my experience: suggest that customized<br>
+
+kde user-environments might be re-done using &quot;mv .kde4 sv_kde4)?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think this is an good idea.</div><div>I think an other problem is the replacement of the proprietary drivers (I had a prob with nvidia96)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Another point the the automatic for setting the repos.</div><div><br></div><div>Normally I install first from dvd, reboot, add repos and the do the update.</div><div>This seems not good for the upgrade.</div>
+<div>Because without updating during the upgrade there are no repos set (only cd-rom)</div><div><br></div><div>The repos should be set independent from update during installation.</div><div><br></div><div>What hapens with plf repos? (I think each normal system has them)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>The routine for setting the repos should look for plf and then activate tainted.</div><div><br></div><div>Perhaps generate an automatic &quot;urpmi -qa | mdv /plf)&quot; to get a standard file for missing packages.</div>
+<div>So everyone can send it to <a href="http://mageia.org">mageia.org</a>.</div><div><br></div><div>In the evening a will test an upgrage of an komplete 2010.2 (with plf, some muldimedia stuff, proprietary GeForce) on an KDE x86_64 system.</div>
+<div>I think rather near by an enviroments of an simple user.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br></div>
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+I have been testing Banshee on Ubuntu 11.04 for now. A must have of a music player i will use is the ability to play music from <a href="http://last.fm">last.fm</a> and co.<br>Banshee has a plugin for that, but it isn&#39;t able to play music right now (or not as good as rhythmbox does). So for me, i will stay at rhythmbox because it does anything i need.<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>D. Kreuter<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Dexter Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Well, a poll will not be representative of anything.<br>
+&gt; The question should better be suited in &quot;what feature are present that<br>
+&gt; would requires a switch&quot;, and &quot;what would it change in term of<br>
+&gt; ressources&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+</div>yes too, as i don&#39;t know the 2 softwares i can&#39;t answer to this.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Using banshee by default would pull mono on the livecd, and while I have<br>
+&gt; nothing against mono by itself, it would take 20 mo of space that would<br>
+&gt; have to be freed.<br>
+<br>
+</div>yes you find an important criteria here.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+I have been testing Banshee on Ubuntu 11.04 for now. A must have of a music player i will use is the ability to play music from <a href="http://last.fm">last.fm</a> and co.<br>Banshee has a plugin for that, but it isn&#39;t able to play music right now (or not as good as rhythmbox does). So for me, i will stay at rhythmbox because it does anything i need.<br>
+<br>Greetings<br><br>D. Kreuter<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Dexter Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im">On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Michael Scherer &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Well, a poll will not be representative of anything.<br>
+&gt; The question should better be suited in &quot;what feature are present that<br>
+&gt; would requires a switch&quot;, and &quot;what would it change in term of<br>
+&gt; ressources&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+</div>yes too, as i don&#39;t know the 2 softwares i can&#39;t answer to this.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Using banshee by default would pull mono on the livecd, and while I have<br>
+&gt; nothing against mono by itself, it would take 20 mo of space that would<br>
+&gt; have to be freed.<br>
+<br>
+</div>yes you find an important criteria here.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi there!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Webteam desperately needs some help from you!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What we do need is some screenshots from Mageia, to be more exactly here are the specifications:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Format: png 4/3 and 16/9</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Screens are needed of:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- boot screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- login screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- desktop (empty) for KDE, GNOME and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- anything else you find interesting for future Mageia users.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It would be great if you could put them online somewhere (picasa, flickr,...) and send us the links to the mailing lists.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Waiting for them desparately in the remaining days until release,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi there!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Webteam desperately needs some help from you!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What we do need is some screenshots from Mageia, to be more exactly here are the specifications:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Format: png 4/3 and 16/9</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Screens are needed of:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- boot screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- login screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- desktop (empty) for KDE, GNOME and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- anything else you find interesting for future Mageia users.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It would be great if you could put them online somewhere (picasa, flickr,...) and send us the links to the mailing lists.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Waiting for them desparately in the remaining days until release,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Michael Scherer &lt;misc@zarb.org&gt; schrieb am 30.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Format: png 4/3 and 16/9</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; No limit on size ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">We can do the compression with what we get...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Screens are needed of:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - boot screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - login screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - desktop (empty) for KDE, GNOME and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - anything else you find interesting for future Mageia users.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Default theme, I guess ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Of course!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Michael Scherer &lt;misc@zarb.org&gt; schrieb am 30.05.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Format: png 4/3 and 16/9</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; No limit on size ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">We can do the compression with what we get...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Screens are needed of:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - boot screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - login screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - desktop (empty) for KDE, GNOME and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; - anything else you find interesting for future Mageia users.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Default theme, I guess ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Of course!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi there!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Webteam desperately needs some help from you!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What we do need is some screenshots from Mageia, to be more exactly here are the specifications:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Format: png 4/3 and 16/9</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Screens are needed of:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- boot screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- login screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- desktop (empty) for KDE, GNOME and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- anything else you find interesting for future Mageia users.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It would be great if you could put them online somewhere (picasa, flickr,...) and send us the links to the mailing lists.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Waiting for them desparately in the remaining days until release,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans [unknown]'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi there!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Webteam desperately needs some help from you!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What we do need is some screenshots from Mageia, to be more exactly here are the specifications:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Format: png 4/3 and 16/9</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Screens are needed of:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- boot screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- login screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- desktop (empty) for KDE, GNOME and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- anything else you find interesting for future Mageia users.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It would be great if you could put them online somewhere (picasa, flickr,...) and send us the links to the mailing lists.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Waiting for them desparately in the remaining days until release,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+ons 2011-06-01 klockan 23:51 +0300 skrev Jonathan Dlouhy:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Woohoo! Great work. Can I upgrade from the RC or should I do a clean<br>
+&gt; install?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>If you are using mirror list (meaning you didn&#39;t specify wich mirror to<br>
+use) just install all updates, and it will transfer you to the stable<br>
+Mageia 1 tree<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thanks to the team for this first release. <br>
+I&#39;m seeding the two DVDs at 400 kio/s.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ll try it tomorow on my eeePC901.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>� � �� <br>...::: FuReX :::...<br>� � �� <br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+ons 2011-06-01 klockan 23:51 +0300 skrev Jonathan Dlouhy:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Woohoo! Great work. Can I upgrade from the RC or should I do a clean<br>
+&gt; install?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>If you are using mirror list (meaning you didn&#39;t specify wich mirror to<br>
+use) just install all updates, and it will transfer you to the stable<br>
+Mageia 1 tree<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Thanks to the team for this first release. <br>
+I&#39;m seeding the two DVDs at 400 kio/s.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ll try it tomorow on my eeePC901.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>� � �� <br>...::: FuReX :::...<br>� � �� <br>
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+<p>Its a beautiful release guys. And it was an easy upgrade from rc. Im seeding as much as I can. Great work everyone!<br>
+On Jun 1, 2011 4:35 PM, &quot;MacXi - Ideias Linux&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anne Nicolas, <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Congratulations for the important work of the whole team Mageia.<br>
+&gt; And thanks to everyone who contributed to this important event for free software.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; hugs <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Macxi<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2011/6/1 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Finally release is out and in time!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I<br>
+&gt;&gt; guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers,<br>
+&gt;&gt; artwork) can be proud of this final release.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but<br>
+&gt;&gt; at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some links for more information<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/">http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+<p>Its a beautiful release guys. And it was an easy upgrade from rc. Im seeding as much as I can. Great work everyone!<br>
+On Jun 1, 2011 4:35 PM, &quot;MacXi - Ideias Linux&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anne Nicolas, <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Congratulations for the important work of the whole team Mageia.<br>
+&gt; And thanks to everyone who contributed to this important event for free software.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; hugs <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Macxi<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2011/6/1 Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Finally release is out and in time!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I<br>
+&gt;&gt; guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers,<br>
+&gt;&gt; artwork) can be proud of this final release.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but<br>
+&gt;&gt; at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some links for more information<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/">http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :)<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+Anne Nicolas, <br><br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Congratulations</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">for the important</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">work</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">of the whole</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">team</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"> Mageia.<br>
+</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps"></span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">And thanks to</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">everyone</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">who contributed</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">to</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">this important</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">event</span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps"> for</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">free software</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"></span></span><br>
+<br>hugs <br><br>Macxi<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi all<br>
+<br>
+Finally release is out and in time!<br>
+<br>
+First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I<br>
+guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers,<br>
+artwork) can be proud of this final release.<br>
+Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but<br>
+at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users.<br>
+<br>
+Some links for more information<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/</a><br>
+<br>
+Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :)<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Anne Nicolas, <br><br><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">Congratulations</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">for the important</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">work</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">of the whole</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">team</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"> Mageia.<br>
+</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps"></span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">And thanks to</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">everyone</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">who contributed</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">to</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">this important</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">event</span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps"> for</span> <span title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas" class="hps">free software</span><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas">.</span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="" title="Clique para mostrar tradu��es alternativas"></span></span><br>
+<br>hugs <br><br>Macxi<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi all<br>
+<br>
+Finally release is out and in time!<br>
+<br>
+First of all thanks all for the hard work during these 8 months. I<br>
+guess Mageia community (packagers, admins, translators, testers,<br>
+artwork) can be proud of this final release.<br>
+Still some improvments are needed in different part of the project but<br>
+at leat Mageia distribution is out and ready for final users.<br>
+<br>
+Some links for more information<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2011/06/01/mageia-1/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/" target="_blank">http://mageia.org/en/1/notes/</a><br>
+<br>
+Enjoy this release and see you for Mageia 2 :)<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Bonjour au mageia team,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>j'ai fais une mise � jour depuis la mandriva 2010.2 sans aucun probl�me :-)</span></div><div><span>F�licitations !!! C'est un gros challenge que de se lancer dans l'aventure et de ne pas d�cevoir.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Vivement mageia 2 </span><img src="http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/54.gif" alt=":-c Appelle-moi"></div><div><br></div><div>Bon courage</div><div>Amicalement<br></div><br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Bonjour au mageia team,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>j'ai fais une mise � jour depuis la mandriva 2010.2 sans aucun probl�me :-)</span></div><div><span>F�licitations !!! C'est un gros challenge que de se lancer dans l'aventure et de ne pas d�cevoir.</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Vivement mageia 2 </span><img src="http://mail.yimg.com/ok/u/assets/img/emoticons/54.gif" alt=":-c Appelle-moi"></div><div><br></div><div>Bon courage</div><div>Amicalement<br></div><br><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div></div></body></html>
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+I have been avoiding using Mandriva for several years, after having been a die hard Mandrake fan since Mandrake 5.1. This was mostly due to the way things were done. I tried everything but wasnt satisfied with the other distros for some reason or another. When I heard that you guys forked the distro to Mageia i installed it and now feel like i am back home again. Like the old Mandrake, Mageia is something magical. Great job all.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Florentin Garnier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:florentingarnier@gmail.com">florentingarnier@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Great jobs i&#39;m following you for my server.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Florentin Garnier<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+I have been avoiding using Mandriva for several years, after having been a die hard Mandrake fan since Mandrake 5.1. This was mostly due to the way things were done. I tried everything but wasnt satisfied with the other distros for some reason or another. When I heard that you guys forked the distro to Mageia i installed it and now feel like i am back home again. Like the old Mandrake, Mageia is something magical. Great job all.<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Florentin Garnier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:florentingarnier@gmail.com">florentingarnier@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Great jobs i&#39;m following you for my server.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Florentin Garnier<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Kristoffer Grundstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011-06-01 11:50, Michael Scherer skrev:<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le mercredi 01 juin 2011 � 11:06 +0200, Kristoffer Grundstr�m a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I&#39;m fully aware of that we&#39;re releasing Mageia 1 now&amp; �since Mandriva<br>
+(that we forked from) has got a HCL, aren&#39;t we going to have it as well?<br>
+</blockquote>
+Nothing is planned so far.<br>
+<br>
+In order to have it, we should :<br>
+- define what is the need ( if possible, explain why this isn&#39;t covered<br>
+by existing shared initiatives such as <a href="http://smolt.org" target="_blank">smolt.org</a>, hardware4linux, etc,<br>
+etc )<br>
+- find a software for that, wit the usual criteria ( free, packaged, not<br>
+a pain to maintain, without catastrophic security record, among other )<br>
+- create a package if it doesn&#39;t exist, have it uploaded<br>
+- setup a puppet module for that<br>
+- deploy it<br>
+<br>
+As the first question do not requires any specific technical skill, I<br>
+guess anybody can answer :<br>
+&quot;what is the exact need that is not fulfilled by existing system&quot;<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+My need is to do the same as with the Mandriva-HCL. To install Mageia on any computer &amp; tell users if Mageia works well on it on not.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Well, hwreport for <a href="http://hardware4linux.org">http://hardware4linux.org</a> and smolts for <a href="http://smolts.org">http://smolts.org</a> can be made available in Mageia on client-side (re-using existing server-side).</div>
+<div>See�<a href="http://hardware4linux.info/distrib/44407/">http://hardware4linux.info/distrib/44407/</a> :-)�</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve some use-cases at��<a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/TestingMageia1HCL">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/TestingMageia1HCL</a> and�<a href="http://faq.tuxfamily.org/CommunicationLibreHardware/En">http://faq.tuxfamily.org/CommunicationLibreHardware/En</a> feel free to add your own use-cases (those are wiki pages).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+Re,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/1 Kristoffer Grundstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011-06-01 11:50, Michael Scherer skrev:<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le mercredi 01 juin 2011 � 11:06 +0200, Kristoffer Grundstr�m a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I&#39;m fully aware of that we&#39;re releasing Mageia 1 now&amp; �since Mandriva<br>
+(that we forked from) has got a HCL, aren&#39;t we going to have it as well?<br>
+</blockquote>
+Nothing is planned so far.<br>
+<br>
+In order to have it, we should :<br>
+- define what is the need ( if possible, explain why this isn&#39;t covered<br>
+by existing shared initiatives such as <a href="http://smolt.org" target="_blank">smolt.org</a>, hardware4linux, etc,<br>
+etc )<br>
+- find a software for that, wit the usual criteria ( free, packaged, not<br>
+a pain to maintain, without catastrophic security record, among other )<br>
+- create a package if it doesn&#39;t exist, have it uploaded<br>
+- setup a puppet module for that<br>
+- deploy it<br>
+<br>
+As the first question do not requires any specific technical skill, I<br>
+guess anybody can answer :<br>
+&quot;what is the exact need that is not fulfilled by existing system&quot;<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+My need is to do the same as with the Mandriva-HCL. To install Mageia on any computer &amp; tell users if Mageia works well on it on not.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>Well, hwreport for <a href="http://hardware4linux.org">http://hardware4linux.org</a> and smolts for <a href="http://smolts.org">http://smolts.org</a> can be made available in Mageia on client-side (re-using existing server-side).</div>
+<div>See�<a href="http://hardware4linux.info/distrib/44407/">http://hardware4linux.info/distrib/44407/</a> :-)�</div><div><br></div><div>I&#39;ve some use-cases at��<a href="http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/TestingMageia1HCL">http://mageiacauldron.tuxfamily.org/TestingMageia1HCL</a> and�<a href="http://faq.tuxfamily.org/CommunicationLibreHardware/En">http://faq.tuxfamily.org/CommunicationLibreHardware/En</a> feel free to add your own use-cases (those are wiki pages).</div>
+<div><br></div><div>@++</div><div>Ben&#39;. aka baud123</div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Hi,<br>
+    <br>
+    The following packages :<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>libopenmotif-devel</li>
+      <li>libopenmotif4</li>
+      <li>openmotif</li>
+    </ul>
+    are not available within Mageia packages while they are in Mandriva
+    ones.<br>
+    Is it possible to add them, as I need them for my nedit text editor.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks.<br>
+    <br>
+    Xuo.<br>
+    <br>
+    PS : I prefer not to use lesstif libraries.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Hi,<br>
+    <br>
+    The following packages :<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>libopenmotif-devel</li>
+      <li>libopenmotif4</li>
+      <li>openmotif</li>
+    </ul>
+    are not available within Mageia packages while they are in Mandriva
+    ones.<br>
+    Is it possible to add them, as I need them for my nedit text editor.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks.<br>
+    <br>
+    Xuo.<br>
+    <br>
+    PS : I prefer not to use lesstif libraries.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+My ISP gets hinky about torrents now so I hit and ran. My ratio was .005<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Chopin S�bastien <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:contact@sebastienchopin.fr">contact@sebastienchopin.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hello!<br>
+<br>
+Yes! i&#39;ve reach the ration 1.0 into Gnome-Europe1 torrent with Deluge! Please, meet with another Mageia !<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+S�bastien<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>____________<br>ARS KC6KGE 3.975 146.550<br>Steven L Hess<br>661 765 6456<br>Skype user name flamebait <br>Google Voice works well. 100% Linux. <br><br>
+</div>
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+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hello!<br>
+<br>
+Yes! i&#39;ve reach the ration 1.0 into Gnome-Europe1 torrent with Deluge! Please, meet with another Mageia !<br><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+S�bastien<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>____________<br>ARS KC6KGE 3.975 146.550<br>Steven L Hess<br>661 765 6456<br>Skype user name flamebait <br>Google Voice works well. 100% Linux. <br><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Doug Laidlaw &lt;laidlaws@hotkey.net.au&gt; schrieb am 04.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Why upgrade?  Only so that the DVD is the basis of the system.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't understand what you are doing... What do you mean by the DVD being the absis of the system?</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Doug Laidlaw &lt;laidlaws@hotkey.net.au&gt; schrieb am 04.06.2011</p>
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+<p>Mine are: kde europe 1 at 4.82 and i586 dvd at 4.40 between the 2 is about 2200 downloads since release!</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 5, 2011 2:33 PM, &quot;Chopin S�bastien&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:contact@sebastienchopin.fr">contact@sebastienchopin.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; Le 04/06/2011 01:11, Chopin S�bastien a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Yes! i&#39;ve reach the ration 1.0 into Gnome-Europe1 torrent with Deluge! <br>&gt;&gt; Please, meet with another Mageia !<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; S�bastien<br>&gt; I&#39;ve 4 torrents up to ration 1.0 :<br>
+&gt; -DVD 32bits : 1.4<br>&gt; -DVD 64bits : 1.4<br>&gt; -LiveCD Gnome Europe1 : 1.4<br>&gt; -LiveCD KDE4 Europe1 : 1.2<br>&gt; <br>&gt; S�bastien<br></div>
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+<p>Mine are: kde europe 1 at 4.82 and i586 dvd at 4.40 between the 2 is about 2200 downloads since release!</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 5, 2011 2:33 PM, &quot;Chopin S�bastien&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:contact@sebastienchopin.fr">contact@sebastienchopin.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; Le 04/06/2011 01:11, Chopin S�bastien a �crit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hello!<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Yes! i&#39;ve reach the ration 1.0 into Gnome-Europe1 torrent with Deluge! <br>&gt;&gt; Please, meet with another Mageia !<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; S�bastien<br>&gt; I&#39;ve 4 torrents up to ration 1.0 :<br>
+&gt; -DVD 32bits : 1.4<br>&gt; -DVD 64bits : 1.4<br>&gt; -LiveCD Gnome Europe1 : 1.4<br>&gt; -LiveCD KDE4 Europe1 : 1.2<br>&gt; <br>&gt; S�bastien<br></div>
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+Hello all,<br><br>I like the idea of a dedicated support ml for users. Ubuntu is using such lists and it is very well used even there exists irc and forums as well.<br><br>So why shouldn&#39;t we try something like that? If it&#39;s not used we can delete the list and use the forums instead.<br>
+<br>Like already mentioned the users should decide which kind of medium to use to ask their questions.<br><br>So far<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:36 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Marc Par� a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Hi Remco<br>
+<br>
+Le 2011-06-05 05:39, Remco Rijnders a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 10:27:56PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+But back to the initial topic:<br>
+<br>
+The issue here is the request to have another list which covers<br>
+exactly what the forums are made for. Is this really necessary and -<br>
+the main question - would this list have a chance to be living along a<br>
+forum? Mind that a users support list would NOT be the same as this<br>
+list here, you can&#39;t judge what would happen in a user support list by<br>
+looking who is posting here in this list!<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Who knows what will happen? Will Mageia succeed as a distribution? Who<br>
+knows. You won&#39;t know for certain till you&#39;ve tried it. There is no<br>
+guarantee a mailing list set up for this purpose will fail, nor is there<br>
+that it won&#39;t.<br>
+<br>
+Some of the feedback I received so far seems to give arguments in favour<br>
+of a mailing list and then draws the opposite conclusion that a mailing<br>
+list won&#39;t be needed.<br>
+<br>
+Other feedback indicates this list *is* / *isn&#39;t* the appropiate place<br>
+for user questions, and despite the opposing view points both conclude<br>
+that there is no need for a mageia-user@ list.<br>
+<br>
+What I can conclude from the discussion of the past few days is that<br>
+despite support from several people for the creation of such a list,<br>
+that there is as much or more opposition to it for a variety of reasons<br>
+(most which I personally disagree with). As such, it seems unlikely that<br>
+such a list will officially be set up in the near future.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ll personally let the subject rest for now and will reevaluate the<br>
+compatibility between my views and ideas for Mageia with that of the<br>
+founders. Apologies should anyone feel I have wasted their time bringing<br>
+this up.<br>
+<br>
+Sincerely,<br>
+<br>
+Remco<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Not wasting our time. �You had something to discuss.<br>
+And don&#39;t hesitate to bring your support problems here, or on the forum. :)<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+As I have come into the discussion at a very late date, I would like to<br>
+express my point of view as well FOR a &quot;user support list&quot;. We should<br>
+provide to all users a variety of ways by which they are able to<br>
+communicate problems with the Mageia team. IMO it seems defeatist to<br>
+remove one of the most logical tools known to the internet community<br>
+where they could seek communication with a support team.<br>
+<br>
+As we all know by now, such a support list can easily be bridged to a a<br>
+forums board where any of the Mageia support team members would be<br>
+available to help trouble-shoot events causing frustration to our user<br>
+base.<br>
+<br>
+It does not make any sense to cut off any avenues of communication for<br>
+our user base when we are looking for growth of our product. If we do<br>
+so, the we can not complain later of of user apathy if users cannot<br>
+easily find a communication model by which they feel comfortable to<br>
+voice their satisfaction, positive or negative.<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s make it easy for all to speak to us rather than have them conform<br>
+to a system where they may feel uncomfortable. They will only go to<br>
+another platform where they will be able to participate freely. Let&#39;s<br>
+offer choice rather than limits.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Salut Marc<br>
+Actually most of the arguments here were against a _separate_ user support list.<br>
+So far, the discussion list has been used regularly for user support, and apparently with a fairly good response. �It makes sense, as there is considerable overlap. �Often a support problem is closely related to discussion of what should happen. �And those interested in discussion are generally very willing to help if they can.<br>
+
+<br>
+If you look at the Mandriva experience, the user support by email has reduced considerably over the years as their forum has become more active. �(I was a Mandriva user almost from the beginning.)<br>
+There, as with Mageia, support also occurs on both the discussion and development lists.<br>
+<br>
+As far as the idea of replicating forum and mailing list input, that could well come. �But since Mageia is still fairly early in the building stage, we don&#39;t yet have the resources to do everything we might like to do, if we collectively decide to do that.<br>
+
+<br>
+Anyway, of course everyone&#39;s input is welcome.<br>
+(And you don&#39;t need to apologize, obviously your input is well intended.)<br>
+<br>
+Take care :)<br><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Andr�<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Hello all,<br><br>I like the idea of a dedicated support ml for users. Ubuntu is using such lists and it is very well used even there exists irc and forums as well.<br><br>So why shouldn&#39;t we try something like that? If it&#39;s not used we can delete the list and use the forums instead.<br>
+<br>Like already mentioned the users should decide which kind of medium to use to ask their questions.<br><br>So far<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 8:36 AM, andre999 <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andr55@laposte.net">andr55@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Marc Par� a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Hi Remco<br>
+<br>
+Le 2011-06-05 05:39, Remco Rijnders a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 10:27:56PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+But back to the initial topic:<br>
+<br>
+The issue here is the request to have another list which covers<br>
+exactly what the forums are made for. Is this really necessary and -<br>
+the main question - would this list have a chance to be living along a<br>
+forum? Mind that a users support list would NOT be the same as this<br>
+list here, you can&#39;t judge what would happen in a user support list by<br>
+looking who is posting here in this list!<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Who knows what will happen? Will Mageia succeed as a distribution? Who<br>
+knows. You won&#39;t know for certain till you&#39;ve tried it. There is no<br>
+guarantee a mailing list set up for this purpose will fail, nor is there<br>
+that it won&#39;t.<br>
+<br>
+Some of the feedback I received so far seems to give arguments in favour<br>
+of a mailing list and then draws the opposite conclusion that a mailing<br>
+list won&#39;t be needed.<br>
+<br>
+Other feedback indicates this list *is* / *isn&#39;t* the appropiate place<br>
+for user questions, and despite the opposing view points both conclude<br>
+that there is no need for a mageia-user@ list.<br>
+<br>
+What I can conclude from the discussion of the past few days is that<br>
+despite support from several people for the creation of such a list,<br>
+that there is as much or more opposition to it for a variety of reasons<br>
+(most which I personally disagree with). As such, it seems unlikely that<br>
+such a list will officially be set up in the near future.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ll personally let the subject rest for now and will reevaluate the<br>
+compatibility between my views and ideas for Mageia with that of the<br>
+founders. Apologies should anyone feel I have wasted their time bringing<br>
+this up.<br>
+<br>
+Sincerely,<br>
+<br>
+Remco<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Not wasting our time. �You had something to discuss.<br>
+And don&#39;t hesitate to bring your support problems here, or on the forum. :)<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+As I have come into the discussion at a very late date, I would like to<br>
+express my point of view as well FOR a &quot;user support list&quot;. We should<br>
+provide to all users a variety of ways by which they are able to<br>
+communicate problems with the Mageia team. IMO it seems defeatist to<br>
+remove one of the most logical tools known to the internet community<br>
+where they could seek communication with a support team.<br>
+<br>
+As we all know by now, such a support list can easily be bridged to a a<br>
+forums board where any of the Mageia support team members would be<br>
+available to help trouble-shoot events causing frustration to our user<br>
+base.<br>
+<br>
+It does not make any sense to cut off any avenues of communication for<br>
+our user base when we are looking for growth of our product. If we do<br>
+so, the we can not complain later of of user apathy if users cannot<br>
+easily find a communication model by which they feel comfortable to<br>
+voice their satisfaction, positive or negative.<br>
+<br>
+Let&#39;s make it easy for all to speak to us rather than have them conform<br>
+to a system where they may feel uncomfortable. They will only go to<br>
+another platform where they will be able to participate freely. Let&#39;s<br>
+offer choice rather than limits.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<br>
+Marc<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Salut Marc<br>
+Actually most of the arguments here were against a _separate_ user support list.<br>
+So far, the discussion list has been used regularly for user support, and apparently with a fairly good response. �It makes sense, as there is considerable overlap. �Often a support problem is closely related to discussion of what should happen. �And those interested in discussion are generally very willing to help if they can.<br>
+
+<br>
+If you look at the Mandriva experience, the user support by email has reduced considerably over the years as their forum has become more active. �(I was a Mandriva user almost from the beginning.)<br>
+There, as with Mageia, support also occurs on both the discussion and development lists.<br>
+<br>
+As far as the idea of replicating forum and mailing list input, that could well come. �But since Mageia is still fairly early in the building stage, we don&#39;t yet have the resources to do everything we might like to do, if we collectively decide to do that.<br>
+
+<br>
+Anyway, of course everyone&#39;s input is welcome.<br>
+(And you don&#39;t need to apologize, obviously your input is well intended.)<br>
+<br>
+Take care :)<br><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Andr�<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Hello all,<br><br>is it possible to use Gnome3 instead of 2.32? Is there something already in the repositories or do i need to compile all packages on my own?<br><br>I&#39;m thinking to switch from Fedora 15 to Mageia on my notebook because Fedora needs too much time to boot up.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Hello all,<br><br>is it possible to use Gnome3 instead of 2.32? Is there something already in the repositories or do i need to compile all packages on my own?<br><br>I&#39;m thinking to switch from Fedora 15 to Mageia on my notebook because Fedora needs too much time to boot up.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="background-color: transparent; margin-top: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: 0px; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: medium; ">
+<br id="internal-source-marker_0.7110635212156922"><span id="internal-source-marker_0.7110635212156922" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Mageia salutation night in Tallinn</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; "></span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">On Saturday, June 4th, almost dozen people were celebrating the very first release of Mageia in Tallinn, Estonia. Cosy cafe </span><a href="http://www.mosaiikcafe.ee/"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Mosaiik</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; "> provided us with big screen for demonstrations and some food and a great cream cake specially made for this (see the picture </span><a href="http://mageia.planet.ee/2011/06/mageia-avapeol/"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">here</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">).</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">As planned, most important part of the meeting was install fest. That was total sucess; we did update from Mandriva 2010.0, did install from Live CD and did clean install, all without problem. Alright, there were some problems but nothing to do with Mageia - Wi-Fi network we used was quite unstable causing minor troubles.</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Most people attending were profound Mandriva and Mageia users but there were some knowing both of them just by name (or, in case of Mandriva/Mandrake, by distant memory). They were positively surprised the infant distribution was so perfect.</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">We had planned also to create Estonian Mageia Users Group but, though there was some talk about it, it didn�t happen yet. Maybe sometimes later... We all hope Mageia would win more followers in Estonia as it�s profoundly localized and even provides the package task-esteid which is just essential in Estonia due to our �omnipotential� and almost ubiquitous electronic ID card.</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">You may see a </span><a href="http://mageia.planet.ee/2011/06/mageia-avapeol/"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">group photo </span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">in Estonian website specially dedicated to Mageia (as the site is all Estonian, you may need awfully clumsy but still understandable </span><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=et&amp;sl=et&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fmageia.planet.ee%2F2011%2F06%2Fmageia-avapeol%2F"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Google Translate�s translation</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">)</span></div>
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+<meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div style="background-color: transparent; margin-top: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-right: 0px; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; font-size: medium; ">
+<br id="internal-source-marker_0.7110635212156922"><span id="internal-source-marker_0.7110635212156922" style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Mageia salutation night in Tallinn</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; "></span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">On Saturday, June 4th, almost dozen people were celebrating the very first release of Mageia in Tallinn, Estonia. Cosy cafe </span><a href="http://www.mosaiikcafe.ee/"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Mosaiik</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; "> provided us with big screen for demonstrations and some food and a great cream cake specially made for this (see the picture </span><a href="http://mageia.planet.ee/2011/06/mageia-avapeol/"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">here</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">).</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">As planned, most important part of the meeting was install fest. That was total sucess; we did update from Mandriva 2010.0, did install from Live CD and did clean install, all without problem. Alright, there were some problems but nothing to do with Mageia - Wi-Fi network we used was quite unstable causing minor troubles.</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Most people attending were profound Mandriva and Mageia users but there were some knowing both of them just by name (or, in case of Mandriva/Mandrake, by distant memory). They were positively surprised the infant distribution was so perfect.</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">We had planned also to create Estonian Mageia Users Group but, though there was some talk about it, it didn�t happen yet. Maybe sometimes later... We all hope Mageia would win more followers in Estonia as it�s profoundly localized and even provides the package task-esteid which is just essential in Estonia due to our �omnipotential� and almost ubiquitous electronic ID card.</span><br>
+<span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">You may see a </span><a href="http://mageia.planet.ee/2011/06/mageia-avapeol/"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">group photo </span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">in Estonian website specially dedicated to Mageia (as the site is all Estonian, you may need awfully clumsy but still understandable </span><a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=et&amp;sl=et&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fmageia.planet.ee%2F2011%2F06%2Fmageia-avapeol%2F"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 153); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: underline; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">Google Translate�s translation</span></a><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: &#39;Times New Roman&#39;; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; vertical-align: baseline; white-space: pre-wrap; ">)</span></div>
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+    Le 07/06/2011 10:00, Olav Vitters a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20110607080033.GA5019@bkor.dhs.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:48:55AM +0200, Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">On the other hand, I'd like to still have the possibility to keep
+and install Gnome 2.xx in the future, as Gnome 3 isn't both stable
+and reliable and complete yet.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+GNOME 2.x is not needed, there is the fallback mode in GNOME3; it'll
+give you a gnome-panel and so on. The default layout looks like
+GNOME-shell, but it just is a newer gnome-panel.
+
+Regarding GNOME 3 not being reliable, can you reference some bugreports?
+This as I don't see any huge problems, especially not for a .0 release.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans"><br>
+      The falback mode still relies qui a lot on Gnome 3. I concede I
+      need to do some more testing on a longer period of time, but on
+      the two computer using a SuSE based system running Gnome 3, I had
+      quite a lot numerous visual issues and got one program crashing.
+      But some time has passed and there were probably updates so I need
+      to retest. <br>
+      <br>
+      But looking at the available environments, I'm thinking that in
+      case some people really can't handle Gnome 3, there is actually
+      Xfce that can be a good fallback. I'm not sure there are enough
+      people for maintaining Gnome 2.32 for six extra months. I am
+      simply cautions about releases that may not be really polished and
+      stable. <br>
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+    Le 07/06/2011 10:00, Olav Vitters a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:20110607080033.GA5019@bkor.dhs.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:48:55AM +0200, Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <pre wrap="">On the other hand, I'd like to still have the possibility to keep
+and install Gnome 2.xx in the future, as Gnome 3 isn't both stable
+and reliable and complete yet.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">
+GNOME 2.x is not needed, there is the fallback mode in GNOME3; it'll
+give you a gnome-panel and so on. The default layout looks like
+GNOME-shell, but it just is a newer gnome-panel.
+
+Regarding GNOME 3 not being reliable, can you reference some bugreports?
+This as I don't see any huge problems, especially not for a .0 release.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans"><br>
+      The falback mode still relies qui a lot on Gnome 3. I concede I
+      need to do some more testing on a longer period of time, but on
+      the two computer using a SuSE based system running Gnome 3, I had
+      quite a lot numerous visual issues and got one program crashing.
+      But some time has passed and there were probably updates so I need
+      to retest. <br>
+      <br>
+      But looking at the available environments, I'm thinking that in
+      case some people really can't handle Gnome 3, there is actually
+      Xfce that can be a good fallback. I'm not sure there are enough
+      people for maintaining Gnome 2.32 for six extra months. I am
+      simply cautions about releases that may not be really polished and
+      stable. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/7 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:48:55AM +0200, Thomas Lottmann wrote:<br>
+&gt; On the other hand, I&#39;d like to still have the possibility to keep<br>
+&gt; and install Gnome 2.xx in the future, as Gnome 3 isn&#39;t both stable<br>
+&gt; and reliable and complete yet.<br>
+<br>
+GNOME 2.x is not needed, there is the fallback mode in GNOME3; it&#39;ll<br>
+give you a gnome-panel and so on. The default layout looks like<br>
+GNOME-shell, but it just is a newer gnome-panel.<br></blockquote></div>Fallback mode would be killed someday....<br><br>I don&#39;t think that a good statement to argue that GNOME3 can replace<br><br>GNOME2.<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/7 Olav Vitters <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Mon, Jun 06, 2011 at 10:48:55AM +0200, Thomas Lottmann wrote:<br>
+&gt; On the other hand, I&#39;d like to still have the possibility to keep<br>
+&gt; and install Gnome 2.xx in the future, as Gnome 3 isn&#39;t both stable<br>
+&gt; and reliable and complete yet.<br>
+<br>
+GNOME 2.x is not needed, there is the fallback mode in GNOME3; it&#39;ll<br>
+give you a gnome-panel and so on. The default layout looks like<br>
+GNOME-shell, but it just is a newer gnome-panel.<br></blockquote></div>Fallback mode would be killed someday....<br><br>I don&#39;t think that a good statement to argue that GNOME3 can replace<br><br>GNOME2.<br>
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+Until today i was using F15 with Gnome3, now i use Mageia with LXDE, and i like it, looks nice so.<br><br>I&#39;m not a packager, yet, so i am not able to maintain gnome3 for mageia.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM, philippe makowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:makowski.mageia@gmail.com">makowski.mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">2011/6/7 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Personally, I am not convinced Gnome 3 is good yet, essentially in terms of<br>
+&gt; productivity. So it is not only because of some technical issues that may<br>
+&gt; appear more or less randomly, but also because of the concept of Gnome 3<br>
+&gt; itself. But this is very subjective<br>
+</div>yes very<br>
+<br>
+Before the storm and lightning damage my main computer, I was using<br>
+F15 with Gnome 3<br>
+and I like it<br>
+<br>
+now I have a box under Mageia, and I miss Gnome 3 ;)<br>
+<br>
+but I like Mageia of course<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Until today i was using F15 with Gnome3, now i use Mageia with LXDE, and i like it, looks nice so.<br><br>I&#39;m not a packager, yet, so i am not able to maintain gnome3 for mageia.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 7:18 PM, philippe makowski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:makowski.mageia@gmail.com">makowski.mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">2011/6/7 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Personally, I am not convinced Gnome 3 is good yet, essentially in terms of<br>
+&gt; productivity. So it is not only because of some technical issues that may<br>
+&gt; appear more or less randomly, but also because of the concept of Gnome 3<br>
+&gt; itself. But this is very subjective<br>
+</div>yes very<br>
+<br>
+Before the storm and lightning damage my main computer, I was using<br>
+F15 with Gnome 3<br>
+and I like it<br>
+<br>
+now I have a box under Mageia, and I miss Gnome 3 ;)<br>
+<br>
+but I like Mageia of course<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+It really should be starting on sector 2048 (1MiByte boundary).� This ensures that the partitions will be optimal for 4KiByte sector drives and future drives that have sectors sizes all of the way up to 1MiByte.� <br>I believe this is the default for Parted and I know it is the default for gParted.� The menu option is &quot;optimal&quot; in Parted.<br>
+<br>Starting on sector 63 causes the alignment of the file-system to be off with the alignment of 4KiByte block size disks, which can cause performance issues if the systems has a lot of files smaller than 4KiByte.� If a small file is changed (modified, deleted, copied), then it will require 2 sectors to be modified instead of just one.<br>
+<br>Good source of info:<br>&quot;<a href="http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5655/~/how-to-install-a-wd-advanced-format-drive-on-a-non-windows-operating-system">http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5655/~/how-to-install-a-wd-advanced-format-drive-on-a-non-windows-operating-system</a>&quot;<br>
+<br>--Jeff<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Doug Lytle &lt;support@...&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve purchased a Hitachi 3TB drive that uses 4k sectors.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; When trying to partition using the Mageia diskdrake, it wants to start<br>
+&gt; off on sector 63, instead of 64. �I don&#39;t see an easy way to do this.<br>
+&gt; Any suggestions?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Doug<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>And why not starting at 63? Count is starting at 0!!!<br>
+Exactly the same at my machines.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+It really should be starting on sector 2048 (1MiByte boundary).� This ensures that the partitions will be optimal for 4KiByte sector drives and future drives that have sectors sizes all of the way up to 1MiByte.� <br>I believe this is the default for Parted and I know it is the default for gParted.� The menu option is &quot;optimal&quot; in Parted.<br>
+<br>Starting on sector 63 causes the alignment of the file-system to be off with the alignment of 4KiByte block size disks, which can cause performance issues if the systems has a lot of files smaller than 4KiByte.� If a small file is changed (modified, deleted, copied), then it will require 2 sectors to be modified instead of just one.<br>
+<br>Good source of info:<br>&quot;<a href="http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5655/~/how-to-install-a-wd-advanced-format-drive-on-a-non-windows-operating-system">http://wdc.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5655/~/how-to-install-a-wd-advanced-format-drive-on-a-non-windows-operating-system</a>&quot;<br>
+<br>--Jeff<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 11:04 AM, isadora <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:isis2000@gmail.com">isis2000@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<div class="im">Doug Lytle &lt;support@...&gt; writes:<br>
+<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve purchased a Hitachi 3TB drive that uses 4k sectors.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; When trying to partition using the Mageia diskdrake, it wants to start<br>
+&gt; off on sector 63, instead of 64. �I don&#39;t see an easy way to do this.<br>
+&gt; Any suggestions?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Doug<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>And why not starting at 63? Count is starting at 0!!!<br>
+Exactly the same at my machines.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hello there,<br><br>i wanted to switch to LXDM (I&#39;m using LXDE so this would fit better than GDM). I found a serious problem for normal users at this point.<br>1.) After installing the LXDM Package the installer didn&#39;t ask me, which Login-Manager i want to use per default. I have 2 installed now, so such a dialog would be nice (If i remember right, Ubuntu has such a dialog)<br>
+2) How do i find the source-rpm for LXDM so i can file a bug report for this problem?<br><br>Thanks for now.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+Hello there,<br><br>i wanted to switch to LXDM (I&#39;m using LXDE so this would fit better than GDM). I found a serious problem for normal users at this point.<br>1.) After installing the LXDM Package the installer didn&#39;t ask me, which Login-Manager i want to use per default. I have 2 installed now, so such a dialog would be nice (If i remember right, Ubuntu has such a dialog)<br>
+2) How do i find the source-rpm for LXDM so i can file a bug report for this problem?<br><br>Thanks for now.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Renaud MICHEL <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On jeudi 09 juin 2011 at 11:10, Daniel Kreuter wrote :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; i wanted to switch to LXDM (I&#39;m using LXDE so this would fit better than<br>
+&gt; GDM). I found a serious problem for normal users at this point.<br>
+&gt; 1.) After installing the LXDM Package the installer didn&#39;t ask me, which<br>
+&gt; Login-Manager i want to use per default. I have 2 installed now, so such<br>
+&gt; a dialog would be nice (If i remember right, Ubuntu has such a dialog)<br>
+<br>
+</div>You can do it in drakconf, in &quot;Boot&quot; -&gt; &quot;Set up display manager&quot;, it should<br>
+show you a list of installed DMs from which you can choose the default.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ok this works fine. Didn&#39;t think about this because I&#39;m not quite used to Mageia yet, and I wasn&#39;t a Mandriva User before.�</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">
+&gt; 2) How do i find the source-rpm for LXDM so i can file a bug report for<br>
+&gt; this problem?<br>
+<br>
+</div>$ rpm -qi lxdm<br>
+should show you a field &quot;Source RPM&quot;, but I think an RPM may not show a<br>
+dialog or ask the user for input, all it can do is output some messages, for<br>
+example saying that the user should go to drakconf to change the default DM.<br>
+<br>
+But this is more an advanced user topic, as I think it is unlikely that a<br>
+&quot;normal user&quot; will want to install another DM.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would not say that. You have to expect everything from a &quot;normal user&quot;. So if i install a new Login Manager, f.e. LXDM, and upgrade information would be nice where the user can get a hint where to change the default one.</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Renaud Michel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 5:37 PM, Renaud MICHEL <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:r.h.michel%2Bmageia@gmail.com">r.h.michel+mageia@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On jeudi 09 juin 2011 at 11:10, Daniel Kreuter wrote :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; i wanted to switch to LXDM (I&#39;m using LXDE so this would fit better than<br>
+&gt; GDM). I found a serious problem for normal users at this point.<br>
+&gt; 1.) After installing the LXDM Package the installer didn&#39;t ask me, which<br>
+&gt; Login-Manager i want to use per default. I have 2 installed now, so such<br>
+&gt; a dialog would be nice (If i remember right, Ubuntu has such a dialog)<br>
+<br>
+</div>You can do it in drakconf, in &quot;Boot&quot; -&gt; &quot;Set up display manager&quot;, it should<br>
+show you a list of installed DMs from which you can choose the default.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ok this works fine. Didn&#39;t think about this because I&#39;m not quite used to Mageia yet, and I wasn&#39;t a Mandriva User before.�</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">
+&gt; 2) How do i find the source-rpm for LXDM so i can file a bug report for<br>
+&gt; this problem?<br>
+<br>
+</div>$ rpm -qi lxdm<br>
+should show you a field &quot;Source RPM&quot;, but I think an RPM may not show a<br>
+dialog or ask the user for input, all it can do is output some messages, for<br>
+example saying that the user should go to drakconf to change the default DM.<br>
+<br>
+But this is more an advanced user topic, as I think it is unlikely that a<br>
+&quot;normal user&quot; will want to install another DM.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would not say that. You have to expect everything from a &quot;normal user&quot;. So if i install a new Login Manager, f.e. LXDM, and upgrade information would be nice where the user can get a hint where to change the default one.</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Renaud Michel<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+I think, diskdrake must become more flexibly <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "> for </span>formatierung 4k-drives and ssd.<div><br>
+<div>So I have done a pre-formatting with fdisk for my ssd to get an optimal format </div></div>
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+I think, diskdrake must become more flexibly <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Arial, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "> for </span>formatierung 4k-drives and ssd.<div><br>
+<div>So I have done a pre-formatting with fdisk for my ssd to get an optimal format </div></div>
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+Hello all,<div><br></div><div>I have a question, is it possible to change the default settings of the Desktop Pager Applet of LXDE in Mageia? I find 2 virtual desktops a little bit to low (i need more)<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>
+Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+Hello all,<div><br></div><div>I have a question, is it possible to change the default settings of the Desktop Pager Applet of LXDE in Mageia? I find 2 virtual desktops a little bit to low (i need more)<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>
+Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dick Gevers <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dvgevers@xs4all.nl">dvgevers@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:20:38 +0200, Daniel Kreuter wrote about<br>
+[Mageia-discuss] LXDE Desktop Pager Settings:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;I have a question, is it possible to change the default settings of the<br>
+&gt;Desktop Pager Applet of LXDE in Mageia? I find 2 virtual desktops a little<br>
+&gt;bit to low (i need more)<br>
+<br>
+</div>obconf &gt; desktops<br>
+<br>
+HTH<br>
+mfG<br>
+<font color="#888888">=Dick Gevers=<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br><div>Ok thx. Problem solved.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Dick Gevers <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dvgevers@xs4all.nl">dvgevers@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Fri, 10 Jun 2011 08:20:38 +0200, Daniel Kreuter wrote about<br>
+[Mageia-discuss] LXDE Desktop Pager Settings:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;I have a question, is it possible to change the default settings of the<br>
+&gt;Desktop Pager Applet of LXDE in Mageia? I find 2 virtual desktops a little<br>
+&gt;bit to low (i need more)<br>
+<br>
+</div>obconf &gt; desktops<br>
+<br>
+HTH<br>
+mfG<br>
+<font color="#888888">=Dick Gevers=<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br><div>Ok thx. Problem solved.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
+</div>
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+Dzwonki MP3 na telefon. To sa prawdziwe hity!<br />
+Pobierz &gt;&gt; <a href="http://linkint.pl/f29c2">http://linkint.pl/f29c2</a></td></tr></tbody></table>
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+Dzwonki MP3 na telefon. To sa prawdziwe hity!<br />
+Pobierz &gt;&gt; <a href="http://linkint.pl/f29c2">http://linkint.pl/f29c2</a></td></tr></tbody></table>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one&#39;s switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I don&#39;t recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200 card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time users with no problem. They were happy.<br>
+
+<font color="#888888"></font></blockquote><div><br>In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when i install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc&#39;s and find out how the network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research on the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install special software only needed for one single task)<br>
+<br><br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">Gary<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br>
+If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one&#39;s switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I don&#39;t recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200 card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time users with no problem. They were happy.<br>
+
+<font color="#888888"></font></blockquote><div><br>In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when i install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc&#39;s and find out how the network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research on the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install special software only needed for one single task)<br>
+<br><br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><font color="#888888">Gary<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/11 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Yes, nice review but with flaws.<br>
+<br>
+In my review I will talk about this as well but I will also tell why<br>
+this is so and the simple way for the user to get his drivers.<br>
+<br>
+The advantage of an author who knows about the subject of his review.<br>
+That&#39;s why the German magazine was pleased to have Mandriva users<br>
+write the Mandriva reviews.<br>
+<br>
+As for the non-free issue: I really wonder why this is coming up again<br>
+and again and again. It was decided that we keep the DVD free of<br>
+non-free drivers and that we will have these drivers on the Live<br>
+media. Why has this to be discussed again, nothing has changed in the<br>
+meantime.<br>
+<br>
++1 for Thomas sentence about what we are promoting. I would not be a<br>
+part of all this if we didn&#39;t.<br>
+<font color="#888888">c</font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do agree also. But maybe we have to make some effort to improve our description of available media and why these choice. Eve if this is clear for us it may be not that �clear for others. BTW I did post a comment on the article to explain this. I also answered Beranger onTwitter on same topic. �A great task for our marketing team :)</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/11 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Yes, nice review but with flaws.<br>
+<br>
+In my review I will talk about this as well but I will also tell why<br>
+this is so and the simple way for the user to get his drivers.<br>
+<br>
+The advantage of an author who knows about the subject of his review.<br>
+That&#39;s why the German magazine was pleased to have Mandriva users<br>
+write the Mandriva reviews.<br>
+<br>
+As for the non-free issue: I really wonder why this is coming up again<br>
+and again and again. It was decided that we keep the DVD free of<br>
+non-free drivers and that we will have these drivers on the Live<br>
+media. Why has this to be discussed again, nothing has changed in the<br>
+meantime.<br>
+<br>
++1 for Thomas sentence about what we are promoting. I would not be a<br>
+part of all this if we didn&#39;t.<br>
+<font color="#888888">c</font></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do agree also. But maybe we have to make some effort to improve our description of available media and why these choice. Eve if this is clear for us it may be not that �clear for others. BTW I did post a comment on the article to explain this. I also answered Beranger onTwitter on same topic. �A great task for our marketing team :)</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><font color="#888888">
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
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+<p>I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does it lack this feature?</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 11, 2011 10:16 AM, &quot;Daniel Kreuter&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine &lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt;wrote:<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one&#39;s<br>&gt;&gt; switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not<br>&gt;&gt; even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just<br>
+&gt;&gt; want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I<br>&gt;&gt; don&#39;t recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a<br>&gt;&gt; lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200<br>
+&gt;&gt; card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around<br>&gt;&gt; problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time<br>&gt;&gt; users with no problem. They were happy.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when i<br>&gt; install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have<br>&gt; no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the<br>
+&gt; driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc&#39;s and find out how the<br>&gt; network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be<br>&gt; annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research on<br>
+&gt; the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out<br>&gt; the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install<br>&gt; special software only needed for one single task)<br>&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Gary<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Greetings<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Daniel Kreuter<br></div>
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+<p>I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does it lack this feature?</p>
+
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 11, 2011 10:16 AM, &quot;Daniel Kreuter&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com">daniel.kreuter85@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution">&gt; On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Gary Montalbine &lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt;wrote:<br>
+&gt; <br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; If Mageia is to grow it needs to attract the normal user. The one&#39;s<br>&gt;&gt; switching from MS. Many will not know what their video card is or may not<br>&gt;&gt; even have the technical knowledge to figure out their hardware. They just<br>
+&gt;&gt; want it to work. In ML I was asked if I wanted to load a propriety driver. I<br>&gt;&gt; don&#39;t recall that happening here. I had to go find it. On bootup there was a<br>&gt;&gt; lot of garbage about radeon and open spaces. I am using the radeon HD 4200<br>
+&gt;&gt; card. I have been an ML user since 2002 and have been able to work around<br>&gt;&gt; problems with forum/mail list support. I have installed it for first time<br>&gt;&gt; users with no problem. They were happy.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; In some ways MS is more annnoying than Linux can ever be. For example when i<br>&gt; install any version of Windows on my Desktop Computer (except win7) i have<br>&gt; no network drivers installed. Ok for this computer i have a disc where the<br>
+&gt; driver is on it. I own an old one without driver disc&#39;s and find out how the<br>&gt; network card is called even you have no working network, this task can be<br>&gt; annoying on windows. On linux it is not soo difficult (a little research on<br>
+&gt; the internet on another machine works, every program needed to figure out<br>&gt; the network card is included normally, on windows you have to install<br>&gt; special software only needed for one single task)<br>&gt; <br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Gary<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Greetings<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Daniel Kreuter<br></div>
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+<p>Sorry still getting used to this android email deal. But it was regarding the proprietary drivers remarks in the review.<br>
+On Jun 11, 2011 11:31 AM, &quot;Dick Gevers&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dvgevers@xs4all.nl">dvgevers@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:11:03 -0400, Lee Forest wrote about Re:<br>
+&gt; [Mageia-discuss] Nice review!:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I<br>
+&gt; &gt;installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when<br>
+&gt; &gt;I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver<br>
+&gt; &gt;from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im<br>
+&gt; &gt;kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video<br>
+&gt; &gt;configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does<br>
+&gt; &gt;it lack this feature?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please start a new thread and kindly do not toppost.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks v.m. &amp; good luck,<br>
+&gt; =Dick Gevers=<br>
+</p>
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+<p>Sorry still getting used to this android email deal. But it was regarding the proprietary drivers remarks in the review.<br>
+On Jun 11, 2011 11:31 AM, &quot;Dick Gevers&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dvgevers@xs4all.nl">dvgevers@xs4all.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:11:03 -0400, Lee Forest wrote about Re:<br>
+&gt; [Mageia-discuss] Nice review!:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;I have an nvidia card. A geforce 210 which is reasonably recent. When I<br>
+&gt; &gt;installed mageia rc before release, the config part of the installer, when<br>
+&gt; &gt;I configured the video, asked me if I wanted to install the nvidia driver<br>
+&gt; &gt;from online. It installed quick and easy and the driver works great. So im<br>
+&gt; &gt;kinda confused by this conversation. Did anyone bother to do the video<br>
+&gt; &gt;configuration from the installer or is this about the live installer? Does<br>
+&gt; &gt;it lack this feature?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Please start a new thread and kindly do not toppost.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thanks v.m. &amp; good luck,<br>
+&gt; =Dick Gevers=<br>
+</p>
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+Where can I find this telepathy program? Is it in .rpm or .deb format.� I&#39;ll have to THINK about giving it a try.�� ;-)<br><br>Tim<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Le samedi 11 juin 2011 � 16:36 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a �crit :<br>
+&gt; 2011/6/11 Ma�t &lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=513&amp;p=3231#p3231" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=513&amp;p=3231#p3231</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; if someone finds an idea to help this guy...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My first idea would be to ask for information - the post does not<br>
+&gt; contain any info at all.<br>
+<br>
+Well, that&#39;s clear he is trying to use telepathy ( pun intended )<br>
+<br>
+Also : <a href="http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Debugging" target="_blank">http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Debugging</a><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Where can I find this telepathy program? Is it in .rpm or .deb format.� I&#39;ll have to THINK about giving it a try.�� ;-)<br><br>Tim<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Michael Scherer <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Le samedi 11 juin 2011 � 16:36 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a �crit :<br>
+&gt; 2011/6/11 Ma�t &lt;<a href="mailto:maat-ml@vilarem.net">maat-ml@vilarem.net</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=513&amp;p=3231#p3231" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?t=513&amp;p=3231#p3231</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; if someone finds an idea to help this guy...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; My first idea would be to ask for information - the post does not<br>
+&gt; contain any info at all.<br>
+<br>
+Well, that&#39;s clear he is trying to use telepathy ( pun intended )<br>
+<br>
+Also : <a href="http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Debugging" target="_blank">http://live.gnome.org/Empathy/Debugging</a><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<font color="#888888">Michael Scherer<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am 20.06.2011 22:32, schrieb Florian Hubold:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+just want to gather some opinions about a metapackage for all those multimedia<br>
+stuff. Especially among newbies and beginners there seems to be need for easy<br>
+installation of multimedia-related packages, be it codecs, or media players<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+The intended use case of this was originally to offer an easy one-stop-installation<br>
+of the most common and most requested packages,<br>
+like flash-plugin, win32-codecs (back in the days when those were still really needed),<br>
+libdvdcss, gstreamer-*, lame, transcode, ffmpeg, and also stuff like unrar or wine.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>One point in package installation which will be a really mess for a newbie is our actual used package manager. <br><br>I think Ubuntu is going the right way with it&#39;s Software Center and i&#39;m thinking of adopting it for mageia (Maybe we are allowed to use it, don&#39;t know under which license the Ubuntu Software Center is, and it will need some rewriting for rpm support i think).<br>
+<br>But it would be a good starting point with the task-multimedia i think.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am 20.06.2011 22:32, schrieb Florian Hubold:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+just want to gather some opinions about a metapackage for all those multimedia<br>
+stuff. Especially among newbies and beginners there seems to be need for easy<br>
+installation of multimedia-related packages, be it codecs, or media players<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+The intended use case of this was originally to offer an easy one-stop-installation<br>
+of the most common and most requested packages,<br>
+like flash-plugin, win32-codecs (back in the days when those were still really needed),<br>
+libdvdcss, gstreamer-*, lame, transcode, ffmpeg, and also stuff like unrar or wine.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>One point in package installation which will be a really mess for a newbie is our actual used package manager. <br><br>I think Ubuntu is going the right way with it&#39;s Software Center and i&#39;m thinking of adopting it for mageia (Maybe we are allowed to use it, don&#39;t know under which license the Ubuntu Software Center is, and it will need some rewriting for rpm support i think).<br>
+<br>But it would be a good starting point with the task-multimedia i think.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Mit freundlichen Gr��en<br><br>Greetings<br><br>Daniel Kreuter<br><br><br><br>
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+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Remco Rijnders &lt;remco@webconquest.com&gt; schrieb am 21.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Alternatively, I think you might even find people on this list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; willing to burn a DVD and mail it to you if you ask nicely :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">For the German users we provide the following service:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Ask nicely in the forums, someone will answer you and for some little donation to Mageia, he will send a CD/DVD by snake mail...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Perhaps some thing like that can be done in other countries as well?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Remco Rijnders &lt;remco@webconquest.com&gt; schrieb am 21.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Alternatively, I think you might even find people on this list</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; willing to burn a DVD and mail it to you if you ask nicely :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">For the German users we provide the following service:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Ask nicely in the forums, someone will answer you and for some little donation to Mageia, he will send a CD/DVD by snake mail...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Perhaps some thing like that can be done in other countries as well?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Radu-Cristian FOTESCU&quot; &lt;beranger5ca@yahoo.ca&gt; schrieb am 21.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Quickie: is it really wise to have in Cauldron Firefox 5 and only</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Firefox 5? You know, some extensions/add-ons simply don't work</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; with FF5.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">By the way. It's Cauldron. Till the release of Mageia2, FF6 or FF7 will be out and the addon devs will hopefully be up to date again.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If you want a stable release, you should install Mageia1.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Radu-Cristian FOTESCU&quot; &lt;beranger5ca@yahoo.ca&gt; schrieb am 21.06.2011</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Quickie: is it really wise to have in Cauldron Firefox 5 and only</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Firefox 5? You know, some extensions/add-ons simply don't work</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; with FF5.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">By the way. It's Cauldron. Till the release of Mageia2, FF6 or FF7 will be out and the addon devs will hopefully be up to date again.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If you want a stable release, you should install Mageia1.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Oliver</p></body></html>
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+Is <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay</a> possible for Mageia?<br>I&#39;d be glad to do this if it&#39;s easy.<br><br>/Kristoffer<br>
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+Is <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay</a> possible for Mageia?<br>I&#39;d be glad to do this if it&#39;s easy.<br><br>/Kristoffer<br>
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+I mean to triage.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/22 Kristoffer Grundström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Is <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay</a> possible for Mageia?<br>I&#39;d be glad to do this if it&#39;s easy.<br><font color="#888888"><br>/Kristoffer<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+I mean to triage.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/6/22 Kristoffer Grundström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Is <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay" target="_blank">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay</a> possible for Mageia?<br>I&#39;d be glad to do this if it&#39;s easy.<br><font color="#888888"><br>/Kristoffer<br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 18:25, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On 10 June 2011 13:32, claude devise &lt;<a href="mailto:c.devise@wanadoo.fr">c.devise@wanadoo.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve successfully installed Mageia over a Mandriva2010.2 (LXDE)<br>
+&gt; all is fine except usb removable sticks mounting (and usb larger disks too,<br>
+&gt; i think):<br>
+&gt; i get an &#39;Not Authorized&#39; error when i insert my usb sticks (all of them).<br>
+&gt; device is created (i.e., /dev.sdx), but i have to mount it manually as root.<br>
+&gt; this is not user friendly.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; if think udev or polkit is faulty.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; any hints on that ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; c.devise<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+- Do these device have entries in /etc/fstab? (Ideally they shouldn&#39;t).<br>
+- Is there a polkit authentication agent running? the output of &#39;ps<br>
+aux | grep polkit&#39; should tell<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>It looks painfully similar to <a href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a> as well, which seems to resurrect sometimes randomly on both Mandriva and Mageia :(. <br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 18:25, Ahmad Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+On 10 June 2011 13:32, claude devise &lt;<a href="mailto:c.devise@wanadoo.fr">c.devise@wanadoo.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve successfully installed Mageia over a Mandriva2010.2 (LXDE)<br>
+&gt; all is fine except usb removable sticks mounting (and usb larger disks too,<br>
+&gt; i think):<br>
+&gt; i get an &#39;Not Authorized&#39; error when i insert my usb sticks (all of them).<br>
+&gt; device is created (i.e., /dev.sdx), but i have to mount it manually as root.<br>
+&gt; this is not user friendly.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; if think udev or polkit is faulty.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; any hints on that ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; c.devise<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+- Do these device have entries in /etc/fstab? (Ideally they shouldn&#39;t).<br>
+- Is there a polkit authentication agent running? the output of &#39;ps<br>
+aux | grep polkit&#39; should tell<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>It looks painfully similar to <a href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a> as well, which seems to resurrect sometimes randomly on both Mandriva and Mageia :(. <br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Speaking of FF5:</div><a href="http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/desktop-apps/2011/06/24/mozilla-enterprise-has-never-been-a-focus-of-ours-40093220/">http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/desktop-apps/2011/06/24/mozilla-enterprise-has-never-been-a-focus-of-ours-40093220/</a><div><br></div><div>Notice the reply from M$.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>R-C aka beranger</div><div>(a FF user and also a FF hater)<br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div>Speaking of FF5:</div><a href="http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/desktop-apps/2011/06/24/mozilla-enterprise-has-never-been-a-focus-of-ours-40093220/">http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/desktop-apps/2011/06/24/mozilla-enterprise-has-never-been-a-focus-of-ours-40093220/</a><div><br></div><div>Notice the reply from M$.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>R-C aka beranger</div><div>(a FF user and also a FF hater)<br></div></div></body></html>
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+  <p>Le 28/06/2011 00:30, Eugeni Dodonov a écrit :<br />&gt; On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 18:25, Ahmad Samir &lt;ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com <br />&gt; &lt;mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com&gt;&gt; wrote:<br />&gt;<br />&gt;     On 10 June 2011 13:32, claude devise &lt;c.devise@wanadoo.fr<br />&gt;     &lt;mailto:c.devise@wanadoo.fr&gt;&gt; wrote:<br />&gt;     &gt; I've successfully installed Mageia over a Mandriva2010.2 (LXDE)<br />&gt;     &gt; all is fine except usb removable sticks mounting (and usb larger<br />&gt;     disks too,<br />&gt;     &gt; i think):<br />&gt;     &gt; i get an 'Not Authorized' error when i insert my usb sticks (all<br />&gt;     of them).<br />&gt;     &gt; device is created (i.e., /dev.sdx), but i have to mount it<br />&gt;     manually as root.<br />&gt;     &gt; this is not user friendly.<br />&gt;     &gt;<br />&gt;     &gt; if think udev or polkit is faulty.<br />&gt;     &gt;<br />&gt;     &gt; any hints on that ?<br />&gt;     &gt;<br />&gt;     &gt; c.devise<br />&gt;     &gt;<br />&gt;     &gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt;     - Do these device have entries in /etc/fstab? (Ideally they<br />&gt;     shouldn't).<br />&gt;     - Is there a polkit authentication agent running? the output of 'ps<br />&gt;     aux | grep polkit' should tell<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; It looks painfully similar to <br />&gt; https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627 as well, which seems to <br />&gt; resurrect sometimes randomly on both Mandriva and Mageia :(.<br />&gt;<br />I installed Mageia a few times on other systems, no problem ( it was on <br />desktops)<br />the one i have the trouble with is a HP-Compaq nx6110. all is fine <br />except it.<br />i'm running vmlinuz-2.6.38.7-netbook-1.mga on this machine.<br />my /etc/fstab :<br /><br /># Entry for /dev/sda1 :<br />UUID=e8798996-f2e4-11db-bae1-7188fc37994b / ext3 defaults 1 1<br /># Entry for /dev/sda6 :<br />UUID=33756e38-bcfd-11db-beff-5bc0d446841b /home ext3 defaults 1 2<br />none /proc proc defaults 0 0<br /># Entry for /dev/sda9 :<br />UUID=4d8bb1a6-bcfd-11db-8253-c7ec5de738bd /tmp ext3 defaults 1 2<br /># Entry for /dev/sda7 :<br />UUID=f03a69e8-f2e4-11db-abf3-19d8f15118a9 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2<br /># Entry for /dev/sda8 :<br />UUID=44613268-bcfd-11db-8c85-8bae01e94240 /var ext3 defaults 1 2<br /># Entry for /dev/sda5 :<br />UUID=9728c919-59b5-45d8-8f99-5ed3381ef385 swap swap defaults 0 0<br /><br />ps aux | grep polkit<br />root      1262  0.0  0.1  24440  3024 ?        Sl   08:55   0:00 <br />/usr/lib/polkit-1/polkitd<br />claude    2461  0.0  0.2  28832  5980 ?        Sl   08:55   0:00 <br />/usr/lib/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1<br />claude   12578  0.0  0.0   3684   812 pts/0    S+   09:58   0:00 grep <br />--color polkit<br /><br />hth<br /><br />c.devise</p>
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+    Le 28/06/2011 09:59, claude devise a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E0989D5.80406@wanadoo.fr" type="cite">
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
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+      Le 28/06/2011 00:30, Eugeni Dodonov a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+      <blockquote
+        cite="mid:BANLkTim9nR_qVnkVSN807gir2+joUnqi8w@mail.gmail.com"
+        type="cite">
+        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 18:25, Ahmad
+          Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+          wrote:<br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+            0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+            padding-left: 1ex;"> On 10 June 2011 13:32, claude devise
+            &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:c.devise@wanadoo.fr">c.devise@wanadoo.fr</a>&gt;
+
+            wrote:<br>
+            &gt; I've successfully installed Mageia over a
+            Mandriva2010.2 (LXDE)<br>
+            &gt; all is fine except usb removable sticks mounting (and
+            usb larger disks too,<br>
+            &gt; i think):<br>
+            &gt; i get an 'Not Authorized' error when i insert my usb
+            sticks (all of them).<br>
+            &gt; device is created (i.e., /dev.sdx), but i have to mount
+            it manually as root.<br>
+            &gt; this is not user friendly.<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; if think udev or polkit is faulty.<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; any hints on that ?<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; c.devise<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            <br>
+            - Do these device have entries in /etc/fstab? (Ideally they
+            shouldn't).<br>
+            - Is there a polkit authentication agent running? the output
+            of 'ps<br>
+            aux | grep polkit' should tell<br>
+            <br>
+          </blockquote>
+          <div><br>
+            It looks painfully similar to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a>
+            as well, which seems to resurrect sometimes randomly on both
+            Mandriva and Mageia :(. <br clear="all">
+          </div>
+        </div>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+    </blockquote>
+    I answer myself :<br>
+    I applied <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+      href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a>
+    workaround :<br>
+    <br>
+    "<i>Eventually I've found a workaround:<br>
+      add a file /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/mount.pkla
+      with:</i><br>
+    <pre class="bz_comment_text"><i>[Workaround for bug]
+Identity=unix-user:eric
+Action=org.freedesktop.udisks.filesystem-mount
+ResultAny=yes
+ResultInactive=no</i>
+<i>ResultActive=yes"
+
+</i>It seems polkit ans polkit1 are a bit fuzzy...<i>
+
+</i>thanks to you, i was not able to find this feature <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><i>
+
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+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E0989D5.80406@wanadoo.fr" type="cite">
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+      Le 28/06/2011 00:30, Eugeni Dodonov a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+      <blockquote
+        cite="mid:BANLkTim9nR_qVnkVSN807gir2+joUnqi8w@mail.gmail.com"
+        type="cite">
+        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 18:25, Ahmad
+          Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+          wrote:<br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+            0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+            padding-left: 1ex;"> On 10 June 2011 13:32, claude devise
+            &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:c.devise@wanadoo.fr">c.devise@wanadoo.fr</a>&gt;
+
+            wrote:<br>
+            &gt; I've successfully installed Mageia over a
+            Mandriva2010.2 (LXDE)<br>
+            &gt; all is fine except usb removable sticks mounting (and
+            usb larger disks too,<br>
+            &gt; i think):<br>
+            &gt; i get an 'Not Authorized' error when i insert my usb
+            sticks (all of them).<br>
+            &gt; device is created (i.e., /dev.sdx), but i have to mount
+            it manually as root.<br>
+            &gt; this is not user friendly.<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; if think udev or polkit is faulty.<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; any hints on that ?<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt; c.devise<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            &gt;<br>
+            <br>
+            - Do these device have entries in /etc/fstab? (Ideally they
+            shouldn't).<br>
+            - Is there a polkit authentication agent running? the output
+            of 'ps<br>
+            aux | grep polkit' should tell<br>
+            <br>
+          </blockquote>
+          <div><br>
+            It looks painfully similar to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a>
+            as well, which seems to resurrect sometimes randomly on both
+            Mandriva and Mageia :(. <br clear="all">
+          </div>
+        </div>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+    </blockquote>
+    I answer myself :<br>
+    I applied <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+      href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a>
+    workaround :<br>
+    <br>
+    "<i>Eventually I've found a workaround:<br>
+      add a file /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/mount.pkla
+      with:</i><br>
+    <pre class="bz_comment_text"><i>[Workaround for bug]
+Identity=unix-user:eric
+Action=org.freedesktop.udisks.filesystem-mount
+ResultAny=yes
+ResultInactive=no</i>
+<i>ResultActive=yes"
+
+</i>It seems polkit ans polkit1 are a bit fuzzy...<i>
+
+</i>thanks to you, i was not able to find this feature <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><i>
+
+c.devise
+
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+      cite="mid:BANLkTim9nR_qVnkVSN807gir2+joUnqi8w@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 18:25, Ahmad
+        Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
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+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          On 10 June 2011 13:32, claude devise &lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:c.devise@wanadoo.fr">c.devise@wanadoo.fr</a>&gt;
+          wrote:<br>
+          &gt; I've successfully installed Mageia over a Mandriva2010.2
+          (LXDE)<br>
+          &gt; all is fine except usb removable sticks mounting (and usb
+          larger disks too,<br>
+          &gt; i think):<br>
+          &gt; i get an 'Not Authorized' error when i insert my usb
+          sticks (all of them).<br>
+          &gt; device is created (i.e., /dev.sdx), but i have to mount
+          it manually as root.<br>
+          &gt; this is not user friendly.<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; if think udev or polkit is faulty.<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; any hints on that ?<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; c.devise<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          <br>
+          - Do these device have entries in /etc/fstab? (Ideally they
+          shouldn't).<br>
+          - Is there a polkit authentication agent running? the output
+          of 'ps<br>
+          aux | grep polkit' should tell<br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+          It looks painfully similar to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a>
+          as well, which seems to resurrect sometimes randomly on both
+          Mandriva and Mageia :(. <br clear="all">
+        </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    I installed Mageia a few times on other systems, no problem ( it was
+    on desktops)<br>
+    the one i have the trouble with is a HP-Compaq nx6110. all is fine
+    except it.<br>
+    i'm running vmlinuz-2.6.38.7-netbook-1.mga on this machine.<br>
+    my /etc/fstab :<br>
+    <br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda1 :<br>
+    UUID=e8798996-f2e4-11db-bae1-7188fc37994b / ext3 defaults 1 1<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda6 :<br>
+    UUID=33756e38-bcfd-11db-beff-5bc0d446841b /home ext3 defaults 1 2<br>
+    none /proc proc defaults 0 0<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda9 :<br>
+    UUID=4d8bb1a6-bcfd-11db-8253-c7ec5de738bd /tmp ext3 defaults 1 2<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda7 :<br>
+    UUID=f03a69e8-f2e4-11db-abf3-19d8f15118a9 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda8 :<br>
+    UUID=44613268-bcfd-11db-8c85-8bae01e94240 /var ext3 defaults 1 2<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda5 :<br>
+    UUID=9728c919-59b5-45d8-8f99-5ed3381ef385 swap swap defaults 0 0<br>
+    <br>
+    ps aux | grep polkit<br>
+    root&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1262&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp; 0.1&nbsp; 24440&nbsp; 3024 ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sl&nbsp;&nbsp; 08:55&nbsp;&nbsp; 0:00
+    /usr/lib/polkit-1/polkitd<br>
+    claude&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2461&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp; 0.2&nbsp; 28832&nbsp; 5980 ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sl&nbsp;&nbsp; 08:55&nbsp;&nbsp; 0:00
+    /usr/lib/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1<br>
+    claude&nbsp;&nbsp; 12578&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3684&nbsp;&nbsp; 812 pts/0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; S+&nbsp;&nbsp; 09:58&nbsp;&nbsp; 0:00
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+    Le 28/06/2011 00:30, Eugeni Dodonov a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:BANLkTim9nR_qVnkVSN807gir2+joUnqi8w@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 18:25, Ahmad
+        Samir <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com">ahmadsamir3891@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt
+          0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);
+          padding-left: 1ex;">
+          On 10 June 2011 13:32, claude devise &lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:c.devise@wanadoo.fr">c.devise@wanadoo.fr</a>&gt;
+          wrote:<br>
+          &gt; I've successfully installed Mageia over a Mandriva2010.2
+          (LXDE)<br>
+          &gt; all is fine except usb removable sticks mounting (and usb
+          larger disks too,<br>
+          &gt; i think):<br>
+          &gt; i get an 'Not Authorized' error when i insert my usb
+          sticks (all of them).<br>
+          &gt; device is created (i.e., /dev.sdx), but i have to mount
+          it manually as root.<br>
+          &gt; this is not user friendly.<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; if think udev or polkit is faulty.<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; any hints on that ?<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; c.devise<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          <br>
+          - Do these device have entries in /etc/fstab? (Ideally they
+          shouldn't).<br>
+          - Is there a polkit authentication agent running? the output
+          of 'ps<br>
+          aux | grep polkit' should tell<br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+          It looks painfully similar to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a>
+          as well, which seems to resurrect sometimes randomly on both
+          Mandriva and Mageia :(. <br clear="all">
+        </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    I installed Mageia a few times on other systems, no problem ( it was
+    on desktops)<br>
+    the one i have the trouble with is a HP-Compaq nx6110. all is fine
+    except it.<br>
+    i'm running vmlinuz-2.6.38.7-netbook-1.mga on this machine.<br>
+    my /etc/fstab :<br>
+    <br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda1 :<br>
+    UUID=e8798996-f2e4-11db-bae1-7188fc37994b / ext3 defaults 1 1<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda6 :<br>
+    UUID=33756e38-bcfd-11db-beff-5bc0d446841b /home ext3 defaults 1 2<br>
+    none /proc proc defaults 0 0<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda9 :<br>
+    UUID=4d8bb1a6-bcfd-11db-8253-c7ec5de738bd /tmp ext3 defaults 1 2<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda7 :<br>
+    UUID=f03a69e8-f2e4-11db-abf3-19d8f15118a9 /usr ext3 defaults 1 2<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda8 :<br>
+    UUID=44613268-bcfd-11db-8c85-8bae01e94240 /var ext3 defaults 1 2<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda5 :<br>
+    UUID=9728c919-59b5-45d8-8f99-5ed3381ef385 swap swap defaults 0 0<br>
+    <br>
+    ps aux | grep polkit<br>
+    root&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1262&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp; 0.1&nbsp; 24440&nbsp; 3024 ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sl&nbsp;&nbsp; 08:55&nbsp;&nbsp; 0:00
+    /usr/lib/polkit-1/polkitd<br>
+    claude&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2461&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp; 0.2&nbsp; 28832&nbsp; 5980 ?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sl&nbsp;&nbsp; 08:55&nbsp;&nbsp; 0:00
+    /usr/lib/polkit-gnome-authentication-agent-1<br>
+    claude&nbsp;&nbsp; 12578&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp; 0.0&nbsp;&nbsp; 3684&nbsp;&nbsp; 812 pts/0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; S+&nbsp;&nbsp; 09:58&nbsp;&nbsp; 0:00
+    grep --color polkit<br>
+    <br>
+    hth<br>
+    <br>
+    c.devise<br>
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+ />&gt; http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sciencesig<br />&gt;<br />&gt; I'd think the second step would be to make a groupe of wiki/web pages<br />&gt; (by type or by application domain ?).<br />&gt; What do you think about that ?<br />&gt; Do some of you want to help or have any idea ?<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Cheers<br />&gt; grenoya<br />&gt;<br /><br />Just a small note, in that direction:<br />My colleague and me would be very happy, if R (the statistic programming <br />language) - or to be more exact rscript - would work properly.<br /><br />https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1434<br /><br />Regards,<br />Thorsten</p>
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+  <p>Am 22.06.2011 10:51, schrieb grenoya:<br />&gt; Hello<br />&gt;<br />&gt; I'd like to make science libraries and softwares more visible in Mageia.<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Mageia, like other distro, contains a big amount of packages for<br />&gt; scientists (more than ScientificLinux in fact :) ).<br />&gt; But no distro are doing ads about that.<br />&gt; Looking around french labs, I noted the distro used and the reasons :<br />&gt; - ScientificLinux -&gt; because of the name (which is a joke for me)<br />&gt; - Debian -&gt; for stability<br />&gt; - Fedora -&gt; for security<br />&gt; - Mandriva -&gt; because it's French and/or there are contributors in lab's<br />&gt; sysadmin team<br />&gt; I'm not saying Mageia has more things than Fedora, Debian and Mdv. I<br />&gt; just want to show to scientific community, that they can also use Mageia :)<br />&gt;<br />&gt; The first step was for me to list all that we have and all that we miss.<br />&gt; It has been done here :<br 
+ />&gt; http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sciencesig<br />&gt;<br />&gt; I'd think the second step would be to make a groupe of wiki/web pages<br />&gt; (by type or by application domain ?).<br />&gt; What do you think about that ?<br />&gt; Do some of you want to help or have any idea ?<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Cheers<br />&gt; grenoya<br />&gt;<br /><br />Just a small note, in that direction:<br />My colleague and me would be very happy, if R (the statistic programming <br />language) - or to be more exact rscript - would work properly.<br /><br />https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1434<br /><br />Regards,<br />Thorsten</p>
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+    Le 28/06/2011 10:15, claude devise a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E098DBE.2000205@wanadoo.fr" type="cite">
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
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+      I answer myself :<br>
+      I applied <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+        href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a>
+      workaround :<br>
+      <br>
+      "<i>Eventually I've found a workaround:<br>
+        add a file /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/mount.pkla
+        with:</i><br>
+      <pre class="bz_comment_text"><i>[Workaround for bug]
+Identity=unix-user:eric
+Action=org.freedesktop.udisks.filesystem-mount
+ResultAny=yes
+ResultInactive=no</i>
+<i>ResultActive=yes"
+
+</i>It seems polkit ans polkit1 are a bit fuzzy...<i>
+
+</i>thanks to you, i was not able to find this feature <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><i>
+
+c.devise
+
+</i></pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I was not able to eject usb sticks...<br>
+    I added a other file <i>/etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/eject.pkla<br>
+      <br>
+      as this :<br>
+      [Workaround for bug]<br>
+      Identity=unix-user:claude<br>
+      Action=org.freedesktop.udisks.drive-eject<br>
+      ResultAny=yes<br>
+      ResultInactive=no<br>
+      ResultActive=yes<br>
+      <br>
+      and it works on ejecting my usb stick...<br>
+      <br>
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+    Le 28/06/2011 10:15, claude devise a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E098DBE.2000205@wanadoo.fr" type="cite">
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+      I answer myself :<br>
+      I applied <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+        href="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=60627</a>
+      workaround :<br>
+      <br>
+      "<i>Eventually I've found a workaround:<br>
+        add a file /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/mount.pkla
+        with:</i><br>
+      <pre class="bz_comment_text"><i>[Workaround for bug]
+Identity=unix-user:eric
+Action=org.freedesktop.udisks.filesystem-mount
+ResultAny=yes
+ResultInactive=no</i>
+<i>ResultActive=yes"
+
+</i>It seems polkit ans polkit1 are a bit fuzzy...<i>
+
+</i>thanks to you, i was not able to find this feature <span class="moz-smiley-s3"><span> ;-) </span></span><i>
+
+c.devise
+
+</i></pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    I was not able to eject usb sticks...<br>
+    I added a other file <i>/etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/eject.pkla<br>
+      <br>
+      as this :<br>
+      [Workaround for bug]<br>
+      Identity=unix-user:claude<br>
+      Action=org.freedesktop.udisks.drive-eject<br>
+      ResultAny=yes<br>
+      ResultInactive=no<br>
+      ResultActive=yes<br>
+      <br>
+      and it works on ejecting my usb stick...<br>
+      <br>
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+<p>Magnus</p>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 28.06.2011 14:10 schrieb &quot;Michael Scherer&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:misc@zarb.org">misc@zarb.org</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; FYI, I have moderated cazacu bogdan. <br>&gt; <br>&gt; -- <br>
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+  has been done here :<br />&gt; http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sciencesig<br />&gt;<br />&gt; I'd think the second step would be to make a groupe of wiki/web pages (by<br />&gt; type or by application domain ?).<br />&gt; What do you think about that ?<br />&gt; Do some of you want to help or have any idea ?<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Cheers<br />&gt; grenoya<br />&gt;<br /><br />When time appears, I would eally like to help with this. I have been<br />working on getting some missing engineering packages ready.<br /><br />This would be a good thing to get done in time for mga 2.</p>
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+  has been done here :<br />&gt; http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sciencesig<br />&gt;<br />&gt; I'd think the second step would be to make a groupe of wiki/web pages (by<br />&gt; type or by application domain ?).<br />&gt; What do you think about that ?<br />&gt; Do some of you want to help or have any idea ?<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Cheers<br />&gt; grenoya<br />&gt;<br /><br />When time appears, I would eally like to help with this. I have been<br />working on getting some missing engineering packages ready.<br /><br />This would be a good thing to get done in time for mga 2.</p>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>I've been a subscriber since the alpha period, and the list is very alive... ;-)<div>Please check the archive.<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Cazzaniga Sandro" &lt;cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:06:43 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Mageia-discuss] Very quiet list<br><br>Le 30/06/2011 09:03, Johan Scheepers a écrit :<br>&gt; Good day,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Subscribed 12 hrs ago. No messages since. This list alive?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Some input please.<br>&gt; Thanks<br>&gt; Johan<br>Yeah, it's alive.<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Sandro Cazzaniga - https://lederniercoupdarchet.wordpress.com<br>IRC: Kharec (irc.freenode.net)<br>Software/Hardware geek<br>Conceptor<br>Magnum's Coordinator/editor (http://magnum.tuxfamily.org)<br>Mageia and Mandriva contributor<br></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>I've been a subscriber since the alpha period, and the list is very alive... ;-)<div>Please check the archive.<br><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Cazzaniga Sandro" &lt;cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>To: </b>"Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br><b>Sent: </b>Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:06:43 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Mageia-discuss] Very quiet list<br><br>Le 30/06/2011 09:03, Johan Scheepers a écrit :<br>&gt; Good day,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Subscribed 12 hrs ago. No messages since. This list alive?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Some input please.<br>&gt; Thanks<br>&gt; Johan<br>Yeah, it's alive.<br><br><br><br>-- <br>Sandro Cazzaniga - https://lederniercoupdarchet.wordpress.com<br>IRC: Kharec (irc.freenode.net)<br>Software/Hardware geek<br>Conceptor<br>Magnum's Coordinator/editor (http://magnum.tuxfamily.org)<br>Mageia and Mandriva contributor<br></div></div></body></html>
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+<p> Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is welcome. Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring and <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a> </p>
+
+<p>You can also apply here or on -dev ML looking for a mentor Also there is a weekly meeting on IR</p>
+<p>I hope the links a ok, because in the moment i am using my smartphone.</p>
+<p>Magnus<br>
+-- von unterwegs via Desire Z --</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 29.06.2011 19:49 schrieb &quot;Manuel Hiebel&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel%2Bml@hiebel.eu">manuel+ml@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 à 19:03 +0200, Adrian Sevcenco a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi guys! First let me tell you that you do a fantastic job .. i really<br>&gt;&gt; hope that you can bring to the old mandrake spirit the glory of old times :)<br>&gt;&gt; 2 questions :<br>&gt;&gt; 1. where can i ask/propose for inclusion new packages (scientific)?<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2. is there a page with packaging howtos?<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Thanks,<br>&gt;&gt; Adrian<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; For the scientific apps you can read<br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sciencesig">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sciencesig</a> ;)<br>
+&gt; -- <br>&gt; Manuel Hiebel (leuhmanu)<br>&gt; <br></div>
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+<p> Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is welcome. Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process: <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring and <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a> </p>
+
+<p>You can also apply here or on -dev ML looking for a mentor Also there is a weekly meeting on IR</p>
+<p>I hope the links a ok, because in the moment i am using my smartphone.</p>
+<p>Magnus<br>
+-- von unterwegs via Desire Z --</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 29.06.2011 19:49 schrieb &quot;Manuel Hiebel&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel%2Bml@hiebel.eu">manuel+ml@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; Le mercredi 29 juin 2011 à 19:03 +0200, Adrian Sevcenco a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi guys! First let me tell you that you do a fantastic job .. i really<br>&gt;&gt; hope that you can bring to the old mandrake spirit the glory of old times :)<br>&gt;&gt; 2 questions :<br>&gt;&gt; 1. where can i ask/propose for inclusion new packages (scientific)?<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2. is there a page with packaging howtos?<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Thanks,<br>&gt;&gt; Adrian<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; For the scientific apps you can read<br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sciencesig">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=sciencesig</a> ;)<br>
+&gt; -- <br>&gt; Manuel Hiebel (leuhmanu)<br>&gt; <br></div>
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+<p>-- on the road via Desire Z --</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 01.07.2011 00:11 schrieb &quot;Samuel Verschelde&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 16:37:23, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 13:24:00, magnus a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; welcome. Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>?<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring and<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; You can also apply here or on -dev ML looking for a mentor Also there is<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; a weekly meeting on IR<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I hope the links a ok, because in the moment i am using my smartphone.<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; They&#39;re not :)<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Here they are :<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The links :<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organizat">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organizat</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; ion <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Samuel<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Sorry, half my links were bad too :(<br>&gt; <br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a> <br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a><br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; Samuel<br></div>
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+<p></p>
+<p>-- on the road via Desire Z --</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 01.07.2011 00:11 schrieb &quot;Samuel Verschelde&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 16:37:23, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 13:24:00, magnus a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; welcome. Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>?<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring and<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; You can also apply here or on -dev ML looking for a mentor Also there is<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; a weekly meeting on IR<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I hope the links a ok, because in the moment i am using my smartphone.<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; They&#39;re not :)<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Here they are :<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The links :<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organizat">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organizat</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; ion <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Samuel<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Sorry, half my links were bad too :(<br>&gt; <br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a> <br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a><br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; Samuel<br></div>
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+<p>Next time it will ne better :-)</p>
+<p>-- on the road via Desire Z --</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 01.07.2011 00:11 schrieb &quot;Samuel Verschelde&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 16:37:23, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 13:24:00, magnus a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; welcome. Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>?<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring and<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; You can also apply here or on -dev ML looking for a mentor Also there is<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; a weekly meeting on IR<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I hope the links a ok, because in the moment i am using my smartphone.<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; They&#39;re not :)<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Here they are :<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The links :<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organizat">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organizat</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; ion <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Samuel<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Sorry, half my links were bad too :(<br>&gt; <br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a> <br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a><br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; Samuel<br></div>
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+<p>Next time it will ne better :-)</p>
+<p>-- on the road via Desire Z --</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Am 01.07.2011 00:11 schrieb &quot;Samuel Verschelde&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution">&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 16:37:23, Samuel Verschelde a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt; Le jeudi 30 juin 2011 13:24:00, magnus a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Thanks for your proposal, of course any help on packaging side is<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; welcome. Here are some wiki page to read about mentoring process:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>?<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring and<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; You can also apply here or on -dev ML looking for a mentor Also there is<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; a weekly meeting on IR<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; <br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I hope the links a ok, because in the moment i am using my smartphone.<br>
+&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; They&#39;re not :)<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Here they are :<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; The links :<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organizat">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organizat</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; ion <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</a>? id=packages_mentoring<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Samuel<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Sorry, half my links were bad too :(<br>&gt; <br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#packagers_organization</a> <br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging&amp;s[]=mentor#resources</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packages_mentoring</a><br>&gt; <a href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packager_start</a><br>
+&gt; <br>&gt; Samuel<br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/1 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+</div>I put &quot;HowTo use my smartphone&quot; on the list right next to &quot;what is<br>
+gnome3&quot;, things I will explain to you next time when we will meet for<br>
+a couple of beers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div>That&#39;s why I love this community!</div><div><br></div><div>Everybody helps everybody. </div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/1 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><br>
+</div>I put &quot;HowTo use my smartphone&quot; on the list right next to &quot;what is<br>
+gnome3&quot;, things I will explain to you next time when we will meet for<br>
+a couple of beers<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br></font></blockquote><div>That&#39;s why I love this community!</div><div><br></div><div>Everybody helps everybody. </div><div><br></div><div>Magnus</div></div><br>
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+Disable your passwortd for Mageia updates.<div><br></div><div>I Think, you will set the password protection if you leve your pc!</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus </div>
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+Disable your passwortd for Mageia updates.<div><br></div><div>I Think, you will set the password protection if you leve your pc!</div><div><br></div><div>Magnus </div>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Is there a&nbsp; web site that shows the versions of various software<br>provided with the mageia rpms. For example if I want to check that<br>libreoffice is included in a gnome cd download and what is the latest<br>version.<br><br></div></div></blockquote><a href="http://sophie.zarb.org/search?search=libreoffice&amp;amp;distribution=Mageia&amp;amp;release=&amp;amp;type=fuzzyname&amp;amp;deptype=P">http://sophie.zarb.org/search?search=libreoffice&amp;distribution=Mageia&amp;release=&amp;type=fuzzyname&amp;deptype=P</a><div style="font-family:
+ times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><a href="https://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/1/mageia-livecd-1-GNOME-africa-india-cdrom-i586.lst">https://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/1/mageia-livecd-1-GNOME-africa-india-cdrom-i586.lst<br></a><br></div></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span></span></div><div><br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">Is there a&nbsp; web site that shows the versions of various software<br>provided with the mageia rpms. For example if I want to check that<br>libreoffice is included in a gnome cd download and what is the latest<br>version.<br><br></div></div></blockquote><a href="http://sophie.zarb.org/search?search=libreoffice&amp;amp;distribution=Mageia&amp;amp;release=&amp;amp;type=fuzzyname&amp;amp;deptype=P">http://sophie.zarb.org/search?search=libreoffice&amp;distribution=Mageia&amp;release=&amp;type=fuzzyname&amp;deptype=P</a><div style="font-family:
+ times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><a href="https://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/1/mageia-livecd-1-GNOME-africa-india-cdrom-i586.lst">https://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/iso/1/mageia-livecd-1-GNOME-africa-india-cdrom-i586.lst<br></a><br></div></div><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/15 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:45:43 +0100, I wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; �urpmi nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest<br>
+<br>
+</div>Oh dear:<br>
+<br>
+ �[root@newpc ~]# � urpmi nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest<br>
+No package named nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest<br>
+<br>
+ �Anyone know what that should be, please?<br></blockquote><div><br>There is dkms-nvidia-current which will do the trick too. <br></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/15 Maurice Batey <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 18:45:43 +0100, I wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; �urpmi nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest<br>
+<br>
+</div>Oh dear:<br>
+<br>
+ �[root@newpc ~]# � urpmi nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest<br>
+No package named nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-latest<br>
+<br>
+ �Anyone know what that should be, please?<br></blockquote><div><br>There is dkms-nvidia-current which will do the trick too. <br></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
+
+
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 22:33, Jeff Robins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+What backup program(s) does everyone else use?<br>
+<br>
+I have multiple computers that backup to a server. �The server gets<br>
+backed-up to a removable hard-drive.<br></blockquote><div><br>If you are looking for a big and scalable solution, suitable for any case, and you have a dedicated server, bacula is certainly the best out there. But it is also very, very non-end-user-friendly and requires lots of config file editing to get started. But when you master it, it will save you life at each step and will do magic with your backups.<br>
+
+<br>If you are thinking about simple backup solution for some common directories (say, /etc/, /home/, ...), there are drakbackup and draksnapshot in Mandriva/Mageia. Each has its peculiarities, but they do the job fine in most cases.<br>
+
+<br>If you want to go deeper and manage your own backups and syncronization, you cannot escape much from rsync, unison, rsnapshot and tar - and its variants. There are plenty of alternatives and UIs for each of them.<br>
+<br>
+If you are thinking on hard-disk backup solutions, and system imaging, there are many options to choose from - ghost4linux, dd+rdiff :), dump/restore, unirecovery (but this one is still proprietary I think, and is mostly available for OEMs), and now carbono [1], which is developed by the same guys (me included, but without much time to play with it unfortunately) who developed unirecovery application at mstech.<br>
+
+<br>And finally, if you just want to backup some subset of files in a space-efficient manner, <a href="http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~sxanth/ungit.html">http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~sxanth/ungit.html</a> gives a nice overview about how to use git for that. Basically, it can be done with the following trivial script:<br>
+
+<br>#!/bin/sh<br>for backup in /home/eugeni /etc/ /var/config; do<br>� pushd $backup<br>� git add .<br>� git commit -a -m &quot;Backed up on %d.%m.%y&quot;<br>� git push server<br>� popd<br>done<br><br>(Of course, you must setup initial git infra with &#39;git init&#39;, and setup remote branches for each of backup&#39;able directories, but I&#39;ll skip those instructions as they are available in any git tutorial - just yell if you need some help with that).<br>
+
+<br>Besides those tricks, there are also hundreds of other backup applications and solutions. I tried to describe the most common scenarios, but it all depends on your needs of course.<br><br>P.S.: Real hackers don&#39;t backup configs and applications, they commit their settings upstream and just reinstall the packages when needed :).<br>
+
+<br>[1] <a href="https://github.com/umago/carbono">https://github.com/umago/carbono</a><br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 22:33, Jeff Robins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+What backup program(s) does everyone else use?<br>
+<br>
+I have multiple computers that backup to a server. �The server gets<br>
+backed-up to a removable hard-drive.<br></blockquote><div><br>If you are looking for a big and scalable solution, suitable for any case, and you have a dedicated server, bacula is certainly the best out there. But it is also very, very non-end-user-friendly and requires lots of config file editing to get started. But when you master it, it will save you life at each step and will do magic with your backups.<br>
+
+<br>If you are thinking about simple backup solution for some common directories (say, /etc/, /home/, ...), there are drakbackup and draksnapshot in Mandriva/Mageia. Each has its peculiarities, but they do the job fine in most cases.<br>
+
+<br>If you want to go deeper and manage your own backups and syncronization, you cannot escape much from rsync, unison, rsnapshot and tar - and its variants. There are plenty of alternatives and UIs for each of them.<br>
+<br>
+If you are thinking on hard-disk backup solutions, and system imaging, there are many options to choose from - ghost4linux, dd+rdiff :), dump/restore, unirecovery (but this one is still proprietary I think, and is mostly available for OEMs), and now carbono [1], which is developed by the same guys (me included, but without much time to play with it unfortunately) who developed unirecovery application at mstech.<br>
+
+<br>And finally, if you just want to backup some subset of files in a space-efficient manner, <a href="http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~sxanth/ungit.html">http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~sxanth/ungit.html</a> gives a nice overview about how to use git for that. Basically, it can be done with the following trivial script:<br>
+
+<br>#!/bin/sh<br>for backup in /home/eugeni /etc/ /var/config; do<br>� pushd $backup<br>� git add .<br>� git commit -a -m &quot;Backed up on %d.%m.%y&quot;<br>� git push server<br>� popd<br>done<br><br>(Of course, you must setup initial git infra with &#39;git init&#39;, and setup remote branches for each of backup&#39;able directories, but I&#39;ll skip those instructions as they are available in any git tutorial - just yell if you need some help with that).<br>
+
+<br>Besides those tricks, there are also hundreds of other backup applications and solutions. I tried to describe the most common scenarios, but it all depends on your needs of course.<br><br>P.S.: Real hackers don&#39;t backup configs and applications, they commit their settings upstream and just reinstall the packages when needed :).<br>
+
+<br>[1] <a href="https://github.com/umago/carbono">https://github.com/umago/carbono</a><br><br></div></div>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/17 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/7/17 Louie Pham &lt;<a href="mailto:luanlx.louie@gmail.com">luanlx.louie@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; How do you backup kmail data like e-mail and setting?<br>
+<br>
+</div>KMail saves its mails and settings in ~/.kde4/share/apps/kmail/ and<br>
+.kde4/share/config/kmailrc<br>
+<br>
+Saving those should do the trick...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>New KMail (KMail2) should have some archiving options, though I&#39;ve not tried it myself, just know because I&#39;ve translated strings indicating to the possibility.</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/17 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/7/17 Louie Pham &lt;<a href="mailto:luanlx.louie@gmail.com">luanlx.louie@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; How do you backup kmail data like e-mail and setting?<br>
+<br>
+</div>KMail saves its mails and settings in ~/.kde4/share/apps/kmail/ and<br>
+.kde4/share/config/kmailrc<br>
+<br>
+Saving those should do the trick...<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>New KMail (KMail2) should have some archiving options, though I&#39;ve not tried it myself, just know because I&#39;ve translated strings indicating to the possibility.</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 22:02, Franklin Weng <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2011/7/18 Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net" target="_blank">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 21:48, Franklin Weng <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw" target="_blank">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>2011/7/18 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+<div>On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. �It may be too<br>
+&gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. �If it is feasible,<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.<br>
+</div>Did you try already netprofile ?<br>
+<div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Well, no. �I&#39;ll try, and what I&#39;m thinking about is to integrate it into draknetcenter.</div><div>Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)�</div></div></blockquote>
+
+
+
+
+
+</div><div><br>It is in draknetcenter already btw, since at least mandriva 2010.0.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Is it? �I didn&#39;t see any configurations to setup profiles in draknetcenter.</div>
+
+
+
+<div>Can you please tell me where?</div></div></blockquote><div><br>In MCC -&gt; Network &amp; Internet -&gt; Personalize and Secure your network -&gt; Manage different network profiles.� Or right-click on net_applet in tray.<br>
+
+
+<br>Does it makes sense adding it into draknetcenter as well? I think its interface is too crowded already, and back in 2009 we thought with ennael and blino about it, and such addition would make it even more polluted from the UI point of view.<br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 22:02, Franklin Weng <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2011/7/18 Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net" target="_blank">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 21:48, Franklin Weng <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw" target="_blank">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>2011/7/18 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+<div>On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. �It may be too<br>
+&gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. �If it is feasible,<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.<br>
+</div>Did you try already netprofile ?<br>
+<div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Well, no. �I&#39;ll try, and what I&#39;m thinking about is to integrate it into draknetcenter.</div><div>Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)�</div></div></blockquote>
+
+
+
+
+
+</div><div><br>It is in draknetcenter already btw, since at least mandriva 2010.0.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Is it? �I didn&#39;t see any configurations to setup profiles in draknetcenter.</div>
+
+
+
+<div>Can you please tell me where?</div></div></blockquote><div><br>In MCC -&gt; Network &amp; Internet -&gt; Personalize and Secure your network -&gt; Manage different network profiles.� Or right-click on net_applet in tray.<br>
+
+
+<br>Does it makes sense adding it into draknetcenter as well? I think its interface is too crowded already, and back in 2009 we thought with ennael and blino about it, and such addition would make it even more polluted from the UI point of view.<br>
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 21:48, Franklin Weng <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2011/7/18 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<div>On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. �It may be too<br>
+&gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. �If it is feasible,<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.<br>
+</div>Did you try already netprofile ?<br>
+<div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Well, no. �I&#39;ll try, and what I&#39;m thinking about is to integrate it into draknetcenter.</div><div>Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)�</div></div></blockquote>
+
+<div><br>It is in draknetcenter already btw, since at least mandriva 2010.0.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+<div>I can&#39;t launch nm-applet (Gnome mode) under KDE. �It always launched plasma applet instead.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>urpme plasma-applet-networkmanagement &amp;&amp; urpmi networkmanager-applet will make it work. They are mutually exclusive under kde desktop :(.<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 21:48, Franklin Weng <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">2011/7/18 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<div>On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. �It may be too<br>
+&gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. �If it is feasible,<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.<br>
+</div>Did you try already netprofile ?<br>
+<div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Well, no. �I&#39;ll try, and what I&#39;m thinking about is to integrate it into draknetcenter.</div><div>Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)�</div></div></blockquote>
+
+<div><br>It is in draknetcenter already btw, since at least mandriva 2010.0.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+<div>I can&#39;t launch nm-applet (Gnome mode) under KDE. �It always launched plasma applet instead.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>urpme plasma-applet-networkmanagement &amp;&amp; urpmi networkmanager-applet will make it work. They are mutually exclusive under kde desktop :(.<br clear="all">
+
+</div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/18 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. �It may be too<br>
+&gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. �If it is feasible,<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.<br>
+</div>Did you try already netprofile ?<br>
+<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, no. �I&#39;ll try, and what I&#39;m thinking about is to integrate it into draknetcenter.</div><div>Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)�</div><div><br></div>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">�</div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">
+&gt; draknetcenter (and net_applet) is actually good enough for my desktop PC.<br>
+&gt; However for my laptop, I have different network settings for two network<br>
+&gt; interfaces in the office. �NetworkManager can setup different profiles for<br>
+&gt; each interface, and therefore in my laptop I disabled net_applet and use<br>
+&gt; NetworkManager instead. �But it is really not stable, especially under KDE.<br>
+</div>Using plasma-applet-networkmanagement ?<br>
+Did you (or Could you) eventually try with the nm-applet ?<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, using plasma-applet-networkmanagement.</div><div><br></div><div>I can&#39;t launch nm-applet (Gnome mode) under KDE. �It always launched plasma applet instead.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>I once tried it in Kubuntu 10.04 and I could use Gnome nm-applet. �However in Kubuntu 11.04 and Mageia 1 it failed to start Gnome mode under KDE.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>
+
+Franklin�</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/18 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. �It may be too<br>
+&gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. �If it is feasible,<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.<br>
+</div>Did you try already netprofile ?<br>
+<div class="im"></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Well, no. �I&#39;ll try, and what I&#39;m thinking about is to integrate it into draknetcenter.</div><div>Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)�</div><div><br></div>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">�</div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">
+&gt; draknetcenter (and net_applet) is actually good enough for my desktop PC.<br>
+&gt; However for my laptop, I have different network settings for two network<br>
+&gt; interfaces in the office. �NetworkManager can setup different profiles for<br>
+&gt; each interface, and therefore in my laptop I disabled net_applet and use<br>
+&gt; NetworkManager instead. �But it is really not stable, especially under KDE.<br>
+</div>Using plasma-applet-networkmanagement ?<br>
+Did you (or Could you) eventually try with the nm-applet ?<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, using plasma-applet-networkmanagement.</div><div><br></div><div>I can&#39;t launch nm-applet (Gnome mode) under KDE. �It always launched plasma applet instead.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>I once tried it in Kubuntu 10.04 and I could use Gnome nm-applet. �However in Kubuntu 11.04 and Mageia 1 it failed to start Gnome mode under KDE.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>
+
+Franklin�</div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align: left;">hello developers <br><br>i want to ask you about this topic<br><br><a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=788&amp;p=5533#p5443">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=788&amp;p=5533#p5443</a><br>
+<br>so what are your answers<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align: left;">hello developers <br><br>i want to ask you about this topic<br><br><a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=788&amp;p=5533#p5443">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=788&amp;p=5533#p5443</a><br>
+<br>so what are your answers<br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/18 Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 21:48, Franklin Weng <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw" target="_blank">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2011/7/18 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+
+
+<div>On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. �It may be too<br>
+&gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. �If it is feasible,<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.<br>
+</div>Did you try already netprofile ?<br>
+<div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Well, no. �I&#39;ll try, and what I&#39;m thinking about is to integrate it into draknetcenter.</div><div>Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)�</div></div></blockquote>
+
+
+
+</div><div><br>It is in draknetcenter already btw, since at least mandriva 2010.0.<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is it? �I didn&#39;t see any configurations to setup profiles in draknetcenter.</div>
+
+<div>Can you please tell me where?</div><div><br></div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>If this feature is already there, sorry for disturbing you.</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+<div>I can&#39;t launch nm-applet (Gnome mode) under KDE. �It always launched plasma applet instead.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>urpme plasma-applet-networkmanagement &amp;&amp; urpmi networkmanager-applet will make it work. They are mutually exclusive under kde desktop :(.<br clear="all">
+
+
+
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Uh... I couldn&#39;t be 100% sure since it was a bit long before, but as far as I remember I tried to install networkmanager-applet and it didn&#39;t work either. �It seemed to install plasma applets too (in Kubuntu?).</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Franklin</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/7/18 Eugeni Dodonov <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eugeni@dodonov.net">eugeni@dodonov.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 21:48, Franklin Weng <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw" target="_blank">franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>2011/7/18 Balcaen John <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org" target="_blank">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+
+
+<div>On Monday 18 July 2011 08:21:26 Frank Weng wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I have an idea, or say, feature request for draknetcenter. �It may be too<br>
+&gt; late for Mageia 2 since its release schedule is set. �If it is feasible,<br>
+&gt; it&#39;s okay for me to add it in Mageia 3.<br>
+</div>Did you try already netprofile ?<br>
+<div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>Well, no. �I&#39;ll try, and what I&#39;m thinking about is to integrate it into draknetcenter.</div><div>Thanks for informing (thanks to Kira too)�</div></div></blockquote>
+
+
+
+</div><div><br>It is in draknetcenter already btw, since at least mandriva 2010.0.<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Is it? �I didn&#39;t see any configurations to setup profiles in draknetcenter.</div>
+
+<div>Can you please tell me where?</div><div><br></div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>If this feature is already there, sorry for disturbing you.</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote">
+
+<div>I can&#39;t launch nm-applet (Gnome mode) under KDE. �It always launched plasma applet instead.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br>urpme plasma-applet-networkmanagement &amp;&amp; urpmi networkmanager-applet will make it work. They are mutually exclusive under kde desktop :(.<br clear="all">
+
+
+
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>Uh... I couldn&#39;t be 100% sure since it was a bit long before, but as far as I remember I tried to install networkmanager-applet and it didn&#39;t work either. �It seemed to install plasma applets too (in Kubuntu?).</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Franklin</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:03, TJ <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+New VirtualBox releases are coming thick and fast. On July 15, Oracle released version 4.0.12. Yesterday, four days later, version 4.1.0 was released.<br>
+<br>
+At this rate, it&#39;s going to be next to impossible for the repositories to keep up, and to remain viable for all users they may not even want to try.<br>
+<br>
+If a user wants to try it on his own, what would be the best procedure? I had originally thought that for now the Oracle-supplied Mandriva rpms would probably work, but I&#39;ve read that they won&#39;t because they use a version of Python different from that of Mageia.<br>
+
+
+<br></blockquote><div><br>They do work with a small workaround (<a href="http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/07/19/upstream-virtualbox-openssl-versions-on-mandriva/">http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/07/19/upstream-virtualbox-openssl-versions-on-mandriva/</a>).<br>
+
+<br>We were actually discussing it with misc on cooker yesterday, and from what I understood they won&#39;t be supported out-of-the-box by Mageia unless Oracle starts to recompile their packages with openssl 1.0.0. <br></div>
+
+</div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 10:03, TJ <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+New VirtualBox releases are coming thick and fast. On July 15, Oracle released version 4.0.12. Yesterday, four days later, version 4.1.0 was released.<br>
+<br>
+At this rate, it&#39;s going to be next to impossible for the repositories to keep up, and to remain viable for all users they may not even want to try.<br>
+<br>
+If a user wants to try it on his own, what would be the best procedure? I had originally thought that for now the Oracle-supplied Mandriva rpms would probably work, but I&#39;ve read that they won&#39;t because they use a version of Python different from that of Mageia.<br>
+
+
+<br></blockquote><div><br>They do work with a small workaround (<a href="http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/07/19/upstream-virtualbox-openssl-versions-on-mandriva/">http://dodonov.net/blog/2011/07/19/upstream-virtualbox-openssl-versions-on-mandriva/</a>).<br>
+
+<br>We were actually discussing it with misc on cooker yesterday, and from what I understood they won&#39;t be supported out-of-the-box by Mageia unless Oracle starts to recompile their packages with openssl 1.0.0. <br></div>
+
+</div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<br><a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank">http://eugeni.dodonov.net/</a><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi, <br /><br />I updated the <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/tabela-softwares/Mageia-1-tabela-software-2011-en.html"><span style=" font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#0040bf;">Linux Application</span></a><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/tabela-softwares/Mageia-1-tabela-software-2011-en.html"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;"> table for </span></a><a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/tabela-softwares/Mageia-1-tabela-software-2011-en.html"><span style=" font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#ff0000;">MAGEIA 1</span></a> ( http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/tabela-softwares/Mageia-1-tabela-software-2011-en.html ),  in english and portuguese,  and added the link of the site <a href="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/default/news"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Mageia App DB</span></a> ,   <a href="http://sophie.zarb.org/search"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Sophie.zarb.org</span></a>  and &quot;Linux Packages Search&quot; (bottom of the page). <br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Topic in Mageia Forum:<br />https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=740#p5677<br /><br />For those who want to find the table later, It's linked in <a href="http://wiki.mageiabr.org/#principais_software_para_usar_no_mageia_1"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">wiki MageiaBrasil</span></a> and page of <a href="http://wiki.mageiabr.org/software/tabela-software"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Software Table</span></a>.<br /><br />If someone wants to create a table with other software or to another distro, just copy file and folder icons and edit in Kompozer. It's easy to edit.<br /><br /><span style=" font-weight:600; color:#0000bf;">Note 1:</span> If anyone wants to add some other free software that is interesting in the table, just tell that I add.<br /><br /><span style=" font-weight:600; color:#0000bf;">Note 2:</span> In my opinion, I think it important an easy and simple presentation to find linux software, especially for beginners, as shown in the article &quot;<a href="http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/top-100-of-the-best-useful-opensource-applications/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Top 100 of the Best (Useful) OpenSource Applications</span></a>&quot; (2008) of Ubuntu Linux Help site.<br /><br />In March 2011, the author of the text made in 2008, said in new text &quot;<a href="http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/more-useful-open-source-applications-2011/#more-1852"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">More Useful Open Source Applications 2011</span></a>&quot;:<br /><br /><span style=" color:#0000ff;">&quot;As of today, it has been viewed over</span><span style=" font-weight:600; color:#0000ff;"> 1.8 million times</span><span style=" color:#0000ff;">. Still, one of the more common questions I get asked by new Linux users, revolves around the subject &quot;What application do I use for...&quot;</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />In MandrivaBrasil Forum, a topic &quot;<a href="http://translate.google.com.br/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mandrivabrasil.org%2Fsite%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D6341.0&amp;sl=pt&amp;tl=en&amp;hl=&amp;ie=UTF-8"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Found an great program? Tell us!</span></a>&quot; (in portuguese: &quot;<a href="http://www.mandrivabrasil.org/site/forum/index.php?topic=6341.0"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Descobriu um programa legal? Conta pra gente!</span></a>&quot;) has been read <span style=" font-weight:600;">21209 times</span> (one of the topics with more discussions and visits of the Forum MandrivaBrasil).<br /><br />I think there is already a lot of quality software, but it is not easy for many users find an appropriate application to their needs. <br /><br />I made <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/tabela-softwares/Mageia-1-tabela-software-2011-en.html"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">this table</span></a> only as suggestion. The ideal, in my opinion, is a <span style=" font-weight:600;">database online with applications to Mageia</span>, such as <a href="http://pkgs.org/search/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Linux Packages Search</span></a> site, but only for Mageia packages and with format of &quot;Mageia Software Manager&quot;, of &quot;Control Center Mageia-CCM&quot;, to access for everyone who wanted to know or looking for some software (not to install, only to seek,  <a href="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/default/news"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Mageia App DB</span></a> <a name="result_box"></a>is a good example).<br /><br />Cheers </p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Topic in Mageia Forum:<br />https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=740#p5677<br /><br />For those who want to find the table later, It's linked in <a href="http://wiki.mageiabr.org/#principais_software_para_usar_no_mageia_1"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">wiki MageiaBrasil</span></a> and page of <a href="http://wiki.mageiabr.org/software/tabela-software"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Software Table</span></a>.<br /><br />If someone wants to create a table with other software or to another distro, just copy file and folder icons and edit in Kompozer. It's easy to edit.<br /><br /><span style=" font-weight:600; color:#0000bf;">Note 1:</span> If anyone wants to add some other free software that is interesting in the table, just tell that I add.<br /><br /><span style=" font-weight:600; color:#0000bf;">Note 2:</span> In my opinion, I think it important an easy and simple presentation to find linux software, especially for beginners, as shown in the article &quot;<a href="http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/top-100-of-the-best-useful-opensource-applications/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Top 100 of the Best (Useful) OpenSource Applications</span></a>&quot; (2008) of Ubuntu Linux Help site.<br /><br />In March 2011, the author of the text made in 2008, said in new text &quot;<a href="http://ubuntulinuxhelp.com/more-useful-open-source-applications-2011/#more-1852"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">More Useful Open Source Applications 2011</span></a>&quot;:<br /><br /><span style=" color:#0000ff;">&quot;As of today, it has been viewed over</span><span style=" font-weight:600; color:#0000ff;"> 1.8 million times</span><span style=" color:#0000ff;">. Still, one of the more common questions I get asked by new Linux users, revolves around the subject &quot;What application do I use for...&quot;</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />In MandrivaBrasil Forum, a topic &quot;<a href="http://translate.google.com.br/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mandrivabrasil.org%2Fsite%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D6341.0&amp;sl=pt&amp;tl=en&amp;hl=&amp;ie=UTF-8"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Found an great program? Tell us!</span></a>&quot; (in portuguese: &quot;<a href="http://www.mandrivabrasil.org/site/forum/index.php?topic=6341.0"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Descobriu um programa legal? Conta pra gente!</span></a>&quot;) has been read <span style=" font-weight:600;">21209 times</span> (one of the topics with more discussions and visits of the Forum MandrivaBrasil).<br /><br />I think there is already a lot of quality software, but it is not easy for many users find an appropriate application to their needs. <br /><br />I made <a href="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1220932/mg/tabela-softwares/Mageia-1-tabela-software-2011-en.html"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">this table</span></a> only as suggestion. The ideal, in my opinion, is a <span style=" font-weight:600;">database online with applications to Mageia</span>, such as <a href="http://pkgs.org/search/"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Linux Packages Search</span></a> site, but only for Mageia packages and with format of &quot;Mageia Software Manager&quot;, of &quot;Control Center Mageia-CCM&quot;, to access for everyone who wanted to know or looking for some software (not to install, only to seek,  <a href="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/default/news"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Mageia App DB</span></a> <a name="result_box"></a>is a good example).<br /><br />Cheers </p>
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+<p>Hi everyone,<br>
+Yesterday I upgrade my laptop to get the Kde 4.7 release. I was running the last rc. In the process of updating urpmi asked me to choose between gdm and slim. I wasn&#39;t paying enough attention and ended up with slim. Also it looked like kde has vanished out of my machine...</p>
+
+<p>I had to reinstall kdm and kdebase4 to get a working desktop.</p>
+<p>I may have done something wrong (and in this case please educate me) but just if for once I didn&#39;t, I&#39;d like to know if I&#39;m alone and if it&#39;s a known issue. Also do I have to take some other actions to fix my mess ?</p>
+
+<p>Thank,<br>
+Thomas</p>
+<p>Ps: pardon the brevity, I write from my phone.</p>
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+<p>Hi everyone,<br>
+Yesterday I upgrade my laptop to get the Kde 4.7 release. I was running the last rc. In the process of updating urpmi asked me to choose between gdm and slim. I wasn&#39;t paying enough attention and ended up with slim. Also it looked like kde has vanished out of my machine...</p>
+
+<p>I had to reinstall kdm and kdebase4 to get a working desktop.</p>
+<p>I may have done something wrong (and in this case please educate me) but just if for once I didn&#39;t, I&#39;d like to know if I&#39;m alone and if it&#39;s a known issue. Also do I have to take some other actions to fix my mess ?</p>
+
+<p>Thank,<br>
+Thomas</p>
+<p>Ps: pardon the brevity, I write from my phone.</p>
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+<div style="color: #666; padding: 0 0 20px; font-size: 13px/18px; line-height: 18px;">See this email in <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=3&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">English</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=5&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Deutsch</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=6&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Français</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=8&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Italiano</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=7&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Español</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=61&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Português</a> or <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">29 other languages</a>.</div>
+<h2 style="font: normal 24px/27px Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0; padding: 0 0 18px; color: black;">Kristoffer Grundström har skickat ett meddelande till dig...</h2>
+Innehållet och dess avsändare kommer enbart att visas till dig och du kan radera det närhelst du vill. Du har även möjligheten att svara ögonblickligen genom vår message exchange system. För att se vad som har skrivits, klicka helt enkelt på följande länk:
+<br /><br />
+<table style="border-collapse: collapse;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
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+<td style="padding-right: 22px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae"><img src="http://p61.badoo.com/151/7/7/8/162210640/955628/t1309577430/1294254_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td><big style="font: 16px/18px Arial, sans-serif;"><b><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Läs ditt meddelande...</a></b></big></td>
+</tr>
+</table>
+<br />
+<hr style="height: 1px; color: #e5e5e5;" />
+<br />
+<big style="font: 13px/18px Arial, sans-serif;">Några fler personer som ihärdigt väntar:</big><br />
+<br />
+<table style="border-collapse: collapse;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+<tr>
+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae"><img src="http://p32.badoo.com/162/8/3/8/185218401/625835/t1289497494/625842_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Toni</span><br />
+Pori, Finland
+</td>
+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae"><img src="http://p59.badoo.com/243/8/0/4/152279631/980951/t1271673191/1145554_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Nora</span><br />
+Pori, Finland
+</td>
+</tr>
+<tr>
+<td style="height: 20px;" colspan="4" height="20px">&nbsp;</td>
+</tr>
+<tr>
+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae"><img src="http://p53.badoo.com/241/5/4/1/191862639/12835/t1310287748/106014_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Krystian</span><br />
+Eurajoki, Finland
+</td>
+</tr>
+<tr>
+<td style="height: 20px;" colspan="4" height="20px">&nbsp;</td>
+</tr>
+</table>
+<br />
+<br />
+This email is part of our delivery procedure for the message sent by Kristoffer Grundström. If you have received this email by mistake, please ignore it. The message will be deleted soon.
