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+<?php
+/**
+*
+* This file is part of the phpBB Forum Software package.
+*
+* @copyright (c) phpBB Limited <https://www.phpbb.com>
+* @license GNU General Public License, version 2 (GPL-2.0)
+*
+* For full copyright and license information, please see
+* the docs/CREDITS.txt file.
+*
+*/
+
+namespace phpbb\textreparser;
+
+abstract class base implements reparser_interface
+{
+ /**
+ * @var bool Whether to save changes to the database
+ */
+ protected $save_changes = true;
+
+ /**
+ * {@inheritdoc}
+ */
+ abstract public function get_max_id();
+
+ /**
+ * Return all records in given range
+ *
+ * @param integer $min_id Lower bound
+ * @param integer $max_id Upper bound
+ * @return array Array of records
+ */
+ abstract protected function get_records_by_range($min_id, $max_id);
+
+ /**
+ * {@inheritdoc}
+ */
+ abstract protected function save_record(array $record);
+
+ /**
+ * Add fields to given record, if applicable
+ *
+ * The enable_* fields are not always saved to the database. Sometimes we need to guess their
+ * original value based on the text content or possibly other fields
+ *
+ * @param array $record Original record
+ * @return array Complete record
+ */
+ protected function add_missing_fields(array $record)
+ {
+ if (!isset($record['enable_bbcode'], $record['enable_smilies'], $record['enable_magic_url']))
+ {
+ if (isset($record['options']))
+ {
+ $record += array(
+ 'enable_bbcode' => (bool) ($record['options'] & OPTION_FLAG_BBCODE),
+ 'enable_smilies' => (bool) ($record['options'] & OPTION_FLAG_SMILIES),
+ 'enable_magic_url' => (bool) ($record['options'] & OPTION_FLAG_LINKS),
+ );
+ }
+ else
+ {
+ $record += array(
+ 'enable_bbcode' => $this->guess_bbcodes($record),
+ 'enable_smilies' => $this->guess_smilies($record),
+ 'enable_magic_url' => $this->guess_magic_url($record),
+ );
+ }
+ }
+
+ // Those BBCodes are disabled based on context and user permissions and that value is never
+ // stored in the database. Here we test whether they were used in the original text.
+ $bbcodes = array('flash', 'img', 'quote', 'url');
+ foreach ($bbcodes as $bbcode)
+ {
+ $field_name = 'enable_' . $bbcode . '_bbcode';
+ $record[$field_name] = $this->guess_bbcode($record, $bbcode);
+ }
+
+ // Magic URLs are tied to the URL BBCode, that's why if magic URLs are enabled we make sure
+ // that the URL BBCode is also enabled
+ if ($record['enable_magic_url'])
+ {
+ $record['enable_url_bbcode'] = true;
+ }
+
+ return $record;
+ }
+
+ /**
+ * Disable saving changes to the database
+ */
+ public function disable_save()
+ {
+ $this->save_changes = false;
+ }
+
+ /**
+ * Enable saving changes to the database
+ */
+ public function enable_save()
+ {
+ $this->save_changes = true;
+ }
+
+ /**
+ * Guess whether given BBCode is in use in given record
+ *
+ * @param array $record
+ * @param string $bbcode
+ * @return bool
+ */
+ protected function guess_bbcode(array $record, $bbcode)
+ {
+ if (!empty($record['bbcode_uid']))
+ {
+ // Look for the closing tag, e.g. [/url]
+ $match = '[/' . $bbcode . ':' . $record['bbcode_uid'];
+ if (strpos($record['text'], $match) !== false)
+ {
+ return true;
+ }
+ }
+
+ if (substr($record['text'], 0, 2) === '<r')
+ {
+ // Look for the closing tag inside of a e element, in an element of the same name, e.g.
+ // <e>[/url]</e></URL>
+ $match = '<e>[/' . $bbcode . ']</e></' . strtoupper($bbcode) . '>';
+ if (strpos($record['text'], $match) !== false)
+ {
+ return true;
+ }
+ }
+
+ return false;
+ }
+
+ /**
+ * Guess whether any BBCode is in use in given record
+ *
+ * @param array $record
+ * @return bool
+ */
+ protected function guess_bbcodes(array $record)
+ {
+ if (!empty($record['bbcode_uid']))
+ {
+ // Test whether the bbcode_uid is in use
+ $match = ':' . $record['bbcode_uid'];
+ if (strpos($record['text'], $match) !== false)
+ {
+ return true;
+ }
+ }
+
+ if (substr($record['text'], 0, 2) === '<r')
+ {
+ // Look for a closing tag inside of an e element
+ return (bool) preg_match('(<e>\\[/\\w+\\]</e>)', $match);
+ }
+
+ return false;
+ }
+
+ /**
+ * Guess whether magic URLs are in use in given record
+ *
+ * @param array $record
+ * @return bool
+ */
+ protected function guess_magic_url(array $record)
+ {
+ // Look for <!-- m --> or for a URL tag that's not immediately followed by <s>
+ return (strpos($record['text'], '<!-- m -->') !== false || preg_match('(<URL [^>]++>(?!<s>))', $record['text']));
+ }
+
+ /**
+ * Guess whether smilies are in use in given record
+ *
+ * @param array $record
+ * @return bool
+ */
+ protected function guess_smilies(array $record)
+ {
+ return (strpos($record['text'], '<!-- s') !== false || strpos($record['text'], '<E>') !== false);
+ }
+
+ /**
+ * {@inheritdoc}
+ */
+ public function reparse_range($min_id, $max_id)
+ {
+ foreach ($this->get_records_by_range($min_id, $max_id) as $record)
+ {
+ $this->reparse_record($record);
+ }
+ }
+
+ /**
+ * Reparse given record
+ *
+ * @param array $record Associative array containing the record's data
+ */
+ protected function reparse_record(array $record)
+ {
+ $record = $this->add_missing_fields($record);
+ $flags = ($record['enable_bbcode']) ? OPTION_FLAG_BBCODE : 0;
+ $flags |= ($record['enable_smilies']) ? OPTION_FLAG_SMILIES : 0;
+ $flags |= ($record['enable_magic_url']) ? OPTION_FLAG_LINKS : 0;
+ $unparsed = array_merge(
+ $record,
+ generate_text_for_edit($record['text'], $record['bbcode_uid'], $flags)
+ );
+
+ // generate_text_for_edit() and decode_message() actually return the text as HTML. It has to
+ // be decoded to plain text before it can be reparsed
+ $text = html_entity_decode($unparsed['text'], ENT_QUOTES, 'UTF-8');
+ $bitfield = $flags = null;
+ generate_text_for_storage(
+ $text,
+ $unparsed['bbcode_uid'],
+ $bitfield,
+ $flags,
+ $unparsed['enable_bbcode'],
+ $unparsed['enable_magic_url'],
+ $unparsed['enable_smilies'],
+ $unparsed['enable_img_bbcode'],
+ $unparsed['enable_flash_bbcode'],
+ $unparsed['enable_quote_bbcode'],
+ $unparsed['enable_url_bbcode']
+ );
+
+ // Save the new text if it has changed and it's not a dry run
+ if ($text !== $record['text'] && $this->save_changes)
+ {
+ $record['text'] = $text;
+ $this->save_record($record);
+ }
+ }
+}
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>Le 18/09/2010 15:40, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello Mageia \o/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Tiens, maintenant on ne dit plus &quot;Hello World&quot; mais &quot;Hello Mageia&quot; ? :)
+
+Bonjour ici ;)
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+<PRE>Le 18/09/2010 16:11, Olivier M&#233;jean a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello Mageia \o/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Happy birthday Mageia !
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+</I>I would even say &quot;Happy Birth Mageia&quot; !
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+2010/9/18 DjeZAeL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">djezael at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le 18/09/2010 16:11, Olivier M&#233;jean a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nicolas vigier a &#233;crit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello Mageia \o/
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Happy birthday Mageia !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would even say &quot;Happy Birth Mageia&quot; !
+</I>
+
+Magic Mageia ! in time for <A HREF="http://softwarefreedomday.org/">http://softwarefreedomday.org/</A> \o/
+
+Ben'. aka baud123
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>I love the name of Mageia, and personally i am proud because it refers to
+the greek word &quot;&#924;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945;&quot; =&gt; Magic =&gt; Magique
+
+what is the history of choosing the name ?
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+filipesaraiva(<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>) and aracele(<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">araceletorres at gmail.com</A>).
+Link on pastebin.ca/1943622
+
+
+MAGEIA - UMA NOVA DISTRIBUI&#199;&#195;O LINUX
+
+Paris, 18 de setembro de 2010
+
+Como voc&#234; deve ter ouvido falar, o futuro do Mandriva Linux &#233; incerto.
+
+A maioria dos empregados que trabalhavam na distribui&#231;&#227;o foram demitidos
+quando a Edge-IT foi liquidada. N&#243;s n&#227;o confiamos mais nos planos da
+Mandriva SA e n&#227;o acreditamos que a empresa (ou qualquer outra empresa) seja
+um porto seguro para tal projeto.
+
+Muitas coisas aconteceram nos &#250;ltimos 12 anos. Algumas foram muito boas: a
+comunidade em torno do Mandriva Linux &#233; grande, motivada e experiente, a
+distribui&#231;&#227;o se tornou uma das mais populares e premiadas, f&#225;cil de usar e
+inovadora. Alguns outros eventos tiveram consequ&#234;ncias realmente muito
+ruins, que fizeram as pessoas ficarem n&#227;o t&#227;o confiantes quanto a
+viabilidade de sua distribui&#231;&#227;o favorita.
+
+As pessoas que trabalham nisto apenas n&#227;o querem ser dependentes da economia
+flutuante e err&#225;tica, e os inexplic&#225;veis movimentos estrat&#233;gicos de uma
+empresa.
+
+Fork do Mandriva Linux? Sim!
+
+Fazer um fork de um projeto de c&#243;digo aberto existente nunca &#233; uma decis&#227;o
+f&#225;cil de ser tomada, e fazer um fork do Mandriva Linux &#233; um trabalho imenso.
+
+Isto n&#227;o foi uma decis&#227;o impulsiva. N&#243;s todos conversamos: ex-empregados,
+contribuidores do Cooker e a comunidade de usu&#225;rios. N&#243;s coletamos opini&#245;es
+e rea&#231;&#245;es nas &#250;ltimas semanas pois precis&#225;vamos de algum tipo de acordo
+global e garantias para uma base inicial antes de seguirmos adiante.
+
+Acreditamos que um fork &#233; a melhor solu&#231;&#227;o e decidimos criar uma nova
+distribui&#231;&#227;o: Mageia.
+
+Novos fundamentos.
+
+Mageia &#233; um projeto da comunidade: ele n&#227;o vai depender do destino de uma
+empresa particular.
+Uma organiza&#231;&#227;o sem fins lucrativos ser&#225; criada nos pr&#243;ximos dias e ser&#225;
+gerida por um conselho de membros da comunidade.
+Ap&#243;s o primeiro ano, o conselho ser&#225; eleito regularmente pelos membros
+comprometidos com a comunidade.
+
+Esta organiza&#231;&#227;o ir&#225; gerenciar e coordenar a distribui&#231;&#227;o: c&#243;digo e
+hospedagem do software e distribui&#231;&#227;o, constru&#231;&#227;o do sistema, marketing,
+comunica&#231;&#227;o e promo&#231;&#227;o de eventos. Dados, fatos, roteiros, designs ser&#227;o
+compartilhados, discutidos atrav&#233;s desta organiza&#231;&#227;o.
+
+Vamos discutir e estabelecer os detalhes nos pr&#243;ximos dias.
+
+A distribui&#231;&#227;o Mageia ser&#225; o que o conselho fizer com que ela seja, com a
+ajuda e contribui&#231;&#227;o de toda comunidade.
+N&#243;s j&#225; temos ideias e planos para esta distribui&#231;&#227;o; queremos:
+
+tornar o Linux e o software livre simples de usar para todos;
+fornecer ferramentas de configura&#231;&#227;o do sistema integrado;
+manter um alto n&#237;vel de integra&#231;&#227;o entre a base do sistema, o desktop
+(KDE/GNOME) e aplica&#231;&#245;es; especialmente melhorar a integra&#231;&#227;o com softwares
+de terceiros (sendo ele livre de software propriet&#225;rio);
+focar em novas arquiteturas;
+melhorar nossa compreens&#227;o sobre usu&#225;rios de computadores e dispositivos
+eletr&#244;nicos.
+
+Voc&#234; certamente tem as suas ideias tamb&#233;m. N&#243;s teremos tempo para
+compartilh&#225;-las.
+
+Comunidade.
+
+Entendemos a comunidade Mageia como:
+
+usu&#225;rios,
+criadores (designers, programadores, empacotadores, tradutores e testadores,
+etc),
+entusiastas.
+
+Eles podem ser indiv&#237;duos, organiza&#231;&#245;es e empresas de todo o mundo.
+Existem desafios aqui, tantos pa&#237;ses, tantas l&#237;nguas, tantas culturas,
+necessidades t&#227;o diferentes. E isso &#233; &#243;timo.
+
+Vimos com a experi&#234;ncia da Assembl&#233;ia Mandriva que n&#227;o &#233; uma tarefa f&#225;cil.
+Acreditamos que podemos fazer melhor ainda.
+
+Pessoas.
+
+Fa&#231;a o que fizer na vida, as pessoas s&#227;o seu maior e &#250;nico recurso
+verdadeiro.
+E Mageia visa ajudar as pessoas. Quest&#245;es de responsabilidade. Estamos
+apenas no in&#237;cio deste fork. N&#227;o vai ser f&#225;cil. Mas acreditamos que seja
+necess&#225;rio.
+
+Ahmad Samir (ahmad78) - Colaborador da Mandriva (equipe de triagem de bugs,
+empacotamento)
+Anne Nicolas (ennael) - Ex-funcion&#225;rio da Mandriva (era empacotador, gerente
+de lan&#231;amento, gestor da comunidade)
+Anssi Hannula (Anssi) - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, tradu&#231;&#245;es)
+Arnaud Patard (rtp) - Ex-funcion&#225;rio da Mandriva (era hacker do kernel)
+Christophe Fergeau (teuf) - Ex-funcion&#225;rio da Mandriva (trabalhava com
+urpmi, drakxtools, rpm, gcc, ...)
+Colin Guthrie (coling) - Colaborador da Mandriva (Pulse Audio,
+empacotamento)
+Damien Lallement (dams) - Ex-funcion&#225;rio da Mandriva (era gerente de QA)
+Erwan Velu - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, habilitando hardware)
+F&#233;lix Martos - administrador Blogdrake
+Guillaume Rousse (guillomovitch) - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento,
+ferramentas do espelho)
+J&#233;r&#244;me Quelin (jq) - Colaborador da Mandriva (Perl, empacotamento)
+Michael Scherer (misc) - Colaborador da Mandriva (constru&#231;&#227;o do sistema,
+Python, empacotamento)
+Nicolas Vigier (boklm) - Ex-funcion&#225;rio da Mandriva (trabalhava na
+constru&#231;&#227;o do sistema, empacotamento, projetos de pesquisa da Mandriva)
+Olivier Blin (blino) - Ex-funcion&#225;rio da Mandriva (trabalhava com
+Drakxtools, instalador, Perl, boot, ...)
+Olivier Mejean (goom) - Comunidade francesa de usu&#225;rios
+Olivier Thauvin (Nanar) - Colaborador da Mandriva (empacotamento, espelhos)
+Pascal Vilarem (maat) - Comunidade francesa de usu&#225;rios
+Romain d'Alverny (rda) - Ex-funcion&#225;rio da Mandriva (era gerente do sistema
+de informa&#231;&#227;o)
+S&#233;verine Wiltgen (sevalienor) - Ex-funcion&#225;rio da Mandriva (trabalhava com
+suporte profissional, server stack)
+Thierry Vignaud (tv) - Ex-funcion&#225;rio da Mandriva e contribuidor
+(Drakxtools, instalador, Perl, empacotamento)
+Thomas Backlund (tmb) - Colaborador da Mandriva (hacker do kernel,
+tradu&#231;&#245;es)
+Wolfgang Bornath (wobo) - Comunidade alem&#227; de usu&#225;rios
+
+Para outros contribuidores: se voc&#234; quiser que seu nome seja adicionado &#224;
+lista, indicando que pretende seguir o fork, avise-nos no canal IRC, ou por
+e-mail.
+
+Pr&#243;ximos passos
+
+Estamos procurando muitas coisas diferentes nos pr&#243;ximos dias:
+
+hardware para hospedagem de c&#243;digo, servidores + datacenters para hospedar o
+projeto;
+desenvolvedores, colaboradores, tradutores e testadores a dispostos a
+contribuir no desenvolvimento de Mageia;
+conselhos sobre a constru&#231;&#227;o da organiza&#231;&#227;o e seus processos, etc
+
+Sua ajuda e apoio ser&#225; muito apreciada.
+
+Como nos contatar
+
+Mailing-lists
+
+IRC (Rede Freenode)
+
+#mageia (English),
+#mageia-dev (developers channel, English),
+#mageia-kde (KDE-specific channel),
+#mageia-br (Portugu&#234;s do Brasil),
+#mageia-fi (Finnish),
+#mageia-fr (Fran&#231;ais),
+#mageia-es (Espa&#241;ol),
+#mageia-ru (Russian)
+
+
+--
+Filipe Saraiva
+**************************************
+Meu blog: <A HREF="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</A>
+
+Associa&#231;&#227;o Piauiense de Software Livre
+Projeto Software Livre - Piau&#237; - PSL-PI
+
+&#8220;Voc&#234; deve ser a mudan&#231;a que deseja ver no mundo.&#8221; - Gandhi
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+ <B>Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n</B>
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+ <I>Sat Sep 18 19:42:47 CEST 2010</I>
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+ <B>SinnerBOFH</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Jos&#233;!
+
+I'm from BlogDrake.net , Mandrake and Mandriva Spanish-speaking community.
+
+We are all at BlogDrake very excited to see our favorite Linux distribution to be reborn.
+
+See:
+
+<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/vfmbofh/la-fe-mueve-montanas">http://blogdrake.net/blog/vfmbofh/la-fe-mueve-montanas</A>
+
+With Mageia, Magic is back!
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+
+P.S.: your English is pretty good :)
+
+On Sep 18, 2010, at 1:42 PM, Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jidc07 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I am sorry for my English, I am from Guatemala, I am studing English and now I am going to Study hard to comunicate with all of you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I write for the first time and I do it to the 3 lists just to introduce myself,
+</I>&gt;<i> I am a Mandrake user since version 7 and now with Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010.1, mandriva is the best and I'm ready to help as
+</I>&gt;<i> necessary to this project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am studing computer engineering, I like to program in C++ / Qt4, not
+</I>&gt;<i> know much kdelibs but what I can, I'm here to help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again, I am sorry for my English jejejejeje.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/18, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I love the name of Mageia, and personally i am proud because it refers to
+</I>&gt;<i> the greek word &quot;&#924;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945;&quot; =&gt; Magic =&gt; Magique
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what is the history of choosing the name ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i did a fault is &quot;Magie&quot; in french
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+ <B>Olivier M&#233;jean</B>
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+<PRE>Hello there :)
+
+As some you may know, i am the founder of the French community Mandriva
+Magazine called Magnum : <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/MAGNUM">http://wiki.mandriva.com/fr/MAGNUM</A> (fell free to
+download past issues)
+
+I am no developer, no more do i package, i may do bug reports, so i can't help
+much on technical side. I am rather on advocate side, promote the distro i use
+(Mandriva for the moment, Mageia in the future)
+
+I want to create a community magazine for Mageia. Instead of creating for just
+french community, i want it for the whole community.
+
+What is needed for it is quite simple :
+- writers for articles. Articles can be written by technical or non-technical
+people. Articles are on presenting a development, a new technology, a
+software, tutorials, report of an event, presentation of community, interview,
+etc.
+
+- translators. I would like to publish each magazine in as many languages
+possible, english, french, german, spanish, portuguese, greek, finnish,
+italian, ... An article can be written in any language then translate into
+english then translate into all other languages.
+
+- proof-readers to ensure quality of the texts. From my experience there is a
+need of 2 or 3 proof reading of each article. maybe a first proof reading in
+the first language used is to be set before translation.
+
+- The work of layout. Scribus is the best for publishing, it is free and free.
+With layer i think it is possible to have one layout for all translated
+magazines. Layout is also about including images, styles (once defined they
+should not change to much, btw use free fonts)
+
+- Advocates that announce the publication thougout the web
+
+- (oh, once more, a packager to create the rpm so users of mageia just have to
+install an rpm !)
+
+- i was about to forget : chief editors to shout after writers who promise to
+write but did not have time to, to shout after translators who promise to
+translate but did not have time to, to shout after proof-readers who promise
+to proof-red but..., to shout after layouters who promise ... so you see the
+point ;-)
+
+So, it is a nice stuff, it required manpower. French community was too small
+for a release each month (ah, yes, i plan to release it each month), i hope
+with an international community it will be easier to fill the magazine.
+
+What do you think of it ? Am i completely silly or just silly ?
+
+Feel free to react, comment, agree, join me !
+
+
+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
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+
+Mailing lists are a good start, but we need to get a Web Forum up and
+running as soon as possible. I do not know whether someone is already
+working on one, but I can help to finance it.
+
+If no-one is working on it already, then I can go and rent a server and
+set it all up too, but I don't want to duplicate effort.
+
+Please let me know.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Herman
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+I'm joining the effort, like many others.
+
+I am/was contributing to Mandriva Linux, mainly doing backports, maintaining some packages (games, and software around interactive fiction and text adventures), and like many others testing. Oh yes, and chatting on IRC too but I don't think it counts as &quot;contributing&quot; ;).
+
+When a BS is ready I'd be glad to have an account on it to do some packaging now for Mageia, and maybe work on more packages than previously if needed.
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde (Stormi)
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+You can find the greek translation here:
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</A>
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hi Dimitrios,
+
+just got your previous email - please check <A HREF="http://mageia.org/el/">http://mageia.org/el/</A>
+
+thank you so much!
+
+Romain
+
+On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 22:13, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi !
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find the greek translation here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm joining the effort, like many others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am/was contributing to Mandriva Linux, mainly doing backports, maintaining some packages (games, and software around interactive fiction and text adventures), and like many others testing. Oh yes, and chatting on IRC too but I don't think it counts as &quot;contributing&quot; ;).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When a BS is ready I'd be glad to have an account on it to do some packaging now for Mageia, and maybe work on more packages than previously if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde (Stormi)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I forgot : I used to contribute also with donations I will be glad to do it now for Mageia. Don't expect too much, only the equivalent to the old Mandriva Club Silver membership :)
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+<PRE>On Saturday 18 of September 2010 11:42:47 Jos&#239;&#191;&#189; Israel de Le&#239;&#191;&#189;n
+Cord&#239;&#191;&#189;n wrote:
+&gt;<i> I am sorry for my English, I am from Guatemala, I am studing English
+</I>&gt;<i> and now I am going to Study hard to comunicate with all of you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I write for the first time and I do it to the 3 lists just to
+</I>&gt;<i> introduce myself, I am a Mandrake user since version 7 and now with
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010.1, mandriva is the best and I'm ready to help as
+</I>&gt;<i> necessary to this project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am studing computer engineering, I like to program in C++ / Qt4, not
+</I>&gt;<i> know much kdelibs but what I can, I'm here to help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again, I am sorry for my English jejejejeje.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE> Hi,
+
+For a server, I know that MLO (french community, ) proposed web hosting.
+(<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/forum/topic-9378-1+mandriva-forke-8594-mageia.php#m94166">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/forum/topic-9378-1+mandriva-forke-8594-mageia.php#m94166</A>
+&lt;<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/forum/topic-9378-1+mandriva-forke-8594-mageia.php#m94166">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org/forum/topic-9378-1+mandriva-forke-8594-mageia.php#m94166</A>&gt;,
+use google translate :-) )
+
+Cheers,
+
+Matthieu
+Le 18/09/2010 21:55, herman a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi everybody,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mailing lists are a good start, but we need to get a Web Forum up and
+</I>&gt;<i> running as soon as possible. I do not know whether someone is already
+</I>&gt;<i> working on one, but I can help to finance it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If no-one is working on it already, then I can go and rent a server and
+</I>&gt;<i> set it all up too, but I don't want to duplicate effort.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please let me know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Herman
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi !
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find the greek translation here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+Hope the new name gets a big support from Hellenic Penguins :-)
+
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+&gt;<i> Hi everybody,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mailing lists are a good start, but we need to get a Web Forum up and
+</I>&gt;<i> running as soon as possible. I do not know whether someone is already
+</I>&gt;<i> working on one, but I can help to finance it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If no-one is working on it already, then I can go and rent a server and
+</I>&gt;<i> set it all up too, but I don't want to duplicate effort.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please let me know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Herman
+</I>
+Hi
+
+The announce was the very first point. A forum is planned (and if not, i will
+be glad to remain it to whoever in charge of website ! :) )
+
+Olivier aka goom
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+ <B>William Bagwell</B>
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+ <I>Sat Sep 18 21:59:28 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hi, Mandriva user since Mandrake 8.0. Not the least bit ashamed to admit
+that I administer my home box with a mixture of GUI and command line
+tools. Have for almost eight years now... As long as Mageia plans to keep
+the GUI tools I will help what little I can.
+--
+William
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+ <B>Paul Willard</B>
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+ <I>Sat Sep 18 22:40:03 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>My introduction.
+
+My Name is Paul Willard, a bunch of people on the internet know me as
+TerminalAddict, and I am the original founder, owner, and lead administrator
+or <A HREF="http://mandrivausers.org">http://mandrivausers.org</A>
+
+And I'm here to help :)
+
+
+
+I have registered the domain name mageiausers.org .. I hope this was OK to
+do
+
+I'm happy to assist developing a community support strategy.
+
+
+
+Talk soon.
+
+Paul Willard.
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+ <B>Anssi Hannula</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:59:28 William Bagwell wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+Hi!
+
+&gt;<i> Mandriva user since Mandrake 8.0. Not the least bit ashamed to admit
+</I>&gt;<i> that I administer my home box with a mixture of GUI and command line
+</I>&gt;<i> tools. Have for almost eight years now... As long as Mageia plans to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> the GUI tools I will help what little I can.
+</I>
+Yes, we will be keeping the tools. Thank you for your support :)
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+Hi! and welcome :)
+
+&gt;<i> I'm joining the effort, like many others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am/was contributing to Mandriva Linux, mainly doing backports,
+</I>&gt;<i> maintaining some packages (games, and software around interactive fiction
+</I>&gt;<i> and text adventures), and like many others testing. Oh yes, and chatting
+</I>&gt;<i> on IRC too but I don't think it counts as &quot;contributing&quot; ;).
+</I>
+It is contributing, you make the project seem more alive :)
+
+&gt;<i> When a BS is ready I'd be glad to have an account on it to do some
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging now for Mageia, and maybe work on more packages than previously
+</I>&gt;<i> if needed.
+</I>
+Thank you, your support is appreciated.
+
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+
+Just letting everyone know im here to help with web development if needed and maybe english editing
+
+i will help with testing too
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+Will
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+<PRE>Plop,
+content que &#231;a d&#233;marre ;)
+Bon, je l'ai dis sur irc, je le r&#233;p&#232;te ici,
+je suis dispo pour filer de l'aide sur du dev (C/C++/Qt surtout), de
+l'infra,
+n'importe sauf de la traduction ;)
+
+Je peux pr&#234;ter de l'espace sur un serveur perso , j'ai une ip en rabe que
+je peux garder pour le projet si il y a des trucs a h&#233;berger.
+Le petit hic c'est qu'il y a pas des masses d'espace disque dessus...
+
+Sinon, si il faut cotiser pour payer des choses, je ne sais pas ce qui est
+pr&#233;vu, mais l'id&#233;e ne me d&#233;plaie pas :p
+
+vala
+youpi pour l'initiative en tout cas :=)
+
+a+
+hurdman aka Yves-Ga&#235;l
+
+ps : je veux bien qu'on mette mon nom sur la liste :D
+
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+<PRE>On 19 September 2010 00:32, William Shand &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">will4leanne at hotmail.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just letting everyone know im here to help with web development if needed
+</I>&gt;<i> and maybe english editing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i will help with testing too
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Excellent! :)
+
+(See Olivier M&#233;jean's post about the magazine he's planning to publish
+about Mageia, he needs editors/proof-readers. Also if you design web
+pages you can help design the magazine layout, using scribus.. etc).
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
+</PRE>
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+
+<LI><A HREF="001861.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001879.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Bagwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001875.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andrey Borzenkov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001884.html">[Mageia-discuss] contrib strike back
+</A><A NAME="1884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001864.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001858.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001860.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001862.html">[Mageia-discuss] The name Mageia is wonderfull !
+</A><A NAME="1862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001866.html">[Mageia-discuss] The name Mageia is wonderfull !
+</A><A NAME="1866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001872.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001881.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001882.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001859.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001868.html">[Mageia-discuss] community magazine of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001878.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001876.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthieu P
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001870.html">[Mageia-discuss] test
+</A><A NAME="1870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001863.html">[Mageia-discuss] Complete translate of Mageia website to Brasilian Portuguese
+</A><A NAME="1863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Shand
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001865.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001877.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001867.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001871.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="001874.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001880.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing Paul Willard
+</A><A NAME="1880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001873.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001869.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001857.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
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+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001857.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001858.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001859.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001860.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001861.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001862.html">[Mageia-discuss] The name Mageia is wonderfull !
+</A><A NAME="1862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001863.html">[Mageia-discuss] Complete translate of Mageia website to Brasilian Portuguese
+</A><A NAME="1863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001864.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001875.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andrey Borzenkov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001865.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001866.html">[Mageia-discuss] The name Mageia is wonderfull !
+</A><A NAME="1866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001867.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001868.html">[Mageia-discuss] community magazine of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001869.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001870.html">[Mageia-discuss] test
+</A><A NAME="1870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001879.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Bagwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001871.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001872.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001873.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001874.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001876.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthieu P
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001877.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001878.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001880.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing Paul Willard
+</A><A NAME="1880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001881.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001882.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Shand
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001884.html">[Mageia-discuss] contrib strike back
+</A><A NAME="1884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Sep 18 23:56:59 CEST 2010</i><br>
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+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Sep 18 23:56:59 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 29<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001867.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001869.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001876.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthieu P
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001878.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001868.html">[Mageia-discuss] community magazine of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001863.html">[Mageia-discuss] Complete translate of Mageia website to Brasilian Portuguese
+</A><A NAME="1863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001884.html">[Mageia-discuss] contrib strike back
+</A><A NAME="1884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001872.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001873.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001877.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001879.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Bagwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001881.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001857.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001858.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001859.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001860.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001861.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Shand
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001864.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001875.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andrey Borzenkov
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001865.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001880.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing Paul Willard
+</A><A NAME="1880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001871.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001874.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001882.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001870.html">[Mageia-discuss] test
+</A><A NAME="1870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001862.html">[Mageia-discuss] The name Mageia is wonderfull !
+</A><A NAME="1862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001866.html">[Mageia-discuss] The name Mageia is wonderfull !
+</A><A NAME="1866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Sep 18 23:56:59 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 15:35:20 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Sep 18 23:56:59 CEST 2010</i><br>
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+<!--0 01284817256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001857.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284817256-01284818187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001858.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284817256-01284819084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001859.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284817256-01284819084-01284819802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001860.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284817256-01284819084-01284819802-01284827895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001861.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello Mageia !
+</A><A NAME="1861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284829409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001862.html">[Mageia-discuss] The name Mageia is wonderfull !
+</A><A NAME="1862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284829409-01284832238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001866.html">[Mageia-discuss] The name Mageia is wonderfull !
+</A><A NAME="1866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284831290- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001863.html">[Mageia-discuss] Complete translate of Mageia website to Brasilian Portuguese
+</A><A NAME="1863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284831767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001864.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284831767-01284832040- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001865.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284831767-01284834610- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001867.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284831772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001875.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andrey Borzenkov
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284839059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001868.html">[Mageia-discuss] community magazine of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284839716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001869.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284839716-01284841026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001876.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthieu P
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284839716-01284841696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001878.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284839935- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001870.html">[Mageia-discuss] test
+</A><A NAME="1870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284839968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001879.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Bagwell
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284839968-01284843821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001881.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284840772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001871.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284840772-01284841017- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001874.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
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+<!--1 01284840772-01284844024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001882.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="1882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
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+</UL>
+<!--0 01284840796- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001872.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284840796-01284840954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001873.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284840796-01284841583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001877.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284842403- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001880.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing Paul Willard
+</A><A NAME="1880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284845522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Shand
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284845522-01284847019- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284846071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001884.html">[Mageia-discuss] contrib strike back
+</A><A NAME="1884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
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+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Sep 18 23:56:59 CEST 2010</i><br>
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+ <B>Remy CLOUARD</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Artwork%20-%20Mageia%20Logo%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3C20100919153006.GA13150%40shikamaru.fr%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">shikamaru at mandriva.org
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 17:30:06 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 05:25:12PM +0200, Tux99 wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, nosXw wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>impressive, it could be a perfect fit for a cd cover when mageia gets
+released
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+Also, the fact that it&#8217;s black and white make it easy to make other
+derivatives.
+
+Regards,
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+ <B>P. Christeas</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Artwork%20-%20Mageia%20Logo%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3C201009191838.15296.p_christ%40hol.gr%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">p_christ at hol.gr
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 17:38:15 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:
+&gt;<i> Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>
+IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even childish, I would
+say.
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+--
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!
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+ <B>Anshul Jain</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure">anshulajain at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 17:38:31 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Felix Martos &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">felix.martos at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi people,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sorry but I've lost the first discussion on this topic, as I just
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribed to the list, and there are not archives yet in the mailman
+</I>&gt;<i> page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been providing hosting for Blogdrake project the last few years.
+</I>&gt;<i> And now we live in OVH's Paris datacenters (<A HREF="http://www.ovh.net">http://www.ovh.net</A>). Our
+</I>&gt;<i> las acquisition is a new server kimsufi 250G
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://www.kimsufi.com/ks/">http://www.kimsufi.com/ks/</A>) just installed with Mandriva 2010.1 and
+</I>&gt;<i> that is not in use yet. That will be the home of Blogdrake.net,
+</I>&gt;<i> Noticiasdrale.net and related projects...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What I wanted to say is that OVH is a very, very reliable, fast, and
+</I>&gt;<i> good provider. We're very happy with them, and their ranges and prices
+</I>&gt;<i> of servers are of a very good quality/price.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even, they provide mirroring for some free software projects, and
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe, as a french provider, they could be receptive to collaborate
+</I>&gt;<i> with Mageia in some way (I don't eally know, but it's just an idea).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, if you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask for help to
+</I>&gt;<i> Spanish-speaking community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hasta Pronto
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;F&#233;lix Martos Trenado
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Lawrence A Fossi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comcast.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hopefully a paypal button will appear on the mageia site soon :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----- Original Message -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: &quot;Anne nicolas&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To: &quot;mageia-discuss&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:53:10 AM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just incredible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro, forums, web
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to be able to start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of different place will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make it difficult to maintain. So it's not&#160;we don't want help or so, we are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just taking some time to start properly and in a clean way so we can have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can goes on as we saw
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some discussion on logos, design...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to start
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with servers and hosting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ I had helped set up a server in India sometime ago through Honesty
+Net Solutions (<A HREF="http://mandrivalinux.hnsdc.com">http://mandrivalinux.hnsdc.com</A>). They're very helpful
+to open-source projects and host Fedora, Ubuntu and Debian in addition
+to Mandriva. Time to get in touch with them for a Mageia mirror :)
+
+-Anshul
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+ <B>Tulum</B>
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 17:38:27 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 15:43:50 HacKurx, vous avez &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you for the initiative Mageia, I hope that this new distribution will
+</I>&gt;<i> be of type rolling release.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or if it is not the case, make a deposit up to date for the applications
+</I>&gt;<i> lighthouse as vlc, firefox etc....
+</I>&gt;<i> It will attract a great deal of user and will mark down you 700 existing
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i> Kind regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HacKurx
+</I>i really like if it could be a rolling release. My english is not so good to
+explain why. globally i'm fed up with an upgrade that can break a good
+installation.
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+ <B>Walt Frampus</B>
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+<PRE>I have been a linux user for 11 years now. I first started with redhat and
+quickly moved on to Mandrake because it was geared more to the desktop.
+ This was back in 1999. I think I have tried almost every linux distro to
+come out but always came back to mandrake/mandriva. My training is in
+computer tech, hardware, not software but I have no problem helping people
+figure out how to do something in Linux. I would love to be involved with
+this new distro right from the beginning so if the people in charge see
+this, just let me know how I can help.
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+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Tulum &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tulum at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> i really like if it could be a rolling release. My english is not so good to
+</I>&gt;<i> explain why. globally i'm fed up with an upgrade that can break a good
+</I>&gt;<i> installation.
+</I>
+Well, rolling release can also break stuff - imagine you upgrade
+something like Xorg or glibc and half of your stuff needs to be
+rebuilt, checked, updated, etc.
+
+So rolling releases are actually harder to QA and make work.
+
+Regards,
+
+Jan
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+ <B>Remy CLOUARD</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">shikamaru at mandriva.org
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:53:47AM -0400, Diego Bello wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Daniel Le Berre &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">le.berred at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 19 sept. 2010 &#224; 16:35, P. Christeas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sunday 19 September 2010, gejo wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ++
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (hope Mandriva company doesn't mind about the star)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was thinking exactly the same thing when I saw that logo.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe the star should be replaced by something related to &quot;community&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Daniel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't imagine a figure for community, but what about a moon, or half
+</I>&gt;<i> moon instead of a star?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I support this idea 100% (had the same too :-) )
+
+I think taking the moon as a base will definitely produce something good
+while keeping it simple.
+
+The advantage of this is that it&#8217;s easy to make derivatives of the logo,
+like for ubuntu with kubuntu, edubuntu.
+
+Circular shapes tend also to be popular these days, and a simple symbol
+is more catchy, I mean, take the debian spiral for instance
+
+Regards,
+--
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Tulum &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tulum at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 15:43:50 HacKurx, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thank you for the initiative Mageia, I hope that this new distribution will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be of type rolling release.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or if it is not the case, make a deposit up to date for the applications
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lighthouse as vlc, firefox etc....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It will attract a great deal of user and will mark down you 700 existing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distributions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Kind regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> HacKurx
+</I>&gt;<i> i really like if it could be a rolling release. My english is not so good to
+</I>&gt;<i> explain why. globally i'm fed up with an upgrade that can break a good
+</I>&gt;<i> installation.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
++1 to a rolling release. There could be some downsides to a rolling
+release though. While a new kernel, GNOME or KDE updates are less
+prone to breakage of the installation....but an X.org change can and
+sometimes does bring down the install.
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 16:14:24 schreef Wolfgang Bornath:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Remco Rijnders &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 09:44:50AM -0400, SinnerBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sep 19, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Maurice &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Mailing lists are a good start, but we need to get a Web Forum
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; up and running as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Yes, that would be a good move, but personally I would prefer a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; newsgroup (simply because it's more convenient), if that were
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi Maurice,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I love USENET, been on it since mid 90's. But it's dying and new Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; users do not know that it even exists.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Today web forum is the only way Mageia will be noticed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sad but true.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But one thing doesn't have to exclude the other, does it? Even though
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; having NNTP groups may not be very visible, I would be happy having them.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Perhaps even some gatewaying can be done not just between the mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; list and the newsgroups, but perhaps even to the forum boards?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Besides... despite what the popular opinion might be, you don't have to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be a rocket scientist to be on usenet! Many newsgroups have actually
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; improved in quality in recent years in my opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Kind regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Remco
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Although it's true what you say about usenet (I remember a very good
+</I>&gt;<i> time on oulm (was that correct?)) and I loved reading lots of groups
+</I>&gt;<i> with Emacs-Gnus, today the webforums are the way to go in userland as
+</I>&gt;<i> mailinglists are the preferred plattforms in devland.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the main goal should be to keep everything as centralized as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible. Announcements (to the users and the public) must be in the
+</I>&gt;<i> same place as user discussions and support. Gates from one to another
+</I>&gt;<i> platform are there but they are also sources of missing mails/postings
+</I>&gt;<i> or inconsistent discussion threads.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The chaotic way of news publishing at Mandriva (sometimes even hidden
+</I>&gt;<i> in blogs), discussions of the same topic taking place in several
+</I>&gt;<i> plattforms (see MUGs forum and mailing list) was a nightmare, let's
+</I>&gt;<i> not repeat the mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+i agree
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+ <B>Jan Ciger</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:22 PM, nosXw &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mail.nosxw at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>
+Love these!
+
+Now that would be something to have lightscribed on the CD/DVD ...
+
+Regards,
+
+Jan
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:38:27 schreef Tulum:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 15:43:50 HacKurx, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thank you for the initiative Mageia, I hope that this new distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be of type rolling release.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Or if it is not the case, make a deposit up to date for the applications
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lighthouse as vlc, firefox etc....
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It will attract a great deal of user and will mark down you 700 existing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Kind regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; HacKurx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i really like if it could be a rolling release. My english is not so good
+</I>&gt;<i> to explain why. globally i'm fed up with an upgrade that can break a good
+</I>&gt;<i> installation.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+well, imo, the way it was in mdv at the latest, is that it was more or less a
+rolling release, the online upgrades were completely painless. i would like to
+see this continued or even improved with more online upgrade testing.
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+ <B>Farfouille</B>
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+<PRE> Hi Malcer,
+
+I like the font. Maybe the tail of 'g' should be longer. But I'm not
+fond of the purpleish halo which recalls me Ubuntu.
+
+
+
+Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any ideas without repeating concepts?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings;)
+</I>&gt;<i> The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to
+</I>&gt;<i> be svg (vector graphics) to be usable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>Will urpmi be a part of mageia?
+If not then perhaps Smart will be considered as the default package handler.
+While the gui is not flashy it's powerful flexible and offers a few features that isn't available
+in the MCC implementation.
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Anssi Hannula&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt;
+To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:03:41 PM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+
+On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:59:28 William Bagwell wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+Hi!
+
+&gt;<i> Mandriva user since Mandrake 8.0. Not the least bit ashamed to admit
+</I>&gt;<i> that I administer my home box with a mixture of GUI and command line
+</I>&gt;<i> tools. Have for almost eight years now... As long as Mageia plans to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> the GUI tools I will help what little I can.
+</I>
+Yes, we will be keeping the tools. Thank you for your support :)
+
+--
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:22:24 schreef nosXw:
+&gt;<i> Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+i would like the left bottom one smaller and simplified for the start button in
+KDE.
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+<PRE>On Sunday 19 September 2010 10:46:01 Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> well, imo, the way it was in mdv at the latest, is that it was more or less
+</I>&gt;<i> a rolling release, the online upgrades were completely painless. i would
+</I>&gt;<i> like to see this continued or even improved with more online upgrade
+</I>&gt;<i> testing. _______________________________________________
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+As someone who has used rolling releases, I give a +1 to _not_ doing them.
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+ <B>Tux99</B>
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+Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that Mageia
+will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great, which IMHO
+means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+
+If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+
+
+On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Lawrence A Fossi wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Will urpmi be a part of mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> If not then perhaps Smart will be considered as the default package handler.
+</I>&gt;<i> While the gui is not flashy it's powerful flexible and offers a few features that isn't available
+</I>&gt;<i> in the MCC implementation.
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Original Message -----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;Anssi Hannula&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:03:41 PM
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:59:28 William Bagwell wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva user since Mandrake 8.0. Not the least bit ashamed to admit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that I administer my home box with a mixture of GUI and command line
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tools. Have for almost eight years now... As long as Mageia plans to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the GUI tools I will help what little I can.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, we will be keeping the tools. Thank you for your support :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>I imagine something with the magic crystal
+Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+inspiration
+
+<A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+<A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
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+The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+button etc
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+ <B>Malcer Quaid</B>
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+<PRE>Hi!
+
+I chose a font in which the &quot;g&quot; does not take prominence over the rest of the letters. I think a logo is more homogeneous.
+
+I thought the colors blue and black protagonists. Something a little more current, more flat and minimalist, like professional logos.
+
+Saludos ;)
+----- Mensaje original -----
+De: Farfouille
+Enviado: 19-09-10 17:47
+Para: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+
+Hi Malcer, I like the font. Maybe the tail of 'g' should be longer. But I'm not fond of the purpleish halo which recalls me Ubuntu. Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Tux99 a &#233;crit : &gt; On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</A> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Any ideas without repeating concepts? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Greetings;) &gt; The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to &gt; be svg (vector graphics) to be usable. &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A> &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+
+<A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
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+<PRE>On Sunday 19 September 2010 10:54:56 Tux99 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great, which IMHO
+</I>&gt;<i> means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>
+One of the best assets Mandriva had over others is the way urpmi worked. IMHO
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+ <B>Jan Ciger</B>
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 17:57:54 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great, which IMHO
+</I>&gt;<i> means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+</I>&gt;<i> many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+</I>
+That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+
+Regards,
+
+Jan
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Artwork%20-%20Mageia%20Logo%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3C201009191802.37076.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com
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+<PRE>Hi,
+Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't just
+some variation of the Mandriva star...
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> well, imo, the way it was in mdv at the latest, is that it was more or less a
+</I>&gt;<i> rolling release, the online upgrades were completely painless. i would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> see this continued or even improved with more online upgrade testing.
+</I>
+Well, that is exactly what is not a rolling release - you have a large
+freeze and QA/stabilization period before each release was made.
+Rolling release distros like Gentoo or Arch do not have a notion of
+release - just a repository of software that may or may not work
+together.
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+Regards,
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+Jan
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:54:56 schreef Tux99:
+&gt;<i> Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great, which IMHO
+</I>&gt;<i> means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+</I>&gt;<i> many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Lawrence A Fossi wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Will urpmi be a part of mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If not then perhaps Smart will be considered as the default package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; handler. While the gui is not flashy it's powerful flexible and offers a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; few features that isn't available in the MCC implementation.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ----- Original Message -----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From: &quot;Anssi Hannula&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2010 4:03:41 PM
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Saturday 18 September 2010 22:59:28 William Bagwell wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mandriva user since Mandrake 8.0. Not the least bit ashamed to admit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; that I administer my home box with a mixture of GUI and command line
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; tools. Have for almost eight years now... As long as Mageia plans to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; keep the GUI tools I will help what little I can.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, we will be keeping the tools. Thank you for your support :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+
+i agree, they work, are great, and people know these to be good, we need a MCC
+with everything on it.
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+some of those are a bit dated, and we could clean up some of the code, but i
+want to keep those.
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+i do plan for some modifications to make installing with network-related
+storage easier, but that's another thing.
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even childish, I
+</I>&gt;<i> would
+</I>&gt;<i> say.
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+<PRE>On Sunday 19 September 2010, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:53:47AM -0400, Diego Bello wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can't imagine a figure for community, but what about a moon, or half
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; moon instead of a star?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I think taking the moon as a base will definitely produce something good
+</I>&gt;<i> while keeping it simple.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Voting against: the half/empty moon is a flag symbol for several muslim
+countries. We shouldn't mess with politics.
+For a full moon, we should consider if it is used anywhere else already.
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+<PRE>On dimanche 19 septembre 2010 at 17:57, Jan Ciger wrote :
+&gt;<i> That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+</I>&gt;<i> think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+</I>
+I agree, I think urpmi is only second to debian's apt, and only for a tiny
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+<PRE>Very cool!!!
+
+2010/9/19 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> just
+</I>&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> just
+</I>&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>
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+ <B>David V. Wallin</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org">david at ngweb.se
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 18:14:57 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hello everyone,
+
+I'm the force behind the Swedish Mandriva Community
+(<A HREF="http://mandriva-se.org">http://mandriva-se.org</A>) which has grown quite fast since we started the
+site 619 days ago. The other day some of the users announced that they
+were moving from Mandriva to Linux Mint since the future of Mandriva is
+so uncertain. A day or two later someone announced that they found
+Mageia and that they were hoping to continue using Mandriva but in the
+form of Mageia.
+
+Because of this i've published a poll about weither to migrate
+Mandriva-se.org to Mageia-se.org or to just start Mageia-se.org as a new
+website meant to act as the Swedish community-site for Mageia.
+
+No matter which alternative the users pick there will be a Mageia-se.org
+so that Swedish users can discuss Mageia.
+
+I therefor ask to be put on the list on your website so that the users
+of Mandriva-se.org can see that i'm serious in supporting this new
+Mandriva fork and that they can feel comfortable in switching from
+Mandriva to Mageia when it gets ready for that.
+
+--
+
+---
+David V. Wallin
++46 (0)8 41 00 39 82
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</A>
+
+
+---
+
+Vi f&#246;rs&#246;ker st&#228;ndigt f&#246;rb&#228;ttra oss och ber er d&#228;rf&#246;r om 1 minut f&#246;r att
+l&#228;mna ditt omd&#246;mme:
+<A HREF="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</A>
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+ <B>Felix Martos</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Artwork%20-%20Mageia%20Logo%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3D7WbMC3ytqD7ohuejgwi%3DZQhM6ZVUeD7pqkvkY%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>I really love it! The idea is great, and maybe a dark shape of a
+penguin inside would make it looke like a very good logo
+
+
+Hasta Pronto
+
+--
+&#160;F&#233;lix Martos Trenado
+
+
+
+
+2010/9/19 Drakedalfa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">drakedalfa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like it too
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:57:54 schreef Jan Ciger:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great, which IMHO
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+</I>&gt;<i> think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jan
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+it is the best package manager. however everything can improve and i am having
+some small improvement ideas, but those are for a later time.
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't just
+</I>&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>
++1. May be some improvement could be done, but it's great: nice and
+simple enough.
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+--
+Si se busca el triunfo como sea, se vive el drama de tener que ganar.
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 18:00:15 schreef Jan Ciger:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well, imo, the way it was in mdv at the latest, is that it was more or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; less a rolling release, the online upgrades were completely painless. i
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would like to see this continued or even improved with more online
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upgrade testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that is exactly what is not a rolling release - you have a large
+</I>&gt;<i> freeze and QA/stabilization period before each release was made.
+</I>&gt;<i> Rolling release distros like Gentoo or Arch do not have a notion of
+</I>&gt;<i> release - just a repository of software that may or may not work
+</I>&gt;<i> together.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jan
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+then i vote against it.
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 18:00:15 schreef Jan Ciger:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; well, imo, the way it was in mdv at the latest, is that it was more or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; less a rolling release, the online upgrades were completely painless. i
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would like to see this continued or even improved with more online
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upgrade testing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that is exactly what is not a rolling release - you have a large
+</I>&gt;<i> freeze and QA/stabilization period before each release was made.
+</I>&gt;<i> Rolling release distros like Gentoo or Arch do not have a notion of
+</I>&gt;<i> release - just a repository of software that may or may not work
+</I>&gt;<i> together.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jan
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+forgot to add that stability is of greater importance to me, so i prefer
+releases and security upgrades and possibly backports
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+ <B>Moreau Serge</B>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 17:55:03, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> button etc
+</I>
+ I agree, that is a good idea which can easiky be declined in various contexts
+--
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+<PRE>Very nice artwork! :)
+-----Original Message-----
+From: Moreau Serge &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">serge.moreau at wanadoo.fr</A>&gt;
+Sender: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+Date: Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:18:08
+To: Mageia general discussions&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Reply-To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+
+Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 17:55:03, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> button etc
+</I>
+ I agree, that is a good idea which can easiky be declined in various contexts
+--
+
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 18:17, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 19 september 2010 18:00:15 schreef Jan Ciger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> well, imo, the way it was in mdv at the latest, is that it was more or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> less a rolling release, the online upgrades were completely painless. i
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would like to see this continued or even improved with more online
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> upgrade testing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, that is exactly what is not a rolling release - you have a large
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> freeze and QA/stabilization period before each release was made.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Rolling release distros like Gentoo or Arch do not have a notion of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release - just a repository of software that may or may not work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> together.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> forgot to add that stability is of greater importance to me, so i prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> releases and security upgrades and possibly backports
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+ <B>Vinet Rapha&#235;l</B>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 17:55:03 Dimitrios Glentadakis, vous avez &#233;crit
+:<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> button etc
+</I>
+very nice !
+not same at all with mandriva, style, colours, modern, ... i vote for these
+(probably the 1st in my preferred) or similar ones :-)
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 18:14, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:57:54 schreef Jan Ciger:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great, which IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it is the best package manager. however everything can improve and i am having
+</I>&gt;<i> some small improvement ideas, but those are for a later time.
+</I>
+urpmi is the main reason why I kept using Mandrake/Mandriva for 12 years
+(started using Linux 17 years ago).
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+One small thing regarding updates:
+closing first thunderbird or firefox before updating them if they are
+active would avoid the user to have to kill those processes by hand
+afterward :)
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+<PRE>On Sunday, September 19, 2010 05:53:10 am Anne nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just
+</I>&gt;<i> incredible
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro, forums, web
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to be able to
+</I>&gt;<i> start with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of different
+</I>&gt;<i> place will make it difficult to maintain. So it's not we don't want help
+</I>&gt;<i> or so, we are just taking some time to start properly and in a clean way
+</I>&gt;<i> so we can have all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can
+</I>&gt;<i> goes on as we saw some discussion on logos, design...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to start
+</I>&gt;<i> with servers and hosting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>Ann, maybe this is asking too much now (could be in the future), do you plan a
+none profit company in US so donations will be tax deductible?
+
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+<PRE>Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:14:43 +0200
+Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:57:54 schreef Jan Ciger:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great, which IMHO
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jan
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it is the best package manager. however everything can improve and i am having
+</I>&gt;<i> some small improvement ideas, but those are for a later time.
+</I>
+Like downgrading packages as smart can do it ?
+
+--
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+I just created the following accounts, to avoid cyber-squatting:
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">MageiaLinux at gmail.com</A>
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">MageiaLinux at yahoo.com</A> (with associated Mageia Linux Flickr account)
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+Salut,
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+<PRE>On Sep 19, 2010, at 11:57 AM, Jan Ciger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jan.ciger at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great, which IMHO
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+</I>&gt;<i> think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jan
+</I>
+URPMI is the best collections of rpm tools.
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+Salut,
+Sinner
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+<PRE> I like it too. Maybe instead a translucent penguin on the inside,
+almost like a subliminal picture of a penguin.
+
+Marc
+
+Le 2010-09-19 12:14, Felix Martos a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I really love it! The idea is great, and maybe a dark shape of a
+</I>&gt;<i> penguin inside would make it looke like a very good logo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hasta Pronto
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> F&#233;lix Martos Trenado
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Drakedalfa&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">drakedalfa at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Oliver Burger&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like it too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">andresalaun at aliceadsl.fr
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 18:32:48 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:02:36 +0200
+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't just
+</I>&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>Me too.
+--
+A.Sala&#252;n
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+ <B>herman</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org">herman at aeronetworks.ca
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 18:33:24 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 06:27 -0700, Harijs Buss wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Pardon my &quot;politically incorrect&quot; questions, but nevertheless:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Is Mageia just a publicity stunt to generate some more users for
+</I>&gt;<i> the same Mandriva, as it might be understood from your letter?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Mageia is a fork of Mandriva, so initially, it will be exactly the same.
+Therefore advising new users to download the Mandriva distribution will
+preserve them until the fork takes on a life of its own. It is exactly
+the same situation as when Xorg forked from X.
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Packaging%20games%20%28Was%3A%20IMPORTANT%20POINTS%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201009191840.45674.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 18:40:45 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On dimanche 19 septembre 2010 at 13:19, Maarten Vanraes wrote :
+&gt;<i> in my pov games are an important element of the targeted public.
+</I>
+I agree, games are an important part of the experience people expect from
+their computer (even I, being a geek and programmer, agree with that,
+although I have too few spare time for that ;-) ).
+
+And there are now many great free (either as in beer or speach) games for
+Linux that should be promoted. (I see frequently announces for such games on
+linuxfr.org).
+
+But maybe all those big games should be placed in their own, separate
+repository, so that people using the distribution for work (like
+enterprises) could easily mirror the main repository but skipping that one
+(which could quickly weight tens of GiB with all those great games available
+out there).
+Just like it is already done with the non-free repository for those who want
+only a really free OS.
+
+Just a personal thought.
+
+Cheers
+--
+Renaud Michel
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+ <B>Dale Huckeby</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Artwork%20-%20Mageia%20Logo%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3Calpine.LMD.2.00.1009191129290.18709%40astro.scholar.athome%3E"
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+<PRE>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, nosXw wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+Not bad but lettering should be less curly and Gnu-Linux should be right side up. (I understand that outside edge
+of circle is &quot;up&quot; but it works better if it's just readable without rotating the circle.)
+
+Dale Huckeby
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Packaging%20games%20%28Was%3A%20IMPORTANT%20POINTS%29&In-Reply-To=%3C201009191853.34523.oliver.bgr%40googlemail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com
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+<PRE>Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> I agree, games are an important part of the experience people expect from
+</I>&gt;<i> their computer (even I, being a geek and programmer, agree with that,
+</I>&gt;<i> although I have too few spare time for that ;-) ).
+</I>Perhaps I could help, packaging some of them. I already have a few game
+packages in the mandrivauser.de repo. Those could be easily rebuilt for the
+coming mageia repos.
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+<PRE>Hi all,
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+As soon we'll have a kind of infrastructure and making the distribution
+will start we'll need a way to distribute it.
+So to be ready as soon as possible I start here a discuss about the
+mirror management and will make some suggestion.
+
+Nothing is done at time, so feel free to comment.
+
+1) The mirror content:
+- distribution
+ - devel one
+ - stable one
+
+is there enything else (patch, our own applications as source,
+documentation as flat html file) ?
+
+We also have to define the rules making a mirror valid and avoid
+differences between them.
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+2) The logical mirroring process
+
+The proposal is to have a safe and access limited rsync server
+containing the tree (rsync.mageia.org ?). Mirroring from this one can
+only be done after being authorized by our team.
+
+At second level, rsync'd from this safe server some referenced servers
+open to the world for all other mirrors (distrib-coffee could be one of
+them). The manager of these servers must be reachable, then we need to
+know them.
+
+So at the end all others mirrors from where everyone can fetch the
+distribution, and anyone could freely setup a such mirror.
+
+3) Listing mirrors
+
+I do think registering mirrors could be done by anyone, once the mirror
+is availlable.
+
+So i suggest to have a web application to allow mirror registration.
+After submission a post process could verify the URL validity and if
+everything is ok the new mirror would appear in official list.
+
+The main point of this idea is to not force mirrors admin to registering
+on any bug tracker or anything else.
+
+The second goal of such application is of course to monitor them and
+alert when they are down or out of sync.
+
+
+Feel free to comment. I'll be carrefully reading this thread !
+
+Regards.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+ <B>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Packaging%20games%20%28Was%3A%20IMPORTANT%20POINTS%29&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DNDMsUSqFgKUaR8W7nCWtmosT5qqq05f7z3WAw%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>Maybe the distribution could include a few casual games (such as board
+games, cards, etc), and have the big games in the repository, I'm also
+willing to help packaging games as this was one of the things I used
+to do packages for.
+
+Regards,
+Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Oliver Burger
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree, games are an important part of the experience people expect from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their computer (even I, being a geek and programmer, agree with that,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> although I have too few spare time for that ;-) ).
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps I could help, packaging some of them. I already have a few game
+</I>&gt;<i> packages in the mandrivauser.de repo. Those could be easily rebuilt for the
+</I>&gt;<i> coming mageia repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <B>Bart Simons</B>
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+<PRE>On 19-09-10 18:02, Oliver Burger wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't just
+</I>&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1 and: the crystal ball doesn't need flames
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+ <B>Ciprian Stoica</B>
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+<PRE>+1 on this.
+
+It seems to speak everything the name makes you think.
+
+On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:02 +0200, &quot;Oliver Burger&quot;
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> just
+</I>&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>--
+ Ciprian Stoica
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+ <B>Dale Huckeby</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Oliver Burger wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't just
+</I>&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+I like it! This is the first logo that has really grabbed me. Looks modern and not dorky as some of the past
+and present designs do.
+
+Dale Huckeby
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+ <B>Dale Huckeby</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Felix Martos wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I really love it! The idea is great, and maybe a dark shape of a
+</I>&gt;<i> penguin inside would make it looke like a very good logo
+</I>
+Penguin images are cute and cuddly but are precisely what have made past logos look dorky. I like the
+image just as it is. It evokes the idea of magic without looking silly. Really good design.
+
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 12:40, Renaud MICHEL a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On dimanche 19 septembre 2010 at 13:19, Maarten Vanraes wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in my pov games are an important element of the targeted public.
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree, games are an important part of the experience people expect from
+</I>&gt;<i> their computer (even I, being a geek and programmer, agree with that,
+</I>&gt;<i> although I have too few spare time for that ;-) ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And there are now many great free (either as in beer or speach) games for
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux that should be promoted. (I see frequently announces for such games on
+</I>&gt;<i> linuxfr.org).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe all those big games should be placed in their own, separate
+</I>&gt;<i> repository, so that people using the distribution for work (like
+</I>&gt;<i> enterprises) could easily mirror the main repository but skipping that one
+</I>&gt;<i> (which could quickly weight tens of GiB with all those great games available
+</I>&gt;<i> out there).
+</I>&gt;<i> Just like it is already done with the non-free repository for those who want
+</I>&gt;<i> only a really free OS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a personal thought.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>I agree. The Mdv systems I have installed, the owners would not have
+been interested in games and most are using it for work purposes (from
+their homes). I agree also that the most basic of games should still be
+included (the ones installed from Mandriva are fine) and a separate repo
+for the games be made available.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+<PRE>I like the concept very much!
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> button etc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+<PRE>A lower case 'm' too?
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I chose a font in which the &quot;g&quot; does not take prominence over the rest of
+</I>&gt;<i> the letters. I think a logo is more homogeneous.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought the colors blue and black protagonists. Something a little more
+</I>&gt;<i> current, more flat and minimalist, like professional logos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Saludos ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> De: Farfouille
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Enviado: 19-09-10 17:47
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Para: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Malcer, I like the font. Maybe the tail of 'g' should be longer. But I'm not fond of the purpleish halo which recalls me Ubuntu. Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Tux99 a &#233;crit : &gt; On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote: &gt; &gt;&gt; This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</A> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro. &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Any ideas without repeating concepts? &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; Greetings;) &gt; The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to &gt; be svg (vector graphics) to be usable. &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A> &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Malcer
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+ <B>Matthew Dawkins</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia">mattydaw at gmail.com
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Olivier Thauvin &lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As soon we'll have a kind of infrastructure and making the distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> will start we'll need a way to distribute it.
+</I>&gt;<i> So to be ready as soon as possible I start here a discuss about the
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror management and will make some suggestion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing is done at time, so feel free to comment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) The mirror content:
+</I>&gt;<i> - distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> - devel one
+</I>&gt;<i> - stable one
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is there enything else (patch, our own applications as source,
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation as flat html file) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We also have to define the rules making a mirror valid and avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> differences between them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) The logical mirroring process
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The proposal is to have a safe and access limited rsync server
+</I>&gt;<i> containing the tree (rsync.mageia.org ?). Mirroring from this one can
+</I>&gt;<i> only be done after being authorized by our team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At second level, rsync'd from this safe server some referenced servers
+</I>&gt;<i> open to the world for all other mirrors (distrib-coffee could be one of
+</I>&gt;<i> them). The manager of these servers must be reachable, then we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> know them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So at the end all others mirrors from where everyone can fetch the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution, and anyone could freely setup a such mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) Listing mirrors
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do think registering mirrors could be done by anyone, once the mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> is availlable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So i suggest to have a web application to allow mirror registration.
+</I>&gt;<i> After submission a post process could verify the URL validity and if
+</I>&gt;<i> everything is ok the new mirror would appear in official list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The main point of this idea is to not force mirrors admin to registering
+</I>&gt;<i> on any bug tracker or anything else.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The second goal of such application is of course to monitor them and
+</I>&gt;<i> alert when they are down or out of sync.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Feel free to comment. I'll be carrefully reading this thread !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS - LATMOS
+</I>&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
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+Idk if this is of any interest to you guys, but at Unity Linux we have a
+devel server central to everything that syncs with ibiblio thru a series of
+scripts. Then we have ~20 other sites that rsync with ibiblio on a regular
+basis. Ibiblio is a great mirror to use b/c by default there are already
+several other sites mirroring it.
+
+Then we have a mirror monitoring system that reports the status of the
+mirrors.
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+ <B>Filipe Saraiva</B>
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+<PRE>In my opinion, in terms of logo, gejo's art (
+<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>) is very cool.
+Others arts could be the wallpaper or others artistics elements of
+distribution.
+
+2010/9/19 Dale Huckeby &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Felix Martos wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I really love it! The idea is great, and maybe a dark shape of a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> penguin inside would make it looke like a very good logo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Penguin images are cute and cuddly but are precisely what have made past
+</I>&gt;<i> logos look dorky. I like the
+</I>&gt;<i> image just as it is. It evokes the idea of magic without looking silly.
+</I>&gt;<i> Really good design.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>I like the second most, has more 3d in it, and the lightning bolts are so
+dynamic.
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't
+</I>&gt;<i> just
+</I>&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+ <B>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">pierre-malo.denielou at inria.fr
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 16:55,Dimitrios Glentadakis nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>
+The concept is great ...
+
+... but we should be careful about this particular orb:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.15800.html">http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.15800.html</A>
+
+Google also finds many orb logos that we can avoid :-).
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+--
+Malo
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+ <B>Jean Peyratout</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">jean.peyratout at abul.org
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 19:18, Dale Huckeby a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Malcer wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ./. I like the image just as it is. It evokes the idea of
+</I>&gt;<i> magic without looking silly. Really good design.
+</I>
++ 1
+
+Fair wizardry, no fear...
+The simplest the best, thanks to Malcer.
+
+Cheers,
+--
+Jean Peyratout - Scideralle : <A HREF="http://scideralle.org">http://scideralle.org</A>
+courriel : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jean.peyratout at abul.org</A> - t&#233;l. +33 682.059.918
+GPG : FAF4 46FB 9CD9 4772 80E3 6E63 C529 305E 5A49 F04E
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 13:14, Maurice a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 2010-09-19 at 14:44 Sinner said:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I love USENET, been on it since mid 90's. But it's dying
+</I>&gt;<i> There's no sign of that among the many newsgroups that I
+</I>&gt;<i> follow, and that includes a very active and priceless Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> newsgroup, as well as e.g. SuSE, and other non-Linux groups.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's so much more convenient to follow and respond to new
+</I>&gt;<i> postings, compared with web fora - given a good newsreader app.
+</I>I teach at a school board and advise on the IT team committee, on that
+committee very few members know what Usenet is all about; none of the
+teachers at my elementary school know about Usenet (never heard of it!);
+my two sons, one at University 3rd year and the other grade 7, both have
+never used Usenet nor can they come up with a single person they know
+who use Usenet. I publish an online music magazine and get feeds from
+20-30 groups all mailists (deluged with mail) and the couple of music
+related Usenet groups may post only 2-3 messages every 3-4 months; I
+participate on a couple of developer groups (software) and they do not
+use Usenet but mailists; and the list goes on ....
+
+I am also on the Mandriva news group and considering the amount of
+people who use Mandriva, very few seem to make use of the group, and in
+contrast, the Mandriva forums were pretty active and the official
+reps/moderators were at least there to listen and respond. I don't
+believe that any Mandriva rep. was ever on the news group or if they
+were, they were not too visible.
+
+In my opinion, a usenet group would be a nice perk but could also strain
+the Mageia group resources too thin.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 15:22:03, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; Will donations also be used to keep the former Edge-IT team focused on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not fixed for now. We have to speak about this. But it can be an
+</I>&gt;<i> option.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Could we participate on discussion, simply by sending our ideas about ? (not
+discuss directly, but give ideas)
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+ <B>Nuno Pinheiro</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">nuno at oxygen-icons.org
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 18:56:30 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>wanted to present my idea, somthing fastly made today
+
+<A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png
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+well the idea is very simple and revolves around the fonts, and its outline
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+so for exmaple in a educational stand point would be somthing like the
+colorfull version on the banner
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+on a buisness like presentation a gray solid color
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+on a desktop version plain blue etc etc...
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+please cc me :)
+--
+oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 19:25:31, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 16:55,Dimitrios Glentadakis nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The concept is great ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ... but we should be careful about this particular orb:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.15800.html">http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.15800.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Google also finds many orb logos that we can avoid :-).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Wow. Indeed that logo can't be taken as is !
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 13:25, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 16:55,Dimitrios Glentadakis nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> The concept is great ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ... but we should be careful about this particular orb:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.15800.html">http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.15800.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Google also finds many orb logos that we can avoid :-).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks for pointing this out. It is so important to avoid these
+situations without clear copyright ownership. Let's all not forget the
+Mandrake-Mandriva change of names.
+
+I remove my vote for this logo for obvious reasons, unless the copyright
+is clearly set straight.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+<A HREF="http://psd.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tutorials-effects/create-a-magic-crystal-ball/">http://psd.tutsplus.com/tutorials/tutorials-effects/create-a-magic-crystal-ball/</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 2010-09-19 at 14:33 I said:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Some are cutting costs, but there are still several (free) NNTP
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+ <B>VARVOU Jean Michel</B>
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+<PRE> Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in
+</I>&gt;<i> kmenu button etc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>The first picture is magic !! I like this.
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+<PRE>* Matthew Dawkins (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mattydaw at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Olivier Thauvin &lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Idk if this is of any interest to you guys, but at Unity Linux we have a
+</I>&gt;<i> devel server central to everything that syncs with ibiblio thru a series of
+</I>&gt;<i> scripts. Then we have ~20 other sites that rsync with ibiblio on a regular
+</I>&gt;<i> basis. Ibiblio is a great mirror to use b/c by default there are already
+</I>&gt;<i> several other sites mirroring it.
+</I>
+I keep a note of this, it could a way to immediatly have a propagation.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we have a mirror monitoring system that reports the status of the
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html">http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html</A>
+</I>
+By the way, you can add:
+
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/unity/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/unity/</A>
+<A HREF="ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/unity/">ftp://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/unity/</A>
+<A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/unity/">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/unity/</A>
+
+But this is out of topic here :)
+
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+<PRE>I still like the design. Even if we can't take this one (as I see, we can't).
+I think it's going into the right direction.
+
+Oliver
+
+Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-19 13:25, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 19/09/2010 16:55,Dimitrios Glentadakis nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The concept is great ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ... but we should be careful about this particular orb:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.">http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 15800.html
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Google also finds many orb logos that we can avoid :-).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for pointing this out. It is so important to avoid these
+</I>&gt;<i> situations without clear copyright ownership. Let's all not forget the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandrake-Mandriva change of names.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I remove my vote for this logo for obvious reasons, unless the copyright
+</I>&gt;<i> is clearly set straight.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
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+&gt;<i> well the Mageia lists have been submitted to Gmane,
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+ Hurray! I am registered with Gmane...
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+ <B>Filipe Saraiva</B>
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+<PRE>Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!
+Beautiful concept for website.
+<A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</A>
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+2010/9/19 VARVOU Jean Michel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeanmichel.varvou at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> button etc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.orghttps</A>://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first picture is magic !! I like this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>
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+--
+Filipe Saraiva
+**************************************
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+&gt;<i> I teach at a school board and advise on the IT team committee,
+</I>&gt;<i> on that committee very few members know what Usenet is all
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+An ideal place for some education on Usenet, then?!
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+<PRE>On Sep 19, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-19 12:40, Renaud MICHEL a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On dimanche 19 septembre 2010 at 13:19, Maarten Vanraes wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in my pov games are an important element of the targeted public.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree, games are an important part of the experience people expect from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their computer (even I, being a geek and programmer, agree with that,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> although I have too few spare time for that ;-) ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And there are now many great free (either as in beer or speach) games for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux that should be promoted. (I see frequently announces for such games on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> linuxfr.org).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But maybe all those big games should be placed in their own, separate
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repository, so that people using the distribution for work (like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> enterprises) could easily mirror the main repository but skipping that one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (which could quickly weight tens of GiB with all those great games available
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out there).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just like it is already done with the non-free repository for those who want
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only a really free OS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just a personal thought.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree. The Mdv systems I have installed, the owners would not have been interested in games and most are using it for work purposes (from their homes). I agree also that the most basic of games should still be included (the ones installed from Mandriva are fine) and a separate repo for the games be made available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+At BlogDrake, we have a successful Games area (juegos)
+
+<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/documentacion/juegosdrake">http://blogdrake.net/documentacion/juegosdrake</A>
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+<PRE>On 2010-09-19 at 18:38 Marc said:
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+&gt;<i> I am also on the Mandriva news group and considering the
+</I>&gt;<i> amount of people who use Mandriva, very few seem to make use
+</I>&gt;<i> of the group, and in contrast, the Mandriva forums were
+</I>&gt;<i> pretty active
+</I>
+ I tried following the Mandriva fora but found they were a
+sprawl - unfocussed and impersonal compared with the newsgroup,
+which has helped solve all my problems.
+ Indeed, were it not for that excellent newsgroup, I would
+probably have abandoned Mandriva long ago...
+
+&gt;<i> and the official reps/moderators were at least
+</I>&gt;<i> there to listen and respond. I don't believe that any
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva rep. was ever on the news group
+</I>
+ True - they were sheltering in the Mandriva fora!
+--
+/\/\aurice
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia greek community">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 20:21:30 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On 19 September 2010 07:31, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> The url <A HREF="http://www.mageia-gr.org">http://www.mageia-gr.org</A> from now points to mandrivalinux.gr and
+</I>&gt;<i> will be the internet address of Mageia greek community
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+Great news!
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On Sep 19, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Matthew Dawkins &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mattydaw at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As soon we'll have a kind of infrastructure and making the distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> will start we'll need a way to distribute it.
+</I>&gt;<i> So to be ready as soon as possible I start here a discuss about the
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror management and will make some suggestion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing is done at time, so feel free to comment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) The mirror content:
+</I>&gt;<i> - distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> - devel one
+</I>&gt;<i> - stable one
+</I>&gt;<i> Idk if this is of any interest to you guys, but at Unity Linux we have a devel server central to everything that syncs with ibiblio thru a series of scripts. Then we have ~20 other sites that rsync with ibiblio on a regular basis. Ibiblio is a great mirror to use b/c by default there are already several other sites mirroring it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we have a mirror monitoring system that reports the status of the mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html">http://unity-linux.org/mm/mirrorstatus.html</A>
+</I>
++1 to ibiblio.
+
+Does anyone have a contact with ibiblio?
+
+I used to know some guys in there, a few years ago. I still have a shell account in there.
+
+So if we have no current contacts, I can try to find someone at ibiblio.
+
+Salut,
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>I could never made by myself a graphic with this quality
+i'm sorry if you thought that but as i said i am not good to make graphics,
+i only wanted to give an inspiration about the magic crystal as theme.
+
+I'd like to add as text in the graphics this which we see in the irc:
+&quot;...the magic continues !&quot;
+
+
+
+2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!
+</I>&gt;<i> Beautiful concept for website.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 VARVOU Jean Michel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeanmichel.varvou at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> button etc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.orghttps</A>://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The first picture is magic !! I like this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Filipe Saraiva
+</I>&gt;<i> **************************************
+</I>&gt;<i> Meu blog: <A HREF="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Associa&#231;&#227;o Piauiense de Software Livre
+</I>&gt;<i> Projeto Software Livre - Piau&#237; - PSL-PI
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8220;Voc&#234; deve ser a mudan&#231;a que deseja ver no mundo.&#8221; - Gandhi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 06:54:28PM +0200, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Feel free to comment. I'll be carrefully reading this thread !
+</I>
+The following is pretty interesting:
+<A HREF="http://mirrorbrain.org/">http://mirrorbrain.org/</A>
+
+The server you run this from should have a good connection though. It
+automatically monitors the mirrors for freshness, and only redirects if
+the files are available. Small files can be configured to be served
+directly from the main machine.
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+ <B>Malcer Quaid</B>
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+<PRE>OMG!! It's a great mockup! :O
+
+Thanks Nuno ;)
+
+----- Mensaje original -----
+De: Nuno Pinheiro
+Enviado: 19-09-10 18:56
+Para: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Asunto: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+
+wanted to present my idea, somthing fastly made today <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png well the idea is very simple and revolves around the fonts, and its outline so for exmaple in a educational stand point would be somthing like the colorfull version on the banner on a buisness like presentation a gray solid color on a desktop version plain blue etc etc... please cc me :) -- oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+
+<A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
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+<PRE>On Sep 19, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!
+</I>&gt;<i> Beautiful concept for website.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</A>
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+Most excellent *original* artwork!!!
