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<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div><br></div><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><br><div style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:10pt"><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><hr size="1"><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Michael Scherer <misc@zarb.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mageia general discussions <mageia-discuss@mageia.org><br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Wed, September 22, 2010 11:39:57 AM<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums<br></font><br>
Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a écrit :<br><br>> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia <br>> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a <br>> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can <br>> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would <br>> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.<br><br>Well, no for several reasons:<br><br>1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.<br>And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and<br>non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the<br>simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ). <br><br>2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:<br><br>- depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you<br>didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing (
at least, it does<br>stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something<br>important or not )<br><br>- you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution<br>allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't<br>interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )<br><br>- you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess<br><br>- you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,<br>to highlight post with keyword ) <br><br>- you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when<br>specialized ml will appear )<br><br>- you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for<br>git with git am )<br><br>- you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )<br><br>- most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute<br>part )<br><br>So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so
uncommon<br>one among the FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.<br><br><br>Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,<br>seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass<br>in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically<br>changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and<br>that still reflect my thoughts.<br><br>Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like<br>Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various<br>task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing<br>the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for<br>everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to<br>get on the forum. <br><br>So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that<br>not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well,
while<br>reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know<br>and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I<br>have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many<br>mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope<br>with a user forums. <br><br>When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic",<br>or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to<br>only have the more important discussion ( ie, a<br>packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ). <br><br>-- <br>Michael Scherer<br><br><br><br>I am torn, on the ML vs Forums thing. I like forums, and I think for normal users it would be easier for them. but; for more active devs/user other Mageia personnel a ML would be better. <br><br>not, sure how to resolve it, its an age old
question.<br><br>-Nex6<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Mageia-discuss mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org" href="mailto:Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</a><br><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss" target="_blank">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</a><br></div></div>
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