+<br />
+<br />
+Have fun!<br />
+The Badoo Team
+
+<br /><br />
+<img src="http://images.eu1.badoo.com/4e46d3d200000000004600000015-4241377710/3042/-/-/i/badoo.gif" width="80" height="23" alt="" />
+<p style="margin-top: 10px; color: #666666; font: 13px/18px Arial, sans-serif;">Du har mottagit detta brev eftersom en Badoo-medlem skickat ett meddelande till dig på Badoo. Detta är ett automatiserat utskick. Svar på detta brev bevakas ej och kommer därför inte heller att besvaras. Om du inte vill ta emot fler meddelanden från Badoo, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/impersonation.phtml?lang_id=70&amp;mail_code=21&amp;email=mageia-discuss%40mageia.org&amp;secret=&amp;block_code=891b58&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">vänligen kontakta oss</a>.</p>
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+<td align="left" width="90%" style="font: 13px/18px Arial, sans-serif;">
+<div style="color: #666; padding: 0 0 20px; font-size: 13px/18px; line-height: 18px;">See this email in <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=3&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">English</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=5&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Deutsch</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=6&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Français</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=8&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Italiano</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=7&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Español</a>, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=61&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Português</a> or <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">29 other languages</a>.</div>
+<h2 style="font: normal 24px/27px Arial, sans-serif; margin: 0; padding: 0 0 18px; color: black;">Kristoffer Grundström har skickat ett meddelande till dig...</h2>
+Innehållet och dess avsändare kommer enbart att visas till dig och du kan radera det närhelst du vill. Du har även möjligheten att svara ögonblickligen genom vår message exchange system. För att se vad som har skrivits, klicka helt enkelt på följande länk:
+<br /><br />
+<table style="border-collapse: collapse;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+<tr>
+<td style="padding-right: 22px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae"><img src="http://p61.badoo.com/151/7/7/8/162210640/955628/t1309577430/1294254_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td><big style="font: 16px/18px Arial, sans-serif;"><b><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">Läs ditt meddelande...</a></b></big></td>
+</tr>
+</table>
+<br />
+<hr style="height: 1px; color: #e5e5e5;" />
+<br />
+<big style="font: 13px/18px Arial, sans-serif;">Några fler personer som ihärdigt väntar:</big><br />
+<br />
+<table style="border-collapse: collapse;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+<tr>
+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae"><img src="http://p32.badoo.com/162/8/3/8/185218401/625835/t1289497494/625842_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Toni</span><br />
+Pori, Finland
+</td>
+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae"><img src="http://p59.badoo.com/243/8/0/4/152279631/980951/t1271673191/1145554_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Nora</span><br />
+Pori, Finland
+</td>
+</tr>
+<tr>
+<td style="height: 20px;" colspan="4" height="20px">&nbsp;</td>
+</tr>
+<tr>
+<td style="padding-right: 13px;"><a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/0162210640/in/3c.LkRQz-Ms/?lang_id=70&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae"><img src="http://p53.badoo.com/241/5/4/1/191862639/12835/t1310287748/106014_mmp.jpg" width="72" height="72" border="0" style="background-color: #ebeef1;" alt="" /></a></td>
+<td style="font-size: 11px; padding-right: 35px; color: #999; vertical-align: middle;">
+<span style="font-size: 14px; color: #333;">Krystian</span><br />
+Eurajoki, Finland
+</td>
+</tr>
+<tr>
+<td style="height: 20px;" colspan="4" height="20px">&nbsp;</td>
+</tr>
+</table>
+<br />
+<br />
+This email is part of our delivery procedure for the message sent by Kristoffer Grundström. If you have received this email by mistake, please ignore it. The message will be deleted soon.
+<br />
+<br />
+Have fun!<br />
+The Badoo Team
+
+<br /><br />
+<img src="http://images.eu1.badoo.com/4e46d3d200000000004600000015-4241377710/3042/-/-/i/badoo.gif" width="80" height="23" alt="" />
+<p style="margin-top: 10px; color: #666666; font: 13px/18px Arial, sans-serif;">Du har mottagit detta brev eftersom en Badoo-medlem skickat ett meddelande till dig på Badoo. Detta är ett automatiserat utskick. Svar på detta brev bevakas ej och kommer därför inte heller att besvaras. Om du inte vill ta emot fler meddelanden från Badoo, <a href="http://eu1.badoo.com/impersonation.phtml?lang_id=70&amp;mail_code=21&amp;email=mageia-discuss%40mageia.org&amp;secret=&amp;block_code=891b58&amp;m=21&amp;mid=4e46d3d20000000000460000fcce49ae" style="color: #3366cc;">vänligen kontakta oss</a>.</p>
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+</body>
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+<br><br>Envoyé depuis mon HTC<br><br>----- Reply message -----<br>De : &quot;Gary Montalbine&quot; &lt;gmontalbine@cox.net&gt;<br>Pour : &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Objet : [Mageia-discuss] Gimp printing<br>Date : sam., août 20, 2011 14:30<br><br><br><br><br><br>On 08/20/2011 07:35 AM, Gary Montalbine wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 08/19/2011 11:09 PM, Balcaen John wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Le Vendredi 19 Août 2011 22:59:39 Gary Montalbine a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; I mentioned previously that gimp and print assistant did not print the<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; image as shown in gimp. It was redder and darker. I went back to<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; ML2010.2 and colors match. When I reinstalled ML I was asked if I<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; wanted to install a proprietary driver for my video card. I said yes.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; I don&#39;t remember seeing this in mageia. Would that make a difference<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; in my print quality?<br>&gt;&gt; It should not make any difference to use a proprietary driver or not (but<br>&gt;&gt; you can of course install one on Mageia if you want.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Regarding printing maybe it&#39;s related to a misconfiguration of the<br>&gt;&gt; printer (like a wrong color profile used )<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I am strictly a user. Any printer setup has to be program related. I use<br>&gt; both MCC &gt; printer and HP device manager to check it. I know nothing of<br>&gt; color profiles. The install program needs to do what is necessary to<br>&gt; make it work properly. At this point I am forced to stay with ML until I<br>&gt; have at least finished my printing. One other related printer problem in<br>&gt; Mageia is that when I turned the printer off the program tries to reboot<br>&gt; and freezes up. I have to either remove the usb plug or close my open<br>&gt; programs.<br>&gt; Thanks, Gary<br><br>P.S. I noticed that the printed pictures in ML are slightly lighter that shown in Gimp. Is there some type of program that calibrates printer with monitor?<br>Thanks, Gary<br><br>
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+<br><br>Envoyé depuis mon HTC<br><br>----- Reply message -----<br>De : &quot;Gary Montalbine&quot; &lt;gmontalbine@cox.net&gt;<br>Pour : &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br>Objet : [Mageia-discuss] Gimp printing<br>Date : sam., août 20, 2011 14:30<br><br><br><br><br><br>On 08/20/2011 07:35 AM, Gary Montalbine wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 08/19/2011 11:09 PM, Balcaen John wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; Le Vendredi 19 Août 2011 22:59:39 Gary Montalbine a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; I mentioned previously that gimp and print assistant did not print the<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; image as shown in gimp. It was redder and darker. I went back to<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; ML2010.2 and colors match. When I reinstalled ML I was asked if I<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; wanted to install a proprietary driver for my video card. I said yes.<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; I don&#39;t remember seeing this in mageia. Would that make a difference<br>&gt;&gt;&gt; in my print quality?<br>&gt;&gt; It should not make any difference to use a proprietary driver or not (but<br>&gt;&gt; you can of course install one on Mageia if you want.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Regarding printing maybe it&#39;s related to a misconfiguration of the<br>&gt;&gt; printer (like a wrong color profile used )<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Regards,<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I am strictly a user. Any printer setup has to be program related. I use<br>&gt; both MCC &gt; printer and HP device manager to check it. I know nothing of<br>&gt; color profiles. The install program needs to do what is necessary to<br>&gt; make it work properly. At this point I am forced to stay with ML until I<br>&gt; have at least finished my printing. One other related printer problem in<br>&gt; Mageia is that when I turned the printer off the program tries to reboot<br>&gt; and freezes up. I have to either remove the usb plug or close my open<br>&gt; programs.<br>&gt; Thanks, Gary<br><br>P.S. I noticed that the printed pictures in ML are slightly lighter that shown in Gimp. Is there some type of program that calibrates printer with monitor?<br>Thanks, Gary<br><br>
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+I had similar problems which took 2 days to sort itself out, including doing the updates about 3/4 times in a row before it finished. I have found from past experiance that its usually down to mirrors not being fully up to date and leaving it for a while sorts it out<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/22 Reinout van Schouwen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:reinout@gmail.com">reinout@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+MageiaUpdate tells me that there are updates for autocorr-en,<br>
+autocorr-nl, kde-l10n-nl and libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts and wants to<br>
+deinstall all of LibreOffice because of it:<br>
+<br>
+$ sudo urpmi --auto-update<br>
+medium &quot;Core Release&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Release Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Updates&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Updates Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Backports&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Backports Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Release&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Release Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Updates&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Updates Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Backports&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Backports Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Release&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Release Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Updates&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Updates Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Backports&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Backports Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core 32bit Updates&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+De volgende pakketten moeten worden verwijderd om andere te kunnen opwaarderen:<br>
+libreoffice-base-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libjvmfwk.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libdbtoolslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsotlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucbhelper4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libdbulx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18nisolang1gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libforlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-calc == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libforuilx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-calc-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_xolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libooxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfilelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblnglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucpfile1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libmsfilterlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsaxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libpackage2.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libdbtoolslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbasegfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsotlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libdrawinglayerlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_ofalx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsblx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_solx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_genlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucb1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_gtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucbhelper4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_sblx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvbahelperlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libavmedialx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsofficeapp.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18nisolang1gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblegacy_binfilterslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libstore.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_salhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libreg.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-core-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_salhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-draw-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende liblnglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucpfile1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libpackage2.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsdlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_genlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucb1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_gtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsofficeapp.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-graphicfilter == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libstore.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libreg.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-pdfimport == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-graphicfilter-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbasegfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-impress-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende liblnglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucpfile1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libpackage2.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsdlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_genlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucb1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_gtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsofficeapp.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libstore.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libreg.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-presenter-screen == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-java-common-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-langpack-nl-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-math-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_xolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18npaperlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsotlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_solx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucbhelper4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblegacy_binfilterslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-pdfimport-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libreoffice-core[*],<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-draw == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-presentation-minimizer-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libreoffice-core[*],<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-impress == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-presenter-screen-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libreoffice-core[*],<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-impress == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-ure-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libjvmfwk.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libjvmaccessgcc3.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-wiki-publisher-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libreoffice-core[*],<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-writer == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-writer-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_xolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libooxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblnglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucpfile1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libmsfilterlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18nutilgcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsaxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libpackage2.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18npaperlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbasegfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsotlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_ofalx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsblx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_solx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_genlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucb1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_gtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucbhelper4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_sblx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvbahelperlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsofficeapp.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_golx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18nisolang1gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libswlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblegacy_binfilterslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libstore.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_salhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libreg.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit)) (j/N)<br>
+<br>
+Any clue what&#39;s going on here?<br>
+<br>
+regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Reinout van Schouwen<br>
+<a href="http://vanschouwen.info/" target="_blank">http://vanschouwen.info/</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>registered Linux user number 414240<br>Guy Faulks the only person to enter the Parliament with honest intentions and he was going to blow them up !<br>
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+I had similar problems which took 2 days to sort itself out, including doing the updates about 3/4 times in a row before it finished. I have found from past experiance that its usually down to mirrors not being fully up to date and leaving it for a while sorts it out<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/8/22 Reinout van Schouwen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:reinout@gmail.com">reinout@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+MageiaUpdate tells me that there are updates for autocorr-en,<br>
+autocorr-nl, kde-l10n-nl and libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts and wants to<br>
+deinstall all of LibreOffice because of it:<br>
+<br>
+$ sudo urpmi --auto-update<br>
+medium &quot;Core Release&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Release Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Updates&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Updates Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Backports&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core Backports Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Release&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Release Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Updates&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Updates Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Backports&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Nonfree Backports Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Release&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Release Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Updates&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Updates Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Backports&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Tainted Backports Debug&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core 32bit Release&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+medium &quot;Core 32bit Updates&quot; is bijgewerkt<br>
+De volgende pakketten moeten worden verwijderd om andere te kunnen opwaarderen:<br>
+libreoffice-base-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libjvmfwk.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libdbtoolslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsotlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucbhelper4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libdbulx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18nisolang1gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libforlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-calc == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libforuilx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-calc-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_xolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libooxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfilelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblnglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucpfile1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libmsfilterlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsaxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libpackage2.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libdbtoolslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbasegfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsotlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libdrawinglayerlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_ofalx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsblx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_solx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_genlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucb1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_gtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucbhelper4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_sblx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvbahelperlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libavmedialx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsofficeapp.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18nisolang1gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblegacy_binfilterslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libstore.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_salhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libreg.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-core-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-opensymbol-fonts == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_salhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-draw-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende liblnglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucpfile1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libpackage2.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsdlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_genlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucb1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_gtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsofficeapp.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-graphicfilter == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libstore.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libreg.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-pdfimport == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-graphicfilter-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbasegfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-impress-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende liblnglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucpfile1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libpackage2.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsdlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_genlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucb1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_gtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsofficeapp.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libstore.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libreg.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-presenter-screen == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-java-common-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-langpack-nl-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-math-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_xolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18npaperlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsotlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_solx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucbhelper4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblegacy_binfilterslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-pdfimport-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libreoffice-core[*],<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-draw == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-presentation-minimizer-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libreoffice-core[*],<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-impress == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-presenter-screen-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libreoffice-core[*],<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-impress == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-ure-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libjvmfwk.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libjvmaccessgcc3.so.3()(64bit))<br>
+libreoffice-wiki-publisher-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libreoffice-core[*],<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-writer == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1)<br>
+libreoffice-writer-3.3.2.2-14.mga1.x86_64<br>
+�(vanwege ontbrekende libsvtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_xolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libooxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libutllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblnglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucpfile1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libmsfilterlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18nutilgcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libeditenglx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxcorelx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsaxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libpackage2.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svtlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18npaperlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbasegfxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsotlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsvxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_ofalx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libcomphelp4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsblx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_solx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_genlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucb1.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvcllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libtllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvclplug_gtklx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libucbhelper4gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-core == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_sblx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libvbahelperlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libsofficeapp.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_golx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libi18nisolang1gcc3.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libswlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende liblegacy_binfilterslx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libxolx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libfwllx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libbf_svxlx.so()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libstore.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_salhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppu.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libreg.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege onvoldane libreoffice-ure == 3.3.2.2-14.mga1,<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_cppuhelpergcc3.so.3()(64bit),<br>
+ �vanwege ontbrekende libuno_sal.so.3()(64bit)) (j/N)<br>
+<br>
+Any clue what&#39;s going on here?<br>
+<br>
+regards,<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Reinout van Schouwen<br>
+<a href="http://vanschouwen.info/" target="_blank">http://vanschouwen.info/</a><br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>registered Linux user number 414240<br>Guy Faulks the only person to enter the Parliament with honest intentions and he was going to blow them up !<br>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Hi,<br>
+    <br>
+    I've just installed mageia-1 with the minimal number of packages
+    (without urpmi) as it is possible to select during install.<br>
+    Then the required disk space used is about 660Mb !!<br>
+    I am not a specialist, but isn't it possible to have a "real"
+    minimal number of packages installed ? For example, FreeNas is about
+    100Mb large.<br>
+    I can give the list of the installed packages but I don't know which
+    ones I could remove (if it is possible to remove any of them).<br>
+    For me, the minimal list should be :<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>kernel</li>
+      <li>main commands (ls, mkdir, ...) + rpm (+urpmi for
+        non-specialists !!)<br>
+      </li>
+      <li>ssh + nfs network</li>
+    </ul>
+    Then I could add all packages I want, one by one.<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards.<br>
+    <br>
+    Xuo.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
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+    Hi,<br>
+    <br>
+    I've just installed mageia-1 with the minimal number of packages
+    (without urpmi) as it is possible to select during install.<br>
+    Then the required disk space used is about 660Mb !!<br>
+    I am not a specialist, but isn't it possible to have a "real"
+    minimal number of packages installed ? For example, FreeNas is about
+    100Mb large.<br>
+    I can give the list of the installed packages but I don't know which
+    ones I could remove (if it is possible to remove any of them).<br>
+    For me, the minimal list should be :<br>
+    <ul>
+      <li>kernel</li>
+      <li>main commands (ls, mkdir, ...) + rpm (+urpmi for
+        non-specialists !!)<br>
+      </li>
+      <li>ssh + nfs network</li>
+    </ul>
+    Then I could add all packages I want, one by one.<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards.<br>
+    <br>
+    Xuo.<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+I found that this happens when the partition device names have changed.� Grub<br>cannot find the /boot/grub/ folder.� All that you are seeing runs from the MBR and first<br>couple of sectors.<br><br>I don&#39;t have the link to the webpage right now, but you basically boot from a line CD,<br>
+and install grub.� Grub should automatically find the correct partition to load from.<br><br>--Jeff<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:07 AM, e-letter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:inpost@gmail.com">inpost@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">&gt; Presumably, there is a message to &#39;Press any key to continue&#39;, which do,<br>
+&gt; if so.<br>
+<br>
+There is no message to continue (text mode)<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Then, the screen might display a grub menu with default entry<br>
+&gt; highlighted, in such case, press &#39;c&#39; for command line. �This is for a<br>
+&gt; text mode grub; there are steps, such as pressing Esc to leave the<br>
+&gt; graphical mode at the beginning of the splash display, which will avail<br>
+&gt; this capability.<br>
+<br>
+There is no grub menu as I have seen previously. After the text<br>
+&quot;error15&quot; there is absolutely nothing on screen<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+I found that this happens when the partition device names have changed.� Grub<br>cannot find the /boot/grub/ folder.� All that you are seeing runs from the MBR and first<br>couple of sectors.<br><br>I don&#39;t have the link to the webpage right now, but you basically boot from a line CD,<br>
+and install grub.� Grub should automatically find the correct partition to load from.<br><br>--Jeff<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 9:07 AM, e-letter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:inpost@gmail.com">inpost@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">&gt; Presumably, there is a message to &#39;Press any key to continue&#39;, which do,<br>
+&gt; if so.<br>
+<br>
+There is no message to continue (text mode)<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Then, the screen might display a grub menu with default entry<br>
+&gt; highlighted, in such case, press &#39;c&#39; for command line. �This is for a<br>
+&gt; text mode grub; there are steps, such as pressing Esc to leave the<br>
+&gt; graphical mode at the beginning of the splash display, which will avail<br>
+&gt; this capability.<br>
+<br>
+There is no grub menu as I have seen previously. After the text<br>
+&quot;error15&quot; there is absolutely nothing on screen<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+In this blog, you can see engineering software for Mageia:<br><br>CAD:<br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/cad-en-mageia/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/cad-en-mageia/</a><br><br>
+Science:<br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-i/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-i/</a><br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-ii/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-ii/</a><br>
+<a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-iii/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-iii/</a><br><br>All this software is in repo BlogDrake:<br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/repositorios/repositorio-blogdrake-en-mageia/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/repositorios/repositorio-blogdrake-en-mageia/</a><br>
+<br>More software for Mageia:<br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com</a><br><br>Joaquin.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/4 Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">On 23 June 2011 18:09, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Op donderdag 23 juni 2011 11:54:05 schreef Romain d&#39;Alverny:<br>
+&gt; [..]<br>
+&gt;&gt; We have several targets in this (children, students, teachers,<br>
+&gt;&gt; researchers), several domains. I guess that would be an excellent<br>
+&gt;&gt; exercise to build as a first user-specific portal. Do you have any<br>
+&gt;&gt; example, sample, idea in mind for this?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Romain<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; also, sysadmins (server-specific stuff)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+To pick this up again, librecad is in the SVN, needs updated to rc2<br>
+which I am doing locally now, I am also working on bringing FreeCAD,<br>
+OpenCascade and Solome in from MDV/Fedora.<br>
+PyCad and a some other cad systems are on the cards to, however I feel<br>
+that we should work on the more complete/stable projects first.<br>
+There are a few specialist distro&#39;s for science/engineering software,<br>
+perhaps we could see what they are shipping?<br>
+<br>
+Any ideas or software on the engineering/modelling side of things that<br>
+would be useful, I would be willing to have a look.<br>
+<br>
+Schultz.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+In this blog, you can see engineering software for Mageia:<br><br>CAD:<br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/cad-en-mageia/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/cad-en-mageia/</a><br><br>
+Science:<br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-i/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-i/</a><br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-ii/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-ii/</a><br>
+<a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-iii/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/programas-mageia/ciencia-en-mageia-iii/</a><br><br>All this software is in repo BlogDrake:<br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/repositorios/repositorio-blogdrake-en-mageia/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/repositorios/repositorio-blogdrake-en-mageia/</a><br>
+<br>More software for Mageia:<br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com</a><br><br>Joaquin.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/4 Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">On 23 June 2011 18:09, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten.vanraes@gmail.com">maarten.vanraes@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Op donderdag 23 juni 2011 11:54:05 schreef Romain d&#39;Alverny:<br>
+&gt; [..]<br>
+&gt;&gt; We have several targets in this (children, students, teachers,<br>
+&gt;&gt; researchers), several domains. I guess that would be an excellent<br>
+&gt;&gt; exercise to build as a first user-specific portal. Do you have any<br>
+&gt;&gt; example, sample, idea in mind for this?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Romain<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; also, sysadmins (server-specific stuff)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+To pick this up again, librecad is in the SVN, needs updated to rc2<br>
+which I am doing locally now, I am also working on bringing FreeCAD,<br>
+OpenCascade and Solome in from MDV/Fedora.<br>
+PyCad and a some other cad systems are on the cards to, however I feel<br>
+that we should work on the more complete/stable projects first.<br>
+There are a few specialist distro&#39;s for science/engineering software,<br>
+perhaps we could see what they are shipping?<br>
+<br>
+Any ideas or software on the engineering/modelling side of things that<br>
+would be useful, I would be willing to have a look.<br>
+<br>
+Schultz.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Le mardi 6 septembre 2011 17:04:56, Samuel Verschelde a =E9crit :
+&gt; A new kernel is available in updates_testing, fixing various issues,
+&gt; including security issues.
+&gt;=20
+&gt; For this kind of update, we need to ensure there are no regressions, the
+&gt; kernel being a critical piece of the operating system. For that we need to
+&gt; test on many different hardware configurations. So I invite everybody to
+&gt; update to the new kernel and report any regression.
+&gt;=20
+&gt; Thanks in advance.
+&gt;=20
+&gt; Samuel
+
+I forgot to give the link to the bug report :=20
+https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2642
+
+Please report testing results there.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
+]
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+Le mardi 6 septembre 2011 17:04:56, Samuel Verschelde a =E9crit :
+&gt; A new kernel is available in updates_testing, fixing various issues,
+&gt; including security issues.
+&gt;=20
+&gt; For this kind of update, we need to ensure there are no regressions, the
+&gt; kernel being a critical piece of the operating system. For that we need to
+&gt; test on many different hardware configurations. So I invite everybody to
+&gt; update to the new kernel and report any regression.
+&gt;=20
+&gt; Thanks in advance.
+&gt;=20
+&gt; Samuel
+
+I forgot to give the link to the bug report :=20
+https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D2642
+
+Please report testing results there.
+
+Best regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
+]
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+Please look here:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/default/news/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0">http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/default/news/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0</a></div>
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+Please look here:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/default/news/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0">http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/default/news/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0</a></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/9/9 Alejandro L�pez &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br><div><div class="h5">
+&gt; When updating my old Mandriva installation (Mandriva repositories are<br>
+&gt; mirrored by Free) I use to reach the bandwidth limit of my connection. When<br>
+&gt; I moved to Mageia (used the urpmi method) it took me the whole night to<br>
+&gt; upgrade while with Mandriva it used to take a few hours. Of course I won&#39;t<br>
+&gt; die because of this, but it would be good to have it, not only for me, but<br>
+&gt; also for a few millons french people.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Alejandro.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Which mirror did you use for the upgrade?<br></blockquote><div><br>I didn&#39;t manually choose. I let urpmi choose.<br><br>�</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:32 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/9/9 Alejandro L�pez &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br><div><div class="h5">
+&gt; When updating my old Mandriva installation (Mandriva repositories are<br>
+&gt; mirrored by Free) I use to reach the bandwidth limit of my connection. When<br>
+&gt; I moved to Mageia (used the urpmi method) it took me the whole night to<br>
+&gt; upgrade while with Mandriva it used to take a few hours. Of course I won&#39;t<br>
+&gt; die because of this, but it would be good to have it, not only for me, but<br>
+&gt; also for a few millons french people.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Alejandro.<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Which mirror did you use for the upgrade?<br></blockquote><div><br>I didn&#39;t manually choose. I let urpmi choose.<br><br>�</div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am Freitag, 9. September 2011, 14:23:37 schrieb Alejandro L�pez:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; - Do we need PLF for Mageia?<br>
+</div>No, there is no need for plf. Since Mageia is no company that needs to look<br>
+after the leagl circumstances in countries it wants to sell its product,<br>
+Mageia can provide those packages itself.<br>
+They are in the so called tainted repositories.<br></blockquote><div><br>So I just need to enable these4 repositories. Goooood. Thanks.<br><br><br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Are there plans to have a mirror of the Mageia repositories hosted by<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://free.fr" target="_blank">free.fr</a>? This would be great.<br>
+</div>That depends on <a href="http://free.fr" target="_blank">free.fr</a>, not on Mageia.<br></blockquote><div><br>But someone representative could possibly contact them asking if they are interested... ;-)<br><br>�</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+And what is the difference of a mirror by <a href="http://free.fr" target="_blank">free.fr</a> and a mirror somewhere else?<br></blockquote><div><br>That Free is my ISP and I can access those files at high speed as it&#39;s their internal network (no need to leave to the internet).<br>
+<br>When updating my old Mandriva installation (Mandriva repositories are mirrored by Free) I use to reach the bandwidth limit of my connection. When I moved to Mageia (used the urpmi method) it took me the whole night to upgrade while with Mandriva it used to take a few hours. Of course I won&#39;t die because of this, but it would be good to have it, not only for me, but also for a few millons french people.<br>
+<br><br>Alejandro.</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am Freitag, 9. September 2011, 14:23:37 schrieb Alejandro L�pez:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; - Do we need PLF for Mageia?<br>
+</div>No, there is no need for plf. Since Mageia is no company that needs to look<br>
+after the leagl circumstances in countries it wants to sell its product,<br>
+Mageia can provide those packages itself.<br>
+They are in the so called tainted repositories.<br></blockquote><div><br>So I just need to enable these4 repositories. Goooood. Thanks.<br><br><br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; - Are there plans to have a mirror of the Mageia repositories hosted by<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://free.fr" target="_blank">free.fr</a>? This would be great.<br>
+</div>That depends on <a href="http://free.fr" target="_blank">free.fr</a>, not on Mageia.<br></blockquote><div><br>But someone representative could possibly contact them asking if they are interested... ;-)<br><br>�</div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+And what is the difference of a mirror by <a href="http://free.fr" target="_blank">free.fr</a> and a mirror somewhere else?<br></blockquote><div><br>That Free is my ISP and I can access those files at high speed as it&#39;s their internal network (no need to leave to the internet).<br>
+<br>When updating my old Mandriva installation (Mandriva repositories are mirrored by Free) I use to reach the bandwidth limit of my connection. When I moved to Mageia (used the urpmi method) it took me the whole night to upgrade while with Mandriva it used to take a few hours. Of course I won&#39;t die because of this, but it would be good to have it, not only for me, but also for a few millons french people.<br>
+<br><br>Alejandro.</div></div>
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+Hi,<br><br>I&#39;m new to Mageia (previously Mandriva) and I have a few questions:<br><br>- Do we need PLF for Mageia?<br><br>- Are there plans to have a mirror of the Mageia repositories hosted by <a href="http://free.fr">free.fr</a>? This would be great.<br>
+<br><br>Thanks.<br>Alejandro.<br><br><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I&#39;m new to Mageia (previously Mandriva) and I have a few questions:<br><br>- Do we need PLF for Mageia?<br><br>- Are there plans to have a mirror of the Mageia repositories hosted by <a href="http://free.fr">free.fr</a>? This would be great.<br>
+<br><br>Thanks.<br>Alejandro.<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Ok, then it might be worth having a look on <a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org" target="_blank">mirrors.mageia.org</a> and<br>
+choosing one close to you then readding using that mirror.<br>
+I find stud-esslingen to be very fast, so is nluug.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Thanks for this information. I&#39;ll make it my default for the next upgrade/update.<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Ok, then it might be worth having a look on <a href="http://mirrors.mageia.org" target="_blank">mirrors.mageia.org</a> and<br>
+choosing one close to you then readding using that mirror.<br>
+I find stud-esslingen to be very fast, so is nluug.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Thanks for this information. I&#39;ll make it my default for the next upgrade/update.<br><br><br>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    Le 09/09/2011 14:23, Alejandro L&oacute;pez a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAHDxzRd3nx4ZxtLH73Vfru_auammMmum8Ww4EL0sLoy2LFOj+w@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      I'm new to Mageia (previously Mandriva) and I have a few
+      questions:<br>
+      <br>
+      - Do we need PLF for Mageia?<br>
+      <br>
+      - Are there plans to have a mirror of the Mageia repositories
+      hosted by <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://free.fr">free.fr</a>?
+      This would be great.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Thanks.<br>
+      Alejandro.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    PLF for Mageia is called "Tainted".<br>
+    <br>
+    S&eacute;bastien<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    Le 09/09/2011 14:23, Alejandro L&oacute;pez a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAHDxzRd3nx4ZxtLH73Vfru_auammMmum8Ww4EL0sLoy2LFOj+w@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      I'm new to Mageia (previously Mandriva) and I have a few
+      questions:<br>
+      <br>
+      - Do we need PLF for Mageia?<br>
+      <br>
+      - Are there plans to have a mirror of the Mageia repositories
+      hosted by <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://free.fr">free.fr</a>?
+      This would be great.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Thanks.<br>
+      Alejandro.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    PLF for Mageia is called "Tainted".<br>
+    <br>
+    S&eacute;bastien<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+On 9 September 2011 14:50, Thorsten van Lil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Please let us know, what you think about. Most interesting are technical aspects, we might forgot, but also your &quot;feeling&quot; with it.<br>
+<br>
+Greetings,<br><font color="#888888">
+Thorsten<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Personally I think it&#39;s a great idea - I myself have already switched over on my Mageia install. The theme is modern, well tested and supported, supports GTK/Gnome Applications as well as native KDE/Qt applications very well. Being unique in some way is nice but I think a switch to Oxygen is worthwhile.�<br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Kind Regards<br>Danny R<br><br>BLUG: <a href="https://basset.lug.org.uk/" target="_blank">https://basset.lug.org.uk/</a><br><br>
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+On 9 September 2011 14:50, Thorsten van Lil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tvl83@gmx.de">tvl83@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Please let us know, what you think about. Most interesting are technical aspects, we might forgot, but also your &quot;feeling&quot; with it.<br>
+<br>
+Greetings,<br><font color="#888888">
+Thorsten<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>Personally I think it&#39;s a great idea - I myself have already switched over on my Mageia install. The theme is modern, well tested and supported, supports GTK/Gnome Applications as well as native KDE/Qt applications very well. Being unique in some way is nice but I think a switch to Oxygen is worthwhile.�<br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Kind Regards<br>Danny R<br><br>BLUG: <a href="https://basset.lug.org.uk/" target="_blank">https://basset.lug.org.uk/</a><br><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">&gt; Or can anyone tell me if the Calibre library management prog will be included?<br>
+</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/package/show/t_search/calibre/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0/id/21144">http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/package/show/t_search/calibre/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0/id/21144</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>Yes, you can install it on Mageia 1 </div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">&gt; Or can anyone tell me if the Calibre library management prog will be included?<br>
+</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/package/show/t_search/calibre/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0/id/21144">http://88.191.121.20/madb/mageia/index.php/package/show/t_search/calibre/distrelease/2/application/0/arch/2/source/0/id/21144</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>Yes, you can install it on Mageia 1 </div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align: left;">sorry my mistakes what i ment to say was<br></div><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>��� to be honest to all of you oxygen at gtk3 when we use GNOME-SHELL is so so ugly look at here<br><br>��� <a href="http://www.linuxac.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14863&amp;d=1315479430">http://www.linuxac.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14863&amp;d=1315479430</a><br>
+<br>��� but as for GNOME-CLASSIC� its maybe good but not more than 70% look here<br><br>��� <a href="http://www.linuxac.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14864&amp;d=1315479939">http://www.linuxac.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14864&amp;d=1315479939</a><br>
+<br>��� these are the looks of the two of them<br><br>��� and i� think those need more developing or use another theme <br><br>��� ====================================<br><br>��� say how about this look for KDE which i made it here<br>
+<br>��� <a href="http://i52.tinypic.com/335awd1.png">http://i52.tinypic.com/335awd1.png</a><br><br><br><br>
+<br><br>
+</div></blockquote></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align: left;">sorry my mistakes what i ment to say was<br></div><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<br><div class="gmail_quote"><br>��� to be honest to all of you oxygen at gtk3 when we use GNOME-SHELL is so so ugly look at here<br><br>��� <a href="http://www.linuxac.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14863&amp;d=1315479430">http://www.linuxac.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14863&amp;d=1315479430</a><br>
+<br>��� but as for GNOME-CLASSIC� its maybe good but not more than 70% look here<br><br>��� <a href="http://www.linuxac.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14864&amp;d=1315479939">http://www.linuxac.org/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=14864&amp;d=1315479939</a><br>
+<br>��� these are the looks of the two of them<br><br>��� and i� think those need more developing or use another theme <br><br>��� ====================================<br><br>��� say how about this look for KDE which i made it here<br>
+<br>��� <a href="http://i52.tinypic.com/335awd1.png">http://i52.tinypic.com/335awd1.png</a><br><br><br><br>
+<br><br>
+</div></blockquote></div></div>
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+<p>Did the md5sum check on the .ISO?</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 11 Sep 2011 20:41, &quot;Louie Pham&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luanlx.louie@gmail.com">luanlx.louie@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><p><font color="#500050">On Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:11:21 PM Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Do not &#39;upgrade&#39;. Do a clean inst...</font></p>That correct I upgrade all my computers without any problem.<br>
+</blockquote></p>
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+<p>Did the md5sum check on the .ISO?</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 11 Sep 2011 20:41, &quot;Louie Pham&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:luanlx.louie@gmail.com">luanlx.louie@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><p><font color="#500050">On Sunday, September 11, 2011 12:11:21 PM Renaud MICHEL wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Do not &#39;upgrade&#39;. Do a clean inst...</font></p>That correct I upgrade all my computers without any problem.<br>
+</blockquote></p>
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+You can find skype-2.2.0.35-1bdk.mga1.i586.rpm�<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps"></span><span class="hps"></span></span>in Blogdrake repository.<br><br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/repositorios/repositorio-blogdrake-en-mageia/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/repositorios/repositorio-blogdrake-en-mageia/</a><br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/12 Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I found that the skype-2.1.0.81-69.1mib2010.1.i686.rpm from the MIB repository<br>
+<a href="http://mib.pianetalinux.org/mib" target="_blank">http://mib.pianetalinux.org/mib</a> �installs and works perfectly on my box.<br>
+<br>
+Had to enable the 32-bits sources of Mageia, and urpmi will install a mort of<br>
+32-bits dependencies.<br>
+<br>
+But IT WORKS !<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � � �Any stigma, as the old saying is,<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � � � � will serve to beat a dogma.<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Philip Guedalla<br>
+<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+You can find skype-2.2.0.35-1bdk.mga1.i586.rpm�<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps"></span><span class="hps"></span></span>in Blogdrake repository.<br><br><a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/repositorios/repositorio-blogdrake-en-mageia/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/repositorios/repositorio-blogdrake-en-mageia/</a><br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/12 Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+I found that the skype-2.1.0.81-69.1mib2010.1.i686.rpm from the MIB repository<br>
+<a href="http://mib.pianetalinux.org/mib" target="_blank">http://mib.pianetalinux.org/mib</a> �installs and works perfectly on my box.<br>
+<br>
+Had to enable the 32-bits sources of Mageia, and urpmi will install a mort of<br>
+32-bits dependencies.<br>
+<br>
+But IT WORKS !<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � � �Any stigma, as the old saying is,<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � � � � will serve to beat a dogma.<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Philip Guedalla<br>
+<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Sorry folks, this was an *unwanted* automatic mail from the netlog system.<br><br>-- <br>wobo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 12. September 2011 07:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:noreply%2BM169067321@netlogmail.com">noreply+M169067321@netlogmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><u></u>
+
+
+ 
+
+<div>
+<table style="line-height:18px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="620">
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+ <td colspan="4" height="10" bgcolor="#303030"> </td>
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+ </tr>
+ <tr>
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+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#303030" valign="top" width="115">
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+ <font style="font-size:12px" color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">
+ Wolfgang Bornath<br>
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+ männlich - 64 Jahre alt<br>
+ Hessen</font></font><br><br>
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+ <td style="font-size:13px" height="90" bgcolor="#efefef"><font color="#666666" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="#bd0710" size="+2">Hi!</font><br>
+ <br>
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+  <br> 
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+ <td colspan="4" height="3"></td>
+ </tr>
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+Sorry folks, this was an *unwanted* automatic mail from the netlog system.<br><br>-- <br>wobo<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 12. September 2011 07:40 schrieb Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:noreply%2BM169067321@netlogmail.com">noreply+M169067321@netlogmail.com</a>&gt;</span>:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><u></u>
+
+
+ 
+
+<div>
+<table style="line-height:18px" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="620">
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+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#303030" valign="top" width="115">
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+ <font style="font-size:12px" color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">
+ Wolfgang Bornath<br>
+ <font style="font-size:11px" size="-2">
+ männlich - 64 Jahre alt<br>
+ Hessen</font></font><br><br>
+ <br>
+ </td>
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+ <td height="90" bgcolor="#efefef" width="15"> </td>
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+ <td style="font-size:13px" height="90" bgcolor="#efefef"><font color="#666666" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><font color="#bd0710" size="+2">Hi!</font><br>
+ <br>
+  Ich habe ein Netlog-Profil erstellt und möchte dir (<a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" target="_blank">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>) Zugang zu meinen neuesten Bilder und mehr geben.
+  <br> 
+ <br>
+ <table bgcolor="#BD0710" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
+ <tbody><tr>
+ <td colspan="4" height="3"></td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td> </td>
+ <td><img src="" height="35" width="35"></td>
+ <td>
+  <a href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyOTg3Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUnBjMk4xYzNOQWJXRm5aV2xoTG05eVp3X18lMjZ1aWQlM0QxNzM0NTk4NzQ_" style="color:#ffffff" target="_blank">
+  <font color="#FFFFFF" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="+1">Verbinde dich mit Wolfgang</font>
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+ <td width="10"> </td>
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+ <br>
+ <font style="font-size:13px" color="#666666" face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1">
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+
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+  <br><br><br>
+ <br><br>
+ <img src="" height="23" width="112"><br><br>
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+ Möchtest du keine Einladungen von deinen Freunden mehr erhalten?
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+ </font></a>.<br>
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+  <font color="#666666">abuse-de@netlog.com</font></a><br>
+ </font>
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+ <td colspan="2" rowspan="2" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> </td>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 18:30, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Of course yes, silly question !<br>
+<br>
+But how many use the kernel from the Core Updates Testing media ? It&#39;s an<br>
+update candidate (bugfix + security), and we would like to have it tested<br>
+<br>
+Just install it, reboot, check that there is no regression in your hardware<br>
+handling, and give us feedback on the bug report !<br>
+<br>
+If something goes well, no problem, you can still choose an older kernel from<br>
+the boot menu and report the problems you had in the bug report.<br>
+<br>
+The bug report: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2642" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2642</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Alternatively, I&#39;d suggest using the same approach as Arch folks are doing - the one who installs the update candidate package, and it works for him, just replies with a:<br>Signed-Off for $ARCH<br>
+
+<br>(E.g., Signed-Off for i686; or Signed-Off for x86_64 - to indicate what architecture the update was tested on).<br><br>Not sure if this will spam the list a lot, but those are mine $0.02.. :) <br clear="all"></div></div>
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 18:30, Samuel Verschelde <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:stormi@laposte.net">stormi@laposte.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Of course yes, silly question !<br>
+<br>
+But how many use the kernel from the Core Updates Testing media ? It&#39;s an<br>
+update candidate (bugfix + security), and we would like to have it tested<br>
+<br>
+Just install it, reboot, check that there is no regression in your hardware<br>
+handling, and give us feedback on the bug report !<br>
+<br>
+If something goes well, no problem, you can still choose an older kernel from<br>
+the boot menu and report the problems you had in the bug report.<br>
+<br>
+The bug report: <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2642" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2642</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Alternatively, I&#39;d suggest using the same approach as Arch folks are doing - the one who installs the update candidate package, and it works for him, just replies with a:<br>Signed-Off for $ARCH<br>
+
+<br>(E.g., Signed-Off for i686; or Signed-Off for x86_64 - to indicate what architecture the update was tested on).<br><br>Not sure if this will spam the list a lot, but those are mine $0.02.. :) <br clear="all"></div></div>
+
+<br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br></a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
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+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1" color="#FFFFFF" style="font-size: 12px;">
+ Wolfgang Bornath<br />
+ <font size="-2" style="font-size: 11px;" >
+ männlich - 64 Jahre alt<br />
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+ <td style="font-size: 13px;" height="90" bgcolor="#efefef"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><font color="#bd0710" size="+2">Hi!</font><br />
+ <br />
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+  <br /> 
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+  <a href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyOTg3Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUnBjMk4xYzNOQWJXRm5aV2xoTG05eVp3X18lMjZ1aWQlM0QxNzM0NTk4NzQ_" style="font-family: Arial, helvetica, 'sans-serif'; color: #ffffff">
+  <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="+1" color="#FFFFFF">Verbinde dich mit Wolfgang</font>
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+ <br />
+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1" style="font-size: 13px;" color="#666666">
+ Hallo, <br />Wolfgang </font>
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+ <tr>
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+  <font color="#bd0710">Klick hier
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+  <font color="#bd0710">Click here
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
+<html>
+<head>
+ <title>Erhalte Zugang zu meinen Bildern und mehr</title>
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+<body>
+<table width="620" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="line-height:18px;">
+ <tr>
+ <td height="10" colspan="4" bgcolor="#303030">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td height="10" colspan="4">&nbsp;</td>
+ </tr>
+ <tr>
+ <td height="10" colspan="3" bgcolor="#303030">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td height="10" colspan="4" bgcolor="#efefef">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td height="10" colspan="1">&nbsp;</td>
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+ <tr>
+ <td width="30" height="90" bgcolor="#303030">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td width="115" height="90" valign="top" bgcolor="#303030">
+ <table width="86" border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-1" color="#FFFFFF" style="font-size: 12px;">
+ Wolfgang Bornath<br />
+ <font size="-2" style="font-size: 11px;" >
+ männlich - 64 Jahre alt<br />
+ Hessen</font></font><br /><br />
+ <br />
+ </td>
+ <td width="20" height="90" valign="top" bgcolor="#303030"><img src="http://s6.netlogstatic.com/v6.00/4098/s/i/mail/balloon-point.gif" width="20" height="55" align="top"></td>
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+ <td style="font-size: 13px;" height="90" bgcolor="#efefef"><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><font color="#bd0710" size="+2">Hi!</font><br />
+ <br />
+  Ich habe ein Netlog-Profil erstellt und möchte dir (mageia-discuss@mageia.org) Zugang zu meinen neuesten Bilder und mehr geben.
+  <br /> 
+ <br />
+ <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" bgcolor="#BD0710" background="http://s6.netlogstatic.com/v6.00/257745/s/i/mail/btn-gradient.gif">
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+  <a href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyOTg3Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUnBjMk4xYzNOQWJXRm5aV2xoTG05eVp3X18lMjZ1aWQlM0QxNzM0NTk4NzQ_" style="font-family: Arial, helvetica, 'sans-serif'; color: #ffffff">
+  <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="+1" color="#FFFFFF">Verbinde dich mit Wolfgang</font>
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+ <td width="10">&nbsp;</td>
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+ </tr>
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+ </tr>
+ <tr>
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+ <td colspan="4" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
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+ <td bgcolor="#FFFFFF">&nbsp;</td>
+ <td valign="top" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-2" color="#666666">
+ Wird der Button oben nicht korrekt gezeigt? <br />
+  Klick <a href="http://de.netlog.com/go/mailurl/-bT0xMzgyMjMyOTg3Jmw9MSZnbT0xMiZ1PSUyRmdvJTJGcmVnaXN0ZXIlMkZpZCUzRC1iV0ZuWldsaExXUnBjMk4xYzNOQWJXRm5aV2xoTG05eVp3X18lMjZ1aWQlM0QxNzM0NTk4NzQ_"><font color="#bd0710">here</font></a> oder kopiere den Link unten in die Adressleiste deines Browsers.<br />
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+  <br /><br /><br />
+ <br /><br />
+ <img src="http://s6.netlogstatic.com/v6.00/257745/s/i/mail/netlog-logo.gif" width="112" height="23" /><br /><br />
+ <font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="-2" color="#666666">
+ Möchtest du keine Einladungen von deinen Freunden mehr erhalten?
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+  <font color="#bd0710">Klick hier
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+  <font color="#bd0710">Click here
+ </font></a>.<br />
+  
+ <strong>Massive Media NV</strong> - E. Braunplein 18. B-9000 Gent. Belgium. <br />
+ BE0859635972 - 
+  <a href="mailto:abuse-de@netlog.com" style="color:#666666;">
+  <font color="#666666">abuse-de@netlog.com</font></a><br />
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+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 13 Sep 2011 07:15, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>Don&#39;t know the reason, maybe discuss with upstream?<br>
+<br>
+2011/9/13 Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;:<br>
+<p><font color="#500050">&gt; Since new libpng i was tryingto do a simple recompile of kde to void that<br>&gt; horrible message<br>&gt;<br>&gt; b...</font></p></blockquote></p>
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+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 13 Sep 2011 07:15, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:fundawang@gmail.com">fundawang@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>Don&#39;t know the reason, maybe discuss with upstream?<br>
+<br>
+2011/9/13 Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz &lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt;:<br>
+<p><font color="#500050">&gt; Since new libpng i was tryingto do a simple recompile of kde to void that<br>&gt; horrible message<br>&gt;<br>&gt; b...</font></p></blockquote></p>
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+<p>It could be in fact related to the new cmake.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 13 sept. 2011 00:59, &quot;Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution">&gt; Since new libpng i was tryingto do a simple recompile of kde to void that <br>
+&gt; horrible message<br>&gt; <br>&gt; but it seems that kdelibs4 has a pthread linking problem, does anyone knows <br>&gt; how to fix that?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; LD<br></div>
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+<p>It could be in fact related to the new cmake.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 13 sept. 2011 00:59, &quot;Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dlucio@okay.com.mx">dlucio@okay.com.mx</a>&gt; a écrit :<br type="attribution">&gt; Since new libpng i was tryingto do a simple recompile of kde to void that <br>
+&gt; horrible message<br>&gt; <br>&gt; but it seems that kdelibs4 has a pthread linking problem, does anyone knows <br>&gt; how to fix that?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; LD<br></div>
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+A friend of mine came across a similar problem some years ago. After some investigation what was happening was that he had a 64-bit installation but the plug-in was only available in 32 bits.<br><br>It was some years ago and, of course, it was not on Mageia, so this might not be your problem but, I guess, deserves a verification.<br>
+<br>HTH,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/16 Maxi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maximiliano.duarte@gmail.com">maximiliano.duarte@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+install the plugin, but keeps asking to install it.<br>
+2 days ago if it worked<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+No a la obsolecencia programada:<br>
+<a href="http://dimensionargentina.blogspot.com/2011/01/todo-esta-disenado-para-romperse.html" target="_blank">http://dimensionargentina.blogspot.com/2011/01/todo-esta-disenado-para-romperse.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Linux User #495070<br>
+<a href="http://miexperiencialinux.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://miexperiencialinux.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>
+El que pregunta aprende, y el que contesta aprende a responder.<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+A friend of mine came across a similar problem some years ago. After some investigation what was happening was that he had a 64-bit installation but the plug-in was only available in 32 bits.<br><br>It was some years ago and, of course, it was not on Mageia, so this might not be your problem but, I guess, deserves a verification.<br>
+<br>HTH,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/9/16 Maxi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:maximiliano.duarte@gmail.com">maximiliano.duarte@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+install the plugin, but keeps asking to install it.<br>
+2 days ago if it worked<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+No a la obsolecencia programada:<br>
+<a href="http://dimensionargentina.blogspot.com/2011/01/todo-esta-disenado-para-romperse.html" target="_blank">http://dimensionargentina.blogspot.com/2011/01/todo-esta-disenado-para-romperse.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Linux User #495070<br>
+<a href="http://miexperiencialinux.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://miexperiencialinux.blogspot.com/</a><br>
+<br>
+El que pregunta aprende, y el que contesta aprende a responder.<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 18/09/2011 17:27, Florian Hubold a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E760DC7.80904@arcor.de" type="cite">Am
+      17.09.2011 19:09, schrieb Thomas Lottmann:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Le 12/09/2011 20:26, Thomas Lottmann a
+        écrit :
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite">Le 04/09/2011 16:59, Patricia Fraser a
+          écrit :
+          <br>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <blockquote type="cite">Am 04.09.2011 16:28, schrieb Thomas
+              Lottmann:
+              <br>
+              <blockquote type="cite">I already tried several times this
+                option, does not change
+                <br>
+                anything. I have another HP printer here that seems to
+                print
+                <br>
+                quite fine, aside of little issues (especially bad
+                printing
+                <br>
+                quality).
+                <br>
+              </blockquote>
+              Maybe you could upload the output of hp-check -t and
+              hp-info -i
+              <br>
+              to some pastebin so you could compare it to somebody
+              else's output.
+              <br>
+              I'd help you further with this, but i haven't got any
+              printer
+              <br>
+              here :(
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            You could also try running hp-setup - see if it helps...
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            Pastes of my ouput are here:
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            hp-check -t: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/13M79uJ1">http://pastebin.com/13M79uJ1</a>
+            <br>
+            hp-info -i: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/tyHeMYCz">http://pastebin.com/tyHeMYCz</a>
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            Cheers!
+            <br>
+          </blockquote>
+          <br>
+          Hello,
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          My apologies for answering so late. I was overwhelmed.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Here are my logs. I do have errors.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          hp-check -t: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/zpKEdESu">http://pastebin.com/zpKEdESu</a>
+          <br>
+          hp-info -i: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/vN8nErFG">http://pastebin.com/vN8nErFG</a>
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          From now on, I still do not know what to do.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Thank you for your help.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Thomas.
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+        I had no answer to this mail. Does any one have a clue?
+        <br>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      Well, from your logs you still run the old hplip version.
+      <br>
+      Could you please rerun hp-check -r -t with the newer hplip?
+      <br>
+      The errors are mostly for compile-time dependencies, which
+      <br>
+      you don't need for running hplip. But seems there's a problem
+      <br>
+      with dbus on your box from the log.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Also /var/log/cups/error.log would be helpful.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Thank you. I am sending you this
+      tomorrow. I'm exhausted currently. </font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Le 18/09/2011 17:27, Florian Hubold a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E760DC7.80904@arcor.de" type="cite">Am
+      17.09.2011 19:09, schrieb Thomas Lottmann:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Le 12/09/2011 20:26, Thomas Lottmann a
+        écrit :
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite">Le 04/09/2011 16:59, Patricia Fraser a
+          écrit :
+          <br>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <blockquote type="cite">Am 04.09.2011 16:28, schrieb Thomas
+              Lottmann:
+              <br>
+              <blockquote type="cite">I already tried several times this
+                option, does not change
+                <br>
+                anything. I have another HP printer here that seems to
+                print
+                <br>
+                quite fine, aside of little issues (especially bad
+                printing
+                <br>
+                quality).
+                <br>
+              </blockquote>
+              Maybe you could upload the output of hp-check -t and
+              hp-info -i
+              <br>
+              to some pastebin so you could compare it to somebody
+              else's output.
+              <br>
+              I'd help you further with this, but i haven't got any
+              printer
+              <br>
+              here :(
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            You could also try running hp-setup - see if it helps...
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            Pastes of my ouput are here:
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            hp-check -t: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/13M79uJ1">http://pastebin.com/13M79uJ1</a>
+            <br>
+            hp-info -i: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/tyHeMYCz">http://pastebin.com/tyHeMYCz</a>
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            Cheers!
+            <br>
+          </blockquote>
+          <br>
+          Hello,
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          My apologies for answering so late. I was overwhelmed.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Here are my logs. I do have errors.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          hp-check -t: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/zpKEdESu">http://pastebin.com/zpKEdESu</a>
+          <br>
+          hp-info -i: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/vN8nErFG">http://pastebin.com/vN8nErFG</a>
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          From now on, I still do not know what to do.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Thank you for your help.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Thomas.
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+        I had no answer to this mail. Does any one have a clue?
+        <br>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      Well, from your logs you still run the old hplip version.
+      <br>
+      Could you please rerun hp-check -r -t with the newer hplip?
+      <br>
+      The errors are mostly for compile-time dependencies, which
+      <br>
+      you don't need for running hplip. But seems there's a problem
+      <br>
+      with dbus on your box from the log.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Also /var/log/cups/error.log would be helpful.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Thank you. I am sending you this
+      tomorrow. I'm exhausted currently. </font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hello,<br><br>how can I un subscribe from this group ?<br><br>Thanks<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>A+<br><br>Did<br>
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+Hello,<br><br>how can I un subscribe from this group ?<br><br>Thanks<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><br>A+<br><br>Did<br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 18/09/2011 17:27, Florian Hubold a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E760DC7.80904@arcor.de" type="cite">Am
+      17.09.2011 19:09, schrieb Thomas Lottmann:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Le 12/09/2011 20:26, Thomas Lottmann a
+        écrit :
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite">Le 04/09/2011 16:59, Patricia Fraser a
+          écrit :
+          <br>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <blockquote type="cite">Am 04.09.2011 16:28, schrieb Thomas
+              Lottmann:
+              <br>
+              <blockquote type="cite">I already tried several times this
+                option, does not change
+                <br>
+                anything. I have another HP printer here that seems to
+                print
+                <br>
+                quite fine, aside of little issues (especially bad
+                printing
+                <br>
+                quality).
+                <br>
+              </blockquote>
+              Maybe you could upload the output of hp-check -t and
+              hp-info -i
+              <br>
+              to some pastebin so you could compare it to somebody
+              else's output.
+              <br>
+              I'd help you further with this, but i haven't got any
+              printer
+              <br>
+              here :(
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            You could also try running hp-setup - see if it helps...
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            Pastes of my ouput are here:
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            hp-check -t: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/13M79uJ1">http://pastebin.com/13M79uJ1</a>
+            <br>
+            hp-info -i: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/tyHeMYCz">http://pastebin.com/tyHeMYCz</a>
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            Cheers!
+            <br>
+          </blockquote>
+          <br>
+          Hello,
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          My apologies for answering so late. I was overwhelmed.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Here are my logs. I do have errors.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          hp-check -t: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/zpKEdESu">http://pastebin.com/zpKEdESu</a>
+          <br>
+          hp-info -i: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/vN8nErFG">http://pastebin.com/vN8nErFG</a>
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          From now on, I still do not know what to do.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Thank you for your help.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Thomas.
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+        I had no answer to this mail. Does any one have a clue?
+        <br>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      Well, from your logs you still run the old hplip version.
+      <br>
+      Could you please rerun hp-check -r -t with the newer hplip?
+      <br>
+      The errors are mostly for compile-time dependencies, which
+      <br>
+      you don't need for running hplip. But seems there's a problem
+      <br>
+      with dbus on your box from the log.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Also /var/log/cups/error.log would be helpful.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">My apologies for the delay. <br>
+      <br>
+      Here are my logs for the HP Photosmart 7150 : <br>
+      <br>
+      hp-check : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/u1DHC4xV">http://pastebin.com/u1DHC4xV</a><br>
+      <br>
+      access log : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/2MWD89ai">http://pastebin.com/2MWD89ai</a><br>
+      <br>
+      ./cups/error.log : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/r9XXc0SS">http://pastebin.com/r9XXc0SS</a><br>
+      <br>
+      Thank you for your help. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <title></title>
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Le 18/09/2011 17:27, Florian Hubold a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E760DC7.80904@arcor.de" type="cite">Am
+      17.09.2011 19:09, schrieb Thomas Lottmann:
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">Le 12/09/2011 20:26, Thomas Lottmann a
+        écrit :
+        <br>
+        <blockquote type="cite">Le 04/09/2011 16:59, Patricia Fraser a
+          écrit :
+          <br>
+          <blockquote type="cite">
+            <blockquote type="cite">Am 04.09.2011 16:28, schrieb Thomas
+              Lottmann:
+              <br>
+              <blockquote type="cite">I already tried several times this
+                option, does not change
+                <br>
+                anything. I have another HP printer here that seems to
+                print
+                <br>
+                quite fine, aside of little issues (especially bad
+                printing
+                <br>
+                quality).
+                <br>
+              </blockquote>
+              Maybe you could upload the output of hp-check -t and
+              hp-info -i
+              <br>
+              to some pastebin so you could compare it to somebody
+              else's output.
+              <br>
+              I'd help you further with this, but i haven't got any
+              printer
+              <br>
+              here :(
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            You could also try running hp-setup - see if it helps...
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            Pastes of my ouput are here:
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            hp-check -t: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/13M79uJ1">http://pastebin.com/13M79uJ1</a>
+            <br>
+            hp-info -i: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/tyHeMYCz">http://pastebin.com/tyHeMYCz</a>
+            <br>
+            <br>
+            Cheers!
+            <br>
+          </blockquote>
+          <br>
+          Hello,
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          My apologies for answering so late. I was overwhelmed.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Here are my logs. I do have errors.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          hp-check -t: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/zpKEdESu">http://pastebin.com/zpKEdESu</a>
+          <br>
+          hp-info -i: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/vN8nErFG">http://pastebin.com/vN8nErFG</a>
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          From now on, I still do not know what to do.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Thank you for your help.
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          Thomas.
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+        I had no answer to this mail. Does any one have a clue?
+        <br>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      Well, from your logs you still run the old hplip version.
+      <br>
+      Could you please rerun hp-check -r -t with the newer hplip?
+      <br>
+      The errors are mostly for compile-time dependencies, which
+      <br>
+      you don't need for running hplip. But seems there's a problem
+      <br>
+      with dbus on your box from the log.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Also /var/log/cups/error.log would be helpful.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">My apologies for the delay. <br>
+      <br>
+      Here are my logs for the HP Photosmart 7150 : <br>
+      <br>
+      hp-check : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/u1DHC4xV">http://pastebin.com/u1DHC4xV</a><br>
+      <br>
+      access log : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/2MWD89ai">http://pastebin.com/2MWD89ai</a><br>
+      <br>
+      ./cups/error.log : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/r9XXc0SS">http://pastebin.com/r9XXc0SS</a><br>
+      <br>
+      Thank you for your help. <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a> team. I am<br>
+writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+repositories.<br>
+<br>
+We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+<br>
+Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in this way:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>Cheers!
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110930/b03d6f3e/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20110930/b03d6f3e/attachment.html
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+Hello!<br>
+<br>
+My name is Joaquin, belonging to <a href="http://blogdrake.net/" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net</a> team. I am<br>
+writing to you because I would like to let you know that we have<br>
+created a repository with a big amount of good programs for Mageia.<br>
+Our final target is to upload all of them to the official Mageia&#39;s<br>
+repositories.<br>
+<br>
+We are currently uploading all these packages to the Mageia&#39;s BS step<br>
+by step, because there are few people of us to do so. Also, also we<br>
+don&#39;t have too much time because we also take care of Blogdrake,<br>
+Mageia&#39;s news and the translations English to Spanish.<br>
+<br>
+Meanwhile, you can use and enjoy our repository in this way:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/i586</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>The x86_64 repository is not finished yet, but you still can add it in this way:<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+urpmi.addmedia --wget --distrib <a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64" target="_blank">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/x86_64</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>Cheers!
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+First of all, thank you to everyone for all your comments and interest! <br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt;Samuel Verschelde:<br><br>&gt;Great, I really like it when user communities get involved directly in the<br>
+&gt;project rather than doing everything outside ! :)<br><br>We are very glad in blogdrake to help a distribution with such good<br>intentions as Mageia, so we wish all its success. <br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+&gt;Jos� Jorge:<br><br>&gt;Good. And at first, I suggest you remove everything that is already in Mageia<br>&gt;repos as updates : smc, cegui, etc.<br>&gt;Keeping them will just add mess.<br><br>All the programmes of my repository has been checked:<br>
+- The packages are not in Cauldron.<br>- They are updated to the latest version.<br>- They have been checked the licences and written in file spec.<br>- Installed and run (in Mageia 1).<br>- Checked with rpmlint and cleaned file specs to verify the conditions of rpmlint.<br>
+(Everything in Mageia 1, not in Cauldron yet)<br><br>The result of this work is the following list:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br>
+<br>Also with the directory of srpms:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</a><br><br>I&#39;ve uploaded to BS already the first 2 programmes (flaw y fimount) with the help of<br>
+my mentor Juan Luis Baptiste (aka Juancho) and we want to continue with this work.<br><br>All your collaboration to get the final step, would be Welcome:<br>- Try to pack all these packages in Cauldron <br>- Upload to BS <br>
+There are many packages and it is too much work for one person.<br><br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>&gt;Philipe Didier<br><br>&gt;Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;<a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>&gt;<a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+<br>Thanks! The right URL is the one you show.<br><br>&gt;First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>&gt;to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>&gt;repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br><br>The main target of this repository is to have the major quantity of these Programmes in Mageia 2 and, in the meanwhile, to have a repository in which the users of Mageia can enjoy of a lot of programmes, wanting to use the distribution more and more.<br>
+<br>Frankly, I don&#39;t agree the policy of MIB. Even, MIB declared openly that it doesn&#39;t like Mageia (see the official website)<br><br>I tried to avoid packing libraries (compatiblity problems), so I have just packed only the neccesary libraries� to do some programmes work <br>
+<br>&gt;The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>&gt;with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>&gt;In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>&gt;libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>&gt;provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>&gt;If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br><br>Then I&#39;m not going to upload any programme which use faac to BS, until a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2 (audiokonverter y cinelerra will wait) ;-)<br>
+<br>I have a list of all the packages in which I show the license of each packages to avoid making mistakes with licenses:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br>
+<br>Also with the directory of srpms:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</a><br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>&gt;Jos� Jorge:<br><br>&gt;hi, I am packaging games in mageia, so maybe I can help bring faster blogdrake<br>&gt;repos. Is there a way to say which packages I start working on?<br><br>My friend GregoryBravas (admin from <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a>) created a post with all <br>
+the games in blogdrake repository. I think you should visit it before packing yourself, <br>to avoid any extra-work! <br><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake">http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake</a><br>
+<br>Also see the previous list:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>In my blog you also can see the emulators (games) packed for Mageia:<br>
+<a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/</a><br>(The blue list on the right at the end)<br><br>I take the advantage to thank Bravas for all his help packing all these games<br>and much more programmes!! ;-)<br>
+<br>Best Regards,<br>Joaquin<br><br>
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+First of all, thank you to everyone for all your comments and interest! <br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>&gt;Samuel Verschelde:<br><br>&gt;Great, I really like it when user communities get involved directly in the<br>
+&gt;project rather than doing everything outside ! :)<br><br>We are very glad in blogdrake to help a distribution with such good<br>intentions as Mageia, so we wish all its success. <br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+&gt;Jos� Jorge:<br><br>&gt;Good. And at first, I suggest you remove everything that is already in Mageia<br>&gt;repos as updates : smc, cegui, etc.<br>&gt;Keeping them will just add mess.<br><br>All the programmes of my repository has been checked:<br>
+- The packages are not in Cauldron.<br>- They are updated to the latest version.<br>- They have been checked the licences and written in file spec.<br>- Installed and run (in Mageia 1).<br>- Checked with rpmlint and cleaned file specs to verify the conditions of rpmlint.<br>
+(Everything in Mageia 1, not in Cauldron yet)<br><br>The result of this work is the following list:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br>
+<br>Also with the directory of srpms:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</a><br><br>I&#39;ve uploaded to BS already the first 2 programmes (flaw y fimount) with the help of<br>
+my mentor Juan Luis Baptiste (aka Juancho) and we want to continue with this work.<br><br>All your collaboration to get the final step, would be Welcome:<br>- Try to pack all these packages in Cauldron <br>- Upload to BS <br>
+There are many packages and it is too much work for one person.<br><br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>&gt;Philipe Didier<br><br>&gt;Just one thing to correct : your repos addresses are :<br>
+&gt;<a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/i586/</a><br>&gt;<a href="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mageia/mageia1/free/x86_64/</a><br>
+<br>Thanks! The right URL is the one you show.<br><br>&gt;First thing I must say : it&#39;s a very good idea to upload these packages<br>&gt;to the BS and join the packagers team instead of providing third party<br>&gt;repos that will soon create compatibility problems (as in the past for<br>
+&gt;Mandrake and Mandriva with Thac&#39;s or MIB or others)<br><br>The main target of this repository is to have the major quantity of these Programmes in Mageia 2 and, in the meanwhile, to have a repository in which the users of Mageia can enjoy of a lot of programmes, wanting to use the distribution more and more.<br>
+<br>Frankly, I don&#39;t agree the policy of MIB. Even, MIB declared openly that it doesn&#39;t like Mageia (see the official website)<br><br>I tried to avoid packing libraries (compatiblity problems), so I have just packed only the neccesary libraries� to do some programmes work <br>
+<br>&gt;The second thing is : before uploading them you will have to be careful<br>&gt;with the repos policy (core tainted non-free)<br>&gt;In your own repo, there is a problematic package : faac (and libfaac0<br>&gt;libfaac-devel) which is both non-free and tainted ...<br>
+&gt;After long dicussions on the mailing list a meeting decision was not to<br>&gt;provide it at the moment (nor the packages built with it...)<br>&gt;If a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2, in the future, it<br>
+&gt;will be then allowed ... wait and see !<br><br>Then I&#39;m not going to upload any programme which use faac to BS, until a non-free-&amp;-tainted repo is created for Mageia2 (audiokonverter y cinelerra will wait) ;-)<br>
+<br>I have a list of all the packages in which I show the license of each packages to avoid making mistakes with licenses:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br>
+<br>Also with the directory of srpms:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin</a><br><br>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+<br>&gt;Jos� Jorge:<br><br>&gt;hi, I am packaging games in mageia, so maybe I can help bring faster blogdrake<br>&gt;repos. Is there a way to say which packages I start working on?<br><br>My friend GregoryBravas (admin from <a href="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</a>) created a post with all <br>
+the games in blogdrake repository. I think you should visit it before packing yourself, <br>to avoid any extra-work! <br><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake">http://blogdrake.net/blog/bravas/juegos-para-mageia1-en-el-repositorio-de-blogdrake</a><br>
+<br>Also see the previous list:<br><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/incoming/MGA/joaquin/mageia.txt</a><br><br>In my blog you also can see the emulators (games) packed for Mageia:<br>
+<a href="http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/">http://blogmageia.wordpress.com/</a><br>(The blue list on the right at the end)<br><br>I take the advantage to thank Bravas for all his help packing all these games<br>and much more programmes!! ;-)<br>
+<br>Best Regards,<br>Joaquin<br><br>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    Le 28/09/2011 13:54, Claire Robinson a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E830AE1.7050006@gmail.com" type="cite">
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <blockquote type="cite">I've prepared an update candidate which
+          fixes this regression and
+          <br>
+          additionally contains fixes for two other unrelated crashes.
+          <br>
+          As you are the one with the only affected model so far, i'd
+          like
+          <br>
+          to ask you if you could please help validating the update
+          candidate.
+          <br>
+          This one is it: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2816">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2816</a>
+          <br>
+          Instructions for testing can be found here:
+          <br>
+          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates</a>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+        Thank you. I am looking at this tonight.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      They are quite basic instructions on the old wiki, the new
+      improved wiki is being worked on now.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      In short, you need to be able to update from the Core Updates
+      Testing media which is not generally desirable so is disabled by
+      default. To be able to select Core Updates Testing as an update
+      media you need to use "expert" mode.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      To do so, as root, use: drakrpm-edit-media --expert
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      You can then place a tick in the Updates and Enable columns for
+      Core Updates Testing.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      You might get an error to do with a new msec/sectool at the moment
+      when you go to update, you can safely ignore it.  Don't update
+      with everything from testing, just update the relevant hplip
+      packages it offers.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      When you have updated them, remember to disable the Core Updates
+      Testing media.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Hope that helps!
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Claire
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Pong. :)<br>
+      <br>
+      Sorry for the delay. <br>
+      <br>
+      I installed the HPLIP and it's GUI packages from Core updates
+      (manual installation since the testing version of rpm was
+      compulsory). <br>
+      <br>
+      However, when I print the test pages from systen-config-printer or
+      HPLIP's interface, he still prints me a big black square. It does
+      the same when I print a Writer .odt document. <br>
+      <br>
+      When I click on 'Cancel' to cancel the printing in the
+      system-config-printer task list, it <u>does not cancel</u> the
+      printing. To do so, I have to press the 'Cancel' button on the
+      printer make it actually stop printing. <br>
+      <br>
+      Here are the links to the logs : <br>
+      <br>
+      HP-check -r -t : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/QaBUKHzU">http://pastebin.com/QaBUKHzU</a><br>
+      <br>
+      error_log and acces_log : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/ZjbJsPzG">http://pastebin.com/ZjbJsPzG</a><br>
+      <br>
+      The testing packages I have installed are the following, as you
+      have told me : <br>
+      <br>
+      <b>hplip-3.11.7-1.2.mga1.x86_64.rpm<br>
+      </b>and<br>
+      <b>hplip-gui-3.11.7-1.2.mga1.x86_64.rpm</b><br>
+      <br>
+      I hope this helps. <br>
+      <br>
+      Cheers, <br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+      <br>
+      I hope this offers you some clues. <br>
+      <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
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+    Le 28/09/2011 13:54, Claire Robinson a écrit :
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4E830AE1.7050006@gmail.com" type="cite">
+      <blockquote type="cite">
+        <blockquote type="cite">I've prepared an update candidate which
+          fixes this regression and
+          <br>
+          additionally contains fixes for two other unrelated crashes.
+          <br>
+          As you are the one with the only affected model so far, i'd
+          like
+          <br>
+          to ask you if you could please help validating the update
+          candidate.
+          <br>
+          This one is it: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2816">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2816</a>
+          <br>
+          Instructions for testing can be found here:
+          <br>
+          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=qa_updates</a>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <br>
+        Thank you. I am looking at this tonight.
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      They are quite basic instructions on the old wiki, the new
+      improved wiki is being worked on now.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      In short, you need to be able to update from the Core Updates
+      Testing media which is not generally desirable so is disabled by
+      default. To be able to select Core Updates Testing as an update
+      media you need to use "expert" mode.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      To do so, as root, use: drakrpm-edit-media --expert
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      You can then place a tick in the Updates and Enable columns for
+      Core Updates Testing.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      You might get an error to do with a new msec/sectool at the moment
+      when you go to update, you can safely ignore it.  Don't update
+      with everything from testing, just update the relevant hplip
+      packages it offers.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      When you have updated them, remember to disable the Core Updates
+      Testing media.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Hope that helps!
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Claire
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <font face="Liberation Sans">Pong. :)<br>
+      <br>
+      Sorry for the delay. <br>
+      <br>
+      I installed the HPLIP and it's GUI packages from Core updates
+      (manual installation since the testing version of rpm was
+      compulsory). <br>
+      <br>
+      However, when I print the test pages from systen-config-printer or
+      HPLIP's interface, he still prints me a big black square. It does
+      the same when I print a Writer .odt document. <br>
+      <br>
+      When I click on 'Cancel' to cancel the printing in the
+      system-config-printer task list, it <u>does not cancel</u> the
+      printing. To do so, I have to press the 'Cancel' button on the
+      printer make it actually stop printing. <br>
+      <br>
+      Here are the links to the logs : <br>
+      <br>
+      HP-check -r -t : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/QaBUKHzU">http://pastebin.com/QaBUKHzU</a><br>
+      <br>
+      error_log and acces_log : <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pastebin.com/ZjbJsPzG">http://pastebin.com/ZjbJsPzG</a><br>
+      <br>
+      The testing packages I have installed are the following, as you
+      have told me : <br>
+      <br>
+      <b>hplip-3.11.7-1.2.mga1.x86_64.rpm<br>
+      </b>and<br>
+      <b>hplip-gui-3.11.7-1.2.mga1.x86_64.rpm</b><br>
+      <br>
+      I hope this helps. <br>
+      <br>
+      Cheers, <br>
+      <br>
+      Thomas aka Skiper. <br>
+      <br>
+      I hope this offers you some clues. <br>
+      <br>
+    </font>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 15:21, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Antoine Pitrou skrev <a href="tel:3.10.2011" value="+13102011" target="_blank">3.10.2011</a> 20:50:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I am considering buying an Intel Sandy Bridge-based laptop (a Lenovo<br>
+X121e) and I am wondering whether Mageia 1 (not Cauldron) works ok with<br>
+it, especially the integrated GPU. The CPU+GPU is apparently a Core<br>
+i3-2357M. Does anyone have any feedback?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Yes. we made sure we had all parts of the Intel Sandy Bridge support<br>
+added to Mageia 1 according to Intel Specs at:<br>
+<a href="http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2011Q1.html" target="_blank">http://intellinuxgraphics.org/<u></u>2011Q1.html</a><br>
+<br>
+And it was tested on several Sandy Bridge based desktops and laptops,<br>
+to verify it works.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yeah, it should work just fine. Mageia Cauldron is in sync with 2011Q3 as well, so you shouldn&#39;t have any problems. <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br>
+
+</a><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 15:21, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Antoine Pitrou skrev <a href="tel:3.10.2011" value="+13102011" target="_blank">3.10.2011</a> 20:50:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I am considering buying an Intel Sandy Bridge-based laptop (a Lenovo<br>
+X121e) and I am wondering whether Mageia 1 (not Cauldron) works ok with<br>
+it, especially the integrated GPU. The CPU+GPU is apparently a Core<br>
+i3-2357M. Does anyone have any feedback?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Yes. we made sure we had all parts of the Intel Sandy Bridge support<br>
+added to Mageia 1 according to Intel Specs at:<br>
+<a href="http://intellinuxgraphics.org/2011Q1.html" target="_blank">http://intellinuxgraphics.org/<u></u>2011Q1.html</a><br>
+<br>
+And it was tested on several Sandy Bridge based desktops and laptops,<br>
+to verify it works.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yeah, it should work just fine. Mageia Cauldron is in sync with 2011Q3 as well, so you shouldn&#39;t have any problems. <br clear="all"></div></div><br>-- <br>Eugeni Dodonov<a href="http://eugeni.dodonov.net/" target="_blank"><br>
+
+</a><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mardi 4 octobre 2011 17:46:24, Juergen Harms a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 09/16/2011 01:29 PM, philippe makowski wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; You may know it or not, many packages have no maintainer.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; isn't time to set up teams ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I did not keep the original message - what has happened in the meantime?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - has the goal concerning the number of maintainers been reached?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The actual Goal is 0 unmaintained packages. We managed to drop it from approximatively 5000 to 2900, not bad but not enough yet.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - is CERBERUS still on a thick chain of tungsten (I hope!)?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, this is the kind of solution that would happen only when everything else has been tried, I think.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - what about the list of packages and their state of maintenance?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - is there any follow-up?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You'll find everything in the mageia-dev mailing list archives, I post regular reports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This issue is essential for the future of Mageia - Mageia must have a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; list of maintained packages that compares favourably to its competitor</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; distros. I just saw a recent comment to bug 278: &quot; ... drakx-net does</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not have a maintainer ...&quot; - drakx food for Cerberos??? I think the idea</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to shout for new maintainers was excellent, and should be iterated. How</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; about leaning on Mageia users that have competence, but are - so far -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not actively involved? Magiea is a community distro!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, the ultimate solution is to have more and more contributers, of course, we're already doing it with the mentoring program, but if you have ideas that you can apply to find more, please do :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Could there be more information for such techy-newbies to motivate them,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; help them to jump down from the fence? Tell them what effort, what</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; competence, what responsibility is implied by signing up? That is a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; long-term initiative! Nobody will reasonable start and immediately pick</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; up tons of packages, I started with 2 (well, one of them is a set of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; packages). But only once I feel safe with that initial commitment I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; could consider taking more (which means a couple of months from now).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, that's reasonable. The new wiki should be up soon, that kind of document will find its place there.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I realize, Mageia is doing exceedingly well, and there is no need to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; dramatize the situation - but it is not me who invented Cerberos ... And</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the people who did Mageia 1 should have their hands free for doing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia 2 rather than polishing up old stuff.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't understand this last sentence. Do you mean we shouldn't maintain Mageia 1? I think this is not what you mean, but then I don't understand.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel Verschelde</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le mardi 4 octobre 2011 17:46:24, Juergen Harms a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 09/16/2011 01:29 PM, philippe makowski wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; You may know it or not, many packages have no maintainer.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; isn't time to set up teams ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I did not keep the original message - what has happened in the meantime?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - has the goal concerning the number of maintainers been reached?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The actual Goal is 0 unmaintained packages. We managed to drop it from approximatively 5000 to 2900, not bad but not enough yet.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - is CERBERUS still on a thick chain of tungsten (I hope!)?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, this is the kind of solution that would happen only when everything else has been tried, I think.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - what about the list of packages and their state of maintenance?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; - is there any follow-up?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You'll find everything in the mageia-dev mailing list archives, I post regular reports.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This issue is essential for the future of Mageia - Mageia must have a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; list of maintained packages that compares favourably to its competitor</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; distros. I just saw a recent comment to bug 278: &quot; ... drakx-net does</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not have a maintainer ...&quot; - drakx food for Cerberos??? I think the idea</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to shout for new maintainers was excellent, and should be iterated. How</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; about leaning on Mageia users that have competence, but are - so far -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; not actively involved? Magiea is a community distro!</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, the ultimate solution is to have more and more contributers, of course, we're already doing it with the mentoring program, but if you have ideas that you can apply to find more, please do :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Could there be more information for such techy-newbies to motivate them,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; help them to jump down from the fence? Tell them what effort, what</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; competence, what responsibility is implied by signing up? That is a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; long-term initiative! Nobody will reasonable start and immediately pick</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; up tons of packages, I started with 2 (well, one of them is a set of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; packages). But only once I feel safe with that initial commitment I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; could consider taking more (which means a couple of months from now).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, that's reasonable. The new wiki should be up soon, that kind of document will find its place there.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I realize, Mageia is doing exceedingly well, and there is no need to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; dramatize the situation - but it is not me who invented Cerberos ... And</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the people who did Mageia 1 should have their hands free for doing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia 2 rather than polishing up old stuff.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't understand this last sentence. Do you mean we shouldn't maintain Mageia 1? I think this is not what you mean, but then I don't understand.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Best regards</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Samuel Verschelde</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Dont forget openvpn<br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Kira &lt;elegant.pegasus@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>ftg@roadrunner.com, Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>miércoles 05 de octubre de 2011 02:25:09 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-discuss] Is there any VPN server package for Mageia?<br><br></div>在 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:20:56 +0800, Frank Griffin <ftg@roadrunner.com>寫道:<br>> Installing ipsec-tools will get you software that acts as both client  <br>> and server.  It uses support in the 2.6 kernels to establish a VPN  <br>> without creating a virtual network interface.  You use /etc/ipsec.conf  <br>> to describe the subnets for the local and remote sides of the VPN, as  <br>> well as the remote side's external IP address.  The kernel establishes  <br>> the TCP session to the VPN, and silently redirects any traffic aimed at  <br>> the remote VPN from the active network interface, e.g. eth0, wlan0, to  <br>> the VPN session.<br>><br>> The package also includes racoon, which does IPSec key management.<br>><br>> If you need them, I can give you some sample conf files.  Mail me  <br>> privately.<br>As a subject, do you have proper support of ipSec in Drakconnect?<br><br>I had seen request about PPTP in the old time but not implemented,<br><br>do we have any project to implement these two into drakconnect or<br><br>let people willing to use these 2 use NetworkManager?<br></blockquote></body></html>
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+<html><head><style type="text/css">body {word-wrap: break-word; background-color:#ffffff;}</style></head><body><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 16px">Dont forget openvpn<br><br><font face="sans-serif"><span style="font-size: 14px"><i><font color="#333333">Enviado desde mi tel&#233;fono Verizon Wireless</font></i></span></font></div><br><br>-----Mensaje original-----<br><blockquote style="; border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"><div style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 14px"><b>De: </b>Kira &lt;elegant.pegasus@gmail.com&gt;<b><br>Para: </b>ftg@roadrunner.com, Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<b><br>Enviado: </b>miércoles 05 de octubre de 2011 02:25:09 GMT+00:00<b><br>Asunto: </b>Re: [Mageia-discuss] Is there any VPN server package for Mageia?<br><br></div>在 Wed, 05 Oct 2011 10:20:56 +0800, Frank Griffin <ftg@roadrunner.com>寫道:<br>> Installing ipsec-tools will get you software that acts as both client  <br>> and server.  It uses support in the 2.6 kernels to establish a VPN  <br>> without creating a virtual network interface.  You use /etc/ipsec.conf  <br>> to describe the subnets for the local and remote sides of the VPN, as  <br>> well as the remote side's external IP address.  The kernel establishes  <br>> the TCP session to the VPN, and silently redirects any traffic aimed at  <br>> the remote VPN from the active network interface, e.g. eth0, wlan0, to  <br>> the VPN session.<br>><br>> The package also includes racoon, which does IPSec key management.<br>><br>> If you need them, I can give you some sample conf files.  Mail me  <br>> privately.<br>As a subject, do you have proper support of ipSec in Drakconnect?<br><br>I had seen request about PPTP in the old time but not implemented,<br><br>do we have any project to implement these two into drakconnect or<br><br>let people willing to use these 2 use NetworkManager?<br></blockquote></body></html>
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+If &quot;you&quot; (the user) have any experience with linux you should allready know what the specific button would really do ;)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 October 2011 17:34, Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On 10/09/2011 08:13 AM, Romain d&#39;Alverny wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Even better, an installation process that does not need (or needs less) online help.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Please, no. �You need to have really excellent and detailed help during install, because install can be a scary time for users, especially if the machine already has data on it, e.g. &quot;what is clicking on this button *really* going to do to my partitions ?&quot;.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+The goal should be rather that the user has less or no *need* to look at the help. �But it needs to be there for safety and comfort.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+If &quot;you&quot; (the user) have any experience with linux you should allready know what the specific button would really do ;)<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 October 2011 17:34, Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="im">On 10/09/2011 08:13 AM, Romain d&#39;Alverny wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Even better, an installation process that does not need (or needs less) online help.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Please, no. �You need to have really excellent and detailed help during install, because install can be a scary time for users, especially if the machine already has data on it, e.g. &quot;what is clicking on this button *really* going to do to my partitions ?&quot;.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+The goal should be rather that the user has less or no *need* to look at the help. �But it needs to be there for safety and comfort.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+you&#39;ve got to be kidding me...<br><br>SPAM?! HERE?! :-|<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2011 18:42, genomega <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:genomega@earthlink.net">genomega@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">hello! <a href="http://seckin.tv/life.html?afriend=56y8" target="_blank">http://seckin.tv/life.html?afriend=56y8</a><br>
+
+
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+you&#39;ve got to be kidding me...<br><br>SPAM?! HERE?! :-|<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2011 18:42, genomega <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:genomega@earthlink.net">genomega@earthlink.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">hello! <a href="http://seckin.tv/life.html?afriend=56y8" target="_blank">http://seckin.tv/life.html?afriend=56y8</a><br>
+
+
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/12 Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Could you please try to remove all hplip and cups packages,<br>
+clear your /etc/cups/printers.conf and reinstall cups, and try a manual<br>
+install of hplip according to <a href="http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/other.html" target="_blank">http://hplipopensource.com/<u></u>hplip-web/install/manual/<u></u>distros/other.html</a><br>
+This would rule if the problem could be in our packages.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>I&#39;ll do this soon.</div><div><br></div><div>I have tested with another installation of up-to-date Mageia done on an external disk (another hard drive I used for work). It prints fine. So it may possibly not come from the Mageia packages, but would rather come from a quirk somewhere is the system, as another disk with Mageia does install the printer and print without any issue a test page.�</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/12 Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+
+Could you please try to remove all hplip and cups packages,<br>
+clear your /etc/cups/printers.conf and reinstall cups, and try a manual<br>
+install of hplip according to <a href="http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/other.html" target="_blank">http://hplipopensource.com/<u></u>hplip-web/install/manual/<u></u>distros/other.html</a><br>
+This would rule if the problem could be in our packages.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><div>I&#39;ll do this soon.</div><div><br></div><div>I have tested with another installation of up-to-date Mageia done on an external disk (another hard drive I used for work). It prints fine. So it may possibly not come from the Mageia packages, but would rather come from a quirk somewhere is the system, as another disk with Mageia does install the printer and print without any issue a test page.�</div>
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>I send an ultimate distress signal about this :�<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712</a></div><div><br></div><div>Once again I am having this bug that can occur on any WPA hotspot my laptops can connect to. But now, I cannot work in my�development�environment for more than one day because he refuses connect me to the hotspot I need to connect to.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Since I got no answer since I opened the bug, as asked previously in this ML, I now cry for help about this. This seriously affects the work I have to complete everyday (I know I have the printer thing as well to answer and solve) and I just cannot do anything about this except really endangering my laptop currently, in the absence of progress concerning this extremely annoying bug.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Tell me what I should do, I shall answer you very quickly and give the answers I am able to fetch if you tell me what is precisely needed.�</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you very much by advance.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thomas aka Skiper.�</div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+Hello,<div><br></div><div>I send an ultimate distress signal about this :�<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712</a></div><div><br></div><div>Once again I am having this bug that can occur on any WPA hotspot my laptops can connect to. But now, I cannot work in my�development�environment for more than one day because he refuses connect me to the hotspot I need to connect to.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Since I got no answer since I opened the bug, as asked previously in this ML, I now cry for help about this. This seriously affects the work I have to complete everyday (I know I have the printer thing as well to answer and solve) and I just cannot do anything about this except really endangering my laptop currently, in the absence of progress concerning this extremely annoying bug.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Tell me what I should do, I shall answer you very quickly and give the answers I am able to fetch if you tell me what is precisely needed.�</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you very much by advance.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Thomas aka Skiper.�</div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5">On 12/10/11 09:16, Thomas Lottmann wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I send an ultimate distress signal about this :<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=2712</a><br>
+<br>
+Once again I am having this bug that can occur on any WPA hotspot my<br>
+laptops can connect to. But now, I cannot work in<br>
+my development environment for more than one day because he refuses<br>
+connect me to the hotspot I need to connect to.<br>
+<br>
+Since I got no answer since I opened the bug, as asked previously in<br>
+this ML, I now cry for help about this. This seriously affects the work<br>
+I have to complete everyday (I know I have the printer thing as well to<br>
+answer and solve) and I just cannot do anything about this except really<br>
+endangering my laptop currently, in the absence of progress concerning<br>
+this extremely annoying bug.<br>
+<br>
+Tell me what I should do, I shall answer you very quickly and give the<br>
+answers I am able to fetch if you tell me what is precisely needed.<br>
+<br>
+Thank you very much by advance.<br>
+<br>
+Thomas aka Skiper.<br>
+</blockquote>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">2011/10/12 Robert Wood�<span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:robert.wood@apostrophe.co.uk">robert.wood@apostrophe.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
+Is it a DCHP issue? If you use a fixed IP address does the problem go away? I used to have real issues with Mandriva a few years ago until I changed the DHCP client in the network setup. Might be worth a try - might be talking ********!</blockquote>
+<div><br></div><div>Nope, still would not work. And still, it has been working fine for one week before he did me this again without needing a fixed IP.�</div><div><br></div><div>Note that I can connect to other wireless hotspots, opened or close, but not the only one I need to. And my ids are supposed to be all good. And it is the only hotspot where he mixes up config files, sometimes telling me it is open while there is an Enteprise WPA2 key.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>He also keeps my ids instead of deleting them even if I delete the wireless connection to create it again.�</div></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div class="h5">On 12/10/11 09:16, Thomas Lottmann wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I send an ultimate distress signal about this :<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2712" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_<u></u>bug.cgi?id=2712</a><br>
+<br>
+Once again I am having this bug that can occur on any WPA hotspot my<br>
+laptops can connect to. But now, I cannot work in<br>
+my development environment for more than one day because he refuses<br>
+connect me to the hotspot I need to connect to.<br>
+<br>
+Since I got no answer since I opened the bug, as asked previously in<br>
+this ML, I now cry for help about this. This seriously affects the work<br>
+I have to complete everyday (I know I have the printer thing as well to<br>
+answer and solve) and I just cannot do anything about this except really<br>
+endangering my laptop currently, in the absence of progress concerning<br>
+this extremely annoying bug.<br>
+<br>
+Tell me what I should do, I shall answer you very quickly and give the<br>
+answers I am able to fetch if you tell me what is precisely needed.<br>
+<br>
+Thank you very much by advance.<br>
+<br>
+Thomas aka Skiper.<br>
+</blockquote>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">2011/10/12 Robert Wood�<span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:robert.wood@apostrophe.co.uk">robert.wood@apostrophe.co.uk</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; ">
+Is it a DCHP issue? If you use a fixed IP address does the problem go away? I used to have real issues with Mandriva a few years ago until I changed the DHCP client in the network setup. Might be worth a try - might be talking ********!</blockquote>
+<div><br></div><div>Nope, still would not work. And still, it has been working fine for one week before he did me this again without needing a fixed IP.�</div><div><br></div><div>Note that I can connect to other wireless hotspots, opened or close, but not the only one I need to. And my ids are supposed to be all good. And it is the only hotspot where he mixes up config files, sometimes telling me it is open while there is an Enteprise WPA2 key.�</div>
+<div><br></div><div>He also keeps my ids instead of deleting them even if I delete the wireless connection to create it again.�</div></div>
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+<p>If the 32-bit Live-iso doesn&#39;t do the trick, insert the 64-bit Live-iso.<br>
+Den 15 okt 2011 15:12 skrev &quot;Renaud (Ron) Olgiati&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Given an box, with no OS installed, what would be the simplest/easiest way for<br>
+&gt; a non-expert user to know whether it is 32 bits or 64 bits ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; TIA,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ron.<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;                   Immortality -- a fate worse than death.<br>
+&gt;                                        -- Edgar A. Shoaff<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+<p>If the 32-bit Live-iso doesn&#39;t do the trick, insert the 64-bit Live-iso.<br>
+Den 15 okt 2011 15:12 skrev &quot;Renaud (Ron) Olgiati&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Given an box, with no OS installed, what would be the simplest/easiest way for<br>
+&gt; a non-expert user to know whether it is 32 bits or 64 bits ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; TIA,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ron.<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt;                   Immortality -- a fate worse than death.<br>
+&gt;                                        -- Edgar A. Shoaff<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/12 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/12 Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" target="_blank">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Could you please try to remove all hplip and cups packages,<br>
+clear your /etc/cups/printers.conf and reinstall cups, and try a manual<br>
+install of hplip according to <a href="http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/other.html" target="_blank">http://hplipopensource.com/<u></u>hplip-web/install/manual/<u></u>distros/other.html</a><br>
+This would rule if the problem could be in our packages.<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I have attempted to install HPLIP thsi way, but while he tries to configure things up, he hits to this : <br><br>
+checking for jpeg_set_defaults in -ljpeg... no<br>configure: error: &quot;cannot find libjpeg support&quot;<br><br>Here is the complete log :� <a href="http://pastebin.com/p9XHbca9">http://pastebin.com/p9XHbca9</a><br><br>
+libjpeg packages, including it&#39;s statis and devel packages are installed. So I do not know what to do. <br><br>Also, I have tested two things : <br><br>- Using another Mageia 1 operating system disk on the same computer and printer WORKS. So my mother&#39;s system seems to being the only one affected. <br>
+- Connecting another printer to the computer (Photosmart 330) also prints a big black square, although it is properly handled and used by any other Mageia 1 system, including my laptops and desktop. <br><br>So I do not think that the Mageia packages are the cause, except if a rare exception is making things buggy. I wonder if DBus or user groups could not be one part of the issue.<br>
+</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/12 Thomas Lottmann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:skiperdrake@gmail.com">skiperdrake@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+<div class="im"><div class="gmail_quote">2011/10/12 Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" target="_blank">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Could you please try to remove all hplip and cups packages,<br>
+clear your /etc/cups/printers.conf and reinstall cups, and try a manual<br>
+install of hplip according to <a href="http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/manual/distros/other.html" target="_blank">http://hplipopensource.com/<u></u>hplip-web/install/manual/<u></u>distros/other.html</a><br>
+This would rule if the problem could be in our packages.<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I have attempted to install HPLIP thsi way, but while he tries to configure things up, he hits to this : <br><br>
+checking for jpeg_set_defaults in -ljpeg... no<br>configure: error: &quot;cannot find libjpeg support&quot;<br><br>Here is the complete log :� <a href="http://pastebin.com/p9XHbca9">http://pastebin.com/p9XHbca9</a><br><br>
+libjpeg packages, including it&#39;s statis and devel packages are installed. So I do not know what to do. <br><br>Also, I have tested two things : <br><br>- Using another Mageia 1 operating system disk on the same computer and printer WORKS. So my mother&#39;s system seems to being the only one affected. <br>
+- Connecting another printer to the computer (Photosmart 330) also prints a big black square, although it is properly handled and used by any other Mageia 1 system, including my laptops and desktop. <br><br>So I do not think that the Mageia packages are the cause, except if a rare exception is making things buggy. I wonder if DBus or user groups could not be one part of the issue.<br>
+</div></div>
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+I received the email in the time it took me to switch between from the Mageia folder to the Inbox. To be clear, it was immediate. Check your spam folder.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Marja van Waes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Op 23-10-11 13:31, Shlomi Fish schreef:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<a href="http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-secure-boot.html" target="_blank">http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/<u></u>2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-<u></u>secure-boot.html</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Thanks :)<br>
+This issue was �bothering me, but I didn&#39;t know there was a campaign.<br>
+<br>
+How long does it take, after signing, before one gets an e-mail with a link to confirm that you really signed?<br>
+It takes more time than I&#39;m used to.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br><font color="#888888">
+Marja<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+I received the email in the time it took me to switch between from the Mageia folder to the Inbox. To be clear, it was immediate. Check your spam folder.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Marja van Waes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Op 23-10-11 13:31, Shlomi Fish schreef:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<a href="http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-secure-boot.html" target="_blank">http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/<u></u>2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-<u></u>secure-boot.html</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Thanks :)<br>
+This issue was �bothering me, but I didn&#39;t know there was a campaign.<br>
+<br>
+How long does it take, after signing, before one gets an e-mail with a link to confirm that you really signed?<br>
+It takes more time than I&#39;m used to.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br><font color="#888888">
+Marja<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+I received the email in the time it took me to switch between from the Mageia folder to the Inbox. To be clear, it was immediate. Check your spam folder.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Marja van Waes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Op 23-10-11 13:31, Shlomi Fish schreef:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<a href="http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-secure-boot.html" target="_blank">http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/<u></u>2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-<u></u>secure-boot.html</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Thanks :)<br>
+This issue was �bothering me, but I didn&#39;t know there was a campaign.<br>
+<br>
+How long does it take, after signing, before one gets an e-mail with a link to confirm that you really signed?<br>
+It takes more time than I&#39;m used to.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br><font color="#888888">
+Marja<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+I received the email in the time it took me to switch between from the Mageia folder to the Inbox. To be clear, it was immediate. Check your spam folder.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Marja van Waes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Op 23-10-11 13:31, Shlomi Fish schreef:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<a href="http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-secure-boot.html" target="_blank">http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/<u></u>2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-<u></u>secure-boot.html</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Thanks :)<br>
+This issue was �bothering me, but I didn&#39;t know there was a campaign.<br>
+<br>
+How long does it take, after signing, before one gets an e-mail with a link to confirm that you really signed?<br>
+It takes more time than I&#39;m used to.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br><font color="#888888">
+Marja<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 October 2011 12:31, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+The Free Software Foundation started a campaign called �Stand up for your<br>
+freedom to install free software!� about Microsoft&#39;s plan to enforce �Secure<br>
+Boot� in the installations of Windows 8, which will prevent people from being<br>
+able to boot into GNU/Linux, one of the BSD variants, or other operating<br>
+systems. You can sign it here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement" target="_blank">http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement</a><br>
+<br>
+More information can be found at:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-secure-boot.html" target="_blank">http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-secure-boot.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+ � � � �Shlomi Fish<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+-----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+Shlomi Fish � � � <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/</a><br>
+Apple Inc. is Evil - <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/apple/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/apple/</a><br>
+<br>
+&lt;ew73&gt; �<a href="http://VB.NET" target="_blank">VB.NET</a> is all of the fun of enforced privacy OO with all of the power<br>
+of BASIC. � � � � � � Freenode�s #perl<br>
+<br>
+Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br>Already done.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>registered Linux user number 414240<br><br>Guy Fawkes the only person to enter the Parliament with honest intentions and he was going to blow them up !<br>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 October 2011 12:31, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Hi all,<br>
+<br>
+The Free Software Foundation started a campaign called �Stand up for your<br>
+freedom to install free software!� about Microsoft&#39;s plan to enforce �Secure<br>
+Boot� in the installations of Windows 8, which will prevent people from being<br>
+able to boot into GNU/Linux, one of the BSD variants, or other operating<br>
+systems. You can sign it here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement" target="_blank">http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/statement</a><br>
+<br>
+More information can be found at:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-secure-boot.html" target="_blank">http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2011/10/fsf-campaign-against-secure-boot.html</a><br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+ � � � �Shlomi Fish<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+-----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+Shlomi Fish � � � <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/</a><br>
+Apple Inc. is Evil - <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/apple/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/apple/</a><br>
+<br>
+&lt;ew73&gt; �<a href="http://VB.NET" target="_blank">VB.NET</a> is all of the fun of enforced privacy OO with all of the power<br>
+of BASIC. � � � � � � Freenode�s #perl<br>
+<br>
+Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><br>Already done.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>registered Linux user number 414240<br><br>Guy Fawkes the only person to enter the Parliament with honest intentions and he was going to blow them up !<br>
+
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+
+<html>
+<head>
+<style type="text/css">
+@media screen and (max-width: 500px)
+{
+  #groups-footer-text {
+  padding-top:40px;
+  }
+}
+</style>
+</head>
+<body>
+<table id="groups-main-content" style="position:center;margin:0 25px 0 25px; auto;font-family:arial,sans-serif" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0">
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:18px">
+  <td height=18px></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-welcome-message" style="font-size:13px">
+  <td colspan=3>
+  <p>A google group on Mageia!</p>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:15px">
+  <td height=15px></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-about-this-group" style="font-size:13px">
+  <td colspan=3>
+  <p style="margin:0 0 2px 0; color:#222222;font-weight:bold;padding:0 0 0 0">� propos de ce groupe :</p>
+  <p>Here you can find all discuss about Mageia GNU/Linux use and/or developpement. English group moderated.</p>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:30px">
+  <td height=15px></td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<table id="groups-invite-button" style="position:center;margin:0 25px 0 25px; font-family:arial,sans-serif" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0>
+  <tr>
+  <td style="height:29px; width:152px; text-align:left;">
+  <a id="button" style="border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;padding:7px 15px;background-color:#498af2; color:#ffffff;font-size:11px;border:solid 1px #3079ed; font-weight:bold; white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none" href="http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/sub?s=XvVpIBQAAABCpKgci3CDqhVGBhhrRzNTT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&hl=fr&src=email">
+  Accepter cette invitation
+  </a>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0>
+  <tr id="groups-titlebar" style="height:30px">
+  <td id="groups-groupname"> </td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<div style="margin:30px 25px 20px 24px; padding-top:15px; border-top:1px solid #e5e5e5">
+  <a id="groups-logo" style="float:left; padding-right:20px; padding-top:7px " href="https://groups.google.com/?hl=fr">
+  <img src="https://groups.google.com/intl/fr/images/logos/groups_logo.png" alt="Visiter Google Groupes" height=25px/>
+  </a>
+  <p id="groups-footer-text" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#636363; font-size:11px">
+  <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/create?hl=fr&src=email">D�marrer</a> votre propre groupe,
+  <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out?hl=fr&src=email" ?>arr�ter</a> les invitations de ce type,
+  ou <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/abuse?invite=YQAAAG2lpk2KAAAAsMluVWIAAADDkDP8L5NCVUIFPChnHL7e32bWMhQ&hl=fr&src=email">signaler</a> un spam.
+  </p>
+</div>
+</body>
+</html>
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+
+<html>
+<head>
+<style type="text/css">
+@media screen and (max-width: 500px)
+{
+  #groups-footer-text {
+  padding-top:40px;
+  }
+}
+</style>
+</head>
+<body>
+<table id="groups-main-content" style="position:center;margin:0 25px 0 25px; auto;font-family:arial,sans-serif" cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0">
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:18px">
+  <td height=18px></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-welcome-message" style="font-size:13px">
+  <td colspan=3>
+  <p>A google group on Mageia!</p>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:15px">
+  <td height=15px></td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-about-this-group" style="font-size:13px">
+  <td colspan=3>
+  <p style="margin:0 0 2px 0; color:#222222;font-weight:bold;padding:0 0 0 0">� propos de ce groupe :</p>
+  <p>Here you can find all discuss about Mageia GNU/Linux use and/or developpement. English group moderated.</p>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+  <tr id="groups-spacing" style="height:30px">
+  <td height=15px></td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<table id="groups-invite-button" style="position:center;margin:0 25px 0 25px; font-family:arial,sans-serif" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0>
+  <tr>
+  <td style="height:29px; width:152px; text-align:left;">
+  <a id="button" style="border-radius:2px;display:inline-block;padding:7px 15px;background-color:#498af2; color:#ffffff;font-size:11px;border:solid 1px #3079ed; font-weight:bold; white-space:nowrap;text-decoration:none" href="http://groups.google.com/group/mageia-gnulinux/sub?s=XvVpIBQAAABCpKgci3CDqhVGBhhrRzNTT45adePqBYimkDDrgfeYkg&hl=fr&src=email">
+  Accepter cette invitation
+  </a>
+  </td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<table cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0>
+  <tr id="groups-titlebar" style="height:30px">
+  <td id="groups-groupname"> </td>
+  </tr>
+</table>
+<div style="margin:30px 25px 20px 24px; padding-top:15px; border-top:1px solid #e5e5e5">
+  <a id="groups-logo" style="float:left; padding-right:20px; padding-top:7px " href="https://groups.google.com/?hl=fr">
+  <img src="https://groups.google.com/intl/fr/images/logos/groups_logo.png" alt="Visiter Google Groupes" height=25px/>
+  </a>
+  <p id="groups-footer-text" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#636363; font-size:11px">
+  <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/create?hl=fr&src=email">D�marrer</a> votre propre groupe,
+  <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out?hl=fr&src=email" ?>arr�ter</a> les invitations de ce type,
+  ou <a style=color:15c;text-decoration:none href="http://groups.google.com/groups/abuse?invite=YQAAAG2lpk2KAAAAsMluVWIAAADDkDP8L5NCVUIFPChnHL7e32bWMhQ&hl=fr&src=email">signaler</a> un spam.
+  </p>
+</div>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le vendredi 4 novembre 2011 19:45:54 Marianne Lombard, vous avez écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le 04/11/2011 19:28, Florian Hubold a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Am 04.11.2011 12:12, schrieb Doug Laidlaw:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:00:04 PM mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; What is the point, given we already have Mageia-discuss ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Ron.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; On Google Groups, you get invitations to see pretty girls.  It may</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; stur up</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; some interest ;)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Doug.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Well, why do we only get a boring invitation to the group then,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; and why not directly relay those invitations from the girls?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Why invitations to a group must imply pretty girls ? Is it really</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; relevant for a Linux user group ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (to meet girls, you can try something new : the real world, outside the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; internet)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't know for the others but for me yes it imply pretty girls :-)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A+</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Raph</p></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le vendredi 4 novembre 2011 19:45:54 Marianne Lombard, vous avez écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Le 04/11/2011 19:28, Florian Hubold a écrit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Am 04.11.2011 12:12, schrieb Doug Laidlaw:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:00:04 PM mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; What is the point, given we already have Mageia-discuss ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Ron.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; On Google Groups, you get invitations to see pretty girls.  It may</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; stur up</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; some interest ;)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Doug.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Well, why do we only get a boring invitation to the group then,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; and why not directly relay those invitations from the girls?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Why invitations to a group must imply pretty girls ? Is it really</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; relevant for a Linux user group ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; (to meet girls, you can try something new : the real world, outside the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; internet)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't know for the others but for me yes it imply pretty girls :-)</p>
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+Yes, Has a&nbsp; image editor such as GIMP, Krita is called.<br><br><div>&gt; Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:37:49 -0500<br>&gt; From: andre999mga@laposte.net<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Replacing LibreOffice and Gimp by Calligra in Mageia 2<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Aaron Mendo Andrade a �crit :<br>&gt; &gt; Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated <br>&gt; &gt; into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea <br>&gt; &gt; instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the <br>&gt; &gt; version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; What do you think?<br>&gt; Bad idea.  Not everybody uses KDE.  Libreoffice is desktop neutral.<br>&gt; However, if you want, you can always install Calligra (if it is in the <br>&gt; repos), and uninstall Libreoffice if it is installed.<br>&gt; I don't know where Gimp comes in.  Are you saying that Calligra has a <br>&gt; graphic file editor like Gimp ?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Andr�<br>&gt; <br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+Yes, Has a&nbsp; image editor such as GIMP, Krita is called.<br><br><div>&gt; Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:37:49 -0500<br>&gt; From: andre999mga@laposte.net<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Replacing LibreOffice and Gimp by Calligra in Mageia 2<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Aaron Mendo Andrade a �crit :<br>&gt; &gt; Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated <br>&gt; &gt; into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea <br>&gt; &gt; instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the <br>&gt; &gt; version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; What do you think?<br>&gt; Bad idea.  Not everybody uses KDE.  Libreoffice is desktop neutral.<br>&gt; However, if you want, you can always install Calligra (if it is in the <br>&gt; repos), and uninstall Libreoffice if it is installed.<br>&gt; I don't know where Gimp comes in.  Are you saying that Calligra has a <br>&gt; graphic file editor like Gimp ?<br>&gt; <br>&gt; -- <br>&gt; Andr�<br>&gt; <br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+I agree with LibreOffice do you have right about, but could we at least replace the gimp by krita in the&nbsp; KDE Mageia version?.<br><br><div>&gt; From: franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:45:09 +0800<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Replacing LibreOffice and Gimp by Calligra in	Mageia 2<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; First, Calligra is not that compatible with OOo or LibreO.  The slides <br>&gt; Calligra Stage made would become very funny when showing in OOo or LibreO <br>&gt; Impress.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Second, Calligra could not generate Microsoft office format file.  The fact is <br>&gt; that, there are still many people using Microsoft Office and <br>&gt; OpenOffice/LibreOffice.  It will add a lot of difficulties to us before <br>&gt; Calligra solves all these compatibility problems.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Besides, Calligra is still a nightmare for Chinese (or even CJK) users...  The <br>&gt; font processing seems t
+ o be problematic.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I vote against this idea.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Franklin<br>&gt; <br>&gt; andre999 � 2011-11-14 ������<br>&gt; &gt; Aaron Mendo Andrade a ��crit :<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; What do you think?<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Bad idea.  Not everybody uses KDE.  Libreoffice is desktop neutral.<br>&gt; &gt; However, if you want, you can always install Calligra (if it is in the<br>&gt; &gt; repos), and uninstall Libreoffice if it is installed.<br>&gt; &gt; I don't know where Gimp comes in.  Are you saying that Calligra has a<br>&gt; &gt; graphic file editor like Gimp ?<br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+I agree with LibreOffice do you have right about, but could we at least replace the gimp by krita in the&nbsp; KDE Mageia version?.<br><br><div>&gt; From: franklin@goodhorse.idv.tw<br>&gt; To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>&gt; Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:45:09 +0800<br>&gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Replacing LibreOffice and Gimp by Calligra in	Mageia 2<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; First, Calligra is not that compatible with OOo or LibreO.  The slides <br>&gt; Calligra Stage made would become very funny when showing in OOo or LibreO <br>&gt; Impress.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Second, Calligra could not generate Microsoft office format file.  The fact is <br>&gt; that, there are still many people using Microsoft Office and <br>&gt; OpenOffice/LibreOffice.  It will add a lot of difficulties to us before <br>&gt; Calligra solves all these compatibility problems.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Besides, Calligra is still a nightmare for Chinese (or even CJK) users...  The <br>&gt; font processing seems t
+ o be problematic.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I vote against this idea.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Franklin<br>&gt; <br>&gt; andre999 � 2011-11-14 ������<br>&gt; &gt; Aaron Mendo Andrade a ��crit :<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br>&gt; &gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; &gt; What do you think?<br>&gt; &gt; <br>&gt; &gt; Bad idea.  Not everybody uses KDE.  Libreoffice is desktop neutral.<br>&gt; &gt; However, if you want, you can always install Calligra (if it is in the<br>&gt; &gt; repos), and uninstall Libreoffice if it is installed.<br>&gt; &gt; I don't know where Gimp comes in.  Are you saying that Calligra has a<br>&gt; &gt; graphic file editor like Gimp ?<br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What do</span> <span class="hps">you think?</span></span><br><br>Greetings!!!.<br> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br><br><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What do</span> <span class="hps">you think?</span></span><br><br>Greetings!!!.<br> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+Well, now I understand it is preferable to have LibreOffice and gimp by default instead of calligra. Thanks for your atention.<br><br>Greetings!!!.<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:53:44 +0100<br>From: listas.apl@gmail.com<br>To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Replacing LibreOffice and Gimp by Calligra in Mageia 2<br><br><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Aaron Mendo Andrade <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:aaronmen_se@live.com.mx">aaronmen_se@live.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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+Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br>
+<br><span lang="en"><span>What do</span> <span>you think?</span></span><br><br>Greetings!!!.<br> 		 	   		  </div></div>
+</blockquote></div><br>I don't think it's a good idea to make the distro's default an application conceived for a particular desktop. What I mean is that Calligra is specific for KDE and not for Gnome. Neither LibreOffice nor Gimp are desktop-specific. So I vote for keeping LibreOffice and Gimp as the defaults.<br>
+<br>What prevents you from just removing those application you don't like (LibreOffice and Gimp) and add those that you prefer (Calligra)?<br><br>Alejandro.<br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+Well, now I understand it is preferable to have LibreOffice and gimp by default instead of calligra. Thanks for your atention.<br><br>Greetings!!!.<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:53:44 +0100<br>From: listas.apl@gmail.com<br>To: mageia-discuss@mageia.org<br>Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Replacing LibreOffice and Gimp by Calligra in Mageia 2<br><br><br><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Aaron Mendo Andrade <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:aaronmen_se@live.com.mx">aaronmen_se@live.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
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+
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+Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br>
+<br><span lang="en"><span>What do</span> <span>you think?</span></span><br><br>Greetings!!!.<br> 		 	   		  </div></div>
+</blockquote></div><br>I don't think it's a good idea to make the distro's default an application conceived for a particular desktop. What I mean is that Calligra is specific for KDE and not for Gnome. Neither LibreOffice nor Gimp are desktop-specific. So I vote for keeping LibreOffice and Gimp as the defaults.<br>
+<br>What prevents you from just removing those application you don't like (LibreOffice and Gimp) and add those that you prefer (Calligra)?<br><br>Alejandro.<br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Aaron Mendo Andrade <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:aaronmen_se@live.com.mx">aaronmen_se@live.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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+
+<div><div dir="ltr">
+Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br>
+<br><span lang="en"><span>What do</span> <span>you think?</span></span><br><br>Greetings!!!.<br> 		 	   		  </div></div>
+</blockquote></div><br>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a good idea to make the distro&#39;s default an application conceived for a particular desktop. What I mean is that Calligra is specific for KDE and not for Gnome. Neither LibreOffice nor Gimp are desktop-specific. So I vote for keeping LibreOffice and Gimp as the defaults.<br>
+<br>What prevents you from just removing those application you don&#39;t like (LibreOffice and Gimp) and add those that you prefer (Calligra)?<br><br>Alejandro.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Aaron Mendo Andrade <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:aaronmen_se@live.com.mx">aaronmen_se@live.com.mx</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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+
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+Hi all, I would like to see the next version of Mageia more integrated into the KDE version and so it occurred to me that is a good idea instead of LibreOffice and The Gimp replace by Calligra for the version 2 of mageia by then calligra version 2.4 will ready .<br>
+<br><span lang="en"><span>What do</span> <span>you think?</span></span><br><br>Greetings!!!.<br> 		 	   		  </div></div>
+</blockquote></div><br>I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a good idea to make the distro&#39;s default an application conceived for a particular desktop. What I mean is that Calligra is specific for KDE and not for Gnome. Neither LibreOffice nor Gimp are desktop-specific. So I vote for keeping LibreOffice and Gimp as the defaults.<br>
+<br>What prevents you from just removing those application you don&#39;t like (LibreOffice and Gimp) and add those that you prefer (Calligra)?<br><br>Alejandro.<br>
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+    On 14.11.2011 05:01, Aaron Mendo Andrade wrote:
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+        I agree with LibreOffice do you have right about, but could we
+        at least replace the gimp by krita in the&nbsp; KDE Mageia version?.<br>
+      </div>
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+    I'm against. GIMP is standard, people use, know and like GIMP,
+    people know and use GIMP plugins. KDE users also use GIMP. <br>
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+    On 14.11.2011 05:01, Aaron Mendo Andrade wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:BLU164-W1427DAE89A78B28F1FFEB0C4C00@phx.gbl"
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+        I agree with LibreOffice do you have right about, but could we
+        at least replace the gimp by krita in the&nbsp; KDE Mageia version?.<br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    I'm against. GIMP is standard, people use, know and like GIMP,
+    people know and use GIMP plugins. KDE users also use GIMP. <br>
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+Excelent!!!, Thanks :).<br><br>Greetings.<br><br><div>&gt; From: oliver.bgr@googlemail.com<br>&gt; To: mageia-artwork@mageia.org; mageia-dev@mageia.org; mageia-discuss@mageia.org; doc-discuss@ml.mageia.org; mageia-i18n@mageia.org; mageia-marketing@mageia.org; mageia-web@mageia.org; council@ml.mageia.org<br>&gt; Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:34:43 +0100<br>&gt; Subject: [Mageia-discuss] New wiki finally online<br>&gt; <br>&gt; After quite some work in the last weeks the new wiki is finally available!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Check it out at https://wiki.mageia.org<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Until now only the English wiki is online, other will follow soon.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; We did import all (or most) of the contents from the old wiki and tried to <br>&gt; bring  some structure into it.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; As you can see, there is almost no documentation for the end user till now but <br>&gt; the documentation team will start changing that.<br>&gt; If you would like to help us on that, just join the doc team in its meeting <br>&gt; tommorow at 19.00 UTC in #mageia-doc on the Freenode irc netwoork.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; And please have a look at <br>&gt; https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_and_Documentation#Page_naming<br>&gt; before starting to create pages on the new wiki.<br>&gt; We do want to keep some kind of order in it...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; ee also the blog post about it on http://blog.mageia.org/en/<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Oliver<br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+Excelent!!!, Thanks :).<br><br>Greetings.<br><br><div>&gt; From: oliver.bgr@googlemail.com<br>&gt; To: mageia-artwork@mageia.org; mageia-dev@mageia.org; mageia-discuss@mageia.org; doc-discuss@ml.mageia.org; mageia-i18n@mageia.org; mageia-marketing@mageia.org; mageia-web@mageia.org; council@ml.mageia.org<br>&gt; Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:34:43 +0100<br>&gt; Subject: [Mageia-discuss] New wiki finally online<br>&gt; <br>&gt; After quite some work in the last weeks the new wiki is finally available!<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Check it out at https://wiki.mageia.org<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Until now only the English wiki is online, other will follow soon.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; We did import all (or most) of the contents from the old wiki and tried to <br>&gt; bring  some structure into it.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; As you can see, there is almost no documentation for the end user till now but <br>&gt; the documentation team will start changing that.<br>&gt; If you would like to help us on that, just join the doc team in its meeting <br>&gt; tommorow at 19.00 UTC in #mageia-doc on the Freenode irc netwoork.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; And please have a look at <br>&gt; https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Wiki_and_Documentation#Page_naming<br>&gt; before starting to create pages on the new wiki.<br>&gt; We do want to keep some kind of order in it...<br>&gt; <br>&gt; ee also the blog post about it on http://blog.mageia.org/en/<br>&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Cheers,<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Oliver<br></div> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+<p>On Δευ 14 Νοέ 2011 16:56:17 CET, Aaron Mendo Andrade &lt;<a href="mailto:aaronmen_se@live.com.mx">aaronmen_se@live.com.mx</a>&gt; wrote:
+<br>
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Well, now I understand it is preferable to have LibreOffice and gimp by
+<br>&gt; default instead of calligra. Thanks for your atention.