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 18:30:07 schreef Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n:
+&gt;<i> Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:14:43 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:57:54 schreef Jan Ciger:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; which IMHO means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Jan
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is the best package manager. however everything can improve and i am
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; having some small improvement ideas, but those are for a later time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like downgrading packages as smart can do it ?
+</I>
+urpmi can do that too
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+<PRE>On Sep 19, 2010, at 1:48 PM, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tmb at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Maurice skrev 19.9.2010 20:17:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 2010-09-19 at 14:33 I said:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately, ISP's are in the habit of dropping Usenet
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> access these days.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some are cutting costs, but there are still several (free) NNTP
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> servers available, including my ISP's.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well the Mageia lists have been submitted to Gmane, so they will be accessible through nntp.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And since Gmane has the ML &lt;-&gt; NNTP bridge covered, you can post wich ever way you want.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Awesome!
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+Salut,
+Sinner
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+ <B>Bersuit Vera</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!
+</I>&gt;<i> Beautiful concept for website.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Bersuit
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">patrick.2 at laposte.net
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+<PRE>Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 15:04:25 -0300,
+Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Great Nuno Pinheiro, the KDE Oxygen guy!
+</I>&gt;<i> Beautiful concept for website.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png</A>
+</I>
+ Nice ;)
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+--
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+envoye depuis le monde libre ...
+par un Pc sous Mandriva 2011.0 ( cooker ) !
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+ <B>Jean Peyratout</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">jean.peyratout at abul.org
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 19:25, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> The concept is great ...
+</I>&gt;<i> ... but we should be careful about this particular orb:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.15800.html">http://www.webdesign.org/photoshop/drawing-techniques/create-a-magic-orb.15800.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Google also finds many orb logos that we can avoid :-).
+</I>
+Ouch. Thanks for watchfulness !
+
+
+--
+Jean Peyratout - Scideralle : <A HREF="http://scideralle.org">http://scideralle.org</A>
+courriel : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jean.peyratout at abul.org</A> - t&#233;l. +33 682.059.918
+GPG : FAF4 46FB 9CD9 4772 80E3 6E63 C529 305E 5A49 F04E
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+ <B>Alaa Elian</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Artwork%20-%20Mageia%20Logo%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTim6prORSmQePj1FQKSu3a5Vk0my0Vh_VSno3P%2B-%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">alaaelian at gmail.com
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+<PRE>What about a logo of a magic wand. I use the following link just as a demo
+<A HREF="http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg">http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg</A>
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">isis2000 at gmail.com
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+<PRE>Not my choice, sorry.
+
+2010/9/19 Alaa Elian &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">alaaelian at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> What about a logo of a magic wand. I use the following link just as a demo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg">http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+--
+Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.
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+ <B>Lawrence A Fossi</B>
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+<PRE>I want to be clear I wasn't suggesting replacing urpmi..more of a concern that one or more of the dev's onboard can maintain/improve on it over time. :) and was offing a possible alternative if not.
+Once Mageia is rolling along I'd like to see some enhancements for the gui in the mcc like Smart offers.. downgrading, locking packages, the ability
+to see the other packages(even if older) not just the current and possible upgrade. I know you can hunt down the urpmi skip list and edit it manually
+or downgrade through the cli but neither is beginner friendly.. Also the information in easy to read tabs you can see the full dependencies, what if replaces what it needs.. Again that info is retrievable from the cli...gui not so much.
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 1:29:01 PM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+
+Op zondag 19 september 2010 18:30:07 schreef Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n:
+&gt;<i> Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:14:43 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:57:54 schreef Jan Ciger:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; which IMHO means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Jan
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is the best package manager. however everything can improve and i am
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; having some small improvement ideas, but those are for a later time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like downgrading packages as smart can do it ?
+</I>
+urpmi can do that too
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 18:29:22, SinnerBOFH a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just created the following accounts, to avoid cyber-squatting:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">MageiaLinux at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">MageiaLinux at yahoo.com</A> (with associated Mageia Linux Flickr account)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">MageiaLinux at Hotmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+Just remember, there is no &quot;Mageia Linux&quot;, the project is just &quot;Mageia&quot; ;)
+
+Fredxx
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+ <B>Nuno Pinheiro</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Artwork%20-%20Mageia%20Logo%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3C201009191852.01406.nuno%40oxygen-icons.org%3E"
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+<PRE>second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example
+usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a
+container of anything
+<A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png
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+
+2010/9/19 Nuno Pinheiro &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nuno at oxygen-icons.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example
+</I>&gt;<i> usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> container of anything
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please cc me :)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;
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+Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.
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+ <B>Malcer Quaid</B>
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+
+----- Mensaje original -----
+De: Nuno Pinheiro
+Enviado: 19-09-10 19:52
+Para: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Asunto: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+
+second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a container of anything <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png please cc me :) -- oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
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+ <B>Tux99</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Alaa Elian wrote:
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+&gt;<i> What about a logo of a magic wand. I use the following link just as a demo
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg">http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg</A>
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+That's similar to the one I created and posted earlier:
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxtech.net/files/mageia-logo-draft1.jpg">http://www.linuxtech.net/files/mageia-logo-draft1.jpg</A>
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 20:49:14 schreef Lawrence A Fossi:
+&gt;<i> I want to be clear I wasn't suggesting replacing urpmi..more of a concern
+</I>&gt;<i> that one or more of the dev's onboard can maintain/improve on it over
+</I>&gt;<i> time. :) and was offing a possible alternative if not. Once Mageia is
+</I>&gt;<i> rolling along I'd like to see some enhancements for the gui in the mcc
+</I>&gt;<i> like Smart offers.. downgrading, locking packages, the ability to see the
+</I>&gt;<i> other packages(even if older) not just the current and possible upgrade. I
+</I>&gt;<i> know you can hunt down the urpmi skip list and edit it manually or
+</I>&gt;<i> downgrade through the cli but neither is beginner friendly.. Also the
+</I>&gt;<i> information in easy to read tabs you can see the full dependencies, what
+</I>&gt;<i> if replaces what it needs.. Again that info is retrievable from the
+</I>&gt;<i> cli...gui not so much. ----- Original Message -----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;Maarten Vanraes&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 1:29:01 PM
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Op zondag 19 september 2010 18:30:07 schreef Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:14:43 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:57:54 schreef Jan Ciger:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; which IMHO means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; alienate many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mandriva userbase.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Jan
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it is the best package manager. however everything can improve and i am
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; having some small improvement ideas, but those are for a later time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Like downgrading packages as smart can do it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi can do that too
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+it's an idea; but don't forget, tv is also on the list of people with us...
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Website software">superfox436 at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 21:15:15 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS's on the
+IRC channel, I thought I'd bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot;
+manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on
+the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making
+communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light.
+So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?
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+<PRE>Mageia accounts were already taken :(
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+
+On Sep 19, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredux86 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 18:29:22, SinnerBOFH a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just created the following accounts, to avoid cyber-squatting:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">MageiaLinux at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">MageiaLinux at yahoo.com</A> (with associated Mageia Linux Flickr account)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">MageiaLinux at Hotmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just remember, there is no &quot;Mageia Linux&quot;, the project is just &quot;Mageia&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fredxx
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>Guys and girls, just decided, and who want to help do your part. Will
+certainly have people who prefer Wordpress or Drupal, but is not going to
+discuss it forever. List the advantages and disadvantages of each and picks
+the one that best meets our needs.
+
+2010/9/19 Lirodon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">superfox436 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS's on the
+</I>&gt;<i> IRC channel, I thought I'd bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on
+</I>&gt;<i> the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making
+</I>&gt;<i> communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shawn
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Filipe Saraiva
+**************************************
+Meu blog: <A HREF="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</A>
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+Associa&#231;&#227;o Piauiense de Software Livre
+Projeto Software Livre - Piau&#237; - PSL-PI
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+<PRE> Hello
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+I come here because I like my Mandriva. I can found besser : this month,
+I have tested Debian, OpenSuse or Fedora because I was afraid for Mandriva.
+I now, for me, the new name of Mandriva is Mageia. Isn't it ?
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+ <B>Praveen A</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Anshul Jain &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anshulajain at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I fully agree. Usability has to triumph over ideology. Adhering to the FSF
+</I>&gt;<i> guidelines will needlessly shackle the distro into ideological issues.
+</I>&gt;<i> Something we can do without.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we need to come out with a charter, manifesto of some sorts that
+</I>&gt;<i> defines the target of the distro. I have noticed many questioning the
+</I>&gt;<i> existence of Mageia...considering the plethora of options available...like
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian etc. Fedora has the the bleeding edge, Ubuntu has the
+</I>&gt;<i> refined and polished look while Debian has its ideological purity of DFSG.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I just wanted to hear what community has to say about it. Looks like
+nobody wants ideological purity. Like Anshul mentioned, probably a
+manifesto of what Mageia wants to be is a good idea.
+
+Praveen
+--
+&#3370;&#3405;&#3376;&#3381;&#3392;&#3363;&#3405;&#8205; &#3333;&#3376;&#3391;&#3374;&#3405;&#3370;&#3405;&#3376;&#3364;&#3405;&#3364;&#3402;&#3359;&#3391;&#3375;&#3391;&#3378;&#3405;&#8205;
+You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your
+rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as
+they follow the rules: laws and constitution.
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Donald Stewart</B>
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+<PRE>On 19 September 2010 20:07, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Alaa Elian wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What about a logo of a magic wand. I use the following link just as a demo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg">http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's similar to the one I created and posted earlier:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.linuxtech.net/files/mageia-logo-draft1.jpg">http://www.linuxtech.net/files/mageia-logo-draft1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't like the idea of wands too much, its just too expected,
+although creative uses of the word magic seem to work well, and Nuno's
+design was very nice.
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+ <B>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] French Traduction">liste at siaud.org
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 21:33:11 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE> Hello
+
+I have translate in January &quot;man xrandr&quot; in french :
+<A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=102217&amp;start=21">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=102217&amp;start=21</A> or
+<A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/d662316/systemes/linux/contribuez/man-traduction-language-man-xrandr/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/d662316/systemes/linux/contribuez/man-traduction-language-man-xrandr/</A>
+It not in Mandriva 2010.1 :(
+
+I'd like to begin to translate into French codeblocks. But I've never
+done anything like that.
+I need Help !
+
+Bernard SIAUD Alias Troumad
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+<PRE>First of all excuse me for my English.
+
+I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future.
+Why?
+Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits from
+recent versions of software.
+
+Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for
+inclusion.
+So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the software
+most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is equivalent to
+ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).
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+So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;
+containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,
+thunderbird, mplayer.
+
+As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be
+updated.
+
++1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer
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+<PRE>Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 20:29:01 +0200
+Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+
+&gt;<i> Op zondag 19 september 2010 18:30:07 schreef Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 18:14:43 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Op zondag 19 september 2010 17:57:54 schreef Jan Ciger:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Lawrence, I can't speak for the devs but my understanding is that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia will keep everything that makes Mandriva unique and great,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; which IMHO means more than anything else urpmi and the draktools.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; If Mageia starts to change these things then it will quickly alienate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; many users. Continuity is crucial to take over the Mandriva userbase.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; That is one thing, but more importantly - what is wrong with urpmi? I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; think that out of rpm-based package managers it is one of the best.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Jan
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it is the best package manager. however everything can improve and i am
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; having some small improvement ideas, but those are for a later time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Like downgrading packages as smart can do it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi can do that too
+</I>
+I mean drakrpm like in smart-gui
+
+--
+A.Sala&#252;n
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+ <B>Pacho Ramos</B>
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+<PRE>El dom, 19-09-2010 a las 21:43 +0300, Alaa Elian escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> What about a logo of a magic wand. I use the following link just as a demo
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg">http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>
+Have you think about making a logo based on a triskelion? It can be
+connected with &quot;magic&quot; and each spiral could represent mageia community
+as described in <A HREF="http://mageia.org/">http://mageia.org/</A> (users, makers, advocates)
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+ <B>Donald Stewart</B>
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+<PRE>Not many of you will know me, but I was active in the MDV forums for a
+year or so, and started to contribute as a packager but work got in
+the way. I have just started back at Uni so I have more time again and
+would love to help maintaining a few packages, although I feel I would
+be more useful on the artwork side of things, some of you may have
+heard of the Mandriva background project, I would be more than happy
+to set something up like that for Mageia, and do the &quot;Offical&quot;
+screensavers and wallpapers, splash and plymouth themes.
+
+Cant wait to get this started and see where it can go.
+
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+Donald Stewart
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> First of all excuse me for my English.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future.
+</I>&gt;<i> Why?
+</I>&gt;<i> Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits from
+</I>&gt;<i> recent versions of software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for
+</I>&gt;<i> inclusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the software
+</I>&gt;<i> most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is equivalent to
+</I>&gt;<i> ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,
+</I>&gt;<i> thunderbird, mplayer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be
+</I>&gt;<i> updated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer
+</I>&gt;<i> etc ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia will, like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and enterprise use. So I really hope each version will be stable, maintained and thoroughly tested. I'm not sure that a rolling release permits that.
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Okay, here's some of my comparisons in my opinion:
+
+WordPress
+-Good at content
+-Primarily intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS
+too.
+-Rather popular
+-Open source
+-Good functionality without addons
+-Easy to use administration interface
+-Some advanced functions depend on theme coding
+
+Drupal
+-Good at organizing content and communities
+-Has no clear intended use.
+-Rather popular
+-Open source
+-Requires a large number of modules to be useful.
+-A little harder to administrate, but rather powerful.
+
+TextPattern
+-Very light, yet rather powerful
+-Primarily intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS
+too.
+-Nice article system
+-Open source
+-Admin UI is a little plain and takes some getting used to, but it works
+nicely.
+
+Joomla
+-Rather popular
+-Open source
+-Complete junk in my mind. Avoid at all costs.
+
+Shawn
+
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Guys and girls, just decided, and who want to help do your part. Will
+</I>&gt;<i> certainly have people who prefer Wordpress or Drupal, but is not going to
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss it forever. List the advantages and disadvantages of each and
+</I>&gt;<i> picks the one that best meets our needs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Lirodon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">superfox436 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS's on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IRC channel, I thought I'd bring up this topic in a well, more &quot;intelligent&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for the CMS on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for making
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather light.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Shawn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Filipe Saraiva
+</I>&gt;<i> **************************************
+</I>&gt;<i> Meu blog: <A HREF="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE> Am 19.09.2010 19:52, schrieb Nuno Pinheiro:
+&gt;<i> second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example
+</I>&gt;<i> usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> container of anything
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please cc me :)
+</I>Nuno Pinheiro FTW! :)
+Really professional proposal for the website,
+maybe you can do a mockup for a logo/symbol, too?
+And many thanks for your works!
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+Then the updates are not feeling Immediately. passing-through a phase of
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 20:03,Pacho Ramos nous adresse ces quelques mots :
+&gt;<i> El dom, 19-09-2010 a las 21:43 +0300, Alaa Elian escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What about a logo of a magic wand. I use the following link just as a demo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg">http://www.bradfitzpatrick.com/store/images/products/fs010-cartoon-magic-wand.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have you think about making a logo based on a triskelion? It can be
+</I>&gt;<i> connected with &quot;magic&quot; and each spiral could represent mageia community
+</I>&gt;<i> as described in <A HREF="http://mageia.org/">http://mageia.org/</A> (users, makers, advocates)
+</I>
+Do you mean like that?
+
+<A HREF="http://trisquel.info/">http://trisquel.info/</A>
+
+:<i>-)
+</I>
+--
+Malo
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+Some of you may remember me from the late days of Mandrakesoft. I was employed as a packager and as a trainer. I have some time available if I can be of some help, please let me know. I also am able to host a mirror/cvs-mirror/etc as may be needed.
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+ <B>Felix Martos</B>
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+<PRE>I hope Mageia will be a server suitable distribution, and even be able
+to receive certifications from software companies for their products,
+so a relese system is necessary... But for a desktop version, having a
+rolling versioning system could be affordable
+
+
+Hasta Pronto
+
+--
+&#160;F&#233;lix Martos Trenado
+
+
+
+
+2010/9/19 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First of all excuse me for my English.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recent versions of software.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inclusion.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is equivalent to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thunderbird, mplayer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updated.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> etc ...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia will, like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and enterprise use. So I really hope each version will be stable, maintained and thoroughly tested. I'm not sure that a rolling release permits that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
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+<PRE>On dimanche 19 septembre 2010 at 21:41, HacKurx wrote :
+&gt;<i> Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for
+</I>&gt;<i> inclusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the
+</I>&gt;<i> software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is
+</I>&gt;<i> equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,
+</I>&gt;<i> thunderbird, mplayer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be
+</I>&gt;<i> updated.
+</I>
+From what I understand, what you describe actually correspond to the
+backports media of the actual mandriva. see
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/SoftwareMedia">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Policies/SoftwareMedia</A>
+
+--
+Renaud Michel
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+<PRE>try arch linux and you will see that it is stable, so if we just do the same
+with a small nomber of software that will make less work for each new stable
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+ <B>Sandro Cazzaniga</B>
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+<PRE>Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:50:07 +0200,
+Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First of all excuse me for my English.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; future. Why?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; benefits from recent versions of software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; version for inclusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thunderbird, mplayer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be updated.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; smplayer etc ...)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> will, like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and
+</I>&gt;<i> enterprise use. So I really hope each version will be stable,
+</I>&gt;<i> maintained and thoroughly tested. I'm not sure that a rolling release
+</I>&gt;<i> permits that.
+</I>
+I think not...
+
+--
+Sandro Cazzaniga
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+Le 19 sept. 2010 &#224; 21:41, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> First of all excuse me for my English.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future. Why?
+</I>&gt;<i> Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits from recent versions of software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for inclusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot; containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea, thunderbird, mplayer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be updated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer etc ...) _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Isn't current mandriva backport exactly what you are talking about?
+
+I use backport for that purpose and it works pretty well.
+
+Daniel
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+<PRE>The colors remind me of google..
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Nuno Pinheiro &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nuno at oxygen-icons.org</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example
+</I>&gt;<i> usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> container of anything
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please cc me :)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
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+etc ...) to the extent it does not break the system.
+This deposit would be enabled by default in the system.
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+ <B>Daniel Le Berre</B>
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+Le 19 sept. 2010 &#224; 22:16, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Add mandriva backport but containing more software (vlc, mplayer, smplayer, etc ...) to the extent it does not break the system.
+</I>&gt;<i> This deposit would be enabled by default in the system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+You can already get those ones on plf
+<A HREF="http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/">http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/</A>
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+<PRE> Hey,
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+cooker was that rolling release for Mandriva. I'm sure there will be something like that for
+Mageia too.
+
+--
+Sander
+
+
+19.09.2010 22:41, HacKurx kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> First of all excuse me for my English.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future. Why?
+</I>&gt;<i> Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits from recent versions
+</I>&gt;<i> of software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for inclusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the software most used to
+</I>&gt;<i> constantly updated in a repository (this is equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but
+</I>&gt;<i> stable and under control).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot; containing software
+</I>&gt;<i> commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea, thunderbird, mplayer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be updated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer etc ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 21:50:07 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First of all excuse me for my English.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Why?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from recent versions of software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; inclusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thunderbird, mplayer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updated.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; etc ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia will,
+</I>&gt;<i> like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and enterprise
+</I>&gt;<i> use. So I really hope each version will be stable, maintained and
+</I>&gt;<i> thoroughly tested. I'm not sure that a rolling release permits that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 22:17, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> You 404&#8217;d it. Gnarly, dude.
+</I>
+It was &lt;url:<A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png&gt;
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+courriel : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jean.peyratout at abul.org</A> - t&#233;l. +33 682.059.918
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+ <B>Jean Peyratout</B>
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 22:41, Jean Peyratout a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 22:17, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You 404&#8217;d it. Gnarly, dude.
+</I>&gt;<i> It was &lt;url:<A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png&gt;
+</I>
+... no cutting the link ;-)
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+--
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+courriel : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jean.peyratout at abul.org</A> - t&#233;l. +33 682.059.918
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+<PRE>Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:44:08 +0200,
+Jean Peyratout &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jean.peyratout at abul.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> ... no cutting the link ;-)
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+--
+Patrick.
+envoye depuis le monde libre ...
+par un Pc sous Mandriva 2011.0 ( cooker ) !
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+<PRE>People,
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+Now that the distro is starting, it's easier to define the course of the project. We have to make sure we're doing the right thing.
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+Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely discussed: support for the Stallman's group could be very advantageous, but would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all source code should be available.
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+But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to install your kernel linux-libre .
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+Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux kernel maintained by the FSF Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few distros that offer it.
+
+I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media, where the user can install a system with it by typing something like &quot;install = libre&quot; or something similar at boot time of this media. Of course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.
+
+For more information, see: <A HREF="http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/">http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</A>
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+<PRE> Hello everyone!
+
+As I have been among the few who were in the networkless countryside, as
+well as with a ten month old little boy, I am just reconnecting to
+numeric reality, including more than 272 mails in my Box.
+
+That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there have been
+fantastic submissions and proposals for our brand new logo.
+
+I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform for such a
+contest. We need a dedicated website.
+I think one day we will need a mageia-art.org website, but I am not sure
+it will be available soon to us, our project still has no structure. So
+I think we need to do just like Anne has done for the wallpaper contests
+:<i> open a flickr account to help centralizing all the logo submissions
+</I>and allow comments for each of them to make them better and finally
+decide in a more convenient place.
+
+I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with flickr, but I am
+not. So if someone has the time, I think it would be really helpfull to
+open a dedicated and clear flickr page to submit all the suggested
+logos, and to place a link both in the mailing lists, IRC and website.
+
+Cheers,
+
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hello everyone!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I have been among the few who were in the networkless countryside, as
+</I>&gt;<i> well as with a ten month old little boy, I am just reconnecting to numeric
+</I>&gt;<i> reality, including more than 272 mails in my Box.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there have been
+</I>&gt;<i> fantastic submissions and proposals for our brand new logo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform for such a
+</I>&gt;<i> contest. We need a dedicated website.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think one day we will need a mageia-art.org website, but I am not sure
+</I>&gt;<i> it will be available soon to us, our project still has no structure. So I
+</I>&gt;<i> think we need to do just like Anne has done for the wallpaper contests :
+</I>&gt;<i> open a flickr account to help centralizing all the logo submissions and
+</I>&gt;<i> allow comments for each of them to make them better and finally decide in a
+</I>&gt;<i> more convenient place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with flickr, but I am
+</I>&gt;<i> not. So if someone has the time, I think it would be really helpfull to
+</I>&gt;<i> open a dedicated and clear flickr page to submit all the suggested logos,
+</I>&gt;<i> and to place a link both in the mailing lists, IRC and website.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As a suggestion, why not use flickr account to upload logo proposals ?
+
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas aka Skiper.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Isn't current mandriva backport exactly what you are talking about?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I use backport for that purpose and it works pretty well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>
+My thoughts exactly.
+
+A release system with backports for bleeding edge desktop software (as we have now with Mandriva) is the way to go.
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+<PRE>Rolling releases are fine to users, but many sys admins wouldn't use it on a server, by example.
+
+If,on the one hand, a rolling-release distro would be more economical and easy to mantain for development team, think that neither all user have high speed connections to download the whole system updated at installation time or update packages day to day.
+
+--- Em dom, 19/9/10, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+
+De: Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+Para: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 17:37
+
+Op zondag 19 september 2010 21:50:07 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First of all excuse me for my English.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the future.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Why?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from recent versions of software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; inclusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thunderbird, mplayer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; updated.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc, smplayer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; etc ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia will,
+</I>&gt;<i> like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and enterprise
+</I>&gt;<i> use. So I really hope each version will be stable, maintained and
+</I>&gt;<i> thoroughly tested. I'm not sure that a rolling release permits that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>My suggestion is made that a technical study of tools and a decision
+consensus among those who will be responsible for installation and service
+maintenance.
+
+For example, the technical report of infrastructure for KDE using git is a
+very good job done by the team of sysadmins. It's technical and exposes why
+that decision was made.
+
+Follow the link for those interested - can to be very useful as an example
+to be followed.
+
+It's a ODT archive:
+<A HREF="http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-scm-interest&amp;m=127612957219466&amp;q=p3">http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-scm-interest&amp;m=127612957219466&amp;q=p3</A>
+
+Cheers,
+
+2010/9/19 Lirodon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">superfox436 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Okay, here's some of my comparisons in my opinion:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WordPress
+</I>&gt;<i> -Good at content
+</I>&gt;<i> -Primarily intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS
+</I>&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;<i> -Rather popular
+</I>&gt;<i> -Open source
+</I>&gt;<i> -Good functionality without addons
+</I>&gt;<i> -Easy to use administration interface
+</I>&gt;<i> -Some advanced functions depend on theme coding
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Drupal
+</I>&gt;<i> -Good at organizing content and communities
+</I>&gt;<i> -Has no clear intended use.
+</I>&gt;<i> -Rather popular
+</I>&gt;<i> -Open source
+</I>&gt;<i> -Requires a large number of modules to be useful.
+</I>&gt;<i> -A little harder to administrate, but rather powerful.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> TextPattern
+</I>&gt;<i> -Very light, yet rather powerful
+</I>&gt;<i> -Primarily intended for blogging, but can be used as a general purpose CMS
+</I>&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;<i> -Nice article system
+</I>&gt;<i> -Open source
+</I>&gt;<i> -Admin UI is a little plain and takes some getting used to, but it works
+</I>&gt;<i> nicely.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Joomla
+</I>&gt;<i> -Rather popular
+</I>&gt;<i> -Open source
+</I>&gt;<i> -Complete junk in my mind. Avoid at all costs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shawn
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guys and girls, just decided, and who want to help do your part. Will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> certainly have people who prefer Wordpress or Drupal, but is not going to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discuss it forever. List the advantages and disadvantages of each and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> picks the one that best meets our needs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Lirodon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">superfox436 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Okay, after I melted my brain with an argument over self-made CMS's on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the IRC channel, I thought I'd bring up this topic in a well, more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;intelligent&quot; manner. Do we have any opinions on what we should be using for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the CMS on the Mageia site? WordPress is pretty popular, Drupal is good for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> making communities, Joomla is junk (to me anyway), and TextPattern is rather
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> light. So, can we throw out any intelligent thoughts on this manner?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Shawn
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Filipe Saraiva
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> **************************************
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Meu blog: <A HREF="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Associa&#231;&#227;o Piauiense de Software Livre
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Projeto Software Livre - Piau&#237; - PSL-PI
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#8220;Voc&#234; deve ser a mudan&#231;a que deseja ver no mundo.&#8221; - Gandhi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>
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+Filipe Saraiva
+**************************************
+Meu blog: <A HREF="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</A>
+
+Associa&#231;&#227;o Piauiense de Software Livre
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+ <B>Thomas Lottmann</B>
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+<PRE> Le 19/09/2010 22:53, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello everyone!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I have been among the few who were in the networkless
+</I>&gt;<i> countryside, as well as with a ten month old little boy, I am just
+</I>&gt;<i> reconnecting to numeric reality, including more than 272 mails in
+</I>&gt;<i> my Box.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there have been
+</I>&gt;<i> fantastic submissions and proposals for our brand new logo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform for such
+</I>&gt;<i> a contest. We need a dedicated website.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think one day we will need a mageia-art.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://mageia-art.org">http://mageia-art.org</A>&gt; website, but I am not sure it will be
+</I>&gt;<i> available soon to us, our project still has no structure. So I
+</I>&gt;<i> think we need to do just like Anne has done for the wallpaper
+</I>&gt;<i> contests : open a flickr account to help centralizing all the logo
+</I>&gt;<i> submissions and allow comments for each of them to make them
+</I>&gt;<i> better and finally decide in a more convenient place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with flickr, but
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not. So if someone has the time, I think it would be really
+</I>&gt;<i> helpfull to open a dedicated and clear flickr page to submit all
+</I>&gt;<i> the suggested logos, and to place a link both in the mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> lists, IRC and website.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a suggestion, why not use flickr account to upload logo proposals ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas aka Skiper.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+This is exactly what I suggested. :-)
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+<PRE>== On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 12:22:24 -0300 nosXw took the time to write ==
+
+&gt;<i>Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>
+Cool........... prefer the bottom left one.
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+.-.-.-.-.-.-.
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+David
+located at 39.12.08S 173.48.31E
+beneath the Mountain, beside the Sea
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+who uses linux/open source software, featuring
+Mandriva Linux release 2009.1 (Official) for i586
+kernel 2.6.29.6-desktop-3mnb
+08:40:55 up 55 min, 2 users, load average: 1.24, 1.18, 1.11
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 22:53, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello everyone!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I have been among the few who were in the networkless countryside, as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well as with a ten month old little boy, I am just reconnecting to numeric
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reality, including more than 272 mails in my Box.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That quite complicated, in the middle of the mess, there have been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fantastic submissions and proposals for our brand new logo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that a mailing list is really not a good platform for such a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contest. We need a dedicated website.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think one day we will need a mageia-art.org website, but I am not sure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it will be available soon to us, our project still has no structure. So I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think we need to do just like Anne has done for the wallpaper contests :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> open a flickr account to help centralizing all the logo submissions and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> allow comments for each of them to make them better and finally decide in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more convenient place.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with flickr, but I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not. So if someone has the time, I think it would be really helpfull to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> open a dedicated and clear flickr page to submit all the suggested logos,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and to place a link both in the mailing lists, IRC and website.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a suggestion, why not use flickr account to upload logo proposals ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Oups I need to go to sleep ;)
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas aka Skiper.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is exactly what I suggested. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] domain names">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br
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+<PRE>What about domain names like mageia-edu etc. ?
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+A.Sala&#252;n
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+I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
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+ <B>JOSE-Glasnosh</B>
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+<PRE>Hello everyone
+
+Following the recommendation given to me in '#mageia-dev' I offer my support for this project.
+
+I work as a Linux systems administrator for some time. Also perhaps I could get some hardware and bandwidth to host services for 'mageia'.
+
+If you are interested in my assistance in this area, I am at your disposal.
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+Greetings
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> What about domain names like mageia-edu etc. ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> A.Sala&#252;n
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the brand
+more easily that way. Let's make it easy for people to find the distro.
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+ <B>Erwan Velu</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Making this list more efficient">erwanaliasr1 at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 23:10:52 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hey folks,
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+We are facing a strong and impressive involvement regarding mageia's
+creation.
+The mailing list traffic is quite strong and somehow, difficult to follow.
+
+I would like emphasing an important point to keep posts easy to read.
+When you answer someone's email, please replace all the unnecessary
+comments by something like &quot; [...] &quot;.
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+That could looks like:
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+-----------------------------------
+&gt;<i> Mr A said :
+</I>&gt;<i> What about making this or that ?
+</I>
+[....]
+
+Agree on that point because I think that ...
+-----------------------------------
+
+That makes emails shorter, easier to read &amp; to understood.
+
+More generally, please read the Netiquette: so many interesting things
+to read.
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netiquette</A>
+
+Cheers,
+Erwan
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 23:11:59 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On 19 September 2010 02:32, Olav Vitters &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">olav at vitters.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> If you want some sysadmin assistance, I can help out. I'm one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME sysadmins, see <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/SysadminTeam.">http://live.gnome.org/SysadminTeam.</A> I have
+</I>&gt;<i> experience with Bugzilla, Python, LDAP, etc. However, I never helped on
+</I>&gt;<i> infrastructure side of Mandriva (only triaged many years back).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One think I noticed is the self-signed certificate. Note that a free
+</I>&gt;<i> certificate for <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> can easily be created via
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.startssl.com/.">https://www.startssl.com/.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For Mageia hosting, GNOME has one server and a VM @ osuosl.org. Though
+</I>&gt;<i> we don't use that machine much, I still have a very positive impression
+</I>&gt;<i> about the hosting (plus it is free:).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav
+</I>
+Thanks for the support. :)
+
+Good point about the certificate, I hope the web guys will take under
+advisement.
+
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+<PRE>Whell, then we can use something like:
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+www.mageia.org/edu
+www.mageia.org/kde
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+and so on...
+
+--- Em dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+
+De: Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] domain names
+Para: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:06
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+ Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit&#160;:
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+ What about domain names like mageia-edu etc. ?
+
+--
+A.Sala&#252;n
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+I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
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+ I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+ mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the
+ brand more easily that way. Let's make it easy for people to find
+ the distro.
+
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+ Marc
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+ <B>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about domain names like mageia-edu etc. ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> A.Sala&#252;n
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.orghttps</A>://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the brand more
+</I>&gt;<i> easily that way. Let's make it easy for people to find the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>xxx.mageia.org seems better, see:
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+<A HREF="http://doc.ubuntu.com/">http://doc.ubuntu.com/</A>
+<A HREF="https://help.ubuntu.com/">https://help.ubuntu.com/</A>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/</A>
+<A HREF="http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/">http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org">http://docs.fedoraproject.org</A>
+<A HREF="http://planet.fedoraproject.org/">http://planet.fedoraproject.org/</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://software.opensuse.org">http://software.opensuse.org</A>
+<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/">https://build.opensuse.org/</A>
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> When you go to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org,">http://www.mageia.org,</A> you go to the project website,
+</I>&gt;<i> but when you type <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> you go to a page entitled
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Welcome to zarb.org&quot;. This occurs mainly when leaving mail-list
+</I>&gt;<i> options page. I guess what should be fixed because can cause confusion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>You also get strange results if you type in <A HREF="http://www.mageia.nl,">http://www.mageia.nl,</A>
+<A HREF="http://mageia.nl;">http://mageia.nl;</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.nl">https://www.mageia.nl</A> and finally <A HREF="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</A> .
+Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the mageia.nl owner
+announced the site offered a link to the official mageia.org site. Some
+of these lead to the zarb.org site.
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>* Andr&#233; Machado (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> When you go to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org,">http://www.mageia.org,</A> you go to the project website, but when you type <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> you go to a page entitled &quot;Welcome to zarb.org&quot;. This occurs mainly when leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be fixed because can cause confusion.
+</I>
+It should but it cannot since we have only one IP on the server and
+SSL vhost works only with multiple IP.
+
+&gt;<i>
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+CNRS - LATMOS
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20https%20at%20URL%20leads%20to%20a%20different%20page&In-Reply-To=%3C336992.87401.qm%40web113005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br
+ </A><BR>
+ <I>Sun Sep 19 23:26:22 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>I hope that these issues can be solved when distro have your own datacenter or dedicated server. Btw, this is CRITICAL for now!
+
+At the future, once solved the issue about edu,mageia.org or mageia.org/edu, maybe centralize all worldwide sites in only one place, with domains just pointing to your right page.
+
+Suggestions and examples:
+
+If edu.mageia.org be addopted, we can create something like www.mageia.org/pt-br for Brazil Portuguese website version and edu.mageia.org/pt-br would be the edu.mageia.org portuguese version of that page. Thus, www.mageia.com.br would points to mageia,org/edu.
+
+&#160;If we would convince all worldwide site maintaners to do it, the whole thing would be more organized and economical, because they wouldn't pay for a host.
+
+I guess what Mandriva website is tis way.
+
+--- Em dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+
+De: Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+Para: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:17
+
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+
+ Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit&#160;:
+
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+
+ When you go to
+ <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org,">http://www.mageia.org,</A> you go to the project website, but
+ when you type <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> you go to a page
+ entitled &quot;Welcome to zarb.org&quot;. This occurs mainly when
+ leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be
+ fixed because can cause confusion.
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+ &#160;
+
+_______________________________________________
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+
+
+ You also get strange results if you type in <A HREF="http://www.mageia.nl,">http://www.mageia.nl,</A>
+ <A HREF="http://mageia.nl;">http://mageia.nl;</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.nl">https://www.mageia.nl</A> and finally <A HREF="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</A>
+ . Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the mageia.nl owner
+ announced the site offered a link to the official mageia.org site.
+ Some of these lead to the zarb.org site.
+
+
+
+ Marc
+
+
+
+-----Anexo incorporado-----
+
+_______________________________________________
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20https%20at%20URL%20leads%20to%20a%20different%20page&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTin%2B1RkOm606M%2BAf_AgKtiqXcb4vUfnkMcanYa4F%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page">ennael1 at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 23:27:54 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> I hope that these issues can be solved when distro have your own datacenter
+</I>&gt;<i> or dedicated server. Btw, this is CRITICAL for now!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This will be solved indeed. For now many thanks to plf team who is managing
+hosting for mageia
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> At the future, once solved the issue about edu,mageia.org or
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org/edu, maybe centralize all worldwide sites in only one place,
+</I>&gt;<i> with domains just pointing to your right page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Suggestions and examples:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If edu.mageia.org be addopted, we can create something like
+</I>&gt;<i> www.mageia.org/pt-br for Brazil Portuguese website version and
+</I>&gt;<i> edu.mageia.org/pt-br would be the edu.mageia.org portuguese version of
+</I>&gt;<i> that page. Thus, www.mageia.com.br would points to mageia,org/edu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we would convince all worldwide site maintaners to do it, the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> thing would be more organized and economical, because they wouldn't pay for
+</I>&gt;<i> a host.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess what Mandriva website is tis way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Em *dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;* escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> De: Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</I>&gt;<i> Para: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:17
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When you go to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org,">http://www.mageia.org,</A> you go to the project website, but
+</I>&gt;<i> when you type <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> you go to a page entitled &quot;Welcome
+</I>&gt;<i> to zarb.org&quot;. This occurs mainly when leaving mail-list options page. I
+</I>&gt;<i> guess what should be fixed because can cause confusion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listMageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> &lt;<A HREF="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</A>&gt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You also get strange results if you type in <A HREF="http://www.mageia.nl,">http://www.mageia.nl,</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.nl;">http://mageia.nl;</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.nl">https://www.mageia.nl</A> and finally <A HREF="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</A> .
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the mageia.nl owner announced
+</I>&gt;<i> the site offered a link to the official mageia.org site. Some of these
+</I>&gt;<i> lead to the zarb.org site.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -----Anexo incorporado-----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> &lt;<A HREF="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op zondag 19 september 2010 23:18:39 schreef Olivier Thauvin:
+&gt;<i> * Andr&#233; Machado (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When you go to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org,">http://www.mageia.org,</A> you go to the project website, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when you type <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> you go to a page entitled &quot;Welcome
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to zarb.org&quot;. This occurs mainly when leaving mail-list options page. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; guess what should be fixed because can cause confusion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It should but it cannot since we have only one IP on the server and
+</I>&gt;<i> SSL vhost works only with multiple IP.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+not anymore, since there's an extension(SNI or something) that can have
+multiple SSL vhosts (doesn't work for IE in win XP)
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+ <B>Julien DAL</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] domain names">julien.dal at linux-ignition.org
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 23:35:01 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+Or :
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+http(s)://edu.mageia.org
+http(s)://kde.mageia.org
+
+Much better ... ;)
+
+
+On Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:13:30 -0700 (PDT)
+Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Whell, then we can use something like:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> www.mageia.org/edu
+</I>&gt;<i> www.mageia.org/kde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and so on...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Em dom, 19/9/10, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> De: Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</I>&gt;<i> Para: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:06
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit&#160;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about domain names like mageia-edu etc. ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Thomas Lottmann</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Offering all my help, and adding me to the list.">skiperdrake at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 23:35:31 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE> As I am also following this fork, I would also like to offer my help.
+
+I have quite a lot of experience on MediaWiki (for having worked a lot
+on the Mandriva wiki). Perhaps I will be able to work there. But I would
+like ot help anywhere I can be useful.
+
+If possible, please also add me to the list :
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+ * Thomas Lottmann (Skiper) - French Users community
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n</B>
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+<PRE>Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 23:14:29 +0200
+St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">steletch at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What about domain names like mageia-edu etc. ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A.Sala&#252;n
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.orghttps</A>://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember the brand more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; easily that way. Let's make it easy for people to find the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> xxx.mageia.org seems better, see:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://doc.ubuntu.com/">http://doc.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://help.ubuntu.com/">https://help.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/">http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org">http://docs.fedoraproject.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://planet.fedoraproject.org/">http://planet.fedoraproject.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://software.opensuse.org">http://software.opensuse.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/">https://build.opensuse.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stef
+</I>
+Why not ?
+Perhaps just a native langage influence finally.
+
+
+--
+A.Sala&#252;n
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 23:40:43 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
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+Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the distro was not ahead.
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+Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians what are part of Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operatting system.
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+ <B>Thomas Lottmann</B>
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+<PRE> Le 19/09/2010 23:40, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva
+</I>&gt;<i> was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some
+</I>&gt;<i> Conectiva users tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is
+</I>&gt;<i> happening now-, but the distro was not ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was adopted
+</I>&gt;<i> and would recognize the Brazilians as part of Mandriva operatting
+</I>&gt;<i> system and, now, from Mageia operating system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more symbolic
+name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for people that are
+not inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not mean anything for
+people from outside, that's why a much more powerful name would be
+better to have a great meaning (and why not link it to the artwork?
+Well, that'll be to determine in the future).
+
+Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of the
+first stable release for Mageia could be really nice.
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+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 23:40, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva was
+</I>&gt;<i> sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some Conectiva users
+</I>&gt;<i> tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro was not ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was adopted and
+</I>&gt;<i> would recognize the Brazilians as part of Mandriva operatting system and,
+</I>&gt;<i> now, from Mageia operating system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more symbolic name,
+</I>&gt;<i> like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for people that are not inside
+</I>&gt;<i> the community. Sadly Xavante will not mean anything for people from outside,
+</I>&gt;<i> that's why a much more powerful name would be better to have a great meaning
+</I>&gt;<i> (and why not link it to the artwork? Well, that'll be to determine in the
+</I>&gt;<i> future).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of the
+</I>&gt;<i> first stable release for Mageia could be really nice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>My two cents:
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+We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou' there was
+speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it's community.
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+<PRE>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Thomas Lottmann wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would have done it, if only I was more familiar with flickr, but I am
+</I>&gt;<i> not. So if someone has the time, I think it would be really helpfull to
+</I>&gt;<i> open a dedicated and clear flickr page to submit all the suggested logos,
+</I>&gt;<i> and to place a link both in the mailing lists, IRC and website.
+</I>
+I opened a flickr group :
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/</A>
+
+Nicolas
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20flickr%20group%20for%20logo%20proposals&In-Reply-To=%3C20100919215702.GB15219%40mars-attacks.org%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] flickr group for logo proposals">boklm at mars-attacks.org
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 23:57:02 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+If you have a flickr account, you can add your logo proposals to the
+following group :
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/</A>
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+Nicolas
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+ <B>nosXw</B>
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+<PRE>I think it's an excellent idea, it would be a wink and a gift to the community of Brazil, a gift more than deserved,
+because after the purchase of Conectiva this community was abandoned by Mandriva.
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+ <B>Chris</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Artwork%20-%20Mageia%20Logo%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3C1284932346.7206.51.camel%40localhost.localdomain%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">cpollock at embarqmail.com
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+<PRE>On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 17:55 +0200, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
+&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in
+</I>&gt;<i> kmenu button etc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The second one is excellent!
+
+--
+Chris
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+ <B>hermit</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?">hermit at outofoptions.com
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+<PRE>A new distro trying to get off the ground and way too many of these
+posts are on 'artwork'. There will come a time when I'm sure there will
+be a contest for the community at large to get involved, in the meantime
+you risk running off folks like myself that just can't be bothered with
+the volume of emails about stuff that is of low importance right now.
+
+my opinion anyhow....
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+The Hermit
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+ <B>Troumad</B>
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+<PRE> Hello
+
+I come here because I like my Mandriva. I can found besser : this month,
+I have tested Debian, OpenSuse or Fedora because I was afraid for Mandriva.
+I now, for me, the new name of Mandriva is Mageia. Isn't it ?
+--
+Amicalement vOOotre Troumad Alias Bernard SIAUD
+mon site : <A HREF="http://troumad.org">http://troumad.org</A> : AD&amp;D maths WEB...
+Pour la libert&#233; <A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/</A>
+N'envoyez que des documents avec des formats ouverts, comme
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+ <B>Nuno Pinheiro</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look">nuno at oxygen-icons.org
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+<A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Willing%20to%20help&In-Reply-To=%3C201009190048.35185.r.h.michel%2Bmageia%40gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 00:48:35 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hello
+
+I've been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that's almost 10 years ago!)
+then mandriva.
+I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I hope I
+will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first, and
+maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I've made some packages for my own
+use).
+
+And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and
+installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)
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+Cheers
+--
+Renaud Michel
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com
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+ <I>Sun Sep 19 01:28:06 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On 19 September 2010 01:48, Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that's almost 10 years ago!)
+</I>&gt;<i> then mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I hope I
+</I>&gt;<i> will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first, and
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I've made some packages for my own
+</I>&gt;<i> use).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and
+</I>&gt;<i> installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Renaud Michel
+</I>
+Great, thanks for the voice of support :)
+
+Any help is welcome, be it testing, promoting, packaging. Once things
+starts to roll, you can apply for a packager's account.
+
+Thanks.
+
+&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Olav Vitters</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Helping%20out%20with%20infrastructure&In-Reply-To=%3C20100918233253.GA4080%40bkor.dhs.org%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure">olav at vitters.nl
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+<PRE>If you want some sysadmin assistance, I can help out. I'm one of the
+GNOME sysadmins, see <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/SysadminTeam.">http://live.gnome.org/SysadminTeam.</A> I have
+experience with Bugzilla, Python, LDAP, etc. However, I never helped on
+infrastructure side of Mandriva (only triaged many years back).
+
+One think I noticed is the self-signed certificate. Note that a free
+certificate for <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> can easily be created via
+<A HREF="https://www.startssl.com/.">https://www.startssl.com/.</A>
+
+For Mageia hosting, GNOME has one server and a VM @ osuosl.org. Though
+we don't use that machine much, I still have a very positive impression
+about the hosting (plus it is free:).
+
+--
+Regards,
+Olav
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Stephen Germany</B>
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+
+Stephen
+
+Calm down..............it's only ones and zeroes.
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+ <B>Paul Willard</B>
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+<PRE>Further to this, the domain is now live and pointing to mandrivausers.org
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageiausers.org">http://www.mageiausers.org</A>
+
+
+
+discussions of what to do with community support should follow :)
+
+Paul Willard.
+
+A.K.A TerminalAddict
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+From: Paul Willard [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">paul at mcrides.co.nz</A>]
+Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 8:40 a.m.
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Subject: Introducing Paul Willard
+
+
+
+My introduction.
+
+My Name is Paul Willard, a bunch of people on the internet know me as
+TerminalAddict, and I am the original founder, owner, and lead administrator
+or <A HREF="http://mandrivausers.org">http://mandrivausers.org</A>
+
+And I'm here to help :)
+
+
+
+I have registered the domain name mageiausers.org .. I hope this was OK to
+do
+
+I'm happy to assist developing a community support strategy.
+
+
+
+Talk soon.
+
+Paul Willard.
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+
+&gt;<i> On 19 September 2010 01:48, Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&lt;r.h.michel%<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">2Bmageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that's almost 10 years
+</I>&gt;<i> ago!)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; then mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I hope
+</I>&gt;<i> I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first,
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I've made some packages for my
+</I>&gt;<i> own
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Renaud Michel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Great, thanks for the voice of support :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any help is welcome, be it testing, promoting, packaging. Once things
+</I>&gt;<i> starts to roll, you can apply for a packager's account.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I too would like to volunteer. Live in the US so can help with things that
+need to be done over here, also a developer and can help with packaging and
+what not.
+
+
+--
+&quot;The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual
+superiority to other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his
+moral inferiority to any creature that cannot.&quot;
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 19 September 2010 01:48, Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hello
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I've been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that's almost 10 years
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ago!)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; then mandriva.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; hope I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I've made some packages for my
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; own
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; use).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Renaud Michel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Great, thanks for the voice of support :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any help is welcome, be it testing, promoting, packaging. Once things
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> starts to roll, you can apply for a packager's account.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I too would like to volunteer.&#160;&#160; Live in the US so can help with things that
+</I>&gt;<i> need to be done over here, also a developer and can help with packaging and
+</I>&gt;<i> what not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for the offer of help, I hope things get rolling soon :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;The fact that man knows right from wrong proves his intellectual
+</I>&gt;<i> superiority to other creatures; but the fact that he can do wrong proves his
+</I>&gt;<i> moral inferiority to any creature that cannot.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; - Mark Twain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+ <B>Filipe Saraiva</B>
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+<PRE>Hello, my name is Filipe Saraiva, brazilian, member of KDE regional group
+and Mandriva user. I traduzed the website of Mageia to brazilian portuguese.
+
+I am willing to help to promote Mageia in brazilian free software community.
+
+Hugs,
+
+2010/9/18 Andrey Borzenkov &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">arvidjaar at mail.ru</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 18 of September 2010 11:42:47 Jos&#239;&#191;&#189; Israel de Le&#239;&#191;&#189;n
+</I>&gt;<i> Cord&#239;&#191;&#189;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am sorry for my English, I am from Guatemala, I am studing English
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and now I am going to Study hard to comunicate with all of you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I write for the first time and I do it to the 3 lists just to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; introduce myself, I am a Mandrake user since version 7 and now with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010.1, mandriva is the best and I'm ready to help as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; necessary to this project.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am studing computer engineering, I like to program in C++ / Qt4, not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; know much kdelibs but what I can, I'm here to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Again, I am sorry for my English jejejejeje.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please do not post in HTML in any technical list.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Filipe Saraiva
+**************************************
+Meu blog: <A HREF="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</A>
+
+Associa&#231;&#227;o Piauiense de Software Livre
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+my important points are:
+ * community (as a whole) gets a say about important points =&gt; some kind of
+system that makes this work without slowing us down. (multivoting of board
+members? every candidate could set up their viewpoints and people could
+register for voting and vote one or more members)
+ * funding(?) -&gt; costs + hw
+ * hyping! PR!
+ * upgradable from mdv
+ * policies!
+ * diff between mdv
+ * policy on gaming packages?
+ * patented software? (PLF?)
+ * free/non-free
+ * CAN we make a stable release BEFORE christmas (a 2011.0)? i think we can!
+
+these are my viewpoints/questions
+
+Maarten Vanraes
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my important points are:
+</I>&gt;<i> * community (as a whole) gets a say about important points =&gt; some kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> system that makes this work without slowing us down. (multivoting of board
+</I>&gt;<i> members? every candidate could set up their viewpoints and people could
+</I>&gt;<i> register for voting and vote one or more members)
+</I>&gt;<i> * funding(?) -&gt; costs + hw
+</I>&gt;<i> * hyping! PR!
+</I>&gt;<i> * upgradable from mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> * policies!
+</I>&gt;<i> * diff between mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> * policy on gaming packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> * patented software? (PLF?)
+</I>&gt;<i> * free/non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> * CAN we make a stable release BEFORE christmas (a 2011.0)? i think we can!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree that most questions here are important. Can I ask what you mean by &quot;policy on gaming packages&quot; ?
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+I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our
+distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved
+distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro
+(well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close
+already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from
+the kernel.
+
+Here is the FSF guidelines
+<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</A>
+
+Can we commit to these guidelines?
+
+Thanks
+Praveen
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+ <B>SinnerBOFH</B>
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+<PRE>I don't believe that adhering to FSF will provide anything to Mageia/Mandriva users.
+
+I'm used to PLF, Flash plug-ins, video drivers, excellent hardware detection and other things that are part of the Mandriva experience.
+
+Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot just for the sake of a small publicity stunt: if Debian doesn't make it to their list, I don't think we should even try.
+
+My 2cents.
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+
+On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pravi.a at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Dear Mageia folks,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our
+</I>&gt;<i> distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro
+</I>&gt;<i> (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close
+</I>&gt;<i> already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from
+</I>&gt;<i> the kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the FSF guidelines
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we commit to these guidelines?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> Praveen
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> &#3370;&#3405;&#3376;&#3381;&#3392;&#3363;&#3405;&#8205; &#3333;&#3376;&#3391;&#3374;&#3405;&#3370;&#3405;&#3376;&#3364;&#3405;&#3364;&#3402;&#3359;&#3391;&#3375;&#3391;&#3378;&#3405;&#8205;
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+</I>&gt;<i> rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as
+</I>&gt;<i> they follow the rules: laws and constitution.
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>i hope so too !
+... soon at mageia-gr.org
+
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+2010/9/18 SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sep 18, 2010, at 4:13 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi !
+</I>&gt;<i> You can find the greek translation here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/dimitrios/mageia_el.odt</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hope the new name gets a big support from Hellenic Penguins :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
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+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:03 AM, SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I don't believe that adhering to FSF will provide anything to Mageia/Mandriva users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm used to PLF, Flash plug-ins, video drivers, excellent hardware detection and other things that are part of the Mandriva experience.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's not shoot ourselves in the foot just for the sake of a small publicity stunt: if Debian doesn't make it to their list, I don't think we should even try.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My 2cents.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pravi.a at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dear Mageia folks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the kernel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is the FSF guidelines
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can we commit to these guidelines?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Praveen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#3370;&#3405;&#3376;&#3381;&#3392;&#3363;&#3405;&#8205; &#3333;&#3376;&#3391;&#3374;&#3405;&#3370;&#3405;&#3376;&#3364;&#3405;&#3364;&#3402;&#3359;&#3391;&#3375;&#3391;&#3378;&#3405;&#8205;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You have to keep reminding your government that you don't get your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rights from them; you give them permission to rule, only so long as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they follow the rules: laws and constitution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pravi.a at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Here is the FSF guidelines
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Can we commit to these guidelines?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Praveen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes
+to usability. Let's look at it from a community stand point and not some
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+<PRE>On Saturday, September 18, 2010 04:32:53 pm Olav Vitters wrote:
+&gt;<i> If you want some sysadmin assistance, I can help out. I'm one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME sysadmins, see <A HREF="http://live.gnome.org/SysadminTeam.">http://live.gnome.org/SysadminTeam.</A> I have
+</I>&gt;<i> experience with Bugzilla, Python, LDAP, etc. However, I never helped on
+</I>&gt;<i> infrastructure side of Mandriva (only triaged many years back).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One think I noticed is the self-signed certificate. Note that a free
+</I>&gt;<i> certificate for <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> can easily be created via
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.startssl.com/.">https://www.startssl.com/.</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For Mageia hosting, GNOME has one server and a VM @ osuosl.org. Though
+</I>&gt;<i> we don't use that machine much, I still have a very positive impression
+</I>&gt;<i> about the hosting (plus it is free:).
+</I>A free certificate would be great. Otherwise a lot of folks will be scared.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Saturday, September 18, 2010 03:48:35 pm Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that's almost 10 years ago!)
+</I>&gt;<i> then mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I hope I
+</I>&gt;<i> will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first, and
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I've made some packages for my
+</I>&gt;<i> own use).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and
+</I>&gt;<i> installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>I will certainly maintain the the packages I already do in Mandriva, more if I
+can
+I hope we'll stay with SVN as it the integration into the KDE desktop makes it
+easy for users.
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+<PRE>In my opinion, we should opt for usability. Unfortunately, we can not even
+use a software free proprietary drivers. My computer, for example, has a
+video card that is supported only by Mandriva and Opensuse because still do
+not have free drivers for her.
+
+
+
+2010/9/19 Jeremiah Summers &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jmiahman at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pravi.a at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the kernel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Here is the FSF guidelines
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Can we commit to these guidelines?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Praveen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes
+</I>&gt;<i> to usability. Let's look at it from a community stand point and not some
+</I>&gt;<i> hippies agenda. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+guidelines will needlessly shackle the distro into ideological issues.
+Something we can do without.
+
+Maybe we need to come out with a charter, manifesto of some sorts that
+defines the target of the distro. I have noticed many questioning the
+existence of Mageia...considering the plethora of options available...like
+Ubuntu, Fedora, Debian etc. Fedora has the the bleeding edge, Ubuntu has the
+refined and polished look while Debian has its ideological purity of DFSG.
+
+On 19-Sep-2010 8:46 AM, &quot;Jeremiah Summers&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jmiahman at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pravi.a at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,
+</I>&gt;<i>...
+</I>
+Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes
+to usability. Let's look at it from a community stand point and not some
+hippies agenda. Thanks.
+
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+From: Jeremiah Summers &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jmiahman at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Sun, September 19, 2010 3:15:51 AM
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+
+&gt;<i> On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pravi.a at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dear Mageia folks,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost for our
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very close
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the kernel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Here is the FSF guidelines
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Can we commit to these guidelines?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Praveen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it comes to
+usability. Let's look at it from a community stand point and not some hippies
+agenda. Thanks.
+
+
++1 The ease of installing multimedia codecs and graphics card drivers is one of
+the things I have always loved about Mandriva.
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+My names is Aracele. I'm brazilian and Mandriva user since 2007. I feel very
+sad with the news about Mandriva, it's my favorite distribuition. But, I'm
+very happy with the criation of the Mageia. A distribution made by the
+community is the best way not to become hostage of big business. I'm willing
+to help with the translation part and more as I can. ;)
+
+Cheers.
+
+
+2010/9/19 Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On Saturday, September 18, 2010 03:48:35 pm Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've been an user of mandrake since 7.0 (heyn that's almost 10 years
+</I>&gt;<i> ago!)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; then mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am very pleased to see the announce for this community fork, and I hope
+</I>&gt;<i> I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be able to help, probably by testing and providing feedback first,
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maybe contribute to the packaging (so far I've made some packages for my
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; own use).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And of course, when a first release will come I will be promoting it and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; installing in install parties at my local LUG :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> I will certainly maintain the the packages I already do in Mandriva, more
+</I>&gt;<i> if I
+</I>&gt;<i> can
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope we'll stay with SVN as it the integration into the KDE desktop makes
+</I>&gt;<i> it
+</I>&gt;<i> easy for users.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
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+will be the internet address of Mageia greek community
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+Please sign up at mandrivausers.org and move the discussions there.
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+<PRE> El 18/09/10 21:15, Jeremiah Summers escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sep 18, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Praveen A &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pravi.a at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pravi.a at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dear Mageia folks,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I believe getting FSF support for Mageia would be a huge boost
+</I>&gt;<i> for our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distro. Also there is no major distro in the list of FSF approved
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distributions, yet. We could be the first major/established distro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (well we have the legacy from Mandrake days) there. We are very
+</I>&gt;<i> close
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; already, I believe we have to let go of only non-free firmware from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Here is the FSF guidelines
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html">http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Can we commit to these guidelines?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Praveen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please NO! I have watched this ruin other Linux distributions when it
+</I>&gt;<i> comes to usability. Let's look at it from a community stand point and
+</I>&gt;<i> not some hippies agenda. Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+For me madriva success has been combining the best of free software
+with non free, there are things we do not have free software
+(Drivers, plugins, codecs, etc.), if we remove the closed software
+greatly affect the usability of the system, something that
+I personally do not like, much less to users who do not know about
+diference between free software and non free, who only want to operate
+their computers. I think
+to allow non-free software, the result is the best experience
+to the end user and the comfort of their hardware works. Sorry for my
+English.
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+
+I host/own mandrivausers.org and today purchased magieausers.org
+We (the mandrivausers community) will be discussing what we can offer over
+the next few days.
+Register on the site and join in :)
+
+Paul Willard.
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] On Behalf Of Sam Bailey
+Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 1:53 p.m.
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Web hosting for Mageia
+
+ Hi everyone,
+
+I've been a long time supporter of Mandriva and up until now have loved it.
+However I'm very glad to support the new Mageia.
+
+I am willing to host the Mageia forums/bugzilla/wiki/main site on my server
+at no cost.
+
+This would include hosting dns and email as needed.
+
+My server isn't doing much at the moment, but sits on a decent 100mb pipe in
+a datacenter in Melbourne, Australia.
+
+I've already mirrored the main site at: <A HREF="http://mageia.cyprix.com.au/">http://mageia.cyprix.com.au/</A>
+
+Could whoever needs to know please contact me so I can hand over auth
+details etc.
+
+Best of luck,
+
+--
+Sam Bailey
+
+Cyprix Enterprises
+Web: cyprix.com.au
+Em: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cyprix at cyprix.com.au</A>
+Mb: 0425 796 308
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 09:35:14PM -0700, herman wrote:
+&gt;<i> Please sign up at mandrivausers.org and move the discussions there.
+</I>
+Hi Herman,
+
+I feel trying to move discussions away from this mailinglist and on to a
+forum is not in the best interest of this new project. This list was
+specifically created by the project leaders to foster discussion on how
+the new project should operate and how to best interact with the hopefully
+abundant user community. As such, the discussion on having a forum is a
+good one to have here, I just feel that the unilateral creation of such a
+forum might be a bit premature. Perhaps it is more useful to provide a
+pointer to this mailinglist on said existing Mandriva fora.
+
+Just my 2 cents worth. Thanks for your enthusiasm!
+
+Kind regards,
+
+Remco
+
+PS. I do not represent Mageia in any way, other than being an interested
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+ <B>michael at margrave.biz</B>
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+<PRE>I was a user of Mandrake since 5.2, and I spent a couple of years in QA
+there (2000-2002).
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+I have sometime in with various versions of Python, and I have been
+working on porting euphoria to some processors. My work has included
+enterprise monitoring, video-on-demand from the internet cooked to TV
+quality for the cable customer, python development for high-availability
+and python development for babysitting routines that found problems like
+stuck queues and acted. My employers have included CTB/McGraw-Hill,
+Tellytopia, Google, Pearson, One I cannot mention, and Home Depot (for
+enterprise monitoring, and I made some Python extensions of Net_SNMP)
+
+Anyway, I have some GPL software to contribute which has never been
+released, and I can do packaging. I also have a server which could host
+code, but it doesn't have a lot of bandwidth. I could assemble a
+compilation clusster where I live, but the pipeline to it would have a lot
+of latency.
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+However I can help, I will.
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+Michael Moore aka Civileme
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+ <B>Paul Willard</B>
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+<PRE>I do not represent Mageia in anyway. :)
+I completely, and unequivocally represent mandrivausers.org board (MUB)
+(I'm the owner, administrator, founder, etc)
+
+Agreed, whether a community forum is required or not should be discussed
+here (the mailing list) and decided here, by either a) those who do
+represent Mageia, or b) the entire community.
+
+Having said that, I'm happy people like Herman are evangelists of
+mandrivausers :)
+
+The community forum discussion thus far is this:
+I was given direction by a user (tux99) that I should register the name
+mageiausers.org (which I have)
+I then spent a few hours in the IRC channel, and openly offered my support
+of the project.
+The people I spoke to in the channel were overwhelmed with work (surprise
+surprise :) ) so thanked me for my offer, and suggested we could talk more
+in a day or two.
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+I (as I'm an action based person) have since started discussions on
+mandrivausers about what this means to our community, with all the response
+thus far being positive; all users suggest offering our unfettered support
+is good for both the MUB community, and the developing Mageia Users
+community (MUC ?? :) )
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+I'd be over the moon if I could help, as would all the MUB people.
+I've got stacks and stacks of infrastructure thanks to osuosl.org (Oregon
+State), which has diminished into nothingness over the last 2 years as
+Mandriva Support has died out.
+
+Thanks Herman, I'll buy you a beer for your enthusiasm if we ever meet :)
+
+Paul Willard.
+A.K.A. TerminalAddict
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] On Behalf Of Remco Rijnders
+Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 5:02 p.m.
+To: Mageia general discussions
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
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+On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 09:35:14PM -0700, herman wrote:
+&gt;<i> Please sign up at mandrivausers.org and move the discussions there.
+</I>
+Hi Herman,
+
+I feel trying to move discussions away from this mailinglist and on to a
+forum is not in the best interest of this new project. This list was
+specifically created by the project leaders to foster discussion on how the
+new project should operate and how to best interact with the hopefully
+abundant user community. As such, the discussion on having a forum is a good
+one to have here, I just feel that the unilateral creation of such a forum
+might be a bit premature. Perhaps it is more useful to provide a pointer to
+this mailinglist on said existing Mandriva fora.
+
+Just my 2 cents worth. Thanks for your enthusiasm!
+
+Kind regards,
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+Remco
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+PS. I do not represent Mageia in any way, other than being an interested
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+ <B>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz</B>
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+<PRE>Le samedi 18 septembre 2010 19:55:47, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my important points are:
+</I>&gt;<i> * community (as a whole) gets a say about important points =&gt; some kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> system that makes this work without slowing us down. (multivoting of board
+</I>&gt;<i> members? every candidate could set up their viewpoints and people could
+</I>&gt;<i> register for voting and vote one or more members)
+</I>&gt;<i> * funding(?) -&gt; costs + hw
+</I>&gt;<i> * hyping! PR!
+</I>&gt;<i> * upgradable from mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> * policies!
+</I>&gt;<i> * diff between mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> * policy on gaming packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> * patented software? (PLF?)
+</I>&gt;<i> * free/non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> * CAN we make a stable release BEFORE christmas (a 2011.0)? i think we
+</I>&gt;<i> can!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> these are my viewpoints/questions
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;<i> AL13N
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+tyou took very importan points, as we are going to be different from mdva, i
+wonder PLF software should be in mainstream.
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+<PRE>bonjour
+je souhaite beaucoup de chance (et de travail) &#224; votre &#233;quipe et &#224; cette
+nouvelle distro.
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+Je pourrais faire quelques traductions, tests, selon mes moyens et mon
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+ <B>Glen Ogilvie</B>
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+I am a Mandriva contributor and was quite worried about the current
+situation and departures of staff at Mandriva. I have been thinking
+for a long time, a community based version of Mandriva would be good
+to ensure that the distribution is stronger than any one company.
+Looks like I am not the only one that had the idea of a community
+owned and run fork.
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+So, I'd like to be involved.
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+Regards
+Glen Ogilvie
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+<PRE>The Mandriva distribution has been dying by degrees over the last few
+years. The forum activity drying up is a reflection of the reduction in
+the number of new users.
+
+The news around the fork is bound to generate a new round of enthusiasm
+and new users should be encouraged. New users of course like web
+forums, since it doesn't require any setup and a user with a problem
+sorely needs an easy to use web forum.
+
+So, all new users coming here to figure out what the fork noise is all
+about, should be steered to the regular Mandriva downloads and
+mandrivausers.org. They should not be discouraged from using Mandriva.
+
+H.
+
+On Sat, 2010-09-18 at 22:24 -0700, Paul Willard wrote:
+&gt;<i> I do not represent Mageia in anyway. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> I completely, and unequivocally represent mandrivausers.org board (MUB)
+</I>&gt;<i> (I'm the owner, administrator, founder, etc)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed, whether a community forum is required or not should be discussed
+</I>&gt;<i> here (the mailing list) and decided here, by either a) those who do
+</I>&gt;<i> represent Mageia, or b) the entire community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having said that, I'm happy people like Herman are evangelists of
+</I>&gt;<i> mandrivausers :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The community forum discussion thus far is this:
+</I>&gt;<i> I was given direction by a user (tux99) that I should register the name
+</I>&gt;<i> mageiausers.org (which I have)
+</I>&gt;<i> I then spent a few hours in the IRC channel, and openly offered my support
+</I>&gt;<i> of the project.
+</I>&gt;<i> The people I spoke to in the channel were overwhelmed with work (surprise
+</I>&gt;<i> surprise :) ) so thanked me for my offer, and suggested we could talk more
+</I>&gt;<i> in a day or two.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I (as I'm an action based person) have since started discussions on
+</I>&gt;<i> mandrivausers about what this means to our community, with all the response
+</I>&gt;<i> thus far being positive; all users suggest offering our unfettered support
+</I>&gt;<i> is good for both the MUB community, and the developing Mageia Users
+</I>&gt;<i> community (MUC ?? :) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd be over the moon if I could help, as would all the MUB people.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've got stacks and stacks of infrastructure thanks to osuosl.org (Oregon
+</I>&gt;<i> State), which has diminished into nothingness over the last 2 years as
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Support has died out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks Herman, I'll buy you a beer for your enthusiasm if we ever meet :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Paul Willard.
+</I>&gt;<i> A.K.A. TerminalAddict
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -----Original Message-----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] On Behalf Of Remco Rijnders
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Sunday, 19 September 2010 5:02 p.m.
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 09:35:14PM -0700, herman wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please sign up at mandrivausers.org and move the discussions there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Herman,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I feel trying to move discussions away from this mailinglist and on to a
+</I>&gt;<i> forum is not in the best interest of this new project. This list was
+</I>&gt;<i> specifically created by the project leaders to foster discussion on how the
+</I>&gt;<i> new project should operate and how to best interact with the hopefully
+</I>&gt;<i> abundant user community. As such, the discussion on having a forum is a good
+</I>&gt;<i> one to have here, I just feel that the unilateral creation of such a forum
+</I>&gt;<i> might be a bit premature. Perhaps it is more useful to provide a pointer to
+</I>&gt;<i> this mailinglist on said existing Mandriva fora.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just my 2 cents worth. Thanks for your enthusiasm!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Kind regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS. I do not represent Mageia in any way, other than being an interested
+</I>&gt;<i> outsider :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> I was a user of Mandrake since 5.2, and I spent a couple of years in QA
+</I>&gt;<i> there (2000-2002).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have sometime in with various versions of Python, and I have been
+</I>&gt;<i> working on porting euphoria to some processors. My work has included
+</I>&gt;<i> enterprise monitoring, video-on-demand from the internet cooked to TV
+</I>&gt;<i> quality for the cable customer, python development for high-availability
+</I>&gt;<i> and python development for babysitting routines that found problems like
+</I>&gt;<i> stuck queues and acted. My employers have included CTB/McGraw-Hill,
+</I>&gt;<i> Tellytopia, Google, Pearson, One I cannot mention, and Home Depot (for
+</I>&gt;<i> enterprise monitoring, and I made some Python extensions of Net_SNMP)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, I have some GPL software to contribute which has never been
+</I>&gt;<i> released, and I can do packaging. I also have a server which could host
+</I>&gt;<i> code, but it doesn't have a lot of bandwidth. I could assemble a
+</I>&gt;<i> compilation clusster where I live, but the pipeline to it would have a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> of latency.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However I can help, I will.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Moore aka Civileme
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As just a simple user from early 2000, it is awesome to see the spirit
+of Mandrake still alive, the vitality of the &quot;sparkle&quot;, surviving all
+adversities. I am very appreciative and will do what little I can to
+support this spirit.
+Rolf
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+ <B>VARVOU Jean Michel</B>
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+I can test and report bugs, writing in a wiki, animate a forum,
+participate in the work of communication. But all this primarily in French.
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+ <B>Remco Rijnders</B>
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+&gt;<i> The Mandriva distribution has been dying by degrees over the last few
+</I>&gt;<i> years. The forum activity drying up is a reflection of the reduction in
+</I>&gt;<i> the number of new users.
+</I>
+Agreed and agreed. That's why I'm happy to see this Mageia initiative
+being taken; I think most of us on this list hope for this to turn into a
+succesful story. Too long have things been lingering as the result of poor
+designs and monetary problems.
+
+&gt;<i> The news around the fork is bound to generate a new round of enthusiasm
+</I>&gt;<i> and new users should be encouraged.
+</I>
+Agreed. That's why I think it's important that as long as the project
+homepage sends new users to this list to discuss, that that is the
+appropiate place for 'the official' discussion to take place. The last
+thing you want is for there to be confusion on who runs the project and
+what it's official home is. Even with the multitude of Mandriva sites it
+was through the years not clear which homepage was the right one to use
+and which was available for free or which only for club members. Same for
+download locations, etc.
+
+&gt;<i> New users of course like web forums, since it doesn't require any setup
+</I>&gt;<i> and a user with a problem sorely needs an easy to use web forum.
+</I>
+Perhaps for most new users this holds true. I personally am not a fan of
+web fora, but I realise that is just a personal preference. Registering to
+post on a forum or sending an email to a mailing list, both which require
+you to confirm your email address, seem to be equally complicated
+(simple!) to me.
+
+&gt;<i> So, all new users coming here to figure out what the fork noise is all
+</I>&gt;<i> about, should be steered to the regular Mandriva downloads and
+</I>&gt;<i> mandrivausers.org. They should not be discouraged from using Mandriva.
+</I>
+I'm not saying anyone should be discouraged from anything. Till the time
+that Mageira actually releases something, I'm more than fine with people
+opting to choose Mandriva.
+
+With that said though, I don't think we've heard anything on the position
+of Mandriva SA in all this yet. Perhaps they might be happy to work
+together with Mageia and even rebase their own distribution on it in due
+course, but they also might oppose this fork and fight it as much as they
+can. I don't know which way things will turn out, but I think we should
+not assume that everyone is fine with this, especially given the criticism
+given to Mandriva SA and its management. Also, the fact that Mandriva did
+not launch a community initiative like this themselves has me somewhat
+wary as to their position.
+
+Because of this, *if* we have to point users to a forum, I rather point
+them to mageiausers.org than mandrivausers.org. (And thank you Paul for
+registering this!). On that board we can then point users to the official
+mageia homepage, as well as encourage them to take part in the discussions
+on the board.
+
+But I remain of the opinion that your original call to move all discussion
+to the forum is premature at this point and that should such a call be
+made, that it should be done by a mageia representative unless we want to
+end up with 20 different fora who all want the discussion to take place on
+their board.
+
+Sincerely,
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+I am very happy with the new project.
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+I will surely try to help, I can test, translate, help with bugs, I'm a
+beginner packager
+but with a little training I will soon get better.
+
+I also can get involved in advertising as this is what I do, as a real
+life job in the last 4 years,
+as long I use mandriva, as a matter of fact. So if there are advertising
+related positions, I will surely
+get involved in that too.
+Thanks to people who made this possible.
+
+Regards,
+
+Ciprian
+--
+ Ciprian Stoica
+ <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cstoica at fastmail.fm</A>
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+ <B>Shawn Thompson</B>
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+licensing, etc? This would be a good place to start.
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+Good luck to all.
+Sorry for my English.
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+ <B>herman</B>
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+<PRE>Yes, there should only be *one* English forum and the
+mageiausers.org/mandrivausers.org forum should probably be it, because
+it already exists and is hosted for free by a FOSS supporting
+university.
+
+If multiple language fora are required, then they should all clearly
+reference each other so that users can click on a flag and jump to the
+other forum.
+
+We should avoid having multiple redundant and unknown/confusing fora
+like Mandriva currently has.
+
+Cheers,
+
+H.
+
+On Sat, 2010-09-18 at 23:14 -0700, Remco Rijnders wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 18, 2010 at 10:48:02PM -0700, herman wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The Mandriva distribution has been dying by degrees over the last few
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; years. The forum activity drying up is a reflection of the reduction in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the number of new users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed and agreed. That's why I'm happy to see this Mageia initiative
+</I>&gt;<i> being taken; I think most of us on this list hope for this to turn into a
+</I>&gt;<i> succesful story. Too long have things been lingering as the result of poor
+</I>&gt;<i> designs and monetary problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The news around the fork is bound to generate a new round of enthusiasm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and new users should be encouraged.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed. That's why I think it's important that as long as the project
+</I>&gt;<i> homepage sends new users to this list to discuss, that that is the
+</I>&gt;<i> appropiate place for 'the official' discussion to take place. The last
+</I>&gt;<i> thing you want is for there to be confusion on who runs the project and
+</I>&gt;<i> what it's official home is. Even with the multitude of Mandriva sites it
+</I>&gt;<i> was through the years not clear which homepage was the right one to use
+</I>&gt;<i> and which was available for free or which only for club members. Same for
+</I>&gt;<i> download locations, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; New users of course like web forums, since it doesn't require any setup
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and a user with a problem sorely needs an easy to use web forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps for most new users this holds true. I personally am not a fan of
+</I>&gt;<i> web fora, but I realise that is just a personal preference. Registering to
+</I>&gt;<i> post on a forum or sending an email to a mailing list, both which require
+</I>&gt;<i> you to confirm your email address, seem to be equally complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> (simple!) to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, all new users coming here to figure out what the fork noise is all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about, should be steered to the regular Mandriva downloads and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mandrivausers.org. They should not be discouraged from using Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not saying anyone should be discouraged from anything. Till the time
+</I>&gt;<i> that Mageira actually releases something, I'm more than fine with people
+</I>&gt;<i> opting to choose Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With that said though, I don't think we've heard anything on the position
+</I>&gt;<i> of Mandriva SA in all this yet. Perhaps they might be happy to work
+</I>&gt;<i> together with Mageia and even rebase their own distribution on it in due
+</I>&gt;<i> course, but they also might oppose this fork and fight it as much as they
+</I>&gt;<i> can. I don't know which way things will turn out, but I think we should
+</I>&gt;<i> not assume that everyone is fine with this, especially given the criticism
+</I>&gt;<i> given to Mandriva SA and its management. Also, the fact that Mandriva did
+</I>&gt;<i> not launch a community initiative like this themselves has me somewhat
+</I>&gt;<i> wary as to their position.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because of this, *if* we have to point users to a forum, I rather point
+</I>&gt;<i> them to mageiausers.org than mandrivausers.org. (And thank you Paul for
+</I>&gt;<i> registering this!). On that board we can then point users to the official
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia homepage, as well as encourage them to take part in the discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> on the board.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I remain of the opinion that your original call to move all discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> to the forum is premature at this point and that should such a call be
+</I>&gt;<i> made, that it should be done by a mageia representative unless we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> end up with 20 different fora who all want the discussion to take place on
+</I>&gt;<i> their board.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sincerely,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 herman &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because of this, *if* we have to point users to a forum, I rather point
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them to mageiausers.org than mandrivausers.org. (And thank you Paul for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> registering this!). On that board we can then point users to the official
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia homepage, as well as encourage them to take part in the discussions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on the board.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I remain of the opinion that your original call to move all discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to the forum is premature at this point and that should such a call be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> made, that it should be done by a mageia representative unless we want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> end up with 20 different fora who all want the discussion to take place on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their board.