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Greetings!!!.
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>
+<br>i think that would be a good idea to have these KDE applications as default, but maybe not in mageia 2 but in 3 when hopefuly will be a real alternative</p>
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+<p>On Δευ 14 Νοέ 2011 16:56:17 CET, Aaron Mendo Andrade &lt;<a href="mailto:aaronmen_se@live.com.mx">aaronmen_se@live.com.mx</a>&gt; wrote:
+<br>
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Well, now I understand it is preferable to have LibreOffice and gimp by
+<br>&gt; default instead of calligra. Thanks for your atention.
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>&gt; Greetings!!!.
+<br>&gt; 
+<br>
+<br>i think that would be a good idea to have these KDE applications as default, but maybe not in mageia 2 but in 3 when hopefuly will be a real alternative</p>
+</body>
+</html>
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+    On 11/14/2011 11:05 AM, Aaron Mendo Andrade wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:BLU164-W65025FAA990DCED8540851C4C00@phx.gbl"
+      type="cite">
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+        Hello, Would it be possible make that urpmi detect if&nbsp; to run
+        command or a run program to detect if you don't have it and
+        install it? I think it's a good idea and makes a big difference
+        to both users and developers of mageia.<br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    I sympathize with what you want, but the fact is that urpmi is not
+    involved.&nbsp; You type the non-existent program name, and the shell
+    just tells you there is no such file in the $PATH.<br>
+    <br>
+    Of course, you could write a small script to do what the shell does
+    (search your $PATH), run the program if found, or launch urpmi if
+    it's not, but you'd have to always use the script from the command
+    line, or change the executable in every menu entry.....<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    On 11/14/2011 11:05 AM, Aaron Mendo Andrade wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:BLU164-W65025FAA990DCED8540851C4C00@phx.gbl"
+      type="cite">
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+        Hello, Would it be possible make that urpmi detect if&nbsp; to run
+        command or a run program to detect if you don't have it and
+        install it? I think it's a good idea and makes a big difference
+        to both users and developers of mageia.<br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    I sympathize with what you want, but the fact is that urpmi is not
+    involved.&nbsp; You type the non-existent program name, and the shell
+    just tells you there is no such file in the $PATH.<br>
+    <br>
+    Of course, you could write a small script to do what the shell does
+    (search your $PATH), run the program if found, or launch urpmi if
+    it's not, but you'd have to always use the script from the command
+    line, or change the executable in every menu entry.....<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hello, Would it be possible make that urpmi detect if&nbsp; to run command or a run program to detect if you don't have it and install it? I think it's a good idea and makes a big difference to both users and developers of mageia.<br><br>Greetings!!!.<br> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+Hello, Would it be possible make that urpmi detect if&nbsp; to run command or a run program to detect if you don't have it and install it? I think it's a good idea and makes a big difference to both users and developers of mageia.<br><br>Greetings!!!.<br> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/16 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/11/16 Lucien XU &lt;<a href="mailto:sfietkonstantin@free.fr">sfietkonstantin@free.fr</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&quot;m also interested in hacking what Rosa has done, but it seems that there is<br>
+&gt; NO SOURCE code available at all.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Not sure about that. I think it&#39;s on some russian repository. You can<br>
+read messages in the Mandriva forum where people are pointed to a<br>
+russian place for a lot of packages concerning RosaLabs products. Why<br>
+these are not available in the official Mandriva mirrors I do not<br>
+know.<br>
+<br>
+But I think this is not the right platform to discuss Mandriva issues.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>RosaLab repository was open but by now is accessible by password, it seems:�<a href="http://projects.rosalab.ru/">http://projects.rosalab.ru/</a></div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/16 Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+2011/11/16 Lucien XU &lt;<a href="mailto:sfietkonstantin@free.fr">sfietkonstantin@free.fr</a>&gt;:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&quot;m also interested in hacking what Rosa has done, but it seems that there is<br>
+&gt; NO SOURCE code available at all.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Not sure about that. I think it&#39;s on some russian repository. You can<br>
+read messages in the Mandriva forum where people are pointed to a<br>
+russian place for a lot of packages concerning RosaLabs products. Why<br>
+these are not available in the official Mandriva mirrors I do not<br>
+know.<br>
+<br>
+But I think this is not the right platform to discuss Mandriva issues.<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br><div>RosaLab repository was open but by now is accessible by password, it seems:�<a href="http://projects.rosalab.ru/">http://projects.rosalab.ru/</a></div><div><br></div>
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+Hi, It would be interesting that to try to install an application using urpmi automatically configure repositories and try to install the application.<br><br>   <div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell"><div dir="ltr" style="zoom:1"><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What do</span> <span class="hps">you think?.<br><br>Greetings.<br></span></span></div></div><br> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+Hi, It would be interesting that to try to install an application using urpmi automatically configure repositories and try to install the application.<br><br>   <div id="gt-res-content" class="almost_half_cell"><div dir="ltr" style="zoom:1"><span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">What do</span> <span class="hps">you think?.<br><br>Greetings.<br></span></span></div></div><br> 		 	   		  </div></body>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/23 Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am 22.11.2011 12:35, schrieb bascule:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; due to lack of research on my part i now find that there appear to be no<br>
+&gt; mageia1 rpms for apache-gallery and libapache-mod-mp3, i&#39;m sure i could use<br>
+&gt; cpan but then i&#39;m mixing source compiles with rpms, i&#39;ve read of but never<br>
+&gt; tried making rpms from cpan using various utils, are these reliable? what<br>
+&gt; about mandriva rpms, which distro should i look to borrow from, any advice<br>
+&gt; welcome!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; bascule<br>
+</div>You can either report it at our bugzilla as a package request:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mageia&amp;format=guided" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mageia&amp;format=guided</a><br>
+Please select Component &quot;New RPM package request&quot;.<br>
+Or, you can use the package _perl-CPANPLUS-Dist-Mageia_ to build<br>
+Mageia RPM packages directly from CPAN modules, like so:<br>
+<br>
+ � �cpan2dist --format=CPANPLUS::Dist::Mageia Some::Random::Package<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Do not forget to make the rpm directory for this command, like that:<br><br>$ cd your/rpm/directory<br>$ mkdir BUILD� BUILDROOT� RPMS� SOURCES� SPECS� SRPMS� tmp<br><br>:)<br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/11/23 Florian Hubold <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Am 22.11.2011 12:35, schrieb bascule:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; due to lack of research on my part i now find that there appear to be no<br>
+&gt; mageia1 rpms for apache-gallery and libapache-mod-mp3, i&#39;m sure i could use<br>
+&gt; cpan but then i&#39;m mixing source compiles with rpms, i&#39;ve read of but never<br>
+&gt; tried making rpms from cpan using various utils, are these reliable? what<br>
+&gt; about mandriva rpms, which distro should i look to borrow from, any advice<br>
+&gt; welcome!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; bascule<br>
+</div>You can either report it at our bugzilla as a package request:<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mageia&amp;format=guided" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mageia&amp;format=guided</a><br>
+Please select Component &quot;New RPM package request&quot;.<br>
+Or, you can use the package _perl-CPANPLUS-Dist-Mageia_ to build<br>
+Mageia RPM packages directly from CPAN modules, like so:<br>
+<br>
+ � �cpan2dist --format=CPANPLUS::Dist::Mageia Some::Random::Package<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Do not forget to make the rpm directory for this command, like that:<br><br>$ cd your/rpm/directory<br>$ mkdir BUILD� BUILDROOT� RPMS� SOURCES� SPECS� SRPMS� tmp<br><br>:)<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:32 AM, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Markus Ueberall<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:Markus.Ueberall@gmail.com">Markus.Ueberall@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Am 18.11.2011 04:52, schrieb David W. Hodgins:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Agreed.  Just want to make sure that anyone who is using the<br>
+&gt;&gt; sun java package from the repositories know that they must<br>
+&gt;&gt; get the latest security updates directly from <a href="http://java.com" target="_blank">java.com</a>, as<br>
+&gt;&gt; the packages in the Mageia repositories are not being updated.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Regards, Dave Hodgins<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I wonder whether it is feasible to come up with a &quot;get-sun-java&quot; rpm<br>
+</div>&gt; which uses the same mechanism as the get-skype rpm for those who<br>
+&gt; need/prefer Oracle&#39;s implementation?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ad astra, Markus<br>
+<br>
+Why ?  openjdk is good enough to replace oracle java.<br>
+and soonish we will have java7 too in mageia so i really don&#39;t see now<br>
+the need of the closed source one.<br></blockquote><div><br><br>Everything you said is true, but let me disagree with your question. Why not? Some users might prefer Oracle&#39;s java, while others might rather use OpenJDK. As long as there are volunteers for maintaining both packages, why shou;d it be one or the other? Why not providing both?<br>
+<br><br>Alejandro.</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:32 AM, D.Morgan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dmorganec@gmail.com">dmorganec@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Markus Ueberall<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:Markus.Ueberall@gmail.com">Markus.Ueberall@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Am 18.11.2011 04:52, schrieb David W. Hodgins:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Agreed.  Just want to make sure that anyone who is using the<br>
+&gt;&gt; sun java package from the repositories know that they must<br>
+&gt;&gt; get the latest security updates directly from <a href="http://java.com" target="_blank">java.com</a>, as<br>
+&gt;&gt; the packages in the Mageia repositories are not being updated.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Regards, Dave Hodgins<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; I wonder whether it is feasible to come up with a &quot;get-sun-java&quot; rpm<br>
+</div>&gt; which uses the same mechanism as the get-skype rpm for those who<br>
+&gt; need/prefer Oracle&#39;s implementation?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ad astra, Markus<br>
+<br>
+Why ?  openjdk is good enough to replace oracle java.<br>
+and soonish we will have java7 too in mageia so i really don&#39;t see now<br>
+the need of the closed source one.<br></blockquote><div><br><br>Everything you said is true, but let me disagree with your question. Why not? Some users might prefer Oracle&#39;s java, while others might rather use OpenJDK. As long as there are volunteers for maintaining both packages, why shou;d it be one or the other? Why not providing both?<br>
+<br><br>Alejandro.</div></div>
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+Version:        1.6.0_29
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+Url:            http://www.java.com/en/download/
+# Java test http://java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp
+License:        Proprietary
+Summary:        Download and Install Sun-Java
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+# Allow 64bit users to install the 32bit version which 
+# has features not included in the 64bit version
+%if %{_arch} == x86_64
+%define downloadurl http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=56692
+%define md5     4ef7f348e6190fd780e028a08a84b39c
+%define binfile AutoDL?BundleId=56692
+%define libarch amd64
+%else
+%define downloadurl     http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=56690
+%define md5     fcdf57daf2585b279df627b69fc96049
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+%define libarch i386
+%endif
+%define tmp_download_dir        %{_localstatedir}/lib/%{name}
+Requires:       wget
+Obsoletes:      java-1.6.0-sun <= 1.6.0
+Obsoletes:      java-1.6.0-openjdk <= 1.6.0
+
+%description
+This is an installer for Sun-Java-%{version}.
+This package does not contain any program files as the Sun license no
+longer allows distribution. By installing this package you will
+download and install Sun-Java from sun.com.
+Use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support.
+You must accept the Java EULA before using it.
+Please be patient, this is a 20 MB download and may take some time.
+Removing this package will remove Sun-Java from your system.
+
+%pre
+mkdir -p %{tmp_download_dir}
+[[ -d %{tmp_download_dir} ]] || exit 1
+cd %{tmp_download_dir} || exit 1
+
+if [[ -f %{binfile} ]]; then
+:
+else
+wget --force-clobber --timeout=30 --tries=3 "%{downloadurl}"
+[[ -f %{binfile} ]] || { echo "Download failed"; rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}; exit 1; }
+fi
+md5chk=$(md5sum %{binfile} | cut -d' ' -f1)
+[[ %{md5} = $md5chk ]] || { echo "Download checksum failed"; rm %{binfile};\
+cd ..; rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}; exit 1; }
+
+%post
+mkdir -p %{_datadir}/java
+cd %{_datadir}/java
+chmod +x %{tmp_download_dir}/%{binfile}
+%{tmp_download_dir}/%{binfile} || exit 1
+#rm -r %%{tmp_download_dir}
+# Remove standard Firefox link
+if [ -d %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins ]; then
+[ -f %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so ] && \
+rm %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
+
+# Add Firefox plugin link
+cd %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins && ln -s %{_datadir}/java/jre%{version}/lib/%{libarch}/libnpjp2.so
+fi
+
+# ?
+cd /etc/alternatives
+ln -sf %{_datadir}/java/jre%{version}/bin/java
+
+%preun
+rm -rf %{_datadir}/java/jre%{version}
+rm %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins/libnpjp2.so
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+%files
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+Version:        1.6.0_29
+Release:        %mkrel 1
+Url:            http://www.java.com/en/download/
+# Java test http://java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp
+License:        Proprietary
+Summary:        Download and Install Sun-Java
+Group:          System/Libraries
+
+# Allow 64bit users to install the 32bit version which 
+# has features not included in the 64bit version
+%if %{_arch} == x86_64
+%define downloadurl http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=56692
+%define md5     4ef7f348e6190fd780e028a08a84b39c
+%define binfile AutoDL?BundleId=56692
+%define libarch amd64
+%else
+%define downloadurl     http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=56690
+%define md5     fcdf57daf2585b279df627b69fc96049
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+
+%description
+This is an installer for Sun-Java-%{version}.
+This package does not contain any program files as the Sun license no
+longer allows distribution. By installing this package you will
+download and install Sun-Java from sun.com.
+Use the 32-bit version for Java applet and Java Web Start support.
+You must accept the Java EULA before using it.
+Please be patient, this is a 20 MB download and may take some time.
+Removing this package will remove Sun-Java from your system.
+
+%pre
+mkdir -p %{tmp_download_dir}
+[[ -d %{tmp_download_dir} ]] || exit 1
+cd %{tmp_download_dir} || exit 1
+
+if [[ -f %{binfile} ]]; then
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+else
+wget --force-clobber --timeout=30 --tries=3 "%{downloadurl}"
+[[ -f %{binfile} ]] || { echo "Download failed"; rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}; exit 1; }
+fi
+md5chk=$(md5sum %{binfile} | cut -d' ' -f1)
+[[ %{md5} = $md5chk ]] || { echo "Download checksum failed"; rm %{binfile};\
+cd ..; rm -r %{tmp_download_dir}; exit 1; }
+
+%post
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+cd %{_datadir}/java
+chmod +x %{tmp_download_dir}/%{binfile}
+%{tmp_download_dir}/%{binfile} || exit 1
+#rm -r %%{tmp_download_dir}
+# Remove standard Firefox link
+if [ -d %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins ]; then
+[ -f %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so ] && \
+rm %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so
+
+# Add Firefox plugin link
+cd %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins && ln -s %{_datadir}/java/jre%{version}/lib/%{libarch}/libnpjp2.so
+fi
+
+# ?
+cd /etc/alternatives
+ln -sf %{_datadir}/java/jre%{version}/bin/java
+
+%preun
+rm -rf %{_datadir}/java/jre%{version}
+rm %{_libdir}/mozilla/plugins/libnpjp2.so
+
+%files
+\ No newline at end of file
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+    I did some googleing on what Udev really is and what it's supposed
+    to do for you &amp; this is the wiki-explananation of it:<br>
+    <br>
+    <b>"udev</b> is the device manager for the <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel" title="Linux
+      kernel">Linux kernel</a>. Primarily, it manages <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_node" title="Device
+      node" class="mw-redirect">device nodes</a> in <tt><a
+        href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard"
+        title="Filesystem Hierarchy Standard">/dev</a></tt>. It is the
+    successor of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devfs"
+      title="Devfs" class="mw-redirect">devfs</a> and hotplug, which
+    means that it handles the <tt>/dev</tt> directory and all <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_space" title="User space">user
+      space</a> actions when adding/removing devices, including <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmware" title="Firmware">firmware</a>
+    load."<br>
+    <br>
+    Now to my question.......<br>
+    <br>
+    If udev loads firmware, why does it not assign my Atheros
+    AR5001-cardmodule ath5k to something?<br>
+    <br>
+    I checked during the boot of any installation from tty using lsmod
+    &amp; seeing that the module is indeed loaded, BUT it's not used by
+    something.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
+  </body>
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+    I did some googleing on what Udev really is and what it's supposed
+    to do for you &amp; this is the wiki-explananation of it:<br>
+    <br>
+    <b>"udev</b> is the device manager for the <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel" title="Linux
+      kernel">Linux kernel</a>. Primarily, it manages <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Device_node" title="Device
+      node" class="mw-redirect">device nodes</a> in <tt><a
+        href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard"
+        title="Filesystem Hierarchy Standard">/dev</a></tt>. It is the
+    successor of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devfs"
+      title="Devfs" class="mw-redirect">devfs</a> and hotplug, which
+    means that it handles the <tt>/dev</tt> directory and all <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_space" title="User space">user
+      space</a> actions when adding/removing devices, including <a
+      href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firmware" title="Firmware">firmware</a>
+    load."<br>
+    <br>
+    Now to my question.......<br>
+    <br>
+    If udev loads firmware, why does it not assign my Atheros
+    AR5001-cardmodule ath5k to something?<br>
+    <br>
+    I checked during the boot of any installation from tty using lsmod
+    &amp; seeing that the module is indeed loaded, BUT it's not used by
+    something.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Wednesday 30 Nov 2011 09:39 my mailbox was graced by a message from<br>
+<div class="im">Alejandro López who wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt; Since last night the automounting through USB of a Kindle on my desktop<br>
+&gt; &gt; (mageia 1/KDE) mounts it as Read Only, making it impossible to load books<br>
+&gt; &gt; from the computer.<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im"> &gt; This usually happens when the filesystem is corrupted. Try a fsck on it.<br>
+<br>
+</div>root@localhost:/home/ron # fsck /dev/sdc1<br>
+Reclaimed 88 unused clusters (720896 bytes).<br>
+Free cluster summary wrong (352493 vs. really 352666)<br>
+1) Correct<br>
+2) Don&#39;t correct<br>
+? 1<br>
+Leaving file system unchanged.<br>
+/dev/sdc1: 481 files, 47608/400274 clusters<br>
+<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Why did fsck leave the file system unchanged if you said 1 (Correct)? Did it somehow misunderstood what you wanted? You could maybe try with the option -p to automatically fix any problem it finds, and avoid the question. Unluckily I have no other idea.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">root@localhost:/home/ron # dmesg<br>
+2:1:1: usb_set_interface failed<br>
+usb 1-4.2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 25<br>
+usb 1-4.2: New USB device found, idVendor=1949, idProduct=0004<br>
+usb 1-4.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3<br>
+usb 1-4.2: Product: Amazon Kindle<br>
+usb 1-4.2: Manufacturer: Amazon<br>
+usb 1-4.2: SerialNumber: B008A0A012250P0E<br>
+scsi18 : usb-storage 1-4.2:1.0<br>
+2:2:1: usb_set_interface failed<br>
+scsi 18:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Kindle   Internal Storage 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] 6410688 512-byte logical blocks: (3.28 GB/3.05 GiB)<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 0f 00 00 00<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through<br>
+ sdc: sdc1<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk<br>
+2:1:1: usb_set_interface failed<br>
+2:2:1: usb_set_interface failed<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Do you have any old log file to verify whether this &quot;usb_set_interface failed&quot; message also happening when your kindle was correctly mounted in read-write mode?<br>
+<br> <br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+On Wednesday 30 Nov 2011 09:39 my mailbox was graced by a message from<br>
+<div class="im">Alejandro López who wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt; Since last night the automounting through USB of a Kindle on my desktop<br>
+&gt; &gt; (mageia 1/KDE) mounts it as Read Only, making it impossible to load books<br>
+&gt; &gt; from the computer.<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im"> &gt; This usually happens when the filesystem is corrupted. Try a fsck on it.<br>
+<br>
+</div>root@localhost:/home/ron # fsck /dev/sdc1<br>
+Reclaimed 88 unused clusters (720896 bytes).<br>
+Free cluster summary wrong (352493 vs. really 352666)<br>
+1) Correct<br>
+2) Don&#39;t correct<br>
+? 1<br>
+Leaving file system unchanged.<br>
+/dev/sdc1: 481 files, 47608/400274 clusters<br>
+<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>Why did fsck leave the file system unchanged if you said 1 (Correct)? Did it somehow misunderstood what you wanted? You could maybe try with the option -p to automatically fix any problem it finds, and avoid the question. Unluckily I have no other idea.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">root@localhost:/home/ron # dmesg<br>
+2:1:1: usb_set_interface failed<br>
+usb 1-4.2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 25<br>
+usb 1-4.2: New USB device found, idVendor=1949, idProduct=0004<br>
+usb 1-4.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3<br>
+usb 1-4.2: Product: Amazon Kindle<br>
+usb 1-4.2: Manufacturer: Amazon<br>
+usb 1-4.2: SerialNumber: B008A0A012250P0E<br>
+scsi18 : usb-storage 1-4.2:1.0<br>
+2:2:1: usb_set_interface failed<br>
+scsi 18:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Kindle   Internal Storage 0100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 2<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg3 type 0<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] 6410688 512-byte logical blocks: (3.28 GB/3.05 GiB)<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Write Protect is off<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Mode Sense: 0f 00 00 00<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through<br>
+ sdc: sdc1<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through<br>
+sd 18:0:0:0: [sdc] Attached SCSI removable disk<br>
+2:1:1: usb_set_interface failed<br>
+2:2:1: usb_set_interface failed<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Do you have any old log file to verify whether this &quot;usb_set_interface failed&quot; message also happening when your kindle was correctly mounted in read-write mode?<br>
+<br> <br></div></div><br>
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+On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Since last night the automounting through USB of a Kindle on my desktop<br>
+(mageia 1/KDE) mounts it as Read Only, making it impossible to load books from<br>
+the computer.<br>
+<br>
+Any idea why, and how to change the behaviour ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>This usually happens when the filesystem is corrupted. Try a fsck on it.<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br></div></div>
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+On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
+Since last night the automounting through USB of a Kindle on my desktop<br>
+(mageia 1/KDE) mounts it as Read Only, making it impossible to load books from<br>
+the computer.<br>
+<br>
+Any idea why, and how to change the behaviour ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>This usually happens when the filesystem is corrupted. Try a fsck on it.<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br></div></div>
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+Johnny,<br><br>Thank you.� I was able to alter the file and run &quot;msecpaerms -e&quot;.<br><br>I noticed that a Mandriva System had the same settings, except for an account that I added a long time after install, versus during the install.<br>
+<br>--Jeff<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Monday 12 December 2011 03:19, Jeff Robins wrote:<br>
+&gt; Can I safely change the permissions to &#39;700&#39;?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Sure, but in a minute or so msec may revert the changes.<br>
+<br>
+I would change it in /etc/security/msec/perms.conf (Perhaps /etc/security/msec/perm.local can be used) and run msecperms afterwards.<br>
+===<br>
+/home/* � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �current.current � � � � 700<br>
+===<br>
+Then msec will from now on automatically enforce the permissions to what you want.<br>
+(Note: The spaces between the tree fields are TABs in my file, and not spaces. Also, &quot;current.current&quot; means that msec wont change the owner of files and folders. In /home/ you really don&#39;t want msec to automatically change ownership of files, or yourt users will be angry :-)= )<br>
+
+<br>
+To get a grasp of some of the currently forced entries and what you can do, look in the various config files in /etc/security/msec/.<br>
+If you have the default security level, the *.standard are the files you want to look into. (I think) &quot;*.local&quot; overrides the default values.<br>
+<br>
+I use this to enforce customized access restrictions on a couple of programs, so the few users who have access to my gateway don&#39;t have access to telnet and nmap unless they are members of a special group that I&#39;ve setup.<br>
+
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Johnny,<br><br>Thank you.� I was able to alter the file and run &quot;msecpaerms -e&quot;.<br><br>I noticed that a Mandriva System had the same settings, except for an account that I added a long time after install, versus during the install.<br>
+<br>--Jeff<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Johnny A. Solbu <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Monday 12 December 2011 03:19, Jeff Robins wrote:<br>
+&gt; Can I safely change the permissions to &#39;700&#39;?<br>
+<br>
+</div>Sure, but in a minute or so msec may revert the changes.<br>
+<br>
+I would change it in /etc/security/msec/perms.conf (Perhaps /etc/security/msec/perm.local can be used) and run msecperms afterwards.<br>
+===<br>
+/home/* � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �current.current � � � � 700<br>
+===<br>
+Then msec will from now on automatically enforce the permissions to what you want.<br>
+(Note: The spaces between the tree fields are TABs in my file, and not spaces. Also, &quot;current.current&quot; means that msec wont change the owner of files and folders. In /home/ you really don&#39;t want msec to automatically change ownership of files, or yourt users will be angry :-)= )<br>
+
+<br>
+To get a grasp of some of the currently forced entries and what you can do, look in the various config files in /etc/security/msec/.<br>
+If you have the default security level, the *.standard are the files you want to look into. (I think) &quot;*.local&quot; overrides the default values.<br>
+<br>
+I use this to enforce customized access restrictions on a couple of programs, so the few users who have access to my gateway don&#39;t have access to telnet and nmap unless they are members of a special group that I&#39;ve setup.<br>
+
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I don&#39;t know what is the right place to request new features for Mageia 2, I just subscribed to this mailing list.<br>So my feature request would be to support uppercase letters in usernames, like in openSUSE and Fedora.<br>
+<br>Thanks!<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I don&#39;t know what is the right place to request new features for Mageia 2, I just subscribed to this mailing list.<br>So my feature request would be to support uppercase letters in usernames, like in openSUSE and Fedora.<br>
+<br>Thanks!<br>
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+Ron,<br><br>I don&#39;t know about the &quot;clearlooks&quot; error, but the other items are normal errors due to certain packages not being installed,<br>but the items existing in MCC.� <br><br>I know I get the last 4, but I don&#39;t know if I get the &quot;[Menus]&quot; error.<br>
+<br>&quot;drakmenustyle&quot; might not be used anymore because Mageia is very integrated with KDE, but I&#39;m not sure.<br>&quot;drakbackup&quot; is being deprecated and should probably be removed.� <br>&quot;drakvirt&quot; is only installed if you want to use virtualization.<br>
+&quot;tomoyo-gui&quot; is used for access control and is not used by default.<br>&quot;drakgaurd&quot; says it is for parental controls, but I&#39;ve never used it.<br><br><br>--Jeff<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">When starting mcc in a konsole, I get the following errors:<br>
+<br>
+root@localhost:~ # Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in<br>
+module_path: &quot;clearlooks&quot;, at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm" target="_blank">mygtk2.pm</a> line 20.<br>
+&quot;/usr/bin/drakmenustyle&quot; is not executable [Menus] at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real<br>
+line 822.<br>
+&quot;/usr/sbin/drakbackup&quot; is not executable [Backups] at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real<br>
+line 822.<br>
+&quot;/usr/sbin/drakvirt&quot; is not executable [Virtualization] at<br>
+/usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 822.<br>
+&quot;/usr/sbin/tomoyo-gui&quot; is not executable [Tomoyo Policy] at<br>
+/usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 822.<br>
+&quot;/usr/sbin/drakguard&quot; is not executable [Parental Controls] at<br>
+/usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 822.<br>
+<br>
+Is that notmal ?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � � � � � �History is on our side<br>
+ � � � � � � � � (as long as we can control the historians).<br>
+<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+Ron,<br><br>I don&#39;t know about the &quot;clearlooks&quot; error, but the other items are normal errors due to certain packages not being installed,<br>but the items existing in MCC.� <br><br>I know I get the last 4, but I don&#39;t know if I get the &quot;[Menus]&quot; error.<br>
+<br>&quot;drakmenustyle&quot; might not be used anymore because Mageia is very integrated with KDE, but I&#39;m not sure.<br>&quot;drakbackup&quot; is being deprecated and should probably be removed.� <br>&quot;drakvirt&quot; is only installed if you want to use virtualization.<br>
+&quot;tomoyo-gui&quot; is used for access control and is not used by default.<br>&quot;drakgaurd&quot; says it is for parental controls, but I&#39;ve never used it.<br><br><br>--Jeff<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:55 AM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">When starting mcc in a konsole, I get the following errors:<br>
+<br>
+root@localhost:~ # Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate theme engine in<br>
+module_path: &quot;clearlooks&quot;, at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm" target="_blank">mygtk2.pm</a> line 20.<br>
+&quot;/usr/bin/drakmenustyle&quot; is not executable [Menus] at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real<br>
+line 822.<br>
+&quot;/usr/sbin/drakbackup&quot; is not executable [Backups] at /usr/sbin/drakconf.real<br>
+line 822.<br>
+&quot;/usr/sbin/drakvirt&quot; is not executable [Virtualization] at<br>
+/usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 822.<br>
+&quot;/usr/sbin/tomoyo-gui&quot; is not executable [Tomoyo Policy] at<br>
+/usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 822.<br>
+&quot;/usr/sbin/drakguard&quot; is not executable [Parental Controls] at<br>
+/usr/sbin/drakconf.real line 822.<br>
+<br>
+Is that notmal ?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<font color="#888888">--<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � � � � � �History is on our side<br>
+ � � � � � � � � (as long as we can control the historians).<br>
+<br>
+ � � � � � � � � � -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+</font></blockquote></div><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 16:04:39 Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Wednesday 14 Dec 2011 09:39 my mailbox was graced by a message from</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Buchan</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Milne who wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; So my feature request would be to support uppercase letters in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; usernames,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Can you explain why you would want this?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Why not ? Is not Linux about freedom of choice ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And since the system accepts upper case in user names, why restrict them at</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the mcc/userdrake level ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Because it may not be the best choice for the user, and limit their choices going forward.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So, if you create the users TEST, test, Test, teSt, and later decide you want to migrate them to LDAP or Samba4, which one do you want to keep?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 16:04:39 Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Wednesday 14 Dec 2011 09:39 my mailbox was graced by a message from</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Buchan</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Milne who wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; So my feature request would be to support uppercase letters in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; usernames,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Can you explain why you would want this?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Why not ? Is not Linux about freedom of choice ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And since the system accepts upper case in user names, why restrict them at</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the mcc/userdrake level ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Because it may not be the best choice for the user, and limit their choices going forward.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So, if you create the users TEST, test, Test, teSt, and later decide you want to migrate them to LDAP or Samba4, which one do you want to keep?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 14 Dec 2011 16:38:34 nicolas vigier wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; From what he wrote, I get the impression he prefers to see iZoli,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; rather than izoli, when working the CLI. Why not ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Well, then just change the prompt, so it will display iZoli. Why do we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; need to support uppercase letters in user names for that?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;�</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Indeed. The uid is not meant to be the display name, unless by</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; default. Wondered if we had a better option than export FULLNAME=`grep</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -e &quot;^$USER:&quot; /etc/passwd|gawk -F':' '{print $5}'` in .bash_profile?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; getent passwd $USER | gawk -F':' '{print $5}'</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; so that it works if the account is not in /etc/passwd.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">To get that into the CLI prompt do:-</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">export PS1=&quot;[`getent passwd $USER | gawk -F':' '{print $5}'`@\h \W]\$ &quot;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'DejaVu Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 14 Dec 2011 16:38:34 nicolas vigier wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; From what he wrote, I get the impression he prefers to see iZoli,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; rather than izoli, when working the CLI. Why not ?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Well, then just change the prompt, so it will display iZoli. Why do we</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; need to support uppercase letters in user names for that?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;�</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Indeed. The uid is not meant to be the display name, unless by</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; default. Wondered if we had a better option than export FULLNAME=`grep</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; -e &quot;^$USER:&quot; /etc/passwd|gawk -F':' '{print $5}'` in .bash_profile?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; getent passwd $USER | gawk -F':' '{print $5}'</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; so that it works if the account is not in /etc/passwd.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">To get that into the CLI prompt do:-</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">export PS1=&quot;[`getent passwd $USER | gawk -F':' '{print $5}'`@\h \W]\$ &quot;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
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+There is no technical reason, just aesthetic. iZoli username looks better than izoli, that&#39;s it. If you work with command line, the username is displayed.<br>It won&#39;t break my heart if this will be rejected.<br><br>
+Regards,<br>Zoli<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Buchan Milne <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net">bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans Mono&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><div class="im">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:07:43 iZoli wrote:</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; So my feature request would be to support uppercase letters in usernames,</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+</div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Can you explain *why* you would want this?</p><div class="im">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; like in openSUSE and Fedora.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+</div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">In my opinion, this isn&#39;t a good reason.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Note that most tools are case insensitive, so for example, you can already log in with your username in any case you like:</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ id -un</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">bgmilne</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ echo $USER</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">bgmilne</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ ssh BGMILNE@localhost id -un</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">bgmilne</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">In most cases, what is displayed to the user in any situation where a friendly name is expected, the GECOS field, which is case sensitive and supports uppercase, is used.</p>
+
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I really just don&#39;t see the point ...</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Regards,</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Buchan</p></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+There is no technical reason, just aesthetic. iZoli username looks better than izoli, that&#39;s it. If you work with command line, the username is displayed.<br>It won&#39;t break my heart if this will be rejected.<br><br>
+Regards,<br>Zoli<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Buchan Milne <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net">bgmilne@staff.telkomsa.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans Mono&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><div class="im">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:07:43 iZoli wrote:</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; So my feature request would be to support uppercase letters in usernames,</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+</div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Can you explain *why* you would want this?</p><div class="im">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; like in openSUSE and Fedora.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+</div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">In my opinion, this isn&#39;t a good reason.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Note that most tools are case insensitive, so for example, you can already log in with your username in any case you like:</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ id -un</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">bgmilne</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ echo $USER</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">bgmilne</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ ssh BGMILNE@localhost id -un</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">bgmilne</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">In most cases, what is displayed to the user in any situation where a friendly name is expected, the GECOS field, which is case sensitive and supports uppercase, is used.</p>
+
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I really just don&#39;t see the point ...</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Regards,</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Buchan</p></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 15:22:37 iZoli wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; There is no technical reason, just aesthetic. iZoli username looks better</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; than izoli, that's it. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Does /Etc look better than /etc too? Maybe we should move to FhS, instead of supporting FHS  .... for the aesthetics, regardless of how much work it is, or what subtle bugs there will be ...</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans Mono'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday, 14 December 2011 15:22:37 iZoli wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; There is no technical reason, just aesthetic. iZoli username looks better</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; than izoli, that's it. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Does /Etc look better than /etc too? Maybe we should move to FhS, instead of supporting FHS  .... for the aesthetics, regardless of how much work it is, or what subtle bugs there will be ...</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:07:43 iZoli wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So my feature request would be to support uppercase letters in usernames,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Can you explain *why* you would want this?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; like in openSUSE and Fedora.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In my opinion, this isn't a good reason.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Note that most tools are case insensitive, so for example, you can already log in with your username in any case you like:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ id -un</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">bgmilne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ echo $USER</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">bgmilne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ ssh BGMILNE@localhost id -un</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">bgmilne</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In most cases, what is displayed to the user in any situation where a friendly name is expected, the GECOS field, which is case sensitive and supports uppercase, is used.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I really just don't see the point ...</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Tuesday, 13 December 2011 00:07:43 iZoli wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So my feature request would be to support uppercase letters in usernames,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Can you explain *why* you would want this?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; like in openSUSE and Fedora.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In my opinion, this isn't a good reason.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Note that most tools are case insensitive, so for example, you can already log in with your username in any case you like:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ id -un</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">bgmilne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ echo $USER</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">bgmilne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[bgmilne@tiger ~]$ ssh BGMILNE@localhost id -un</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">bgmilne</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In most cases, what is displayed to the user in any situation where a friendly name is expected, the GECOS field, which is case sensitive and supports uppercase, is used.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I really just don't see the point ...</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buchan</p></body></html>
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+Hi, all. I also wish we could find translators for all languages but I&#39;m afraid this is not very realistic. Instead I suggest a bit softer solution. We replace word Mandriva with Mageia were we can in bootloader *.po files and mark those strings fuzzy. I can offer my help for that to the extend of my abilities.<br>
+<br><br>Thanks for Alpha 2 and happy holidays,<br>Filip.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 December 2011 23:59, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
+<br>
+these days Damien contacted me about the bootloader translation.<br>
+The problem is, we do have quite some languages, that don&#39;t have i18n teams in<br>
+Mageia.<br>
+So there are quite some languages where the bootloader still contains strings<br>
+about Mandriva.<br>
+<br>
+Now there are two solutions.<br>
+Either we do find translators of those languages, who fix those translations<br>
+(and while they are on it, join i18n and fix/complete all other translations as<br>
+well :D)<br>
+or we just delete those translated strings. People in those languages will<br>
+then see English strings instead but at least no Mandriva strings any more.<br>
+<br>
+If you are interested in helping us, have a look at<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_%28i18n%29" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n)</a><br>
+and do contact me.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi, all. I also wish we could find translators for all languages but I&#39;m afraid this is not very realistic. Instead I suggest a bit softer solution. We replace word Mandriva with Mageia were we can in bootloader *.po files and mark those strings fuzzy. I can offer my help for that to the extend of my abilities.<br>
+<br><br>Thanks for Alpha 2 and happy holidays,<br>Filip.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 December 2011 23:59, Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@googlemail.com">oliver.bgr@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
+<br>
+these days Damien contacted me about the bootloader translation.<br>
+The problem is, we do have quite some languages, that don&#39;t have i18n teams in<br>
+Mageia.<br>
+So there are quite some languages where the bootloader still contains strings<br>
+about Mandriva.<br>
+<br>
+Now there are two solutions.<br>
+Either we do find translators of those languages, who fix those translations<br>
+(and while they are on it, join i18n and fix/complete all other translations as<br>
+well :D)<br>
+or we just delete those translated strings. People in those languages will<br>
+then see English strings instead but at least no Mandriva strings any more.<br>
+<br>
+If you are interested in helping us, have a look at<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_%28i18n%29" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Internationalisation_Team_(i18n)</a><br>
+and do contact me.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Liam R E Quin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:liam@holoweb.net">liam@holoweb.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 09:07 -0800, Jeff Robins wrote:<br>
+&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+&gt; Hash: SHA256<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 12/29/2011 02:34 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Also, neither that nor the ATI radion X1300 card in my desktop detected<br>
+&gt; &gt; when I rotated the monitor in Linux, or if they did (more likely), they<br>
+&gt; &gt; didn&#39;t act on it.<br>
+</div>[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Do you mean that they didn&#39;t automatically detect when you physically<br>
+&gt; rotated the screen or whether they ignored the settings in Xorg.conf?<br>
+<br>
+</div>I mean that I was working in portrait mode, then, with X running,<br>
+rotated the display to landscape mode, and the displayed pixels did not<br>
+change, so that e.g. menus and applications were now sideways.<br>�</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I then used xrandr on the system with the ATI card; I forget what I did<br>
+on the laptop with an nvidia card. The result was a loss of<br>
+acceleration. �I did not edit xorg.conf at all.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Liam<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <a href="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</a><br>
+Pictures from old books: <a href="http://fromoldbooks.org/" target="_blank">http://fromoldbooks.org/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><div>Does rotating the screen work in Windows?�</div><div><br></div><div>This sounds like something that isn&#39;t supported via the DVI/VGA cables or a problem with support in the�proprietary�drivers.</div>
+<div>The drivers could probably do the rotations, they just never got the proper signal. �Having &quot;Xinerama&quot; enabled for the AMD�</div><div>drivers really restricts what options you have, but duasl monitors didn&#39;t work with AMD&#39;s driver any other way.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>--Jeff</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 9:19 PM, Liam R E Quin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:liam@holoweb.net">liam@holoweb.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 2011-12-30 at 09:07 -0800, Jeff Robins wrote:<br>
+&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+&gt; Hash: SHA256<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 12/29/2011 02:34 PM, Liam R E Quin wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Also, neither that nor the ATI radion X1300 card in my desktop detected<br>
+&gt; &gt; when I rotated the monitor in Linux, or if they did (more likely), they<br>
+&gt; &gt; didn&#39;t act on it.<br>
+</div>[...]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Do you mean that they didn&#39;t automatically detect when you physically<br>
+&gt; rotated the screen or whether they ignored the settings in Xorg.conf?<br>
+<br>
+</div>I mean that I was working in portrait mode, then, with X running,<br>
+rotated the display to landscape mode, and the displayed pixels did not<br>
+change, so that e.g. menus and applications were now sideways.<br>�</blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I then used xrandr on the system with the ATI card; I forget what I did<br>
+on the laptop with an nvidia card. The result was a loss of<br>
+acceleration. �I did not edit xorg.conf at all.<br>
+<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+Liam<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <a href="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</a><br>
+Pictures from old books: <a href="http://fromoldbooks.org/" target="_blank">http://fromoldbooks.org/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><div>Does rotating the screen work in Windows?�</div><div><br></div><div>This sounds like something that isn&#39;t supported via the DVI/VGA cables or a problem with support in the�proprietary�drivers.</div>
+<div>The drivers could probably do the rotations, they just never got the proper signal. �Having &quot;Xinerama&quot; enabled for the AMD�</div><div>drivers really restricts what options you have, but duasl monitors didn&#39;t work with AMD&#39;s driver any other way.</div>
+<div><br></div><div>--Jeff</div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't know if it is really important and if it is often (I just began with these ml)  but I think there is a problem somewhere for some emails sent in the updates-announce mailing list.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Example (the last one I received) :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[updates-announce] Package update: timezone-2011n-2.1.mga1 (core)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It is written in the email :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Timezone is a package that contains data files with rules for various</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">timezones around the world. This update addresses the following</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">changes:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- Fiji adopts DST for 2011 (effective Oct 23rd, 2011)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- West Bank changes date for DST end in 2011 to Sep 30th</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- Fix DST for: Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic, Ukraine,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Bahia and Brazil. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3034&quot;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">When you clicked the 3034 it is not related with timezone at all and in fact the related bug report is the https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3045</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">--&gt; just a typo error ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A+</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Raph</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I don't know if it is really important and if it is often (I just began with these ml)  but I think there is a problem somewhere for some emails sent in the updates-announce mailing list.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Example (the last one I received) :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[updates-announce] Package update: timezone-2011n-2.1.mga1 (core)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It is written in the email :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&quot;Timezone is a package that contains data files with rules for various</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">timezones around the world. This update addresses the following</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">changes:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- Fiji adopts DST for 2011 (effective Oct 23rd, 2011)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- West Bank changes date for DST end in 2011 to Sep 30th</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- Fix DST for: Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic, Ukraine,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Bahia and Brazil. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3034&quot;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">When you clicked the 3034 it is not related with timezone at all and in fact the related bug report is the https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3045</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">--&gt; just a typo error ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A+</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Raph</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
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+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p></body></html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    As you know, Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome-Shell with the look &amp;
+    feel &amp; <br>
+    workflow of Gnome2, developed and maintained by Clement Lefebvre<br>
+    "Clem" from Linux-Mint.<br>
+    <br>
+    At the moment, already rpms and debs for other distributions like
+    Ubuntu,<br>
+    Fedora, Arch and OpenSuse are built:
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61">http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61</a><br>
+    <br>
+    In my opinion, Cinnamon will be a sustainable alternative for
+    ex-Gnome2-users,<br>
+    who don't like the "smartphone-look" of Gnome3<br>
+    <br>
+    So I propose to implement Cinnamon also in Mageia as a third "heavy"
+    DE next to<br>
+    KDE4 and Gnome3<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    Bernd<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "></span><em style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal;
+      color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-variant:
+      normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2;
+      text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
+      white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px;
+      -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
+      background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: small; "></em><span
+      style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"></span></span><em
+      style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
+      font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-variant: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; "></em><span style="color: rgb(34,
+      34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal;
+      font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
+      line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto;
+      text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
+      widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
+      -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
+      255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float: none; "></span><span
+      style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"></span></span><em
+      style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);
+      font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-variant: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; "></em><span style="color: rgb(34,
+      34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal;
+      font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal;
+      line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto;
+      text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal;
+      widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
+      -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255,
+      255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float: none; "></span>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-15">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    As you know, Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome-Shell with the look &amp;
+    feel &amp; <br>
+    workflow of Gnome2, developed and maintained by Clement Lefebvre<br>
+    "Clem" from Linux-Mint.<br>
+    <br>
+    At the moment, already rpms and debs for other distributions like
+    Ubuntu,<br>
+    Fedora, Arch and OpenSuse are built:
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61">http://cinnamon.linuxmint.com/?page_id=61</a><br>
+    <br>
+    In my opinion, Cinnamon will be a sustainable alternative for
+    ex-Gnome2-users,<br>
+    who don't like the "smartphone-look" of Gnome3<br>
+    <br>
+    So I propose to implement Cinnamon also in Mageia as a third "heavy"
+    DE next to<br>
+    KDE4 and Gnome3<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    Bernd<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif;
+      font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal;
+      letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 16px; orphans: 2; text-align:
+      -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space:
+      normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust:
+      auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255,
+      255, 255); font-size: small; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "></span><em style="font-weight: bold; font-style: normal;
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+On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM, TJ <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+This has happened once in a while before, but considerably more often in the last few days.<br>
+<br>
+I have Mageia set up to automatically log in my one and only ordinary user when I boot up. Lately, maybe 25% of the time, when I boot up the volume control is missing from the system tray. Logging out and back in (reboot not needed, but would probably work, too)restores it. I noticed today and yesterday that when this happens the &quot;welcome&quot; music is truncated to one or two notes. I didn&#39;t notice one way or the other before yesterday.<br>
+
+<br></blockquote><div>It some times happens to me that the CPU info applet is missing. In that
+ case, all I do is kill the panel (pkill gnome-panel). When it is 
+automatically re-launched, everything is OK.<br><br><br><br></div></div>
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+On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 5:54 PM, TJ <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+This has happened once in a while before, but considerably more often in the last few days.<br>
+<br>
+I have Mageia set up to automatically log in my one and only ordinary user when I boot up. Lately, maybe 25% of the time, when I boot up the volume control is missing from the system tray. Logging out and back in (reboot not needed, but would probably work, too)restores it. I noticed today and yesterday that when this happens the &quot;welcome&quot; music is truncated to one or two notes. I didn&#39;t notice one way or the other before yesterday.<br>
+
+<br></blockquote><div>It some times happens to me that the CPU info applet is missing. In that
+ case, all I do is kill the panel (pkill gnome-panel). When it is 
+automatically re-launched, everything is OK.<br><br><br><br></div></div>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    On 01/09/2012 02:47 AM, Alejandro López wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAHDxzReTgk-UvNbXqFxoTuy-phjtDV4O0ZHX3NC_ZRHEh_4TtQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      My silly problem started <b>about</b> the same day I switched
+      from Mandriva to Mageiga. I cannot actually tell whether it was
+      the same day, or if it started a few days before or a few days
+      after.<br>
+      <br>
+      The problem is that when I'm presented the login screen right
+      after booting with all the users (I have 5), their pictures are
+      not shown, although they used to be. If I log-in and -out, then
+      their pictures are shown.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    This may have something to do with the business of MDV's
+    documentation and artwork not being FOSS, and therefore not directly
+    usable by Mageia. <br>
+    <br>
+    If you were configured to use the system-supplied icons, there may
+    be none in Mageia.  Or, the default enablement for this feature may
+    have changed; see
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.20/overview.html#facebrowser">http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.20/overview.html#facebrowser</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    On 01/09/2012 02:47 AM, Alejandro López wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAHDxzReTgk-UvNbXqFxoTuy-phjtDV4O0ZHX3NC_ZRHEh_4TtQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      My silly problem started <b>about</b> the same day I switched
+      from Mandriva to Mageiga. I cannot actually tell whether it was
+      the same day, or if it started a few days before or a few days
+      after.<br>
+      <br>
+      The problem is that when I'm presented the login screen right
+      after booting with all the users (I have 5), their pictures are
+      not shown, although they used to be. If I log-in and -out, then
+      their pictures are shown.<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    This may have something to do with the business of MDV's
+    documentation and artwork not being FOSS, and therefore not directly
+    usable by Mageia. <br>
+    <br>
+    If you were configured to use the system-supplied icons, there may
+    be none in Mageia.  Or, the default enablement for this feature may
+    have changed; see
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.20/overview.html#facebrowser">http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.20/overview.html#facebrowser</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+Hi,<br><br>My silly problem started <b>about</b> the same day I switched from Mandriva to Mageiga. I cannot actually tell whether it was the same day, or if it started a few days before or a few days after.<br><br>The problem is that when I&#39;m presented the login screen right after booting with all the users (I have 5), their pictures are not shown, although they used to be. If I log-in and -out, then their pictures are shown. <br>
+<br>Seems like the photos were available too late in the boot process, but I cannot imagine what could produce something like that. If I remember well, those photos are stored in the home directory. I have a separate partition (on the boot disk) for /home. Is it possible that when GDM is launched, /home is not yet mounted? I think I checked that and it wasn&#39;t the case, but I not completely sure.<br>
+<br>I tried to deactivate fastboot, but I only found something called speedboot. Is it the same thing? Anyway, de-activating it changed nothing.<br><br>Any ideas about what could be producing this (and specially about how to solve it)?<br>
+<br>Thanks.<br>Alejandro.<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>My silly problem started <b>about</b> the same day I switched from Mandriva to Mageiga. I cannot actually tell whether it was the same day, or if it started a few days before or a few days after.<br><br>The problem is that when I&#39;m presented the login screen right after booting with all the users (I have 5), their pictures are not shown, although they used to be. If I log-in and -out, then their pictures are shown. <br>
+<br>Seems like the photos were available too late in the boot process, but I cannot imagine what could produce something like that. If I remember well, those photos are stored in the home directory. I have a separate partition (on the boot disk) for /home. Is it possible that when GDM is launched, /home is not yet mounted? I think I checked that and it wasn&#39;t the case, but I not completely sure.<br>
+<br>I tried to deactivate fastboot, but I only found something called speedboot. Is it the same thing? Anyway, de-activating it changed nothing.<br><br>Any ideas about what could be producing this (and specially about how to solve it)?<br>
+<br>Thanks.<br>Alejandro.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:31 PM, nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sun, 04 Dec 2011, Alejandro López wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I tried to update today my Mageia 1 installation and I cannot select glibc<br>
+&gt; 2.12.1 11.2-mga1 because the dependency dash-static is not satisfied. I<br>
+&gt; find it quite strange that glibc depends on dash... Is it normal?<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s normal and was also required by previous glibc package. It is used<br>
+in post scripts.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>Thanks Nicolas! (looks like I forgot to thank you when I read your answer).<br><br>Knowing this reason, I installed dash-static and the problem was solved.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:31 PM, nicolas vigier <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:boklm@mars-attacks.org">boklm@mars-attacks.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sun, 04 Dec 2011, Alejandro López wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I tried to update today my Mageia 1 installation and I cannot select glibc<br>
+&gt; 2.12.1 11.2-mga1 because the dependency dash-static is not satisfied. I<br>
+&gt; find it quite strange that glibc depends on dash... Is it normal?<br>
+<br>
+It&#39;s normal and was also required by previous glibc package. It is used<br>
+in post scripts.<br>
+<br></blockquote><div> </div></div>Thanks Nicolas! (looks like I forgot to thank you when I read your answer).<br><br>Knowing this reason, I installed dash-static and the problem was solved.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="im">
+    On 01/09/2012 02:47 AM, Alejandro López wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      My silly problem started <b>about</b> the same day I switched
+      from Mandriva to Mageiga. I cannot actually tell whether it was
+      the same day, or if it started a few days before or a few days
+      after.<br>
+      <br>
+      The problem is that when I&#39;m presented the login screen right
+      after booting with all the users (I have 5), their pictures are
+      not shown, although they used to be. If I log-in and -out, then
+      their pictures are shown.<br>
+    </blockquote></div>
+    This may have something to do with the business of MDV&#39;s
+    documentation and artwork not being FOSS, and therefore not directly
+    usable by Mageia. <br>
+    <br>
+    If you were configured to use the system-supplied icons, there may
+    be none in Mageia.  Or, the default enablement for this feature may
+    have changed; see
+    <a href="http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.20/overview.html#facebrowser" target="_blank">http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.20/overview.html#facebrowser</a><br>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m using photos I provided myself instead of the default pictures.<br><br>The strange thing here is that, if I log-in and -out (I guess GDM is relaunched), then it works fine. That is what makes me think of some problem associated to the booting process itself. This happens only the first time after booting the machine.<br>
+<br><br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Frank Griffin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ftg@roadrunner.com">ftg@roadrunner.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div class="im">
+    On 01/09/2012 02:47 AM, Alejandro López wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      My silly problem started <b>about</b> the same day I switched
+      from Mandriva to Mageiga. I cannot actually tell whether it was
+      the same day, or if it started a few days before or a few days
+      after.<br>
+      <br>
+      The problem is that when I&#39;m presented the login screen right
+      after booting with all the users (I have 5), their pictures are
+      not shown, although they used to be. If I log-in and -out, then
+      their pictures are shown.<br>
+    </blockquote></div>
+    This may have something to do with the business of MDV&#39;s
+    documentation and artwork not being FOSS, and therefore not directly
+    usable by Mageia. <br>
+    <br>
+    If you were configured to use the system-supplied icons, there may
+    be none in Mageia.  Or, the default enablement for this feature may
+    have changed; see
+    <a href="http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.20/overview.html#facebrowser" target="_blank">http://projects.gnome.org/gdm/docs/2.20/overview.html#facebrowser</a><br>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></div><br>I&#39;m using photos I provided myself instead of the default pictures.<br><br>The strange thing here is that, if I log-in and -out (I guess GDM is relaunched), then it works fine. That is what makes me think of some problem associated to the booting process itself. This happens only the first time after booting the machine.<br>
+<br><br><br><br>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Bonjour a tous,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div>Je poste ici, mais n'h�sitez pas � m'indiquer quel est le meilleur endroit pour ce type de message.</div><div><br></div><div>En effet, je recherche actuellement un Ing�nieur Syst�mes Linux pour une
+ mission de longue dur�e chez l'un de nos clients grand-comptes dans le 
+secteur bancaire en r�gion parisienne.<br><br>Au sein de l'�quipe Syst�mes/ Virtualisation/ 
+Sauvegarde qui g�re plus de 1 500 serveurs � travers le monde, la 
+personne aura en charge de: <br><br>- La gestion courante de la plateforme Linux<br>- La gestion des incidents (support N3)<br>- La mise en place des nouveaux projets <br>- �tre force de proposition sur une politique de sauvegarde sous Linux<br><br>Environnement technique: Linux Redhat 5/6; NetBack Up; EMC; Hyper-V; Windows 2008 R2</div><div><br></div><div>N'h�sitez pas � transmettre l'offre � votre entourage et de m'envoyer vos CV avec vos coordonn�es.<br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Bien cordialement,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Romanian Translation Team</div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Bonjour a tous,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div>Je poste ici, mais n'h�sitez pas � m'indiquer quel est le meilleur endroit pour ce type de message.</div><div><br></div><div>En effet, je recherche actuellement un Ing�nieur Syst�mes Linux pour une
+ mission de longue dur�e chez l'un de nos clients grand-comptes dans le 
+secteur bancaire en r�gion parisienne.<br><br>Au sein de l'�quipe Syst�mes/ Virtualisation/ 
+Sauvegarde qui g�re plus de 1 500 serveurs � travers le monde, la 
+personne aura en charge de: <br><br>- La gestion courante de la plateforme Linux<br>- La gestion des incidents (support N3)<br>- La mise en place des nouveaux projets <br>- �tre force de proposition sur une politique de sauvegarde sous Linux<br><br>Environnement technique: Linux Redhat 5/6; NetBack Up; EMC; Hyper-V; Windows 2008 R2</div><div><br></div><div>N'h�sitez pas � transmettre l'offre � votre entourage et de m'envoyer vos CV avec vos coordonn�es.<br></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Bien cordialement,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Romanian Translation Team</div></div></body></html>
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Hi Oliver,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>No, it's not a lack of respect from my part.</span></div><div><span>I'd like to transfer this message to the French community mailing list.</span></div><div><span>It's about a job offer for a Linux sys admin here in Paris.</span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Best regards,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Romanian Translation Team<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">  <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Oliver Burger &lt;oliver.bgr@googlemail.com&gt;<br> <b><span
+ style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt; <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 12 January 2012, 11:42<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] [FR] Proposition de poste pour in Ing�nieur Syst�mes Linux<br> </font> </div> <br>Am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2012, 07:29:22 schrieb Renaud (Ron) Olgiati:<br>&gt; On Thursday 12 Jan 2012 07:07 my mailbox was graced by a message from Oliver<br>&gt; Burger who wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; this is an international mailinglist, so if you find it absolutely<br>&gt; &gt; neccessary&nbsp; to post anything in a language other then English, please be<br>&gt; &gt; so kind to at least inform the rest of the world, why this is neccessary.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Could be he only want people who can speak French ?<br>&gt; <br>I see it as a matter of common courtesy to write at least a little excerpt of <br>the
+ foreign language mail for the rest of the world.<br><br>Oliver<br><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div>   </div></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><div><span>Hi Oliver,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>No, it's not a lack of respect from my part.</span></div><div><span>I'd like to transfer this message to the French community mailing list.</span></div><div><span>It's about a job offer for a Linux sys admin here in Paris.</span></div><div>&nbsp;</div><div>Best regards,<br>Florin Catalin RUSSEN<br>Romanian Translation Team<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">  <div style="font-family: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1">  <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Oliver Burger &lt;oliver.bgr@googlemail.com&gt;<br> <b><span
+ style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt; <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 12 January 2012, 11:42<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] [FR] Proposition de poste pour in Ing�nieur Syst�mes Linux<br> </font> </div> <br>Am Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2012, 07:29:22 schrieb Renaud (Ron) Olgiati:<br>&gt; On Thursday 12 Jan 2012 07:07 my mailbox was graced by a message from Oliver<br>&gt; Burger who wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; this is an international mailinglist, so if you find it absolutely<br>&gt; &gt; neccessary&nbsp; to post anything in a language other then English, please be<br>&gt; &gt; so kind to at least inform the rest of the world, why this is neccessary.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; Could be he only want people who can speak French ?<br>&gt; <br>I see it as a matter of common courtesy to write at least a little excerpt of <br>the
+ foreign language mail for the rest of the world.<br><br>Oliver<br><br><br> </div> </div> </blockquote></div>   </div></body></html>
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+<p>I cannot supply a direct link for the download because altera does not allow you to download the software without registering. Registration and the web edition of the software is free.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>Sorry, I&#39;m using the web edition, but it shouldn&#39;t matter as far as the installation is concerned.� I&#39;ll provide a full link when I get home.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, &quot;Florian Hubold&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" target="_blank">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m trying to install Altera&#39;s Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1<br>
+Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install?<br>
+Was it <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we</a><br>
+or <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se</a> ?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>I cannot supply a direct link for the download because altera does not allow you to download the software without registering. Registration and the web edition of the software is free.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>Sorry, I&#39;m using the web edition, but it shouldn&#39;t matter as far as the installation is concerned.� I&#39;ll provide a full link when I get home.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, &quot;Florian Hubold&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" target="_blank">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m trying to install Altera&#39;s Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1<br>
+Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install?<br>
+Was it <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we</a><br>
+or <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se</a> ?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Sorry, I&#39;m using the web edition, but it shouldn&#39;t matter as far as the installation is concerned.� I&#39;ll provide a full link when I get home.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, &quot;Florian Hubold&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m trying to install Altera&#39;s Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1<br>
+Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install?<br>
+Was it <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we</a><br>
+or <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se</a> ?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Sorry, I&#39;m using the web edition, but it shouldn&#39;t matter as far as the installation is concerned.� I&#39;ll provide a full link when I get home.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, &quot;Florian Hubold&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m trying to install Altera&#39;s Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1<br>
+Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install?<br>
+Was it <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we</a><br>
+or <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se</a> ?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>I rebuilt libxml2 from source,� 32 bit, but I still have the problem</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 2:22 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>I cannot supply a direct link for the download because altera does not allow you to download the software without registering. Registration and the web edition of the software is free.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<p>Sorry, I&#39;m using the web edition, but it shouldn&#39;t matter as far as the installation is concerned.� I&#39;ll provide a full link when I get home.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, &quot;Florian Hubold&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" target="_blank">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m trying to install Altera&#39;s Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1<br>
+Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install?<br>
+Was it <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we</a><br>
+or <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se</a> ?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>I rebuilt libxml2 from source,� 32 bit, but I still have the problem</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 2:22 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>I cannot supply a direct link for the download because altera does not allow you to download the software without registering. Registration and the web edition of the software is free.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<p>Sorry, I&#39;m using the web edition, but it shouldn&#39;t matter as far as the installation is concerned.� I&#39;ll provide a full link when I get home.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, &quot;Florian Hubold&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" target="_blank">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m trying to install Altera&#39;s Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1<br>
+Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install?<br>
+Was it <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we</a><br>
+or <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se</a> ?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Okay, so in normal altera style, they ship their own libz with the install and the installer uses that libz. Only problem is that the one they ship doesn&#39;t have the fix for gzdirect.� </p>
+<p>Simply copy a new libz into the altera_installer/bin/ directory and rename it libz.so.1 and then the install will work.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 29, 2012 1:05 AM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>I rebuilt libxml2 from source,� 32 bit, but I still have the problem</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 2:22 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<p>I cannot supply a direct link for the download because altera does not allow you to download the software without registering. Registration and the web edition of the software is free.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<p>Sorry, I&#39;m using the web edition, but it shouldn&#39;t matter as far as the installation is concerned.� I&#39;ll provide a full link when I get home.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, &quot;Florian Hubold&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" target="_blank">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m trying to install Altera&#39;s Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1<br>
+Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install?<br>
+Was it <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we</a><br>
+or <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se</a> ?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Okay, so in normal altera style, they ship their own libz with the install and the installer uses that libz. Only problem is that the one they ship doesn&#39;t have the fix for gzdirect.� </p>
+<p>Simply copy a new libz into the altera_installer/bin/ directory and rename it libz.so.1 and then the install will work.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 29, 2012 1:05 AM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>I rebuilt libxml2 from source,� 32 bit, but I still have the problem</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 2:22 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<p>I cannot supply a direct link for the download because altera does not allow you to download the software without registering. Registration and the web edition of the software is free.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 1:15 PM, &quot;Jeff Robins&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jeffrobinssae@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffrobinssae@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<p>Sorry, I&#39;m using the web edition, but it shouldn&#39;t matter as far as the installation is concerned.� I&#39;ll provide a full link when I get home.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 28, 2012 9:33 AM, &quot;Florian Hubold&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:doktor5000@arcor.de" target="_blank">doktor5000@arcor.de</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+
+Am 28.01.2012 09:33, schrieb Jeff Robins:<br>
+&gt; Hello,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m trying to install Altera&#39;s Quartus v11 on 64-bit Mageia 1<br>
+Mind to share at least a link to what you tried to install?<br>
+Was it <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-we</a><br>
+or <a href="https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se" target="_blank">https://www.altera.com/download/software/quartus-ii-se</a> ?<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
+</blockquote></div>
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+  <head>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Bonjour ou bonsoir,<br>
+    <br>
+    Vous &ecirc;tes cordialement invit&eacute;(e) le jeudi 23 f&eacute;vrier 2012 &agrave; partir
+    de 19h00 pour le remise "officielle", par notre association, du
+    serveur web du Centre Social et Culturel des Amandiers - 8 all&eacute;e des
+    Amandiers - 13090 Aix en Provence.<br>
+    <br>
+    <b><u>Historique</u></b> : Le site internet (<a
+      moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+      href="http://adis-amandiers.fr">http://adis-amandiers.fr</a>) du
+    centre social existe depuis longtemps mais, &agrave; la suite de divers
+    &eacute;v&egrave;nements, sa maintenance et sa mise &agrave; jour &eacute;taient devenues
+    difficiles. Le centre social &eacute;tant "l'h&eacute;bergeur" <i>(1)</i> de
+    notre association, Mandr'Aix a donc oeuvr&eacute; pour remettre le site en
+    route.<br>
+    <br>
+    <b><u>Nos actions</u></b> : Ayant r&eacute;cup&eacute;r&eacute; quelques "ordinosaures"
+    dans le quartier, d&eacute;mont&eacute; et adapt&eacute; ces v&eacute;n&eacute;rables anc&ecirc;tres, il a
+    &eacute;t&eacute; possible d'en tirer un serveur (ce n'est pas un foudre de
+    guerre) mais, &agrave; l'aide d'un syst&egrave;me d'exploitation libre (Mageia
+    Linux), le r&eacute;sultat n'est pas si mal.<br>
+    Pour que le site vive et soit r&eacute;guli&egrave;rement actualis&eacute;, une prochaine
+    formation du personnel du centre social est pr&eacute;vue dans les jours &agrave;
+    venir.<br>
+    <br>
+    Nous esp&eacute;rons vous retrouver nombreuses et nombreux pour la remise
+    d'un ordinateur libre au centre social, en esp&eacute;rant que ce ne sera
+    pas le dernier.<br>
+    <br>
+    <u>Merci de nous informer de votre participation.</u><br>
+    <br>
+    <u>Contact</u> : 06 60 88 38 96<br>
+    <br>
+    <i>(1)</i> Il est bien normal que la structure qui nous h&eacute;berge dans
+    ses locaux soit pourvue d'un serveur pour h&eacute;berger son internet&nbsp; non
+    ? ;-) <br>
+    <br>
+    -- <br>
+    <div class="moz-signature">
+      <pre>             <strong><font color="#cc0000" size="6">Mandr'Aix</font></strong>
+Maison de la Vie Associative - Lou Ligour&egrave;s    @@
+         Place Rom&eacute;e de Villeneuve            /\/\
+           13090 AIX-EN-PROVENCE             /|  |\
+                                               \/
+          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mandraix.org">http://www.mandraix.org</a>              ~~
+             <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mandraix@gmail.com">mandraix@gmail.com</a>
+               06 60 88 38 96
+<img alt="-" src="cid:part1.00080800.06050800@gmail.com" height="35" width="35"> Adoptez l'&eacute;co-attitude.
+      N'imprimez ce mail que si c'est vraiment n&eacute;cessaire.
+      
+-----------------------------------------------------------
+</pre>
+      <pre>Tous les hommes sont des com&eacute;diens, sauf quelques acteurs.
+
+                                   --  Sacha Guitry
+</pre>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    Bonjour ou bonsoir,<br>
+    <br>
+    Vous &ecirc;tes cordialement invit&eacute;(e) le jeudi 23 f&eacute;vrier 2012 &agrave; partir
+    de 19h00 pour le remise "officielle", par notre association, du
+    serveur web du Centre Social et Culturel des Amandiers - 8 all&eacute;e des
+    Amandiers - 13090 Aix en Provence.<br>
+    <br>
+    <b><u>Historique</u></b> : Le site internet (<a
+      moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+      href="http://adis-amandiers.fr">http://adis-amandiers.fr</a>) du
+    centre social existe depuis longtemps mais, &agrave; la suite de divers
+    &eacute;v&egrave;nements, sa maintenance et sa mise &agrave; jour &eacute;taient devenues
+    difficiles. Le centre social &eacute;tant "l'h&eacute;bergeur" <i>(1)</i> de
+    notre association, Mandr'Aix a donc oeuvr&eacute; pour remettre le site en
+    route.<br>
+    <br>
+    <b><u>Nos actions</u></b> : Ayant r&eacute;cup&eacute;r&eacute; quelques "ordinosaures"
+    dans le quartier, d&eacute;mont&eacute; et adapt&eacute; ces v&eacute;n&eacute;rables anc&ecirc;tres, il a
+    &eacute;t&eacute; possible d'en tirer un serveur (ce n'est pas un foudre de
+    guerre) mais, &agrave; l'aide d'un syst&egrave;me d'exploitation libre (Mageia
+    Linux), le r&eacute;sultat n'est pas si mal.<br>
+    Pour que le site vive et soit r&eacute;guli&egrave;rement actualis&eacute;, une prochaine
+    formation du personnel du centre social est pr&eacute;vue dans les jours &agrave;
+    venir.<br>
+    <br>
+    Nous esp&eacute;rons vous retrouver nombreuses et nombreux pour la remise
+    d'un ordinateur libre au centre social, en esp&eacute;rant que ce ne sera
+    pas le dernier.<br>
+    <br>
+    <u>Merci de nous informer de votre participation.</u><br>
+    <br>
+    <u>Contact</u> : 06 60 88 38 96<br>
+    <br>
+    <i>(1)</i> Il est bien normal que la structure qui nous h&eacute;berge dans
+    ses locaux soit pourvue d'un serveur pour h&eacute;berger son internet&nbsp; non
+    ? ;-) <br>
+    <br>
+    -- <br>
+    <div class="moz-signature">
+      <pre>             <strong><font color="#cc0000" size="6">Mandr'Aix</font></strong>
+Maison de la Vie Associative - Lou Ligour&egrave;s    @@
+         Place Rom&eacute;e de Villeneuve            /\/\
+           13090 AIX-EN-PROVENCE             /|  |\
+                                               \/
+          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mandraix.org">http://www.mandraix.org</a>              ~~
+             <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mandraix@gmail.com">mandraix@gmail.com</a>
+               06 60 88 38 96
+<img alt="-" src="cid:part1.00080800.06050800@gmail.com" height="35" width="35"> Adoptez l'&eacute;co-attitude.
+      N'imprimez ce mail que si c'est vraiment n&eacute;cessaire.
+      
+-----------------------------------------------------------
+</pre>
+      <pre>Tous les hommes sont des com&eacute;diens, sauf quelques acteurs.
+
+                                   --  Sacha Guitry
+</pre>
+    </div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 09:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Michael<br>
+<div class="im">Scherer who wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; And I truly doubt that having a separate person ( ie, asking to someone<br>
+&gt; else who has the root password ) would have avoid any issues due to<br>
+&gt; upgrade. I am pretty sure that both of us would have also updated the<br>
+&gt; computer.<br>
+<br>
+</div>It would have avoided the issue of the computer going down when I was not<br>
+available for support.<br>
+<br>
+I would have done the update, hosed the system, and been on the spot to re-<br>
+install immediately, leaving him with a functional system instead of his being<br>
+without computer until I returned..<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>I guess that Mageia&#39;s default configuration was conceived for people managing themselves their systems. If there is a different person administering the system, then it&#39;s this person&#39;s responsibility to change the default behavior to prevent a normal user from updating the system.<br>
+<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 09:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Michael<br>
+<div class="im">Scherer who wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; And I truly doubt that having a separate person ( ie, asking to someone<br>
+&gt; else who has the root password ) would have avoid any issues due to<br>
+&gt; upgrade. I am pretty sure that both of us would have also updated the<br>
+&gt; computer.<br>
+<br>
+</div>It would have avoided the issue of the computer going down when I was not<br>
+available for support.<br>
+<br>
+I would have done the update, hosed the system, and been on the spot to re-<br>
+install immediately, leaving him with a functional system instead of his being<br>
+without computer until I returned..<br>
+<br></blockquote><div>I guess that Mageia&#39;s default configuration was conceived for people managing themselves their systems. If there is a different person administering the system, then it&#39;s this person&#39;s responsibility to change the default behavior to prevent a normal user from updating the system.<br>
+<br><br></div></div>
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+<br><br>Envoyé depuis mon HTC<br><br>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+\ No newline at end of file
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+Hello,<br><br>I recently replaced Ubuntu with Mageia 1 on my laptop. Now I&#39;m seeing this odd issue where I run a full-screen OpenGL application, it behaves normally, but immediately after I exit the application X.org crashes, and KDM relaunches X and gives me a login screen.<br>
+<br>I ran the same applications (the same build, even!) on this hardware under Ubuntu with no problem, so I&#39;m guessing that there&#39;s a buggy driver somewhere in Mageia&#39;s X.org packages.<br><br>This appears to be the relevant section in Xorg.0.log where the video driver gets loaded:<br>
+<br>[ 19466.329] (II) LoadModule: &quot;intel&quot;<br>[ 19466.330] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so<br>[ 19466.330] (II) Module intel: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;<br>[ 19466.330]��� compiled for 1.10.1, module version = 2.15.0<br>
+[ 19466.330]��� Module class: X.Org Video Driver<br>[ 19466.330]��� ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0<br>[ 19466.330] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux<br>[ 19466.330] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,<br>
+������� i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,<br>������� E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G,<br>������� 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45,<br>
+������� 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, B43, Clarkdale, Arrandale,<br>������� Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge,<br>������� Sandybridge, Sandybridge<br>[ 19466.331] (++) using VT number 8<br>
+<br>[ 19466.338] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l<br>[ 19466.342] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)<br>
+[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:00:02.0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 9<br>
+[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:00:02.0<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): RGB weight 888<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor<br>
+[ 19466.343] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 965GM<br>[ 19466.343] (--) intel(0): Chipset: &quot;965GM&quot;<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing enabled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Framebuffer tiled<br>
+[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Pixmaps tiled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): 3D buffers tiled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait enabled<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe<br><br>... And this is what gets dumped to Xorg.0.log when the crash happens:<br>
+<br>Backtrace:<br>[ 21390.820] 0: /etc/X11/X (xorg_backtrace+0x37) [0x80e9b77]<br>[ 21390.820] 1: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x5e5fa) [0x80a65fa]<br>[ 21390.820] 2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xffffe410]<br>[ 21390.820] 3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (0xb72b7000+0x36bbc) [0xb72edbbc]<br>
+[ 21390.820] 4: /etc/X11/X (FreeClientResources+0xf0) [0x808f230]<br>[ 21390.820] 5: /etc/X11/X (FreeAllResources+0x4c) [0x808f2ec]<br>[ 21390.820] 6: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x1a6c1) [0x80626c1]<br>[ 21390.820] 7: /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0xb7428ca6]<br>
+[ 21390.821] 8: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x1a271) [0x8062271]<br>[ 21390.821] Segmentation fault at address 0x118b<br>[ 21390.821] <br>Fatal server error:<br>[ 21390.821] Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting<br>
+[ 21390.821] <br>[ 21390.821] <br>Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support <br>�������� at <a href="http://bugs.mageia.org">http://bugs.mageia.org</a><br>�for help.<br>[ 21390.821] Please also check the log file at &quot;/var/log/Xorg.0.log&quot; for additional information.<br>
+<br>Has anyone seen something similar to this? I suppose that the next step would be to dig through the X.org bug trackers to see if this correlates to any known issue.<br><br>Thanks for reading.<br><br clear="all">William Tracy<br>
+<a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com" target="_blank">afishionado@gmail.com</a><br>Cell phone: (805) 704-0917<br>Internet phone: (707) 206-6441<br>
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+Hello,<br><br>I recently replaced Ubuntu with Mageia 1 on my laptop. Now I&#39;m seeing this odd issue where I run a full-screen OpenGL application, it behaves normally, but immediately after I exit the application X.org crashes, and KDM relaunches X and gives me a login screen.<br>
+<br>I ran the same applications (the same build, even!) on this hardware under Ubuntu with no problem, so I&#39;m guessing that there&#39;s a buggy driver somewhere in Mageia&#39;s X.org packages.<br><br>This appears to be the relevant section in Xorg.0.log where the video driver gets loaded:<br>
+<br>[ 19466.329] (II) LoadModule: &quot;intel&quot;<br>[ 19466.330] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so<br>[ 19466.330] (II) Module intel: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;<br>[ 19466.330]��� compiled for 1.10.1, module version = 2.15.0<br>
+[ 19466.330]��� Module class: X.Org Video Driver<br>[ 19466.330]��� ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0<br>[ 19466.330] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux<br>[ 19466.330] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,<br>
+������� i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,<br>������� E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G,<br>������� 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45,<br>
+������� 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, B43, Clarkdale, Arrandale,<br>������� Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge,<br>������� Sandybridge, Sandybridge<br>[ 19466.331] (++) using VT number 8<br>
+<br>[ 19466.338] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l<br>[ 19466.342] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)<br>
+[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:00:02.0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 9<br>
+[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:00:02.0<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): RGB weight 888<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor<br>
+[ 19466.343] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 965GM<br>[ 19466.343] (--) intel(0): Chipset: &quot;965GM&quot;<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing enabled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Framebuffer tiled<br>
+[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Pixmaps tiled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): 3D buffers tiled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait enabled<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe<br><br>... And this is what gets dumped to Xorg.0.log when the crash happens:<br>
+<br>Backtrace:<br>[ 21390.820] 0: /etc/X11/X (xorg_backtrace+0x37) [0x80e9b77]<br>[ 21390.820] 1: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x5e5fa) [0x80a65fa]<br>[ 21390.820] 2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xffffe410]<br>[ 21390.820] 3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (0xb72b7000+0x36bbc) [0xb72edbbc]<br>
+[ 21390.820] 4: /etc/X11/X (FreeClientResources+0xf0) [0x808f230]<br>[ 21390.820] 5: /etc/X11/X (FreeAllResources+0x4c) [0x808f2ec]<br>[ 21390.820] 6: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x1a6c1) [0x80626c1]<br>[ 21390.820] 7: /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0xb7428ca6]<br>
+[ 21390.821] 8: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x1a271) [0x8062271]<br>[ 21390.821] Segmentation fault at address 0x118b<br>[ 21390.821] <br>Fatal server error:<br>[ 21390.821] Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting<br>
+[ 21390.821] <br>[ 21390.821] <br>Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support <br>�������� at <a href="http://bugs.mageia.org">http://bugs.mageia.org</a><br>�for help.<br>[ 21390.821] Please also check the log file at &quot;/var/log/Xorg.0.log&quot; for additional information.<br>
+<br>Has anyone seen something similar to this? I suppose that the next step would be to dig through the X.org bug trackers to see if this correlates to any known issue.<br><br>Thanks for reading.<br><br clear="all">William Tracy<br>
+<a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com" target="_blank">afishionado@gmail.com</a><br>Cell phone: (805) 704-0917<br>Internet phone: (707) 206-6441<br>
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+<div dir="ltr">you will have similer problem here<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3392">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3392</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/17 William Tracy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com">afishionado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br><br>I recently replaced Ubuntu with Mageia 1 on my laptop. Now I&#39;m seeing this odd issue where I run a full-screen OpenGL application, it behaves normally, but immediately after I exit the application X.org crashes, and KDM relaunches X and gives me a login screen.<br>
+
+<br>I ran the same applications (the same build, even!) on this hardware under Ubuntu with no problem, so I&#39;m guessing that there&#39;s a buggy driver somewhere in Mageia&#39;s X.org packages.<br><br>This appears to be the relevant section in Xorg.0.log where the video driver gets loaded:<br>
+
+<br>[ 19466.329] (II) LoadModule: &quot;intel&quot;<br>[ 19466.330] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so<br>[ 19466.330] (II) Module intel: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;<br>[ 19466.330]��� compiled for 1.10.1, module version = 2.15.0<br>
+
+[ 19466.330]��� Module class: X.Org Video Driver<br>[ 19466.330]��� ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0<br>[ 19466.330] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux<br>[ 19466.330] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,<br>
+
+������� i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,<br>������� E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G,<br>������� 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45,<br>
+
+������� 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, B43, Clarkdale, Arrandale,<br>������� Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge,<br>������� Sandybridge, Sandybridge<br>[ 19466.331] (++) using VT number 8<br>
+
+<br>[ 19466.338] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l<br>[ 19466.342] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)<br>
+
+[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:00:02.0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 9<br>
+
+[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:00:02.0<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): RGB weight 888<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor<br>
+
+[ 19466.343] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 965GM<br>[ 19466.343] (--) intel(0): Chipset: &quot;965GM&quot;<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing enabled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Framebuffer tiled<br>
+
+[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Pixmaps tiled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): 3D buffers tiled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait enabled<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe<br><br>... And this is what gets dumped to Xorg.0.log when the crash happens:<br>
+
+<br>Backtrace:<br>[ 21390.820] 0: /etc/X11/X (xorg_backtrace+0x37) [0x80e9b77]<br>[ 21390.820] 1: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x5e5fa) [0x80a65fa]<br>[ 21390.820] 2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xffffe410]<br>[ 21390.820] 3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (0xb72b7000+0x36bbc) [0xb72edbbc]<br>
+
+[ 21390.820] 4: /etc/X11/X (FreeClientResources+0xf0) [0x808f230]<br>[ 21390.820] 5: /etc/X11/X (FreeAllResources+0x4c) [0x808f2ec]<br>[ 21390.820] 6: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x1a6c1) [0x80626c1]<br>[ 21390.820] 7: /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0xb7428ca6]<br>
+
+[ 21390.821] 8: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x1a271) [0x8062271]<br>[ 21390.821] Segmentation fault at address 0x118b<br>[ 21390.821] <br>Fatal server error:<br>[ 21390.821] Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting<br>
+
+[ 21390.821] <br>[ 21390.821] <br>Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support <br>�������� at <a href="http://bugs.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://bugs.mageia.org</a><br>�for help.<br>[ 21390.821] Please also check the log file at &quot;/var/log/Xorg.0.log&quot; for additional information.<br>
+
+<br>Has anyone seen something similar to this? I suppose that the next step would be to dig through the X.org bug trackers to see if this correlates to any known issue.<br><br>Thanks for reading.<br><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
+William Tracy<br>
+<a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com" target="_blank">afishionado@gmail.com</a><br>Cell phone: (805) 704-0917<br>Internet phone: (707) 206-6441<br>
+</font></blockquote></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">you will have similer problem here<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3392">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3392</a><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/2/17 William Tracy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com">afishionado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br><br>I recently replaced Ubuntu with Mageia 1 on my laptop. Now I&#39;m seeing this odd issue where I run a full-screen OpenGL application, it behaves normally, but immediately after I exit the application X.org crashes, and KDM relaunches X and gives me a login screen.<br>
+
+<br>I ran the same applications (the same build, even!) on this hardware under Ubuntu with no problem, so I&#39;m guessing that there&#39;s a buggy driver somewhere in Mageia&#39;s X.org packages.<br><br>This appears to be the relevant section in Xorg.0.log where the video driver gets loaded:<br>
+
+<br>[ 19466.329] (II) LoadModule: &quot;intel&quot;<br>[ 19466.330] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so<br>[ 19466.330] (II) Module intel: vendor=&quot;X.Org Foundation&quot;<br>[ 19466.330]��� compiled for 1.10.1, module version = 2.15.0<br>
+
+[ 19466.330]��� Module class: X.Org Video Driver<br>[ 19466.330]��� ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 10.0<br>[ 19466.330] (II) v4l driver for Video4Linux<br>[ 19466.330] (II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,<br>
+
+������� i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,<br>������� E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G,<br>������� 965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45,<br>
+
+������� 4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, B43, Clarkdale, Arrandale,<br>������� Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge,<br>������� Sandybridge, Sandybridge<br>[ 19466.331] (++) using VT number 8<br>
+
+<br>[ 19466.338] (WW) Falling back to old probe method for v4l<br>[ 19466.342] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)<br>
+
+[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: Searching for BusID pci:0000:00:02.0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: node name is /dev/dri/card0<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenDevice: open result is 9, (OK)<br>[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: drmOpenMinor returns 9<br>
+
+[ 19466.343] drmOpenByBusid: drmGetBusid reports pci:0000:00:02.0<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): RGB weight 888<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): Default visual is TrueColor<br>
+
+[ 19466.343] (II) intel(0): Integrated Graphics Chipset: Intel(R) 965GM<br>[ 19466.343] (--) intel(0): Chipset: &quot;965GM&quot;<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Relaxed fencing enabled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Framebuffer tiled<br>
+
+[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): Pixmaps tiled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): 3D buffers tiled<br>[ 19466.343] (**) intel(0): SwapBuffers wait enabled<br>[ 19466.343] (==) intel(0): video overlay key set to 0x101fe<br><br>... And this is what gets dumped to Xorg.0.log when the crash happens:<br>
+
+<br>Backtrace:<br>[ 21390.820] 0: /etc/X11/X (xorg_backtrace+0x37) [0x80e9b77]<br>[ 21390.820] 1: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x5e5fa) [0x80a65fa]<br>[ 21390.820] 2: (vdso) (__kernel_rt_sigreturn+0x0) [0xffffe410]<br>[ 21390.820] 3: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so (0xb72b7000+0x36bbc) [0xb72edbbc]<br>
+
+[ 21390.820] 4: /etc/X11/X (FreeClientResources+0xf0) [0x808f230]<br>[ 21390.820] 5: /etc/X11/X (FreeAllResources+0x4c) [0x808f2ec]<br>[ 21390.820] 6: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x1a6c1) [0x80626c1]<br>[ 21390.820] 7: /lib/i686/libc.so.6 (__libc_start_main+0xe6) [0xb7428ca6]<br>
+
+[ 21390.821] 8: /etc/X11/X (0x8048000+0x1a271) [0x8062271]<br>[ 21390.821] Segmentation fault at address 0x118b<br>[ 21390.821] <br>Fatal server error:<br>[ 21390.821] Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting<br>
+
+[ 21390.821] <br>[ 21390.821] <br>Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support <br>�������� at <a href="http://bugs.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://bugs.mageia.org</a><br>�for help.<br>[ 21390.821] Please also check the log file at &quot;/var/log/Xorg.0.log&quot; for additional information.<br>
+
+<br>Has anyone seen something similar to this? I suppose that the next step would be to dig through the X.org bug trackers to see if this correlates to any known issue.<br><br>Thanks for reading.<br><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
+William Tracy<br>
+<a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com" target="_blank">afishionado@gmail.com</a><br>Cell phone: (805) 704-0917<br>Internet phone: (707) 206-6441<br>
+</font></blockquote></div></div>
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+  <head>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-signature">Bonjour,<br>
+      <br>
+      Comme vous le savez certainement, notre association a pour
+      habitude de faire sa r&eacute;union mensuelle le dernier jeudi de chaque
+      mois au Centre Social et Culturel des Amandiers, 8 All&eacute;e des
+      Amandiers - 13090 Aix en Provence.<br>
+      Le 23 f&eacute;vrier 2012, &agrave; partir de 19h00, en plus de nos activit&eacute;s
+      habituelles li&eacute;es &agrave; l'informatique libre, nous aurons le plaisir
+      de remettre "officiellement" au Directeur du Centre Social, le
+      serveur Internet qui g&egrave;re le site de l'&eacute;tablissement. <br>
+      En effet, pour diverses raisons, il n'&eacute;tait plus possible de faire
+      fonctionner le syst&egrave;me ant&eacute;rieur. L'association Mandr'Aix dont les
+      activit&eacute;s sont h&eacute;berg&eacute;es dans les locaux du Centre Social est donc
+      intervenue pour relancer <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://adis-amandiers.fr">http://adis-amandiers.fr</a> qui est la
+      nouvelle adresse Internet sur un serveur (Mageia/Linux).<br>
+      <br>
+      Vous &ecirc;tes donc cordialement invit&eacute;(e) &agrave; participer &agrave; ce
+      "mini-&eacute;v&egrave;nement".<br>
+      <br>
+      PS Comme le veut la tradition dans notre association, on boita et
+      mangera ce que nous apporterons.<br>
+      <br>
+      Bonne journ&eacute;e,<br>
+      <br>
+      Yves Specht (Pr&eacute;sident) <br>
+      <br>
+      <small><i>Mandr'Aix d&eacute;livre, tous les mercredis soir (de 18h00 &agrave;
+          20h00), une initiation &agrave; l'informatique. Il est en projet de
+          faire aussi des s&eacute;ances "grands d&eacute;butants" le lundi de 10h00 &agrave;
+          12h00. Si, dans votre entourage, vous connaissez des personnes
+          int&eacute;ress&eacute;es, c'est l'occasion de faire conna&icirc;tre notre
+          association.</i></small><br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <pre>             <strong><font color="#CC0000" size="6">Mandr'Aix</font></strong>
+Maison de la Vie Associative - Lou Ligour&egrave;s    @@
+         Place Rom&eacute;e de Villeneuve            /\/\
+           13090 AIX-EN-PROVENCE             /|  |\
+                                               \/
+          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mandraix.org">http://www.mandraix.org</a>              ~~
+             <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mandraix@gmail.com">mandraix@gmail.com</a>
+               06 60 88 38 96
+<img alt="-" src="cid:part1.03070903.05080004@mandraix.org" height="35" width="35"> Adoptez l'&eacute;co-attitude.
+      N'imprimez ce mail que si c'est vraiment n&eacute;cessaire.
+      
+-----------------------------------------------------------
+</pre>
+      <pre>Pour un critique, la premi&egrave;re impression est toujours la bonne, 
+surtout quand elle est mauvaise.
+
+                                    --  Henri Jeanson
+</pre>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+      charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-signature">Bonjour,<br>
+      <br>
+      Comme vous le savez certainement, notre association a pour
+      habitude de faire sa r&eacute;union mensuelle le dernier jeudi de chaque
+      mois au Centre Social et Culturel des Amandiers, 8 All&eacute;e des
+      Amandiers - 13090 Aix en Provence.<br>
+      Le 23 f&eacute;vrier 2012, &agrave; partir de 19h00, en plus de nos activit&eacute;s
+      habituelles li&eacute;es &agrave; l'informatique libre, nous aurons le plaisir
+      de remettre "officiellement" au Directeur du Centre Social, le
+      serveur Internet qui g&egrave;re le site de l'&eacute;tablissement. <br>
+      En effet, pour diverses raisons, il n'&eacute;tait plus possible de faire
+      fonctionner le syst&egrave;me ant&eacute;rieur. L'association Mandr'Aix dont les
+      activit&eacute;s sont h&eacute;berg&eacute;es dans les locaux du Centre Social est donc
+      intervenue pour relancer <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://adis-amandiers.fr">http://adis-amandiers.fr</a> qui est la
+      nouvelle adresse Internet sur un serveur (Mageia/Linux).<br>
+      <br>
+      Vous &ecirc;tes donc cordialement invit&eacute;(e) &agrave; participer &agrave; ce
+      "mini-&eacute;v&egrave;nement".<br>
+      <br>
+      PS Comme le veut la tradition dans notre association, on boita et
+      mangera ce que nous apporterons.<br>
+      <br>
+      Bonne journ&eacute;e,<br>
+      <br>
+      Yves Specht (Pr&eacute;sident) <br>
+      <br>
+      <small><i>Mandr'Aix d&eacute;livre, tous les mercredis soir (de 18h00 &agrave;
+          20h00), une initiation &agrave; l'informatique. Il est en projet de
+          faire aussi des s&eacute;ances "grands d&eacute;butants" le lundi de 10h00 &agrave;
+          12h00. Si, dans votre entourage, vous connaissez des personnes
+          int&eacute;ress&eacute;es, c'est l'occasion de faire conna&icirc;tre notre
+          association.</i></small><br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <pre>             <strong><font color="#CC0000" size="6">Mandr'Aix</font></strong>
+Maison de la Vie Associative - Lou Ligour&egrave;s    @@
+         Place Rom&eacute;e de Villeneuve            /\/\
+           13090 AIX-EN-PROVENCE             /|  |\
+                                               \/
+          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mandraix.org">http://www.mandraix.org</a>              ~~
+             <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mandraix@gmail.com">mandraix@gmail.com</a>
+               06 60 88 38 96
+<img alt="-" src="cid:part1.03070903.05080004@mandraix.org" height="35" width="35"> Adoptez l'&eacute;co-attitude.
+      N'imprimez ce mail que si c'est vraiment n&eacute;cessaire.
+      
+-----------------------------------------------------------
+</pre>
+      <pre>Pour un critique, la premi&egrave;re impression est toujours la bonne, 
+surtout quand elle est mauvaise.
+
+                                    --  Henri Jeanson
+</pre>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:10pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1. Result of smartctl -a /dev/sda</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">SMART Error Log Version: 1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ATA Error Count: 375 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        CR = Command Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        FR = Features Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        ER = Error register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        ST = Status register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It &quot;wraps&quot; after 49.710 days.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 375 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:44.801  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:55.130  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:55.130  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:55.129  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:55.129  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 374 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:44.801  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:44.800  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.838  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.837  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:41.837  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 373 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:44.801  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:44.800  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.838  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.837  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:41.837  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 372 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:44.801  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:44.800  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.838  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.837  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:41.837  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 371 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:37.305  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:37.304  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.838  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.837  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:41.837  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 1  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3735         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3568         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 3  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3400         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 4  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3233         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 5  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3066         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 6  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      2898         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 7  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      2731         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 8  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      2563         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 9  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      2396         -</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    1        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    2        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    3        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    4        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    5        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Selective self-test flags (0x0):</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2. Something related, interesting or not I don't know but to see if in the worst case ... I reuse the DVD to simulate a repair / new install and it is blocking here</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">'Installation du pilote pour la carte disk/card_reader/ide/scsi/hardware_raid/sata/firewire/virtual intel corporation/ch9m/m-e sata ahci controller'</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 19 f�vrier 2012 13:22:33 Thomas Backlund, vous avez �crit :</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is not a glibc issue.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is your harddisk failing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; it reports media errors, that are unrecoverable.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You better replace it as soon as possible.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You can check the disk status by installing smartmontools and do a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; smartctl -a /dev/sda</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; --</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1. Result of smartctl -a /dev/sda</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">SMART Error Log Version: 1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ATA Error Count: 375 (device log contains only the most recent five errors)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        CR = Command Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        FR = Features Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        ER = Error register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        ST = Status register [HEX]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It &quot;wraps&quot; after 49.710 days.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 375 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:44.801  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:55.130  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:55.130  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:55.129  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:55.129  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 374 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:44.801  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:44.800  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.838  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.837  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:41.837  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 373 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:44.801  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:44.800  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.838  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.837  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:41.837  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 372 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:44.801  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:44.800  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.838  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.837  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:41.837  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Error 371 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 11302 hours (470 days + 22 hours)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After command completion occurred, registers were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  40 51 00 2f 11 a0 e0  Error: UNC at LBA = 0x00a0112f = 10490159</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:37.305  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:37.304  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ef 03 42 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.838  SET FEATURES [Set transfer mode]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  ec 00 00 00 00 00 a0 00      00:11:41.837  IDENTIFY DEVICE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  25 00 08 2f 11 a0 e0 00      00:11:41.837  READ DMA EXT</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Num  Test_Description    Status                  Remaining  LifeTime(hours)  LBA_of_first_error</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 1  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3735         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 2  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3568         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 3  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3400         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 4  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3233         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 5  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      3066         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 6  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      2898         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 7  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      2731         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 8  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      2563         -</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"># 9  Extended offline    Completed without error       00%      2396         -</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    1        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    2        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    3        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    4        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">    5        0        0  Not_testing</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Selective self-test flags (0x0):</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2. Something related, interesting or not I don't know but to see if in the worst case ... I reuse the DVD to simulate a repair / new install and it is blocking here</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">'Installation du pilote pour la carte disk/card_reader/ide/scsi/hardware_raid/sata/firewire/virtual intel corporation/ch9m/m-e sata ahci controller'</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 19 f�vrier 2012 13:22:33 Thomas Backlund, vous avez �crit :</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is not a glibc issue.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; This is your harddisk failing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; it reports media errors, that are unrecoverable.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You better replace it as soon as possible.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You can check the disk status by installing smartmontools and do a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; smartctl -a /dev/sda</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; --</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thomas</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1. Thx to try</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2. All is (normaly ;-) ) perfectly connected 'cause it is a laptop</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3. For fsck I used this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[root@localhost ~]# fsck -N -V</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">fsck de util-linux-ng 2.18</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Contr�le de tous les syst�mes de fichiers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/sbin/fsck.ext4 (1) -- /] fsck.ext4 /dev/sda5</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/sbin/fsck.ext4 (1) -- /home] fsck.ext4 /dev/sdb1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/sbin/fsck.ext4 (1) -- /usr] fsck.ext4 /dev/sda7</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I see nothing special</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 19 f�vrier 2012 08:16:23 bascule, vous avez �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; well i'm no guru but that's obviously hard disk stuff, check that all your</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cables etc. are properly connected, run fsck and make sure you have a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; backup of everything on /dev/sda, your disk could very well be failing, in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; fact you should probably try and backup before rebooting in case it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; doesn't come back up :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; bascule</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p></body></html>
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+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1. Thx to try</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2. All is (normaly ;-) ) perfectly connected 'cause it is a laptop</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">3. For fsck I used this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[root@localhost ~]# fsck -N -V</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">fsck de util-linux-ng 2.18</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Contr�le de tous les syst�mes de fichiers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/sbin/fsck.ext4 (1) -- /] fsck.ext4 /dev/sda5</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/sbin/fsck.ext4 (1) -- /home] fsck.ext4 /dev/sdb1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/sbin/fsck.ext4 (1) -- /usr] fsck.ext4 /dev/sda7</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I see nothing special</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 19 f�vrier 2012 08:16:23 bascule, vous avez �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; well i'm no guru but that's obviously hard disk stuff, check that all your</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; cables etc. are properly connected, run fsck and make sure you have a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; backup of everything on /dev/sda, your disk could very well be failing, in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; fact you should probably try and backup before rebooting in case it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; doesn't come back up :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
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+   <p>Please correct this information that I quoted down there below:<br></p><p>quotation:<br></p><p>&quot;Users Community team at mageia wiki at <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Users_Community_team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Users_Community_team</a></p>
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+   <p dir="ltr">Ricardo Luvas - <a href="mailto:project@mageia-br.org">project@mageia-br.org</a> - Help with brazilian mageia community. <a href="http%3a//mageia-br.org">http://mageia-br.org &quot;<br></a></p>
+   
+   <p dir="ltr" style="text-align:left">This url is not either woking  and neither  <span lang="pt-BR">the right address to the mageia Br (the official site) </span>and the founder of the Mageia Br is Otto Sa at <a href="http://www.mageiabr.org/">http://www.mageiabr.org/</a> and the official support forum at <a href="http://forum.mageiabr.org/">http://forum.mageiabr.org/</a></p>
+
+   <p dir="ltr" style="text-align:left">Please correct to the right information. It’s fair who is working a long while for mageia in Brazil.</p><p dir="ltr" style="text-align:left">Thanks.</p><p dir="ltr" style="text-align:left">
+Otto Sa.<br></p>
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+   <p dir="ltr">Ricardo Luvas - <a href="mailto:project@mageia-br.org">project@mageia-br.org</a> - Help with brazilian mageia community. <a href="http%3a//mageia-br.org">http://mageia-br.org &quot;<br></a></p>
+   
+   <p dir="ltr" style="text-align:left">This url is not either woking  and neither  <span lang="pt-BR">the right address to the mageia Br (the official site) </span>and the founder of the Mageia Br is Otto Sa at <a href="http://www.mageiabr.org/">http://www.mageiabr.org/</a> and the official support forum at <a href="http://forum.mageiabr.org/">http://forum.mageiabr.org/</a></p>
+
+   <p dir="ltr" style="text-align:left">Please correct to the right information. It’s fair who is working a long while for mageia in Brazil.</p><p dir="ltr" style="text-align:left">Thanks.</p><p dir="ltr" style="text-align:left">
+Otto Sa.<br></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">The 01/02/2012 I had an alert for updates for :</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; background-color:#ffffff;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">- glibc-devel-2.12.1-11.3.mga1 mer 01 f�v 2012 17:57:19 CET</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; background-color:#ffffff;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">- glibc-2.12.1-11.3.mga1 mer 01 f�v 2012 17:57:11 CET</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; background-color:#ffffff;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">Installation OK (recommanded to restart the computer) but after .. what the hell ! It takes 15 to 20 minutes to have my KDE session operationnal. After having kde session I don't see any apparent problems (internet, dvd, sound, using kdepim, ... all seems OK). </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; background-color:#ffffff;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">All is OK except time to time I have a complete freeze (even using a terminal with Ctrl + Alt + F1 takes time) with an enormous disk activity during some minutes.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Some interesting lines coming from /var/log/dmesg (repeated many many times)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x0 action 0x0</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: irq_stat 0x40000008</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: cmd 60/08:00:18:28:a0/00:00:1b:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 4096 in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">         res 41/40:00:1e:28:a0/00:00:1b:00:00/40 Emask 0x409 (media error) &lt;F&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR }</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: error: { UNC }</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Unhandled sense code</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda]  Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda]  Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00 </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        1b a0 28 1e </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda]  Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 1b a0 28 18 00 00 08 00</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 463480862</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buffer I/O error on device sda2, logical block 3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1: EH complete</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">The 01/02/2012 I had an alert for updates for :</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; background-color:#ffffff;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">- glibc-devel-2.12.1-11.3.mga1 mer 01 f�v 2012 17:57:19 CET</span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; background-color:#ffffff;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">- glibc-2.12.1-11.3.mga1 mer 01 f�v 2012 17:57:11 CET</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; background-color:#ffffff;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">Installation OK (recommanded to restart the computer) but after .. what the hell ! It takes 15 to 20 minutes to have my KDE session operationnal. After having kde session I don't see any apparent problems (internet, dvd, sound, using kdepim, ... all seems OK). </span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;"></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0; background-color:#ffffff;"><span style=" color:#222222; background-color:#ffffff;">All is OK except time to time I have a complete freeze (even using a terminal with Ctrl + Alt + F1 takes time) with an enormous disk activity during some minutes.</span></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Some interesting lines coming from /var/log/dmesg (repeated many many times)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x1 SErr 0x0 action 0x0</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: irq_stat 0x40000008</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: failed command: READ FPDMA QUEUED</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: cmd 60/08:00:18:28:a0/00:00:1b:00:00/40 tag 0 ncq 4096 in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">         res 41/40:00:1e:28:a0/00:00:1b:00:00/40 Emask 0x409 (media error) &lt;F&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: status: { DRDY ERR }</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: error: { UNC }</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1.00: configured for UDMA/100</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Unhandled sense code</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda]  Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda]  Sense Key : Medium Error [current] [descriptor]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Descriptor sense data with sense descriptors (in hex):</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        72 03 11 04 00 00 00 0c 00 0a 80 00 00 00 00 00 </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">        1b a0 28 1e </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda]  Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] CDB: Read(10): 28 00 1b a0 28 18 00 00 08 00</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 463480862</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Buffer I/O error on device sda2, logical block 3</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">ata1: EH complete</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1. fsck -n -V give that</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">fsck de util-linux-ng 2.18</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Contr�le de tous les syst�mes de fichiers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/sbin/fsck.ext4 (1) -- /] fsck.ext4 -n /dev/sda5</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">e2fsck 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Avertissement�! /dev/sda5 est mont�.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Avertissement�: saute la r�cup�ration du journal puisque l'on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">proc�de � l'examen d'un syst�me de fichiers en lecture seule.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">/dev/sda5 contient un syst�me de fichiers comportant des erreurs, v�rification forc�e.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe�1�: v�rification des i-noeuds, des blocs et des tailles</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">des i-noeuds qui faisaient partie d'une liste cha�n�e d'orphelins corrompue ont �t� rep�r�s. Corriger�? non</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">l'i-noeud 18220 fait partie de la liste des i-noeuds orphelins. IGNOR�.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">l'i-noeud effac� 20013 a un dtime � z�ro. Corriger�? non</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe 2�: v�rification de la structure des r�pertoires</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe�3�: v�rification de la connectivit� des r�pertoires</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe 4�: v�rification des compteurs de r�f�rence</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe 5�: v�rification de l'information du sommaire de groupe</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">diff�rences de bitmap de blocs:  -(142386--142387) -575005</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Corriger�? non</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le d�compte des blocs libres est erron� (18751792, d�compt�=18751495).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Corriger�? non</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">diff�rences de bitmap d'i-noeuds�:  -18220 -20013</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Corriger�? non</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le d�compte des i-noeuds libres est erron� (4814166, d�compt�=4814084).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Corriger�? non</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">/dev/sda5�: **AVERTISSEMENT�: le syst�me de fichiers contient encore des erreurs**</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">/dev/sda5�: 35498/4849664 fichiers (0.3% non contigus), 622582/19374374 blocs</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2. Something related, interesting or not I don't know but to see if in the worst case ... I reuse the DVD to simulate a repair / new install and it is blocking here</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">'Installation du pilote pour la carte disk/card_reader/ide/scsi/hardware_raid/sata/firewire/virtual intel corporation/ch9m/m-e sata ahci controller'</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 19 f�vrier 2012 13:19:58 Antoine Pitrou, vous avez �crit :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;   &quot;-N     Don't execute, just show what would be done&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You probably want &quot;fsck -n -V&quot; instead.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You may also want to run it in single-user mode.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Antoine.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">1. fsck -n -V give that</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">fsck de util-linux-ng 2.18</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Contr�le de tous les syst�mes de fichiers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/sbin/fsck.ext4 (1) -- /] fsck.ext4 -n /dev/sda5</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">e2fsck 1.41.14 (22-Dec-2010)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Avertissement�! /dev/sda5 est mont�.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Avertissement�: saute la r�cup�ration du journal puisque l'on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">proc�de � l'examen d'un syst�me de fichiers en lecture seule.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">/dev/sda5 contient un syst�me de fichiers comportant des erreurs, v�rification forc�e.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe�1�: v�rification des i-noeuds, des blocs et des tailles</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">des i-noeuds qui faisaient partie d'une liste cha�n�e d'orphelins corrompue ont �t� rep�r�s. Corriger�? non</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">l'i-noeud 18220 fait partie de la liste des i-noeuds orphelins. IGNOR�.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">l'i-noeud effac� 20013 a un dtime � z�ro. Corriger�? non</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe 2�: v�rification de la structure des r�pertoires</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe�3�: v�rification de la connectivit� des r�pertoires</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe 4�: v�rification des compteurs de r�f�rence</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Passe 5�: v�rification de l'information du sommaire de groupe</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">diff�rences de bitmap de blocs:  -(142386--142387) -575005</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Corriger�? non</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le d�compte des blocs libres est erron� (18751792, d�compt�=18751495).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Corriger�? non</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2. Something related, interesting or not I don't know but to see if in the worst case ... I reuse the DVD to simulate a repair / new install and it is blocking here</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">'Installation du pilote pour la carte disk/card_reader/ide/scsi/hardware_raid/sata/firewire/virtual intel corporation/ch9m/m-e sata ahci controller'</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Le dimanche 19 f�vrier 2012 13:19:58 Antoine Pitrou, vous avez �crit :</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards</p>
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+<p>In Greek there is only one way to pronounce the word mageia (μαγεία) = ma y i a , the y like the w in weather, and the accent at the i :<br>
+<a href="http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/">http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/</a></p>
+<p>However i think that in each language it has its own pronunciation,, example i am living in french and we call it mageϊa the g like a deep &quot;j&quot; </p>
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+<p>In Greek there is only one way to pronounce the word mageia (μαγεία) = ma y i a , the y like the w in weather, and the accent at the i :<br>
+<a href="http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/">http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/</a></p>
+<p>However i think that in each language it has its own pronunciation,, example i am living in french and we call it mageϊa the g like a deep &quot;j&quot; </p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 20 févr. 2012 18:20, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/2/20 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; In Greek there is only one way to pronounce the word mageia (μαγεία) = ma y<br>
+&gt; &gt; i a , the y like the w in weather, and the accent at the i :<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/">http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yes, that&#39;s one of the 3 ways I&#39;ve been told by native greek speakers :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; wobo</p>
+<p>In greek there is only one pronunciation and not 3 either 2, but only one. If someone told you another pronunciation for the word mageia in greek, he is not greek or it is not his native language. It is not even a case that we can say for example that in the north of greece they say it in one way and in the south of greece in another way. It is a word that its letters cant be saying in another way but only in 1 way. If you change one thing of its pronunciation is like if you say the word computer in english : compoter or cimputer or campetor... etc, no sense at all    </p>
+
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+Le 20 févr. 2012 18:20, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/2/20 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; In Greek there is only one way to pronounce the word mageia (μαγεία) = ma y<br>
+&gt; &gt; i a , the y like the w in weather, and the accent at the i :<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/">http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Yes, that&#39;s one of the 3 ways I&#39;ve been told by native greek speakers :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; wobo</p>
+<p>In greek there is only one pronunciation and not 3 either 2, but only one. If someone told you another pronunciation for the word mageia in greek, he is not greek or it is not his native language. It is not even a case that we can say for example that in the north of greece they say it in one way and in the south of greece in another way. It is a word that its letters cant be saying in another way but only in 1 way. If you change one thing of its pronunciation is like if you say the word computer in english : compoter or cimputer or campetor... etc, no sense at all    </p>
+
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+Le 21 févr. 2012 00:17, &quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten@rmail.be">maarten@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op maandag 20 februari 2012 21:43:13 schreef Dimitrios Glentadakis:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 20 févr. 2012 18:20, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; 2012/2/20 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; In Greek there is only one way to pronounce the word mageia (μαγεία) =<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; ma y<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; i a , the y like the w in weather, and the accent at the i :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/">http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Yes, that&#39;s one of the 3 ways I&#39;ve been told by native greek speakers :)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; wobo<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; In greek there is only one pronunciation and not 3 either 2, but only one.<br>
+&gt; &gt; If someone told you another pronunciation for the word mageia in greek, he<br>
+&gt; &gt; is not greek or it is not his native language. It is not even a case that<br>
+&gt; &gt; we can say for example that in the north of greece they say it in one way<br>
+&gt; &gt; and in the south of greece in another way. It is a word that its letters<br>
+&gt; &gt; cant be saying in another way but only in 1 way. If you change one thing of<br>
+&gt; &gt; its pronunciation is like if you say the word computer in english :<br>
+&gt; &gt; compoter or cimputer or campetor... etc, no sense at all<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i&#39;ve heard that ancient greek has a different pronounciation.<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>I think that it would be hard to know the excact pronunciaton of the ancient greek there is nt any conversation recorded so it is impossible to have an answer. </p>
+<p>But we dont have to go so far away and we dont need to. </p>
+<p>If the question is how is the pronunciation in greek, there is one language, one pronunciation.</p>
+<p>&gt; and that it&#39;s also close to magia (sp?), which someone told me means something<br>
+&gt; that i&#39;m not gonna repeat here, but greeks feel proud of... (or so i&#39;ve been<br>
+&gt; told)</p>
+<p>What you mean close to magia ?</p>
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+Le 21 févr. 2012 00:17, &quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:maarten@rmail.be">maarten@rmail.be</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Op maandag 20 februari 2012 21:43:13 schreef Dimitrios Glentadakis:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 20 févr. 2012 18:20, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; 2012/2/20 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; In Greek there is only one way to pronounce the word mageia (μαγεία) =<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; ma y<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; i a , the y like the w in weather, and the accent at the i :<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; <a href="http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/">http://fr.forvo.com/word/%ce%bc%ce%b1%ce%b3%ce%b5%ce%af%ce%b1/</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Yes, that&#39;s one of the 3 ways I&#39;ve been told by native greek speakers :)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; --<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; wobo<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; In greek there is only one pronunciation and not 3 either 2, but only one.<br>
+&gt; &gt; If someone told you another pronunciation for the word mageia in greek, he<br>
+&gt; &gt; is not greek or it is not his native language. It is not even a case that<br>
+&gt; &gt; we can say for example that in the north of greece they say it in one way<br>
+&gt; &gt; and in the south of greece in another way. It is a word that its letters<br>
+&gt; &gt; cant be saying in another way but only in 1 way. If you change one thing of<br>
+&gt; &gt; its pronunciation is like if you say the word computer in english :<br>
+&gt; &gt; compoter or cimputer or campetor... etc, no sense at all<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i&#39;ve heard that ancient greek has a different pronounciation.<br>
+&gt;</p>
+<p>I think that it would be hard to know the excact pronunciaton of the ancient greek there is nt any conversation recorded so it is impossible to have an answer. </p>
+<p>But we dont have to go so far away and we dont need to. </p>
+<p>If the question is how is the pronunciation in greek, there is one language, one pronunciation.</p>
+<p>&gt; and that it&#39;s also close to magia (sp?), which someone told me means something<br>
+&gt; that i&#39;m not gonna repeat here, but greeks feel proud of... (or so i&#39;ve been<br>
+&gt; told)</p>
+<p>What you mean close to magia ?</p>
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+Greate news. I´ve been trying to solve this problem from time to time, obviously without success. Thanks.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Claire <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 09/03/12 12:19, Anssi Hannula wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all!<br>
+<br>
+Short version: rm ~/.dropbox-dist/libz.so.1<br>
+<br>
+Long version:<br>
+<br>
+A year or two back the Dropbox GUI (i.e. the traybar icon and the<br>
+settings disalog) stopped working in Mandriva, and the situation has<br>
+persisted on Mageia as well.<br>
+<br>
+I have recently investigated the issue with the help of Dropbox Support,<br>
+and the root cause of the issue is that Dropbox bundles an old libz.so.1<br>
+which gets used instead of our libz.so.1. The problem doesn&#39;t affect<br>
+most other distributions because we are using the &quot;--enable-libxml2&quot;<br>
+build option of fontconfig, which makes it build against libxml2 instead<br>
+of libexpat, and our libxml2 requires zlib 1.2.3.4+, while dropbox ships<br>
+zlib 1.2.3.3.<br>
+<br>
+The Dropbox developers are now aware of the issue and will fix it in a<br>
+future version. In the meantime, you can just remove the libz.so.1 file<br>
+from your ~/.dropbox-dist directory, and the GUI will start to work.<br>
+Note that it may reappear (Dropbox does automatic upgrades) later, and<br>
+if the issue isn&#39;t fixed properly by then, you need to rm it again.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Thats great news, thankyou Anssi!<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Greate news. I´ve been trying to solve this problem from time to time, obviously without success. Thanks.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Claire <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 09/03/12 12:19, Anssi Hannula wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi all!<br>
+<br>
+Short version: rm ~/.dropbox-dist/libz.so.1<br>
+<br>
+Long version:<br>
+<br>
+A year or two back the Dropbox GUI (i.e. the traybar icon and the<br>
+settings disalog) stopped working in Mandriva, and the situation has<br>
+persisted on Mageia as well.<br>
+<br>
+I have recently investigated the issue with the help of Dropbox Support,<br>
+and the root cause of the issue is that Dropbox bundles an old libz.so.1<br>
+which gets used instead of our libz.so.1. The problem doesn&#39;t affect<br>
+most other distributions because we are using the &quot;--enable-libxml2&quot;<br>
+build option of fontconfig, which makes it build against libxml2 instead<br>
+of libexpat, and our libxml2 requires zlib 1.2.3.4+, while dropbox ships<br>
+zlib 1.2.3.3.<br>
+<br>
+The Dropbox developers are now aware of the issue and will fix it in a<br>
+future version. In the meantime, you can just remove the libz.so.1 file<br>
+from your ~/.dropbox-dist directory, and the GUI will start to work.<br>
+Note that it may reappear (Dropbox does automatic upgrades) later, and<br>
+if the issue isn&#39;t fixed properly by then, you need to rm it again.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Thats great news, thankyou Anssi!<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Updated the wiki page after retest:<br>
+     --allow-force is not needed.<br>
+    <br>
+    What is this?<br>
+     Occurred in terminal while installing:<br>
+     I chose 1<br>
+    <dl>
+      <dd>Webkit dependency
+      </dd>
+      <dd>1-) libwebkit-girl3.0-1.7.5-1.mga2.i586
+      </dd>
+      <dd>2-) libwebkit-girl1.0-1.7.5-1.mga2.i586
+      </dd>
+      <dd>What is you choice (1 or 2)
+      </dd>
+      <dd><b>1</b>
+      </dd>
+    </dl>
+    <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Mageia#Adding_Sugar_0.95.1_to_Mageia_Beta_1">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Mageia#Adding_Sugar_0.95.1_to_Mageia_Beta_1</a><br>
+    <br>
+    On 03/10/2012 03:51 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:op.waza7nmqn7mcit@hodgins.homeip.net"
+      type="cite">On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:29:09 -0500, Thomas C Gilliard
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:satellit@bendbroadband.com">&lt;satellit@bendbroadband.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">wiki page detailing install:
+        <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Mageia#Adding_Sugar_0.95.1_to_Mageia_Beta_1">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Mageia#Adding_Sugar_0.95.1_to_Mageia_Beta_1</a>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      Ouch!  Why the --allow-force?  If there are package conflicts,
+      those
+      <br>
+      should be resolved via bug reports, instead of suggesting the use
+      of
+      <br>
+      the --allow-force option.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Using that in my Mandriva install caused a number of problems with
+      <br>
+      my upgrade to Mageia 1.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Regards, Dave Hodgins
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff">
+    Updated the wiki page after retest:<br>
+     --allow-force is not needed.<br>
+    <br>
+    What is this?<br>
+     Occurred in terminal while installing:<br>
+     I chose 1<br>
+    <dl>
+      <dd>Webkit dependency
+      </dd>
+      <dd>1-) libwebkit-girl3.0-1.7.5-1.mga2.i586
+      </dd>
+      <dd>2-) libwebkit-girl1.0-1.7.5-1.mga2.i586
+      </dd>
+      <dd>What is you choice (1 or 2)
+      </dd>
+      <dd><b>1</b>
+      </dd>
+    </dl>
+    <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Mageia#Adding_Sugar_0.95.1_to_Mageia_Beta_1">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Mageia#Adding_Sugar_0.95.1_to_Mageia_Beta_1</a><br>
+    <br>
+    On 03/10/2012 03:51 PM, David W. Hodgins wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:op.waza7nmqn7mcit@hodgins.homeip.net"
+      type="cite">On Sat, 10 Mar 2012 17:29:09 -0500, Thomas C Gilliard
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:satellit@bendbroadband.com">&lt;satellit@bendbroadband.com&gt;</a> wrote:
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <blockquote type="cite">wiki page detailing install:
+        <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Mageia#Adding_Sugar_0.95.1_to_Mageia_Beta_1">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Community/Distributions/Mageia#Adding_Sugar_0.95.1_to_Mageia_Beta_1</a>
+        <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      <br>
+      Ouch!  Why the --allow-force?  If there are package conflicts,
+      those
+      <br>
+      should be resolved via bug reports, instead of suggesting the use
+      of
+      <br>
+      the --allow-force option.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Using that in my Mandriva install caused a number of problems with
+      <br>
+      my upgrade to Mageia 1.