+</I>
+Agreed from my side. I also see the best solution in the same system
+as it has been with Mandriva:
+ - one international main forum (mageiausers.org) for everybody with
+English as common language (although for Mandriva there are 2 large
+forums, one company-led, one independent)
+ - localized forums for non-english speakers - I guess most
+independant local organisations already &quot;signed up&quot; for Mageia :)
+
+At the independent German forum MandrivaUser.de we will change name to
+mageia.de soon (mandrivauser.de becoming a redirect to mageia.de) but
+we will still support users of Mandriva Linux and keep our repository
+and other Mandriva related stuff side by side with Mageia related
+stuff. Even when Mageia will release its own packages and/or release I
+agree that we should keep supporting Mandriva Linux users as well as
+long as possible.
+
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+ <B>Olav Dahlum</B>
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+recently the main channel operator on #mandriva, etc, I fully support
+this fork. Just tell me what you need me to do.
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 03:39, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 herman&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because of this, *if* we have to point users to a forum, I rather point
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> them to mageiausers.org than mandrivausers.org. (And thank you Paul for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> registering this!). On that board we can then point users to the official
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia homepage, as well as encourage them to take part in the discussions
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> on the board.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But I remain of the opinion that your original call to move all discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to the forum is premature at this point and that should such a call be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> made, that it should be done by a mageia representative unless we want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> end up with 20 different fora who all want the discussion to take place on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> their board.
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed from my side. I also see the best solution in the same system
+</I>&gt;<i> as it has been with Mandriva:
+</I>&gt;<i> - one international main forum (mageiausers.org) for everybody with
+</I>&gt;<i> English as common language (although for Mandriva there are 2 large
+</I>&gt;<i> forums, one company-led, one independent)
+</I>&gt;<i> - localized forums for non-english speakers - I guess most
+</I>&gt;<i> independant local organisations already &quot;signed up&quot; for Mageia :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the independent German forum MandrivaUser.de we will change name to
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.de soon (mandrivauser.de becoming a redirect to mageia.de) but
+</I>&gt;<i> we will still support users of Mandriva Linux and keep our repository
+</I>&gt;<i> and other Mandriva related stuff side by side with Mageia related
+</I>&gt;<i> stuff. Even when Mageia will release its own packages and/or release I
+</I>&gt;<i> agree that we should keep supporting Mandriva Linux users as well as
+</I>&gt;<i> long as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have bought and am pointing the domain <A HREF="http://www.mageia.ca">http://www.mageia.ca</A> to the
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> site. All of the best of luck. I will try to
+contribute more when I can.
+
+Best of luck.
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+Marc Par&#233;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>
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+On 10/09/18 21:44 +0200, Olivier M&#233;jean wrote:
+&gt;<i> I am no developer, no more do i package, i may do bug reports, so i can't help
+</I>&gt;<i> much on technical side. I am rather on advocate side, promote the distro i use
+</I>&gt;<i> (Mandriva for the moment, Mageia in the future)
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+every help is welcome, be it technical, advocate, documentation,
+translation... that's the power of a group: we're working each of us
+where we may do a difference.
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+all for this project and if there is anything that I could help with
+I'll be glad to lend a hand, I'm mainly a developer (C, C++, Python)
+and have some experience with packaging (tough I might need to update
+my packaging skills), I could also contribute Artwork if possible.
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+I am working with <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</A> (spanish speakers mandriva community
+) since 4 years ago, like Admin .
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+I am very excited about this project, becouse previously I was disagree with
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+at least to maintain the Firebird related packages
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+maybe I can help also sharing ideas on building the organization and
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+Philippe Makowski
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+It might be good to invite Ga&#235;l Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to
+Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference
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+Just to remember history, few links:
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+<A HREF="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</A>
+Mandriva Linux fires its founder
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+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</A>
+Ga&#235;l Duval
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+Harijs (AKA hbush)
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+Great idea, I thought two days ago, but with the nerves I forgot
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+2010/9/19 Harijs Buss &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">harijs at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Hi there! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It might be good to invite Ga&#235;l Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference
+</I>&gt;<i> betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to remember history, few links:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux fires its founder
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ga&#235;l Duval
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Harijs (AKA hbush)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 02:55:47, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my important points are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * community (as a whole) gets a say about important points =&gt; some kind
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; system that makes this work without slowing us down. (multivoting of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; board members? every candidate could set up their viewpoints and people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could register for voting and vote one or more members)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * funding(?) -&gt; costs + hw
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * hyping! PR!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * upgradable from mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * policies!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * diff between mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * policy on gaming packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * patented software? (PLF?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * free/non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * CAN we make a stable release BEFORE christmas (a 2011.0)? i think we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree that most questions here are important. Can I ask what you mean by
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;policy on gaming packages&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>
+
+This is a personal pov for myself. do we have enough diskspace to package
+games as well? should we do some kind of special packaging policy for content
+packages? etc... in the past with mdv there has been concerns about big
+packages and the required disk space, etc... in my pov games are an important
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Op zondag 19 september 2010 04:20:21 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 02:55:47, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; my important points are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * community (as a whole) gets a say about important points =&gt; some kind
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; system that makes this work without slowing us down. (multivoting of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; board members? every candidate could set up their viewpoints and people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; could register for voting and vote one or more members)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * funding(?) -&gt; costs + hw
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * hyping! PR!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * upgradable from mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * policies!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * diff between mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * policy on gaming packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * patented software? (PLF?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * free/non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; * CAN we make a stable release BEFORE christmas (a 2011.0)? i think we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; can!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I agree that most questions here are important. Can I ask what you mean by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;policy on gaming packages&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a personal pov for myself. do we have enough diskspace to package
+</I>&gt;<i> games as well? should we do some kind of special packaging policy for content
+</I>&gt;<i> packages? etc... in the past with mdv there has been concerns about big
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and the required disk space, etc... in my pov games are an important
+</I>&gt;<i> element of the targeted public.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My packaging work being mainly focused on games, I cannot disagree :)
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel
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+ <B>Gonzalo Igartua</B>
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+<PRE>In <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/">http://blogdrake.net/</A> we have a little repository for mandriva.
+
+One important point was games
+
+<A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/i586/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/i586/</A>
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+<A HREF="ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/noarch/">ftp://ftp.blogdrake.net/mandriva/2010.1/free/noarch/</A>
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+Performous, RigsofRods, Frogatto, gkaraoke, naev,zaz and more
+
+Like packager I am very interested in bringing games.
+
+All packages of our repository will be part of mageia repositories
+
+Cheers
+
+2010/9/19 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 13:19:11, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op zondag 19 september 2010 04:20:21 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 02:55:47, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Hello all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; my important points are:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * community (as a whole) gets a say about important points =&gt; some
+</I>&gt;<i> kind
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; system that makes this work without slowing us down. (multivoting of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; board members? every candidate could set up their viewpoints and
+</I>&gt;<i> people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; could register for voting and vote one or more members)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * funding(?) -&gt; costs + hw
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * hyping! PR!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * upgradable from mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * policies!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * diff between mdv
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * policy on gaming packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * patented software? (PLF?)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * free/non-free
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; * CAN we make a stable release BEFORE christmas (a 2011.0)? i think
+</I>&gt;<i> we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; can!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I agree that most questions here are important. Can I ask what you mean
+</I>&gt;<i> by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &quot;policy on gaming packages&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is a personal pov for myself. do we have enough diskspace to package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; games as well? should we do some kind of special packaging policy for
+</I>&gt;<i> content
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages? etc... in the past with mdv there has been concerns about big
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages and the required disk space, etc... in my pov games are an
+</I>&gt;<i> important
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; element of the targeted public.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My packaging work being mainly focused on games, I cannot disagree :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
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+Harijs Buss &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">harijs at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i> Hi there! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It might be good to invite Ga&#235;l Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference
+</I>&gt;<i> betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just to remember history, few links:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux fires its founder
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ga&#235;l Duval
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Harijs (AKA hbush)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5
+</I>Good idea !
+I had too but I did not dare.
+--
+A.Sala&#252;n
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to remember history, few links:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux fires its founder
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ga&#235;l Duval
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Harijs (AKA hbush)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good idea !
+</I>&gt;<i> I had too but I did not dare.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi there
+
+Just a quick notice as written in first announcement. We (people who
+launched that project) are very careful about what we would like this
+project: for sure it will not be agresssive towards Mandriva, no reason
+for this and it cannot help. We think there are good things in Mandriva
+Linux and some to be changed. Do it better and in a different way
+implying all community :). Everything that happened in Mandriva life is
+past and does not have anything to do with current starting project.
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+Cheers !
+
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:28:15 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Harijs Buss &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">harijs at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi there! :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It might be good to invite Ga&#235;l Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just to remember history, few links:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fir">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fir</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; es-its-founder Mandriva Linux fires its founder
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ga&#235;l Duval
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Harijs (AKA hbush)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good idea !
+</I>&gt;<i> I had too but I did not dare.
+</I>
+Personally i would not like to ask someone to be at the board, if they don't
+put a candicy forward for themselves.
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+I would however like alot more community input in some form or other, maybe
+voting, or voting of board members with diff agenda's or something. like a poll
+where you can choose more than one option.
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+eg: if all board members have slightly diff opinions about lesser important
+stuff, and that would be public info before voting (more than one person
+allowed to vote for), then you would have a clear picture of which of the
+lesser important stuff is more important.
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+or, no need to make this complex, from time to time a multiple poll about some
+stuff, so that we all transparently know where we stand as a community.
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It might be good to invite Ga&#235;l Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Just to remember history, few links:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux fires its founder
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ga&#235;l Duval
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Harijs (AKA hbush)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good idea !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had too but I did not dare.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a quick notice as written in first announcement. We (people who
+</I>&gt;<i> launched that project) are very careful about what we would like this
+</I>&gt;<i> project: for sure it will not be agresssive towards Mandriva, no reason
+</I>&gt;<i> for this and it cannot help. We think there are good things in Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux and some to be changed. Do it better and in a different way
+</I>&gt;<i> implying all community :). Everything that happened in Mandriva life is
+</I>&gt;<i> past and does not have anything to do with current starting project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+I have to agree with Anne on this one. We're clearly starting with clean
+pages here, so let's think this over.
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+Regards,
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+I have been user of Mandriva since 9.1 and before user of SuSe (the original
+German) and RedHat (I began on Linux with 5.0). I'm not tech-savyy so I like
+Mandriva because of its common people orientation.
+
+So I'm thinking if it's good to build an entire distribution from scratch.
+Would not be better to take one distro such as Fedora and then add what we
+can call &quot;the common people layer&quot; (DrakTools, Flash, Java, codecs, some
+software ...)? So the base system build (kernel, modules, patches, libs,
+dependencies ...) can be avoided and resources could be heading to the added
+value to the common people, the same added value that made Mandriva a great
+distro!
+
+I'm on economics and not on computer science so I can not help with this,
+but if some kind of advice is needed on financial, perfomance or social
+responsability reporting I could help :-)
+
+All the best,
+Jes&#250;s
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+2010/9/19 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It might be good to invite Ga&#235;l Duval, creator of Mandrake Linux, to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia board. At least as a principial gesture showing difference
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; betwen MandrakeSoft attitude and Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Just to remember history, few links:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder">http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/25171-mandriva-linux-fires-its-founder</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mandriva Linux fires its founder
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gael_Duval</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Ga&#235;l Duval
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Harijs (AKA hbush)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mandrake/Mandriva user since v.5
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Good idea !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I had too but I did not dare.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a quick notice as written in first announcement. We (people who
+</I>&gt;<i> launched that project) are very careful about what we would like this
+</I>&gt;<i> project: for sure it will not be agresssive towards Mandriva, no reason
+</I>&gt;<i> for this and it cannot help. We think there are good things in Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux and some to be changed. Do it better and in a different way
+</I>&gt;<i> implying all community :). Everything that happened in Mandriva life is
+</I>&gt;<i> past and does not have anything to do with current starting project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
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+</I>
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> site. All of the best of luck. I will try to
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+&gt;<i> \Everything that happened in Mandriva life is
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+Merci pour l'initiative Mageia, j'esp&#232;re que cette nouvelle distribution
+sera de type rolling release.
+Ou si ce n'est pas le cas, faites un d&#233;p&#244;t &#224; jour pour les applications
+phare comme vlc, firefox etc...
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+First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just incredible
+:<i>). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro, forums, web
+</I>sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to be able to start
+with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of different place will
+make it difficult to maintain. So it's not we don't want help or so, we are
+just taking some time to start properly and in a clean way so we can have
+all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can goes on as we saw
+some discussion on logos, design...
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+btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to start
+with servers and hosting.
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+Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)
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+HacKurx &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hackurx at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Bonjour,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Merci pour l'initiative Mageia, j'esp&#232;re que cette nouvelle
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution sera de type rolling release.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ou si ce n'est pas le cas, faites un d&#233;p&#244;t &#224; jour pour les
+</I>&gt;<i> applications phare comme vlc, firefox etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> Cela attirera &#233;norm&#233;ment d'utilisateur et vous d&#233;marquera des 700
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions existantes.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cordialement,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> HacKurx
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+&gt;<i> &#160; Yes, that would be a good move, but personally I would prefer a
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+I would love to see this too, but would prefer it be a private server
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+as soon as someone sends a control message and there is nothing we can do
+to stop it) A private server newsgroup can be controlled in ways usenet
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 14:53, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just
+</I>&gt;<i> incredible :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> forums, web sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> be able to start with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> different place will make it difficult to maintain. So it's not we don't
+</I>&gt;<i> want help or so, we are just taking some time to start properly and in a
+</I>&gt;<i> clean way so we can have all good conditions for contribution. But
+</I>&gt;<i> brainstorm can goes on as we saw some discussion on logos, design...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to
+</I>&gt;<i> start with servers and hosting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
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+Will donations also be used to keep the former Edge-IT team focused on
+Mageia?
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will donations also be used to keep the former Edge-IT team focused on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It's not fixed for now. We have to speak about this. But it can be an
+option.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+
+On Mandriva's Wiki there are some good documents on RPM packaging:
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+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/RPM">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Howto/RPM</A>
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+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Packaging/Tools/rpmlint">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Development/Packaging/Tools/rpmlint</A>
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+
+
+On Sep 19, 2010, at 1:49 AM, VARVOU Jean Michel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeanmichel.varvou at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I use Mandriva for many years. I will be happy to lend my support to the project.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can test and report bugs, writing in a wiki, animate a forum, participate in the work of communication. But all this primarily in French.
+</I>&gt;<i> I will be interested to train me to packaging if I find a tutor.
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+Nice!
+
+Could you start working in some advertisement for Mageia?
+
+Maybe start a thread to get all talented artists to get together and work on Mageia art, &quot;corporate image&quot; and all this.
+
+Don't ask what can you do: do it!
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+On Sep 19, 2010, at 2:08 AM, &quot;Ciprian Stoica&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cstoica at fastmail.fm</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am very happy with the new project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will surely try to help, I can test, translate, help with bugs, I'm a
+</I>&gt;<i> beginner packager
+</I>&gt;<i> but with a little training I will soon get better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also can get involved in advertising as this is what I do, as a real
+</I>&gt;<i> life job in the last 4 years,
+</I>&gt;<i> as long I use mandriva, as a matter of fact. So if there are advertising
+</I>&gt;<i> related positions, I will surely
+</I>&gt;<i> get involved in that too.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to people who made this possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ciprian
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ciprian Stoica
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cstoica at fastmail.fm</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fastmail.fm">http://www.fastmail.fm</A> - Or how I learned to stop worrying and
+</I>&gt;<i> love email again
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> The news around the fork is bound to generate a new round of enthusiasm
+</I>&gt;<i> and new users should be encouraged.
+</I>
+New users for Mageia (not seen yet) or new customers for Mandriva company?
+
+&gt;<i> So, all new users coming here to figure out what the fork noise is all
+</I>&gt;<i> about, should be steered to the regular Mandriva downloads and
+</I>&gt;<i> mandrivausers.org. They should not be discouraged from using Mandriva.
+</I>
+I think it would be essential for existing users of Mandriva to see
+clearly the position of Mageia vs. Mandriva.
+
+Pardon my &quot;politically incorrect&quot; questions, but nevertheless:
+
+1) Is Mageia just a publicity stunt to generate some more users for
+the same Mandriva, as it might be understood from your letter?
+
+2) Is Mageia a &quot;better Mandriva&quot; keeping good values of Mandriva, as
+it might be understood from Jerome Quelin letter in
+<A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/406058/">http://lwn.net/Articles/406058/</A> ?
+
+3) Is Mageia some completely new distribution to be built from scratch
+and having nothing in common with Mandriva Linux, as it might be
+understood from several letters here in mageia-discuss list?
+
+So, which is real position of Mageia (if any)?
+
+Harijs
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+<PRE>I just read a message from Ciprian Stoica about the same thing.
+
+Sure there are others.
+
+I'd recommend you all get together and start working on artwork, image, propaganda and such.
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+
+
+
+On Sep 19, 2010, at 2:27 AM, Shawn Thompson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">superfox436 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Okay, do we have any plans for artwork, site software, site content licensing, etc? This would be a good place to start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shawn
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+On Sep 19, 2010, at 12:57 AM, &quot;Cesar Vargas&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">VaCi0 at astrolabio.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello everybody, my name is Cesar Vargas (a.k.a. VaC|0) Blogdrake packager, I'm very happy with the creation of the Mageia. I'm willing to help with the packaging and more as I can.
+</I>&gt;<i> Good luck to all.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for my English.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Cesar Vargas
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will donations also be used to keep the former Edge-IT team focused on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not fixed for now. We have to speak about this. But it can be an
+</I>&gt;<i> option.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I would vote for it.
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 03:52:11AM -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have bought and am pointing the domain <A HREF="http://www.mageia.ca">http://www.mageia.ca</A> to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> site. All of the best of luck. I will try to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contribute more when I can.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just for the boards information, I've done the same for mageia.nl .
+</I>
+For the logs: mageia.de is finally registered on my name and will show
+the German announcement text including a link to mageia.org and
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 09:16, William Bagwell a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 19 September 2010, Maurice wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, that would be a good move, but personally I would prefer a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> newsgroup (simply because it's more convenient), if that were
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would love to see this too, but would prefer it be a private server
+</I>&gt;<i> newsgroup rather than a true usenet newsgroup. (One of those will happen
+</I>&gt;<i> as soon as someone sends a control message and there is nothing we can do
+</I>&gt;<i> to stop it) A private server newsgroup can be controlled in ways usenet
+</I>&gt;<i> groups can not be...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And *this* mailing list can be gated to the newsgroup once it is up and
+</I>&gt;<i> running as Mailman already has a &quot;Mail&lt;-&gt;News gateways&quot; built in.
+</I>
+Unfortunately, ISP's are in the habit of dropping Usenet access these
+days. The are fewer and fewer access points to the Usenet. Sign of the
+times.
+
+There should definitely be a formal mailist and forum board under the
+umbrella of the Mageia group. That way, the Mageia community will be in
+charge of its own communication process rather than be at the mercy of
+potential whim of mailist/forum owners. It is difficult to control and
+disseminate information when you are not in control of your own
+advertising tools. One just has to look at any formal foundation group
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pardon my &quot;politically incorrect&quot; questions, but nevertheless:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Is Mageia just a publicity stunt to generate some more users for
+</I>&gt;<i> the same Mandriva, as it might be understood from your letter?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Is Mageia a &quot;better Mandriva&quot; keeping good values of Mandriva, as
+</I>&gt;<i> it might be understood from Jerome Quelin letter in
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/406058/">http://lwn.net/Articles/406058/</A> &#160;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) Is Mageia some completely new distribution to be built from scratch
+</I>&gt;<i> and having nothing in common with Mandriva Linux, as it might be
+</I>&gt;<i> understood from several letters here in mageia-discuss list?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, which is real position of Mageia (if any)?
+</I>
+The real position is the one you can read in the announcement on
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A> - it was written by the founders of Mageia, not by
+any 3rd party. In this announcement it gives clear answers to your
+questions, especially the first question should be answered 100%.
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+<PRE>On Sep 19, 2010, at 3:12 AM, &quot;herman&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Yes, there should only be *one* English forum and the
+</I>&gt;<i> mageiausers.org/mandrivausers.org forum should probably be it, because
+</I>&gt;<i> it already exists and is hosted for free by a FOSS supporting
+</I>&gt;<i> university.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If multiple language fora are required, then they should all clearly
+</I>&gt;<i> reference each other so that users can click on a flag and jump to the
+</I>&gt;<i> other forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should avoid having multiple redundant and unknown/confusing fora
+</I>&gt;<i> like Mandriva currently has.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> H.
+</I>
+I agree 100%
+
+For example, Mandriva's official support forum for Spanish language is <A HREF="http://BlogDrake.net">http://BlogDrake.net</A>
+
+And it is self-evident that <A HREF="http://BlogDrake.net">http://BlogDrake.net</A> will become Mageia's official support forum for Spanish language
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+Salut,
+Sinner
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+Thank you for the initiative Mageia, I hope that this new distribution will
+be of type rolling release.
+Or if it is not the case, make a deposit up to date for the applications
+lighthouse as vlc, firefox etc....
+It will attract a great deal of user and will mark down you 700 existing
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+ <B>Dino Edwards</B>
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+this going. I have some ESX servers hosted in a datacenter. I can offer
+free hosting and space so you can deploy servers you may need for this
+project. They are not monster machines but I think they can be useful.
+
+
+
+I can also offer to write how-to's and guides in English and maybe Greek
+(got to brush up on my Greek), general IT support and advice on strategy
+and management and implementation of various projects.
+
+
+
+Cheers
+
+
+
+Dino Edwards (deeztek)
+
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+
+&gt;<i> On 2010-09-18 at 20:55 I said:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mailing lists are a good start, but we need to get a Web Forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> up and running as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that would be a good move, but personally I would prefer a
+</I>&gt;<i> newsgroup (simply because it's more convenient), if that were
+</I>&gt;<i> possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> /\/\aurice Batey (Retired in Surrey, UK)
+</I>&gt;<i> Using Mandriva 2010.1
+</I>
+Hi Maurice,
+
+I love USENET, been on it since mid 90's. But it's dying and new Linux users do not know that it even exists.
+
+Today web forum is the only way Mageia will be noticed.
+
+Sad but true.
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+
+&gt;<i> I have some resources (albeit limited) that I&#8217;m willing to offer to get
+</I>&gt;<i> this going. I have some ESX servers hosted in a datacenter. I can offer free
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting and space so you can deploy servers you may need for this project.
+</I>&gt;<i> They are not monster machines but I think they can be useful.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for your proposal ! we are working on a more general plan to collect
+all necessary ressources
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can also offer to write how-to&#8217;s and guides in English and maybe Greek
+</I>&gt;<i> (got to brush up on my Greek), general IT support and advice on strategy and
+</I>&gt;<i> management and implementation of various projects.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Great, we will need you :) Stay tuned we will start soon to give more
+information to organize contributions
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dino Edwards (deeztek)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +00-1-443-203-9415
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> \Everything that happened in Mandriva life is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> past and does not have anything to do with current starting project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.&quot;
+</I>
+Indeed. But unrelated. Anne did not mean to &quot;forget&quot; what happened (and we certainly won't).
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+Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just
+</I>&gt;<i> incredible :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for
+</I>&gt;<i> distro, forums, web sites... we are starting working on it and we
+</I>&gt;<i> would like to be able to start with clean situation. Having it
+</I>&gt;<i> dispatched in lots of different place will make it difficult to
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain. So it's not we don't want help or so, we are just
+</I>&gt;<i> taking some time to start properly and in a clean way so we can
+</I>&gt;<i> have all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can
+</I>&gt;<i> goes on as we saw some discussion on logos, design...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need
+</I>&gt;<i> to start with servers and hosting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+With so much interest in a new project, I'm sure there will be
+plenty of people willing to donate some start-up money, but can you
+also please set up a system for monthly donations? It's difficult
+for any organisation to plan ongoing activities without having some
+idea of ongoing funding.
+
+--
+Margot
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With so much interest in a new project, I'm sure there will be
+</I>&gt;<i> plenty of people willing to donate some start-up money, but can you
+</I>&gt;<i> also please set up a system for monthly donations? It's difficult
+</I>&gt;<i> for any organisation to plan ongoing activities without having some
+</I>&gt;<i> idea of ongoing funding.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's a good idea indeed. We will dig in it.
+Cheers
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Margot
+</I>&gt;<i> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+</I>&gt;<i> **Otford Ducks Computers**
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+</I>&gt;<i> ...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
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+&gt;<i> On Sep 19, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Maurice &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mailing lists are a good start, but we need to get a Web Forum
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; up and running as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, that would be a good move, but personally I would prefer a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; newsgroup (simply because it's more convenient), if that were
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; possible.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Maurice,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I love USENET, been on it since mid 90's. But it's dying and new Linux users do not know that it even exists.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today web forum is the only way Mageia will be noticed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sad but true.
+</I>
+But one thing doesn't have to exclude the other, does it? Even though
+having NNTP groups may not be very visible, I would be happy having them.
+Perhaps even some gatewaying can be done not just between the mailing list
+and the newsgroups, but perhaps even to the forum boards?
+
+Besides... despite what the popular opinion might be, you don't have to be
+a rocket scientist to be on usenet! Many newsgroups have actually improved
+in quality in recent years in my opinion.
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+Kind regards,
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+I made a logo for Mageia:
+<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
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+Is there any contest or something else?
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 09:44:50AM -0400, SinnerBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sep 19, 2010, at 8:36 AM, Maurice &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mailing lists are a good start, but we need to get a Web Forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; up and running as soon as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;Yes, that would be a good move, but personally I would prefer a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; newsgroup (simply because it's more convenient), if that were
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Maurice,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I love USENET, been on it since mid 90's. But it's dying and new Linux users do not know that it even exists.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Today web forum is the only way Mageia will be noticed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sad but true.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But one thing doesn't have to exclude the other, does it? Even though
+</I>&gt;<i> having NNTP groups may not be very visible, I would be happy having them.
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps even some gatewaying can be done not just between the mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> and the newsgroups, but perhaps even to the forum boards?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Besides... despite what the popular opinion might be, you don't have to be
+</I>&gt;<i> a rocket scientist to be on usenet! Many newsgroups have actually improved
+</I>&gt;<i> in quality in recent years in my opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Kind regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Although it's true what you say about usenet (I remember a very good
+time on oulm (was that correct?)) and I loved reading lots of groups
+with Emacs-Gnus, today the webforums are the way to go in userland as
+mailinglists are the preferred plattforms in devland.
+
+I think the main goal should be to keep everything as centralized as
+possible. Announcements (to the users and the public) must be in the
+same place as user discussions and support. Gates from one to another
+platform are there but they are also sources of missing mails/postings
+or inconsistent discussion threads.
+
+The chaotic way of news publishing at Mandriva (sometimes even hidden
+in blogs), discussions of the same topic taking place in several
+plattforms (see MUGs forum and mailing list) was a nightmare, let's
+not repeat the mistake.
+
+wobo
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+2010/9/19 gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
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+gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>
+ so Nice :)
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+Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _________________________
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+&gt;<i> Oh, very cool!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>
+Yes, the image looks cool and I do not have a constructive comment.
+But to me this is a very strong reminder of Mandrakelinux.
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+2010/9/19 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oh, very cool!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/19 gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, the image looks cool and I do not have a constructive comment.
+</I>&gt;<i> But to me this is a very strong reminder of Mandrakelinux.
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+&gt;<i> Le 19 sept. 2010 &#224; 14:51, Harijs Buss &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">harijs at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> \Everything that happened in Mandriva life is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> past and does not have anything to do with current starting project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed. But unrelated. Anne did not mean to &quot;forget&quot; what happened (and we certainly won't).
+</I>
+I'm not sure about this question to ask Ga&#235;l, I understand the reasons
+Anne gave, but OTOH Ga&#235;l still has a name in Open Source and he would
+attract some attention.
+But then again it would look as if Mageia wants to correct mistakes
+Mandriva made - well, that's true in a way, isn't it?
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+wobo
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+&gt;<i> Pardon my &quot;politically incorrect&quot; questions, but nevertheless:
+</I>
+there are no politcally incorrect questions. with mageia, we'll try to
+be as transparent as possible, to avoid doing the same errors (come on,
+there are a whole lot of other possible mistakes to be done! :-) )
+
+&gt;<i> 1) Is Mageia just a publicity stunt to generate some more users for
+</I>&gt;<i> the same Mandriva, as it might be understood from your letter?
+</I>
+no. mageia is a mandriva fork, and there's no plan to re-unite the
+forks. there will be 2 separated distributions, each with their own
+goals &amp; achievements.
+
+
+&gt;<i> 2) Is Mageia a &quot;better Mandriva&quot; keeping good values of Mandriva, as
+</I>&gt;<i> it might be understood from Jerome Quelin letter in
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/406058/">http://lwn.net/Articles/406058/</A> ?
+</I>
+note that the mail i sent to cooker mailing list was just a copy of
+ <A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>
+
+the goal is to use mandriva as the technical base, and grow it as a
+community-oriented project. so we aim at keeping what's good in
+mandriva, and enhance it where it's needed.
+
+
+&gt;<i> 3) Is Mageia some completely new distribution to be built from scratch
+</I>&gt;<i> and having nothing in common with Mandriva Linux, as it might be
+</I>&gt;<i> understood from several letters here in mageia-discuss list?
+</I>
+it's a fork: the base will be mandriva. but once mageia's infrastructure
+is in place, we'll start updating packages &amp; the distribution as a whole
+- this means that codebase will diverge more &amp; more with time.
+
+i hope this answers your questions.
+
+j&#233;r&#244;me
+--
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+<PRE>Thanks everybody for comments.
+
+I've tried to made something related to mandrake and magic with same colours
+as mandriva logo has got. The result is what you can see.
+
+
+Bye :-)
+
+
+
+On Domingo, 19 de Septiembre de 2010 16:18:43 Wolfgang Bornath escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oh, very cool!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/19 gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, the image looks cool and I do not have a constructive comment.
+</I>&gt;<i> But to me this is a very strong reminder of Mandrakelinux.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 10:23, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 19 sept. 2010 &#224; 14:51, Harijs Buss&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">harijs at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Anne nicolas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> \Everything that happened in Mandriva life is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> past and does not have anything to do with current starting project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed. But unrelated. Anne did not mean to &quot;forget&quot; what happened (and we certainly won't).
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure about this question to ask Ga&#235;l, I understand the reasons
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne gave, but OTOH Ga&#235;l still has a name in Open Source and he would
+</I>&gt;<i> attract some attention.
+</I>&gt;<i> But then again it would look as if Mageia wants to correct mistakes
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva made - well, that's true in a way, isn't it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>I think the underlying note here is that if Ga&#235;l wishes to take part in
+the project, then he will join and contribute on his own if he wishes. I
+am sure he knows about this by now.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> no. mageia is a mandriva fork, and there's no plan to re-unite the
+</I>&gt;<i> forks. there will be 2 separated distributions, each with their own
+</I>&gt;<i> goals &amp; achievements.
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> it's a fork: the base will be mandriva. but once mageia's infrastructure
+</I>&gt;<i> is in place, we'll start updating packages &amp; the distribution as a whole
+</I>&gt;<i> - this means that codebase will diverge more &amp; more with time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Not really, IMHO. Nothing stops Mandriva company from using Mageia packages,
+nor Mageia project from using Mandriva work at any time in the future. WDYT?
+Similarly, nothing prevents Mageia from sharing code and resources with the
+rest of Linux community, distros etc.
+
+If so, I would rephrase that statement:
+Mageia has forked the Mandriva company, where the distro had been developed so
+far. This means that the Mageia project is and will forever be an autonomous
+project, not depending on the Mandriva company. Mageia is free, community
+based.
+
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+&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Le 19 sept. 2010 &#224; 16:35, P. Christeas a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 19 September 2010, gejo wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (hope Mandriva company doesn't mind about the star)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I was thinking exactly the same thing when I saw that logo.
+
+Maybe the star should be replaced by something related to &quot;community&quot;.
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+</I>&gt;<i> If so, I would &#160;rephrase that statement:
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia has forked the Mandriva company, where the distro had been developed so
+</I>&gt;<i> far. This means that the Mageia project is and will forever be an autonomous
+</I>&gt;<i> project, not depending on the Mandriva company. Mageia is free, community
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+Well, strictly speaking you are mixing 2 different things:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 19 sept. 2010 &#224; 16:35, P. Christeas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sunday 19 September 2010, gejo wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (hope Mandriva company doesn't mind about the star)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was thinking exactly the same thing when I saw that logo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe the star should be replaced by something related to &quot;community&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>
+
+I can't imagine a figure for community, but what about a moon, or half
+moon instead of a star?
+
+
+--
+Diego Bello Carre&#241;o
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+<PRE> Love it !
+
+May I suggest you to try a more abstract version (less figurative) ? I'm
+not sure it will render as well when reduced in the top left corner of
+future Mageia gnome desktop ;)
+Can't try myself, I can't draw.
+
+Thanks
+
+Le 19/09/2010 16:14, gejo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 16:53, Diego Bello a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Daniel Le Berre &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">le.berred at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 19 sept. 2010 &#224; 16:35, P. Christeas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sunday 19 September 2010, gejo wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (hope Mandriva company doesn't mind about the star)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was thinking exactly the same thing when I saw that logo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe the star should be replaced by something related to &quot;community&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't imagine a figure for community, but what about a moon, or half
+</I>&gt;<i> moon instead of a star?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Couldn't find a good proposal either.
+
+What about shaking hands?
+
+Daniel
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+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Anne nicolas&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: &quot;mageia-discuss&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:53:10 AM
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+Hi there
+
+
+First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just incredible :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro, forums, web sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to be able to start with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of different place will make it difficult to maintain. So it's not we don't want help or so, we are just taking some time to start properly and in a clean way so we can have all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can goes on as we saw some discussion on logos, design...
+
+
+btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to start with servers and hosting.
+
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+Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)
+
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+<PRE>I would make a logo basically between a monitor and an orb (meaning the
+'magic' of the distro and technology at the same time - the technology
+magic) ...
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Farfouille &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">farfouille64 at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Love it !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> May I suggest you to try a more abstract version (less figurative) ? I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure it will render as well when reduced in the top left corner of
+</I>&gt;<i> future Mageia gnome desktop ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't try myself, I can't draw.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 16:14, gejo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks.
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+ <B>Lirodon</B>
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+a penguin footprint or something. If we make the potential occultness as
+moot as possible, that'd be okay. I can't think of any other magic symbols
+already trademarked by a third-party Linux vendor. :X
+
+Shawn
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:19 AM, isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Yeah, you should stick a fork into it.;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Oh, very cool!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/19 gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, the image looks cool and I do not have a constructive comment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But to me this is a very strong reminder of Mandrakelinux.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I'm about to register the .in domain name- mageialinux.in or
+mageia.in. I might also go in for something like 10GB disk space
+through godaddy.com. I'm hoping that this will be of use to the
+community. I'd some feedback through experienced users as I'm a newbie
+to web hosting and domain registrations :)
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+<PRE>This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think?
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+<A HREF="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</A>
+
+We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro.
+
+Any ideas without repeating concepts?
+
+Greetings;)
+----- Mensaje original -----
+De: Farfouille
+Enviado: 19-09-10 16:54
+Para: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+Love it ! May I suggest you to try a more abstract version (less figurative) ? I'm not sure it will render as well when reduced in the top left corner of future Mageia gnome desktop ;) Can't try myself, I can't draw. Thanks Le 19/09/2010 16:14, gejo a &#233;crit : &gt; I made a logo for Mageia: &gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A> &gt; &gt; Is there any contest or something else? &gt; &gt; I accept any constructive comments ;-) &gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks. &gt; _______________________________________________ &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A> &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Daniel Le Berre &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">le.berred at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 19 sept. 2010 &#224; 16:35, P. Christeas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sunday 19 September 2010, gejo wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ++
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (hope Mandriva company doesn't mind about the star)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was thinking exactly the same thing when I saw that logo.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe the star should be replaced by something related to &quot;community&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Daniel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't imagine a figure for community, but what about a moon, or half
+</I>&gt;<i> moon instead of a star?
+</I>
+
+I don't think we have to avoid stars, just one star that looks like the
+one Mandriva uses. Nobody can have a monopoly on stars in every colour
+and shape.
+
+This is my idea for a logo (it's just a rough draft):
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxtech.net/files/mageia-logo-draft1.jpg">http://www.linuxtech.net/files/mageia-logo-draft1.jpg</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxtech.net/files/mageia-logo-draft1.svg">http://www.linuxtech.net/files/mageia-logo-draft1.svg</A>
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+<A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
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+Great!!!
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+Cheers
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+2010/9/19 nosXw &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mail.nosxw at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
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+&gt;<i> This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any ideas without repeating concepts?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Greetings;)
+</I>
+The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to
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+<PRE>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, nosXw wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+That makes me think of black magic, Mageia is white magic!
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+<PRE> Le 19/09/2010 17:23, Gonzalo Igartua a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> nosXw
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Great!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 nosXw &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mail.nosxw at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mail.nosxw at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another logo by an blogdrake.net &lt;<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>&gt; user,
+</I>&gt;<i> GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+</I>I like too. Very nice
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 15:49:57, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; With so much interest in a new project, I'm sure there will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; plenty of people willing to donate some start-up money, but can you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also please set up a system for monthly donations? It's difficult
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for any organisation to plan ongoing activities without having some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; idea of ongoing funding.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a good idea indeed. We will dig in it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Someone on irc suggested to have a look to how Linux Mint manages donations :
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxmint.com/donors.php">http://www.linuxmint.com/donors.php</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxmint.com/sponsors.php">http://www.linuxmint.com/sponsors.php</A>
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+It doesn't look bad.
+
+Samuel
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+ <B>Malcer Quaid</B>
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+<PRE>Well, I like the font.
+Better a minimalist design to fit more modern and professional? A flat and smooth color, for example.
+
+;)
+
+Malcer
+----- Mensaje original -----
+De: Tux99
+Enviado: 19-09-10 17:23
+Para: Mageia general discussions
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
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+On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Malcer Quaid wrote: &gt; This is my idea for a Mageia logo. What do you think? &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</A> &gt; &gt; We need something to put on the menu buttons, which give personality to the distro. &gt; &gt; Any ideas without repeating concepts? &gt; &gt; Greetings;) The font is not bad, but the colour is too dark and I think it needs to be svg (vector graphics) to be usable. _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
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+ <B>John Schneiderman</B>
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+I'm sorry but I've lost the first discussion on this topic, as I just
+subscribed to the list, and there are not archives yet in the mailman
+page.
+
+I've been providing hosting for Blogdrake project the last few years.
+And now we live in OVH's Paris datacenters (<A HREF="http://www.ovh.net">http://www.ovh.net</A>). Our
+las acquisition is a new server kimsufi 250G
+(<A HREF="http://www.kimsufi.com/ks/">http://www.kimsufi.com/ks/</A>) just installed with Mandriva 2010.1 and
+that is not in use yet. That will be the home of Blogdrake.net,
+Noticiasdrale.net and related projects...
+
+What I wanted to say is that OVH is a very, very reliable, fast, and
+good provider. We're very happy with them, and their ranges and prices
+of servers are of a very good quality/price.
+
+Even, they provide mirroring for some free software projects, and
+maybe, as a french provider, they could be receptive to collaborate
+with Mageia in some way (I don't eally know, but it's just an idea).
+
+Anyway, if you need anything, please don't hesitate to ask for help to
+Spanish-speaking community.
+
+Hasta Pronto
+
+--
+&#160;F&#233;lix Martos Trenado
+
+
+
+
+2010/9/19 Lawrence A Fossi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comcast.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hopefully a paypal button will appear on the mageia site soon :)
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Original Message -----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;Anne nicolas&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: &quot;mageia-discuss&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:53:10 AM
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First a big thank to all support for mageia project. This is just incredible
+</I>&gt;<i> :). About infrastructure, meaning build system for distro, forums, web
+</I>&gt;<i> sites... we are starting working on it and we would like to be able to start
+</I>&gt;<i> with clean situation. Having it dispatched in lots of different place will
+</I>&gt;<i> make it difficult to maintain. So it's not&#160;we don't want help or so, we are
+</I>&gt;<i> just taking some time to start properly and in a clean way so we can have
+</I>&gt;<i> all good conditions for contribution. But brainstorm can goes on as we saw
+</I>&gt;<i> some discussion on logos, design...
+</I>&gt;<i> btw we should have soon a way to accept donations as we will need to start
+</I>&gt;<i> with servers and hosting.
+</I>&gt;<i> Again thanks for all this support and long life to Mageia :)
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Sep 19 00:48:35 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 19 23:58:29 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 292<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001898.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Praveen A
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000105.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Praveen A
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000072.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="72">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001955.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Bagwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Web hosting for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001991.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001956.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001963.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001989.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="36">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000038.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="38">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001928.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001964.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001966.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001983.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001990.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001935.html">[Mageia-discuss] TEST please ignore
+</A><A NAME="1935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000020.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="20">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000049.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="49">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000075.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="75">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001936.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001951.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001960.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001993.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000000.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="0">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="6">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="95">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001954.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001980.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001987.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000001.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000024.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="24">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="5">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="9">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000019.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="19">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="21">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001912.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000154.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien DAL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001929.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm fully behind this move.
+</A><A NAME="1929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001942.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hmm.
+</A><A NAME="1942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001946.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000061.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="61">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="64">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000116.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001996.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000059.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="59">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="60">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="63">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="71">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="23">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="27">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="1969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dino Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="92">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alaa Elian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001908.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris Evans
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="11">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001995.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000012.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="12">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000094.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="94">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001899.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Walt Frampus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000004.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm on board with this
+</A><A NAME="4">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Walt Frampus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001947.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jes&#250;s Garc&#237;a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001889.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping
+</A><A NAME="1889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia greek community
+</A><A NAME="1910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="16">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="83">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001952.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="47">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000054.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="54">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000057.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="57">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001933.html">[Mageia-discuss] About me
+</A><A NAME="1933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001937.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001941.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering help
+</A><A NAME="143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JOSE-Glasnosh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001907.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registration of mageialinux.in and some web space...
+</A><A NAME="1998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="7">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001997.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering all my help, and adding me to the list.
+</A><A NAME="155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="31">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LuismaGo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001886.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000025.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="25">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000046.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="46">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000119.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000129.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000142.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000147.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000151.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Brian Maddox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="29">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001949.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001948.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000055.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="55">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="56">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="76">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="78">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="80">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="73">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000117.html">[Mageia-discuss] Perhaps I can help
+</A><A NAME="117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Molnar
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping
+</A><A NAME="1919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001930.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000043.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="43">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000058.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="58">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000066.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="66">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000070.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="70">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000144.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000149.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping if I can
+</A><A NAME="1921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000065.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="65">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000091.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="91">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000068.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="68">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="96">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001999.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="17">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000085.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="85">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="98">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001931.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] community magazine of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001984.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001917.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000037.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="37">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001914.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001923.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001950.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000158.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001943.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000040.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="40">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000044.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="44">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000048.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="48">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000109.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000156.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001887.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia greek community
+</A><A NAME="81">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000146.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000062.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="62">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="77">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="14">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000018.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="18">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="34">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Moreau Serge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="52">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart Simons
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001900.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001958.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001959.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm with Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001961.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork, and perhaps the web site too
+</A><A NAME="1961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001962.html">[Mageia-discuss] Presentation
+</A><A NAME="1962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001967.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000041.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="41">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000042.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="42">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000079.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="79">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000082.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="82">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="86">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="88">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000039.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="39">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Doing my little bit
+</A><A NAME="111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001924.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm with Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ciprian Stoica
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="53">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ciprian Stoica
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001903.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeremiah Summers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Taylor
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="50">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="74">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000150.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001925.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork, and perhaps the web site too
+</A><A NAME="1925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shawn Thompson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001906.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aracele Torres
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aracele Torres
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000107.html">[Mageia-discuss] French Traduction
+</A><A NAME="107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="3">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tulum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002000.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002004.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000015.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="15">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="99">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000148.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001932.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to lend a hand
+</A><A NAME="1932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000051.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="51">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001895.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001939.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001945.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="8">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="13">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000022.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="22">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000030.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="30">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="32">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="33">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000087.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="87">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000100.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000153.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001926.html">[Mageia-discuss] Presentation
+</A><A NAME="1926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Making this list more efficient
+</A><A NAME="145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000089.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="89">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bersuit Vera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001897.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001940.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="69">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000084.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="84">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="28">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001890.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing Paul Willard
+</A><A NAME="1890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Web hosting for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001916.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001902.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Muhammad Najmi Ahmad Zabidi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001918.html">[Mageia-discuss] salut tous
+</A><A NAME="1918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>deny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000035.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="35">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001911.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001920.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001927.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000045.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="45">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>hermit
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001982.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="26">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000093.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="93">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000097.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="97">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001934.html">[Mageia-discuss] Count me in
+</A><A NAME="1934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001915.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping if I can
+</A><A NAME="1915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>michael at margrave.biz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001944.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001953.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001957.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="1971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000152.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002001.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nosXw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nosXw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="90">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001892.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greetings
+</A><A NAME="1892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nor thern
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001938.html">[Mageia-discuss] test
+</A><A NAME="1938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bubar at tuxfamily.org
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000162.html">[Mageia-discuss] flickr group for logo proposals
+</A><A NAME="162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="67">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 19 23:58:29 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 15:42:58 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>19 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Sep 19 00:48:35 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 19 23:58:29 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 292<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001886.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001887.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001889.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping
+</A><A NAME="1889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001890.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing Paul Willard
+</A><A NAME="1890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Brian Maddox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001892.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greetings
+</A><A NAME="1892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nor thern
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001895.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Web hosting for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001897.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001898.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Praveen A
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001899.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Walt Frampus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001900.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001902.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Muhammad Najmi Ahmad Zabidi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001903.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeremiah Summers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001906.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aracele Torres
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001907.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001908.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris Evans
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aracele Torres
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia greek community
+</A><A NAME="1910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001911.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001912.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Web hosting for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001926.html">[Mageia-discuss] Presentation
+</A><A NAME="1926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001915.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping if I can
+</A><A NAME="1915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>michael at margrave.biz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001914.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001916.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001917.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001918.html">[Mageia-discuss] salut tous
+</A><A NAME="1918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>deny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping if I can
+</A><A NAME="1921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping
+</A><A NAME="1919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001920.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001924.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm with Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ciprian Stoica
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001923.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001925.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork, and perhaps the web site too
+</A><A NAME="1925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shawn Thompson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001927.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001928.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001930.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001929.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm fully behind this move.
+</A><A NAME="1929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001931.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] community magazine of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001932.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to lend a hand
+</A><A NAME="1932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001933.html">[Mageia-discuss] About me
+</A><A NAME="1933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001934.html">[Mageia-discuss] Count me in
+</A><A NAME="1934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001935.html">[Mageia-discuss] TEST please ignore
+</A><A NAME="1935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001939.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001938.html">[Mageia-discuss] test
+</A><A NAME="1938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bubar at tuxfamily.org
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001936.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001937.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001940.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001941.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001942.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hmm.
+</A><A NAME="1942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001943.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001944.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001945.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001946.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001947.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jes&#250;s Garc&#237;a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001949.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001948.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001951.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001950.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001952.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001953.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001954.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001955.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Bagwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001957.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001956.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001958.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="67">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001959.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm with Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001960.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001961.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork, and perhaps the web site too
+</A><A NAME="1961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001962.html">[Mageia-discuss] Presentation
+</A><A NAME="1962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001964.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001966.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001963.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="1969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dino Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001967.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="1971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001980.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001982.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001983.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001984.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001987.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001989.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001990.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001995.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001991.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002000.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001993.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001996.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001997.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001999.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registration of mageialinux.in and some web space...
+</A><A NAME="1998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002001.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nosXw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002004.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000000.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="0">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="6">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000001.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="3">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tulum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000004.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm on board with this
+</A><A NAME="4">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Walt Frampus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000012.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="12">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="5">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="7">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="8">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="9">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="11">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="13">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="14">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000015.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="15">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="16">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="17">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000018.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="18">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000019.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="19">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="21">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000022.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="22">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000020.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="20">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="23">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000024.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="24">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000025.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="25">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="26">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="27">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="29">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000030.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="30">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="28">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="31">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LuismaGo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="32">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="33">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="34">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Moreau Serge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000035.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="35">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000037.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="37">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000041.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="41">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000039.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="39">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="36">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000040.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="40">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000042.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="42">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="47">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000043.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="43">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000044.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="44">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000038.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="38">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000045.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="45">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000046.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="46">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000048.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="48">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="52">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart Simons
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000049.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="49">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="50">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000068.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="68">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000051.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="51">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="53">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ciprian Stoica
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000054.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="54">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000055.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="55">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="56">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000057.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="57">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000058.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="58">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="64">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000059.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="59">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="60">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000061.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="61">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000062.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="62">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="63">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000065.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="65">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000066.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="66">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="69">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000072.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="72">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000070.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="70">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="71">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="96">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="73">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="74">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="76">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="77">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="78">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000075.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="75">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000079.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="79">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="80">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000082.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="82">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia greek community
+</A><A NAME="81">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="83">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000084.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="84">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000085.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="85">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="86">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000087.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="87">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="88">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000089.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="89">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bersuit Vera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="90">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000091.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="91">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="92">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alaa Elian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000093.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="93">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="95">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000094.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="94">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000097.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="97">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="98">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="99">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000100.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000105.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Praveen A
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000107.html">[Mageia-discuss] French Traduction
+</A><A NAME="107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000109.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Doing my little bit
+</A><A NAME="111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000117.html">[Mageia-discuss] Perhaps I can help
+</A><A NAME="117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Molnar
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000116.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000119.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000129.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Taylor
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>hermit
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000142.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering help
+</A><A NAME="143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JOSE-Glasnosh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000144.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Making this list more efficient
+</A><A NAME="145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000146.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000147.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000148.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000149.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000150.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000151.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000152.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000153.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000154.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien DAL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering all my help, and adding me to the list.
+</A><A NAME="155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000156.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000158.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000162.html">[Mageia-discuss] flickr group for logo proposals
+</A><A NAME="162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nosXw
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 19 23:58:29 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 15:42:58 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <h1>19 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Sep 19 00:48:35 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 19 23:58:29 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 292<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001931.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] community magazine of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001933.html">[Mageia-discuss] About me
+</A><A NAME="1933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001980.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001982.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001989.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001991.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002000.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001996.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001997.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001999.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002001.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nosXw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002004.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000000.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="0">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="6">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000001.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="9">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="11">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="13">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="16">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="17">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000020.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="20">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="23">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000024.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="24">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="26">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="27">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="29">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="31">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LuismaGo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="34">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Moreau Serge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000035.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="35">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000037.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="37">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="47">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000043.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="43">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000044.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="44">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="52">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart Simons
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000068.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="68">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="53">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ciprian Stoica
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000054.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="54">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000057.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="57">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="64">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000059.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="59">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="60">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000062.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="62">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="63">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000065.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="65">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="69">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000070.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="70">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="71">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="96">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="73">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="77">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000075.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="75">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="83">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000085.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="85">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="86">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000089.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="89">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bersuit Vera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="90">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000091.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="91">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="92">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alaa Elian
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000093.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="93">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000097.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="97">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="98">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="99">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000116.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Taylor
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001925.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork, and perhaps the web site too
+</A><A NAME="1925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shawn Thompson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001961.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork, and perhaps the web site too
+</A><A NAME="1961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nosXw
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001949.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001955.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Bagwell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="8">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000055.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="55">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="56">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000066.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="66">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000072.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="72">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="76">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="78">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="80">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="88">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001934.html">[Mageia-discuss] Count me in
+</A><A NAME="1934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Doing my little bit
+</A><A NAME="111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000048.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="48">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000142.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000144.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000147.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000148.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000154.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien DAL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000156.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000162.html">[Mageia-discuss] flickr group for logo proposals
+</A><A NAME="162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000107.html">[Mageia-discuss] French Traduction
+</A><A NAME="107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001898.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Praveen A
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001899.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Walt Frampus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001900.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001902.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Muhammad Najmi Ahmad Zabidi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001903.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeremiah Summers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001906.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aracele Torres
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001907.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001908.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris Evans
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001912.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000105.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Praveen A
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="50">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000061.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="61">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="74">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000082.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="82">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000084.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="84">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001953.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001957.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001956.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="67">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001963.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001995.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000039.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="39">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001936.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001937.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001943.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001944.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001945.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001946.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001947.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jes&#250;s Garc&#237;a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001951.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001983.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000041.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="41">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="95">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001892.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greetings
+</A><A NAME="1892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nor thern
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000012.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="12">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000015.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="15">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000018.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="18">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000019.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="19">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000022.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="22">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000025.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="25">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000030.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="30">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000040.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="40">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000042.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="42">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000038.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="38">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000087.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="87">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000094.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="94">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000100.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000109.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001889.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping
+</A><A NAME="1889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping
+</A><A NAME="1919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001915.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping if I can
+</A><A NAME="1915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>michael at margrave.biz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping if I can
+</A><A NAME="1921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001948.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000146.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001942.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hmm.
+</A><A NAME="1942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000129.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000149.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000150.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000151.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000152.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000153.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000158.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001929.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm fully behind this move.
+</A><A NAME="1929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000004.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm on board with this
+</A><A NAME="4">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Walt Frampus
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001924.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm with Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ciprian Stoica
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001959.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm with Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001895.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001897.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001917.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001939.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001940.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001941.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>hermit
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001890.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing Paul Willard
+</A><A NAME="1890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001952.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001954.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="3">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tulum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="5">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="7">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="14">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="21">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="32">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="33">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="36">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000119.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia greek community
+</A><A NAME="1910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia greek community
+</A><A NAME="81">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Making this list more efficient
+</A><A NAME="145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="28">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001911.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001914.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001916.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001920.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001923.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001927.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001928.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001930.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001950.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001960.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001964.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001966.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001967.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001984.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001987.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001990.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001993.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000045.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="45">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering all my help, and adding me to the list.
+</A><A NAME="155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering help
+</A><A NAME="143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JOSE-Glasnosh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000046.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="46">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000049.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="49">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000051.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="51">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000058.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="58">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000079.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="79">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000117.html">[Mageia-discuss] Perhaps I can help
+</A><A NAME="117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Molnar
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001926.html">[Mageia-discuss] Presentation
+</A><A NAME="1926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001962.html">[Mageia-discuss] Presentation
+</A><A NAME="1962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registration of mageialinux.in and some web space...
+</A><A NAME="1998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001918.html">[Mageia-discuss] salut tous
+</A><A NAME="1918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>deny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001938.html">[Mageia-discuss] test
+</A><A NAME="1938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bubar at tuxfamily.org
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001935.html">[Mageia-discuss] TEST please ignore
+</A><A NAME="1935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Web hosting for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Web hosting for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001886.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001887.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Brian Maddox
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aracele Torres
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001958.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001932.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to lend a hand
+</A><A NAME="1932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="1969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dino Edwards
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="1971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 19 23:58:29 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 15:42:58 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <h1>19 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Sep 19 00:48:35 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 19 23:58:29 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 292<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01284850115- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001886.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284850115-01284852486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001887.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284850115-01284852486-01284854651- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Brian Maddox
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284850115-01284852486-01284854651-01284857011- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284850115-01284866581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001905.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284850115-01284866581-01284869820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aracele Torres
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284852773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001888.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284852773-01284865856- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001904.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284853188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001889.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping
+</A><A NAME="1889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284853995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001890.html">[Mageia-discuss] Introducing Paul Willard
+</A><A NAME="1890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284855838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001892.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greetings
+</A><A NAME="1892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nor thern
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284857135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001894.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hi everybody
+</A><A NAME="1894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284857747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001895.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284857747-01284862821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001897.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284857747-01284862821-01284895151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001939.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284857747-01284862821-01284895151-01284897158- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001940.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284857747-01284862821-01284895151-01284897158-01284897744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001941.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284857747-01284874191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001917.html">[Mageia-discuss] IMPORTANT POINTS, imho
+</A><A NAME="1917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284861194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Web hosting for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sam Bailey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284861194-01284871383- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Web hosting for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284864145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001898.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Praveen A
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284864145-01284864580- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001899.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Walt Frampus
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284864145-01284865380- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001900.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284864145-01284865380-01284865649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001902.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Muhammad Najmi Ahmad Zabidi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284864145-01284865380-01284865649-01284866151- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001903.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jeremiah Summers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284864145-01284865380-01284865649-01284866151-01284866798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001906.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aracele Torres
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284864145-01284865380-01284865649-01284866151-01284868746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001908.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris Evans
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284864145-01284865380-01284865649-01284866151-01284871112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001912.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jos&#233; Israel de Le&#243;n Cord&#243;n
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284865617- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001901.html">[Mageia-discuss] Greek translation
+</A><A NAME="1901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284866858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001907.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284870685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001910.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia greek community
+</A><A NAME="1910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284870914- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001911.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284870914-01284872524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001914.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001916.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001920.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284876872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001923.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284876872-01284880357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001927.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284876872-01284880357-01284881967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001928.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284876872-01284880357-01284881967-01284882731- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001930.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284876872-01284880357-01284881967-01284882731-01284900687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001950.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284876872-01284880357-01284881967-01284882731-01284900687-01284903066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001964.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284876872-01284880357-01284903485- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001967.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284902824- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001960.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284902824-01284903288- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001966.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284902824-01284906517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001984.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284902824-01284906517-01284907303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001987.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284902824-01284906517-01284907303-01284907892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001990.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284870914-01284872524-01284873849-01284875282-01284902824-01284906517-01284908373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001993.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="1993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284872245- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001926.html">[Mageia-discuss] Presentation
+</A><A NAME="1926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cesar Vargas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284872245-01284902980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001962.html">[Mageia-discuss] Presentation
+</A><A NAME="1962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284872310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001915.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping if I can
+</A><A NAME="1915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>michael at margrave.biz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284872310-01284874927- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001921.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping if I can
+</A><A NAME="1921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rolf Pedersen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284874257- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001918.html">[Mageia-discuss] salut tous
+</A><A NAME="1918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>deny
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284874995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001919.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping
+</A><A NAME="1919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Glen Ogilvie
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284875362- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001922.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284875362-01284902593- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001958.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284876534- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001924.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm with Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ciprian Stoica
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284876534-01284902764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001959.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm with Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284877636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001925.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork, and perhaps the web site too
+</A><A NAME="1925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shawn Thompson
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284877636-01284902880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001961.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork, and perhaps the web site too
+</A><A NAME="1961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284884601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001929.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm fully behind this move.
+</A><A NAME="1929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284888342- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001931.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] community magazine of Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284888673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001932.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to lend a hand
+</A><A NAME="1932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284889825- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001933.html">[Mageia-discuss] About me
+</A><A NAME="1933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284890648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001934.html">[Mageia-discuss] Count me in
+</A><A NAME="1934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>philippe makowski
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284892712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001935.html">[Mageia-discuss] TEST please ignore
+</A><A NAME="1935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284895548- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001938.html">[Mageia-discuss] test
+</A><A NAME="1938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>bubar at tuxfamily.org
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284895695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001936.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284895695-01284895991- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001937.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284895695-01284897799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001943.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284895695-01284897799-01284898230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001944.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284895695-01284897799-01284898230-01284899076- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001946.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284895695-01284897799-01284898230-01284899521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001947.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jes&#250;s Garc&#237;a
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284895695-01284897799-01284898230-01284900683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001951.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Harijs Buss
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284895695-01284897799-01284898230-01284900683-01284904043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001972.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284895695-01284897799-01284898230-01284900683-01284904043-01284906215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001983.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284895695-01284897799-01284898230-01284900683-01284904043-01284906215-01284907277- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001986.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284895695-01284897799-01284899032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001945.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284897761- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001942.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hmm.
+</A><A NAME="1942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284899771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001949.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284899771-01284902163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001955.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>William Bagwell
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284899771-01284902163-01284903222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001965.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284899771-01284903890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001970.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284899771-01284903890-01284904523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284899771-01284903890-01284904523-01284905664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="1977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284900185- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001948.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out
+</A><A NAME="1948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284900724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001952.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284900724-01284900896- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001954.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284900724-01284900896-01284903830- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001968.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284900790- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001953.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284900790-01284902545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001956.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284900790-01284902545-01284902523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001957.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284900790-01284902545-01284902523-01284903296- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001963.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284900790-01284903364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001973.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284900790-01284903364-01284904197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001974.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284900790-01284903364-01284904197-01284910032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284900790-01284907940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001995.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="1995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284900790-01284907940-01284910374- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284902653- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="67">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284903384- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001969.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="1969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dino Edwards
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284903384-01284903980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001971.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="1971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284905670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284905670-01284905689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001978.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284905670-01284905689-01284905892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001980.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284905670-01284905689-01284905923- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001981.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284905670-01284905689-01284905923-01284905996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001982.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284905670-01284905689-01284905923-01284905996-01284908566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001997.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284905670-01284905689-01284905923-01284907099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001985.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284905670-01284905906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001979.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284905670-01284906933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001988.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284905670-01284906933-01284907723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001989.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284905670-01284906933-01284907723-01284908027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001991.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284905670-01284906933-01284907723-01284908027-01284908175- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002000.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284905670-01284906933-01284907723-01284908027-01284908649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001994.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284905670-01284906933-01284908373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284905670-01284908086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001992.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284905670-01284908086-01284908443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001996.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284905670-01284909744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002001.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nosXw
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284905670-01284909744-01284909807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gonzalo Igartua
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284905670-01284909744-01284909807-01284909965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284905670-01284909744-01284909912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002004.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284909137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001999.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284909137-01284909811- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284909483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registration of mageialinux.in and some web space...
+</A><A NAME="1998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284910157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="2007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284910206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000000.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="0">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284910432- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="6">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284910432-01284912628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000024.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="24">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284910695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000001.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284910695-01284912625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="23">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284910707- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="3">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tulum
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284910707-01284910906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="5">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284910707-01284911045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000007.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="7">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284910707-01284911161- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="10">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284910707-01284911161-01284911655- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="14">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="21">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284912974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="32">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="33">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="36">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284925807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000112.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284925807-01284926500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284925807-01284926500-01284926692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284925807-01284926659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284925807-01284926867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284925807-01284928649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284925807-01284928649-01284929723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284926163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284926673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000119.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284926883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284926883-01284927386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284926883-01284927386-01284927579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910707-01284911161-01284912015-01284913023-01284913805-01284925274-01284926883-01284929591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284910711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="2">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284910744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000004.html">[Mageia-discuss] I'm on board with this
+</A><A NAME="4">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Walt Frampus
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284910858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000012.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="12">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284910858-01284911696- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000015.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="15">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284910858-01284911696-01284911867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000018.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="18">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Schneiderman
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000019.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="19">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874-01284912664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000025.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="25">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874-01284912883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000030.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="30">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874-01284912883-01284913807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000040.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="40">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874-01284912883-01284913807-01284920941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000087.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="87">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874-01284912883-01284913807-01284920941-01284922154- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000094.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="94">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874-01284912883-01284913807-01284920941-01284922154-01284923541- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000100.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874-01284912883-01284913807-01284920941-01284925594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000109.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874-01284912883-01284913995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000038.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="38">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284910858-01284911696-01284911874-01284913880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000042.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="42">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284910858-01284911696-01284912042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000022.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="22">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284911067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="8">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284911079- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000009.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="9">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284911227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="11">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284911227-01284911703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="16">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000020.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="20">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284912665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="26">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284912736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="27">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284912736-01284912873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="29">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Felix Martos
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284912736-01284912873-01284913955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000043.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="43">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284912736-01284912873-01284916721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000057.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="57">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284912736-01284912873-01284916721-01284917333- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000062.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="62">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284912736-01284912873-01284916721-01284917910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000065.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="65">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284912906- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="31">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LuismaGo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284913968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000044.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="44">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284914862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="52">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bart Simons
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284916292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="53">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ciprian Stoica
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284916463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000054.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="54">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284912156-01284917381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="63">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284911227-01284911703-01284913088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="34">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Moreau Serge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284913088-01284913161- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000035.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="35">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284911227-01284911703-01284913650- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000037.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="37">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vinet Rapha&#235;l
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284911227-01284911703-01284917131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="64">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284917131-01284918436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="69">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284917131-01284918524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000070.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="70">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284917131-01284918524-01284918702- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="71">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284917131-01284918524-01284919668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000075.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="75">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284917131-01284921486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000091.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="91">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284911227-01284911703-01284917207- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000059.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="59">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284911227-01284911703-01284919177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="73">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>VARVOU Jean Michel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284919177-01284919465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="77">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284919177-01284919465-01284920524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="83">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284919177-01284919465-01284920828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="86">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284919177-01284919465-01284920828-01284921124- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000089.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="89">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bersuit Vera
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284911227-01284911703-01284919177-01284919465-01284921285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="90">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284911227-01284911703-01284932346- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284911592- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="13">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284911721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="17">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284911721-01284917292- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="60">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284912897- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="28">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284913762- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000041.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="41">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284913762-01284922144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="95">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284913762-01284922144-01284924015- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000102.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284913789- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000039.html">[Mageia-discuss] Global infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="39">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284913933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="47">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284914004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000045.html">[Mageia-discuss] mandrivausers.org
+</A><A NAME="45">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284914445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000046.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="46">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284914445-01284915214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000049.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="49">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284914445-01284915214-01284915778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000051.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="51">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284914445-01284916780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000058.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="58">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284914445-01284916780-01284919826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000079.html">[Mageia-discuss] Packaging games (Was: IMPORTANT POINTS)
+</A><A NAME="79">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284914631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000048.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="48">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284915268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="50">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284915268-01284917327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000061.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="61">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284915268-01284917327-01284919430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="74">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284915268-01284917327-01284920456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000082.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="82">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284915268-01284920531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000084.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="84">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Vitters
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284915390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000068.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="68">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284916487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000055.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="55">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284916487-01284917930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000066.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="66">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284916487-01284917930-01284919630- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="78">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284916487-01284917930-01284919930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="80">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284916621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="56">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284916621-01284918512- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000072.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="72">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284916621-01284918512-01284919462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="76">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284916621-01284918512-01284920943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="88">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284918720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000096.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="96">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284918720-01284922431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000097.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="97">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284918720-01284926056- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000114.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284918720-01284927287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000123.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284918720-01284927287-01284927472- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>HacKurx
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284918720-01284927287-01284927472-01284928911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284918720-01284927287-01284927472-01284928911-01284929048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean Peyratout
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284918720-01284927287-01284927472-01284928911-01284929048-01284929114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284920490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia greek community
+</A><A NAME="81">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284920542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000085.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="85">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284921830- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000092.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="92">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alaa Elian
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284921830-01284922102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000093.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="93">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284921830-01284922980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000110.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284921830-01284922980-01284926491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000116.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284921830-01284923254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000099.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="99">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284921830-01284923254-01284924708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284922466- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="98">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284923715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284923715-01284924123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284923715-01284924123-01284926031- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284923715-01284924123-01284926031-01284929729- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284923739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Troumad
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284924014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000104.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284924496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000105.html">[Mageia-discuss] FSF backing would be a huge boost for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Praveen A
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284924791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000107.html">[Mageia-discuss] French Traduction
+</A><A NAME="107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284925485- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000208.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284925702- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000111.html">[Mageia-discuss] Doing my little bit
+</A><A NAME="111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284926058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000117.html">[Mageia-discuss] Perhaps I can help
+</A><A NAME="117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Molnar
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284928774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000129.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284928774-01284931047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000149.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
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+<!--2 01284928774-01284931047-01284931582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000151.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
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+<!--3 01284928774-01284931047-01284931582-01284931674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000152.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
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+</UL>
+<!--1 01284928774-01284931119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000150.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
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+<!--2 01284928774-01284931119-01284931747- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000153.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284928774-01284931119-01284931747-01284932315- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000158.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284928920- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Taylor
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284929273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>hermit
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284929430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284929475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284929475-01284929602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284929475-01284929602-01284929758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284929475-01284929602-01284929758-01284929953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284929475-01284933281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284930051- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000142.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284930051-01284930407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000144.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284930051-01284930407-01284930810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000147.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284930051-01284930407-01284930810-01284932101- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000154.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Julien DAL
+</I>
+
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+<!--2 01284930051-01284930407-01284930869- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000148.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284930051-01284930407-01284930869-01284932236- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000156.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284930243- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering help
+</A><A NAME="143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JOSE-Glasnosh
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284930652- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Making this list more efficient
+</A><A NAME="145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284930719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000146.html">[Mageia-discuss] Helping out with infrastructure
+</A><A NAME="146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284932131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering all my help, and adding me to the list.
+</A><A NAME="155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284932443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000157.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284932443-01284932946- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284932443-01284932946-01284933254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284932443-01284932946-01284933509- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nosXw
+</I>
+
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+<!--0 01284933422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000162.html">[Mageia-discuss] flickr group for logo proposals
+</A><A NAME="162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
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+ <B>Yann Ciret</B>
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+<PRE>Le 19/09/2010 23:38, Guillaume Rousse a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 23:29, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not anymore, since there's an extension(SNI or something) that can have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> multiple SSL vhosts (doesn't work for IE in win XP)
+</I>&gt;<i> That's true, and I just fixed the issue. Not however you have to trust
+</I>&gt;<i> the zarb.org certification authority (<A HREF="http://www.zarb.org">http://www.zarb.org</A>) to avoid a
+</I>&gt;<i> warning about unknown certificate issuer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, the only thing which doesn't work without SNI support is the
+</I>&gt;<i> selection of the correct certificate for a specific vhost.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+Hello Guillaume
+
+I don't know if this has a relationship, but
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/</A> return now a 404 error
+
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia">vfmbofh at gmail.com
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Rolling releases are fine to users, but many sys admins wouldn't use it on
+</I>&gt;<i> a server, by example.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If,on the one hand, a rolling-release distro would be more economical and
+</I>&gt;<i> easy to mantain for development team, think that neither all user have high
+</I>&gt;<i> speed connections to download the whole system updated at installation time
+</I>&gt;<i> or update packages day to day.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- Em *dom, 19/9/10, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;*escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> De: Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> Para: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 17:37
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Op zondag 19 september 2010 21:50:07 schreef Samuel Verschelde:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 21:41:14, HacKurx a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; First of all excuse me for my English.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I am one who thinks that rolling release distributions sounds the
+</I>&gt;<i> future.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Why?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Because the user no longer has to worry about are system and benefits
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; from recent versions of software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Now on libraries, xorg etc.... it may very well release a new version
+</I>&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; inclusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So imagine every six months a new version but in the meantime the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; software most used to constantly updated in a repository (this is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; equivalent to ubuntu ppa in some ways but stable and under control).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So I think it would be nice to create a repository &quot;rolling release&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; containing software commonly used example: firefox, vlc, liferea,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; thunderbird, mplayer.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; As you will not break the system because no library, xorg etc. will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; updated.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; +1 repository &quot;rolling release&quot; commonly used for software (vlc,
+</I>&gt;<i> smplayer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; etc ...)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have no experience with rolling releases, but as I hope that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> will,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; like Mandriva Linux, remain suitable for desktop, server, and enterprise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use. So I really hope each version will be stable, maintained and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thoroughly tested. I'm not sure that a rolling release permits that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&lt;<A HREF="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> &lt;<A HREF="http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org">http://mc/compose?to=Mageia-discuss@mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Maybe some kind of hybrid?
+
+It's just an idea on my mind but i try to explain:
+
+The system's design, could be as modular as possible. A &quot;core&quot; with the
+basic system and admin tools (including graph or not), and use ideas like
+meta-packages or delta-rpm to include &quot;layers&quot; over it, communicating with
+the core with &quot;connectors&quot; or so.
+
+Using this design, we'll have a fully-stable core system, and we'll can
+focus the &quot;rolling style&quot; to the layers.
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+ <B>Guillaume Rousse</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page">Guillaume.Rousse at inria.fr
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+&gt;<i> Hello Guillaume
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if this has a relationship, but
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/</A> return now a 404 error
+</I>Yes, I forgot something in the configuration, but Olivier just fixed it.
+--
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+ <B>Tux99</B>
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+All 3 Mageia mailing lists are now also on gmane.org where they can
+be followed via nntp too.
+
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+<A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</A>
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+<A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</A>
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+<A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce</A>
+
+The announce list will only show up once it gets a first post.
+
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Bernard Siaud alias Troumad &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">liste at siaud.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I come here because I like my Mandriva. I can found besser : this month, I
+</I>&gt;<i> have tested Debian, OpenSuse or Fedora because I was afraid for Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> I now, for me, the new name of Mandriva is Mageia. Isn't it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi, Bernard.
+
+No. Mageia is not the new name for Mandriva. Mageia is a fork from MDV.
+
+Former employees, community leaders, collaborators and many people from
+communities arround the world are joining to this project.
+
+The project's objective is create a new distro, based on Mandriva, but
+outside from it.
+
+Hope you agree this objectives and join us!
+
+Cheers,
+
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 17:14, St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-19 17:00, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What about domain names like mageia-edu etc. ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A.Sala&#252;n
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess thatedu.mageia.org &lt;<A HREF="http://edu.mageia.org">http://edu.mageia.org</A>&gt; is better...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would suggest that website domains start as much as possible
+</I>&gt;<i> with mageia.xxxx. etc for product branding. People will remember
+</I>&gt;<i> the brand more easily that way. Let's make it easy for people to
+</I>&gt;<i> find the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> xxx.mageia.org &lt;<A HREF="http://xxx.mageia.org">http://xxx.mageia.org</A>&gt; seems better, see:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://doc.ubuntu.com/">http://doc.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://help.ubuntu.com/">https://help.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/">http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org">http://docs.fedoraproject.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://planet.fedoraproject.org/">http://planet.fedoraproject.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://software.opensuse.org">http://software.opensuse.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/">https://build.opensuse.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stef
+</I>
+I guess the structure should be as conventional as possible. I am note
+aware if the is a convention with site naming for organizations.
+However, I usually favour any structure that makes it absolutely as easy
+as possible for users to find the main site. Keeping a structure with
+&quot;mageia&quot; as a prefix would accomplish that and would make it simple for
+the initiated to the distro to find any associated sites under its
+umbrella. Keeping it simple will bring in more users.
+
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+<PRE> El 19/09/10 23:40, Andr&#233; Machado escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva
+</I>&gt;<i> was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some
+</I>&gt;<i> Conectiva users tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is
+</I>&gt;<i> happening now-, but the distro was not ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was adopted
+</I>&gt;<i> and would recognize the Brazilians what are part of Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> operatting system and, now, from Mageia operatting system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>I suggest codename &quot;Fenix&quot; for 1st Mageia versi&#243;n.
+Its a magic name.
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+Am 20.09.2010 00:13, schrieb Tux99:
+&gt;<i> All 3 Mageia mailing lists are now also on gmane.org where they can
+</I>&gt;<i> be followed via nntp too.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> The announce list will only show up once it gets a first post.
+</I>Shouldn't the initial announcement of the fork be posted there, then?
+This would allow people to subscribe to all three lists in one go.
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
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+On dimanche 19 septembre 2010 at 22:47, hermit wrote :
+&gt;<i> A new distro trying to get off the ground and way too many of these
+</I>&gt;<i> posts are on 'artwork'. There will come a time when I'm sure there will
+</I>&gt;<i> be a contest for the community at large to get involved, in the meantime
+</I>&gt;<i> you risk running off folks like myself that just can't be bothered with
+</I>&gt;<i> the volume of emails about stuff that is of low importance right now.
+</I>
+I think the the branding of the distribution is quite important (and I
+believe the founder of the fork did think so, as they had the name well
+though out before actually announcing it).