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      Regards, Dave Hodgins
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p><br>
+Le 11 mars 2012 12:15, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/11 Luc Menut &lt;<a href="mailto:lmenut@free.fr">lmenut@free.fr</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 10/03/2012 23:49, Oliver Burger a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Am 10.03.2012 23:46, schrieb Juan Luis Baptiste:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; [...]<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Right now, the splitting of the handbook packages will use the same<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; bandwidth as before. As Anssi said, before the handbooks came bundled<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; with the owner package, so they were also being installed. So<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; bandwidth wise, is still the same as before the splitting.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I haven&#39;t looked into it, but perhaps we could install those handbooks<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; as Suggests instead of Requires (or is it already done that way?).<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Then people wanting to save bandwidth could just install using<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;--no-suggests&quot;.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I don&#39;t agree. Handbooks are fully part of a kde install; they should be<br>
+&gt; &gt; installed, and shouldn&#39;t be removed. A kde install without handbooks is a<br>
+&gt; &gt; damaged kde install. Do you think that the kde doc team will continue to<br>
+&gt; &gt; work on handbooks if each distrib don&#39;t install its work?<br>
+&gt; &gt; That&#39;s why, personally I think the exact opposite; each component should<br>
+&gt; &gt; *requires* its handbook (but probably it won&#39;t work with LiveCD).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t agree. You seem to first take for granted that a user of the<br>
+&gt; KDE desktop also uses all the applications and second you mistake<br>
+&gt; &quot;good to have&quot; for &quot;must have&quot;. I&#39;m using KDE but only few KDE<br>
+&gt; applications - so why do I need a handbook for kppp or knode or kmail<br>
+&gt; when I don&#39;t even install these applications? I would happily<br>
+&gt; de-install such handbooks as I regularly unmark grub-doc and similar<br>
+&gt; packages from installation.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In your previous reply to Juergen you also showed that you<br>
+&gt; misunderstood his wish for Mageia documentation. It is good and<br>
+&gt; important that documentation is available if needed. But it must not<br>
+&gt; be forced on those who don&#39;t want/need it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I may add that I have been involved in documentation writing and<br>
+&gt; translating for almost 7 years. But I never thought that users must<br>
+&gt; use it if they don&#39;t need it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; wobo</p>
+<p>I agree that documentation has to be available with the application i use. While i use the program and i need more infos i press F1. If the handbook it is not available what i will have ? A message informs me that the doc is missing or it has to be installed manualy? </p>
+
+<p>As when you get any product it comes with its manual, i believe that the handbook of an application is a must have, and an application should never be installed without its documentation.</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 11 mars 2012 12:15, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2012/3/11 Luc Menut &lt;<a href="mailto:lmenut@free.fr">lmenut@free.fr</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Le 10/03/2012 23:49, Oliver Burger a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Am 10.03.2012 23:46, schrieb Juan Luis Baptiste:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; [...]<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Right now, the splitting of the handbook packages will use the same<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; bandwidth as before. As Anssi said, before the handbooks came bundled<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; with the owner package, so they were also being installed. So<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; bandwidth wise, is still the same as before the splitting.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I haven&#39;t looked into it, but perhaps we could install those handbooks<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; as Suggests instead of Requires (or is it already done that way?).<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Then people wanting to save bandwidth could just install using<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;--no-suggests&quot;.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I don&#39;t agree. Handbooks are fully part of a kde install; they should be<br>
+&gt; &gt; installed, and shouldn&#39;t be removed. A kde install without handbooks is a<br>
+&gt; &gt; damaged kde install. Do you think that the kde doc team will continue to<br>
+&gt; &gt; work on handbooks if each distrib don&#39;t install its work?<br>
+&gt; &gt; That&#39;s why, personally I think the exact opposite; each component should<br>
+&gt; &gt; *requires* its handbook (but probably it won&#39;t work with LiveCD).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I don&#39;t agree. You seem to first take for granted that a user of the<br>
+&gt; KDE desktop also uses all the applications and second you mistake<br>
+&gt; &quot;good to have&quot; for &quot;must have&quot;. I&#39;m using KDE but only few KDE<br>
+&gt; applications - so why do I need a handbook for kppp or knode or kmail<br>
+&gt; when I don&#39;t even install these applications? I would happily<br>
+&gt; de-install such handbooks as I regularly unmark grub-doc and similar<br>
+&gt; packages from installation.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In your previous reply to Juergen you also showed that you<br>
+&gt; misunderstood his wish for Mageia documentation. It is good and<br>
+&gt; important that documentation is available if needed. But it must not<br>
+&gt; be forced on those who don&#39;t want/need it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I may add that I have been involved in documentation writing and<br>
+&gt; translating for almost 7 years. But I never thought that users must<br>
+&gt; use it if they don&#39;t need it.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; wobo</p>
+<p>I agree that documentation has to be available with the application i use. While i use the program and i need more infos i press F1. If the handbook it is not available what i will have ? A message informs me that the doc is missing or it has to be installed manualy? </p>
+
+<p>As when you get any product it comes with its manual, i believe that the handbook of an application is a must have, and an application should never be installed without its documentation.</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wednesday 14 Mar 2012 09:11 my mailbox was graced by a message from peter<br>
+<div class="im">winterflood who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Since a reboot following a power cut, the fontsize used by Firefox to<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; display  text in toolbars, menus and tab titles has become very small.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Display of web pages is not affected.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Any idea where this can be changed ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Firefox 8.0.1,  KDE 4.6.5, Mageia 1 kept reasonably up to date  ;-3)<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt; I have found since that the same problem also affects all the Drak tools<br>
+&gt; &gt; I  have tried to run: diskdrake, rpmdrake, drakconnect, drakxconf...<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; ive seen this after rigorous removal of all gnone stuff.<br>
+&gt; its down to a missing (perhaps corrupt in your case)<br>
+&gt; ia_ora-gnome-1.0.25-1.mga1<br>
+&gt; without that you get the symptom you describe with firefox and mageia<br>
+&gt; control<br>
+<br>
+</div>Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+OK, but I did not remove/change anything; strange ?<br></blockquote><div><br><br>Maybe the power-cut corrupted a file? I&#39;m particularly thinking of the system font, but could be any involved file.<br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+I now reinstalled   ia_ora-gnome-1.0.25-1.mga1 and things returned to normal;<br>
+query: Why do I need gnome stuff in a KDE install ?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+               Outside of a dog, a book is a man&#39;s best friend:<br>
+                   and inside a dog, it&#39;s too dark to read.<br>
+                                                -- Groucho Marx<br>
+<br>
+                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wednesday 14 Mar 2012 09:11 my mailbox was graced by a message from peter<br>
+<div class="im">winterflood who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Since a reboot following a power cut, the fontsize used by Firefox to<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; display  text in toolbars, menus and tab titles has become very small.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Display of web pages is not affected.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Any idea where this can be changed ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Firefox 8.0.1,  KDE 4.6.5, Mageia 1 kept reasonably up to date  ;-3)<br>
+<br>
+&gt; &gt; I have found since that the same problem also affects all the Drak tools<br>
+&gt; &gt; I  have tried to run: diskdrake, rpmdrake, drakconnect, drakxconf...<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; ive seen this after rigorous removal of all gnone stuff.<br>
+&gt; its down to a missing (perhaps corrupt in your case)<br>
+&gt; ia_ora-gnome-1.0.25-1.mga1<br>
+&gt; without that you get the symptom you describe with firefox and mageia<br>
+&gt; control<br>
+<br>
+</div>Thanks.<br>
+<br>
+OK, but I did not remove/change anything; strange ?<br></blockquote><div><br><br>Maybe the power-cut corrupted a file? I&#39;m particularly thinking of the system font, but could be any involved file.<br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+I now reinstalled   ia_ora-gnome-1.0.25-1.mga1 and things returned to normal;<br>
+query: Why do I need gnome stuff in a KDE install ?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+               Outside of a dog, a book is a man&#39;s best friend:<br>
+                   and inside a dog, it&#39;s too dark to read.<br>
+                                                -- Groucho Marx<br>
+<br>
+                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>Beta 2 is available now �for tests. Here is the announcement:�<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/15/mageia-2-beta-2-near-the-goal/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/15/mageia-2-beta-2-near-the-goal/</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>This is the last beta for Mageia 2 and before RC. We need your tests and reports more than ever!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again all for the hard work</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi there<div><br></div><div>Beta 2 is available now �for tests. Here is the announcement:�<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/15/mageia-2-beta-2-near-the-goal/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/15/mageia-2-beta-2-near-the-goal/</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>This is the last beta for Mageia 2 and before RC. We need your tests and reports more than ever!</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks again all for the hard work</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers<br clear="all">
+<div><br></div>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 14:28, Jonathan Darmstaedter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:syllogismesdelamertume@yahoo.co.uk">syllogismesdelamertume@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 22/03/12 12:55, James Kerr wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 22/03/2012 12:29, Jonathan Darmstaedter wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;m considering installing Mageia, but was wondering where the project<br>
+&gt;&gt; lists its security notifications.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks in advance,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Jonathan<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I believe that there are plans to eventually provide a web page that<br>
+&gt; lists security updates. In the absence of that page you could<br>
+&gt; subscribe to the mailing list:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/updates-announce" target="_blank">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/updates-announce</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The archive is also available:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/arc/updates-announce" target="_blank">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/arc/updates-announce</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Jim<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Thanks James, I wasn&#39;t aware of any Mageia mailing lists beyond the ones<br>
+listed here: <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/</a></blockquote><div>Most of them are on�<a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists</a></div>
+
+<div>The other ones will be migrated at some point</div></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 14:28, Jonathan Darmstaedter <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:syllogismesdelamertume@yahoo.co.uk">syllogismesdelamertume@yahoo.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 22/03/12 12:55, James Kerr wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 22/03/2012 12:29, Jonathan Darmstaedter wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;m considering installing Mageia, but was wondering where the project<br>
+&gt;&gt; lists its security notifications.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks in advance,<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Jonathan<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I believe that there are plans to eventually provide a web page that<br>
+&gt; lists security updates. In the absence of that page you could<br>
+&gt; subscribe to the mailing list:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/updates-announce" target="_blank">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/updates-announce</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The archive is also available:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/arc/updates-announce" target="_blank">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/arc/updates-announce</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Jim<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Thanks James, I wasn&#39;t aware of any Mageia mailing lists beyond the ones<br>
+listed here: <a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/</a></blockquote><div>Most of them are on�<a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/lists</a></div>
+
+<div>The other ones will be migrated at some point</div></div>
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+<p>Thanks!<br>
+On Mar 25, 2012 3:13 PM, &quot;Claire Robinson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 25/03/12 16:04, R�mi Verschelde wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/3/25 Diego Bello&lt;<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com">dbello@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I don&#39;t see any link. It&#39;s it my email client or you forgot to include them?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Please have a look at my answer to Remmy&#39;s mail (should be the second<br>
+&gt;&gt; mail on this topic).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Your email was to the dev ML Remi (Sorry I don&#39;t have accents set up on this keyboard)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Pasted below..<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [1] <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?priority=release_blocker&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?priority=release_blocker&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED</a><br>
+
+&gt; [2] <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata</a></p>
+<p>Thanks!</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120325/5b51a9f8/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120325/5b51a9f8/attachment.html
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+<p>Thanks!<br>
+On Mar 25, 2012 3:13 PM, &quot;Claire Robinson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 25/03/12 16:04, R�mi Verschelde wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/3/25 Diego Bello&lt;<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com">dbello@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I don&#39;t see any link. It&#39;s it my email client or you forgot to include them?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Please have a look at my answer to Remmy&#39;s mail (should be the second<br>
+&gt;&gt; mail on this topic).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Your email was to the dev ML Remi (Sorry I don&#39;t have accents set up on this keyboard)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Pasted below..<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; [1] <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?priority=release_blocker&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED">https://bugs.mageia.org/buglist.cgi?priority=release_blocker&amp;bug_status=NEW&amp;bug_status=ASSIGNED&amp;bug_status=REOPENED</a><br>
+
+&gt; [2] <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata</a></p>
+<p>Thanks!</p>
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+<p><br>
+On Mar 25, 2012 8:29 AM, &quot;Remco Rijnders&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Dear all,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A brief update on our bug squashing efforts so far since the original blog post went out. I realise in there we wrote that there would be daily updates, but as there has been little news to report, I hope you can forgive me for this. Now, with about 2/3rd of the weekend behind us, this seems like a good time for an update.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The experiences so far have been mixed. We now have 7 more release blockers than at the start of the weekend, with none closed since friday afternoon. The uptake has been less than we had hoped for, but the upside is that people are performing tests, and also that open bugs are being reassesed as to their severity.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; People have mostly been quietly working on &#39;their&#39; bug reports, as they&#39;ve been doing all along. To all of them I want to express gratitude for their ongoing work on making Mageia better. Also, over the course of the weekend we have seen some new faces helping out in testing and adding their comments to open bug reports. This is most welcome indeed!<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; That no release blockers have been fixed yet is a bit of a shame, but that does not mean that no work has been done on them. On several of the bugs we have open we&#39;ve seen promising progress in the past few days.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If you are still willing to help out, I&#39;d like to invite you to have a look at our release blocking bugs [1], today, tomorrow, or even after this party is over. For those of you testing the latest ISO&#39;s (beta 2), please have a look at the known errata [2].<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thank you all for your time and attention :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sincerely,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Remmy</p>
+<p>I don&#39;t see any link. It&#39;s it my email client or you forgot to include them?</p>
+<p>As for my tests last night, I updated Mageia 1 and nothing worked: home directory was entirely owned by root, drakconf would crash with a &quot;bad window&quot; error, and no wifi also (Intel icore 3, first gen) even after adding the repositories.</p>
+
+<p>Then I did a fresh install keeping /home and the apps worked ok but no wifi again.</p>
+<p>Can you give me the errata link? I will also look for reported bugs to see if any of this has already been reported.</p>
+<p>Cu!</p>
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+<p><br>
+On Mar 25, 2012 8:29 AM, &quot;Remco Rijnders&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Dear all,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; A brief update on our bug squashing efforts so far since the original blog post went out. I realise in there we wrote that there would be daily updates, but as there has been little news to report, I hope you can forgive me for this. Now, with about 2/3rd of the weekend behind us, this seems like a good time for an update.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The experiences so far have been mixed. We now have 7 more release blockers than at the start of the weekend, with none closed since friday afternoon. The uptake has been less than we had hoped for, but the upside is that people are performing tests, and also that open bugs are being reassesed as to their severity.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; People have mostly been quietly working on &#39;their&#39; bug reports, as they&#39;ve been doing all along. To all of them I want to express gratitude for their ongoing work on making Mageia better. Also, over the course of the weekend we have seen some new faces helping out in testing and adding their comments to open bug reports. This is most welcome indeed!<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; That no release blockers have been fixed yet is a bit of a shame, but that does not mean that no work has been done on them. On several of the bugs we have open we&#39;ve seen promising progress in the past few days.<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If you are still willing to help out, I&#39;d like to invite you to have a look at our release blocking bugs [1], today, tomorrow, or even after this party is over. For those of you testing the latest ISO&#39;s (beta 2), please have a look at the known errata [2].<br>
+
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thank you all for your time and attention :-)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sincerely,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Remmy</p>
+<p>I don&#39;t see any link. It&#39;s it my email client or you forgot to include them?</p>
+<p>As for my tests last night, I updated Mageia 1 and nothing worked: home directory was entirely owned by root, drakconf would crash with a &quot;bad window&quot; error, and no wifi also (Intel icore 3, first gen) even after adding the repositories.</p>
+
+<p>Then I did a fresh install keeping /home and the apps worked ok but no wifi again.</p>
+<p>Can you give me the errata link? I will also look for reported bugs to see if any of this has already been reported.</p>
+<p>Cu!</p>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br><br>i tried many times to connect to mageia servers<br><br>but it seems there is a problem<br><br>can anyone explain this situation</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">a lot of thanks to all of you<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/31 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 31/03/2012 18:07, Oliver Burger a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/3/31 David W. Hodgins&lt;<a href="mailto:davidwhodgins@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidwhodgins@gmail.<u></u>com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:17:49 -0400, ������� ��������<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com" target="_blank">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.<u></u>com</a>&gt; �wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+hello everyone<br>
+i tried many times to connect to mageia servers<br>
+but it seems there is a problem<br>
+can anyone explain this situation<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+See <a href="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-March/004350.html" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/<u></u>pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-<u></u>March/004350.html</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Or <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/30/servers-downtime/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/<u></u>2012/03/30/servers-downtime/</a><br>
+<br>
+Oliver<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Or <a href="https://twitter.com/#%21/mageia_org/status/185786318574460929" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/#!/mageia_<u></u>org/status/185786318574460929</a><br>
+Or <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Mageia/posts/419417298084060" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/<u></u>Mageia/posts/419417298084060</a><br>
+<br>
+:-)<br><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Damien Lallement<br>
+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin<br>
+</font></blockquote></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">a lot of thanks to all of you<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/31 Damien Lallement <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:mageia@damsweb.net">mageia@damsweb.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 31/03/2012 18:07, Oliver Burger a �crit :<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/3/31 David W. Hodgins&lt;<a href="mailto:davidwhodgins@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidwhodgins@gmail.<u></u>com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sat, 31 Mar 2012 11:17:49 -0400, ������� ��������<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com" target="_blank">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.<u></u>com</a>&gt; �wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+hello everyone<br>
+i tried many times to connect to mageia servers<br>
+but it seems there is a problem<br>
+can anyone explain this situation<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+See <a href="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-March/004350.html" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/<u></u>pipermail/mageia-sysadm/2012-<u></u>March/004350.html</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Or <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/03/30/servers-downtime/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/<u></u>2012/03/30/servers-downtime/</a><br>
+<br>
+Oliver<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Or <a href="https://twitter.com/#%21/mageia_org/status/185786318574460929" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/#!/mageia_<u></u>org/status/185786318574460929</a><br>
+Or <a href="https://www.facebook.com/Mageia/posts/419417298084060" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/<u></u>Mageia/posts/419417298084060</a><br>
+<br>
+:-)<br><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Damien Lallement<br>
+twitter: damsweb - IRC: damsweb/coincoin<br>
+</font></blockquote></div></div>
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+So sorry for you. �Thankfully she is now out of her pain. �And with time so will the pain of today leave you.<div><br></div><div>Tim</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:42 AM, David W. Hodgins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:davidwhodgins@gmail.com">davidwhodgins@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I just got back from the animal hospital on Adelaide, just<br>
+south of Neslon.<br>
+<br>
+I had Slinky put down. �She was only semi-conscious, but<br>
+every few minutes would let out a lelp, making it clear<br>
+she was in pain.<br>
+<br>
+Now it&#39;s over for her.<br>
+<br>
+Dave<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+So sorry for you. �Thankfully she is now out of her pain. �And with time so will the pain of today leave you.<div><br></div><div>Tim</div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 2:42 AM, David W. Hodgins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:davidwhodgins@gmail.com">davidwhodgins@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I just got back from the animal hospital on Adelaide, just<br>
+south of Neslon.<br>
+<br>
+I had Slinky put down. �She was only semi-conscious, but<br>
+every few minutes would let out a lelp, making it clear<br>
+she was in pain.<br>
+<br>
+Now it&#39;s over for her.<br>
+<br>
+Dave<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<p>I have been in the day of free internet at Antibes in the south of France, and i had as gift an egg with the mageia logo designed by an open source robot.<br>
+ :D </p>
+<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQHd_UHhnqc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQHd_UHhnqc</a></p>
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+<p>I have been in the day of free internet at Antibes in the south of France, and i had as gift an egg with the mageia logo designed by an open source robot.<br>
+ :D </p>
+<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQHd_UHhnqc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQHd_UHhnqc</a></p>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
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+    Thanks to Maarten for prompt reply.<br>
+    1. Lilo not booting; I can't tell if <br>
+    <pre wrap=""><font size="+1"> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5044">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5044</a> 
+is the same problem; it does concern lilo, but in a raid setting and I wasn't quite clear on what problem was being described there.
+
+2. rpm update failure; Maarten is right, yes is is 
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4918">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4918</a>  
+ I'll await beta3
+
+
+While I'm at it, beta2 has lost the ability for root to log in graphically.  Beta1 was without this on the DVD but upgrades fixed it.  Beta2 does not honor the flag set in /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc, where setting AllowRoot to true has for many releases been all that is required to allow a graphical root login.</font>  <font size="+1">(useful for system admin, no I never go out on the web as root!)  Intended behaviour or accident?</font>
+tonyb
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
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+    Thanks to Maarten for prompt reply.<br>
+    1. Lilo not booting; I can't tell if <br>
+    <pre wrap=""><font size="+1"> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5044">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5044</a> 
+is the same problem; it does concern lilo, but in a raid setting and I wasn't quite clear on what problem was being described there.
+
+2. rpm update failure; Maarten is right, yes is is 
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4918">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4918</a>  
+ I'll await beta3
+
+
+While I'm at it, beta2 has lost the ability for root to log in graphically.  Beta1 was without this on the DVD but upgrades fixed it.  Beta2 does not honor the flag set in /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc, where setting AllowRoot to true has for many releases been all that is required to allow a graphical root login.</font>  <font size="+1">(useful for system admin, no I never go out on the web as root!)  Intended behaviour or accident?</font>
+tonyb
+</pre>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p>I made a wishreport about turning either ABRT or bug-buddy into a GUI-form. Who&#39;s with me on that idea? /Kristoffer</p>
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+<p>I made a wishreport about turning either ABRT or bug-buddy into a GUI-form. Who&#39;s with me on that idea? /Kristoffer</p>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+    <link href="chrome://translator/skin/floatingPanel.css"
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+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    On 04/10/2012 08:25 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a> wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:mailman.2495.1334071538.16879.mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap=""><div class="moz-txt-sig">2012/4/10 Anne Wilson <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:annew@kde.org">&lt;annew@kde.org&gt;</a>:
+</div></pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
+        <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;</span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>On 10/04/12 15:19, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
+          <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;&gt; </span>And remember too that Linux is all about user's choice; none of
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;&gt; </span>the "We are XXXXX of Borg, resistance is futile, you will do
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;&gt; </span>exactly what we tell you".
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;</span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>True indeed, but if someone wants to commit suicide we do have a moral
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>duty not to supply the gun and teach him how to load it.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+    </blockquote>
+    It seems to me there are consequences from "user's choice" resulting
+    in a machine distributing spam, bots, malware,<br>
+    including damage to the reputation/adoption of FOSS, that reach
+    beyond the demise of one individual.  Linux is not only a matter<br>
+    of an individual's "choice".  <br>
+    Rolf<br>
+    <div style="bottom: auto; left: 335px; right: auto; top: 288px;
+      display: none;" class="translator-theme-default"
+      id="translator-floating-panel">
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+  <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">
+    On 04/10/2012 08:25 AM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org">mageia-discuss-request@mageia.org</a> wrote:
+    <blockquote
+      cite="mid:mailman.2495.1334071538.16879.mageia-discuss@mageia.org"
+      type="cite">
+      <pre wrap=""><div class="moz-txt-sig">2012/4/10 Anne Wilson <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:annew@kde.org">&lt;annew@kde.org&gt;</a>:
+</div></pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
+        <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;</span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>On 10/04/12 15:19, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:
+</pre>
+        <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
+          <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;&gt; </span>And remember too that Linux is all about user's choice; none of
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;&gt; </span>the "We are XXXXX of Borg, resistance is futile, you will do
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;&gt; </span>exactly what we tell you".
+</pre>
+        </blockquote>
+        <pre wrap=""><span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt;</span>
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>True indeed, but if someone wants to commit suicide we do have a moral
+<span class="moz-txt-citetags">&gt; </span>duty not to supply the gun and teach him how to load it.
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+    </blockquote>
+    It seems to me there are consequences from "user's choice" resulting
+    in a machine distributing spam, bots, malware,<br>
+    including damage to the reputation/adoption of FOSS, that reach
+    beyond the demise of one individual.  Linux is not only a matter<br>
+    of an individual's "choice".  <br>
+    Rolf<br>
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+      <div title="Click to translate"
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+<p>Same, I never notice the changes.....</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 10 Apr 2012 17:15, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>2012/4/10 Donald Stewart &lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com" target="_blank">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+
+
+<p><font color="#500050">&gt; On 10 April 2012 16:55, Doug Laidlaw &lt;<a href="mailto:laidlaws@hotkey.net.au" target="_blank">laidlaws@hotkey.net.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; I find the new artwork tha...</font></p>Oh, great! If you had not commented this change I would not have noticed!<br>
+
+
+(No joke! Usually I don&#39;t look at backgrounds.)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></p>
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+<p>Same, I never notice the changes.....</p>
+<p><blockquote type="cite">On 10 Apr 2012 17:15, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br>2012/4/10 Donald Stewart &lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com" target="_blank">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+
+
+<p><font color="#500050">&gt; On 10 April 2012 16:55, Doug Laidlaw &lt;<a href="mailto:laidlaws@hotkey.net.au" target="_blank">laidlaws@hotkey.net.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; I find the new artwork tha...</font></p>Oh, great! If you had not commented this change I would not have noticed!<br>
+
+
+(No joke! Usually I don&#39;t look at backgrounds.)<br>
+<font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></blockquote></p>
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+<html><head></head><body><div class="gmail_quote">Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt; wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: monospace">On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 01:47:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br />&gt; 2012/4/11 Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt;:<br />&gt; &gt; On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 06:17:32AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 05:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Olav<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; Vitters who wrote:<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;  I don't see how excluding documentation makes things more practical.<br />&gt; &gt;&gt;<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; As in "more practical to have diskspace available for data, than have it used<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; up by documentation I will not need" ?<br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; &gt; You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more<br />&gt; &gt; practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space.<br />&gt; &gt; I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I<br />&gt; &gt; don't
+  see
+how that makes not including documentation practical. Might be<br />&gt; &gt; practical to have the installer automatically detect a small amount of<br />&gt; &gt; disk space and exclude documentation. But in general not having any<br />&gt; &gt; documentation available is not practical at all; you have to rely on an<br />&gt; &gt; internet connection, hope that the documentation is available online,<br />&gt; &gt; furthermore you have to search for it.<br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; &gt; Not installing documentation,  might be some reasons for it, but<br />&gt; &gt; 'practical': I don't see it.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; The question whether having documentation ready or not is based on<br />&gt; individual preferences, there is no general consensus about that as<br />&gt; you pretend when you claim to "speak in general". At least this is<br /><br />That is not what I was after.<br /><br />I said that minimizing disk space is a preference. A way to achieve that<br />is to exclude
+documentation. Minimizing disk space might be practical in<br />some cases. But that doesn't mean that if by default / in general / for<br />everyone the documentation is excluded, that this exclusion is somehow<br />logical. Or: A -&gt; B doesn't mean B -&gt; A.<br /><br />&gt; what this thread told us. In my understanding the point of this whole<br />&gt; discussion is to find a way to cater to both sides, (A) having<br />&gt; documentation ready if you want it but also (B) being able to *easily*<br />&gt; avoid it if you don't want it. At the moment this issue is not solved<br />&gt; for (A) AND (B), only for (A).<br /><br />Seems you're just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, check<br />if it can be possible.<br /><br />At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the<br />only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space<br />concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will<br />ensure it is the
+ re when
+expected, instead of just being an option you<br />have to search for.<br /><br />-- <br />Regards,<br />Olav<br /></pre></blockquote></div><br clear="all">If a flag like --excludedocs works from the command line, there could conceptually exist some /etc/urpmi file that specifies flags that tools should use by default.  Since many flags are not universally applicable, this could be a source of issues though.  On install, if the user does not check the documentation box, then this is how that feature is selected.<br>
+<br>
+I see disk space detection as less obvious and potentially problematic as it might block things a user does not want blocked.<br>
+<br>
+It also occurs to me that there ought to be a way to reverse the block and reprocess packages to install docs that were so blocked... in a gui app.<br>
+-- <br>
+Sent from my Android tablet. Please excuse my brevity.</body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><head></head><body><div class="gmail_quote">Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt; wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: monospace">On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 01:47:51PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br />&gt; 2012/4/11 Olav Vitters &lt;olav@vitters.nl&gt;:<br />&gt; &gt; On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 06:17:32AM -0400, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; On Wednesday 11 Apr 2012 05:35 my mailbox was graced by a message from Olav<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; Vitters who wrote:<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;  I don't see how excluding documentation makes things more practical.<br />&gt; &gt;&gt;<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; As in "more practical to have diskspace available for data, than have it used<br />&gt; &gt;&gt; up by documentation I will not need" ?<br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; &gt; You're speaking about yourself. I am speaking in general. How is it more<br />&gt; &gt; practical that the documentation is not available? You raise disk space.<br />&gt; &gt; I see that as a benefit if you have a small amount of disk space. But I<br />&gt; &gt; don't
+  see
+how that makes not including documentation practical. Might be<br />&gt; &gt; practical to have the installer automatically detect a small amount of<br />&gt; &gt; disk space and exclude documentation. But in general not having any<br />&gt; &gt; documentation available is not practical at all; you have to rely on an<br />&gt; &gt; internet connection, hope that the documentation is available online,<br />&gt; &gt; furthermore you have to search for it.<br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; &gt; Not installing documentation,  might be some reasons for it, but<br />&gt; &gt; 'practical': I don't see it.<br />&gt; <br />&gt; The question whether having documentation ready or not is based on<br />&gt; individual preferences, there is no general consensus about that as<br />&gt; you pretend when you claim to "speak in general". At least this is<br /><br />That is not what I was after.<br /><br />I said that minimizing disk space is a preference. A way to achieve that<br />is to exclude
+documentation. Minimizing disk space might be practical in<br />some cases. But that doesn't mean that if by default / in general / for<br />everyone the documentation is excluded, that this exclusion is somehow<br />logical. Or: A -&gt; B doesn't mean B -&gt; A.<br /><br />&gt; what this thread told us. In my understanding the point of this whole<br />&gt; discussion is to find a way to cater to both sides, (A) having<br />&gt; documentation ready if you want it but also (B) being able to *easily*<br />&gt; avoid it if you don't want it. At the moment this issue is not solved<br />&gt; for (A) AND (B), only for (A).<br /><br />Seems you're just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, check<br />if it can be possible.<br /><br />At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the<br />only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space<br />concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will<br />ensure it is the
+ re when
+expected, instead of just being an option you<br />have to search for.<br /><br />-- <br />Regards,<br />Olav<br /></pre></blockquote></div><br clear="all">If a flag like --excludedocs works from the command line, there could conceptually exist some /etc/urpmi file that specifies flags that tools should use by default.  Since many flags are not universally applicable, this could be a source of issues though.  On install, if the user does not check the documentation box, then this is how that feature is selected.<br>
+<br>
+I see disk space detection as less obvious and potentially problematic as it might block things a user does not want blocked.<br>
+<br>
+It also occurs to me that there ought to be a way to reverse the block and reprocess packages to install docs that were so blocked... in a gui app.<br>
+-- <br>
+Sent from my Android tablet. Please excuse my brevity.</body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 11 Απριλίου 2012 3:53 μ.μ., ο χρήστης Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγραψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/4/11 Olav Vitters &lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 02:23:36PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Seems you&#39;re just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, check<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; if it can be possible.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hmm, Obviously we are talking about different things. I thought I<br>
+&gt;&gt; clearly showed that there is a need and that the topic of thei thread<br>
+&gt;&gt; is to find a solution.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The thread is just a request to exclude documentation. IMO the real need<br>
+&gt; is unclear (not only disk space apparently). If you fulfill every<br>
+&gt; request right away, you&#39;ll end up with a lot of options. Better to<br>
+&gt; analyse why something is asked and provide that. Gives a better<br>
+&gt; experience than just another option somewhere.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; have to search for.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; No, disk space is not the only reason but the most prominent. For the<br>
+&gt;&gt; rest of this paragraph I have no clue what you are talking about.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Either it&#39;s the language barrier or maybe my lack of tech<br>
+&gt;&gt; understanding.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I mean that is is better to know more than &quot;exclude documentation&quot;. That<br>
+&gt; is just a request, but I don&#39;t get why it is made. E.g. if the sole<br>
+&gt; reason would be to minimize disk space, then the most logical thing is<br>
+&gt; to include this where disk space is handled.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not talking technical, but more use cases.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; E.g. yesterday one of my disks was full. I could easily resolve, but<br>
+&gt; once you understand that one of the reasons for the exclusion of<br>
+&gt; documentation is disk space, then you can put intelligence to exclude<br>
+&gt; documentation not only in the Mageia installer, but also in the<br>
+&gt; notification of not enough disk space (you could have an option to<br>
+&gt; remove the documentation on disk). Similarly, if I move to a bigger<br>
+&gt; disk, I might want to easily reinstall the documentation that was<br>
+&gt; manually removed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Now if the only possibility to exclude documentation was in the Mageia<br>
+&gt; installer, then such an installer option doesn&#39;t really help when you<br>
+&gt; lack disk space later on.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hope you&#39;re getting what I am after.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Btw: I am not trying to do anything near &quot;stop energy&quot;, just want to<br>
+&gt; understand the use case better. The &quot;why&quot; is what I am after.<br>
+<br>
+Yes, I see, thx for clarification.<br>
+<br>
+Now, we have several use cases here:<br>
+<br>
+1 - disk is small (I have a netbook with a 4Gb SSD), I don&#39;t want to<br>
+waste space for ballast.<br>
+2 - disk is small, I don&#39;t want to waste space for ballast but I want<br>
+some handbooks and/or some documentation (meaning I can mark the<br>
+handbook I want and leave out all others)<br>
+3 - disk space is no issue but I do not want to bloat the installation<br>
+and only want the software installed which I really use.<br>
+4 - disk space is no issue but I want to save download ressources when<br>
+doing updates with rpmdrake (where you can&#39;t just say &#39;--no-suggests&#39;)<br>
+5 - disk space becomes an issue later so I want to remove all the<br>
+handbooks with rpmdrake but not the applications themselves. And I<br>
+don&#39;t want to go &#39;rpm -e -nodeps&#39; for each and every single handbook<br>
+<br>
+I am sure there are more use cases, for me the need for a small<br>
+installation was the small SSD in the netbook but I also think as #3<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>On the other hand if someone has a real limit with hard disk space, he can use another DE as icewm or lxde.<br>Or in KDE he can delete the handbook folder (doc/HTML) and what ever folder thinks that takes usefulness place in the drive. <br>
+If we don&#39;t provide the handbooks (with the applications) we will devalue its importance, and personally will be very discouraged to translate them.<br><br>* I am not at home, actually  how much space they take ? For what kind of size we are talking about ?<br>
+<br> <br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Στις 11 Απριλίου 2012 3:53 μ.μ., ο χρήστης Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> έγραψε:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/4/11 Olav Vitters &lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt; On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 02:23:36PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Seems you&#39;re just repeating what I suggested: if there is a need, check<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; if it can be possible.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hmm, Obviously we are talking about different things. I thought I<br>
+&gt;&gt; clearly showed that there is a need and that the topic of thei thread<br>
+&gt;&gt; is to find a solution.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; The thread is just a request to exclude documentation. IMO the real need<br>
+&gt; is unclear (not only disk space apparently). If you fulfill every<br>
+&gt; request right away, you&#39;ll end up with a lot of options. Better to<br>
+&gt; analyse why something is asked and provide that. Gives a better<br>
+&gt; experience than just another option somewhere.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; At the moment the only concern seems to be disk space. If that is the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; only reason, just do it automatically and/or have a special disk space<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; concious section. Fully analysing why to exclude would allow that will<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; ensure it is there when expected, instead of just being an option you<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; have to search for.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; No, disk space is not the only reason but the most prominent. For the<br>
+&gt;&gt; rest of this paragraph I have no clue what you are talking about.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Either it&#39;s the language barrier or maybe my lack of tech<br>
+&gt;&gt; understanding.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I mean that is is better to know more than &quot;exclude documentation&quot;. That<br>
+&gt; is just a request, but I don&#39;t get why it is made. E.g. if the sole<br>
+&gt; reason would be to minimize disk space, then the most logical thing is<br>
+&gt; to include this where disk space is handled.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not talking technical, but more use cases.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; E.g. yesterday one of my disks was full. I could easily resolve, but<br>
+&gt; once you understand that one of the reasons for the exclusion of<br>
+&gt; documentation is disk space, then you can put intelligence to exclude<br>
+&gt; documentation not only in the Mageia installer, but also in the<br>
+&gt; notification of not enough disk space (you could have an option to<br>
+&gt; remove the documentation on disk). Similarly, if I move to a bigger<br>
+&gt; disk, I might want to easily reinstall the documentation that was<br>
+&gt; manually removed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Now if the only possibility to exclude documentation was in the Mageia<br>
+&gt; installer, then such an installer option doesn&#39;t really help when you<br>
+&gt; lack disk space later on.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hope you&#39;re getting what I am after.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Btw: I am not trying to do anything near &quot;stop energy&quot;, just want to<br>
+&gt; understand the use case better. The &quot;why&quot; is what I am after.<br>
+<br>
+Yes, I see, thx for clarification.<br>
+<br>
+Now, we have several use cases here:<br>
+<br>
+1 - disk is small (I have a netbook with a 4Gb SSD), I don&#39;t want to<br>
+waste space for ballast.<br>
+2 - disk is small, I don&#39;t want to waste space for ballast but I want<br>
+some handbooks and/or some documentation (meaning I can mark the<br>
+handbook I want and leave out all others)<br>
+3 - disk space is no issue but I do not want to bloat the installation<br>
+and only want the software installed which I really use.<br>
+4 - disk space is no issue but I want to save download ressources when<br>
+doing updates with rpmdrake (where you can&#39;t just say &#39;--no-suggests&#39;)<br>
+5 - disk space becomes an issue later so I want to remove all the<br>
+handbooks with rpmdrake but not the applications themselves. And I<br>
+don&#39;t want to go &#39;rpm -e -nodeps&#39; for each and every single handbook<br>
+<br>
+I am sure there are more use cases, for me the need for a small<br>
+installation was the small SSD in the netbook but I also think as #3<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+wobo<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>On the other hand if someone has a real limit with hard disk space, he can use another DE as icewm or lxde.<br>Or in KDE he can delete the handbook folder (doc/HTML) and what ever folder thinks that takes usefulness place in the drive. <br>
+If we don&#39;t provide the handbooks (with the applications) we will devalue its importance, and personally will be very discouraged to translate them.<br><br>* I am not at home, actually  how much space they take ? For what kind of size we are talking about ?<br>
+<br> <br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday 19 Apr 2012 19:12:35 Anne Wilson wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 19/04/12 17:04, Anne Wilson wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I like to use an external monitor when doing more serious work on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; my netbook.  As far as I can see there is nothing in MCC for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; setting that up, so I assume I have to use System Settings.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; However, that too only offers me the settings for the netbook's</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; display.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I've looked at xorg.conf which also only has the settings for the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; netbook screen.  Am I right in thinking that I have to get xrandr</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; to get this working correctly?  At the moment I can clone the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; screen, but that means that only 80% of the screen is visible, a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; real pain.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I'm using beta 3, and package management seems to be problematic at</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  the moment.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Package management is now working - it looks as though the mirror was</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; down when I tried it (several times) earlier today.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It seems that xrandr is already installed, so that isn't the problem.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The netbook screen is correctly set to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 1280x720, refresh 60.4 Hz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The external monitor, a Samsung SyncMaster 193v is set to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 1024x768, refresh 60 Hz.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That should be 1280x1024, refresh 75Hz.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Does anyone know how I can set this up?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If you are running KDE, have you tried the KDE Systemsettings &gt; Display and Monitor &gt; Size and Orientation ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have used that to set up a separate monitor on my laptop.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday 19 Apr 2012 19:12:35 Anne Wilson wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 19/04/12 17:04, Anne Wilson wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I like to use an external monitor when doing more serious work on</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; my netbook.  As far as I can see there is nothing in MCC for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; setting that up, so I assume I have to use System Settings.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; However, that too only offers me the settings for the netbook's</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; display.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I've looked at xorg.conf which also only has the settings for the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; netbook screen.  Am I right in thinking that I have to get xrandr</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; to get this working correctly?  At the moment I can clone the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; screen, but that means that only 80% of the screen is visible, a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; real pain.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I'm using beta 3, and package management seems to be problematic at</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;  the moment.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Package management is now working - it looks as though the mirror was</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; down when I tried it (several times) earlier today.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It seems that xrandr is already installed, so that isn't the problem.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The netbook screen is correctly set to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 1280x720, refresh 60.4 Hz</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The external monitor, a Samsung SyncMaster 193v is set to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 1024x768, refresh 60 Hz.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That should be 1280x1024, refresh 75Hz.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Does anyone know how I can set this up?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If you are running KDE, have you tried the KDE Systemsettings &gt; Display and Monitor &gt; Size and Orientation ?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have used that to set up a separate monitor on my laptop.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p></body></html>
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+    On 20/04/12 11:35, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F913BFF.9000601@hiebel.eu" type="cite">
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+        http-equiv="Content-Type">
+      Le 20/04/2012 11:07, Len Lawrence a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+      <blockquote cite="mid:4F912752.7060609@gmail.com" type="cite"><br>
+        This is my production machine.&nbsp; The system started to boot and
+        seemed <br>
+        to be getting ready to switch to the gui and reported "the
+        driver has <br>
+        changed" and ejected the CD and asked me to reboot.&nbsp; End of
+        story. <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      Have you read the blog post, the download page or the errata ?<br>
+      <br>
+      "Please note there is a bug about LiveCDs and NVIDIA graphic
+      cards. A workarround can be found in the Errata"<br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+        href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card</a><br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <tt>Thanks, that was very useful.&nbsp; The system displayed perfectly
+      with the nouveau driver.&nbsp; But.&nbsp; GNOME 3; horrible.&nbsp; Cannot work
+      with it, ever.&nbsp; More to say on the forums.<br>
+      <br>
+      Len<br>
+      <br>
+    </tt>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    On 20/04/12 11:35, Manuel Hiebel wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F913BFF.9000601@hiebel.eu" type="cite">
+      <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+        http-equiv="Content-Type">
+      Le 20/04/2012 11:07, Len Lawrence a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+      <blockquote cite="mid:4F912752.7060609@gmail.com" type="cite"><br>
+        This is my production machine.&nbsp; The system started to boot and
+        seemed <br>
+        to be getting ready to switch to the gui and reported "the
+        driver has <br>
+        changed" and ejected the CD and asked me to reboot.&nbsp; End of
+        story. <br>
+      </blockquote>
+      Have you read the blog post, the download page or the errata ?<br>
+      <br>
+      "Please note there is a bug about LiveCDs and NVIDIA graphic
+      cards. A workarround can be found in the Errata"<br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+        href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card</a><br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <tt>Thanks, that was very useful.&nbsp; The system displayed perfectly
+      with the nouveau driver.&nbsp; But.&nbsp; GNOME 3; horrible.&nbsp; Cannot work
+      with it, ever.&nbsp; More to say on the forums.<br>
+      <br>
+      Len<br>
+      <br>
+    </tt>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
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+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    On 20/04/12 19:27, Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F91AA84.9050408@gmail.com" type="cite">
+      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+        charset=ISO-8859-1">
+      Hi!<br>
+      <br>
+      Now &amp; then I tend to loose my mind &amp; install Ubuntu on one
+      of my computers &amp; the last time I did it I heard about PPA's.
+      I added a PPA &amp; noticed how fun it was to test the code that
+      it offers.<br>
+      <br>
+      This is the explanation of what PPA is &amp; does according to the
+      Ubuntu-page:<br>
+      <br>
+      <b>"Personal Package Archives (PPA) allow you to upload Ubuntu
+        source packages to be built and published as an apt repository
+        by Launchpad."</b><br>
+      <br>
+      My idea would be something similar.<br>
+      <br>
+      It starts with the user that gets annoyed how some Mageia-packages
+      that are meant to be stable that they aren't.<br>
+      Instead of having to do the job themselves they can just add a
+      special media called user-contrib that contains packages built
+      from git-source to be tested in Cauldron &amp; then released as
+      Backport-version when confirmed stable enough to see if the issue
+      they had on the officially stable package is gone.<br>
+      <br>
+      I know that it would take many people to build thoose, but I'm
+      willing to download git-code &amp; compile &amp; build for Mageia.<br>
+      <br>
+      I've already managed to compile &amp; build the latest official
+      version of Transmission without using the official Mageia patches
+      &amp; I've got NO problem at all using the package.<br>
+      <br>
+      Test theese packages &amp; say what you think:<br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+href="http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+href="http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+      <br>
+      /Kristoffer<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Hi<br>
+    <br>
+    I have thought about it before how it could be useful after Mageia 2
+    has been released for there to be PPA's or something like it for
+    Mageia.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu PPA's are really just repo's that can be added by users
+    so that they can get later versions of software that aren't in the
+    Ubuntu repo's. With PPA's it's meant to be known as well that they
+    may be buggy, because usually they have just been made by
+    developers/packagers or something like that I think, and not gone
+    through a proper Quality Assurance process. Really they are meant to
+    be aimed at more experienced users, but it seems that more recently
+    since 2008 or something like that, that quite a lot of less
+    experienced Ubuntu users may also have at least one PPA installed.
+    Also to many installed PPA's can cause issues with the Ubuntu
+    install.<br>
+    <br>
+    I have been thinking before about the current Mageia release cycle
+    and when it comes to Gnome. Since the 9 months release cycle for
+    example, it seems that sometimes a new major version of Gnome will
+    have to be skipped, as in not offered by Mageia as an update for any
+    supported stable final release at the time.&nbsp; I am not a developer,
+    but I assume those versions of Gnome can be put into Cauldron and
+    then backported to the current stable release as well, or put into
+    something like a PPA for users to install into final Mageia
+    releases. As for Cauldron it should keep on having the latest
+    versions of Gnome, usually development versions.<br>
+    <br>
+    In general most Desktop Linux users want the latest final versions
+    of the software that they use it seems, and I think that it would be
+    good if there was a easy way to offer this for most or all packages.
+    This is where something like Ubuntu's PPA's would come in.<br>
+    <br>
+    I think if Mageia has something like PPA's, they shouldn't need to
+    require QA from the QA team and it should be known users and
+    potential users that they may be buggy/unstable.&nbsp; Where as backports
+    of course will have gone through the Mageia QA team process.<br>
+    <br>
+    As for the PPA's themselves or the something like it, would need a
+    website for it like they have for Ubuntu
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a> and they should only be offered
+    on the site from people who have gone through the Mageia packaging
+    process and become trusted packagers I think.<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-ppa-technology-explained/">http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-ppa-technology-explained/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA">https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA</a><br>
+    <br>
+    From Sebastian sebsebseb<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    On 20/04/12 19:27, Kristoffer Grundstr&ouml;m wrote:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F91AA84.9050408@gmail.com" type="cite">
+      <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
+        charset=ISO-8859-1">
+      Hi!<br>
+      <br>
+      Now &amp; then I tend to loose my mind &amp; install Ubuntu on one
+      of my computers &amp; the last time I did it I heard about PPA's.
+      I added a PPA &amp; noticed how fun it was to test the code that
+      it offers.<br>
+      <br>
+      This is the explanation of what PPA is &amp; does according to the
+      Ubuntu-page:<br>
+      <br>
+      <b>"Personal Package Archives (PPA) allow you to upload Ubuntu
+        source packages to be built and published as an apt repository
+        by Launchpad."</b><br>
+      <br>
+      My idea would be something similar.<br>
+      <br>
+      It starts with the user that gets annoyed how some Mageia-packages
+      that are meant to be stable that they aren't.<br>
+      Instead of having to do the job themselves they can just add a
+      special media called user-contrib that contains packages built
+      from git-source to be tested in Cauldron &amp; then released as
+      Backport-version when confirmed stable enough to see if the issue
+      they had on the officially stable package is gone.<br>
+      <br>
+      I know that it would take many people to build thoose, but I'm
+      willing to download git-code &amp; compile &amp; build for Mageia.<br>
+      <br>
+      I've already managed to compile &amp; build the latest official
+      version of Transmission without using the official Mageia patches
+      &amp; I've got NO problem at all using the package.<br>
+      <br>
+      Test theese packages &amp; say what you think:<br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+href="http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+      <br>
+      <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+href="http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+      <br>
+      /Kristoffer<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Hi<br>
+    <br>
+    I have thought about it before how it could be useful after Mageia 2
+    has been released for there to be PPA's or something like it for
+    Mageia.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu PPA's are really just repo's that can be added by users
+    so that they can get later versions of software that aren't in the
+    Ubuntu repo's. With PPA's it's meant to be known as well that they
+    may be buggy, because usually they have just been made by
+    developers/packagers or something like that I think, and not gone
+    through a proper Quality Assurance process. Really they are meant to
+    be aimed at more experienced users, but it seems that more recently
+    since 2008 or something like that, that quite a lot of less
+    experienced Ubuntu users may also have at least one PPA installed.
+    Also to many installed PPA's can cause issues with the Ubuntu
+    install.<br>
+    <br>
+    I have been thinking before about the current Mageia release cycle
+    and when it comes to Gnome. Since the 9 months release cycle for
+    example, it seems that sometimes a new major version of Gnome will
+    have to be skipped, as in not offered by Mageia as an update for any
+    supported stable final release at the time.&nbsp; I am not a developer,
+    but I assume those versions of Gnome can be put into Cauldron and
+    then backported to the current stable release as well, or put into
+    something like a PPA for users to install into final Mageia
+    releases. As for Cauldron it should keep on having the latest
+    versions of Gnome, usually development versions.<br>
+    <br>
+    In general most Desktop Linux users want the latest final versions
+    of the software that they use it seems, and I think that it would be
+    good if there was a easy way to offer this for most or all packages.
+    This is where something like Ubuntu's PPA's would come in.<br>
+    <br>
+    I think if Mageia has something like PPA's, they shouldn't need to
+    require QA from the QA team and it should be known users and
+    potential users that they may be buggy/unstable.&nbsp; Where as backports
+    of course will have gone through the Mageia QA team process.<br>
+    <br>
+    As for the PPA's themselves or the something like it, would need a
+    website for it like they have for Ubuntu
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a> and they should only be offered
+    on the site from people who have gone through the Mageia packaging
+    process and become trusted packagers I think.<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-ppa-technology-explained/">http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/ubuntu-ppa-technology-explained/</a><br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA">https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA</a><br>
+    <br>
+    From Sebastian sebsebseb<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Sebastian sebsebseb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><div class="h5">As for the PPA&#39;s themselves or the something like it, would need a
+    website for it like they have for Ubuntu
+    <a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a> and they should only be offered
+    on the site from people who have gone through the Mageia packaging
+    process and become trusted packagers I think.</div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My understanding was that part of the attraction of Ubuntu&#39;s PPAs was that any registered user could create one, making it an easy way for developers to distribute their software until Ubuntu proper gets around to creating an official package.</div>
+<div><br></div></div><br clear="all">William Tracy<br><a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com" target="_blank">afishionado@gmail.com</a><br>(408) 685-4819<br><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Sebastian sebsebseb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div><div class="h5">As for the PPA&#39;s themselves or the something like it, would need a
+    website for it like they have for Ubuntu
+    <a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas" target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a> and they should only be offered
+    on the site from people who have gone through the Mageia packaging
+    process and become trusted packagers I think.</div></div><div class="h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My understanding was that part of the attraction of Ubuntu&#39;s PPAs was that any registered user could create one, making it an easy way for developers to distribute their software until Ubuntu proper gets around to creating an official package.</div>
+<div><br></div></div><br clear="all">William Tracy<br><a href="mailto:afishionado@gmail.com" target="_blank">afishionado@gmail.com</a><br>(408) 685-4819<br><br>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
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+    Hi!<br>
+    <br>
+    Now &amp; then I tend to loose my mind &amp; install Ubuntu on one
+    of my computers &amp; the last time I did it I heard about PPA's. I
+    added a PPA &amp; noticed how fun it was to test the code that it
+    offers.<br>
+    <br>
+    This is the explanation of what PPA is &amp; does according to the
+    Ubuntu-page:<br>
+    <br>
+    <b>"Personal Package Archives (PPA) allow you to upload Ubuntu
+      source packages to be built and published as an apt repository by
+      Launchpad."</b><br>
+    <br>
+    My idea would be something similar.<br>
+    <br>
+    It starts with the user that gets annoyed how some Mageia-packages
+    that are meant to be stable that they aren't.<br>
+    Instead of having to do the job themselves they can just add a
+    special media called user-contrib that contains packages built from
+    git-source to be tested in Cauldron &amp; then released as
+    Backport-version when confirmed stable enough to see if the issue
+    they had on the officially stable package is gone.<br>
+    <br>
+    I know that it would take many people to build thoose, but I'm
+    willing to download git-code &amp; compile &amp; build for Mageia.<br>
+    <br>
+    I've already managed to compile &amp; build the latest official
+    version of Transmission without using the official Mageia patches
+    &amp; I've got NO problem at all using the package.<br>
+    <br>
+    Test theese packages &amp; say what you think:<br>
+    <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+    <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
+  </body>
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+    Hi!<br>
+    <br>
+    Now &amp; then I tend to loose my mind &amp; install Ubuntu on one
+    of my computers &amp; the last time I did it I heard about PPA's. I
+    added a PPA &amp; noticed how fun it was to test the code that it
+    offers.<br>
+    <br>
+    This is the explanation of what PPA is &amp; does according to the
+    Ubuntu-page:<br>
+    <br>
+    <b>"Personal Package Archives (PPA) allow you to upload Ubuntu
+      source packages to be built and published as an apt repository by
+      Launchpad."</b><br>
+    <br>
+    My idea would be something similar.<br>
+    <br>
+    It starts with the user that gets annoyed how some Mageia-packages
+    that are meant to be stable that they aren't.<br>
+    Instead of having to do the job themselves they can just add a
+    special media called user-contrib that contains packages built from
+    git-source to be tested in Cauldron &amp; then released as
+    Backport-version when confirmed stable enough to see if the issue
+    they had on the officially stable package is gone.<br>
+    <br>
+    I know that it would take many people to build thoose, but I'm
+    willing to download git-code &amp; compile &amp; build for Mageia.<br>
+    <br>
+    I've already managed to compile &amp; build the latest official
+    version of Transmission without using the official Mageia patches
+    &amp; I've got NO problem at all using the package.<br>
+    <br>
+    Test theese packages &amp; say what you think:<br>
+    <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.153.84/c75b5l1s469g/yljxa1e92l5mmix/transmission-debug-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+    <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm">http://199.91.152.243/2wm8pbg3k5eg/9th0m5xxslth99a/transmission-2.51%2B-1.x86_64.rpm</a><br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    Le 20/04/2012 11:07, Len Lawrence a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F912752.7060609@gmail.com" type="cite"><br>
+      This is my production machine.&nbsp; The system started to boot and
+      seemed
+      <br>
+      to be getting ready to switch to the gui and reported "the driver
+      has
+      <br>
+      changed" and ejected the CD and asked me to reboot.&nbsp; End of story.
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    Have you read the blog post, the download page or the errata ?<br>
+    <br>
+    "Please note there is a bug about LiveCDs and NVIDIA graphic cards.
+    A workarround can be found in
+    <a
+      href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card"></a>the
+    Errata"<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    Le 20/04/2012 11:07, Len Lawrence a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:4F912752.7060609@gmail.com" type="cite"><br>
+      This is my production machine.&nbsp; The system started to boot and
+      seemed
+      <br>
+      to be getting ready to switch to the gui and reported "the driver
+      has
+      <br>
+      changed" and ejected the CD and asked me to reboot.&nbsp; End of story.
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    Have you read the blog post, the download page or the errata ?<br>
+    <br>
+    "Please note there is a bug about LiveCDs and NVIDIA graphic cards.
+    A workarround can be found in
+    <a
+      href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card"></a>the
+    Errata"<br>
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#LiveCD_and_Nvidia_card</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    On 21/04/12 00:00, William Tracy wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACSkqzxDXoG=nbq3MFbL8P1kPcq6AFWWNNec-hpt2G4Ls5xHOA@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM,
+        Sebastian sebsebseb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+            <div>
+              <div class="h5">As for the PPA's themselves or the
+                something like it, would need a website for it like they
+                have for Ubuntu <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                  href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas"
+                  target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a>
+                and they should only be offered on the site from people
+                who have gone through the Mageia packaging process and
+                become trusted packagers I think.</div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="h5"><br>
+            </div>
+          </div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>My understanding was that part of the attraction of
+          Ubuntu's PPAs was that any registered user could create one,
+          making it an easy way for developers to distribute their
+          software until Ubuntu proper gets around to creating an
+          official package.</div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Yes that's correct anyone that knows how can make a PPA for Ubuntu.
+    As for registration I think that has never been needed to make PPA's
+    for Ubuntu.<br>
+    <br>
+    Users of any PPA have to trust the person or people who made it,
+    that they aren't getting malicious software from the PPA.&nbsp; So on a
+    official Mageia PPA's or something like PPA's sub site, they could
+    be offered, but I think should only be from people who have gone
+    through the Mageia packaging process and that are trusted, as I
+    suggested in the other message.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu Some PPA's used to be sort of supported by the Ubuntu
+    Community, more recently in general PPA's with Ubuntu are supported
+    more, because the software centre can install them for example.<br>
+    <br>
+    Before PPA's if I remember correctly Wine used to have a special
+    repo for Ubuntu, but for a rather long time those that want the very
+    latest final version can install the PPA instead. Pidgin also offers
+    a PPA and has done for a rather long time for it's latest final
+    version.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu 11.04 which uses GNOME 2 with their patches as the fall
+    back mode, and Unity on top of GNOME 2 as the default, there was
+    also a PPA made for GNOME 3. I tried the PPA out in both Beta 2 and
+    the final I think, and it didn't work that well for me, and this
+    seems to have been the case for a lot of other people as well, but
+    it was known to be buggy.<br>
+    <br>
+    So put simply all a PPA tends to be is a way for users to easily
+    install later versions of software without having to use a
+    development version of the distribution that offers a later version
+    of the software that is wanted.&nbsp; Or without waiting until the next
+    version of the distribution.<br>
+    <br>
+    PPA's are repo's as a result the software in those repo's will be
+    updated usually at times, and proper updates not just security.<br>
+    <br>
+    With PPA's it's ok for them to be buggy as mentioned in my previous
+    email, because unlike backports they probably haven't gone through a
+    proper QA process.<br>
+    <br>
+    Backports from Cauldron to Mageia 2&nbsp; it seems will probably start
+    being offered soon after Mageia 2 has been released, but I don't
+    know for sure. However I do think that having something like PPA's
+    as well for Mageia would be quite a good thing indeed! As long as
+    users understand that they may be buggy, and shouldn't be relied on
+    to much if wanting loads of later software, than what the current
+    latest stable version of Mageia at the time is offering.&nbsp; Many
+    Mageia users who would like a lot of later versions of software than
+    what the repo's of a final version of Mageia has, should probably be
+    running Cauldron instead really.<br>
+    <br>
+    From Sebastian sebsebseb<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    On 21/04/12 00:00, William Tracy wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CACSkqzxDXoG=nbq3MFbL8P1kPcq6AFWWNNec-hpt2G4Ls5xHOA@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 1:47 PM,
+        Sebastian sebsebseb <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+            <div>
+              <div class="h5">As for the PPA's themselves or the
+                something like it, would need a website for it like they
+                have for Ubuntu <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                  href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas"
+                  target="_blank">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas</a>
+                and they should only be offered on the site from people
+                who have gone through the Mageia packaging process and
+                become trusted packagers I think.</div>
+            </div>
+            <div class="h5"><br>
+            </div>
+          </div>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+        </div>
+        <div>My understanding was that part of the attraction of
+          Ubuntu's PPAs was that any registered user could create one,
+          making it an easy way for developers to distribute their
+          software until Ubuntu proper gets around to creating an
+          official package.</div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Yes that's correct anyone that knows how can make a PPA for Ubuntu.
+    As for registration I think that has never been needed to make PPA's
+    for Ubuntu.<br>
+    <br>
+    Users of any PPA have to trust the person or people who made it,
+    that they aren't getting malicious software from the PPA.&nbsp; So on a
+    official Mageia PPA's or something like PPA's sub site, they could
+    be offered, but I think should only be from people who have gone
+    through the Mageia packaging process and that are trusted, as I
+    suggested in the other message.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu Some PPA's used to be sort of supported by the Ubuntu
+    Community, more recently in general PPA's with Ubuntu are supported
+    more, because the software centre can install them for example.<br>
+    <br>
+    Before PPA's if I remember correctly Wine used to have a special
+    repo for Ubuntu, but for a rather long time those that want the very
+    latest final version can install the PPA instead. Pidgin also offers
+    a PPA and has done for a rather long time for it's latest final
+    version.<br>
+    <br>
+    With Ubuntu 11.04 which uses GNOME 2 with their patches as the fall
+    back mode, and Unity on top of GNOME 2 as the default, there was
+    also a PPA made for GNOME 3. I tried the PPA out in both Beta 2 and
+    the final I think, and it didn't work that well for me, and this
+    seems to have been the case for a lot of other people as well, but
+    it was known to be buggy.<br>
+    <br>
+    So put simply all a PPA tends to be is a way for users to easily
+    install later versions of software without having to use a
+    development version of the distribution that offers a later version
+    of the software that is wanted.&nbsp; Or without waiting until the next
+    version of the distribution.<br>
+    <br>
+    PPA's are repo's as a result the software in those repo's will be
+    updated usually at times, and proper updates not just security.<br>
+    <br>
+    With PPA's it's ok for them to be buggy as mentioned in my previous
+    email, because unlike backports they probably haven't gone through a
+    proper QA process.<br>
+    <br>
+    Backports from Cauldron to Mageia 2&nbsp; it seems will probably start
+    being offered soon after Mageia 2 has been released, but I don't
+    know for sure. However I do think that having something like PPA's
+    as well for Mageia would be quite a good thing indeed! As long as
+    users understand that they may be buggy, and shouldn't be relied on
+    to much if wanting loads of later software, than what the current
+    latest stable version of Mageia at the time is offering.&nbsp; Many
+    Mageia users who would like a lot of later versions of software than
+    what the repo's of a final version of Mageia has, should probably be
+    running Cauldron instead really.<br>
+    <br>
+    From Sebastian sebsebseb<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+t&#39;s fixed. :-)<br>I installed gtk-qt-kcm and after in the kcm I chose oxygne-gtk style.<br>I also removed all the ia_ora file. And now ot&#39;s ok<br><br>Thank you !<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/21 Moreau Serge <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:serge.moreau@wanadoo.fr">serge.moreau@wanadoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le samedi 21 avril 2012 11:41:32, Thibaut FRANCOIS a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It seems I did a bad manipulation in cauldron, since yesterday firefox and<br>
+&gt; drakconf are ugly, see<br>
+</div>&gt; here&lt;<a href="http://thibautfrancois.fr/capture/captureFirefox.png" target="_blank">http://thibautfrancois.fr/capture/captureFirefox.png</a>&gt;.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Libreoffice is ok.<br>
+&gt; I checked oxygen-gtk et oxygen-gtk3, they are installed on my system.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you have any idea to fixe that ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; Thibaut<br>
+</div>gtk-qt-kcm which is not installed ?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+t&#39;s fixed. :-)<br>I installed gtk-qt-kcm and after in the kcm I chose oxygne-gtk style.<br>I also removed all the ia_ora file. And now ot&#39;s ok<br><br>Thank you !<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/21 Moreau Serge <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:serge.moreau@wanadoo.fr">serge.moreau@wanadoo.fr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le samedi 21 avril 2012 11:41:32, Thibaut FRANCOIS a �crit :<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It seems I did a bad manipulation in cauldron, since yesterday firefox and<br>
+&gt; drakconf are ugly, see<br>
+</div>&gt; here&lt;<a href="http://thibautfrancois.fr/capture/captureFirefox.png" target="_blank">http://thibautfrancois.fr/capture/captureFirefox.png</a>&gt;.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Libreoffice is ok.<br>
+&gt; I checked oxygen-gtk et oxygen-gtk3, they are installed on my system.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Do you have any idea to fixe that ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; Thibaut<br>
+</div>gtk-qt-kcm which is not installed ?<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>It seems I did a bad manipulation in cauldron, since yesterday firefox and drakconf are ugly, <a href="http://thibautfrancois.fr/capture/captureFirefox.png">see here</a> .<br>Libreoffice is ok.<br>I checked <span id="m121648">oxygen-gtk et oxygen-gtk3, they are installed on my system.<br>
+
+<br>Do you have any idea to fixe that ?<br><br>Regards,<br>Thibaut<br></span>
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+Hi,<br><br>It seems I did a bad manipulation in cauldron, since yesterday firefox and drakconf are ugly, <a href="http://thibautfrancois.fr/capture/captureFirefox.png">see here</a> .<br>Libreoffice is ok.<br>I checked <span id="m121648">oxygen-gtk et oxygen-gtk3, they are installed on my system.<br>
+
+<br>Do you have any idea to fixe that ?<br><br>Regards,<br>Thibaut<br></span>
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><span id="result_box" class="long_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">I was not sure</span> <span class="hps">before,</span> <span class="hps">with the name</span><span class="">, the correct name</span> <span class="hps atn">is &quot;</span><i><b><span>kernel</span><span>-firmware</span><span>-extra</span></b></i><span>&quot;</span><span class="">, you have to</span> <span class="hps">remove</span> <span class="hps"><i><b>ndiswrapper</b></i>,</span> <span class="hps">out of the</span> <span class="hps">&quot;blacklist</span><span>&quot;</span> <span class="hps">atl1c</span><span class="">.</span></span><br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/27 imnotpc <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:imnotpc@rock3d.net" target="_blank">imnotpc@rock3d.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 04/27/2012 01:54 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 04/27/2012 01:00 PM, imnotpc wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Yes, and success! I have an Acer also but it uses the b43 driver. Since the gui tools locked up I went back to drakconnect and tried to configure the wireless interface. It required firmware files but I installed them using my key drive the same way I installed the kernel firmware package. After I successfully installed the firmware the system boots normally and both NICs work.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+Is this a known bug? If not, what package should I file a bug report against?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+If you google &quot;linux freeze atl1c&quot; you&#39;ll get a bunch of hits, but it&#39;s not really clear which driver is causing the problem. �Probably atl1c, since not all of those affected are using Broadcom wireless.<br>
+
+
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+lsmod | grep atl didn&#39;t get any hits and lsmod | grep b43 gives this:<br>
+<br>
+b43 � � � � � � � � � 392212 �0<br>
+rng_core � � � � � � � 13292 �1 b43<br>
+bcma � � � � � � � � � 35012 �1 b43<br>
+mac80211 � � � � � � �440190 �1 b43<br>
+cfg80211 � � � � � � �199805 �2 mac80211,b43<br>
+ssb � � � � � � � � � �62651 �1 b43<br>
+pcmcia � � � � � � � � 61681 �2 ssb,b43<br>
+mmc_core � � � � � � �114404 �4 sdhci,sdhci_pci,ssb,b43<br>
+<br>
+Unless it uses a different name I don&#39;t think my laptop uses the atl1c driver. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a bug in the b43 firmware since that works fine once it&#39;s installed. I would guess it&#39;s a hardware probe of some sort that locks up when it encounters the wireless NIC without firmware.<br>
+
+
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
+
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><span id="result_box" class="long_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">I was not sure</span> <span class="hps">before,</span> <span class="hps">with the name</span><span class="">, the correct name</span> <span class="hps atn">is &quot;</span><i><b><span>kernel</span><span>-firmware</span><span>-extra</span></b></i><span>&quot;</span><span class="">, you have to</span> <span class="hps">remove</span> <span class="hps"><i><b>ndiswrapper</b></i>,</span> <span class="hps">out of the</span> <span class="hps">&quot;blacklist</span><span>&quot;</span> <span class="hps">atl1c</span><span class="">.</span></span><br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/27 imnotpc <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:imnotpc@rock3d.net" target="_blank">imnotpc@rock3d.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 04/27/2012 01:54 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 04/27/2012 01:00 PM, imnotpc wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Yes, and success! I have an Acer also but it uses the b43 driver. Since the gui tools locked up I went back to drakconnect and tried to configure the wireless interface. It required firmware files but I installed them using my key drive the same way I installed the kernel firmware package. After I successfully installed the firmware the system boots normally and both NICs work.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+Is this a known bug? If not, what package should I file a bug report against?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+If you google &quot;linux freeze atl1c&quot; you&#39;ll get a bunch of hits, but it&#39;s not really clear which driver is causing the problem. �Probably atl1c, since not all of those affected are using Broadcom wireless.<br>
+
+
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+lsmod | grep atl didn&#39;t get any hits and lsmod | grep b43 gives this:<br>
+<br>
+b43 � � � � � � � � � 392212 �0<br>
+rng_core � � � � � � � 13292 �1 b43<br>
+bcma � � � � � � � � � 35012 �1 b43<br>
+mac80211 � � � � � � �440190 �1 b43<br>
+cfg80211 � � � � � � �199805 �2 mac80211,b43<br>
+ssb � � � � � � � � � �62651 �1 b43<br>
+pcmcia � � � � � � � � 61681 �2 ssb,b43<br>
+mmc_core � � � � � � �114404 �4 sdhci,sdhci_pci,ssb,b43<br>
+<br>
+Unless it uses a different name I don&#39;t think my laptop uses the atl1c driver. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a bug in the b43 firmware since that works fine once it&#39;s installed. I would guess it&#39;s a hardware probe of some sort that locks up when it encounters the wireless NIC without firmware.<br>
+
+
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><br><br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
+
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Try</span> <span class="hps">installing:</span> <span class="hps">&quot;firmware</span><span>-extra</span><span>&quot;</span> <span class="hps">I think</span> <span class="hps">so</span><span>, I</span> <span class="hps">worked</span> <span class="hps">with</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">USB</span> <span class="hps">and PCI</span> <span class="hps">cards </span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">in an</span> <span class="hps">ACER ASPIRE</span> <span class="hps">5735</span></span><br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/27 imnotpc <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:imnotpc@rock3d.net" target="_blank">imnotpc@rock3d.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 04/27/2012 01:54 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 04/27/2012 01:00 PM, imnotpc wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Yes, and success! I have an Acer also but it uses the b43 driver. Since the gui tools locked up I went back to drakconnect and tried to configure the wireless interface. It required firmware files but I installed them using my key drive the same way I installed the kernel firmware package. After I successfully installed the firmware the system boots normally and both NICs work.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+Is this a known bug? If not, what package should I file a bug report against?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+If you google &quot;linux freeze atl1c&quot; you&#39;ll get a bunch of hits, but it&#39;s not really clear which driver is causing the problem. �Probably atl1c, since not all of those affected are using Broadcom wireless.<br>
+
+
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+lsmod | grep atl didn&#39;t get any hits and lsmod | grep b43 gives this:<br>
+<br>
+b43 � � � � � � � � � 392212 �0<br>
+rng_core � � � � � � � 13292 �1 b43<br>
+bcma � � � � � � � � � 35012 �1 b43<br>
+mac80211 � � � � � � �440190 �1 b43<br>
+cfg80211 � � � � � � �199805 �2 mac80211,b43<br>
+ssb � � � � � � � � � �62651 �1 b43<br>
+pcmcia � � � � � � � � 61681 �2 ssb,b43<br>
+mmc_core � � � � � � �114404 �4 sdhci,sdhci_pci,ssb,b43<br>
+<br>
+Unless it uses a different name I don&#39;t think my laptop uses the atl1c driver. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a bug in the b43 firmware since that works fine once it&#39;s installed. I would guess it&#39;s a hardware probe of some sort that locks up when it encounters the wireless NIC without firmware.<br>
+
+
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+
+<br>MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com<br><br>Skype: rarroyo15 <br><br>Mi p�gina: <a href="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/" target="_blank">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</a><span onmouseout="cancel = false; window.setTimeout(WRCHideContent, 1000); clearTimeout(showTimer);" onmouseover=" var self = this; showTimer = window.setTimeout(function(){WRCShowContent({&#39;rating&#39;:{&#39;value&#39;:84,&#39;weight&#39;:77},&#39;flags&#39;:{},&#39;single&#39;:false,&#39;ttl&#39;:7200,&#39;expireTime&#39;:&#39;20120427143512&#39;}, self.className)},600);" class="wrc13" style="padding-right:16px;width:16px;height:16px"></span><br>
+
+<br>Linux Usuario Registrado #492143<br>
+</div>
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+<div class="gmail_extra"><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">Try</span> <span class="hps">installing:</span> <span class="hps">&quot;firmware</span><span>-extra</span><span>&quot;</span> <span class="hps">I think</span> <span class="hps">so</span><span>, I</span> <span class="hps">worked</span> <span class="hps">with</span> <span class="hps">a</span> <span class="hps">USB</span> <span class="hps">and PCI</span> <span class="hps">cards </span></span><span id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span class="hps">in an</span> <span class="hps">ACER ASPIRE</span> <span class="hps">5735</span></span><br>
+
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/4/27 imnotpc <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:imnotpc@rock3d.net" target="_blank">imnotpc@rock3d.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 04/27/2012 01:54 PM, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 04/27/2012 01:00 PM, imnotpc wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Yes, and success! I have an Acer also but it uses the b43 driver. Since the gui tools locked up I went back to drakconnect and tried to configure the wireless interface. It required firmware files but I installed them using my key drive the same way I installed the kernel firmware package. After I successfully installed the firmware the system boots normally and both NICs work.<br>
+
+
+<br>
+Is this a known bug? If not, what package should I file a bug report against?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+If you google &quot;linux freeze atl1c&quot; you&#39;ll get a bunch of hits, but it&#39;s not really clear which driver is causing the problem. �Probably atl1c, since not all of those affected are using Broadcom wireless.<br>
+
+
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+lsmod | grep atl didn&#39;t get any hits and lsmod | grep b43 gives this:<br>
+<br>
+b43 � � � � � � � � � 392212 �0<br>
+rng_core � � � � � � � 13292 �1 b43<br>
+bcma � � � � � � � � � 35012 �1 b43<br>
+mac80211 � � � � � � �440190 �1 b43<br>
+cfg80211 � � � � � � �199805 �2 mac80211,b43<br>
+ssb � � � � � � � � � �62651 �1 b43<br>
+pcmcia � � � � � � � � 61681 �2 ssb,b43<br>
+mmc_core � � � � � � �114404 �4 sdhci,sdhci_pci,ssb,b43<br>
+<br>
+Unless it uses a different name I don&#39;t think my laptop uses the atl1c driver. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s a bug in the b43 firmware since that works fine once it&#39;s installed. I would guess it&#39;s a hardware probe of some sort that locks up when it encounters the wireless NIC without firmware.<br>
+
+
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Ricardo M. Arroyo Alvarado<br>Tel. 2639-4043<br>T�cnico Mantenimiento de PC&#39;s (Titulado y Certificado)<br>Mi M�quina: <a href="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#" target="_blank">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</a><br>
+
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello developers<br><br>as you know .... there are some <span style="font-weight:bold">drakextools</span> when you open it and give it an order <br><br>and you will be busy with another apps like firefox or any apps<br>
+<br>then that <span style="font-weight:bold">drakextool</span> finished its work<br><br>then it will still remains in the back waiting for you to close its window<br><br>this
+ is not good .... because the program will still use some of pc sources 
+without doing anything but stay waiting for you to close its window<br><br>and those <span style="font-weight:bold">drakextools</span> are<br><br><span style="font-weight:bold">drakrpm-update</span> / <span style="font-weight:bold">draknetcenter</span> <br>
+<br>so how about giving those two tools this feature .......</div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello developers<br><br>as you know .... there are some <span style="font-weight:bold">drakextools</span> when you open it and give it an order <br><br>and you will be busy with another apps like firefox or any apps<br>
+<br>then that <span style="font-weight:bold">drakextool</span> finished its work<br><br>then it will still remains in the back waiting for you to close its window<br><br>this
+ is not good .... because the program will still use some of pc sources 
+without doing anything but stay waiting for you to close its window<br><br>and those <span style="font-weight:bold">drakextools</span> are<br><br><span style="font-weight:bold">drakrpm-update</span> / <span style="font-weight:bold">draknetcenter</span> <br>
+<br>so how about giving those two tools this feature .......</div></div>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll start some tests with LTSP and l need to know if someone uses the LTSP with Mageia?</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+Hi,<div><br></div><div>I&#39;ll start some tests with LTSP and l need to know if someone uses the LTSP with Mageia?</div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/16 Phil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:phil_lor@bigpond.com" target="_blank">phil_lor@bigpond.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;d like to install the libgruel-devel package but it isn&#39;t available from the MCC under Mageia one. I see that RPM search has the library file so it is available.<br>
+<br>
+How do I include the repository that contains libgruel into MCC so that I can avoid manually dealing with the list of dependencies?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Regards,<br>
+Phil<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I think that the best way would be to ask at mageia&#39;s bugzilla, to be included in mageia&#39;s repos.<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/16 Phil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:phil_lor@bigpond.com" target="_blank">phil_lor@bigpond.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;d like to install the libgruel-devel package but it isn&#39;t available from the MCC under Mageia one. I see that RPM search has the library file so it is available.<br>
+<br>
+How do I include the repository that contains libgruel into MCC so that I can avoid manually dealing with the list of dependencies?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Regards,<br>
+Phil<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>I think that the best way would be to ask at mageia&#39;s bugzilla, to be included in mageia&#39;s repos.<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p><br>
+Le 18 mai 2012 20:44, &quot;Romain d&amp;apos;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; The only reason that i can think right now is that someone from wikipedia hates Mageia or he is afraid from its success.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No, it&#39;s only that 3 persons voted for deletion, and 2 against. Take<br>
+&gt; this as a cold machine; someone triggered it and here it is. Would<br>
+&gt; have been there 1 or 2 person against, it wouldn&#39;t have happened. What<br>
+&gt; is somewhat valid is that the Mageia article may have missed enough<br>
+&gt; references to news or other type sites, talking about Mageia. We just<br>
+&gt; need someone to start a new page with a more documented format, and I<br>
+&gt; think this will make it.<br></p>
+<p>Even in this case the delete is not a responsable action. The guy who does nt wanted the article could simply add a notice in the header to inform that &quot;this article has few external sources, be aware of the information you read, there is a discussion currently about that&quot;.<br>
+
+ It is clear that the goal was to delete the article. And if you read with attention his reasons, it would be very difficult ,see impossible, to convince him. Just for the obvious, the existance of the 3rd in the last month distribution. And as i said, his fantastic creteria dont match the other distributions listed in wikipedia. Why he did nt deleted them ?</p>
+
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+<p><br>
+Le 18 mai 2012 20:44, &quot;Romain d&amp;apos;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; The only reason that i can think right now is that someone from wikipedia hates Mageia or he is afraid from its success.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No, it&#39;s only that 3 persons voted for deletion, and 2 against. Take<br>
+&gt; this as a cold machine; someone triggered it and here it is. Would<br>
+&gt; have been there 1 or 2 person against, it wouldn&#39;t have happened. What<br>
+&gt; is somewhat valid is that the Mageia article may have missed enough<br>
+&gt; references to news or other type sites, talking about Mageia. We just<br>
+&gt; need someone to start a new page with a more documented format, and I<br>
+&gt; think this will make it.<br></p>
+<p>Even in this case the delete is not a responsable action. The guy who does nt wanted the article could simply add a notice in the header to inform that &quot;this article has few external sources, be aware of the information you read, there is a discussion currently about that&quot;.<br>
+
+ It is clear that the goal was to delete the article. And if you read with attention his reasons, it would be very difficult ,see impossible, to convince him. Just for the obvious, the existance of the 3rd in the last month distribution. And as i said, his fantastic creteria dont match the other distributions listed in wikipedia. Why he did nt deleted them ?</p>
+
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+Le 21 mai 2012 23:20, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sunday 20 May 2012 19:56, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; I have therefore created a Mageia page in my own sandbox, that we can work on. That way it can be moved to the main article when it&#39;s ready.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And now we have a Wikipedia article, with sources. :-)=<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+&gt; PGP key ID: 0xFA687324</p>
+<p>It looks good, dont forget to take a backup ;)<br>
+</p>
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+Le 21 mai 2012 23:20, &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Sunday 20 May 2012 19:56, Johnny A. Solbu wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; I have therefore created a Mageia page in my own sandbox, that we can work on. That way it can be moved to the main article when it&#39;s ready.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And now we have a Wikipedia article, with sources. :-)=<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+&gt; PGP key ID: 0xFA687324</p>
+<p>It looks good, dont forget to take a backup ;)<br>
+</p>
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+<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">Congratulations to all</span> <span class="hps">involved!<br>Keep the good work.<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/23 Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Tue, 22 May 2012 22:39:22 +0200<br>
+Anne Nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So here it is! Mageia 2 final release is out.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - new web site layout: <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; - blog announcement: <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/22/mageia-2" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/22/mageia-2</a><br>
+&gt; - download isos: <a href="https://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+&gt; - release notes: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes</a><br>
+&gt; - errata: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>That&#39;s great news. Thanks to everybody for their hard work.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m looking forward for Cauldron to be opened again, so I can update and upload<br>
+new packages.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+ � � � �Shlomi Fish<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Thanks everybody for all the hard work during these last months. I guess<br>
+&gt; we can be proud if this release and we hope you will enjoy this new version.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Big thanks for last run to tmb and QA team who did not sleep a lot these<br>
+&gt; last days :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Spread Mageia 2 and enjoy!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</div>-----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+Shlomi Fish � � � <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/</a><br>
+Chuck Norris/etc. Facts - <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/</a><br>
+<br>
+English spelling aims to be consistent. Publicly and methodically.<br>
+<br>
+Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">Congratulations to all</span> <span class="hps">involved!<br>Keep the good work.<br></span></span><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/23 Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span><br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Tue, 22 May 2012 22:39:22 +0200<br>
+Anne Nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; So here it is! Mageia 2 final release is out.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; - new web site layout: <a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+&gt; - blog announcement: <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/22/mageia-2" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/05/22/mageia-2</a><br>
+&gt; - download isos: <a href="https://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/en/downloads/</a><br>
+&gt; - release notes: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Release_Notes</a><br>
+&gt; - errata: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>That&#39;s great news. Thanks to everybody for their hard work.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m looking forward for Cauldron to be opened again, so I can update and upload<br>
+new packages.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+ � � � �Shlomi Fish<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Thanks everybody for all the hard work during these last months. I guess<br>
+&gt; we can be proud if this release and we hope you will enjoy this new version.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Big thanks for last run to tmb and QA team who did not sleep a lot these<br>
+&gt; last days :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Spread Mageia 2 and enjoy!<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</div>-----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+Shlomi Fish � � � <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/</a><br>
+Chuck Norris/etc. Facts - <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/</a><br>
+<br>
+English spelling aims to be consistent. Publicly and methodically.<br>
+<br>
+Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi all,<br><br>yesterday, as expected, I got on my desktop the notification that a new release was available. When I launched the upgrade, a window opened with two checkboxes: one for downloading all the packages before starting to install them, and one for something else which I don&#39;t remember right now.<br>
+
+<br>I checked none, but I guess I should have checked the &quot;download first&quot; one. Never mind about this.<br><br>As it was late, and it was going to be a long task, I went to sleep hoping to find my system upgraded in the morning. In the morning I found a small window saying that the installation of 2 packages had failed and buttons to abort or continue. I clicked on continue and the task went on. That window blocked the whole installation during most of the night.<br>
+<br>Now I&#39;m at work hoping to find my system upgraded at the end of the day, but I&#39;m afraid that the window waiting for an answer pops up again and blocks my upgrade.<br><br>So I wonder if it would be possible to avoid this situation for the next mayor release (Mageia 3). I can imagine that the initial window could have a third checkbox that users could check to tell the applet (or urpmi, I don&#39;t know which handles this) to continue on errors (just as it they had pressed the Continue button) and show a list of errors at the end; but other solutions might also work.<br>
+<br>Well, this is my proposition. What do you people think about it?<br><br><br>Alejandro.<br>
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+Hi all,<br><br>yesterday, as expected, I got on my desktop the notification that a new release was available. When I launched the upgrade, a window opened with two checkboxes: one for downloading all the packages before starting to install them, and one for something else which I don&#39;t remember right now.<br>
+
+<br>I checked none, but I guess I should have checked the &quot;download first&quot; one. Never mind about this.<br><br>As it was late, and it was going to be a long task, I went to sleep hoping to find my system upgraded in the morning. In the morning I found a small window saying that the installation of 2 packages had failed and buttons to abort or continue. I clicked on continue and the task went on. That window blocked the whole installation during most of the night.<br>
+<br>Now I&#39;m at work hoping to find my system upgraded at the end of the day, but I&#39;m afraid that the window waiting for an answer pops up again and blocks my upgrade.<br><br>So I wonder if it would be possible to avoid this situation for the next mayor release (Mageia 3). I can imagine that the initial window could have a third checkbox that users could check to tell the applet (or urpmi, I don&#39;t know which handles this) to continue on errors (just as it they had pressed the Continue button) and show a list of errors at the end; but other solutions might also work.<br>
+<br>Well, this is my proposition. What do you people think about it?<br><br><br>Alejandro.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/24 Remco Rijnders <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com" target="_blank">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 07:22:36AM +0200, Dimitrios wrote in &lt;<a href="mailto:CALVo_BjiEQ32_%2BQgUbmEzQE5_2q9PaL-%2BP2y3%2BmRtXgURAayvQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CALVo_BjiEQ32_+QgUbmEzQE5_<u></u>2q9PaL-+P2y3+mRtXgURAayvQ@<u></u>mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;:<div>
+<div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/5/24 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the<br>
+screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the<br>
+windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are<br>
+written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always<br>
+present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card.<br>
+Any idea ?<br>
+<br>
+It is not a rotation but a direction problem. Eg, The mouse pointer is<br>
+correct.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Here is a screenshot:<br>
+<a href="http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png" target="_blank">http://img526.imageshack.us/<u></u>img526/7963/kdes.png</a><br>
+<br>
+In LXDE it works , but i dont have any icon in the taskbar. There is a<br>
+square instead.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+No clue as to the cause or solution of this problem (have you tried starting with a fresh .kde4?), but I do think you win the price for the most visually stunning bug report so far :-)<br>
+<br>
+Remmy<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Yes, i think i worth the price! :D<br><br>i will install icewm because the lxde has the menu broken, in the taskbar does nt open, i open the applications from the File manager &gt; Applications, in the left column of the file manager.<br>
+<br><br>On boot, it stalls for a while (40 sec.) in the &quot;Started /home...&quot; and it has a message about a missing dependancy in cryptography .... something like that, if it is interresting i will note the excact message when i will be at home, this evening.<br>
+<br>So far, my upgarde has broked my system. I hope that is not the case for many users.<br><br><br><br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/24 Remco Rijnders <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com" target="_blank">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 07:22:36AM +0200, Dimitrios wrote in &lt;<a href="mailto:CALVo_BjiEQ32_%2BQgUbmEzQE5_2q9PaL-%2BP2y3%2BmRtXgURAayvQ@mail.gmail.com" target="_blank">CALVo_BjiEQ32_+QgUbmEzQE5_<u></u>2q9PaL-+P2y3+mRtXgURAayvQ@<u></u>mail.gmail.com</a>&gt;:<div>
+<div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/5/24 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the<br>
+screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the<br>
+windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are<br>
+written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always<br>
+present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card.<br>
+Any idea ?<br>
+<br>
+It is not a rotation but a direction problem. Eg, The mouse pointer is<br>
+correct.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Here is a screenshot:<br>
+<a href="http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png" target="_blank">http://img526.imageshack.us/<u></u>img526/7963/kdes.png</a><br>
+<br>
+In LXDE it works , but i dont have any icon in the taskbar. There is a<br>
+square instead.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+No clue as to the cause or solution of this problem (have you tried starting with a fresh .kde4?), but I do think you win the price for the most visually stunning bug report so far :-)<br>
+<br>
+Remmy<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">Yes, i think i worth the price! :D<br><br>i will install icewm because the lxde has the menu broken, in the taskbar does nt open, i open the applications from the File manager &gt; Applications, in the left column of the file manager.<br>
+<br><br>On boot, it stalls for a while (40 sec.) in the &quot;Started /home...&quot; and it has a message about a missing dependancy in cryptography .... something like that, if it is interresting i will note the excact message when i will be at home, this evening.<br>
+<br>So far, my upgarde has broked my system. I hope that is not the case for many users.<br><br><br><br><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/24 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr" target="_blank">xrg@linux.gr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thursday 24 May 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; 2012/5/24 Remco Rijnders &lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;  I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; screen upside down.<br>
+</div>&gt; &gt;&gt; Here is a screenshot:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png" target="_blank">http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&lt;<a href="http://img526.imagesh" target="_blank">http://img526.imagesh</a><br>
+
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png" target="_blank">ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; No clue as to the cause or solution of this problem (have you tried<br>
+&gt; &gt; starting with a fresh .kde4?), but I do think you win the price for the<br>
+&gt; &gt; most visually stunning bug report so far :-)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Set:<br>
+<br>
+Australia_Mode=off<br>
+<br>
+:D<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+[ can you check with a different nv driver? ]<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br>I want to set another driver but the mcc cannot be launched :<br><br>[dglent@localhost ~]$ mcc<br>[dglent@localhost ~]$ <br>(drakconf.real:7406): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure.<br>
+<br>(drakconf.real:7406): Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading icon from file &#39;/usr/share/pixmaps/password.png&#39;:<br>    Fail to load image &#39;/usr/share/pixmaps/password.png&#39;: Unknown reason, probably damaged image file<br>
+GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure. at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm">mygtk2.pm</a> line 316.<br>GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure. at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm">mygtk2.pm</a> line 316.<br>
+Wide character in warn at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://standalone.pm">standalone.pm</a> line 215.<br>Fail to load image &#39;/usr/lib/libDrakX/icons/drakbug-16.png&#39;: Unknown error, probably the image file is damaged at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm">mygtk2.pm</a> line 316.<br>
+Perl&#39;s trace:<br>standalone::bug_handler() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:316">mygtk2.pm:316</a><br>mygtk2::_gtk__Pixbuf() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:105">mygtk2.pm:105</a><br>
+mygtk2::_gtk() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:41">mygtk2.pm:41</a><br>mygtk2::gtknew() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:866">mygtk2.pm:866</a><br>mygtk2::_gtk_any_Window() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:831">mygtk2.pm:831</a><br>
+mygtk2::_gtk__Window() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:105">mygtk2.pm:105</a><br>mygtk2::_gtk() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:1232">mygtk2.pm:1232</a><br>mygtk2::_create_Window() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:922">mygtk2.pm:922</a><br>
+mygtk2::_gtk__MagicWindow() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:105">mygtk2.pm:105</a><br>mygtk2::_gtk() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:41">mygtk2.pm:41</a><br>mygtk2::gtknew() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://ugtk2.pm:739">ugtk2.pm:739</a><br>
+ugtk2::new() called from /usr/bin/drakbug:62<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/24 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr" target="_blank">xrg@linux.gr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thursday 24 May 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; 2012/5/24 Remco Rijnders &lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;  I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; screen upside down.<br>
+</div>&gt; &gt;&gt; Here is a screenshot:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png" target="_blank">http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&lt;<a href="http://img526.imagesh" target="_blank">http://img526.imagesh</a><br>
+
+&gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png" target="_blank">ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; No clue as to the cause or solution of this problem (have you tried<br>
+&gt; &gt; starting with a fresh .kde4?), but I do think you win the price for the<br>
+&gt; &gt; most visually stunning bug report so far :-)<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Set:<br>
+<br>
+Australia_Mode=off<br>
+<br>
+:D<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+[ can you check with a different nv driver? ]<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br>I want to set another driver but the mcc cannot be launched :<br><br>[dglent@localhost ~]$ mcc<br>[dglent@localhost ~]$ <br>(drakconf.real:7406): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure.<br>
+<br>(drakconf.real:7406): Gtk-WARNING **: Error loading icon from file &#39;/usr/share/pixmaps/password.png&#39;:<br>    Fail to load image &#39;/usr/share/pixmaps/password.png&#39;: Unknown reason, probably damaged image file<br>
+GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure. at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm">mygtk2.pm</a> line 316.<br>GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure. at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm">mygtk2.pm</a> line 316.<br>
+Wide character in warn at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://standalone.pm">standalone.pm</a> line 215.<br>Fail to load image &#39;/usr/lib/libDrakX/icons/drakbug-16.png&#39;: Unknown error, probably the image file is damaged at /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm">mygtk2.pm</a> line 316.<br>
+Perl&#39;s trace:<br>standalone::bug_handler() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:316">mygtk2.pm:316</a><br>mygtk2::_gtk__Pixbuf() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:105">mygtk2.pm:105</a><br>
+mygtk2::_gtk() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:41">mygtk2.pm:41</a><br>mygtk2::gtknew() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:866">mygtk2.pm:866</a><br>mygtk2::_gtk_any_Window() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:831">mygtk2.pm:831</a><br>
+mygtk2::_gtk__Window() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:105">mygtk2.pm:105</a><br>mygtk2::_gtk() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:1232">mygtk2.pm:1232</a><br>mygtk2::_create_Window() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:922">mygtk2.pm:922</a><br>
+mygtk2::_gtk__MagicWindow() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:105">mygtk2.pm:105</a><br>mygtk2::_gtk() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://mygtk2.pm:41">mygtk2.pm:41</a><br>mygtk2::gtknew() called from /usr/lib/libDrakX/<a href="http://ugtk2.pm:739">ugtk2.pm:739</a><br>
+ugtk2::new() called from /usr/bin/drakbug:62<br><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    Le 24/05/2012 19:31, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CALVo_BiAPjZu=Qe5AMM8F7hDqTN5Wad63BAtrxUxgeNKnYFzog@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/24 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr"
+            target="_blank">xrg@linux.gr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          On Thursday 24 May 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+          <div class="im">&gt; 2012/5/24 Remco Rijnders &lt;<a
+              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;<br>
+            &gt; &gt;&gt;  I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After
+            reboot, in KDE i have the<br>
+            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; screen upside down.<br>
+          </div>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; Here is a screenshot:<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png"
+            target="_blank">http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://img526.imagesh"
+            target="_blank">http://img526.imagesh</a><br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png" target="_blank">ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&gt;<br>
+          <div class="im">&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+            &gt; &gt; No clue as to the cause or solution of this
+            problem (have you tried<br>
+            &gt; &gt; starting with a fresh .kde4?), but I do think you
+            win the price for the<br>
+            &gt; &gt; most visually stunning bug report so far :-)<br>
+            &gt; &gt;<br>
+            <br>
+          </div>
+          Set:<br>
+          <br>
+          Australia_Mode=off<br>
+          <br>
+          :D<br>
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          [ can you check with a different nv driver? ]<br>
+          <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+              --<br>
+              Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+            </font></span></blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      I want to set another driver but the mcc cannot be launched :<br>
+      <br>
+      [dglent@localhost ~]$ mcc<br>
+      [dglent@localhost ~]$ <br>
+      (drakconf.real:7406): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader
+      'png12' didn't set an error on failure.<br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    Check the errata ;)<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Le 24/05/2012 19:31, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CALVo_BiAPjZu=Qe5AMM8F7hDqTN5Wad63BAtrxUxgeNKnYFzog@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/24 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr"
+            target="_blank">xrg@linux.gr</a>&gt;</span><br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          On Thursday 24 May 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+          <div class="im">&gt; 2012/5/24 Remco Rijnders &lt;<a
+              moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;<br>
+            &gt; &gt;&gt;  I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After
+            reboot, in KDE i have the<br>
+            &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; screen upside down.<br>
+          </div>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; Here is a screenshot:<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png"
+            target="_blank">http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://img526.imagesh"
+            target="_blank">http://img526.imagesh</a><br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png" target="_blank">ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&gt;<br>
+          <div class="im">&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+            &gt; &gt; No clue as to the cause or solution of this
+            problem (have you tried<br>
+            &gt; &gt; starting with a fresh .kde4?), but I do think you
+            win the price for the<br>
+            &gt; &gt; most visually stunning bug report so far :-)<br>
+            &gt; &gt;<br>
+            <br>
+          </div>
+          Set:<br>
+          <br>
+          Australia_Mode=off<br>
+          <br>
+          :D<br>
+          <br>
+          <br>
+          [ can you check with a different nv driver? ]<br>
+          <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+              --<br>
+              Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+            </font></span></blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      I want to set another driver but the mcc cannot be launched :<br>
+      <br>
+      [dglent@localhost ~]$ mcc<br>
+      [dglent@localhost ~]$ <br>
+      (drakconf.real:7406): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader
+      'png12' didn't set an error on failure.<br>
+      <br>
+      -- <br>
+      <div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    Check the errata ;)<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/24 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br>
+
+
+Any idea ? </p>
+<p>It is not a rotation but a direction problem. Eg, The mouse pointer is correct. </p>
+</blockquote></div><br>Here is a screenshot:<br><a href="http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png">http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png</a><br><br>In LXDE it works , but i dont have any icon in the taskbar. There is a square instead.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/24 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<p>I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br>
+
+
+Any idea ? </p>
+<p>It is not a rotation but a direction problem. Eg, The mouse pointer is correct. </p>
+</blockquote></div><br>Here is a screenshot:<br><a href="http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png">http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png</a><br><br>In LXDE it works , but i dont have any icon in the taskbar. There is a square instead.<br clear="all">
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday, May 24, 2012 09:04:41 PM Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />Le 24 mai 2012 20:49, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">mikala@mageia.org</span></a>&gt; a �crit�:<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Le 24 mai 2012 01:11, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; a �crit�:<br />&gt;<br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; &gt; I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br />&gt; &gt; Any idea ?<br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; It seems to be a krandr configuration problem.<br />&gt; Could you check your ~/.kde4/share/config/krandrrc file?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now i can log to kde normaly.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I installed the nvidia drivers from nonfree or tainted repo and after 1 - 2 reboot it is fixed.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now, i have another problem. I have enabled the effects in kwin but i have a message with a list of effect plugins that cannot be enabled. So i dont have any effect.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Another problem is with kmail. I have a message in first launch of kmail to migrate to kmail2. I choosed ok and the wizard crashed with a message that if i want to migrate later manually i have to launch kmail-migrator --interactive. But when i launch it i have the message:<br />kmail-migrator(3971) main: Migration of kmailrc has alreadyrun,not running it again<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Try deleting .kde4/share/config/kmail-migratorrc and try again. Worked for me.<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday, May 24, 2012 09:04:41 PM Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />Le 24 mai 2012 20:49, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">mikala@mageia.org</span></a>&gt; a �crit�:<br />&gt;<br />&gt;<br />&gt; Le 24 mai 2012 01:11, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; a �crit�:<br />&gt;<br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; &gt; I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br />&gt; &gt; Any idea ?<br />&gt; &gt;<br />&gt; It seems to be a krandr configuration problem.<br />&gt; Could you check your ~/.kde4/share/config/krandrrc file?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now i can log to kde normaly.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I installed the nvidia drivers from nonfree or tainted repo and after 1 - 2 reboot it is fixed.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now, i have another problem. I have enabled the effects in kwin but i have a message with a list of effect plugins that cannot be enabled. So i dont have any effect.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Another problem is with kmail. I have a message in first launch of kmail to migrate to kmail2. I choosed ok and the wizard crashed with a message that if i want to migrate later manually i have to launch kmail-migrator --interactive. But when i launch it i have the message:<br />kmail-migrator(3971) main: Migration of kmailrc has alreadyrun,not running it again<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Try deleting .kde4/share/config/kmail-migratorrc and try again. Worked for me.<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
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+Le 24 mai 2012 19:49, &quot;Manuel Hiebel&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel@hiebel.eu">manuel@hiebel.eu</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 24/05/2012 19:31, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/5/24 P. Christeas &lt;<a href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr">xrg@linux.gr</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thursday 24 May 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 2012/5/24 Remco Rijnders &lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;  I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; screen upside down.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Here is a screenshot:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png">http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&lt;<a href="http://img526.imagesh">http://img526.imagesh</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png">ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; No clue as to the cause or solution of this problem (have you tried<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; starting with a fresh .kde4?), but I do think you win the price for the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; most visually stunning bug report so far :-)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Set:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Australia_Mode=off<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :D<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [ can you check with a different nv driver? ]<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I want to set another driver but the mcc cannot be launched :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; [dglent@localhost ~]$ mcc<br>
+&gt;&gt; [dglent@localhost ~]$ <br>
+&gt;&gt; (drakconf.real:7406): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; -- <br>
+&gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Check the errata ;)<br>
+&gt;<br></p>
+<p>Ok i can have KDE now, after a hard time. </p>
+<p>But many problems, i dont have kmail, errors with akonadi, also my boot is about 5 minutes, it spends a lot of time with &quot;started /home&quot; and in some other steps on boot, and it spends a lot of time to enter in KDE...</p>
+
+<p>I will try to bring everything as before but it seems that it needs a lot of time. </p>
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+Le 24 mai 2012 19:49, &quot;Manuel Hiebel&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:manuel@hiebel.eu">manuel@hiebel.eu</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 24/05/2012 19:31, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; 2012/5/24 P. Christeas &lt;<a href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr">xrg@linux.gr</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; On Thursday 24 May 2012, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; 2012/5/24 Remco Rijnders &lt;<a href="mailto:remco@webconquest.com">remco@webconquest.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;  I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; screen upside down.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; Here is a screenshot:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png">http://img526.imageshack.us/**img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&lt;<a href="http://img526.imagesh">http://img526.imagesh</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; <a href="http://ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png">ack.us/img526/7963/kdes.png</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; No clue as to the cause or solution of this problem (have you tried<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; starting with a fresh .kde4?), but I do think you win the price for the<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; most visually stunning bug report so far :-)<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Set:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Australia_Mode=off<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; :D<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; [ can you check with a different nv driver? ]<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; --<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I want to set another driver but the mcc cannot be launched :<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; [dglent@localhost ~]$ mcc<br>
+&gt;&gt; [dglent@localhost ~]$ <br>
+&gt;&gt; (drakconf.real:7406): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; -- <br>
+&gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; Check the errata ;)<br>
+&gt;<br></p>
+<p>Ok i can have KDE now, after a hard time. </p>
+<p>But many problems, i dont have kmail, errors with akonadi, also my boot is about 5 minutes, it spends a lot of time with &quot;started /home&quot; and in some other steps on boot, and it spends a lot of time to enter in KDE...</p>
+
+<p>I will try to bring everything as before but it seems that it needs a lot of time. </p>
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+Macxi,<br><br>I understood the &quot;Do not ask me next time&quot; meant that the next upgrade, the upgrade to Mageia 3, would happen automatically, without asking me. That&#39;s why I didn&#39;t check it. Now you tell me it means &quot;Do not upgrade to Mageia 2 and stop asking me to do so.&quot; Waw! This message really needs to be clearer.<br>
+<br>Nevertheless, my proposition was not related to these two options but about adding a third one saying something like &quot;Do not stop on errors.&quot; So I guess it should be treated separatelly from yours (even thought I would like to see both of them implemented).<br>
+<br>Cheers,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Macxi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com" target="_blank">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em qui 24 mai 2012, às 09:52:15, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati escreveu:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; On Thursday 24 May 2012 08:09 my mailbox was graced by a message from<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Alejandro López who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Well, this is my proposition. What do you people think about it?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sounds both logical and reasonable.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No doubt reasons will be found not to do it  ;-3)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ron.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Alejandro and Ron,<br>
+<br>
+Yesterday I opened a topic in Mageia Forum (en) about it, to discuss this<br>
+improvement:<br>
+<br>
+Distribution Upgrade Mageia 1 to Mageia 2<br>
+<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+And now, I opened a bug report:<br>
+Bug 6068 - The texts of the dialog windows of Mageia Upgrade are not clear<br>
+enough<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068</a><br>
+<br>
+I still have no suggestions about it.<br>
+But as Alejandro, I also am concerned about this option, it seems, for a<br>
+beginner, the best option, but I think technically more complicated and danger<br>
+of breaking the system.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Macxi<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Macxi,<br><br>I understood the &quot;Do not ask me next time&quot; meant that the next upgrade, the upgrade to Mageia 3, would happen automatically, without asking me. That&#39;s why I didn&#39;t check it. Now you tell me it means &quot;Do not upgrade to Mageia 2 and stop asking me to do so.&quot; Waw! This message really needs to be clearer.<br>
+<br>Nevertheless, my proposition was not related to these two options but about adding a third one saying something like &quot;Do not stop on errors.&quot; So I guess it should be treated separatelly from yours (even thought I would like to see both of them implemented).<br>
+<br>Cheers,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Macxi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com" target="_blank">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em qui 24 mai 2012, às 09:52:15, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati escreveu:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; On Thursday 24 May 2012 08:09 my mailbox was graced by a message from<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Alejandro López who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Well, this is my proposition. What do you people think about it?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sounds both logical and reasonable.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; No doubt reasons will be found not to do it  ;-3)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ron.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Alejandro and Ron,<br>
+<br>
+Yesterday I opened a topic in Mageia Forum (en) about it, to discuss this<br>
+improvement:<br>
+<br>
+Distribution Upgrade Mageia 1 to Mageia 2<br>
+<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+And now, I opened a bug report:<br>
+Bug 6068 - The texts of the dialog windows of Mageia Upgrade are not clear<br>
+enough<br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068</a><br>
+<br>
+I still have no suggestions about it.<br>
+But as Alejandro, I also am concerned about this option, it seems, for a<br>
+beginner, the best option, but I think technically more complicated and danger<br>
+of breaking the system.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Macxi<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+I want to set another driver but the mcc cannot be launched :<br><br>[dglent@localhost ~]$ mcc<br>[dglent@localhost ~]$ <br>(drakconf.real:7406): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure.</blockquote>
+
+<div><br></div><div>That&#39;s a known issue with a simple workaround: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Drakconf_issue">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Drakconf_issue</a></div></div>
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+On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+I want to set another driver but the mcc cannot be launched :<br><br>[dglent@localhost ~]$ mcc<br>[dglent@localhost ~]$ <br>(drakconf.real:7406): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Bug! gdk-pixbuf loader &#39;png12&#39; didn&#39;t set an error on failure.</blockquote>
+
+<div><br></div><div>That&#39;s a known issue with a simple workaround: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Drakconf_issue">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Errata#Drakconf_issue</a></div></div>
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+<p><br>
+Le 24 mai 2012 20:49, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 24 mai 2012 01:11, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br>
+
+&gt; &gt; Any idea ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; It seems to be a krandr configuration problem.<br>
+&gt; Could you check your ~/.kde4/share/config/krandrrc file?</p>
+<p>Now i can log to kde normaly.</p>
+<p>I installed the nvidia drivers from nonfree or tainted repo and after 1	 - 2 reboot it is fixed.</p>
+<p>Now, i have another problem. I have enabled the effects in kwin but i have a message with a list of effect plugins that cannot be enabled. So i dont have any effect.</p>
+<p>Another problem is with kmail. I have a message in first launch of kmail to migrate to kmail2. I choosed ok and the wizard crashed with a message that if i want to migrate later manually i have to launch kmail-migrator --interactive. But when i launch it i have the message:<br>
+
+ kmail-migrator(3971) main: Migration of kmailrc has alreadyrun,not running it again<br>
+ <br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 24 mai 2012 20:49, &quot;John Balcaen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:mikala@mageia.org">mikala@mageia.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 24 mai 2012 01:11, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br>
+
+&gt; &gt; Any idea ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; It seems to be a krandr configuration problem.<br>
+&gt; Could you check your ~/.kde4/share/config/krandrrc file?</p>
+<p>Now i can log to kde normaly.</p>
+<p>I installed the nvidia drivers from nonfree or tainted repo and after 1	 - 2 reboot it is fixed.</p>
+<p>Now, i have another problem. I have enabled the effects in kwin but i have a message with a list of effect plugins that cannot be enabled. So i dont have any effect.</p>
+<p>Another problem is with kmail. I have a message in first launch of kmail to migrate to kmail2. I choosed ok and the wizard crashed with a message that if i want to migrate later manually i have to launch kmail-migrator --interactive. But when i launch it i have the message:<br>
+
+ kmail-migrator(3971) main: Migration of kmailrc has alreadyrun,not running it again<br>
+ <br>
+</p>
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+<p>I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br>
+
+Any idea ? </p>
+<p>It is not a rotation but a direction problem. Eg, The mouse pointer is correct. </p>
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+<p>I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br>
+
+Any idea ? </p>
+<p>It is not a rotation but a direction problem. Eg, The mouse pointer is correct. </p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 24 mai 2012 22:02, &quot;Tony Blackwell&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tablackwell@bigpond.com">tablackwell@bigpond.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Dimitrios, your helpful comment<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Set:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Australia_Mode=off<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; :D<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; was definitely a brilliant start to my day!  Laughter is good therapy.  I guess we are upside-down to some...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; tonyb, Brisbane, Australia.<br></p>
+<p>Was Panos&#39;s quote :D</p>
+<p>Was realy funny, i left the computer upgrading during the night and this morning i woke up, i made a coffee and i took a comfort place in front of my pc. When i saw the desktop upside down, i was sure that it was because i did nt start taking my coffee. So, i took a&#39; little of the hot espresso and i looked again to the screen with the hope to see the layout normaly, but not. After a second sip of coffee i realised that everything was upside down and i was well waked up!<br>
+
+:)<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 24 mai 2012 22:02, &quot;Tony Blackwell&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:tablackwell@bigpond.com">tablackwell@bigpond.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Dimitrios, your helpful comment<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Set:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Australia_Mode=off<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; :D<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; was definitely a brilliant start to my day!  Laughter is good therapy.  I guess we are upside-down to some...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; tonyb, Brisbane, Australia.<br></p>
+<p>Was Panos&#39;s quote :D</p>
+<p>Was realy funny, i left the computer upgrading during the night and this morning i woke up, i made a coffee and i took a comfort place in front of my pc. When i saw the desktop upside down, i was sure that it was because i did nt start taking my coffee. So, i took a&#39; little of the hot espresso and i looked again to the screen with the hope to see the layout normaly, but not. After a second sip of coffee i realised that everything was upside down and i was well waked up!<br>
+
+:)<br>
+</p>
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+Le 24 mai 2012 01:11, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br>
+
+&gt; Any idea ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+It seems to be a krandr configuration problem.<br>
+Could you check your ~/.kde4/share/config/krandrrc file?<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 24 mai 2012 01:11, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card. <br>
+
+&gt; Any idea ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+It seems to be a krandr configuration problem.<br>
+Could you check your ~/.kde4/share/config/krandrrc file?<br>
+</p>
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+Macxi,<br><br>I used your picture of the window and set your bug as &quot;See also&quot; in mine. Hope you don&#39;t mind.<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Alejandro López <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Morgan Leijström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu" target="_blank">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please post a enhancment request at <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/</a><br>
+And try to propose different wording and that third alternative.<br></blockquote></div><div><br>Done.<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6086" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6086</a><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br>
+<br> </font></span></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+/Morgan<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+torsdagen den 24 maj <a href="tel:2012%2016.31.55" value="+12012163155" target="_blank">2012 16.31.55</a> skrev  Alejandro López:<br>
+<div><div>&gt; Macxi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I understood the &quot;Do not ask me next time&quot; meant that the next upgrade, the<br>
+&gt; upgrade to Mageia 3, would happen automatically, without asking me. That&#39;s<br>
+&gt; why I didn&#39;t check it. Now you tell me it means &quot;Do not upgrade to Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; and stop asking me to do so.&quot; Waw! This message really needs to be clearer.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Nevertheless, my proposition was not related to these two options but about<br>
+&gt; adding a third one saying something like &quot;Do not stop on errors.&quot; So I<br>
+&gt; guess it should be treated separatelly from yours (even thought I would<br>
+&gt; like to see both of them implemented).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; Alejandro.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Macxi &lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com" target="_blank">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Em qui 24 mai 2012, às 09:52:15, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati escreveu:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; On Thursday 24 May 2012 08:09 my mailbox was graced by a message from<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Alejandro López who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Well, this is my proposition. What do you people think about it?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Sounds both logical and reasonable.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; No doubt reasons will be found not to do it  ;-3)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Ron.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Alejandro and Ron,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Yesterday I opened a topic in Mageia Forum (en) about it, to discuss this<br>
+&gt; &gt; improvement:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Distribution Upgrade Mageia 1 to Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And now, I opened a bug report:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Bug 6068 - The texts of the dialog windows of Mageia Upgrade are not<br>
+&gt; &gt; clear enough<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I still have no suggestions about it.<br>
+&gt; &gt; But as Alejandro, I also am concerned about this option, it seems, for a<br>
+&gt; &gt; beginner, the best option, but I think technically more complicated and<br>
+&gt; &gt; danger<br>
+&gt; &gt; of breaking the system.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt; &gt; Macxi<br>
+<br>
+</div></div><span><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Morgan Leijström<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Macxi,<br><br>I used your picture of the window and set your bug as &quot;See also&quot; in mine. Hope you don&#39;t mind.<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Alejandro López <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Morgan Leijström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu" target="_blank">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please post a enhancment request at <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/</a><br>
+And try to propose different wording and that third alternative.<br></blockquote></div><div><br>Done.<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6086" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6086</a><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br>
+<br> </font></span></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+/Morgan<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+torsdagen den 24 maj <a href="tel:2012%2016.31.55" value="+12012163155" target="_blank">2012 16.31.55</a> skrev  Alejandro López:<br>
+<div><div>&gt; Macxi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I understood the &quot;Do not ask me next time&quot; meant that the next upgrade, the<br>
+&gt; upgrade to Mageia 3, would happen automatically, without asking me. That&#39;s<br>
+&gt; why I didn&#39;t check it. Now you tell me it means &quot;Do not upgrade to Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; and stop asking me to do so.&quot; Waw! This message really needs to be clearer.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Nevertheless, my proposition was not related to these two options but about<br>
+&gt; adding a third one saying something like &quot;Do not stop on errors.&quot; So I<br>
+&gt; guess it should be treated separatelly from yours (even thought I would<br>
+&gt; like to see both of them implemented).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; Alejandro.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Macxi &lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com" target="_blank">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Em qui 24 mai 2012, às 09:52:15, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati escreveu:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; On Thursday 24 May 2012 08:09 my mailbox was graced by a message from<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Alejandro López who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Well, this is my proposition. What do you people think about it?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Sounds both logical and reasonable.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; No doubt reasons will be found not to do it  ;-3)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Ron.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Alejandro and Ron,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Yesterday I opened a topic in Mageia Forum (en) about it, to discuss this<br>
+&gt; &gt; improvement:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Distribution Upgrade Mageia 1 to Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And now, I opened a bug report:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Bug 6068 - The texts of the dialog windows of Mageia Upgrade are not<br>
+&gt; &gt; clear enough<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I still have no suggestions about it.<br>
+&gt; &gt; But as Alejandro, I also am concerned about this option, it seems, for a<br>
+&gt; &gt; beginner, the best option, but I think technically more complicated and<br>
+&gt; &gt; danger<br>
+&gt; &gt; of breaking the system.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt; &gt; Macxi<br>
+<br>
+</div></div><span><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Morgan Leijström<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The boot is during a few minutes because it stalls for a while in the<br>
+&quot;Started /home&quot;<br>
+How can i skip/disable this step ?<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7646/startedhome.jpg" target="_blank">http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7646/startedhome.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>I faced a similar problem yestenday when I switched from &quot;nouveau&quot; to the nvidia 
+propietary driver. So I&#39;m now using noveau again until I have time to 
+investigate what happened.<br>
+<br>
+In my case, it would hang at a different point on each boot.<br>
+<br>
+HTH,<br>
+Alejandro.<br>
+ 
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Thanks<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 6:58 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The boot is during a few minutes because it stalls for a while in the<br>
+&quot;Started /home&quot;<br>
+How can i skip/disable this step ?<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7646/startedhome.jpg" target="_blank">http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7646/startedhome.jpg</a><br>
+<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>I faced a similar problem yestenday when I switched from &quot;nouveau&quot; to the nvidia 
+propietary driver. So I&#39;m now using noveau again until I have time to 
+investigate what happened.<br>
+<br>
+In my case, it would hang at a different point on each boot.<br>
+<br>
+HTH,<br>
+Alejandro.<br>
+ 
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Thanks<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<p>I migrated to kmail2 and i cannot send messages. I have the error message: &quot;Unknown collection&quot;</p>
+<p>I use gmail with imap</p>
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+<p>I migrated to kmail2 and i cannot send messages. I have the error message: &quot;Unknown collection&quot;</p>
+<p>I use gmail with imap</p>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>Question, does flip switch work, if not did you see the nvidia logo, if not check your xorg.conf and make sure the driver is nvidia and not nv<div><br></div><div>Regards peter<br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:100%">Sent from Samsung tablet</span> </div><br><br><br>Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br><br>2012/5/24, Richard &lt;richardwest@leiston.info&gt;:<br>&gt; On Thursday, May 24, 2012 09:04:41 PM Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Le 24 mai 2012 20:49, "John Balcaen" &lt;mikala@mageia.org&gt; a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Le 24 mai 2012 01:11, "Dimitrios Glentadakis" &lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt; a écrit<br>&gt;&gt; :<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the<br>&gt; screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the<br>&gt; windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are<br>&gt; written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always<br>&gt; present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Any idea ?<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; It seems to be a krandr configuration problem.<br>&gt;&gt; Could you check your ~/.kde4/share/config/krandrrc file?<br>&gt; Now i can log to kde normaly.<br>&gt; I installed the nvidia drivers from nonfree or tainted repo and after 1 - 2<br>&gt;<br>&gt; reboot it is fixed.<br>&gt; Now, i have another problem. I have enabled the effects in kwin but i have a<br>&gt;<br>&gt; message with a list of effect plugins that cannot be enabled. So i dont have<br>&gt;<br>&gt; any effect.<br>&gt; Another problem is with kmail. I have a message in first launch of kmail to<br>&gt;<br>&gt; migrate to kmail2. I choosed ok and the wizard crashed with a message that<br>&gt; if<br>&gt; i want to migrate later manually i have to launch kmail-migrator --<br>&gt; interactive. But when i launch it i have the message:<br>&gt; kmail-migrator(3971) main: Migration of kmailrc has alreadyrun,not running<br>&gt; it<br>&gt; again<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Try deleting .kde4/share/config/kmail-migratorrc and try again. Worked for<br>&gt; me.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Richard.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; http://www.leiston.info<br>&gt;<br><br><br>Yes, this worked fine<br>Thanks!<br><br>-- <br>Dimitrios Glentadakis<br><br> </body>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>Question, does flip switch work, if not did you see the nvidia logo, if not check your xorg.conf and make sure the driver is nvidia and not nv<div><br></div><div>Regards peter<br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:100%">Sent from Samsung tablet</span> </div><br><br><br>Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<br><br><br>2012/5/24, Richard &lt;richardwest@leiston.info&gt;:<br>&gt; On Thursday, May 24, 2012 09:04:41 PM Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Le 24 mai 2012 20:49, "John Balcaen" &lt;mikala@mageia.org&gt; a écrit :<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Le 24 mai 2012 01:11, "Dimitrios Glentadakis" &lt;dglent@gmail.com&gt; a écrit<br>&gt;&gt; :<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; I upgraded to Mageia 2 from Mageia 1. After reboot, in KDE i have the<br>&gt; screen upside down. The windows title is correct but the content of the<br>&gt; windows that belong to the bottom area are in the top, and the words are<br>&gt; written from right to left. I rebooted again but the problem is always<br>&gt; present. My system is unusable now. I have nvidia card.<br>&gt;&gt; &gt; Any idea ?<br>&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>&gt;&gt; It seems to be a krandr configuration problem.<br>&gt;&gt; Could you check your ~/.kde4/share/config/krandrrc file?<br>&gt; Now i can log to kde normaly.<br>&gt; I installed the nvidia drivers from nonfree or tainted repo and after 1 - 2<br>&gt;<br>&gt; reboot it is fixed.<br>&gt; Now, i have another problem. I have enabled the effects in kwin but i have a<br>&gt;<br>&gt; message with a list of effect plugins that cannot be enabled. So i dont have<br>&gt;<br>&gt; any effect.<br>&gt; Another problem is with kmail. I have a message in first launch of kmail to<br>&gt;<br>&gt; migrate to kmail2. I choosed ok and the wizard crashed with a message that<br>&gt; if<br>&gt; i want to migrate later manually i have to launch kmail-migrator --<br>&gt; interactive. But when i launch it i have the message:<br>&gt; kmail-migrator(3971) main: Migration of kmailrc has alreadyrun,not running<br>&gt; it<br>&gt; again<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Try deleting .kde4/share/config/kmail-migratorrc and try again. Worked for<br>&gt; me.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; --<br>&gt; Richard.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; http://www.leiston.info<br>&gt;<br><br><br>Yes, this worked fine<br>Thanks!<br><br>-- <br>Dimitrios Glentadakis<br><br> </body>
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+
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><span lang="EN-US" style>I created a phrase (slogan to the
+Mageia) in the Facebok of the Mageia that symbolizes the spirit of the Mageia.