+This list is for general discussions, if you prefer to avoid those &quot;lesser
+importance&quot; discussion I believe that's what the dev list is about.
+
+I really think we should no refrain the enthusiasms of everybody, and the
+logo contest allow all the people who don't have the same technical skills
+to actually be part of the very birth of this new distribution.
+
+That, of course, was only my own opinion, and I hope you won't be
+discouraged by all the effervescence on the list. This is all very positive,
+really :-)
+
+Cheers
+--
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+&gt;<i> We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou' there was
+</I>&gt;<i> speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it's community.
+</I>
+There's already a free software project called Lazarus
+<A HREF="http://lazarus.freepascal.org">http://lazarus.freepascal.org</A>
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+Bye
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+&gt;<i> On dimanche 19 septembre 2010 at 22:47, hermit wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A new distro trying to get off the ground and way too many of these
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; posts are on 'artwork'. There will come a time when I'm sure there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be a contest for the community at large to get involved, in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; meantime you risk running off folks like myself that just can't be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bothered with the volume of emails about stuff that is of low
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; importance right now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the the branding of the distribution is quite important (and I
+</I>&gt;<i> believe the founder of the fork did think so, as they had the name well
+</I>&gt;<i> though out before actually announcing it).
+</I>&gt;<i> This list is for general discussions, if you prefer to avoid those
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;lesser importance&quot; discussion I believe that's what the dev list is
+</I>&gt;<i> about.
+</I>
+Reading back my answer, it may look a bit aggressive, that was not my
+intention (english is not my native language), I am myself very enthusiast
+about what's going on here.
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+Cheers
+--
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+
+-mensaje original-
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+De: nosXw &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mail.nosxw at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Fecha: 19/09/2010 23:58
+
+I think it's an excellent idea, it would be a wink and a gift to the community of Brazil, a gift more than deserved,
+because after the purchase of Conectiva this community was abandoned by Mandriva.
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+</I>&gt;<i> the volume of emails about stuff that is of low importance right now.
+</I>
+Get a proper mailing-list reader and just ignore threads you are not
+interested in. I'm also really positively surprised at how much
+enthusiasm community has brought into so far.
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+ <B>vfmBOFH</B>
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+&gt;<i> Al 19/09/10 23:54, En/na vfmBOFH ha escrit:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou' there was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it's community.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's already a free software project called Lazarus
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lazarus.freepascal.org">http://lazarus.freepascal.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Luca
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Yes, i know. But Leonidas it's a movie character and a codename for a fedora
+release at the same time. And it's not necessary talk about Debian's
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+<PRE>There is a Free Pascal IDE similar to classic Delphi named Lazarus.
+
+--- Em dom, 19/9/10, vfmBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">vfmbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+
+De: vfmBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">vfmbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Assunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+Para: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Data: Domingo, 19 de Setembro de 2010, 18:54
+
+
+
+2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+ Le 19/09/2010 23:40, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit&#160;:
+
+
+
+
+ I suggest what 1st
+ Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
+
+
+
+ Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+ Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the
+ late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork
+ called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+ distro was not ahead.
+
+
+
+ Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename
+ was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians as part of
+ Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operating
+ system.
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+
+ I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+ symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for
+ people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not
+ mean anything for people from outside, that's why a much more
+ powerful name would be better to have a great meaning (and why not
+ link it to the artwork? Well, that'll be to determine in the
+ future).
+
+
+
+ Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of
+ the first stable release for Mageia could be really nice.
+
+
+
+
+_______________________________________________
+
+Mageia-discuss mailing list
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+
+
+
+My two cents:
+We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou' there was speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it's community.
+
+Cheers
+
+-----Anexo incorporado-----
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> folks like myself that just can't be bothered with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the volume of emails about stuff that is of low importance right now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Get a proper mailing-list reader and just ignore threads you are not
+</I>&gt;<i> interested in. I'm also really positively surprised at how much
+</I>&gt;<i> enthusiasm community has brought into so far.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&quot;Get a proper mailing-list reader and just ignore threads you are not
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+
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+<PRE>Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main developers/directors?
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>Sophie just said me she would be happy to join our project and to help
+anyone of us.
+
+Since a lot IRC chan were created and setting the configuration is a bit
+tricky here rules and how to have Sophie on your favorite channel:
+
+- the chan must be on Freenode (my code can't handle several server
+ properly :\)
+- at time the default distribution will be 'Mandriva', because Mageia
+ don't exist yet...
+ - once 'cooker' for Mageia will exist, I will change the setting to
+ point on Mageia for channel pointing to Mdv cooker
+ - other channel will have to wait the first release
+- be sure everyone on the chan agree to have the bot listening
+- check she is not already on the chan (the case for #mageia,
+ #mageia-fr, #mageia-dev).
+
+To have the bot on your chan please send me a mail directly (don't
+load the list for this) with:
+- the name of the chan
+- the default version Sophie must reply to (eg 2010.1 or cooker)
+- the default architecture (i586 or x86_64).
+
+I'll do it in 2 or 3 days, after most of reply to this call.
+
+Regards.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+ <B>Sadiq Saif</B>
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+reading suggestions/ideas in both the mailing list and the IRC channel. But
+they are more likely to be present in the IRC channel from previous
+experience.
+
+Sadiq S
+mailto: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sadiq.9541 at gmail.com</A>
+Blog: www.staticsafe.me
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+
+2010/9/19 Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename
+</I>&gt;<i> and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we
+</I>&gt;<i> are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main
+</I>&gt;<i> developers/directors?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <I>Mon Sep 20 01:48:39 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>2010/9/20 Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename
+</I>&gt;<i> and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we
+</I>&gt;<i> are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main
+</I>&gt;<i> developers/directors?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi, Andr&#233;.
+
+This mail list are the first basic infrastructure to connect the community.
+And yes, all the opinions are welcome.
+
+Don't forget it's only been two days since the first announcement. Please,
+be patient. I know people involved in the &quot;internals&quot; are working realy hard
+to provide better forms to communicate. And be sure the awesome feedback
+from this list are arriving to them.
+
+We have everything to do. So, all is possible!
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+ <B>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz</B>
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 09:14:30, gejo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+Very good
+
+I wonder if we can do a cartoon of Merlin :) The greatest white magician :)
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 17:54, vfmBOFH a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 23:40, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork called Xavante
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - just like is happening now-, but the distro was not ahead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> adopted and would recognize the Brazilians as part of Mandriva
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> operatting system and, now, from Mageia operating system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more
+</I>&gt;<i> symbolic name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for
+</I>&gt;<i> people that are not inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not
+</I>&gt;<i> mean anything for people from outside, that's why a much more
+</I>&gt;<i> powerful name would be better to have a great meaning (and why not
+</I>&gt;<i> link it to the artwork? Well, that'll be to determine in the future).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of
+</I>&gt;<i> the first stable release for Mageia could be really nice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My two cents:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou' there was
+</I>&gt;<i> speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it's community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>
+I think this would be an extremely kind gesture in recognition of the
+Brazilian contribution of the Conectiva code as well as a partner in the
+growth and popularity of Mandriva. Not to mention that Brazil does have
+a population of 200 million people.
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-19 19:52, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 09:14:30, gejo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I made a logo for Mageia:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia">http://blogdrake.net/blog/gejo/posible-logo-para-mageia</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any contest or something else?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I accept any constructive comments ;-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Very good
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder if we can do a cartoon of Merlin :) The greatest white magician :)
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Seeing as Mageia (you can hear a proper pronunciation in greek here:
+<A HREF="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095</A>) is of greek
+descent, maybe a mythological figure could be explored?
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Xavante is a good name, representing the tribe, the community.
+It is very good, and a beautiful tribute to Conectiva.
+
++1
+
+2010/9/19 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-19 17:54, vfmBOFH a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/19 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 23:40, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some Conectiva users
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro was not ahead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was adopted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and would recognize the Brazilians as part of Mandriva operatting system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and, now, from Mageia operating system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess the first release of Mageia will need to have a more symbolic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> name, like Fedora has, a name that is symbolic even for people that are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inside the community. Sadly Xavante will not mean anything for people from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> outside, that's why a much more powerful name would be better to have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> great meaning (and why not link it to the artwork? Well, that'll be to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> determine in the future).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yet, using Xavante as a little name for one of the pre-releases of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> first stable release for Mageia could be really nice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My two cents:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could use &quot;Lazarus&quot;, giving a response to all people ou' there was
+</I>&gt;<i> speaking the &quot;death&quot; of Mandriva and it's community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listMageia-discuss at mageia.orghttps</A>://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think this would be an extremely kind gesture in recognition of the
+</I>&gt;<i> Brazilian contribution of the Conectiva code as well as a partner in the
+</I>&gt;<i> growth and popularity of Mandriva. Not to mention that Brazil does have a
+</I>&gt;<i> population of 200 million people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Dale Huckeby</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Jean Peyratout wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 19:18, Dale Huckeby a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Malcer wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png">http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/2718/mageiaidealogo.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ./. I like the image just as it is. It evokes the idea of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> magic without looking silly. Really good design.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + 1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fair wizardry, no fear...
+</I>&gt;<i> The simplest the best, thanks to Malcer.
+</I>
+Um, that's not the one I was praising. It was <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg.">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg.</A>
+The latter is a clean and modern design, evocative of the name, slightly mysterious with the flames
+rising from the orb, just a really, really nice design. Cuddly penguins and what always looked like
+a star-shaped pillow always left me feeling faintly embarrassed at the amateurish look. This one
+doesn't look amateurish at all.
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+<PRE>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, VARVOU Jean Michel wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit&#160;:
+</I>&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu button etc
+</I>
+Didn't realize the origin of these images but still hope one of them can be used. I like the first
+one better. The second is a little busy and not as effective or elegant.
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+
+Em 19 de setembro de 2010 17:50, Andr&#233; Machado &lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt; escreveu:
+
+&gt;<i> People,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now that the distro is starting, it's easier to define the course of the
+</I>&gt;<i> project. We have to make sure we're doing the right thing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines
+</I>&gt;<i> of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely
+</I>&gt;<i> discussed: support for the Stallman's group could be very advantageous, but
+</I>&gt;<i> would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be
+</I>&gt;<i> placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all
+</I>&gt;<i> source code should be available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would
+</I>&gt;<i> bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the
+</I>&gt;<i> choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to
+</I>&gt;<i> install your kernel linux-libre .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux kernel maintained by the FSF
+</I>&gt;<i> Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few
+</I>&gt;<i> distros that offer it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media,
+</I>&gt;<i> where the user can install a system with it by typing something like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;install = libre&quot; or something similar at boot time of this media. Of
+</I>&gt;<i> course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For more information, see:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/">http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 17:55 +0200, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kmenu button etc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The second one is excellent!
+</I>
+I prefer the first one. It's cleaner, the name is more legible, and the elements (the orb and the
+name) are well-placed relative to each other.
+
+Dale Huckeby
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+&gt;<i> Sophie just said me she would be happy to join our project and to help
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone of us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since a lot IRC chan were created and setting the configuration is a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> tricky here rules and how to have Sophie on your favorite channel:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - the chan must be on Freenode (my code can't handle several server
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;properly :\)
+</I>&gt;<i> - at time the default distribution will be 'Mandriva', because Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;don't exist yet...
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- once 'cooker' for Mageia will exist, I will change the setting to
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;point on Mageia for channel pointing to Mdv cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- other channel will have to wait the first release
+</I>&gt;<i> - be sure everyone on the chan agree to have the bot listening
+</I>&gt;<i> - check she is not already on the chan (the case for #mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;#mageia-fr, #mageia-dev).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To have the bot on your chan please send me a mail directly (don't
+</I>&gt;<i> load the list for this) with:
+</I>&gt;<i> - the name of the chan
+</I>&gt;<i> - the default version Sophie must reply to (eg 2010.1 or cooker)
+</I>&gt;<i> - the default architecture (i586 or x86_64).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll do it in 2 or 3 days, after most of reply to this call.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS &#160;- &#160;LATMOS
+</I>&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sophie, hiya babe and welcome aboard \o/
+
+&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the distro was not ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians what are part of Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operatting system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Romulo Pires</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some Conectiva users tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is happening now-, but the distro was not ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was adopted and would recognize the Brazilians what are part of Mandriva operatting system and, now, from Mageia operatting system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't send HTML emails to mailing lists, plain text is preferred.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+Xavante represents the very ideals of community, and we are free
+organized!
+
+Vote by Xavante!
++1
+
+--
+Romulo Pires Pinto
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+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I guess that edu.mageia.org is better...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; xxx.mageia.org seems better, see:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://doc.ubuntu.com/">http://doc.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://help.ubuntu.com/">https://help.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/">http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://docs.fedoraproject.org">http://docs.fedoraproject.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://planet.fedoraproject.org/">http://planet.fedoraproject.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://software.opensuse.org">http://software.opensuse.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/">https://build.opensuse.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Stef
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps just a native langage influence finally.
+</I>
+Please note though, that for mageia.org/xxx to work easily, everything
+will have to be reachable through the same server. For xxx.mageia.org to
+work, you can have a different physical server for xxx than you do for
+yyy.
+
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Nuno Pinheiro &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nuno at oxygen-icons.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> wanted to present my idea, somthing fastly made today
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I like it!
+
+&gt;<i> well the idea is very simple and revolves around the fonts, and its outline
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so for exmaple in a educational stand point would be somthing like the
+</I>&gt;<i> colorfull version on the banner
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> on a buisness like presentation a gray solid color
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> on a desktop version plain blue etc etc...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please cc me :)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;
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+&gt;<i> My suggestion is made that a technical study of tools and a decision
+</I>&gt;<i> consensus among those who will be responsible for installation and service
+</I>&gt;<i> maintenance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example, the technical report of infrastructure for KDE using git is a
+</I>&gt;<i> very good job done by the team of sysadmins.&#160;It's technical and exposes why
+</I>&gt;<i> that decision was made.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Follow the link for those interested - can to be very useful as an example
+</I>&gt;<i> to be followed.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a ODT archive:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-scm-interest&amp;m=127612957219466&amp;q=p3">http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-scm-interest&amp;m=127612957219466&amp;q=p3</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>
+I think Romain has a lot to say here. He knows the needs of the
+current Mandriva site so he can say if the best option is a CMS or a
+custom developed site (Symfony anybody?).
+
+I think the most important feature here is internationalization, cause
+Mageia really needs to show itself to the world, and let me tell you
+the world doesn't speak English only.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I opened a flickr group :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nicolas
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+SinnerBOFH created a yahoo acoount, plus flickr accoount: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">MageiaLinux at yahoo.com</A>
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+ <B>Liam R E Quin</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 22:51 +0200, Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+&gt;<i> there have been
+</I>&gt;<i> fantastic submissions and proposals for our brand new logo.
+</I>
+I'm swamped with all the mail on on vacation... but it's worth
+pointing out...
+
+First, define the target audience for the distribution:
+. users (technical? non-technical? age group?)
+. investors (current and potential)
+
+Also, places where a logo is likely to be used...
+. small, e.g. 32x32 or 64x64 pixels on the desktop;
+. large, e.g. in printed collateral or signage;
+. magazines and web sites, to distinguish the distribution
+
+Then, constraints, e.g.:
+. may be printed in monochrome
+. must work on a fax machine
+. mobile phone?
+
+A logo is part of brand recognition, and for that to work, you have
+to think about the brand as a whole, and how to make it distinctive:
+colours, fonts, shapes, placement, the usual things...
+
+So, what makes Magia distinct from other Linux distributions?
+
+I used Mandrake Linux because I needed something that
+. installed easily
+. was suitable for both experienced programmers and people new to Linux
+ (regardless of whether they used other operating environments)
+. was up to date with packages/software, and had a wide selection;
+. was widely translated and localised
+
+If that vision is kept up, Mageia has the potential to become a
+major player.
+
+Best,
+
+Liam
+&gt;<i>
+</I>--
+Liam Quin - XML Activity Lead, W3C, <A HREF="http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/">http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/</A>
+Pictures from old books: <A HREF="http://fromoldbooks.org/">http://fromoldbooks.org/</A>
+Ankh: irc.sorcery.net irc.gnome.org www.advogato.org
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+In my humble opinion the best name for the first version should be
+mageia Sorcerer's Apprentice. With respect I have for the other
+communities I think the name puts us in our historical moment: we are
+learning on the road. Of course the other proposals have great
+intentions but at this moment must prevail as the spirit of unity with
+the sorcerer and his apprentice. We all have something of the
+Apprentice and Sorcerer.
+
+I apologize for my English. I tried to use simple sentences to express
+myself properly.
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+Saludos desde Costa Rica
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+<PRE>2010/9/19 Dino Edwards &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dino.edwards at mydirectmail.net</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can also offer to write how-to&#8217;s and guides in English and maybe Greek
+</I>&gt;<i> (got to brush up on my Greek),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> [...]
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+Hi Dino, you can join us in the greek team here :
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/forum/viewforum.php?f=14">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/forum/viewforum.php?f=14</A>
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>I propose the name: Circe
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circe</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 2010-09-19 at 18:38 Marc said:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am also on the Mandriva news group and considering the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> amount of &#160;people who use Mandriva, very few seem to make use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the group, and in contrast, the Mandriva forums were
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pretty active
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; I tried following the Mandriva fora but found they were a
+</I>&gt;<i> sprawl - unfocussed and impersonal compared with the newsgroup,
+</I>&gt;<i> which has helped solve all my problems.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; Indeed, were it not for that excellent newsgroup, I would
+</I>&gt;<i> probably have abandoned Mandriva long ago...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+To each his own, I guess. I am sure some other users are more
+comfortable using a forum. It probably depends to some degree on what
+you started using first, a newsgroup or a forum.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> and the official reps/moderators were at least
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there to listen and respond. I don't believe that any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva rep. was ever on the news group
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;True - they were sheltering in the Mandriva fora!
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> /\/\aurice
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+<PRE>Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 14:40:43 -0700 (PDT),
+Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> I suggest what 1st Mageia version be called &quot;Xavante&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Xavante is a Brazil indigene tribe. When Brazilian distro Conectiva
+</I>&gt;<i> was sold to Mandrake to form Mandriva, at the late 2005, some
+</I>&gt;<i> Conectiva users tried to create a fork called Xavante - just like is
+</I>&gt;<i> happening now-, but the distro was not ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would be a surprising and amazing tribute if this codename was
+</I>&gt;<i> adopted and would recognize the Brazilians what are part of Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> operatting system and, now, from Mageia operatting system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think we may not think of 1.000 things for now... Mageia just begin
+and we can see that when we will have infrastructures!
+--
+Sandro Cazzaniga
+Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 18:00:42, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> i agree, they work, are great, and people know these to be good, we need a
+</I>&gt;<i> MCC with everything on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> some of those are a bit dated, and we could clean up some of the code, but
+</I>&gt;<i> i want to keep those.
+</I>
+The integration of the current MCC with the desktop environment is not very
+good.
+I would like to use Qt tools for my Kde, and Gtk tools for my Gnome.
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+first realease, they will be very similar, with time, they wlll
+diverge.
+
+Long life to Mageia,
+motitos
+
+2010/9/19 Troumad &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">troumad at libertysurf.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> &#160;Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I come here because I like my Mandriva. I can found besser : this month, I
+</I>&gt;<i> have tested Debian, OpenSuse or Fedora because I was afraid for Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> I now, for me, the new name of Mandriva is Mageia. Isn't it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Amicalement vOOotre &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;Troumad Alias Bernard SIAUD
+</I>&gt;<i> mon site : <A HREF="http://troumad.org">http://troumad.org</A> : AD&amp;D maths WEB...
+</I>&gt;<i> Pour la libert&#233; <A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> N'envoyez que des documents avec des formats ouverts, comme
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fr.openoffice.org">http://fr.openoffice.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>Am Sonntag 19 September 2010, 22:14:47 schrieb Mihai Dobrescu:
+&gt;<i> The colors remind me of google..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Nuno Pinheiro &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nuno at oxygen-icons.org</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; second version i will repeat the colors on the font s are just an example
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; usage, the idea is that the fonts outlines is the logo, they serve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; container of anything
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; please cc me :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
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+Nunos second suggestion is really the best. It looks proffesional and clear.
+It's easy to remember without beeing boring. A webpage which looks like this,
+will get much attention and makes a good feeling.
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+Regards,
+TeaAge
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+Maybe it would be good to have something slightly less obvious than a
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png &#160; ofice use
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png gaming ready
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png general propose
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> enjoy
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;
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+ <B>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.</B>
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+<PRE>On Sunday, September 19, 2010 21:00 Dale Huckeby wrote:
+ | On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, VARVOU Jean Michel wrote:
+ | &gt; Le 19/09/2010 17:55, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+ | &gt; I imagine something with the magic crystal
+ | &gt;
+ | &gt; Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+ | &gt; inspiration
+ | &gt;
+ | &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+ | &gt; <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+ | &gt;
+ | &gt; The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in
+ | &gt; kmenu button etc
+ |
+ | Didn't realize the origin of these images but still hope one of them can
+ | be used. I like the first one better. The second is a little busy and
+ | not as effective or elegant.
+ |
+ | Dale Huckeby
+So, take the Globe (Planet Earth) form this one:
+<A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43660.png
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+<A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+to end up with a truely original bit of work
+
+Any thoughts?
+--
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+
+By now, there is a lot of buzz and noise and excitement, but for the
+long run, this is not enough.
+
+We need to organize ourselves. For example:
+
+* We need to register the association/organization in at least one
+country. Hopefully, Mandriva SA will not strike back, but we cannot
+guarantee.
+
+* We need an executive gov. to take decisions. I propose one/two
+members per community and two or three ex-developers. Maybe, there
+will be two many people, so at most, 10 people. And then an assembly
+system.
+
+* We need a voting system. Who can vote?
+
+* Any account manager?
+
+There are much administrative work to be done before starting to pack
+and compile a single program. Probably, you are already working on it,
+but somebody has to ask if we are on the right direction.
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+Long life to Mageia!
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+<PRE>On Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:15 LuismaGo wrote:
+ | 2010/9/19 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+ | &gt; Hi,
+ | &gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+ | &gt;
+ | &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+ | &gt;
+ | &gt; This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it
+ | &gt; isn't just some variation of the Mandriva star...
+ |
+ | +1. May be some improvement could be done, but it's great: nice and
+ | simple enough.
+
+He says he is not an artist, but just look at what he put together!
+<A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+My vote goes for this one.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I can't view it :( Gives a 404 error.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+There are wonderfull!!
+i always was fun of Nuno Pinheiro artwork and oxygen :)
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can't view it &#160;:( Gives a 404 error.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are wonderfull!!
+</I>&gt;<i> i always was fun of Nuno Pinheiro artwork and oxygen :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By now, there is a lot of buzz and noise and excitement, but for the
+</I>&gt;<i> long run, this is not enough.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to organize ourselves. For example:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * We need to register the association/organization in at least one
+</I>&gt;<i> country. Hopefully, Mandriva SA will not strike back, but we cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> guarantee.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * We need an executive gov. to take decisions. I propose one/two
+</I>&gt;<i> members per community and two or three ex-developers. Maybe, there
+</I>&gt;<i> will be two many people, so at most, 10 people. And then an assembly
+</I>&gt;<i> system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * We need a voting system. Who can vote?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Any account manager?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are much administrative work to be done before starting to pack
+</I>&gt;<i> and compile a single program. Probably, you are already working on it,
+</I>&gt;<i> but somebody has to ask if we are on the right direction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The announcement says
+
+&#171; A not-for-profit organization will be set up in the coming days and it will
+be managed by a board of community members. After the first year this board
+will be regularly elected by committed community members. &#187;
+
+Promoters of Mageia know they need to set up lots of things, i guess that all
+this craze for Mageia has gone beoynd all imagining, showing that expectation
+for such a projet is huge.
+
+Patience is then needed, i am sure that soon all skills will be useful !
+
+
+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
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+ <B>Margot</B>
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+<PRE>Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
+not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
+countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
+never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
+
+Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+We teach, you learn...
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+ <B>Marc Fr&#233;d&#233;ric GOMEZ - MG Consultants</B>
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+<PRE>Me too
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+Best Regards
+Marc F. GOMEZ
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+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Ernest N. Wilcox
+Jr.
+Envoy&#233;&#160;: lundi 20 septembre 2010 08:26
+&#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
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+On Sunday, September 19, 2010 12:15 LuismaGo wrote:
+ | 2010/9/19 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+ | &gt; Hi,
+ | &gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+ | &gt;
+ | &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+ | &gt;
+ | &gt; This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it
+ | &gt; isn't just some variation of the Mandriva star...
+ |
+ | +1. May be some improvement could be done, but it's great: nice and
+ | simple enough.
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+He says he is not an artist, but just look at what he put together!
+<A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+My vote goes for this one.
+--
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+&gt;<i> My vote goes for this one.
+</I>
+maybe you could wait that every graphics artists have send their proposal
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+&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Because it is currently the best logo I have seen so far, I have a few
+suggestions to give it a final shape.
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+1. Use a white background only for your logo. It must be clear and look
+good everywhere it is would be placed and used.
+By the way, I really like the shadow, even though it looks a little bit
+too low perhaps.
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+2. A really liked the various colours you applied to the letters
+previously. It is really fashionable, and contrasted a little with the
+serious font you have chosen, offering an interesting balance between
+the serious and the eye candy in the logo.
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+3. The logo, as an image, is currently limited to the name and it's
+letters. There is no icon in the logo that could represent the
+distribution by itself. Yet, I do see on your pics some blue bubbles
+going up on the right. You should try to replace them by something that
+would clearly remember the magic there has always been in the system
+since Mandrake : flying stars I would say.
+VirtualBox OSE has done a representation of all the major Linux distros,
+ours included, but without copying exactly the logos (except for
+Ubuntu). You can probably inspire yourself from this :
+<A HREF="http://www.virtualbox.org/about_1600px.png">http://www.virtualbox.org/about_1600px.png</A>
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+What I mean here is that your logo is, according to me, the most
+polished and the one who just feels the best I believe. The only detail
+missing is important : the identity to which we have been attached to
+for so long. Add the magic in your logo and it should be among the best
+suggestions for good. :-)
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+You will also have to deliver a monochromatic version of your logo, once
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 17:55:03, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> button etc
+</I>
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+Ooops!
+ Better the the link:
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+<A HREF="http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg">http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg</A>
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+&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> button etc
+</I>
+
+ a draft with Inkscape ... Photoshop don't run on my Mandriva ;) ! I promote
+the use of Inkscape and SVG format because all elements are alterable.
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+Notice: I use a no-free fonts (Wirwenzaw), unusable in our case, but we are
+fare from the definive logo , I think :)
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 17:55:03, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inspiration
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> button etc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;a draft with Inkscape ... Photoshop don't run on my Mandriva ;) &#160;! &#160;I promote
+</I>&gt;<i> the use of Inkscape and SVG format because all elements are alterable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Notice: &#160;I use a no-free fonts (Wirwenzaw), unusable in our case, but we are
+</I>&gt;<i> fare from the definive logo , I think :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;Franck
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+My first attempt, I wasn't sure if there should be some reflection
+from the moon with the text sitting on it or not.
+<A HREF="http://themoralcarnivore.deviantart.com/art/Logo-for-Mageia-179901309">http://themoralcarnivore.deviantart.com/art/Logo-for-Mageia-179901309</A>
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+I have helped Mandriva translation since 2005 and have communication
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/</A>
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+Uploading to flickr they can be commented easily.
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+On Lunes, 20 de Septiembre de 2010 11:14:44 franck escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 17:55:03, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; button etc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ooops!
+</I>&gt;<i> Better the the link:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg">http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Franck
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+<PRE>El dom, 19-09-2010 a las 21:01 +0100, Pierre-Malo Deni&#233;lou escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Have you think about making a logo based on a triskelion? It can be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; connected with &quot;magic&quot; and each spiral could represent mageia community
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as described in <A HREF="http://mageia.org/">http://mageia.org/</A> (users, makers, advocates)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you mean like that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://trisquel.info/">http://trisquel.info/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :-)
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+Oh, I didn't know another distributions was already using it :-(
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+<PRE>On Monday 20 September 2010 Margot wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
+</I>&gt;<i> not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
+</I>&gt;<i> countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
+</I>&gt;<i> never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+</I>&gt;<i> anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+</I>
+Could you elaborate on what purpose you see such a group serving?
+Perhaps one never existed for Mandriva is because no one could think
+of a good reason for creating it. :)
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+It seems to me that geographically based user groups serve little
+purpose. In contrast to language based user groups which clearly are
+needed, as evidenced by the success of Blogdrake and others.
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+translator, not-well-experienced packager (you may head MVT repo) and
+Mandriva Turkiye forum admin. I can contribute in those ways. I have
+already translated announcement to turkish. Please include this
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 06:54:28PM +0200, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Feel free to comment. I'll be carrefully reading this thread !
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+</I>&gt;<i> The following is pretty interesting:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mirrorbrain.org/">http://mirrorbrain.org/</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> The server you run this from should have a good connection though. It
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically monitors the mirrors for freshness, and only redirects if
+</I>&gt;<i> the files are available. Small files can be configured to be served
+</I>&gt;<i> directly from the main machine.
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+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jim at jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Monday 20 September 2010 Margot wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you elaborate on what purpose you see such a group serving?
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps one never existed for Mandriva is because no one could think
+</I>&gt;<i> of a good reason for creating it. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to me that geographically based user groups serve little
+</I>&gt;<i> purpose. In contrast to language based user groups which clearly are
+</I>&gt;<i> needed, as evidenced by the success of Blogdrake and others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think that local user groups are useful to organize events like beer
+tasting or distribution specific install party
+However I fail to see the purpose at country level
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+ <B>Olivier M&#233;jean</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Monday 20 September 2010 Margot wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>[...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to me that geographically based user groups serve little
+</I>&gt;<i> purpose. In contrast to language based user groups which clearly are
+</I>&gt;<i> needed, as evidenced by the success of Blogdrake and others.
+</I>
+I disagree.
+
+You are right about the language when it is needed such as translation.
+Wherever you come does not matter when doing a translation and
+internationalisation.
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+You are wrong about little purpose of geographically based users since those
+groups are direct relays on the ground. For example, how would you do an
+install party in Britain without a local group there ? You would do not
+&lt;master yoda mode :-) &gt;
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+<PRE> Le 20/09/2010 11:44, James Kerr a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Monday 20 September 2010 Margot wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you elaborate on what purpose you see such a group serving?
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps one never existed for Mandriva is because no one could think
+</I>&gt;<i> of a good reason for creating it. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It seems to me that geographically based user groups serve little
+</I>&gt;<i> purpose. In contrast to language based user groups which clearly are
+</I>&gt;<i> needed, as evidenced by the success of Blogdrake and others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jim
+</I>
+It may be useful to create a mageia-uk structure to promote and regroup
+users in all the United Kingdom, but only a website portal then, because
+the anglophone forum would be the international one in english.
+
+There could also be a mageia-us website portal, linking to the same
+anglophone wiki and forum. Yet, an independant portal would help
+informing local users of local news and events, in addition to the
+worldwide news and events. The aim is to help UK and US users to also
+have local news according to their territory and be able to organize and
+avertise about Mageia events in the UK or the US, and also have some
+Open Source news form these territories.
+
+The forum and the wiki that are still in construction (if they are) are
+language-dependant. But I think that a website portal can be community
+maintained and can be dependant on a territory to be able to offer
+specific news and events as well. Non-anglophone countries do have their
+own portals and local news and events, I see no reason for UK and US
+communities to not have their own, despite linking it to the
+anglophone/international forum.
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+Well, that's just an idea...
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+<PRE>On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &#160;Le 20/09/2010 11:44, James Kerr a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday 20 September 2010 Margot wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you elaborate on what purpose you see such a group serving?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Perhaps one never existed for Mandriva is because no one could think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of a good reason for creating it. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It seems to me that geographically based user groups serve little
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> purpose. In contrast to language based user groups which clearly are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed, as evidenced by the success of Blogdrake and others.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jim
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be useful to create a mageia-uk structure to promote and regroup
+</I>&gt;<i> users in all the United Kingdom, but only a website portal then, because the
+</I>&gt;<i> anglophone forum would be the international one in english.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There could also be a mageia-us website portal, linking to the same
+</I>&gt;<i> anglophone wiki and forum. Yet, an independant portal would help informing
+</I>&gt;<i> local users of local news and events, in addition to the worldwide news and
+</I>&gt;<i> events. The aim is to help UK and US users to also have local news according
+</I>&gt;<i> to their territory and be able to organize and avertise about Mageia events
+</I>&gt;<i> in the UK or the US, and also have some Open Source news form these
+</I>&gt;<i> territories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forum and the wiki that are still in construction (if they are) are
+</I>&gt;<i> language-dependant. But I think that a website portal can be community
+</I>&gt;<i> maintained and can be dependant on a territory to be able to offer specific
+</I>&gt;<i> news and events as well. Non-anglophone countries do have their own portals
+</I>&gt;<i> and local news and events, I see no reason for UK and US communities to not
+</I>&gt;<i> have their own, despite linking it to the anglophone/international forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that's just an idea...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Skiper.
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The same would go for India...I'm considering a mageia.in domain and
+adding Mageia specific articles in the local languages. Although for
+India, we have close to 28 official languages (each with their own
+scripts) and of course- English. But it could be manageable with help.
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+<PRE>I fully agree with this opinion. Linux-libre should be offered to free
+software addict users while propierty drives and other non-free software
+included as a choice.
+
+2010/9/20 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> It would be good to give this to the user. I agree with her.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Em 19 de setembro de 2010 17:50, Andr&#233; Machado &lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt; escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> People,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now that the distro is starting, it's easier to define the course of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> project. We have to make sure we're doing the right thing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussed: support for the Stallman's group could be very advantageous, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> source code should be available.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> install your kernel linux-libre .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux kernel maintained by the FSF
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distros that offer it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where the user can install a system with it by typing something like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;install = libre&quot; or something similar at boot time of this media. Of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For more information, see:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/">http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Filipe Saraiva
+</I>&gt;<i> **************************************
+</I>&gt;<i> Meu blog: <A HREF="http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/">http://www.liberdadenafronteira.blogspot.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> I think that local user groups are useful to organize events like beer
+</I>&gt;<i> tasting or distribution specific install party
+</I>&gt;<i> However I fail to see the purpose at country level
+</I>
+Some people prefer communicating in their native language.
+
+But it must not be one for each country, rather divided into languages, or
+very similar languages i think.
+As en example swedish, norwegian, and danish people understand their others
+written language pretty well and could have one group together. (also a lot
+of finnish people speak swedish but far from all)
+
+I guess language groups would make more sense.
+English, Spanish, French, Arab, Chinese cover most of the world...
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+<PRE>Please, do something light and positive, simple and catchy. Don't make it so
+dark.
+
+On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Donald Stewart &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">watersnowrock at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 20 September 2010 10:09, franck &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">franckdoucet at orange.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 17:55:03, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I imagine something with the magic crystal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Unfortunatley i am not good in graphics but i will try to give an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; inspiration
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg">http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/5072/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The crystal as logo could have multiple usage like in stickers, in kmenu
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; button etc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a draft with Inkscape ... Photoshop don't run on my Mandriva ;) ! I
+</I>&gt;<i> promote
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the use of Inkscape and SVG format because all elements are alterable.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Notice: I use a no-free fonts (Wirwenzaw), unusable in our case, but we
+</I>&gt;<i> are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fare from the definive logo , I think :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Franck
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My first attempt, I wasn't sure if there should be some reflection
+</I>&gt;<i> from the moon with the text sitting on it or not.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://themoralcarnivore.deviantart.com/art/Logo-for-Mageia-179901309">http://themoralcarnivore.deviantart.com/art/Logo-for-Mageia-179901309</A>
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+<PRE>On Sun, 19 Sep 2010, Andr&#233; Machado wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Well, just now everyone is having many good ideas related to logo, codename and other stuffs. Will the decision power people in Mageia consider what we are writig here? Or in that list/irc channel we can talk directily with main developers/directors?
+</I>
+Of course, people are reading all messages :)
+But for now, everybody is busy reading all the reactions ... There are
+so many messages everywhere that it's hard to follow everything.
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+repository (MVT)
+
+2010/9/20 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Den 2010-09-20 12:16:13 skrev Pascal Terjan:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that local user groups are useful to organize events like beer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tasting or distribution specific install party
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However I fail to see the purpose at country level
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some people prefer communicating in their native language.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But it must not be one for each country, rather divided into languages, or
+</I>&gt;<i> very similar languages i think.
+</I>&gt;<i> As en example swedish, norwegian, and danish people understand their others
+</I>&gt;<i> written language pretty well and could have one group together. (also a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> of finnish people speak swedish but far from all)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess language groups would make more sense.
+</I>&gt;<i> English, Spanish, French, Arab, Chinese cover most of the world...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Personally I prefer one large forum for wider knowledge and faster replies.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes!
+</I>&gt;<i> From: atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Mon, September 20, 2010 12:25 pm
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I fully agree with this opinion. Linux-libre should be offered to free
+</I>&gt;<i> software addict users while propierty drives and other non-free software
+</I>&gt;<i> included as a choice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Filipe Saraiva &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">filip.saraiva at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It would be good to give this to the user. I agree with her.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Em 19 de setembro de 2010 17:50, Andr&#233; Machado &lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andreferreiramachado at yahoo.com.br</A>&gt; escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; People,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Now that the distro is starting, it's easier to define the course of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; project. We have to make sure we're doing the right thing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Something to be discussed is whether the distro will follow the guidelines
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of the FSF and have only free software on it. This is something to be widely
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; discussed: support for the Stallman's group could be very advantageous, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would sacrifice the end user experience. Proprietary software could be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; placed in a separate repository. Another point is that according GPL, all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; source code should be available.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But something the distro MUST have as an option to the user - that would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; bring a lot of free software activists for our side - regardless of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; choice to be made in relation to this requirement as is the ability to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; install your kernel linux-libre .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Basically, linux-libre is a fork of the Linux kernel maintained by the FSF
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Latin America that has no binary blobs. Currently, there are very few
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distros that offer it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I believe he should be in the repositories or on the installation media,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; where the user can install a system with it by typing something like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;install = libre&quot; or something similar at boot time of this media. Of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; course, we offer regular Linux kernel as default.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For more information, see:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/">http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>
+Is the free equal GNU/Linux? The Debian/Ubuntu follow this philosphy but
+we don't need it. We have a great kernel devel/maintainer (tmb). I want
+to he maintain the mageia kernel in future.
+...and this new distribution doesn't need follow the Ubuntu. We may go
+on new way.
+
+Aleph
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/20 franck &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">franckdoucet at orange.fr</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ooops!
+</I>&gt;<i> Better the the link:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg">http://franck.doucet.pagesperso-orange.fr/images/mageia.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I like a lot the second (in the page) with the blue crystal
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+&gt;<i> Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+repository (MVT)
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+Hi Atilla,
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+while I understand why you did that previously with Mandriva, I think we
+should aim to have ALL packages in the central repositories with Mageia.
+For example the tools you mentioned can be useful to people outside
+Turkey too (there are so many Turks living all over Europe), who will
+never find out that they even exist if they are hidden away in a local
+MVT repository.
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+I hope the Mageia repos will be managed in such a way that it will be
+much easier for occasional contributors to contribute packages.
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+I have been active with some packaging as well in the past (see:
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxtech.net/downloads/">http://www.linuxtech.net/downloads/</A> ), but never bothered to get them
+included in the Mandriva repos as the procedure wasn't clear and the
+info on how to do it that I found made it look complicated and
+time-consuming to do so.
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+Mageia should have an additional contrib repository where it's easy for
+occasional contributors to submit packages, even when the submitter
+can't guarantee to maintain them long-term.
+Of course it should be made clear for the users that these packages are
+from external contributors and not regularly maintained but even so they
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+&gt;<i> Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>&gt;<i> won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+</I>&gt;<i> tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+</I>&gt;<i> repository (MVT)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Excactly, like the 'skai' package with a program for a greek tv station
+</I>that we have in the repository of the greek community (MGR) There are some
+programs that target the users localy only
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+&gt;<i> Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>&gt;<i> won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+</I>&gt;<i> tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+</I>&gt;<i> repository (MVT)
+</I>
+Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of
+people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language,
+turkish for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our
+efforts in Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible
+having too many different repositories. Programs are usually not
+territory dependant.
+
+That's out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on
+this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and
+simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many
+extra repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would
+even force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo
+and then access te program they were looking for. So, that's just no to me.
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+&gt;<i> &#160;Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repository (MVT)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of people.
+</I>&gt;<i> Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language, turkish for
+</I>&gt;<i> xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our efforts in Mageias
+</I>&gt;<i> official repositories and avoid as much as possible having too many
+</I>&gt;<i> different repositories. Programs are usually not territory dependant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on
+</I>&gt;<i> this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and
+</I>&gt;<i> simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many extra
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would even
+</I>&gt;<i> force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo and then
+</I>&gt;<i> access te program they were looking for. So, that's just no to me.
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+I'm not insisting on seperate repositories. Why we (as Mandriva
+Turkiye) created that repository is some packages can not be accepted,
+like zemberek (See: <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=46479">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=46479</A>)
+according to mdv packaging policies. And as you may know i am not a
+well experienced, professional packager. As you can see, Michael
+Scherer tried to show me the light but for a short time. There is no
+assistance for third party packagers. Also, contributing to Mandriva
+such a way was not well documented.
+
+Also you may noticed kde3 mvt packages on Mandriva Forum/Community
+RPMS section.
+
+What i mean is that local communities are necessity, People want to
+get help and assistance in their own language. Also, especially in
+Turkey, Linux users unite around those Turkish communities. We are
+either member or admin of nearly every linux related community forums
+in Turkey. Thats the only way to edvertse linux and provide help in my
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+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> while I understand why you did that previously with Mandriva, I think we
+</I>&gt;<i> should aim to have ALL packages in the central repositories with Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>If te policy of Mageia is to have a central repository with all package it
+is excellent no problem for me
+But eg i have an rpm of the libfreetype6 modified specialy for the greek
+fonts because the plf version breaks the layout of the greek fonts:
+<A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=56825">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=56825</A>
+And i had these rpms in the greek repo
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/libfreetype6-2.3.12-99.1mgr2010.1.i586.rpm">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/libfreetype6-2.3.12-99.1mgr2010.1.i586.rpm</A>
+
+But is only an exception, i am agree to have a central repository. In a mug
+assembly have asked to have a search engine to search rpms in all
+communities repos. We ve never could do it, so to have one repository is a
+solution to this.
+
+I can maintain for the mageia these rpms :
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/</A> (except the libfreetype6
+ofcourse :D )
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+Middle Eastern purposes.
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+It is still pointing nowhere, but I will sort it out in due course.
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+<PRE>I totally agree with Thomas,
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+as some may know, the German community has their own repo as well. The reason
+was the somehow difficult procedure in contributing packages to Mandriva.
+But: we have decided to contribute to mageia directly in the future. Like
+Thomas said, many Third-party repos make it difficult for the users to find and
+install packages. It also leads to dependency problems sometimes, when
+packages from different third party repos collide.
+And even if there are packages which are only of use to people with some
+language, nationality and so on. Why shouldn't they be in the official repos.
+E.g. I don't speak any asian language but the tools for those languages did
+never disturb me. They were just there in the repo without ane sideeffects to
+my system...
+
+Oliver
+
+Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; repository (MVT)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of
+</I>&gt;<i> people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language,
+</I>&gt;<i> turkish for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our
+</I>&gt;<i> efforts in Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible
+</I>&gt;<i> having too many different repositories. Programs are usually not
+</I>&gt;<i> territory dependant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on
+</I>&gt;<i> this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and
+</I>&gt;<i> simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many
+</I>&gt;<i> extra repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would
+</I>&gt;<i> even force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo
+</I>&gt;<i> and then access te program they were looking for. So, that's just no to me.
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+<PRE>Dimitrios, i think we can manage to put our rpms into oficial
+communtiy repository if Mageia devs agree. Your freetype package, if
+it is not plf , can be placed in that repo with different %name. But i
+think, at least a profeesional packager shold review our packages and
+show us our faults and how to correct them. This way;
+- make us trained
+- make our packages better QA
+- make us a part of Mageia packagers
+- make every mageia user reach them from one official repo
+- make stop duplicating efforts
+
+2010/9/20 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> while I understand why you did that previously with Mandriva, I think we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should aim to have ALL packages in the central repositories with Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If te policy of Mageia is to have a central repository with all package it
+</I>&gt;<i> is excellent no problem for me
+</I>&gt;<i> But eg i have an rpm of the libfreetype6 modified specialy for the greek
+</I>&gt;<i> fonts because the plf version breaks the layout of the greek fonts:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=56825">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=56825</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> And i had these rpms in the greek repo
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/libfreetype6-2.3.12-99.1mgr2010.1.i586.rpm">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/libfreetype6-2.3.12-99.1mgr2010.1.i586.rpm</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But is only an exception, i am agree to have a central repository. In a mug
+</I>&gt;<i> assembly&#160; have asked to have a search engine to search rpms in all
+</I>&gt;<i> communities repos. We ve never could do it, so to have one repository is a
+</I>&gt;<i> solution to this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can maintain for the mageia these rpms :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/">http://www.mandrivalinux.gr/rpm/2010.1/i586/</A> (except the libfreetype6
+</I>&gt;<i> ofcourse :D )
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>I would add it to the flickr group as it is magically beautiful :)
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 11:45 PM, patrick.2 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">patrick.2 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le Sun, 19 Sep 2010 22:44:08 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> Jean Peyratout &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jean.peyratout at abul.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ... no cutting the link ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect43661.png</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Patrick.
+</I>&gt;<i> envoye depuis le monde libre ...
+</I>&gt;<i> par un Pc sous Mandriva 2011.0 ( cooker ) !
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+&gt;<i> Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; won't placed in official repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of
+</I>&gt;<i> people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language,
+</I>&gt;<i> turkish for xample, may need it.
+</I>
+I totally agree with Thomas,
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+as some may know, the German community has their own repo as well. The reason
+was the somehow difficult procedure in contributing packages to Mandriva.
+But: we have decided to contribute to mageia directly in the future. Like
+Thomas said, many Third-party repos make it difficult for the users to find and
+install packages. It also leads to dependency problems sometimes, when
+packages from different third party repos collide.
+And even if there are packages which are only of use to people with some
+language, nationality and so on. Why shouldn't they be in the official repos.
+E.g. I don't speak any asian language but the tools for those languages did
+never disturb me. They were just there in the repo without ane sideeffects to
+my system...
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>I'm agree with this opinion as i wrote a minute ago to the UK user
+community? subject. But as you know we, therd party packagers are not
+well experienced packagers. An official packager should review our
+packages and aasist to correct issues. So, we can learn more and
+provide better packages. As a result users can reach their needs from
+official contrib or communtiy repo.
+
+2010/9/20 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">burger at webgis.de</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I totally agree with Thomas,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as some may know, the German community has their own repo as well. The reason
+</I>&gt;<i> was the somehow difficult procedure in contributing packages to Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> But: we have decided to contribute to mageia directly in the future. Like
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas said, many Third-party repos make it difficult for the users to find and
+</I>&gt;<i> install packages. It also leads to dependency problems sometimes, when
+</I>&gt;<i> packages from different third party repos collide.
+</I>&gt;<i> And even if there are packages which are only of use to people with some
+</I>&gt;<i> language, nationality and so on. Why shouldn't they be in the official repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> E.g. I don't speak any asian language but the tools for those languages did
+</I>&gt;<i> never disturb me. They were just there in the repo without ane sideeffects to
+</I>&gt;<i> my system...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; repository (MVT)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> turkish for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> efforts in Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> having too many different repositories. Programs are usually not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> territory dependant.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> extra repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and then access te program they were looking for. So, that's just no to me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
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+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver Burger
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+<PRE>The use of local groups has been already told - especially for events
+in their country/area and promoting Mageia to the local media, etc.
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+Then there is the language reason as already said: I can understand
+that there is no reason for a special language forum for UK, USA,
+Canada, etc. like there is no reason for a special language forum for
+Austria and Switzerland when there is a German community.
+
+Then the repositories.
+As others MandrivaUser.de has its repository with lots of packages and
+own Mandriva Linux editions, resulting from user requests ands own
+ideas, comparable with MIB. We have no problems to integrate all that
+in a general contrib repository. But there is one important point:
+All packages in that contrib repo have to follow certain rules
+(signatures, versioning, no license violations, etc.). Although such
+rules are essential they will cause certain groups or single packagers
+to stay out of this general repository as has been the case with
+Mandriva Linux.
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+for mirror maintainers and users) I doubt that it will come to that.
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/20 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> But there is one important point:
+</I>&gt;<i> All packages in that contrib repo have to follow certain rules
+</I>&gt;<i> (signatures, versioning, no license violations, etc.). Although such
+</I>&gt;<i> rules are essential they will cause certain groups or single packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> to stay out of this general repository as has been the case with
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux.
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+</I>
+Wolgang, yoU well pointed out that i have forgot. That is an important matter.
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+&gt;<i> So, although I would wish only one repository (makes it much easier
+</I>&gt;<i> for mirror maintainers and users) I doubt that it will come to that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Did you seen this?: <A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=131244">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=131244</A>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 02:52:58, Dale Huckeby a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Um, that's not the one I was praising. It was
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg.">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg.</A> The latter is a clean
+</I>&gt;<i> and modern design, evocative of the name, slightly mysterious with the
+</I>&gt;<i> flames rising from the orb, just a really, really nice design. Cuddly
+</I>&gt;<i> penguins and what always looked like a star-shaped pillow always left me
+</I>&gt;<i> feeling faintly embarrassed at the amateurish look. This one doesn't look
+</I>&gt;<i> amateurish at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
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+I love this one, a really professional design.
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+ <B>Margot</B>
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+Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le 20/09/2010 11:44, James Kerr a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Monday 20 September 2010 Margot wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I've not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; some other countries as they already had active Mandriva user
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; communities - I never managed to find one for the UK, so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; perhaps it never existed!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Could you elaborate on what purpose you see such a group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; serving? Perhaps one never existed for Mandriva is because no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; one could think of a good reason for creating it. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It seems to me that geographically based user groups serve
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; little purpose. In contrast to language based user groups which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; clearly are needed, as evidenced by the success of Blogdrake
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and others.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jim
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be useful to create a mageia-uk structure to promote and
+</I>&gt;<i> regroup users in all the United Kingdom, but only a website
+</I>&gt;<i> portal then, because the anglophone forum would be the
+</I>&gt;<i> international one in english.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There could also be a mageia-us website portal, linking to the
+</I>&gt;<i> same anglophone wiki and forum. Yet, an independant portal would
+</I>&gt;<i> help informing local users of local news and events, in addition
+</I>&gt;<i> to the worldwide news and events. The aim is to help UK and US
+</I>&gt;<i> users to also have local news according to their territory and be
+</I>&gt;<i> able to organize and avertise about Mageia events in the UK or
+</I>&gt;<i> the US, and also have some Open Source news form these
+</I>&gt;<i> territories.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forum and the wiki that are still in construction (if they
+</I>&gt;<i> are) are language-dependant. But I think that a website portal
+</I>&gt;<i> can be community maintained and can be dependant on a territory
+</I>&gt;<i> to be able to offer specific news and events as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> Non-anglophone countries do have their own portals and local news
+</I>&gt;<i> and events, I see no reason for UK and US communities to not have
+</I>&gt;<i> their own, despite linking it to the anglophone/international
+</I>&gt;<i> forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that's just an idea...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Skiper.
+</I>
+Several reasons why I thought a UK user group would be useful:
+
+1) The international language of computing is English, but WHICH
+English? A UK group could check documentation and make sure that it
+is understandable to UK users and does not use words or phrases
+which mean one thing in UK English and something completely
+different in other varieties of English (the pants/trousers
+problem!).
+
+2) Making it easier to organise a physical presence to promote
+Mageia at UK computer/FLOSS/Linux events.
+
+3) Identifying (and, with any luck, finding some way of fixing) any
+problems with interfaces between Mageia and UK-specific devices or
+services - for instance, the UK government seems still to be going
+ahead with DAB radio while the rest of the world is using something
+else.
+
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+**Otford Ducks Computers**
+We teach, you learn...
+...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+&gt;<i> Dimitrios, i think we can manage to put our rpms into oficial
+</I>&gt;<i> communtiy repository if Mageia devs agree. Your freetype package, if
+</I>&gt;<i> it is not plf , can be placed in that repo with different %name. But i
+</I>&gt;<i> think, at least a profeesional packager shold review our packages and
+</I>&gt;<i> show us our faults and how to correct them. This way;
+</I>&gt;<i> - make us trained
+</I>&gt;<i> - make our packages better QA
+</I>&gt;<i> - make us a part of Mageia packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> - make every mageia user reach them from one official repo
+</I>&gt;<i> - make stop duplicating efforts
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Agree, the french association mandrivafr.org has a mailing list to help
+beginers and not, to learning how to build rpm packages and make
+corrections/suggestions. It would be very good to have something similar to
+mageia too.
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, although I would wish only one repository (makes it much easier
+</I>&gt;<i> for mirror maintainers and users) I doubt that it will come to that.
+</I>
+Why so pessimistic? I don't see why it shouldn't be possible.
+
+I think there should be an new repo called for example contrib-extra, to
+which occasional contributors can contribute.
+
+I can see it working the following way:
+
+The contributor submits the SRPM (source RPM) of the package he/she has
+made, then a Mageia packager looks at the spec file and the
+other included files to see that it all looks ok, then builds it on the
+official build servers (signed with a Mageia key) and then places it
+into the contrib-extra repository.
+
+The difference between the contrib-extra repo and the more official
+repos should be that the rules for inclusion should be less strict (no
+commitment from the contributor to keep the package updated, no official
+debugging and support from Mageia, acceptance of less free licenses, no
+need to stringently follow former Mandriva packaging rules, etc).
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+ from atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I'm not insisting on seperate repositories. Why we (as Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Turkiye) created that repository is some packages can not be accepted,
+</I>&gt;<i> like zemberek (See: <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=46479">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=46479</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> according to mdv packaging policies.
+</I>
+The multiplication of repositories makes it difficult (read: bloody
+impossible) to see/know at a go all that is available.
+
+And the idea of local repos seems very short-sighted IMO; just as an example,
+I am French, live in Paraguay, and use French, English, German, Japanese and
+at times Hebrew; which local repo should I subscribe to ?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ In science there is only physics;
+ all the rest is stamp collecting.
+ -- Ernest Rutherford
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+First, let me present myself. My name is Michael Scherer, and for those
+that do not already know me, I am a member of the Mandriva packaging
+community, and one of the 4 zarb.org admins. I am also involved in the
+launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago.
+
+I just went back from FUDCON 2010 Zurich yesterday evening and I have
+been quite overhelmed by the amount of discussion that is going on at
+the moment, and I must confess that I feel more than stressed by
+everything that is going on, to the point I still didn't connect to irc
+yet.
+
+Of course, we are all happy of the tremendous support of the community,
+but more than 500 messages in 2 days is a little bit too much for me to
+digest, and so I would like to share a few points :
+
+- please try to avoid sending emails like &quot;i would like to help to
+$FOO&quot;. While we are quite happy to see such mails, they are not very
+helpful at the moment since we have to sort everything, and we cannot
+accept help on $FOO yet. We have started to think about how we can
+manage this, and we will likely soon setup a temporary wiki so people
+can add their name ( likely tomorrow, once we have sorted the really
+urgent stuff ), but in the mean time, I think people should wait a
+little. I would also like to remind you that you can also wait for us to
+ask for help, ie once we will need it. Let's say someone want to
+translate the distribution in french. If you want to do it, do not say
+&quot;I want to translate&quot;. Just wait until we have something to translate
+when we will ask for help, and then sent the email. Or add your name on
+the wiki once it will be set up and announced. By acting this way, we
+will be more efficient as we will not have to search back in the
+archives to see who offered what, and have less mails to read
+( especially when we are very very busy ).
+
+- please try to not start long discussions about technical details
+( like the thread about kernel-libre, about server component ). While of
+course we need to have technical discussions as every technical project,
+I must remind everybody that we do have any kind of infrastructure for
+the moment, so this is a little bit early to start. And discussing it
+now when we have nothing to commit or anything is IMHO distracting us
+from our priorities, and a source of future frustration for people, as
+we shouldn't make any decision in a hurry.
+
+- please do not forget there is some priorities in setting up. As
+someone who boast of having non existant skills in website on his blog,
+I am quite delighted to see people are eager to do the work, but I think
+we should first have a server to host the website before discussing of
+the logo. And so one. The same goes for codename, flickr account or
+others. So will I am happy to see that people are doing stuff that I
+will never be able to do properly, I think they need to realize that we
+are not ready to get contributions yet, and so that it will take time,
+and waiting can be frustrating, so please cope with us.
+
+- in the same idea, while it is wonderful to see that people want to
+start user groups in various country, I must remind the harsh reality
+that we have nothing to use yet. So there is no hurry yet. If people are
+really interested, I think it would be wiser to plan a little bit more
+the creation of the and try to get information on what is needed to
+manage a community, by reading books like &quot;The opensource way&quot;, or &quot;the
+art of community&quot;. I have plenty of ressources on the subject for those
+that want it, and I think it can take some time to digest.
+
+
+and, as a more personal note, please do not register every possible
+variation of the domain name. One of the few problems we faced while
+searching for a name was that a good part of all names were already
+used. And we painfully discovered that good names are a scarce
+ressource. So in order to be good netizens, I think we should act
+responsibly, and let others people use names even if not related to the
+project.
+
+Now, I must be clea, I do not ask to people to stop all discussions, far
+from it. You can discuss everything you want, but I would like to remind
+everybody to think a little bit of those that will read all the emails
+( like me ), and how much time this will cost to them. If I spend 1
+minute on every mail since the start ( as I need to get them from the
+web interface ), and since there was 520 mails in 2 days, this make 8
+hours to read everything properly ( without counting the 15 mails that
+appeared in the mean time.
+
+And while I will be reading this, I will not be setting the
+infrastructure or anything.
+
+Thanks for reading my boring mail and I hope to be back on you soon with
+more interesting news.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>2010/9/20 JackDaniels93 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jackda93 at free.fr</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 02:52:58, Dale Huckeby a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Um, that's not the one I was praising. It was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg.">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg.</A> The latter is a
+</I>&gt;<i> clean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and modern design, evocative of the name, slightly mysterious with the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; flames rising from the orb, just a really, really nice design. Cuddly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; penguins and what always looked like a star-shaped pillow always left me
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; feeling faintly embarrassed at the amateurish look. This one doesn't look
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; amateurish at all.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I love this one, a really professional design.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+The only thing is that it has to be redesigned because the image was picked
+in a google search so we dont have the rights, and it has to be unique with
+the personal mageia's character
+
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+ <B>Patricia Fraser</B>
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+&gt;<i> Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
+</I>&gt;<i> not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
+</I>&gt;<i> countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
+</I>&gt;<i> never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+</I>&gt;<i> anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+</I>
+I'd help! I'm in Poland, but I'd be interested in helping with any UK
+English localisation, and supporting and following UK group
+activities - including any marketing, because it's my nearest
+English-speaking country and my English is UK English, not US
+English. I use a UK keyboard, I use Euros and GBP, I use EN-GB
+dictionaries and thesauruses...
+
+While I agree that a complete repo is a good thing, local user/action
+groups make it possible to actually organise a large number of
+people, and to receive ideas from them in manageable chunks...
+
+Just an idea...
+
+--
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+52.4161N,16.9303E
+ma sep 20 13:34:15 CEST 2010
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+andromeda up 7 hour(s), 0 min.
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+<PRE>This sounds great.
+
+I like contrib-extra idea for occasional contributors.
+
+
+Bye.
+
+
+On Lunes, 20 de Septiembre de 2010 13:47:10 Tux99 escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, although I would wish only one repository (makes it much easier
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for mirror maintainers and users) I doubt that it will come to that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why so pessimistic? I don't see why it shouldn't be possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think there should be an new repo called for example contrib-extra, to
+</I>&gt;<i> which occasional contributors can contribute.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see it working the following way:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The contributor submits the SRPM (source RPM) of the package he/she has
+</I>&gt;<i> made, then a Mageia packager looks at the spec file and the
+</I>&gt;<i> other included files to see that it all looks ok, then builds it on the
+</I>&gt;<i> official build servers (signed with a Mageia key) and then places it
+</I>&gt;<i> into the contrib-extra repository.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The difference between the contrib-extra repo and the more official
+</I>&gt;<i> repos should be that the rules for inclusion should be less strict (no
+</I>&gt;<i> commitment from the contributor to keep the package updated, no official
+</I>&gt;<i> debugging and support from Mageia, acceptance of less free licenses, no
+</I>&gt;<i> need to stringently follow former Mandriva packaging rules, etc).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+Michael,
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+you might want to read these mailing lists via gmane.org using a good
+news (nntp) reader instead, that will make it a lot easier to skip
+threads you aren't interested in.
+
+With regards to the posts of people offering help, that's what the
+mageia website explicitly says, so you can't really now tell them not
+to do that (unless you change the test on the web site too):
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+indicating that you plan to follow the fork, let us know on IRC channel,
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+
+Understanding for your explanation.
+But there is one issue which brought up a question.
+You are writing &quot;launch of the Mageia project since the start some months
+ago&quot;.
+Am i misunderstanding, or did i think the plans just were born some days
+(weeks at the most) ago?
+
+isadora
+
+2010/9/20 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First, let me present myself. My name is Michael Scherer, and for those
+</I>&gt;<i> that do not already know me, I am a member of the Mandriva packaging
+</I>&gt;<i> community, and one of the 4 zarb.org admins. I am also involved in the
+</I>&gt;<i> launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just went back from FUDCON 2010 Zurich yesterday evening and I have
+</I>&gt;<i> been quite overhelmed by the amount of discussion that is going on at
+</I>&gt;<i> the moment, and I must confess that I feel more than stressed by
+</I>&gt;<i> everything that is going on, to the point I still didn't connect to irc
+</I>&gt;<i> yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, we are all happy of the tremendous support of the community,
+</I>&gt;<i> but more than 500 messages in 2 days is a little bit too much for me to
+</I>&gt;<i> digest, and so I would like to share a few points :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - please try to avoid sending emails like &quot;i would like to help to
+</I>&gt;<i> $FOO&quot;. While we are quite happy to see such mails, they are not very
+</I>&gt;<i> helpful at the moment since we have to sort everything, and we cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> accept help on $FOO yet. We have started to think about how we can
+</I>&gt;<i> manage this, and we will likely soon setup a temporary wiki so people
+</I>&gt;<i> can add their name ( likely tomorrow, once we have sorted the really
+</I>&gt;<i> urgent stuff ), but in the mean time, I think people should wait a
+</I>&gt;<i> little. I would also like to remind you that you can also wait for us to
+</I>&gt;<i> ask for help, ie once we will need it. Let's say someone want to
+</I>&gt;<i> translate the distribution in french. If you want to do it, do not say
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;I want to translate&quot;. Just wait until we have something to translate
+</I>&gt;<i> when we will ask for help, and then sent the email. Or add your name on
+</I>&gt;<i> the wiki once it will be set up and announced. By acting this way, we
+</I>&gt;<i> will be more efficient as we will not have to search back in the
+</I>&gt;<i> archives to see who offered what, and have less mails to read
+</I>&gt;<i> ( especially when we are very very busy ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - please try to not start long discussions about technical details
+</I>&gt;<i> ( like the thread about kernel-libre, about server component ). While of
+</I>&gt;<i> course we need to have technical discussions as every technical project,
+</I>&gt;<i> I must remind everybody that we do have any kind of infrastructure for
+</I>&gt;<i> the moment, so this is a little bit early to start. And discussing it
+</I>&gt;<i> now when we have nothing to commit or anything is IMHO distracting us
+</I>&gt;<i> from our priorities, and a source of future frustration for people, as
+</I>&gt;<i> we shouldn't make any decision in a hurry.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - please do not forget there is some priorities in setting up. As
+</I>&gt;<i> someone who boast of having non existant skills in website on his blog,
+</I>&gt;<i> I am quite delighted to see people are eager to do the work, but I think
+</I>&gt;<i> we should first have a server to host the website before discussing of
+</I>&gt;<i> the logo. And so one. The same goes for codename, flickr account or
+</I>&gt;<i> others. So will I am happy to see that people are doing stuff that I
+</I>&gt;<i> will never be able to do properly, I think they need to realize that we
+</I>&gt;<i> are not ready to get contributions yet, and so that it will take time,
+</I>&gt;<i> and waiting can be frustrating, so please cope with us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - in the same idea, while it is wonderful to see that people want to
+</I>&gt;<i> start user groups in various country, I must remind the harsh reality
+</I>&gt;<i> that we have nothing to use yet. So there is no hurry yet. If people are
+</I>&gt;<i> really interested, I think it would be wiser to plan a little bit more
+</I>&gt;<i> the creation of the and try to get information on what is needed to
+</I>&gt;<i> manage a community, by reading books like &quot;The opensource way&quot;, or &quot;the
+</I>&gt;<i> art of community&quot;. I have plenty of ressources on the subject for those
+</I>&gt;<i> that want it, and I think it can take some time to digest.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and, as a more personal note, please do not register every possible
+</I>&gt;<i> variation of the domain name. One of the few problems we faced while
+</I>&gt;<i> searching for a name was that a good part of all names were already
+</I>&gt;<i> used. And we painfully discovered that good names are a scarce
+</I>&gt;<i> ressource. So in order to be good netizens, I think we should act
+</I>&gt;<i> responsibly, and let others people use names even if not related to the
+</I>&gt;<i> project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, I must be clea, I do not ask to people to stop all discussions, far
+</I>&gt;<i> from it. You can discuss everything you want, but I would like to remind
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody to think a little bit of those that will read all the emails
+</I>&gt;<i> ( like me ), and how much time this will cost to them. If I spend 1
+</I>&gt;<i> minute on every mail since the start ( as I need to get them from the
+</I>&gt;<i> web interface ), and since there was 520 mails in 2 days, this make 8
+</I>&gt;<i> hours to read everything properly ( without counting the 15 mails that
+</I>&gt;<i> appeared in the mean time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And while I will be reading this, I will not be setting the
+</I>&gt;<i> infrastructure or anything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for reading my boring mail and I hope to be back on you soon with
+</I>&gt;<i> more interesting news.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Serait il possible de creer une liste francophone?
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+J'ai pu lire sur la liste des utilisateurs de mandriva, que nous sommes
+plusieurs &#224; vouloir participer a ce projet.
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+a friend of mine have send us this picture :
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+<A HREF="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</A>
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+waiting for your reaction ;)
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+ <B>Sadiq Saif</B>
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+
+Sadiq S
+mailto: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sadiq.9541 at gmail.com</A>
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+On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yves at antredugeek.fr</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> a friend of mine have send us this picture :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> waiting for your reaction ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hurdman aka yves-gael
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+2010/9/20 Sadiq Saif &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sadiq.9541 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> I really like the font, easy on the eyes. But the logo hmmm..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sadiq S
+</I>&gt;<i> mailto: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sadiq.9541 at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Blog: www.staticsafe.me
+</I>&gt;<i> Twitter - www.twitter.com/staticsafe
+</I>&gt;<i> Facebook- www.facebook.com/static.safe
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yves at antredugeek.fr</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a friend of mine have send us this picture :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> waiting for your reaction ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hurdman aka yves-gael
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+There is a general mailing-list in English, then there is a french
+list where the same topics are discussed. Same for the forums and the
+wiki. This often led to different solutions and different
+informations, depending on the language. Sometimes solutions were only
+available in French (remember the Instant-On desaster?) and the rest
+of the world did not know about it - and of course the other way
+round.
+
+Of course I do not have any solution, But for this time of first
+organisation I'd suggest not having split discussions with no bridge
+between - this can lead to misunderstandings and errors in this
+startup phase.
+
+
+2010/9/20 Jean-Christophe Monnard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jcm at predoenea.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Desole de ne pas ecrire en anglais.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Serait il possible de creer une liste francophone?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J'ai pu lire sur la liste des utilisateurs de mandriva, que nous sommes
+</I>&gt;<i> plusieurs &#224; vouloir participer a ce projet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Jean-Christophe Monnard
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+
+On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:17 PM, isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Lovely penguin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Sadiq Saif &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sadiq.9541 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I really like the font, easy on the eyes. But the logo hmmm..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sadiq S
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mailto: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sadiq.9541 at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Blog: www.staticsafe.me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Twitter - www.twitter.com/staticsafe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Facebook- www.facebook.com/static.safe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yves at antredugeek.fr</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a friend of mine have send us this picture :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> waiting for your reaction ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hurdman aka yves-gael
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+</I>&gt;<i> organisation I'd suggest not having split discussions with no bridge
+</I>&gt;<i> between - this can lead to misunderstandings and errors in this
+</I>&gt;<i> startup phase.
+</I>
+IMHO all English. I'm spanish speaking, but truth is that English is
+&quot;universal&quot; language, like it or not.
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+sites/lists, but in the main/official lists, webs, wiki, etc etc,
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+It's nice. Maybe someone with more &quot;artist&quot; spirit can give better
+opinions but the &quot;main&quot; idea is very nice.
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+<PRE>2010/9/20 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Of course I do not have any solution, But for this time of first
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> organisation I'd suggest not having split discussions with no bridge
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> between - this can lead to misunderstandings and errors in this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> startup phase.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO all English. I'm spanish speaking, but truth is that English is
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;universal&quot; language, like it or not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Every Community can/should use their own language in their
+</I>&gt;<i> sites/lists, but in the main/official lists, webs, wiki, etc etc,
+</I>&gt;<i> English must be the main language.
+</I>
+Right, but I may add to my previous mail that it should be the
+responsibility of community leaders and other members to forward
+information to and fro between the localized platforms and the general
+english lists. Not now, because, as Michael Scherer just wrote, the
+whole situation is overwhelming and chaotic likewise. Great,
+wonderful, thrilling, yes all that. But not really productive in many
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+
+ Well not really good for me. It reminds me a French mobile company :
+
+Here is the company :
+<A HREF="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/</A>
+
+ and here is their logo :
+<A HREF="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png</A>
+
+ JC
+
+2010/9/20 Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yves at antredugeek.fr</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> a friend of mine have send us this picture :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> waiting for your reaction ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hurdman aka yves-gael
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 &#224; 14:02 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michael,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you might want to read these mailing lists via gmane.org using a good
+</I>&gt;<i> news (nntp) reader instead, that will make it a lot easier to skip
+</I>&gt;<i> threads you aren't interested in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With regards to the posts of people offering help, that's what the
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia website explicitly says, so you can't really now tell them not
+</I>&gt;<i> to do that (unless you change the test on the web site too):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;For other contributors: if you want your name to be added to the list,
+</I>&gt;<i> indicating that you plan to follow the fork, let us know on IRC channel,
+</I>&gt;<i> or by email.&quot;
+</I>
+Well, as I said, I just went back. I have called Anne yesterday, and we
+will setup a more efficient process ( as I said in the mail ).
+
+And yes, I used gname. It was the first thing I planned to do this
+morning in order to be able to follow, but you beat me in registering
+it.
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+&gt;<i> Desole de ne pas ecrire en anglais.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Serait il possible de creer une liste francophone?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J'ai pu lire sur la liste des utilisateurs de mandriva, que nous sommes
+</I>&gt;<i> plusieurs &#224; vouloir participer a ce projet.
+</I>
+It's the advantage of linux distributions, it's free and you can learn English
+language.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why so pessimistic?
+</I>
+Because I see a necessity of some points you do not think necessary.
+And because I remember discussions about package rules.
+
+&gt;<i> The contributor submits the SRPM (source RPM) of the package he/she has
+</I>&gt;<i> made, then a Mageia packager looks at the spec file and the
+</I>&gt;<i> other included files to see that it all looks ok, then builds it on the
+</I>&gt;<i> official build servers (signed with a Mageia key) and then places it
+</I>&gt;<i> into the contrib-extra repository.
+</I>
+If you think we will have the manpower, ok. If you think these Mageia
+packagers will have the accpetance of all those independent packagers,
+ok.
+
+&gt;<i> The difference between the contrib-extra repo and the more official
+</I>&gt;<i> repos should be that the rules for inclusion should be less strict (no
+</I>&gt;<i> commitment from the contributor to keep the package updated, no official
+</I>&gt;<i> debugging and support from Mageia, acceptance of less free licenses, no
+</I>&gt;<i> need to stringently follow former Mandriva packaging rules, etc).
+</I>
+Hmm, this is something I can not follow your suggestion. IMHO a strict
+set of packaging rules is essential for the maintaining of the quality
+of the whole system, Of course I do not agree that there should be
+less free licenses accepted, except in a non-free repository. The only
+point I agree for such packages would be a &quot;non-obligation&quot; option.
+
+Of course, naming the repo &quot;contrib-extra&quot; and putting out a warning
+about the usage of this repo would clobber all &quot;pessimistic&quot; Ideas of
+mine. :)
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+&gt;<i> Thanks Michael,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Understanding for your explanation.
+</I>&gt;<i> But there is one issue which brought up a question.
+</I>&gt;<i> You are writing &quot;launch of the Mageia project since the start some
+</I>&gt;<i> months ago&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Am i misunderstanding, or did i think the plans just were born some
+</I>&gt;<i> days (weeks at the most) ago?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> isadora
+</I>Hi,
+
+I think many people may have started to dream of such a fork monthes ago
+and among Edge-IT people in particular. The predictable dead of the
+company supporting the distribution you work on can be very inviting to
+such dreams.
+
+I guess people started to speak about the possibility of a fork long ago
+without having real plans.
+
+As i can see no real website, no build system, no bugzilla, no forum i
+guess that the plans were indeed born some days ago even if Michael and
+probably a few others got used to dream and speak about it longer before :)
+
+Ma&#226;t
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And yes, I used gname. It was the first thing I planned to do this
+</I>&gt;<i> morning in order to be able to follow, but you beat me in registering
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>
+Sorry, a side note:
+Problem with gmane is the time difference - in gmane web interface
+this thread here only shows the initial mail from Michael, no replies
+at all. this is not usable at all.
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+ <B>Tux99</B>
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And yes, I used gname. It was the first thing I planned to do this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; morning in order to be able to follow, but you beat me in registering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, a side note:
+</I>&gt;<i> Problem with gmane is the time difference - in gmane web interface
+</I>&gt;<i> this thread here only shows the initial mail from Michael, no replies
+</I>&gt;<i> at all. this is not usable at all.
+</I>
+Use a nntp news reader with gmane, it's real time, this message of yours
+showed up at the same time in my inbox and on my Seamonkey news reader.
+
+I have never used the web UI for gmane so can't comment on that, but the
+main reason to use gmane is the nntp feed.
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/20 Dark Charlot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jcldc13 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> HI,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well not really good for me. It reminds me a French mobile company :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the company :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and here is their logo :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png">http://www.bouyguestelecom.fr/client/homev2/imagesSite/header/logo-bouygues-telecom.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> JC
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yves at antredugeek.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a friend of mine have send us this picture :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> waiting for your reaction ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>it reminds me the sony ericsson logo
+<A HREF="http://www.topnews.in/files/Sony.gif">http://www.topnews.in/files/Sony.gif</A>
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+I found that Argentinean domains:
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+* mageia.net.ar
+* mageia.org.ar
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+were available.
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+So, I registerd. I hope in the next few days I'll have some
+comfirmation from www.nic.ar
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+I also requested the registration for mageia.com.ar but it already had
+a request. So, I'm second on the list. Hope that previous request was
+from some user with goodwill.
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+Just ping me anytime to transfer the domains.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Use a nntp news reader with gmane, it's real time, this message of yours
+</I>&gt;<i> showed up at the same time in my inbox and on my Seamonkey news reader.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have never used the web UI for gmane so can't comment on that, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> main reason to use gmane is the nntp feed.
+</I>
+I'm constantly switching from one machine to another and from one OS
+to another, sometimes even using my smartphone to read or a netbook -
+so using a local client is not possible. The mailinglist sent to
+googlemail is my only option then.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png &#160; ofice use
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png gaming ready
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png general propose
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> enjoy
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;
+</I>
+Awesome as usual :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> a request. So, I'm second on the list. Hope that previous request was
+</I>&gt;<i> from some user with goodwill.
+</I>
+Well.. I received an e-mail from nic.ar saying that I can't register
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+<PRE>On 20 September 2010 12:02, Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#160;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because it is currently the best logo I have seen so far, I have a few
+</I>&gt;<i> suggestions to give it a final shape.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Use a white background only for your logo. It must be clear and look good
+</I>&gt;<i> everywhere it is would be placed and used.