+It would be a type of a �marketing� of �the distro like a saying.
+Generally, companies have saying or mottos like this: <b><i>�satisfaction
+guaranteed or money back�.</i></b> It�s a phrase that it�s the company meaning
+in few words.The Merrian Webster� dictionary tranlates the motto as the
+following meaning: a sentence, phrase, or word inscribed on something as
+appropriate to or indicative of its character or use. The phrase, motto or
+saying to the Mageia is the following:</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style>�Mageia is the present and the
+future.�</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style> The
+users at the facebook liked this motto (slogan). It means Mageia is the present
+because of its quality and stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of
+distrowatch (at 7<sup>th</sup>. Position now). The other distros at start of
+mageia didn�t believe it.They desdained Mageia. The future because Mageia is a
+community, an organization and It came to stay with us and offer the best in
+the future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be included for the Mageia 3
+besides the logo as a signal.It�s just a suggestion. I hope you get me.You can
+view more opinios at the Mageias forums there <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476</a></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><span lang="EN-US" style>It�s a simple phrase that it means
+the spirit of Mageia freedom.</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><span lang="EN-US" style>Cheers.</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><span lang="EN-US" style>Otto S�</span></p><br>
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+
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><span lang="EN-US" style>I created a phrase (slogan to the
+Mageia) in the Facebok of the Mageia that symbolizes the spirit of the Mageia.
+It would be a type of a �marketing� of �the distro like a saying.
+Generally, companies have saying or mottos like this: <b><i>�satisfaction
+guaranteed or money back�.</i></b> It�s a phrase that it�s the company meaning
+in few words.The Merrian Webster� dictionary tranlates the motto as the
+following meaning: a sentence, phrase, or word inscribed on something as
+appropriate to or indicative of its character or use. The phrase, motto or
+saying to the Mageia is the following:</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style>�Mageia is the present and the
+future.�</span></i></b><span lang="EN-US" style> The
+users at the facebook liked this motto (slogan). It means Mageia is the present
+because of its quality and stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of
+distrowatch (at 7<sup>th</sup>. Position now). The other distros at start of
+mageia didn�t believe it.They desdained Mageia. The future because Mageia is a
+community, an organization and It came to stay with us and offer the best in
+the future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be included for the Mageia 3
+besides the logo as a signal.It�s just a suggestion. I hope you get me.You can
+view more opinios at the Mageias forums there <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476</a></span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><span lang="EN-US" style>It�s a simple phrase that it means
+the spirit of Mageia freedom.</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><span lang="EN-US" style>Cheers.</span></p>
+
+<p class="MsoNormal" style><span lang="EN-US" style>Otto S�</span></p><br>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>Im also agreeing on the theme, dont like oxygen at all, but found installing the kde-oroa rpm (cant remember exact spelling) i was then able to select the familia M* theme in kde control pannel.<div><br></div><div>Regards peter (wintpe on forum)<br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:100%">Sent from Samsung tablet</span> </div><br><br><br>AL13N &lt;alien@rmail.be&gt; wrote:<br><br><br>&gt; On Thu, 24 May 2012 16:14:27 -0400<br>&gt; Marc ParÃ© &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt; wrote:<br>[...]<br>&gt; I agree with all Marc's comments, but perhaps he and I aren't typical<br>&gt; (I am almost 70.)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; The choice of Window Decorations:&nbsp; I don't like the Oxygen theme<br>&gt; either, but it is the KDE standard.&nbsp; Plastik is one of my favorites as<br>&gt; well.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; The Cursor theme: Once again, this is standard.&nbsp; I have changed to the<br>&gt; blue version of Marc's White Glass.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Nepomuk:&nbsp; I am using XFCE.&nbsp; I hate KDE's attempts to cover the screen<br>&gt; with information popups.&nbsp; I set aside .75 of a Gig for a Home Directory<br>&gt; in my test setup, running KDE. 630 MB of it is used up in hidden<br>&gt; directories, with 149 MB in Akonadi.&nbsp; Long gone are the days when a<br>&gt; whole distro would fit in 2 GB. When I do switch to KDE,<br>&gt; indexing makes startup take about as long as in Windows. That should<br>&gt; make the team at KDE happy!<br><br>Actually I too am of the same-ish opinion:<br><br>A. I don't like oxygen theme as well<br>B. Cursor theme blends too well indeed<br>C. Nepomuk, i often do stuff, and /home becomes huge, i don't really<br>need/want indexing. i wouldn't know what benefits it could have...<br><br>usually, i know where something is, and in the rare event that i lost<br>something, it could very well be on other PCs, so a find will do at that<br>time.<br><br>unless it also indexes the email and makes email searches faster, i won't<br>need it.<br><br> </body>
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+<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body>Im also agreeing on the theme, dont like oxygen at all, but found installing the kde-oroa rpm (cant remember exact spelling) i was then able to select the familia M* theme in kde control pannel.<div><br></div><div>Regards peter (wintpe on forum)<br><br><br><br><br><span style="font-size:100%">Sent from Samsung tablet</span> </div><br><br><br>AL13N &lt;alien@rmail.be&gt; wrote:<br><br><br>&gt; On Thu, 24 May 2012 16:14:27 -0400<br>&gt; Marc ParÃ© &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt; wrote:<br>[...]<br>&gt; I agree with all Marc's comments, but perhaps he and I aren't typical<br>&gt; (I am almost 70.)<br>&gt;<br>&gt; The choice of Window Decorations:&nbsp; I don't like the Oxygen theme<br>&gt; either, but it is the KDE standard.&nbsp; Plastik is one of my favorites as<br>&gt; well.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; The Cursor theme: Once again, this is standard.&nbsp; I have changed to the<br>&gt; blue version of Marc's White Glass.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Nepomuk:&nbsp; I am using XFCE.&nbsp; I hate KDE's attempts to cover the screen<br>&gt; with information popups.&nbsp; I set aside .75 of a Gig for a Home Directory<br>&gt; in my test setup, running KDE. 630 MB of it is used up in hidden<br>&gt; directories, with 149 MB in Akonadi.&nbsp; Long gone are the days when a<br>&gt; whole distro would fit in 2 GB. When I do switch to KDE,<br>&gt; indexing makes startup take about as long as in Windows. That should<br>&gt; make the team at KDE happy!<br><br>Actually I too am of the same-ish opinion:<br><br>A. I don't like oxygen theme as well<br>B. Cursor theme blends too well indeed<br>C. Nepomuk, i often do stuff, and /home becomes huge, i don't really<br>need/want indexing. i wouldn't know what benefits it could have...<br><br>usually, i know where something is, and in the rare event that i lost<br>something, it could very well be on other PCs, so a find will do at that<br>time.<br><br>unless it also indexes the email and makes email searches faster, i won't<br>need it.<br><br> </body>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Morgan Leijström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu" target="_blank">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please post a enhancment request at <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/</a><br>
+And try to propose different wording and that third alternative.<br></blockquote><div><br>Done.<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6086">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6086</a><br><br>Alejandro.<br>
+<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+/Morgan<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+torsdagen den 24 maj <a href="tel:2012%2016.31.55" value="+12012163155">2012 16.31.55</a> skrev  Alejandro López:<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">&gt; Macxi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I understood the &quot;Do not ask me next time&quot; meant that the next upgrade, the<br>
+&gt; upgrade to Mageia 3, would happen automatically, without asking me. That&#39;s<br>
+&gt; why I didn&#39;t check it. Now you tell me it means &quot;Do not upgrade to Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; and stop asking me to do so.&quot; Waw! This message really needs to be clearer.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Nevertheless, my proposition was not related to these two options but about<br>
+&gt; adding a third one saying something like &quot;Do not stop on errors.&quot; So I<br>
+&gt; guess it should be treated separatelly from yours (even thought I would<br>
+&gt; like to see both of them implemented).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; Alejandro.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Macxi &lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Em qui 24 mai 2012, às 09:52:15, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati escreveu:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; On Thursday 24 May 2012 08:09 my mailbox was graced by a message from<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Alejandro López who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Well, this is my proposition. What do you people think about it?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Sounds both logical and reasonable.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; No doubt reasons will be found not to do it  ;-3)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Ron.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Alejandro and Ron,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Yesterday I opened a topic in Mageia Forum (en) about it, to discuss this<br>
+&gt; &gt; improvement:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Distribution Upgrade Mageia 1 to Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And now, I opened a bug report:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Bug 6068 - The texts of the dialog windows of Mageia Upgrade are not<br>
+&gt; &gt; clear enough<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I still have no suggestions about it.<br>
+&gt; &gt; But as Alejandro, I also am concerned about this option, it seems, for a<br>
+&gt; &gt; beginner, the best option, but I think technically more complicated and<br>
+&gt; &gt; danger<br>
+&gt; &gt; of breaking the system.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt; &gt; Macxi<br>
+<br>
+</div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Morgan Leijström<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Morgan Leijström <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu" target="_blank">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Please post a enhancment request at <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/</a><br>
+And try to propose different wording and that third alternative.<br></blockquote><div><br>Done.<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6086">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6086</a><br><br>Alejandro.<br>
+<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+/Morgan<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+torsdagen den 24 maj <a href="tel:2012%2016.31.55" value="+12012163155">2012 16.31.55</a> skrev  Alejandro López:<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">&gt; Macxi,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I understood the &quot;Do not ask me next time&quot; meant that the next upgrade, the<br>
+&gt; upgrade to Mageia 3, would happen automatically, without asking me. That&#39;s<br>
+&gt; why I didn&#39;t check it. Now you tell me it means &quot;Do not upgrade to Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; and stop asking me to do so.&quot; Waw! This message really needs to be clearer.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Nevertheless, my proposition was not related to these two options but about<br>
+&gt; adding a third one saying something like &quot;Do not stop on errors.&quot; So I<br>
+&gt; guess it should be treated separatelly from yours (even thought I would<br>
+&gt; like to see both of them implemented).<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; Alejandro.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Macxi &lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Em qui 24 mai 2012, às 09:52:15, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati escreveu:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; On Thursday 24 May 2012 08:09 my mailbox was graced by a message from<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Alejandro López who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Well, this is my proposition. What do you people think about it?<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Sounds both logical and reasonable.<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; No doubt reasons will be found not to do it  ;-3)<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; Ron.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Alejandro and Ron,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Yesterday I opened a topic in Mageia Forum (en) about it, to discuss this<br>
+&gt; &gt; improvement:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Distribution Upgrade Mageia 1 to Mageia 2<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=29&amp;t=2506</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; And now, I opened a bug report:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Bug 6068 - The texts of the dialog windows of Mageia Upgrade are not<br>
+&gt; &gt; clear enough<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6068</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I still have no suggestions about it.<br>
+&gt; &gt; But as Alejandro, I also am concerned about this option, it seems, for a<br>
+&gt; &gt; beginner, the best option, but I think technically more complicated and<br>
+&gt; &gt; danger<br>
+&gt; &gt; of breaking the system.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Cheers<br>
+&gt; &gt; Macxi<br>
+<br>
+</div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+Morgan Leijström<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/25 Doug Laidlaw <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:laidlaws@hotkey.net.au" target="_blank">laidlaws@hotkey.net.au</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Fri, 25 May 2012 04:17:42 -0400<br>
+Marc Paré &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi Dimitrios,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 2012-05-25 00:58, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; The boot is during a few minutes because it stalls for a while in<br>
+&gt; &gt; the &quot;Started /home&quot;<br>
+&gt; &gt; How can i skip/disable this step ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7646/startedhome.jpg" target="_blank">http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7646/startedhome.jpg</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Wouldn&#39;t you be more concerned as to why it is taking so long to boot?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Does it do this at each and every boot?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Marc<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div>Marc is right.  I don&#39;t see how you can run your computer without<br>
+starting /home.  Have a look at the output of dmesg or<br>
+&quot;tail /var/log/rsyslog&quot;.  The last requires root privileges.  Although<br>
+you don&#39;t have a system yet, you can view these from a terminal using<br>
+&lt;Ctrl&gt; + &lt;ALT&gt; + one of the F keys.  I think that one between F1 and F3<br>
+will give you the kernel message without resorting to dmesg.<br>
+<br>
+HTH,<br>
+<br>
+Doug.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div>It hangs on every boot until now at the same point.</div><div>In dmesg and <span class="Apple-style-span" style>tail /var/log/rsyslog (syslog right?) i dont have any strange messages, all messages seems regular to me</span></div>
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style><br></span></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/25 Doug Laidlaw <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:laidlaws@hotkey.net.au" target="_blank">laidlaws@hotkey.net.au</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Fri, 25 May 2012 04:17:42 -0400<br>
+Marc Paré &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi Dimitrios,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 2012-05-25 00:58, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :<br>
+&gt; &gt; The boot is during a few minutes because it stalls for a while in<br>
+&gt; &gt; the &quot;Started /home&quot;<br>
+&gt; &gt; How can i skip/disable this step ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7646/startedhome.jpg" target="_blank">http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7646/startedhome.jpg</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Wouldn&#39;t you be more concerned as to why it is taking so long to boot?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Does it do this at each and every boot?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Marc<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div>Marc is right.  I don&#39;t see how you can run your computer without<br>
+starting /home.  Have a look at the output of dmesg or<br>
+&quot;tail /var/log/rsyslog&quot;.  The last requires root privileges.  Although<br>
+you don&#39;t have a system yet, you can view these from a terminal using<br>
+&lt;Ctrl&gt; + &lt;ALT&gt; + one of the F keys.  I think that one between F1 and F3<br>
+will give you the kernel message without resorting to dmesg.<br>
+<br>
+HTH,<br>
+<br>
+Doug.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div>It hangs on every boot until now at the same point.</div><div>In dmesg and <span class="Apple-style-span" style>tail /var/log/rsyslog (syslog right?) i dont have any strange messages, all messages seems regular to me</span></div>
+<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style><br></span></div>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p>Le 25 mai 2012 09:30, &quot;peter.winterflood&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:peter.winterflood@ossi.co.uk">peter.winterflood@ossi.co.uk</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Question, does flip switch work, if not did you see the nvidia logo, if not check your xorg.conf and make sure the driver is nvidia and not nv<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards peter<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sent from Samsung tablet<br>
+&gt;<br>
+The flip would nt work, because as you can see in the screenshot some elements as the window titles, the mouse pointer, the taskbar, are not &quot;rotated&quot;<br>
+The driver in the xorg was nvidia, but it did nt have the &quot;real&quot; nvidia driver installed but a package with a name &quot;custom&quot; inside .</p>
+<p>I had to install nvidia from tainted to solve this</p>
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+<p>Le 25 mai 2012 09:30, &quot;peter.winterflood&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:peter.winterflood@ossi.co.uk">peter.winterflood@ossi.co.uk</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Question, does flip switch work, if not did you see the nvidia logo, if not check your xorg.conf and make sure the driver is nvidia and not nv<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards peter<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sent from Samsung tablet<br>
+&gt;<br>
+The flip would nt work, because as you can see in the screenshot some elements as the window titles, the mouse pointer, the taskbar, are not &quot;rotated&quot;<br>
+The driver in the xorg was nvidia, but it did nt have the &quot;real&quot; nvidia driver installed but a package with a name &quot;custom&quot; inside .</p>
+<p>I had to install nvidia from tainted to solve this</p>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Otto, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Very good your initiative to discuss the creation of a slogan for the Mageia. I think it is necessary to discuss it. Congratulations for your idea.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Macxi </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em sáb 26 mai 2012, às 12:05:57, Otto escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Dear Marcello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks to the prompt reply. I have already sent to the Mageia Market and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the Mageia forums and Patricia Frasier recommended to subscribe to the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mageia-discuss mailing list. She wrote this post at the Mageia forums:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; *Quotation:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &quot;Otto, you need to take this slogan out to the rest of the community, and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; see what they think - here on the forums, and on the irc channels (#mageia)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and on the mageia-discuss mailing list. When you have gathered responses</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; from all these places, we'll have an idea what the whole community feels</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; about it and whether we can use it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's not a bug - it's a feature you're asking for, so everyone has to be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; happy with it!&quot;.*</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Now It's missing to write to the iRC Channels. What else Do you recommend</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; me?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Otto .</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2012/5/26 Marcello &lt;marcello.anni@alice.it&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Il 25/05/2012 18:17, Otto ha scritto:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; I created a phrase (slogan to the Mageia) in the Facebok of the Mageia</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; that symbolizes the spirit of the Mageia. It would be a type of a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; “marketing” of  the distro like a saying. Generally, companies have</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; saying or mottos like this: */“satisfaction guaranteed or money back”./*</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; It’s a phrase that it’s the company meaning in few words.The Merrian</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Webster’ dictionary tranlates the motto as the following meaning: a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; sentence, phrase, or word inscribed on something as appropriate to or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; indicative of its character or use. The phrase, motto or saying to the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia is the following:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; */“Mageia is the present and the future.”/*The users at the facebook</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; liked this motto (slogan). It means Mageia is the present because of its</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; quality and stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of distrowatch</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; (at 7^th . Position now). The other distros at start of mageia didn’t</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; believe it.They desdained Mageia. The future because Mageia is a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; community, an organization and It came to stay with us and offer the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; best in the future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be included for the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia 3 besides the logo as a signal.It’s just a suggestion. I hope you</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; get me.You can view more opinios at the Mageias forums there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; https://forums.mageia.org/en/**viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476&lt;https://forums.m</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; ageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;https://forums.mageia.org/en/**viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476&lt;https://forums</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; .mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; It’s a simple phrase that it means the spirit of Mageia freedom.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Cheers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Otto Sá</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; you should subscribe to the mageia-marketing team and make your proposals</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; there... You'll find all the people interested in marketing that will</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; take into account your ideas...</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Otto, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Very good your initiative to discuss the creation of a slogan for the Mageia. I think it is necessary to discuss it. Congratulations for your idea.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Macxi </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em sáb 26 mai 2012, às 12:05:57, Otto escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Dear Marcello,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks to the prompt reply. I have already sent to the Mageia Market and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; the Mageia forums and Patricia Frasier recommended to subscribe to the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mageia-discuss mailing list. She wrote this post at the Mageia forums:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; *Quotation:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &quot;Otto, you need to take this slogan out to the rest of the community, and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; see what they think - here on the forums, and on the irc channels (#mageia)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and on the mageia-discuss mailing list. When you have gathered responses</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; from all these places, we'll have an idea what the whole community feels</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; about it and whether we can use it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's not a bug - it's a feature you're asking for, so everyone has to be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; happy with it!&quot;.*</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Now It's missing to write to the iRC Channels. What else Do you recommend</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; me?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Otto .</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 2012/5/26 Marcello &lt;marcello.anni@alice.it&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Il 25/05/2012 18:17, Otto ha scritto:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; I created a phrase (slogan to the Mageia) in the Facebok of the Mageia</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; that symbolizes the spirit of the Mageia. It would be a type of a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; “marketing” of  the distro like a saying. Generally, companies have</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; saying or mottos like this: */“satisfaction guaranteed or money back”./*</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; It’s a phrase that it’s the company meaning in few words.The Merrian</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Webster’ dictionary tranlates the motto as the following meaning: a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; sentence, phrase, or word inscribed on something as appropriate to or</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; indicative of its character or use. The phrase, motto or saying to the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia is the following:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; */“Mageia is the present and the future.”/*The users at the facebook</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; liked this motto (slogan). It means Mageia is the present because of its</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; quality and stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of distrowatch</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; (at 7^th . Position now). The other distros at start of mageia didn’t</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; believe it.They desdained Mageia. The future because Mageia is a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; community, an organization and It came to stay with us and offer the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; best in the future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be included for the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia 3 besides the logo as a signal.It’s just a suggestion. I hope you</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; get me.You can view more opinios at the Mageias forums there</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; https://forums.mageia.org/en/**viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476&lt;https://forums.m</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; ageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; &lt;https://forums.mageia.org/en/**viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476&lt;https://forums</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; .mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; It’s a simple phrase that it means the spirit of Mageia freedom.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Cheers.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; Otto Sá</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; you should subscribe to the mageia-marketing team and make your proposals</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; there... You'll find all the people interested in marketing that will</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; take into account your ideas...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; cheers,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Marcello</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p></body></html>
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+Dear Marcello,<br>Thanks to the prompt reply. I have already sent to the Mageia Market and the Mageia forums and Patricia Frasier recommended to subscribe to the mageia-discuss mailing list. She wrote this post at the Mageia forums:<br>
+<i><b>Quotation:<br>&quot;Otto, you need to take this slogan out to the rest of the community, and
+ see what they think - here on the forums, and on the irc channels 
+(#mageia) and on the mageia-discuss mailing list. When you have gathered
+ responses from all these places, we&#39;ll have an idea what the whole 
+community feels about it and whether we can use it.<br>It&#39;s not a bug - it&#39;s a feature you&#39;re asking for, so everyone has to be happy with it!&quot;.</b></i><br>Now It&#39;s missing to write to the iRC Channels. What else Do you recommend me?<br>
+Cheers.<br>Otto .<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/26 Marcello <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marcello.anni@alice.it" target="_blank">marcello.anni@alice.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Il 25/05/2012 18:17, Otto ha scritto:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+I created a phrase (slogan to the Mageia) in the Facebok of the Mageia<br>
+that symbolizes the spirit of the Mageia. It would be a type of a<br>
+�marketing� of �the distro like a saying. Generally, companies have<br></div>
+saying or mottos like this: */�satisfaction guaranteed or money back�./*<div class="im"><br>
+It�s a phrase that it�s the company meaning in few words.The Merrian<br>
+Webster� dictionary tranlates the motto as the following meaning: a<br>
+sentence, phrase, or word inscribed on something as appropriate to or<br>
+indicative of its character or use. The phrase, motto or saying to the<br>
+Mageia is the following:<br>
+<br></div>
+*/�Mageia is the present and the future.�/*The users at the facebook<div class="im"><br>
+liked this motto (slogan). It means Mageia is the present because of its<br>
+quality and stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of distrowatch<br></div>
+(at 7^th . Position now). The other distros at start of mageia didn�t<div class="im"><br>
+believe it.They desdained Mageia. The future because Mageia is a<br>
+community, an organization and It came to stay with us and offer the<br>
+best in the future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be included for the<br>
+Mageia 3 besides the logo as a signal.It�s just a suggestion. I hope you<br>
+get me.You can view more opinios at the Mageias forums there<br>
+<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/<u></u>viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476</a><br>
+&lt;<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/<u></u>viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476</a>&gt;<br>
+<br>
+It�s a simple phrase that it means the spirit of Mageia freedom.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers.<br>
+<br>
+Otto S�<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+you should subscribe to the mageia-marketing team and make your proposals there... You&#39;ll find all the people interested in marketing that will take into account your ideas...<br>
+<br>
+cheers,<br>
+Marcello<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Dear Marcello,<br>Thanks to the prompt reply. I have already sent to the Mageia Market and the Mageia forums and Patricia Frasier recommended to subscribe to the mageia-discuss mailing list. She wrote this post at the Mageia forums:<br>
+<i><b>Quotation:<br>&quot;Otto, you need to take this slogan out to the rest of the community, and
+ see what they think - here on the forums, and on the irc channels 
+(#mageia) and on the mageia-discuss mailing list. When you have gathered
+ responses from all these places, we&#39;ll have an idea what the whole 
+community feels about it and whether we can use it.<br>It&#39;s not a bug - it&#39;s a feature you&#39;re asking for, so everyone has to be happy with it!&quot;.</b></i><br>Now It&#39;s missing to write to the iRC Channels. What else Do you recommend me?<br>
+Cheers.<br>Otto .<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/26 Marcello <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marcello.anni@alice.it" target="_blank">marcello.anni@alice.it</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Il 25/05/2012 18:17, Otto ha scritto:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+I created a phrase (slogan to the Mageia) in the Facebok of the Mageia<br>
+that symbolizes the spirit of the Mageia. It would be a type of a<br>
+�marketing� of �the distro like a saying. Generally, companies have<br></div>
+saying or mottos like this: */�satisfaction guaranteed or money back�./*<div class="im"><br>
+It�s a phrase that it�s the company meaning in few words.The Merrian<br>
+Webster� dictionary tranlates the motto as the following meaning: a<br>
+sentence, phrase, or word inscribed on something as appropriate to or<br>
+indicative of its character or use. The phrase, motto or saying to the<br>
+Mageia is the following:<br>
+<br></div>
+*/�Mageia is the present and the future.�/*The users at the facebook<div class="im"><br>
+liked this motto (slogan). It means Mageia is the present because of its<br>
+quality and stability for the reason Mageia is at the top of distrowatch<br></div>
+(at 7^th . Position now). The other distros at start of mageia didn�t<div class="im"><br>
+believe it.They desdained Mageia. The future because Mageia is a<br>
+community, an organization and It came to stay with us and offer the<br>
+best in the future.Thus, if you choose it, It could be included for the<br>
+Mageia 3 besides the logo as a signal.It�s just a suggestion. I hope you<br>
+get me.You can view more opinios at the Mageias forums there<br>
+<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/<u></u>viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476</a><br>
+&lt;<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/<u></u>viewtopic.php?f=5&amp;t=2476</a>&gt;<br>
+<br>
+It�s a simple phrase that it means the spirit of Mageia freedom.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers.<br>
+<br>
+Otto S�<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+you should subscribe to the mageia-marketing team and make your proposals there... You&#39;ll find all the people interested in marketing that will take into account your ideas...<br>
+<br>
+cheers,<br>
+Marcello<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Liberation Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 27/05/2012 13:31:25 Marek Laane έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2012/5/27 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt;<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have the package qt4-linguist installed but i cannot find the qt-linguist in the menu. My ts files are not any more associated to the qtlinguist.<br />I found a &quot;linguist&quot; in /usr/lib64/qt4/bin/linguist , i can launch it but i don't have any more my previous settings. Everything is lost (eg last opened files).<br /><span style=" color:#888888;"><br /><br />--<br />Dimitrios Glentadakis<br /></span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It should still be under Development - IDEs (or smth like that, I just made mental back-translation from my language), at least it is there in mine box.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br />No, it is nt there :(</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Liberation Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 27/05/2012 13:31:25 Marek Laane έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2012/5/27 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt;<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I have the package qt4-linguist installed but i cannot find the qt-linguist in the menu. My ts files are not any more associated to the qtlinguist.<br />I found a &quot;linguist&quot; in /usr/lib64/qt4/bin/linguist , i can launch it but i don't have any more my previous settings. Everything is lost (eg last opened files).<br /><span style=" color:#888888;"><br /><br />--<br />Dimitrios Glentadakis<br /></span></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">It should still be under Development - IDEs (or smth like that, I just made mental back-translation from my language), at least it is there in mine box.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br />No, it is nt there :(</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/27 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I have the package qt4-linguist installed but i cannot find the qt-linguist in the menu. My ts files are not any more associated to the qtlinguist.<br>
+I found a &quot;linguist&quot; in /usr/lib64/qt4/bin/linguist , i can launch it but i don&#39;t have any more my previous settings. Everything is lost (eg last opened files).<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>It should still be under Development - IDEs (or smth like that, I just made mental back-translation from my language), at least it is there in mine box.</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/5/27 Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I have the package qt4-linguist installed but i cannot find the qt-linguist in the menu. My ts files are not any more associated to the qtlinguist.<br>
+I found a &quot;linguist&quot; in /usr/lib64/qt4/bin/linguist , i can launch it but i don&#39;t have any more my previous settings. Everything is lost (eg last opened files).<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>It should still be under Development - IDEs (or smth like that, I just made mental back-translation from my language), at least it is there in mine box.</div>
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+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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+      style="font-family: -moz-fixed; font-size: 12px;" lang="x-western">
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
+        <pre wrap="">M2 x86_64 on acer extensa 5620Z laptop, windows on sda1,
+(used the DVD successfully on 3 desktops, install OK there)
+
+Problem: routine install, reboot drops out to emergency mode.  Nothing
+in syslog which didn't exist, and wasn't written to on another reboot
+after I manually created it.
+
+'esc' during reboot shows normal startup messages including 'Started
+/dev/disk/by-uuid...'
+then
+Failed to start /media/windows
+See 'systemctl status media-windows.mount' for details.
+Dependency failed. Aborted start of Mark the need to relabel after reboot
+Dependency failed. Aborted start of Setup links in /boot for running
+kernel
+Dependency failed. Aborted start of Relabel all filesystems, if necessary
+Welcome to emergency mode....  Give root pwd. for maint...
+
+A bunch of messages I've never seen before.  At one point there was a
+message about losing touch with the boot process, forgotton the exact
+wording.  Not seen that since.
+
+I would do this the day before an overseas trip!  Just as well preserved
+a couple of functional partitions.
+
+
+The suggested systemctl call above, showed
+process: 432 ExecMount=/bin/mount /media/windows (code=exited, status=21)
+mount[432]: fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first
+
+modprobe fuse: gave no output
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">modprobe fuse never gives output, but check in dmesg if you see anything
+fuse related after that. or check with lsmod | grep fuse if it's loaded.
+
+as a quick fix, you can comment /media/windows in /etc/fstab
+(perhaps adding noauto as parameter)
+
+or find a way to load fuse at startup, but i heard that
+/etc/modprobe.preload isn't used for that anymore with the new modprobe
+tools.
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
+        <pre wrap="">Ideas would be more than appreciated!
+
+Tonyb
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">Commented out the fstab line for windows.
+Gets me to a login screen of sorts, but touch-pad mouse and keyboard are inoperative and can't Ctrl-Alt-Fx to change screens.
+Think its frozen the laptop.
+Ah well, something to investigate on a plane while battery lasts.
+
+Not a good laptop experience so far, although uneventful on desktops.
+tonyb
+
+</pre>
+    </div>
+  </body>
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+        <pre wrap="">M2 x86_64 on acer extensa 5620Z laptop, windows on sda1,
+(used the DVD successfully on 3 desktops, install OK there)
+
+Problem: routine install, reboot drops out to emergency mode.  Nothing
+in syslog which didn't exist, and wasn't written to on another reboot
+after I manually created it.
+
+'esc' during reboot shows normal startup messages including 'Started
+/dev/disk/by-uuid...'
+then
+Failed to start /media/windows
+See 'systemctl status media-windows.mount' for details.
+Dependency failed. Aborted start of Mark the need to relabel after reboot
+Dependency failed. Aborted start of Setup links in /boot for running
+kernel
+Dependency failed. Aborted start of Relabel all filesystems, if necessary
+Welcome to emergency mode....  Give root pwd. for maint...
+
+A bunch of messages I've never seen before.  At one point there was a
+message about losing touch with the boot process, forgotton the exact
+wording.  Not seen that since.
+
+I would do this the day before an overseas trip!  Just as well preserved
+a couple of functional partitions.
+
+
+The suggested systemctl call above, showed
+process: 432 ExecMount=/bin/mount /media/windows (code=exited, status=21)
+mount[432]: fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first
+
+modprobe fuse: gave no output
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">modprobe fuse never gives output, but check in dmesg if you see anything
+fuse related after that. or check with lsmod | grep fuse if it's loaded.
+
+as a quick fix, you can comment /media/windows in /etc/fstab
+(perhaps adding noauto as parameter)
+
+or find a way to load fuse at startup, but i heard that
+/etc/modprobe.preload isn't used for that anymore with the new modprobe
+tools.
+
+</pre>
+      <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
+        <pre wrap="">Ideas would be more than appreciated!
+
+Tonyb
+
+</pre>
+      </blockquote>
+      <pre wrap="">Commented out the fstab line for windows.
+Gets me to a login screen of sorts, but touch-pad mouse and keyboard are inoperative and can't Ctrl-Alt-Fx to change screens.
+Think its frozen the laptop.
+Ah well, something to investigate on a plane while battery lasts.
+
+Not a good laptop experience so far, although uneventful on desktops.
+tonyb
+
+</pre>
+    </div>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p>Could you give us the list of installed packages so we can narrow what trigger the kde installation but also how you did the upgrade?<br>
+It seems strange that you did not notice kde packages during the urpmi transaction if you did the upgrade from command line if you used this way.</p>
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+<p>Could you give us the list of installed packages so we can narrow what trigger the kde installation but also how you did the upgrade?<br>
+It seems strange that you did not notice kde packages during the urpmi transaction if you did the upgrade from command line if you used this way.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 31/05/2012 11:25:48 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I opened the bug for thunderbird as nothing proves our problems are related (as I initially thought). https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6184</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br /><br />And me reported it here: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6269<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 31/05/2012 11:25:48 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I opened the bug for thunderbird as nothing proves our problems are related (as I initially thought). https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6184</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br /><br />And me reported it here: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6269<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:57:27 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:88px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br>aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br>aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br>aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br>
+<br>but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br><br>As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br>
+I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br><br>I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br>I didn&#39;t have time yet to check how Mageia handles this. Mandriva used to have separate packages for each language. So, if Mageia kept the languages separate by packages, all you need to do is remove the packages for the unwanted languages.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>I dont think so as the only packages that i have installed are the three above<br></p></div></blockquote>
+<div><br>It&#39;s strange. I just checked and I only have these packages installed:<br><br>thunderbird-fr-10.0.4-2.mga2<br>thunderbird-en_GB-10.0.4-2.mga2<br>thunderbird-10.0.4-1.mga2<br>thunderbird-enigmail-10.0.4-1.mga2<br>
+thunderbird-es_AR-10.0.4-2.mga2<br><br>(I manually installed the first two)<br><br>In  /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/{3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}/ I have the three langpacks. However, when writing an email if I try to choose the spellchecker, I have these three languages but each of them with all their dialects (es-AR, es-BO, es-ES, es-MX, etc; fr-FR, fr-LU, etc; en-US, en-GB, en AG, etc)<br>
+<br>In the languages section in the extensions tab I only have the three languages/dialects I have installed.<br><br>I guess I will have to open a bug on this.<br><br><br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:57:27 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:88px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br>aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br>aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br>aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br>
+<br>but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br><br>As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br>
+I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br><br>I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br>I didn&#39;t have time yet to check how Mageia handles this. Mandriva used to have separate packages for each language. So, if Mageia kept the languages separate by packages, all you need to do is remove the packages for the unwanted languages.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>I dont think so as the only packages that i have installed are the three above<br></p></div></blockquote>
+<div><br>It&#39;s strange. I just checked and I only have these packages installed:<br><br>thunderbird-fr-10.0.4-2.mga2<br>thunderbird-en_GB-10.0.4-2.mga2<br>thunderbird-10.0.4-1.mga2<br>thunderbird-enigmail-10.0.4-1.mga2<br>
+thunderbird-es_AR-10.0.4-2.mga2<br><br>(I manually installed the first two)<br><br>In  /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/{3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}/ I have the three langpacks. However, when writing an email if I try to choose the spellchecker, I have these three languages but each of them with all their dialects (es-AR, es-BO, es-ES, es-MX, etc; fr-FR, fr-LU, etc; en-US, en-GB, en AG, etc)<br>
+<br>In the languages section in the extensions tab I only have the three languages/dialects I have installed.<br><br>I guess I will have to open a bug on this.<br><br><br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Alejandro López <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:57:27 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p><div><div>
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:88px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br>aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br>aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br>aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br>
+
+<br>but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br><br>As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br>
+
+I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br><br>I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br>I didn&#39;t have time yet to check how Mageia handles this. Mandriva used to have separate packages for each language. So, if Mageia kept the languages separate by packages, all you need to do is remove the packages for the unwanted languages.<br>
+
+<br>Alejandro.<br> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>I dont think so as the only packages that i have installed are the three above<br></p></div></blockquote>
+
+</div></div><div><br>It&#39;s strange. I just checked and I only have these packages installed:<br><br>thunderbird-fr-10.0.4-2.mga2<br>thunderbird-en_GB-10.0.4-2.mga2<br>thunderbird-10.0.4-1.mga2<br>thunderbird-enigmail-10.0.4-1.mga2<br>
+
+thunderbird-es_AR-10.0.4-2.mga2<br><br>(I manually installed the first two)<br><br>In  /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/{3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}/ I have the three langpacks. However, when writing an email if I try to choose the spellchecker, I have these three languages but each of them with all their dialects (es-AR, es-BO, es-ES, es-MX, etc; fr-FR, fr-LU, etc; en-US, en-GB, en AG, etc)<br>
+
+<br>In the languages section in the extensions tab I only have the three languages/dialects I have installed.<br><br>I guess I will have to open a bug on this.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I opened the bug for thunderbird as nothing proves our problems are related (as I initially thought).<br>
+<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6184">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6184</a><br><br>Alejandro.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div><br><br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></font></span></div></blockquote></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Alejandro López <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:57:27 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p><div><div>
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:88px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br>aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br>aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br>aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br>
+
+<br>but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br><br>As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br>
+
+I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br><br>I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:84px;margin-right:80px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br>I didn&#39;t have time yet to check how Mageia handles this. Mandriva used to have separate packages for each language. So, if Mageia kept the languages separate by packages, all you need to do is remove the packages for the unwanted languages.<br>
+
+<br>Alejandro.<br> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>I dont think so as the only packages that i have installed are the three above<br></p></div></blockquote>
+
+</div></div><div><br>It&#39;s strange. I just checked and I only have these packages installed:<br><br>thunderbird-fr-10.0.4-2.mga2<br>thunderbird-en_GB-10.0.4-2.mga2<br>thunderbird-10.0.4-1.mga2<br>thunderbird-enigmail-10.0.4-1.mga2<br>
+
+thunderbird-es_AR-10.0.4-2.mga2<br><br>(I manually installed the first two)<br><br>In  /usr/share/mozilla/extensions/{3550f703-e582-4d05-9a08-453d09bdfdc6}/ I have the three langpacks. However, when writing an email if I try to choose the spellchecker, I have these three languages but each of them with all their dialects (es-AR, es-BO, es-ES, es-MX, etc; fr-FR, fr-LU, etc; en-US, en-GB, en AG, etc)<br>
+
+<br>In the languages section in the extensions tab I only have the three languages/dialects I have installed.<br><br>I guess I will have to open a bug on this.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I opened the bug for thunderbird as nothing proves our problems are related (as I initially thought).<br>
+<br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6184">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6184</a><br><br>Alejandro.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div><br><br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></font></span></div></blockquote></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br>
+aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br>
+aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br>
+aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br>
+<br>
+but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br>
+<br>
+As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br>
+I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br>
+<br>
+I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"></span><br></blockquote><div> </div></div>I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br>
+aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br>
+aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br>
+aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br>
+<br>
+but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br>
+<br>
+As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br>
+I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br>
+<br>
+I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"></span><br></blockquote><div> </div></div>I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br>aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br>aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br>aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br>
+<br>but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br><br>As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br>
+I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br><br>I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br></p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br>I didn&#39;t have time yet to check how Mageia handles this. Mandriva used to have separate packages for each language. So, if Mageia kept the languages separate by packages, all you need to do is remove the packages for the unwanted languages.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br></p><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:12px;margin-bottom:12px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"><br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="text-decoration:underline;color:#0057ae">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:44px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br>aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br>aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br>aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br>
+<br>but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br><br>As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br>
+I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br><br>I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:40px;margin-right:40px;text-indent:0px"> </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br></p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><br><br><br>Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br></p></div></blockquote><div><br>I didn&#39;t have time yet to check how Mageia handles this. Mandriva used to have separate packages for each language. So, if Mageia kept the languages separate by packages, all you need to do is remove the packages for the unwanted languages.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin:0px;text-indent:0px"><br></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br />aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br />aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br />aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br /><br />but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br /><br />As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br />I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br /><br />I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br />Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br />aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br />aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br />aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br /><br />but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br /><br />As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br />I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br /><br />I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br />Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 31/05/2012 08:57:27 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:84px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:84px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:88px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br />aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br />aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br />aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br /><br />but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br /><br />As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br />I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br /><br />I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:84px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br />Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />I didn't have time yet to check how Mageia handles this. Mandriva used to have separate packages for each language. So, if Mageia kept the languages separate by packages, all you need to do is remove the packages for the unwanted languages.<br /><br />Alejandro.<br /> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br />I dont think so as the only packages that i have installed are the three above<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 31/05/2012 08:57:27 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br /></p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 31/05/2012 08:37:34 Alejandro López έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:84px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:84px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">dglent@gmail.com</span></a>&gt; wrote:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:88px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Now in Mageia 2 i have 3 dictionaries installed,<br />aspell-en-7.1.0-2.mga2<br />aspell-el-0.50.3-15.mga2<br />aspell-fr-0.50.3-19.mga2<br /><br />but in the dictionaries list there are 31. 22 variants of English, 6 variants of French, two variants of Greek and Hebrew.<br /><br />As the list is very long it is not comfortable to choose every time between 31 variants.<br />I would like to keep only three of them (English, French, Greek)<br /><br />I did nt have this huge list in Mageia 1.<br /><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:84px; margin-right:80px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I noticed something similar with Thunderbird (GNOME). I guess I will have to manually remove them.<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br />Yes, i cannot find out how to do it !<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />I didn't have time yet to check how Mageia handles this. Mandriva used to have separate packages for each language. So, if Mageia kept the languages separate by packages, all you need to do is remove the packages for the unwanted languages.<br /><br />Alejandro.<br /> </p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:44px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br />I dont think so as the only packages that i have installed are the three above<br /><br /></p>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br><br>the last project that come to us from mageia teams is quite good<br><br>but there are some troubles that i wish mageia artwork-team take care of it before the next release<br>
+<br>and one of those things is the installer looks<br><br>since mageia artwork-team and community people decided to get a rid of ia-ora theme and replaced it with oxygen looks<br><br>then they supposed to do it in the whole distro&#39;s softwares<br>
+<br>like the installer<br><br>it suppose to use oxygen look&#39;s not ia-ora<br><br>=======================================<br><br>so i hope this bug will be solved next time<br><br>===============<br><br>oh there plenty of ideas that i wish all of you read it and support it if its good<br>
+<br>like this one<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3898">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3898</a><br><br>and this one<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342</a><br>
+<br>==============<br><br>best wishes to all of you<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br><br>the last project that come to us from mageia teams is quite good<br><br>but there are some troubles that i wish mageia artwork-team take care of it before the next release<br>
+<br>and one of those things is the installer looks<br><br>since mageia artwork-team and community people decided to get a rid of ia-ora theme and replaced it with oxygen looks<br><br>then they supposed to do it in the whole distro&#39;s softwares<br>
+<br>like the installer<br><br>it suppose to use oxygen look&#39;s not ia-ora<br><br>=======================================<br><br>so i hope this bug will be solved next time<br><br>===============<br><br>oh there plenty of ideas that i wish all of you read it and support it if its good<br>
+<br>like this one<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3898">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3898</a><br><br>and this one<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342</a><br>
+<br>==============<br><br>best wishes to all of you<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:10 AM, ������� �������� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com" target="_blank">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br><br>the last project that come to us from mageia teams is quite good<br>
+<br>but there are some troubles that i wish mageia artwork-team take care of it before the next release<br>
+<br>and one of those things is the installer looks<br><br>since mageia artwork-team and community people decided to get a rid of ia-ora theme and replaced it with oxygen looks<br><br>then they supposed to do it in the whole distro&#39;s softwares<br>
+
+<br>like the installer<br><br>it suppose to use oxygen look&#39;s not ia-ora<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>That&#39;s a good point, and worth looking into. Do you have screenshots? If so, please file a bug report.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">
+<br>=======================================<br><br>so i hope this bug will be solved next time<br><br>===============<br><br>oh there plenty of ideas that i wish all of you read it and support it if its good<br>
+<br>like this one<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3898" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3898</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is the color scheme one.<br>There are some amorphous plans to develop a unique Mageia theme that will work in KDE and GNOME.<br>
+Right now it&#39;s just an idea. We need to look into how difficult it will be to make the themes and maintain them.<br>Another option is to use the Oxygen theme with our own colors.<br>Once the artwork team sets its goals for Mga3 we&#39;ll let you know :)<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">
+<br><br>and this one<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is a WONTFIX, as it relies too much on individual taste.<br>
+While I appreciate the desire for Mageia to have its own unique look, it might not be possible.<br>How do we decide which look, which icons to put down, what order they should be in? Ask people? For every ten people we ask we&#39;ll get 15 opinions.<br>
+The best we could hope for would be to stick with the &quot;standard&quot; as a default, it&#39;s what people are used to, and let people change their own look.<br>As pointed out there, many new users might not know how to do this, so maybe creating a wiki page explaining it would help.<br>
+</div></div><br>Also, opening bugs is a good thing, we can&#39;t always be reading all the threads in the forum. Opening a bug draws our attention to it. But sometimes it&#39;s a bug that just won&#39;t get fixed.<br>Sorry about that.<br>
+<br>Max<br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 3:10 AM, ������� �������� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com" target="_blank">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br><br>the last project that come to us from mageia teams is quite good<br>
+<br>but there are some troubles that i wish mageia artwork-team take care of it before the next release<br>
+<br>and one of those things is the installer looks<br><br>since mageia artwork-team and community people decided to get a rid of ia-ora theme and replaced it with oxygen looks<br><br>then they supposed to do it in the whole distro&#39;s softwares<br>
+
+<br>like the installer<br><br>it suppose to use oxygen look&#39;s not ia-ora<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>That&#39;s a good point, and worth looking into. Do you have screenshots? If so, please file a bug report.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">
+<br>=======================================<br><br>so i hope this bug will be solved next time<br><br>===============<br><br>oh there plenty of ideas that i wish all of you read it and support it if its good<br>
+<br>like this one<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3898" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3898</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is the color scheme one.<br>There are some amorphous plans to develop a unique Mageia theme that will work in KDE and GNOME.<br>
+Right now it&#39;s just an idea. We need to look into how difficult it will be to make the themes and maintain them.<br>Another option is to use the Oxygen theme with our own colors.<br>Once the artwork team sets its goals for Mga3 we&#39;ll let you know :)<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">
+<br><br>and this one<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5342</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is a WONTFIX, as it relies too much on individual taste.<br>
+While I appreciate the desire for Mageia to have its own unique look, it might not be possible.<br>How do we decide which look, which icons to put down, what order they should be in? Ask people? For every ten people we ask we&#39;ll get 15 opinions.<br>
+The best we could hope for would be to stick with the &quot;standard&quot; as a default, it&#39;s what people are used to, and let people change their own look.<br>As pointed out there, many new users might not know how to do this, so maybe creating a wiki page explaining it would help.<br>
+</div></div><br>Also, opening bugs is a good thing, we can&#39;t always be reading all the threads in the forum. Opening a bug draws our attention to it. But sometimes it&#39;s a bug that just won&#39;t get fixed.<br>Sorry about that.<br>
+<br>Max<br></div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Kristoffer Grundstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com" target="_blank">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is it possible to get to this activated?<br>
+<br>
+As Mandriva, we should have it to.<br>
+I made a wish-report before about it.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>A wish will never get you far. Better review existing projects in other distributions (or cross-distributions) and join/improve these. Or explain why their use-case doesn&#39;t fit us.</div>
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+<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Kristoffer Grundstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com" target="_blank">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Is it possible to get to this activated?<br>
+<br>
+As Mandriva, we should have it to.<br>
+I made a wish-report before about it.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>A wish will never get you far. Better review existing projects in other distributions (or cross-distributions) and join/improve these. Or explain why their use-case doesn&#39;t fit us.</div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em dom 03 jun 2012, �s 17:26:41, Marja van Waes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi everyone,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As most of you will know, doktor5000 has been the main provider of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; support for Mageia users who go to the forum for help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; His workload has increased, at the moment, he makes in between 30 and 40</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; posts in the forum a day.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That is too much, he has a full-time job, he has packages to maintain,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; security updates and bug fixes to do, documentation to write, but</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; because of the workload he doesn't get around to doing those other</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; things for Mageia. Worse even, he doesn't have time left for some fun</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; part of life.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So your help is more than welcome.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please go to the forum and sign up in this thread</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681 if you want to help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks a lot :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; marja</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Marja,<br /><br />I admire the hard work you (and Doktor5000, Wobo and many other) are doing, a real community support, with high technical quality.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />Congratulations. I'm really impressed. You are answering hundreds of questions.<br /><br />I think that in this week's launch Mageia everything is very difficult, there are many questions and many new users.<br /><br />I agree that you need the help from other people, but maybe this is not enough.<br /><br />I think it's important to have help texts for beginners, in the wiki and forum.<br /><br />One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be used by common people, without much technical knowledge. <br /><br />I have no expertise. But I found a way to help editing &quot;help texts&quot; for beginners. <br /><br />I have edited help texts (in <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.mandriva-br.org%2Fmandriva%2Fdicas_para_iniciantes%2Findice"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Wiki MandrivaBrasil</span></a> and <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmageia-1"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Wiki MageiaBrasil</span></a>) mainly for 3 basic tasks:<br /><br />1 - <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Finstalar"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install Mageia</span></a> <br />2 - <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmidias"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install the media</span></a> (software repository)<br />3 -<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fccm"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install the software</span></a>.<br /><br />I edited these texts for the Forum and Wiki MandrivaBrasil and I copied them to the forum and Wiki MageiaBrasil.<br /><br />- Simple answers to simple questions. Example: How do I do this? Answer: Read the directions from the wiki (see link). These questions, I and many others can answer.<br /><br />- Answers complicated, only people with technical knowledge can answer (and that should not overloading with these tasks simpler, that one wiki can do).<br /><br />Currently I'm not getting much help  and English is not my native language), but I can try.<br /><br />I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for beginners, mainly to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch of Mageia 3 next year.<br /><br />The Mageia becoming a very popular distro, so I hope that as soon as possible, Mageia have more people helping, and lots of help documentation to support, especially for novice users.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Macxi</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">****************************</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia Forum (en)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681&amp;p=19891#p19891"><span style=" font-size:large; font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Re: Forum support: your help is needed!</span></a> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">by <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=300"><span style=" font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">macxi</span></a> � Jun 4th, '12, 02:56 </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681&amp;p=19891#p19891</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em dom 03 jun 2012, �s 17:26:41, Marja van Waes escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi everyone,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As most of you will know, doktor5000 has been the main provider of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; support for Mageia users who go to the forum for help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; His workload has increased, at the moment, he makes in between 30 and 40</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; posts in the forum a day.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That is too much, he has a full-time job, he has packages to maintain,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; security updates and bug fixes to do, documentation to write, but</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; because of the workload he doesn't get around to doing those other</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; things for Mageia. Worse even, he doesn't have time left for some fun</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; part of life.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So your help is more than welcome.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Please go to the forum and sign up in this thread</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681 if you want to help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks a lot :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Cheers,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; marja</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Marja,<br /><br />I admire the hard work you (and Doktor5000, Wobo and many other) are doing, a real community support, with high technical quality.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />Congratulations. I'm really impressed. You are answering hundreds of questions.<br /><br />I think that in this week's launch Mageia everything is very difficult, there are many questions and many new users.<br /><br />I agree that you need the help from other people, but maybe this is not enough.<br /><br />I think it's important to have help texts for beginners, in the wiki and forum.<br /><br />One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be used by common people, without much technical knowledge. <br /><br />I have no expertise. But I found a way to help editing &quot;help texts&quot; for beginners. <br /><br />I have edited help texts (in <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fdocs.mandriva-br.org%2Fmandriva%2Fdicas_para_iniciantes%2Findice"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Wiki MandrivaBrasil</span></a> and <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmageia-1"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Wiki MageiaBrasil</span></a>) mainly for 3 basic tasks:<br /><br />1 - <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Finstalar"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install Mageia</span></a> <br />2 - <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fmidias"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install the media</span></a> (software repository)<br />3 -<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=auto&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mageiabr.org%2Fmageia%2Fccm"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Install the software</span></a>.<br /><br />I edited these texts for the Forum and Wiki MandrivaBrasil and I copied them to the forum and Wiki MageiaBrasil.<br /><br />- Simple answers to simple questions. Example: How do I do this? Answer: Read the directions from the wiki (see link). These questions, I and many others can answer.<br /><br />- Answers complicated, only people with technical knowledge can answer (and that should not overloading with these tasks simpler, that one wiki can do).<br /><br />Currently I'm not getting much help  and English is not my native language), but I can try.<br /><br />I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for beginners, mainly to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch of Mageia 3 next year.<br /><br />The Mageia becoming a very popular distro, so I hope that as soon as possible, Mageia have more people helping, and lots of help documentation to support, especially for novice users.<br /><br />Cheers<br />Macxi</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">****************************</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia Forum (en)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681&amp;p=19891#p19891"><span style=" font-size:large; font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">Re: Forum support: your help is needed!</span></a> </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:12px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">by <a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&amp;u=300"><span style=" font-weight:600; text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">macxi</span></a> � Jun 4th, '12, 02:56 </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=18&amp;t=2681&amp;p=19891#p19891</p>
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+<p>Fixed now by </p>
+<p># rm -rf /var/lib/__db* &amp;&amp; rpmdb --rebuilddb</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 3 juin 2012 11:50, &quot;Cazzaniga Sandro&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; a �crit�:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve got an error (always the same) when I try to use any rpm command<br>
+(urpm*, rpm*) on my mageia cauldron:<br>
+<br>
+erreur: rpmdb: Thread/process 4583/3074074304 failed: Thread died in<br>
+Berkeley DB library<br>
+erreur: erreur db4(-30974) de dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal<br>
+error, run database recovery<br>
+erreur: ne peut ouvrir l&#39;index Packages en utilisant db4 - �(-30974)<br>
+erreur: impossible d&#39;ouvrir la base de donn�es Package dans /var/lib/rpm<br>
+impossible d&#39;ouvrir la base de donn�e rpm<br>
+<br>
+It seems that rpmdb stay locked, but I&#39;m not an expert. Can someone help<br>
+me to fix it?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks guys!<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Fixed now by </p>
+<p># rm -rf /var/lib/__db* &amp;&amp; rpmdb --rebuilddb</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Le 3 juin 2012 11:50, &quot;Cazzaniga Sandro&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com">cazzaniga.sandro@gmail.com</a>&gt; a �crit�:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;ve got an error (always the same) when I try to use any rpm command<br>
+(urpm*, rpm*) on my mageia cauldron:<br>
+<br>
+erreur: rpmdb: Thread/process 4583/3074074304 failed: Thread died in<br>
+Berkeley DB library<br>
+erreur: erreur db4(-30974) de dbenv-&gt;failchk: DB_RUNRECOVERY: Fatal<br>
+error, run database recovery<br>
+erreur: ne peut ouvrir l&#39;index Packages en utilisant db4 - �(-30974)<br>
+erreur: impossible d&#39;ouvrir la base de donn�es Package dans /var/lib/rpm<br>
+impossible d&#39;ouvrir la base de donn�e rpm<br>
+<br>
+It seems that rpmdb stay locked, but I&#39;m not an expert. Can someone help<br>
+me to fix it?<br>
+<br>
+Thanks guys!<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window decorator, colors)?</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+Yes.</div><div>But specifically a desktop theme. Window decorater, colors.</div><div>Icons we&#39;re going to work on�separately. Probably using application-original icons, but new icons for the drakxtools applications.</div>
+<div>Wallpaper will probably be a contest again, but we&#39;ll have to think about the details a little better this time...</div><div>Splash screen and Plymouth will just be an extension of the wallpaper, like we did with Mga2.</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">
+  </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original choices.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I can understand that, but we are aiming for a unified look. Nothing will stop you from changing it, this will just be the default.</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not other modifications from upstream. </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window decorator, colors)?</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
+Yes.</div><div>But specifically a desktop theme. Window decorater, colors.</div><div>Icons we&#39;re going to work on�separately. Probably using application-original icons, but new icons for the drakxtools applications.</div>
+<div>Wallpaper will probably be a contest again, but we&#39;ll have to think about the details a little better this time...</div><div>Splash screen and Plymouth will just be an extension of the wallpaper, like we did with Mga2.</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">
+  </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original choices.</p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I can understand that, but we are aiming for a unified look. Nothing will stop you from changing it, this will just be the default.</div>
+<div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:&#39;Liberation Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not other modifications from upstream. </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Liberation Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 03/06/2012 11:50:10 Max Quarterpleen έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi everybody</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As mentioned in a previous mail we are thinking about creating a brand new theme for Mageia 3 that will work on KDE and GNOME.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This will allow Mageia to have a unique look from other distros, and a unified look across desktop environments.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The thing is, we don't want to commit to this until we know that we can do it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nobody on the artwork team really knows what is involved in creating a new theme in either DE. (I have modified a few existing themes in KDE, but I don't think that that counts).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Furthermore, we would have to maintain this theme upstream, and that requires additional time and effort, not to mention commitment.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So this is a general call to packaging/developing people, or anybody else who has the skills and time to help us out with this. We will not start this project unless we know that we can finish it, and maintain it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If anybody has any advice, tips, a hand to offer or even a few fingers, we would be very glad of any assistance.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Max</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window decorator, colors)?  </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original choices.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not other modifications from upstream. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Στις 03/06/2012 11:50:10 Max Quarterpleen έγραψε:<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi everybody</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">As mentioned in a previous mail we are thinking about creating a brand new theme for Mageia 3 that will work on KDE and GNOME.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">This will allow Mageia to have a unique look from other distros, and a unified look across desktop environments.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">The thing is, we don't want to commit to this until we know that we can do it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Nobody on the artwork team really knows what is involved in creating a new theme in either DE. (I have modified a few existing themes in KDE, but I don't think that that counts).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Furthermore, we would have to maintain this theme upstream, and that requires additional time and effort, not to mention commitment.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So this is a general call to packaging/developing people, or anybody else who has the skills and time to help us out with this. We will not start this project unless we know that we can finish it, and maintain it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If anybody has any advice, tips, a hand to offer or even a few fingers, we would be very glad of any assistance.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Thanks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Max</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window decorator, colors)?  </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original choices.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not other modifications from upstream. </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Dimitrios Glentadakis</p></body></html>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi everybody<div>As mentioned in a previous mail we are thinking about creating a brand new theme for Mageia 3 that will work on KDE and GNOME.</div><div>This will allow Mageia to have a unique look from other distros, and a unified look across desktop environments.</div>
+<div>The thing is, we don&#39;t want to commit to this until we know that we can do it.</div><div>Nobody on the artwork team really knows what is involved in creating a new theme in either DE. (I have modified a few existing themes in KDE, but I don&#39;t think that that counts).</div>
+<div>Furthermore, we would have to maintain this theme upstream, and that requires additional time and effort, not to mention�commitment.</div><div>So this is a general call to packaging/developing people, or anybody else who has the skills and time to help us out with this. We will not start this project unless we know that we can finish it, and maintain it.</div>
+<div>If anybody has any advice, tips, a hand to offer or even a few fingers, we would be very glad of any assistance.</div><div>Thanks</div><div>Max</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi everybody<div>As mentioned in a previous mail we are thinking about creating a brand new theme for Mageia 3 that will work on KDE and GNOME.</div><div>This will allow Mageia to have a unique look from other distros, and a unified look across desktop environments.</div>
+<div>The thing is, we don&#39;t want to commit to this until we know that we can do it.</div><div>Nobody on the artwork team really knows what is involved in creating a new theme in either DE. (I have modified a few existing themes in KDE, but I don&#39;t think that that counts).</div>
+<div>Furthermore, we would have to maintain this theme upstream, and that requires additional time and effort, not to mention�commitment.</div><div>So this is a general call to packaging/developing people, or anybody else who has the skills and time to help us out with this. We will not start this project unless we know that we can finish it, and maintain it.</div>
+<div>If anybody has any advice, tips, a hand to offer or even a few fingers, we would be very glad of any assistance.</div><div>Thanks</div><div>Max</div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>That&#39;s a good point, and worth looking into. Do you have screenshots? If so, please file a bug report.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote><div><br>here is the screenshot<br><br>]<a href="http://i49.tinypic.com/29qdue0.png">http://i49.tinypic.com/29qdue0.png</a><br><br>as you see installer still using ia-ora<br><br>so we need to fix this and make it use oxygen instead of ia-ora looks<br>
+</div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>That&#39;s a good point, and worth looking into. Do you have screenshots? If so, please file a bug report.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote><div><br>here is the screenshot<br><br>]<a href="http://i49.tinypic.com/29qdue0.png">http://i49.tinypic.com/29qdue0.png</a><br><br>as you see installer still using ia-ora<br><br>so we need to fix this and make it use oxygen instead of ia-ora looks<br>
+</div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 03/06/2012 13:37, Wolfgang Bornath a �crit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/6/3 Max Quarterpleen&lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com" target="_blank">bogusman222@<u></u>gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window<br>
+decorator, colors)?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Yes.<br>
+But specifically a desktop theme. Window decorater, colors.<br>
+Icons we&#39;re going to work on separately. Probably using application-original<br>
+icons, but new icons for the drakxtools applications.<br>
+Wallpaper will probably be a contest again, but we&#39;ll have to think about<br>
+the details a little better this time...<br>
+Splash screen and Plymouth will just be an extension of the wallpaper, like<br>
+we did with Mga2.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original<br>
+choices.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+I can understand that, but we are aiming for a unified look. Nothing will<br>
+stop you from changing it, this will just be the default.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not<br>
+other modifications from upstream.<br>
+<br>
+Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+Yes, this again is something related with individual taste.<br>
+<br>
+Many other distributions try to change looks, even functions of the<br>
+original DE to have a unique desktop. But integrating the big 2 (KDE&amp;<br>
+Gnome) into the distribution&#39;s own look and keep it as original as<br>
+possible and then make it look good together - this is also a<br>
+separator from those other distributions. A nice example:<br>
+<br>
+At Berlin Linuxtag exhibition a visitor looked at Mageia 2 KDE (I did<br>
+a standard installation with nothing customized to my own preferences<br>
+yet). He played with it for a while, especially with the KDE<br>
+functions. Then he �told us that in his opinion this is the best<br>
+integration of KDE into a new distribution he has seen lately,<br>
+especially the combination of the KDE looks with out corporate colors.<br>
+The guy turned out to be the treasurer of the KDE project.<br>
+<br>
+This is what I meant - establishing a reputation of leaving the<br>
+original as original as possible.<br>
+This should at least taken into account: Do we really want our own theme?<br>
+<br>
+Of course there&#39;s nothing against our own theme as additionsl option.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is why I put it up for discussion. :)<br><br>Yes, we did integrate KDE very nicely with our distro and gave it a nice personal touch. But I&#39;m not really sure how much the treasurer would know about look and feel. He could be a software or graphics designer by day and treasurer by night, but he could also be a lawyer by day.<br>
+In any event, such a compliment from one of the KDE team does say a lot.<br>We&#39;ll think about this some more.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div class="h5"></div></div>
+Also I&#39;d like to add that creating a brand new theme is *really* a long and hard task. One of the strong point of Mageia is also having a common theme for environnement which allows to have both Qt and gtk apps well integrated. Such choice should be done also together with environments maintainers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is also why I put it up for discussion. HSo we can hear exactly what it is that we&#39;re up against.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 3, 2012 at 2:57 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 03/06/2012 13:37, Wolfgang Bornath a �crit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/6/3 Max Quarterpleen&lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com" target="_blank">bogusman222@<u></u>gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+What kind of theme (wallpaper, icons, plymouth, splash screen, window<br>
+decorator, colors)?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+Yes.<br>
+But specifically a desktop theme. Window decorater, colors.<br>
+Icons we&#39;re going to work on separately. Probably using application-original<br>
+icons, but new icons for the drakxtools applications.<br>
+Wallpaper will probably be a contest again, but we&#39;ll have to think about<br>
+the details a little better this time...<br>
+Splash screen and Plymouth will just be an extension of the wallpaper, like<br>
+we did with Mga2.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+If it is the window decorator, personally i prefer the every DE original<br>
+choices.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+I can understand that, but we are aiming for a unified look. Nothing will<br>
+stop you from changing it, this will just be the default.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I think the distro is good to have its plymouth and splash screen , not<br>
+other modifications from upstream.<br>
+<br>
+Please let users enjoy each Desktop flavors.<br>
+</blockquote></blockquote>
+<br>
+Yes, this again is something related with individual taste.<br>
+<br>
+Many other distributions try to change looks, even functions of the<br>
+original DE to have a unique desktop. But integrating the big 2 (KDE&amp;<br>
+Gnome) into the distribution&#39;s own look and keep it as original as<br>
+possible and then make it look good together - this is also a<br>
+separator from those other distributions. A nice example:<br>
+<br>
+At Berlin Linuxtag exhibition a visitor looked at Mageia 2 KDE (I did<br>
+a standard installation with nothing customized to my own preferences<br>
+yet). He played with it for a while, especially with the KDE<br>
+functions. Then he �told us that in his opinion this is the best<br>
+integration of KDE into a new distribution he has seen lately,<br>
+especially the combination of the KDE looks with out corporate colors.<br>
+The guy turned out to be the treasurer of the KDE project.<br>
+<br>
+This is what I meant - establishing a reputation of leaving the<br>
+original as original as possible.<br>
+This should at least taken into account: Do we really want our own theme?<br>
+<br>
+Of course there&#39;s nothing against our own theme as additionsl option.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>This is why I put it up for discussion. :)<br><br>Yes, we did integrate KDE very nicely with our distro and gave it a nice personal touch. But I&#39;m not really sure how much the treasurer would know about look and feel. He could be a software or graphics designer by day and treasurer by night, but he could also be a lawyer by day.<br>
+In any event, such a compliment from one of the KDE team does say a lot.<br>We&#39;ll think about this some more.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div><div class="h5"></div></div>
+Also I&#39;d like to add that creating a brand new theme is *really* a long and hard task. One of the strong point of Mageia is also having a common theme for environnement which allows to have both Qt and gtk apps well integrated. Such choice should be done also together with environments maintainers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Yes, this is also why I put it up for discussion. HSo we can hear exactly what it is that we&#39;re up against.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em dom 03 jun 2012, �s 23:46:24, Doug Laidlaw escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:11:43 -0400</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Liam R E Quin &lt;liam@holoweb.net&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 22:21 -0300, Macxi wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; used by common people, without much technical knowledge.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I used to promote Mandriva Linux because (1) it targeted people new to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Linux, and (2) it targets also developers, the best way to keep a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; distribution alive.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I hope Mageia continues this.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; beginners, mainly to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; of Mageia 3 next year.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; It's a good thing to do. Does the default install include a link to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the forum on the desktop?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Liam</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You can add one if you wish.  Just right-click on the desktop and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; follow the pop-up menu.  Better still, get an account.  Both you and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Maxci write as if you will be users, not contributors.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Doug.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Doug, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm contributor and user. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; It's a good thing to do. Does the default install include a link to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the forum on the desktop?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Liam, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Your suggestion already exists. The default installation already installs the icon &quot;Join Mageia Community&quot;, which has links with the site Mageia and all other tools (wiki, forum, etc).</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Macxi</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em dom 03 jun 2012, �s 23:46:24, Doug Laidlaw escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:11:43 -0400</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Liam R E Quin &lt;liam@holoweb.net&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Sun, 2012-06-03 at 22:21 -0300, Macxi wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; One of the reasons I use the Mageia is because I believe it can be</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; used by common people, without much technical knowledge.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I used to promote Mandriva Linux because (1) it targeted people new to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Linux, and (2) it targets also developers, the best way to keep a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; distribution alive.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; I hope Mageia continues this.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I really want to help in this task of editing help texts for</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; beginners, mainly to avoid the overhead of you again at the launch</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; of Mageia 3 next year.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; It's a good thing to do. Does the default install include a link to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the forum on the desktop?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Liam</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; You can add one if you wish.  Just right-click on the desktop and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; follow the pop-up menu.  Better still, get an account.  Both you and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Maxci write as if you will be users, not contributors.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Doug.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Doug, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I'm contributor and user. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; It's a good thing to do. Does the default install include a link to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; the forum on the desktop?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Liam, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Your suggestion already exists. The default installation already installs the icon &quot;Join Mageia Community&quot;, which has links with the site Mageia and all other tools (wiki, forum, etc).</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Macxi</p></body></html>
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+    Am 2012-06-11 17:45, schrieb Max Quarterpleen:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CABN=Kyg8NbqKQE1DJdH_J97AkjwkBktwzeEcs9Df7-P=aV2vYA@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="ltr"><br>
+        <br>
+        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:36 PM,
+          Richard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:richardwest@leiston.info" target="_blank">richardwest@leiston.info</a>&gt;</span>
+          wrote:<br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+            <div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera
+              Sans';font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+              <div>
+                <div class="h5">
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On
+                    Monday 11 June 2012 11:36:04 Michael Hill wrote:</p>
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt;
+                    On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Johnny A. Solbu
+                    &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                      href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;
+                    wrote:</p>
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt;
+                    &gt; Anyone else seeing this?</p>
+                </div>
+              </div>
+            </div>
+          </blockquote>
+          <div><br>
+            Yes. On -discuss and -marcom.<br>
+            &nbsp;</div>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt
+            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
+            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+            <div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera
+              Sans';font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+              <div>
+                <div class="h5">
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt;
+                  </p>
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt;
+                    Yes.</p>
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&nbsp;</p>
+                </div>
+              </div>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Yes,
+                I just got about 30.</p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">--
+              </p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Richard.</p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&nbsp;</p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><a
+                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.leiston.info"
+                  target="_blank">http://www.leiston.info</a></p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&nbsp;</p>
+            </div>
+          </blockquote>
+        </div>
+        <br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    yea, about 30.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    Am 2012-06-11 17:45, schrieb Max Quarterpleen:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CABN=Kyg8NbqKQE1DJdH_J97AkjwkBktwzeEcs9Df7-P=aV2vYA@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="ltr"><br>
+        <br>
+        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:36 PM,
+          Richard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:richardwest@leiston.info" target="_blank">richardwest@leiston.info</a>&gt;</span>
+          wrote:<br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+            <div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera
+              Sans';font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+              <div>
+                <div class="h5">
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On
+                    Monday 11 June 2012 11:36:04 Michael Hill wrote:</p>
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt;
+                    On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Johnny A. Solbu
+                    &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+                      href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;
+                    wrote:</p>
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt;
+                    &gt; Anyone else seeing this?</p>
+                </div>
+              </div>
+            </div>
+          </blockquote>
+          <div><br>
+            Yes. On -discuss and -marcom.<br>
+            &nbsp;</div>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt
+            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
+            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+            <div style="font-family:'Bitstream Vera
+              Sans';font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal">
+              <div>
+                <div class="h5">
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt;
+                  </p>
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt;
+                    Yes.</p>
+                  <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&nbsp;</p>
+                </div>
+              </div>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Yes,
+                I just got about 30.</p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">--
+              </p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Richard.</p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&nbsp;</p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><a
+                  moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.leiston.info"
+                  target="_blank">http://www.leiston.info</a></p>
+              <p
+style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&nbsp;</p>
+            </div>
+          </blockquote>
+        </div>
+        <br>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    yea, about 30.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Richard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:richardwest@leiston.info" target="_blank">richardwest@leiston.info</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On Monday 11 June 2012 11:36:04 Michael Hill wrote:</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
+
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; &gt; Anyone else seeing this?</p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Yes. On -discuss and -marcom.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; Yes.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Yes, I just got about 30.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Richard.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><a href="http://www.leiston.info" target="_blank">http://www.leiston.info</a></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 6:36 PM, Richard <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:richardwest@leiston.info" target="_blank">richardwest@leiston.info</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<u></u>
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">On Monday 11 June 2012 11:36:04 Michael Hill wrote:</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net" target="_blank">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
+
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; &gt; Anyone else seeing this?</p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Yes. On -discuss and -marcom.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div style="font-family:&#39;Bitstream Vera Sans&#39;;font-size:9pt;font-weight:400;font-style:normal"><div><div class="h5">
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">&gt; Yes.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p>
+</div></div><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Yes, I just got about 30.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">-- </p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">Richard.</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px"><a href="http://www.leiston.info" target="_blank">http://www.leiston.info</a></p>
+<p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;margin-right:0px;text-indent:0px">�</p></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Len Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    On 11/06/12 13:58, Alejandro L�pez wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Len
+        Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          On 11/06/12 12:28, Doug Laidlaw wrote:<br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
+            
+            You say that the permissions are correct, but do they
+            include execute<br>
+            permissions? �The prompt difference may be simply that
+            root&#39;s prompt is<br>
+            no longer the same as a user&#39;s prompt. �It is set by a
+            config file for<br>
+            each user. �You can see the code for it by typing &quot;echo
+            $PS1&quot; In my<br>
+            case, that gives &quot;[\u@\h \W]\$&quot; �The \h puts in the
+            hostname. �You can<br>
+            change it for the current session by typing at the user
+            prompt:<br>
+            <br>
+            � � PS1=&quot;[\u@\h \W]\$&quot;<br>
+            <br>
+            You can make that permanent by putting it in your
+            .bash_profile, where<br>
+            it should override the other at your next login, but really,
+            it is only<br>
+            a workaround.<br>
+            <br>
+            With so many issues, I would do a full reinstall, but more
+            knowledgeable<br>
+            people tell me it is the easy way out.<br>
+            <br>
+            HTH,<br>
+            <br>
+            Doug.<br>
+          </blockquote>
+          Yes, all the commands have execute permission. �I have been
+          using my local bin directory for years and I have never <br>
+          </blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>snipped <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+<blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">As you say, a reinstall looks like the best way out. �More
+          knowledgeable people would probably know just where to look
+          for the root of the problem(s) but even after 21 years
+          experience of Unix and Linux I know next to nothing about
+          access and security policies.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        </div></div><div><br>
+          <br>
+          Maybe it was somehow mounted with the -noexec flag?<br>
+          <br>
+          Alejandro.<br>
+          <br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    mtab contains this entry:<br>
+    <br>
+    /dev/sda6 /home ext4
+    rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0
+    0<br>
+    <br>
+    fstab had:<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda6 :<br>
+    UUID=341956e4-fddb-45a6-a191-4c912328ec7a /home ext4 user,defaults 1
+    2<br>
+    none /proc proc defaults 0 0<br>
+    <br>
+    I have removed the &quot;user,&quot; because it does not tally with my other
+    mga2 workstation.<br>
+    That does not have noexec against /home.<br>
+    <br>
+    About to reboot.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks for the pointer.<br>
+    <br></div></blockquote><div>Back in business as far as local bin files are concerned and root and lcl quote belexeuli in the prompt.� However, root cannot access the gui so tools like mcc are inaccessible.� I need to clobber autologin.� Is there a command line solution for that?� I would guess that there is a file somewhere in /etc with AUTOLOGIN=1.<br>
+<br>Len<br>�<br></div></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Len Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    On 11/06/12 13:58, Alejandro L�pez wrote:
+    <blockquote type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Len
+        Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          On 11/06/12 12:28, Doug Laidlaw wrote:<br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
+            
+            You say that the permissions are correct, but do they
+            include execute<br>
+            permissions? �The prompt difference may be simply that
+            root&#39;s prompt is<br>
+            no longer the same as a user&#39;s prompt. �It is set by a
+            config file for<br>
+            each user. �You can see the code for it by typing &quot;echo
+            $PS1&quot; In my<br>
+            case, that gives &quot;[\u@\h \W]\$&quot; �The \h puts in the
+            hostname. �You can<br>
+            change it for the current session by typing at the user
+            prompt:<br>
+            <br>
+            � � PS1=&quot;[\u@\h \W]\$&quot;<br>
+            <br>
+            You can make that permanent by putting it in your
+            .bash_profile, where<br>
+            it should override the other at your next login, but really,
+            it is only<br>
+            a workaround.<br>
+            <br>
+            With so many issues, I would do a full reinstall, but more
+            knowledgeable<br>
+            people tell me it is the easy way out.<br>
+            <br>
+            HTH,<br>
+            <br>
+            Doug.<br>
+          </blockquote>
+          Yes, all the commands have execute permission. �I have been
+          using my local bin directory for years and I have never <br>
+          </blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>snipped <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+<blockquote type="cite"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">As you say, a reinstall looks like the best way out. �More
+          knowledgeable people would probably know just where to look
+          for the root of the problem(s) but even after 21 years
+          experience of Unix and Linux I know next to nothing about
+          access and security policies.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        </div></div><div><br>
+          <br>
+          Maybe it was somehow mounted with the -noexec flag?<br>
+          <br>
+          Alejandro.<br>
+          <br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    mtab contains this entry:<br>
+    <br>
+    /dev/sda6 /home ext4
+    rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0
+    0<br>
+    <br>
+    fstab had:<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda6 :<br>
+    UUID=341956e4-fddb-45a6-a191-4c912328ec7a /home ext4 user,defaults 1
+    2<br>
+    none /proc proc defaults 0 0<br>
+    <br>
+    I have removed the &quot;user,&quot; because it does not tally with my other
+    mga2 workstation.<br>
+    That does not have noexec against /home.<br>
+    <br>
+    About to reboot.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks for the pointer.<br>
+    <br></div></blockquote><div>Back in business as far as local bin files are concerned and root and lcl quote belexeuli in the prompt.� However, root cannot access the gui so tools like mcc are inaccessible.� I need to clobber autologin.� Is there a command line solution for that?� I would guess that there is a file somewhere in /etc with AUTOLOGIN=1.<br>
+<br>Len<br>�<br></div></div><br>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Monday 11 June 2012 11:36:04 Michael Hill wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;cooker@solbu.net&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Anyone else seeing this?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, I just got about 30.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Monday 11 June 2012 11:36:04 Michael Hill wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Johnny A. Solbu &lt;cooker@solbu.net&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Anyone else seeing this?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yes.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Yes, I just got about 30.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+  <head>
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+    On 11/06/12 13:58, Alejandro López wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAHDxzRdU92+44ixhKUFPDPeRPJ7aq9q0p3fSwv+ynxmAJduftQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Len
+        Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          On 11/06/12 12:28, Doug Laidlaw wrote:<br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+            On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:33:46 +0100<br>
+            Len Lawrence&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;
+             wrote:<br>
+            <br>
+            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+              After a warm reboot this morning I found that I no longer
+              had the<br>
+              ability to run my own commands even though the permissions
+              are correct<br>
+              and ownership is lcl (uid=500).  User system commands are
+              OK so<br>
+              running a script via ruby for instance works but trying to
+              execute the<br>
+              script by itself fails even though it is fully executable.
+               This<br>
+              applies to all my local bin commands.  Command aliases
+              however do work<br>
+              as long as they do not involve running any of my bin
+              files.<br>
+              <br>
+              Even root cannot execute these bin commands; same message
+              "Permission<br>
+              denied".<br>
+              <br>
+              In addition the system has switched me to autologin.
+               Trying to run<br>
+              mcc I was told it cannot be run in console mode (??).  If
+              I login as<br>
+              su mcc comes up in console mode, which I am not inclined
+              to use.<br>
+              <br>
+              The hostname on this machine is belexeuli; this does not
+              appear in<br>
+              the command prompt: [lcl@localhost ~]$<br>
+              <br>
+              After su: [root@belexeuli lcl]#<br>
+              <br>
+              This may all have something to do with my adding groups
+              and changing<br>
+              group ids yesterday in my attempts to implement a viable
+              sudoers<br>
+              command.  It worked and I could log out and in again
+              without any<br>
+              problems.  I even managed a reboot without trouble but
+              today is<br>
+              another story.<br>
+              <br>
+              I suspect that solving these multiple problems is beyond
+              my technical<br>
+              skill even with help so a full reinstall is probably the
+              best bet.<br>
+              However I will await any comments.<br>
+              <br>
+              Len<br>
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            You say that the permissions are correct, but do they
+            include execute<br>
+            permissions?  The prompt difference may be simply that
+            root's prompt is<br>
+            no longer the same as a user's prompt.  It is set by a
+            config file for<br>
+            each user.  You can see the code for it by typing "echo
+            $PS1" In my<br>
+            case, that gives "[\u@\h \W]\$"  The \h puts in the
+            hostname.  You can<br>
+            change it for the current session by typing at the user
+            prompt:<br>
+            <br>
+                PS1="[\u@\h \W]\$"<br>
+            <br>
+            You can make that permanent by putting it in your
+            .bash_profile, where<br>
+            it should override the other at your next login, but really,
+            it is only<br>
+            a workaround.<br>
+            <br>
+            With so many issues, I would do a full reinstall, but more
+            knowledgeable<br>
+            people tell me it is the easy way out.<br>
+            <br>
+            HTH,<br>
+            <br>
+            Doug.<br>
+          </blockquote>
+          Yes, all the commands have execute permission.  I have been
+          using my local bin directory for years and I have never had
+          execute refused so this must reflect some deep system level
+          screwup relating to lcl and maybe something in pam.d.  That is
+          unknown country for me.<br>
+          Until yesterday there was no lcl group, only user lcl.  The
+          group for lcl was live, which I have<br>
+          removed from my group list.  live was my primary group, now it
+          is lcl which I added yesterday.  Ownership of my files is now
+          lcl:lcl and in /home/lcl/bin the permissions are nearly all
+          755.<br>
+          Note that I can chmod -x &lt;file&gt; and chmod +x
+          &lt;file&gt; but that does not change anything.<br>
+          <br>
+          I notice that home now contains a "live" directory:
+          /home/live, ownership lcl:lcl, containing tmp and nothing
+          else.  Now that is weird.<br>
+          <br>
+          The difference in the root and user prompts is probably
+          related to the fact that root cannot access the user's X
+          display.  I have seen that sort of thing before when the two
+          have been using different hostnames.  I think that root is now
+          looking at belexeuli:0 whereas the user has for some reason
+          reverted to localhost:0.  Attempts at using the gui by root
+          throw up protocol errors.<br>
+          <br>
+          As you say, a reinstall looks like the best way out.  More
+          knowledgeable people would probably know just where to look
+          for the root of the problem(s) but even after 21 years
+          experience of Unix and Linux I know next to nothing about
+          access and security policies.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+          <br>
+          Maybe it was somehow mounted with the -noexec flag?<br>
+          <br>
+          Alejandro.<br>
+          <br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    mtab contains this entry:<br>
+    <br>
+    /dev/sda6 /home ext4
+    rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0
+    0<br>
+    <br>
+    fstab had:<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda6 :<br>
+    UUID=341956e4-fddb-45a6-a191-4c912328ec7a /home ext4 user,defaults 1
+    2<br>
+    none /proc proc defaults 0 0<br>
+    <br>
+    I have removed the "user," because it does not tally with my other
+    mga2 workstation.<br>
+    That does not have noexec against /home.<br>
+    <br>
+    About to reboot.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks for the pointer.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    On 11/06/12 13:58, Alejandro López wrote:
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAHDxzRdU92+44ixhKUFPDPeRPJ7aq9q0p3fSwv+ynxmAJduftQ@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite"><br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Len
+        Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          On 11/06/12 12:28, Doug Laidlaw wrote:<br>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+            On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:33:46 +0100<br>
+            Len Lawrence&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+              href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;
+             wrote:<br>
+            <br>
+            <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+              .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+              After a warm reboot this morning I found that I no longer
+              had the<br>
+              ability to run my own commands even though the permissions
+              are correct<br>
+              and ownership is lcl (uid=500).  User system commands are
+              OK so<br>
+              running a script via ruby for instance works but trying to
+              execute the<br>
+              script by itself fails even though it is fully executable.
+               This<br>
+              applies to all my local bin commands.  Command aliases
+              however do work<br>
+              as long as they do not involve running any of my bin
+              files.<br>
+              <br>
+              Even root cannot execute these bin commands; same message
+              "Permission<br>
+              denied".<br>
+              <br>
+              In addition the system has switched me to autologin.
+               Trying to run<br>
+              mcc I was told it cannot be run in console mode (??).  If
+              I login as<br>
+              su mcc comes up in console mode, which I am not inclined
+              to use.<br>
+              <br>
+              The hostname on this machine is belexeuli; this does not
+              appear in<br>
+              the command prompt: [lcl@localhost ~]$<br>
+              <br>
+              After su: [root@belexeuli lcl]#<br>
+              <br>
+              This may all have something to do with my adding groups
+              and changing<br>
+              group ids yesterday in my attempts to implement a viable
+              sudoers<br>
+              command.  It worked and I could log out and in again
+              without any<br>
+              problems.  I even managed a reboot without trouble but
+              today is<br>
+              another story.<br>
+              <br>
+              I suspect that solving these multiple problems is beyond
+              my technical<br>
+              skill even with help so a full reinstall is probably the
+              best bet.<br>
+              However I will await any comments.<br>
+              <br>
+              Len<br>
+              <br>
+            </blockquote>
+            You say that the permissions are correct, but do they
+            include execute<br>
+            permissions?  The prompt difference may be simply that
+            root's prompt is<br>
+            no longer the same as a user's prompt.  It is set by a
+            config file for<br>
+            each user.  You can see the code for it by typing "echo
+            $PS1" In my<br>
+            case, that gives "[\u@\h \W]\$"  The \h puts in the
+            hostname.  You can<br>
+            change it for the current session by typing at the user
+            prompt:<br>
+            <br>
+                PS1="[\u@\h \W]\$"<br>
+            <br>
+            You can make that permanent by putting it in your
+            .bash_profile, where<br>
+            it should override the other at your next login, but really,
+            it is only<br>
+            a workaround.<br>
+            <br>
+            With so many issues, I would do a full reinstall, but more
+            knowledgeable<br>
+            people tell me it is the easy way out.<br>
+            <br>
+            HTH,<br>
+            <br>
+            Doug.<br>
+          </blockquote>
+          Yes, all the commands have execute permission.  I have been
+          using my local bin directory for years and I have never had
+          execute refused so this must reflect some deep system level
+          screwup relating to lcl and maybe something in pam.d.  That is
+          unknown country for me.<br>
+          Until yesterday there was no lcl group, only user lcl.  The
+          group for lcl was live, which I have<br>
+          removed from my group list.  live was my primary group, now it
+          is lcl which I added yesterday.  Ownership of my files is now
+          lcl:lcl and in /home/lcl/bin the permissions are nearly all
+          755.<br>
+          Note that I can chmod -x &lt;file&gt; and chmod +x
+          &lt;file&gt; but that does not change anything.<br>
+          <br>
+          I notice that home now contains a "live" directory:
+          /home/live, ownership lcl:lcl, containing tmp and nothing
+          else.  Now that is weird.<br>
+          <br>
+          The difference in the root and user prompts is probably
+          related to the fact that root cannot access the user's X
+          display.  I have seen that sort of thing before when the two
+          have been using different hostnames.  I think that root is now
+          looking at belexeuli:0 whereas the user has for some reason
+          reverted to localhost:0.  Attempts at using the gui by root
+          throw up protocol errors.<br>
+          <br>
+          As you say, a reinstall looks like the best way out.  More
+          knowledgeable people would probably know just where to look
+          for the root of the problem(s) but even after 21 years
+          experience of Unix and Linux I know next to nothing about
+          access and security policies.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+        <div><br>
+          <br>
+          Maybe it was somehow mounted with the -noexec flag?<br>
+          <br>
+          Alejandro.<br>
+          <br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    mtab contains this entry:<br>
+    <br>
+    /dev/sda6 /home ext4
+    rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered 0
+    0<br>
+    <br>
+    fstab had:<br>
+    # Entry for /dev/sda6 :<br>
+    UUID=341956e4-fddb-45a6-a191-4c912328ec7a /home ext4 user,defaults 1
+    2<br>
+    none /proc proc defaults 0 0<br>
+    <br>
+    I have removed the "user," because it does not tally with my other
+    mga2 workstation.<br>
+    That does not have noexec against /home.<br>
+    <br>
+    About to reboot.<br>
+    <br>
+    Thanks for the pointer.<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Len Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 11/06/12 12:28, Doug Laidlaw wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:33:46 +0100<br>
+Len Lawrence&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+After a warm reboot this morning I found that I no longer had the<br>
+ability to run my own commands even though the permissions are correct<br>
+and ownership is lcl (uid=500).  User system commands are OK so<br>
+running a script via ruby for instance works but trying to execute the<br>
+script by itself fails even though it is fully executable.  This<br>
+applies to all my local bin commands.  Command aliases however do work<br>
+as long as they do not involve running any of my bin files.<br>
+<br>
+Even root cannot execute these bin commands; same message &quot;Permission<br>
+denied&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+In addition the system has switched me to autologin.  Trying to run<br>
+mcc I was told it cannot be run in console mode (??).  If I login as<br>
+su mcc comes up in console mode, which I am not inclined to use.<br>
+<br>
+The hostname on this machine is belexeuli; this does not appear in<br>
+the command prompt: [lcl@localhost ~]$<br>
+<br>
+After su: [root@belexeuli lcl]#<br>
+<br>
+This may all have something to do with my adding groups and changing<br>
+group ids yesterday in my attempts to implement a viable sudoers<br>
+command.  It worked and I could log out and in again without any<br>
+problems.  I even managed a reboot without trouble but today is<br>
+another story.<br>
+<br>
+I suspect that solving these multiple problems is beyond my technical<br>
+skill even with help so a full reinstall is probably the best bet.<br>
+However I will await any comments.<br>
+<br>
+Len<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+You say that the permissions are correct, but do they include execute<br>
+permissions?  The prompt difference may be simply that root&#39;s prompt is<br>
+no longer the same as a user&#39;s prompt.  It is set by a config file for<br>
+each user.  You can see the code for it by typing &quot;echo $PS1&quot; In my<br>
+case, that gives &quot;[\u@\h \W]\$&quot;  The \h puts in the hostname.  You can<br>
+change it for the current session by typing at the user prompt:<br>
+<br>
+     PS1=&quot;[\u@\h \W]\$&quot;<br>
+<br>
+You can make that permanent by putting it in your .bash_profile, where<br>
+it should override the other at your next login, but really, it is only<br>
+a workaround.<br>
+<br>
+With so many issues, I would do a full reinstall, but more knowledgeable<br>
+people tell me it is the easy way out.<br>
+<br>
+HTH,<br>
+<br>
+Doug.<br>
+</blockquote>
+Yes, all the commands have execute permission.  I have been using my local bin directory for years and I have never had execute refused so this must reflect some deep system level screwup relating to lcl and maybe something in pam.d.  That is unknown country for me.<br>
+
+Until yesterday there was no lcl group, only user lcl.  The group for lcl was live, which I have<br>
+removed from my group list.  live was my primary group, now it is lcl which I added yesterday.  Ownership of my files is now lcl:lcl and in /home/lcl/bin the permissions are nearly all 755.<br>
+Note that I can chmod -x &lt;file&gt; and chmod +x &lt;file&gt; but that does not change anything.<br>
+<br>
+I notice that home now contains a &quot;live&quot; directory: /home/live, ownership lcl:lcl, containing tmp and nothing else.  Now that is weird.<br>
+<br>
+The difference in the root and user prompts is probably related to the fact that root cannot access the user&#39;s X display.  I have seen that sort of thing before when the two have been using different hostnames.  I think that root is now looking at belexeuli:0 whereas the user has for some reason reverted to localhost:0.  Attempts at using the gui by root throw up protocol errors.<br>
+
+<br>
+As you say, a reinstall looks like the best way out.  More knowledgeable people would probably know just where to look for the root of the problem(s) but even after 21 years experience of Unix and Linux I know next to nothing about access and security policies.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br><br>Maybe it was somehow mounted with the -noexec flag?<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Cheers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Len<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Len Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 11/06/12 12:28, Doug Laidlaw wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Mon, 11 Jun 2012 11:33:46 +0100<br>
+Len Lawrence&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;  wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+After a warm reboot this morning I found that I no longer had the<br>
+ability to run my own commands even though the permissions are correct<br>
+and ownership is lcl (uid=500).  User system commands are OK so<br>
+running a script via ruby for instance works but trying to execute the<br>
+script by itself fails even though it is fully executable.  This<br>
+applies to all my local bin commands.  Command aliases however do work<br>
+as long as they do not involve running any of my bin files.<br>
+<br>
+Even root cannot execute these bin commands; same message &quot;Permission<br>
+denied&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+In addition the system has switched me to autologin.  Trying to run<br>
+mcc I was told it cannot be run in console mode (??).  If I login as<br>
+su mcc comes up in console mode, which I am not inclined to use.<br>
+<br>
+The hostname on this machine is belexeuli; this does not appear in<br>
+the command prompt: [lcl@localhost ~]$<br>
+<br>
+After su: [root@belexeuli lcl]#<br>
+<br>
+This may all have something to do with my adding groups and changing<br>
+group ids yesterday in my attempts to implement a viable sudoers<br>
+command.  It worked and I could log out and in again without any<br>
+problems.  I even managed a reboot without trouble but today is<br>
+another story.<br>
+<br>
+I suspect that solving these multiple problems is beyond my technical<br>
+skill even with help so a full reinstall is probably the best bet.<br>
+However I will await any comments.<br>
+<br>
+Len<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+You say that the permissions are correct, but do they include execute<br>
+permissions?  The prompt difference may be simply that root&#39;s prompt is<br>
+no longer the same as a user&#39;s prompt.  It is set by a config file for<br>
+each user.  You can see the code for it by typing &quot;echo $PS1&quot; In my<br>
+case, that gives &quot;[\u@\h \W]\$&quot;  The \h puts in the hostname.  You can<br>
+change it for the current session by typing at the user prompt:<br>
+<br>
+     PS1=&quot;[\u@\h \W]\$&quot;<br>
+<br>
+You can make that permanent by putting it in your .bash_profile, where<br>
+it should override the other at your next login, but really, it is only<br>
+a workaround.<br>
+<br>
+With so many issues, I would do a full reinstall, but more knowledgeable<br>
+people tell me it is the easy way out.<br>
+<br>
+HTH,<br>
+<br>
+Doug.<br>
+</blockquote>
+Yes, all the commands have execute permission.  I have been using my local bin directory for years and I have never had execute refused so this must reflect some deep system level screwup relating to lcl and maybe something in pam.d.  That is unknown country for me.<br>
+
+Until yesterday there was no lcl group, only user lcl.  The group for lcl was live, which I have<br>
+removed from my group list.  live was my primary group, now it is lcl which I added yesterday.  Ownership of my files is now lcl:lcl and in /home/lcl/bin the permissions are nearly all 755.<br>
+Note that I can chmod -x &lt;file&gt; and chmod +x &lt;file&gt; but that does not change anything.<br>
+<br>
+I notice that home now contains a &quot;live&quot; directory: /home/live, ownership lcl:lcl, containing tmp and nothing else.  Now that is weird.<br>
+<br>
+The difference in the root and user prompts is probably related to the fact that root cannot access the user&#39;s X display.  I have seen that sort of thing before when the two have been using different hostnames.  I think that root is now looking at belexeuli:0 whereas the user has for some reason reverted to localhost:0.  Attempts at using the gui by root throw up protocol errors.<br>
+
+<br>
+As you say, a reinstall looks like the best way out.  More knowledgeable people would probably know just where to look for the root of the problem(s) but even after 21 years experience of Unix and Linux I know next to nothing about access and security policies.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br><br>Maybe it was somehow mounted with the -noexec flag?<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Cheers<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+Len<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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+grip, but I can&#39;t get the configuration right. �I have installed the<br>
+fluendo mp3 codec (it seemed to install, anyway). �I don&#39;t recall<br>
+having to do anything more than that in the past. �Am I still missing<br>
+a package?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Dunno.<br>The last time I ripped a CD I think I used Amarok...<br>But the simplest way to do it would definitely be to use ffmpeg.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+Anne<br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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+I have an audio CD that I want to rip to mp3. �My favourite ripper is<br>
+grip, but I can&#39;t get the configuration right. �I have installed the<br>
+fluendo mp3 codec (it seemed to install, anyway). �I don&#39;t recall<br>
+having to do anything more than that in the past. �Am I still missing<br>
+a package?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Dunno.<br>The last time I ripped a CD I think I used Amarok...<br>But the simplest way to do it would definitely be to use ffmpeg.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+Anne<br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM, blind Pete <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:0123peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">0123peter@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">Patricia Fraser wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi folks,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;d like to propose a new feature for Mageia 3 - an accessible install<br>
+&gt; with access tools on from startup. The feature proposal is here:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accessibility" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accessibility</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This feature will depend on people being interested in joining in the<br>
+&gt; effort - if that&#39;s you, add your name on that page somewhere, so we can<br>
+&gt; see whether to go ahead.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+</div>Silly question, but how do you sign up to the wiki?<br></blockquote><div><br>You sign up at <a href="https://identity.mageia.org/">https://identity.mageia.org/</a>.<br>Then on the wiki hit the Log In link, and use the name and password you gave on Identity.<br>
+Make sure that the pulldown menu is set to ldap (should be by default).<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+BTW a couple of links have extra characters on the end, so<br>
+they do not work.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+blind Pete<br>
+Sig goes here...<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 10:33 AM, blind Pete <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:0123peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">0123peter@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">Patricia Fraser wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Hi folks,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;d like to propose a new feature for Mageia 3 - an accessible install<br>
+&gt; with access tools on from startup. The feature proposal is here:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accessibility" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Accessibility</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; This feature will depend on people being interested in joining in the<br>
+&gt; effort - if that&#39;s you, add your name on that page somewhere, so we can<br>
+&gt; see whether to go ahead.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+</div>Silly question, but how do you sign up to the wiki?<br></blockquote><div><br>You sign up at <a href="https://identity.mageia.org/">https://identity.mageia.org/</a>.<br>Then on the wiki hit the Log In link, and use the name and password you gave on Identity.<br>
+Make sure that the pulldown menu is set to ldap (should be by default).<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+BTW a couple of links have extra characters on the end, so<br>
+they do not work.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+blind Pete<br>
+Sig goes here...<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<p><br>
+Le 14 juin 2012 14:50, &quot;Gary Montalbine&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I was using Amarok as a player for my music files. After an upgrade to Mageia2 it would stop at each song in the folder. Had to continually restart each song. Found Guayadeque in the repositories. Works great. Thanks developers.<br>
+
+&gt; Gary</p>
+<p>Hi Gary, from all players i have used i prefer clementine, you can try it.</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 14 juin 2012 14:50, &quot;Gary Montalbine&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I was using Amarok as a player for my music files. After an upgrade to Mageia2 it would stop at each song in the folder. Had to continually restart each song. Found Guayadeque in the repositories. Works great. Thanks developers.<br>
+
+&gt; Gary</p>
+<p>Hi Gary, from all players i have used i prefer clementine, you can try it.</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/15 Diego Bello <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com" target="_blank">dbello@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Gary Montalbine &lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; I was using Amarok as a player for my music files. After an upgrade to<br>
+&gt; Mageia2 it would stop at each song in the folder. Had to continually restart<br>
+&gt; each song. Found Guayadeque in the repositories. Works great. Thanks<br>
+&gt; developers.<br>
+&gt; Gary<br>
+<br>
+The same happens to me but only with ogg songs. With mp3 I have no<br>
+problems at all.<br>
+If the same happens to you, let&#39;s report a bug.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Diego Bello Carreño<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">i think that amarok needs xine as phonon backend<br><br>Clementine uses gstreamer , and can benefits crossfade between songs for that (xine does nt support any more crossfade)<br>
+-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/15 Diego Bello <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com" target="_blank">dbello@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Gary Montalbine &lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; I was using Amarok as a player for my music files. After an upgrade to<br>
+&gt; Mageia2 it would stop at each song in the folder. Had to continually restart<br>
+&gt; each song. Found Guayadeque in the repositories. Works great. Thanks<br>
+&gt; developers.<br>
+&gt; Gary<br>
+<br>
+The same happens to me but only with ogg songs. With mp3 I have no<br>
+problems at all.<br>
+If the same happens to you, let&#39;s report a bug.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Diego Bello Carreño<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all">i think that amarok needs xine as phonon backend<br><br>Clementine uses gstreamer , and can benefits crossfade between songs for that (xine does nt support any more crossfade)<br>
+-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p><br>
+Le 15 juin 2012 16:42, &quot;Kristoffer Grundstr�m&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt; a �crit�:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I haven&#39;t found any way to start the Mageia-installation to choose which kernel to install instead of the standard.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There are differences between desktop and netbook-kernels, right?</p>
+<p>Right.</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 15 juin 2012 16:42, &quot;Kristoffer Grundstr�m&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt; a �crit�:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I haven&#39;t found any way to start the Mageia-installation to choose which kernel to install instead of the standard.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There are differences between desktop and netbook-kernels, right?</p>
+<p>Right.</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 15 juin 2012 12:00, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i think that amarok needs xine as phonon backend<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Clementine uses gstreamer , and can benefits crossfade between songs for that (xine does nt support any more crossfade)</p>
+<p>Xine backend is dead upstream, so you should use either the gstreamer backend or the vlc one.</p>
+<p>Regards,</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 15 juin 2012 12:00, &quot;Dimitrios Glentadakis&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:dglent@gmail.com">dglent@gmail.com</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i think that amarok needs xine as phonon backend<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Clementine uses gstreamer , and can benefits crossfade between songs for that (xine does nt support any more crossfade)</p>
+<p>Xine backend is dead upstream, so you should use either the gstreamer backend or the vlc one.</p>
+<p>Regards,</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/15 Gary Montalbine <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net" target="_blank">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+On 06/15/2012 12:43 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Στις 14/06/2012 21:38:05 Gary Montalbine έγραψε:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Korganizer does not work in M2. The solution in the basic forum did not<br>
+solve the problem. Does anyone know of a simple calendar program that<br>
+shows appointments?<br>
+Thanks, Gary<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Do you have a link to the discussion in the forum ?<br>
+<br>
+I use korganizer, without any problem (or better, with all problems solved)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Here is the link I looked at:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=2672&amp;p=19764&amp;hilit=korganizer#p19764" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/<u></u>viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=2672&amp;p=<u></u>19764&amp;hilit=korganizer#p19764</a><br>
+
+<br>
+I searched korganizer in the forum and found a couple of others that didn&#39;t seem appropriate.<br>
+<br>
+I tried different things to try and get it to work. I reinstalled it a few times and deleted it in .kde4/share/apps/korganizer. Reinstalled it from backup. It does not show appointments. I will try clcal.<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+Gary<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>It is easy to post a screenshot of korganizer ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/15 Gary Montalbine <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net" target="_blank">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+On 06/15/2012 12:43 AM, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Στις 14/06/2012 21:38:05 Gary Montalbine έγραψε:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Korganizer does not work in M2. The solution in the basic forum did not<br>
+solve the problem. Does anyone know of a simple calendar program that<br>
+shows appointments?<br>
+Thanks, Gary<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Do you have a link to the discussion in the forum ?<br>
+<br>
+I use korganizer, without any problem (or better, with all problems solved)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Here is the link I looked at:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=2672&amp;p=19764&amp;hilit=korganizer#p19764" target="_blank">https://forums.mageia.org/en/<u></u>viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=2672&amp;p=<u></u>19764&amp;hilit=korganizer#p19764</a><br>
+
+<br>
+I searched korganizer in the forum and found a couple of others that didn&#39;t seem appropriate.<br>
+<br>
+I tried different things to try and get it to work. I reinstalled it a few times and deleted it in .kde4/share/apps/korganizer. Reinstalled it from backup. It does not show appointments. I will try clcal.<br>
+Thanks,<br>
+Gary<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>It is easy to post a screenshot of korganizer ?<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p>On Jun 16, 2012 1:36 AM, &quot;JA Magallón&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 06/15/2012 08:54 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 15/06/12 19:13, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; On 06/15/2012 01:42 PM, AL13N wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Op vrijdag 15 juni 2012 16:46:03 schreef Anne Wilson:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#39;mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 192.168.0.200:/Anne,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; has dmesg something? did you have nfs in lsmod?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Shortly before release I and others noticed that a lot of basic services<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; that were converted to systemd were no longer starting automatically at<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; boot. I thought that it was fixed, but you might check to see that NFS<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; has actually been started.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Combining replies:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Sander:  nfs-utils-clients wasn&#39;t installed on the misbehaving laptop. After installation, all the 192.168.0.40 mounts work, the 192.168.0.200 ones don&#39;t.  More digging to be done.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The errors for those two are:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &#39;mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking.<br>
+&gt;&gt; mount.nfs: Either use &#39;-o nolock&#39; to keep locks local, or start statd.<br>
+&gt;&gt; mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified&#39;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Not sure what I have to do about statd - my efforts don&#39;t seem to have achieved much.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; AL113N: &#39;useer&#39; is a red herring :-)  I was typing what I could see on the netbook screen.  This is a new install and I hadn&#39;t slowed down the keyboard repeat - doing that now.  dmesg didn&#39;t have anything to say, and nfs is in lsmod.<br>
+
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Frank: since the 192.168.0.40 mounts are now working, I think we can assume that nfs is started.  Or maybe not - nfs-common.service is reported as loaded but dead.  I&#39;ve restarted it, but it has no effect on the troublesome mounts.<br>
+
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In the failing box, try<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; systemctl start nfs.target<br>
+&gt; systemctl start nfs-server.service<br>
+Why start server on client side?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If after that mounts work, check all your boxes and re-do something like<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; systemctl enable nfs.tartget<br>
+&gt; systemctl enable nfs-server.service<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Problem: after conversion from sysvinit to systemd, nfs is not enabled even<br>
+&gt; if it was before. I suppose this will be fixed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And don&#39;t worry about nfs-common.service. It is dead and removed, but some<br>
+&gt; other services reference it so it appears in listings. I suppose its references<br>
+&gt; will be completely removed in next packages... but it doesn&#39;t hurt<br>
+&gt; (apart your eyes).<br>
+For me (on mga2) nfs-common is the service that starts rpc.statd - so i wouldn&#39;t call it a dead thing yet, seems to be pretty much needed.</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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+<p>On Jun 16, 2012 1:36 AM, &quot;JA Magallón&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jamagallon@ono.com">jamagallon@ono.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 06/15/2012 08:54 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On 15/06/12 19:13, Frank Griffin wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; On 06/15/2012 01:42 PM, AL13N wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Op vrijdag 15 juni 2012 16:46:03 schreef Anne Wilson:<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &#39;mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 192.168.0.200:/Anne,<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; has dmesg something? did you have nfs in lsmod?<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Shortly before release I and others noticed that a lot of basic services<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; that were converted to systemd were no longer starting automatically at<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; boot. I thought that it was fixed, but you might check to see that NFS<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; has actually been started.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Combining replies:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Sander:  nfs-utils-clients wasn&#39;t installed on the misbehaving laptop. After installation, all the 192.168.0.40 mounts work, the 192.168.0.200 ones don&#39;t.  More digging to be done.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The errors for those two are:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &#39;mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking.<br>
+&gt;&gt; mount.nfs: Either use &#39;-o nolock&#39; to keep locks local, or start statd.<br>
+&gt;&gt; mount.nfs: an incorrect mount option was specified&#39;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Not sure what I have to do about statd - my efforts don&#39;t seem to have achieved much.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; AL113N: &#39;useer&#39; is a red herring :-)  I was typing what I could see on the netbook screen.  This is a new install and I hadn&#39;t slowed down the keyboard repeat - doing that now.  dmesg didn&#39;t have anything to say, and nfs is in lsmod.<br>
+
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Frank: since the 192.168.0.40 mounts are now working, I think we can assume that nfs is started.  Or maybe not - nfs-common.service is reported as loaded but dead.  I&#39;ve restarted it, but it has no effect on the troublesome mounts.<br>
+
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; In the failing box, try<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; systemctl start nfs.target<br>
+&gt; systemctl start nfs-server.service<br>
+Why start server on client side?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If after that mounts work, check all your boxes and re-do something like<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; systemctl enable nfs.tartget<br>
+&gt; systemctl enable nfs-server.service<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Problem: after conversion from sysvinit to systemd, nfs is not enabled even<br>
+&gt; if it was before. I suppose this will be fixed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; And don&#39;t worry about nfs-common.service. It is dead and removed, but some<br>
+&gt; other services reference it so it appears in listings. I suppose its references<br>
+&gt; will be completely removed in next packages... but it doesn&#39;t hurt<br>
+&gt; (apart your eyes).<br>
+For me (on mga2) nfs-common is the service that starts rpc.statd - so i wouldn&#39;t call it a dead thing yet, seems to be pretty much needed.</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 17 juin 2012 17:59, &quot;Anne Wilson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org">annew@kde.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+&gt; Hash: SHA1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 15/06/12 16:00, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; 2012/6/15 Diego Bello &lt;<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com">dbello@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com">dbello@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Gary Montalbine<br>
+&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I was using Amarok as a player for my music files. After an<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; upgrade to Mageia2 it would stop at each song in the folder. Had<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; to<br>
+&gt; &gt; continually restart<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; each song. Found Guayadeque in the repositories. Works great.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks developers. Gary<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; The same happens to me but only with ogg songs. With mp3 I have no<br>
+&gt; &gt; problems at all. If the same happens to you, let&#39;s report a bug.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; -- Diego Bello Carreño<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; i think that amarok needs xine as phonon backend<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Clementine uses gstreamer , and can benefits crossfade between<br>
+&gt; &gt; songs for that (xine does nt support any more crossfade)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think you are mistaken about amarok&#39;s backend.  As far as I know,<br>
+&gt; xine is the least likely to work.  Whether gstreamer or vlc backend is<br>
+&gt; best seems to depend on your hardware.  On one of my installations<br>
+&gt; gstreamer works best, on another vlc works best.  It really seems to<br>
+&gt; be a case of trial and error.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
+&gt; Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)<br>
+&gt; Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <a href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; iEYEARECAAYFAk/d/uAACgkQj93fyh4cnBemjACfZZ/kO3uRipLCx+/mcDfjipIe<br>
+&gt; cSIAmwU/UMne86TJ9E8Cbk8Ttb+UTZ60<br>
+&gt; =bZjM<br>
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+<p>I dont know for today, as i dont use any more Amarok since Clementine has be released. I remember that to have amarok working with mp3 we needed to install the phonon-xine backend. And after this : <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178184">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178184</a> i said bye bye to amarok for the great clementine. </p>
+
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+<p><br>
+Le 17 juin 2012 17:59, &quot;Anne Wilson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org">annew@kde.org</a>&gt; a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+&gt; Hash: SHA1<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 15/06/12 16:00, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; 2012/6/15 Diego Bello &lt;<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com">dbello@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:dbello@gmail.com">dbello@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Gary Montalbine<br>
+&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:gmontalbine@cox.net">gmontalbine@cox.net</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; I was using Amarok as a player for my music files. After an<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; upgrade to Mageia2 it would stop at each song in the folder. Had<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; to<br>
+&gt; &gt; continually restart<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; each song. Found Guayadeque in the repositories. Works great.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Thanks developers. Gary<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; The same happens to me but only with ogg songs. With mp3 I have no<br>
+&gt; &gt; problems at all. If the same happens to you, let&#39;s report a bug.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Regards,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; -- Diego Bello Carreño<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; i think that amarok needs xine as phonon backend<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Clementine uses gstreamer , and can benefits crossfade between<br>
+&gt; &gt; songs for that (xine does nt support any more crossfade)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think you are mistaken about amarok&#39;s backend.  As far as I know,<br>
+&gt; xine is the least likely to work.  Whether gstreamer or vlc backend is<br>
+&gt; best seems to depend on your hardware.  On one of my installations<br>
+&gt; gstreamer works best, on another vlc works best.  It really seems to<br>
+&gt; be a case of trial and error.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
+&gt; Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)<br>
+&gt; Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <a href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; iEYEARECAAYFAk/d/uAACgkQj93fyh4cnBemjACfZZ/kO3uRipLCx+/mcDfjipIe<br>
+&gt; cSIAmwU/UMne86TJ9E8Cbk8Ttb+UTZ60<br>
+&gt; =bZjM<br>
+&gt; -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br></p>
+<p>I dont know for today, as i dont use any more Amarok since Clementine has be released. I remember that to have amarok working with mp3 we needed to install the phonon-xine backend. And after this : <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178184">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178184</a> i said bye bye to amarok for the great clementine. </p>
+
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+<p>I installed it using alien with the Ubuntu package and works perfectly.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 17, 2012 3:08 PM, &quot;R�mi Verschelde&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:remi@verschelde.fr">remi@verschelde.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/6/17 Erik Jan &lt;<a href="mailto:ejvwaasdijk@msn.com">ejvwaasdijk@msn.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I tried the static version, as I always did in Mandriva. The new version<br>
+&gt; does not work, because of a missing libtiff.so.4.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I do not know what to do about it. It seems Mageia does not have this file<br>
+&gt; in the repo&#39;s.<br>
+<br>
+I found libtiff5 in Mageia 2&#39;s repositories:<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.madb.org/package/show/application/0/name/libtiff5" target="_blank">http://mageia.madb.org/package/show/application/0/name/libtiff5</a><br>
+Maybe you can just create a symbolic link if /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4 is<br>
+missing but you have a /usr/lib/libtiff.so.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+R�mi<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>I installed it using alien with the Ubuntu package and works perfectly.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 17, 2012 3:08 PM, &quot;R�mi Verschelde&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:remi@verschelde.fr">remi@verschelde.fr</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+2012/6/17 Erik Jan &lt;<a href="mailto:ejvwaasdijk@msn.com">ejvwaasdijk@msn.com</a>&gt;:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I tried the static version, as I always did in Mandriva. The new version<br>
+&gt; does not work, because of a missing libtiff.so.4.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I do not know what to do about it. It seems Mageia does not have this file<br>
+&gt; in the repo&#39;s.<br>
+<br>
+I found libtiff5 in Mageia 2&#39;s repositories:<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.madb.org/package/show/application/0/name/libtiff5" target="_blank">http://mageia.madb.org/package/show/application/0/name/libtiff5</a><br>
+Maybe you can just create a symbolic link if /usr/lib/libtiff.so.4 is<br>
+missing but you have a /usr/lib/libtiff.so.<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+R�mi<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Erik Jan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ejvwaasdijk@msn.com" target="_blank">ejvwaasdijk@msn.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Chopin Sébastien had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 17-06-12 19:47:<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Skype 4.0 for linux is out :<br>
+<a href="http://www.skype.com/intl/fr/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/" target="_blank">http://www.skype.com/intl/fr/<u></u>get-skype/on-your-computer/<u></u>linux/</a><br>
+<br>
+Anybody can compile it for Mageia 2 instead the old version 2.0 ?<br>
+<br>
+Sébastien<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+I tried the static version, as I always did in Mandriva. The new version does not work, because of a missing libtiff.so.4.<br></blockquote><div><br>I faced the same problem, but the dynamic version seems to work(*).<br><br>
+(*) I said seems to work because in my machine the gnome session crashes as soon as I try to open skype&#39;s configuration window, but this is something that was also happening with the previous version and also happens with other applications (e.g. calibre). I think the problem comes from my installation and not from skype or calibre. I&#39;ll treat the problem in a separate thread as soon as I get more information.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I do not know what to do about it. It seems Mageia does not have this file in the repo&#39;s.<br>
+<br>
+Greetings,<br>
+<br>
+Erik Jan.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Erik Jan <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ejvwaasdijk@msn.com" target="_blank">ejvwaasdijk@msn.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Chopin Sébastien had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 17-06-12 19:47:<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hello,<br>
+<br>
+Skype 4.0 for linux is out :<br>
+<a href="http://www.skype.com/intl/fr/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/" target="_blank">http://www.skype.com/intl/fr/<u></u>get-skype/on-your-computer/<u></u>linux/</a><br>
+<br>
+Anybody can compile it for Mageia 2 instead the old version 2.0 ?<br>
+<br>
+Sébastien<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+I tried the static version, as I always did in Mandriva. The new version does not work, because of a missing libtiff.so.4.<br></blockquote><div><br>I faced the same problem, but the dynamic version seems to work(*).<br><br>
+(*) I said seems to work because in my machine the gnome session crashes as soon as I try to open skype&#39;s configuration window, but this is something that was also happening with the previous version and also happens with other applications (e.g. calibre). I think the problem comes from my installation and not from skype or calibre. I&#39;ll treat the problem in a separate thread as soon as I get more information.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I do not know what to do about it. It seems Mageia does not have this file in the repo&#39;s.<br>
+<br>
+Greetings,<br>
+<br>
+Erik Jan.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Marja van Waes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 18-06-12 11:03, blind Pete wrote:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+R�mi Verschelde wrote:<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+If you forgot your password I think you can reset it here:<br>
+<a href="https://identity.mageia.org/forgot_password" target="_blank">https://identity.mageia.org/<u></u>forgot_password</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Still no success. �I&#39;ve reset it twice and I still can&#39;t log on<br>
+to the wiki. �Am I supposed to be able to go here,<br>
+&lt;<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Non-free_DVD_iso" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Feature:Non-free_DVD_iso</a>&gt; �and<br>
+click on &quot;Log in&quot;? �It complains about &quot;incorrect password&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+I can log in to bugzilla, with the new password.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Yes, you should be able to log in there.<br>
+<br>
+Do you have an underscore in your nick?<br></blockquote><div><br>If I am not mistaken Mediawiki treats underscores as spaces, so trying a username with an underscore in it with a space instead of an underscore might work.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+The wiki doesn&#39;t recognise underscores<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia.org_user_account#My_username_doesn.27t_work" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Mageia.org_user_account#My_<u></u>username_doesn.27t_work</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Marja van Waes <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marja11@xs4all.nl" target="_blank">marja11@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 18-06-12 11:03, blind Pete wrote:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+R�mi Verschelde wrote:<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+If you forgot your password I think you can reset it here:<br>
+<a href="https://identity.mageia.org/forgot_password" target="_blank">https://identity.mageia.org/<u></u>forgot_password</a><br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Still no success. �I&#39;ve reset it twice and I still can&#39;t log on<br>
+to the wiki. �Am I supposed to be able to go here,<br>
+&lt;<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Non-free_DVD_iso" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Feature:Non-free_DVD_iso</a>&gt; �and<br>
+click on &quot;Log in&quot;? �It complains about &quot;incorrect password&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+I can log in to bugzilla, with the new password.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Yes, you should be able to log in there.<br>
+<br>
+Do you have an underscore in your nick?<br></blockquote><div><br>If I am not mistaken Mediawiki treats underscores as spaces, so trying a username with an underscore in it with a space instead of an underscore might work.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+The wiki doesn&#39;t recognise underscores<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia.org_user_account#My_username_doesn.27t_work" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Mageia.org_user_account#My_<u></u>username_doesn.27t_work</a><br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/18 José Alberto Valle Cid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:j.alberto.vc@gmail.com" target="_blank">j.alberto.vc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+BlogDrake is proudly to announce the update of its tool GetRepoDrake,<br>
+GetRepoDrake is a tool to list and easily set up community maintained<br>
+repositories,<br>
+ similar to easyurpmi.<br>
+<br>
+This time the tool supports Mandriva and Mageia distributions, and<br>
+also the list of repositories has been updated.<br>
+<br>
+As always, GetRepoDrake has 2 versions, one embedded in blogdrake (<br>
+<a href="http://blogdrake.net/node/20623" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/node/20623</a> )  and one external (<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake" target="_blank">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake</a> )<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to make suggestions, comments or ask to add a repository not<br>
+listed in any of the 2 supported distributions :)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Congratulations to the Spanish community.<br><br>I would like to ask if someone knows how to do a tool to search to all communities repositories, without having install them in the system.<br><br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/18 José Alberto Valle Cid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:j.alberto.vc@gmail.com" target="_blank">j.alberto.vc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+BlogDrake is proudly to announce the update of its tool GetRepoDrake,<br>
+GetRepoDrake is a tool to list and easily set up community maintained<br>
+repositories,<br>
+ similar to easyurpmi.<br>
+<br>
+This time the tool supports Mandriva and Mageia distributions, and<br>
+also the list of repositories has been updated.<br>
+<br>
+As always, GetRepoDrake has 2 versions, one embedded in blogdrake (<br>
+<a href="http://blogdrake.net/node/20623" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/node/20623</a> )  and one external (<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake" target="_blank">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake</a> )<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to make suggestions, comments or ask to add a repository not<br>
+listed in any of the 2 supported distributions :)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br>Congratulations to the Spanish community.<br><br>I would like to ask if someone knows how to do a tool to search to all communities repositories, without having install them in the system.<br><br>
+<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:02 PM, José Alberto Valle Cid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:j.alberto.vc@gmail.com" target="_blank">j.alberto.vc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+BlogDrake is proudly to announce the update of its tool GetRepoDrake,<br>
+GetRepoDrake is a tool to list and easily set up community maintained<br>
+repositories,<br>
+ similar to easyurpmi.<br>
+<br>
+This time the tool supports Mandriva and Mageia distributions, and<br>
+also the list of repositories has been updated.<br>
+<br>
+As always, GetRepoDrake has 2 versions, one embedded in blogdrake (<br>
+<a href="http://blogdrake.net/node/20623" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/node/20623</a> )  and one external (<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake" target="_blank">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake</a> )<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to make suggestions, comments or ask to add a repository not<br>
+listed in any of the 2 supported distributions :)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Very good job!<br>
+<br>
+May I suggest that the sentence &quot;Obtenga la lista de repositorios Comunitarios de Mandriva Linux.&quot; mentions also Mageia?<br><br>An a second suggestion. When choosing Mageia, instead of proposing by default version 1, I think it would be better to propose the latest (2 currently), as done for Mandriva.<br>
+<br>My 2 cents.<br>Alejandro.<br><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 11:02 PM, José Alberto Valle Cid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:j.alberto.vc@gmail.com" target="_blank">j.alberto.vc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+BlogDrake is proudly to announce the update of its tool GetRepoDrake,<br>
+GetRepoDrake is a tool to list and easily set up community maintained<br>
+repositories,<br>
+ similar to easyurpmi.<br>
+<br>
+This time the tool supports Mandriva and Mageia distributions, and<br>
+also the list of repositories has been updated.<br>
+<br>
+As always, GetRepoDrake has 2 versions, one embedded in blogdrake (<br>
+<a href="http://blogdrake.net/node/20623" target="_blank">http://blogdrake.net/node/20623</a> )  and one external (<br>
+<a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake" target="_blank">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake</a> )<br>
+<br>
+Feel free to make suggestions, comments or ask to add a repository not<br>
+listed in any of the 2 supported distributions :)<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Very good job!<br>
+<br>
+May I suggest that the sentence &quot;Obtenga la lista de repositorios Comunitarios de Mandriva Linux.&quot; mentions also Mageia?<br><br>An a second suggestion. When choosing Mageia, instead of proposing by default version 1, I think it would be better to propose the latest (2 currently), as done for Mandriva.<br>
+<br>My 2 cents.<br>Alejandro.<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/19 Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+On 18/06/12 12:26, Marc Paré wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi Anne et al:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 2012-06-18 04:53, Anne Wilson a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I dont know for today, as i dont use any more Amarok since<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Clementine has be released. I remember that to have amarok<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; working with mp3 we needed to install the phonon-xine backend.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; And after this : <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178184" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178184</a> i<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; said bye bye to amarok for the great clementine.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; To be honest I haven&#39;t used Amarok for some time.  I never really<br>
+&gt;&gt;  liked it, and like you I find Clementine much more to my taste.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I use Amarok (as do most of my &quot;clients&quot; who run either Mandriva or<br>
+&gt;  Mageia) and it does work quite well. Clementine (a fork of Amarok<br>
+&gt; 1.4) is just a stripped down version of today&#39;s Amarok. From what<br>
+&gt; I can see, the backend usage for either has not been changed so<br>
+&gt; much if at all.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If you want more of a multimedia feel, then Amarok (IMHO) is the<br>
+&gt; way to go, it is keeping pace with KDE4; if you want &quot;just a<br>
+&gt; player&quot;, then Clementine could be one of your choices.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If you have not tried Amarok in a while, then you should give it<br>
+&gt; another try. I don&#39;t think you will be disappointed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+It&#39;s full of bells and whistles that I don&#39;t use and don&#39;t want, so<br>
+yes, just a player is what I want.  I stopped using Amarok because it<br>
+was so often broken.  If that period has passed, the users will be<br>
+thankful.  When I started using Clementine I realised just how far<br>
+Amarok had moved from my particular wants and needs.  I have no<br>
+problem with the fact that so many people love it - it&#39;s just not for me.<br>
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+<br>
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+</blockquote></div><br>If you want something just simple, did you try Juk ?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/6/19 Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+Hash: SHA1<br>
+<br>
+On 18/06/12 12:26, Marc Paré wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi Anne et al:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Le 2012-06-18 04:53, Anne Wilson a écrit :<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; I dont know for today, as i dont use any more Amarok since<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; Clementine has be released. I remember that to have amarok<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; working with mp3 we needed to install the phonon-xine backend.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; And after this : <a href="https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178184" target="_blank">https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=178184</a> i<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt; said bye bye to amarok for the great clementine.<br>
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; To be honest I haven&#39;t used Amarok for some time.  I never really<br>
+&gt;&gt;  liked it, and like you I find Clementine much more to my taste.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Anne<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I use Amarok (as do most of my &quot;clients&quot; who run either Mandriva or<br>
+&gt;  Mageia) and it does work quite well. Clementine (a fork of Amarok<br>
+&gt; 1.4) is just a stripped down version of today&#39;s Amarok. From what<br>
+&gt; I can see, the backend usage for either has not been changed so<br>
+&gt; much if at all.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If you want more of a multimedia feel, then Amarok (IMHO) is the<br>
+&gt; way to go, it is keeping pace with KDE4; if you want &quot;just a<br>
+&gt; player&quot;, then Clementine could be one of your choices.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If you have not tried Amarok in a while, then you should give it<br>
+&gt; another try. I don&#39;t think you will be disappointed.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+It&#39;s full of bells and whistles that I don&#39;t use and don&#39;t want, so<br>
+yes, just a player is what I want.  I stopped using Amarok because it<br>
+was so often broken.  If that period has passed, the users will be<br>
+thankful.  When I started using Clementine I realised just how far<br>
+Amarok had moved from my particular wants and needs.  I have no<br>
+problem with the fact that so many people love it - it&#39;s just not for me.<br>
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+<br>
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+</blockquote></div><br>If you want something just simple, did you try Juk ?<br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:32 PM, José Alberto Valle Cid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:j.alberto.vc@gmail.com" target="_blank">j.alberto.vc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:28 PM, José Alberto Valle Cid<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:j.alberto.vc@gmail.com">j.alberto.vc@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; May I suggest that the sentence &quot;Obtenga la lista de repositorios<br>
+&gt;&gt; Comunitarios de Mandriva Linux.&quot; mentions also Mageia?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I forgot to check that, i fix as quick as possible, sorry for that :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Fixed<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;&gt; An a second suggestion. When choosing Mageia, instead of proposing by<br>
+&gt;&gt; default version 1, I think it would be better to propose the latest (2<br>
+&gt;&gt; currently), as done for Mandriva.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Fixed<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Excellent. Thank you very much.<br><br><br>
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+On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 9:32 PM, José Alberto Valle Cid <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:j.alberto.vc@gmail.com" target="_blank">j.alberto.vc@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:28 PM, José Alberto Valle Cid<br>
+&lt;<a href="mailto:j.alberto.vc@gmail.com">j.alberto.vc@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; May I suggest that the sentence &quot;Obtenga la lista de repositorios<br>
+&gt;&gt; Comunitarios de Mandriva Linux.&quot; mentions also Mageia?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I forgot to check that, i fix as quick as possible, sorry for that :)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div>Fixed<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;&gt; An a second suggestion. When choosing Mageia, instead of proposing by<br>
+&gt;&gt; default version 1, I think it would be better to propose the latest (2<br>
+&gt;&gt; currently), as done for Mandriva.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Fixed<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>Excellent. Thank you very much.<br><br><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 27 June 2012 17:22:18 isadora wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 06/27/2012 05:09 PM, AL13N wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; is this some kind of scottish?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yeah, it's called Irish, well not Gaelic that is, i hope. ;)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sounded Scots to me.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 27 June 2012 17:22:18 isadora wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 06/27/2012 05:09 PM, AL13N wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; is this some kind of scottish?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Yeah, it's called Irish, well not Gaelic that is, i hope. ;)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Sounded Scots to me.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 30 juin 2012 16:49, &quot;Claire Robinson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt; a �crit�:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 28/06/12 15:45, Claire Robinson wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some of you may be aware of the current shortage of contributors in QA.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Since the release of Mageia 2 our workload has doubled and we are<br>
+&gt;&gt; struggling to stay on top of it.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;d like to appeal to you all, if you can find some time, to consider<br>
+&gt;&gt; joining the QA team and helping to make Mageia!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; You don&#39;t have to be a guru to do useful QA so it is a good way for<br>
+&gt;&gt; people of all experience levels to contribute to the community. We are<br>
+&gt;&gt; all ages and from all over the world, united by a common cause.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We have a documented procedure to follow and are more than willing to<br>
+&gt;&gt; offer some informal mentoring until you feel comfortable with what you<br>
+&gt;&gt; are doing. We have people of all abilities and it is a welcoming and<br>
+&gt;&gt; friendly, albeit small, team - so please don&#39;t be shy or think your<br>
+&gt;&gt; contribution would be meaningless. We need all the help we can get!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As you may know, the long rumoured backport medias will be opening<br>
+&gt;&gt; before too long (hopefully!) and it will be our job in QA to test<br>
+&gt;&gt; backported packages then, aswell as the regular updates. If you like to<br>
+&gt;&gt; test new stuff before it is released or like to learn about old stuff<br>
+&gt;&gt; you maybe never knew existed before then QA is definitely for you.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We want to ensure updates are processed in a timely fashion but our<br>
+&gt;&gt; backlog is growing longer at the moment instead of shorter. So Please,<br>
+&gt;&gt; if you would like to help, take a moment and read our wiki pages. There<br>
+&gt;&gt; is a wealth of information there. If you do decide to join then please<br>
+&gt;&gt; say Hi on the qa-discuss mailing list or on IRC, we&#39;d be very grateful<br>
+&gt;&gt; and glad to see you!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Wiki: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; IRC: #mageia-qa on <a href="http://irc.freenode.net">irc.freenode.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We will be holding regular meetings now on the IRC channel on Thursdays<br>
+&gt;&gt; at 19UTC. You are more than welcome to come and join in.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If you need any more info or guidance then please don&#39;t hesitate to ask<br>
+&gt;&gt; either on list or off.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hope to see you soon!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt;&gt; Claire (MrsB)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ping :)</p>
+<p> Ashiqur Rahman Angel (pseudo angel) would like to contribute... <br>
+</p>
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+<p><br>
+Le 30 juin 2012 16:49, &quot;Claire Robinson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt; a �crit�:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 28/06/12 15:45, Claire Robinson wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Some of you may be aware of the current shortage of contributors in QA.<br>
+&gt;&gt; Since the release of Mageia 2 our workload has doubled and we are<br>
+&gt;&gt; struggling to stay on top of it.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I&#39;d like to appeal to you all, if you can find some time, to consider<br>
+&gt;&gt; joining the QA team and helping to make Mageia!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; You don&#39;t have to be a guru to do useful QA so it is a good way for<br>
+&gt;&gt; people of all experience levels to contribute to the community. We are<br>
+&gt;&gt; all ages and from all over the world, united by a common cause.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We have a documented procedure to follow and are more than willing to<br>
+&gt;&gt; offer some informal mentoring until you feel comfortable with what you<br>
+&gt;&gt; are doing. We have people of all abilities and it is a welcoming and<br>
+&gt;&gt; friendly, albeit small, team - so please don&#39;t be shy or think your<br>
+&gt;&gt; contribution would be meaningless. We need all the help we can get!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; As you may know, the long rumoured backport medias will be opening<br>
+&gt;&gt; before too long (hopefully!) and it will be our job in QA to test<br>
+&gt;&gt; backported packages then, aswell as the regular updates. If you like to<br>
+&gt;&gt; test new stuff before it is released or like to learn about old stuff<br>
+&gt;&gt; you maybe never knew existed before then QA is definitely for you.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We want to ensure updates are processed in a timely fashion but our<br>
+&gt;&gt; backlog is growing longer at the moment instead of shorter. So Please,<br>
+&gt;&gt; if you would like to help, take a moment and read our wiki pages. There<br>
+&gt;&gt; is a wealth of information there. If you do decide to join then please<br>
+&gt;&gt; say Hi on the qa-discuss mailing list or on IRC, we&#39;d be very grateful<br>
+&gt;&gt; and glad to see you!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Wiki: <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team</a><br>
+&gt;&gt; IRC: #mageia-qa on <a href="http://irc.freenode.net">irc.freenode.net</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; We will be holding regular meetings now on the IRC channel on Thursdays<br>
+&gt;&gt; at 19UTC. You are more than welcome to come and join in.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; If you need any more info or guidance then please don&#39;t hesitate to ask<br>
+&gt;&gt; either on list or off.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hope to see you soon!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks<br>
+&gt;&gt; Claire (MrsB)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Ping :)</p>
+<p> Ashiqur Rahman Angel (pseudo angel) would like to contribute... <br>
+</p>
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+<font class="Apple-style-span" color="#111111" face="&#39;Lucida Grande&#39;, &#39;Lucida Sans&#39;, &#39;Lucida Sans Unicode&#39;, &#39;DejaVu Sans&#39;, Arial, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:12px;line-height:19px"><div>
+Hello,</div><div>We have finished testing in BDK repository for Mageia 2.</div><div><br></div><div>To add just visit this link�</div><div><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/drakedalfa/blogdrake">http://blogdrake.net/blog/drakedalfa/blogdrake</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>or using the tool GetRepoDrake (can be used in different languages clicking top right corner)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake/">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake/</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>We never had taken so much time and work to prepare our �repo, like at this time. We have reached a number of packages unthinkable 3 years ago when we began this adventure.</div><div>From my personal point of view, I am pleased to tell you that the vast majority of people BDK packagers team has been supporting for different tasks or ideas�and has been very rewarding to work together this time.</div>
+<div><br></div><div><div>I must say that now the idea is move all packages as possible to mageia official repos , before mageia 3 release .We are working with this now.It is not our intention be a �indispensable repository, just to have a learning platform for future packagers for �mandriva / mageia Spanish speakers.</div>
+</div><div><br></div><div>I want to thank all who have put their two cents, �packaging, managing server, or �testing from the Blogdrake forum.</div><div><br></div><div>Enjoy it !!!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
+<br></div></span></font>
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+Hello,</div><div>We have finished testing in BDK repository for Mageia 2.</div><div><br></div><div>To add just visit this link�</div><div><a href="http://blogdrake.net/blog/drakedalfa/blogdrake">http://blogdrake.net/blog/drakedalfa/blogdrake</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>or using the tool GetRepoDrake (can be used in different languages clicking top right corner)</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake/">http://ftp.blogdrake.net/RPMS/GetRepoDrake/</a></div>
+<div><br></div><div>We never had taken so much time and work to prepare our �repo, like at this time. We have reached a number of packages unthinkable 3 years ago when we began this adventure.</div><div>From my personal point of view, I am pleased to tell you that the vast majority of people BDK packagers team has been supporting for different tasks or ideas�and has been very rewarding to work together this time.</div>
+<div><br></div><div><div>I must say that now the idea is move all packages as possible to mageia official repos , before mageia 3 release .We are working with this now.It is not our intention be a �indispensable repository, just to have a learning platform for future packagers for �mandriva / mageia Spanish speakers.</div>
+</div><div><br></div><div>I want to thank all who have put their two cents, �packaging, managing server, or �testing from the Blogdrake forum.</div><div><br></div><div>Enjoy it !!!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>
+<br></div></span></font>
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+<div>The laptop hangs on boot for a while (about 3 minutes totaly) in three points.<br clear="all"></div><div>First, in the very first step, before the boot messages, i have this message:</div><div><br></div><div>udevd[210]: Error running install command for sdhci_pci</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>after some time the boot starts and it hangs when it search for the nfs server:</div><div><br></div><div>Starting /home/myriam/partage... </div><div><br></div><div>because i dont have the desktop at home now which has the nfs server, but i think that it does nt has to look out for a while to find the nfs share</div>
+<div><br></div><div>and third in this message:</div><div><br></div><div>Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit                                                                                                  [[1;31mFAILED[0m]<br>
+See &#39;systemctl status plymouth-quit-wait.service&#39; for details.  </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Linux localhost.localdomain 3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2 #1 SMP Thu May 17 16:35:38 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Do you think that it worths a bug report ?<br></div><div><br></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+Welcome to [1;36mMageia 2[0m!