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way, I really like the shadow, even though it looks a little bit too
+</I>&gt;<i> low perhaps.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. A really liked the various colours you applied to the letters previously.
+</I>&gt;<i> It is really fashionable, and contrasted a little with the serious font you
+</I>&gt;<i> have chosen, offering an interesting balance between the serious and the eye
+</I>&gt;<i> candy in the logo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. The logo, as an image, is currently limited to the name and it's letters.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no icon in the logo that could represent the distribution by
+</I>&gt;<i> itself. Yet, I do see on your pics some blue bubbles going up on the right.
+</I>&gt;<i> You should try to replace them by something that would clearly remember the
+</I>&gt;<i> magic there has always been in the system since Mandrake : flying stars I
+</I>&gt;<i> would say.
+</I>&gt;<i> VirtualBox OSE has done a representation of all the major Linux distros,
+</I>&gt;<i> ours included, but without copying exactly the logos (except for Ubuntu).
+</I>&gt;<i> You can probably inspire yourself from this :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.virtualbox.org/about_1600px.png">http://www.virtualbox.org/about_1600px.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What I mean here is that your logo is, according to me, the most polished
+</I>&gt;<i> and the one who just feels the best I believe. The only detail missing is
+</I>&gt;<i> important : the identity to which we have been attached to for so long. Add
+</I>&gt;<i> the magic in your logo and it should be among the best suggestions for good.
+</I>&gt;<i> :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You will also have to deliver a monochromatic version of your logo, once it
+</I>&gt;<i> will be finished, once again on a white/transparent background.
+</I>
+Why will he have to do that?
+
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+i would like to assist the project with some Hardware, Storage , Bandwidth and maybe know-how.
+I am using Linux professionally since 1999, today working as a development architect for carrier-grade Linux-based ISP- and Telecommunication solutions.
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+If it will be helpful for the community, please let me know what kind of hardware is in need.
+I have some IBM Blades ( Intel and Power ) left over in our Lab, connected to the internet.
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-20 07:41, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Other countries seem to be organising user communities, but I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not seen anything for the UK. Perhaps it is easier for some other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> countries as they already had active Mandriva user communities - I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> never managed to find one for the UK, so perhaps it never existed!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Has anybody set up anything for UK Mageia users? If not, would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anybody from the UK be prepared to help me to start something?
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd help! I'm in Poland, but I'd be interested in helping with any UK
+</I>&gt;<i> English localisation, and supporting and following UK group
+</I>&gt;<i> activities - including any marketing, because it's my nearest
+</I>&gt;<i> English-speaking country and my English is UK English, not US
+</I>&gt;<i> English. I use a UK keyboard, I use Euros and GBP, I use EN-GB
+</I>&gt;<i> dictionaries and thesauruses...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I agree that a complete repo is a good thing, local user/action
+</I>&gt;<i> groups make it possible to actually organise a large number of
+</I>&gt;<i> people, and to receive ideas from them in manageable chunks...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just an idea...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>I don't think there is anyway around this. Community and Language based
+domain sites will exist as these do also cover cultural and
+nationalistic boundaries. Human nature being what it is, we all want to
+belong to a piece of where we come from. It just depends on how we view
+or define ourselves.
+
+In a perfect world, the Mageia organisers (core group) would have
+pre-registered all important domain names and permutations considered
+important to the project. Even if &quot;Mageia (Linux)&quot; is called a
+community-based project, you still have to approach it from a &quot;business&quot;
+model. Organising the domain situation should be (should have been) top
+priority. Coordinating the registration of the localised (country-based)
+domains for any internet based endeavour (for-profit or non-profit
+organisation) should always figure in the initial planning stages.
+However, this would have required a considerable amount of financial
+outlay at the onset of the project as well as a great amount of
+coordination worldwide with cooperating partners -- you cannot register
+a country-based domain unless you are a citizen of that country or you
+risk being challenged on your ownership and risk losing your domain.
+
+It would then be reasonable to say that the Mageia project will need,
+after all of its initial organizing, to try to coordinate the
+cooperation of language and local websites. Being a community-based
+distro, it would be imperative on our parts to lend a hand at helping
+the project in this way in a non-discriminating way. That is to say, if
+we own a domain that is considered a TLD (top level domain) for this
+project, we should coordinate closely with the flag-ship Mageia domain
+(<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>).
+
+Most of the &quot;mageia&quot; domains and permutations that matter have pretty
+well been registered. The ones that mattered were well registered by the
+end of the day on Sunday. I would suggest that a further name change in
+the near future may be necessary if the coordination under the &quot;Mageia&quot;
+banner is too difficult to manage for the project.
+
+In my opinion, the localised magiea.country domains, should, for now,
+point to the main site, unless the localised site requires special
+language consideration with an obvious link to the main mageia website.
+The main Mageia site should make every effort to support language
+translation of important materials and organise language support fora
+for the different language groups. This, language support fora, should
+then be well coordinated so that a clear path of information makes it
+way back up to the Mageia structure for policy making. Making all work
+together regardless of language barriers is important. The use of Fora
+for the project is important, as for most users today, accessing a
+&quot;forums&quot; board is quite easily done and the feeling of belonging to the
+group is easily achievable. Mailists and NNTP (Usenet) are a little more
+difficult to maintain from a practical view for most users. Making it
+easy to participate to the community will attract a larger amount of
+users. Let's make it easy for users to join and participate.
+
+This then leads to the topic of the one overriding official language for
+the dissemination of Mageia information. We all know that, in the real
+intenational business world, the lingua franca is English. I would
+propose English as the unifying language for the site for all involved.
+This is not to disparage other languages as contributions could still be
+done in the particular fora on the site. The dissemination would then,
+of course, have to be done as much as possible in all languages
+supported by Mageia.
+
+Marc Par&#233;
+Canada
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+On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repository (MVT)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language, turkish for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our efforts in Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible having too many different repositories. Programs are usually not territory dependant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many extra repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would even force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo and then access te program they were looking for. So, that's just no to me.
+</I>
++1
+
+The easiest it is for the user, the better.
+
+Now with globalization, you can find anywhere on the world someone from anywhere of the world.
+
+As an ex-pat I know what I'm talking about.
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+<PRE>Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 14:02:39, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you might want to read these mailing lists via gmane.org using a good
+</I>&gt;<i> news (nntp) reader instead, that will make it a lot easier to skip
+</I>&gt;<i> threads you aren't interested in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With regards to the posts of people offering help, that's what the
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia website explicitly says, so you can't really now tell them not
+</I>&gt;<i> to do that (unless you change the test on the web site too):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;For other contributors: if you want your name to be added to the list,
+</I>&gt;<i> indicating that you plan to follow the fork, let us know on IRC channel,
+</I>&gt;<i> or by email.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hello world :)
+
+First, sorry for my english. I'm french and as many french, my english is rubbish :)
+
+Just few words to say tha the whole team is working hard on setting up a wiki to allow users to write the kind of help they could offer to this project. This will be set tomorrow, except if they are ready before. Many many thanks to everybody. Stay tuned :)
+
+Fredxx
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+&gt;<i> On 20 September 2010 12:02, Thomas Lottmann&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png">http://i0.simplest-image-hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because it is currently the best logo I have seen so far, I have a few
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggestions to give it a final shape.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Use a white background only for your logo. It must be clear and look good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everywhere it is would be placed and used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By the way, I really like the shadow, even though it looks a little bit too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> low perhaps.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. A really liked the various colours you applied to the letters previously.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is really fashionable, and contrasted a little with the serious font you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have chosen, offering an interesting balance between the serious and the eye
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> candy in the logo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. The logo, as an image, is currently limited to the name and it's letters.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is no icon in the logo that could represent the distribution by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> itself. Yet, I do see on your pics some blue bubbles going up on the right.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You should try to replace them by something that would clearly remember the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> magic there has always been in the system since Mandrake : flying stars I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would say.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> VirtualBox OSE has done a representation of all the major Linux distros,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ours included, but without copying exactly the logos (except for Ubuntu).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can probably inspire yourself from this :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.virtualbox.org/about_1600px.png">http://www.virtualbox.org/about_1600px.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What I mean here is that your logo is, according to me, the most polished
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and the one who just feels the best I believe. The only detail missing is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> important : the identity to which we have been attached to for so long. Add
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the magic in your logo and it should be among the best suggestions for good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You will also have to deliver a monochromatic version of your logo, once it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will be finished, once again on a white/transparent background.
+</I>&gt;<i> Why will he have to do that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>To have clear and clean logos, that could be reusable through these
+various formats depending on the use that will be done of them. Some
+people prefer working on vectorial formats, other on JPG or PNG. This
+works also when integrating it on websites or for reuse in artwork.
+Mandriva used to offer it's logos in a .zip folder containing each all
+of these files. And I think this is the right thing to do for effective
+redistribution and reuse.
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 05:17:27PM -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-19 16:39, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;When you go to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org,">http://www.mageia.org,</A> you go to the project
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;website, but when you type <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/">https://www.mageia.org/</A> you go to a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;page entitled &quot;Welcome to zarb.org&quot;. This occurs mainly when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;leaving mail-list options page. I guess what should be fixed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;because can cause confusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> You also get strange results if you type in <A HREF="http://www.mageia.nl,">http://www.mageia.nl,</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.nl;">http://mageia.nl;</A> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.nl">https://www.mageia.nl</A> and finally <A HREF="http://mageia.nl">http://mageia.nl</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> . Sorry I deleted the email where the owner of the mageia.nl owner
+</I>&gt;<i> announced the site offered a link to the official mageia.org site.
+</I>&gt;<i> Some of these lead to the zarb.org site.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+
+Hi,
+
+That would have been me. For now I forward mageia.nl to mageia.org through
+DNS. For this to work properly, the admin of the official mageia.org
+website has to edit their webserver configuration. The issue with
+www.mageia.nl not working was a typo on my side :-( which I now have
+fixed.
+
+That said, I realise I registered the domain in my enthusiasm and also
+with the hope to prevent an 'outside' party from registering it. We can do
+several things with it:
+
+1) Hand ownership of the domain over to mageia.org.
+
+2) Keep forwarding the DNS for now as it is.
+
+3) Set up a dummy page on my server redirecting to the official mageia.org
+page.
+
+4) Set up a Dutch forum dedicated to mageia on that domain.
+
+5) Hand ownership of the domain over to an existing NL based usergroup.
+
+6) Point DNS nowhere for now.
+
+Mageia staff can reach me on this email address if needed or tag me on IRC
+(Remmy)
+
+Thanks,
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, I realise I registered the domain in my enthusiasm and also
+</I>&gt;<i> with the hope to prevent an 'outside' party from registering it. We can do
+</I>&gt;<i> several things with it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Hand ownership of the domain over to mageia.org.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Keep forwarding the DNS for now as it is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) Set up a dummy page on my server redirecting to the official mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) Set up a Dutch forum dedicated to mageia on that domain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 5) Hand ownership of the domain over to an existing NL based usergroup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 6) Point DNS nowhere for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia staff can reach me on this email address if needed or tag me on IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> (Remmy)
+</I>
+I did the same but I did not set a redirect. I placed a sentence on
+the site which tells people in German to either go to the main
+mageia.org site or to the German Mandriva Linux Community which will
+support Mageia as soon as support is needed, The User can click on the
+links, it works. Nothing to be changed in any setup.
+What will become of the site is in the future, similar to your points 1 or 5.
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+What is the origin of this name, please?
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+&gt;<i> I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the origin of this name, please?
+</I>
+&quot;mageia&quot; is greek and means &quot;magic&quot; or &quot;wizzardry&quot; - we are back to
+the roots! The first name of this distribution was &quot;Linux Mandrake&quot;
+actually named after the comic wizard &quot;Mandrake the Magician&quot; and the
+first logo showed this comic character. A last part of this logo is
+still the Mandriva star, it was attached to the magic stick of
+&quot;Mandrake&quot;..
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+&gt;<i> I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the origin of this name, please?
+</I>
+Hi,
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+It's rather well explained on wikipedia :
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia</A>
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+&gt;<i> I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the origin of this name, please?
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+It's ancient greek and means &quot;magic&quot;.
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+magic&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic</A>&gt;in english. It's a reference
+to Mandrake
+(the magician) &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Mandrake">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Mandrake</A>&gt;, old name of the
+distribution Mandriva Linux &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva_Linux">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandriva_Linux</A>&gt;.
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+2010/9/20 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What is the origin of this name, please?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's ancient greek and means &quot;magic&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>Now we have read it from 4 different people:
+While 2 just explained it, one gave the link to wikipedia and one
+cited wikipedia.
+
+It must be true! :)
+
+2010/9/20 Basilio Rosa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">basiliog at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> The term Mageia &#8212; &#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945; in greek &#8212; means magic in english. It's a reference
+</I>&gt;<i> to Mandrake (the magician), old name of the distribution Mandriva Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; What is the origin of this name, please?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's ancient greek and means &quot;magic&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
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+&gt;<i>2010/9/20 Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is the origin of this name, please?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>&quot;mageia&quot; is greek and means &quot;magic&quot; or &quot;wizzardry&quot; -
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+I can't believe it: it appears very French to me:
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+MAndriva Gens d'Edge-It Anciens: MAGEIA.
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Remco Rijnders
+</I>&amp;lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco-BFHUS2cQccxcKrbEW9aRdA at public.gmane.org</A>&amp;gt;:
+&gt;<i> &lt;/pre&gt;&lt;blockquote type=cite&gt;&lt;pre wrap&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, I realise I registered the domain in my enthusiasm and also
+</I>&gt;<i> with the hope to prevent an 'outside' party from registering it. We can do
+</I>&gt;<i> several things with it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Hand ownership of the domain over to mageia.org.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Keep forwarding the DNS for now as it is.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) Set up a dummy page on my server redirecting to the official mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) Set up a Dutch forum dedicated to mageia on that domain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 5) Hand ownership of the domain over to an existing NL based usergroup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 6) Point DNS nowhere for now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia staff can reach me on this email address if needed or tag me on IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> (Remmy)
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;/pre&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;pre wrap&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did the same but I did not set a redirect. I placed a sentence on
+</I>&gt;<i> the site which tells people in German to either go to the main
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org site or to the German Mandriva Linux Community which will
+</I>&gt;<i> support Mageia as soon as support is needed, The User can click on the
+</I>&gt;<i> links, it works. Nothing to be changed in any setup.
+</I>&gt;<i> What will become of the site is in the future, similar to your points
+</I>1 or 5.
+
+I wonder how many on this list have ownership of the mageia.xx domain?
+We now know of the three of us. I imagine at some point the list of
+owners would be collected.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:18:54 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>2010/9/20 Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What is the origin of this name, please?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>&quot;mageia&quot; is greek and means &quot;magic&quot; or &quot;wizzardry&quot; -
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't believe it: it appears very French to me:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MAndriva Gens d'Edge-It Anciens: MAGEIA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ;)
+</I>
+Wow ! Very imaginative /me applause the performance...
+
+...but a little bit too far-fetched to be plausible imho :)
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+&gt;<i> Now we have read it from 4 different people:
+</I>&gt;<i> While 2 just explained it, one gave the link to wikipedia and one
+</I>&gt;<i> cited wikipedia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It must be true! :)
+</I>Or at least it is the opinion of the majority of users who care for that
+topic :) And if the caring majority thinks it is true.. who cares if it really
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+Nuno Pinheiro &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nuno at oxygen-icons.org</A>&gt; napisa&#322;(a):
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect10332.png ofice use
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect13596.png general
+</I>&gt;<i> propose
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+</I>&gt;<i> enjoy
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+Image comes from Unigine Heaven demo, and is this ok ?
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+<PRE>On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 10:26 -0700, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> Now we have read it from 4 different people:
+</I>&gt;<i> While 2 just explained it, one gave the link to wikipedia and one
+</I>&gt;<i> cited wikipedia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It must be true! :)
+</I>
+Yup, true alright.
+
+These magic ideas come from Homer's Illead and Odyssey books. The first
+Greek magician was Circe (which today lives on in the word circle,
+church, kirche, kerk, kirk) and the origin of the magic wand is the
+Greek goddess Athene, who waved her wand when she did things for her son
+Odysseus.
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+wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:26:01 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now we have read it from 4 different people:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While 2 just explained it, one gave the link to wikipedia and one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cited wikipedia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It must be true! :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Or at least it is the opinion of the majority of users who care for that
+</I>&gt;<i> topic :) And if the caring majority thinks it is true.. who cares if it
+</I>&gt;<i> really
+</I>&gt;<i> is? ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thoughts are creative... whether we like/believe it or not they shape the
+world ;)
+
+White magic is a very strong and positive symbol inside collective
+unconscious.
+
+A Linux distribution starting under the auspices of the &quot;great white
+wizard&quot; (Merlin, Gandalf... he's got many names ^^) is something i
+definitely like :)
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+Ma&#226;t
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> I have helped Mandriva translation since 2005 and have communication
+</I>&gt;<i> with various Mandriva local users in Taiwan. Actually we don't have an
+</I>&gt;<i> independent Mandriva forum or local user group before, so there is a
+</I>&gt;<i> google group &quot;mageia-taiwan&quot; just established for new comers and old
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva users, and I can help translation and contact local mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> site admins once most things are settled down.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+Excellent!
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+
+Yup, true alright.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These magic ideas come from Homer's Illead and Odyssey books. The first
+</I>&gt;<i> Greek magician was Circe (which today lives on in the word circle,
+</I>&gt;<i> church, kirche, kerk, kirk) and the origin of the magic wand is the
+</I>&gt;<i> Greek goddess Athene, who waved her wand when she did things for her son
+</I>&gt;<i> Odysseus.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+And the most powerLook at this topic the images of Circe !!
+
+<A HREF="http://www.atoute.org/n/forum/showthread.php?t=115993">http://www.atoute.org/n/forum/showthread.php?t=115993</A>
+and maybe some ideas for the graphics of Mageia
+
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+&gt;<i> I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the origin of this name, please?
+</I>
+There was some peoples ( primarily people at the origin of the fork )
+who proposed some names ( I estimated to 40/50 proposal ), and then we
+removed all that were not suitable :
+
+- already used on .org domain name ( nebula, for example )
+
+- unsuitable because it was too funny and not professional, ie mostly
+private joke in French ( tartopom, for example ).
+
+- trademarked by checking inpi.fr for the various class of use we wanted
+( ie, while having a name trademarked for wine was not a issue, a name
+used in book edition could have been ), for example, toucan was
+proposed, but this is trademarked in France.
+
+- trademarked in the rest of the world.
+
+- already used by a old linux distribution, ( diamond linux )
+
+- too similar to some big name in computing field ( ubun3 )
+
+- already used by another software or company ( nexodus ) without being
+trademarked
+
+- already used by people who could have enough money to sue ( mango )
+even in a different domain
+
+- unsuitable and seen as offensive in languages we check ( of course,
+with 6900 languages on the planet, chances are high that every possible
+name can be funny for at least one person, but problem is when there is
+a lot more than one ), for example mirably ( too similar to miserably )
+
+- not refused by ennael ( as I proposed ennalinux :) )
+
+- not too similar to Mandriva stuff ( some people proposed BlueBird,
+which I liked a lot, except this was the codename of Mandrake 8.2, and
+traktopel, which was 8.0 )
+
+- not too long
+
+- implicitly, we also tried to avoid everything outside of ascii ( even
+if some people proposed a chinese name, they will recognize
+themselves ). I say implictly because almost everything was ascii.
+
+We also tried to get a name which could be used for design ( ie, we try
+to avoid turd linux ), with name not already taken everywhere, with .com
+availiable, and with a possible good catch phrase but we had to relax
+theses checks, as the twitter account was not available, and as the .com
+domain name was already taken ( but that's not a issue, IMHO ). And I
+think no one thought of the design/catchphrase stuff in the last run.
+
+And so basically, after removing more than 95% of the various proposals,
+only 2 names survived after the selection. And we voted to keep one
+( and no, I will keep the other one secret ).
+
+Of course, this explanation is less sexy than the other one about &quot;this
+come from greek&quot;, which are true too, but I want to highlight that
+choosing a name is neither easy or as fun as it sound. And that we
+didn't start by saying &quot;wow, greek is a cool language, let's find a word
+from it&quot;.
+
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+&gt;<i> As i can see no real website, no build system, no bugzilla, no forum i
+</I>&gt;<i> guess that the plans were indeed born some days ago even if Michael and
+</I>&gt;<i> probably a few others got used to dream and speak about it longer before :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Some ideas are much older than a few days. 2 years in my case. But we still
+wait to see if people will pick them up or continue to do the same mistakes
+that have driven Mandriva to bankruptcy, and the Linux ecosystem[1] to
+disgrace.
+
+It's not about &quot;punishing&quot; the Mandriva SA. or the commercial side in general.
+It is about a new start, about the original idea behind Linux (as in concept,
+not product).
+
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+[1] remember our dreams, a few years ago? Where do we stand now? How many of
+them did we manage to achieve?
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+&gt;<i> Le 20/09/2010 14:05, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks Michael,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Understanding for your explanation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But there is one issue which brought up a question.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You are writing &quot;launch of the Mageia project since the start some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> months ago&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am i misunderstanding, or did i think the plans just were born some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> days (weeks at the most) ago?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think many people may have started to dream of such a fork monthes ago
+</I>&gt;<i> and among Edge-IT people in particular. The predictable dead of the
+</I>&gt;<i> company supporting the distribution you work on can be very inviting to
+</I>&gt;<i> such dreams.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess people started to speak about the possibility of a fork long ago
+</I>&gt;<i> without having real plans.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As i can see no real website, no build system, no bugzilla, no forum i
+</I>&gt;<i> guess that the plans were indeed born some days ago even if Michael and
+</I>&gt;<i> probably a few others got used to dream and speak about it longer before :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Talk publicly about their plans and see them go to waste as would
+happen with any project that's announced prematurely?
+
+Ones thinks, plans, decides, then go public, in that order... I don't
+think it works any other way. :)
+
+(something similar happened when Mandriva Linux was first kickstarted
+by its founders, you think they had a forum/wiki/bugzilla from day 1?
+I don't..).
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Hello: I'm a Mandriva user from lonng time ago.
+
+I would like to contribute my little grain of sand:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia5.jpg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia5.jpg</A>
+
+(Made with Gimp)
+
+
+ Saludos de Redy
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+ [ Parolas BBS 100% Linux native parolas.thebbs.org ]
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+<PRE>So a couple of days have passed, and a bunch of people have expressed their
+opinions.
+
+Have any decision been made?
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+
+I'm keen to get moving on the user forum; could we get some representation
+on <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> as a start?
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+&gt;<i> So a couple of days have passed, and a bunch of people have expressed their
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have any decision been made?
+</I>
+We are planning first communication for tomorrow morning. stay tuned :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I&#8217;m keen to get moving on the user forum; could we get some representation
+</I>&gt;<i> on <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> as a start?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Paul Willard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+--
+-------
+Anne
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+ <B>Paul Willard</B>
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+
+Paul Willard A.K.A TerminalAddict.
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] On Behalf Of Anne nicolas
+Sent: Tuesday, 21 September 2010 9:03 a.m.
+To: Mageia general discussions
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum (
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+
+2010/9/20 Paul Willard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">paul at mcrides.co.nz</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> So a couple of days have passed, and a bunch of people have expressed
+</I>&gt;<i> their opinions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have any decision been made?
+</I>
+We are planning first communication for tomorrow morning. stay tuned :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm keen to get moving on the user forum; could we get some
+</I>&gt;<i> representation on <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> as a start?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Paul Willard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+--
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+Anne
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+ <B>Frank Loewe</B>
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+Pals, calm down
+&gt;<i> no build system, no bugzilla, no Forum
+</I>
+where is the problem? Many people and I are offering our help.
+A build system? Is your Prob the HW or the scripts that will do the jobs?
+First of all can be resolved within hours.
+
+I can only talk for me, respective my company, for build or development purpose, we have
+a lot of machines left over right now, searching for a task to do.
+
+A forum is used? Where is the problem? It&#180;s our job, and the job of some others on this list.
+Bugzilla? It&#180;s webgbased. This is our job too, so take it easy.
+
+This standard task will need 1-2 days for people which does his every day.
+
+The only thing has to be done, is to tell the contributors, that they are welcome, and what is in need.
+This is a task for a project leader.
+
+
+
+--
+Mit freundlichem Gru&#223;
+Frank Loewe
+Gesch&#228;ftsf&#252;hrer
+
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+Fax.: +49 202 430429-10
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+Gesch&#228;ftsf&#252;hrer: Frank Loewe, Melanie Castellaz
+Pers. haftende Gesellschafterin:
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+ <B>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>My name's Kristoffer (It's the same as saying Christopher) Grundstr&#246;m.
+I've unofficially been helping Mandriva to translate from English to
+Swedish &amp; since Mageia is starting to exist, I'll move over to it when a
+fresh ISO is out.
+
+Therefor I wish to have my name on mageia.org as a Swedish translator if
+that's OK.
+
+Best wishes
+
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+<PRE>Op maandag 20 september 2010 21:42:39 schreef Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 &#224; 17:30 +0100, Maurice Batey a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What is the origin of this name, please?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There was some peoples ( primarily people at the origin of the fork )
+</I>&gt;<i> who proposed some names ( I estimated to 40/50 proposal ), and then we
+</I>&gt;<i> removed all that were not suitable :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - already used on .org domain name ( nebula, for example )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - unsuitable because it was too funny and not professional, ie mostly
+</I>&gt;<i> private joke in French ( tartopom, for example ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - trademarked by checking inpi.fr for the various class of use we wanted
+</I>&gt;<i> ( ie, while having a name trademarked for wine was not a issue, a name
+</I>&gt;<i> used in book edition could have been ), for example, toucan was
+</I>&gt;<i> proposed, but this is trademarked in France.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - trademarked in the rest of the world.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - already used by a old linux distribution, ( diamond linux )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - too similar to some big name in computing field ( ubun3 )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - already used by another software or company ( nexodus ) without being
+</I>&gt;<i> trademarked
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - already used by people who could have enough money to sue ( mango )
+</I>&gt;<i> even in a different domain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - unsuitable and seen as offensive in languages we check ( of course,
+</I>&gt;<i> with 6900 languages on the planet, chances are high that every possible
+</I>&gt;<i> name can be funny for at least one person, but problem is when there is
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot more than one ), for example mirably ( too similar to miserably )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - not refused by ennael ( as I proposed ennalinux :) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - not too similar to Mandriva stuff ( some people proposed BlueBird,
+</I>&gt;<i> which I liked a lot, except this was the codename of Mandrake 8.2, and
+</I>&gt;<i> traktopel, which was 8.0 )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - not too long
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - implicitly, we also tried to avoid everything outside of ascii ( even
+</I>&gt;<i> if some people proposed a chinese name, they will recognize
+</I>&gt;<i> themselves ). I say implictly because almost everything was ascii.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We also tried to get a name which could be used for design ( ie, we try
+</I>&gt;<i> to avoid turd linux ), with name not already taken everywhere, with .com
+</I>&gt;<i> availiable, and with a possible good catch phrase but we had to relax
+</I>&gt;<i> theses checks, as the twitter account was not available, and as the .com
+</I>&gt;<i> domain name was already taken ( but that's not a issue, IMHO ). And I
+</I>&gt;<i> think no one thought of the design/catchphrase stuff in the last run.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And so basically, after removing more than 95% of the various proposals,
+</I>&gt;<i> only 2 names survived after the selection. And we voted to keep one
+</I>&gt;<i> ( and no, I will keep the other one secret ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, this explanation is less sexy than the other one about &quot;this
+</I>&gt;<i> come from greek&quot;, which are true too, but I want to highlight that
+</I>&gt;<i> choosing a name is neither easy or as fun as it sound. And that we
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't start by saying &quot;wow, greek is a cool language, let's find a word
+</I>&gt;<i> from it&quot;.
+</I>
+
+This is an amazing explanation, and something that a lot of people could
+benefit from reading.
+
+I knew that it's not an easy task to get a name, and with explaning this
+process, i can only imagine the fun you guys musta had when brainstorming for
+a name
+
+&quot;ubun3&quot;, &quot;turd linux&quot;, ...
+
+thanks for the good explanation.
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+<PRE> On 19/09/10 19:29, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+&gt;<i> I like the second most, has more 3d in it, and the lightning bolts are so
+</I>&gt;<i> dynamic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 7:02 PM, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg">http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4062/mageia1.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is my favourite till now. It has a nice magical feeling and it isn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some variation of the Mandriva star...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is my current favourite as well. I haven't had the time to read the
+whole thread, but I saw some pointed out the problem with using the bolt
+image found on Google.
+In that case, if we're talking magic, how about some sort of crystal
+ball to replace it? We could even implement Tux embracing the globe
+inside it, or maybe we could make the crystal ball some sort of faded
+globe to represent the globalisation of the project?
+
+Regards,
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> Of course, this explanation is less sexy than the other one about &quot;this
+</I>&gt;<i> come from greek&quot;, which are true too, but I want to highlight that
+</I>&gt;<i> choosing a name is neither easy or as fun as it sound. And that we
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't start by saying &quot;wow, greek is a cool language, let's find a word
+</I>&gt;<i> from it&quot;.
+</I>
+one more question:
+
+is it true that PLF is also behind mageia (ie: will PLF packages be in mageia?
+cause of this being an international distribution, effectively?)
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Paul Willard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">paul at mcrides.co.nz</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So a couple of days have passed, and a bunch of people have expressed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their opinions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Have any decision been made?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are planning first communication for tomorrow morning. stay tuned :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
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+<PRE> On 20/09/10 23:42, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m wrote:
+&gt;<i> My name's Kristoffer (It's the same as saying Christopher) Grundstr&#246;m.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've unofficially been helping Mandriva to translate from English to
+</I>&gt;<i> Swedish &amp; since Mageia is starting to exist, I'll move over to it when
+</I>&gt;<i> a fresh ISO is out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Therefor I wish to have my name on mageia.org as a Swedish translator
+</I>&gt;<i> if that's OK.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best wishes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /Kristoffer
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+You have to wait for the Swedish translation team to be formed.
+
+-Olav.
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Announcement translati&#305;n and willing to help">tarakbumba at gmail.com
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+ <I>Mon Sep 20 12:21:32 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>I' m sorry. I have just released i didn't attach Turkish translation.
+
+2010/9/20 atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi there! I have been looking exactly for this! I am Turkish
+</I>&gt;<i> translator, not-well-experienced packager (you may head MVT repo) and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Turkiye forum admin. I can contribute in those ways. I have
+</I>&gt;<i> already translated announcement to turkish. Please include this
+</I>&gt;<i> translation on main page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Atilla &#214;NTA&#350; (tarakbumba)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Turkiye Community Admin
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+ <B>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Logo%2C%20a%20ver%20si%20les%20gusta%2C%20falta%20pulirlo.&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikmKLPZ-%3DV0FLTvK7%2Bd-%2B7LYRJGi14efZbNus6R%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.">rarroyo23 at gmail.com
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+<PRE>muestra de posible logo, tambi&#233;n ac&#225;:
+<A HREF="http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg">http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg</A>
+
+[image: mageia3.jpg]
+
+--
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+Tel. 2639-4043 / 8886-2806
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+Mi M&#225;quina: <A HREF="http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#">http://picasaweb.google.com/rarroyo23/Mandriva2009#</A>
+
+MSN: rarroyo46(arroba)yahoo(punto)com
+
+Skype: rarroyo15
+
+Mi p&#225;gina: <A HREF="http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/">http://my.opera.com/rarroyo23/</A>
+
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+ <B>Pavel Fric</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia - naming">pavelfric at seznam.cz
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+ <I>Mon Sep 20 22:49:07 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+I have small question. Were there some another suggestions for naming of fork of Mandrake/Mandriva? With my research activity I am interested in decision processes inside new communities just being born.
+
+For example something rather mystical than magical?
+
+My suggestion: &quot;Aurora Ascendante&quot; :-)
+
+Greetings, Pavel Fric
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+ <b>Messages:</b> 164<p>
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+
+<LI><A HREF="001280.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000299.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000257.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000274.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000278.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000282.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000284.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000288.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000298.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000300.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000304.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000252.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000302.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000295.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000279.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000316.html">[Mageia-discuss] Criticism
+</A><A NAME="316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000165.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Fr&#233;d&#233;ric GOMEZ - MG Consultants
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000325.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000328.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish translator
+</A><A NAME="328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000266.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001281.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia - naming
+</A><A NAME="1281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pavel Fric
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000309.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000305.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000276.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000277.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000287.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000290.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000247.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000250.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000261.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000286.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000314.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish translator
+</A><A NAME="323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Taiwan user community and zh-TW l10n
+</A><A NAME="229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JackDaniels93
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000238.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000232.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000240.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000292.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering Help
+</A><A NAME="292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000322.html">[Mageia-discuss] Criticism
+</A><A NAME="322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000237.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000248.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000296.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gergely L&#243;nyai
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000260.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000283.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000301.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000307.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000311.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Which is the governing structure?
+</A><A NAME="215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000270.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Christophe Monnard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Which is the governing structure?
+</A><A NAME="220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000236.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000263.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000171.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000293.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000306.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romulo Pires
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Taiwan user community and zh-TW l10n
+</A><A NAME="312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000297.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodriguez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000303.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Basilio Rosa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000168.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sadiq Saif
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sadiq Saif
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sophie ask to join the project
+</A><A NAME="194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000289.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000291.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000317.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Martial Saunois
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000264.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000280.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000315.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000308.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jochen Sch&#246;nfelder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000294.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000235.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sophie ask to join the project
+</A><A NAME="183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia lists now on gmane.org
+</A><A NAME="169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000246.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000262.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000268.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000285.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia lists now on gmane.org
+</A><A NAME="173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Markus Ueberall
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000324.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000326.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000327.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000319.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000321.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>barsalatino
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000267.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejobj at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia UAE
+</A><A NAME="251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000310.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>hermit
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000269.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000281.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jbj.mdv
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000320.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Announcement translati&#305;n and willing to help
+</A><A NAME="233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001279.html">[Mageia-discuss] Announcement translati&#305;n and willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000243.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000249.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000253.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000258.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Sep 20 23:51:15 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:32:43 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>20 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Sep 20 00:00:35 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Sep 20 23:51:15 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 164<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000165.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000168.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia lists now on gmane.org
+</A><A NAME="169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Martial Saunois
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000171.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>barsalatino
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia lists now on gmane.org
+</A><A NAME="173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Markus Ueberall
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejobj at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>hermit
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sophie ask to join the project
+</A><A NAME="183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sadiq Saif
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sophie ask to join the project
+</A><A NAME="194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romulo Pires
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Which is the governing structure?
+</A><A NAME="215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Which is the governing structure?
+</A><A NAME="220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Fr&#233;d&#233;ric GOMEZ - MG Consultants
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Taiwan user community and zh-TW l10n
+</A><A NAME="229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000232.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Announcement translati&#305;n and willing to help
+</A><A NAME="233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000235.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000236.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000237.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001279.html">[Mageia-discuss] Announcement translati&#305;n and willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000238.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000240.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gergely L&#243;nyai
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000243.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000246.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000247.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000248.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000249.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000250.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia UAE
+</A><A NAME="251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000252.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000253.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000257.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000263.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000258.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JackDaniels93
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000266.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000260.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000261.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000262.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000264.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000270.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Christophe Monnard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000268.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000267.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000269.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sadiq Saif
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000274.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000280.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000276.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000277.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000278.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000279.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000283.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000281.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jbj.mdv
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000282.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000284.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000285.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000286.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000287.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000288.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000289.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000290.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000291.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000292.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering Help
+</A><A NAME="292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000293.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000294.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000295.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000296.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001280.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000297.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000299.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000298.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000301.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000300.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000303.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Basilio Rosa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000302.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000304.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000305.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000310.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000306.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000308.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jochen Sch&#246;nfelder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000307.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000309.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000311.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Taiwan user community and zh-TW l10n
+</A><A NAME="312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000314.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000315.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000316.html">[Mageia-discuss] Criticism
+</A><A NAME="316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000317.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodriguez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001281.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia - naming
+</A><A NAME="1281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pavel Fric
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000319.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000320.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000321.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000322.html">[Mageia-discuss] Criticism
+</A><A NAME="322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish translator
+</A><A NAME="323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000324.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000325.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000326.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000327.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000328.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish translator
+</A><A NAME="328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Sep 20 23:51:15 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:32:43 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>20 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Sep 20 00:00:35 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Sep 20 23:51:15 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 164<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000264.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000268.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000269.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000280.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000283.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000284.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000285.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000288.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000295.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000317.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Announcement translati&#305;n and willing to help
+</A><A NAME="233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001279.html">[Mageia-discuss] Announcement translati&#305;n and willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Fr&#233;d&#233;ric GOMEZ - MG Consultants
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JackDaniels93
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sadiq Saif
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000277.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000279.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000286.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodriguez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000325.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000270.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Christophe Monnard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000274.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000276.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000278.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000281.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jbj.mdv
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>barsalatino
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejobj at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romulo Pires
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000316.html">[Mageia-discuss] Criticism
+</A><A NAME="316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000322.html">[Mageia-discuss] Criticism
+</A><A NAME="322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000171.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000319.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000321.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000327.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000320.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000289.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000291.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000296.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000309.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Martial Saunois
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000165.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000168.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000297.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000298.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000306.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>hermit
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001280.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001281.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia - naming
+</A><A NAME="1281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pavel Fric
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia lists now on gmane.org
+</A><A NAME="169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia lists now on gmane.org
+</A><A NAME="173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Markus Ueberall
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia UAE
+</A><A NAME="251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000292.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering Help
+</A><A NAME="292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000299.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000301.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000300.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000303.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Basilio Rosa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000302.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000304.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000305.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000310.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000308.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jochen Sch&#246;nfelder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000307.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000311.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000314.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000315.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000324.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000326.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000287.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000290.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000252.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gergely L&#243;nyai
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sophie ask to join the project
+</A><A NAME="183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sophie ask to join the project
+</A><A NAME="194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish translator
+</A><A NAME="323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000328.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish translator
+</A><A NAME="328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Taiwan user community and zh-TW l10n
+</A><A NAME="229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Taiwan user community and zh-TW l10n
+</A><A NAME="312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000232.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000235.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000236.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000237.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000238.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000240.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000243.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000246.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000247.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000248.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000249.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000250.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000253.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000257.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000263.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000258.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000266.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000260.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000261.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000262.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000267.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000282.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000293.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000294.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Which is the governing structure?
+</A><A NAME="215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Which is the governing structure?
+</A><A NAME="220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sadiq Saif
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Sep 20 23:51:15 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:32:43 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <h1>20 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Sep 20 00:00:35 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Sep 20 23:51:15 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 164<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01284933635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000165.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284933635-01284934140- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000168.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Guillaume Rousse
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284933814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia
+</A><A NAME="167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284934404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia lists now on gmane.org
+</A><A NAME="169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284934404-01284935501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia lists now on gmane.org
+</A><A NAME="173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Markus Ueberall
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284934423- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000170.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284934453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000209.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Martial Saunois
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284934518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000171.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284934844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000172.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>barsalatino
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284935780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284935780-01284936716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284936234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luca Olivetti
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284936234-01284937553- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284936281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284936281-01284938299- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Important stuff?
+</A><A NAME="181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>hermit
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284937377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejobj at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284938243- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284938997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284938997-01284939735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sadiq Saif
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284938997-01284940119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000185.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284938997-01284979618- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will these messages be read by Mageia &quot;directors&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284939370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sophie ask to join the project
+</A><A NAME="183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284939370-01284945830- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Sophie ask to join the project
+</A><A NAME="194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284940375- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000186.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284940375-01284941999- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284940691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000187.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284940691-01284943515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284943978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000190.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284943978-01284982807- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000259.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JackDaniels93
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284943978-01284982807-01284983668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000265.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284944426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284944426-01284964834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284944672- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284944672-01284978316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284944758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284946894- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000195.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284946894-01284947175- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romulo Pires
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284946894-01284955248- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284946894-01284955248-01284960698- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284948620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000197.html">[Mageia-discuss] domain names
+</A><A NAME="197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284950200- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284952265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284952608- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000200.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284953958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Project logo contest definitely needs a dedicated page
+</A><A NAME="201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Liam R E Quin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284960408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000203.html">[Mageia-discuss] Willing to offer help
+</A><A NAME="203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284961237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Community forum
+</A><A NAME="205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284962218- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284963988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ernest N. Wilcox Jr.
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284963988-01284967338- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Fr&#233;d&#233;ric GOMEZ - MG Consultants
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284963988-01284970959- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florent Monnier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284964025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284964388- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hello
+</A><A NAME="210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284964498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000212.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284964648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000213.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284964648-01284965441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000217.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284964648-01284965441-01284965781- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000219.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284964648-01284965441-01284965781-01284973357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000225.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284964648-01284965441-01284965781-01284973357-01284990965- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000291.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284964648-01284965441-01284965781-01284973357-01284990965-01284995815- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000296.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284965001- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Which is the governing structure?
+</A><A NAME="215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284965001-01284966246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Which is the governing structure?
+</A><A NAME="220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284965230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284966892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000221.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284966892-01284975843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000232.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>James Kerr
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000235.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000240.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000243.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000246.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980748-01284981714- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000250.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980748-01284981714-01284982089- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000253.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980748-01284981714-01284982089-01284983092- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000261.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980748-01284981714-01284982391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000257.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980748-01284981714-01284982391-01284982780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000258.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980748-01284981714-01284982391-01284983230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000262.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980748-01284981714-01284982391-01284983230-01284984213- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000267.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980748-01284981714-01284982391-01284983230-01284987720- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000282.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980826- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000247.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980872- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000248.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980872-01284981631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000249.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980872-01284981631-01284982658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000263.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980872-01284982043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000252.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980872-01284982043-01284982359- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284977773-01284978488-01284979981-01284980872-01284992135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000294.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284966892-01284975843-01284977871- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000236.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01284966892-01284975843-01284978077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000237.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284978077-01284978254- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000238.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284966892-01284975843-01284978077-01284982912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000260.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284966892-01284982873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000266.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284966892-01284982873-01284991887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000293.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284968791- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284973776- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284973776-01284974828- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Donald Stewart
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284973776-01284974828-01284979481- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284974084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284974084-01284975171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01284974084-01284980398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284974994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Taiwan user community and zh-TW l10n
+</A><A NAME="229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284974994-01285007930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Taiwan user community and zh-TW l10n
+</A><A NAME="312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284975476- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284977207- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Announcement translati&#305;n and willing to help
+</A><A NAME="233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284977207-01284978092- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001279.html">[Mageia-discuss] Announcement translati&#305;n and willing to help
+</A><A NAME="1279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284977538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284977538-01285008042- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284979655- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Should Mageia have linux-libre kernel? Yes!
+</A><A NAME="244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gergely L&#243;nyai
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284981725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia UAE
+</A><A NAME="251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284982092- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284982337- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284983646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000264.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284983646-01284984159- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000268.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284983646-01284984159-01284985889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000280.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284983646-01284984159-01284985889-01284988242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000284.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284983646-01284984159-01284985889-01284988242-01284988453- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000285.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284983646-01284984159-01284985889-01284988242-01284988453-01284989581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000288.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01284983646-01284984159-01284992697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000295.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284983646-01284984328- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000269.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284983646-01284984328-01284987456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000283.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284983646-01284984328-01284987456-01285012030- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000316.html">[Mageia-discuss] Criticism
+</A><A NAME="316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284983646-01284984328-01284987456-01285012030-01285016888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000322.html">[Mageia-discuss] Criticism
+</A><A NAME="322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01284983646-01284984328-01284987456-01285013744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000317.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284984157- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000270.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Christophe Monnard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284984157-01284985845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000274.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284984157-01284985845-01284986245- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000276.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01284984157-01284985845-01284986245-01284986980- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000278.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01284984157-01284987686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000281.html">[Mageia-discuss] bonjour
+</A><A NAME="281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>jbj.mdv
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01284984877- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01284984877-01284984924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sadiq Saif
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01284984877-01284984924-01284985072- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<UL>
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+<!--1 01284984877-01284986532- -->
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+</A><A NAME="277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
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+<!--2 01284984877-01284986532-01285014557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodriguez
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+<!--1 01284984877-01284987083- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000279.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="279">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dark Charlot
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+<LI><A HREF="000286.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
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+</UL>
+<!--0 01284989000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000287.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
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+<!--1 01284989000-01284990944- -->
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+</A><A NAME="290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="000289.html">[Mageia-discuss] finalising my mageia branding logo look
+</A><A NAME="289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284991258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000292.html">[Mageia-discuss] Offering Help
+</A><A NAME="292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="001280.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1280">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01284999910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000297.html">[Mageia-discuss] https at URL leads to a different page
+</A><A NAME="297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
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+<!--1 01284999910-01285000698- -->
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+</A><A NAME="299">&nbsp;</A>
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+<LI><A HREF="000301.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<LI><A HREF="000307.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
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+<I>Oliver Burger
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
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+<I>herman
+</I>
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+<I>Jochen Sch&#246;nfelder
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+<I>Michael Scherer
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+</A><A NAME="306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
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+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
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+<LI><A HREF="001281.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia - naming
+</A><A NAME="1281">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pavel Fric
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="000319.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
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+<!--1 01285016259-01285016573- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000320.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
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+<I>Paul Willard
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+<!--2 01285016259-01285016573-01285019327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000327.html">[Mageia-discuss] english speaking user forum ( http://mageiausers.org )
+</A><A NAME="327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
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+<!--0 01285018925- -->
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+</A><A NAME="323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
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+</A><A NAME="328">&nbsp;</A>
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+<PRE>Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 &#224; 23:47 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Op maandag 20 september 2010 21:42:39 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Of course, this explanation is less sexy than the other one about &quot;this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; come from greek&quot;, which are true too, but I want to highlight that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; choosing a name is neither easy or as fun as it sound. And that we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; didn't start by saying &quot;wow, greek is a cool language, let's find a word
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from it&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> one more question:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is it true that PLF is also behind mageia (ie: will PLF packages be in mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> cause of this being an international distribution, effectively?)
+</I>
+We are not yet at that level of details, afaik, and as I said, we are
+quite busy with others stuff.
+
+My own opinion is that the issue that lead to the creation of PLF would
+still apply.
+
+Not to mention that PLF has a cool logo, and that's a good reason to not
+drop it :p
+
+But you should maybe ask to PLF directly on PLF discuss ?
+--
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 21 september 2010 00:11:43 schreef Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 &#224; 23:47 +0200, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op maandag 20 september 2010 21:42:39 schreef Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Of course, this explanation is less sexy than the other one about &quot;this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; come from greek&quot;, which are true too, but I want to highlight that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; choosing a name is neither easy or as fun as it sound. And that we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; didn't start by saying &quot;wow, greek is a cool language, let's find a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; word from it&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; one more question:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is it true that PLF is also behind mageia (ie: will PLF packages be in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia? cause of this being an international distribution, effectively?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are not yet at that level of details, afaik, and as I said, we are
+</I>&gt;<i> quite busy with others stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My own opinion is that the issue that lead to the creation of PLF would
+</I>&gt;<i> still apply.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not to mention that PLF has a cool logo, and that's a good reason to not
+</I>&gt;<i> drop it :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But you should maybe ask to PLF directly on PLF discuss ?
+</I>
+my main interest is to find out if it's true that PLF is involved in creating
+mageia or not. if yes or no PLF is in mageia directly is only a side question.
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Lawrence A Fossi</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Google%2C%20yahoo%2C%20Hotmail%20and%20Flickr%20accounts&In-Reply-To=%3C1802248158.1112951.1285024505671.JavaMail.root%40sz0036a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts">darkfoss at comcast.net
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+<PRE>It's inevitable that Mageia would be claimed on some accounts.. a quick Google turned up 1 US business 1 guy on Twitter
+and a second with JA-Mageia..all on page 1 of the search
+<A HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home">http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home</A>
+<A HREF="http://twitter.com/mageia">http://twitter.com/mageia</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.joomlart.com/joomla/templates/ja-mageia">http://www.joomlart.com/joomla/templates/ja-mageia</A>
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:46:31 AM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+
+2010/9/19 SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Mageia accounts were already taken :(
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+By whom? maybe it's a member of this crowd who will contribute, so he
+had the same idea, just a bit earlier?
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+&gt;<i> My own opinion is that the issue that lead to the creation of PLF would
+</I>&gt;<i> still apply.
+</I>
+One thing we should try if possible is to have is support in Easy Urpmi
+( <A HREF="http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/">http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/</A> ) as it is a great help when setting up a system.
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still apply.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing we should try if possible is to have is support in Easy Urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/">http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/</A> ) as it is a great help when setting up a system.
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+Must be seen with easyurpmi team. Easyurpmi is an independant project.
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+
+Thus, I think that Xavante is the best option, not only by tribute - what is necessary - but because is a new and unexpected concept.
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+Xavante is a indian tribe; indians are people with magic inside them; They cure yourselves with herbs and teas, make rain dances and believe in deities that represents the pure magic of man and Nature's contact.
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+ <B>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior</B>
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+This is a good idea.
+
+Adjamilton J&#250;nior
+Federal Institute of Education, Science and Technologie of Para&#237;ba
+Brazil
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+Em 20 de setembro de 2010 21:24, Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt;escreveu:
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+&gt;<i> Well, I think what Mageia codename should be related to magic. Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> will continue existing, so, distro is not reborning; then, makes no sens
+</I>&gt;<i> call it Lazarus or Fenix; also, is very cliche call it Merlin or other
+</I>&gt;<i> directly related magic stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thus, I think that Xavante is the best option, not only by tribute - what
+</I>&gt;<i> is necessary - but because is a new and unexpected concept.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Xavante is a indian tribe; indians are people with magic inside them; They
+</I>&gt;<i> cure yourselves with herbs and teas, make rain dances and believe in deities
+</I>&gt;<i> that represents the pure magic of man and Nature's contact.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I sincerely hope that, once forum is runing, there is a pool system in
+</I>&gt;<i> that we can vote in all given options.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reguards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> I'm agree with this opinion as i wrote a minute ago to the UK user
+</I>&gt;<i> community? subject. But as you know we, therd party packagers are not
+</I>&gt;<i> well experienced packagers. An official packager should review our
+</I>&gt;<i> packages and aasist to correct issues. So, we can learn more and
+</I>&gt;<i> provide better packages. As a result users can reach their needs from
+</I>&gt;<i> official contrib or communtiy repo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">burger at webgis.de</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I totally agree with Thomas,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as some may know, the German community has their own repo as well. The
+</I>&gt;<i> reason
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; was the somehow difficult procedure in contributing packages to Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But: we have decided to contribute to mageia directly in the future. Like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas said, many Third-party repos make it difficult for the users to
+</I>&gt;<i> find and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; install packages. It also leads to dependency problems sometimes, when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages from different third party repos collide.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And even if there are packages which are only of use to people with some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; language, nationality and so on. Why shouldn't they be in the official
+</I>&gt;<i> repos.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; E.g. I don't speak any asian language but the tools for those languages
+</I>&gt;<i> did
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; never disturb me. They were just there in the repo without ane
+</I>&gt;<i> sideeffects to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my system...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; repository (MVT)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; turkish for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; efforts in Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; having too many different repositories. Programs are usually not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; territory dependant.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; That's out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; extra repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; even force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and then access te program they were looking for. So, that's just no to
+</I>&gt;<i> me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mit freundlichen Gr&#252;&#223;en
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">burger at webgis.de</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+yes i totaly agree with this. 1 collection of packages available for all
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+ <B>John Bowden</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:07 AM, Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 20/09/2010 12:53, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Also local communities can package software just for their needs and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; won't placed in official repos. Like we providing Zekr (Quran study
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; tool) and zemberek (Turkish spell-checking tool) on Mandriva Turkiye
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; repository (MVT)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just a not : I am against this form of packaging only for a group of
+</I>&gt;<i> people. Anywhere in the world someone who wants to study a language, turkish
+</I>&gt;<i> for xample, may need it. Currently we need to focus all our efforts in
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageias official repositories and avoid as much as possible having too many
+</I>&gt;<i> different repositories. Programs are usually not territory dependant.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's out of subject anyway, but I wanted to tell clearly my opinion on
+</I>&gt;<i> this. Remember : Mageia takes back the same spirit of easy to use and
+</I>&gt;<i> simplicity that comes form Mandriva and Mandrake. Fiddling with many extra
+</I>&gt;<i> repositories is then what we do not want to hear about. This would even
+</I>&gt;<i> force people to be members or to visit the website to add the repo and then
+</I>&gt;<i> access te program they were looking for. So, that's just no to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The easiest it is for the user, the better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now with globalization, you can find anywhere on the world someone from
+</I>&gt;<i> anywhere of the world.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As an ex-pat I know what I'm talking about.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> Just a quick heads up. There is a Mageia-uk irc channel.
+i don't think having lots of country specific repos is a good idea, lets
+have all the packages available to every one, if they have a clear
+description about them then people can make up there own mind whether to
+install say a french tv guide on an english located pc, as long as we can
+get enough people translating.
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+My question is quite simple.
+In the list of contributors, we can see a lot of former mandriva employee name.
+They were employed by mandriva(or edge it) to create a distro. Now, they have no job, so a lot of time, and they would like to continue this adventure. I can understand it.
+I have some questions about that :
+ - Is it legal for you, have you some right to work in the same field than your previous employer ? Lot of contract have a clause to forbid that. It would be a very bad news if mandriva asked some question about that and stop the project.
+ - Have you some financial plan to survive. Now you have maybe some money from government, and again a lot of time, but if you find a job, how many time would you take for the distro.
+ - People seems to think that Mageia would never have employees, is that true ? Could you imagine to create a structure and month after month, hire the main contributors to prevent Mageia to be out of developer soon ?
+ - You seems to think that it will be a free distro, but do you plan for some cashable services ? If a company ask your support, would you refuse and ask them to go to mandriva, or do you want to create something for that ?
+
+Are you really motivated to do the same job than before, but without being paid ? Are you ok to give this work for free to your previous employer(it's GPL...)
+
+My questions are most about money, I know that is a subject taht people love to forget, but I'm sure that it's a very important part when you want to create a budget, and I didn't get any information about that.
+
+By the way, a forum would be very nice to prevent our mailbox from quick die :-)
+
+Thank you
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+--- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comcast.net</A> escreveu:
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+From: Lawrence A Fossi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comcast.net</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 23:15:05 +0000 (UTC)
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+It's inevitable that Mageia would be claimed on some accounts.. a quick Google turned up 1 US business 1 guy on Twitter
+and a second with JA-Mageia..all on page 1 of the search
+<A HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home">http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home</A>
+<A HREF="http://twitter.com/mageia">http://twitter.com/mageia</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.joomlart.com/joomla/templates/ja-mageia">http://www.joomlart.com/joomla/templates/ja-mageia</A>
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 2:46:31 AM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
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+2010/9/19 SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Mageia accounts were already taken :(
+</I>
+By whom? maybe it's a member of this crowd who will contribute, so he
+had the same idea, just a bit earlier?
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+<PRE>Le lundi 20 septembre 2010 &#224; 21:38 -0400, Pierre Pmithrandir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My question is quite simple.
+</I>&gt;<i> In the list of contributors, we can see a lot of former mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> employee name.
+</I>&gt;<i> They were employed by mandriva(or edge it) to create a distro.
+</I>
+No mostly edge-it. Mandriva people are still employed.
+
+&gt;<i> Now, they have no job, so a lot of time, and they would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> continue this adventure. I can understand it.
+</I>&gt;<i> I have some questions about that :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Is it legal for you, have you some right to work in the same field
+</I>&gt;<i> than your previous employer ? Lot of contract have a clause to forbid
+</I>&gt;<i> that. It would be a very bad news if mandriva asked some question
+</I>&gt;<i> about that and stop the project.
+</I>
+They cannot prevent this. In order to have a non-concurrence clause in
+France, it need to be
+
+1) limited in time
+2) limited in scope
+3) limited geographically
+4) paid
+5) and realistic
+
+Ie, you can tell &quot;I give you 30% of your pay each month so you do not do
+work in the firewalling domain for 1 year in paris, Lyon and
+Lille&quot; ( real clause that was offered to a friend of mine ).
+
+You cannot say &quot;I give you 1 euro so you never work in computer field
+for the rest of your life anywhere on the planet&quot;.
+
+Oh, and of course, since Edge-it disappeared, there is no one to pay
+anything to forbid anything, hence no issue with such clause.
+
+&gt;<i> - Have you some financial plan to survive. Now you have maybe some
+</I>&gt;<i> money from government, and again a lot of time, but if you find a job,
+</I>&gt;<i> how many time would you take for the distro.
+</I>
+Well, I cannot tell the details for them, but they do have plans, yes.
+And for the non ex-employee, I guess most of us have regular jobs.
+
+&gt;<i> - People seems to think that Mageia would never have employees, is
+</I>&gt;<i> that true ? Could you imagine to create a structure and month after
+</I>&gt;<i> month, hire the main contributors to prevent Mageia to be out of
+</I>&gt;<i> developer soon ?
+</I>
+Technically, a association can have employees. Bigger one does, for
+administrative task first, and various task later. Regarding the hiring
+of main developers, I must remind that most of them already have a job
+( ie, all of the external mandriva contributers ).
+
+What a french association cannot be is for profit ( except in
+Alsace/Moselle, where the law is different, seek 'association loi 1910'
+on the web if you speak french and if you are interested ).
+
+&gt;<i> - You seems to think that it will be a free distro, but do you plan
+</I>&gt;<i> for some cashable services ? If a company ask your support, would you
+</I>&gt;<i> refuse and ask them to go to mandriva, or do you want to create
+</I>&gt;<i> something for that ?
+</I>
+As I said, there is various plans in the pipe, and yes, the distro will
+be free.
+
+However, if a company ask for support, there is way that do not involve
+anything , with stuff like &quot;auto entreprenariat&quot;, or &quot;portage
+salarial&quot; ( I do not know the details, you should consult a specialist
+or do some research on the net if you wish to have more information,
+this is the limit of my knowledge )
+
+&gt;<i> Are you really motivated to do the same job than before, but without
+</I>&gt;<i> being paid ? Are you ok to give this work for free to your previous
+</I>&gt;<i> employer(it's GPL...)
+</I>
+Again, I cannot answer for them, bu given the fact we usually give it
+for free for people that may have moral values not really aligned with
+ours, I think the question is already answered since the first day we
+started to do free software.
+
+&gt;<i> My questions are most about money, I know that is a subject that
+</I>&gt;<i> people love to forget, but I'm sure that it's a very important part
+</I>&gt;<i> when you want to create a budget, and I didn't get any information
+</I>&gt;<i> about that.
+</I>
+Well, maybe because the announce was like 3 days ago ?
+
+&gt;<i> By the way, a forum would be very nice to prevent our mailbox from
+</I>&gt;<i> quick die :-)
+</I>
+Well, a forum will just make zarb.org servers die ( where the website is
+hosted at the moment, and where I am member of the admin team ), so do
+not take this personally, but I prefer for the moment to make hotmail
+suffer more than zarb.org :)
+
+Not to mention that a forum will require some maintenance ( moderation,
+spam cleaning, upgrade of the software when needed, watching it grow ),
+and there is more urgent matter like having something to discuss before
+having somewhere to discuss. We didn't really anticipated the rush of
+people on the ml so we are trying to manage this properly while not
+sacrificing proper hygiene and sleeping habits.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My question is quite simple.
+</I>&gt;<i> In the list of contributors, we can see a lot of former mandriva employee
+</I>&gt;<i> name.
+</I>&gt;<i> They were employed by mandriva(or edge it) to create a distro. Now, they
+</I>&gt;<i> have no job, so a lot of time, and they would like to continue this
+</I>&gt;<i> adventure. I can understand it.
+</I>&gt;<i> I have some questions about that :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Is it legal for you, have you some right to work in the same field than
+</I>&gt;<i> your previous employer ? Lot of contract have a clause to forbid that. It
+</I>&gt;<i> would be a very bad news if mandriva asked some question about that and
+</I>&gt;<i> stop the project.
+</I>&gt;<i> - Have you some financial plan to survive. Now you have maybe some money
+</I>&gt;<i> from government, and again a lot of time, but if you find a job, how many
+</I>&gt;<i> time would you take for the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> - People seems to think that Mageia would never have employees, is that
+</I>&gt;<i> true ? Could you imagine to create a structure and month after month,
+</I>&gt;<i> hire the main contributors to prevent Mageia to be out of developer soon
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - You seems to think that it will be a free distro, but do you plan for
+</I>&gt;<i> some cashable services ? If a company ask your support, would you refuse
+</I>&gt;<i> and ask them to go to mandriva, or do you want to create something for
+</I>&gt;<i> that ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you really motivated to do the same job than before, but without being
+</I>&gt;<i> paid ? Are you ok to give this work for free to your previous
+</I>&gt;<i> employer(it's GPL...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My questions are most about money, I know that is a subject that people
+</I>&gt;<i> love to forget, but I'm sure that it's a very important part when you want
+</I>&gt;<i> to create a budget, and I didn't get any information about that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way, a forum would be very nice to prevent our mailbox from quick
+</I>&gt;<i> die :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you
+</I>&gt;<i> Pierre
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> * Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Monday 20 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;from Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; My own opinion is that the issue that lead to the creation of PLF would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; still apply.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> One thing we should try if possible is to have is support in Easy Urpmi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/">http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/</A> ) as it is a great help when setting up a system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Must be seen with easyurpmi team. Easyurpmi is an independant project.
+</I>
+Once Mageia has a repo I am sure we can integrate that in smarturpmi:
+<A HREF="http://smarturpmi.mandrivauser.de">http://smarturpmi.mandrivauser.de</A> (maybe then smarturpmi.mageia.de)
+
+For those who don't know it: Smarturpmi is a web application which
+caters to the same needs as EasyUrpmi, with the advantage that each
+mirror displays the timestamp of latest sync and availability of all
+mirrors is checked 3 times a day. It's available in 15 languages (even
+including English!) and a GPL app, currently running on our webserver
+but available for everybody to install it on his webserver.
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+I would make something like this:
+<A HREF="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Applications-internet.svg,">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Applications-internet.svg,</A> having
+little stars connected instead of dots in places of major cities on the map
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+Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> (something similar happened when Mandriva Linux was first kickstarted
+</I>&gt;<i> by its founders, you think they had a forum/wiki/bugzilla from day 1?
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't..)
+</I>
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+Sandro Cazzaniga
+Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
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+Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/20 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 &#224; 16:31 +0200, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a
+</I>&gt;<i> &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My primary interest lies with Mandriva Linux, not Mandriva, not Edge-IT.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Critics and noise leading to this pretty much all revolves around
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Edge-IT, not cooker.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I do not agree with Per Oyvind reasoning, nor do I want to point
+</I>&gt;<i> some lack of transparency on previous foundation attempts, I must tell
+</I>Well, as you don't want to point out what you point out, I feel like
+that I'd actually want to point out some things concerning it and
+provide an explanation and some background on the matter as I think it
+deserves such, and as I consider the topic being of public interest to
+our community.
+
+Anyways, the &quot;lack of transparency&quot; was rather discression for the
+mutual interest of all parties before there was anything to announce
+and try avoiding any potential PR disasters.
+
+In retrospect, sure, this might've been a mistake, but the intentions
+were rather sincere and the efforts weren't really considered as a
+threath or a protest towards any specific parties, but did rather gain
+favorable attention from everyone in community and almost everyone
+within company, from the CEO and down.
+My reluctancy on trying to push this much harder and in public were
+mostly due to stress (and resulting moodiness;) and lack of energy to
+try push something which got dismissed when trying to organize the
+failed meeting at LSM 2007, and pretty much at every slight attempt at
+raising it again later, with even responses and views of it no longer
+being necessary or relevant with such as the creation of the Assembly
+etc..
+Why you didn't pay any attention to nor have any interest in any of
+these previous efforts and the work invested beats me, it would've
+been a much better alternative to all parties without the controversy
+and increased bad feelings coming out of this.. :/
+
+Oh well, regardless of past mistakes and any incoherency on my part,
+motivations of yours or anything, I still think the resources gathered
+and all the time and work invested could be of use to both parties,
+and the rationale for previous discression being way beyond moot now,
+so I've removed the previous need for registration (that were open to
+everyone btw.) on the wiki with most of the content and post it now
+for the first time in public for everyone, in hope for it to be of use
+to either Mageia, Mandriva, or perhaps even both, at least hoping for
+not all of it being wasted:
+<A HREF="http://foundation.zarb.org">http://foundation.zarb.org</A>
+
+&gt;<i> I am still hoping to see both side of the divide to work together as
+</I>&gt;<i> much as possible and I do not see any reason to not have it.
+</I>As do I.
+
+I still have a hope for seeing this vision being realised, and
+certainly would very much prefer mutual collaboration around this than
+a fork splitting the community and company, rather than uniting it.
+I'd certainly have great interest (together with others which even
+expressed their interest in funding it, as brought up when I tried
+reviving this again earlier this year) in investing efforts into this
+again, but certainly it would depend on the actual interest in this
+from the people within Mandriva the company, the Mandriva Linux
+community, the Mageia community, and also from our friends at Unity
+Linux, PCLinuxOS and any other familiars which share a common interest
+in sharing goals, benefits and efforts.
+
+So I'd like to request the input from all parties on this, what
+interest would it be to you? What is preventing your interest in it?
+What would be required to gain your interest in it?
+
+Well, I see this as my last opportunity for trying to push this again
+trying to preserve our community, leave our differences aside and try
+one final time to attempt uniting communities that would be stronger
+and healthier working together, allowing diversity rather than against
+eachother, fueling controversy and causing further fragmentation in
+our ecosystem.
+
+If nothing else, I did try at least.. ;)
+
+Oh well, I fear that this I with this post and the proposition might
+just be flamed to death no matter how sane and justified I may find
+this that others might consider a flamebait pipedream, or perhaps just
+ignored which wouldn't surprise me that much either, but as there
+might just be slight chance of constructive discussion taking place
+and something of use to someone rather than a new round with
+distribution of blame and angry voices, I take my chances in the
+spirit of the greater good for everyone. :o)
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+--
+With the very best intentions,
+Per &#216;yvind,
+Your chief in charge of hugs and candy ;)
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+We have at this time two servers available on our DC for host partial part
+of Mageia request.
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+1 Bi Xeon Dell 3.0Ghz with RAID5 (36Go)
+1 Atom Server with 2x1To / 2GB Ram
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+Delivery time: Immediately
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+We are ready to host the mail/blog or website for the next 6 months..., we
+have not the Bandwidth for host mirror at this time.
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+If you're interest send me an email or call me (Erwan has my cell phone)
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+Marc F. GOMEZ
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+development version of Mageia.
+
+Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+another distribution to avoid mistake.
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+First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
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+Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+please to anyone.
+
+Your ideas are welcome.
+
+I'll see according results how to choose one.
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+Regards.
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+Olivier Thauvin
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Olivier Thauvin
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
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+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
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+[...]
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+&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>i like the idea of a cauldron to cook magic ^^
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+3. brewery
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+4. bakery
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+&gt;<i> Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i like the idea of a cauldron to cook magic ^^
+</I>
+Yes, definitely! Let's put another frog's heart and bat's wing in and
+stir it twice at second full moon while singing &quot;Mageia, Mageia,
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+&gt;<i> &quot;Cauldron&quot; is nice. It was my first thought.
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+ It's so Nice :)
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+ The name in grec is &quot;&#954;&#959;&#965;&#950;&#943;&#957;&#945;&quot; i think, it's not bad too.
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i like the idea of a cauldron to cook magic ^^
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+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, definitely! Let's put another frog's heart and bat's wing in and
+</I>&gt;<i> stir it twice at second full moon while singing &quot;Mageia, Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia&quot; in a husky voice!
+</I>I like the scene! And cauldron does fit in the meaning of mageia :)
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+ <B>Samuel Verschelde</B>
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+Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 07:26:39, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; I am still hoping to see both side of the divide to work together as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; much as possible and I do not see any reason to not have it.
+</I>&gt;<i> As do I.
+</I>
+I really do hope too that efforts can be common at a certain level between mageia and Mandriva Linux.
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+To former Edge-IT employees : I do not know your feelings about it but I do pray you to consider this option regardless of what feelings you may have. Something that would benefit both parties without putting too much constraint on mageia's direction. I'm 100% behing Mageia but I still like Mandriva Linux too.
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+To the Mandriva Company (I didn't reply to Arnaud Laprevote in CC but hope he reads this), please consider this option. There may be several suitable models benefiting all parties.
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+&gt;<i> &#22312; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:51:47 +0800, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i like the idea of a cauldron to cook magic ^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, definitely! Let's put another frog's heart and bat's wing in and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stir it twice at second full moon while singing &quot;Mageia, Mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia&quot; in a husky voice!
+</I>&gt;<i> I like the scene! And cauldron does fit in the meaning of mageia :)
+</I>
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>
+Well, Cauldron suits me well
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+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i like the idea of a cauldron to cook magic ^^
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, definitely! Let's put another frog's heart and bat's wing in and
+</I>&gt;<i> stir it twice at second full moon while singing &quot;Mageia, Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia&quot; in a husky voice!
+</I>
+Wobo !!! Are you under Mageia' spell ?? i would probably better leave before
+being bewitched like you
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+/me leaves shouting &quot;Mageia, Mageia, Mageia&quot; in a husky voice!&quot; :D
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Miguel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cullero at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> My vote for &quot;cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> motitos
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, to stay logical about naming, and since mageia comes from greek, why
+</I>not referring entirely to it:
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+We could use the greek mythology for names (including former mandriva
+control center and so on), this would bring a little of &quot;culture&quot; in our
+bench lab, and would probably be appreciated by all, see:
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+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology</A>
+
+So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:
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+&quot; He was the god of technology &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technology</A>&gt;,
+blacksmiths &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksmith">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacksmith</A>&gt;,
+craftsmen&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craft">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craft</A>&gt;,
+artisans &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artisan">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artisan</A>&gt;,
+sculptors&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculpture</A>&gt;,
+metals &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal</A>&gt;,
+metallurgy&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallurgy</A>&gt;,
+fire &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_%28classical_element%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_%28classical_element%29</A>&gt; and
+volcanoes &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcano</A>&gt;&quot;
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+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</A>
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+WDYT?
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+<PRE>I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?
+
+'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?
+
+Bye.
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+On Martes, 21 de Septiembre de 2010 10:07:17 Olivier M&#233;jean escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/21 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; an insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; refer to another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, Cauldron suits me well
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; i like the idea of a cauldron to cook magic ^^
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, definitely! Let's put another frog's heart and bat's wing in and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stir it twice at second full moon while singing &quot;Mageia, Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia&quot; in a husky voice!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wobo !!! Are you under Mageia' spell ?? i would probably better leave
+</I>&gt;<i> before being bewitched like you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /me leaves shouting &quot;Mageia, Mageia, Mageia&quot; in a husky voice!&quot; :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>/put is her feminist cloak
+And why female must the disciple ?
+/end of feminist time
+&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>More seriously the cauldron idea is good. I love it.
+But there is only one point : sourcemage, a linux-distro, is already
+using the name for the build-iso system if I've read the site properly
+<A HREF="http://www.sourcemage.org/Cauldron/Main">http://www.sourcemage.org/Cauldron/Main</A>
+
+I think it wouldn't be a problem. We are all magician of linux
+
+My 2 cents
+
+Jehane
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate)
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+&gt;<i> So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors,
+</I>&gt;<i> metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stef
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+Cooker was good from this point of view.
+
+Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+
+For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the
+&quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,
+keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or
+&quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.
+</I>
+What about Pan ?
+
+Pan- as a prefix (Greek &#960;&#8118;&#957;, pan, &quot;all,&quot; &quot;of everything,&quot; &quot;involving
+all members&quot; of a group)
+Pan (god), a god of nature in Greek mythology
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 04:28, Jan Ciger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">steletch at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Stef
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+</I>&gt;<i> will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+</I>&gt;<i> such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cooker was good from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J.
+</I>Mystique ??
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+&gt;<i> Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+</I>&gt;<i> will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+</I>&gt;<i> such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cooker was good from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+</I>I don't think, most people would have problems pronouncing hephaestus, at
+least not in Europe and America, since in the European languages there is some
+greek background to be found.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.
+</I>I would advice against &quot;pot&quot;, since &quot;Pott&quot; is at least in German the nickname
+for some drug (don't ask me, which exactly,I don't take drugs).
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-21 04:28, Jan Ciger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">steletch at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sculptors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Stef
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cooker was good from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> J.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mystique ??
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
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+Synergy: where all work together
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synergy</A>
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+Agora: The place where everybody discuting
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agora</A>
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+Delphi: The magical place
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi</A>
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">steletch at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans, sculptors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Stef
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+</I>&gt;<i> will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+</I>&gt;<i> such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cooker was good from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J.
+</I>TheBrew ???
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+Enchantment ???
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+Marc
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-21 04:43, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-21 04:28, Jan Ciger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">steletch at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sculptors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Stef
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cooker was good from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> J.
+</I>&gt;<i> TheBrew ???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Enchantment ???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Infusion (witch's brew) ???
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Monday 20 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; from Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; My own opinion is that the issue that lead to the creation of PLF
+</I>&gt;<i> would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; still apply.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; One thing we should try if possible is to have is support in Easy Urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ( <A HREF="http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/">http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/</A> ) as it is a great help when setting up a
+</I>&gt;<i> system.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Must be seen with easyurpmi team. Easyurpmi is an independant project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once Mageia has a repo I am sure we can integrate that in smarturpmi:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://smarturpmi.mandrivauser.de">http://smarturpmi.mandrivauser.de</A> (maybe then smarturpmi.mageia.de)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For those who don't know it: Smarturpmi is a web application which
+</I>&gt;<i> caters to the same needs as EasyUrpmi, with the advantage that each
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror displays the timestamp of latest sync and availability of all
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors is checked 3 times a day. It's available in 15 languages (even
+</I>&gt;<i> including English!) and a GPL app, currently running on our webserver
+</I>&gt;<i> but available for everybody to install it on his webserver.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Also, you can find at blogdrake.net a little web application called
+dependenciasDRAKE which ables to the user create a list of dependences for
+some package in order to download in another computer. Useful for users with
+a poor net connection. And TunningDRAKE, which creates a &quot;tune up&quot; sequence
+including repo configuration, download some user-high-demanded stuff, etc.
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+Maybe you contact with katnatek at blogdrake (creator of theese tools) to
+share ideas.
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-21 04:43, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-21 04:28, Jan Ciger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">steletch at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So instead of the cauldron, I would go for Hephaestus:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot; He was the god of technology, blacksmiths, craftsmen, artisans,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sculptors,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> metals, metallurgy, fire and volcanoes&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephaestus</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Stef
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cooker was good from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> For me &quot;cooker&quot; was somehow always the person doing the cooking (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;cook&quot;), not so much the pot (as in &quot;pressure cooker&quot;). However,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> keeping with the &quot;thing&quot; approach - why not &quot;foundry&quot;, &quot;lab&quot;, or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;crucible&quot;? Even &quot;pot&quot; would work.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> J.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> TheBrew ???
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Enchantment ???
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Infusion (witch's brew) ???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Oliver Burger
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Jan Ciger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jan.ciger at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cooker was good from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think, most people would have problems pronouncing hephaestus, at
+</I>&gt;<i> least not in Europe and America, since in the European languages there is some
+</I>&gt;<i> greek background to be found.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Most people in India, AFAIK will have a problem pronouncing
+&quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot;. Sticking to a Greek name which is also
+used in English would be better for users other than in
+Europe/America.
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+Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 10:04:34, Lombard Marianne a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> /put is her feminist cloak
+</I>&gt;<i> And why female must the disciple ?
+</I>&gt;<i> /end of feminist time
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> More seriously the cauldron idea is good. I love it.
+</I>&gt;<i> But there is only one point : sourcemage, a linux-distro, is already
+</I>&gt;<i> using the name for the build-iso system if I've read the site properly
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.sourcemage.org/Cauldron/Main">http://www.sourcemage.org/Cauldron/Main</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it wouldn't be a problem. We are all magician of linux
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My 2 cents
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Jehane
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+We could ask them if they mind, because Cauldron still seems the most obvious choice to me :)
+
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+ <B>Olivier M&#233;jean</B>
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+<PRE>Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+What about bubbling
+
+We are talking about development version, just like preparing a mixture in a
+cauldron, light heating and stirring and now look and listen ... &quot;blub ! bluub
+! blubb !&quot; all these bubbles that gently exploded, midly blown up, stir a bit
+more, a bit longer, taste now still hearing &quot;blub ! bluub ! blubb !&quot;, it's
+hot, it taste well due to mild heating, it is ready to serve. That's the
+secret of fully tasting meal, the quality of the bubbling ... it's in your
+mind, listen ! &quot;blub ! bluub ! blubb !&quot;
+
+yes, definitively :
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+Bubbling
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+<PRE>On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 00:41 -0700, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Per &#216;yvind Karlsen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh well, I fear that this I with this post and the proposition might
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just be flamed to death no matter how sane and justified I may find
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this that others might consider a flamebait pipedream, or perhaps just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ignored which wouldn't surprise me that much either, but as there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> might just be slight chance of constructive discussion taking place
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and something of use to someone rather than a new round with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution of blame and angry voices, I take my chances in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> spirit of the greater good for everyone. :o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, now here we have our old Per &#216;yvind back, while his person was
+</I>&gt;<i> occupied by a demon lately?
+</I>Nah, he just rather felt the motivation and ideas about organization
+being too different and in contrast, getting in the way of any mutual
+goals and hopes, making them irrelevant. But I'd rather focus on
+bringing these in line and of mutual interest as well now rather than
+criticizing further. ;)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What you propose makes the same sense as it made a couple of months
+</I>&gt;<i> ago, but the circumstances have changed a lot meanwhile. Yoou can't
+</I>&gt;<i> turn back the pages and read again like &quot;Forget what was, here is a
+</I>&gt;<i> born again world&quot;. Now such a system as you suggest will depend not
+</I>&gt;<i> only on technical and economical questions as it was some time ago but
+</I>&gt;<i> also on how much trust you can still have / want to have in the
+</I>&gt;<i> current powers at Mandriva as well as how much motivation the makers
+</I>&gt;<i> of this fork can show to cooperate with a company which has treated
+</I>&gt;<i> them as seen in the previous months. This can only be answered by
+</I>&gt;<i> those people, not by any other.
+</I>Well, you and me both has managed to stay focused on and more care
+around the community part despite getting canned from the company
+since quite a while ago, and even both had our quarrels with some of
+the community as well, independent of our employment, we're still
+around. Personally I'd feel rather hypocritical otherwise as any
+claims and beliefs of mine about Mandriva Linux being a community
+distribution wouldn't be consistent with letting my professional
+relations interfer with community involvement. I'd experience it as if
+I were setting myself and my own personal feelings towards the
+employer in that context, especially if imposing it on the community
+and allow for it to dictate their direction..
+
+I also feel that the claim about all talents and core developers of
+the distribution being quite unfair to those people employed at
+Conectiva, which AFAIK still has more people despite all it's previous
+departures (which to my understanding most of likely wouldn't have
+left either under the current situation where remaining staff chose to
+stay) assigned to work on the community distribution than Edge-IT had
+when liquidated. This kinda suggests a notion of the whole
+distribution and anything of importance revolves around these
+relatively few people at Edge-IT, and that the staff at Conectiva,
+despite being made up of more people, they're less important.. Same
+can be said for community contributors..
+
+So, is this the case? If it's not, then there shouldn't be anything in
+the way of continuing involvement in the community and help improve it
+and setting up a community organization together with and around it,
+after all, we're grownups and should know better than taking out our
+grudges on others..
+I don't really like implying such and feel uncomfortable about raising
+the questions, but there's several details concerning this that raises
+the question on where you're actually acting in the community's best
+interest or not, if your intentions really are, then I urge you to
+reconsider participate in this attempt on establishing a dialogue..
+
+Certainly there can be other technical differences and desires
+motivating the fork as well, making it more desirable for both parties
+and allowing for them different focus and priorities without being at
+conflict, but this doesn't have to mean that a split has to happen in
+the community nor that we cannot work together on creating an
+organization together and collaborate rather than burning bridges and
+creating grounds for controversy and hostility. As the interest and
+desires expressed by Matthew and Unity Linux, and their efforts all
+along has shown, there is room for diversity and different focus while
+at the same time actively working on improving relations and how to
+better complement eachother.
+As there's obviously interest for these things in both the Unity and
+Mandriva community, why wouldn't there be so in the Mageia community?
+If there's not, it wouldn't seem very professional of you, and
+certainly not community friendly nor in the community's best interest,
+would it?
+The official news and strategy announced by Mandriva certainly doesn't
+seem to rumours on bad intentions threatening the community or the
+distribution's future either, so that shouldn't be the concern
+either...
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And of course it depends on how the powers at Mandriva (I do not mean
+</I>&gt;<i> Laprevote but rather his peers) will see such an obligation, which it
+</I>&gt;<i> will be for them. Would they see it as a necessary move, I mean
+</I>&gt;<i> necessary for their plans, not ours? As we do not know their plans we
+</I>&gt;<i> can't even speculate about that. I remember an investor talking to a
+</I>&gt;<i> former member of the Mandriva board, advising him to get rid of the
+</I>&gt;<i> enduser community because they only keep the company away from
+</I>&gt;<i> important work. I don't say that all investors think like that, but
+</I>&gt;<i> it's a good example.
+</I>Then I guess we should be happy that investor is no longer on the board. ;)
+But certainly with regards to the company and related to the changes
+in it's management, verifying their current position on the matter and
+ensure their actual interest would certainly be useful before assuming
+or expecting anything. If we have it and a good dialogue is
+established, then much can be done from there.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, a Mandriva company which really means to carry out what
+</I>&gt;<i> Laprevote mentioned in his motivation &quot;news&quot;, a Mandriva company which
+</I>&gt;<i> starts being communicative and transparent where it is possible, a
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva company which starts doing what it always claimed to be their
+</I>&gt;<i> commitment (&quot;we are committed to the community&quot;), this could be a good
+</I>&gt;<i> partner, /me thinks, day dreaming.
+</I>Yupp, and we can only find out by giving the chance and try contribute
+to this ourself, it's a two-way street after all.. :)
+&gt;<i> But as I wrote: I have no voice in this anyway.
+</I>Yupp, but we can at least hope to influence in the best interest, for
+Mageia I personally didn't really have any real knowledge of before
+after it's announcement, so I'm not expecting to even have much of a
+voice in by myself, yet I'm hoping logic, reason and mutual benefits
+and goals will come out winning in the end.. :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: I thought the chief in hugs was Fran&#231;ois Bancilhon? :)
+</I>Well, I'm his secret twin, and as he weren't granted this overwhelming
+responsibility at the first assembly meeting, he has to share the
+duties with me, tipsy or not. ;)
+
+--
+Hugziez&amp;kizzez,
+Your BFF &lt;3
+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>Le 21/09/2010 10:56, Anshul Jain a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jan Ciger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jan.ciger at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cooker was good from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think, most people would have problems pronouncing hephaestus, at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least not in Europe and America, since in the European languages there is some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> greek background to be found.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Most people in India, AFAIK will have a problem pronouncing
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot;. Sticking to a Greek name which is also
+</I>&gt;<i> used in English would be better for users other than in
+</I>&gt;<i> Europe/America.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Anshul
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hephaistos, in old roman culture, was called Vulcan, more easy to
+pronounce (and write)
+And I guess all the linuxians fan of Star Trek will support this name.
+
+Jehane
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+&gt;<i> In that case, if we're talking magic, how about some sort of crystal ball
+</I>&gt;<i> to replace it?
+</I>
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+&#191;Open clipart library crystal ball: <A HREF="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413?">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413?</A>
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Redy Rodr&#237;guez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">redy.rodriguez at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">odahlum at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In that case, if we're talking magic, how about some sort of crystal ball
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to replace it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#191;Open clipart library crystal ball: <A HREF="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [ parolas.thebbs.org 100% Linux native ]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Redy Rodr&#237;guez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">redy.rodriguez at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">odahlum at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In that case, if we're talking magic, how about some sort of crystal ball
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to replace it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#191;Open clipart library crystal ball:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413?">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413?</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [ parolas.thebbs.org 100% Linux native ]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> W
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>With some (4-5) bubbles of oxygen in the top of the crystal, as the potion
+is cooking !
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+&gt;<i> Hephaistos, in old roman culture, was called Vulcan, more easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> pronounce (and write)
+</I>&gt;<i> And I guess all the linuxians fan of Star Trek will support this name.
+</I> Vulcan is ok, a strong force which spews fire and the elements which
+formed the earth as we know it.
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+ <B>Adrian Marcinkowski</B>
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+<PRE>Dear friends,
+
+In response to the community need of having a neutral ground to share
+thoughts and ideas regarding future Mageia software, I have decided to
+run Mageia Forums. And although it will remain an unofficial board, I
+believe it may play the role of a place where you may share your
+enthusiasm, considerations and fears about the new distribution. A place
+where you will be able to meet fellow users, present your logo concepts
+or find other eager people to create a local community. Let's unload the
+current high traffic that is present on the mailing lists and let them
+serve their original role.
+
+The forums have been registered under the domain:
+<A HREF="http://mageiaforums.org/">http://mageiaforums.org/</A>
+Register, fill your profiles in and contribute.
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+Regards,
+Adrian
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+ <B>Redy Rodr&#237;guez</B>
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+<PRE>*Hecate* or *Hekate* (ancient Greek&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek</A>&gt;
+&#7961;&#954;&#940;&#964;&#951; &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%99%CE%BA%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%B7">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%99%CE%BA%CE%AC%CF%84%CE%B7</A>&gt;, *
+Hek&#225;t&#275;*, pronounced
+/&#712;h&#603;k&#601;ti&#720;/&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English</A>&gt;or
+/&#712;h&#603;k&#601;t/ &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English</A>&gt;[1]&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate#cite_note-0">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate#cite_note-0</A>&gt;in
+English) is a
+chthonic &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chthonic">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chthonic</A>&gt; Greco-Roman goddess
+associated with magic and crossroads.
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hecate</A>
+
+--
+Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.
+
+[ parolas.thebbs.org 100% Linux native ]
+
+In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forums have been registered under the domain:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageiaforums.org/">http://mageiaforums.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Register, fill your profiles in and contribute.
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nice logo !
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+<PRE>Uhmm, mandrivausers.org and mageiausers.org already exists.
+
+Cheers,
+
+H.
+
+On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 03:02 -0700, Adrian Marcinkowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> Dear friends,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In response to the community need
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+</I>&gt;<i> The forums have been registered under the domain:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageiaforums.org/">http://mageiaforums.org/</A>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums">marianne at tuxette.fr
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+<PRE>Le 21/09/2010 12:18, herman a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Uhmm, mandrivausers.org and mageiausers.org already exists.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> H.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 03:02 -0700, Adrian Marcinkowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dear friends,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In response to the community need
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The forums have been registered under the domain:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageiaforums.org/">http://mageiaforums.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Register, fill your profiles in and contribute.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Can we wait to have an official one ?
+
+forums.mageia.org or mageia.org/forums/ I suppose
+
+Marianne
+
+PS : please, no top-posting
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate)
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Lombard Marianne &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le 21/09/2010 12:18, herman a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Uhmm, mandrivausers.org and mageiausers.org already exists.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 03:02 -0700, Adrian Marcinkowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dear friends,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In response to the community need
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The forums have been registered under the domain:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageiaforums.org/">http://mageiaforums.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Register, fill your profiles in and contribute.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we wait to have an official one ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, definitely. This is just what we do not need, several places for
+the same task. Pls let the &quot;steering board&quot; build the general
+structure to keep it centralized.
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amfidiusz at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The forums have been registered under the domain:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageiaforums.org/">http://mageiaforums.org/</A>
+</I>I don't think creating yet another forumis a real good idea. There already is
+mandrivauser.org/mageiausers.org out there and I think, there will be an
+official one, sonn.
+Why not wait, till the infrastructure has settled down?
+I can understand the reasons in creating some neutral forums for Mandriva
+itself since the Mandriva forums were in fact under the control of Mandriva
+S.A., but Mageia itself is a community project. Why creating yet another
+community project to be neutral? There isn't any reason to do that.
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Artwork%20-%20Mageia%20Logo%20contest&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikwO80Zt4b23cpN2_K2nyc-UoCKbx-ppTYMJkJv%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest">msdobrescu at gmail.com
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 12:30:47 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>I think it is too fuzzy...
+
+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Redy Rodr&#237;guez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">redy.rodriguez at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Olav Dahlum &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">odahlum at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In that case, if we're talking magic, how about some sort of crystal ball
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to replace it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#191;Open clipart library crystal ball:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413?">http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1413?</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia2.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg">http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/userpics/10007/mageia.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [ parolas.thebbs.org 100% Linux native ]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In a world without frontiers, who needs Gates and Windows?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> W
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With some (4-5) bubbles of oxygen in the top of the crystal, as the potion
+</I>&gt;<i> is cooking !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+ <B>Kira</B>
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+<PRE>&#22312; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:01:51 +0800, Wolfgang Bornath
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Lombard Marianne &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hephaistos, in old roman culture, was called Vulcan, more easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pronounce (and write)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And I guess all the linuxians fan of Star Trek will support this name.
+</I>&gt;<i> Vulcan is ok, a strong force which spews fire and the elements which
+</I>&gt;<i> formed the earth as we know it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But as for the Trekkie relation, Vulcan is a planet without emotions
+</I>&gt;<i> which does not suit us!
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>(Off Topic :P)
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+Vulcan do have emotions, they suppress them for the sake of logic
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+Actually, I think the name Vulcan doesn't suit either.
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+&gt;<i> Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /put is her feminist cloak
+</I>&gt;<i> And why female must the disciple ?
+</I>&gt;<i> /end of feminist time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> More seriously the cauldron idea is good. I love it.
+</I>&gt;<i> But there is only one point : sourcemage, a linux-distro, is already
+</I>&gt;<i> using the name for the build-iso system if I've read the site properly
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.sourcemage.org/Cauldron/Main">http://www.sourcemage.org/Cauldron/Main</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it wouldn't be a problem. We are all magician of linux
+</I>
+Chef, bakery, kitchen, rookery, kettle. We don't have to beat the magic thing over the head.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>
+
+Trying for simple names that don't have too many English spelling
+oddities...
+
+* mixer
+* blender
+* mill
+
+* concert
+* harmony
+* unity
+
+* mercury (Roman messenger of the gods + fast; see also next line...)
+* mercurial (indicates instability and change - perfect for the dev version)
+* quicksilver (old/alchemical name for the element mercury)
+
+* &quot;alchemy&quot; might not be great for internationalization with its hard
+&quot;ch&quot; sound, but words relating to alchemy...?
+
+* elixir
+* transmutation
+
+I also liked &quot;cauldron&quot; or &quot;crucible&quot; (the latter having meanings in
+magic and science).
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+<PRE> 21.09.2010 11:04, Yann Ciret kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Le 21/09/2010 09:56, Kira a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:51:47 +0800, Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i like the idea of a cauldron to cook magic ^^
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, definitely! Let's put another frog's heart and bat's wing in and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stir it twice at second full moon while singing &quot;Mageia, Mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia&quot; in a husky voice!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like the scene! And cauldron does fit in the meaning of mageia :)
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron is a good name.
+</I>+1
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+&gt;<i> On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Trying for simple names that don't have too many English spelling
+</I>&gt;<i> oddities...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * mixer
+</I>&gt;<i> * blender
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I vote for 'mixer', easy to remember, easy to pronounce, easy to write.
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+Cauldron is too hard to promounce, we already have
+Mageia, we don't need more hard to pronounce names...
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+</I>&gt;<i> I vote for 'mixer', easy to remember, easy to pronounce, easy to write.
+</I>
+Hmm, &quot;mixer&quot; like in alsamixer ?
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+&gt;<i> Cauldron is too hard to promounce
+</I>
+You kidding? It is English, it has only 2 syllables, what is the
+difficulty there?
+You know how to pronounce &quot;Paul&quot;? Now replace the &quot;P&quot; with a &quot;C&quot; and
+add &quot;dron&quot; which is pronounced it as it is spelled.
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+I wonder what is the difference between cooker and cauldron,
+pronociation-wise I mean.
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+C'mon, we are all not illiterate monkeys.
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+<PRE>El mar, 21-09-2010 a las 09:41 +0200, Olivier Thauvin escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&quot;testing&quot; would be a good one, it could also enforce adventure users to
+try it to help on &quot;testing&quot; ;-)
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+&gt;<i> El mar, 21-09-2010 a las 09:41 +0200, Olivier Thauvin escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+or Mageia rolling
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin skrev 21.9.2010 10:41:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. brewery
+</I>As a beer fan I like this one quite a lot.
+
+I&#8217;m thinking of puns we could make with it like :
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+- Have you tasted the last brew ?
+- Have you tested the last brew ?
+
+Also the name reminds me of homebrew, which insists on the community
+side of things,
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+&gt;<i> My vote for &quot;cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> motitos
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+My vote too for Cauldron
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+&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I really like the name &quot;cauldron&quot;.
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+ <B>Jure Repinc</B>
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 21 of September 2010 09:41:30 Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>Cool, that was the first idea that came to my mind when reading the subject.
+
+So, cauldron++
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+&gt;<i> I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye.
+</I>
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+In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .
+
+I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bye.
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+</I>&gt;<i> In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
+</I>What about &quot;Tea Party&quot;?
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+</I>&gt;<i> In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .
+</I>That's the case in most countries where US american culture was enforced :)
+Same in germany as Oliver already pointed out.
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I vote for 'mixer', easy to remember, easy to pronounce, easy to write.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, &quot;mixer&quot; like in alsamixer ?
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+Wobo, you know that's nonsense, it's the context that counts, every word
+has been used somewhere before (unless we use a newly invented word), as
+long as it's not used in the same context publically somewhere else we
+can use it.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Cauldron is too hard to promounce
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> &gt; You kidding?
+
+No I'm not, and it's certainly longer to type, in the Unix world
+(on which Linux is based) shortness has always been popular:
+mv, cp, ls, etc...
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+&gt;<i> What about &quot;Tea Party&quot;?
+</I> IMHO too long. Besides this has a certain odeur for UK patriots,
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> What about &quot;Tea Party&quot;?
+</I>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Cauldron is too hard to promounce
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&gt; You kidding?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No I'm not, and it's certainly longer to type, in the Unix world
+</I>&gt;<i> (on which Linux is based) shortness has always been popular:
+</I>&gt;<i> mv, cp, ls, etc...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a Unix/Linux sysadmin I like to type less! :-)
+</I> You are right, Cauldron is 2 chars shorter than Cooker
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+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye.
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+In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .
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+I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
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+<PRE>cauldron +1
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+ 1. Re: New name for cooker (Aur?lien GOLL)
+ 2. Re: New name for cooker (Joel Simoes)
+ 3. Re: New name for cooker (alexandre lucazeau)
+ 4. Re: New name for cooker (Remy CLOUARD)
+ 5. Re: New name for cooker (SinnerBOFH)
+ 6. Re: New name for cooker (Redy Rodr?guez)
+ 7. Re: New name for cooker (Jure Repinc)
+ 8. Re: New name for cooker (Sinner from the Prairy)
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+Message: 1
+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:46:50 +0200
+From: Aur?lien GOLL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">aurelien.goll at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+[...]
+cauldron +1
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+Message: 2
+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:51:38 +0200 (CEST)
+From: Joel Simoes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">joel.simoes at lezard-visuel.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">623039508.1210.1285069898248.JavaMail.root at zimbra</A>&gt;
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+[...]
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+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:57:53 +0200
+From: alexandre lucazeau &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mornik at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+If cauldron is used by sourcemage, i suggest : wok
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+it's simple, easy to use, and all people use a wok for multiple cooking, not
+?
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+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:05:24 +0200
+From: Remy CLOUARD &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">20100921120524.GA25464 at shikamaru.fr</A>&gt;
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+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin skrev 21.9.2010 10:41:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. brewery
+</I>As a beer fan I like this one quite a lot.
+
+I?m thinking of puns we could make with it like :
+
+- Have you tasted the last brew ?
+- Have you tested the last brew ?
+
+Also the name reminds me of homebrew, which insists on the community
+side of things,
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+just my 2 cents,
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+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:06:41 -0400
+From: SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">581481C6-2BB3-400A-9B47-77E971417A9B at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Miguel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cullero at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> My vote for &quot;cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> motitos
+</I>
+My vote too for Cauldron
+
+P. S. : nice seeing you here motitos :)
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+
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+Message: 6
+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:12:15 +0200
+From: Redy Rodr?guez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">redy.rodriguez at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I really like the name &quot;cauldron&quot;.
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+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:09:48 +0200
+From: Jure Repinc &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jlp at holodeck1.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">201009211409.49232.jlp at holodeck1.com</A>&gt;
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+On Tuesday 21 of September 2010 09:41:30 Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>Cool, that was the first idea that came to my mind when reading the subject.
+
+So, cauldron++
+
+Have a great time,
+Jure &quot;JLP&quot; Repinc
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+Message: 8
+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:33:14 -0400
+From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+ &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye.
+</I>
+
+In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .
+
+I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
+
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+Salut,
+Sinner
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+version of IPB (i.e. stolen)
+In any case .. as has already been mentioned, running ahead a doing things
+without taking direction from a steering committee is counter productive.
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+Let Anne Nicolas choose who and how (I'm pretty sure Anne is the community
+liason/manager/go to person/insert title here/ ? )
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+Maybe mageia contributors don't feel to be involved in a forum now, but at least a forum is something you choose to check or not email.
+When I see 50 emails about the cookeer name, I'm sorry but who cares !!! Why are you spamming my mailbox with such stupid question when the project is still in discussion mode... (before choose a name, maybe we should start the work...)(I have a new alert every 15 seconds for a new mail on my mandriva kopet alert message)
+
+If they need a server to put a forum some people say thay can host it, or if they need some people to install it or moderate it, I can help. I'm sure it could be an easy way for some &quot;contributors&quot; to help tham to work and to discuss in a decent environnment without paying the price of taking so much time for it...
+
+Pierre
+(installing a forum is 10 minutes works, moderate him can be time eating, but not too much)
+&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:30:43 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/21 Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amfidiusz at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The forums have been registered under the domain:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://mageiaforums.org/">http://mageiaforums.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think creating yet another forumis a real good idea. There already is
+</I>&gt;<i> mandrivauser.org/mageiausers.org out there and I think, there will be an
+</I>&gt;<i> official one, sonn.
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not wait, till the infrastructure has settled down?
+</I>&gt;<i> I can understand the reasons in creating some neutral forums for Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> itself since the Mandriva forums were in fact under the control of Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> S.A., but Mageia itself is a community project. Why creating yet another
+</I>&gt;<i> community project to be neutral? There isn't any reason to do that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
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+On Sep 21, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bye.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> What about &quot;Tea Party&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
+</I>
+Right now, &quot;Tea Party&quot; has a very charged political meaning in the USA. Not good for a FOSS project.
+
+Salut,
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+ <B>Erwien Samantha Y</B>
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 14:57:34 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>I would suggest a word that always used by magician:
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+1. Abracadabra (it maybe to long but easy to remember and everybody
+familiar with it).
+2. Alakazam
+3. Presto
+4. &quot;Ta Da!&quot; (The simple one)
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+regards,
+ErwienSamantha
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+ <B>Tux99</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums">tux99-mga at uridium.org
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Pierre Pmithrandir wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe mageia contributors don't feel to be involved in a forum now,
+</I>&gt;<i> but at least a forum is something you choose to check or not email.
+</I>
+I agree that we urgently need a forum and we already have
+mandrivausers.org/mageiausers.org, that has been an independent Mandriva
+user forum for many years so it's all set up and already has experienced
+mods and the owner Paul has joined the Mageia project and offered his
+help.
+
+It would be great if Paul could set up a bi-directional mailing-list
+gateway on the mandrivausers.org/mageiausers.org forum so we could
+choose to read/respond to the ML via forum posts, but I don't know how
+easily that can be done (if at all).
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Pierre Pmithrandir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pmithrandir at hotmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Maybe mageia contributors don't feel to be involved in a forum now, but at
+</I>&gt;<i> least a forum is something you choose to check or not email.
+</I>&gt;<i> When I see 50 emails about the cookeer name, I'm sorry but who cares !!! Why
+</I>&gt;<i> are you spamming my mailbox with such stupid question when the project is
+</I>&gt;<i> still in discussion mode... (before choose a name, maybe we should start the
+</I>&gt;<i> work...)(I have a new alert every 15 seconds for a new mail on my mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> kopet alert message)
+</I>
+You must have realized that within the first day. Why didn't you
+switch to gmane for the time being?
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+ <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B>
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 15:00:58 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+openSUSE is offering Mageia a build system where we can start building
+(at least) some part of the distro:
+
+<A HREF="http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2010/09/welcome-mageia.html">http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2010/09/welcome-mageia.html</A>
+
+(...)
+
+&quot;looking for help?
+So I have a suggestion for them. In the spirit of our upcoming
+openSUSE conference with the 'collaboration across borders' theme, I
+invite you to collaborate with us.&quot;
+
+(...)
+
+&quot;openSUSE has the Build Service which we use to build our
+distribution. But the build service is also used by many other
+communities including the Linux Foundation's Meego project. It is
+fully Free Software so anyone can set up their own Build Service if
+they want. Currently the Build Service already allows building
+Mandriva packages and we could support Mageia too. As a stop-gap
+measure, the Mageia community could build (part of) their distro on
+our infrastructure - and in time set up their own Build Service
+instance.&quot;
+
+(...)
+
+
+What do you think?
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+--
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+ <B>Adrian Marcinkowski</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums">amfidiusz at gmail.com
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 15:01:13 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>W dniu 2010-09-21 14:49, Paul Willard pisze:
+&gt;<i> Well I'm not 100% sure .. maybe 80% sure that the software is a nulled
+</I>&gt;<i> version of IPB (i.e. stolen)
+</I>
+What are you basing your accusation on?
+
+I'm not going to comment on the need of having the forums in such form
+or another. I am providing a discussion board to Mageia users - it's up
+to them whether they will use it or not.
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 15:02:18 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Looked at ML integration before, but never had success .. then again I
+didn't look very hard :)
+
+8 years of mandrake/mandriva support .. looking forward to a new era
+Had our birthday just two weeks ago .. seems like an appropriate time :)
+Rockin !!
+\m/
+
+Paul Willard.
+
+-----Original Message-----
+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] On Behalf Of Tux99
+Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:59 a.m.
+To: Mageia general discussions
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+
+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Pierre Pmithrandir wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe mageia contributors don't feel to be involved in a forum now,
+</I>&gt;<i> but at least a forum is something you choose to check or not email.
+</I>
+I agree that we urgently need a forum and we already have
+mandrivausers.org/mageiausers.org, that has been an independent Mandriva
+user forum for many years so it's all set up and already has experienced
+mods and the owner Paul has joined the Mageia project and offered his help.
+
+It would be great if Paul could set up a bi-directional mailing-list gateway
+on the mandrivausers.org/mageiausers.org forum so we could choose to
+read/respond to the ML via forum posts, but I don't know how easily that can
+be done (if at all).
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+As in &quot;cooking in the cauldron&quot;
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+ <B>Gerardo Bueno</B>
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+<PRE>Sorry I didn't know that :S
+
+-mensaje original-
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+De: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Fecha: 21/09/2010 14:33
+
+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye.
+</I>
+
+In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .
+
+I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+--
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+<PRE>Could we pls leave this topic alone until the leading board decides
+about the forum?
+
+It is not helpful at all to offer this or that forum now. There will
+be a general forum in due time. If somebody does not like the
+mailinglist system now he can use gmane with a client or webbrowser
+for the time being. It will not ring any bells and is structured in
+threads like a forum.
+
+Anyhow, after the first day it was clear that this will be a mess for
+a couple of days until the board gets around to implement some order
+and structure. We should be patient until then. Of course the logo and
+cooker name threads are fun and will not end too soon, but they would
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>Maybe you could consider the name &quot;GENESIS&quot;. Not related with &quot;magic&quot;,
+but after all, the development version will be the very beginin of the
+&quot;final stable&quot; Mageia. The &quot;genesis&quot; of Mageia happening all the time,
+release after release.
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+And the word &quot;cooker&quot; never had relation with computer or linux. Just
+like genesis has no relation with magic. But if we name it and use it,
+we'll feel it as familiar as we feel now &quot;cooker&quot;.
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+Cheers!
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 21 September 2010, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> openSUSE is offering Mageia a build system where we can start building
+</I>&gt;<i> (at least) some part of the distro:
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2010/09/welcome-mageia.html">http://nowwhatthe.blogspot.com/2010/09/welcome-mageia.html</A>
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+Including that they have also thought about git-based per-project packaging..
+;)
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+ <B>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Re%20%3A%20Mageia-discuss%20Digest%2C%20Vol%201%2C%20Issue%2058&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Db%3D7GXgAv%2BpSgs3r%3Dqb2na5K9vngef-eq2jAwh%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 15:22:04 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Cauldron +1
+
+2010/9/21 Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jean_francois.bellanger at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> cauldron +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> *De :* &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A>&quot; &lt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> *&#192; :* <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> *Envoy&#233; le :* Mar 21 septembre 2010, 14h 33min 18s
+</I>&gt;<i> *Objet :* Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Send Mageia-discuss mailing list submissions to
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+</I>&gt;<i> than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-discuss digest...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today's Topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Re: New name for cooker (Aur?lien GOLL)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Re: New name for cooker (Joel Simoes)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Re: New name for cooker (alexandre lucazeau)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Re: New name for cooker (Remy CLOUARD)
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. Re: New name for cooker (SinnerBOFH)
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Re: New name for cooker (Redy Rodr?guez)
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. Re: New name for cooker (Jure Repinc)
+</I>&gt;<i> 8. Re: New name for cooker (Sinner from the Prairy)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:46:50 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Aur?lien GOLL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">aurelien.goll at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;AANLkTi=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">L63n32xBChWgaJBK1gnj1jq1iXD7tM6AE_Q1n at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 2
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:51:38 +0200 (CEST)
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Joel Simoes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">joel.simoes at lezard-visuel.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">623039508.1210.1285069898248.JavaMail.root at zimbra</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LEZARD VISUEL
+</I>&gt;<i> SIMOES Jo?l - Directeur associ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> www : <A HREF="http://www.lezard-visuel.com">http://www.lezard-visuel.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> e-mail : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">joel.simoes at lezard-visuel.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> tel : +33 (0) 9 8008 4930
+</I>&gt;<i> fax : +33 (0) 9 8008 4931
+</I>&gt;<i> mob : +33 (0) 6 6206 7462
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Mail original -----
+</I>&gt;<i> De: &quot;Aur?lien GOLL&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">aurelien.goll at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> ?: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy?: Mardi 21 Septembre 2010 13:46:50
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron +1
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 3
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 13:57:53 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: alexandre lucazeau &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mornik at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">AANLkTinrcuJL57os7ufiB+7NiUE9cU+LjHemB64UpRuk at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If cauldron is used by sourcemage, i suggest : wok
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's simple, easy to use, and all people use a wok for multiple cooking,
+</I>&gt;<i> not
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 4
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:05:24 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Remy CLOUARD &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">20100921120524.GA25464 at shikamaru.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier Thauvin skrev 21.9.2010 10:41:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. brewery
+</I>&gt;<i> As a beer fan I like this one quite a lot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I?m thinking of puns we could make with it like :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Have you tasted the last brew ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Have you tested the last brew ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also the name reminds me of homebrew, which insists on the community
+</I>&gt;<i> side of things,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just my 2 cents,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> R?my CLOUARD
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 5
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:06:41 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> From: SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">581481C6-2BB3-400A-9B47-77E971417A9B at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:00 AM, Miguel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cullero at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My vote for &quot;cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; motitos
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My vote too for Cauldron
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> P. S. : nice seeing you here motitos :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 6
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:12:15 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Redy Rodr?guez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">redy.rodriguez at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">AANLkTikSypsveiDgNhG1cS1UDDvLqV-CrNfSnG2Cv+ab at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I really like the name &quot;cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Saludos de Redy: Linuxita por sistema y GNUdista por naturaleza.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [ parolas.thebbs.org 100% Linux native ]
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+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 7
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:09:48 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Jure Repinc &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jlp at holodeck1.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">201009211409.49232.jlp at holodeck1.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tuesday 21 of September 2010 09:41:30 Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool, that was the first idea that came to my mind when reading the
+</I>&gt;<i> subject.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, cauldron++
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Have a great time,
+</I>&gt;<i> Jure &quot;JLP&quot; Repinc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Nokia Certified Qt Developer
+</I>&gt;<i> Contributor to:
+</I>&gt;<i> Thousand Parsec - <A HREF="http://www.thousandparsec.net/">http://www.thousandparsec.net/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> KDE - <A HREF="http://www.kde.org/">http://www.kde.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My Blog: <A HREF="http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/">http://jlp.holodeck1.com/blog/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 8
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 08:33:14 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">AANLkTim8sTkdcqZndFq62ijWwOJmi-FwgzBux_fk5yAb at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:15 AM, gejo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gejobj at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think cauldron is great but too large. What do you think about 'pot'?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'Mageia Pot' sound good too, isn't it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bye.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the USA, &quot;Pot&quot; is widely used with the meaning of (illegal) &quot;drugs&quot; .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner from the Prairy - <A HREF="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</A> -
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+ <B>Thomas Backlund</B>
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+<PRE>Sinner from the Prairy skrev 21.9.2010 16:00:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> openSUSE is offering Mageia a build system where we can start building
+</I>&gt;<i> (at least) some part of the distro:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes,
+we are aware of the OBS and are considering it as an alternative...
+
+But as it's not an &quot;exact fit&quot; / simple switch we need to evaluate if it
+fits our needs...
+
+More on this later...
+
+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad</B>
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+<PRE> Le 21/09/2010 15:00, Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> openSUSE is offering Mageia a build system where we can start building
+</I>&gt;<i> (at least) some part of the distro:
+</I>Wy not ?
+After Suse and Mandriva // ?
+
+It's a good idea for me.
+
+--
+Amicalement vOOotre Troumad Alias Bernard SIAUD
+mon site : <A HREF="http://troumad.org">http://troumad.org</A> : AD&amp;D maths WEB...
+Pour la libert&#233; <A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/f17/systemes/linux/</A>
+N'envoyez que des documents avec des formats ouverts, comme
+<A HREF="http://fr.openoffice.org">http://fr.openoffice.org</A>
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>Don't know why, but the thread is splitted. It should be &quot;New name for
+cooker&quot;. Now, there're two threads for the same:
+
+* New name for cooker
+* Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+
+Please, keep writing in the original: &quot;New name for cooker&quot;.
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+Thanks.
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>Den 2010-09-21 13:57:53 skrev alexandre lucazeau:
+&gt;<i> If cauldron is used by sourcemage, i suggest : wok
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it's simple, easy to use, and all people use a wok for multiple cooking,
+</I>&gt;<i> not ?
+</I>
+Idont use it, but &quot;everybody&quot; knows what it is.
+And it is short. Two good points.
+But does sound a bit too much... joking?... IMHO.
+
+Other words having meaning like some place to assemble things:
+
+pan
+stove
+oven
+fire
+workshop (or just &quot;work&quot; or &quot;works&quot;?)
+
+Mageia works
+
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+&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> workshop (or just &quot;work&quot; or &quot;works&quot;?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia works
+</I>
+Wow! That's a good one: &quot;Works&quot;
+ - it tells what it is about (people at work, no nonsense!)
+ - it tells what it contains (the works of the workers)
+ - it is short enough (one syllable)
+ - it is easy to pronounce even for English speakers (all sides of the ponds)
+ - you can play with it:
+
+Success: It just works!
+Crash: It's works &lt;shrug&gt;
+
+My absolute favourite now!
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+&gt;<i> Le 21/09/2010 15:00, Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; openSUSE is offering Mageia a build system where we can start building
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a good idea for me.
+</I>
+I've had some discussions with OpenSuSE gyus at the FrOSCon in Bonn last
+month. We were talking about using OBS for the German mandriva community repo.
+OBS sounds like a good idea, but: They do only have the Mdv main repos
+included. Asked about it on the mailing list, one guy from Novell/OpenSuSE
+told me, they can't add contrib and non-free for legal reasons.
+As to the question, what legal reasons would exclude contrib he didn't answer
+any more. Fred Crozat toldhim, that there is no legal difference between main
+and contrib but he didn't answer.
+
+This should be kept in mind.
+
+Oliver
+
+--
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> - Mageia, the magic continues
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+ <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B>
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 15:49:27 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Don't know why, but the thread is splitted. It should be &quot;New name for
+</I>&gt;<i> cooker&quot;. Now, there're two threads for the same:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, keep writing in the original: &quot;New name for cooker&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>
+
+tavillo1980,
+
+This is because someone is receiving mailing list in &quot;digest&quot; chunks
+once a day, instead of all emails as they arrive. And they answered
+that digest. Nobody is trying to fork the thread,
+
+It is a &quot;feature&quot; of mailing lists.
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+
+--
+Sinner from the Prairy - <A HREF="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</A> -
+<A HREF="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</A>
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+just to spec. a little things.
+
+It's amazing to see all this help coming in. :-) As it's starting to
+bubble a bit, I would like we share the discussion about forums and
+hosting them, for the setup.
+
+We see two options at this time:
+ 1. hosting forums at forum.mageia.org (or st like that) and
+delegating management, animation;
+ 2. delegating forums per locale/country/whatever and having
+forum.mageia.org redirect to each.
+
+For the record, a mix of these two approaches happened at Mandriva;
+English and French main ones were hosted by the company and there were
+others delegated for each languages; that didn't prevent
+mandrivausers.org to exist, by the way. And, anyway, situation is a
+bit different here.
+
+Anyway, we will shortly (by this evening) open a temporary wiki space
+to start, for people to register where they want/can help, so we can
+focus groups. I suggest you all list your hosting along the locale,
+with your expected capacity to moderate/animate and we will then
+discuss how we do it.
+
+Note that, if we need to decide to have one official forum per locale
+because it's difficult to come to a mutual agreement, we will do it,
+of course. :-p
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
+
+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 15:02, Paul Willard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">paul at mcrides.co.nz</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Looked at ML integration before, but never had success .. then again I
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't look very hard :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 8 years of mandrake/mandriva support .. looking forward to a new era
+</I>&gt;<i> Had our birthday just two weeks ago .. seems like an appropriate time :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Rockin !!
+</I>&gt;<i> \m/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Paul Willard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -----Original Message-----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] On Behalf Of Tux99
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2010 12:59 a.m.
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Pierre Pmithrandir wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe mageia contributors don't feel to be involved in a forum now,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but at least a forum is something you choose to check or not email.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree that we urgently need a forum and we already have
+</I>&gt;<i> mandrivausers.org/mageiausers.org, that has been an independent Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> user forum for many years so it's all set up and already has experienced
+</I>&gt;<i> mods and the owner Paul has joined the Mageia project and offered his help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be great if Paul could set up a bi-directional mailing-list gateway
+</I>&gt;<i> on the mandrivausers.org/mageiausers.org forum so we could choose to
+</I>&gt;<i> read/respond to the ML via forum posts, but I don't know how easily that can
+</I>&gt;<i> be done (if at all).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <B>Graham Lauder</B>
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 15:36:17 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>This is by way of an introduction and putting my hand up
+I've been the MarCon (Marketing Contact) for New Zealand for OOo since about
+2005 and been around the OOo project since the early days.
+
+My original introduction to Linux was Mandrake 8.0 but became a little
+disenchanted with it around the 10.1 period and I moved to SuSE, however I've
+always been a fan of many of the features that made it unique.
+
+I have long wished for a true community driven, Desktop RPM distribution that
+is Simple End-User friendly. MCC set Mandrake/Mandriva apart for
+unsophisticated users and I think that forking at this point is great.
+
+Obviously my strength is in marketing and training and I'd like to get a
+Mageia marketing project of the ground right now, gather together some like
+minded marketing enthusiasts and take Mageia to a world of new users.
+
+A marketing project would be useful to the project at this juncture to create
+branding, formulate a strategic market plan, source graphic art and build
+community.
+
+If there is general agreement with this proposal, I would then like to request
+a marketing ML so we can keep the prattling about strategies and branding and
+logos and all that stuff off the devs list. I have server space available to
+set up a marketing Wiki and Art repository and for Docs as well if required.
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
+OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+
+INGOTs Assessor Trainer
+(International Grades in Open Technologies)
+www.theingots.org
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:32 AM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don't know why, but the thread is splitted. It should be &quot;New name for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cooker&quot;. Now, there're two threads for the same:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please, keep writing in the original: &quot;New name for cooker&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is because someone is receiving mailing list in &quot;digest&quot; chunks
+</I>&gt;<i> once a day, instead of all emails as they arrive. And they answered
+</I>&gt;<i> that digest. Nobody is trying to fork the thread,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a &quot;feature&quot; of mailing lists.
+</I>
+Yes, but it is a not a feature using digests and answering with a one
+liner, citing the complete thread underneath! While top posting seems
+to be a much used no-no in the lists anyway, as you may have noticed
+as well :(
+Especially in such crowded lists and threads we should use the proper
+way with mails, I may say (no top posting, no citing other than what
+you referring to, etc.). But I remember someone else writing that
+already in this list at the beginning...
+
+wobo.
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+ <B>Erwien Samantha Y</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Erwien Samantha Y
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">erwiensamantha at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I would suggest a word that always used by magician:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Abracadabra (it maybe to long but easy to remember and everybody
+</I>&gt;<i> familiar with it).
+</I>
+
+Taken from Wikipedia (<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abracadabra">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abracadabra</A>):
+
+Abracadabra is an incantation used as a magic word in conjuring tricks
+that historically was believed to have healing powers when inscribed
+on an amulet
+
+In the &quot;cooker&quot; world it can be &quot;developer/packager/tester/sysadmin or
+anyone who contribute to the mageia &quot;works&quot; that historically was
+believed to having &quot;masterpiece&quot; to be presented to the community ...
+
+regards,
+ErwienSamantha
+
+&gt;<i> 2. Alakazam
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Presto
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. &quot;Ta Da!&quot; (The simple one)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> ErwienSamantha
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20An%20introduction%20from%20a%20Marketing%20guy&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3Dcjbuh7HVMU8CDAgfFT00c7UByw8oNx0r82%3DKs%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> This is by way of an introduction and putting my hand up
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been the MarCon (Marketing Contact) for New Zealand for OOo since about
+</I>&gt;<i> 2005 and been around the OOo project since the early days.
+</I>
+(...)
+
+&gt;<i> I have long wished for a true community driven, Desktop &#160;RPM distribution that
+</I>&gt;<i> is Simple End-User friendly. &#160;MCC set Mandrake/Mandriva apart for
+</I>&gt;<i> unsophisticated users and I think that forking at this point is great.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> A marketing project would be useful to the project at this juncture to create
+</I>&gt;<i> branding, formulate a strategic market plan, source graphic art and build
+</I>&gt;<i> community.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Graham Lauder,
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+</I>&gt;<i> INGOTs Assessor Trainer
+</I>&gt;<i> (International Grades in Open Technologies)
+</I>&gt;<i> www.theingots.org
+</I>
+
+Graham,
+
+Welcome to Mageia! And greetings to Aotearoa !
+
+I for one would love to have a Marketing specialist in this project.
+
+This list has proven that we have a plethora of excellent artists in
+Mageia. Your expertise plus Mageia artists I believe will be great.
+
+Pretty soon there will be the announcement of Mageia wiki, where we
+all can join and expose where we can help. Please make sure you join!
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+--
+Sinner from the Prairy - <A HREF="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</A> -
+<A HREF="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</A>
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 09:36, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> This is by way of an introduction and putting my hand up
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been the MarCon (Marketing Contact) for New Zealand for OOo since about
+</I>&gt;<i> 2005 and been around the OOo project since the early days.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My original introduction to Linux was Mandrake 8.0 but became a little
+</I>&gt;<i> disenchanted with it around the 10.1 period and I moved to SuSE, however I've
+</I>&gt;<i> always been a fan of many of the features that made it unique.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have long wished for a true community driven, Desktop RPM distribution that
+</I>&gt;<i> is Simple End-User friendly. MCC set Mandrake/Mandriva apart for
+</I>&gt;<i> unsophisticated users and I think that forking at this point is great.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Obviously my strength is in marketing and training and I'd like to get a
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia marketing project of the ground right now, gather together some like
+</I>&gt;<i> minded marketing enthusiasts and take Mageia to a world of new users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A marketing project would be useful to the project at this juncture to create
+</I>&gt;<i> branding, formulate a strategic market plan, source graphic art and build
+</I>&gt;<i> community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there is general agreement with this proposal, I would then like to request
+</I>&gt;<i> a marketing ML so we can keep the prattling about strategies and branding and
+</I>&gt;<i> logos and all that stuff off the devs list. I have server space available to
+</I>&gt;<i> set up a marketing Wiki and Art repository and for Docs as well if required.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Graham:
+
+You should also join the developper's discussion list on gmane.
+
+mageia-dev:
+<A HREF="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</A>
+<A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</A>
+
+mageia-discuss:
+<A HREF="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</A>
+<A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</A>
+
+Here is a quote from Romain d'Alverny who left this message on that list
+re: when will job assignations be set.
+
+-----------------
+
+We're setting up a temp wiki to start listing people roles, a blog, a
+basic website and discussing for basic hosting services. We expect to
+post an update by this evening about all this + the org. statutes and
+registration and the following steps. Stay tuned.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
+
+-----------------
+
+People should take direction from this.
+
+Cheers
+
+Marc Par&#233;
+Canada
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.ca">http://www.mageia.ca</A>
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 16:08:32 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We see two options at this time:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;1. hosting forums at forum.mageia.org (or st like that) and
+</I>&gt;<i> delegating management, animation;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;2. delegating forums per locale/country/whatever and having
+</I>&gt;<i> forum.mageia.org redirect to each.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the record, a mix of these two approaches happened at Mandriva;
+</I>&gt;<i> English and French main ones were hosted by the company and there were
+</I>&gt;<i> others delegated for each languages;
+</I>
+I'd go for this one, The english forum.mageia.org being the reference
+/ main place internationally and also for all anglophone people.
+
+Localized forums either underneath forum.mageia.org or (via redirect)
+on their local websites, thus using already existing communities like
+BlogDrake, MandrivaUser.de (which will change to mageia.de), and
+others.
+
+The goal should be to give everybody a central place &quot;mageia.org&quot; from
+where he can go to &quot;his&quot; language but also stay at the central place,
+This can also apply for wiki and other documentation, news, etc. as
+long as the main contents is the same in all languages (plus local
+news, etc.)
+
+We should try to avoid having 2 different addresses for the same
+language because this will lead to confusion.
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+ <B>Dale Huckeby</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, John Keller wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Trying for simple names that don't have too many English spelling
+</I>&gt;<i> oddities...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * mixer
+</I>&gt;<i> * blender
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+</I>
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Re%20%3A%20Mageia-discuss%20Digest%2C%20Vol%201%2C%20Issue%2058&In-Reply-To=%3Ci7aeh2%24fuk%241%40dough.gmane.org%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58">marc at marcpare.com
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 16:12:49 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i> This is because someone is receiving mailing list in &quot;digest&quot; chunks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> once a day, instead of all emails as they arrive. And they answered
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that digest. Nobody is trying to fork the thread,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It is a &quot;feature&quot; of mailing lists.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, but it is a not a feature using digests and answering with a one
+</I>&gt;<i> liner, citing the complete thread underneath! While top posting seems
+</I>&gt;<i> to be a much used no-no in the lists anyway, as you may have noticed
+</I>&gt;<i> as well :(
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially in such crowded lists and threads we should use the proper
+</I>&gt;<i> way with mails, I may say (no top posting, no citing other than what
+</I>&gt;<i> you referring to, etc.). But I remember someone else writing that
+</I>&gt;<i> already in this list at the beginning...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo.
+</I>
+As with most mailing lists/discussion groups, the message re: bottom/top
+posting and citing only what is being answered and not all the message,
+should be repeated on a regular basis to users. There is a constant flux
+of people appearing on the list and some are new to this process. Some
+users are not first-language English speakers as well and may have a
+problem interpreting these directions.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Re%20%3A%20Mageia-discuss%20Digest%2C%20Vol%201%2C%20Issue%2058&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTinmqQK-X_eXMo_XoNj4OSvumY2eNgY8UkOF54Po%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 16:15:08 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> As with most mailing lists/discussion groups, the message re: bottom/top
+</I>&gt;<i> posting and citing only what is being answered and not all the message,
+</I>&gt;<i> should be repeated on a regular basis to users. There is a constant flux of
+</I>&gt;<i> people appearing on the list and some are new to this process. Some users
+</I>&gt;<i> are not first-language English speakers as well and may have a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> interpreting these directions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+What about a &quot;Welcome&quot; message with some Netiquette rules?
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+--
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+<A HREF="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</A>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 10:08, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We see two options at this time:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. hosting forums at forum.mageia.org (or st like that) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> delegating management, animation;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. delegating forums per locale/country/whatever and having
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forum.mageia.org redirect to each.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the record, a mix of these two approaches happened at Mandriva;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> English and French main ones were hosted by the company and there were
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> others delegated for each languages;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd go for this one, The english forum.mageia.org being the reference
+</I>&gt;<i> / main place internationally and also for all anglophone people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Localized forums either underneath forum.mageia.org or (via redirect)
+</I>&gt;<i> on their local websites, thus using already existing communities like
+</I>&gt;<i> BlogDrake, MandrivaUser.de (which will change to mageia.de), and
+</I>&gt;<i> others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The goal should be to give everybody a central place &quot;mageia.org&quot; from
+</I>&gt;<i> where he can go to &quot;his&quot; language but also stay at the central place,
+</I>&gt;<i> This can also apply for wiki and other documentation, news, etc. as
+</I>&gt;<i> long as the main contents is the same in all languages (plus local
+</I>&gt;<i> news, etc.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should try to avoid having 2 different addresses for the same
+</I>&gt;<i> language because this will lead to confusion.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+I would second Wolfgang's suggestion too and add that some kind of close
+relationship be established with the localized forums so that any
+threads that may prove important to a localized group be passed on to
+the main english forum. This would ensure a reporting structure that
+would reflect the needs and wishes of all Mageia users.
+
+Maybe this could be accomplished this way:
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+-- monthly report of localized thread headlines (translated to English)
+could be posted on the main forum for Mageia infrastructure people to
+read and comment.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 03:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+Looking for ideas of names through the mailist/discussion list is good
+for suggestions. But I find the messages, after a certain point, become
+numerous and inefficient and keeping track of votes for the name picks
+difficult. Hopefully, there will be a more efficient way of keeping
+track of votes sometime soon? That is, if we have a meaningful voice in
+voting for the name.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 10:15, Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As with most mailing lists/discussion groups, the message re: bottom/top
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> posting and citing only what is being answered and not all the message,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be repeated on a regular basis to users. There is a constant flux of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people appearing on the list and some are new to this process. Some users
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are not first-language English speakers as well and may have a problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interpreting these directions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about a &quot;Welcome&quot; message with some Netiquette rules?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>
+This is a must for any mailist/discussion group. This will establish the
+Mageia convention in its use of mailist/discussion behaviour. It would
+also be a good reference point for new users.
+
+However, I track 20-30 mailist for one of my websites, and ALL of these
+list constantly bemoan the fact that people tend to &quot;break&quot; the rules.
+It is just human nature at work. The rules just need to be repeated
+every so often to put the discussion partners back on track. It is just
+to be expected.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I vote for 'mixer', easy to remember, easy to pronounce, easy to write.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, &quot;mixer&quot; like in alsamixer ?
+</I>
+Well, more like &quot;mixer&quot; as in the kitchen appliance. But I'm definitely
+aware of &quot;mixer&quot; as in &quot;concrete mixer&quot;, &quot;audio mixing board&quot; (predating
+alsamixer by decades ;-) ), etc.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron is too hard to promounce
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You kidding? It is English, it has only 2 syllables, what is the
+</I>&gt;<i> difficulty there?
+</I>&gt;<i> You know how to pronounce &quot;Paul&quot;? Now replace the &quot;P&quot; with a &quot;C&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> add &quot;dron&quot; which is pronounced it as it is spelled.
+</I>
+I think it's important to remember users in non-Latin languages. I
+almost sent my message with a note about the &quot;aul&quot; sound maybe
+complicating things (&quot;cowdrun?&quot; &quot;no, CAAAULLL-dron&quot; &quot;oh, of course,
+calldrone!&quot;). But nonetheless, I like it.
+
+&gt;<i> I wonder what is the difference between cooker and cauldron,
+</I>&gt;<i> pronociation-wise I mean.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C'mon, we are all not illiterate monkeys.
+</I>
+I'm sure you're excited about this launch, but I think that's an
+inflammatory statement. You don't have to be illiterate or a monkey to
+have problems with language, just inexperienced in foreign languages
+and/or English.
+
+And as a native English speaker, I can attest to the fact that yes, in
+the technical world, people tend to have, er, interesting ideas about
+spelling - whether it's intentional or not. And while the international
+technical language may be English, names bring along with them a lot of
+cultural and orthographic baggage.
+
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I found that Argentinean domains:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * mageia.net.ar
+</I>&gt;<i> * mageia.org.ar
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> were available.
+</I>
+Well... I couldn't register these domains:
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+.net.ar is reserved for ISPs
+.org.ar for non profit organizations
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+I'm not ISP not non-profit org. So, both domains are still available.
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+Sorry :(
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+ <B>Ma&#226;t</B>
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+<PRE>Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+Perhaps something very simple can fit :
+
+As many magic potions use roots as base ingredients mixed with many
+ph34rsome others we could just use &quot;root&quot; or &quot;root&quot; :)
+
+The magic part with that would be obvious :)
+
+This would also be an allusion to linux superadmin account name
+
+But also &quot;root&quot; would be the base on which several stable branches
+rely... a nourishing base like roots bring sap to branches in trees...
+so also a symbol of life and vigour...
+
+(Tree symbology is also very important in white magic)
+
+This is short... i hope this is not and insult in the 6000 known
+languages in the universe and while this is used in every Unix, BSD and
+Linuxes i think nobody use it as a name yet...
+
+How about that ?
+
+Ma&#226;t
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd go for this one, The english forum.mageia.org being the reference
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> / main place internationally and also for all anglophone people.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Localized forums either underneath forum.mageia.org or (via redirect)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on their local websites, thus using already existing communities like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BlogDrake, MandrivaUser.de (which will change to mageia.de), and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> others.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The goal should be to give everybody a central place &quot;mageia.org&quot; from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where he can go to &quot;his&quot; language but also stay at the central place,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This can also apply for wiki and other documentation, news, etc. as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> long as the main contents is the same in all languages (plus local
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> news, etc.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We should try to avoid having 2 different addresses for the same
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> language because this will lead to confusion.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would second Wolfgang's suggestion too and add that some kind of close
+</I>&gt;<i> relationship be established with the localized forums so that any
+</I>&gt;<i> threads that may prove important to a localized group be passed on to
+</I>&gt;<i> the main english forum. This would ensure a reporting structure that
+</I>&gt;<i> would reflect the needs and wishes of all Mageia users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe this could be accomplished this way:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- monthly report of localized thread headlines (translated to English)
+</I>&gt;<i> could be posted on the main forum for Mageia infrastructure people to
+</I>&gt;<i> read and comment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+Le 2010-09-21 10:32, Pierre Pmithrandir a &#233;crit :
+ &gt; Why not using one big forum with one section by language ?
+ &gt;
+ &gt; I don't think they are going to have tons of subsections right now.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; But even with that, it's something we can manage I think with group.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; When you register, you set up the language you want access to.
+ &gt; Automatically you subscribe to a group for each language and that
+give you access to all the section dedicated to your language.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Can't be possible ?
+ &gt; Pierre
+
+I think the word that we have heard over and over, from users, is that
+the localized groups would rather have their own forums setup. Wolfgang
+suggested that there would be a link, presumably in the forums section,
+that would re-direct people to their localized forums.
+
+In a perfect setup, the Mageia forums would have a localized section on
+their own main forum board and manage the localized sections themselves.
+But it doesn't sound like people want this. It sounds like people would
+rather go to a localization.mageia.org (or mageia.org/localization) site
+where all services are rendered in their language. It may, in fact, be
+easier to manage things this way. The mageia.org main site would
+essentially be the hub (in English) where the flow of localized
+(language) were coordinated through localized.mageia.org sites
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+Or am I hearing things wrong?
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>IMHO you should use some kind of &quot;method&quot; to pick de name:
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+* Open a thread in ML with starting date and end-date where everybody
+can drop their proposal: rule must be the e-mail must contain &quot;only&quot;
+the proposed name and (optional) a small explanation (not more than
+two lines) or a link to the explanation.
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+* After the end-date, open a poll in the Mageia website with all the
+proposed names. Again, the poll must have an end-date. After that, you
+have the name for the developmen version.
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+Cheers!
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+<PRE>Le 21/09/2010 16:53, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps something very simple can fit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As many magic potions use roots as base ingredients mixed with many
+</I>&gt;<i> ph34rsome others we could just use &quot;root&quot; or &quot;root&quot; :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&quot;root&quot; or &quot;roots&quot; (sorry :-/)
+
+&gt;<i> The magic part with that would be obvious :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This would also be an allusion to linux superadmin account name
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But also &quot;root&quot; would be the base on which several stable branches
+</I>&gt;<i> rely... a nourishing base like roots bring sap to branches in trees...
+</I>&gt;<i> so also a symbol of life and vigour...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Tree symbology is also very important in white magic)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is short... i hope this is not and insult in the 6000 known
+</I>&gt;<i> languages in the universe and while this is used in every Unix, BSD and
+</I>&gt;<i> Linuxes i think nobody use it as a name yet...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How about that ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Sergio Fernandez</B>
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+<PRE> I agrre with Tavillo. The best way to take new decissions is surely
+making first an organizated placed where que can do it.
+ In fact, while this occurs, the mailing list is a good place for
+discussing friendly.
+
+ --
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+ Webmaster - Admin
+ PROYECTOPQMC.COM [1] - Chorradas y frikismo a cascoporro
+ ARCARDES.COM [2] - Opine sobre la labor del alcalde o alcaldesa de
+su municipio.
+
+ On Tue 21/09/10 16:55, &quot;Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli&quot;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A> wrote:
+ IMHO you should use some kind of &quot;method&quot; to pick de name:
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+ * Open a thread in ML with starting date and end-date where
+everybody
+ can drop their proposal: rule must be the e-mail must contain &quot;only&quot;
+
+ the proposed name and (optional) a small explanation (not more than
+ two lines) or a link to the explanation.
+
+ * After the end-date, open a poll in the Mageia website with all the
+
+ proposed names. Again, the poll must have an end-date. After that,
+you
+ have the name for the developmen version.
+
+ Cheers!
+
+ tavillo1980
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+ <B>Frank Loewe</B>
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+<PRE>mageia.ar.com is free
+
+My registrar does not offer the other ones.
+
+Von meinem iPad gesendet
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+Am 21.09.2010 um 16:48 schrieb &quot;Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I found that Argentinean domains:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * mageia.net.ar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * mageia.org.ar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> were available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well... I couldn't register these domains:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> .net.ar is reserved for ISPs
+</I>&gt;<i> .org.ar for non profit organizations
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not ISP not non-profit org. So, both domains are still available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>--
+Mit freundlichem Gru?
+Frank Loewe
+Gesch?ftsf?hrer
+
+dotcom-service Ltd. &amp; Co. KG.
+Robertstr.6
+42107 Wuppertal
+Tel.: +49 202 430429-01
+Fax.: +49 202 430429-10
+HRA21922, Amtsgericht Wuppertal
+Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Frank Loewe, Melanie Castellaz
+Pers. haftende Gesellschafterin:
+dotcom-service Ltd, 2 OLD BROMPTON ROAD, SUITE 276,LONDON SW7 3DQ, Company No. 05452606
+Niederlassung Deutschland, Robertstr.6, 42107 Wuppertal
+
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 21 September 2010 17:55, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> IMHO you should use some kind of &quot;method&quot; to pick de name:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Open a thread in ML with starting date and end-date where everybody
+</I>&gt;<i> can drop their proposal: rule must be the e-mail must contain &quot;only&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> the proposed name and (optional) a small explanation (not more than
+</I>&gt;<i> two lines) or a link to the explanation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * After the end-date, open a poll in the Mageia website with all the
+</I>&gt;<i> proposed names. Again, the poll must have an end-date. After that, you
+</I>&gt;<i> have the name for the developmen version.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>
+AFAIK, a poll is planned (IINM, this thread is more about gathering
+ideas, general consensus). :)
+
+&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> mageia.ar.com is free
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My registrar does not offer the other ones.
+</I>
+I know. But someone already registered mageia.com.ar
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+I don't know who. I just hope that someone with goodwill.
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+&gt;<i> I'm sure you're excited about this launch, but I think that's an
+</I>&gt;<i> inflammatory statement. You don't have to be illiterate or a monkey to
+</I>&gt;<i> have problems with language, just inexperienced in foreign languages
+</I>&gt;<i> and/or English.
+</I>
+Hmm, you are right but the complaint about prononciation came from an
+English speaker, not from somebody of a different language and/or
+cultural background, so I reacted to his words.
+
+&gt;<i> And as a native English speaker, I can attest to the fact that yes, in
+</I>&gt;<i> the technical world, people tend to have, er, interesting ideas about
+</I>&gt;<i> spelling - whether it's intentional or not. And while the international
+</I>&gt;<i> technical language may be English, names bring along with them a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> cultural and orthographic baggage.
+</I>
+Yes, I remember a discussion about proper spelling while proofreading
+an english text, where the proofreader (a college professor for
+literature) reminded me that non-native english speakers often have a
+better knowledge about english grammar and/or spelling than native
+speakers. I see the same with non-native German speakers compared with
+native german speakers.
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+But I thought cauldron to be a known english expression and wondered
+why it was said to be too complicated to pronounce.
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+If I was too offending, pls accept my apology.
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+ <B>Yves-Gael Cheny</B>
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+ <B>Miguel</B>
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+ <I>Tue Sep 21 17:21:46 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>I think that your help will be crutial. Let's be honest: Mandriva
+never got real success because of the lack of a serious marketing
+strategy. Also, why Ubuntu is so popular? Because they have a clear
+marketing strategy.
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+So, your ideas will be very necessary.
+
+Cheers,
+motitos
+
+&gt;<i> Obviously my strength is in marketing and training and I'd like to get a
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia &#160;marketing project of the ground right now, gather together some like
+</I>&gt;<i> minded marketing enthusiasts and take Mageia to a world of new users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A marketing project would be useful to the project at this juncture to create
+</I>&gt;<i> branding, formulate a strategic market plan, source graphic art and build
+</I>&gt;<i> community.
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+ <B>Tux99</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, you are right but the complaint about prononciation came from an
+</I>&gt;<i> English speaker, not from somebody of a different language and/or
+</I>&gt;<i> cultural background, so I reacted to his words.
+</I>
+Where did you get that from? English is my third languange.
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+Besides that, I wasn't talking for myself but I was making a general
+point that 'Cauldron' is likely not the easiest word to
+pronounce/remember/spell correctly for may people from a global point
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 John Keller &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at johnkeller.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm sure you're excited about this launch, but I think that's an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inflammatory statement. You don't have to be illiterate or a monkey to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have problems with language, just inexperienced in foreign languages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and/or English.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, you are right but the complaint about prononciation came from an
+</I>&gt;<i> English speaker, not from somebody of a different language and/or
+</I>&gt;<i> cultural background, so I reacted to his words.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And as a native English speaker, I can attest to the fact that yes, in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the technical world, people tend to have, er, interesting ideas about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> spelling - whether it's intentional or not. And while the international
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> technical language may be English, names bring along with them a lot of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cultural and orthographic baggage.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I remember a discussion about proper spelling while proofreading
+</I>&gt;<i> an english text, where the proofreader (a college professor for
+</I>&gt;<i> literature) reminded me that non-native english speakers often have a
+</I>&gt;<i> better knowledge about english grammar and/or spelling than native
+</I>&gt;<i> speakers. I see the same with non-native German speakers compared with
+</I>&gt;<i> native german speakers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I thought cauldron to be a known english expression and wondered
+</I>&gt;<i> why it was said to be too complicated to pronounce.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I was too offending, pls accept my apology.
+</I>
+No need to apologize to me, I just wanted to point out that the language
+isn't exactly, er, diplomatic...
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+Cauldron is certainly a word you'd have encountered if you like fantasy,
+fairy tales, or maybe some history. And I think you'll find a big
+overlap between the technical community and fans of one of those. But
+not everyone is a well-rounded English native speaker (and sadly, not
+every English native speaker is well-rounded either).
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+And while I don't know you personally, I'm very familiar with your work
+and presence in Mandriva over these past years that I've used Mandriva
+and been on the cooker list. I'd definitely rank your English as
+top-notch. I definitely agree that non-native speakers/writers who apply
+themselves have a better grip of the finer points of a language than
+native speakers.
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+As for non-natives who don't want to learn the basics, we just have to
+be tolerant. Just as we were of branding such as &quot;Manbo Labs&quot;. ;-)
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, you are right but the complaint about prononciation came from an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> English speaker, not from somebody of a different language and/or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cultural background, so I reacted to his words.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where did you get that from? English is my third languange.
+</I> oh, I thought you could speak and write English?
+You mean you are not a native English speaker? Same with me as you know.
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+&gt;<i> 'Mixer' is surely easier from this point of view.
+</I>
+Yes, but, well, it does not ring a bell or anything.
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+Anyhow, my favorite is &quot;Works&quot; now.
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+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> In a perfect setup, the Mageia forums would have a localized section on
+</I>&gt;<i> their own main forum board and manage the localized sections themselves. But
+</I>&gt;<i> it doesn't sound like people want this. It sounds like people would rather
+</I>&gt;<i> go to a localization.mageia.org (or mageia.org/localization) site where all
+</I>&gt;<i> services are rendered in their language. It may, in fact, be easier to
+</I>&gt;<i> manage things this way. The mageia.org main site would essentially be the
+</I>&gt;<i> hub (in English) where the flow of localized (language) were coordinated
+</I>&gt;<i> through localized.mageia.org sites
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or am I hearing things wrong?
+</I>
+No, I guess you are hearing it right. Good idea as well for the
+monthly (or ad hoc) reporting principle, could be interesting and
+useful that way.
+
+I guess then we'll go for the mixed approach. Anyway, let's wait for
+the temp wiki setup and we'll dig through this.
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+ <B>Sergio Fernandez</B>
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+<PRE> Certainly, &quot;Works&quot; sounds like a ring bell. It works! (ting!).
+
+ But perhaps is a little... non descriptive.
+
+ I've heard in this thread one that I love so much: Blender.
+ Inspires dinamism, hard work, efficiency... Blender.
+
+ Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from
+Futurama).
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+ On Tue 21/09/10 17:27, &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>
+wrote:
+ 2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+ &gt; On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt; Hmm, you are right but the complaint about prononciation came
+from an
+ &gt;&gt; English speaker, not from somebody of a different language and/or
+
+ &gt;&gt; cultural background, so I reacted to his words.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Where did you get that from? English is my third languange.
+ oh, I thought you could speak and write English?
+ You mean you are not a native English speaker? Same with me as you
+know.
+
+ &gt; 'Mixer' is surely easier from this point of view.
+
+ Yes, but, well, it does not ring a bell or anything.
+
+ Anyhow, my favorite is &quot;Works&quot; now.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin skrev 21.9.2010 10:41:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. brewery
+</I>&gt;<i> As a beer fan I like this one quite a lot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I&#8217;m thinking of puns we could make with it like :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Have you tasted the last brew ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Have you tested the last brew ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also the name reminds me of homebrew, which insists on the community
+</I>&gt;<i> side of things,
+</I>
+I agree, &quot;brewery&quot; or &quot;brew&quot; is a nice one!
+
+- John
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+By the way the &quot;common&quot; authentication for all sevrices that we had in mandriva was really great...
+If we could use thee same for all forums you are going to create...
+
+Pierre
+&gt;<i> Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 17:29:38 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 16:55, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In a perfect setup, the Mageia forums would have a localized section on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their own main forum board and manage the localized sections themselves. But
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it doesn't sound like people want this. It sounds like people would rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; go to a localization.mageia.org (or mageia.org/localization) site where all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; services are rendered in their language. It may, in fact, be easier to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; manage things this way. The mageia.org main site would essentially be the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hub (in English) where the flow of localized (language) were coordinated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; through localized.mageia.org sites
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Or am I hearing things wrong?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I guess you are hearing it right. Good idea as well for the
+</I>&gt;<i> monthly (or ad hoc) reporting principle, could be interesting and
+</I>&gt;<i> useful that way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess then we'll go for the mixed approach. Anyway, let's wait for
+</I>&gt;<i> the temp wiki setup and we'll dig through this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain.
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+Yes brew is fun :)
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+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, John Keller wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 09/21/2010 02:05 PM, Remy CLOUARD wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:45:36AM +0300, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin skrev 21.9.2010 10:41:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. brewery
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a beer fan I like this one quite a lot.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I&#8217;m thinking of puns we could make with it like :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Have you tasted the last brew ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Have you tested the last brew ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also the name reminds me of homebrew, which insists on the community
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> side of things,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree, &quot;brewery&quot; or &quot;brew&quot; is a nice one!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - John
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>On 09/21/2010 03:41 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> workshop (or just &quot;work&quot; or &quot;works&quot;?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia works
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wow! That's a good one: &quot;Works&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> - it tells what it is about (people at work, no nonsense!)
+</I>&gt;<i> - it tells what it contains (the works of the workers)
+</I>&gt;<i> - it is short enough (one syllable)
+</I>&gt;<i> - it is easy to pronounce even for English speakers (all sides of the ponds)
+</I>&gt;<i> - you can play with it:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Success: It just works!
+</I>&gt;<i> Crash: It's works &lt;shrug&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My absolute favourite now!
+</I>
+I like it too. Or &quot;fireworks&quot; if we want to evoke the comments on the
+list that follow a group of packages that don't get updated all at once
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+</I>&gt;<i> By the way the &quot;common&quot; authentication for all sevrices that we had in
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva was really great...
+</I>&gt;<i> If we could use thee same for all forums you are going to create...
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from
+</I>&gt;<i> Futurama).
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+Because the robot is &quot;Bender&quot; without the &quot;L&quot;
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+</I>&gt;<i> I agree, &quot;brewery&quot; or &quot;brew&quot; is a nice one!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> Now may I show the &quot;too complicated for different languages and
+cultures&quot; card? It may even be offending for religious people whose
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+
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 16:55, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In a perfect setup, the Mageia forums would have a localized section on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their own main forum board and manage the localized sections themselves.
+</I>&gt;<i> But
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it doesn't sound like people want this. It sounds like people would
+</I>&gt;<i> rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; go to a localization.mageia.org (or mageia.org/localization) site where
+</I>&gt;<i> all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; services are rendered in their language. It may, in fact, be easier to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; manage things this way. The mageia.org main site would essentially be
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hub (in English) where the flow of localized (language) were coordinated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; through localized.mageia.org sites
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Or am I hearing things wrong?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I guess you are hearing it right. Good idea as well for the
+</I>&gt;<i> monthly (or ad hoc) reporting principle, could be interesting and
+</I>&gt;<i> useful that way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess then we'll go for the mixed approach. Anyway, let's wait for
+</I>&gt;<i> the temp wiki setup and we'll dig through this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?
+
+I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized
+communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and
+turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess,
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pmithrandir at hotmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way the &quot;common&quot; authentication for all sevrices that we had in
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva was really great...
+</I>&gt;<i> If we could use thee same for all forums you are going to create...
+</I>
+Yes, that's a must, but it will gradually appear if we want to
+bootstrap quickly.
+
+Webapps and system apps (build system) do not have the same
+requirements and we should find a common ground. I guess some
+distributed auth system (OpenID, OAuth) + local credentials could be
+nice to investigate, but we will most likely start with a single
+central directory + web services.
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+Plus it will require clean trust &amp; service level agreements between parties. :-)
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+<PRE>On 09/21/2010 02:49 PM, Paul De Vlieger wrote:
+&gt;<i> Why not 'foundry' ?
+</I>
+I like that, and I think someone else proposed it too. Of course,
+there's also &quot;SourceForge&quot; which borders on the same name (forge as a
+noun being a synonym for foundry).
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+But &quot;foundry&quot; very nice and makes me thinks of the sparks flying as
+liquid metal us being worked.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Futurama).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because the robot is &quot;Bender&quot; without the &quot;L&quot;
+</I>
+Oh, really? I thought it was &quot;Benda&quot; because they always pronounce it
+like that, not with &quot;er&quot; at the end like &quot;fender-bender&quot; :)
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+theme!
+
+ :)
+ --
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+ On Tue 21/09/10 17:46, Wolfgang Bornath <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>
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+ 2010/9/21 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A> [3]&gt;:
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+ &gt;&gt; Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot
+from
+ &gt;&gt; Futurama).
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Because the robot is &quot;Bender&quot; without the &quot;L&quot;
+
+ Oh, really? I thought it was &quot;Benda&quot; because they always pronounce
+it
+ like that, not with &quot;er&quot; at the end like &quot;fender-bender&quot; :)
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Futurama).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because the robot is &quot;Bender&quot; without the &quot;L&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, really? I thought it was &quot;Benda&quot; because they always pronounce it
+</I>&gt;<i> like that, not with &quot;er&quot; at the end like &quot;fender-bender&quot; :)
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+[O.T] In fact, Bender's real name is Bender Rodriguez.
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+<PRE>On 09/21/2010 05:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 John Keller &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at johnkeller.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree, &quot;brewery&quot; or &quot;brew&quot; is a nice one!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now may I show the &quot;too complicated for different languages and
+</I>&gt;<i> cultures&quot; card? It may even be offending for religious people whose
+</I>&gt;<i> religion forbids alcohol.
+</I>
+Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Well, still nice if you like beer.
+
+On the other hand (ah ha!), &quot;brew&quot; doesn't have to be alcohol-related,
+since it can refer to a cooking process or a witch's brew. (Back to
+cauldron...) Or, &quot;what's brewing?&quot;
+
+Also, I've already seen one comment on DistroWatch from an Islamic user
+saying that he wasn't going to be able to use Mageia because of the
+Quran's views on magic. I'm not sure if he was serious or not, but
+certainly someone would be about that. I'm not suggesting we dig the
+hole any deeper, but at least if there's going to be a deal-breaker with
+strictly religious users, it probably won't be the name of the dev branch.
+
+&gt;<i> Sorry, this isn't meant as a reprise, it's just coincidence.
+</I>
+No worries, wobo - what's good for the goose is good for the gander. ;-)
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I vote for Blender. (not confusing with the vicious robot from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Futurama).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because the robot is &quot;Bender&quot; without the &quot;L&quot;
+</I>
+Oh, really? I thought it was &quot;Benda&quot; because they always pronounce it
+like that, not with &quot;er&quot; at the end like &quot;fender-bender&quot; :)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Oh, really? I thought it was &quot;Benda&quot; because they always pronounce it
+</I>&gt;<i> like that, not with &quot;er&quot; at the end like &quot;fender-bender&quot; :)
+</I>
+Benda: Maybe they're british XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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+<PRE>On 09/21/2010 09:41 AM, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>
+Ooh, I have one!
+
+&quot;bikeshed&quot;
+
+(just kidding :-D)
+
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 17:39, Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pmithrandir at hotmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By the way the &quot;common&quot; authentication for all sevrices that we had in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva was really great...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we could use thee same for all forums you are going to create...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that's a must, but it will gradually appear if we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> bootstrap quickly.
+</I>
+As much as I liked the common authentification at Mandriva, this may
+produce a problem for cases where a localized forum is an already
+existing community like Blogdrake or MandrivaUser.de with many
+registered users. Then localized forums may hard to configure to use
+the central authentification at mageia.org. Same with apps like wikis
+and image galleries.
+
+So maybe this common authentification may only be possible within the
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>* Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
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+Thanks you for your suggestions.
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+I think it's time to close the thread (it is long enough).
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+to a poll to make last choice.
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+Regards.
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's time to close the thread (it is long enough).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll review all submissions soon, post here a summary and if need a link
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+Good move, appreciated.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's time to close the thread (it is long enough).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll review all submissions soon, post here a summary and if need a link
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+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's time to close the thread (it is long enough).
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> It's rather well explained on wikipedia :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia</A>
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What about &quot;Tea Party&quot;?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Let's keep US politics out of Mageia.
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+&gt;<i> I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>
+ OK - I now see it all described on Wikipedia, but the
+notes on *pronunciation* there do not agree with that given by:
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+ <A HREF="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095</A>
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+(which gives &quot;mah-GAY-ah&quot;)
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+Perhaps there should be an agreed pronunciation (to avoid the problem
+some people have with &quot;Linux&quot;!)
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized
+</I>&gt;<i> communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and
+</I>&gt;<i> turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess,
+</I>&gt;<i> transparency and openess of the representative's discursons are guaranteed.