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+<div>The laptop hangs on boot for a while (about 3 minutes totaly) in three points.<br clear="all"></div><div>First, in the very first step, before the boot messages, i have this message:</div><div><br></div><div>udevd[210]: Error running install command for sdhci_pci</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>after some time the boot starts and it hangs when it search for the nfs server:</div><div><br></div><div>Starting /home/myriam/partage... </div><div><br></div><div>because i dont have the desktop at home now which has the nfs server, but i think that it does nt has to look out for a while to find the nfs share</div>
+<div><br></div><div>and third in this message:</div><div><br></div><div>Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit                                                                                                  [[1;31mFAILED[0m]<br>
+See &#39;systemctl status plymouth-quit-wait.service&#39; for details.  </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Linux localhost.localdomain 3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2 #1 SMP Thu May 17 16:35:38 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux</div>
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Do you think that it worths a bug report ?<br></div><div><br></div><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+%G%Gudevd[211]: Error running install command for sdhci_pci
+
+
+Welcome to [1;36mMageia 2[0m!
+
+Starting Replay Read-Ahead Data...                                                                                                                             
+Starting Collect Read-Ahead Data...                                                                                                                            
+Starting Huge Pages File System...                                                                                                                             
+Starting Debug File System...                                                                                                                                  
+Starting POSIX Message Queue File System...                                                                                                                    
+Starting Security File System...                                                                                                                               
+Starting Set default kernel console loglevel...                                                                                                                
+Starting udev Kernel Device Manager...                                                                                                                         
+Starting udev Coldplug all Devices...                                                                                                                          
+Starting Journal Service...                                                                                                                                    
+Started Journal Service                                                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Collect Read-Ahead Data                                                                                                                        [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Set default kernel console loglevel                                                                                                            [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Replay Read-Ahead Data                                                                                                                         [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Set Up Additional Binary Formats                                                                                                               [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Apply Kernel Variables...                                                                                                                             
+Starting Load Kernel Modules...                                                                                                                                
+Started Legacy USB proc File System Setup                                                                                                              [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Load legacy module configuration...                                                                                                                   
+Starting Remount API VFS...                                                                                                                                    
+Started File System Check on Root Device                                                                                                               [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Setup Virtual Console...                                                                                                                              
+Starting Remount Root FS...                                                                                                                                    
+Started Security File System                                                                                                                           [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started POSIX Message Queue File System                                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Debug File System                                                                                                                              [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Huge Pages File System                                                                                                                         [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started udev Coldplug all Devices                                                                                                                      [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting udev Wait for Complete Device Initialization...                                                                                                       
+Started udev Kernel Device Manager                                                                                                                     [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Apply Kernel Variables                                                                                                                         [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Remount API VFS                                                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Load Kernel Modules                                                                                                                            [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started FUSE Control File System                                                                                                                       [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Configuration File System                                                                                                                      [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Remount Root FS                                                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Configure read-only root support...                                                                                                                   
+Started Setup Virtual Console                                                                                                                          [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Configure read-only root support                                                                                                               [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started udev Wait for Complete Device Initialization                                                                                                   [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Wait for storage scan...                                                                                                                              
+Started Show Plymouth Boot Screen                                                                                                                      [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Wait for storage scan                                                                                                                          [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Initialize storage subsystems (RAID, LVM, etc.)...                                                                                                    
+Failed to start Load legacy module configuration                                                                                                       [[1;31mFAILED[0m]
+See 'systemctl status fedora-loadmodules.service' for details.                                                                                                 
+Started Initialize storage subsystems (RAID, LVM, etc.)                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Initialize storage subsystems (RAID, LVM, etc.)...                                                                                                    
+Started Initialize storage subsystems (RAID, LVM, etc.)                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting File System Check on /dev/disk/by-uuid/7a8e935b-8c3b-444a-b493-85321d6674b0...                                                                        
+Starting /dev/disk/by-uuid/b7ace302-acc4-4e5e-b4fb-7debfef79803...                                                                                             
+Started /dev/disk/by-uuid/b7ace302-acc4-4e5e-b4fb-7debfef79803                                                                                         [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+systemd-fsck[716]: /dev/sda6 : propre, 20427/3735552 fichiers, 1070399/14932409 blocs
+Started File System Check on /dev/disk/by-uuid/7a8e935b-8c3b-444a-b493-85321d6674b0                                                                    [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting /home...                                                                                                                                              
+Started /home                                                                                                                                          [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Load Random Seed...                                                                                                                                   
+Starting Cleanup of /var/run and /var/lock...                                                                                                                  
+Starting Tell Plymouth To Write Out Runtime Data...                                                                                                            
+Starting Save boot dmesg content...                                                                                                                            
+Started Mark the need to relabel after reboot                                                                                                          [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Setup links in /boot for running kernel...                                                                                                            
+Started Reconfigure the system on administrator request                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Relabel all filesystems, if necessary                                                                                                          [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Reconfigure the system on administrator request...                                                                                                    
+Started Load Random Seed                                                                                                                               [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Setup links in /boot for running kernel                                                                                                        [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Tell Plymouth To Write Out Runtime Data                                                                                                        [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Save boot dmesg content                                                                                                                        [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Lancement de netprofile :  The default is the current profile.
+[145G[[1;32m  OK  [0;39m]
+Recherche de nouveaux périphériquesStarting Legacy USB proc File System...                                                                                                                        
+Started Legacy USB proc File System                                                                                                                    [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+ [145G[[1;32m  OK  [0;39m]
+Started Cleanup of /var/run and /var/lock                                                                                                              [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Recreate Volatile Files and Directories...                                                                                                            
+Started Reconfigure the system on administrator request                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Recreate Volatile Files and Directories                                                                                                        [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Restore Sound Card State...                                                                                                                           
+Starting Console System Startup Logging...                                                                                                                     
+Starting LSB: Nameserver information manager...                                                                                                                
+Starting ACPI Event Daemon...                                                                                                                                  
+Starting LSB: Enables MSEC security policy on boot...                                                                                                          
+Starting A script for an init system to set CPU frequency settings...                                                                                          
+Started A script for an init system to set CPU frequency settings                                                                                      [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting irqbalance daemon...                                                                                                                                  
+Starting Initialize hardware monitoring sensors...                                                                                                             
+Failed to start Initialize hardware monitoring sensors                                                                                                 [[1;31mFAILED[0m]
+See 'systemctl status lm_sensors.service' for details.                                                                                                         
+Starting Job spooling tools...                                                                                                                                 
+Started Job spooling tools                                                                                                                             [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Command Scheduler...                                                                                                                                  
+Started Command Scheduler                                                                                                                              [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting LSB: Advanced power management (APM) daemon...                                                                                                        
+Starting Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Stack...                                                                                                                            
+Starting LSB: Checks if a partition is close to full up...                                                                                                     
+Starting ip6tables Firewall for IPv6...                                                                                                                        
+Starting iptables Firewall for IPv4...                                                                                                                         
+Starting Sensor Information Logging...                                                                                                                         
+Starting Speech-Dispatcher an high-level device independent layer for speech synthesis....                                                                     
+Starting Login Service...                                                                                                                                      
+Starting D-Bus System Message Bus...                                                                                                                           
+Starting UPower Daemon...                                                                                                                                      
+Starting System Logging Service...                                                                                                                             
+Started Console System Startup Logging                                                                                                                 [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started ACPI Event Daemon                                                                                                                              [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Stopped systemd-kmsg-syslogd.service                                                                                                                   [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started System Logging Service                                                                                                                         [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started D-Bus System Message Bus                                                                                                                       [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting LSB: Network monitoring daemon...                                                                                                                     
+Started irqbalance daemon                                                                                                                              [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Restore Sound Card State                                                                                                                       [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started LSB: Advanced power management (APM) daemon                                                                                                    [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Sensor Information Logging                                                                                                                     [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Avahi mDNS/DNS-SD Stack                                                                                                                        [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started UPower Daemon                                                                                                                                  [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Login Service                                                                                                                                  [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Policy Manager...                                                                                                                                     
+Started LSB: Enables MSEC security policy on boot                                                                                                      [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Policy Manager                                                                                                                                 [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started Speech-Dispatcher an high-level device independent layer for speech synthesis.                                                                 [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started iptables Firewall for IPv4                                                                                                                     [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started ip6tables Firewall for IPv6                                                                                                                    [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started LSB: Network monitoring daemon                                                                                                                 [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started LSB: Nameserver information manager                                                                                                            [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting LSB: Bring up/down networking...                                                                                                                      
+Started LSB: Checks if a partition is close to full up                                                                                                 [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started LSB: Bring up/down networking                                                                                                                  [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting LSB: Wait for the hotplugged network to be up...                                                                                                      
+Started LSB: Wait for the hotplugged network to be up                                                                                                  [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Set time via NTP...                                                                                                                                   
+Starting RPC bind service...                                                                                                                                   
+Starting LSB: Information about hard drives' temperature...                                                                                                    
+Starting OpenSSH server daemon...                                                                                                                              
+Starting /etc/rc.d/rc.local Compatibility...                                                                                                                   
+Started RPC bind service                                                                                                                               [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting LSB: NFS support files common to client and server...                                                                                                 
+Started /etc/rc.d/rc.local Compatibility                                                                                                               [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit...                                                                                                              
+Started OpenSSH server daemon                                                                                                                          [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started LSB: Information about hard drives' temperature                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Started LSB: NFS support files common to client and server                                                                                             [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting /home/myriam/partage...                                                                                                                               
+Started Set time via NTP                                                                                                                               [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Network Time Service...                                                                                                                               
+Started Network Time Service                                                                                                                           [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit                                                                                                  [[1;31mFAILED[0m]
+See 'systemctl status plymouth-quit-wait.service' for details.                                                                                                 
+Started /home/myriam/partage                                                                                                                           [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Permit User Sessions...                                                                                                                               
+Started Permit User Sessions                                                                                                                           [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
+Starting Display Manager...                                                                                                                                    
+Started Display Manager                                                                                                                                [[1;32m  OK  [0m]
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+MGA2 x86_64, Gnome<br>
+Nvidia graphics, latest proprietary driver from the MGA non-free repo<br>
+All updates.<br>
+<br>
+1. Gnome starts new session out of the blue<br>
+<br>
+Today I was editing a document in gedit. Other open applications were<br>
+chromium-browser and gkrellm. Suddenly out of the blue in the middle<br>
+of writing a word the screen changed to a new session, screen with GDM<br>
+showing). Logging in again no application was saved, work lost as well<br>
+as 2 tabs in the browser where I did not save the URLs yet. syslog<br>
+shows a Gnome session I/O failure before the session switch:<br>
+<br>
+ - Jul  6 07:28:49 marvin-1 gnome-session[2301]: Gdk-WARNING:<br>
+gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (ressource temporarily not available)<br>
+on X server :0.<br>
+<br>
+After session restart a long list of &quot;DEBUG&quot; messages followed. No<br>
+errors reported in that list.<br></blockquote><div><br>For this part of your problem, I guess you are hitting this bug:<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585</a><br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+2. Occasional system deep freeze<br>
+<br>
+Starting some time ago and occurring last time yesterday I get a deep<br>
+freeze (only SysRq keys for forced reboot working). Inquiring I found<br>
+this message in syslog:<br>
+<br>
+ - Jul  5 13:27:42 marvin-1 kernel: [10565.322087] NVRM: GPU at<br>
+0000:01:00.0 has fallen off the bus.<br>
+<br>
+man-draker in the German forum pointed me to<br>
+<a href="http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/" target="_blank">http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/</a><br>
+which talks about persistence mode of nvidia-smi. The persistence mode<br>
+is disabled by default. Switched it to &quot;enabled&quot; but I am not sure if<br>
+this is the true culprit - the same error should have come up more<br>
+often and on other people&#39;s machines as well if this setting was the<br>
+culprit, right?<br>
+<br>
+Another idea was offered by doktor5000:<br>
+&quot;It could be some malfunction of systemd and you could ask Colin about it&quot;. :)<br>
+<br>
+Additional information: the freeze is not caused by faulty memory, I<br>
+let memtest run over nicht for 8 hours, no errors.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 9:56 AM, Wolfgang Bornath <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:molch.b@googlemail.com" target="_blank">molch.b@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+MGA2 x86_64, Gnome<br>
+Nvidia graphics, latest proprietary driver from the MGA non-free repo<br>
+All updates.<br>
+<br>
+1. Gnome starts new session out of the blue<br>
+<br>
+Today I was editing a document in gedit. Other open applications were<br>
+chromium-browser and gkrellm. Suddenly out of the blue in the middle<br>
+of writing a word the screen changed to a new session, screen with GDM<br>
+showing). Logging in again no application was saved, work lost as well<br>
+as 2 tabs in the browser where I did not save the URLs yet. syslog<br>
+shows a Gnome session I/O failure before the session switch:<br>
+<br>
+ - Jul  6 07:28:49 marvin-1 gnome-session[2301]: Gdk-WARNING:<br>
+gnome-session: Fatal IO error 11 (ressource temporarily not available)<br>
+on X server :0.<br>
+<br>
+After session restart a long list of &quot;DEBUG&quot; messages followed. No<br>
+errors reported in that list.<br></blockquote><div><br>For this part of your problem, I guess you are hitting this bug:<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2585</a><br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+2. Occasional system deep freeze<br>
+<br>
+Starting some time ago and occurring last time yesterday I get a deep<br>
+freeze (only SysRq keys for forced reboot working). Inquiring I found<br>
+this message in syslog:<br>
+<br>
+ - Jul  5 13:27:42 marvin-1 kernel: [10565.322087] NVRM: GPU at<br>
+0000:01:00.0 has fallen off the bus.<br>
+<br>
+man-draker in the German forum pointed me to<br>
+<a href="http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/" target="_blank">http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/debian-ubuntu-rhel-fedora-linux-nvidia-nvrm-gpu-fallen-off-bus/</a><br>
+which talks about persistence mode of nvidia-smi. The persistence mode<br>
+is disabled by default. Switched it to &quot;enabled&quot; but I am not sure if<br>
+this is the true culprit - the same error should have come up more<br>
+often and on other people&#39;s machines as well if this setting was the<br>
+culprit, right?<br>
+<br>
+Another idea was offered by doktor5000:<br>
+&quot;It could be some malfunction of systemd and you could ask Colin about it&quot;. :)<br>
+<br>
+Additional information: the freeze is not caused by faulty memory, I<br>
+let memtest run over nicht for 8 hours, no errors.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<p>NTFS has had symbolic links for a long time. I think since at least win2k, but no one used them, even MS. I don&#39;t think you could even make them with the normal tools.</p>
+<p>--Jeff</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 8, 2012 7:37 AM, &quot;Doug Laidlaw&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:laidlaws@hotkey.net.au">laidlaws@hotkey.net.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Everybody probably knows this except me :(<br>
+<br>
+Browsing my new Windows 7 installation, I noticed a lot of symbolic<br>
+links, identified by Linux as such. �AFAIK, this is new in Win7; it<br>
+wasn&#39;t there in WinXP, which I have been using.<br>
+<br>
+I have just used this advantage to get around the following problem:<br>
+<br>
+Directories with spaces can be excluded in rsnapshot, by replacing the<br>
+space with a ?, but a bug in rsync prevents directories with spaces from<br>
+being backed up at all. �In the parent Windows directory, I created a<br>
+symlink without spaces for the inaccessible sub-directory. �I was able<br>
+to create it and add it to /etc/rsnapshot.conf, and the backup proceeded<br>
+to completion. Changing the name of the subdirectory would probably have<br>
+made it unusable by its Windows app. �If Windows hadn&#39;t allowed it, I<br>
+would have put the link somewhere in Linux.<br>
+<br>
+Doug.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>NTFS has had symbolic links for a long time. I think since at least win2k, but no one used them, even MS. I don&#39;t think you could even make them with the normal tools.</p>
+<p>--Jeff</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 8, 2012 7:37 AM, &quot;Doug Laidlaw&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:laidlaws@hotkey.net.au">laidlaws@hotkey.net.au</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Everybody probably knows this except me :(<br>
+<br>
+Browsing my new Windows 7 installation, I noticed a lot of symbolic<br>
+links, identified by Linux as such. �AFAIK, this is new in Win7; it<br>
+wasn&#39;t there in WinXP, which I have been using.<br>
+<br>
+I have just used this advantage to get around the following problem:<br>
+<br>
+Directories with spaces can be excluded in rsnapshot, by replacing the<br>
+space with a ?, but a bug in rsync prevents directories with spaces from<br>
+being backed up at all. �In the parent Windows directory, I created a<br>
+symlink without spaces for the inaccessible sub-directory. �I was able<br>
+to create it and add it to /etc/rsnapshot.conf, and the backup proceeded<br>
+to completion. Changing the name of the subdirectory would probably have<br>
+made it unusable by its Windows app. �If Windows hadn&#39;t allowed it, I<br>
+would have put the link somewhere in Linux.<br>
+<br>
+Doug.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/2 Chopin Sébastien <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:contact@sebastienchopin.fr" target="_blank">contact@sebastienchopin.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 01/07/2012 11:37, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The laptop hangs on boot for a while (about 3 minutes totaly) in three points.<br>
+First, in the very first step, before the boot messages, i have this message:<br>
+<br>
+udevd[210]: Error running install command for sdhci_pci<br>
+<br>
+after some time the boot starts and it hangs when it search for the nfs server:<br>
+<br>
+Starting /home/myriam/partage...<br>
+<br>
+because i dont have the desktop at home now which has the nfs server, but i think that it does nt has to look out for a while to find the nfs share<br>
+<br>
+and third in this message:<br>
+<br>
+Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit [ [1;31mFAILED [0m]<br>
+See &#39;systemctl status plymouth-quit-wait.service&#39; for details.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Linux localhost.localdomain 3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2 #1 SMP Thu May 17 16:35:38 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Do you think that it worths a bug report ?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+I&#39;d the same error. After several searches on the web, I finalize that the problem come from graphics drivers but I couldn&#39;t solve it. I&#39;d to reinstall my Mageia.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br>
+Sébastien<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the reply, i filed a bug report here:<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6719">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6719</a></div>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/2 Chopin Sébastien <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:contact@sebastienchopin.fr" target="_blank">contact@sebastienchopin.fr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 01/07/2012 11:37, Dimitrios Glentadakis a écrit :<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+The laptop hangs on boot for a while (about 3 minutes totaly) in three points.<br>
+First, in the very first step, before the boot messages, i have this message:<br>
+<br>
+udevd[210]: Error running install command for sdhci_pci<br>
+<br>
+after some time the boot starts and it hangs when it search for the nfs server:<br>
+<br>
+Starting /home/myriam/partage...<br>
+<br>
+because i dont have the desktop at home now which has the nfs server, but i think that it does nt has to look out for a while to find the nfs share<br>
+<br>
+and third in this message:<br>
+<br>
+Failed to start Wait for Plymouth Boot Screen to Quit [ [1;31mFAILED [0m]<br>
+See &#39;systemctl status plymouth-quit-wait.service&#39; for details.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Linux localhost.localdomain 3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2 #1 SMP Thu May 17 16:35:38 UTC 2012 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Do you think that it worths a bug report ?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Dimitrios Glentadakis<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+I&#39;d the same error. After several searches on the web, I finalize that the problem come from graphics drivers but I couldn&#39;t solve it. I&#39;d to reinstall my Mageia.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+<br>
+Sébastien<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the reply, i filed a bug report here:<br clear="all"></div><div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6719">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6719</a></div>
+<br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<p>Sorry,</p>
+<p>The gmail Android app automatically top posts. I can&#39;t seem to change the behavior. I had to tell it not to include the original text just to post this.</p>
+<p>--Jeff</p>
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+<p>Sorry,</p>
+<p>The gmail Android app automatically top posts. I can&#39;t seem to change the behavior. I had to tell it not to include the original text just to post this.</p>
+<p>--Jeff</p>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/25 RICHARD WALKER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:richard.j.walker@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">richard.j.walker@ntlworld.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I feel I must register my support for Graham&#39;s position (insofar as I<br>
+understand it from the pr�cis in this thread) as I have suffered<br>
+almost in silence for years from the jarring effect of finding<br>
+mis-spellings of common words scattered willy-nilly in Mageia and<br>
+previously Mandriva installations.<br>
+<br>
+Whilst I have come to recognise that many of these instances are in<br>
+fact regarded as standard usage in the written form of another<br>
+language (a closely related fork of my native language), I do not<br>
+regard that as any sort of excuse for their persistence in an<br>
+environment I have configured to be en_GB.<br>
+<br>
+If any Mageia &quot;translators&quot; are changing colour to color or centre to<br>
+center then unless they are doing it for en_US then they are quite<br>
+simply mistaken. If they do not understand the mistake then they would<br>
+probably be better employed in some other work, not translation. If<br>
+they are not native English speakers then the mistake is<br>
+understandable (not acceptable, just understandable) but I do not<br>
+think that there can be any justification for a policy that says en_US<br>
+translations should be forced on en_GB users.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Richard<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>Well, I&#39;m not sure I do understand at all what this discussion is about but still do have some thoughts to share. It&#39;s nowhere established, of course, but still almost the rule software is &quot;written&quot; in American English. Therefore most projects have a dedicated translation team which &quot;translates&quot; software in British English. AFAIK (and I&#39;d be pleased to know I&#39;m not right) Mageia (and before Mandriva/Mandrake) sadly didn&#39;t and don&#39;t have such team though sporadically there have been some efforts or at least proposals ... Until there won&#39;t be en_GB translators for Mageia, all you get if you choose en_GB are translations in en_GB for the software which has been translated in British English (e.g. KDE or Firefox etc.)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/25 RICHARD WALKER <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:richard.j.walker@ntlworld.com" target="_blank">richard.j.walker@ntlworld.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I feel I must register my support for Graham&#39;s position (insofar as I<br>
+understand it from the pr�cis in this thread) as I have suffered<br>
+almost in silence for years from the jarring effect of finding<br>
+mis-spellings of common words scattered willy-nilly in Mageia and<br>
+previously Mandriva installations.<br>
+<br>
+Whilst I have come to recognise that many of these instances are in<br>
+fact regarded as standard usage in the written form of another<br>
+language (a closely related fork of my native language), I do not<br>
+regard that as any sort of excuse for their persistence in an<br>
+environment I have configured to be en_GB.<br>
+<br>
+If any Mageia &quot;translators&quot; are changing colour to color or centre to<br>
+center then unless they are doing it for en_US then they are quite<br>
+simply mistaken. If they do not understand the mistake then they would<br>
+probably be better employed in some other work, not translation. If<br>
+they are not native English speakers then the mistake is<br>
+understandable (not acceptable, just understandable) but I do not<br>
+think that there can be any justification for a policy that says en_US<br>
+translations should be forced on en_GB users.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Richard<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br><div>Well, I&#39;m not sure I do understand at all what this discussion is about but still do have some thoughts to share. It&#39;s nowhere established, of course, but still almost the rule software is &quot;written&quot; in American English. Therefore most projects have a dedicated translation team which &quot;translates&quot; software in British English. AFAIK (and I&#39;d be pleased to know I&#39;m not right) Mageia (and before Mandriva/Mandrake) sadly didn&#39;t and don&#39;t have such team though sporadically there have been some efforts or at least proposals ... Until there won&#39;t be en_GB translators for Mageia, all you get if you choose en_GB are translations in en_GB for the software which has been translated in British English (e.g. KDE or Firefox etc.)</div>
+<div><br></div><div>Marek Laane</div><div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+On 25/07/12 03:23, RICHARD WALKER wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 25/07/2012, Morgan Leijstr�m &lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; The system source and interface must be written in *one*<br>
+&gt;&gt; consistent language.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not sure I understand the imperative.<br>
+</div>&lt;snip&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; If I expect my users to be of many nationalities then I would also<br>
+&gt; expect to have to do some translating. The consistency of which you<br>
+&gt; speak comes from having the translations expected by the population<br>
+&gt; of users.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Yet surely you understand when you are told that the problem is purely<br>
+a lack of manpower. �Mageia would welcome en_GB translations.<br>
+Register to work on it.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;&gt; And the fact is that the most common used language in the system<br>
+&gt;&gt; is en_US<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Therefor it should be purified to *en_US*<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; And all other en_* should be translations.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Again we seem to differ. I hope you didn&#39;t mean &quot;purified&quot;, that&#39;s<br>
+&gt; probably just a mis-translation where something like &quot;rationalised&quot;<br>
+&gt; or &quot;simplified&quot; might have been a better choice.<br>
+<br>
+</div>No - you are wrong. �&quot;purified&quot; means to make one consistent language.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Where we really differ, though, is in regarding all languages (with<br>
+&gt; the exception of the US variant of English) as being targets for<br>
+&gt; translation. I would not discriminate against our trans-atlantic<br>
+&gt; cousins in that way. I would include their language as a valid<br>
+&gt; target for translation and then we would all be equal.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>This is utterly ridiculous. �There has to be a single &quot;core&quot; language.<br>
+�That has been chosen. �It is perfectly obvious that every other<br>
+language must then be a translation of the core. �This has nothing to<br>
+do with discrimination.<br>
+<br>
+I am English born and bred, and 72 years old. �I defend my language<br>
+whenever I think it is necessary, but your stance is not defensible.<br>
+<br>
+&lt;snip&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sensitive cultural and social use of language is much too complex<br>
+&gt; a subject for people who focus on logic to understand, especially<br>
+&gt; in a foreign language.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>How insular can you get? �No wonder the British are seen as somewhat<br>
+ridiculous. �Are you seriously suggesting that an Englishman cannot<br>
+understand the word &quot;color&quot;? �Of course not. �Please do not waste<br>
+people&#39;s time like this. �If you feel strongly that there should be an<br>
+en_GB translation of everything, then contribute to it.<br></blockquote><div><br>I am so glad that Anne said that, because she is one of the few people qualified to say what I, and probably several others, were thinking.<br>
+I grew up learning en_US, but due to one thing or another was exposed to mainly en_GB in high school. Since I have an open mind to these things, I taught myself en_GB spelling, grammar (which is slightly different when spoken) and idioms. Of course I am most comfortable in en_US, but that&#39;s not the point. The point is the mindset. This stubbornness of &quot;how darest thou dilute my native language with the vulgarities of another&quot; is very off-putting. In fact, it makes me instinctively want to retaliate in kind, and quickly degrade to name-calling and pinching. It indicates that this person does not really want to formulate any kind of change or anything. No, they just want to complain. And loudly.<br>
+Rather than jump on a soap box and pontificate to a mostly indifferent audience, why not do something about it?<br>We have all been saying over and over again that this was not done out of malice, callousness or some perverted desire to errode the British language. It was done this way to conform with well-established standards and common practice. The only thing preventing drakx tools from having certain British spellings is a lack of manpower.<br>
+Anybody and everybody is welcome to provide input, criticism and their own opinion. But what makes it constructive criticism is the way it is delivered, and what you are willing to do about it.<br>As they say in NY, put out or get out. The British translation for that would be: get down from your high horse and help out or just go away.<br>
+So please, you are welcome to join the Mageia team and provide an en_GB translation for what is missing. You are welcome to sit in silent defiance and nurse your stubbornness. But this, this angst-driven tirade? This is not welcome at all. It only generates more angst.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+- --<br>
+Need KDE help? Try<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+<a href="http://forum.kde.org" target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 1:56 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+On 25/07/12 03:23, RICHARD WALKER wrote:<br>
+&gt; On 25/07/2012, Morgan Leijstr�m &lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; The system source and interface must be written in *one*<br>
+&gt;&gt; consistent language.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;m not sure I understand the imperative.<br>
+</div>&lt;snip&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; If I expect my users to be of many nationalities then I would also<br>
+&gt; expect to have to do some translating. The consistency of which you<br>
+&gt; speak comes from having the translations expected by the population<br>
+&gt; of users.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Yet surely you understand when you are told that the problem is purely<br>
+a lack of manpower. �Mageia would welcome en_GB translations.<br>
+Register to work on it.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt;&gt; And the fact is that the most common used language in the system<br>
+&gt;&gt; is en_US<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Therefor it should be purified to *en_US*<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; And all other en_* should be translations.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Again we seem to differ. I hope you didn&#39;t mean &quot;purified&quot;, that&#39;s<br>
+&gt; probably just a mis-translation where something like &quot;rationalised&quot;<br>
+&gt; or &quot;simplified&quot; might have been a better choice.<br>
+<br>
+</div>No - you are wrong. �&quot;purified&quot; means to make one consistent language.<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; Where we really differ, though, is in regarding all languages (with<br>
+&gt; the exception of the US variant of English) as being targets for<br>
+&gt; translation. I would not discriminate against our trans-atlantic<br>
+&gt; cousins in that way. I would include their language as a valid<br>
+&gt; target for translation and then we would all be equal.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>This is utterly ridiculous. �There has to be a single &quot;core&quot; language.<br>
+�That has been chosen. �It is perfectly obvious that every other<br>
+language must then be a translation of the core. �This has nothing to<br>
+do with discrimination.<br>
+<br>
+I am English born and bred, and 72 years old. �I defend my language<br>
+whenever I think it is necessary, but your stance is not defensible.<br>
+<br>
+&lt;snip&gt;<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sensitive cultural and social use of language is much too complex<br>
+&gt; a subject for people who focus on logic to understand, especially<br>
+&gt; in a foreign language.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>How insular can you get? �No wonder the British are seen as somewhat<br>
+ridiculous. �Are you seriously suggesting that an Englishman cannot<br>
+understand the word &quot;color&quot;? �Of course not. �Please do not waste<br>
+people&#39;s time like this. �If you feel strongly that there should be an<br>
+en_GB translation of everything, then contribute to it.<br></blockquote><div><br>I am so glad that Anne said that, because she is one of the few people qualified to say what I, and probably several others, were thinking.<br>
+I grew up learning en_US, but due to one thing or another was exposed to mainly en_GB in high school. Since I have an open mind to these things, I taught myself en_GB spelling, grammar (which is slightly different when spoken) and idioms. Of course I am most comfortable in en_US, but that&#39;s not the point. The point is the mindset. This stubbornness of &quot;how darest thou dilute my native language with the vulgarities of another&quot; is very off-putting. In fact, it makes me instinctively want to retaliate in kind, and quickly degrade to name-calling and pinching. It indicates that this person does not really want to formulate any kind of change or anything. No, they just want to complain. And loudly.<br>
+Rather than jump on a soap box and pontificate to a mostly indifferent audience, why not do something about it?<br>We have all been saying over and over again that this was not done out of malice, callousness or some perverted desire to errode the British language. It was done this way to conform with well-established standards and common practice. The only thing preventing drakx tools from having certain British spellings is a lack of manpower.<br>
+Anybody and everybody is welcome to provide input, criticism and their own opinion. But what makes it constructive criticism is the way it is delivered, and what you are willing to do about it.<br>As they say in NY, put out or get out. The British translation for that would be: get down from your high horse and help out or just go away.<br>
+So please, you are welcome to join the Mageia team and provide an en_GB translation for what is missing. You are welcome to sit in silent defiance and nurse your stubbornness. But this, this angst-driven tirade? This is not welcome at all. It only generates more angst.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+- --<br>
+Need KDE help? Try<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+<a href="http://forum.kde.org" target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:58 AM, TJ <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 07/25/2012 06:34 PM, <a href="mailto:bschroeder@internode.on.net" target="_blank">bschroeder@internode.on.net</a> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wednesday 25 Jul 2012 14:39 my mailbox was graced by a message from Tony<br>
+<br>
+� � Blackwell who wrote:<br>
+� � �&gt; As an Aussie who is highly unlikely to ever see the worth<br>
+� � �&gt; vs effort of an en_AU translation,<br>
+<br>
+� � Mageia in Strine ?<br>
+<br>
+� � Shades of Afferbeck Lauder !<br>
+<br>
+� � Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+� � Ron.<br>
+<br>
+� � -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-<u></u>paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+� � (My apologies for the formatting supplied by my web-browser email<br>
+� � interface)<br>
+<br>
+� � Another little item I have discovered about various Englishes.<br>
+� � American English<br>
+� � has had a significant Irish input. �Much of Australia had a lot of<br>
+� � Irish convicts in<br>
+� � its early days and its English bears a noticeable �Irish influence<br>
+� � too, though<br>
+� � nowhere near the extent of North America. �South Australia (where I<br>
+� � am from)<br>
+� � did not have this and thus South Australian English is more directly<br>
+� � descended<br>
+� � from official 19th century English English (so far as such a beast<br>
+� � can be said<br>
+� � to exist).<br>
+<br>
+� � Brian.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+A number of Irish migrated here as a result of the infamous Potato Famine. Or so I&#39;ve been told, anyway. My own family has some Irish roots, and that&#39;s why they came here. Also there&#39;s some British, Scot, and Dutch heritage in my genes.<br>
+
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Now this is what I love.<br>How an innocuous discussion about translations and UX turns into a global history and etymology discussion.<br>Only in Mageia :)<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+And apparently, while you Aussies got the Irish convicts, we got the cops. The Irish beat cop is a cliche in many US cities, especially New York.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+TJ<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:58 AM, TJ <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 07/25/2012 06:34 PM, <a href="mailto:bschroeder@internode.on.net" target="_blank">bschroeder@internode.on.net</a> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wednesday 25 Jul 2012 14:39 my mailbox was graced by a message from Tony<br>
+<br>
+� � Blackwell who wrote:<br>
+� � �&gt; As an Aussie who is highly unlikely to ever see the worth<br>
+� � �&gt; vs effort of an en_AU translation,<br>
+<br>
+� � Mageia in Strine ?<br>
+<br>
+� � Shades of Afferbeck Lauder !<br>
+<br>
+� � Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+� � Ron.<br>
+<br>
+� � -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-<u></u>paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+� � (My apologies for the formatting supplied by my web-browser email<br>
+� � interface)<br>
+<br>
+� � Another little item I have discovered about various Englishes.<br>
+� � American English<br>
+� � has had a significant Irish input. �Much of Australia had a lot of<br>
+� � Irish convicts in<br>
+� � its early days and its English bears a noticeable �Irish influence<br>
+� � too, though<br>
+� � nowhere near the extent of North America. �South Australia (where I<br>
+� � am from)<br>
+� � did not have this and thus South Australian English is more directly<br>
+� � descended<br>
+� � from official 19th century English English (so far as such a beast<br>
+� � can be said<br>
+� � to exist).<br>
+<br>
+� � Brian.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+A number of Irish migrated here as a result of the infamous Potato Famine. Or so I&#39;ve been told, anyway. My own family has some Irish roots, and that&#39;s why they came here. Also there&#39;s some British, Scot, and Dutch heritage in my genes.<br>
+
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Now this is what I love.<br>How an innocuous discussion about translations and UX turns into a global history and etymology discussion.<br>Only in Mageia :)<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+And apparently, while you Aussies got the Irish convicts, we got the cops. The Irish beat cop is a cliche in many US cities, especially New York.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+TJ<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:45 AM, TJ <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 07/25/2012 02:52 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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+On 25/07/12 13:59, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I am so glad that Anne said that, because she is one of the few<br>
+people qualified to say what I, and probably several others, were<br>
+thinking. I grew up learning en_US, but due to one thing or another<br>
+was exposed to mainly en_GB in high school. Since I have an open<br>
+mind to these things, I taught myself en_GB spelling, grammar<br>
+(which is slightly different when spoken) and idioms. Of course I<br>
+am most comfortable in en_US, but that&#39;s not the point. The point<br>
+is the mindset.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Long ago I read that US spelling is, in fact, much closer to 18C.<br>
+British English spelling, and that the spelling we now feel to be<br>
+correct is in fact something that has developed over the recent<br>
+centuries. �That interested me.<br>
+<br>
+What really clinched things for me, though, was the concept that<br>
+writing is about communication. �The one thing that matters above all,<br>
+is whether the reader understands you. �Because of this, I sometimes<br>
+correct grammar, where I think a sentence as it stands leads to some<br>
+ambiguity. �Beyond that, as long as the meaning is clear and the<br>
+sentence not particularly clumsy, I leave well alone.<br>
+<br>
+Wobo said that his English teacher told him that few people in Britain<br>
+speak &quot;official&quot; English. �How true that is. �I would be very<br>
+surprised to find anyone that didn&#39;t have some variations, often<br>
+showing centuries of ancestral culture. �It&#39;s not accident that in<br>
+Yorkshire there are few French influences and many Norse ones. �French<br>
+barons in the 11C settled much further south than this, whereas many<br>
+Scandinavians settled here. �We have beautiful words like &quot;thoil&quot;<br>
+which no-one else understands, but for us it expresses something that<br>
+has no equivalent in &quot;official&quot; English. �You can&#39;t thoil it if you<br>
+can afford to buy something, but you don&#39;t feel it would add<br>
+sufficient value to your life. �How about all that in one word?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Might just as well add my two cents, as we say here on our side of the Pond. But for those who are sensitive to such things, please feel free to convert that to the currency of your choice.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m a native upstate New Yorker, something very different from those from that downstate city that bears the same name as our state. Native in the sense that I was born here, not that I&#39;m a &quot;Native-American.&quot; (Something many of us think is one of our problems - far too many hyphenated Americans.) I am a farmer by trade.<br>
+
+<br>
+The US is a strange place that often makes little sense. We drive on the parkway, and park on the driveway, and we are arrogant enough to call ourselves &quot;Americans,&quot; as if the US was the only country on the two continents. (Yes, I&#39;m as guilty of that as the next guy. All part of the culture.) We have several dialects, each with its own spellings of certain words, and sometimes those from one part of the country have a hard time understanding those from another. And add to that all the words we&#39;ve integrated from languages from all over the world - our infamous &quot;melting-pot&quot; at work - and you get a hopeless mess. But it&#39;s our mess, and we like it that way.<br>
+
+<br>
+BTW Anne, sorry, but to my ears &quot;thoil&quot; sounds like something someone with a lisp would say when describing a planting medium.<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+T<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+As they say in NY, put out or get out. The British translation for<br>
+that would be: get down from your high horse and help out or just<br>
+go away.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+OR &quot;Put up, or shut up&quot; :-)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+I don&#39;t remember hearing Max&#39;s version in Upstate New York. The high horse variation is older usage (My grandmother favored it. Oops. Sorry. *favoured* it.), and Anne&#39;s version is the most common here. Another version is &quot;Put your money where your mouth is.&quot;</blockquote>
+<div><br>When I say NY, there is of course only one thing I mean, The City. :P<br>And I haven&#39;t lived there for more than 20 years, so my slang might be a bit dated.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+So please, you are welcome to join the Mageia team and provide an<br>
+en_GB translation for what is missing. You are welcome to sit in<br>
+silent defiance and nurse your stubbornness. But this, this<br>
+angst-driven tirade? This is not welcome at all. It only generates<br>
+more angst.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+After a bad start, just relax. �You will be welcomed if you do give<br>
+your effort.<br>
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Lord knows I can&#39;t speak for all Americans, but for my own part I could easily adapt if British were the default language, rather than American. I have traveled to Canada and have cruised through web sites that used British spelling, and have felt no offense (Oops again. *offence,* isn&#39;t it?) at seeing it. If it will help international relations, I&#39;m more than willing to exist with spellings that look odd to me. After a while, I doubt they&#39;d still look so odd.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>That isn&#39;t even on the table for discussion. We simply cannot change the hard-coded default language in the code. We need our original programmer to do that, and chances are that even he won&#39;t be able to.<br>
+The discussion is about having an en_GB &quot;translation&quot;. Basically just a .po file that will swap out certain strings for other strings. It hasn&#39;t happened until now because of lack of manpower. But now it looks like an en_GB i18n team is getting off the ground. So we&#39;ll probably see it implemented by Mga3. Although due to the emotions involved, there may be a backport for it for Mga2.<br>
+Please note: I am not on any i18n, packaging, devel or QA team. Therefore any speculations I make about when something will be available are purely that: speculations.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Heck, you can use Cockney if you want. Sounds like fun.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+TJ<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 5:45 AM, TJ <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com" target="_blank">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 07/25/2012 02:52 PM, Anne Wilson wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+Hash: SHA1<br>
+<br>
+On 25/07/12 13:59, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I am so glad that Anne said that, because she is one of the few<br>
+people qualified to say what I, and probably several others, were<br>
+thinking. I grew up learning en_US, but due to one thing or another<br>
+was exposed to mainly en_GB in high school. Since I have an open<br>
+mind to these things, I taught myself en_GB spelling, grammar<br>
+(which is slightly different when spoken) and idioms. Of course I<br>
+am most comfortable in en_US, but that&#39;s not the point. The point<br>
+is the mindset.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Long ago I read that US spelling is, in fact, much closer to 18C.<br>
+British English spelling, and that the spelling we now feel to be<br>
+correct is in fact something that has developed over the recent<br>
+centuries. �That interested me.<br>
+<br>
+What really clinched things for me, though, was the concept that<br>
+writing is about communication. �The one thing that matters above all,<br>
+is whether the reader understands you. �Because of this, I sometimes<br>
+correct grammar, where I think a sentence as it stands leads to some<br>
+ambiguity. �Beyond that, as long as the meaning is clear and the<br>
+sentence not particularly clumsy, I leave well alone.<br>
+<br>
+Wobo said that his English teacher told him that few people in Britain<br>
+speak &quot;official&quot; English. �How true that is. �I would be very<br>
+surprised to find anyone that didn&#39;t have some variations, often<br>
+showing centuries of ancestral culture. �It&#39;s not accident that in<br>
+Yorkshire there are few French influences and many Norse ones. �French<br>
+barons in the 11C settled much further south than this, whereas many<br>
+Scandinavians settled here. �We have beautiful words like &quot;thoil&quot;<br>
+which no-one else understands, but for us it expresses something that<br>
+has no equivalent in &quot;official&quot; English. �You can&#39;t thoil it if you<br>
+can afford to buy something, but you don&#39;t feel it would add<br>
+sufficient value to your life. �How about all that in one word?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Might just as well add my two cents, as we say here on our side of the Pond. But for those who are sensitive to such things, please feel free to convert that to the currency of your choice.<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m a native upstate New Yorker, something very different from those from that downstate city that bears the same name as our state. Native in the sense that I was born here, not that I&#39;m a &quot;Native-American.&quot; (Something many of us think is one of our problems - far too many hyphenated Americans.) I am a farmer by trade.<br>
+
+<br>
+The US is a strange place that often makes little sense. We drive on the parkway, and park on the driveway, and we are arrogant enough to call ourselves &quot;Americans,&quot; as if the US was the only country on the two continents. (Yes, I&#39;m as guilty of that as the next guy. All part of the culture.) We have several dialects, each with its own spellings of certain words, and sometimes those from one part of the country have a hard time understanding those from another. And add to that all the words we&#39;ve integrated from languages from all over the world - our infamous &quot;melting-pot&quot; at work - and you get a hopeless mess. But it&#39;s our mess, and we like it that way.<br>
+
+<br>
+BTW Anne, sorry, but to my ears &quot;thoil&quot; sounds like something someone with a lisp would say when describing a planting medium.<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+T<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+As they say in NY, put out or get out. The British translation for<br>
+that would be: get down from your high horse and help out or just<br>
+go away.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+OR &quot;Put up, or shut up&quot; :-)<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+I don&#39;t remember hearing Max&#39;s version in Upstate New York. The high horse variation is older usage (My grandmother favored it. Oops. Sorry. *favoured* it.), and Anne&#39;s version is the most common here. Another version is &quot;Put your money where your mouth is.&quot;</blockquote>
+<div><br>When I say NY, there is of course only one thing I mean, The City. :P<br>And I haven&#39;t lived there for more than 20 years, so my slang might be a bit dated.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+So please, you are welcome to join the Mageia team and provide an<br>
+en_GB translation for what is missing. You are welcome to sit in<br>
+silent defiance and nurse your stubbornness. But this, this<br>
+angst-driven tirade? This is not welcome at all. It only generates<br>
+more angst.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+After a bad start, just relax. �You will be welcomed if you do give<br>
+your effort.<br>
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Lord knows I can&#39;t speak for all Americans, but for my own part I could easily adapt if British were the default language, rather than American. I have traveled to Canada and have cruised through web sites that used British spelling, and have felt no offense (Oops again. *offence,* isn&#39;t it?) at seeing it. If it will help international relations, I&#39;m more than willing to exist with spellings that look odd to me. After a while, I doubt they&#39;d still look so odd.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>That isn&#39;t even on the table for discussion. We simply cannot change the hard-coded default language in the code. We need our original programmer to do that, and chances are that even he won&#39;t be able to.<br>
+The discussion is about having an en_GB &quot;translation&quot;. Basically just a .po file that will swap out certain strings for other strings. It hasn&#39;t happened until now because of lack of manpower. But now it looks like an en_GB i18n team is getting off the ground. So we&#39;ll probably see it implemented by Mga3. Although due to the emotions involved, there may be a backport for it for Mga2.<br>
+Please note: I am not on any i18n, packaging, devel or QA team. Therefore any speculations I make about when something will be available are purely that: speculations.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Heck, you can use Cockney if you want. Sounds like fun.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+TJ<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<html><body>On Wednesday 25 Jul 2012 14:39 my mailbox was graced by a message from Tony <br /><blockquote>
+Blackwell who wrote:<br />
+&gt; As an Aussie who is highly unlikely to ever see the worth <br />
+&gt; vs effort of an en_AU translation,<br /><br />
+Mageia in Strine ?<br /><br />
+Shades of Afferbeck Lauder !<br /><br />
+Cheers,<br /><br />
+Ron.<br /><br />
+                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --<br /><br />(My apologies for the formatting supplied by my web-browser email interface)<br /><br />Another little item I have discovered about various Englishes.  American English<br />has had a significant Irish input.  Much of Australia had a lot of Irish convicts in<br />its early days and its English bears a noticeable  Irish influence too, though <br />nowhere near the extent of North America.  South Australia (where I am from)<br />did not have this and thus South Australian English is more directly descended<br />from official 19th century English English (so far as such a beast can be said<br />to exist).<br /><br />Brian.<br /></blockquote></body></html>
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+<html><body>On Wednesday 25 Jul 2012 14:39 my mailbox was graced by a message from Tony <br /><blockquote>
+Blackwell who wrote:<br />
+&gt; As an Aussie who is highly unlikely to ever see the worth <br />
+&gt; vs effort of an en_AU translation,<br /><br />
+Mageia in Strine ?<br /><br />
+Shades of Afferbeck Lauder !<br /><br />
+Cheers,<br /><br />
+Ron.<br /><br />
+                   -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org --<br /><br />(My apologies for the formatting supplied by my web-browser email interface)<br /><br />Another little item I have discovered about various Englishes.  American English<br />has had a significant Irish input.  Much of Australia had a lot of Irish convicts in<br />its early days and its English bears a noticeable  Irish influence too, though <br />nowhere near the extent of North America.  South Australia (where I am from)<br />did not have this and thus South Australian English is more directly descended<br />from official 19th century English English (so far as such a beast can be said<br />to exist).<br /><br />Brian.<br /></blockquote></body></html>
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+<p>Hi Olav,</p><p>On Jul 29, 2012 8:07 PM, &quot;Olav Vitters&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt; wrote:</p><p>
+&gt; On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 07:49:20PM -0400, Michael Hill wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; I&#39;m running Cauldron and just performed the UsrMove procedure to<br>
+&gt; &gt; permit installation of updates for the first time in a number of days.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Still, System Settings have not been runnable from the user menu for<br>
+&gt; &gt; many weeks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Works for me. Please give more details.</p>
+<p>My user menu has been messed up since Cauldron restarted... missing items, different order. I noticed a few weeks ago Suspend was missing and Power Off was in the middle of the menu. Now it&#39;s at the bottom where it belongs and Suspend is accessible with the Alt key (Suspend no longer works the way it once did, but now drains the battery).</p>
+
+<p>About two weeks ago my video driver was killed by an update, so I got the GDM background with the progress spinner but no GNOME Shell. Updating from the console corrected this after a few days.</p><p>The System Settings menu pick until recently would try to start from the menu, displaying &quot;System Settings&quot; in the app menu position on the top bar but failing. Now it doesn&#39;t even try *that* hard, it just doesn&#39;t do anything.�
+I would have sworn it could once be launched from the command line, but now�it&#39;s unrecognized.</p>
+<p>Is there some way to wipe out my configuration and start from scratch? By re-installing a package, maybe? Otherwise let me know what kind of output is needed to diagnose.</p><p>Thanks,</p><p>Mike</p><p><br></p>
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+<p>Hi Olav,</p><p>On Jul 29, 2012 8:07 PM, &quot;Olav Vitters&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:olav@vitters.nl" target="_blank">olav@vitters.nl</a>&gt; wrote:</p><p>
+&gt; On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 07:49:20PM -0400, Michael Hill wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; I&#39;m running Cauldron and just performed the UsrMove procedure to<br>
+&gt; &gt; permit installation of updates for the first time in a number of days.<br>
+&gt; &gt; Still, System Settings have not been runnable from the user menu for<br>
+&gt; &gt; many weeks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Works for me. Please give more details.</p>
+<p>My user menu has been messed up since Cauldron restarted... missing items, different order. I noticed a few weeks ago Suspend was missing and Power Off was in the middle of the menu. Now it&#39;s at the bottom where it belongs and Suspend is accessible with the Alt key (Suspend no longer works the way it once did, but now drains the battery).</p>
+
+<p>About two weeks ago my video driver was killed by an update, so I got the GDM background with the progress spinner but no GNOME Shell. Updating from the console corrected this after a few days.</p><p>The System Settings menu pick until recently would try to start from the menu, displaying &quot;System Settings&quot; in the app menu position on the top bar but failing. Now it doesn&#39;t even try *that* hard, it just doesn&#39;t do anything.�
+I would have sworn it could once be launched from the command line, but now�it&#39;s unrecognized.</p>
+<p>Is there some way to wipe out my configuration and start from scratch? By re-installing a package, maybe? Otherwise let me know what kind of output is needed to diagnose.</p><p>Thanks,</p><p>Mike</p><p><br></p>
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+          <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" align=""><tr><td align="center" valign="middle" bgcolor="#FFE86C" background="http://www.linkedin.com/scds/common/u/img/bg/yellow_button_back.png" style="background:url(http://www.linkedin.com/scds/common/u/img/bg/yellow_button_back.png) repeat-x scroll 100% 0 #FFE86C;background-color:#FFE86C;border:1px solid #E8B463;-moz-border-radius:4px;-webkit-border-radius:4px;border-radius:4px;"><div style="padding-right:10px;padding-left:10px;"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/e/pmgdfn-h5ceneew-q/isd/8073001513/o0di2vNk/?hs=false&amp;tok=1cw5sEUqmpM5k1" style="text-decoration:none;"><span style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#333333;white-space:nowrap;display:block;">Veuillez confirmer que vous connaissez Fabrice</span></a></div></td></tr></table>
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+</td><td width="1%"><table width="15" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:0px;font-size:0px;line-height:0px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table></td></tr><tr><td colspan="3"><table width="1" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:15px;font-size:15px;line-height:15px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table>
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+          <b style="font-size:16px;margin-right:12px">De Fabrice Facorat</b>
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+           <div style="color:#666666">Sysadmin chez Orange Business Services: Enablers Portal, PNS team</div>
+            <div style="color:#666666">R&#xe9;gion de Nice , France</div>
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+            <p>
+              Mageia,<br/>
+<br/>
+J'aimerais vous inviter à rejoindre mon réseau professionnel en ligne, sur le site LinkedIn.<br/>
+<br/>
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+        <table width="1" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tr><td><div style="height:12px;font-size:12px;line-height:12px;">&nbsp;</div></td></tr></table>
+          <table border="0" cellpadding="6" cellspacing="1" align=""><tr><td align="center" valign="middle" bgcolor="#FFE86C" background="http://www.linkedin.com/scds/common/u/img/bg/yellow_button_back.png" style="background:url(http://www.linkedin.com/scds/common/u/img/bg/yellow_button_back.png) repeat-x scroll 100% 0 #FFE86C;background-color:#FFE86C;border:1px solid #E8B463;-moz-border-radius:4px;-webkit-border-radius:4px;border-radius:4px;"><div style="padding-right:10px;padding-left:10px;"><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/e/pmgdfn-h5ceneew-q/isd/8073001513/o0di2vNk/?hs=false&amp;tok=1cw5sEUqmpM5k1" style="text-decoration:none;"><span style="font-size:12px;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold;color:#333333;white-space:nowrap;display:block;">Veuillez confirmer que vous connaissez Fabrice</span></a></div></td></tr></table>
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+    If someone in this list should want to install latest wine-version
+    for x86_64 before they get backported into Mageia 2 released as
+    stable I've used the Cauldron spec-file to build it against Mageia
+    2, click any of theese linked words:<br>
+    <br>
+    <a
+href="http://199.91.154.134/8mlpnuyl1xhg/davwui5zonqbrd9/wine64-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm">wine64</a><br>
+    <a
+href="http://199.91.153.76/gn4n3zowyhmg/ybcqx5nx8kt27rn/wine64-devel-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm">wine64-devel</a><br>
+    <a
+href="http://205.196.122.24/gu4u1gciti9g/615tbbdz3lnatui/wine-debug-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm">wine-debug</a><br>
+    <a
+href="http://205.196.122.24/3o1i3so62dlg/rkpc33a47klbbwb/wine-1.5.10-1.mga2.src.rpm">wine.src.rpm</a><br>
+    <br>
+    You're welcome.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    If someone in this list should want to install latest wine-version
+    for x86_64 before they get backported into Mageia 2 released as
+    stable I've used the Cauldron spec-file to build it against Mageia
+    2, click any of theese linked words:<br>
+    <br>
+    <a
+href="http://199.91.154.134/8mlpnuyl1xhg/davwui5zonqbrd9/wine64-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm">wine64</a><br>
+    <a
+href="http://199.91.153.76/gn4n3zowyhmg/ybcqx5nx8kt27rn/wine64-devel-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm">wine64-devel</a><br>
+    <a
+href="http://205.196.122.24/gu4u1gciti9g/615tbbdz3lnatui/wine-debug-1.5.10-1.mga2.x86_64.rpm">wine-debug</a><br>
+    <a
+href="http://205.196.122.24/3o1i3so62dlg/rkpc33a47klbbwb/wine-1.5.10-1.mga2.src.rpm">wine.src.rpm</a><br>
+    <br>
+    You're welcome.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi Max,<br>
+<div><div class="h5"><br>
+On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300<br>
+Max Quarterpleen &lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it&#39;s running<br>
+&gt; very hot.<br>
+&gt; Much hotter than Windows and Mga1.<br>
+&gt; Does anybody know of any way to help this?<br>
+&gt; This not only makes it uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental<br>
+&gt; effect on battery life...<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Your message is awfully short of details. What I&#39;d like to know is:<br>
+<br>
+1. What is your laptop&#39;s model and specifications?<br></blockquote><div><br>It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210.<br>Specs from manufacturer&#39;s site: <a href="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</a><br>
+(I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+2. Which desktop environment are you using?<br></blockquote><div><br>KDE 4.8.2<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+3. Which applications are you running?<br></blockquote><div><br>As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole.<br>Occasionally Dolphin, Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally heavy.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary driver?<br></blockquote><div><br>From lshw:<br>*-display<br>������������ description: VGA compatible controller<br>������������ product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller<br>
+������������ vendor: Intel Corporation<br>������������ physical id: 2<br>������������ bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0<br>������������ version: 09<br>������������ width: 64 bits<br>������������ clock: 33MHz<br>������������ capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom<br>
+������������ configuration: driver=i915 latency=0<br>������������ resources: irq:41 memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff ioport:4000(size=64)<br><br>$ modinfo video<br>filename:������ /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz<br>
+license:������� GPL<br>description:��� ACPI Video Driver<br>author:�������� Bruno Ducrot<br>srcversion:���� 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00<br>alias:��������� acpi*:LNXVIDEO:*<br>depends:������� <br>intree:�������� Y<br>vermagic:������ 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions <br>
+parm:���������� brightness_switch_enabled:bool<br>parm:���������� allow_duplicates:bool<br>parm:���������� use_bios_initial_backlight:bool<br><br>I think that answers the question.<br>Thanks.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+� � � � Shlomi Fish<br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi Max,<br>
+<div><div class="h5"><br>
+On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300<br>
+Max Quarterpleen &lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it&#39;s running<br>
+&gt; very hot.<br>
+&gt; Much hotter than Windows and Mga1.<br>
+&gt; Does anybody know of any way to help this?<br>
+&gt; This not only makes it uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental<br>
+&gt; effect on battery life...<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Your message is awfully short of details. What I&#39;d like to know is:<br>
+<br>
+1. What is your laptop&#39;s model and specifications?<br></blockquote><div><br>It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210.<br>Specs from manufacturer&#39;s site: <a href="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</a><br>
+(I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+2. Which desktop environment are you using?<br></blockquote><div><br>KDE 4.8.2<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+3. Which applications are you running?<br></blockquote><div><br>As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole.<br>Occasionally Dolphin, Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally heavy.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary driver?<br></blockquote><div><br>From lshw:<br>*-display<br>������������ description: VGA compatible controller<br>������������ product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller<br>
+������������ vendor: Intel Corporation<br>������������ physical id: 2<br>������������ bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0<br>������������ version: 09<br>������������ width: 64 bits<br>������������ clock: 33MHz<br>������������ capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom<br>
+������������ configuration: driver=i915 latency=0<br>������������ resources: irq:41 memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff ioport:4000(size=64)<br><br>$ modinfo video<br>filename:������ /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz<br>
+license:������� GPL<br>description:��� ACPI Video Driver<br>author:�������� Bruno Ducrot<br>srcversion:���� 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00<br>alias:��������� acpi*:LNXVIDEO:*<br>depends:������� <br>intree:�������� Y<br>vermagic:������ 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions <br>
+parm:���������� brightness_switch_enabled:bool<br>parm:���������� allow_duplicates:bool<br>parm:���������� use_bios_initial_backlight:bool<br><br>I think that answers the question.<br>Thanks.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+� � � � Shlomi Fish<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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+<br>
+Deletionists delete Wikipedia articles that they consider lame.<br>
+<br>
+Chuck Norris deletes Deletionists whom he considers lame.<br>
+<br>
+Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it&#39;s running very hot.<br>Much hotter than Windows and Mga1.<br>Does anybody know of any way to help this?<br>This not only makes it uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on battery life...<br>
+
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it&#39;s running very hot.<br>Much hotter than Windows and Mga1.<br>Does anybody know of any way to help this?<br>This not only makes it uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on battery life...<br>
+
+</div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+<div class="im"><br>
+On 06/08/12 11:03, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi Max,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300 Max Quarterpleen<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt; running very hot. Much hotter than Windows and Mga1. Does<br>
+&gt;&gt; anybody know of any way to help this? This not only makes it<br>
+&gt;&gt; uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on battery<br>
+&gt;&gt; life...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Your message is awfully short of details. What I&#39;d like to know<br>
+&gt; is:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1. What is your laptop&#39;s model and specifications?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210. Specs from manufacturer&#39;s<br>
+&gt; site:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/" target="_blank">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</a><br>
+&gt; (I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>I have a Toshiba Tecra, and it runs considerably cooler than my old Acer.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2. Which desktop environment are you using?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; KDE 4.8.2<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>So am I.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 3. Which applications are you running?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole. Occasionally Dolphin,<br>
+&gt; Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally<br>
+&gt; heavy.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>I would normally have a heavier load than that.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary<br>
+&gt; driver?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; From lshw: *-display description: VGA compatible controller<br>
+&gt; product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics<br>
+&gt; Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info:<br>
+&gt; pci@0000:00:02.0 version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz<br>
+&gt; capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom<br>
+&gt; configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 resources: irq:41<br>
+&gt; memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff<br>
+&gt; ioport:4000(size=64)<br>
+<br>
+�*-display<br>
+� � � � � � �description: VGA compatible controller<br>
+</div>� � � � � � �product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller<br>
+<div class="im">� � � � � � �vendor: Intel Corporation<br>
+� � � � � � �physical id: 2<br>
+� � � � � � �bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0<br>
+</div>� � � � � � �version: 12<br>
+<div class="im">� � � � � � �width: 64 bits<br>
+� � � � � � �clock: 33MHz<br>
+� � � � � � �capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom<br>
+� � � � � � �configuration: driver=i915 latency=0<br>
+</div>� � � � � � �resources: irq:41 memory:d0000000-d03fffff<br>
+memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:3058(size=8)<br>
+<br>
+Looks almost identical<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; $ modinfo video filename:<br>
+&gt; /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz<br>
+&gt; license: � � � �GPL description: � �ACPI Video Driver author: Bruno<br>
+&gt; Ducrot srcversion: � � 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00 alias:<br>
+&gt; acpi*:LNXVIDEO:* depends: intree: � � � � Y vermagic:<br>
+&gt; 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions parm:<br>
+&gt; brightness_switch_enabled:bool parm:<br>
+&gt; allow_duplicates:bool parm:<br>
+&gt; use_bios_initial_backlight:bool<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think that answers the question. Thanks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>The first thing I&#39;d suggest is going into System Settings &gt; Desktop<br>
+Search and turn off all indexing. �If that solves your problem then<br>
+you can either leave it off, or try closing all other software and<br>
+letting the indexing happen overnight or while you are doing something<br>
+elsewhere. �The initial indexing does take a lot of resources and many<br>
+people have found that their computers run hot while it is working.<br>
+Usually, once the initial run is complete, it doesn&#39;t cause any real<br>
+problem.<br></blockquote><div><br>Nope. It&#39;s not the indexing.<br>Top reports what I suspected: nothing taking more than 5% CPU time, and the two top contenders are Firefox and X.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+HTH<br>
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+- --<br>
+Need KDE help? Try<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+<a href="http://forum.kde.org" target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
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+<div class="im"><br>
+On 06/08/12 11:03, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi Max,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300 Max Quarterpleen<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a> &lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and it&#39;s<br>
+&gt;&gt; running very hot. Much hotter than Windows and Mga1. Does<br>
+&gt;&gt; anybody know of any way to help this? This not only makes it<br>
+&gt;&gt; uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on battery<br>
+&gt;&gt; life...<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Your message is awfully short of details. What I&#39;d like to know<br>
+&gt; is:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 1. What is your laptop&#39;s model and specifications?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210. Specs from manufacturer&#39;s<br>
+&gt; site:<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/" target="_blank">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</a><br>
+&gt; (I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>I have a Toshiba Tecra, and it runs considerably cooler than my old Acer.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 2. Which desktop environment are you using?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; KDE 4.8.2<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>So am I.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 3. Which applications are you running?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole. Occasionally Dolphin,<br>
+&gt; Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally<br>
+&gt; heavy.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>I would normally have a heavier load than that.<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary<br>
+&gt; driver?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; From lshw: *-display description: VGA compatible controller<br>
+&gt; product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics<br>
+&gt; Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info:<br>
+&gt; pci@0000:00:02.0 version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz<br>
+&gt; capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom<br>
+&gt; configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 resources: irq:41<br>
+&gt; memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff<br>
+&gt; ioport:4000(size=64)<br>
+<br>
+�*-display<br>
+� � � � � � �description: VGA compatible controller<br>
+</div>� � � � � � �product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller<br>
+<div class="im">� � � � � � �vendor: Intel Corporation<br>
+� � � � � � �physical id: 2<br>
+� � � � � � �bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0<br>
+</div>� � � � � � �version: 12<br>
+<div class="im">� � � � � � �width: 64 bits<br>
+� � � � � � �clock: 33MHz<br>
+� � � � � � �capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom<br>
+� � � � � � �configuration: driver=i915 latency=0<br>
+</div>� � � � � � �resources: irq:41 memory:d0000000-d03fffff<br>
+memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:3058(size=8)<br>
+<br>
+Looks almost identical<br>
+<div class="im">&gt;<br>
+&gt; $ modinfo video filename:<br>
+&gt; /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz<br>
+&gt; license: � � � �GPL description: � �ACPI Video Driver author: Bruno<br>
+&gt; Ducrot srcversion: � � 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00 alias:<br>
+&gt; acpi*:LNXVIDEO:* depends: intree: � � � � Y vermagic:<br>
+&gt; 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions parm:<br>
+&gt; brightness_switch_enabled:bool parm:<br>
+&gt; allow_duplicates:bool parm:<br>
+&gt; use_bios_initial_backlight:bool<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think that answers the question. Thanks.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>The first thing I&#39;d suggest is going into System Settings &gt; Desktop<br>
+Search and turn off all indexing. �If that solves your problem then<br>
+you can either leave it off, or try closing all other software and<br>
+letting the indexing happen overnight or while you are doing something<br>
+elsewhere. �The initial indexing does take a lot of resources and many<br>
+people have found that their computers run hot while it is working.<br>
+Usually, once the initial run is complete, it doesn&#39;t cause any real<br>
+problem.<br></blockquote><div><br>Nope. It&#39;s not the indexing.<br>Top reports what I suspected: nothing taking more than 5% CPU time, and the two top contenders are Firefox and X.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+HTH<br>
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+- --<br>
+Need KDE help? Try<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+<a href="http://forum.kde.org" target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
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+<br>
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+    Le 06/08/2012 13:17, Anne Wilson a &eacute;crit :<br>
+    <blockquote type="cite">On 06/08/12 11:03, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish<br>
+      &gt; &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">&lt;mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org&gt;</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; Hi Max,<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300 Max Quarterpleen <br>
+      &gt; &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">&lt;mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com&gt;</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt;&gt; I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and
+      it's <br>
+      &gt;&gt; running very hot. Much hotter than Windows and Mga1. Does<br>
+      &gt;&gt; anybody know of any way to help this? This not only makes
+      it<br>
+      &gt;&gt; uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on
+      battery<br>
+      &gt;&gt; life...<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; Your message is awfully short of details. What I'd like to
+      know<br>
+      &gt; is:<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 1. What is your laptop's model and specifications?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210. Specs from
+      manufacturer's <br>
+      &gt; site: <br>
+      &gt;
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</a><br>
+      &gt; (I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)<br>
+      <br>
+      I have a Toshiba Tecra, and it runs considerably cooler than my
+      old Acer.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 2. Which desktop environment are you using?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; KDE 4.8.2<br>
+      <br>
+      So am I.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 3. Which applications are you running?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole. Occasionally Dolphin,<br>
+      &gt; Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally<br>
+      &gt; heavy.<br>
+      <br>
+      I would normally have a heavier load than that.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary
+      <br>
+      &gt; driver?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; From lshw: *-display description: VGA compatible controller<br>
+      &gt; product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated
+      Graphics<br>
+      &gt; Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info:<br>
+      &gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pci@0000:00:02.0">pci@0000:00:02.0</a> version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz<br>
+      &gt; capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom<br>
+      &gt; configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 resources: irq:41<br>
+      &gt; memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff<br>
+      &gt; ioport:4000(size=64)<br>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;*-display<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; description: VGA compatible controller<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics
+      Controller<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; vendor: Intel Corporation<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; physical id: 2<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; bus info: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pci@0000:00:02.0">pci@0000:00:02.0</a><br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; version: 12<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; width: 64 bits<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; clock: 33MHz<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master
+      cap_list rom<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; configuration: driver=i915 latency=0<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; resources: irq:41 memory:d0000000-d03fffff<br>
+      memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:3058(size=8)<br>
+      <br>
+      Looks almost identical<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; $ modinfo video filename: <br>
+      &gt;
+      /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz
+      <br>
+      &gt; license:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GPL description:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ACPI Video Driver author:
+      Bruno<br>
+      &gt; Ducrot srcversion:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00 alias: <br>
+      &gt; acpi*:LNXVIDEO:* depends: intree:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Y vermagic: <br>
+      &gt; 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions parm: <br>
+      &gt; brightness_switch_enabled:bool parm:<br>
+      &gt; allow_duplicates:bool parm:<br>
+      &gt; use_bios_initial_backlight:bool<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; I think that answers the question. Thanks.<br>
+      <br>
+      The first thing I'd suggest is going into System Settings &gt;
+      Desktop<br>
+      Search and turn off all indexing.&nbsp; If that solves your problem
+      then<br>
+      you can either leave it off, or try closing all other software and<br>
+      letting the indexing happen overnight or while you are doing
+      something<br>
+      elsewhere.&nbsp; The initial indexing does take a lot of resources and
+      many<br>
+      people have found that their computers run hot while it is
+      working.<br>
+      Usually, once the initial run is complete, it doesn't cause any
+      real<br>
+      problem.<br>
+      <br>
+      HTH<br>
+      <br>
+      Anne<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <span style="white-space: pre;">&gt;</span><br>
+    Ages ago I had success running&nbsp; "powertop",<br>
+    don't know if it is still available though.<br>
+    <br>
+    JPB<br>
+    --<br>
+    GNUsquetaire<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
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+    Le 06/08/2012 13:17, Anne Wilson a &eacute;crit :<br>
+    <blockquote type="cite">On 06/08/12 11:03, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Shlomi Fish<br>
+      &gt; &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">&lt;mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org&gt;</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; Hi Max,<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; On Mon, 6 Aug 2012 08:24:34 +0300 Max Quarterpleen <br>
+      &gt; &lt;<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">&lt;mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com&gt;</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt;&gt; I finally got around to upgrading my laptop to Mga2, and
+      it's <br>
+      &gt;&gt; running very hot. Much hotter than Windows and Mga1. Does<br>
+      &gt;&gt; anybody know of any way to help this? This not only makes
+      it<br>
+      &gt;&gt; uncomfortable to work, it has a detrimental effect on
+      battery<br>
+      &gt;&gt; life...<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; Your message is awfully short of details. What I'd like to
+      know<br>
+      &gt; is:<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 1. What is your laptop's model and specifications?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; It is a Toshiba Satellite L745-S4210. Specs from
+      manufacturer's <br>
+      &gt; site: <br>
+      &gt;
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/">http://us.toshiba.com/computers/laptops/satellite/l740/l745-s4210/</a><br>
+      &gt; (I paid $100 less than that price last December at Best Buy)<br>
+      <br>
+      I have a Toshiba Tecra, and it runs considerably cooler than my
+      old Acer.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 2. Which desktop environment are you using?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; KDE 4.8.2<br>
+      <br>
+      So am I.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 3. Which applications are you running?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; As a general rule: Firefox and Konsole. Occasionally Dolphin,<br>
+      &gt; Dragon Player, Libre Office, Amarok.... nothing exceptionally<br>
+      &gt; heavy.<br>
+      <br>
+      I would normally have a heavier load than that.<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; 4. Which graphics driver are you using? Is it the proprietary
+      <br>
+      &gt; driver?<br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; From lshw: *-display description: VGA compatible controller<br>
+      &gt; product: 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated
+      Graphics<br>
+      &gt; Controller vendor: Intel Corporation physical id: 2 bus info:<br>
+      &gt; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pci@0000:00:02.0">pci@0000:00:02.0</a> version: 09 width: 64 bits clock: 33MHz<br>
+      &gt; capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom<br>
+      &gt; configuration: driver=i915 latency=0 resources: irq:41<br>
+      &gt; memory:c0000000-c03fffff memory:b0000000-bfffffff<br>
+      &gt; ioport:4000(size=64)<br>
+      <br>
+      &nbsp;*-display<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; description: VGA compatible controller<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; product: Core Processor Integrated Graphics
+      Controller<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; vendor: Intel Corporation<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; physical id: 2<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; bus info: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pci@0000:00:02.0">pci@0000:00:02.0</a><br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; version: 12<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; width: 64 bits<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; clock: 33MHz<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master
+      cap_list rom<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; configuration: driver=i915 latency=0<br>
+      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; resources: irq:41 memory:d0000000-d03fffff<br>
+      memory:c0000000-cfffffff ioport:3058(size=8)<br>
+      <br>
+      Looks almost identical<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; $ modinfo video filename: <br>
+      &gt;
+      /lib/modules/3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2/kernel/drivers/acpi/video.ko.xz
+      <br>
+      &gt; license:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GPL description:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ACPI Video Driver author:
+      Bruno<br>
+      &gt; Ducrot srcversion:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 10DC2D8B4D20653B4416E00 alias: <br>
+      &gt; acpi*:LNXVIDEO:* depends: intree:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Y vermagic: <br>
+      &gt; 3.3.6-desktop-2.mga2 SMP mod_unload modversions parm: <br>
+      &gt; brightness_switch_enabled:bool parm:<br>
+      &gt; allow_duplicates:bool parm:<br>
+      &gt; use_bios_initial_backlight:bool<br>
+      <br>
+      &gt; I think that answers the question. Thanks.<br>
+      <br>
+      The first thing I'd suggest is going into System Settings &gt;
+      Desktop<br>
+      Search and turn off all indexing.&nbsp; If that solves your problem
+      then<br>
+      you can either leave it off, or try closing all other software and<br>
+      letting the indexing happen overnight or while you are doing
+      something<br>
+      elsewhere.&nbsp; The initial indexing does take a lot of resources and
+      many<br>
+      people have found that their computers run hot while it is
+      working.<br>
+      Usually, once the initial run is complete, it doesn't cause any
+      real<br>
+      problem.<br>
+      <br>
+      HTH<br>
+      <br>
+      Anne<br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <span style="white-space: pre;">&gt;</span><br>
+    Ages ago I had success running&nbsp; "powertop",<br>
+    don't know if it is still available though.<br>
+    <br>
+    JPB<br>
+    --<br>
+    GNUsquetaire<br>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 08 August 2012 14:25:46 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi Richard,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:45:13 +0100</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Richard &lt;richardwest@leiston.info&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Wednesday 08 August 2012 13:19:01 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Marc,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; shot?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for the help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Marc</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; functionality of displaying the dimensions of the windows when</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; resizing it in my KDE version.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Anyway, see:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Moving -&gt; &quot;Display window geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I found it on a web search.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Have a look in System Settings &gt; Window Behaviour &gt; Moving &gt; Display</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; window geometry when moving or resizing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That's exactly what I said. Why did you repeat it? (And while replying to my</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; reply and quoting it in its entirety?)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Ooops, sorry I must have not read all the way down.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 08 August 2012 14:25:46 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi Richard,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 11:45:13 +0100</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Richard &lt;richardwest@leiston.info&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Wednesday 08 August 2012 13:19:01 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi Marc,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; shot?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks for the help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Marc</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; functionality of displaying the dimensions of the windows when</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; resizing it in my KDE version.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Anyway, see:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Moving -&gt; &quot;Display window geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I found it on a web search.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Have a look in System Settings &gt; Window Behaviour &gt; Moving &gt; Display</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; window geometry when moving or resizing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; That's exactly what I said. Why did you repeat it? (And while replying to my</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; reply and quoting it in its entirety?)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Ooops, sorry I must have not read all the way down.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 08 August 2012 13:19:01 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi Marc,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen shot?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Thanks for the help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Marc</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a functionality of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; displaying the dimensions of the windows when resizing it in my KDE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; version.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anyway, see:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Moving -&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &quot;Display window geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I found it on a web search.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Have a look in System Settings &gt; Window Behaviour &gt; Moving &gt; Display window geometry when moving or resizing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 08 August 2012 13:19:01 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi Marc,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Tue, 07 Aug 2012 23:52:05 -0400</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Marc Par� &lt;marc@marcpare.com&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Is there a way to display the dimensions of a window when I resize</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; it? And, is there a way to size a window to specific dimension ...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; for example if I wanted to size a window to 800x600 for a screen shot?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Thanks for the help.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Marc</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Mageia2, KDE 4.8.2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I have no idea what I did to enable it, but I'm getting a functionality of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; displaying the dimensions of the windows when resizing it in my KDE</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; version.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anyway, see:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61112</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Go to systemsettings -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Window Behaviour -&gt; Moving -&gt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &quot;Display window geometry when moving or resizing&quot;.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I found it on a web search.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Have a look in System Settings &gt; Window Behaviour &gt; Moving &gt; Display window geometry when moving or resizing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Tuesday 07 August 2012 09:20:12 Jim Whitby wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; DNS listing for linuxtracker.org is missing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">From their facebook page today.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[quote]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">we're having an issue with our domain name that we hope to have resolved shortly. You can add a line in your hosts file to point to <br /><br />66.135.37.158 linuxtracker.org dev.linuxtracker.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/quote]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Tuesday 07 August 2012 09:20:12 Jim Whitby wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; DNS listing for linuxtracker.org is missing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">From their facebook page today.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[quote]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">we're having an issue with our domain name that we hope to have resolved shortly. You can add a line in your hosts file to point to <br /><br />66.135.37.158 linuxtracker.org dev.linuxtracker.org</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">[/quote]</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<div dir="ltr">It&#39;s not 3D effects.<br>It&#39;s not the indexing.<br>The fan is simply running ALL THE TIME.<br></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 10 August 2012 19:32:23 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi Richard,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:22:38 +0100</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Richard &lt;richardwest@leiston.info&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Friday 10 August 2012 11:09:30 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi all,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; my Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection keeps getting</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; disconnected. I tried running this script as root:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; #!/bin/bash</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; IP=&quot;10.0.0.138&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; # IP=&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; while true ; do</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	if ! ping -c 4 &quot;$IP&quot; ; then</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 		service network restart</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 		# /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 		sleep 10</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	fi</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	sleep 5</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; done</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; It helps a lot, but sometimes one of the programs gets wedged as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; well, and I need to run &quot;pkill -9 ifplugd&quot; as well. Is there any</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; way to tell NetworkManager, netapplet, or whatever the flavour of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; the day is to start the connection again promptly after a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; disconnect?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; My laptop's specs are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4570 (r700)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     15.6&quot; 3D HD LCD Screen.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     3 GB Memory</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     320 GB Hard Disk Drive.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     “DVD Super Multi DL drive”</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     Acer Nplify™ 802.11b/g/n.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I'd rather not have to baby sit it all the time.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Not sure if it's relevant but I find that if I set &quot;Allow access</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; point roaming&quot; in network center it solves it for me.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I set it now and am trying it with this option set (after rebooting,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; which it appears I had to do). Seems OK to fine (even without running</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; my script), but only time and experience can tell.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Fingers crossed then. I've always found it helped.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 10 August 2012 19:32:23 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi Richard,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 10:22:38 +0100</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Richard &lt;richardwest@leiston.info&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On Friday 10 August 2012 11:09:30 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Hi all,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; my Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection keeps getting</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; disconnected. I tried running this script as root:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; #!/bin/bash</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; IP=&quot;10.0.0.138&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; # IP=&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; while true ; do</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	if ! ping -c 4 &quot;$IP&quot; ; then</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 		service network restart</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 		# /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 		sleep 10</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	fi</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	sleep 5</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; done</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; It helps a lot, but sometimes one of the programs gets wedged as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; well, and I need to run &quot;pkill -9 ifplugd&quot; as well. Is there any</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; way to tell NetworkManager, netapplet, or whatever the flavour of</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; the day is to start the connection again promptly after a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; disconnect?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; My laptop's specs are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4570 (r700)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     15.6&quot; 3D HD LCD Screen.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     3 GB Memory</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     320 GB Hard Disk Drive.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     “DVD Super Multi DL drive”</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt;     Acer Nplify™ 802.11b/g/n.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I'd rather not have to baby sit it all the time.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Not sure if it's relevant but I find that if I set &quot;Allow access</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; point roaming&quot; in network center it solves it for me.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I set it now and am trying it with this option set (after rebooting,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; which it appears I had to do). Seems OK to fine (even without running</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; my script), but only time and experience can tell.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks!</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Fingers crossed then. I've always found it helped.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Chopin S�bastien <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:contact@sebastienchopin.fr" target="_blank">contact@sebastienchopin.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 09/08/2012 19:45, Max Quarterpleen a �crit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+It&#39;s not 3D effects.<br>
+It&#39;s not the indexing.<br>
+The fan is simply running ALL THE TIME.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Can you open system monitor to see if CPU works hard ?<br></blockquote><div><br>It is not. Always less than 15%.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Else, clean your laptop with doing the hoovering if there is dust.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Doesn&#39;t run so hot when booting Windoze.<br><br>Also, the HDD temp is between 35 C and 39 C. Which is normal.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+S�bastien<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Chopin S�bastien <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:contact@sebastienchopin.fr" target="_blank">contact@sebastienchopin.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 09/08/2012 19:45, Max Quarterpleen a �crit :<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+It&#39;s not 3D effects.<br>
+It&#39;s not the indexing.<br>
+The fan is simply running ALL THE TIME.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
+Can you open system monitor to see if CPU works hard ?<br></blockquote><div><br>It is not. Always less than 15%.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Else, clean your laptop with doing the hoovering if there is dust.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote><div><br>Doesn&#39;t run so hot when booting Windoze.<br><br>Also, the HDD temp is between 35 C and 39 C. Which is normal.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+S�bastien<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Liam R E Quin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:liam@holoweb.net" target="_blank">liam@holoweb.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 00:04 +0300, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; It is not. Always less than 15%.<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; Doesn&#39;t run so hot when booting Windoze.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Also, the HDD temp is between 35 C and 39 C. Which is normal.<br>
+<br>
+</div>How are you determining that it&#39;s hot? Is it just that the fan is always<br>
+running? Does booting with noapic help?<br></blockquote><div><br>By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the HDD is not climbing above 40C.<br>I haven&#39;t figured out how to limit the CPU in power saving options (KDE). I will be grateful for any help with this.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Liam<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <a href="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</a><br>
+Pictures from old books: <a href="http://fromoldbooks.org/" target="_blank">http://fromoldbooks.org/</a><br>
+Ankh: <a href="http://irc.sorcery.net" target="_blank">irc.sorcery.net</a> <a href="http://irc.gnome.org" target="_blank">irc.gnome.org</a> freenode/#xml<br>
+Co-author, 5th edition of &quot;Beginning XML&quot;, Wrox, July 2012<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Liam R E Quin <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:liam@holoweb.net" target="_blank">liam@holoweb.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 00:04 +0300, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; It is not. Always less than 15%.<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im">&gt; Doesn&#39;t run so hot when booting Windoze.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Also, the HDD temp is between 35 C and 39 C. Which is normal.<br>
+<br>
+</div>How are you determining that it&#39;s hot? Is it just that the fan is always<br>
+running? Does booting with noapic help?<br></blockquote><div><br>By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the HDD is not climbing above 40C.<br>I haven&#39;t figured out how to limit the CPU in power saving options (KDE). I will be grateful for any help with this.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Liam<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <a href="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/" target="_blank">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</a><br>
+Pictures from old books: <a href="http://fromoldbooks.org/" target="_blank">http://fromoldbooks.org/</a><br>
+Ankh: <a href="http://irc.sorcery.net" target="_blank">irc.sorcery.net</a> <a href="http://irc.gnome.org" target="_blank">irc.gnome.org</a> freenode/#xml<br>
+Co-author, 5th edition of &quot;Beginning XML&quot;, Wrox, July 2012<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 10 August 2012 11:09:30 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi all,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; my Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection keeps getting disconnected. I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; tried running this script as root:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; #!/bin/bash</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; IP=&quot;10.0.0.138&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; # IP=&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; while true ; do</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	if ! ping -c 4 &quot;$IP&quot; ; then</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 		service network restart</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 		# /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 		sleep 10</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	fi</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	sleep 5</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; done</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It helps a lot, but sometimes one of the programs gets wedged as well,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and I need to run &quot;pkill -9 ifplugd&quot; as well. Is there any way to tell</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; NetworkManager, netapplet, or whatever the flavour of the day is to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; start the connection again promptly after a disconnect?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; My laptop's specs are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4570 (r700)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     15.6&quot; 3D HD LCD Screen.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     3 GB Memory</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     320 GB Hard Disk Drive.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     “DVD Super Multi DL drive”</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     Acer Nplify™ 802.11b/g/n.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I'd rather not have to baby sit it all the time.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Not sure if it's relevant but I find that if I set &quot;Allow access point roaming&quot; in network center it solves it for me.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 10 August 2012 11:09:30 Shlomi Fish wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi all,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; my Mageia 2 Wireless LAN (Wifi) Connection keeps getting disconnected. I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; tried running this script as root:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; #!/bin/bash</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; IP=&quot;10.0.0.138&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; # IP=&quot;192.168.1.1&quot;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; while true ; do</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	if ! ping -c 4 &quot;$IP&quot; ; then</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 		service network restart</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 		# /etc/init.d/networkmanager restart</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 		sleep 10</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	fi</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	sleep 5</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; done</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It helps a lot, but sometimes one of the programs gets wedged as well,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and I need to run &quot;pkill -9 ifplugd&quot; as well. Is there any way to tell</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; NetworkManager, netapplet, or whatever the flavour of the day is to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; start the connection again promptly after a disconnect?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; My laptop's specs are:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I also have an Acer Aspire 5738DZG laptop with the following specs:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     Intel Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz. (x86-64).</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD 4570 (r700)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     15.6&quot; 3D HD LCD Screen.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     3 GB Memory</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     320 GB Hard Disk Drive.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     “DVD Super Multi DL drive”</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt;     Acer Nplify™ 802.11b/g/n.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I'd rather not have to baby sit it all the time.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Regards,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; 	Shlomi Fish</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Not sure if it's relevant but I find that if I set &quot;Allow access point roaming&quot; in network center it solves it for me.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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+</div><div class="im">On 10/08/12 10:39, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+&gt; By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the<br>
+&gt; HDD is not climbing above 40C. I haven&#39;t figured out how to limit<br>
+&gt; the CPU in power saving options (KDE). I will be grateful for any<br>
+&gt; help with this.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Have you tried playing around with the power saving options attached<br>
+to the battery widget? �I&#39;ve never been convinced that it&#39;s a good<br>
+place for them, but as long as they are available I don&#39;t suppose it<br>
+matters where, and there is a sort of logic, in that battery powered<br>
+devices are more power-sensitive.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yeah, that was the first place I looked.<br>The only things one can adjust there are actions performed when buttons pressed/lid closed and the screen brightness. There does not seem to be an easy to to configure CPU levels.<br>
+There is, however, an option to run a script. So supposedly someone could write a script that will limit the CPU levels, but that&#39;s a little beyond me.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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+Anne<br>
+- --<br>
+Need KDE help? Try<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+<a href="http://forum.kde.org" target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+Hash: SHA1<br>
+<br>
+</div><div class="im">On 10/08/12 10:39, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+&gt; By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the<br>
+&gt; HDD is not climbing above 40C. I haven&#39;t figured out how to limit<br>
+&gt; the CPU in power saving options (KDE). I will be grateful for any<br>
+&gt; help with this.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div>Have you tried playing around with the power saving options attached<br>
+to the battery widget? �I&#39;ve never been convinced that it&#39;s a good<br>
+place for them, but as long as they are available I don&#39;t suppose it<br>
+matters where, and there is a sort of logic, in that battery powered<br>
+devices are more power-sensitive.<br></blockquote><div><br>Yeah, that was the first place I looked.<br>The only things one can adjust there are actions performed when buttons pressed/lid closed and the screen brightness. There does not seem to be an easy to to configure CPU levels.<br>
+There is, however, an option to run a script. So supposedly someone could write a script that will limit the CPU levels, but that&#39;s a little beyond me.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="im"><br>
+Anne<br>
+- --<br>
+Need KDE help? Try<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+<a href="http://forum.kde.org" target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Morgan Leijstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu" target="_blank">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+s�ndagen den 12 augusti <a href="tel:2012%2001.51.34" value="+12012015134">2012 01.51.34</a> skrev �Liam R E Quin:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 12:39 +0300, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Liam R E Quin &lt;<a href="mailto:liam@holoweb.net">liam@holoweb.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; How are you determining that it&#39;s hot? Is it just that the fan is<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; always running? Does booting with noapic help?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the HDD is<br>
+&gt; &gt; not climbing above 40C.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Can you see CPU and GPU temperature ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Nope.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+Can you see fan speed?<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Nope.<br>Maybe I&#39;m missing some packages...?<br>�<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+&gt; Erm, this sounds like your system is *not* running hot, but that the fan<br>
+&gt; is always on.<br>
+<br>
+</div>On T61my HD is cooler than that even when CPU is working hard and is 80 C<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It&#39;s difficult to guess from such incomplete information. You could try<br>
+&gt; running &quot;powertop&quot; in a console (konsole?) and see, but I think you said<br>
+&gt; your CPUs were not at 100% busy. So it might be a bios issue with your<br>
+&gt; laptop, e.g. needing a special boot option with the latest kernel.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Morgan Leijstr�m<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Morgan Leijstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu" target="_blank">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+s�ndagen den 12 augusti <a href="tel:2012%2001.51.34" value="+12012015134">2012 01.51.34</a> skrev �Liam R E Quin:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 12:39 +0300, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Liam R E Quin &lt;<a href="mailto:liam@holoweb.net">liam@holoweb.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; How are you determining that it&#39;s hot? Is it just that the fan is<br>
+&gt; &gt; &gt; always running? Does booting with noapic help?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; By running gkrellm and seeing that the temperature monitor on the HDD is<br>
+&gt; &gt; not climbing above 40C.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Can you see CPU and GPU temperature ?<br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>Nope.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+Can you see fan speed?<br>
+<div class="im"><br></div></blockquote><div><br>Nope.<br>Maybe I&#39;m missing some packages...?<br>�<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">
+&gt; Erm, this sounds like your system is *not* running hot, but that the fan<br>
+&gt; is always on.<br>
+<br>
+</div>On T61my HD is cooler than that even when CPU is working hard and is 80 C<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; It&#39;s difficult to guess from such incomplete information. You could try<br>
+&gt; running &quot;powertop&quot; in a console (konsole?) and see, but I think you said<br>
+&gt; your CPUs were not at 100% busy. So it might be a bios issue with your<br>
+&gt; laptop, e.g. needing a special boot option with the latest kernel.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Morgan Leijstr�m<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:25 PM, David W. Hodgins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:davidwhodgins@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidwhodgins@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:27:32 -0400, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned<br>
+somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that<br>
+he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+The best way, in my opinion, is to find out what motherboard is in the<br>
+system, find the user manual online, and check it out.<br>
+<br>
+Given the story at<br>
+<a href="http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html" target="_blank">http://www.h-online.com/<u></u>security/news/item/Aldi-PC-<u></u>becomes-first-retail-PC-with-<u></u>UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html</a><br>
+
+at present, anything that has been on the market for more than 1 month,<br>
+will NOT have secure boot available, let alone not be able to be disabled.<br>
+<br>
+So, it&#39;s only going to become a problem at some point in the future.<br></blockquote><div><br><br>This was very isntructive. Thanks.<br><br><br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Regards, Dave Hodgins<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:25 PM, David W. Hodgins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:davidwhodgins@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidwhodgins@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:27:32 -0400, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned<br>
+somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that<br>
+he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+The best way, in my opinion, is to find out what motherboard is in the<br>
+system, find the user manual online, and check it out.<br>
+<br>
+Given the story at<br>
+<a href="http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html" target="_blank">http://www.h-online.com/<u></u>security/news/item/Aldi-PC-<u></u>becomes-first-retail-PC-with-<u></u>UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html</a><br>
+
+at present, anything that has been on the market for more than 1 month,<br>
+will NOT have secure boot available, let alone not be able to be disabled.<br>
+<br>
+So, it&#39;s only going to become a problem at some point in the future.<br></blockquote><div><br><br>This was very isntructive. Thanks.<br><br><br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Regards, Dave Hodgins<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Mageia is now seen in public (LWN) as a well-maintained
+    distribution.<br>
+    e.g. Monday:<br>
+    <p>
+      <b>Mageia</b> has updated <a
+        href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511043/">dropbear</a> (code
+      execution), <b>wireshark</b> (<a
+        href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511044/">M1</a>; <a
+        href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511049/">M2</a>: denial of
+      service), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511045/">dokuwiki</a>
+      (cross-site scripting), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511046/">python3</a>
+      (data leaks, memory damage, and
+      crash), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511047/">gypsy</a>
+      (multiple vulnerabilities),
+      <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511050/">icecast</a> (forged log
+      entries), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511051/">openttd</a>
+      (denial of service), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511052/">libxml2</a>
+      (denial of service), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511053/">ettercap</a>
+      (insecure settings file), <a
+        href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511055/">acpid</a> (M1: multiple
+      vulnerabilities), and <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511056/">acpid</a>
+      (M2: privilege escalation).
+    </p>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Mageia is now seen in public (LWN) as a well-maintained
+    distribution.<br>
+    e.g. Monday:<br>
+    <p>
+      <b>Mageia</b> has updated <a
+        href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511043/">dropbear</a> (code
+      execution), <b>wireshark</b> (<a
+        href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511044/">M1</a>; <a
+        href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511049/">M2</a>: denial of
+      service), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511045/">dokuwiki</a>
+      (cross-site scripting), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511046/">python3</a>
+      (data leaks, memory damage, and
+      crash), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511047/">gypsy</a>
+      (multiple vulnerabilities),
+      <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511050/">icecast</a> (forged log
+      entries), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511051/">openttd</a>
+      (denial of service), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511052/">libxml2</a>
+      (denial of service), <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511053/">ettercap</a>
+      (insecure settings file), <a
+        href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511055/">acpid</a> (M1: multiple
+      vulnerabilities), and <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/511056/">acpid</a>
+      (M2: privilege escalation).
+    </p>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:55 AM, David W. Hodgins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:davidwhodgins@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidwhodgins@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:07:07 -0400, Maurice Batey &lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk" target="_blank">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:40:20 +1000, Tony Blackwell wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Unfortunately, UEFI bios can not turn off.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+  I had the same non-reply from a UK PC assembler (which uses ASUS<br>
+MB&#39;s).<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br>How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.<br>
+<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+  They don&#39;t seem aware of Secure Boot, and assume you want to turn<br>
+UEFI itself off, which is nonsense.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+But it doesn&#39;t matter what OS you wan to isntall .<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+  Which seems to suggest Secure Boot *can* be disabled!<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+I&#39;ve recently bought an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX, which is a uefi<br>
+motherboard.<br>
+<br>
+Secure boot cannot be ENabled. There is no such option yet<br>
+in the existing ASUS motherboards, hence the support staff<br>
+don&#39;t have a clue what is being asked.<br>
+<br>
+Regards, Dave Hodgins<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:55 AM, David W. Hodgins <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:davidwhodgins@gmail.com" target="_blank">davidwhodgins@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Mon, 13 Aug 2012 17:07:07 -0400, Maurice Batey &lt;<a href="mailto:maurice@bcs.org.uk" target="_blank">maurice@bcs.org.uk</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Tue, 14 Aug 2012 04:40:20 +1000, Tony Blackwell wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Unfortunately, UEFI bios can not turn off.<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+  I had the same non-reply from a UK PC assembler (which uses ASUS<br>
+MB&#39;s).<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br>How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.<br>
+<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+  They don&#39;t seem aware of Secure Boot, and assume you want to turn<br>
+UEFI itself off, which is nonsense.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+But it doesn&#39;t matter what OS you wan to isntall .<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+  Which seems to suggest Secure Boot *can* be disabled!<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+I&#39;ve recently bought an ASUS Sabertooth 990FX, which is a uefi<br>
+motherboard.<br>
+<br>
+Secure boot cannot be ENabled. There is no such option yet<br>
+in the existing ASUS motherboards, hence the support staff<br>
+don&#39;t have a clue what is being asked.<br>
+<br>
+Regards, Dave Hodgins<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+    re:<br>
+    <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
+      <pre wrap="">My current understanding from communications with ASUS and Gigabyte is 
+that their BIOS's will not provide any way to disable secure boot.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">  In which case won't pre-Windows 8 versions of Windows fail to boot?
+
+Can you quote a source w.r.t. ASUS &amp; Gigabyte situation, please?
+</pre>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    A. My responses from:&nbsp; (See also ref to relevant lwn discussion at
+    tail of this)<br>
+    (Have I over-interpreted their replies: you judge)<br>
+    <br>
+    1. ASUS&nbsp; (The actual motherboard mentioned was just one of their new
+    UEFI ones I selected to keep the website happy)<br>
+    <br>
+    ASUS CASEID=RWTM20120422197363025-780&nbsp; <br>
+    &lt;snip&gt;<br>
+    Dear Valued Customer,<br>
+    Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.<br>
+    My name is Andrew and it's my pleasure to help you with your
+    problem.<br>
+    You can install the other OS on the board.But we do dnot support
+    drives for Linux on this board.<br>
+    Welcome to refer Troubleshooting &amp; FAQ for ASUS products in ASUS
+    website:<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://support.asus.com/servicehome.aspx?SLanguage=en">http://support.asus.com/servicehome.aspx?SLanguage=en</a><br>
+    If you continue to experience issues in the future, please do not
+    hesitate to contact us.<br>
+    Best Regards,<br>
+    Andrew<br>
+    <br>
+    ---------- Original Message ----------<br>
+    From : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tablackwell@bigpond.com">tablackwell@bigpond.com</a><br>
+    Sent : 2012-4-22 11:07:11<br>
+    To : <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tsd@asus.com.tw">"tsd@asus.com.tw"</a><br>
+    Subject : &lt;TSD&gt; Motherboard SABERTOOTH X79<br>
+    <br>
+    [Product Information]<br>
+    *Product Type : Motherboard<br>
+    *Product Model : SABERTOOTH X79<br>
+    &lt;snip&gt;<br>
+    [CPU Specification]<br>
+    *CPU Vendor : intel<br>
+    *CPU Type : 2011<br>
+    *CPU Speed : 3.3<br>
+    &lt;snip&gt;<br>
+    *Operating System : Linux<br>
+    <br>
+    [Problem Description]<br>
+    We are looking at buying motherboards based on the Intel 2011
+    pinout, for use with<br>
+    linux.. You use UEFI. Do you provide a way to disable secure boot to
+    enable us to<br>
+    boot any linux or other operating system of our choice? How do you
+    implement this?<br>
+    <br>
+    With thanks,<br>
+    Tony Blackwell<br>
+    Medical Multimedia<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    And a further response from ASUS:<br>
+    <br>
+    Dear Valued Customer,<br>
+    Unfortunately, UEFI bios can not turn off.<br>
+    But it doesn't matter what OS you wan to isntall .<br>
+    Best Regards,<br>
+    Andrew<br>
+    <br>
+    ---------- Original Message ----------<br>
+    From : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tablackwell@bigpond.com">tablackwell@bigpond.com</a><br>
+    Sent : 2012-4-23 7:02:17<br>
+    To : <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tsd@asus.com.tw">"tsd@asus.com.tw"</a><br>
+    Subject : Re:Re:&lt;TSD&gt; Motherboard SABERTOOTH X79
+    [ID=RWTM20120422197363025-780]<br>
+    <br>
+    [CASEID=WTM2012042315107754]<br>
+    <br>
+    Dear Andrew,<br>
+    Thankyou for the prompt reply. Unfortunately you didn't answer my
+    question about<br>
+    UEFI at all.<br>
+    I am asking about _all_ your Intel 2011 pin-out boards.<br>
+    I ask again, does your UEFI have a way to turn off secure boot?
+    Alternatively, have you<br>
+    set it up so it will only boot Microsoft software?<br>
+    Do you have any Intel 2011 boards with a UEFI where the user can
+    turn off secure<br>
+    boot? Which models?<br>
+    Thanks for your time<br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    <br>
+    2. From Gigabyte:<br>
+    My question and their answer is at:<br>
+    <font color="#0000ff"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ggts.gigabyte.com.tw/gtsemail.asp?UserEmail=tablackwell@bigpond.com&amp;EmailID=1212853&amp;EmailPreviousID=1212853&amp;OpenEmail=Y&amp;LanguageID=1">http://ggts.gigabyte.com.tw/gtsemail.asp?UserEmail=tablackwell@bigpond.com&amp;EmailID=1212853&amp;EmailPreviousID=1212853&amp;OpenEmail=Y&amp;LanguageID=1</a>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      3. See relevant lwn discussion:<br>
+      <br>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lwn.net/Articles/510764/#Comments">http://lwn.net/Articles/510764/#Comments</a><br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
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+    re:<br>
+    <blockquote type="cite" style="color: #000000;">
+      <pre wrap="">My current understanding from communications with ASUS and Gigabyte is 
+that their BIOS's will not provide any way to disable secure boot.
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    <pre wrap="">  In which case won't pre-Windows 8 versions of Windows fail to boot?
+
+Can you quote a source w.r.t. ASUS &amp; Gigabyte situation, please?
+</pre>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    A. My responses from:&nbsp; (See also ref to relevant lwn discussion at
+    tail of this)<br>
+    (Have I over-interpreted their replies: you judge)<br>
+    <br>
+    1. ASUS&nbsp; (The actual motherboard mentioned was just one of their new
+    UEFI ones I selected to keep the website happy)<br>
+    <br>
+    ASUS CASEID=RWTM20120422197363025-780&nbsp; <br>
+    &lt;snip&gt;<br>
+    Dear Valued Customer,<br>
+    Thank you for contacting ASUS Customer Service.<br>
+    My name is Andrew and it's my pleasure to help you with your
+    problem.<br>
+    You can install the other OS on the board.But we do dnot support
+    drives for Linux on this board.<br>
+    Welcome to refer Troubleshooting &amp; FAQ for ASUS products in ASUS
+    website:<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://support.asus.com/servicehome.aspx?SLanguage=en">http://support.asus.com/servicehome.aspx?SLanguage=en</a><br>
+    If you continue to experience issues in the future, please do not
+    hesitate to contact us.<br>
+    Best Regards,<br>
+    Andrew<br>
+    <br>
+    ---------- Original Message ----------<br>
+    From : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tablackwell@bigpond.com">tablackwell@bigpond.com</a><br>
+    Sent : 2012-4-22 11:07:11<br>
+    To : <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tsd@asus.com.tw">"tsd@asus.com.tw"</a><br>
+    Subject : &lt;TSD&gt; Motherboard SABERTOOTH X79<br>
+    <br>
+    [Product Information]<br>
+    *Product Type : Motherboard<br>
+    *Product Model : SABERTOOTH X79<br>
+    &lt;snip&gt;<br>
+    [CPU Specification]<br>
+    *CPU Vendor : intel<br>
+    *CPU Type : 2011<br>
+    *CPU Speed : 3.3<br>
+    &lt;snip&gt;<br>
+    *Operating System : Linux<br>
+    <br>
+    [Problem Description]<br>
+    We are looking at buying motherboards based on the Intel 2011
+    pinout, for use with<br>
+    linux.. You use UEFI. Do you provide a way to disable secure boot to
+    enable us to<br>
+    boot any linux or other operating system of our choice? How do you
+    implement this?<br>
+    <br>
+    With thanks,<br>
+    Tony Blackwell<br>
+    Medical Multimedia<br>
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    And a further response from ASUS:<br>
+    <br>
+    Dear Valued Customer,<br>
+    Unfortunately, UEFI bios can not turn off.<br>
+    But it doesn't matter what OS you wan to isntall .<br>
+    Best Regards,<br>
+    Andrew<br>
+    <br>
+    ---------- Original Message ----------<br>
+    From : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tablackwell@bigpond.com">tablackwell@bigpond.com</a><br>
+    Sent : 2012-4-23 7:02:17<br>
+    To : <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tsd@asus.com.tw">"tsd@asus.com.tw"</a><br>
+    Subject : Re:Re:&lt;TSD&gt; Motherboard SABERTOOTH X79
+    [ID=RWTM20120422197363025-780]<br>
+    <br>
+    [CASEID=WTM2012042315107754]<br>
+    <br>
+    Dear Andrew,<br>
+    Thankyou for the prompt reply. Unfortunately you didn't answer my
+    question about<br>
+    UEFI at all.<br>
+    I am asking about _all_ your Intel 2011 pin-out boards.<br>
+    I ask again, does your UEFI have a way to turn off secure boot?
+    Alternatively, have you<br>
+    set it up so it will only boot Microsoft software?<br>
+    Do you have any Intel 2011 boards with a UEFI where the user can
+    turn off secure<br>
+    boot? Which models?<br>
+    Thanks for your time<br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    <br>
+    2. From Gigabyte:<br>
+    My question and their answer is at:<br>
+    <font color="#0000ff"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://ggts.gigabyte.com.tw/gtsemail.asp?UserEmail=tablackwell@bigpond.com&amp;EmailID=1212853&amp;EmailPreviousID=1212853&amp;OpenEmail=Y&amp;LanguageID=1">http://ggts.gigabyte.com.tw/gtsemail.asp?UserEmail=tablackwell@bigpond.com&amp;EmailID=1212853&amp;EmailPreviousID=1212853&amp;OpenEmail=Y&amp;LanguageID=1</a>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      3. See relevant lwn discussion:<br>
+      <br>
+      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lwn.net/Articles/510764/#Comments">http://lwn.net/Articles/510764/#Comments</a><br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+      <br>
+    </font><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">2012/8/14 Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.<br>
+
+<br>
+</div>I think the best place to search for answer is the user&#39;s manual<br></blockquote><div><br>Surely! I was thinking about something more evident such as a sticker, some text shown at POST time, etc.<br><br><br></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Sander Lepik <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sander.lepik@eesti.ee" target="_blank">sander.lepik@eesti.ee</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">2012/8/14 Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; How can you know before buying the PC whether it has UEFI? Is it mentioned somewhere? I thought about asking the selling person, but chances are that he/she will have no clue about what UEFI is, and will invent the answer.<br>
+
+<br>
+</div>I think the best place to search for answer is the user&#39;s manual<br></blockquote><div><br>Surely! I was thinking about something more evident such as a sticker, some text shown at POST time, etc.<br><br><br></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<p>On Aug 18, 2012 4:18 AM, &quot;TJ&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 08/14/2012 11:43 AM, Maurice Batey wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I look forward to reading accounts of efforts to install Windows 8 as<br>
+&gt;&gt; a guest on VirtualBox under Linux...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; My WAG is that if needed, it won&#39;t be long before VirtualBox simulates secure boot well enough to satisfy Windows 8.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; TJ</p>
+<p>Windows 8 doesn&#39;t require secure boot. It can be installed on older hardware w/o problems. And it runs quite well on Virtualbox. Only guest additions won&#39;t work too well.</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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+<p>On Aug 18, 2012 4:18 AM, &quot;TJ&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 08/14/2012 11:43 AM, Maurice Batey wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I look forward to reading accounts of efforts to install Windows 8 as<br>
+&gt;&gt; a guest on VirtualBox under Linux...<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; My WAG is that if needed, it won&#39;t be long before VirtualBox simulates secure boot well enough to satisfy Windows 8.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; TJ</p>
+<p>Windows 8 doesn&#39;t require secure boot. It can be installed on older hardware w/o problems. And it runs quite well on Virtualbox. Only guest additions won&#39;t work too well.</p>
+<p>--<br>
+Sander<br>
+</p>
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+2012/8/21 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Maurice Batey skrev 21.8.2012 21:11:<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:52:43 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Most likely, your disk is GPT partitioned and windows 7 installed on it<br>
+with at least 2 partitions (one for boot and probably one more for<br>
+recovery besides the usual OS partition).<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+    If that&#39;s the case then I get the feeling that Magiea-2 will not<br>
+install alongside Windows7.<br>
+    Is that true?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br></div>
+Nope, installing it alongside is not a problem.<br>
+<br>
+The thing that is missing is a efi capable bootloader<br>
+(wich is why I used the fedora grub-efi from<br>
+ <a href="http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html" target="_blank">http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-<u></u>bootloaders/grub_legacy.html</a>)<div><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+If so, then - as I don&#39;t really want to use Windows on this netbook -<br>
+perhaps the simplest approach for me would be to re-format the whole<br>
+disk with a non-GPT setup, and install Mageia-2 on that.<br>
+      Would that be a workable approach?<br>
+Would this &#39;UEFI&#39; motherboard handle such a disk properly?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br></div>
+If you dont need windows 7, then it&#39;s probably easier to disable<br>
+uefi (if you can) and do a &quot;old style&quot; install.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>From my general experience with ASUS Sabertooth 990FX, the motherboard I use to write this:<br><br>Contrary to myth, there&#39;s no problems with GRUB Legacy or GRUB2, and MS-DOS-type partitions on (U)EFI.<br>
+
+GPT will also create a hybrid structure, so the disks should go straight into older systems, and work. <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Olav Dahlum<br><br>PGP key ID: 0xA6BD1795<br><br>
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+2012/8/21 Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Maurice Batey skrev 21.8.2012 21:11:<div><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:52:43 +0800, Goh Lip wrote:<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Most likely, your disk is GPT partitioned and windows 7 installed on it<br>
+with at least 2 partitions (one for boot and probably one more for<br>
+recovery besides the usual OS partition).<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+    If that&#39;s the case then I get the feeling that Magiea-2 will not<br>
+install alongside Windows7.<br>
+    Is that true?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br></div>
+Nope, installing it alongside is not a problem.<br>
+<br>
+The thing that is missing is a efi capable bootloader<br>
+(wich is why I used the fedora grub-efi from<br>
+ <a href="http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-bootloaders/grub_legacy.html" target="_blank">http://www.rodsbooks.com/efi-<u></u>bootloaders/grub_legacy.html</a>)<div><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+If so, then - as I don&#39;t really want to use Windows on this netbook -<br>
+perhaps the simplest approach for me would be to re-format the whole<br>
+disk with a non-GPT setup, and install Mageia-2 on that.<br>
+      Would that be a workable approach?<br>
+Would this &#39;UEFI&#39; motherboard handle such a disk properly?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br></div>
+If you dont need windows 7, then it&#39;s probably easier to disable<br>
+uefi (if you can) and do a &quot;old style&quot; install.<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>From my general experience with ASUS Sabertooth 990FX, the motherboard I use to write this:<br><br>Contrary to myth, there&#39;s no problems with GRUB Legacy or GRUB2, and MS-DOS-type partitions on (U)EFI.<br>
+
+GPT will also create a hybrid structure, so the disks should go straight into older systems, and work. <br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Olav Dahlum<br><br>PGP key ID: 0xA6BD1795<br><br>
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+<div><div>Just for the records,</div><div><br/></div><div>Im using mga2 in servers</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Anne Wilson &lt;annew@kde.org&gt; escribió:<br><br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>On 22/08/12 17:40, P. Christeas wrote:<br>&gt; On Wednesday 22 August 2012, Anne Wilson wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than <br>&gt;&gt; happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on<br>&gt;&gt; the server as well as on workstations. ... Has anyone any<br>&gt;&gt; relevant experience?<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Been using Mandrake, Mandriva and Mageia for servers, approx.<br>&gt; since 2001. So far, had no reason to move to any other distro<br>&gt; (except for prejudiced admins against a "desktop" / RPM distros).<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On a recent incident, I had to move some service from a RHEL6<br>&gt; server to a humble Mga1 box, in order to gain in performance (rh<br>&gt; did use older, less efficient versions). In a similar tone, vanilla<br>&gt; Debian couldn't install there (because of the firmware for its<br>&gt; NIC).<br>&gt; <br>Thanks, everyone.&nbsp; Most reassuring.&nbsp; The main objection against using<br>a desktop rather than an enterprise distro is that users see the<br>desktop one as more likely to get "broken".&nbsp; My experience has been<br>the opposite.&nbsp; The enterprise distros spread packages over a number of<br>repos, which clash with each other, so that sooner or later an update<br>breaks things catastrophically.&nbsp; I learned through bitter experience,<br>and next time took great care to google for what looked like an<br>authoritative instruction on how to "prioritize" the repos - and my<br>system is once again broken beyond repair, or at least, I'm told that<br>repairing will be so long and painful it's not worth trying.<br><br>I don't aim to get bitten a third time.<br><br>Anne<br>- -- <br>Need KDE help? Try<br>http://userbase.kde.org or<br>http://forum.kde.org<br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)<br>Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/<br><br>iEYEARECAAYFAlA1DrUACgkQj93fyh4cnBdsSACcD5lPpICwIfclk5agp6RPpEIS<br>mRQAn3IbIcgQUJpgVWvPX/14HCANdbjr<br>=NKkn<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<div><div>Just for the records,</div><div><br/></div><div>Im using mga2 in servers</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Anne Wilson &lt;annew@kde.org&gt; escribió:<br><br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>Hash: SHA1<br><br>On 22/08/12 17:40, P. Christeas wrote:<br>&gt; On Wednesday 22 August 2012, Anne Wilson wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; My recent experiences with enterprise distros has been less than <br>&gt;&gt; happy and I'm seriously wondering whether I could use Mageia on<br>&gt;&gt; the server as well as on workstations. ... Has anyone any<br>&gt;&gt; relevant experience?<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt; <br>&gt; Been using Mandrake, Mandriva and Mageia for servers, approx.<br>&gt; since 2001. So far, had no reason to move to any other distro<br>&gt; (except for prejudiced admins against a "desktop" / RPM distros).<br>&gt; <br>&gt; On a recent incident, I had to move some service from a RHEL6<br>&gt; server to a humble Mga1 box, in order to gain in performance (rh<br>&gt; did use older, less efficient versions). In a similar tone, vanilla<br>&gt; Debian couldn't install there (because of the firmware for its<br>&gt; NIC).<br>&gt; <br>Thanks, everyone.&nbsp; Most reassuring.&nbsp; The main objection against using<br>a desktop rather than an enterprise distro is that users see the<br>desktop one as more likely to get "broken".&nbsp; My experience has been<br>the opposite.&nbsp; The enterprise distros spread packages over a number of<br>repos, which clash with each other, so that sooner or later an update<br>breaks things catastrophically.&nbsp; I learned through bitter experience,<br>and next time took great care to google for what looked like an<br>authoritative instruction on how to "prioritize" the repos - and my<br>system is once again broken beyond repair, or at least, I'm told that<br>repairing will be so long and painful it's not worth trying.<br><br>I don't aim to get bitten a third time.<br><br>Anne<br>- -- <br>Need KDE help? Try<br>http://userbase.kde.org or<br>http://forum.kde.org<br>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)<br>Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/<br><br>iEYEARECAAYFAlA1DrUACgkQj93fyh4cnBdsSACcD5lPpICwIfclk5agp6RPpEIS<br>mRQAn3IbIcgQUJpgVWvPX/14HCANdbjr<br>=NKkn<br>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<div><div>Enterprise distros = loooong updates period.</div><div>Like MES, RH, Centos with 5 years.</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Oliver Burger &lt;oliver.bgr@googlemail.com&gt; escribió:<br><br>Am 22.08.2012 19:05, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:<br>&gt; I don't know what "enterprise" distros are supposed to be, but IME<br>&gt; Debian is quite reliable on a server.<br>Yes, but also quite old. I am working for a company thats main business <br>is webgis and we are running several debian servers and are always <br>facing problems because of old versions of the gis stack (gdal, <br>mapserver,...).<br><br>I'm trying to convince my boss to try and run a Mga server, as we are <br>currently testing Ubuntu servers (nearer to Debian, which everyone is <br>used to).<br>The added value of Mga in our case is, that I am maintaining most of <br>Mga's gis stack :)<br><br>Oliver<br><br>-- <br>Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca<br><br>Mageia contributor<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<div><div>Enterprise distros = loooong updates period.</div><div>Like MES, RH, Centos with 5 years.</div><div><br/></div><div><font style="color:#333333">Enviado desde mi DROID 4G LTE de Verizon Wireless</font></div></div><br><br>Oliver Burger &lt;oliver.bgr@googlemail.com&gt; escribió:<br><br>Am 22.08.2012 19:05, schrieb Antoine Pitrou:<br>&gt; I don't know what "enterprise" distros are supposed to be, but IME<br>&gt; Debian is quite reliable on a server.<br>Yes, but also quite old. I am working for a company thats main business <br>is webgis and we are running several debian servers and are always <br>facing problems because of old versions of the gis stack (gdal, <br>mapserver,...).<br><br>I'm trying to convince my boss to try and run a Mga server, as we are <br>currently testing Ubuntu servers (nearer to Debian, which everyone is <br>used to).<br>The added value of Mga in our case is, that I am maintaining most of <br>Mga's gis stack :)<br><br>Oliver<br><br>-- <br>Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca<br><br>Mageia contributor<br>Email Shield provided by NOCWorldWide.com<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Len Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 23/08/12 20:12, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+23.08.2012 21:47, Len Lawrence skrev:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+[lcl@belexeuli ~]$ rpm -qa |grep nvidia<br>
+x11-driver-video-nvidia-<u></u>current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+so the new x11 driver is installed.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+nvidia-current-doc-html-295.<u></u>71-1.mga2.nonfree<br>
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-<u></u>desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.<u></u>nonfree<br>
+dkms-nvidia-current-295.71-1.<u></u>mga2.nonfree<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-<u></u>latest-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree<br>
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-<u></u>desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.<u></u>nonfree<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+and so is the prebuilt module, so this should have worked :/<br>
+<br>
+What does this show:<br>
+<br>
+rpm -Vv �nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-<u></u>desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.<u></u>nonfree<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+[root@belexeuli lcl]# rpm -Vv �nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-<u></u>desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.<u></u>nonfree<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/dkms.conf<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>log<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>log/make.log<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>module<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>module/nvidia-current.ko.xz<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>module/symvers.gz<br>
+<br>
+I am going to try another reboot...<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div>That did not help. <br></div></div>Found this in the /var/log/kernel/warnings.log<br><br>Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076548] NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 295.71, but<br>
+Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076549] NVRM: this kernel module has the version 295.49.� Please<br>Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076550] NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver<br>
+Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076550] NVRM: components have the same version.<br><br>The 3.3.6 kernel system was already using the 295.71 driver so 295.49<br>does not make a lot of sense.� This warning message is never repeated.<br>
+It appeared only on the first attempt to boot the new kernel.<br><br>Is there any way to rebuild the nvidia module against the 3.3.8 kernel<br>manually (in console mode after the nvidia load failure)?<br><br>Len<br><br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Len Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 23/08/12 20:12, Thomas Backlund wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+23.08.2012 21:47, Len Lawrence skrev:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+[lcl@belexeuli ~]$ rpm -qa |grep nvidia<br>
+x11-driver-video-nvidia-<u></u>current-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+so the new x11 driver is installed.<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+nvidia-current-doc-html-295.<u></u>71-1.mga2.nonfree<br>
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.6-<u></u>desktop-2.mga2-295.49-4.mga2.<u></u>nonfree<br>
+dkms-nvidia-current-295.71-1.<u></u>mga2.nonfree<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+nvidia-current-kernel-desktop-<u></u>latest-295.71-1.mga2.nonfree<br>
+nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-<u></u>desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.<u></u>nonfree<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+and so is the prebuilt module, so this should have worked :/<br>
+<br>
+What does this show:<br>
+<br>
+rpm -Vv �nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-<u></u>desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.<u></u>nonfree<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+[root@belexeuli lcl]# rpm -Vv �nvidia-current-kernel-3.3.8-<u></u>desktop-2.mga2-295.71-1.mga2.<u></u>nonfree<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/dkms.conf<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>log<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>log/make.log<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>module<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>module/nvidia-current.ko.xz<br>
+......... � �/var/lib/dkms-binary/nvidia-<u></u>current/295.71-1.mga2.nonfree/<u></u>3.3.8-desktop-2.mga2/x86_64/<u></u>module/symvers.gz<br>
+<br>
+I am going to try another reboot...<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div>That did not help. <br></div></div>Found this in the /var/log/kernel/warnings.log<br><br>Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076548] NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 295.71, but<br>
+Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076549] NVRM: this kernel module has the version 295.49.� Please<br>Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076550] NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver<br>
+Aug 23 17:24:48 localhost kernel: [279707.076550] NVRM: components have the same version.<br><br>The 3.3.6 kernel system was already using the 295.71 driver so 295.49<br>does not make a lot of sense.� This warning message is never repeated.<br>
+It appeared only on the first attempt to boot the new kernel.<br><br>Is there any way to rebuild the nvidia module against the 3.3.8 kernel<br>manually (in console mode after the nvidia load failure)?<br><br>Len<br><br><br>
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+<p>On Aug 25, 2012 8:22 AM, &quot;TJ&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p>&gt; A very Microsoft-like procedure to be sure, but it worked.</p>
+<p>Completely my fault, but I was updating with urpmi and without really paying attention I agreed to whatever measures were necessary to overcome an unmeetable perl dependency. I then watched in horror as dozens of packages were removed, including the kernel and all the GNOME 3.6 beta components. I&#39;ll have to wait until I&#39;m on Monday to re-install from DVD.</p>
+
+<p>Mike</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120825/317c83ab/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120825/317c83ab/attachment.html
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+<p>On Aug 25, 2012 8:22 AM, &quot;TJ&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:andrewsfarm@gmail.com">andrewsfarm@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</p>
+<p>&gt; A very Microsoft-like procedure to be sure, but it worked.</p>
+<p>Completely my fault, but I was updating with urpmi and without really paying attention I agreed to whatever measures were necessary to overcome an unmeetable perl dependency. I then watched in horror as dozens of packages were removed, including the kernel and all the GNOME 3.6 beta components. I&#39;ll have to wait until I&#39;m on Monday to re-install from DVD.</p>
+
+<p>Mike</p>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120825/e8d34b56/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120825/e8d34b56/attachment-0001.html
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+<p>I will prepare it tonight.  Should I provide just the contents or the logo, navigation tools, etc. also?</p>
+<p>Regards.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d&#39;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; escribió:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200<br>
+&gt; Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .<br>
+&gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the<br>
+&gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in <a href="http://subkeys.pgp.net" target="_blank">subkeys.pgp.net</a>, but for an<br>
+&gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be<br>
+&gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself or<br>
+&gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sounds good. +1.<br>
+<br>
+Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can<br>
+upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and<br>
+support pages.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>I will prepare it tonight.  Should I provide just the contents or the logo, navigation tools, etc. also?</p>
+<p>Regards.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d&#39;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; escribió:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200<br>
+&gt; Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .<br>
+&gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the<br>
+&gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in <a href="http://subkeys.pgp.net" target="_blank">subkeys.pgp.net</a>, but for an<br>
+&gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be<br>
+&gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself or<br>
+&gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Sounds good. +1.<br>
+<br>
+Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can<br>
+upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and<br>
+support pages.<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing the ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.<br><br>Just an idea.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Alejandro López <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div>On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Sorry for being late. I&#39;m working on this right now and I&#39;d like to know how<br>
+&gt; to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file<br>
+&gt; directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get them?<br>
+<br>
+</div>If you go through <a href="http://www.mageia.org/downloads/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/downloads/</a>:<br>
+ - click on the image you want to download,<br>
+ - you&#39;re redirected to a page with the relevant info about<br>
+signatures, which page reloads into the image file itself (it causes<br>
+your browser to start downloading the file, without altering the<br>
+previous page you still can interact with).<br></blockquote></div><div><br>I didn&#39;t know that (I used the torrent).<br> <br><br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+I guess I could add a link to those as well to download them?<br></blockquote></div><div><br>I think it would be a good solution. And the signature files also.<br><br><br><br></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div><div><br>
+&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; I will prepare it tonight.  Should I provide just the contents or the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; logo,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; navigation tools, etc. also?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Regards.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d&#39;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; escribió:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in <a href="http://subkeys.pgp.net" target="_blank">subkeys.pgp.net</a>, but for an<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; or<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; support pages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing the ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.<br><br>Just an idea.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Alejandro López <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div>On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Sorry for being late. I&#39;m working on this right now and I&#39;d like to know how<br>
+&gt; to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file<br>
+&gt; directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get them?<br>
+<br>
+</div>If you go through <a href="http://www.mageia.org/downloads/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/downloads/</a>:<br>
+ - click on the image you want to download,<br>
+ - you&#39;re redirected to a page with the relevant info about<br>
+signatures, which page reloads into the image file itself (it causes<br>
+your browser to start downloading the file, without altering the<br>
+previous page you still can interact with).<br></blockquote></div><div><br>I didn&#39;t know that (I used the torrent).<br> <br><br></div><div class="im"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+I guess I could add a link to those as well to download them?<br></blockquote></div><div><br>I think it would be a good solution. And the signature files also.<br><br><br><br></div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+
+<div><div><br>
+&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; I will prepare it tonight.  Should I provide just the contents or the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; logo,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; navigation tools, etc. also?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Regards.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d&#39;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; escribió:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com" target="_blank">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in <a href="http://subkeys.pgp.net" target="_blank">subkeys.pgp.net</a>, but for an<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; or<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; support pages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Sorry for being late. I&#39;m working on this right now and I&#39;d like to know how<br>
+&gt; to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file<br>
+&gt; directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get them?<br>
+<br>
+</div>If you go through <a href="http://www.mageia.org/downloads/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/downloads/</a>:<br>
+ - click on the image you want to download,<br>
+ - you&#39;re redirected to a page with the relevant info about<br>
+signatures, which page reloads into the image file itself (it causes<br>
+your browser to start downloading the file, without altering the<br>
+previous page you still can interact with).<br></blockquote><div><br>I didn&#39;t know that (I used the torrent).<br> <br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+I guess I could add a link to those as well to download them?<br></blockquote><div><br>I think it would be a good solution. And the signature files also.<br><br><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; I will prepare it tonight.  Should I provide just the contents or the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; logo,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; navigation tools, etc. also?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Regards.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d&#39;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; escribió:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in <a href="http://subkeys.pgp.net" target="_blank">subkeys.pgp.net</a>, but for an<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; or<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; support pages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; Sorry for being late. I&#39;m working on this right now and I&#39;d like to know how<br>
+&gt; to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file<br>
+&gt; directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get them?<br>
+<br>
+</div>If you go through <a href="http://www.mageia.org/downloads/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/downloads/</a>:<br>
+ - click on the image you want to download,<br>
+ - you&#39;re redirected to a page with the relevant info about<br>
+signatures, which page reloads into the image file itself (it causes<br>
+your browser to start downloading the file, without altering the<br>
+previous page you still can interact with).<br></blockquote><div><br>I didn&#39;t know that (I used the torrent).<br> <br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+I guess I could add a link to those as well to download them?<br></blockquote><div><br>I think it would be a good solution. And the signature files also.<br><br><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; I will prepare it tonight.  Should I provide just the contents or the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; logo,<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; navigation tools, etc. also?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Regards.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d&#39;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; escribió:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in <a href="http://subkeys.pgp.net" target="_blank">subkeys.pgp.net</a>, but for an<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; or<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; support pages.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Sorry for being late. I&#39;m working on this right now and I&#39;d like to know how to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get them?<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; I will prepare it tonight.  Should I provide just the contents or the logo,<br>
+&gt; navigation tools, etc. also?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d&#39;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; escribió:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in <a href="http://subkeys.pgp.net" target="_blank">subkeys.pgp.net</a>, but for an<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself or<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can<br>
+&gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and<br>
+&gt;&gt; support pages.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+Sorry for being late. I&#39;m working on this right now and I&#39;d like to know how to get the signature and checksum files if I download the image file directly (without using a torrent). Is there any direct link to get them?<br>
+<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Romain d&#39;Alverny <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com" target="_blank">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+No, just the page contents. I will take care of the rest. Thanks!<br>
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 3:43 PM, Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt; I will prepare it tonight.  Should I provide just the contents or the logo,<br>
+&gt; navigation tools, etc. also?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; El 25/08/2012 13:32, &quot;Romain d&#39;Alverny&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rdalverny@gmail.com">rdalverny@gmail.com</a>&gt; escribió:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Shlomi Fish &lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 11:41:21 +0200<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Alejandro López &lt;<a href="mailto:listas.apl@gmail.com">listas.apl@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I just downloaded the LiveCD to install in a laptop I just bought .<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; The checksums are GPG signed but nowhere in the website I found the<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; public key. Finally I found it in <a href="http://subkeys.pgp.net" target="_blank">subkeys.pgp.net</a>, but for an<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; unexperinced user this is not evident.<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I think that the public key should be easily findable. It might be<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; worth putting a link in the download page to either the key itself or<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; to a text explaining how to get it. What do you think?<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; &gt; Sounds good. +1.<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Yes. Please submit a short title + text + key document and we can<br>
+&gt;&gt; upload it on the website right away and link it from downloads and<br>
+&gt;&gt; support pages.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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+This is what I have on ~/.mozilla/plugins/ on my Solaris machine:<br><br>lrwxrwxrwx   1 user   group         64 Jun 28 10:13 libjavaplugin_oji.so -&gt; /local/jdk1.7.0_05/solaris-x64/jre/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so<br>lrwxrwxrwx   1 user   group         55 Jun 28 10:12 libnpjp2.so -&gt; /local/jdk1.7.0_05/solaris-x64/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so<br>
+<br>HTH,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Phil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:phil_lor@bigpond.com" target="_blank">phil_lor@bigpond.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Thank you for reading this.<br>
+<br>
+Firefox says that an older JRE version has been disabled and that the latest version should be installed. I&#39;ve installed the latest JRE (version 7 rpm) from Oracle&#39;s site but I cannot relate their instructions to the Firefox directory structure (no plugin directory) under Mageia.<br>
+
+<br>
+No doubt there is a simple way around this. Can anyone offer a suggestion?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Regards,<br>
+Phil<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+This is what I have on ~/.mozilla/plugins/ on my Solaris machine:<br><br>lrwxrwxrwx   1 user   group         64 Jun 28 10:13 libjavaplugin_oji.so -&gt; /local/jdk1.7.0_05/solaris-x64/jre/lib/i386/libjavaplugin_oji.so<br>lrwxrwxrwx   1 user   group         55 Jun 28 10:12 libnpjp2.so -&gt; /local/jdk1.7.0_05/solaris-x64/jre/lib/i386/libnpjp2.so<br>
+<br>HTH,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Phil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:phil_lor@bigpond.com" target="_blank">phil_lor@bigpond.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Thank you for reading this.<br>
+<br>
+Firefox says that an older JRE version has been disabled and that the latest version should be installed. I&#39;ve installed the latest JRE (version 7 rpm) from Oracle&#39;s site but I cannot relate their instructions to the Firefox directory structure (no plugin directory) under Mageia.<br>
+
+<br>
+No doubt there is a simple way around this. Can anyone offer a suggestion?<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Regards,<br>
+Phil<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:18 AM, blind Pete <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:0123peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">0123peter@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Alejandro López wrote:<br>
+<br>
+[snip]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing<br>
+&gt; the ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Just an idea.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Assuming that the iso is already compressed, &quot;tar&quot; rather than<br>
+another compression.  But just having them near each other would<br>
+be good.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"></span><br></blockquote></div><br>If the ISO is already compressed, depending on the compressor the verification files could be added to the compressed file; or, if the compressor only accepts one file per compressed file, as you proposed, a tar including the compressed ISO and the verification files could make it.<br>
+<br>Anyway, the ISO files are not compressed.<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 9:18 AM, blind Pete <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:0123peter@gmail.com" target="_blank">0123peter@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Alejandro López wrote:<br>
+<br>
+[snip]<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Maybe it could be worth downloading a single compressed file containing<br>
+&gt; the ISO image, the checksums and the signatures.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Just an idea.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Assuming that the iso is already compressed, &quot;tar&quot; rather than<br>
+another compression.  But just having them near each other would<br>
+be good.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"></span><br></blockquote></div><br>If the ISO is already compressed, depending on the compressor the verification files could be added to the compressed file; or, if the compressor only accepts one file per compressed file, as you proposed, a tar including the compressed ISO and the verification files could make it.<br>
+<br>Anyway, the ISO files are not compressed.<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>In /etc/ssh/sshd_config<b> </b>you can configure the port on which sshd will listen. Look for the Port keyword.<br><br>HTH,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+Hash: SHA1<br>
+<br>
+I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high port,<br>
+say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh listen on<br>
+5122.  I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing iptables.<br>
+ This is not something I&#39;m familiar with.  Can someone please advise me?<br>
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+- --<br>
+Need KDE help? Try<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+<a href="http://forum.kde.org" target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
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+<br>
+iEYEARECAAYFAlBAotgACgkQj93fyh4cnBdvGQCfVekp2kR9mF1CRdKmTbFeGcce<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>In /etc/ssh/sshd_config<b> </b>you can configure the port on which sshd will listen. Look for the Port keyword.<br><br>HTH,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Anne Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+Hash: SHA1<br>
+<br>
+I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high port,<br>
+say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh listen on<br>
+5122.  I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing iptables.<br>
+ This is not something I&#39;m familiar with.  Can someone please advise me?<br>
+<br>
+Anne<br>
+- --<br>
+Need KDE help? Try<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+<a href="http://forum.kde.org" target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
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+<br>
+iEYEARECAAYFAlBAotgACgkQj93fyh4cnBdvGQCfVekp2kR9mF1CRdKmTbFeGcce<br>
+5U8An3o2acASf0DHzLLMvl9EHLyiHuD5<br>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/08/2012 14:00, Alejandro López
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAHDxzRfKaovro7RQE+rP9zdjKnkPLX9OUZez2E+4GC16kVxM2Q@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      In /etc/ssh/sshd_config<b> </b>you can configure the port on
+      which sshd will listen. Look for the Port keyword.<br>
+      <br>
+      HTH,<br>
+      Alejandro.<br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Anne
+        Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN
+          PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+          Hash: SHA1<br>
+          <br>
+          I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high
+          port,<br>
+          say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh
+          listen on<br>
+          5122.  I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing
+          iptables.<br>
+           This is not something I'm familiar with.  Can someone please
+          advise me?<br>
+          <br>
+          Anne<br>
+          - --<br>
+          Need KDE help? Try<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://userbase.kde.org"
+            target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://forum.kde.org"
+            target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
+          -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
+          Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)<br>
+          Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://enigmail.mozdev.org/" target="_blank">http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</a><br>
+          <br>
+iEYEARECAAYFAlBAotgACgkQj93fyh4cnBdvGQCfVekp2kR9mF1CRdKmTbFeGcce<br>
+          5U8An3o2acASf0DHzLLMvl9EHLyiHuD5<br>
+          =fGe5<br>
+          -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Make sure the port you want to use is not in use. Once you have set
+    the port you want, save the config and run this command to restart
+    the ssh server: /etc/init.d/sshd restart<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    Rory Albertyn<br>
+    Gripen<br>
+    <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
+      sans-serif; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
+      normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height:
+      16px; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-indent: 0px;
+      text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
+      word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
+      -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "></span>
+  </body>
+</html>
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--- /dev/null
+++ b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120831/24e25800/attachment.html
@@ -0,0 +1,74 @@
+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/08/2012 14:00, Alejandro López
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAHDxzRfKaovro7RQE+rP9zdjKnkPLX9OUZez2E+4GC16kVxM2Q@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">Hi,<br>
+      <br>
+      In /etc/ssh/sshd_config<b> </b>you can configure the port on
+      which sshd will listen. Look for the Port keyword.<br>
+      <br>
+      HTH,<br>
+      Alejandro.<br>
+      <br>
+      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Anne
+        Wilson <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:annew@kde.org" target="_blank">annew@kde.org</a>&gt;</span>
+        wrote:<br>
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">-----BEGIN
+          PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----<br>
+          Hash: SHA1<br>
+          <br>
+          I need to set up ssh in such a way that it comes in on a high
+          port,<br>
+          say 5122 which is forwarded to 22 - or otherwise to have ssh
+          listen on<br>
+          5122.  I assume this is beyond MCC, and will entail editing
+          iptables.<br>
+           This is not something I'm familiar with.  Can someone please
+          advise me?<br>
+          <br>
+          Anne<br>
+          - --<br>
+          Need KDE help? Try<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://userbase.kde.org"
+            target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org</a> or<br>
+          <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://forum.kde.org"
+            target="_blank">http://forum.kde.org</a><br>
+          -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
+          Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)<br>
+          Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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+          <br>
+iEYEARECAAYFAlBAotgACgkQj93fyh4cnBdvGQCfVekp2kR9mF1CRdKmTbFeGcce<br>
+          5U8An3o2acASf0DHzLLMvl9EHLyiHuD5<br>
+          =fGe5<br>
+          -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+      <br>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Make sure the port you want to use is not in use. Once you have set
+    the port you want, save the config and run this command to restart
+    the ssh server: /etc/init.d/sshd restart<br>
+    <br>
+    Regards,<br>
+    Rory Albertyn<br>
+    Gripen<br>
+    <span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255); font-family: Arial, Helvetica,
+      sans-serif; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant:
+      normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height:
+      16px; orphans: 2; text-align: justify; text-indent: 0px;
+      text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2;
+      word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;
+      -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; display: inline !important; float:
+      none; "></span>
+  </body>
+</html>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120831/3c39a627/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20120831/3c39a627/attachment-0001.html
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+
+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
+<head profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11">
+	<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
+	<title>An Email from Zoosk</title>
+</head>
+<body style="background:#3d7ff8;">
+	<div style="background:#3d7ff8;padding:10px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;">
+		<table style="background:#3d7ff8;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
+			<tr>
+				<td style="padding:10px 0;"><img src="https://d1gw9egox2swwv.cloudfront.net/20120828/images/email/logo.png" alt="" /></td>
+			</tr>
+		</table>
+		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="background:#fff; border:8px solid #8eb1f0;vertical-align:top">
+			<tr>
+				<td>
+					
+<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="vertical-align:top">
+	<tr>
+		<td colspan="3" style="padding: 25px 30px;">
+			<h2 style="color:#3d7ff8; font-size:26px; font-weight:bold; line-height:30px; margin: 0;">Kristoffer Grundström har lagt till dig som vän på Zoosk. </h2>
+		</td>
+	</tr>
+	
+	<tr>
+		<td style="padding: 0 15px 30px 10px; padding: 0 0 30px 30px; vertical-align:bottom;">
+		    			<a href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?invite-token=08349d36e9c96bdc54cddae3bc4ebc66&amp;t_ctr=IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-photo-IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">
+				<img alt="Kristoffer Grundström" src="https://d6vb69kil3yqp.cloudfront.net/731a0fd6fae2cec74df8a9d607b6dde4/72927154_small.jpg" width="95" height="95" align="right" style="border:3px solid #3d7ff8; vertical-align:top; margin-right: 30px;"/>
+			</a>
+					</td>
+		
+		<td width="100%" style="padding: 0 0 30px; vertical-align:bottom;">
+			<p style="color:#666; font-size:16px;">Är Kristoffer Grundström din vän?</p>
+			
+			<div style="overflow: hidden;">
+    			<a style="background-color:#75a833; border:1px solid #1d5a22; color: #fff; display: block; float:left; font-size:17px; margin-right: 10px; font-weight:bold; padding:8px; text-align:center; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:middle; width:100px;" href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?invite-token=08349d36e9c96bdc54cddae3bc4ebc66&amp;t_ctr=IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-yes-IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">Ja</a>
+    			<a style="background-color:#75a833; border:1px solid #1d5a22; color: #fff; display: block; float:left; font-size:17px; margin-right: 10px; font-weight:bold; padding:8px; text-align:center; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:middle; width:100px; background-color: #999;" href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?t_ctr=IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-no-IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">Nej</a>
+			</div>
+		</td>
+		<td width="10" style="width:10px">&nbsp;</td>
+	</tr>
+</table>				</td>
+			</tr>
+		</table>
+		<div style="text-align:center;">
+
+
+<div style="color:#fff; font-size:12px; font-weight:bold; line-height:18px; margin:15px auto 0; padding:15px; text-align:center;">
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		Det här meddelandet har skickats av en Zoosk-användare som angav din e-postadress.		Om du inte vill få e-postmeddelanden som andra skickar till dig via Zoosk <a href="https://www.zoosk.com/optout.php?with=mageia-discuss%40mageia.org&amp;key=71136895d12452b8d2d95771702aff6e&amp;from=email_invite" style="color:#cedefb">klickar du här</a>.	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		Du har mottagit det här meddelandet på e-postadressen: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" style="color:#cedefb;">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px; color:#f4f3bc;">					
+		Copyright &copy; 2007-2012 Zoosk, 989 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94103 USA.	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		<a href="http://www.zoosk.com/privacy" style="color:#cedefb;">Sekretess</a>
+	</p>
+</div>
+	<img alt="Zoosk" style="display:none !important;visibility:hidden;" src="http://api.zoosk.com/callback/t.php?openratetracking=IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E" />
+</div>
+	</div>
+</body>
+</html>
+
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+
+<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
+<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
+<head profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11">
+	<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
+	<title>An Email from Zoosk</title>
+</head>
+<body style="background:#3d7ff8;">
+	<div style="background:#3d7ff8;padding:10px;font-family:arial, sans-serif;">
+		<table style="background:#3d7ff8;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%">
+			<tr>
+				<td style="padding:10px 0;"><img src="https://d1gw9egox2swwv.cloudfront.net/20120828/images/email/logo.png" alt="" /></td>
+			</tr>
+		</table>
+		<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="background:#fff; border:8px solid #8eb1f0;vertical-align:top">
+			<tr>
+				<td>
+					
+<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%" style="vertical-align:top">
+	<tr>
+		<td colspan="3" style="padding: 25px 30px;">
+			<h2 style="color:#3d7ff8; font-size:26px; font-weight:bold; line-height:30px; margin: 0;">Kristoffer Grundström har lagt till dig som vän på Zoosk. </h2>
+		</td>
+	</tr>
+	
+	<tr>
+		<td style="padding: 0 15px 30px 10px; padding: 0 0 30px 30px; vertical-align:bottom;">
+		    			<a href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?invite-token=08349d36e9c96bdc54cddae3bc4ebc66&amp;t_ctr=IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-photo-IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">
+				<img alt="Kristoffer Grundström" src="https://d6vb69kil3yqp.cloudfront.net/731a0fd6fae2cec74df8a9d607b6dde4/72927154_small.jpg" width="95" height="95" align="right" style="border:3px solid #3d7ff8; vertical-align:top; margin-right: 30px;"/>
+			</a>
+					</td>
+		
+		<td width="100%" style="padding: 0 0 30px; vertical-align:bottom;">
+			<p style="color:#666; font-size:16px;">Är Kristoffer Grundström din vän?</p>
+			
+			<div style="overflow: hidden;">
+    			<a style="background-color:#75a833; border:1px solid #1d5a22; color: #fff; display: block; float:left; font-size:17px; margin-right: 10px; font-weight:bold; padding:8px; text-align:center; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:middle; width:100px;" href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?invite-token=08349d36e9c96bdc54cddae3bc4ebc66&amp;t_ctr=IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-yes-IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">Ja</a>
+    			<a style="background-color:#75a833; border:1px solid #1d5a22; color: #fff; display: block; float:left; font-size:17px; margin-right: 10px; font-weight:bold; padding:8px; text-align:center; text-decoration:none; vertical-align:middle; width:100px; background-color: #999;" href="https://www.zoosk.com/signup/friend?t_ctr=IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E&amp;from=find-friends-no-IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E">Nej</a>
+			</div>
+		</td>
+		<td width="10" style="width:10px">&nbsp;</td>
+	</tr>
+</table>				</td>
+			</tr>
+		</table>
+		<div style="text-align:center;">
+
+
+<div style="color:#fff; font-size:12px; font-weight:bold; line-height:18px; margin:15px auto 0; padding:15px; text-align:center;">
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		Det här meddelandet har skickats av en Zoosk-användare som angav din e-postadress.		Om du inte vill få e-postmeddelanden som andra skickar till dig via Zoosk <a href="https://www.zoosk.com/optout.php?with=mageia-discuss%40mageia.org&amp;key=71136895d12452b8d2d95771702aff6e&amp;from=email_invite" style="color:#cedefb">klickar du här</a>.	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		Du har mottagit det här meddelandet på e-postadressen: <a href="mailto:mageia-discuss@mageia.org" style="color:#cedefb;">mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a>
+	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px; color:#f4f3bc;">					
+		Copyright &copy; 2007-2012 Zoosk, 989 Market St, San Francisco, CA 94103 USA.	</p>
+	<p style="margin:0 auto 15px;">					
+		<a href="http://www.zoosk.com/privacy" style="color:#cedefb;">Sekretess</a>
+	</p>
+</div>
+	<img alt="Zoosk" style="display:none !important;visibility:hidden;" src="http://api.zoosk.com/callback/t.php?openratetracking=IN_70_09_sv_XX_SE_01_A_20120831_14_E" />
+</div>
+	</div>
+</body>
+</html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/9/2 Len Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 02/09/12 07:08, Phil wrote:<br>
+</div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Thank you for reading this.<br>
+<br>
+Someone recently asked a question about this very topic but the answer didn&#39;t help me.<br>
+<br>
+I have always been able to play flv files, with various players, until Mageia 2. For example, this is the error that VLC generates:<br>
+<br>
+VLC media player 2.0.1 Twoflower (revision 2.0.1-0-gf432547)<br>
+[0x841e920] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use &#39;cvlc&#39; to use vlc without interface.<br>
+[0x84692d8] qt4 interface error: Unable to load extensions module<br>
+<br>
+I tried cvlc and although it didn&#39;t generate an error message it also didn&#39;t seem do anything either.<br>
+<br>
+The &quot;extension module&quot; seems like a likely place to start but I cannot see anything useful in MCC. Can anyone help?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Further to the vlc question; these are the components installed on my system:<br>
+<br>
+[lcl@belexeuli ~]$ rpm -qa | grep vlc<br>
+vlc-plugin-pulse-2.0.1-1.mga2.<u></u>tainted<br>
+lib64vlc5-2.0.1-1.mga2.tainted<br>
+vlc-plugin-theora-2.0.1-1.<u></u>mga2.tainted<br>
+vlc-plugin-common-2.0.1-1.<u></u>mga2.tainted<br>
+svlc-2.0.1-1.mga2.tainted<br>
+vlc-2.0.1-1.mga2.tainted<br>
+lib64vlccore5-2.0.1-1.mga2.<u></u>tainted<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>You may have to delete your vlc files (being root, type urpme vlc) :<br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/URPMI">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/URPMI</a><br><br> and add the vlc you can get from  the tainted deposit<br>
+<br>friendly<br>-- <br>Julia Jumeau<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/9/2 Len Lawrence <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tarazed25@gmail.com" target="_blank">tarazed25@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On 02/09/12 07:08, Phil wrote:<br>
+</div><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Thank you for reading this.<br>
+<br>
+Someone recently asked a question about this very topic but the answer didn&#39;t help me.<br>
+<br>
+I have always been able to play flv files, with various players, until Mageia 2. For example, this is the error that VLC generates:<br>
+<br>
+VLC media player 2.0.1 Twoflower (revision 2.0.1-0-gf432547)<br>
+[0x841e920] main libvlc: Running vlc with the default interface. Use &#39;cvlc&#39; to use vlc without interface.<br>
+[0x84692d8] qt4 interface error: Unable to load extensions module<br>
+<br>
+I tried cvlc and although it didn&#39;t generate an error message it also didn&#39;t seem do anything either.<br>
+<br>
+The &quot;extension module&quot; seems like a likely place to start but I cannot see anything useful in MCC. Can anyone help?<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div></div>
+Further to the vlc question; these are the components installed on my system:<br>
+<br>
+[lcl@belexeuli ~]$ rpm -qa | grep vlc<br>
+vlc-plugin-pulse-2.0.1-1.mga2.<u></u>tainted<br>
+lib64vlc5-2.0.1-1.mga2.tainted<br>
+vlc-plugin-theora-2.0.1-1.<u></u>mga2.tainted<br>
+vlc-plugin-common-2.0.1-1.<u></u>mga2.tainted<br>
+svlc-2.0.1-1.mga2.tainted<br>
+vlc-2.0.1-1.mga2.tainted<br>
+lib64vlccore5-2.0.1-1.mga2.<u></u>tainted<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>You may have to delete your vlc files (being root, type urpme vlc) :<br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/URPMI">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/URPMI</a><br><br> and add the vlc you can get from  the tainted deposit<br>
+<br>friendly<br>-- <br>Julia Jumeau<br>
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+<html><head/><body><html><head></head><body><div class="gmail_quote">blind Pete &lt;0123peter@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: monospace; margin-top: 0px">My test computer has an old nVidia card in it.  <br /><br />Mageia 3 alpha installs quite happily on it, but <br />it won't boot to a GUI.  It gives error messages <br />about nouveau, even though the modules has been <br />deleted and XFdrake run to try "nv" then "vesa".  <br /><br />BTW there is also an EDID check sum error from <br />the monitor which could be confusing things.  <br /><br />There is a repeat of 8 lines of hex data and<br />[drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DDC responded, but no EDID for VGA-1 <br /></pre></blockquote></div><br clear="all">I only solved this after modding my init-rd:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-12-nouveau-nvidia-driver-solution-771248">http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-12-nouveau-nvidia-driver-solution-771248</a>/<br>
+<br>
+Later I realized I could force uninstall all the rpms that had to do with nouveau even though urpme wouldn&#39;t let me do it.<br>
+<br>
+I think I still had to mod initrd even though the rpms with the stuff were gone, but I&#39;m not 100% sure.<br>
+<br>
+I could not compile a real nVidia for old TNT2 cards and got no sympathy from the nvidia forums.  I used nv but its opengl was slow and I found a cheap newer card somewhere.<br>
+<br>
+My experience was with 2.<br>
+<br>
+Kbulgrien<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Sent from my Android tablet. Please excuse my brevity.</body></html></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<html><head/><body><html><head></head><body><div class="gmail_quote">blind Pete &lt;0123peter@gmail.com&gt; wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
+<pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap:break-word; font-family: monospace; margin-top: 0px">My test computer has an old nVidia card in it.  <br /><br />Mageia 3 alpha installs quite happily on it, but <br />it won't boot to a GUI.  It gives error messages <br />about nouveau, even though the modules has been <br />deleted and XFdrake run to try "nv" then "vesa".  <br /><br />BTW there is also an EDID check sum error from <br />the monitor which could be confusing things.  <br /><br />There is a repeat of 8 lines of hex data and<br />[drm] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: DDC responded, but no EDID for VGA-1 <br /></pre></blockquote></div><br clear="all">I only solved this after modding my init-rd:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-12-nouveau-nvidia-driver-solution-771248">http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/fedora-35/fedora-12-nouveau-nvidia-driver-solution-771248</a>/<br>
+<br>
+Later I realized I could force uninstall all the rpms that had to do with nouveau even though urpme wouldn&#39;t let me do it.<br>
+<br>
+I think I still had to mod initrd even though the rpms with the stuff were gone, but I&#39;m not 100% sure.<br>
+<br>
+I could not compile a real nVidia for old TNT2 cards and got no sympathy from the nvidia forums.  I used nv but its opengl was slow and I found a cheap newer card somewhere.<br>
+<br>
+My experience was with 2.<br>
+<br>
+Kbulgrien<br>
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Sent from my Android tablet. Please excuse my brevity.</body></html></body></html>
+\ No newline at end of file
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi Marc,<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 05:22:53 -0400<br>
+Marc Par� &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I am just wondering if it is just me, but, ever since the KDE update,<br>
+<br>
+</div>Which KDE update?<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; I had problems with my desktops and laptops (5 in total). I have had<br>
+&gt; to delete .kde4 (Home folder) on 4 of these boxes, and the last one<br>
+&gt; has not been updated yet (my son just finished his summer holidays<br>
+&gt; and was breaking in his Windows partition with his new install of<br>
+&gt; WOW);<br>
+<br>
+</div>Just a note - NEVER (!!) delete ~/.kde4/ as this will lose all your settings.<br>
+You can instead move it away using the &quot;mv&quot; command:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mv" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mv</a><br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m just mentioning it so people won&#39;t be encouraged to do so (and you shouldn&#39;t do<br>
+so in the future).<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; now that summer vacation is over and WOW time is reduced, he<br>
+&gt; will have to update. I was hoping he would try playing WOW on his<br>
+&gt; Mageia partition.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Has anyone else had any problems?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some of the problems that I have had:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -- general slow down in speed<br>
+&gt; -- Klipper would disappear at login<br>
+&gt; -- the Lan connection Icon would disappear<br>
+&gt; -- some of the KDE preferences would somehow go back to their default<br>
+&gt; state<br></div></blockquote><div><br>That happened to my wife&#39;s laptop.<br>The background image got reset to a default option, and the picture she had originally set did not even appear as an option to change to. (Right click options on the desktop).<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+&gt; -- log off widget in the taskbar (lower-right) would quit<br>
+&gt; responding<br>
+&gt; -- re-start option (Start button ...) would also stop<br>
+&gt; responding<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>I didn&#39;t encounter any of these problems either on Mageia 2 x86-64 or Mageia Cauldron<br>
+x86-64. If you can reproduce them somehow, you can file bug reports on <a href="http://bugs.kde.org/" target="_blank">http://bugs.kde.org/</a> .<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+� � � � Shlomi Fish<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; The problems happened intermittently. The KDE bug assistant did come<br>
+&gt; up on one of my 2 laptops but I did not have sufficient information<br>
+&gt; to submit the bug report, just general stuff like above.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve deleted the .kde4 file and they all run fine now.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Marc<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</div>-----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
+Shlomi Fish � � � <a href="http://www.shlomifish.org/" target="_blank">http://www.shlomifish.org/</a><br>
+My Public Domain Photos - <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/shlomif/" target="_blank">http://www.flickr.com/photos/shlomif/</a><br>
+<br>
+I�d do Windows-- , but this may result in an integer underflow.<br>
+� � � an Israeli Linuxer.<br>
+<br>
+Please reply to list if it&#39;s a mailing list post - <a href="http://shlom.in/reply" target="_blank">http://shlom.in/reply</a> .<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Shlomi Fish <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:shlomif@shlomifish.org" target="_blank">shlomif@shlomifish.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi Marc,<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 05:22:53 -0400<br>
+Marc Par� &lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+&gt; I am just wondering if it is just me, but, ever since the KDE update,<br>
+<br>
+</div>Which KDE update?<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; I had problems with my desktops and laptops (5 in total). I have had<br>
+&gt; to delete .kde4 (Home folder) on 4 of these boxes, and the last one<br>
+&gt; has not been updated yet (my son just finished his summer holidays<br>
+&gt; and was breaking in his Windows partition with his new install of<br>
+&gt; WOW);<br>
+<br>
+</div>Just a note - NEVER (!!) delete ~/.kde4/ as this will lose all your settings.<br>
+You can instead move it away using the &quot;mv&quot; command:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mv" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mv</a><br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m just mentioning it so people won&#39;t be encouraged to do so (and you shouldn&#39;t do<br>
+so in the future).<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; now that summer vacation is over and WOW time is reduced, he<br>
+&gt; will have to update. I was hoping he would try playing WOW on his<br>
+&gt; Mageia partition.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Has anyone else had any problems?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Some of the problems that I have had:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; -- general slow down in speed<br>
+&gt; -- Klipper would disappear at login<br>
+&gt; -- the Lan connection Icon would disappear<br>
+&gt; -- some of the KDE preferences would somehow go back to their default<br>
+&gt; state<br></div></blockquote><div><br>That happened to my wife&#39;s laptop.<br>The background image got reset to a default option, and the picture she had originally set did not even appear as an option to change to. (Right click options on the desktop).<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+&gt; -- log off widget in the taskbar (lower-right) would quit<br>
+&gt; responding<br>
+&gt; -- re-start option (Start button ...) would also stop<br>
+&gt; responding<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div>I didn&#39;t encounter any of these problems either on Mageia 2 x86-64 or Mageia Cauldron<br>
+x86-64. If you can reproduce them somehow, you can file bug reports on <a href="http://bugs.kde.org/" target="_blank">http://bugs.kde.org/</a> .<br>
+<br>
+Regards,<br>
+<br>
+� � � � Shlomi Fish<br>
+<div class="im"><br>
+&gt; The problems happened intermittently. The KDE bug assistant did come<br>
+&gt; up on one of my 2 laptops but I did not have sufficient information<br>
+&gt; to submit the bug report, just general stuff like above.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;ve deleted the .kde4 file and they all run fine now.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Cheers,<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Marc<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+</div>-----------------------------------------------------------------<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I installed Mageia 2 on 2 new systems where no previous installation was available. This means it wasn&#39;t an upgrade, but a complete install from the DVD. While doing this, I fall in some problems:<br><br>1) I seleced brtfs for a partition and the installer told me it was going to install the package btrfs-progs, but failed to do so and I couldn&#39;t use btrfs on tat partition. What I remark here is that it tried but failed. So either btrfs should not be present in the installer, or the btrfs-progs package present in the DVD (I may be missing other possibilities)<br>
+<br><br>2)  While partitioning the disks, I accidentally pressed &quot;format&quot; instal of the button I wanted to really press. I wanted to press the &quot;back&quot; button but there wasn&#39;t any. Once at this point, the only possible action is to format the partition. Luckilly it was a brand new disk so I lost nothing.<br>
+<br><br>3) This is the most annoying problem I have. Although I configured none of the local acounts for autologin, there is an account the automatically logs-in after booting the machines. I see the desktop during a fraction of a seconds an then an error message that says (in spanisk so my translation back to english might no the exact): &quot;Something went wrong. A error happened and the system cannot be recovered. Close the session and try again.&quot; This happens with every boot on both machines.<br>
+<br><br>Should I open bugs? Ideas on how to correct the 3rd problem?<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br>
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+Hi,<br><br>I installed Mageia 2 on 2 new systems where no previous installation was available. This means it wasn&#39;t an upgrade, but a complete install from the DVD. While doing this, I fall in some problems:<br><br>1) I seleced brtfs for a partition and the installer told me it was going to install the package btrfs-progs, but failed to do so and I couldn&#39;t use btrfs on tat partition. What I remark here is that it tried but failed. So either btrfs should not be present in the installer, or the btrfs-progs package present in the DVD (I may be missing other possibilities)<br>
+<br><br>2)  While partitioning the disks, I accidentally pressed &quot;format&quot; instal of the button I wanted to really press. I wanted to press the &quot;back&quot; button but there wasn&#39;t any. Once at this point, the only possible action is to format the partition. Luckilly it was a brand new disk so I lost nothing.<br>
+<br><br>3) This is the most annoying problem I have. Although I configured none of the local acounts for autologin, there is an account the automatically logs-in after booting the machines. I see the desktop during a fraction of a seconds an then an error message that says (in spanisk so my translation back to english might no the exact): &quot;Something went wrong. A error happened and the system cannot be recovered. Close the session and try again.&quot; This happens with every boot on both machines.<br>
+<br><br>Should I open bugs? Ideas on how to correct the 3rd problem?<br><br>Alejandro.<br><br>
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+Hi Renaud,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have a problem, in that whenever I want to use the USB Serial port at<br>
+/dev/ttyUSB0 I have to log in as root.<br>
+<br>
+I wonder if the way to solve this is by adding a rule<br>
+/dev/ttyUSB0 root root 777 in Mcc &gt; Security &gt; Settings &gt; Permissions or is<br>
+there another way ?<br>
+<br>
+I have tried to change the permissions in /dev but they always revert to 660<br>
+after a time.<br></blockquote><div><br>The devices in /dev/ are recreated with each boot. This explains why they loose the permissions. udevd is responsible for creating them at boot time, following some rules. You need to modify those rules. If I remember correctly, they are located in /etc/udev/rules.d/.<br>
+<br>HTH,<br>Alejandro.<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+              Sed nescio quo modo nihil tam absurde dici potest<br>
+                  quod non dicatur ab aliquo philosophorum.<br>
+                                       -- Marcus Tullius Cicero<br>
+<br>
+                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Hi Renaud,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I have a problem, in that whenever I want to use the USB Serial port at<br>
+/dev/ttyUSB0 I have to log in as root.<br>
+<br>
+I wonder if the way to solve this is by adding a rule<br>
+/dev/ttyUSB0 root root 777 in Mcc &gt; Security &gt; Settings &gt; Permissions or is<br>
+there another way ?<br>
+<br>
+I have tried to change the permissions in /dev but they always revert to 660<br>
+after a time.<br></blockquote><div><br>The devices in /dev/ are recreated with each boot. This explains why they loose the permissions. udevd is responsible for creating them at boot time, following some rules. You need to modify those rules. If I remember correctly, they are located in /etc/udev/rules.d/.<br>
+<br>HTH,<br>Alejandro.<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+              Sed nescio quo modo nihil tam absurde dici potest<br>
+                  quod non dicatur ab aliquo philosophorum.<br>
+                                       -- Marcus Tullius Cicero<br>
+<br>
+                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em qui 20 set 2012, �s 01:49:04, Johnny A. Solbu escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I want to ask the community for advice upon transfering my KMail contents</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; from a box running KDE3 to one running KDE4. I have a large ~/Mail folder</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; with 765M of mail that I wan't to transfer from an old box still running</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mdv2008.1, and have KDE 3.5.9 and KMail 1.9.9. I have delayed this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; transfer mainly because the current computer perfoms the task quite nicely</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and works just as I want it to. But it's getting old, so I need to do this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; at some point anyway.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I need to transfer all settings, including several accounts, identies,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; filtering rules and the address book. What do I need to transfer in order</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to accomplish this?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And what, if anything do I need to reconfigure after the transfer in order</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to make KMail on the receving system to recognice all settings?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Johnny , </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I think you can export email folders, filters and address book from KDE3-Kmail to   KDE4-Kmail or  kmail2</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Are you using Mageia 1 or Mageia 2?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In Mageia 1 the folder of Kmail is in  home/user/.kde/share/apps/kmail. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In Mageia 2 the folder of Kmail2 is in home/user/.local/share/local-mail/</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I do not remember if these options KDE3 are all correct, because I do not have the kde3 to verify.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Export email:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>In KDE3,  you can to export the kmail folders with the emails. To export, you click on Kmail folder, and right-mouse button, select the &quot;Archive Folders&quot;, which will create a compressed archive (zip, tar, etc.)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Export filter</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>In KDE3, the Kmail filters can be exported. In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, <a name="result_box"></a>in &quot;settings&quot; and in &quot;Set filters&quot;, the file of filters can be  exported</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Export kdressebook</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In KDE3, kdressbook can be exported. In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, <a name="result_box"></a>in &quot;Tools&quot;, in &quot;<a name="result_box"></a>address book&quot;, will open a new windos.  In toolbar, go to File, export &quot;kdressbook&quot;. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Import email folders to KDE4:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In Mageia 1 with Kmail or <a name="result_box"></a>In Mageia 2 with Kmail2 (KDE4) these &quot;Archive Folders&quot; (zip, tar, etc) can be imported, In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, &quot;file&quot;, &quot;<a name="result_box"></a>import messages&quot;, and select &quot;<a name="result_box"></a>import a archiving KMaill&quot;</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Import filters to kmail or kmail2 in KDE4: </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, <a name="result_box"></a>in &quot;settings&quot; and in &quot;Set filters&quot;, the file of filters can be imported.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Import kadressboof to kmail or kmail2 in KDE4: </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, <a name="result_box"></a>in &quot;Tools&quot;, in &quot;<a name="result_box"></a>address book&quot;, will open a new windos.  In toolbar, go to File, import &quot;kdressbook&quot;.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em qui 20 set 2012, �s 01:49:04, Johnny A. Solbu escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I want to ask the community for advice upon transfering my KMail contents</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; from a box running KDE3 to one running KDE4. I have a large ~/Mail folder</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; with 765M of mail that I wan't to transfer from an old box still running</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; mdv2008.1, and have KDE 3.5.9 and KMail 1.9.9. I have delayed this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; transfer mainly because the current computer perfoms the task quite nicely</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and works just as I want it to. But it's getting old, so I need to do this</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; at some point anyway.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I need to transfer all settings, including several accounts, identies,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; filtering rules and the address book. What do I need to transfer in order</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to accomplish this?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; And what, if anything do I need to reconfigure after the transfer in order</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; to make KMail on the receving system to recognice all settings?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Johnny , </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I think you can export email folders, filters and address book from KDE3-Kmail to   KDE4-Kmail or  kmail2</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Are you using Mageia 1 or Mageia 2?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In Mageia 1 the folder of Kmail is in  home/user/.kde/share/apps/kmail. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In Mageia 2 the folder of Kmail2 is in home/user/.local/share/local-mail/</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I do not remember if these options KDE3 are all correct, because I do not have the kde3 to verify.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Export email:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>In KDE3,  you can to export the kmail folders with the emails. To export, you click on Kmail folder, and right-mouse button, select the &quot;Archive Folders&quot;, which will create a compressed archive (zip, tar, etc.)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Export filter</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>In KDE3, the Kmail filters can be exported. In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, <a name="result_box"></a>in &quot;settings&quot; and in &quot;Set filters&quot;, the file of filters can be  exported</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Export kdressebook</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In KDE3, kdressbook can be exported. In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, <a name="result_box"></a>in &quot;Tools&quot;, in &quot;<a name="result_box"></a>address book&quot;, will open a new windos.  In toolbar, go to File, export &quot;kdressbook&quot;. </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Import email folders to KDE4:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In Mageia 1 with Kmail or <a name="result_box"></a>In Mageia 2 with Kmail2 (KDE4) these &quot;Archive Folders&quot; (zip, tar, etc) can be imported, In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, &quot;file&quot;, &quot;<a name="result_box"></a>import messages&quot;, and select &quot;<a name="result_box"></a>import a archiving KMaill&quot;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Import filters to kmail or kmail2 in KDE4: </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, <a name="result_box"></a>in &quot;settings&quot; and in &quot;Set filters&quot;, the file of filters can be imported.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Import kadressboof to kmail or kmail2 in KDE4: </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"> In <a name="result_box"></a>toolbar, <a name="result_box"></a>in &quot;Tools&quot;, in &quot;<a name="result_box"></a>address book&quot;, will open a new windos.  In toolbar, go to File, import &quot;kdressbook&quot;.</p>
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+<p>On Sep 22, 2012 12:00 PM, &quot;Claire Robinson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 22/09/12 15:03, Michael Hill wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; All I need to downgrade a package in Mageia is rpm and a previous version<br>
+&gt; &gt; of the package?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Thanks,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mike<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi Mike<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can use rpm -e --nodeps &lt;package&gt; to remove a single one without<br>
+&gt; removing things which depend on it. You can then install the older<br>
+&gt; version in the usual way.</p>
+<p>Thanks, Claire. To have the previous version I&#39;d have needed to have activated it in my urpmi settings, wouldn&#39;t I? Is there someplace I can look for an earlier version of a package?</p>
+<p>Thanks,</p>
+<p>Mike<br>
+</p>
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+<p>On Sep 22, 2012 12:00 PM, &quot;Claire Robinson&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:eeeemail@gmail.com">eeeemail@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; On 22/09/12 15:03, Michael Hill wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; All I need to downgrade a package in Mageia is rpm and a previous version<br>
+&gt; &gt; of the package?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Thanks,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Mike<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Hi Mike<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; You can use rpm -e --nodeps &lt;package&gt; to remove a single one without<br>
+&gt; removing things which depend on it. You can then install the older<br>
+&gt; version in the usual way.</p>
+<p>Thanks, Claire. To have the previous version I&#39;d have needed to have activated it in my urpmi settings, wouldn&#39;t I? Is there someplace I can look for an earlier version of a package?</p>
+<p>Thanks,</p>
+<p>Mike<br>
+</p>
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+<p>I got a gnome-shell .92 package with my auto-update this morning, and it fails to launch. session-log says wrong version of Ibus. </p>
+<p>Mike<br>
+</p>
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+<p>I got a gnome-shell .92 package with my auto-update this morning, and it fails to launch. session-log says wrong version of Ibus. </p>
+<p>Mike<br>
+</p>
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+<p>All I need to downgrade a package in Mageia is rpm and a previous version of the package?</p>
+<p>Thanks,</p>
+<p>Mike<br>
+</p>
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+<p>All I need to downgrade a package in Mageia is rpm and a previous version of the package?</p>
+<p>Thanks,</p>
+<p>Mike<br>
+</p>
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+i&#39;d like to inform that i used this video:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78HKHC7KGLY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78HKHC7KGLY</a><br><br>to add Greek subtitles:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N58Li92FB8Y">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N58Li92FB8Y</a><br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+i&#39;d like to inform that i used this video:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78HKHC7KGLY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78HKHC7KGLY</a><br><br>to add Greek subtitles:<br><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N58Li92FB8Y">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N58Li92FB8Y</a><br>
+<br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Macxi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com" target="_blank">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em qua 26 set 2012, �s 13:07:08, Claire Robinson escreveu:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On 26/09/12 12:28, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; I want to venture into unknown territory, that of video edition.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I have downloaded a 1930 documental on the Paraguay-Bolivia war, which<br>
+&gt; &gt; came out with the images formatted 16:9.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; What would be the tool of choice to reformat it to the original 4:3 ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; TIA,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Ron.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There are a few, including probably ffmpeg on the command line.<br>
+&gt; I would try avidemux though. If you ever used Virtualdub in windows, it<br>
+&gt; is quite similar.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Claire<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Kdenlive rendering in several format, including 4:3<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.kdenlive.org/" target="_blank">http://www.kdenlive.org/</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>That&#39;s what I use for editing video, even though it has a tendency to crash X on embedded Intel graphics cards. At least, on the two laptops I&#39;ve tried it does...<br>�</div></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Macxi <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:terraagua@gmail.com" target="_blank">terraagua@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Em qua 26 set 2012, �s 13:07:08, Claire Robinson escreveu:<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On 26/09/12 12:28, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; I want to venture into unknown territory, that of video edition.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; I have downloaded a 1930 documental on the Paraguay-Bolivia war, which<br>
+&gt; &gt; came out with the images formatted 16:9.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; What would be the tool of choice to reformat it to the original 4:3 ?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; TIA,<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Ron.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; There are a few, including probably ffmpeg on the command line.<br>
+&gt; I would try avidemux though. If you ever used Virtualdub in windows, it<br>
+&gt; is quite similar.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Claire<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Kdenlive rendering in several format, including 4:3<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.kdenlive.org/" target="_blank">http://www.kdenlive.org/</a><br>
+<br></blockquote><div><br>That&#39;s what I use for editing video, even though it has a tendency to crash X on embedded Intel graphics cards. At least, on the two laptops I&#39;ve tried it does...<br>�</div></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jailbreaking tablets has been ruled illegal.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194954" target="_blank">http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194954</a><br>
+<br>
+How long before we are banned by law from installing Linux on a computer that<br>
+was originally sold with Windows ?<br></blockquote><div><br>Who needs to jailbreak a phone with Android or linux such as de N900? Don&#39;t buy Apple and you&#39;ll have no problem.<br><br><br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+        A sense of humor keen enough to show a man his own absurdities<br>
+        will keep him from the commission of all sins, or nearly all,<br>
+                    save those that are worth committing.<br>
+                                                      -- Samuel Butler<br>
+<br>
+                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jailbreaking tablets has been ruled illegal.<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194954" target="_blank">http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194954</a><br>
+<br>
+How long before we are banned by law from installing Linux on a computer that<br>
+was originally sold with Windows ?<br></blockquote><div><br>Who needs to jailbreak a phone with Android or linux such as de N900? Don&#39;t buy Apple and you&#39;ll have no problem.<br><br><br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+        A sense of humor keen enough to show a man his own absurdities<br>
+        will keep him from the commission of all sins, or nearly all,<br>
+                    save those that are worth committing.<br>
+                                                      -- Samuel Butler<br>
+<br>
+                   -- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tuesday 30 Oct 2012 08:31 my mailbox was graced by a message from Alejandro<br>
+<div class="im">L�pez who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Jailbreaking tablets has been ruled illegal.<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194954" target="_blank">http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194954</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; How long before we are banned by law from installing Linux on a computer<br>
+&gt; &gt; that was originally sold with Windows ?<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Who needs to jailbreak a phone with Android or linux such as de N900? Don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; buy Apple and you&#39;ll have no problem.<br>
+<br>
+</div>What about a Linux-powered e-reader ?<br></blockquote><div><br>Ooh! I bought one of those 4 years ago.<br>It was a cheap Chinese knockoff, low-end hardware even for the day. It was running a stripped-down version of Ubuntu 8 for ARM.<br>
+It was slow, but it worked! A Linux e-reader! And it did many other things too. Like play games, browse the web and when properly coaxed even play videos.<br>The problem is that the battery no longer holds a charge, and the charger broke. So it&#39;s pretty much a brick now. But I loved it while it lasted!<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+� � � � � � � The first thing we do, let&#39;s kill all the lawyers.<br>
+� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Wm. Shakespeare<br>
+<br>
+� � � � � � � � � �-- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">renaud@olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Tuesday 30 Oct 2012 08:31 my mailbox was graced by a message from Alejandro<br>
+<div class="im">L�pez who wrote:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Jailbreaking tablets has been ruled illegal.<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194954" target="_blank">http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=194954</a><br>
+&gt; &gt; How long before we are banned by law from installing Linux on a computer<br>
+&gt; &gt; that was originally sold with Windows ?<br>
+<br>
+&gt; Who needs to jailbreak a phone with Android or linux such as de N900? Don&#39;t<br>
+&gt; buy Apple and you&#39;ll have no problem.<br>
+<br>
+</div>What about a Linux-powered e-reader ?<br></blockquote><div><br>Ooh! I bought one of those 4 years ago.<br>It was a cheap Chinese knockoff, low-end hardware even for the day. It was running a stripped-down version of Ubuntu 8 for ARM.<br>
+It was slow, but it worked! A Linux e-reader! And it did many other things too. Like play games, browse the web and when properly coaxed even play videos.<br>The problem is that the battery no longer holds a charge, and the charger broke. So it&#39;s pretty much a brick now. But I loved it while it lasted!<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Ron.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">--<br>
+� � � � � � � The first thing we do, let&#39;s kill all the lawyers.<br>
+� � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � -- Wm. Shakespeare<br>
+<br>
+� � � � � � � � � �-- <a href="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org" target="_blank">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</a> --<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Same here...<div>5 production vm servers with latest updates and &quot;smooth&quot; is just one word that can charaterise the workflow... :)</div><div><div><br></div></div>
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+Same here...<div>5 production vm servers with latest updates and &quot;smooth&quot; is just one word that can charaterise the workflow... :)</div><div><div><br></div></div>
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+Try `urpmq -l tkinter`<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/5 Paul Simon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:psimon@sonic.net" target="_blank">psimon@sonic.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I&#39;ve just started moving a python project from mageia 1 to mageia 3 and have<br>
+found that the idlelib and lib-tk directories are missing from<br>
+/usr/lib/python2.7.   I&#39;m surprised it hasn&#39;t been found before as idle.py<br>
+isn&#39;t installed and it&#39;s dependency on tk isn&#39;t either.  Can we get a fixup<br>
+for this?  I&#39;m just a user and don&#39;t know how to repair this.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Paul Simon<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Try `urpmq -l tkinter`<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/5 Paul Simon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:psimon@sonic.net" target="_blank">psimon@sonic.net</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I&#39;ve just started moving a python project from mageia 1 to mageia 3 and have<br>
+found that the idlelib and lib-tk directories are missing from<br>
+/usr/lib/python2.7.   I&#39;m surprised it hasn&#39;t been found before as idle.py<br>
+isn&#39;t installed and it&#39;s dependency on tk isn&#39;t either.  Can we get a fixup<br>
+for this?  I&#39;m just a user and don&#39;t know how to repair this.<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Paul Simon<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 07/11/2012 13:05, Rory Albertyn a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Hi and thanks for your interest in Mageia<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I am in the process of opening a conceptg store as well as many branches<div class="im"><br>
+of my company across my country UK etc.<br>
+In my country, due to what many businesses see as a failure in windows8<br>
+they are now moving to Linux. Part of my aim is to offer consultancy and<br>
+Mageia pre-built systems to them as well as support.<br>
+<br>
+So, what I am wanting to know is, Where, how and what are my steps to<br>
+brand my store, business documentation and posters/flyers etc with the<br>
+Mageia logo etc. I&#39;d also like to make a Mageia section with demo<br>
+computer/laptop/touchscreen/<u></u>tablet/etc.<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+We would be delighted to add you in Mageia ecosystem. About logo please have a look here to get the right one:<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/media/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/en/<u></u>about/media/</a><br></blockquote><div><br>Also, if you have page restrictions or for some other reason need a different size or form-factor of logo, please contact the Atelier team.<br>
+We can be found on #mageia-atelier @Freenode, or our mailing list: <a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/atelier-discuss">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/atelier-discuss</a><br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Also you can have a look here<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Commercial_vendors" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Commercial_vendors</a><br>
+<br>
+You can reach us whenever you want to check your offer or any information about Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Since I am from the start, named for the Southern African Mageia<br>
+community, I&#39;d like to carry on with this and promote Mageia to as many<br>
+people and businesses moving away from windows. But, I want to do it the<br>
+right way and not infringe on any possible copyrights etc. this is why<br>
+I&#39;d like to make double sure if I can have the above done. I&#39;d even want<br>
+to put a big Lit up 3d Mageia sign outside the store and office block.<br>
+<br>
+Kind Regards,<br>
+Rory Albertyn<br>
+Gripen<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Anne Nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Le 07/11/2012 13:05, Rory Albertyn a �crit :<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+Hi and thanks for your interest in Mageia<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+I am in the process of opening a conceptg store as well as many branches<div class="im"><br>
+of my company across my country UK etc.<br>
+In my country, due to what many businesses see as a failure in windows8<br>
+they are now moving to Linux. Part of my aim is to offer consultancy and<br>
+Mageia pre-built systems to them as well as support.<br>
+<br>
+So, what I am wanting to know is, Where, how and what are my steps to<br>
+brand my store, business documentation and posters/flyers etc with the<br>
+Mageia logo etc. I&#39;d also like to make a Mageia section with demo<br>
+computer/laptop/touchscreen/<u></u>tablet/etc.<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+We would be delighted to add you in Mageia ecosystem. About logo please have a look here to get the right one:<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org/en/about/media/" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org/en/<u></u>about/media/</a><br></blockquote><div><br>Also, if you have page restrictions or for some other reason need a different size or form-factor of logo, please contact the Atelier team.<br>
+We can be found on #mageia-atelier @Freenode, or our mailing list: <a href="https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/atelier-discuss">https://ml.mageia.org/wwsympa-wrapper.fcgi/info/atelier-discuss</a><br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
+
+<br>
+Also you can have a look here<br>
+<a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Commercial_vendors" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/<u></u>Commercial_vendors</a><br>
+<br>
+You can reach us whenever you want to check your offer or any information about Mageia.<br>
+<br>
+Cheers<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+Since I am from the start, named for the Southern African Mageia<br>
+community, I&#39;d like to carry on with this and promote Mageia to as many<br>
+people and businesses moving away from windows. But, I want to do it the<br>
+right way and not infringe on any possible copyrights etc. this is why<br>
+I&#39;d like to make double sure if I can have the above done. I&#39;d even want<br>
+to put a big Lit up 3d Mageia sign outside the store and office block.<br>
+<br>
+Kind Regards,<br>
+Rory Albertyn<br>
+Gripen<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+<br></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Anne<br>
+<a href="http://mageia.org" target="_blank">http://mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>
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+Well, it took me some time but I finally created the bugs:<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8081">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8081</a><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8082">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8082</a><br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8083">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8083</a><br><br>Regards,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Marcello <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marcello.anni@alice.it" target="_blank">marcello.anni@alice.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Il 17/09/2012 15:13, Alejandro López ha scritto:<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I installed Mageia 2 on 2 new systems where no previous installation was<br>
+available. This means it wasn&#39;t an upgrade, but a complete install from<br>
+the DVD. While doing this, I fall in some problems:<br>
+<br>
+1) I seleced brtfs for a partition and the installer told me it was<br>
+going to install the package btrfs-progs, but failed to do so and I<br>
+couldn&#39;t use btrfs on tat partition. What I remark here is that it tried<br>
+but failed. So either btrfs should not be present in the installer, or<br>
+the btrfs-progs package present in the DVD (I may be missing other<br>
+possibilities)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+2)  While partitioning the disks, I accidentally pressed &quot;format&quot; instal<br>
+of the button I wanted to really press. I wanted to press the &quot;back&quot;<br>
+button but there wasn&#39;t any. Once at this point, the only possible<br>
+action is to format the partition. Luckilly it was a brand new disk so I<br>
+lost nothing.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+3) This is the most annoying problem I have. Although I configured none<br>
+of the local acounts for autologin, there is an account the<br>
+automatically logs-in after booting the machines. I see the desktop<br>
+during a fraction of a seconds an then an error message that says (in<br>
+spanisk so my translation back to english might no the exact):<br>
+&quot;Something went wrong. A error happened and the system cannot be<br>
+recovered. Close the session and try again.&quot; This happens with every<br>
+boot on both machines.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Should I open bugs? Ideas on how to correct the 3rd problem?<br>
+<br>
+Alejandro.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Hi Alejandro,<br>
+<br>
+yes, you should open the bug reports here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://bugs.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://bugs.mageia.org/</a><br>
+<br>
+you must use the account created in identity.mageia. for the 3d problem open mageia in failsafe mode, and start drakconf, you should find an entry to choose for autologin (i can&#39;t remember its name right now).<br>
+<br>
+cheers,<br>
+Marcello<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+Well, it took me some time but I finally created the bugs:<br><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8081">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8081</a><br><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8082">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8082</a><br>
+<a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8083">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8083</a><br><br>Regards,<br>Alejandro.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM, Marcello <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marcello.anni@alice.it" target="_blank">marcello.anni@alice.it</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Il 17/09/2012 15:13, Alejandro López ha scritto:<div><div class="h5"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+I installed Mageia 2 on 2 new systems where no previous installation was<br>
+available. This means it wasn&#39;t an upgrade, but a complete install from<br>
+the DVD. While doing this, I fall in some problems:<br>
+<br>
+1) I seleced brtfs for a partition and the installer told me it was<br>
+going to install the package btrfs-progs, but failed to do so and I<br>
+couldn&#39;t use btrfs on tat partition. What I remark here is that it tried<br>
+but failed. So either btrfs should not be present in the installer, or<br>
+the btrfs-progs package present in the DVD (I may be missing other<br>
+possibilities)<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+2)  While partitioning the disks, I accidentally pressed &quot;format&quot; instal<br>
+of the button I wanted to really press. I wanted to press the &quot;back&quot;<br>
+button but there wasn&#39;t any. Once at this point, the only possible<br>
+action is to format the partition. Luckilly it was a brand new disk so I<br>
+lost nothing.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+3) This is the most annoying problem I have. Although I configured none<br>
+of the local acounts for autologin, there is an account the<br>
+automatically logs-in after booting the machines. I see the desktop<br>
+during a fraction of a seconds an then an error message that says (in<br>
+spanisk so my translation back to english might no the exact):<br>
+&quot;Something went wrong. A error happened and the system cannot be<br>
+recovered. Close the session and try again.&quot; This happens with every<br>
+boot on both machines.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Should I open bugs? Ideas on how to correct the 3rd problem?<br>
+<br>
+Alejandro.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+Hi Alejandro,<br>
+<br>
+yes, you should open the bug reports here:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://bugs.mageia.org/" target="_blank">http://bugs.mageia.org/</a><br>
+<br>
+you must use the account created in identity.mageia. for the 3d problem open mageia in failsafe mode, and start drakconf, you should find an entry to choose for autologin (i can&#39;t remember its name right now).<br>
+<br>
+cheers,<br>
+Marcello<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/15 Pierre Jarillon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jarillon@abul.org" target="_blank">jarillon@abul.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+As usual, I have burned a DVD and made an install of Mageia 3 alpha3.<br>
+No problem but some improvements could be useful.<br>
+<br>
+Then, I have tried to read some various videos without any success with the<br>
+default player. See <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8088" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8088</a><br>
+<br>
+It is better with Dragon except than 16/9 videos are displayed at 4/3 ratio<br>
+and some videos prefer to stop after few seconds.<br>
+<br>
+I have installed vlc which works very well for each type of video.<br>
+IMO, vlc must be the default player when installed, Dragon, the second choice<br>
+and totem, the last... or removed.<br></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Totem is using gstreamer so you might have a look on gstreamer plugins installed.<div>Dragon is using phonon &amp; by default phonon-gstreamer (so it should face the same issue as totem), but it can also use phonon-vlc (which should provide the same support as vlc).</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">2012/11/15 Pierre Jarillon <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:jarillon@abul.org" target="_blank">jarillon@abul.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Hi,<br>
+<br>
+As usual, I have burned a DVD and made an install of Mageia 3 alpha3.<br>
+No problem but some improvements could be useful.<br>
+<br>
+Then, I have tried to read some various videos without any success with the<br>
+default player. See <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8088" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8088</a><br>
+<br>
+It is better with Dragon except than 16/9 videos are displayed at 4/3 ratio<br>
+and some videos prefer to stop after few seconds.<br>
+<br>
+I have installed vlc which works very well for each type of video.<br>
+IMO, vlc must be the default player when installed, Dragon, the second choice<br>
+and totem, the last... or removed.<br></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div>Totem is using gstreamer so you might have a look on gstreamer plugins installed.<div>Dragon is using phonon &amp; by default phonon-gstreamer (so it should face the same issue as totem), but it can also use phonon-vlc (which should provide the same support as vlc).</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div></div>-- <br>Balcaen John<br>Jabber-id: <a href="mailto:mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net" target="_blank">mikala@jabber.littleboboy.net</a><br>
+</div>
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+Hi,<br><br>Been trying to get pulseaudio to do what I want in a multiseat configuration.<br><br>I have multiseat X working correctly, and both users are in the same room, so would like<br>the sound for both users to come out my single set of speakers.�� I have however,<br>
+been having some trouble getting pulseaudio/ConsoleKit/policykit to do what I want.<br><br>Has anyone setup something like this before in Mageia 2?<br><br>My current problem is, that whoever logs in first gets the sound card, and the<br>
+other user gets a pulseaudio dummy server.�� I have found a few different<br>blog posts, some recommending running pulseaudio --system.�� This however<br>seems more difficult than it should be, and when I try, I get the error:<br>
+<br>Failed to acquire org.pulseaudio.Server: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection &quot;:1.683&quot; is not allowed to own the service &quot;org.pulseaudio.Server&quot; due to security policies in the configuration file<br>
+<br>I think this is because I might need to add something to /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/<br><br>but, I am not sure exactly what, or how this works.<br><br>Suggestions would be welcome.� <br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br>
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+Hi,<br><br>Been trying to get pulseaudio to do what I want in a multiseat configuration.<br><br>I have multiseat X working correctly, and both users are in the same room, so would like<br>the sound for both users to come out my single set of speakers.�� I have however,<br>
+been having some trouble getting pulseaudio/ConsoleKit/policykit to do what I want.<br><br>Has anyone setup something like this before in Mageia 2?<br><br>My current problem is, that whoever logs in first gets the sound card, and the<br>
+other user gets a pulseaudio dummy server.�� I have found a few different<br>blog posts, some recommending running pulseaudio --system.�� This however<br>seems more difficult than it should be, and when I try, I get the error:<br>
+<br>Failed to acquire org.pulseaudio.Server: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection &quot;:1.683&quot; is not allowed to own the service &quot;org.pulseaudio.Server&quot; due to security policies in the configuration file<br>
+<br>I think this is because I might need to add something to /etc/polkit-1/localauthority/50-local.d/<br><br>but, I am not sure exactly what, or how this works.<br><br>Suggestions would be welcome.� <br><br>Regards<br>Glen Ogilvie<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Fred James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Boring! �What is boring?<br>
+� � Download ... burn ... boot ... fail<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can you be more descriptive ? saying that doesn&#39;t help us much to know what is your problem. Doesn&#39;t the live cd display the boot menu ? or don&#39;t get video after you choose one of the boot options ? do you see any error messages while booting ? etc, you get the idea. Please tell us more about the problem.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+That is boring.<br>
+� � Live DVD and CD as well, both GNOME and KDE4 versions<br>
+I do hope your final release will support known hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I had problems too with the KDE LiveDVD and the dualarch CD with a Dell Vostro 3750, here&#39;re the bug reports:</div><div><br>
+
+</div><div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8145">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8145</a></div><div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8147">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8147</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Fred James<br></font></span>
+PS: �My machine runs Mageia 2, KDE4 ... GNOME won&#39;t display ... sigh<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+Anne Nicolas wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Finally it&#39;s done, alpha3 is out. See announcement on Mageia blog:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/11/14/send-bugs-ad-patres-for-mageia-3-alpha-3/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/<u></u>2012/11/14/send-bugs-ad-<u></u>patres-for-mageia-3-alpha-3/</a> <br>
+<br>
+As said, your feedbacks are needed especially for hardware support and upgrade from Mageia 2.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks all for the hard work.<br>
+<br>
+Enjoy!<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>JLB<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Fred James <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net" target="_blank">fredjame@fredjame.cnc.net</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Boring! �What is boring?<br>
+� � Download ... burn ... boot ... fail<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can you be more descriptive ? saying that doesn&#39;t help us much to know what is your problem. Doesn&#39;t the live cd display the boot menu ? or don&#39;t get video after you choose one of the boot options ? do you see any error messages while booting ? etc, you get the idea. Please tell us more about the problem.</div>
+
+<div><br></div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+That is boring.<br>
+� � Live DVD and CD as well, both GNOME and KDE4 versions<br>
+I do hope your final release will support known hardware.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I had problems too with the KDE LiveDVD and the dualarch CD with a Dell Vostro 3750, here&#39;re the bug reports:</div><div><br>
+
+</div><div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8145">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8145</a></div><div><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8147">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8147</a></div>
+
+<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Fred James<br></font></span>
+PS: �My machine runs Mageia 2, KDE4 ... GNOME won&#39;t display ... sigh<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
+<br>
+Anne Nicolas wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there<br>
+<br>
+Finally it&#39;s done, alpha3 is out. See announcement on Mageia blog:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/11/14/send-bugs-ad-patres-for-mageia-3-alpha-3/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/<u></u>2012/11/14/send-bugs-ad-<u></u>patres-for-mageia-3-alpha-3/</a> <br>
+<br>
+As said, your feedbacks are needed especially for hardware support and upgrade from Mageia 2.<br>
+<br>
+Thanks all for the hard work.<br>
+<br>
+Enjoy!<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>JLB<br>
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+For now, Mageia blog title (tooltip for tab) says &quot;Mageia Blog (English) | The new Linux distribution&quot;. As Mageia is already more than two years old and even first stable release is about one and a half year old, is it still appropriate to use &quot;new&quot;?<div>
+<br></div><div>Marek Laane</div>
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+For now, Mageia blog title (tooltip for tab) says &quot;Mageia Blog (English) | The new Linux distribution&quot;. As Mageia is already more than two years old and even first stable release is about one and a half year old, is it still appropriate to use &quot;new&quot;?<div>
+<br></div><div>Marek Laane</div>
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+#!/bin/sh
+# This script is used to save an old configuration allowing
+# a new installation. Thus the local hidden files and directories
+# cannot interfer with the new installation.
+# /home must be a partition (/ home not included in / partition)
+# Each user gets a new fresh environment. All old directories and files
+# are moved in ~/ancien and nothing is lost.
+# The system configuration is copied in /home/frigo, allowing to format /
+# Pierre Jarillon - 2009 - License GPL 
+
+ETC=/etc
+FRIGO=/home/frigo
+
+date
+
+# -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+if [ $(basename `pwd`) != 'home' ]
+then 
+	echo "Error : The pending directory must be home. Use the command : cd /home"; 
+	exit 1; 
+fi
+
+echo "Ce script is intended to be executed before a new system reinstallation."
+echo "It allows to create a new fresh session for each user without any lost."
+echo "System datas are saved in $FRIGO and old /home/*/ are moved in /home/*/ancien/"
+echo "All sessions using /home must be closed."
+echo ""
+echo -n "OK to continue? [y/N]: "
+read response
+if [ -z $response ]; then
+	   response=n
+fi
+echo ""
+case $response in
+   [OoYy]*) 
+   	echo "OK..."
+	;;
+	*)
+          echo "Aborted"
+         exit 0 ;;
+esac
+
+# -----------------Safe storage location-----------------------------------------------
+
+if [ -d $FRIGO ]; then rm -rf $FRIGO; fi;
+mkdir $FRIGO
+mkdir $FRIGO/faces
+
+# -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+ls -1|while read d
+do
+	if [ ! -d $d ]; then continue; fi
+	n=`basename $d` 
+	x="x"
+	x=`grep ^$n: ../etc/passwd|cut -d: -f1`
+	if [ m$x != m$n ] ;then continue ;fi
+	g=`grep ^$n: ../etc/passwd|cut -d: -f4`
+#	echo $n > $FRIGO/liste
+	[ -f /usr/share/faces/$n.png ] && cp /usr/share/faces/$n.png  $FRIGO/faces/
+	echo "Traité : $n  groupe : $g"
+
+	date > $n/ladate.$n.txt
+	cp -a /etc/skel .
+	chown -R $n:$g skel
+	mv $n skel/
+	mv skel/$n skel/ancien
+	mv skel $n
+done
+
+# A full copy of /etc in /home/$FRIGO is the best. In fact, few files are used
+# If the user uid 500 is saved it is not necessary to ask for it during the install.
+
+# cp -a /etc $FRIGO/
+
+awk -F : '{a=$3+0; if ((a >499)&&(a<10000))print $0}' $ETC/passwd > $FRIGO/passwd
+cut -d: -f1 $FRIGO/passwd|while read user; do grep "^$user" $ETC/group >> $FRIGO/group; done
+cut -d: -f1 $FRIGO/passwd|while read user; do grep "^$user" $ETC/shadow >> $FRIGO/shadow; done
+grep HOSTNAME $ETC/sysconfig/network > $FRIGO/hostname
+cp $ETC/hosts $FRIGO/hosts
+if [ -d $ETC/ssh ]
+then
+	mkdir $FRIGO/ssh; cp -p $ETC/ssh/ssh_host_* $FRIGO/ssh/
+fi
+echo "Done." 
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+#!/bin/sh
+# This script is used to save an old configuration allowing
+# a new installation. Thus the local hidden files and directories
+# cannot interfer with the new installation.
+# /home must be a partition (/ home not included in / partition)
+# Each user gets a new fresh environment. All old directories and files
+# are moved in ~/ancien and nothing is lost.
+# The system configuration is copied in /home/frigo, allowing to format /
+# Pierre Jarillon - 2009 - License GPL 
+
+ETC=/etc
+FRIGO=/home/frigo
+
+date
+
+# -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+if [ $(basename `pwd`) != 'home' ]
+then 
+	echo "Error : The pending directory must be home. Use the command : cd /home"; 
+	exit 1; 
+fi
+
+echo "Ce script is intended to be executed before a new system reinstallation."
+echo "It allows to create a new fresh session for each user without any lost."
+echo "System datas are saved in $FRIGO and old /home/*/ are moved in /home/*/ancien/"
+echo "All sessions using /home must be closed."
+echo ""
+echo -n "OK to continue? [y/N]: "
+read response
+if [ -z $response ]; then
+	   response=n
+fi
+echo ""
+case $response in
+   [OoYy]*) 
+   	echo "OK..."
+	;;
+	*)
+          echo "Aborted"
+         exit 0 ;;
+esac
+
+# -----------------Safe storage location-----------------------------------------------
+
+if [ -d $FRIGO ]; then rm -rf $FRIGO; fi;
+mkdir $FRIGO
+mkdir $FRIGO/faces
+
+# -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+ls -1|while read d
+do
+	if [ ! -d $d ]; then continue; fi
+	n=`basename $d` 
+	x="x"
+	x=`grep ^$n: ../etc/passwd|cut -d: -f1`
+	if [ m$x != m$n ] ;then continue ;fi
+	g=`grep ^$n: ../etc/passwd|cut -d: -f4`
+#	echo $n > $FRIGO/liste
+	[ -f /usr/share/faces/$n.png ] && cp /usr/share/faces/$n.png  $FRIGO/faces/
+	echo "Traité : $n  groupe : $g"
+
+	date > $n/ladate.$n.txt
+	cp -a /etc/skel .
+	chown -R $n:$g skel
+	mv $n skel/
+	mv skel/$n skel/ancien
+	mv skel $n
+done
+
+# A full copy of /etc in /home/$FRIGO is the best. In fact, few files are used
+# If the user uid 500 is saved it is not necessary to ask for it during the install.
+
+# cp -a /etc $FRIGO/
+
+awk -F : '{a=$3+0; if ((a >499)&&(a<10000))print $0}' $ETC/passwd > $FRIGO/passwd
+cut -d: -f1 $FRIGO/passwd|while read user; do grep "^$user" $ETC/group >> $FRIGO/group; done
+cut -d: -f1 $FRIGO/passwd|while read user; do grep "^$user" $ETC/shadow >> $FRIGO/shadow; done
+grep HOSTNAME $ETC/sysconfig/network > $FRIGO/hostname
+cp $ETC/hosts $FRIGO/hosts
+if [ -d $ETC/ssh ]
+then
+	mkdir $FRIGO/ssh; cp -p $ETC/ssh/ssh_host_* $FRIGO/ssh/
+fi
+echo "Done." 