+</I>
+
+Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I'd like to suggest
+to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.
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+On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed
+and partecipate we don't need multi-level hierarchical structures with
+so called local community representatives that have special rights or
+influence.
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+As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some
+local community representatives don't necessarily match at all with the
+opinions of the members of their community.
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+So personally I don't see any point in local community representatives
+as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their
+communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant
+information and manage their local forums, events etc.
+
+Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there
+should be no delegations or representations as that's not necessary on
+the internet.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 11:11, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> mageia.ar.com is free
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My registrar does not offer the other ones.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know. But someone already registered mageia.com.ar
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know who. I just hope that someone with goodwill.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>
+You can go here: <A HREF="http://whois.domaintools.com">http://whois.domaintools.com</A> and put &quot;mageia.ar.com&quot; in
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+&gt;<i> I'll review all submissions soon, post here a summary and if need a link
+</I>&gt;<i> to a poll to make last choice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please allow multiple choices in the poll, that will help to select the
+true overall favourite, given that many people probably would have more
+than one suggested name they like.
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+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 21 september 2010 14:42:10 schreef Tux99:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I'd recommend to avoid the name &quot;Pot&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; What about &quot;Tea Party&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Let's keep US politics out of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't understand?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Tea_Party_movement">https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Tea_Party_movement</A>
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+Hacking on an Ipad within a driving ICE...
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+Von meinem iPad gesendet
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+Am 21.09.2010 um 18:12 schrieb &quot;Marc Par&#233;&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-21 11:11, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mageia.ar.com is free
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My registrar does not offer the other ones.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know. But someone already registered mageia.com.ar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know who. I just hope that someone with goodwill.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can go here: <A HREF="http://whois.domaintools.com">http://whois.domaintools.com</A> and put &quot;mageia.ar.com&quot; in
+</I>&gt;<i> the search window and it will tell you who registered the domain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 11:43, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 John Keller&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at johnkeller.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree, &quot;brewery&quot; or &quot;brew&quot; is a nice one!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now may I show the &quot;too complicated for different languages and
+</I>&gt;<i> cultures&quot; card? It may even be offending for religious people whose
+</I>&gt;<i> religion forbids alcohol.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, this isn't meant as a reprise, it's just coincidence.
+</I>
+Except in this case it would be more defined on the site as &quot;brew =
+concoction&quot; in its traditional meaning. Brewery however is meant as a
+physical building where beer is brewed.
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, you are right but the complaint about prononciation came from an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> English speaker, not from somebody of a different language and/or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cultural background, so I reacted to his words.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Where did you get that from? English is my third languange.
+</I>&gt;<i> oh, I thought you could speak and write English?
+</I>&gt;<i> You mean you are not a native English speaker? Same with me as you know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'Mixer' is surely easier from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, but, well, it does not ring a bell or anything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyhow, my favorite is &quot;Works&quot; now.
+</I>
+Do you really think that taking the name of a Microsoft product is wise?
+
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like
+</I>&gt;<i> localized
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton,
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme
+</I>&gt;<i> sucess,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; transparency and openess of the representative's discursons are
+</I>&gt;<i> guaranteed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I'd like to suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed
+</I>&gt;<i> and partecipate we don't need multi-level hierarchical structures with
+</I>&gt;<i> so called local community representatives that have special rights or
+</I>&gt;<i> influence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some
+</I>&gt;<i> local community representatives don't necessarily match at all with the
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions of the members of their community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So personally I don't see any point in local community representatives
+</I>&gt;<i> as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their
+</I>&gt;<i> communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant
+</I>&gt;<i> information and manage their local forums, events etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there
+</I>&gt;<i> should be no delegations or representations as that's not necessary on
+</I>&gt;<i> the internet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or
+decision) *must* be their communities one.
+
+On the other hand, if every aspect of the distro should be voted on by each
+and every one of its users, the process of implementing a change would be
+too slow for what we are accustomed. I do not see the community voting en
+masse (and agreeing!) On every aspect of the distro.
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+<PRE>I would name 'cauldron' the former/inherited 'cooker'.
+I would call 'agora' the forums, discussion/debating places.
+I would call 'Prometheus' the first release of the new Mageia. He run away
+with the fire from the gods after all ;) I hope it won't end up eaten by the
+eagles! 'Phoenix' would be other good name..
+
+That's all, Mike
+
+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Olivier Thauvin &lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS - LATMOS
+</I>&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 21 September 2010 18:51, John Keller &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at johnkeller.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 09/21/2010 05:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 John Keller &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at johnkeller.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I agree, &quot;brewery&quot; or &quot;brew&quot; is a nice one!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Now may I show the &quot;too complicated for different languages and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cultures&quot; card? It may even be offending for religious people whose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> religion forbids alcohol.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Well, still nice if you like beer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other hand (ah ha!), &quot;brew&quot; doesn't have to be alcohol-related,
+</I>&gt;<i> since it can refer to a cooking process or a witch's brew. (Back to
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron...) Or, &quot;what's brewing?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, I've already seen one comment on DistroWatch from an Islamic user
+</I>&gt;<i> saying that he wasn't going to be able to use Mageia because of the
+</I>&gt;<i> Quran's views on magic. I'm not sure if he was serious or not, but
+</I>&gt;<i> certainly someone would be about that. I'm not suggesting we dig the
+</I>&gt;<i> hole any deeper, but at least if there's going to be a deal-breaker with
+</I>&gt;<i> strictly religious users, it probably won't be the name of the dev branch.
+</I>
+I think he has a misconception/a-bit-of-misinformation there; The
+&quot;magic&quot; that's mentioned and forbidden in the Quaran isn't the &quot;I get
+a rabbit out of my hat so quickly you think I am magical&quot; kind, i.e.
+not the hocus pocus / sleight of hand kind at all.
+
+So I am muslem but I have no problem to use/contribute to Mageia (and
+Mandriva/Mandrake before that :), Mandrake was the name of a wizard in
+a comic series, right?).
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, this isn't meant as a reprise, it's just coincidence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No worries, wobo - what's good for the goose is good for the gander. ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - John
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 17:58, Lapr&#233;vote Arnaud
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">arnaud.laprevote at mandriva.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I am definitely in favor of creating a foundation. In fact, I think that it
+</I>&gt;<i> should have been done much, much sooner.
+</I>
+Indeed.
+
+&gt;<i> I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the
+</I>&gt;<i> company) would be a voice among others.
+</I>
+Well...
+
+&gt;<i>From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from
+</I>the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here):
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+ 1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither
+investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from
+the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken,
+from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices -
+and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly
+and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I
+don't see this over there at this time.
+
+ 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's
+blog post is empty to me).
+
+Otherwise, wonder why would we have started this fork?
+
+This is my personal point of view and I encourage other people
+involving themselves into Mageia to be true to themselves and speak
+up, in one way or the other. And, I am in no way critical to this
+project now, even by being in the &quot;launch&quot; team. And provided an
+independant, not-for-profit, community driven structure is set up to
+drive the project and keeps control out of the hands of one single
+company, I'm happy to leave.
+
+I just won't welcome a Mandriva person into the first board at least.
+
+That won't prevent Mandriva developers to contribute or even use
+Mageia projects.
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+Then, after some time, if Mandriva plans and behaviour confirm
+themselves, consolid and seem to match our roadmap and values, sure,
+we will welcome collaborators and share the fun - that's what
+collaboration is about.
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+Collaboration requires trust. Mandriva (as a company, as a structure,
+as a project) does not have my trust anymore. Or prove me wrong (you'd
+have a hard time). But that's just me.
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and John Keller at 21/09/10 16:51 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> On 09/21/2010 05:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 John Keller &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at johnkeller.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I agree, &quot;brewery&quot; or &quot;brew&quot; is a nice one!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now may I show the &quot;too complicated for different languages and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cultures&quot; card? It may even be offending for religious people whose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> religion forbids alcohol.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Well, still nice if you like beer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other hand (ah ha!), &quot;brew&quot; doesn't have to be alcohol-related,
+</I>&gt;<i> since it can refer to a cooking process or a witch's brew. (Back to
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron...) Or, &quot;what's brewing?&quot;
+</I>
+Yes indeed. The alcohol link is purely optional. It very much applies to
+other things, such as a nice cup of tea. In fact a common question to
+someone asking if they want a cup of tea is &quot;Fancy a brew?&quot;. All
+innocent and nice and child friendly! :)
+
+&gt;<i> Also, I've already seen one comment on DistroWatch from an Islamic user
+</I>&gt;<i> saying that he wasn't going to be able to use Mageia because of the
+</I>&gt;<i> Quran's views on magic. I'm not sure if he was serious or not, but
+</I>&gt;<i> certainly someone would be about that. I'm not suggesting we dig the
+</I>&gt;<i> hole any deeper, but at least if there's going to be a deal-breaker with
+</I>&gt;<i> strictly religious users, it probably won't be the name of the dev branch.
+</I>
+I think that is probably an overreaction! Some religions would probably
+consider anything that runs via electricity to be magic. As with
+anything it's all about interpretation. If you take things too
+literally, you could find a reason to avoid just about everything.
+
+While I think we obviously need to be respectful, we shouldn't concern
+ourselves with every possible interpretation.
+
+Col
+
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+--
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 12:09, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> transparency and openess of the representative's discursons are guaranteed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I'd like to suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed
+</I>&gt;<i> and partecipate we don't need multi-level hierarchical structures with
+</I>&gt;<i> so called local community representatives that have special rights or
+</I>&gt;<i> influence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some
+</I>&gt;<i> local community representatives don't necessarily match at all with the
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions of the members of their community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So personally I don't see any point in local community representatives
+</I>&gt;<i> as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their
+</I>&gt;<i> communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant
+</I>&gt;<i> information and manage their local forums, events etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there
+</I>&gt;<i> should be no delegations or representations as that's not necessary on
+</I>&gt;<i> the internet.
+</I>
+Agreed, however, that is not what we were talking about. We were talking
+about information flow of information from the outer-localized groups
+being communicated back to the main site.
+
+Having a reverse flow, in my opinion, would be a job tackled on by the
+localized groups themselves. That is to mean, if the localized group
+wanted to be informed of the goings-on at the main Mageia.org site, they
+would make arrangements themselves to translate these to their localized
+members.
+
+The main issue here, as with all large organizations, is to make sure
+that the information from the outer-limbs of Mageia makes it back to the
+cental hub point from where the decisions are made. Before making
+decisions on issues, the Mageia.org hub should have all of the pertinent
+feedback from all users (localized or not). The flow should assure this.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>Think about these too:
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+Because the &quot;cooker&quot; is the distribution that is in advance in software and
+technologies :
+Pioneer,
+or
+Edge, for the same reason and for honor of the company Edge-IT
+or
+Campus, because of the application of new technologies
+
+it is only proposals, the most we have the better is :)
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>What we're likeling heading to is (we'll be more specific in the coming days):
+ - a board, about 12 people (counting, renewed by third every year at
+least (what third? still to be decided, or what to do if more than
+that resigns)
+ - board is elected by active members at a yearly general assembly (at
+FOSDEM ? other ? not decided),
+ - active members are co-opted by existing active members,
+ - this board will decide/manage all aspect of the project/org and
+each member will delegate to teams (that will be set up after the list
+provided in a coming wiki) as well as report.
+ - note that doesn't mean board will not listen to the community - not
+quite the goal and this flow of information and collaboration, as Marc
+notices, will work for everyone committing to it. Goodwill and trust
+are key.
+
+There are still many things to sort out. Exciting. :-)
+
+Romain
+
+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 18:30, vfmBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">vfmbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; localized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; sucess,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; transparency and openess of the representative's discursons are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; guaranteed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I'd like to suggest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and partecipate we don't need multi-level hierarchical structures with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so called local community representatives that have special rights or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> influence.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> local community representatives don't necessarily match at all with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opinions of the members of their community.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So personally I don't see any point in local community representatives
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> information and manage their local forums, events etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be no delegations or representations as that's not necessary on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the internet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position
+</I>&gt;<i> indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or
+</I>&gt;<i> decision) *must* be their communities one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other hand, if every aspect of the distro should be voted on by each
+</I>&gt;<i> and every one of its users, the process of implementing a change would be
+</I>&gt;<i> too slow for what we are accustomed. I do not see the community voting en
+</I>&gt;<i> masse (and agreeing!) On every aspect of the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have
+</I>&gt;<i> previously elected their representatives) are represented.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:30:57 +0100, I wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I must have missed some posting that explains &quot;mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK - I now see it all described on Wikipedia, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> notes on *pronunciation* there do not agree with that given by:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (which gives &quot;mah-GAY-ah&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps there should be an agreed pronunciation (to avoid the problem
+</I>&gt;<i> some people have with &quot;Linux&quot;!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The right in greek is this
+<A HREF="http://www.forvo.com/word/&#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945;/&lt;http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/">http://www.forvo.com/word/&#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945;/&lt;http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/</A>&gt;
+
+The greek pronouncation of the word Mageia (&#924;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945;) is Ma-ye&#233;-a . The ye&#233; is
+the same when you say in english 'young' the first syllabe.
+
+You cannot say ma - ge&#239; (gay)-a because in greek the ei=i (like
+&#949;&#953;-&#961;&#942;-&#957;&#951;=I-re-ne <A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene</A> )
+Only when it has the two points over the i (&#949;&#970;) is ay (like fame)
+
+
+With the latin leters, i am not sure but i think [mah-JEE-ah] is the right
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position
+</I>&gt;<i> indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or
+</I>&gt;<i> decision) *must* be their communities one.
+</I>
+There is no need for representative democracy on the Internet, arranging
+local poll in each community and then a global one where the community
+reps vote takes more time and effort than a single global poll.
+
+All that's needed is direct links to the global poll from the local
+community web sites so everyone can partecipate.
+
+&gt;<i> The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have
+</I>&gt;<i> previously elected their representatives) are represented.
+</I>
+Completely disagree. And what about those Mageia users that don't have a
+local community or that prefer spending their time on the global forum
+rather than in local forums?
+
+Again there is zero need for a representative democracy on the Internet.
+It only distorts the true wishes of the users and potentially creates
+local ego-power-positions that only cause controversy and in-fights.
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-21 12:09, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> localized
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> sucess,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> transparency and openess of the representative's discursons are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guaranteed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I'd like to suggest
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and partecipate we don't need multi-level hierarchical structures with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so called local community representatives that have special rights or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> influence.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> local community representatives don't necessarily match at all with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opinions of the members of their community.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So personally I don't see any point in local community representatives
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> information and manage their local forums, events etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be no delegations or representations as that's not necessary on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the internet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed, however, that is not what we were talking about. We were talking
+</I>&gt;<i> about information flow of information from the outer-localized groups being
+</I>&gt;<i> communicated back to the main site.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I will talk about i know. In the past, blogdrake admins &quot;probes&quot; the
+communitie's opinions to make it theirs. Then, they go to to Mandriva's
+active channel (whatever) and shows it. The new scheme i see it's ony a
+refined version of a good-working scheme. At least, until blogdrake's admins
+communicates with mandriva...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having a reverse flow, in my opinion, would be a job tackled on by the
+</I>&gt;<i> localized groups themselves. That is to mean, if the localized group wanted
+</I>&gt;<i> to be informed of the goings-on at the main Mageia.org site, they would make
+</I>&gt;<i> arrangements themselves to translate these to their localized members.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree with it. And -again- the reverse flow could/must be important part
+of the local representative's work.
+
+
+&gt;<i> The main issue here, as with all large organizations, is to make sure that
+</I>&gt;<i> the information from the outer-limbs of Mageia makes it back to the cental
+</I>&gt;<i> hub point from where the decisions are made. Before making decisions on
+</I>&gt;<i> issues, the Mageia.org hub should have all of the pertinent feedback from
+</I>&gt;<i> all users (localized or not). The flow should assure this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Again, i talk about i know: On the &quot;assemby times&quot; the blogdrake's admins
+were the messenger between assembly and its community (in the two ways
+flow). You can be sure we will do again, if neccessary, but maybe it's time
+to improve the community implication using some kind of election. But the
+scheme i think is valid and applicable to each local community.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> What we're likeling heading to is (we'll be more specific in the coming days):
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- a board, about 12 people (counting, renewed by third every year at
+</I>&gt;<i> least (what third? still to be decided, or what to do if more than
+</I>&gt;<i> that resigns)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- board is elected by active members at a yearly general assembly (at
+</I>&gt;<i> FOSDEM ? other ? not decided),
+</I>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
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+&gt;<i> What we're likeling heading to is (we'll be more specific in the coming days):
+</I>&gt;<i> - a board, about 12 people (counting, renewed by third every year at
+</I>&gt;<i> least (what third? still to be decided, or what to do if more than
+</I>&gt;<i> that resigns)
+</I>&gt;<i> - board is elected by active members at a yearly general assembly (at
+</I>&gt;<i> FOSDEM ? other ? not decided),
+</I>&gt;<i> - active members are co-opted by existing active members,
+</I>&gt;<i> - this board will decide/manage all aspect of the project/org and
+</I>&gt;<i> each member will delegate to teams (that will be set up after the list
+</I>&gt;<i> provided in a coming wiki) as well as report.
+</I>&gt;<i> - note that doesn't mean board will not listen to the community - not
+</I>&gt;<i> quite the goal and this flow of information and collaboration, as Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> notices, will work for everyone committing to it. Goodwill and trust
+</I>&gt;<i> are key.
+</I>
+Sounds good but voting should be open to everyone who is an active
+member/contributor of Mageia not just people who attend some physical
+meeting as that wil mean just a tiny clique vill vote and be voted.
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Edge, for the same reason and for honor of the company Edge-IT
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> Edge, for the same reason and for honor of the company Edge-IT
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+
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decision) *must* be their communities one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no need for representative democracy on the Internet, arranging
+</I>&gt;<i> local poll in each community and then a global one where the community
+</I>&gt;<i> reps vote takes more time and effort than a single global poll.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And what about people who don't undersand english, for example?
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All that's needed is direct links to the global poll from the local
+</I>&gt;<i> community web sites so everyone can partecipate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+And what happens if the options in the poll doesn't fit with a specific
+community needs?
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; previously elected their representatives) are represented.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Completely disagree. And what about those Mageia users that don't have a
+</I>&gt;<i> local community or that prefer spending their time on the global forum
+</I>&gt;<i> rather than in local forums?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups
+whith their own voice and vote.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Again there is zero need for a representative democracy on the Internet.
+</I>&gt;<i> It only distorts the true wishes of the users and potentially creates
+</I>&gt;<i> local ego-power-positions that only cause controversy and in-fights.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think in a representative meritocracy, in fact... No place for egos and
+controversy are if the work is evaluated.
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> On the other hand (ah ha!), &quot;brew&quot; doesn't have to be alcohol-related,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> since it can refer to a cooking process or a witch's brew. (Back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron...) Or, &quot;what's brewing?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes indeed. The alcohol link is purely optional. It very much applies to
+</I>&gt;<i> other things, such as a nice cup of tea. In fact a common question to
+</I>&gt;<i> someone asking if they want a cup of tea is &quot;Fancy a brew?&quot;. All
+</I>&gt;<i> innocent and nice and child friendly! :)
+</I>
+I know what a brew is :)
+I was rather referring to &quot;brewery&quot;.
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+2010/9/21 vfmBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">vfmbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; decision) *must* be their communities one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is no need for representative democracy on the Internet, arranging
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> local poll in each community and then a global one where the community
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reps vote takes more time and effort than a single global poll.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And what about people who don't undersand english, for example?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All that's needed is direct links to the global poll from the local
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> community web sites so everyone can partecipate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And what happens if the options in the poll doesn't fit with a specific
+</I>&gt;<i> community needs?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; previously elected their representatives) are represented.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Completely disagree. And what about those Mageia users that don't have a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> local community or that prefer spending their time on the global forum
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather than in local forums?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups
+</I>&gt;<i> whith their own voice and vote.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Again there is zero need for a representative democracy on the Internet.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It only distorts the true wishes of the users and potentially creates
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> local ego-power-positions that only cause controversy and in-fights.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think in a representative meritocracy, in fact... No place for egos and
+</I>&gt;<i> controversy are if the work is evaluated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I like Edge
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 18:58, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What we're likeling heading to is (we'll be more specific in the coming days):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- a board, about 12 people (counting, renewed by third every year at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least (what third? still to be decided, or what to do if more than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that resigns)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- board is elected by active members at a yearly general assembly (at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FOSDEM ? other ? not decided),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using the 3 parts of the community mentioned in the announcement:
+</I>&gt;<i> which part are these &quot;active members&quot; coming from?
+</I>
+All of three. And more. The rule here is to be co-opted.
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And what about people who don't undersand english, for example?
+</I>
+I answered that already, it's the job of the local leaders to make sure
+their communities have translations of all releveant information (this
+would be the case even in your scenario).
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+&gt;<i> As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups
+</I>&gt;<i> whith their own voice and vote.
+</I>
+We all know how unrepresentative most parliaments in the real world are
+so using them as a reference is a very bad idea, especially since on the
+internet direct partecipation is easily accievable.
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+Anyway Romain's mail makes this discussion redundant, since it doesn't
+appear to contain any special provisions for so-called community
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What we're likeling heading to is (we'll be more specific in the coming days):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- a board, about 12 people (counting, renewed by third every year at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least (what third? still to be decided, or what to do if more than
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that resigns)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- board is elected by active members at a yearly general assembly (at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> FOSDEM ? other ? not decided),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- active members are co-opted by existing active members,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- this board will decide/manage all aspect of the project/org and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> each member will delegate to teams (that will be set up after the list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provided in a coming wiki) as well as report.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- note that doesn't mean board will not listen to the community - not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quite the goal and this flow of information and collaboration, as Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> notices, will work for everyone committing to it. Goodwill and trust
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are key.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds good but voting should be open to everyone who is an active
+</I>&gt;<i> member/contributor of Mageia not just people who attend some physical
+</I>&gt;<i> meeting as that wil mean just a tiny clique vill vote and be voted.
+</I>
+Of course (btw being an active member and being remote is of course possible).
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+We're checking if we can define a framework for online votes, but,
+anyway, we will need to have physical meetings from time to time (and
+international gathering of FLOSS developers is a good point).
+Delegating voting power will be possible too.
+
+Anyway, that's were I highlight that &quot;listening&quot; is crux. As you say,
+we've to find a way that empowers this, but it won't replace goodwill.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 18:58, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What we're likeling heading to is (we'll be more specific in the coming days):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- a board, about 12 people (counting, renewed by third every year at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> least (what third? still to be decided, or what to do if more than
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that resigns)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;- board is elected by active members at a yearly general assembly (at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> FOSDEM ? other ? not decided),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using the 3 parts of the community mentioned in the announcement:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which part are these &quot;active members&quot; coming from?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All of three. And more. The rule here is to be co-opted.
+</I>
+I see. And how could people of the first group (the users) be
+recognized by the board if there is no representation of the users on
+the board? The board has definitely no time to monitor the user
+forums, so I assume.
+If (as written here) they are not represented (aka their opinons not
+brought to the attention of the board) how will the board know their
+opinons and/or know who are active users, I mean active in areas, the
+board does not see? Like local events, user support, writing local
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And what about people who don't undersand english, for example?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I answered that already, it's the job of the local leaders to make sure
+</I>&gt;<i> their communities have translations of all releveant information (this
+</I>&gt;<i> would be the case even in your scenario).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As same in the parliaments in the Real World (TM) there are mixed groups
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whith their own voice and vote.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We all know how unrepresentative most parliaments in the real world are
+</I>&gt;<i> so using them as a reference is a very bad idea, especially since on the
+</I>&gt;<i> internet direct partecipation is easily accievable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway Romain's mail makes this discussion redundant, since it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> appear to contain any special provisions for so-called community
+</I>&gt;<i> representatives.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>
+I'm agree with your last point :D
+
+Anyway, remember. I was talking from the beginning of a meritocracy-based
+election. You can be sure i'm more dissappointed than you about
+&quot;democracies&quot;, believe me.
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+&gt;<i> Anyway, that's were I highlight that &quot;listening&quot; is crux. As you say,
+</I>&gt;<i> we've to find a way that empowers this, but it won't replace goodwill.
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 19:18, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 18:58, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Using the 3 parts of the community mentioned in the announcement:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> which part are these &quot;active members&quot; coming from?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> All of three. And more. The rule here is to be co-opted.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see. And how could people of the first group (the users) be
+</I>&gt;<i> recognized by the board if there is no representation of the users on
+</I>&gt;<i> the board? The board has definitely no time to monitor the user
+</I>&gt;<i> forums, so I assume.
+</I>&gt;<i> If (as written here) they are not represented (aka their opinons not
+</I>&gt;<i> brought to the attention of the board) how will the board know their
+</I>&gt;<i> opinons and/or know who are active users, I mean active in areas, the
+</I>&gt;<i> board does not see? Like local events, user support, writing local
+</I>&gt;<i> translations, etc. ?
+</I>
+Excellent point. Believe me, I don't want to mess up with this. So...
+several options (non exclusive from each other):
+ - this is going to be a founding board, we may set up a renewal of a
+part of if in the next weeks/months (that is, not waiting for one full
+year or next FOSDEM);
+ - we invite/elect one/two people for that (best, I believe);
+ - the board is not all; it's important, but active members are as
+well; and we will have to rely on teams working among themselves and
+reporting to the board;
+ - goodwill and trust is crux; the communication flow must be
+encouraged and assumed by the board as well as all members; we don't
+expect the board to ignore what happens in the community, otherwise,
+how would the whole thing turn out?...
+ - other?
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+Opinions?
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 18:58, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What we're likeling heading to is (we'll be more specific in the coming days):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#194;&#160;- a board, about 12 people (counting, renewed by third every year at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> least (what third? still to be decided, or what to do if more than
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that resigns)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#194;&#160;- board is elected by active members at a yearly general assembly (at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> FOSDEM ? other ? not decided),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using the 3 parts of the community mentioned in the announcement:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which part are these &quot;active members&quot; coming from?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All of three. And more. The rule here is to be co-opted.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I see. And how could people of the first group (the users) be
+</I>&gt;<i> recognized by the board if there is no representation of the users on
+</I>&gt;<i> the board? The board has definitely no time to monitor the user
+</I>&gt;<i> forums, so I assume.
+</I>&gt;<i> If (as written here) they are not represented (aka their opinons not
+</I>&gt;<i> brought to the attention of the board) how will the board know their
+</I>&gt;<i> opinons and/or know who are active users, I mean active in areas, the
+</I>&gt;<i> board does not see? Like local events, user support, writing local
+</I>&gt;<i> translations, etc. ?
+</I>
+With global online ad-hoc polls on specific issues/subjects?
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+By raising their voice (or someone for them if they don't speak english)
+on the global forum?
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+Voting for the board or voting on specific issues is two different
+matters.
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+The board memebers are not hidden away behind layers of security guards,
+they have email addresses and names and surely partecipate in some
+forums/MLs so it should be always possible for anyone to bring something
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway Romain's mail makes this discussion redundant, since it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> appear to contain any special provisions for so-called community
+</I>&gt;<i> representatives.
+</I>
+I may have been wrongly understood then. Those were preleminary notes
+and we do welcome comments about it now, and even after the org and
+board are setup, for obvious reasons.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; company) would be a voice among others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from
+</I>&gt;<i> the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither
+</I>&gt;<i> investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from
+</I>&gt;<i> the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken,
+</I>&gt;<i> from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices -
+</I>&gt;<i> and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly
+</I>&gt;<i> and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't see this over there at this time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's
+</I>&gt;<i> blog post is empty to me).
+</I>
+I completly agree with this.
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+I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management
+anymore, I've lost any trust in them.
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+Nicolas
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+<PRE>Tux99 a &#233;crit
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I did not say that representatives are decison makers. As its position
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; indicates, they &quot;represent&quot; their respective communities. Their vote (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; decision) *must* be their communities one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no need for representative democracy on the Internet, arranging
+</I>&gt;<i> local poll in each community and then a global one where the community
+</I>&gt;<i> reps vote takes more time and effort than a single global poll.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All that's needed is direct links to the global poll from the local
+</I>&gt;<i> community web sites so everyone can partecipate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The &quot;central hub&quot; should be seen as a &quot;parliament&quot;, where users (who have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; previously elected their representatives) are represented.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Completely disagree. And what about those Mageia users that don't have a
+</I>&gt;<i> local community or that prefer spending their time on the global forum
+</I>&gt;<i> rather than in local forums?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Again there is zero need for a representative democracy on the Internet.
+</I>&gt;<i> It only distorts the true wishes of the users and potentially creates
+</I>&gt;<i> local ego-power-positions that only cause controversy and in-fights.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Users are not sticked on Internet. If sticked they may not are on the same
+channels than developers.
+
+Many users, if not most of them are invisible to developers since those users
+are not used to work the same way, using the same tools as developers. How
+many users will follow a mailing-list about mageia development ? How many
+users will follow IRC channels about mageia (they must first know what is IRC
+!)
+
+So, there must be a way for users to have a representation as well as
+developers and contributors.
+
+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With global online ad-hoc polls on specific issues/subjects?
+</I>
+Yes.
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+&gt;<i> By raising their voice (or someone for them if they don't speak english)
+</I>&gt;<i> on the global forum?
+</I>
+Yes.
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+&gt;<i> Voting for the board or voting on specific issues is two different
+</I>&gt;<i> matters.
+</I>
+Certainly
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+&gt;<i> The board memebers are not hidden away behind layers of security guards,
+</I>&gt;<i> they have email addresses and names and surely partecipate in some
+</I>&gt;<i> forums/MLs so it should be always possible for anyone to bring something
+</I>&gt;<i> directly to their attention.
+</I>
+It's not my fear that they are hiding, I know they are very busy and
+lately I had a discussion on the cooker list where I was told with
+very good reasoning that developpers are too occupied with their work
+to waste their time reading user forums and they do not want to be
+bothered by direct contact with users. As I said there were very good
+reasons given and I understand that.
+
+See, my greatest fear in this area is to run into the same
+communication problem we had in Mandriva for years because this was
+one of the reasons users lost their motivation and trust. In our
+current setup users are even more important because from them come
+those who do the laundry and wipe the floors. Meaning, they will do
+translations, documentation, promotion, user support, spreading
+information, etc.
+
+I'm asking all those question because of this fear, nothing else.
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+&gt;<i> On 21 September 2010 18:51, John Keller &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at johnkeller.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> &gt; Also, I've already seen one comment on DistroWatch from an Islamic user
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; saying that he wasn't going to be able to use Mageia because of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Quran's views on magic. I'm not sure if he was serious or not, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; certainly someone would be about that. I'm not suggesting we dig the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hole any deeper, but at least if there's going to be a deal-breaker with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; strictly religious users, it probably won't be the name of the dev
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; branch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think he has a misconception/a-bit-of-misinformation there; The
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;magic&quot; that's mentioned and forbidden in the Quaran isn't the &quot;I get
+</I>&gt;<i> a rabbit out of my hat so quickly you think I am magical&quot; kind, i.e.
+</I>&gt;<i> not the hocus pocus / sleight of hand kind at all.
+</I>
+Can i ask what _is_ referred to?
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 21 september 2010 18:12:44 schreef Tux99:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll review all submissions soon, post here a summary and if need a link
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to a poll to make last choice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please allow multiple choices in the poll, that will help to select the
+</I>&gt;<i> true overall favourite, given that many people probably would have more
+</I>&gt;<i> than one suggested name they like.
+</I>
+i also am i favor of ALWAYS using multi-polls, as that will more closely see
+what people really want, or rather what they don't want and how that can be
+avoided, if people are split and have a 50/50 primary choice, but a 90%
+secondary choice, that would indicate that that secondary choice is a good
+compromised. this way you get much better and faster results.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Users are not sticked on Internet. If sticked they may not are on the same
+</I>&gt;<i> channels than developers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Many users, if not most of them are invisible to developers since those users
+</I>&gt;<i> are not used to work the same way, using the same tools as developers. How
+</I>&gt;<i> many users will follow a mailing-list about mageia development ? How many
+</I>&gt;<i> users will follow IRC channels about mageia (they must first know what is IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> !)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, there must be a way for users to have a representation as well as
+</I>&gt;<i> developers and contributors.
+</I>
+Well, Olivier, I did not dare to dive into that &quot;different worlds&quot; issue. :)
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+We could not solve this problem at Mandriva, various reasons on all
+sides involved. Now we are here, the same people (almost), the same
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> It's not my fear that they are hiding, I know they are very busy and
+</I>&gt;<i> lately I had a discussion on the cooker list where I was told with
+</I>&gt;<i> very good reasoning that developpers are too occupied with their work
+</I>&gt;<i> to waste their time reading user forums and they do not want to be
+</I>&gt;<i> bothered by direct contact with users. As I said there were very good
+</I>&gt;<i> reasons given and I understand that.
+</I>
+I can perfectly understand the reasons why that's the case when the
+developers are full-time employees and do the work as a job, but this
+shouldn't and mustn't be the case in a non-profit community project
+where everyone is in it for the fun.
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+In this scenario devs are normally users themselves too, and even for
+their own satisfaction it should be natural that they at least
+occasionally check user reactions to what they develop, by spending some
+time on forums (at least reading through them).
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+In every successfull non-profit community FOSS project that I have seen
+that's the case, the devs are users themselves and do partecipate at
+least a bit in the forums.
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+<PRE>The right in greek is this
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.forvo.com/word/&#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945;/">http://www.forvo.com/word/&#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945;/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/">http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The greek pronouncation of the word Mageia (&#924;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945;) is Ma-ye&#233;-a . The
+</I>&gt;<i> ye&#233; is the same when you say in english 'young' the first syllabe.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You cannot say ma - ge&#239; (gay)-a because in greek the ei=i (like
+</I>&gt;<i> &#949;&#953;-&#961;&#942;-&#957;&#951;=I-re-ne <A HREF="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene">http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Irene</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i> Only when it has the two points over the i (&#949;&#970;) is ay (like fame)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>You should say &quot;the right modern greek pronunciation&quot; is Ma-ye&#233;-a, in
+ancient greek (whose pronunciation is presumably most world-wide
+known...) the pronunciation is assuredly ma-ge&#239;-a.
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+&gt;<i> You should say &quot;the right modern greek pronunciation&quot; is Ma-ye&#233;-a, in
+</I>&gt;<i> ancient greek (whose pronunciation is presumably most world-wide known...)
+</I>&gt;<i> the pronunciation is assuredly ma-ge&#239;-a.
+</I>
+That's what they told me in school when we talked about Homer and
+Plato and Sokrates and all the other guys with beards who used to live
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can perfectly understand the reasons why that's the case when the
+</I>&gt;<i> developers are full-time employees and do the work as a job, but this
+</I>&gt;<i> shouldn't and mustn't be the case in a non-profit community project
+</I>&gt;<i> where everyone is in it for the fun.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this scenario devs are normally users themselves too, and even for
+</I>&gt;<i> their own satisfaction it should be natural that they at least
+</I>&gt;<i> occasionally check user reactions to what they develop, by spending some
+</I>&gt;<i> time on forums (at least reading through them).
+</I>
+That's a very idealistic point of view and I'd really like to read a
+developper's opinion on that. Because IIRC it was really a free
+developper who told me that developpers do not need users because they
+are developping for their own needs in the first place (I reasoned
+that users and developpers are needing each other as 2 parts in a
+shared system). And it was another who told me that he'd rather spend
+his time working on a problem than reading all that user stuff in the
+forums. No employees!
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+But I wish you were right.
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+</I>
+IMHO that the board must have, at least one member from each
+Community. I'm part of Blogdrake.net, so I'll talk about my
+experience.
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+Active members &quot;use&quot; to be always the same. From time to time, a new
+user shows the &quot;gift&quot; DYS (Do it Your Self).
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+We know each other (virtually, because we're from different countries
+/ continents). So, we know very well who collaborates and in which
+area.
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+We know who is always translating, who is always reporting a bug, who
+is helping to improve the forum (code, modules, etc). We know who
+&quot;knows&quot;.
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+So, for the board, to have a member is, not only necessary but invaluable.
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+IMHO that consider for the board only people who can go personally to
+a conference in Europe to be face to face will leave aside a lot of
+people that works very hard and contribute a lot just because they
+can't travel.
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+A few years ago I worked under Romain d'Alverny's &quot;command&quot; (a real
+pleasure) as member of the MDKTrans group, translating the Mandriva
+web site to Spanish. The MDKTrans group, did a good job with only one
+SVN access and even with its members in different countries. I think
+none of the MDKTrans group could travel to European conference (maybe
+someone), but even so we could contribute.
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+Of course, this is just my opinion.
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+&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/">http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/</A>
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+&gt;<i> 'Twas brillig, and John Keller at 21/09/10 16:51 did gyre and gimble:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 09/21/2010 05:43 PM, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 John Keller &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at johnkeller.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I agree, &quot;brewery&quot; or &quot;brew&quot; is a nice one!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Now may I show the &quot;too complicated for different languages and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cultures&quot; card? It may even be offending for religious people whose
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> religion forbids alcohol.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Good point, I hadn't thought of that. Well, still nice if you like beer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On the other hand (ah ha!), &quot;brew&quot; doesn't have to be alcohol-related,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> since it can refer to a cooking process or a witch's brew. (Back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron...) Or, &quot;what's brewing?&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes indeed. The alcohol link is purely optional. It very much applies to
+</I>&gt;<i> other things, such as a nice cup of tea. In fact a common question to
+</I>&gt;<i> someone asking if they want a cup of tea is &quot;Fancy a brew?&quot;. All
+</I>&gt;<i> innocent and nice and child friendly! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, I've already seen one comment on DistroWatch from an Islamic user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> saying that he wasn't going to be able to use Mageia because of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Quran's views on magic. I'm not sure if he was serious or not, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> certainly someone would be about that. I'm not suggesting we dig the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hole any deeper, but at least if there's going to be a deal-breaker with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> strictly religious users, it probably won't be the name of the dev branch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that is probably an overreaction! Some religions would probably
+</I>&gt;<i> consider anything that runs via electricity to be magic. As with
+</I>&gt;<i> anything it's all about interpretation. If you take things too
+</I>&gt;<i> literally, you could find a reason to avoid just about everything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I think we obviously need to be respectful, we shouldn't concern
+</I>&gt;<i> ourselves with every possible interpretation.
+</I>
+Oh, I absolutely agree! I meant exactly that by citing the one poster's
+worry (real or not). If people are already going to avoid the distro for
+its name alone, then the name of the dev branch is hardly going to be a
+deterrent.
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Colin Guthrie &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at colin.guthr.ie</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On the other hand (ah ha!), &quot;brew&quot; doesn't have to be alcohol-related,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> since it can refer to a cooking process or a witch's brew. (Back to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron...) Or, &quot;what's brewing?&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes indeed. The alcohol link is purely optional. It very much applies to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other things, such as a nice cup of tea. In fact a common question to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone asking if they want a cup of tea is &quot;Fancy a brew?&quot;. All
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> innocent and nice and child friendly! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know what a brew is :)
+</I>&gt;<i> I was rather referring to &quot;brewery&quot;.
+</I>
+Ah! Well, I can't think of to many other meanings for brewery. Colin,
+got any tea houses called The Brewery near you? ;-)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> As a sign of good faith, they could maintain the primary servers and their related
+</I>&gt;<i> bandwidth. &#160;Heck, if a foundation is established, it's a win-win for everybody.
+</I>&gt;<i> They save money by having what were paid staff now volunteering, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> community saves the expense of server farm hardware and rackspace and monthly
+</I>&gt;<i> bandwidth costs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your thoughts?
+</I>
+You will leave your newborn in the &quot;hands&quot; of the same company whose
+lack of direction caused this situation?
+
+Maybe I'm a &quot;little&quot; paranoid, but i think we should listen
+ex-employes / developers. They know the sh*t from the very inside.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Ah! Well, I can't think of to many other meanings for brewery. Colin,
+</I>&gt;<i> got any tea houses called The Brewery near you? ;-)
+</I>
+Or breweries called &quot;The Tea House&quot; :)
+
+No, I think this thread is at its end anyway and next step will be
+voting. People who do like Brewery can vote for it, others do not have
+to.
+Voting is easier than discussions: you don't have to be polite or
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+&gt;<i> The greek pronouncation of the word Mageia is Ma-yee-a . The yee is
+</I>&gt;<i> the same when you say in english 'young' the first syllabe.
+</I>
+ OK - but 'Yee' differs from the &quot;Jee&quot; suggested in the
+Wikipedia entry!
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+So there seem to be *three* alternatiive pronunciations in the air.
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+Well, different languages have different ways of saying things, so
+does it really matter?
+ &quot;Paris&quot; in the UK sounds different from 'Paris' in France.
+Vive la difference....
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+&gt;<i> Why does the
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;<A HREF="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> pronunciation differ from others in here?!
+</I> Maybe because it is run by a USA based christian organisation who
+focus on the bible while most people here who gave their prononciation
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org.">http://blog.mageia.org.</A> It's for now in english but other languages
+will follow soon. Spread it
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+Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki.">http://www.mageia.org/wiki.</A> This is a temporary wiki as explained on
+it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in
+coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.
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+Cheers!
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+<PRE>* Maarten Vanraes (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 21 september 2010 18:12:44 schreef Tux99:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'll review all submissions soon, post here a summary and if need a link
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to a poll to make last choice.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please allow multiple choices in the poll, that will help to select the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; true overall favourite, given that many people probably would have more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than one suggested name they like.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i also am i favor of ALWAYS using multi-polls, as that will more closely see
+</I>&gt;<i> what people really want, or rather what they don't want and how that can be
+</I>&gt;<i> avoided, if people are split and have a 50/50 primary choice, but a 90%
+</I>&gt;<i> secondary choice, that would indicate that that secondary choice is a good
+</I>&gt;<i> compromised. this way you get much better and faster results.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1000 for multipolls
+</I>
+Seems we'll need a cluster to compute poll results...
+
+I have the perfect tools for this:
+<A HREF="https://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll">https://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/epoll</A>
+unfortunatelly the latest working version is only in french and next one
+is still not ready :\
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+For the rules, let see first what submission are really usuable, be
+patient.
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+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+
+--- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A> escreveu:
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+From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 19:49:45 +0200
+
+2010/9/21 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Users are not sticked on Internet. If sticked they may not are on the same
+</I>&gt;<i> channels than developers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Many users, if not most of them are invisible to developers since those users
+</I>&gt;<i> are not used to work the same way, using the same tools as developers. How
+</I>&gt;<i> many users will follow a mailing-list about mageia development ? How many
+</I>&gt;<i> users will follow IRC channels about mageia (they must first know what is IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> !)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, there must be a way for users to have a representation as well as
+</I>&gt;<i> developers and contributors.
+</I>
+Well, Olivier, I did not dare to dive into that &quot;different worlds&quot; issue. :)
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+We could not solve this problem at Mandriva, various reasons on all
+sides involved. Now we are here, the same people (almost), the same
+issue (probably). Solution?
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+Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> Well, different languages have different ways of saying things, so
+</I>&gt;<i> does it really matter?
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &quot;Paris&quot; in the UK sounds different from 'Paris' in &#160;France.
+</I>&gt;<i> Vive la difference....
+</I> Well, I try to pronounce names in foreign languages as the people
+there do it because they gave the names in their language and the
+names get their meaning only in that language. I hate being called by
+my name with English prononciation because it is not an English name.
+Same I do with English names, what would you say if I pronounced some
+English or American city name with German prononciation? Nice example
+is Worcester. In German that would be _War_ (like the word 'war&quot;) and
+_cester_ like the part &quot;Chester&quot; in Chesterfield. Together:
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:52:33 +0200, Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/">http://www.forvo.com/word/%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%B1/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I gave up trying to use that site. Said I had to register, but could
+</I>&gt;<i> not move on from 'register'!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why does the
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> spe
+</I>&gt;<i> pronunciation differ from others in here?!
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+The first link is the right and you dont have to register You click on the
+speaker on the left
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+the second link is not right. For the accent i can understand that is a
+greek that he lives in america for many many years or he is a second
+generation of greeks in the USA and he has lost the greek pronnounciation
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+</I>&gt;<i> Sunday, Teuf was on the contributors list but he is not any more. Is
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+--- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A> escreveu:
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+From: Remco Rijnders &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:41:39 +0200
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+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 08:34:12PM +0200, Farfouille wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sunday, Teuf was on the contributors list but he is not any more. Is
+</I>&gt;<i> it a mistake or what ?
+</I>
+And where is Waldo?
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+<PRE>Tysdag 21. september 2010 19.30.31 skreiv nicolas vigier:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; company) would be a voice among others.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't see this over there at this time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; blog post is empty to me).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I completly agree with this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management
+</I>&gt;<i> anymore, I've lost any trust in them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nicolas
+</I>
+
+Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad
+feelings you might have about the Mandriva company.
+
+If Lapr&#233;vote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should
+be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would
+love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+
+The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make
+to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between
+Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+
+When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could
+indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration
+possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like
+a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
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+Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :)
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Cassian Braconnnier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ptyxs at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should say &quot;the right modern greek pronunciation&quot; is Ma-ye&#233;-a, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ancient greek (whose pronunciation is presumably most world-wide
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; known...) the pronunciation is assuredly ma-ge&#239;-a.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what they told me in school when we talked about Homer and
+</I>&gt;<i> Plato and Sokrates and all the other guys with beards who used to live
+</I>&gt;<i> in barrels. :)
+</I>
+(sorry for the off-topic here)
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+With a little remark there: mp3 had not been invented back at those times, so
+nobody really knows what Hellenic (&quot;greek&quot;[1] ) sounded back in past. So we
+presume that modern greek is the closest to the ancient language's
+pronounciation [2]. It is interesting to search that historically, and there
+has been many theories (like Erasmus's one, which you mention).
+
+Just a piece of general knowledge..
+
+Of course, you may pronounce the word as you wish, since the international
+term &quot;Mag-ic&quot; and even products like &quot;Maya (tm)&quot; are derived from this word.
+
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+[1] &quot;greek&quot; is a modern nickname for the language, not the long-standing name
+[2] The &quot;old&quot; language is still spoken in our church. It is the same writting
+as the A.C. manuscripts, almost the same pronounciation as our modern
+language. The old language used to be the official until the 1970's.
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+
+Baza
+from Brazil
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+2010/9/21 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org.">http://blog.mageia.org.</A> It's for now in english but other languages
+</I>&gt;<i> will follow soon. Spread it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki.">http://www.mageia.org/wiki.</A> This is a temporary wiki as explained on
+</I>&gt;<i> it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in
+</I>&gt;<i> coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
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+&gt;<i>From: Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>Sent: Sep 21, 2010 12:28 PM
+</I>&gt;<i>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> - the board is not all; it's important, but active members are as
+</I>&gt;<i>well; and we will have to rely on teams working among themselves and
+</I>&gt;<i>reporting to the board;
+</I>&gt;<i>Opinions?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>_______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Any thoughts on how to setup the teams? By country? Region? or just a mix of people in several teams?
+
+Stephen
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+Calm down..............it's only ones and zeroes.
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>What about Debian or ArchLinux organisation scheme with users
+interaction? We can digg those to find a way of organisation. In my
+opinion, two should be three parts of a decision maker group. Call it
+assembly or whatever you want. First, members from Mageia developers
+(coders, packagers, web site and wiki developers etc.), members from
+local users communities. I don't know who are the advocates as
+mentioned in announcement. If Mageia will be a community driven
+project and not a company product there must be community members in
+board. I think %50-%50 developer-community ratio is fine. Local
+communities should elect their representive by themselves. We can
+elect our representive for 2 years. Thats how i think the decision
+maker board should formed in.
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+OFFTOP&#304;C: Mageia name is a bit weird for Turkish users. We even can't
+pronounce them like European language speakers. If someone asked me
+the distro name i'd rather prefer Magic Wand Linux...
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+&gt;<i> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it
+</I>&gt;<i> make to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration
+</I>&gt;<i> between Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+</I>
+That's exactly what *must* change: these mechanisms have been faulty for
+years, driving the Mandriva distribution into a shrinking audience. The Edge-
+IT people worked endless hours to keep the distro going, but the community had
+been turning its back on it. Consider also the 3rd-party repositories, the
+groups around Mandriva. Something has been going wrong, and that's not only an
+issue of the Mandriva company management/marketing.
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+Mageia should not become a copy of the Mandriva model. It has to be an
+evolution, not carrying the burden of past mistakes.
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+This warning is just to stay alert. Remember what happened to OpenSolaris after Oracle buy Sun. Would not it be nice if we had a promise now that could not be performed later.
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> As a sign of good faith, they could maintain the primary servers and their related
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bandwidth. &#160;Heck, if a foundation is established, it's a win-win for everybody.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They save money by having what were paid staff now volunteering, and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> community saves the expense of server farm hardware and rackspace and monthly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bandwidth costs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your thoughts?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You will leave your newborn in the &quot;hands&quot; of the same company whose
+</I>&gt;<i> lack of direction caused this situation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe I'm a &quot;little&quot; paranoid, but i think we should listen
+</I>&gt;<i> ex-employes / developers. They know the sh*t from the very inside.
+</I>Ah, yes, two ex-employees / developers which were actively involved
+with the development of the distribution over so many years.. Uh, oh,
+wait, no they weren't.
+I'm questioning whether they actually grasp all of the work required
+to put together a distribution. I also find it odd when I see
+statements from them on IRC which seems to be in conflict with others
+involved with this that they intend on going in a different direction
+independent of Mandriva. With all the people being brought aboard with
+Mageia from the Mandriva Linux community, I find it hard to believe
+that there has been established a consensus about this with all of the
+people involved and that they really want to do everything on their
+own and not care about keeping relations or anything with what they've
+been involved with on actual community basis and over longer times
+than either of these two..
+Are you guys *really* planning on doing the whole distribution on your
+own totally independent of Mandriva without any interest of
+collaborating?
+
+To me, these responses of Romain and Nicolas seems to confirm all the
+questions I raised earlier in this thread, suggesting that the fork
+and their motivations are personal and not out of concern and care for
+the community, despite these motivations officially given. I guess
+there's a reason for why they avoided these critical questions raised
+towards them, and rather chose to attack constructive attempts at
+doing what's in the best interest of the community in stead.
+
+But sure, I've only been actively involved with the development of
+this *community* distribution and on several other levels for a decade
+now, being amongst those involved for the longest time, while also
+being an ex-employee myself, I've primarily been active through the
+community independent of my employment nor imposing personal feelings
+towards company on the community. And I can also truly claim that I
+have an absolute full understanding of all the work an complexity
+involved in putting together the whole distribution and put tons of
+more hours into this on my sparetime and out of interest for
+contributing to the community, making me quite aware of the fact that
+you'll have a pretty darn hard time doing this and organizing the
+whole thing on your own.
+In all these claims about this being a community project and it being
+independent off people's employment and all, would you really find
+disgruntled ex-employees which has only been involved in this project
+through employment as the most trustworthy characters? How much time
+do they actually plan to invest themself into this project on their
+sparetime now that they're not employed by Mandriva?
+
+I can't really start telling how provoked I am over seeing this
+childish and truly community hostile attitude, or about the claims
+about through the liquidation of Edge-IT all of the talents and
+important people involved in development of the distribution
+disappearing, guess what, the majority of the staff working on the
+distribution for quite some time has actually been employed at
+Conectiva, not Edge-IT!
+
+But certainly, attention to actual details were never given much
+importance, were they..? Or were the people at Conectiva just
+considered less worth and not of any importance to the development of
+the distribution at all..?
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+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+</I>&gt;<i> With a little remark there: mp3 had not been invented back at those times, so
+</I>&gt;<i> nobody really knows what Hellenic (&quot;greek&quot;[1] ) sounded back in past. So we
+</I>&gt;<i> presume that modern greek is the closest to the ancient language's
+</I>&gt;<i> pronounciation [2]. It is interesting to search that historically, and there
+</I>&gt;<i> has been many theories (like Erasmus's one, which you mention).
+</I>
+Yes, of course. Same with all old languages. We can only go back from
+today's sound using old documents and overall statistic theories how
+languages change with the time, with foreign contacts and travelling,
+etc.
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+Best sources are religous rites because they tend to cover long time
+spans without being changed. A good example is old Hebrew and
+Hellenic, languages which were used to write the first documents of
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+--- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A> escreveu:
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+From: Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:31:33 -0400
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+Le 2010-09-21 10:15, Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As with most mailing lists/discussion groups, the message re: bottom/top
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> posting and citing only what is being answered and not all the message,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should be repeated on a regular basis to users. There is a constant flux of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people appearing on the list and some are new to this process. Some users
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are not first-language English speakers as well and may have a problem
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interpreting these directions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about a &quot;Welcome&quot; message with some Netiquette rules?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>
+This is a must for any mailist/discussion group. This will establish the
+Mageia convention in its use of mailist/discussion behaviour. It would
+also be a good reference point for new users.
+
+However, I track 20-30 mailist for one of my websites, and ALL of these
+list constantly bemoan the fact that people tend to &quot;break&quot; the rules.
+It is just human nature at work. The rules just need to be repeated
+every so often to put the discussion partners back on track. It is just
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+&gt;<i> It's inevitable that Mageia would be claimed on some accounts.. a quick Google turned up 1 US business 1 guy on Twitter
+</I>&gt;<i> and a second with JA-Mageia..all on page 1 of the search
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home">http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home</A>
+</I>
+Ouch! Is this a show stopper for the name mageia?
+<A HREF="http://mageia.com/">http://mageia.com/</A>
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+The domain was registered in 2001, with the ownership hidden
+by Domains by Proxy. The sites.google.com, and the
+&quot;Recent Site Activity&quot; link on mageia.com shows it's
+being maintained by &quot;John Wells Sr&quot;.
+
+Note that the logo consists of the site name in a stylized
+script, with the phrase &quot;Isn't it magic&quot;, as the &quot;future Web
+home for Mageia Minerals of Chassell, Michigan&quot;. The site
+consists of a single page hosted on sites.google.com. The
+recent activity indicates it was all created July 26th, 2010.
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+While mageia.org is not the same as mageia.com, I expect
+a lot of users are going to accidentally go to the wrong
+site.
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+Is this going to be potential legal problem?
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+Regards, Dave Hodgins
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Emmanuel Andry &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eandry at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi everybody !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A Mandriva's fork, at last !
+</I>&gt;<i> A real community-driven Mandriva is what I was waiting for ages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I offer my packaging skills to Mageia (Mandriva packager since 2005)
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Emmanuel Andry
+</I>&gt;<i> Former Mandriva Packager
+</I>
+
+Hi Emmanuel!
+
+Welcome to Mageia!
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+Please add yourself to <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
+( Packaging )
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+Sinner
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+<PRE>I hate timezone differences .. I miss all the action.
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+Clearly I am an advocate of using mandrivauser/mageiauser.org as I have:
+* 20,000 users already
+* years of experiences running a large board
+* Infrastructure providing by osuosl
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+This conversation seems to be going all over the show .. yesterday the word was
+ &quot;let's not talk about it, and let the steering committee lead it&quot;
+But clearly that hasn't happened.
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+Who is the steering committee ? who can make a decision ?
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+Because this &quot;let's all have a go, and see who becomes famous the quickest&quot; will just cause fraction amongst the community.
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+BTW, it's morning here .. so I'm available to talk for the next 12 - 16 hours :) (damn timezones)
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>please do not put a lamp! at least in turkish communtiy the lamp may
+lead us some political discussion. As you may not know lamp is the
+justice and development party which governs here...
+
+2010/9/21 Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I'd have a insight: Mageia = Magic + Idea. Put a lamp in somewhere!
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE> El 21/09/10 15:58, atilla ontas escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> please do not put a lamp! at least in turkish communtiy the lamp may
+</I>&gt;<i> lead us some political discussion. As you may not know lamp is the
+</I>&gt;<i> justice and development party which governs here...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Andr&#233; Machado&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd have a insight: Mageia = Magic + Idea. Put a lamp in somewhere!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _____________________________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <A HREF="http://www.DCemail.com">http://www.DCemail.com</A> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;
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+</I>Oh... I see... Wee need think in the diferents cultures of the World,
+this logo isnt only for America and Europe...
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>Thats an important issue. Is it a legal problem?
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+2010/9/21 David W. Hodgins &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:15:05 -0400, Lawrence A Fossi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comst.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's inevitable that Mageia would be claimed on some accounts.. a quick
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Google turned up 1 US business 1 guy on Twitter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and a second with JA-Mageia..all on page 1 of the search
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home">http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ouch! &#160;Is this a show stopper for the name mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.com/">http://mageia.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The domain was registered in 2001, with the ownership hidden
+</I>&gt;<i> by Domains by Proxy. &#160;The sites.google.com, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Recent Site Activity&quot; link on mageia.com shows it's
+</I>&gt;<i> being maintained by &quot;John Wells Sr&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that the logo consists of the site name in a stylized
+</I>&gt;<i> script, with the phrase &quot;Isn't it magic&quot;, as the &quot;future Web
+</I>&gt;<i> home for Mageia Minerals of Chassell, Michigan&quot;. &#160;The site
+</I>&gt;<i> consists of a single page hosted on sites.google.com. &#160;The
+</I>&gt;<i> recent activity indicates it was all created July 26th, 2010.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While mageia.org is not the same as mageia.com, I expect
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot of users are going to accidentally go to the wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> site.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is this going to be potential legal problem?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
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+<PRE> El 21/09/10 16:00, atilla ontas escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Thats an important issue. Is it a legal problem?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 David W. Hodgins&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:15:05 -0400, Lawrence A Fossi&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comst.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's inevitable that Mageia would be claimed on some accounts.. a quick
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Google turned up 1 US business 1 guy on Twitter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and a second with JA-Mageia..all on page 1 of the search
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home">http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ouch! Is this a show stopper for the name mageia?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.com/">http://mageia.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The domain was registered in 2001, with the ownership hidden
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by Domains by Proxy. The sites.google.com, and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Recent Site Activity&quot; link on mageia.com shows it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being maintained by &quot;John Wells Sr&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note that the logo consists of the site name in a stylized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> script, with the phrase &quot;Isn't it magic&quot;, as the &quot;future Web
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> home for Mageia Minerals of Chassell, Michigan&quot;. The site
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consists of a single page hosted on sites.google.com. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recent activity indicates it was all created July 26th, 2010.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While mageia.org is not the same as mageia.com, I expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a lot of users are going to accidentally go to the wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> site.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this going to be potential legal problem?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>Ohhh, that smells like..... Wach out!
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+&gt;<i> This conversation seems to be going all over the show .. yesterday the word was
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;&quot;let's not talk about it, and let the steering committee lead it&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> But clearly that hasn't happened.
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+ Because people went on discussing. You can't prevent this in an open
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+&gt;<i> So my question:
+</I>&gt;<i> Who is the steering committee ? who can make a decision ?
+</I>
+Oh, then you haven't read all hundreds of mails yet :)
+
+The &quot;steering group&quot; I mentioned are the people who strated this
+Mageia thing, were overwhelmed by the noise, spent long hours to read
+all the mails and are now starting to get things organized.
+See Anne's mail thread &quot;Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Emmanuel Andry &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eandry at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi everybody !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A Mandriva's fork, at last !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A real community-driven Mandriva is what I was waiting for ages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I offer my packaging skills to Mageia (Mandriva packager since 2005)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Emmanuel Andry
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Former Mandriva Packager
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Emmanuel!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome to Mageia!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please add yourself to <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ( Packaging )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner from the Prairy - <A HREF="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</A> -
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:&#160; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+Can you add me in the list of translators please ?
+Dimitrios Glentadakis (DimitrisG) <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A> Greek translations
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 16:16, Paul Willard a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I hate timezone differences .. I miss all the action.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Clearly I am an advocate of using mandrivauser/mageiauser.org as I have:
+</I>&gt;<i> * 20,000 users already
+</I>&gt;<i> * years of experiences running a large board
+</I>&gt;<i> * Infrastructure providing by osuosl
+</I>&gt;<i> * a whole bunch of other good reasons.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This conversation seems to be going all over the show .. yesterday the word was
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;let's not talk about it, and let the steering committee lead it&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> But clearly that hasn't happened.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So my question:
+</I>&gt;<i> Who is the steering committee ? who can make a decision ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because this &quot;let's all have a go, and see who becomes famous the quickest&quot; will just cause fraction amongst the community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, it's morning here .. so I'm available to talk for the next 12 - 16 hours :) (damn timezones)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Paul Willard.
+</I>
+Hi Paul:
+
+I think people are just speculating different scenarios at the moment.
+Once the Wiki's are up and going, it will give the organization a little
+more structure and people will have a more focussed approach to their
+messages.
+
+I don't think you have to worry about your forums.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Can you add me in the list of translators please ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis (DimitrisG) <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A> Greek translations
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+2. Check your email for your login password
+3. Add yourself here: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=translators">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=translators</A>
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
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+</I>&gt;<i> Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org.">http://blog.mageia.org.</A> It's for now in english but other languages
+</I>&gt;<i> will follow soon. Spread it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki.">http://www.mageia.org/wiki.</A> This is a temporary wiki as explained on
+</I>&gt;<i> it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in
+</I>&gt;<i> coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+Would it make sense to also have a section for &quot;mageia&quot; domain owners to
+track domain owners who are willing to cooperate? You will eventually
+have to do this anyway. I would also consider this also a type of offer
+of cooperation and help.
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org.">http://blog.mageia.org.</A> It's for now in english but other languages
+</I>&gt;<i> will follow soon. Spread it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki.">http://www.mageia.org/wiki.</A> This is a temporary wiki as explained on
+</I>&gt;<i> it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in
+</I>&gt;<i> coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+Could you add in a &quot;Marketing&quot; heading as well please
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+Cheers
+GL
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+--
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Jostein Hauge wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If Lapr&#233;vote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this
+</I>&gt;<i> should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it
+</I>&gt;<i> make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration
+</I>&gt;<i> between
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you
+</I>&gt;<i> could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look
+</I>&gt;<i> more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; downhill fast.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As with any business, MDV will do what's (perceived as) good for MDV,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whether or not that seems respectful to the community. I'd be the last
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; long ago. But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don't expect
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; please shareholders. They probably don't know we exist.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In this case, MDV (= Lapr&#233;vote) seems to think that a foundation is good
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for MDV, so I'd have a lot more confidence that they will back it than I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would otherwise. And once they go down that path, it would be very
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; difficult to reverse.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; remember the old saying: &quot;the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; bread of another&quot;. If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; foundation of the type in which you're interested, *and* are willing to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; let the community control it, just go forward from there.
+</I>&gt;<i> You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> on this, and also there's been a general total consensus about the
+</I>&gt;<i> benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole thing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The issue here isn't that Mandriva is only interested in the
+</I>&gt;<i> foundation out of it's own interest, but rather about the fact that
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal
+</I>&gt;<i> vendetta.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This isn't something originally coming from the management of the
+</I>&gt;<i> company, it's been something first proposed around the beginning of
+</I>&gt;<i> the century by G&#228;el Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a
+</I>&gt;<i> while!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I'm hoping for an independent SCM
+repository as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an
+independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see
+where branching can be taken advantage of, but as mentioned before it would
+take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard
+a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the Mandriva svn and
+to account for growth.
+
+Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is
+just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from
+that, then a distribution. It just doesn't work that way. It's obvious that
+many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to roll/spin/create
+a distro and the enormous amount of setup and organization that goes into
+it. So I'm not going to address them.
+
+So what do we say? Can we get something going here? A comment from all?
+
+Regards,
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+Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with the
+software DokuWiki.
+
+I made a text about wiki software &quot;DokuWiki&quot; in the wiki MandrivaBrasil:
+
+<A HREF="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/wiki-dokuwiki">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/wiki-dokuwiki</A>
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+<A HREF="http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/usando-">http://docs.mandriva-br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/usando-</A>
+dokuwiki
+
+Several templates available (<A HREF="http://www.dokuwiki.org/template">http://www.dokuwiki.org/template</A>), I think
+&quot;Newday&quot; is the most practical, but there is also the template &quot;Monobook&quot; like
+mediawiki (Wikipedia).
+
+Template Newday: <A HREF="http://docs.mandriva-">http://docs.mandriva-</A>
+br.org/mandriva/dicas_para_iniciantes/dica/configurar_modelo_newday_no_dokuwiki_-
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+official website templete newday: <A HREF="http://blog.chirripo.nl/">http://blog.chirripo.nl/</A>
+
+MacXi
+brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+
+
+Em Ter 21 Set 2010, &#224;s 15:31:35, Anne nicolas escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org.">http://blog.mageia.org.</A> It's for now in english but other languages
+</I>&gt;<i> will follow soon. Spread it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki.">http://www.mageia.org/wiki.</A> This is a temporary wiki as explained on
+</I>&gt;<i> it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in
+</I>&gt;<i> coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with the
+</I>&gt;<i> software DokuWiki.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I made a text about wiki software &quot;DokuWiki&quot; in the wiki MandrivaBrasil:
+</I>
+We are using DokuWiki as well on MandrivaUser.de so people should have
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 16:51, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 22 Sep 2010 06:31:35 Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here we are. Mageia blog is finally online with temporary template:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org.">http://blog.mageia.org.</A> It's for now in english but other languages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will follow soon. Spread it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also to start with organizing, first step will take place here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki.">http://www.mageia.org/wiki.</A> This is a temporary wiki as explained on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it to register all help proposals. Second blog post will follow in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coming hours to announce coming step for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you add in a &quot;Marketing&quot; heading as well please
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks, I was just about the mention that also.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 15:16, Stephen Germany a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> -----Original Message-----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sent: Sep 21, 2010 12:28 PM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the board is not all; it's important, but active members are as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well; and we will have to rely on teams working among themselves and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reporting to the board;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Opinions?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Any thoughts on how to setup the teams? By country? Region? or just a mix of people in several teams?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stephen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Calm down..............it's only ones and zeroes.
+</I>
+Hmmm. This thread has somehow become separated from the main &quot;Re: Mageia
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+</I>&gt;<i> Thats an important issue. Is it a legal problem?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 David W. Hodgins &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:15:05 -0400, Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comst.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's inevitable that Mageia would be claimed on some accounts.. a quick
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Google turned up 1 US business 1 guy on Twitter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and a second with JA-Mageia..all on page 1 of the search
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home">http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ouch! ?Is this a show stopper for the name mageia?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.com/">http://mageia.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The domain was registered in 2001, with the ownership hidden
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by Domains by Proxy. ?The sites.google.com, and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Recent Site Activity&quot; link on mageia.com shows it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being maintained by &quot;John Wells Sr&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note that the logo consists of the site name in a stylized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> script, with the phrase &quot;Isn't it magic&quot;, as the &quot;future Web
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> home for Mageia Minerals of Chassell, Michigan&quot;. ?The site
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consists of a single page hosted on sites.google.com. ?The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recent activity indicates it was all created July 26th, 2010.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While mageia.org is not the same as mageia.com, I expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a lot of users are going to accidentally go to the wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> site.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this going to be potential legal problem?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Could be. I think the team failed to do something very basic before they
+made a final decision on the name - mageia.org, mageia.com, mageia.net
+mageia.eu. Maybe they did and did not think it was something to fret
+about.
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+<PRE>Thats why I posted it...Mageia doesn't need a repeat of the whole Mandrake incident right from the get-go !
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Ignacio Salcedo&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ignacio at ignacio-profile.com</A>&gt;
+To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:31:32 PM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
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+ El 21/09/10 16:00, atilla ontas escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Thats an important issue. Is it a legal problem?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 David W. Hodgins&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:15:05 -0400, Lawrence A Fossi&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comst.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's inevitable that Mageia would be claimed on some accounts.. a quick
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Google turned up 1 US business 1 guy on Twitter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and a second with JA-Mageia..all on page 1 of the search
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home">http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ouch! Is this a show stopper for the name mageia?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.com/">http://mageia.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The domain was registered in 2001, with the ownership hidden
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by Domains by Proxy. The sites.google.com, and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Recent Site Activity&quot; link on mageia.com shows it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being maintained by &quot;John Wells Sr&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note that the logo consists of the site name in a stylized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> script, with the phrase &quot;Isn't it magic&quot;, as the &quot;future Web
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> home for Mageia Minerals of Chassell, Michigan&quot;. The site
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consists of a single page hosted on sites.google.com. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recent activity indicates it was all created July 26th, 2010.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While mageia.org is not the same as mageia.com, I expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a lot of users are going to accidentally go to the wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> site.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this going to be potential legal problem?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>Ohhh, that smells like..... Wach out!
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can perfectly understand the reasons why that's the case when the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; developers are full-time employees and do the work as a job, but this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shouldn't and mustn't be the case in a non-profit community project
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; where everyone is in it for the fun.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In this scenario devs are normally users themselves too, and even for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their own satisfaction it should be natural that they at least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; occasionally check user reactions to what they develop, by spending some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; time on forums (at least reading through them).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a very idealistic point of view and I'd really like to read a
+</I>&gt;<i> developper's opinion on that. Because IIRC it was really a free
+</I>&gt;<i> developper who told me that developpers do not need users because they
+</I>&gt;<i> are developping for their own needs in the first place (I reasoned
+</I>&gt;<i> that users and developpers are needing each other as 2 parts in a
+</I>&gt;<i> shared system). And it was another who told me that he'd rather spend
+</I>&gt;<i> his time working on a problem than reading all that user stuff in the
+</I>&gt;<i> forums. No employees!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I wish you were right.
+</I>
+I would say, that is correct.
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+i don't like reading user comments either, but otoh, i am willing to
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While mageia.org is not the same as mageia.com, I expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a lot of users are going to accidentally go to the wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> site.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this going to be potential legal problem?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ohhh, that smells like..... Wach out!
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+I don't think we should worry about this right now. It has gone too far
+and once we have the infrastructure up and going, changing names becomes
+a trivial matter.
+
+It would surprise met if this were of any problems at all. A minerals
+company found at mageia.com and a linux distro found at mageia.org are
+simply too far apart in concept to be mistaken.
+
+It will become a problem if the term &quot;Mageia&quot; has been copywritten or
+(heaven forbid) patented! by someone or a company.
+
+Having a site's name is not usually a problem. Laws differ depending of
+the country you reside in. But they all seem to follow the same
+convention (except for patent laws).
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+Note that I am not a lawyer.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 21 september 2010 22:55:09 schreef Matthew Dawkins:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:25 PM, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/21 Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Jostein Hauge wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; If Lapr&#233;vote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; us would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; between
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; +1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The tone of these threads started as exciting and hopeful, but is going
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; downhill fast.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; As with any business, MDV will do what's (perceived as) good for MDV,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; whether or not that seems respectful to the community. I'd be the last
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; one to deny that without the community, MDV probably would have folded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; long ago. But I doubt they tell the shareholders that, so don't expect
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; their debt to the community to weigh heavily in policies created to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; please shareholders. They probably don't know we exist.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; In this case, MDV (= Lapr&#233;vote) seems to think that a foundation is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; good for MDV, so I'd have a lot more confidence that they will back it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; than I would otherwise. And once they go down that path, it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; very difficult to reverse.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; No matter what your feelings about Mandriva management might be,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; remember the old saying: &quot;the bread of one emperor is as sweet as the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; bread of another&quot;. If MDV is willing to pony up the resources to host
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; a foundation of the type in which you're interested, *and* are willing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to let the community control it, just go forward from there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You loose the fact that I raised this issue and invited for discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; on this, and also there's been a general total consensus about the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; benefits and gains of a foundation and overwhelming interest in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whole thing.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The issue here isn't that Mandriva is only interested in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; foundation out of it's own interest, but rather about the fact that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Romain is against anything related to Mandriva out of his own personal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; vendetta.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This isn't something originally coming from the management of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; company, it's been something first proposed around the beginning of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the century by G&#228;el Duval, and that has since been resurfaced for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; discussion and being pushed from the community itself for quite a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; while!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Per &#216;yvind
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well from my (Unity Linux) perspective I'm hoping for an independent SCM
+</I>&gt;<i> repository as well. This is the perfect time to take advantage of an
+</I>&gt;<i> independent SCM and allow everyone to share ~90% of the same code and see
+</I>&gt;<i> where branching can be taken advantage of, but as mentioned before it would
+</I>&gt;<i> take an entity with some resources to deploy it. (Hint hint Arnaud) I heard
+</I>&gt;<i> a comment of about 600GB is needed to basically re-host the Mandriva svn
+</I>&gt;<i> and to account for growth.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Much of these nasty low blows about my past employment/employees etc, is
+</I>&gt;<i> just not classy nor constructive to really form a new community and from
+</I>&gt;<i> that, then a distribution. It just doesn't work that way. It's obvious that
+</I>&gt;<i> many of the nay-sayers may have no clue on what it takes to
+</I>&gt;<i> roll/spin/create a distro and the enormous amount of setup and
+</I>&gt;<i> organization that goes into it. So I'm not going to address them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So what do we say? Can we get something going here? A comment from all?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Matthew Dawkins
+</I>+1
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 14:37, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Maurice Batey&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, different languages have different ways of saying things, so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> does it really matter?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Paris&quot; in the UK sounds different from 'Paris' in France.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vive la difference....
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I try to pronounce names in foreign languages as the people
+</I>&gt;<i> there do it because they gave the names in their language and the
+</I>&gt;<i> names get their meaning only in that language. I hate being called by
+</I>&gt;<i> my name with English prononciation because it is not an English name.
+</I>&gt;<i> Same I do with English names, what would you say if I pronounced some
+</I>&gt;<i> English or American city name with German prononciation? Nice example
+</I>&gt;<i> is Worcester. In German that would be _War_ (like the word 'war&quot;) and
+</I>&gt;<i> _cester_ like the part &quot;Chester&quot; in Chesterfield. Together:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;War-chester&quot; :)
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Maybe we could just accept the fact that it could be pronounced
+differently, adopt the official Mageia pronunciation edict on the Wiki
+and just go with it? It obviously reminds most of us of the &quot;Linux&quot;
+pronunciation debate ... which is still left unresolved but, quite
+frankly, inconsequential.
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+</I>&gt;<i> It would surprise met if this were of any problems at all. A minerals
+</I>&gt;<i> company found at mageia.com and a linux distro found at mageia.org are
+</I>&gt;<i> simply too far apart in concept to be mistaken.
+</I> See ubuntu.com (the linux distribution's home) and ubuntu.org, a
+non-profit organisation. the address redirects to ubuntu.upc.edu.
+(World Forum of Civil Society Networks), no, it is not a charity club
+sponsored by M.S.
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+<PRE>Im a lawyer, altough i dont know US or EU laws; i think it will be a
+legal problem like Mandrake name case. We should immediately need to
+consider this. Also even name is not a legal matter than domain names
+could be give us headache.
+
+2010/9/22 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> While mageia.org is not the same as mageia.com, I expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a lot of users are going to accidentally go to the wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> site.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is this going to be potential legal problem?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Dave Hodgins
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ohhh, that smells like..... Wach out!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think we should worry about this right now. It has gone too far and
+</I>&gt;<i> once we have the infrastructure up and going, changing names becomes a
+</I>&gt;<i> trivial matter.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would surprise met if this were of any problems at all. A minerals
+</I>&gt;<i> company found at mageia.com and a linux distro found at mageia.org are
+</I>&gt;<i> simply too far apart in concept to be mistaken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It will become a problem if the term &quot;Mageia&quot; has been copywritten or
+</I>&gt;<i> (heaven forbid) patented! by someone or a company.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having a site's name is not usually a problem. Laws differ depending of the
+</I>&gt;<i> country you reside in. But they all seem to follow the same convention
+</I>&gt;<i> (except for patent laws).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that I am not a lawyer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+the project life.
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+I guess I was more expecting Mageia to plan their future first
+independently and only then approach Mandriva for a possible
+partnership on equal terms, not the other way around. I do believe
+Mageia must first decide by itself what it wants to be before pulling
+other entities.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we could just accept the fact that it could be pronounced differently,
+</I>&gt;<i> adopt the official Mageia pronunciation edict on the Wiki and just go with
+</I>&gt;<i> it?
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+Of course, I did not mean to insist :)
+Maybe we meet at some place in the future and exchange our different
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+Just saw now, but the header of the wiki says that this format will be
+temporary. Maybe they will install mediawiki in the future.
+
+&quot;Mageia temporary wiki&quot; - &quot;This wiki is temporary, for setup purposes and
+contributions lists. It will be erased in the future&quot;.
+
+MacXi
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+Em Ter 21 Set 2010, &#224;s 17:59:34, Wolfgang Bornath escreveu:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the software DokuWiki.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I made a text about wiki software &quot;DokuWiki&quot; in the wiki MandrivaBrasil:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are using DokuWiki as well on MandrivaUser.de so people should have
+</I>&gt;<i> no problems with that, German hepl text available in our wiki ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+Could we all agree that Anne Nicola be the official spokesperson for the
+Mageia project? If so, Anne could then add to her signature an
+appropriate title to reflect this.