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20121201/c7166c84/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20121201/c7166c84/attachment-0001.html
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+Hi.<br><br>I have 2 problems.<br>1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page up/down (when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any place in the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust this setting?<br>
+2. When using touchpad, when I click the right button, the system behaves the same when clicking by left button. I do not have buttons separated from the touchpad, they are part of it.<br><br>My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310<br>
+<br>Thanks for any help<br><br>Bartek<br>
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+Hi.<br><br>I have 2 problems.<br>1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page up/down (when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any place in the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust this setting?<br>
+2. When using touchpad, when I click the right button, the system behaves the same when clicking by left button. I do not have buttons separated from the touchpad, they are part of it.<br><br>My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310<br>
+<br>Thanks for any help<br><br>Bartek<br>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20121203/141a08e4/attachment-0001.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20121203/141a08e4/attachment-0001.html
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+<p>Thanks a lot :)</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">03-12-2012 12:42, &quot;Rolf Pedersen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rolfpedersen@mindspring.com">rolfpedersen@mindspring.com</a>&gt; napisa�(a):<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 11/30/2012 06:54 PM, Bart�omiej Wi�niewski wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi.<br>
+<br>
+I have 2 problems.<br>
+1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page<br>
+up/down (when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any<br>
+place in the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust<br>
+this setting?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+[..]<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for any help<br>
+<br>
+Bartek<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+If you use KDE, in Systemsettings &gt; Input Devices &gt; Mouse &gt; Advanced tab, there is &quot;Mouse wheel scrolls by&quot; with a combo box selection.<br>
+<br>
+In Seamonkey Advanced preferences, there is a configuration for mouse wheel behavior. �ISTR a setting in an application that included scrolling by on the order of a page but can&#39;t find it, atm.<br>
+Rolf<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Thanks a lot :)</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">03-12-2012 12:42, &quot;Rolf Pedersen&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rolfpedersen@mindspring.com">rolfpedersen@mindspring.com</a>&gt; napisa�(a):<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On 11/30/2012 06:54 PM, Bart�omiej Wi�niewski wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi.<br>
+<br>
+I have 2 problems.<br>
+1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page<br>
+up/down (when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any<br>
+place in the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust<br>
+this setting?<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+[..]<br>
+<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310<br>
+<br>
+Thanks for any help<br>
+<br>
+Bartek<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br>
+If you use KDE, in Systemsettings &gt; Input Devices &gt; Mouse &gt; Advanced tab, there is &quot;Mouse wheel scrolls by&quot; with a combo box selection.<br>
+<br>
+In Seamonkey Advanced preferences, there is a configuration for mouse wheel behavior. �ISTR a setting in an application that included scrolling by on the order of a page but can&#39;t find it, atm.<br>
+Rolf<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Bartłomiej Wiśniewski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:wisniewski.bm@gmail.com" target="_blank">wisniewski.bm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi.<br><br>I have 2 problems.<br>1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page up/down (when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any place in the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust this setting?<br>
+
+2. When using touchpad, when I click the right button, the system behaves the same when clicking by left button. I do not have buttons separated from the touchpad, they are part of it.<br></blockquote><div><br>The solution I found for an Asus computer is to slightly touch (not pressing) the pad with one finger for left click, and with two finger for the right click. Maybe it&#39;ll work for you too.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310<br>
+<br>Thanks for any help<br><br>Bartek<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:54 AM, Bartłomiej Wiśniewski <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:wisniewski.bm@gmail.com" target="_blank">wisniewski.bm@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi.<br><br>I have 2 problems.<br>1. When I scroll with my mouse wheel it takes me more than 1 page up/down (when using scrolling on touchpad everything is ok) Is there any place in the Mageia Control Center or somewhere else where I can adjust this setting?<br>
+
+2. When using touchpad, when I click the right button, the system behaves the same when clicking by left button. I do not have buttons separated from the touchpad, they are part of it.<br></blockquote><div><br>The solution I found for an Asus computer is to slightly touch (not pressing) the pad with one finger for left click, and with two finger for the right click. Maybe it&#39;ll work for you too.<br>
+<br>Alejandro.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>My laptop: Samsung NP-SF310<br>
+<br>Thanks for any help<br><br>Bartek<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Saturday 15 December 2012 15:38:58 Anne Wilson wrote:</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; A young man who has steadfastly used Windows all his life is at last</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; beginning to wonder if he should try Linux.  I'm thinking that the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; best thing for him would be to put Mageia onto a usb drive - I have a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; spare cradle and a drive that I could wipe for him.  I've no qualms</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; about the actual install, until it comes to the bit where it asks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; where to put the boot record.  Is drive A first sector the best place</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; in this setup?  What would happen if he tried to boot without the new</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; drive attached?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I've never done it quite like this before, but since he is a laptop</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and tablet user, a second internal drive isn't an option, and he won't</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; want to split his drive, as he is an artist/photographer so stores</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; large files.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anyone care to advise me?  I don't want to offer this until I'm sure I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; can do it in a way that won't cause both of us hassle.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Personally, I'd put the boot record on the removable drive then use the hardware boot selector to select the drive to boot. That way nothing is touched on the original install so nothing should be able to go wrong.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Saturday 15 December 2012 15:38:58 Anne Wilson wrote:</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; A young man who has steadfastly used Windows all his life is at last</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; beginning to wonder if he should try Linux.  I'm thinking that the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; best thing for him would be to put Mageia onto a usb drive - I have a</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; spare cradle and a drive that I could wipe for him.  I've no qualms</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; about the actual install, until it comes to the bit where it asks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; where to put the boot record.  Is drive A first sector the best place</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; in this setup?  What would happen if he tried to boot without the new</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; drive attached?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I've never done it quite like this before, but since he is a laptop</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and tablet user, a second internal drive isn't an option, and he won't</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; want to split his drive, as he is an artist/photographer so stores</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; large files.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anyone care to advise me?  I don't want to offer this until I'm sure I</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; can do it in a way that won't cause both of us hassle.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Personally, I'd put the boot record on the removable drive then use the hardware boot selector to select the drive to boot. That way nothing is touched on the original install so nothing should be able to go wrong.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Saturday 15 December 2012 17:07:47 Anne Wilson wrote:</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hash: SHA1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 15/12/12 16:58, TJ wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On 12/15/2012 11:43 AM, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; so nothing should be able to go wrong.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &lt;Chuckle&gt; Mr. Murphy just *loves* statements like that...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Indeed!  And start from the fact that neither my mail client nor</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; web-googlemail has received Richard's comment yet, I'd say Mr. Murphy</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; is off to a good start :-)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Well I did say &quot;should&quot; :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Saturday 15 December 2012 17:07:47 Anne Wilson wrote:</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On 15/12/12 16:58, TJ wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; On 12/15/2012 11:43 AM, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt;&gt; so nothing should be able to go wrong.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &lt;Chuckle&gt; Mr. Murphy just *loves* statements like that...</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Indeed!  And start from the fact that neither my mail client nor</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; web-googlemail has received Richard's comment yet, I'd say Mr. Murphy</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; is off to a good start :-)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Well I did say &quot;should&quot; :)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Max Quarterpleen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com" target="_blank">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Phil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:phil_lor@bigpond.com" target="_blank">phil_lor@bigpond.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Thank you for reading this somewhat off topic question.<br>
+<br>
+I have been given an old laptop that will have Windows XP removed, but before I do I&#39;d like to make a complete backup. The previous owner will surely want to recover some little gem at some time in the future.<br>
+<br>
+Lucky Backup has served me well and I&#39;m wondering if something similar is available for Windows. A Google search has uncovered a huge number of backup utilities but I&#39;m unable to tell which one would be best for my needs.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div><div><br>Whenever I need to backup anything Windows I just manually copy whatever I think I may need to an external drive.<br>You&#39;re probably safe if you copy the C:\Documents and Settings directory.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Another thought: in the past many Windows installs separated their user data to a different logical (or physical) partition.<br>Grab that too.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><font color="#888888">
+<br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Regards,<br>
+Phil<br>
+</font></span></font></span></blockquote></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:56 AM, Max Quarterpleen <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com" target="_blank">bogusman222@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Phil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:phil_lor@bigpond.com" target="_blank">phil_lor@bigpond.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Thank you for reading this somewhat off topic question.<br>
+<br>
+I have been given an old laptop that will have Windows XP removed, but before I do I&#39;d like to make a complete backup. The previous owner will surely want to recover some little gem at some time in the future.<br>
+<br>
+Lucky Backup has served me well and I&#39;m wondering if something similar is available for Windows. A Google search has uncovered a huge number of backup utilities but I&#39;m unable to tell which one would be best for my needs.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
+
+</font></span></blockquote></div></div><div><br>Whenever I need to backup anything Windows I just manually copy whatever I think I may need to an external drive.<br>You&#39;re probably safe if you copy the C:\Documents and Settings directory.<br>
+</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Another thought: in the past many Windows installs separated their user data to a different logical (or physical) partition.<br>Grab that too.<br>�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="gmail_quote"><div>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span><font color="#888888">
+<br><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Regards,<br>
+Phil<br>
+</font></span></font></span></blockquote></div><br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:59 AM, Phil <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:phil_lor@bigpond.com" target="_blank">phil_lor@bigpond.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Thank you for reading this somewhat off topic question.<br>
+<br>
+I have been given an old laptop that will have Windows XP removed, but before I do I&#39;d like to make a complete backup. The previous owner will surely want to recover some little gem at some time in the future.<br>
+<br>
+Lucky Backup has served me well and I&#39;m wondering if something similar is available for Windows. A Google search has uncovered a huge number of backup utilities but I&#39;m unable to tell which one would be best for my needs.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+</font></span></blockquote><div><br>Whenever I need to backup anything Windows I just manually copy whatever I think I may need to an external drive.<br>You&#39;re probably safe if you copy the C:\Documents and Settings directory.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Regards,<br>
+Phil<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Thank you for reading this somewhat off topic question.<br>
+<br>
+I have been given an old laptop that will have Windows XP removed, but before I do I&#39;d like to make a complete backup. The previous owner will surely want to recover some little gem at some time in the future.<br>
+<br>
+Lucky Backup has served me well and I&#39;m wondering if something similar is available for Windows. A Google search has uncovered a huge number of backup utilities but I&#39;m unable to tell which one would be best for my needs.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+</font></span></blockquote><div><br>Whenever I need to backup anything Windows I just manually copy whatever I think I may need to an external drive.<br>You&#39;re probably safe if you copy the C:\Documents and Settings directory.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+<br>
+-- <br>
+Regards,<br>
+Phil<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi all,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Just to say thank you for the quality of the mageia 3 beta 1 !</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I bought a new pc (Asus X55a) for my mum originaly equipped with windows 8 and I wanted to use Mageia only on it</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia 1 or 2 - Problems encountered (after installation):</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">No ethernet card and no wifi card ... a pc without that is nearly not useful</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Found on internet a possible solution with ndiswrapper (not tried)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">... as it is a new pc so no risk to loose something important and so no problem to try a complete new version of mageia (the 3) :p </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia 3:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I used the live one (64 bits). </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Here under the problems I had (i will not open new bugzilla tickets because I will not have this pc in some days and so I won't be able to try solution ;))</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- If using the live mode : in some point during the instlallation I had just a black screen (complete freeze in the level not to do anything else to a hard reboot)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- So using the installation mode</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Problems encountered with this live 64 - beta 1 in installation mode using kde for windows manager :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- apparently better to use the grub2 instlall and not the grub entry: if not it is like to use it as a live version --&gt; black screen in some point)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- alt-f2 for searching applications --&gt; crash</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- problem to recover internet connection after using sleep to ram or sleeping to hard disk --&gt; no problem with the wifi connexion itself (if I look the applet) but you have not the internet connexion anymore --&gt; if i want the internet connexion back I must to create another new internet connexion (maybe loosing the fact that it is/was a wpa with key ???) or to do a complete restart of the pc</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So (MY) conclusion:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Just GREAT ! Even the fact it is only a beta and even it is just the FIRST beta it can be used normaly  for my mum with little restrictions for the suspend mode (HP printer, usb key, sound, mouse, using an external screen with Intel card, ... all OK)  :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">THANKS !</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A+</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Raph</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi all,</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Just to say thank you for the quality of the mageia 3 beta 1 !</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I bought a new pc (Asus X55a) for my mum originaly equipped with windows 8 and I wanted to use Mageia only on it</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia 1 or 2 - Problems encountered (after installation):</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">No ethernet card and no wifi card ... a pc without that is nearly not useful</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Found on internet a possible solution with ndiswrapper (not tried)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">... as it is a new pc so no risk to loose something important and so no problem to try a complete new version of mageia (the 3) :p </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Mageia 3:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">I used the live one (64 bits). </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Here under the problems I had (i will not open new bugzilla tickets because I will not have this pc in some days and so I won't be able to try solution ;))</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- If using the live mode : in some point during the instlallation I had just a black screen (complete freeze in the level not to do anything else to a hard reboot)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- So using the installation mode</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Problems encountered with this live 64 - beta 1 in installation mode using kde for windows manager :</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- apparently better to use the grub2 instlall and not the grub entry: if not it is like to use it as a live version --&gt; black screen in some point)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- alt-f2 for searching applications --&gt; crash</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">- problem to recover internet connection after using sleep to ram or sleeping to hard disk --&gt; no problem with the wifi connexion itself (if I look the applet) but you have not the internet connexion anymore --&gt; if i want the internet connexion back I must to create another new internet connexion (maybe loosing the fact that it is/was a wpa with key ???) or to do a complete restart of the pc</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">So (MY) conclusion:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Just GREAT ! Even the fact it is only a beta and even it is just the FIRST beta it can be used normaly  for my mum with little restrictions for the suspend mode (HP printer, usb key, sound, mouse, using an external screen with Intel card, ... all OK)  :)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">THANKS !</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">A+</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Raph</p>
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+Except it does let 3rd parties OS boot, at least on X86, since the norm mandate it. <br>And for arm tablet, no one reacted when Apple, Acer, Samsung, Archos and lots of others locked down their devices, so trying to argue that we now expect them to be open would not work.<br>
+<br>And regarding using consumer protection channels, no one did anything to make anything move since one year despite being widely publicized on various blogs, so how is your proposal different ? <br><br>Talk is cheap, if every people who proposed that ( for example, on slashdot or various foras where nerds are discussing ), someone would have started the work by the time. No one did, and that&#39;s because everybody that would be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions.<br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/30 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr" target="_blank">xrg@linux.gr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Sunday 30 December 2012, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt; It looks like the FSF is launching a campaign to stop the UEFI SecureBoot<br>
+&gt; from being adopted on a large scale basis.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Suggestion (in case it&#39;s not already considered) :<br>
+<br>
+We could also utilize the /consumer protection/ channels and demand that such<br>
+hardware comes with a big _sticker_ claiming &quot;this device cannot support any<br>
+3rd party software/operating system&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+It is important to emphasize on a /negative/ wording. One that would put off<br>
+the consumer from buying the locked-down device. Of course, in legal terms, we<br>
+must be very precise in what we ask for, because companies will try to change<br>
+the sticker to some positive message: &quot;this device is /protected/ against bad<br>
+software&quot; or so..<br>
+<br>
+If vendors don&#39;t apply the sticker, then, under current law (in most European<br>
+and US states), we have the right to *return* the device, claiming it does not<br>
+fulfil the purpose we have bought it for. A return will hurt the vendors/<br>
+manufacturers most, because of the extra cost of return shipment.<br>
+Again, we want the FSFs backing to help us secure our refund. For example,<br>
+claiming that &quot;a computer is supposed to be a /generic/ device, on which the<br>
+owner/user is able to install vendor-agnostic software&quot; could be a legal way<br>
+(with a widely-known precedent) for the consumer to react. (otoh, just going<br>
+back to the shop saying &quot;I don&#39;t want this crap&quot; may not be allowed in some<br>
+markets)<br>
+<br>
+I hope, such a consumer reaction would make manufacturers think twice before<br>
+taking our rights away.<br>
+<br>
+Happy new Year!<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+Except it does let 3rd parties OS boot, at least on X86, since the norm mandate it. <br>And for arm tablet, no one reacted when Apple, Acer, Samsung, Archos and lots of others locked down their devices, so trying to argue that we now expect them to be open would not work.<br>
+<br>And regarding using consumer protection channels, no one did anything to make anything move since one year despite being widely publicized on various blogs, so how is your proposal different ? <br><br>Talk is cheap, if every people who proposed that ( for example, on slashdot or various foras where nerds are discussing ), someone would have started the work by the time. No one did, and that&#39;s because everybody that would be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions.<br>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/30 P. Christeas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:xrg@linux.gr" target="_blank">xrg@linux.gr</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="im">On Sunday 30 December 2012, Max Quarterpleen wrote:<br>
+&gt; Hi all<br>
+&gt; It looks like the FSF is launching a campaign to stop the UEFI SecureBoot<br>
+&gt; from being adopted on a large scale basis.<br>
+<br>
+</div>Suggestion (in case it&#39;s not already considered) :<br>
+<br>
+We could also utilize the /consumer protection/ channels and demand that such<br>
+hardware comes with a big _sticker_ claiming &quot;this device cannot support any<br>
+3rd party software/operating system&quot;.<br>
+<br>
+It is important to emphasize on a /negative/ wording. One that would put off<br>
+the consumer from buying the locked-down device. Of course, in legal terms, we<br>
+must be very precise in what we ask for, because companies will try to change<br>
+the sticker to some positive message: &quot;this device is /protected/ against bad<br>
+software&quot; or so..<br>
+<br>
+If vendors don&#39;t apply the sticker, then, under current law (in most European<br>
+and US states), we have the right to *return* the device, claiming it does not<br>
+fulfil the purpose we have bought it for. A return will hurt the vendors/<br>
+manufacturers most, because of the extra cost of return shipment.<br>
+Again, we want the FSFs backing to help us secure our refund. For example,<br>
+claiming that &quot;a computer is supposed to be a /generic/ device, on which the<br>
+owner/user is able to install vendor-agnostic software&quot; could be a legal way<br>
+(with a widely-known precedent) for the consumer to react. (otoh, just going<br>
+back to the shop saying &quot;I don&#39;t want this crap&quot; may not be allowed in some<br>
+markets)<br>
+<br>
+I hope, such a consumer reaction would make manufacturers think twice before<br>
+taking our rights away.<br>
+<br>
+Happy new Year!<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi all<br>It looks like the FSF is launching a campaign to stop the UEFI SecureBoot from being adopted on a large scale basis.<br><a href="http://paritynews.com/software/item/530-the-free-software-foundation-campaigning-to-stop-uefi-secureboot">http://paritynews.com/software/item/530-the-free-software-foundation-campaigning-to-stop-uefi-secureboot</a><br>
+There&#39;s a place to sign:<br><a href="http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/signers">http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/signers</a><br><br>We probably want to sign this as people, and as an organization.<br>
+Good day.<br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Hi all<br>It looks like the FSF is launching a campaign to stop the UEFI SecureBoot from being adopted on a large scale basis.<br><a href="http://paritynews.com/software/item/530-the-free-software-foundation-campaigning-to-stop-uefi-secureboot">http://paritynews.com/software/item/530-the-free-software-foundation-campaigning-to-stop-uefi-secureboot</a><br>
+There&#39;s a place to sign:<br><a href="http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/signers">http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/secure-boot-vs-restricted-boot/signers</a><br><br>We probably want to sign this as people, and as an organization.<br>
+Good day.<br></div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/30 AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Op zondag 30 december 2012 21:17:38 schreef Ludovic V Meyer:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Except it does let 3rd parties OS boot, at least on X86, since the norm<br>
+&gt; mandate it.<br>
+&gt; And for arm tablet, no one reacted when Apple, Acer, Samsung, Archos and<br>
+&gt; lots of others locked down their devices, so trying to argue that we now<br>
+&gt; expect them to be open would not work.<br>
+<br>
+</div>actually, they didn&#39;t. you can root each of those iinm.<br></blockquote><div><br>Using 3rd exploit is not really what I call open, they are not supported, likely against DMCA most of the time, and IMHO not reliable. <br>
+Not to mention that it requires a manual intervention on each device. If we take the example of Apple, they closed every hole after a while when it was practical to do,and used the existing leagal way to prevent them ( see in 2009,<br>
+the update of the developper agreement ). And since I know you will surely talk of if, the DCMA ruling for jailbreaking is just for phone, because unlike France, telcos in USA do not have to unlock your phone after a few months.<br>
+<br>Not to mention that afaik, despites them being &quot;not closed&quot; by your definition, stuff like Iphonelinux are all dead in the water.<br>Cyanogenmod only exist because from time to time, Google do a code drop, and they still suffer from needing a custom fork of the kernel.<br>
+<br>So if the goal is &quot;to be able to run what I want on my device&quot;, that&#39;s something that can already be done for applications. What people should say is &quot;running what I want provided no money directly leave my pocket, but I do not mind spending days figuring how to do it, cause I prefer spend 1 week than giving 100 bucks&quot;.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+this is about having a secure key hardcoded &quot;burned&quot; in the device, which is<br>
+both stupid and annoying. because since apps need to be secured too, too many<br>
+people have access to the root key. which means the chance of leak is higher.<br>
+which means that your devices need to be thrown out when the rootkey is<br>
+compromised or when it&#39;s deemed obsolete and a new key will be in place.<br></blockquote><div><br>The key is handled by Verisign, and since that&#39;s their jobs since around 18 years, I think they are qualified to do it.<br>
+How many time in 18 years was the root cert of Verisign be compromised ?<br><br>Also, you are totally wrong about throwing the device if the key is leaked. This happened to the PS3 due to the world-record breaking ignorance of Sony ( or one sub contractor ), and AFAIK, the PS3 all around the world still work ( and also, no one formally complained about gaming consoles being closed, despite some of them just being powerful PCs ). The same goes for various phones/tablet who have been broken this way ( like the Asus transformer, AFAIK ). <br>
+<br>Burning a key in silicium is what Apple have been doing since a long time. That&#39;s also the modus operandi of TPM modules. They are used by several banking institutions as a way to make sure the harddrive is protected with bitlocker ( cause you do not want your highest executive laptops to be stolen and that this cause privacy and security issues ). IE, that is viewed as sufficient for FIPS certification and usage for military grade or banking grade security. And I am pretty sure the private key is stored in some HSM like the nShield solo or similar device.<br>
+<br>Not everybody work like your client ( the one we talked about yesterday on IRC, if I am not wrong ). Some people take security seriously, and check what happens. But that&#39;s not security of the root key that matter, since no one ever asked for public scrutiny or a independent audit.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+the thing here is that since you buy a device, it&#39;s yours and you can do what<br>
+you want with it. why would you give other parties control over your device?<br>
+it&#39;s stupid. there needs to be a way as an owner to decide which root keys you<br>
+trust or not.<br><div class="im"></div></blockquote><div><br>You do not give control to another party, you delegate trust handling to another party.<br>That&#39;s exactly what you do with a browser. Or your bank, or anything in life. <br>
+<br>Again, the norm mandate to be able to disable secureboot on x86 and to choose the key. The whole petition is about those that do not follow the norm, and for those, the incentive was to not being Windows 8 certified. So as annoying this will be, that&#39;s the best way to find something that let you run Linux.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+<br>
+&gt; And regarding using consumer protection channels, no one did anything to<br>
+&gt; make anything move since one year despite being widely publicized on<br>
+&gt; various blogs, so how is your proposal different ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Talk is cheap, if every people who proposed that ( for example, on slashdot<br>
+&gt; or various foras where nerds are discussing ), someone would have started<br>
+&gt; the work by the time. No one did, and that&#39;s because everybody that would<br>
+&gt; be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions.<br>
+<br>
+</div>in the end talk is cheap and noone does anything about it. or rather instead<br>
+of working together, all the companies who back the major linuxes decide to go<br>
+down the easy route. (like subscribing into the microsoft program and using<br>
+their root key...)<br></blockquote><div><br>All plans that requires someone else to do anything is just a way to blame failure to someone else. If you delegate all your action to someone else, you lose the right to complain about this group not doing what you want. Only delusional fools would believe otherwise.<br>
+<br>In fact, hardware not working on Linux is a decades old problem. We all have seen how boycott worked so well to have more hardware supported on linux, and how people happily trade freedom for convenience ( like nvidia drivers, printers, etc, etc ). People should just do a reality check from time to time before proposing the same plan again and again. Last time I checked, humans didn&#39;t evolve from goldfish, so maybe we could stop acting like them.<br>
+<br></div></div>
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+<br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/12/30 AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Op zondag 30 december 2012 21:17:38 schreef Ludovic V Meyer:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Except it does let 3rd parties OS boot, at least on X86, since the norm<br>
+&gt; mandate it.<br>
+&gt; And for arm tablet, no one reacted when Apple, Acer, Samsung, Archos and<br>
+&gt; lots of others locked down their devices, so trying to argue that we now<br>
+&gt; expect them to be open would not work.<br>
+<br>
+</div>actually, they didn&#39;t. you can root each of those iinm.<br></blockquote><div><br>Using 3rd exploit is not really what I call open, they are not supported, likely against DMCA most of the time, and IMHO not reliable. <br>
+Not to mention that it requires a manual intervention on each device. If we take the example of Apple, they closed every hole after a while when it was practical to do,and used the existing leagal way to prevent them ( see in 2009,<br>
+the update of the developper agreement ). And since I know you will surely talk of if, the DCMA ruling for jailbreaking is just for phone, because unlike France, telcos in USA do not have to unlock your phone after a few months.<br>
+<br>Not to mention that afaik, despites them being &quot;not closed&quot; by your definition, stuff like Iphonelinux are all dead in the water.<br>Cyanogenmod only exist because from time to time, Google do a code drop, and they still suffer from needing a custom fork of the kernel.<br>
+<br>So if the goal is &quot;to be able to run what I want on my device&quot;, that&#39;s something that can already be done for applications. What people should say is &quot;running what I want provided no money directly leave my pocket, but I do not mind spending days figuring how to do it, cause I prefer spend 1 week than giving 100 bucks&quot;.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+this is about having a secure key hardcoded &quot;burned&quot; in the device, which is<br>
+both stupid and annoying. because since apps need to be secured too, too many<br>
+people have access to the root key. which means the chance of leak is higher.<br>
+which means that your devices need to be thrown out when the rootkey is<br>
+compromised or when it&#39;s deemed obsolete and a new key will be in place.<br></blockquote><div><br>The key is handled by Verisign, and since that&#39;s their jobs since around 18 years, I think they are qualified to do it.<br>
+How many time in 18 years was the root cert of Verisign be compromised ?<br><br>Also, you are totally wrong about throwing the device if the key is leaked. This happened to the PS3 due to the world-record breaking ignorance of Sony ( or one sub contractor ), and AFAIK, the PS3 all around the world still work ( and also, no one formally complained about gaming consoles being closed, despite some of them just being powerful PCs ). The same goes for various phones/tablet who have been broken this way ( like the Asus transformer, AFAIK ). <br>
+<br>Burning a key in silicium is what Apple have been doing since a long time. That&#39;s also the modus operandi of TPM modules. They are used by several banking institutions as a way to make sure the harddrive is protected with bitlocker ( cause you do not want your highest executive laptops to be stolen and that this cause privacy and security issues ). IE, that is viewed as sufficient for FIPS certification and usage for military grade or banking grade security. And I am pretty sure the private key is stored in some HSM like the nShield solo or similar device.<br>
+<br>Not everybody work like your client ( the one we talked about yesterday on IRC, if I am not wrong ). Some people take security seriously, and check what happens. But that&#39;s not security of the root key that matter, since no one ever asked for public scrutiny or a independent audit.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+the thing here is that since you buy a device, it&#39;s yours and you can do what<br>
+you want with it. why would you give other parties control over your device?<br>
+it&#39;s stupid. there needs to be a way as an owner to decide which root keys you<br>
+trust or not.<br><div class="im"></div></blockquote><div><br>You do not give control to another party, you delegate trust handling to another party.<br>That&#39;s exactly what you do with a browser. Or your bank, or anything in life. <br>
+<br>Again, the norm mandate to be able to disable secureboot on x86 and to choose the key. The whole petition is about those that do not follow the norm, and for those, the incentive was to not being Windows 8 certified. So as annoying this will be, that&#39;s the best way to find something that let you run Linux.<br>
+<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+<br>
+&gt; And regarding using consumer protection channels, no one did anything to<br>
+&gt; make anything move since one year despite being widely publicized on<br>
+&gt; various blogs, so how is your proposal different ?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Talk is cheap, if every people who proposed that ( for example, on slashdot<br>
+&gt; or various foras where nerds are discussing ), someone would have started<br>
+&gt; the work by the time. No one did, and that&#39;s because everybody that would<br>
+&gt; be serious enough know this is built on wrong assumptions.<br>
+<br>
+</div>in the end talk is cheap and noone does anything about it. or rather instead<br>
+of working together, all the companies who back the major linuxes decide to go<br>
+down the easy route. (like subscribing into the microsoft program and using<br>
+their root key...)<br></blockquote><div><br>All plans that requires someone else to do anything is just a way to blame failure to someone else. If you delegate all your action to someone else, you lose the right to complain about this group not doing what you want. Only delusional fools would believe otherwise.<br>
+<br>In fact, hardware not working on Linux is a decades old problem. We all have seen how boycott worked so well to have more hardware supported on linux, and how people happily trade freedom for convenience ( like nvidia drivers, printers, etc, etc ). People should just do a reality check from time to time before proposing the same plan again and again. Last time I checked, humans didn&#39;t evolve from goldfish, so maybe we could stop acting like them.<br>
+<br></div></div>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Hello,
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    I have started to document this tool : <br>
+    <h4 _path="/0/0/0/0" class="db_title db_section_title"><span
+        _path="/0/0/0/0/0" class="text-node">Set up a new network
+        interface (LAN, ISDN, ADSL, ...)</span></h4>
+    It is accessible in Calenco and visible soon here :
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+      href="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/draksambashare.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/drakconnect.html</a>
+    for
+    <br>
+    technically proofreading.
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Some sections are not documented, besause it is necessary to have
+    the hardware connected to configure it:<br>
+    - Satellite connection (DVB)<br>
+    - Cable modem connection<br>
+    - GPRS/Edge/3G connection<br>
+    - Bluetoth Dial-Up Networking connection<br>
+    <br>
+    If you have such a hardware, you can provide to doc team screenshots
+    at each step of the configuration, or write the section.<br>
+    <br>
+    The technical proofreading means:
+    <br>
+    1/ Detect if some part of documentation is lacking, for example a
+    path for a wizard, or some window.
+    <br>
+    2/ Detect if what it is said is correct or not.
+    <br>
+    3/ Indicate if you feel that some part must be more detailed, for
+    example the implication of some options.
+    <br>
+    4/ Indicate if you feel that the actions done by the tool are not
+    enough described, for example which files are modified, which
+    service is restarted...
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    You can give your opinion even on one point and even if you do not
+    know how to complete/modify the documentation. You're welcome <span
+      class="moz-smiley-s1" title=":)"></span>
+    <br>
+    Papoteur
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+
+    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    Hello,
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    I have started to document this tool : <br>
+    <h4 _path="/0/0/0/0" class="db_title db_section_title"><span
+        _path="/0/0/0/0/0" class="text-node">Set up a new network
+        interface (LAN, ISDN, ADSL, ...)</span></h4>
+    It is accessible in Calenco and visible soon here :
+    <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
+      href="http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/draksambashare.html">http://docteam.mageia.nl/en/MCC/content/drakconnect.html</a>
+    for
+    <br>
+    technically proofreading.
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    Some sections are not documented, besause it is necessary to have
+    the hardware connected to configure it:<br>
+    - Satellite connection (DVB)<br>
+    - Cable modem connection<br>
+    - GPRS/Edge/3G connection<br>
+    - Bluetoth Dial-Up Networking connection<br>
+    <br>
+    If you have such a hardware, you can provide to doc team screenshots
+    at each step of the configuration, or write the section.<br>
+    <br>
+    The technical proofreading means:
+    <br>
+    1/ Detect if some part of documentation is lacking, for example a
+    path for a wizard, or some window.
+    <br>
+    2/ Detect if what it is said is correct or not.
+    <br>
+    3/ Indicate if you feel that some part must be more detailed, for
+    example the implication of some options.
+    <br>
+    4/ Indicate if you feel that the actions done by the tool are not
+    enough described, for example which files are modified, which
+    service is restarted...
+    <br>
+    <br>
+    You can give your opinion even on one point and even if you do not
+    know how to complete/modify the documentation. You're welcome <span
+      class="moz-smiley-s1" title=":)"></span>
+    <br>
+    Papoteur
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday 10 January 2013 13:57:57 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As some of you know, in november or so I had to replace my old mdv2008.1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; install with Mageia 2, due to a harddrive crash. And that's a good thing,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; most of you will say. :-)= The major reason I kept the old version was</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; because KNode for KDE3 worked with GnuPG signatures, wheras KNode for KDE4</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; does Not. It is simply not possible to verify any signatures, not even my</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; own. [1] [1] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192198</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So now I need a (graphical) replacement for KNode. However I have two</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; requirements for a replacement. If either one is not met, there is no point</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; in switching. 1: It must separate multiple usenet servers. (I have 6 usenet</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; servers configured) 2: It must support GnuPG signing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I have spent the last few hours testing both pan and claws-mail.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Pan is not happening. It treats all usenet servers as 1 big server, and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; doesnt really care which server ut uses, as long as any server carries the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; group. This I cannot live with. I need to be able to separate the various</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; usenet servers, the same way an email client separates the various pop and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; imap accounts. Knode does this.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Claws-mail looks promising, but I cannot get it to support encryption, let</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; alone signing. The documentation says it need a few core plugins and gpgme.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and I can't see that I don't have all requirements. ===</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; $ rpm -qa|grep gpg|grep -v pubkey|sort</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64gpg-error0-1.10-2.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64gpgme11-1.3.1-2.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64gpgme++2-4.8.5-1.1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64qgpgme1-4.8.5-1.1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libgpg-error-common-1.10-2.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; $ rpm -qa|grep claws|sort</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; claws-mail-3.8.1-1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; claws-mail-pgpcore-plugin-3.8.1-1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; claws-mail-pgpinline-plugin-3.8.1-1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; claws-mail-pgpmime-plugin-3.8.1-1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ===</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So, does anyone have an idea for a graphical USENET client I can use in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia 2?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I do not ever send out anything that is not signed with gnupg, that includes</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; usenet postings. So being able to sign any and all usenet postings is vital</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; for me. It verifies for those that care to check that something really was</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; sendt by me, and not an imposter. (And I know that some of the readers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; care.) (If someone read a usenet posting or email that claim to be sendt</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; from me during the last 10 years, I did not send it.)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Can't help you with alternatives, but did you know that Trinity is available for MGA2? You should be able to use Trinity-knode under KDE4. (i use Quanta under KDE4 with no problems)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://trinity.mangafrance.com/mga2/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday 10 January 2013 13:57:57 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; As some of you know, in november or so I had to replace my old mdv2008.1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; install with Mageia 2, due to a harddrive crash. And that's a good thing,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; most of you will say. :-)= The major reason I kept the old version was</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; because KNode for KDE3 worked with GnuPG signatures, wheras KNode for KDE4</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; does Not. It is simply not possible to verify any signatures, not even my</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; own. [1] [1] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=192198</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So now I need a (graphical) replacement for KNode. However I have two</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; requirements for a replacement. If either one is not met, there is no point</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; in switching. 1: It must separate multiple usenet servers. (I have 6 usenet</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; servers configured) 2: It must support GnuPG signing.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I have spent the last few hours testing both pan and claws-mail.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Pan is not happening. It treats all usenet servers as 1 big server, and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; doesnt really care which server ut uses, as long as any server carries the</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; group. This I cannot live with. I need to be able to separate the various</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; usenet servers, the same way an email client separates the various pop and</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; imap accounts. Knode does this.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Claws-mail looks promising, but I cannot get it to support encryption, let</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; alone signing. The documentation says it need a few core plugins and gpgme.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; and I can't see that I don't have all requirements. ===</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; $ rpm -qa|grep gpg|grep -v pubkey|sort</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64gpg-error0-1.10-2.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64gpgme11-1.3.1-2.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64gpgme++2-4.8.5-1.1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; lib64qgpgme1-4.8.5-1.1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; libgpg-error-common-1.10-2.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; $ rpm -qa|grep claws|sort</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; claws-mail-3.8.1-1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; claws-mail-pgpcore-plugin-3.8.1-1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; claws-mail-pgpinline-plugin-3.8.1-1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; claws-mail-pgpmime-plugin-3.8.1-1.mga2</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; ===</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; So, does anyone have an idea for a graphical USENET client I can use in</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Mageia 2?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I do not ever send out anything that is not signed with gnupg, that includes</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; usenet postings. So being able to sign any and all usenet postings is vital</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; for me. It verifies for those that care to check that something really was</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; sendt by me, and not an imposter. (And I know that some of the readers</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; care.) (If someone read a usenet posting or email that claim to be sendt</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; from me during the last 10 years, I did not send it.)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Can't help you with alternatives, but did you know that Trinity is available for MGA2? You should be able to use Trinity-knode under KDE4. (i use Quanta under KDE4 with no problems)</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://trinity.mangafrance.com/mga2/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday 10 January 2013 14:42:33 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Thursday 10. January 2013 14.18, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; did you know that Trinity is available for MGA2?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Unfortunately they don't seem to publish their SRPMS, so I can't use it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Don't understand this, just add the Trinity repo, no need to compile your own.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Unless you mean for philosophical reasons in which case the source is available from Trinity.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; You should be able to use Trinity-knode under KDE4.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's no different than the knode I'm currently using. Due to a bug in KNode,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It can't verify gpg/pgp signatures in usenet postings, which is why I need</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; a replacement.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Trinity-knode is effectively the KDE3 knode so not the same as you are using now.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; (i use Quanta under KDE4 with no problems)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Quanta is a web developnet environment. I was looking for a usenet reader.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; :-)= Besides, I use a text editor (mcedit) for my own web development. :-)=</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Agreed, just an example to show that the Trinity progs work OK under MGA2.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday 10 January 2013 14:42:33 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Thursday 10. January 2013 14.18, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; did you know that Trinity is available for MGA2?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Unfortunately they don't seem to publish their SRPMS, so I can't use it.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Don't understand this, just add the Trinity repo, no need to compile your own.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Unless you mean for philosophical reasons in which case the source is available from Trinity.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; You should be able to use Trinity-knode under KDE4.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's no different than the knode I'm currently using. Due to a bug in KNode,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It can't verify gpg/pgp signatures in usenet postings, which is why I need</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; a replacement.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Trinity-knode is effectively the KDE3 knode so not the same as you are using now.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; (i use Quanta under KDE4 with no problems)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Quanta is a web developnet environment. I was looking for a usenet reader.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; :-)= Besides, I use a text editor (mcedit) for my own web development. :-)=</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Agreed, just an example to show that the Trinity progs work OK under MGA2.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday 10 January 2013 15:06:42 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Thursday 10. January 2013 14.48, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; no need to compile your own. Unless you mean for philosophical reasons</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I never install binaries from third party repos, unless its blessed,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; supported or otherwize recommended from the distro in question. (Such as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; PLF). And unless I'm mistaken, Mageia doesn't support or recommend third</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; party repos. For that I need to recompile the sources on my own.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">That's a fair enough reason.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; in which case the source is available from Trinity.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I can't find the sources. The sources folder is empty:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://trinity.mangafrance.com/mga2/trinity-3.5.13/SRPMS/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://trinity.blackmag.net/releases/3.5.13.1/downloads.html</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Trinity-knode is effectively the KDE3 knode so not the same as you are</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; using now.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; How do you handle bug fixes and security patches? KDE3 is unsupported, as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; far as I know.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.trinitydesktop.org/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Thursday 10 January 2013 15:06:42 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Thursday 10. January 2013 14.48, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; no need to compile your own. Unless you mean for philosophical reasons</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I never install binaries from third party repos, unless its blessed,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; supported or otherwize recommended from the distro in question. (Such as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; PLF). And unless I'm mistaken, Mageia doesn't support or recommend third</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; party repos. For that I need to recompile the sources on my own.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">That's a fair enough reason.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; in which case the source is available from Trinity.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I can't find the sources. The sources folder is empty:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; http://trinity.mangafrance.com/mga2/trinity-3.5.13/SRPMS/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://trinity.blackmag.net/releases/3.5.13.1/downloads.html</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; Trinity-knode is effectively the KDE3 knode so not the same as you are</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; using now.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; How do you handle bug fixes and security patches? KDE3 is unsupported, as</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; far as I know.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.trinitydesktop.org/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 11 January 2013 08:29:30 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Thursday 10. January 2013 18.21, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I can't find the sources. The sources folder is empty:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; http://trinity.mangafrance.com/mga2/trinity-3.5.13/SRPMS/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://trinity.blackmag.net/releases/3.5.13.1/downloads.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Those are the compressed archives, but where are the source rpms used to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; build the rpms?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://trinity.mangafrance.com/el6/trinity-3.5.13/SRPMS/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 11 January 2013 08:29:30 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Thursday 10. January 2013 18.21, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; I can't find the sources. The sources folder is empty:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; http://trinity.mangafrance.com/mga2/trinity-3.5.13/SRPMS/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://trinity.blackmag.net/releases/3.5.13.1/downloads.html</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Those are the compressed archives, but where are the source rpms used to</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; build the rpms?</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://trinity.mangafrance.com/el6/trinity-3.5.13/SRPMS/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p>Make sure that ntfs-3g is installed and you SHOULD be fine.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Den 10 jan 2013 23:50 skrev &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+In a blog post[1], someone I know have an idea for implementing some autodetetion (for Debian in his case), that when a hardware device is inserted will propose to install packages needed to operate the device.<br>
+I don&#39;t have that many external hardware devices that I plug in and out on a regular basis, so I don&#39;t quite know how Mageia does this. So I wanted to ask, do we have something similar to this that I can point him to, so he don&#39;t have to invent a wheel that might already exist?<br>
+
+<br>
+[1] <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lets_make_hardware_dongles_easier_to_use_in_Debian.html" target="_blank">http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lets_make_hardware_dongles_easier_to_use_in_Debian.html</a><br>
+
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p>Make sure that ntfs-3g is installed and you SHOULD be fine.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Den 10 jan 2013 23:50 skrev &quot;Johnny A. Solbu&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:cooker@solbu.net">cooker@solbu.net</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+In a blog post[1], someone I know have an idea for implementing some autodetetion (for Debian in his case), that when a hardware device is inserted will propose to install packages needed to operate the device.<br>
+I don&#39;t have that many external hardware devices that I plug in and out on a regular basis, so I don&#39;t quite know how Mageia does this. So I wanted to ask, do we have something similar to this that I can point him to, so he don&#39;t have to invent a wheel that might already exist?<br>
+
+<br>
+[1] <a href="http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lets_make_hardware_dongles_easier_to_use_in_Debian.html" target="_blank">http://people.skolelinux.org/pere/blog/Lets_make_hardware_dongles_easier_to_use_in_Debian.html</a><br>
+
+<br>
+--<br>
+Johnny A. Solbu<br>
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Bitstream Vera Sans'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 11 January 2013 10:55:21 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Friday 11. January 2013 10.46, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; where are the source rpms used to build the rpms?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://trinity.mangafrance.com/el6/trinity-3.5.13/SRPMS/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Ahh, look at that. Thank you. :-)=</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; May I suggest that the other empty SRPMS folders for all distros you support</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; be linked to the folder that actually contain them.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You'll have to ask the devs there, I'm merely a user.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Friday 11 January 2013 10:55:21 Johnny A. Solbu wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; On Friday 11. January 2013 10.46, Richard wrote:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; &gt; where are the source rpms used to build the rpms?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; &gt; http://trinity.mangafrance.com/el6/trinity-3.5.13/SRPMS/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Ahh, look at that. Thank you. :-)=</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; May I suggest that the other empty SRPMS folders for all distros you support</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; be linked to the folder that actually contain them.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">You'll have to ask the devs there, I'm merely a user.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Richard.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.leiston.info</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">http://www.rose-linux.net</p></body></html>
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+You are not alone...I have Mageia 2 running KDE on 4 machines and one of them does this.<br><br clear="all"><div><b>Dennis Griffin</b><br>Grants Pass, Oregon<br>541-479-3079<br>541-450-0042 cell<br><a href="mailto:dennisgrif@gmail.com" target="_blank">dennisgrif@gmail.com</a><br>
+<a href="http://griffin.isa-geek.net/" target="_blank">http://griffin.isa-geek.net</a><br></div>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:27 PM, bascule <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:asura@theexcession.co.uk" target="_blank">asura@theexcession.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+despite saving my session over and ver again, for no reason i can see my<br>
+desktop icons keep disappearing every 3rd or 4th boot it seems, not every<br>
+other boot because after resetting them and saving the session they are there<br>
+the next boot or two,<br>
+to get the icons back i go to the cashew, select folder view settings, change<br>
+it to desktop view, apply and change it back to folder view settings apply and<br>
+there are my desktop icons, of course they are the wrong size and in the wrong<br>
+arrangement, i fix that and they stay for the next few boots, i have 6<br>
+workspaces with separate desktops and two of them have icons on them, this is<br>
+in updated mageia2<br>
+am i alone in this?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+bascule<br>
+--<br>
+&quot;I teleported home one night<br>
+With Ron and Sid and Meg.<br>
+Ron stole Meggie&#39;s heart away<br>
+And I got Sidney&#39;s leg.&quot;<br>
+<br>
+- A poem about matter transference beams.<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+You are not alone...I have Mageia 2 running KDE on 4 machines and one of them does this.<br><br clear="all"><div><b>Dennis Griffin</b><br>Grants Pass, Oregon<br>541-479-3079<br>541-450-0042 cell<br><a href="mailto:dennisgrif@gmail.com" target="_blank">dennisgrif@gmail.com</a><br>
+<a href="http://griffin.isa-geek.net/" target="_blank">http://griffin.isa-geek.net</a><br></div>
+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 8, 2012 at 3:27 PM, bascule <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:asura@theexcession.co.uk" target="_blank">asura@theexcession.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+despite saving my session over and ver again, for no reason i can see my<br>
+desktop icons keep disappearing every 3rd or 4th boot it seems, not every<br>
+other boot because after resetting them and saving the session they are there<br>
+the next boot or two,<br>
+to get the icons back i go to the cashew, select folder view settings, change<br>
+it to desktop view, apply and change it back to folder view settings apply and<br>
+there are my desktop icons, of course they are the wrong size and in the wrong<br>
+arrangement, i fix that and they stay for the next few boots, i have 6<br>
+workspaces with separate desktops and two of them have icons on them, this is<br>
+in updated mageia2<br>
+am i alone in this?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+bascule<br>
+--<br>
+&quot;I teleported home one night<br>
+With Ron and Sid and Meg.<br>
+Ron stole Meggie&#39;s heart away<br>
+And I got Sidney&#39;s leg.&quot;<br>
+<br>
+- A poem about matter transference beams.<br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>
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+In my case I installed the new kernel on a desktop and on a laptop. On the desktop the nvidia driver worked fine until I tried to use bzflag, which runs in, I think it is, framebuffer mode. On the laptop, the wifi stopped working.<br>
+<br>I didn&#39;t have time to investigate what was happening. Reverting to the old kernel solved the problems.<br><br>My 2 cents.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:43 PM, AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Op vrijdag 18 januari 2013 21:30:58 schreef Luca Olivetti:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Al 18/01/13 19:00, En/na Morgan Leijström ha escrit:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Analysis and workaround:<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8738" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8738</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>a different kernel bug?<br>
+<br>
+after updates on mga2, i had quite some strangeness: first of all, after a<br>
+little while of not yet rebooting, i got a complete hang of my system, SysRq<br>
+keys worked, it appeared to be a CPU stall...<br>
+<br>
+after reboot, my mouse didn&#39;t work. i replugged and then it did work.<br>
+<br>
+looking through the logs on what happend, i saw the kswapd0 info, and later<br>
+the hang in the form of continuous CPU stall INFO. but keyb/mouse hadn&#39;t<br>
+worked (keyboard is PS2)<br>
+<br>
+I did however note the following when booting up:<br>
+<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.229050] ohci_hcd: USB 1.1 &#39;Open&#39; Host<br>
+Controller (OHCI) Driver<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.229121] ohci_hcd 0000:00:12.0: OHCI<br>
+Host Controller<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.229152] ohci_hcd 0000:00:12.0: new<br>
+USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.229186] ohci_hcd 0000:00:12.0: irq<br>
+16, io mem 0xfcefe000<br>
+...<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.230887] ehci_hcd: USB 2.0 &#39;Enhanced&#39;<br>
+Host Controller (EHCI) Driver<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.230889] Warning! ehci_hcd should<br>
+always be loaded before uhci_hcd and ohci_hcd, not after<br>
+...<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    3.059594] usb 3-1: new low-speed USB<br>
+device number 2 using xhci_hcd<br>
+...<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    8.059817] xhci_hcd 0000:04:00.0:<br>
+Timeout while waiting for address device command<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+hmm... could the loading of ohci before ehci explain that mouse issue?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+now, i admit to not rebooting right away, but this is likely less than an hour<br>
+after doing the updates...<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+In my case I installed the new kernel on a desktop and on a laptop. On the desktop the nvidia driver worked fine until I tried to use bzflag, which runs in, I think it is, framebuffer mode. On the laptop, the wifi stopped working.<br>
+<br>I didn&#39;t have time to investigate what was happening. Reverting to the old kernel solved the problems.<br><br>My 2 cents.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:43 PM, AL13N <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:alien@rmail.be" target="_blank">alien@rmail.be</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Op vrijdag 18 januari 2013 21:30:58 schreef Luca Olivetti:<br>
+<div class="im">&gt; Al 18/01/13 19:00, En/na Morgan Leijström ha escrit:<br>
+&gt; &gt; Analysis and workaround:<br>
+&gt; &gt; <a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8738" target="_blank">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8738</a><br>
+<br>
+</div>a different kernel bug?<br>
+<br>
+after updates on mga2, i had quite some strangeness: first of all, after a<br>
+little while of not yet rebooting, i got a complete hang of my system, SysRq<br>
+keys worked, it appeared to be a CPU stall...<br>
+<br>
+after reboot, my mouse didn&#39;t work. i replugged and then it did work.<br>
+<br>
+looking through the logs on what happend, i saw the kswapd0 info, and later<br>
+the hang in the form of continuous CPU stall INFO. but keyb/mouse hadn&#39;t<br>
+worked (keyboard is PS2)<br>
+<br>
+I did however note the following when booting up:<br>
+<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.229050] ohci_hcd: USB 1.1 &#39;Open&#39; Host<br>
+Controller (OHCI) Driver<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.229121] ohci_hcd 0000:00:12.0: OHCI<br>
+Host Controller<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.229152] ohci_hcd 0000:00:12.0: new<br>
+USB bus registered, assigned bus number 1<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.229186] ohci_hcd 0000:00:12.0: irq<br>
+16, io mem 0xfcefe000<br>
+...<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.230887] ehci_hcd: USB 2.0 &#39;Enhanced&#39;<br>
+Host Controller (EHCI) Driver<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    2.230889] Warning! ehci_hcd should<br>
+always be loaded before uhci_hcd and ohci_hcd, not after<br>
+...<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    3.059594] usb 3-1: new low-speed USB<br>
+device number 2 using xhci_hcd<br>
+...<br>
+Jan 19 22:20:25 localhost kernel: [    8.059817] xhci_hcd 0000:04:00.0:<br>
+Timeout while waiting for address device command<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+hmm... could the loading of ohci before ehci explain that mouse issue?<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+now, i admit to not rebooting right away, but this is likely less than an hour<br>
+after doing the updates...<br>
+</blockquote></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/22 Trish Fraser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:trish@thefrasers.org" target="_blank">trish@thefrasers.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi folks,<br>
+<br>
+I answered a series of questions from Rohan a few days ago, and this is<br>
+the outcome:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/451362/linux_distro_spotlight_mageia/" target="_blank">http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/451362/linux_distro_spotlight_mageia/</a><br>
+<br>
+Friends everywhere!<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607<br>
+Tue Jan 22 15:57:09 EST 2013<br>
+GNU/Linux 1997-2012 #283226 <a href="http://counter.li.org" target="_blank">counter.li.org</a><br>
+cassiopeia up 7 hour(s), 13 min.<br>
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64<br>
+kernel 3.4.24-desktop-3.mga2<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Good work Trish<br>:)<br> <br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/22 Trish Fraser <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:trish@thefrasers.org" target="_blank">trish@thefrasers.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi folks,<br>
+<br>
+I answered a series of questions from Rohan a few days ago, and this is<br>
+the outcome:<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/451362/linux_distro_spotlight_mageia/" target="_blank">http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/451362/linux_distro_spotlight_mageia/</a><br>
+<br>
+Friends everywhere!<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+--<br>
+Trish Fraser, VVMZ4 91L2V -35.67910, 142.66607<br>
+Tue Jan 22 15:57:09 EST 2013<br>
+GNU/Linux 1997-2012 #283226 <a href="http://counter.li.org" target="_blank">counter.li.org</a><br>
+cassiopeia up 7 hour(s), 13 min.<br>
+Mageia release 2 (Official) for x86_64<br>
+kernel 3.4.24-desktop-3.mga2<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Good work Trish<br>:)<br> <br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Good choice! I like best xfce.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/26 Manuel Hiebel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu" target="_blank">manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 26/01/2013 15:25, Antoine Pitrou a �crit :<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:50:32 +0100<br>
+&gt; Anne Nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The release is finally done. Isos of beta2 are available on public mirrors:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/01/25/time-for-tests-mageia-3-beta-2-is-out/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/01/25/time-for-tests-mageia-3-beta-2-is-out/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks for all the hard work. We are now in the last run. We need tests<br>
+&gt;&gt; more than ever.<br>
+&gt; I see no mention of XFCE in the graphical environments:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_beta2#Graphical_environments" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_beta2#Graphical_environments</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is it really not available or has it simply been overlooked in the<br>
+&gt; above document?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Antoine.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Indeed, and since this beta, you can install it from the classical install (other desktop checkbox or task-xfce in the manual choice.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr">Good choice! I like best xfce.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/1/26 Manuel Hiebel <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu" target="_blank">manuel.mageia@hiebel.eu</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Le 26/01/2013 15:25, Antoine Pitrou a �crit :<br>
+<div><div class="h5">&gt; On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:50:32 +0100<br>
+&gt; Anne Nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael1@gmail.com">ennael1@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;&gt; Hi there<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; The release is finally done. Isos of beta2 are available on public mirrors:<br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/01/25/time-for-tests-mageia-3-beta-2-is-out/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/01/25/time-for-tests-mageia-3-beta-2-is-out/</a><br>
+&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt;&gt; Thanks for all the hard work. We are now in the last run. We need tests<br>
+&gt;&gt; more than ever.<br>
+&gt; I see no mention of XFCE in the graphical environments:<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_beta2#Graphical_environments" target="_blank">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_3_beta2#Graphical_environments</a><br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Is it really not available or has it simply been overlooked in the<br>
+&gt; above document?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Regards<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Antoine.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Indeed, and since this beta, you can install it from the classical install (other desktop checkbox or task-xfce in the manual choice.<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<p>For those coming to restaurant tonight 20h<br>
+Chez patrick<br>
+6 rue des chapeliers (very near grand place)<br>
+Cheers</p>
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+<p>For those coming to restaurant tonight 20h<br>
+Chez patrick<br>
+6 rue des chapeliers (very near grand place)<br>
+Cheers</p>
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+Hi Donald,<br><br>Could you send me the tarball? I would like so much!<br><br>Thank you;<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/13 Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com" target="_blank">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 13 February 2013 14:00, Filipe Saraiva &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Where can I found the Mageia Cauldron ksplash theme?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think it awesome, but it was removed from disto recently, correct?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thank you;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Filipe Saraiva<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Ksplash is still being used at least for MGA3, I imagine we will<br>
+switch to qml for MGA4 though.<br>
+The theme is located in mageia-kde4-config, however, I can mail you a<br>
+tarball of just the theme if you would like.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a>
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+Hi Donald,<br><br>Could you send me the tarball? I would like so much!<br><br>Thank you;<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/2/13 Donald Stewart <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:watersnowrock@gmail.com" target="_blank">watersnowrock@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 13 February 2013 14:00, Filipe Saraiva &lt;<a href="mailto:filip.saraiva@gmail.com">filip.saraiva@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+
+&gt; Where can I found the Mageia Cauldron ksplash theme?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I think it awesome, but it was removed from disto recently, correct?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Thank you;<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; --<br>
+&gt; Filipe Saraiva<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a><br>
+<br>
+</div></div>Ksplash is still being used at least for MGA3, I imagine we will<br>
+switch to qml for MGA4 though.<br>
+The theme is located in mageia-kde4-config, however, I can mail you a<br>
+tarball of just the theme if you would like.<br>
+</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a>
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+Where can I found the Mageia Cauldron ksplash theme? <br><br>I think it awesome, but it was removed from disto recently, correct?<br><br>Thank you;<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a>
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+Where can I found the Mageia Cauldron ksplash theme? <br><br>I think it awesome, but it was removed from disto recently, correct?<br><br>Thank you;<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Filipe Saraiva<br><a href="http://filipesaraiva.info/" target="_blank">http://filipesaraiva.info/</a>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Morgan Leijstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu" target="_blank">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+With the risk of sounding grumpy i suggest to hammer your payment provider to<br>
+fix their bug.<br>
+<br>
+I think no solution that include scanning is less time consuming than proof<br>
+read manually typed number.<br>
+Besises, you need to proof read the scan anyway ;)<br></blockquote></div><br>Actually, there are solutions that are virtually error-proof. However, that assumes that the banks and the issuers of the bills work together. I have lived for several years in Switzerland and there the payment slips are completely standardized, in machine readable form. Every bill you get is using one of these. I think Juergen is talking about those, considering he is in Geneva. The Swiss slips have a long code on them that indicates who is recipient of the payment, the sum, the identification of the bill (e.g. a facture number or month number if it is something like rent) and a checksum. So the chance that the machine would accept an incorrect code is virtually nil. <br>
+<br>Swiss banks offer either a portable reader that you can use with internetbanking or there are self-service kiosks in the branches where you can pay these by simply scanning them in the machine. Unless the slip was dirty or excessively wrinkled, I have never had a single issue in the 4 years I lived there, the reading and the checks against your account are very robust. It was so convenient that I have often walked to the UBS branch office on the campus after work to use the kiosk rather then be bothered with retyping at home (I didn&#39;t have the portable scanner). You log into the machine with your credit card (or account card), scan all the slips, click approve, go home. In Juergen&#39;s place I would go and talk to the bank - I am sure they offer this sort of slip scanner and e.g. UBS (one of the major Swiss banks) has even a cellphone app for it. <br>
+<br>However, if you want to do this as something general, where the slips aren&#39;t standard (e.g. here in France) or the fields are not in standard places - that is pretty much hopeless. Doublechecking the scans and then somehow integrating it into the internetbanking would be really hard and fragile thing to do. You are better off with setting up automatic debit authorizations and not bothering with slips in that case.<br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>J.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 11:08 AM, Morgan Leijstr�m <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:fri@tribun.eu" target="_blank">fri@tribun.eu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+With the risk of sounding grumpy i suggest to hammer your payment provider to<br>
+fix their bug.<br>
+<br>
+I think no solution that include scanning is less time consuming than proof<br>
+read manually typed number.<br>
+Besises, you need to proof read the scan anyway ;)<br></blockquote></div><br>Actually, there are solutions that are virtually error-proof. However, that assumes that the banks and the issuers of the bills work together. I have lived for several years in Switzerland and there the payment slips are completely standardized, in machine readable form. Every bill you get is using one of these. I think Juergen is talking about those, considering he is in Geneva. The Swiss slips have a long code on them that indicates who is recipient of the payment, the sum, the identification of the bill (e.g. a facture number or month number if it is something like rent) and a checksum. So the chance that the machine would accept an incorrect code is virtually nil. <br>
+<br>Swiss banks offer either a portable reader that you can use with internetbanking or there are self-service kiosks in the branches where you can pay these by simply scanning them in the machine. Unless the slip was dirty or excessively wrinkled, I have never had a single issue in the 4 years I lived there, the reading and the checks against your account are very robust. It was so convenient that I have often walked to the UBS branch office on the campus after work to use the kiosk rather then be bothered with retyping at home (I didn&#39;t have the portable scanner). You log into the machine with your credit card (or account card), scan all the slips, click approve, go home. In Juergen&#39;s place I would go and talk to the bank - I am sure they offer this sort of slip scanner and e.g. UBS (one of the major Swiss banks) has even a cellphone app for it. <br>
+<br>However, if you want to do this as something general, where the slips aren&#39;t standard (e.g. here in France) or the fields are not in standard places - that is pretty much hopeless. Doublechecking the scans and then somehow integrating it into the internetbanking would be really hard and fragile thing to do. You are better off with setting up automatic debit authorizations and not bothering with slips in that case.<br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>J.<br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juergen.harms@unige.ch" target="_blank">juergen.harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+A positive remark about swiss banks! But errorproofness for swiss payment slips is also quite relative: (a) the long reference digit chains only have a very simple longitudinal 1-digit checksum that catches many, but not all errors that happen if you key them in manually and (b) all the OCR pograms that I have tested are far from perfect. And yes, for some time I tried to use one of these portable devices - they accumulate limited quality of scanning with limited quality of OCR conversion: between handling and checking I spent more time than I need for manual input and verification.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>OK, quite possible. I haven&#39;t tried those myself, I had only experience with the kiosks which work excellently. However, there the system does cross-check the scanned data against the various databases (e.g. valid account numbers) as well.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+My recent error scenario illustrates this: my incorrectly keyed in digit string happened to not trigger a checksum error, hence was accepted by the ebanking system of my bank, but was then rejected by the destination bank because the string did not make sense to them.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>Arg. That&#39;s pain, indeed.<br>�<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
+Generalisation: maybe the concepts I put to work allow to create similar tools / adjust the one I have made. I live part of my time in Austria - Austrian slips should not be too difficult to handle along such lines. And, maybe the mandatory introduction of IBAN input will create an incentive to banks to improve the readability of their slips.</blockquote>
+<div><br>That I doubt - if the slips aren&#39;t standardized, whether or not an IBAN is there makes little difference :( Moreover, unlike Switzerland where the banks actually do work together somewhat, it is still a wild west elsewhere.<br>
+<br>In Slovakia where I am from these slips are actually managed by the Post, originally as a mean to send money by post (you send a slip instead of cash) - that is what most people would know as a &quot;check&quot; there (classic personal checks were not used since the WWII or so). The Post has machines to automatically scan these. However, most companies send you a bill and either don&#39;t attach the slip (most banks don&#39;t accept them anyway, only the Post) or you must fill part of it by hand anyway. <br>
+<br>In Denmark you even have an option for the bills/slips to arrive directly to your account with your bank, then you can pay them with a click of a mouse if you don&#39;t have an automatic debit agreement. <br><br>So I guess that it would always have to be an ad-hoc, country-specific hack. <br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>Jan<br><br></div><br></div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Juergen Harms <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:juergen.harms@unige.ch" target="_blank">juergen.harms@unige.ch</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+A positive remark about swiss banks! But errorproofness for swiss payment slips is also quite relative: (a) the long reference digit chains only have a very simple longitudinal 1-digit checksum that catches many, but not all errors that happen if you key them in manually and (b) all the OCR pograms that I have tested are far from perfect. And yes, for some time I tried to use one of these portable devices - they accumulate limited quality of scanning with limited quality of OCR conversion: between handling and checking I spent more time than I need for manual input and verification.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>OK, quite possible. I haven&#39;t tried those myself, I had only experience with the kiosks which work excellently. However, there the system does cross-check the scanned data against the various databases (e.g. valid account numbers) as well.<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+My recent error scenario illustrates this: my incorrectly keyed in digit string happened to not trigger a checksum error, hence was accepted by the ebanking system of my bank, but was then rejected by the destination bank because the string did not make sense to them.<br>
+</blockquote><div><br>Arg. That&#39;s pain, indeed.<br>�<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
+Generalisation: maybe the concepts I put to work allow to create similar tools / adjust the one I have made. I live part of my time in Austria - Austrian slips should not be too difficult to handle along such lines. And, maybe the mandatory introduction of IBAN input will create an incentive to banks to improve the readability of their slips.</blockquote>
+<div><br>That I doubt - if the slips aren&#39;t standardized, whether or not an IBAN is there makes little difference :( Moreover, unlike Switzerland where the banks actually do work together somewhat, it is still a wild west elsewhere.<br>
+<br>In Slovakia where I am from these slips are actually managed by the Post, originally as a mean to send money by post (you send a slip instead of cash) - that is what most people would know as a &quot;check&quot; there (classic personal checks were not used since the WWII or so). The Post has machines to automatically scan these. However, most companies send you a bill and either don&#39;t attach the slip (most banks don&#39;t accept them anyway, only the Post) or you must fill part of it by hand anyway. <br>
+<br>In Denmark you even have an option for the bills/slips to arrive directly to your account with your bank, then you can pay them with a click of a mouse if you don&#39;t have an automatic debit agreement. <br><br>So I guess that it would always have to be an ad-hoc, country-specific hack. <br>
+<br>Regards,<br><br>Jan<br><br></div><br></div><br>
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+<p>Where we can find these wallpapers for mageia 2 ? <br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/04/10/and-the-winners-are/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/04/10/and-the-winners-are/</a> </p>
+<p>thanks in advance</p>
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+<p>Where we can find these wallpapers for mageia 2 ? <br>
+<a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/04/10/and-the-winners-are/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2012/04/10/and-the-winners-are/</a> </p>
+<p>thanks in advance</p>
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+<HTML><HEAD>
+<META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type>
+<META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19400">
+<STYLE></STYLE>
+</HEAD>
+<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
+<DIV>Not &lt;the&gt; Paul Simon, just the third after the singer and late 
+senator from Illinois.&nbsp;&nbsp; Simple Simon was heard many times as well 
+other variants on Simon.&nbsp; Actually I'm a retired chemist here in Silicon 
+Valley and worked on magnetic recording heads for many years.</DIV>
+<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
+<DIV>Thanks again for the attention!</DIV>
+<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
+<DIV>Paul</DIV>
+<BLOCKQUOTE 
+style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" 
+dir=ltr>
+  <DIV>"Max Quarterpleen" &lt;<A 
+  href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</A>&gt; 
+  wrote in message <A 
+  href="news:CABN=KyjkA5phx+-f7kTh_zZzk1ru2HDNVVaxGSoF55nuGesybQ@mail.gmail.com">news:CABN=KyjkA5phx+-f7kTh_zZzk1ru2HDNVVaxGSoF55nuGesybQ@mail.gmail.com</A>...</DIV>
+  <DIV dir=ltr><BR><BR>
+  <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Kenneth Marcy <SPAN 
+  dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" 
+  target=_blank>kmmos1@frontier.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> 
+  wrote:<BR>
+  <BLOCKQUOTE 
+  style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
+  class=gmail_quote>
+    <DIV class=HOEnZb>
+    <DIV class=h5>On 2/28/2013 3:07 PM, Paul Simon wrote:<BR>
+    <BLOCKQUOTE 
+    style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
+    class=gmail_quote>"Paul Simon" &lt;<A 
+      href="mailto:psimon@sonic.net" 
+      target=_blank>psimon@sonic.net</A>&gt; wrote 
+      in<BR>message news:kgon8u$3bn$1@ger.gmane.<U></U>org...<BR>
+      <BLOCKQUOTE 
+      style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
+      class=gmail_quote>Clicking icons on the desktop won't execute programs 
+        with rare execption.<BR>If I run the command from the command line 
+        (Konsole), e.g., dolphin, &nbsp;the<BR>error message is:<BR><BR>"symbol 
+        lookup error: /usr/lib/libkio.so.5: undefined symbol: " followed<BR>by 
+        various ascii chars. &nbsp;I think it has gotten down into my cron file 
+        too.<BR>Any ideas?<BR><BR>Paul Simon<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Never 
+      mind. &nbsp;Sorry. &nbsp;Just rebooted the computer and all is fine now. 
+      &nbsp;Thanks<BR>for listening.<BR><BR>Paul<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV></DIV>I 
+    just read this; glad to know all's well. &nbsp;That message sometimes 
+    appears where some KDE games are installed, without all the K Desktop 
+    Environment itself. Simply install KDE to avoid the message. &nbsp;Regular 
+    updates of installed system software help, too.<BR><BR>I've spent many 
+    pleasurable hours listening to Paul Simon.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
+  <DIV><BR>Me too! I grew up listening to Paul Simon.<BR>Paul, are you THE Paul 
+  Simon? Because I just had a geekgasm thinking about THE Paul Simon using 
+  Linux, and the distro that I contribute to too!<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
+  <BLOCKQUOTE 
+  style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
+  class=gmail_quote><BR><BR>Ken<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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+<META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19400">
+<STYLE></STYLE>
+</HEAD>
+<BODY bgColor=#ffffff>
+<DIV>Not &lt;the&gt; Paul Simon, just the third after the singer and late 
+senator from Illinois.&nbsp;&nbsp; Simple Simon was heard many times as well 
+other variants on Simon.&nbsp; Actually I'm a retired chemist here in Silicon 
+Valley and worked on magnetic recording heads for many years.</DIV>
+<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
+<DIV>Thanks again for the attention!</DIV>
+<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
+<DIV>Paul</DIV>
+<BLOCKQUOTE 
+style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" 
+dir=ltr>
+  <DIV>"Max Quarterpleen" &lt;<A 
+  href="mailto:bogusman222@gmail.com">bogusman222@gmail.com</A>&gt; 
+  wrote in message <A 
+  href="news:CABN=KyjkA5phx+-f7kTh_zZzk1ru2HDNVVaxGSoF55nuGesybQ@mail.gmail.com">news:CABN=KyjkA5phx+-f7kTh_zZzk1ru2HDNVVaxGSoF55nuGesybQ@mail.gmail.com</A>...</DIV>
+  <DIV dir=ltr><BR><BR>
+  <DIV class=gmail_quote>On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Kenneth Marcy <SPAN 
+  dir=ltr>&lt;<A href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" 
+  target=_blank>kmmos1@frontier.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> 
+  wrote:<BR>
+  <BLOCKQUOTE 
+  style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
+  class=gmail_quote>
+    <DIV class=HOEnZb>
+    <DIV class=h5>On 2/28/2013 3:07 PM, Paul Simon wrote:<BR>
+    <BLOCKQUOTE 
+    style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
+    class=gmail_quote>"Paul Simon" &lt;<A 
+      href="mailto:psimon@sonic.net" 
+      target=_blank>psimon@sonic.net</A>&gt; wrote 
+      in<BR>message news:kgon8u$3bn$1@ger.gmane.<U></U>org...<BR>
+      <BLOCKQUOTE 
+      style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
+      class=gmail_quote>Clicking icons on the desktop won't execute programs 
+        with rare execption.<BR>If I run the command from the command line 
+        (Konsole), e.g., dolphin, &nbsp;the<BR>error message is:<BR><BR>"symbol 
+        lookup error: /usr/lib/libkio.so.5: undefined symbol: " followed<BR>by 
+        various ascii chars. &nbsp;I think it has gotten down into my cron file 
+        too.<BR>Any ideas?<BR><BR>Paul Simon<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Never 
+      mind. &nbsp;Sorry. &nbsp;Just rebooted the computer and all is fine now. 
+      &nbsp;Thanks<BR>for listening.<BR><BR>Paul<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></DIV></DIV>I 
+    just read this; glad to know all's well. &nbsp;That message sometimes 
+    appears where some KDE games are installed, without all the K Desktop 
+    Environment itself. Simply install KDE to avoid the message. &nbsp;Regular 
+    updates of installed system software help, too.<BR><BR>I've spent many 
+    pleasurable hours listening to Paul Simon.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
+  <DIV><BR>Me too! I grew up listening to Paul Simon.<BR>Paul, are you THE Paul 
+  Simon? Because I just had a geekgasm thinking about THE Paul Simon using 
+  Linux, and the distro that I contribute to too!<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
+  <BLOCKQUOTE 
+  style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" 
+  class=gmail_quote><BR><BR>Ken<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Kenneth Marcy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" target="_blank">kmmos1@frontier.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 2/28/2013 3:07 PM, Paul Simon wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&quot;Paul Simon&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:psimon@sonic.net" target="_blank">psimon@sonic.net</a>&gt; wrote in<br>
+message news:kgon8u$3bn$1@ger.gmane.<u></u>org...<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Clicking icons on the desktop won&#39;t execute programs with rare execption.<br>
+If I run the command from the command line (Konsole), e.g., dolphin, �the<br>
+error message is:<br>
+<br>
+&quot;symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkio.so.5: undefined symbol: &quot; followed<br>
+by various ascii chars. �I think it has gotten down into my cron file too.<br>
+Any ideas?<br>
+<br>
+Paul Simon<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Never mind. �Sorry. �Just rebooted the computer and all is fine now. �Thanks<br>
+for listening.<br>
+<br>
+Paul<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+I just read this; glad to know all&#39;s well. �That message sometimes appears where some KDE games are installed, without all the K Desktop Environment itself. Simply install KDE to avoid the message. �Regular updates of installed system software help, too.<br>
+
+<br>
+I&#39;ve spent many pleasurable hours listening to Paul Simon.<br></blockquote><div><br>Me too! I grew up listening to Paul Simon.<br>Paul, are you THE Paul Simon? Because I just had a geekgasm thinking about THE Paul Simon using Linux, and the distro that I contribute to too!<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+Ken<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Kenneth Marcy <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:kmmos1@frontier.com" target="_blank">kmmos1@frontier.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On 2/28/2013 3:07 PM, Paul Simon wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+&quot;Paul Simon&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:psimon@sonic.net" target="_blank">psimon@sonic.net</a>&gt; wrote in<br>
+message news:kgon8u$3bn$1@ger.gmane.<u></u>org...<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Clicking icons on the desktop won&#39;t execute programs with rare execption.<br>
+If I run the command from the command line (Konsole), e.g., dolphin, �the<br>
+error message is:<br>
+<br>
+&quot;symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libkio.so.5: undefined symbol: &quot; followed<br>
+by various ascii chars. �I think it has gotten down into my cron file too.<br>
+Any ideas?<br>
+<br>
+Paul Simon<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+Never mind. �Sorry. �Just rebooted the computer and all is fine now. �Thanks<br>
+for listening.<br>
+<br>
+Paul<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div></div>
+I just read this; glad to know all&#39;s well. �That message sometimes appears where some KDE games are installed, without all the K Desktop Environment itself. Simply install KDE to avoid the message. �Regular updates of installed system software help, too.<br>
+
+<br>
+I&#39;ve spent many pleasurable hours listening to Paul Simon.<br></blockquote><div><br>Me too! I grew up listening to Paul Simon.<br>Paul, are you THE Paul Simon? Because I just had a geekgasm thinking about THE Paul Simon using Linux, and the distro that I contribute to too!<br>
+�</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+<br>
+<br>
+Ken<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/2 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@gmail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m trying to sync my kontact addressbook with googlemail&#39;s contacts.<br>
+There is a howto on kde userbase:<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org/Working_with_Google_Contacts" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org/Working_with_Google_Contacts</a><br>
+<br>
+It beginns with the instruction to install akonadi-googledata.<br>
+But we don&#39;t have such a package (at least in Cauldron).<br>
+Is that software included in some other package or don&#39;t we provide it?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca<br>
+<br>
+Mageia contributor<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Now the package is the akonadi-google. The akonadi-googledata is deprecated.<div><br></div><div>I use it too, to synchronize my contacts<br clear="all"></div><br>--<br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/2 Oliver Burger <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:oliver.bgr@gmail.com" target="_blank">oliver.bgr@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Hi there,<br>
+<br>
+I&#39;m trying to sync my kontact addressbook with googlemail&#39;s contacts.<br>
+There is a howto on kde userbase:<br>
+<a href="http://userbase.kde.org/Working_with_Google_Contacts" target="_blank">http://userbase.kde.org/Working_with_Google_Contacts</a><br>
+<br>
+It beginns with the instruction to install akonadi-googledata.<br>
+But we don&#39;t have such a package (at least in Cauldron).<br>
+Is that software included in some other package or don&#39;t we provide it?<br>
+<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+Oliver<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Oliver Burger aka obgr_seneca<br>
+<br>
+Mageia contributor<br>
+<br>
+<a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br>Now the package is the akonadi-google. The akonadi-googledata is deprecated.<div><br></div><div>I use it too, to synchronize my contacts<br clear="all"></div><br>--<br><div>Dimitrios Glentadakis</div>
+
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+<p dir="ltr">What about armv7l images then? That&#39;s for armv5l.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Den 3 mar 2013 01:58 skrev &quot;John Bowden&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:led43john@googlemail.com">led43john@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Saturday 02 Mar 2013 15:03:10 shelandy wrote:<br>
+&gt; I got a board (APC Rock)from VIA, which has minimal support of Android 4<br>
+&gt; and a little bit faster than Raspbeery Pi.<br>
+&gt; Mike Thompson has ported Debian to this board<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.raspbian.org/ApricotImages" target="_blank">http://www.raspbian.org/ApricotImages</a><br>
+&gt; VIA released the minimal linux information on<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8750" target="_blank">https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8750</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8950" target="_blank">https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8950</a> (the kernel for new models like Rock<br>
+&gt; or Paper)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;d like to used Mageia to this little board.  I have heard of that some<br>
+&gt; one in Mageia community would announce their progress of porting Maegia<br>
+&gt; to arm-based system in FOSDEM 2013, but so far have never seen the<br>
+&gt; details.  I was wondering if some one know the details?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If someone can show me how to do the cross-compilation...., I might be<br>
+&gt; able to help the process of port Mageia to the ARM-based box.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Any suggestion of how should I proceed the porting?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Shelandy<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 於 西元2013年03月01日 08:30, Kristoffer Grundström 提到:<br>
+&gt; &gt; 2013-02-28 01:34, Olivier Blin skrev:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Kristoffer Grundström &lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Then, on a workstation (any architecture), insert the µSD card, and<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; as root, type:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;   debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=minbase --foreign mageia<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; /media/PHONE\ CARD/mageia <a href="http://http.mageia.org/mageia" target="_blank">http://http.mageia.org/mageia</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; That won&#39;t work to install mageia.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Did you really test your own guide?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Nope.<br>
+&gt; &gt; I know to little to do this.<br>
+&gt; &gt; That&#39;s why I want testers &amp; people who knows what&#39;s wrong with the<br>
+&gt; &gt; guide when it comes to using commands.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; /Kristoffer<br>
+<br>
+You might also want to do a search for arm on our wiki, it will show you how<br>
+far we have got with this brance, not far enough! but thats because we need<br>
+more volunteers.<br>
+John (Led43_???)<br>
+--<br>
+Registered Linux user number 414240<br>
+<br>
+Guy Faulks the only person to enter the Parliament with honest intentions and<br>
+he was going to blow them up !<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<p dir="ltr">What about armv7l images then? That&#39;s for armv5l.</p>
+<div class="gmail_quote">Den 3 mar 2013 01:58 skrev &quot;John Bowden&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:led43john@googlemail.com">led43john@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+On Saturday 02 Mar 2013 15:03:10 shelandy wrote:<br>
+&gt; I got a board (APC Rock)from VIA, which has minimal support of Android 4<br>
+&gt; and a little bit faster than Raspbeery Pi.<br>
+&gt; Mike Thompson has ported Debian to this board<br>
+&gt; <a href="http://www.raspbian.org/ApricotImages" target="_blank">http://www.raspbian.org/ApricotImages</a><br>
+&gt; VIA released the minimal linux information on<br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8750" target="_blank">https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8750</a><br>
+&gt; <a href="https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8950" target="_blank">https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8950</a> (the kernel for new models like Rock<br>
+&gt; or Paper)<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; I&#39;d like to used Mageia to this little board.  I have heard of that some<br>
+&gt; one in Mageia community would announce their progress of porting Maegia<br>
+&gt; to arm-based system in FOSDEM 2013, but so far have never seen the<br>
+&gt; details.  I was wondering if some one know the details?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; If someone can show me how to do the cross-compilation...., I might be<br>
+&gt; able to help the process of port Mageia to the ARM-based box.<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Any suggestion of how should I proceed the porting?<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; Shelandy<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; 於 西元2013年03月01日 08:30, Kristoffer Grundström 提到:<br>
+&gt; &gt; 2013-02-28 01:34, Olivier Blin skrev:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Kristoffer Grundström &lt;<a href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt; writes:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Then, on a workstation (any architecture), insert the µSD card, and<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; as root, type:<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;   debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=minbase --foreign mageia<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; /media/PHONE\ CARD/mageia <a href="http://http.mageia.org/mageia" target="_blank">http://http.mageia.org/mageia</a><br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; That won&#39;t work to install mageia.<br>
+&gt; &gt;&gt; Did you really test your own guide?<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; Nope.<br>
+&gt; &gt; I know to little to do this.<br>
+&gt; &gt; That&#39;s why I want testers &amp; people who knows what&#39;s wrong with the<br>
+&gt; &gt; guide when it comes to using commands.<br>
+&gt; &gt;<br>
+&gt; &gt; /Kristoffer<br>
+<br>
+You might also want to do a search for arm on our wiki, it will show you how<br>
+far we have got with this brance, not far enough! but thats because we need<br>
+more volunteers.<br>
+John (Led43_???)<br>
+--<br>
+Registered Linux user number 414240<br>
+<br>
+Guy Faulks the only person to enter the Parliament with honest intentions and<br>
+he was going to blow them up !<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">於 西元2013年03月03日 06:11, Kristoffer
+      Grundström 提到:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAF8zTzP7Str54YPtJUUfuVi8Lqz+ZO2FK23Y5N7pN8LeZc_C3Q@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p dir="ltr">What about armv7l images then? That's for armv5l.</p>
+    </blockquote>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAF8zTzP7Str54YPtJUUfuVi8Lqz+ZO2FK23Y5N7pN8LeZc_C3Q@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">Den 3 mar 2013 01:58 skrev "John Bowden"
+        &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="mailto:led43john@googlemail.com">led43john@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br
+          type="attribution">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          On Saturday 02 Mar 2013 15:03:10 shelandy wrote:<br>
+          &gt; I got a board (APC Rock)from VIA, which has minimal
+          support of Android 4<br>
+          &gt; and a little bit faster than Raspbeery Pi.<br>
+          &gt; Mike Thompson has ported Debian to this board<br>
+          &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://www.raspbian.org/ApricotImages" target="_blank">http://www.raspbian.org/ApricotImages</a><br>
+          &gt; VIA released the minimal linux information on<br>
+          &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8750" target="_blank">https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8750</a><br>
+          &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8950" target="_blank">https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8950</a>
+          (the kernel for new models like Rock<br>
+          &gt; or Paper)<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; I'd like to used Mageia to this little board.  I have
+          heard of that some<br>
+          &gt; one in Mageia community would announce their progress of
+          porting Maegia<br>
+          &gt; to arm-based system in FOSDEM 2013, but so far have never
+          seen the<br>
+          &gt; details.  I was wondering if some one know the details?<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; If someone can show me how to do the
+          cross-compilation...., I might be<br>
+          &gt; able to help the process of port Mageia to the ARM-based
+          box.<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; Any suggestion of how should I proceed the porting?<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; Shelandy<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; 於 西元2013年03月01日 08:30, Kristoffer Grundström 提到:<br>
+          &gt; &gt; 2013-02-28 01:34, Olivier Blin skrev:<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; Kristoffer Grundström &lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;
+          writes:<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Then, on a workstation (any architecture),
+          insert the µSD card, and<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; as root, type:<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;   debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=minbase
+          --foreign mageia<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; /media/PHONE\ CARD/mageia <a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://http.mageia.org/mageia"
+            target="_blank">http://http.mageia.org/mageia</a><br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; That won't work to install mageia.<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; Did you really test your own guide?<br>
+          &gt; &gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt; Nope.<br>
+          &gt; &gt; I know to little to do this.<br>
+          &gt; &gt; That's why I want testers &amp; people who knows
+          what's wrong with the<br>
+          &gt; &gt; guide when it comes to using commands.<br>
+          &gt; &gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt; /Kristoffer<br>
+          <br>
+          You might also want to do a search for arm on our wiki, it
+          will show you how<br>
+          far we have got with this brance, not far enough! but thats
+          because we need<br>
+          more volunteers.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Thanks.  I googled +arm +mageia + wiki but found nothing<br>
+    Only after you told me to search wiki, I can get this page by
+    searching "arm" under the wiki.mageia.org <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/MageiaOnARM">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/MageiaOnARM</a><br>
+    This is the only page I can find so far.  APC info has been added
+    there last week.<br>
+    I wish google will cache this conversation so people can find it
+    easilier on google.<br>
+    <br>
+    I also like to have armv7 images if someone can make one or teach us
+    how to make one.<br>
+    I do not know the structure here to work together, but I have
+    created a github as well as bitbucket accounts to work with people
+    of the same interest.<br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAF8zTzP7Str54YPtJUUfuVi8Lqz+ZO2FK23Y5N7pN8LeZc_C3Q@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          John (Led43_???)<br>
+          --<br>
+          Registered Linux user number 414240<br>
+          <br>
+          Guy Faulks the only person to enter the Parliament with honest
+          intentions and<br>
+          he was going to blow them up !<br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">於 西元2013年03月03日 06:11, Kristoffer
+      Grundström 提到:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAF8zTzP7Str54YPtJUUfuVi8Lqz+ZO2FK23Y5N7pN8LeZc_C3Q@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <p dir="ltr">What about armv7l images then? That's for armv5l.</p>
+    </blockquote>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAF8zTzP7Str54YPtJUUfuVi8Lqz+ZO2FK23Y5N7pN8LeZc_C3Q@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">Den 3 mar 2013 01:58 skrev "John Bowden"
+        &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
+          href="mailto:led43john@googlemail.com">led43john@googlemail.com</a>&gt;:<br
+          type="attribution">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          On Saturday 02 Mar 2013 15:03:10 shelandy wrote:<br>
+          &gt; I got a board (APC Rock)from VIA, which has minimal
+          support of Android 4<br>
+          &gt; and a little bit faster than Raspbeery Pi.<br>
+          &gt; Mike Thompson has ported Debian to this board<br>
+          &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="http://www.raspbian.org/ApricotImages" target="_blank">http://www.raspbian.org/ApricotImages</a><br>
+          &gt; VIA released the minimal linux information on<br>
+          &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8750" target="_blank">https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8750</a><br>
+          &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8950" target="_blank">https://github.com/apc-io/apc-8950</a>
+          (the kernel for new models like Rock<br>
+          &gt; or Paper)<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; I'd like to used Mageia to this little board.  I have
+          heard of that some<br>
+          &gt; one in Mageia community would announce their progress of
+          porting Maegia<br>
+          &gt; to arm-based system in FOSDEM 2013, but so far have never
+          seen the<br>
+          &gt; details.  I was wondering if some one know the details?<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; If someone can show me how to do the
+          cross-compilation...., I might be<br>
+          &gt; able to help the process of port Mageia to the ARM-based
+          box.<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; Any suggestion of how should I proceed the porting?<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; Shelandy<br>
+          &gt;<br>
+          &gt; 於 西元2013年03月01日 08:30, Kristoffer Grundström 提到:<br>
+          &gt; &gt; 2013-02-28 01:34, Olivier Blin skrev:<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; Kristoffer Grundström &lt;<a
+            moz-do-not-send="true"
+            href="mailto:kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com">kristoffer.grundstrom1983@gmail.com</a>&gt;
+          writes:<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Then, on a workstation (any architecture),
+          insert the µSD card, and<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; as root, type:<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;   debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=minbase
+          --foreign mageia<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; /media/PHONE\ CARD/mageia <a
+            moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://http.mageia.org/mageia"
+            target="_blank">http://http.mageia.org/mageia</a><br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; Hi,<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; That won't work to install mageia.<br>
+          &gt; &gt;&gt; Did you really test your own guide?<br>
+          &gt; &gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt; Nope.<br>
+          &gt; &gt; I know to little to do this.<br>
+          &gt; &gt; That's why I want testers &amp; people who knows
+          what's wrong with the<br>
+          &gt; &gt; guide when it comes to using commands.<br>
+          &gt; &gt;<br>
+          &gt; &gt; /Kristoffer<br>
+          <br>
+          You might also want to do a search for arm on our wiki, it
+          will show you how<br>
+          far we have got with this brance, not far enough! but thats
+          because we need<br>
+          more volunteers.<br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Thanks.  I googled +arm +mageia + wiki but found nothing<br>
+    Only after you told me to search wiki, I can get this page by
+    searching "arm" under the wiki.mageia.org <br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/MageiaOnARM">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/MageiaOnARM</a><br>
+    This is the only page I can find so far.  APC info has been added
+    there last week.<br>
+    I wish google will cache this conversation so people can find it
+    easilier on google.<br>
+    <br>
+    I also like to have armv7 images if someone can make one or teach us
+    how to make one.<br>
+    I do not know the structure here to work together, but I have
+    created a github as well as bitbucket accounts to work with people
+    of the same interest.<br>
+    <br>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAF8zTzP7Str54YPtJUUfuVi8Lqz+ZO2FK23Y5N7pN8LeZc_C3Q@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div class="gmail_quote">
+        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
+          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+          John (Led43_???)<br>
+          --<br>
+          Registered Linux user number 414240<br>
+          <br>
+          Guy Faulks the only person to enter the Parliament with honest
+          intentions and<br>
+          he was going to blow them up !<br>
+          <br>
+        </blockquote>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/03/13 21:05, &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577;
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduLKEmJJ3RVpGcrD41Q4hUsDoOXK0FAg-fFnw9kk6v4ykg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br>
+          <br>
+          as we see this year<br>
+          <br>
+          portable devices market is rising up now<br>
+          <br>
+          with open sources projects like android and ubuntu<br>
+          <br>
+          not to mention the other two properties OS<br>
+          <br>
+          anyway<br>
+          <br>
+          is there any plan in mageia project developers mind to share
+          this Tart with those os<span id="result_box"
+            class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""></span></span></div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    No not really at the moment, but there's a Mageia ARM version, which
+    for the Mageia 3 release should have a proper official development
+    version it seems.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/03/13 21:05, &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577;
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduLKEmJJ3RVpGcrD41Q4hUsDoOXK0FAg-fFnw9kk6v4ykg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br>
+          <br>
+          as we see this year<br>
+          <br>
+          portable devices market is rising up now<br>
+          <br>
+          with open sources projects like android and ubuntu<br>
+          <br>
+          not to mention the other two properties OS<br>
+          <br>
+          anyway<br>
+          <br>
+          is there any plan in mageia project developers mind to share
+          this Tart with those os<span id="result_box"
+            class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""></span></span></div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    No not really at the moment, but there's a Mageia ARM version, which
+    for the Mageia 3 release should have a proper official development
+    version it seems.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">2013-03-04 22:05, &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577;
+      skrev:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduLKEmJJ3RVpGcrD41Q4hUsDoOXK0FAg-fFnw9kk6v4ykg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br>
+          <br>
+          as we see this year<br>
+          <br>
+          portable devices market is rising up now<br>
+          <br>
+          with open sources projects like android and ubuntu<br>
+          <br>
+          not to mention the other two properties OS<br>
+          <br>
+          anyway<br>
+          <br>
+          is there any plan in mageia project developers mind to share
+          this Tart with those os<span id="result_box"
+            class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""></span></span></div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Look at the Mageia-wiki. Search for ARM.<br>
+    <br>
+    I've written a try guide myself that have some flaws. You're welcome
+    to read it &amp; correct it any fawlty command.<br>
+    <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylXOvzRGqyUVng0QWJhRWF5WXc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylXOvzRGqyUVng0QWJhRWF5WXc/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">2013-03-04 22:05, &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577;
+      skrev:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduLKEmJJ3RVpGcrD41Q4hUsDoOXK0FAg-fFnw9kk6v4ykg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br>
+          <br>
+          as we see this year<br>
+          <br>
+          portable devices market is rising up now<br>
+          <br>
+          with open sources projects like android and ubuntu<br>
+          <br>
+          not to mention the other two properties OS<br>
+          <br>
+          anyway<br>
+          <br>
+          is there any plan in mageia project developers mind to share
+          this Tart with those os<span id="result_box"
+            class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""></span></span></div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    Look at the Mageia-wiki. Search for ARM.<br>
+    <br>
+    I've written a try guide myself that have some flaws. You're welcome
+    to read it &amp; correct it any fawlty command.<br>
+    <br>
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylXOvzRGqyUVng0QWJhRWF5WXc/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BylXOvzRGqyUVng0QWJhRWF5WXc/edit?usp=sharing</a><br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/03/13 21:38, &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577;
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMdu+Qdh4gs1ZjpwnYRciiDbKVNWteQ599dfhn=DVGR5Q1cg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">that good<br>
+          <br>
+          i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even the desktop
+          and want to&nbsp; share it with them<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    What do you mean exactly that you already have a new ui?<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
+  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 04/03/13 21:38, &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577;
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMdu+Qdh4gs1ZjpwnYRciiDbKVNWteQ599dfhn=DVGR5Q1cg@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">that good<br>
+          <br>
+          i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even the desktop
+          and want to&nbsp; share it with them<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    What do you mean exactly that you already have a new ui?<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">that good<br><br>i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even the desktop and want to� share it with them<br></div></div>
diff --git a/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20130305/2f2c01b4/attachment.html b/zarb-ml/mageia-discuss/attachments/20130305/2f2c01b4/attachment.html
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">that good<br><br>i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even the desktop and want to� share it with them<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br><br>as we see this year<br><br>portable devices market is rising up now<br><br>with open sources projects like android and ubuntu<br><br>not to mention the other two properties OS<br>
+<br>anyway<br><br>is there any plan in mageia project developers mind to share this Tart with those os<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""></span></span></div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello everyone<br><br>as we see this year<br><br>portable devices market is rising up now<br><br>with open sources projects like android and ubuntu<br><br>not to mention the other two properties OS<br>
+<br>anyway<br><br>is there any plan in mageia project developers mind to share this Tart with those os<span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class=""></span></span></div></div>
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+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/03/13 21:04, ������� ��������
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduJPwRmvBwK03Ap_2Xow+1qJ49dhb9uexPuE1fUwTYkf7g@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl"><br>
+        <div style="text-align:left"><br>
+        </div>
+        <div style="text-align:left" class="gmail_quote">
+          <div dir="ltr">2013/3/5 Sebastian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+                moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com" target="_blank">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span></div>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px
+            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
+            rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid
+            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
+            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+              <div class="im">
+                <div>On 04/03/13 21:38, ������� �������� wrote:<br>
+                </div>
+                <blockquote type="cite">
+                  <div dir="rtl">
+                    <div>that good<br>
+                      <br>
+                      i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even
+                      the desktop and want to� share it with them<br>
+                    </div>
+                  </div>
+                </blockquote>
+              </div>
+              What do you mean exactly that you already have a new ui?<br>
+            </div>
+          </blockquote>
+        </div>
+        <div style="text-align:left"><br>
+========================================================================<br>
+          <br>
+          not exactly fully UI<br>
+          <br>
+          just like what they say a <b>blueprint </b>for that UI looks<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Oh ok.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+  <head>
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+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
+  </head>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 05/03/13 21:04, ������� ��������
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduJPwRmvBwK03Ap_2Xow+1qJ49dhb9uexPuE1fUwTYkf7g@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl"><br>
+        <div style="text-align:left"><br>
+        </div>
+        <div style="text-align:left" class="gmail_quote">
+          <div dir="ltr">2013/3/5 Sebastian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
+                moz-do-not-send="true"
+                href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com" target="_blank">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span></div>
+          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px
+            0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
+            rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid
+            rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
+            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
+              <div class="im">
+                <div>On 04/03/13 21:38, ������� �������� wrote:<br>
+                </div>
+                <blockquote type="cite">
+                  <div dir="rtl">
+                    <div>that good<br>
+                      <br>
+                      i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even
+                      the desktop and want to� share it with them<br>
+                    </div>
+                  </div>
+                </blockquote>
+              </div>
+              What do you mean exactly that you already have a new ui?<br>
+            </div>
+          </blockquote>
+        </div>
+        <div style="text-align:left"><br>
+========================================================================<br>
+          <br>
+          not exactly fully UI<br>
+          <br>
+          just like what they say a <b>blueprint </b>for that UI looks<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    Oh ok.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div dir="rtl"><br><div style="text-align:left"><br></div><div style="text-align:left" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">2013/3/5 Sebastian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com" target="_blank">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div class="im">
+    <div>On 04/03/13 21:38, ������� ��������
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div>that good<br>
+          <br>
+          i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even the desktop
+          and want to� share it with them<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote></div>
+    What do you mean exactly that you already have a new ui?<br>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></div><div style="text-align:left"><br>========================================================================<br><br>not exactly fully UI<br><br>just like what they say a <b>blueprint </b>for that UI looks<br>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><br><div style="text-align:left"><br></div><div style="text-align:left" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">2013/3/5 Sebastian <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com" target="_blank">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</a>&gt;</span></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
+  
+    
+  
+  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><div class="im">
+    <div>On 04/03/13 21:38, ������� ��������
+      wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div>that good<br>
+          <br>
+          i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even the desktop
+          and want to� share it with them<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote></div>
+    What do you mean exactly that you already have a new ui?<br>
+  </div>
+
+</blockquote></div><div style="text-align:left"><br>========================================================================<br><br>not exactly fully UI<br><br>just like what they say a <b>blueprint </b>for that UI looks<br>
+</div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><br><div style="text-align:left"><br></div><div style="text-align:left" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">2013/3/6 ������� �������� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com" target="_blank">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div>will take a good look at it<br><br>i hope all of you like it<br>
+<br>i release it under GPL<br><br>===================<br></div></blockquote><div><br>it seems the server dosent support attaching big files<br><br>anyway you can see it here<br><br><a href="http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6185/exam.gif">http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6185/exam.gif</a><br>
+�<br></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><br><div style="text-align:left"><br></div><div style="text-align:left" class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">2013/3/6 ������� �������� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com" target="_blank">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span></div>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);border-right:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex"><div>will take a good look at it<br><br>i hope all of you like it<br>
+<br>i release it under GPL<br><br>===================<br></div></blockquote><div><br>it seems the server dosent support attaching big files<br><br>anyway you can see it here<br><br><a href="http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6185/exam.gif">http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6185/exam.gif</a><br>
+�<br></div></div></div>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Century Schoolbook L'; font-size:12pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 06 Mar 2013 00:04:01 المسالم المسالمة wrote:<br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2013/3/5 Sebastian &lt;<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</span></a>&gt;</p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:46px; margin-right:46px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On 04/03/13 21:38, المسالم المسالمة wrote:<br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:86px; margin-right:86px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">that good<br /><br />i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even the desktop and want to  share it with them<br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What do you mean exactly that you already have a new ui?<br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />========================================================================<br /><br />not exactly fully UI<br /><br />just like what they say a <span style=" font-weight:600;">blueprint </span>for that UI looks<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br />Great. How far have you got? I have a samsung note 2 and a htc smart phone which I have been thinking of putting Mageia on, I also have 2 rasberries pi,s on my shopping list.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">John (Led43_???)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Registered Linux user number 414240</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Guy Faulks the only person to enter the Parliament with honest intentions and he was going to blow them up !</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd">
+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Century Schoolbook L'; font-size:12pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On Wednesday 06 Mar 2013 00:04:01 المسالم المسالمة wrote:<br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">2013/3/5 Sebastian &lt;<a href="mailto:sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0057ae;">sebsebseb_mageia@gmx.com</span></a>&gt;</p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:46px; margin-right:46px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">On 04/03/13 21:38, المسالم المسالمة wrote:<br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:12px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:86px; margin-right:86px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">that good<br /><br />i already have new ui for mageia tablet or even the desktop and want to  share it with them<br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">What do you mean exactly that you already have a new ui?<br /></p>
+<p dir='rtl' style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:40px; margin-right:40px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br />========================================================================<br /><br />not exactly fully UI<br /><br />just like what they say a <span style=" font-weight:600;">blueprint </span>for that UI looks<br /></p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><br /><br />Great. How far have you got? I have a samsung note 2 and a htc smart phone which I have been thinking of putting Mageia on, I also have 2 rasberries pi,s on my shopping list.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">John (Led43_???)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">-- </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Registered Linux user number 414240</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Guy Faulks the only person to enter the Parliament with honest intentions and he was going to blow them up !</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/7 Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com" target="_blank">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I know that this has been an issue for eons ... but ... is there a way to get Dolphin to show file names in proper numerical sequence?<br>
+<br>
+I would like to have the files ordered sequentially like this ...<br>
+<br>
+1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,<u></u>14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22 ...<br>
+<br>
+Rather than they way it does now ...<br>
+<br>
+10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,<u></u>1,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,<u></u>29,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 ...<br>
+<br>
+Is there a reason why numbered files are not ordered the way people work?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Marc<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div style>Generally it should be reached by Dolphin settings -&gt; General -&gt; option for natural sorting, though it may not to result exactly so normal people assume :-)�</div><div style>
+<br></div><div style>Marek Laane,</div><div style>Estonian translator</div><div style><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Marc Par�<br>
+Marc@MarcPare.com<br>
+<a href="http://www.parEntreprise.com" target="_blank">http://www.parEntreprise.com</a><br>
+parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF)<br>
+parEntreprise.com Supports <a href="http://www.LibreOffice.org" target="_blank">http://www.LibreOffice.org</a><br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/3/7 Marc Par� <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:marc@marcpare.com" target="_blank">marc@marcpare.com</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+I know that this has been an issue for eons ... but ... is there a way to get Dolphin to show file names in proper numerical sequence?<br>
+<br>
+I would like to have the files ordered sequentially like this ...<br>
+<br>
+1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,<u></u>14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22 ...<br>
+<br>
+Rather than they way it does now ...<br>
+<br>
+10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,<u></u>1,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,<u></u>29,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 ...<br>
+<br>
+Is there a reason why numbered files are not ordered the way people work?<br>
+<br>
+Cheers,<br>
+<br>
+Marc<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
+<br>
+<br></font></span></blockquote><div style>Generally it should be reached by Dolphin settings -&gt; General -&gt; option for natural sorting, though it may not to result exactly so normal people assume :-)�</div><div style>
+<br></div><div style>Marek Laane,</div><div style>Estonian translator</div><div style><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
+-- <br>
+Marc Par�<br>
+Marc@MarcPare.com<br>
+<a href="http://www.parEntreprise.com" target="_blank">http://www.parEntreprise.com</a><br>
+parEntreprise.com Supports OpenDocument Formats (ODF)<br>
+parEntreprise.com Supports <a href="http://www.LibreOffice.org" target="_blank">http://www.LibreOffice.org</a><br>
+<br>
+</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div></div>
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+    Le 08/03/2013 17:57, Claire Robinson a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:513A186B.6000401@gmail.com" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi
+
+If you have any of the older nvidia cards listed here:
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7902#c31">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7902#c31</a>
+
+Could you please help by testing an update candidate for ldetect-lst and
+the two older drivers. Update ldetect-lst can be found in Core Updates
+Testing and the nvidia drivers are both in Nonfree Updates Testing.
+
+You will need to be able to update from the testing medias
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way</a>
+
+and then enable them only to update the packages listed on the bug
+report, it will probably ask you to update rpmdrake first which is safe
+to do (we've been using it in QA for a few months). When you've updated
+only the packages listed on the bug please disable the two Testing
+medias again.
+
+Please leave any comments on the bug report, include information on the
+graphics card installed and whether you tested with an x86_64 or i586
+installation.
+
+Many thanks
+Claire (MrsB)
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Hi Claire,<br>
+    Is it something new since what I tested ?<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3820">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3820</a><br>
+    ===========<br>
+    <span class="bz_comment_user"> <span class="vcard"><a class="email"
+          href="mailto:yves.brungard_mageia@gadz.org" title="papoteur
+          &lt;yves.brungard_mageia@gadz.org&gt;"> <span class="fn">papoteur</span></a>
+      </span> </span> <span class="bz_comment_user_images"> </span> <span
+      class="bz_comment_time"> 2012-11-17 13:50:01 CET </span>
+    <pre class="bz_comment_text" id="comment_text_9">Ok, I just tested the driver packaged in Mageia 2 testing.
+The test is not positive.
+- the resolution is not the optimal resolution, 1024 large instead of 1440.
+- some zones in the screen are mixed. I join a screenshot.
+
+x11-driver-video-nvidia96xx-96.43.23-2.mga2.nonfree
+nvidia96xx-doc-html-96.43.23-2.mga2.nonfree
+dkms-nvidia96xx-96.43.23-2.mga2.nonfree
+============
+The problem seems to be nvidia stuff related, because I had tested from the source and had the same problem.
+Geforce 4 Ti 4200
+
+Papoteur
+</pre>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    Le 08/03/2013 17:57, Claire Robinson a &eacute;crit&nbsp;:
+    <blockquote cite="mid:513A186B.6000401@gmail.com" type="cite">
+      <pre wrap="">Hi
+
+If you have any of the older nvidia cards listed here:
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7902#c31">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7902#c31</a>
+
+Could you please help by testing an update candidate for ldetect-lst and
+the two older drivers. Update ldetect-lst can be found in Core Updates
+Testing and the nvidia drivers are both in Nonfree Updates Testing.
+
+You will need to be able to update from the testing medias
+<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Enabling_the_Testing_media#Enable_them_the_easy_way</a>
+
+and then enable them only to update the packages listed on the bug
+report, it will probably ask you to update rpmdrake first which is safe
+to do (we've been using it in QA for a few months). When you've updated
+only the packages listed on the bug please disable the two Testing
+medias again.
+
+Please leave any comments on the bug report, include information on the
+graphics card installed and whether you tested with an x86_64 or i586
+installation.
+
+Many thanks
+Claire (MrsB)
+
+</pre>
+    </blockquote>
+    Hi Claire,<br>
+    Is it something new since what I tested ?<br>
+    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3820">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3820</a><br>
+    ===========<br>
+    <span class="bz_comment_user"> <span class="vcard"><a class="email"
+          href="mailto:yves.brungard_mageia@gadz.org" title="papoteur
+          &lt;yves.brungard_mageia@gadz.org&gt;"> <span class="fn">papoteur</span></a>
+      </span> </span> <span class="bz_comment_user_images"> </span> <span
+      class="bz_comment_time"> 2012-11-17 13:50:01 CET </span>
+    <pre class="bz_comment_text" id="comment_text_9">Ok, I just tested the driver packaged in Mageia 2 testing.
+The test is not positive.
+- the resolution is not the optimal resolution, 1024 large instead of 1440.
+- some zones in the screen are mixed. I join a screenshot.
+
+x11-driver-video-nvidia96xx-96.43.23-2.mga2.nonfree
+nvidia96xx-doc-html-96.43.23-2.mga2.nonfree
+dkms-nvidia96xx-96.43.23-2.mga2.nonfree
+============
+The problem seems to be nvidia stuff related, because I had tested from the source and had the same problem.
+Geforce 4 Ti 4200
+
+Papoteur
+</pre>
+    <br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+On Mar 13, 2013 2:42 PM, &quot;المسالم المسالمة&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; hello again<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i have big trouble now with the 4050 inspiron dell laptop<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; all the features in it not fully functional <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but if you can solve it i will be happy to see that<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; anyway <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my big problem here <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; that .... mageia didnt know what kind of the wireless that laptop is using<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; while harddrake already know there is a wireless adaptor <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; named broadcom ..... 14e4:4365<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but ..... i saw what kind of driver harddrake using for that adaptor marked as unknown<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; so please .... solve this problem in mageia 3<br>
+Have you tried Mageia 2 or Mageia 3?</p>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On Mar 13, 2013 2:42 PM, &quot;المسالم المسالمة&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; hello again<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; i have big trouble now with the 4050 inspiron dell laptop<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; all the features in it not fully functional <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but if you can solve it i will be happy to see that<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; anyway <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; my big problem here <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; that .... mageia didnt know what kind of the wireless that laptop is using<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; while harddrake already know there is a wireless adaptor <br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; named broadcom ..... 14e4:4365<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; but ..... i saw what kind of driver harddrake using for that adaptor marked as unknown<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; so please .... solve this problem in mageia 3<br>
+Have you tried Mageia 2 or Mageia 3?</p>
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+<div dir="rtl">mageia 3 beta 3<br></div>
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+<div dir="rtl">mageia 3 beta 3<br></div>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/13/2013 07:42 AM, &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;
+      &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577; wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduKjRoiq1SZoHqk6Do9sGD8VT=YW+M1g8yc9e9uFCerj-g@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">hello again<br>
+          <br>
+          i have big trouble now with the 4050 inspiron dell laptop<br>
+          <br>
+          all the features in it not fully functional <br>
+          <br>
+          but if you can solve it i will be happy to see that<br>
+          <br>
+          anyway <br>
+          <br>
+          my big problem here <br>
+          <br>
+          that .... mageia didnt know what kind of the wireless that
+          laptop is using<br>
+          <br>
+          while harddrake already know there is a wireless adaptor <br>
+          <br>
+          named broadcom ..... 14e4:4365<br>
+          <br>
+          but ..... i saw what kind of driver harddrake using for that
+          adaptor marked as unknown<br>
+          <br>
+          so please .... solve this problem in mageia 3<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    This looks like the same chip series that I mentioned in my post a
+    few days ago. As far as I know the firmware packages for that chip
+    have never been installed by default. You can work around this by
+    going to the Mageia Control Center software installation and search
+    for 'b43'. Install the 3 packages that are appropriate for your
+    hardware. Do a hard reboot. Go back to MCC and you should be able to
+    install the firmware and drivers you need.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 03/13/2013 07:42 AM, &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;
+      &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577; wrote:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduKjRoiq1SZoHqk6Do9sGD8VT=YW+M1g8yc9e9uFCerj-g@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">hello again<br>
+          <br>
+          i have big trouble now with the 4050 inspiron dell laptop<br>
+          <br>
+          all the features in it not fully functional <br>
+          <br>
+          but if you can solve it i will be happy to see that<br>
+          <br>
+          anyway <br>
+          <br>
+          my big problem here <br>
+          <br>
+          that .... mageia didnt know what kind of the wireless that
+          laptop is using<br>
+          <br>
+          while harddrake already know there is a wireless adaptor <br>
+          <br>
+          named broadcom ..... 14e4:4365<br>
+          <br>
+          but ..... i saw what kind of driver harddrake using for that
+          adaptor marked as unknown<br>
+          <br>
+          so please .... solve this problem in mageia 3<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    This looks like the same chip series that I mentioned in my post a
+    few days ago. As far as I know the firmware packages for that chip
+    have never been installed by default. You can work around this by
+    going to the Mageia Control Center software installation and search
+    for 'b43'. Install the 3 packages that are appropriate for your
+    hardware. Do a hard reboot. Go back to MCC and you should be able to
+    install the firmware and drivers you need.<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello again<br><br>i have big trouble now with the 4050 inspiron dell laptop<br><br>all the features in it not fully functional <br><br>but if you can solve it i will be happy to see that<br>
+<br>anyway <br><br>my big problem here <br><br>that .... mageia didnt know what kind of the wireless that laptop is using<br><br>while harddrake already know there is a wireless adaptor <br><br>named broadcom ..... 14e4:4365<br>
+<br>but ..... i saw what kind of driver harddrake using for that adaptor marked as unknown<br><br>so please .... solve this problem in mageia 3<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello again<br><br>i have big trouble now with the 4050 inspiron dell laptop<br><br>all the features in it not fully functional <br><br>but if you can solve it i will be happy to see that<br>
+<br>anyway <br><br>my big problem here <br><br>that .... mageia didnt know what kind of the wireless that laptop is using<br><br>while harddrake already know there is a wireless adaptor <br><br>named broadcom ..... 14e4:4365<br>
+<br>but ..... i saw what kind of driver harddrake using for that adaptor marked as unknown<br><br>so please .... solve this problem in mageia 3<br></div></div>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On Mar 13, 2013 4:42 PM, &quot;المسالم المسالمة&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; mageia 3 beta 3</p>
+<p dir="ltr">They removed the wl propriety drivers to test the open source ones,  and for the devices that don&#39;t work (like this or my 4312), the proprietary drivers will be installed (at least this is what I heard) .<br>
+
+</p>
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+<p dir="ltr"><br>
+On Mar 13, 2013 4:42 PM, &quot;المسالم المسالمة&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com">almusalimalmusalimah@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
+&gt;<br>
+&gt; mageia 3 beta 3</p>
+<p dir="ltr">They removed the wl propriety drivers to test the open source ones,  and for the devices that don&#39;t work (like this or my 4312), the proprietary drivers will be installed (at least this is what I heard) .<br>
+
+</p>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">is that one compatible with the last kernel<br><br>and where i can find it<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">is that one compatible with the last kernel<br><br>and where i can find it<br></div></div>
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+<html>
+  <head>
+    <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
+      http-equiv="Content-Type">
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577; skrev 2013-03-13
+      12:42:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduKjRoiq1SZoHqk6Do9sGD8VT=YW+M1g8yc9e9uFCerj-g@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">hello again<br>
+          <br>
+          i have big trouble now with the 4050 inspiron dell laptop<br>
+          <br>
+          all the features in it not fully functional <br>
+          <br>
+          but if you can solve it i will be happy to see that<br>
+          <br>
+          anyway <br>
+          <br>
+          my big problem here <br>
+          <br>
+          that .... mageia didnt know what kind of the wireless that
+          laptop is using<br>
+          <br>
+          while harddrake already know there is a wireless adaptor <br>
+          <br>
+          named broadcom ..... 14e4:4365<br>
+          <br>
+          but ..... i saw what kind of driver harddrake using for that
+          adaptor marked as unknown<br>
+          <br>
+          so please .... solve this problem in mageia 3<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    You DO know that Mage 3 is a Beta-version right now, right?<br>
+    <br>
+    I think you should read the Erratta for Mageia 3 &amp; see what
+    happens with the build.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605; &#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1587;&#1575;&#1604;&#1605;&#1577; skrev 2013-03-13
+      12:42:<br>
+    </div>
+    <blockquote
+cite="mid:CAPkMduKjRoiq1SZoHqk6Do9sGD8VT=YW+M1g8yc9e9uFCerj-g@mail.gmail.com"
+      type="cite">
+      <div dir="rtl">
+        <div style="text-align:left">hello again<br>
+          <br>
+          i have big trouble now with the 4050 inspiron dell laptop<br>
+          <br>
+          all the features in it not fully functional <br>
+          <br>
+          but if you can solve it i will be happy to see that<br>
+          <br>
+          anyway <br>
+          <br>
+          my big problem here <br>
+          <br>
+          that .... mageia didnt know what kind of the wireless that
+          laptop is using<br>
+          <br>
+          while harddrake already know there is a wireless adaptor <br>
+          <br>
+          named broadcom ..... 14e4:4365<br>
+          <br>
+          but ..... i saw what kind of driver harddrake using for that
+          adaptor marked as unknown<br>
+          <br>
+          so please .... solve this problem in mageia 3<br>
+        </div>
+      </div>
+    </blockquote>
+    <br>
+    You DO know that Mage 3 is a Beta-version right now, right?<br>
+    <br>
+    I think you should read the Erratta for Mageia 3 &amp; see what
+    happens with the build.<br>
+    <br>
+    /Kristoffer<br>
+  </body>
+</html>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">in the end<br><br>help yourself by yourself<br><br>otherwise<br><br>wait till mageia 4 come<br><br>be serious .... people<br><br>i am not talking about just myself<br><br>there is alot of mageia fans have the same problem<br>
+<br>if you care about them<br><br>then .... you should help us<br><br>========================<br><br>its not my fault that money which i bought this laptop by it ... come to me this time<br><br>but what should i do <br></div>
+</div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">in the end<br><br>help yourself by yourself<br><br>otherwise<br><br>wait till mageia 4 come<br><br>be serious .... people<br><br>i am not talking about just myself<br><br>there is alot of mageia fans have the same problem<br>
+<br>if you care about them<br><br>then .... you should help us<br><br>========================<br><br>its not my fault that money which i bought this laptop by it ... come to me this time<br><br>but what should i do <br></div>
+</div>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em sex 15 mar 2013, �s 13:49:27, Kiki Muhammad Syahadat escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I have Mageia 3 beta 3 with KDE. I have problem with firewall. I can't</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; uncheck the &quot;All (without firewall)&quot; checkbox to enable firewall. Everytime</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I click it, it was uncheck. But when I reopen the configuration, it is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; checked again. Is it save to leave the system without firewall?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Kiki.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi Kiki, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I also observed this error here in Mageia 3 beta 3, with KDE.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">See: </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329</span></a></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Macxi</p></body></html>
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em sex 15 mar 2013, �s 13:49:27, Kiki Muhammad Syahadat escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hi,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I have Mageia 3 beta 3 with KDE. I have problem with firewall. I can't</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; uncheck the &quot;All (without firewall)&quot; checkbox to enable firewall. Everytime</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; I click it, it was uncheck. But when I reopen the configuration, it is</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; checked again. Is it save to leave the system without firewall?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Thanks,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Kiki.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Hi Kiki, </p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>I also observed this error here in Mageia 3 beta 3, with KDE.</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">See: </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a href="https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329"><span style=" text-decoration: underline; color:#0000c0;">https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9329</span></a></p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Macxi</p></body></html>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello again <br><br>as we already know .... every day getting more near release date<br><br>for this thing .... i wish to know if there is a counter for that date<br><br>�<br></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">hello again <br><br>as we already know .... every day getting more near release date<br><br>for this thing .... i wish to know if there is a counter for that date<br><br>�<br></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">well .... that&#39;s fine by me<br><br>just want to ask</div></div>
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+<div dir="rtl"><div style="text-align:left">well .... that&#39;s fine by me<br><br>just want to ask</div></div>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
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+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em sex 22 mar 2013, �s 19:30:39, Anne Wilson escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hash: SHA1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The upgrade appeared to go quite well until the reboot, which failed.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; urpmi --clean and /usr/sbin/remove-unused-packages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; did help quite a bit, but still a reboot goes very quickly until it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; reaches</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Checking for new hardware - where it sits for approx. 2 minutes.  Then</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Started Cleanup of Temporary Directories - and there it sits forever.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Any suggestions?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's not a system I need at this moment, so I can do a clean install,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; but I was curious to try out the offered upgrade.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; iEYEARECAAYFAlFMsVwACgkQj93fyh4cnBdkUgCfXzb0Dfk0yvzZES3nBbvrF7mJ</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; t6EAniKgk1YrSWZB/kqUc5JI9LzeCXQR</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; =EVVh</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Maybe these tips will help:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=4577&amp;p=32190&amp;hilit=urpmi+auto+u#p32181</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">or</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=3361&amp;p=24853&amp;hilit=Can%27t+open+RPM+DB+line+74#p24869</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css">
+p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }
+</style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:9pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;">
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">Em sex 22 mar 2013, �s 19:30:39, Anne Wilson escreveu:</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Hash: SHA1</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; The upgrade appeared to go quite well until the reboot, which failed.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; urpmi --clean and /usr/sbin/remove-unused-packages</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; did help quite a bit, but still a reboot goes very quickly until it</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; reaches</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Checking for new hardware - where it sits for approx. 2 minutes.  Then</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Started Cleanup of Temporary Directories - and there it sits forever.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Any suggestions?</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; It's not a system I need at this moment, so I can do a clean install,</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; but I was curious to try out the offered upgrade.</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Anne</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux)</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; </p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; iEYEARECAAYFAlFMsVwACgkQj93fyh4cnBdkUgCfXzb0Dfk0yvzZES3nBbvrF7mJ</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; t6EAniKgk1YrSWZB/kqUc5JI9LzeCXQR</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; =EVVh</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">&gt; -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;"><a name="result_box"></a>Maybe these tips will help:</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=4577&amp;p=32190&amp;hilit=urpmi+auto+u#p32181</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">or</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p>
+<p style=" margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; -qt-user-state:0;">https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;t=3361&amp;p=24853&amp;hilit=Can%27t+open+RPM+DB+line+74#p24869</p>
+<p style="-qt-paragraph-type:empty; margin-top:0px; margin-bottom:0px; margin-left:0px; margin-right:0px; -qt-block-indent:0; text-indent:0px; ">&nbsp;</p></body></html>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi there<br><br></div>We have released beta 4 but only classical installer isos. Live isos will be uploaded as soon as current work is done.<br><br><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/</a><br>
+<br></div>As usual we need your feedbacks!<br><br></div>Enjoy!<br clear="all"><div><div><div><div><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi there<br><br></div>We have released beta 4 but only classical installer isos. Live isos will be uploaded as soon as current work is done.<br><br><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/</a><br>
+<br></div>As usual we need your feedbacks!<br><br></div>Enjoy!<br clear="all"><div><div><div><div><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div></div></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Jeff Robins skrev 3.4.2013 00:29:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a><br></div><div class="im">
+&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+� � Hi there<br>
+<br>
+� � We have released beta 4 but only classical installer isos. Live isos<br>
+� � will be uploaded as soon as current work is done.<br>
+<br>
+� � <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/<u></u>2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-<u></u>waiting-for-your-tests/</a><br>
+<br>
+� � As usual we need your feedbacks!<br>
+<br>
+� � Enjoy!<br>
+<br>
+� � --<br>
+� � Anne<br>
+� � <a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Do any of the ISO&#39;s support EFI?<br>
+<br>
+I need to be able to install grub with EFI support.<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+upcoming beta4 livecds should do so, after that I&#39;ll merge the needed stuff for basic installer isos...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks Thomas.� I&#39;m getting really tired of Windows 8.<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Jeff Robins skrev 3.4.2013 00:29:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
+On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Anne nicolas &lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a><br></div><div class="im">
+&lt;mailto:<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
+<br>
+� � Hi there<br>
+<br>
+� � We have released beta 4 but only classical installer isos. Live isos<br>
+� � will be uploaded as soon as current work is done.<br>
+<br>
+� � <a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/<u></u>2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-<u></u>waiting-for-your-tests/</a><br>
+<br>
+� � As usual we need your feedbacks!<br>
+<br>
+� � Enjoy!<br>
+<br>
+� � --<br>
+� � Anne<br>
+� � <a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a><br>
+<br>
+<br>
+Do any of the ISO&#39;s support EFI?<br>
+<br>
+I need to be able to install grub with EFI support.<br>
+<br>
+</div></blockquote>
+<br>
+upcoming beta4 livecds should do so, after that I&#39;ll merge the needed stuff for basic installer isos...<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+--<br>
+Thomas<br>
+<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thanks Thomas.� I&#39;m getting really tired of Windows 8.<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi there<br><br></div>We have released beta 4 but only classical installer isos. Live isos will be uploaded as soon as current work is done.<br>
+<br><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/</a><br>
+<br></div>As usual we need your feedbacks!<br><br></div>Enjoy!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div><div><div><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div></div></div></font></span></div>
+</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Do any of the ISO&#39;s support EFI?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I need to be able to install grub with EFI support.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thank you,<br>
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Jeff<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:43 AM, Anne nicolas <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:ennael@mageia.org" target="_blank">ennael@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi there<br><br></div>We have released beta 4 but only classical installer isos. Live isos will be uploaded as soon as current work is done.<br>
+<br><a href="http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/" target="_blank">http://blog.mageia.org/en/2013/03/31/mageia-3-beta-4-is-waiting-for-your-tests/</a><br>
+<br></div>As usual we need your feedbacks!<br><br></div>Enjoy!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><div><div><div><br>-- <br>Anne<br><a href="http://www.mageia.org" target="_blank">http://www.mageia.org</a>
+</div></div></div></div></font></span></div>
+</blockquote></div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Do any of the ISO&#39;s support EFI?<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I need to be able to install grub with EFI support.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Thank you,<br>
+<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Jeff<br></div></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi there,<br><br></div>a few days ago I finally got an email from the Belin Linuxtag organization, telling me, Mageia was accepted as a project for this year&#39;s Linuxtag.<br>
+<br></div>Linuxtag will take place from May 22nd till May 25th at the Belin fair grounds.<br><br></div>If you would like to come to Berlin, please register yourself here:<br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Linuxtag_2013#Who_will_be_there_-_Wer_ist_da">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Linuxtag_2013#Who_will_be_there_-_Wer_ist_da</a><br>
+<br></div>We also do need some more booth attendants, so feel free to volunteer for this as well.<br></div><br>Linuxtag is an international event, many talks are held in English but most of the people there are native German speakers, so we are going to have at least one German speaking booth attendant at all times.<br>
+</div>But that doesn&#39;t mean, we cannot use others, who don&#39;t speak German at the same time...<br><br></div>See you in Berlin,<br><br></div>Oliver<br></div>
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+<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Hi there,<br><br></div>a few days ago I finally got an email from the Belin Linuxtag organization, telling me, Mageia was accepted as a project for this year&#39;s Linuxtag.<br>
+<br></div>Linuxtag will take place from May 22nd till May 25th at the Belin fair grounds.<br><br></div>If you would like to come to Berlin, please register yourself here:<br><a href="https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Linuxtag_2013#Who_will_be_there_-_Wer_ist_da">https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Linuxtag_2013#Who_will_be_there_-_Wer_ist_da</a><br>
+<br></div>We also do need some more booth attendants, so feel free to volunteer for this as well.<br></div><br>Linuxtag is an international event, many talks are held in English but most of the people there are native German speakers, so we are going to have at least one German speaking booth attendant at all times.<br>
+</div>But that doesn&#39;t mean, we cannot use others, who don&#39;t speak German at the same time...<br><br></div>See you in Berlin,<br><br></div>Oliver<br></div>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Wolfgang Bornath skrev 5.4.2013 19:21:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Both forums (EN &amp; DE) have been out of order for some time showing<br>
+&quot;General Error / sql error&quot;. I&#39;m posting this here because I don&#39;t<br>
+know whether it&#39;s sysadmin or forum team or web team to contact.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Pascal, seems your iptables lockdown of SQL forgot about friteuse vm.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes sorry about that, I took the list from�<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/manifests/nodes_ip.pp?revision=2976&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/manifests/nodes_ip.pp?revision=2976&amp;view=markup</a> where it is missing</div>
+
+</div><br>
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+<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Thomas Backlund <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:tmb@mageia.org" target="_blank">tmb@mageia.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+
+Wolfgang Bornath skrev 5.4.2013 19:21:<div class="im"><br>
+<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
+Both forums (EN &amp; DE) have been out of order for some time showing<br>
+&quot;General Error / sql error&quot;. I&#39;m posting this here because I don&#39;t<br>
+know whether it&#39;s sysadmin or forum team or web team to contact.<br>
+<br>
+</blockquote>
+<br></div>
+Pascal, seems your iptables lockdown of SQL forgot about friteuse vm.<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes sorry about that, I took the list from�<a href="http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/manifests/nodes_ip.pp?revision=2976&amp;view=markup">http://svnweb.mageia.org/adm/puppet/manifests/nodes_ip.pp?revision=2976&amp;view=markup</a> where it is missing</div>
+
+</div><br>
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+<html><body>I'm afraid this move is sounding very Apple-ish or Microsoft-ish.   It comes across as rude and arrogant towards anyone who does not want to toe the company line for whatever reason.<br /><br />Brian.<br /><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div>&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Mon, 8 Apr 2013 00:38:47 +0200<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mailing list migration: this list is closing<br /><br /><br />
+On Sunday 7. April 2013 23.48, Mageia Sysadmins wrote:<br />
+&gt; The new mailing list requires a Mageia Identity account<br /><br />
+Why?<br />
+That will push away some users from subscribing, and some existing users might leave the list, because they have no intention of creating a mageia account, for whatever reason.<br /><br />
+&gt;  - if you don't have an identity account yet, or with a different email<br />
+&gt;    address, you need to manually subscribe to the new mailing list<br /><br />
+What if we really do want to subscribe with an address not listed anywhere in the mageia account? Meaning, we intentionally do not want to use the email address listed in out account page?<br />
+I am one of them.<br /><br />
+I have personally 100 -One Houndred- email aliases. Almost every time I need to register somewhere, I create a new alias. if the entity where I registered starts to misuse my address, I can easilly stop it by removing the alias.<br />
+It's also an easy way to sort incomming mail.<br />
+Many people do this.<br /><br />
+-- <br />
+Johnny A. Solbu<br />
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br /><br /></blockquote></body></html>
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+<html><body>I'm afraid this move is sounding very Apple-ish or Microsoft-ish.   It comes across as rude and arrogant towards anyone who does not want to toe the company line for whatever reason.<br /><br />Brian.<br /><blockquote><br />----- Original Message -----<br /><div style="width:100%;background:rgb(228,228,228);"><div style="font-weight:bold;">From:</div> "Mageia general discussions" &lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">To:</div>&lt;mageia-discuss@mageia.org&gt;<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</div><br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</div>Mon, 8 Apr 2013 00:38:47 +0200<br /><div style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</div>Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mailing list migration: this list is closing<br /><br /><br />
+On Sunday 7. April 2013 23.48, Mageia Sysadmins wrote:<br />
+&gt; The new mailing list requires a Mageia Identity account<br /><br />
+Why?<br />
+That will push away some users from subscribing, and some existing users might leave the list, because they have no intention of creating a mageia account, for whatever reason.<br /><br />
+&gt;  - if you don't have an identity account yet, or with a different email<br />
+&gt;    address, you need to manually subscribe to the new mailing list<br /><br />
+What if we really do want to subscribe with an address not listed anywhere in the mageia account? Meaning, we intentionally do not want to use the email address listed in out account page?<br />
+I am one of them.<br /><br />
+I have personally 100 -One Houndred- email aliases. Almost every time I need to register somewhere, I create a new alias. if the entity where I registered starts to misuse my address, I can easilly stop it by removing the alias.<br />
+It's also an easy way to sort incomming mail.<br />
+Many people do this.<br /><br />
+-- <br />
+Johnny A. Solbu<br />
+PGP key ID: 0xFA687324<br /><br /></blockquote></body></html>
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