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+It is pretty obvious on both of these threads that people have assumed
+that you would be the official spokesperson anyway.
+
+I have also noticed that Anne has changed emails quite a few times. Is
+there anyway to start using the &quot; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">____ at mageia.org</A>&quot; email suffix and
+award Anne an appropriate project email? This will add more weight to
+her postings. This will give the project a big public boost.
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+Cheers
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+Marc
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:15:05 -0400, Lawrence A Fossi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comcast.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's inevitable that Mageia would be claimed on some accounts.. a quick Google turned up 1 US business 1 guy on Twitter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and a second with JA-Mageia..all on page 1 of the search
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home">http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ouch! Is this a show stopper for the name mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.com/">http://mageia.com/</A>
+</I>
+No, it's not a problem. It is not the same domain at all, there is no
+confusion possible between the two.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The domain was registered in 2001, with the ownership hidden
+</I>&gt;<i> by Domains by Proxy. The sites.google.com, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Recent Site Activity&quot; link on mageia.com shows it's
+</I>&gt;<i> being maintained by &quot;John Wells Sr&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that the logo consists of the site name in a stylized
+</I>&gt;<i> script, with the phrase &quot;Isn't it magic&quot;, as the &quot;future Web
+</I>&gt;<i> home for Mageia Minerals of Chassell, Michigan&quot;. The site
+</I>&gt;<i> consists of a single page hosted on sites.google.com. The
+</I>&gt;<i> recent activity indicates it was all created July 26th, 2010.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While mageia.org is not the same as mageia.com, I expect
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot of users are going to accidentally go to the wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> site.
+</I>
+When you type &quot;mageia&quot; on google, mageia.org is already the first
+result, so I don't think it will be a big problem.
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+Nicolas
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+&gt;<i> Im a lawyer, altough i dont know US or EU laws; i think it will be a
+</I>&gt;<i> legal problem like Mandrake name case. We should immediately need to
+</I>&gt;<i> consider this. Also even name is not a legal matter than domain names
+</I>&gt;<i> could be give us headache.
+</I>
+Yes, it depends on the company and if there is an underpaid lawyer
+around (no offense meant, atilla).
+
+A friend owning 'mobilix.de', dealing with Linux on mobile devices was
+sued by the company which has the right son the famous &quot;Asterix&quot;
+comics, where the second main character is named &quot;Obelix&quot;. He lost the
+case all the way up to the highest court although comics have nothing
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+&gt;<i> I cannot fathom why Mandriva should be involved so deeply so early in
+</I>&gt;<i> the project life.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess I was more expecting Mageia to plan their future first
+</I>&gt;<i> independently and only then approach Mandriva for a possible
+</I>&gt;<i> partnership on equal terms, not the other way around. I do believe
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia must first decide by itself what it wants to be before pulling
+</I>&gt;<i> other entities.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There will be always time for Mandriva, Suse, Fedora or even Debian to
+</I>&gt;<i> join the foundation if they so wish, no?
+</I>
+I agree on this point. It has now gone too far to go back now. The
+Mageia project should just set itself up and then worry about this a
+little later in the near future. It is obvious that there will be an
+initial distro, the servers and mirrors and infrastructure is being
+planned and the support has obviously reached enough critical mass now
+to stand on its own.
+
+The Mandriva-Mageia or Mageia-Mandriva relationship might be considered
+and pursued perhaps at a different time in the very near future before
+the fork becomes a unique Mageia distro.
+
+It is probably not the right time now to divide the group and lose the
+focus on organizing the infrastructure and hardware.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> I think
+</I>&gt;<i> none of the MDKTrans group could travel to European conference (maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> someone), but even so we could contribute.
+</I>
+Well, I am able to travel around Europe more or less easily, since I
+live in the South of Spain. But I think I'm not the one to be in the
+board... and I also have a job.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 17:25, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we could just accept the fact that it could be pronounced differently,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> adopt the official Mageia pronunciation edict on the Wiki and just go with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, I did not mean to insist :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we meet at some place in the future and exchange our different
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Sounds of Mageia&quot;!
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+This sounds quite reasonable.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 17:30, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 atilla ontas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Im a lawyer, altough i dont know US or EU laws; i think it will be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> legal problem like Mandrake name case. We should immediately need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consider this. Also even name is not a legal matter than domain names
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could be give us headache.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it depends on the company and if there is an underpaid lawyer
+</I>&gt;<i> around (no offense meant, atilla).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A friend owning 'mobilix.de', dealing with Linux on mobile devices was
+</I>&gt;<i> sued by the company which has the right son the famous &quot;Asterix&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> comics, where the second main character is named &quot;Obelix&quot;. He lost the
+</I>&gt;<i> case all the way up to the highest court although comics have nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> in common with serious computer work (oh, ok, except UserFriendly)..
+</I>
+This makes sense as &quot;Mobilix&quot; is a coined cartooned character that was
+copywritten by the &quot;Asterix&quot; comic strip owners. However, I don't
+believe that you can copyright dictionary words such as &quot;mageia&quot;. You
+can complain though if your use of the word &quot;Mageia&quot; is in conflict with
+another use of &quot;Mageia&quot; that is close to your original registered use.
+For example, if mageia.com were a software/OS company, then their
+complaints may hold value. However, there is quite a difference between
+a minerals company and a linux software company. You would have a hard
+time convincing any person that Mageia.org was infringing and impacting
+your business. For that matter, any going concern (business) these days
+know that if you are going to set up a business and that you wish to use
+the internet, you register the TLD's (top level domain names) at the
+very outset. Therefore, if &quot;mageia.com&quot; were serious in using their web
+presence, they would have gobbled up the mageia.com/net/org/localized
+country name set. This was obviously not the case.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Thats an important issue. Is it a legal problem?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Mmmh, quite difficult to me to explain in english how it works in the legal system in france, but i'd like to specify that :
+- this is not important if differents websites are using the term of mageia ; it could be a problem only if its exists a trademark for the same/nearly the same activity.
+- mageia is a generic word that can be used by everybody, and even if it is protected by someone who registered it, this registration canot prohibit the usage for another activity
+- the registration of the term of mageia is in progress at the french administration called INPI
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+&gt;<i> Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 22:30:49, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thats an important issue. Is it a legal problem?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mmmh, quite difficult to me to explain in english how it works in the legal system in france, but i'd like to specify that :
+</I>&gt;<i> - this is not important if differents websites are using the term of mageia ; it could be a problem only if its exists a trademark for the same/nearly the same activity.
+</I>&gt;<i> - mageia is a generic word that can be used by everybody, and even if it is protected by someone who registered it, this registration canot prohibit the usage for another activity
+</I>&gt;<i> - the registration of the term of mageia is in progress at the french administration called INPI
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fredxx
+</I>
+Merci Fr&#233;d&#233;ric.
+
+This would then make &quot;Mageia.org&quot; a French business entity. Is the
+registration submitted called: &quot;Mageia.org&quot; or just &quot;Mageia&quot;?
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I am able to travel around Europe more or less easily, since I
+</I>&gt;<i> live in the South of Spain. But I think I'm not the one to be in the
+</I>&gt;<i> board... and I also have a job.
+</I>
+Same with me, I've been at this year's Fosdem on my own expenses and I
+have some time to spare, I'm retired :)
+But I'm not on the board either. :)
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+&gt;<i> Sorry if this looks like I am trying to hijack the thread.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could we all agree that Anne Nicola be the official spokesperson for the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project? If so, Anne could then add to her signature an appropriate
+</I>&gt;<i> title to reflect this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is pretty obvious on both of these threads that people have assumed that
+</I>&gt;<i> you would be the official spokesperson anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have also noticed that Anne has changed emails quite a few times. Is there
+</I>&gt;<i> anyway to start using the &#160;&quot; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">____ at mageia.org</A>&quot; email suffix and award Anne an
+</I>&gt;<i> appropriate project email? This will add more weight to her postings. This
+</I>&gt;<i> will give the project a big public boost.
+</I>
+I think this will be done anyway while the detailed setup commences.
+
+And I may send her a bottle of champaigne one of these days for her
+commitment. :)
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Emmanuel Andry&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eandry at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everybody !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A Mandriva's fork, at last !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A real community-driven Mandriva is what I was waiting for ages.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I offer my packaging skills to Mageia (Mandriva packager since 2005)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Emmanuel Andry
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Former Mandriva Packager
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Emmanuel!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome to Mageia!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please add yourself to <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ( Packaging )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>This is soo Sexy... I Wanna work here people... For the comunity
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+<PRE> El 21/09/10 15:35, Andr&#233; Machado escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> I'd have a insight: Mageia = Magic + Idea. Put a lamp in somewhere!
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>I have proposed this model:
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+, on the other hand, an idea, always a good concept.
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:30 AM, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/21 Per &#216;yvind Karlsen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Oh well, I fear that this I with this post and the proposition might
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; just be flamed to death no matter how sane and justified I may find
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; this that others might consider a flamebait pipedream, or perhaps just
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ignored which wouldn't surprise me that much either, but as there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; might just be slight chance of constructive discussion taking place
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and something of use to someone rather than a new round with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; distribution of blame and angry voices, I take my chances in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; spirit of the greater good for everyone. :o)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hmm, now here we have our old Per &#216;yvind back, while his person was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; occupied by a demon lately?
+</I>&gt;<i> Nah, he just rather felt the motivation and ideas about organization
+</I>&gt;<i> being too different and in contrast, getting in the way of any mutual
+</I>&gt;<i> goals and hopes, making them irrelevant. But I'd rather focus on
+</I>&gt;<i> bringing these in line and of mutual interest as well now rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> criticizing further. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What you propose makes the same sense as it made a couple of months
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ago, but the circumstances have changed a lot meanwhile. Yoou can't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; turn back the pages and read again like &quot;Forget what was, here is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; born again world&quot;. Now such a system as you suggest will depend not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; only on technical and economical questions as it was some time ago but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also on how much trust you can still have / want to have in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; current powers at Mandriva as well as how much motivation the makers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of this fork can show to cooperate with a company which has treated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them as seen in the previous months. This can only be answered by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; those people, not by any other.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, you and me both has managed to stay focused on and more care
+</I>&gt;<i> around the community part despite getting canned from the company
+</I>&gt;<i> since quite a while ago, and even both had our quarrels with some of
+</I>&gt;<i> the community as well, independent of our employment, we're still
+</I>&gt;<i> around. Personally I'd feel rather hypocritical otherwise as any
+</I>&gt;<i> claims and beliefs of mine about Mandriva Linux being a community
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution wouldn't be consistent with letting my professional
+</I>&gt;<i> relations interfer with community involvement. I'd experience it as if
+</I>&gt;<i> I were setting myself and my own personal feelings towards the
+</I>&gt;<i> employer in that context, especially if imposing it on the community
+</I>&gt;<i> and allow for it to dictate their direction..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also feel that the claim about all talents and core developers of
+</I>&gt;<i> the distribution being quite unfair to those people employed at
+</I>&gt;<i> Conectiva, which AFAIK still has more people despite all it's previous
+</I>&gt;<i> departures (which to my understanding most of likely wouldn't have
+</I>&gt;<i> left either under the current situation where remaining staff chose to
+</I>&gt;<i> stay) assigned to work on the community distribution than Edge-IT had
+</I>&gt;<i> when liquidated. This kinda suggests a notion of the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution and anything of importance revolves around these
+</I>&gt;<i> relatively few people at Edge-IT, and that the staff at Conectiva,
+</I>&gt;<i> despite being made up of more people, they're less important.. Same
+</I>&gt;<i> can be said for community contributors..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, is this the case? If it's not, then there shouldn't be anything in
+</I>&gt;<i> the way of continuing involvement in the community and help improve it
+</I>&gt;<i> and setting up a community organization together with and around it,
+</I>&gt;<i> after all, we're grownups and should know better than taking out our
+</I>&gt;<i> grudges on others..
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't really like implying such and feel uncomfortable about raising
+</I>&gt;<i> the questions, but there's several details concerning this that raises
+</I>&gt;<i> the question on where you're actually acting in the community's best
+</I>&gt;<i> interest or not, if your intentions really are, then I urge you to
+</I>&gt;<i> reconsider participate in this attempt on establishing a dialogue..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Certainly there can be other technical differences and desires
+</I>&gt;<i> motivating the fork as well, making it more desirable for both parties
+</I>&gt;<i> and allowing for them different focus and priorities without being at
+</I>&gt;<i> conflict, but this doesn't have to mean that a split has to happen in
+</I>&gt;<i> the community nor that we cannot work together on creating an
+</I>&gt;<i> organization together and collaborate rather than burning bridges and
+</I>&gt;<i> creating grounds for controversy and hostility. As the interest and
+</I>&gt;<i> desires expressed by Matthew and Unity Linux, and their efforts all
+</I>&gt;<i> along has shown, there is room for diversity and different focus while
+</I>&gt;<i> at the same time actively working on improving relations and how to
+</I>&gt;<i> better complement eachother.
+</I>&gt;<i> As there's obviously interest for these things in both the Unity and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva community, why wouldn't there be so in the Mageia community?
+</I>&gt;<i> If there's not, it wouldn't seem very professional of you, and
+</I>&gt;<i> certainly not community friendly nor in the community's best interest,
+</I>&gt;<i> would it?
+</I>&gt;<i> The official news and strategy announced by Mandriva certainly doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> seem to rumours on bad intentions threatening the community or the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution's future either, so that shouldn't be the concern
+</I>&gt;<i> either...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And of course it depends on how the powers at Mandriva (I do not mean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Laprevote but rather his peers) will see such an obligation, which it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be for them. Would they see it as a necessary move, I mean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; necessary for their plans, not ours? As we do not know their plans we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can't even speculate about that. I remember an investor talking to a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; former member of the Mandriva board, advising him to get rid of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; enduser community because they only keep the company away from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; important work. I don't say that all investors think like that, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's a good example.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then I guess we should be happy that investor is no longer on the board. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> But certainly with regards to the company and related to the changes
+</I>&gt;<i> in it's management, verifying their current position on the matter and
+</I>&gt;<i> ensure their actual interest would certainly be useful before assuming
+</I>&gt;<i> or expecting anything. If we have it and a good dialogue is
+</I>&gt;<i> established, then much can be done from there.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Of course, a Mandriva company which really means to carry out what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Laprevote mentioned in his motivation &quot;news&quot;, a Mandriva company which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; starts being communicative and transparent where it is possible, a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva company which starts doing what it always claimed to be their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; commitment (&quot;we are committed to the community&quot;), this could be a good
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; partner, /me thinks, day dreaming.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yupp, and we can only find out by giving the chance and try contribute
+</I>&gt;<i> to this ourself, it's a two-way street after all.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But as I wrote: I have no voice in this anyway.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yupp, but we can at least hope to influence in the best interest, for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia I personally didn't really have any real knowledge of before
+</I>&gt;<i> after it's announcement, so I'm not expecting to even have much of a
+</I>&gt;<i> voice in by myself, yet I'm hoping logic, reason and mutual benefits
+</I>&gt;<i> and goals will come out winning in the end.. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; BTW: I thought the chief in hugs was Fran&#231;ois Bancilhon? :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I'm his secret twin, and as he weren't granted this overwhelming
+</I>&gt;<i> responsibility at the first assembly meeting, he has to share the
+</I>&gt;<i> duties with me, tipsy or not. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Hugziez&amp;kizzez,
+</I>&gt;<i> Your BFF &lt;3
+</I>&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I am coming in a bit cold into this conversation. Frankly, I am not even
+clear on what this discussion is even trying to achieve, so please forgive
+me if I steer this off topic.
+
+What I think is being discussed here is the desire to join the various
+communities, at least on a certain level, in an attempt to make
+collaborative work easier, if not on a daily basis, then at least on a
+roadmap planning basis. Having been part of two MDV derivative developments,
+I have come to accept what I believe to be inherent truths governing any
+such effort:
+
+ - it is impossible to satisfy everyone all the time. As long as there are
+ multiple people involved in a community, there will always be diverging
+ opinions. In large part, it is these ideological disagreements which drive
+ the communities to fraction. Trying to get everyone on the same page is a
+ vein effort. The basis for any collaborative work has to be the underlying
+ understanding that people have their own reasons for doing what they want to
+ do. Others may not agree with those reasons. Those reasons may not even be
+ expressed clearly enough to formulate a proper opinion about them. The
+ bottom line is that communities have to accept this inevitability and work
+ with it instead of around it.
+ - nominal participation does not constitute joint development. It takes
+ more than just an occasional email or attendance of a meeting to claim that
+ there is &quot;participation&quot;.
+ - there must be numerous participants. Having just one or two delegates
+ simply does not provide enough penetration across the development
+ communities to be effective. For example, personal motives can come in the
+ way, availability of the delegate may be limited due to life events, etc. In
+ order to guarantee successful sharing across communities, there must be more
+ than a couple of people sharing the information.
+ - every participant on all sides must be empowered to contribute to the
+ decisions. Clearly, this has to be governed by some guidelines. Otherwise,
+ this may become a free-for-all mess. However, if the contributing members of
+ the individual distributions don't feel that they have influence over the
+ partner communities, then the entire communities will drift, or worst still,
+ rip apart.
+
+I am 100% for transparency in development and collaborative work. But I do
+feel that in order for any such efforts to be successful, the items on the
+above list have to be addressed first. In my mind, the success of any
+attempt to unite effort will depend on the success of addressing these
+topics first.
+
+Just my 2 cents,
+Paul (gri6507).
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+<PRE>'Twas brillig, and Romain d'Alverny at 21/09/10 17:35 did gyre and gimble:
+&gt;<i> I just won't welcome a Mandriva person into the first board at least.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Then, after some time, if Mandriva plans and behaviour confirm
+</I>&gt;<i> themselves, consolid and seem to match our roadmap and values, sure,
+</I>&gt;<i> we will welcome collaborators and share the fun - that's what
+</I>&gt;<i> collaboration is about.
+</I>
+I think this is a very reasonable stance to take. We need a clean break
+just now, but after a year, if Mandriva management has proved that it
+can participate in a true community-led project, then some form of
+participation in the board is an option to consider at that time.
+
+Like you said, trust is earned, not implied and I think this is a very
+reasonable way to deal with the issue over the next year.
+
+Col
+
+--
+
+Colin Guthrie
+cguthrie(at)mandriva.org
+<A HREF="http://colin.guthr.ie/">http://colin.guthr.ie/</A>
+
+Day Job:
+ Tribalogic Limited [<A HREF="http://www.tribalogic.net/">http://www.tribalogic.net/</A>]
+Open Source:
+ Mageia Contributor [<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/">http://www.mageia.org/</A>]
+ PulseAudio Hacker [<A HREF="http://www.pulseaudio.org/">http://www.pulseaudio.org/</A>]
+ Trac Hacker [<A HREF="http://trac.edgewall.org/">http://trac.edgewall.org/</A>]
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+ <B>Nuno Pinheiro</B>
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+<PRE>the logo is the font, the shape of the font.
+
+Thre is a more squared simplified version that simply uses the m, it could be
+seen in the kde launcher icon in previus mocks
+
+Here I do a big version of that so you guys can see how the logo could be
+iconified,
+
+PS the rabit is there just for fun and context its not part of the logo
+
+<A HREF="http://starturl.com/cshnn">http://starturl.com/cshnn</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://i0.simplest-image-">http://i0.simplest-image-</A>
+hosting.net/168bf183b2abe8bc9188aacc163dd507/rect6367.png
+
+cheers
+---
+oxygen guy, &quot;I make the pretty pictures&quot;
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+ <B>verdeterra</B>
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath,
+
+Just saw now, but the header of the wiki says that this format will be
+temporary. Maybe they will install mediawiki in the future.
+
+&quot;Mageia temporary wiki&quot; - &quot;This wiki is temporary, for setup purposes and
+contributions lists. It will be erased in the future&quot;.
+
+MacXi
+
+
+Em Ter 21 Set 2010, &#224;s 17:59:34, Wolfgang Bornath escreveu:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the software DokuWiki.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I made a text about wiki software &quot;DokuWiki&quot; in the wiki MandrivaBrasil:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are using DokuWiki as well on MandrivaUser.de so people should have
+</I>&gt;<i> no problems with that, German hepl text available in our wiki ;)
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+ <B>Sergio Fernandez</B>
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+<PRE> I was thinking about &quot;stewpot&quot;, but cauldron is basically the same.
+All depends in what kind of &quot;magic&quot; we're thinking about: (witch,
+magician, wizard, or druid).
+
+ Bah, is more than the same, the concept is the most important. I
+think cauldron sounds great.
+
+ Cheers
+
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+ Webmaster - Admin
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+
+ On Tue 21/09/10 09:54, &quot;patrick.2&quot; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">patrick.2 at laposte.net</A> wrote:
+ Le Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:47:17 +0200,
+ pomgest &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pomgest at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+ &gt; &quot;Cauldron&quot; is nice. It was my first thought.
+
+ It's so Nice :)
+
+ The name in grec is &quot;&#954;&#959;&#965;&#950;&#943;&#957;&#945;&quot; i think, it's not bad too.
+
+ --
+ Patrick.
+ envoye depuis le monde libre ...
+ par un Pc sous Mandriva 2011.0 ( cooker ) !
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+<PRE>Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like the for the distribution, the name have to be short, must not be an
+</I>&gt;<i> insult any of 6000 know languages in the universe and must not refer to
+</I>&gt;<i> another distribution to avoid mistake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First idea: cauldron, I'd like to be able to say &quot;oh yes, put the
+</I>&gt;<i> python egg into the cauldron&quot; ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second idea: mathetria, mean a disciple (female), not sure the word will
+</I>&gt;<i> please to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>/put is her feminist cloak
+And why female must the disciple ?
+/end of feminist time
+&gt;<i> Your ideas are welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll see according results how to choose one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>More seriously the cauldron idea is good. I love it.
+But there is only one point : sourcemage, a linux-distro, is already
+using the name for the build-iso system if I've read the site properly
+<A HREF="http://www.sourcemage.org/Cauldron/Main">http://www.sourcemage.org/Cauldron/Main</A>
+
+I think it wouldn't be a problem. We are all magician of linux
+
+My 2 cents
+
+Jehane
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to
+get out (and a lot of chocolate)
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+<PRE>Le 21/09/2010 10:56, Anshul Jain a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Jan Ciger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jan.ciger at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Guys, let's keep it pronounceable and easy to remember, shall we? It
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> will probably wind up in the names of mailing lists and web page and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> such and name that nobody can spell/pronounce correctly is no good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cooker was good from this point of view.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Things like &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot; are not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think, most people would have problems pronouncing hephaestus, at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> least not in Europe and America, since in the European languages there is some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> greek background to be found.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Most people in India, AFAIK will have a problem pronouncing
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;mathetria&quot; or &quot;hephaestus&quot;. Sticking to a Greek name which is also
+</I>&gt;<i> used in English would be better for users other than in
+</I>&gt;<i> Europe/America.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Anshul
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hephaistos, in old roman culture, was called Vulcan, more easy to
+pronounce (and write)
+And I guess all the linuxians fan of Star Trek will support this name.
+
+Jehane
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User
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+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000502.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000515.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000552.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001286.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001287.html">[Mageia-discuss] Fwd: Re: New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000457.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000468.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000480.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000359.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jorge F&#233;lez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000364.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jorge F&#233;lez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000398.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aur&#233;lien GOLL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000526.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000428.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000455.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000474.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000484.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000540.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000367.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000380.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000384.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000397.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000507.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000509.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000554.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000577.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001276.html">[Mageia-discuss] [ul-developers] Re: [Cooker] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Grinberg
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000505.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001277.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jostein Hauge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000391.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000445.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000372.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000406.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000392.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000451.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000465.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000469.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000472.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000478.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000482.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000485.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000542.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000354.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000390.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000439.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000434.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000393.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000341.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 49
+</A><A NAME="341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000587.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 80
+</A><A NAME="587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000339.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000563.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000500.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000362.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001288.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001289.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000377.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000350.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000453.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000456.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000356.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000463.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000358.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000374.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000531.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000332.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000365.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000368.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000369.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000443.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000446.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000449.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000499.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000578.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000592.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000601.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000603.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001282.html">[Mageia-discuss] just a bit more clarification on the concept
+</A><A NAME="1282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000338.html">[Mageia-discuss] Financial questions
+</A><A NAME="338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000422.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000442.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000396.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jure Repinc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000383.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000403.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Basilio Rosa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000459.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000503.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000329.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000340.html">[Mageia-discuss] Financial questions
+</A><A NAME="340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000399.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joel Simoes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000413.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joel Simoes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000402.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000418.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000333.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000348.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000487.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000432.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000394.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000408.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000410.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000420.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000464.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000494.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000496.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000497.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000510.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000525.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000528.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000360.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000330.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000492.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000534.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000589.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bersuit Vera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000373.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000416.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul De Vlieger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000425.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000419.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000441.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000438.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000477.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000504.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000508.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000361.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gettinther
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000597.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000375.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000385.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000400.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>alexandre lucazeau
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000353.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000349.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>pomgest
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001283.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="1283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>verdeterra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000370.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000371.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000476.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000481.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Sep 21 23:55:20 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:41 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 21 September 2010 Archive by date</title>
+ <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow">
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>21 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Sep 21 00:11:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Sep 21 23:55:20 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 286<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000329.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000330.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000332.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000333.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000339.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001282.html">[Mageia-discuss] just a bit more clarification on the concept
+</A><A NAME="1282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000337.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000338.html">[Mageia-discuss] Financial questions
+</A><A NAME="338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000340.html">[Mageia-discuss] Financial questions
+</A><A NAME="340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000341.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 49
+</A><A NAME="341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000342.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000343.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000344.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000345.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000347.html">[Mageia-discuss] Servers availables
+</A><A NAME="347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Fr&#233;d&#233;ric GOMEZ - MG Consultants
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000348.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000351.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000349.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>pomgest
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000350.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000352.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001286.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000353.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000354.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000356.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000362.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000357.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001287.html">[Mageia-discuss] Fwd: Re: New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000359.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jorge F&#233;lez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000358.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000360.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000361.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001288.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000363.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000365.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000364.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jorge F&#233;lez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000367.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000366.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000368.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000369.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000370.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000371.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000372.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000373.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000374.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000375.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001289.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000377.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000380.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000381.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000383.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000384.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000385.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000387.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000388.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000390.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000391.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000392.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000393.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000394.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000395.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000396.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000397.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000398.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aur&#233;lien GOLL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000399.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joel Simoes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000400.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>alexandre lucazeau
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000401.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000402.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jure Repinc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000403.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000406.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000407.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000408.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000409.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000410.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000411.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000412.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000413.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joel Simoes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001276.html">[Mageia-discuss] [ul-developers] Re: [Cooker] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Grinberg
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000416.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul De Vlieger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000418.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000419.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000420.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000425.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000421.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000422.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000426.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gerardo Bueno
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000428.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000429.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000431.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000432.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000434.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000439.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000435.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000436.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000438.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000441.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000442.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000443.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000445.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000446.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000449.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000451.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000453.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000455.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000456.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000457.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000462.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000459.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000461.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000463.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000464.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000465.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000468.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000466.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000500.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000469.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000471.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000472.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000474.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000475.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000480.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000476.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000477.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000478.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000483.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000481.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000482.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000484.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000485.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000486.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000487.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000490.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000491.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000492.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000493.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000494.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000496.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000497.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000505.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000499.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000502.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000503.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000504.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000507.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000508.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000509.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000510.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000515.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000517.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bersuit Vera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000519.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000525.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000526.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000528.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000531.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000534.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000537.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000538.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001277.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000540.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000542.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000545.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000546.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000547.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000552.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000553.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000554.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jostein Hauge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Basilio Rosa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000563.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000565.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Emmanuel Andry
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000576.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000578.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000577.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000587.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 80
+</A><A NAME="587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000584.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000589.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000592.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gettinther
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000596.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000601.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000603.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001283.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="1283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>verdeterra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000597.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000607.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Sep 21 23:55:20 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:41 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <h1>21 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Sep 21 00:11:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Sep 21 23:55:20 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 286<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000591.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000582.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthew Dawkins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000595.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gettinther
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000601.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jostein Hauge
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000504.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001277.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000565.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001276.html">[Mageia-discuss] [ul-developers] Re: [Cooker] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Grinberg
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000345.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000439.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000442.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000443.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000463.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000344.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000380.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000569.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000572.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000383.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000338.html">[Mageia-discuss] Financial questions
+</A><A NAME="338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000340.html">[Mageia-discuss] Financial questions
+</A><A NAME="340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000343.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001287.html">[Mageia-discuss] Fwd: Re: New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000339.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000568.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Emmanuel Andry
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000577.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001282.html">[Mageia-discuss] just a bit more clarification on the concept
+</A><A NAME="1282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000384.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000385.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000387.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000388.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000420.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000421.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000438.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000476.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000477.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000486.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000494.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000508.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000510.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bersuit Vera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000525.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000528.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000531.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000540.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000561.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000571.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000576.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000578.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000589.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000607.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000341.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 49
+</A><A NAME="341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000587.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 80
+</A><A NAME="587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000348.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000351.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000349.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>pomgest
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000350.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000352.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001286.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000353.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000354.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000356.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000362.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000357.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000359.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jorge F&#233;lez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000358.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000360.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000361.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001288.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000363.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000365.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000364.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jorge F&#233;lez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000367.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000366.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000368.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000369.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000371.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000372.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000373.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000374.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000375.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001289.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000377.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000381.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000390.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000391.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000392.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000393.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000394.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000395.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000396.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000397.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000398.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aur&#233;lien GOLL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000399.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joel Simoes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000400.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>alexandre lucazeau
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000401.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000402.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jure Repinc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000403.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000406.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000407.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000408.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000409.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000410.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000411.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000412.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000413.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joel Simoes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000416.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul De Vlieger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000418.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000419.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000425.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000426.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gerardo Bueno
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000428.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000434.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000435.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000441.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000445.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000449.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000451.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000453.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000455.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000456.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000457.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000462.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000459.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000461.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000464.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000465.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000468.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000466.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000500.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000469.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000471.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000472.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000474.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000475.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000480.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000478.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000483.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000481.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000482.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000484.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000485.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000487.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000490.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000492.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000496.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000497.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000505.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000499.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000502.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000503.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000507.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000515.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000517.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000519.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000526.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000534.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000542.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000545.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000552.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000422.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000429.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000431.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000432.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000436.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000329.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000330.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000332.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000333.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000342.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000370.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000491.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000493.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000509.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000537.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000538.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000546.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000547.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000553.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000554.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000592.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000596.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000603.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000446.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000566.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000563.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000347.html">[Mageia-discuss] Servers availables
+</A><A NAME="347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Fr&#233;d&#233;ric GOMEZ - MG Consultants
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Basilio Rosa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000584.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001283.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="1283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>verdeterra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000597.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000337.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Sep 21 23:55:20 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:41 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <h1>21 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Sep 21 00:11:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Sep 21 23:55:20 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 286<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285020703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000329.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285020703-01285021709- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000330.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285020703-01285025507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000332.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285020703-01285025507-01285026172- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000333.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285020703-01285025507-01285026172-01285038860- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000342.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285020703-01285025507-01285026172-01285038860-01285059129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000370.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285024505- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285024505-01285099102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000567.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David W. Hodgins
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049-01285101092- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000575.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049-01285101092-01285103405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000588.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049-01285101092-01285103538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049-01285101092-01285103538-01285104171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049-01285101092-01285103538-01285104244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049-01285101092-01285103538-01285104244-01285104644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049-01285101092-01285103538-01285104244-01285104644-01285105390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049-01285105568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285024505-01285099102-01285101049-01285105568-01285105725- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000606.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285024505-01285099102-01285104524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285027905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000339.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285028685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001282.html">[Mageia-discuss] just a bit more clarification on the concept
+</A><A NAME="1282">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nuno Pinheiro
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285028699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285028699-01285029135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285028699-01285053801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000347.html">[Mageia-discuss] Servers availables
+</A><A NAME="347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Fr&#233;d&#233;ric GOMEZ - MG Consultants
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285028699-01285063761- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000383.html">[Mageia-discuss] Codename suggestion
+</A><A NAME="383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285032087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Repositories: Was [UK user community?]
+</A><A NAME="336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285033028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000337.html">[Mageia-discuss] UK user community?
+</A><A NAME="337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285033102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000338.html">[Mageia-discuss] Financial questions
+</A><A NAME="338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285033102-01285035703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000340.html">[Mageia-discuss] Financial questions
+</A><A NAME="340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285038838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000341.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 49
+</A><A NAME="341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>LinuxBSDos.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285039267- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000343.html">[Mageia-discuss] Futur Mirror manangement for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285042676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000344.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285045122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000345.html">[Mageia-discuss] A little attention please
+</A><A NAME="345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285046799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285046799-01285054916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285054890- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000348.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285055136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000351.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285055136-01285056422- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000359.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jorge F&#233;lez
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000401.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000469.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083515- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000471.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000475.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781-01285084265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000482.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781-01285084265-01285086129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000505.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781-01285084265-01285086129-01285088777- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000517.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781-01285084265-01285086129-01285088777-01285093165- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000543.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781-01285084265-01285086129-01285088777-01285093165-01285093494- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000545.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781-01285084265-01285086129-01285093101- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000542.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781-01285084265-01285086918- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000503.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781-01285084265-01285086918-01285091109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000533.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055136-01285070724-01285083480-01285083781-01285086130- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000499.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285055237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000349.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>pomgest
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285055237-01285055655- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000353.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>patrick.2
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285055271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000350.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000352.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000354.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000356.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000360.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000363.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285057903- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000365.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285057903-01285058420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000367.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000364.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jorge F&#233;lez
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000366.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058545-01285059381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000372.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anshul Jain
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058545-01285059381-01285061863- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001289.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1289">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058545-01285059381-01285061982- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000377.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058545-01285059381-01285061982-01285063311- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000381.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058545-01285059381-01285061982-01285063311-01285066514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000390.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000368.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058586-01285059001- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000369.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285056479-01285057736-01285058586-01285059001-01285059229- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000371.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056024-01285070801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000402.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056297- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000357.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yann Ciret
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285055806-01285056297-01285067821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000393.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000358.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000361.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000405.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000406.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681-01285072887- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000409.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681-01285072930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000410.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681-01285072930-01285073058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000412.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681-01285072930-01285085267- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000492.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681-01285072930-01285085267-01285085734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000497.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681-01285073524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000418.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681-01285073524-01285073854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000419.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681-01285073524-01285073854-01285073943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000425.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072681-01285073524-01285073854-01285077519- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000441.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285072748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000407.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285055271-01285055507-01285056437-01285056958-01285072394-01285073238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000413.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joel Simoes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285056274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000362.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285056274-01285059557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000373.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285054890-01285056274-01285066825- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000391.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285057010- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001288.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1288">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285054890-01285059653- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000374.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285054890-01285061074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000375.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285054890-01285067441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000392.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000394.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000395.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285072864- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000408.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285072864-01285073012- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000411.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285080391- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000451.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285080391-01285080941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000455.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285080391-01285080941-01285081702- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000459.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285080391-01285081986- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000461.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285080391-01285081986-01285082518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000464.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285080391-01285081986-01285082518-01285082863- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000466.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285080391-01285081986-01285082518-01285082863-01285083122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000500.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285067441-01285068077-01285068846-01285080391-01285081986-01285082659- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000465.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285067441-01285078271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000445.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285068917- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000396.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pacho Ramos
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285068917-01285069120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000397.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285054890-01285068917-01285069120-01285069610- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000398.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Aur&#233;lien GOLL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285068917-01285069120-01285069610-01285069898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000399.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Joel Simoes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285068917-01285069120-01285069610-01285070273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000400.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>alexandre lucazeau
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285068917-01285069120-01285069610-01285070273-01285075967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000434.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285068917-01285069120-01285069610-01285070273-01285075967-01285076490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000435.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285068917-01285069120-01285069610-01285070273-01285075967-01285076490-01285083687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000472.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285070988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000404.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jure Repinc
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285054890-01285071135- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000403.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285071135-01285073376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000416.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul De Vlieger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285054890-01285071135-01285073376-01285083866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000478.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285079198- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000449.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285054890-01285080787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000453.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285080787-01285080962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000456.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285054890-01285080787-01285080962-01285081520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000462.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285084373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000485.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Keller
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285054890-01285084711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000487.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285054890-01285084711-01285084788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000490.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285054890-01285084711-01285085564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000496.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285054890-01285084711-01285085564-01285091273- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000534.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285054890-01285084711-01285085564-01285091273-01285094039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000549.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285054890-01285086692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000502.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285054890-01285089929- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000526.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285054890-01285094230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000552.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285055546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001286.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1286">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285056420- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001287.html">[Mageia-discuss] Fwd: Re: New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1287">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285061442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000376.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285061442-01285073248- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001276.html">[Mageia-discuss] [ul-developers] Re: [Cooker] Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1276">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Grinberg
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285062179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Redy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285062179-01285062433- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285062179-01285062433-01285062496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000380.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285062179-01285062433-01285062496-01285065047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285063331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285063331-01285064078- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000384.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000388.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000420.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285074838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000427.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000438.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083553- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pierre Pmithrandir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083553-01285083713- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083553-01285083862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000477.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083553-01285083862-01285084590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000486.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000476.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000494.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000501.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000508.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484-01285090112- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484-01285090112-01285092234- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000540.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484-01285090112-01285092234-01285104886- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484-01285090112-01285092234-01285104886-01285105922- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000607.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484-01285090194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000528.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484-01285090194-01285091074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484-01285090194-01285091074-01285091579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000536.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484-01285090194-01285091074-01285091579-01285092122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000539.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088295-01285089038-01285089484-01285090194-01285091074-01285091579-01285092122-01285103496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000589.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088397- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088397-01285089331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285087800-01285088397-01285089331-01285089809- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000525.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285088113- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000510.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285088113-01285088663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285088113-01285088663-01285088966- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bersuit Vera
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285088113-01285088663-01285089310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285088113-01285088663-01285089310-01285089497- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285088113-01285088663-01285089310-01285090215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285088113-01285090925- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000531.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285086625-01285088113-01285090925-01285091385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000535.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285087283- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073924-01285074138-01285077041-01285078112-01285078943-01285080904-01285082978-01285083800-01285085372-01285087283-01285088146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064078-01285065043-01285073474-01285073997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000421.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285063331-01285064309- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000385.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285063331-01285064309-01285064607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285063331-01285064309-01285064607-01285064780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000387.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285063331-01285073343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285063331-01285073343-01285074073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285073296- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285073296-01285075324- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285073296-01285075324-01285075963- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285073296-01285075324-01285075963-01285076967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285073296-01285075324-01285075963-01285076967-01285077447- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285073296-01285075324-01285075963-01285076967-01285077447-01285078369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000446.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285073296-01285075324-01285075963-01285076967-01285077447-01285078369-01285078508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000447.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285073296-01285075324-01285075963-01285076967-01285077447-01285078369-01285078508-01285079493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000450.html">[Mageia-discuss] Re : Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 58
+</A><A NAME="450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285074058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000422.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285074058-01285075147- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000429.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285074058-01285075506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000431.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285074058-01285075626- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000432.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Bernard Siaud alias Troumad
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285074058-01285075626-01285076943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000436.html">[Mageia-discuss] openSUSE offer of build system
+</A><A NAME="436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285074402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000426.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gerardo Bueno
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285074402-01285075146- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000428.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285076177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000439.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285076177-01285077812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000442.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285076177-01285077996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000443.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285076177-01285082506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000463.html">[Mageia-discuss] An introduction from a Marketing guy
+</A><A NAME="463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285080477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000452.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285080477-01285081455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285080477-01285081455-01285081878- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285080477-01285081455-01285081878-01285085510- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285080477-01285081455-01285081878-01285085510-01285086026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Registering domains
+</A><A NAME="498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285081178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000457.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285082736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000468.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285082736-01285083726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000474.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285082736-01285083726-01285083971- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000483.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285082736-01285083726-01285083971-01285084127- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000481.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285082736-01285083726-01285083971-01285084274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000484.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285082736-01285083726-01285083971-01285084274-01285087526- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000507.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285082736-01285083726-01285083971-01285084274-01285087526-01285088549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000515.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285082736-01285083726-01285083971-01285084274-01285087526-01285088549-01285089038- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000519.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285083800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000480.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285084999- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000491.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285085305- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000493.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285085305-01285087953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000509.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285085305-01285087953-01285091584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000537.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285085305-01285087953-01285091584-01285091734- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000538.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285085305-01285087953-01285091584-01285091734-01285095839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000558.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285085305-01285087953-01285091584-01285091734-01285095839-01285098795- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000565.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285085305-01285087953-01285093099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000541.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285085305-01285087953-01285093099-01285093726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000547.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285085305-01285087953-01285093099-01285094454- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000554.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285085305-01285087953-01285093632- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000546.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285085305-01285087953-01285093632-01285094242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000553.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285085305-01285087953-01285093632-01285094242-01285103767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000592.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285085305-01285087953-01285093632-01285094242-01285103767-01285104336- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000596.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285085305-01285087953-01285093632-01285094242-01285103767-01285104336-01285104889- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000603.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285086931- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000504.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285086931-01285090231- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000530.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285086931-01285090231-01285094772- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000557.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jostein Hauge
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285086931-01285090231-01285094772-01285096929- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000562.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285086931-01285092178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001277.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1277">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Colin Guthrie
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285093395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285093395-01285098581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000564.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285093895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285093895-01285095919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000559.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Basilio Rosa
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285093895-01285102285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000581.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285093895-01285102285-01285102561- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285093895-01285102380- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285093895-01285102380-01285104474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285093895-01285102380-01285104474-01285106120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285093895-01285103924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000583.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285093895-01285103924-01285102774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000584.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285093895-01285103924-01285102774-01285105411- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001283.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="1283">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>verdeterra
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285094052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285094052-01285094499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285094143- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
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+ <B>Jochen Sch&#246;nfelder</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BOT%5D%20pronounciation&In-Reply-To=%3C20100922000635.5659a58e%40excalibur.kollektiv-hamburg.de%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation">arisel at arisel.de
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+
+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:53:15 +0200
+Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; With a little remark there: mp3 had not been invented back at those times,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so nobody really knows what Hellenic (&quot;greek&quot;[1] ) sounded back in past. So
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we presume that modern greek is the closest to the ancient language's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pronounciation [2].
+</I>
+Sorry to comment on this, and please don't nobody start a flame on this,
+but as I'm living in an area of the world where this argument obviously isn't
+true, I'd like to give some background on this:
+
+- I'm a German native speaker, where the pronunciation sounds like *well*
+ German :)
+- the &quot;old dialect&quot; which is a form of &quot;Plattdeutsch&quot; here sounds way more close
+ to English for certain letters.
+
+The discussion of pronunciation of ancient Greek seems rather lengthy to me,
+but those two links suggest that there also might be several changes in
+pronunciation during the last few thousand years, as is the case also in most
+other languages:
+
+- <A HREF="http://www.foundalis.com/lan/grkalpha.htm">http://www.foundalis.com/lan/grkalpha.htm</A>
+- <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_phonology#Onomatopoeic_words">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_phonology#Onomatopoeic_words</A>
+
+So.. just let everyone pronounce it as he thinks.. :) (as already suggested
+elsewhere :)
+
+
+cheers! :)
+
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+<PRE>Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 23:48:45, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> This would then make &quot;Mageia.org&quot; a French business entity. Is the
+</I>&gt;<i> registration submitted called: &quot;Mageia.org&quot; or just &quot;Mageia&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+in fact, when you register a name in france, you can use the domain names you want : dot com, dot org, and so on...
+Sure, when you are a company, you rent all the domains you want to use, but now, the trademark &quot;Mageia&quot; is already registred for the global activity.
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+ <B>miodragz</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 82">miodragz at linuxo.org
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+if need help with hardware testing and translation i m for and contact me.Writing post without any sens is losing time now is time for work boys and girls
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+ <B>Chris Ellis</B>
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+<PRE>Hi all
+
+I've been a long time Mandriva advocate. I'm glad to see this move to
+create a more stable future and hopefully provide a stronger vision
+and direction.
+
+I wish to offer my skills and time towards this project, however I'm a
+newbie when it comes to packaging.
+
+My skills mainly focus around: Java (specifically web applications)
+and PostgreSQL development. I also dabble in system administration,
+mainly working with Apache HTTP, Apache Tomcat. Recently I've started
+building some RPM's to deploy software easier on the systems I'm
+responsible for, I'm by no means an expert at the moment.
+
+I'm very willing to get involved with the packaging side of:
+PostgreSQL and its extensions, Java applications, Apache HTTPD, Apache
+Tomcat and anything else which I can help with.
+
+I have a few machines I could setup as a build server, however I've
+currently only got a ADSL connection available.
+
+I'm a big supporter of Open Source and an active member of my local
+Linux User Group (Wolverhampton LUG, UK).
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+Chris Ellis
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+ from Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredux86 at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> in fact, when you register a name in france, you can use the domain names
+</I>&gt;<i> you want : dot com, dot org,
+</I>
+Ascusezmoisilvouplait, whe you register a domain in France the domain name
+ends in .fr and not .com.fr or .org.fr, just plain .fr
+
+You can of course register plain .com or .org, domains but those are not in
+France ;-3)
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron, who owns www.olgiati.fr and www.sfpd.fr .
+--
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+ when trying to design something completely foolproof
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+ -- Douglas Adams
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+<PRE>On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 05:11, Diego Bello &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dbello at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I think Romain has a lot to say here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> He knows the needs of the current Mandriva site so he can say
+</I>&gt;<i> if the best option is a CMS or a custom developed site (Symfony anybody?).
+</I>
+Well, yes and no. I can mostly relate what choice has been made at the time.
+
+We got several experiences with some CMSes that were not so good in that:
+ - web team was way too small to master the whole thing;
+ - editing pages was restricted by a limited set of templates;
+especially, a CMS could now allow to edit inline HTML, so fine-tuning
+the contents layout was a no-go;
+ - its ease-of-use for non-technical people was supposed to distribute
+editorial responsibility within the organization; in fact, very few
+people did it themselves, rather sent a mail to the webteam to
+integrate an open office document;
+ - its ease-of-use was too to help for translation process; that was
+partly true, it helped yes, to some extent (too small a team being the
+culprit, he, but making this way harder to manage in the end);
+ - no dedicated or available skills to maintain it (so many nightmares
+to fix common issues or upgrading it);
+ - performance issues under heavy loads;
+ - no apparent content strategy from one migration to the other
+(broken links &amp; redirection all around; missing contents; inconsistent
+design across the whole domain, etc. but that's another topic, yet).
+
+Not that I am complaining. These were great times and there were lots
+of good things to learn from these CMSes too (maybe not stable enough
+at the time or not properly mastered) but that was what was
+experienced. Goal was to improve on this.
+
+&gt;<i> I think the most important feature here is internationalization, cause
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia really needs to show itself to the world, and let me tell you
+</I>&gt;<i> the world doesn't speak English only.
+</I>
+Indeed. Now you have to take into account several things:
+ - you've got to decide whether you use a pivot language content tree
+or leave several language trees evolve on their own; that is, having a
+reference from which you translate/adapt everything, the process being
+more or less fast depending on your translation team; or, having an
+mutual agreement between all editors, and moving each language tree to
+its own pace; for a start, I would suggest the former (ie, having a
+reference tree to translate from), then adapt;
+ - translating, better, localizing a web site is not about only
+translating chunks of text; you sometimes need to rework pictures,
+labels, layouts, add/remove specific contents; so it may require
+several basic webmastering skills (editing HTML, working on graphics,
+understanding and coding CSS, bits of Javascript and so on);
+ - you've got to decide if you strive for a standard-looking website
+or if you want to apply a specific look and be able to fine-tune
+everything; again, that depends on your &quot;global&quot; web team capacity of
+production and maintenance;
+ - coordination of the localization process of the website is a huge
+task in itself;
+ - all your website does not necessarily have to rely on a single
+solution; you can have a blog platform here, a static set of files
+there, a drupal over there, a forum here, ad-hoc download platform
+there, etc. it really depends on several parameters;
+ - questions to ask are: what does Mageia do? why? how do we organize
+all this information? who produces/uses it? what should be the
+user/visitor experience/goal? what's the best tool for that?
+
+
+Now, back at the time (it was first drafter in early 2007 and went
+into prod in the fall of 2008), I wrote a very basic &quot;decorator&quot; web
+framework that let me build and design standalone HTML/PHP pages
+(against a set of CSS rules and a minimalist theme, to be revamped
+later with a graphics designer - didn't happen, sadly) in the old-way:
+files and directories. All this was versioned on a SVN (crucial part
+of the system) to allow for collaborative webmastering (I wouldn't
+call that editing as, again, it's not just updating chunks of text).
+
+This was only for the main &quot;institutional&quot; website (aka www/www2)
+where things are pretty static (a big update every 2 months or so,
+plus gradual improvements in the meantime). Around this connected a
+blog, a news feed (that could have been a blog), forums, wiki,
+support, download, e-commerce platforms, etc.
+
+It was far from perfect of course, but it was valid and working in
+that context and back at the time because:
+ - content was mostly static; few areas needed to have dynamic
+behaviour, and when it did, a small ad-hoc webapps system was
+available to take on that job;
+ - so you didn't really benefit from having a database;
+ - it proved effective for deploying a standard look to most of the
+distinct platforms, all from a single web service (top nav bar + basic
+CSS rules);
+ - pr&#233;suppos&#233; was that only webmaster-skilled people would manipulate
+it; and it would keep it away from people that would not care at all
+about the website global consistency (about information architecture,
+design, navigation, localization, content strategy, etc.); that was
+part of my job, actually;
+ - experience with Blogdrake translation team proved it more fluent
+than a conventional CMS (or so I thought), although there were lots of
+improvements to do (especially in direction and how we would have
+proceeded);
+ - there were interesting improvements to find (because, well, it's
+not an &quot;ideal&quot; solution), like, setting up a mixed templating system
+to help formatting standard pages across all locales;
+ - and in the end, because I felt more confident with a minimalist
+solution I could understand and manage with other translators than a
+big thing I couldn't;
+ - and it wasn't as stupid as that as other big web projects seemed to
+use a similar solution (which I learned through discussions that I
+freely inspired from too) for parts of their website.
+
+That was unpublished code, unfortunately (although it was in my
+plans), so I can't publish it. But I can redraft it, as it's pretty an
+easy architecture to reproduce and code is not that big. Most of the
+work is still, well, in how you design and build your website. No tool
+will write a good story for you.
+
+Now, things may be slightly different:
+ - I won't manage websites directly, but most likely coordinate and delegate;
+ - you certainly have better ideas.
+
+Sorry to be so long (ah, don't start me with that topic! ;-) ), just
+to state what I learned and think is important to take into account.
+You may want to use something like that too (or not).
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> This is soo Sexy... I Wanna work here people... For the comunity
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+Hola Ignacio!
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+Welcome! Join us please!
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+Salut,
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Ignacio Salcedo
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ignacio at ignacio-profile.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I have proposed this model:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> , on the other hand, an idea, always a good concept.
+</I>
+
+I like the concept. Maybe with a different font, though.
+
+
+Salut,
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+ <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:44 PM, miodragz &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">miodragz at linuxo.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> guys
+</I>&gt;<i> if need help with hardware testing and translation i m for and contact me.Writing post without any sens is losing time now is time for work boys and girls
+</I>
+
+Right now, you can join the area where you'd like to volunteer at
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/">http://mageia.org/wiki/</A>
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been a long time Mandriva advocate. &#160;I'm glad to see this move to
+</I>&gt;<i> create a more stable future and hopefully provide a stronger vision
+</I>&gt;<i> and direction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wish to offer my skills and time towards this project, however I'm a
+</I>&gt;<i> newbie when it comes to packaging.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My skills mainly focus around: Java (specifically web applications)
+</I>&gt;<i> and PostgreSQL development. &#160;I also dabble in system administration,
+</I>&gt;<i> mainly working with Apache HTTP, Apache Tomcat. &#160;Recently I've started
+</I>&gt;<i> building some RPM's to deploy software easier on the systems I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> responsible for, I'm by no means an expert at the moment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm very willing to get involved with the packaging side of:
+</I>&gt;<i> PostgreSQL and its extensions, Java applications, Apache HTTPD, Apache
+</I>&gt;<i> Tomcat and anything else which I can help with.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a few machines I could setup as a build server, however I've
+</I>&gt;<i> currently only got a ADSL connection available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm a big supporter of Open Source and an active member of my local
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux User Group (Wolverhampton LUG, UK).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris Ellis
+</I>
+
+Hi Chris!
+
+Please visit Mageia's wiki and join the areas of your interest:
+
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/">http://mageia.org/wiki/</A>
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>IMHO the next important steps are:
+
+1. disclosure about the temp board at the moment (unless the selection will be
+held very soon)
+2. disclosure about how the board will be chosen (or proposal)
+3. disclosure that community advisory input is wanted by the board members
+(eg: multipolls at certain times)
+4. disclosure about what types of help is still needed (eg: certain
+translations not on the list)
+5. a type of private communication for the boardmembers only to ease and speed
+up decision-making.
+
+(by disclosure i mean an official statement on the website in the next few days)
+
+I would like a mixture of fast decisions by a strong leader such as ennael
+combined with regular advisories from the community.
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+<PRE>* Lombard Marianne (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> /put is her feminist cloak
+</I>&gt;<i> And why female must the disciple ?
+</I>&gt;<i> /end of feminist time
+</I>
+The word for a man look like to less funny (matheteuo) and
+&quot;distribution&quot; in french is feminin word (I know english word don't have
+gender except ship).
+
+As I said, the idea can not please to everyone and we have enough any
+ideas for another name less chocking.
+
+--
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+ <B>Lawrence A Fossi</B>
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+<PRE>well some good news I think I did a few searches at
+<A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.copyright.gov/">http://www.copyright.gov/</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/patents/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/patents/index.jsp</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/ip/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/ip/index.jsp</A>
+All 4 have no results for mageia so it looks like he only has the rights to mageia.com and possibly the Isn't is magic he has on his website...
+no clue if any search would produce a result if pending.
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;LinuxBSDos.com&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">finid at linuxbsdos.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 3:58:33 PM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 80
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thats an important issue. Is it a legal problem?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 David W. Hodgins &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">davidwhodgins at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:15:05 -0400, Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">darkfoss at comst.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's inevitable that Mageia would be claimed on some accounts.. a quick
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Google turned up 1 US business 1 guy on Twitter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and a second with JA-Mageia..all on page 1 of the search
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home">http://sites.google.com/site/johnwellssr/home</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ouch! ?Is this a show stopper for the name mageia?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.com/">http://mageia.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The domain was registered in 2001, with the ownership hidden
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by Domains by Proxy. ?The sites.google.com, and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Recent Site Activity&quot; link on mageia.com shows it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being maintained by &quot;John Wells Sr&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Note that the logo consists of the site name in a stylized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> script, with the phrase &quot;Isn't it magic&quot;, as the &quot;future Web
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> home for Mageia Minerals of Chassell, Michigan&quot;. ?The site
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consists of a single page hosted on sites.google.com. ?The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recent activity indicates it was all created July 26th, 2010.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While mageia.org is not the same as mageia.com, I expect
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a lot of users are going to accidentally go to the wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> site.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is this going to be potential legal problem?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Could be. I think the team failed to do something very basic before they
+made a final decision on the name - mageia.org, mageia.com, mageia.net
+mageia.eu. Maybe they did and did not think it was something to fret
+about.
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+Hopefully it is not, but it does not look good from my end.
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>* Wolfgang Bornath (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder what is the difference between cooker and cauldron,
+</I>&gt;<i> pronociation-wise I mean.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C'mon, we are all not illiterate monkeys.
+</I>
+Of course, but we are not all good english speaker.
+And stop looking me when I said that ! :)
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+<PRE>well some good news I think I did a few searches at
+<A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.copyright.gov/">http://www.copyright.gov/</A>
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+<A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/ip/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/ip/index.jsp</A>
+All 4 have no results for mageia so it looks like he only has the rights to mageia.com and possibly the Isn't is magic he has on his website...
+no clue if any search would produce a result if pending.
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Wolfgang Bornath&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 4:30:44 PM
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+2010/9/21 atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Im a lawyer, altough i dont know US or EU laws; i think it will be a
+</I>&gt;<i> legal problem like Mandrake name case. We should immediately need to
+</I>&gt;<i> consider this. Also even name is not a legal matter than domain names
+</I>&gt;<i> could be give us headache.
+</I>
+Yes, it depends on the company and if there is an underpaid lawyer
+around (no offense meant, atilla).
+
+A friend owning 'mobilix.de', dealing with Linux on mobile devices was
+sued by the company which has the right son the famous &quot;Asterix&quot;
+comics, where the second main character is named &quot;Obelix&quot;. He lost the
+case all the way up to the highest court although comics have nothing
+in common with serious computer work (oh, ok, except UserFriendly)..
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+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 21 september 2010 18:35:18 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 21 September 2010 18:51, John Keller &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at johnkeller.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Also, I've already seen one comment on DistroWatch from an Islamic user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; saying that he wasn't going to be able to use Mageia because of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Quran's views on magic. I'm not sure if he was serious or not, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; certainly someone would be about that. I'm not suggesting we dig the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; hole any deeper, but at least if there's going to be a deal-breaker with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; strictly religious users, it probably won't be the name of the dev
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; branch.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think he has a misconception/a-bit-of-misinformation there; The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;magic&quot; that's mentioned and forbidden in the Quaran isn't the &quot;I get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a rabbit out of my hat so quickly you think I am magical&quot; kind, i.e.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not the hocus pocus / sleight of hand kind at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can i ask what _is_ referred to?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+On this list? no, you can't, because it's off-topic. (that is, if
+you're asking a genuine question in the first place).
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 19:18, Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ignacio at ignacio-profile.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have proposed this model:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> , on the other hand, an idea, always a good concept.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like the concept. Maybe with a different font, though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>This looks very nice. Me lo gusto mucho.
+
+Are the different logos being put up on the Mageia Flickr site? This
+looks like Ignacio's account.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>* Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>
+I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+
+Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+noise already.
+
+If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+post a sumarry here if need.
+
+I did learn a lot of words !
+
+I made some choice for you (sorry):
+- read your mail, then take decision according comment
+- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+ trademark, well know software, ...).
+
+My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+
+The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).
+
+# Abracadabra - Way too long
+Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+alchemy - hard to pronouce
+Baker
+bakery
+# blender - it is the name of a well know software
+brewery, brew - religious issue
+Bubbling
+campus
+cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+Chef
+concert
+crucible
+# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+Dreamspot
+edge
+elixir
+Enchantment
+fire
+fireworks
+foundry
+genesis
+harmony
+# Hephaestus - complicated
+Infusion
+kettle
+kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+Manna
+# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+mercury
+mill
+mixer
+Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+# Olympus - Camera trademark
+oven
+Pan
+# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+# pioneer - trademark
+Potion room - one uniq word would better
+# Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+Presto
+Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I suggest to avoid... :)
+quicksilver
+rookery
+# root - will cause mistake with the user
+stove
+Synergy - a free software
+# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+# Tea party - politics issue
+testing - like debian, no personnality
+transmutation
+twig
+# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+Vesuvius
+Vulcan
+Vulcano
+wok
+works - like Ms product ?
+
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+Olivier Thauvin
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 19:09, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 05:11, Diego Bello&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dbello at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think Romain has a lot to say here.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> He knows the needs of the current Mandriva site so he can say
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if the best option is a CMS or a custom developed site (Symfony anybody?).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, yes and no. I can mostly relate what choice has been made at the time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We got several experiences with some CMSes that were not so good in that:
+</I>&gt;<i> - web team was way too small to master the whole thing;
+</I>&gt;<i> - editing pages was restricted by a limited set of templates;
+</I>&gt;<i> especially, a CMS could now allow to edit inline HTML, so fine-tuning
+</I>&gt;<i> the contents layout was a no-go;
+</I>&gt;<i> - its ease-of-use for non-technical people was supposed to distribute
+</I>&gt;<i> editorial responsibility within the organization; in fact, very few
+</I>&gt;<i> people did it themselves, rather sent a mail to the webteam to
+</I>&gt;<i> integrate an open office document;
+</I>&gt;<i> - its ease-of-use was too to help for translation process; that was
+</I>&gt;<i> partly true, it helped yes, to some extent (too small a team being the
+</I>&gt;<i> culprit, he, but making this way harder to manage in the end);
+</I>&gt;<i> - no dedicated or available skills to maintain it (so many nightmares
+</I>&gt;<i> to fix common issues or upgrading it);
+</I>&gt;<i> - performance issues under heavy loads;
+</I>&gt;<i> - no apparent content strategy from one migration to the other
+</I>&gt;<i> (broken links&amp; redirection all around; missing contents; inconsistent
+</I>&gt;<i> design across the whole domain, etc. but that's another topic, yet).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not that I am complaining. These were great times and there were lots
+</I>&gt;<i> of good things to learn from these CMSes too (maybe not stable enough
+</I>&gt;<i> at the time or not properly mastered) but that was what was
+</I>&gt;<i> experienced. Goal was to improve on this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think the most important feature here is internationalization, cause
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia really needs to show itself to the world, and let me tell you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the world doesn't speak English only.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed. Now you have to take into account several things:
+</I>&gt;<i> - you've got to decide whether you use a pivot language content tree
+</I>&gt;<i> or leave several language trees evolve on their own; that is, having a
+</I>&gt;<i> reference from which you translate/adapt everything, the process being
+</I>&gt;<i> more or less fast depending on your translation team; or, having an
+</I>&gt;<i> mutual agreement between all editors, and moving each language tree to
+</I>&gt;<i> its own pace; for a start, I would suggest the former (ie, having a
+</I>&gt;<i> reference tree to translate from), then adapt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - translating, better, localizing a web site is not about only
+</I>&gt;<i> translating chunks of text; you sometimes need to rework pictures,
+</I>&gt;<i> labels, layouts, add/remove specific contents; so it may require
+</I>&gt;<i> several basic webmastering skills (editing HTML, working on graphics,
+</I>&gt;<i> understanding and coding CSS, bits of Javascript and so on);
+</I>&gt;<i> - you've got to decide if you strive for a standard-looking website
+</I>&gt;<i> or if you want to apply a specific look and be able to fine-tune
+</I>&gt;<i> everything; again, that depends on your &quot;global&quot; web team capacity of
+</I>&gt;<i> production and maintenance;
+</I>&gt;<i> - coordination of the localization process of the website is a huge
+</I>&gt;<i> task in itself;
+</I>&gt;<i> - all your website does not necessarily have to rely on a single
+</I>&gt;<i> solution; you can have a blog platform here, a static set of files
+</I>&gt;<i> there, a drupal over there, a forum here, ad-hoc download platform
+</I>&gt;<i> there, etc. it really depends on several parameters;
+</I>&gt;<i> - questions to ask are: what does Mageia do? why? how do we organize
+</I>&gt;<i> all this information? who produces/uses it? what should be the
+</I>&gt;<i> user/visitor experience/goal? what's the best tool for that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, back at the time (it was first drafter in early 2007 and went
+</I>&gt;<i> into prod in the fall of 2008), I wrote a very basic &quot;decorator&quot; web
+</I>&gt;<i> framework that let me build and design standalone HTML/PHP pages
+</I>&gt;<i> (against a set of CSS rules and a minimalist theme, to be revamped
+</I>&gt;<i> later with a graphics designer - didn't happen, sadly) in the old-way:
+</I>&gt;<i> files and directories. All this was versioned on a SVN (crucial part
+</I>&gt;<i> of the system) to allow for collaborative webmastering (I wouldn't
+</I>&gt;<i> call that editing as, again, it's not just updating chunks of text).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This was only for the main &quot;institutional&quot; website (aka www/www2)
+</I>&gt;<i> where things are pretty static (a big update every 2 months or so,
+</I>&gt;<i> plus gradual improvements in the meantime). Around this connected a
+</I>&gt;<i> blog, a news feed (that could have been a blog), forums, wiki,
+</I>&gt;<i> support, download, e-commerce platforms, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was far from perfect of course, but it was valid and working in
+</I>&gt;<i> that context and back at the time because:
+</I>&gt;<i> - content was mostly static; few areas needed to have dynamic
+</I>&gt;<i> behaviour, and when it did, a small ad-hoc webapps system was
+</I>&gt;<i> available to take on that job;
+</I>&gt;<i> - so you didn't really benefit from having a database;
+</I>&gt;<i> - it proved effective for deploying a standard look to most of the
+</I>&gt;<i> distinct platforms, all from a single web service (top nav bar + basic
+</I>&gt;<i> CSS rules);
+</I>&gt;<i> - pr&#233;suppos&#233; was that only webmaster-skilled people would manipulate
+</I>&gt;<i> it; and it would keep it away from people that would not care at all
+</I>&gt;<i> about the website global consistency (about information architecture,
+</I>&gt;<i> design, navigation, localization, content strategy, etc.); that was
+</I>&gt;<i> part of my job, actually;
+</I>&gt;<i> - experience with Blogdrake translation team proved it more fluent
+</I>&gt;<i> than a conventional CMS (or so I thought), although there were lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> improvements to do (especially in direction and how we would have
+</I>&gt;<i> proceeded);
+</I>&gt;<i> - there were interesting improvements to find (because, well, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> not an &quot;ideal&quot; solution), like, setting up a mixed templating system
+</I>&gt;<i> to help formatting standard pages across all locales;
+</I>&gt;<i> - and in the end, because I felt more confident with a minimalist
+</I>&gt;<i> solution I could understand and manage with other translators than a
+</I>&gt;<i> big thing I couldn't;
+</I>&gt;<i> - and it wasn't as stupid as that as other big web projects seemed to
+</I>&gt;<i> use a similar solution (which I learned through discussions that I
+</I>&gt;<i> freely inspired from too) for parts of their website.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was unpublished code, unfortunately (although it was in my
+</I>&gt;<i> plans), so I can't publish it. But I can redraft it, as it's pretty an
+</I>&gt;<i> easy architecture to reproduce and code is not that big. Most of the
+</I>&gt;<i> work is still, well, in how you design and build your website. No tool
+</I>&gt;<i> will write a good story for you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, things may be slightly different:
+</I>&gt;<i> - I won't manage websites directly, but most likely coordinate and delegate;
+</I>&gt;<i> - you certainly have better ideas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry to be so long (ah, don't start me with that topic! ;-) ), just
+</I>&gt;<i> to state what I learned and think is important to take into account.
+</I>&gt;<i> You may want to use something like that too (or not).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+Merci de ton explication Romain. Are you then going to be involved with
+the web design of the site(s)?
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior</B>
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+<PRE>Cauldron is a good name for the development version (testing) of mageia.
+The melting pot is used to cast spells.
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+I like!
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+Hugs,
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+Adjamilton J&#250;nior
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+2010/9/21 Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+</I>&gt;<i> noise already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+</I>&gt;<i> mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> post a sumarry here if need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did learn a lot of words !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I made some choice for you (sorry):
+</I>&gt;<i> - read your mail, then take decision according comment
+</I>&gt;<i> - check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+</I>&gt;<i> trademark, well know software, ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+</I>&gt;<i> in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find
+</I>&gt;<i> why).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # Abracadabra - Way too long
+</I>&gt;<i> Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+</I>&gt;<i> alchemy - hard to pronouce
+</I>&gt;<i> Baker
+</I>&gt;<i> bakery
+</I>&gt;<i> # blender - it is the name of a well know software
+</I>&gt;<i> brewery, brew - religious issue
+</I>&gt;<i> Bubbling
+</I>&gt;<i> campus
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> Chef
+</I>&gt;<i> concert
+</I>&gt;<i> crucible
+</I>&gt;<i> # Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+</I>&gt;<i> Dreamspot
+</I>&gt;<i> edge
+</I>&gt;<i> elixir
+</I>&gt;<i> Enchantment
+</I>&gt;<i> fire
+</I>&gt;<i> fireworks
+</I>&gt;<i> foundry
+</I>&gt;<i> genesis
+</I>&gt;<i> harmony
+</I>&gt;<i> # Hephaestus - complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> Infusion
+</I>&gt;<i> kettle
+</I>&gt;<i> kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Manna
+</I>&gt;<i> # mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> # mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+</I>&gt;<i> mercury
+</I>&gt;<i> mill
+</I>&gt;<i> mixer
+</I>&gt;<i> Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+</I>&gt;<i> # Olympus - Camera trademark
+</I>&gt;<i> oven
+</I>&gt;<i> Pan
+</I>&gt;<i> # Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> # pioneer - trademark
+</I>&gt;<i> Potion room - one uniq word would better
+</I>&gt;<i> # Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+</I>&gt;<i> Presto
+</I>&gt;<i> Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest to avoid... :)
+</I>&gt;<i> quicksilver
+</I>&gt;<i> rookery
+</I>&gt;<i> # root - will cause mistake with the user
+</I>&gt;<i> stove
+</I>&gt;<i> Synergy - a free software
+</I>&gt;<i> # Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+</I>&gt;<i> # Tea party - politics issue
+</I>&gt;<i> testing - like debian, no personnality
+</I>&gt;<i> transmutation
+</I>&gt;<i> twig
+</I>&gt;<i> # unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+</I>&gt;<i> Vesuvius
+</I>&gt;<i> Vulcan
+</I>&gt;<i> Vulcano
+</I>&gt;<i> wok
+</I>&gt;<i> works - like Ms product ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS - LATMOS
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+ <B>Graham Lauder</B>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 22 Sep 2010 11:18:18 Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ignacio at ignacio-profile.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have proposed this model:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N2">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N2</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4/ , on the other hand, an idea, always a good concept.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like the concept. Maybe with a different font, though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>
+I've added some proposals
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5012754619/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5012754619/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+This uses a font with an open license
+
+a variation on the theme
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5013425298/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5013425298/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+
+and the logo in isolation without text
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5013358702/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5013358702/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
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+Cheers
+GL
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+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, gettinther wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I cannot fathom why Mandriva should be involved so deeply so early in
+</I>&gt;<i> the project life.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess I was more expecting Mageia to plan their future first
+</I>&gt;<i> independently and only then approach Mandriva for a possible
+</I>&gt;<i> partnership on equal terms, not the other way around. I do believe
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia must first decide by itself what it wants to be before pulling
+</I>&gt;<i> other entities.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There will be always time for Mandriva, Suse, Fedora or even Debian to
+</I>&gt;<i> join the foundation if they so wish, no?
+</I>
+I have just read through the whole debate/argument on cooker with the
+Mandriva CEO and I must say that if anything it has confirmed to me that
+the fork was the right thing to do.
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+Yes, Mageia would benefit in some ways from a partnership with Mandriva
+since Mandriva would provide the servers/hosting/bandwidth but the cost
+to pay in terms of dependence would be unacceptable.
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+Comparing a potential Mageia/Mandriva partnership with Fedora/Redhat is
+laughable since Mandriva is absolutely not comparable to Redhat (a solid
+profit making company that understands the value of the community).
+
+I hope Mageia proceeds with the plan as laid out in the original
+statement on the web site, particularly the following bit:
+
+&quot;Mageia is a community project: it will not depend on the fate of a
+particular company.&quot;
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+Should this objective be broken, then I won't be part of the fork
+anymore (I know I won't be missed but I'm only stating my POV here).
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 21:23, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 22 Sep 2010 11:18:18 Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Ignacio Salcedo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ignacio at ignacio-profile.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have proposed this model:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N2">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N2</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4/ , on the other hand, an idea, always a good concept.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like the concept. Maybe with a different font, though.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've added some proposals
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5012754619/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5012754619/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> This uses a font with an open license
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> a variation on the theme
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5013425298/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5013425298/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and the logo in isolation without text
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5013358702/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54158977@N02/5013358702/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Looks great! I couldn't see it on the Mageia Flickr site.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</A>
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 16:19, Ignacio Salcedo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> El 21/09/10 15:35, Andr&#233; Machado escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd have a insight: Mageia = Magic + Idea. Put a lamp in somewhere!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have proposed this model:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> , on the other hand, an idea, always a good concept.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>
+Ignacio, could you upload your logo on the Mageia Flickr account. That's
+where the other logos are represented.
+
+Gracias!
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+Marc
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+<PRE>On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can perfectly understand the reasons why that's the case when the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; developers are full-time employees and do the work as a job, but this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; shouldn't and mustn't be the case in a non-profit community project
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; where everyone is in it for the fun.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In this scenario devs are normally users themselves too, and even for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their own satisfaction it should be natural that they at least
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; occasionally check user reactions to what they develop, by spending some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; time on forums (at least reading through them).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's a very idealistic point of view and I'd really like to read a
+</I>&gt;<i> developper's opinion on that. Because IIRC it was really a free
+</I>&gt;<i> developper who told me that developpers do not need users because they
+</I>&gt;<i> are developping for their own needs in the first place (I reasoned
+</I>&gt;<i> that users and developpers are needing each other as 2 parts in a
+</I>&gt;<i> shared system). And it was another who told me that he'd rather spend
+</I>&gt;<i> his time working on a problem than reading all that user stuff in the
+</I>&gt;<i> forums. No employees!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I wish you were right.
+</I>
+I realise that what i described might not be the case in every FOSS
+project or not in even in the majority, but it isn't just wishful
+thinking, I know it is reality in some projects (even large projects).
+
+For example in the XBMC project (which is very large too), several
+devs partecipate occasionally in end-user threads on the XBMC forum and
+the interaction works very well as the devs are marked as such on the
+forum so the interaction is normally very respectful.
+This benefits boths sides as the devs stay in touch with what the users
+think about new features or issues and the users benefit from an insight
+into the thinking that lead to specific design choices.
+
+I think the reason this works well on the XBMC project is because the
+devs themselves use a section of the forum to communicate among
+themselves (rather than a ML) and therefore since they are on the forum
+anyway, it's not a big effort for them to have a look at the active
+end-user threads, too.
+
+While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
+and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
+reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
+post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
+bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I have just read through the whole debate/argument on cooker with the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva CEO and I must say that if anything it has confirmed to me that
+</I>&gt;<i> the fork was the right thing to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, Mageia would benefit in some ways from a partnership with Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> since Mandriva would provide the servers/hosting/bandwidth but the cost
+</I>&gt;<i> to pay in terms of dependence would be unacceptable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comparing a potential Mageia/Mandriva partnership with Fedora/Redhat is
+</I>&gt;<i> laughable since Mandriva is absolutely not comparable to Redhat (a solid
+</I>&gt;<i> profit making company that understands the value of the community).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope Mageia proceeds with the plan as laid out in the original
+</I>&gt;<i> statement on the web site, particularly the following bit:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia is a community project: it will not depend on the fate of a
+</I>&gt;<i> particular company.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should this objective be broken, then I won't be part of the fork
+</I>&gt;<i> anymore (I know I won't be missed but I'm only stating my POV here).
+</I>
+I don't think the server space will be a big issue when reading the
+offers from different individuals/companies who have offered help.
+
+At issue would be a possible partnership/link with Mandriva which at
+this point is most likely not a good time to suggest one. There should
+be a cooling period and time will do wonders in cooling down opinions
+and tempers.
+
+Mageia is obviously standing on its own two feet and ready to run with
+the big boys.
+
+Mageia is a community project, and, yes, we would miss you if you left.
+No problem with having difference of opinions. Difference of opinions
+should not lead to family breakups. Instead, it should add a little
+spice in our lives.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I realise that what i described might not be the case in every FOSS
+</I>&gt;<i> project or not in even in the majority, but it isn't just wishful
+</I>&gt;<i> thinking, I know it is reality in some projects (even large projects).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example in the XBMC project (which is very large too), several
+</I>&gt;<i> devs partecipate occasionally in end-user threads on the XBMC forum and
+</I>&gt;<i> the interaction works very well as the devs are marked as such on the
+</I>&gt;<i> forum so the interaction is normally very respectful.
+</I>&gt;<i> This benefits boths sides as the devs stay in touch with what the users
+</I>&gt;<i> think about new features or issues and the users benefit from an insight
+</I>&gt;<i> into the thinking that lead to specific design choices.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the reason this works well on the XBMC project is because the
+</I>&gt;<i> devs themselves use a section of the forum to communicate among
+</I>&gt;<i> themselves (rather than a ML) and therefore since they are on the forum
+</I>&gt;<i> anyway, it's not a big effort for them to have a look at the active
+</I>&gt;<i> end-user threads, too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
+</I>&gt;<i> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
+</I>&gt;<i> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
+</I>&gt;<i> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.
+</I>
+If you are talking about transparency with group discussions, ideally,
+this would be something that would happen in any group. However, I think
+that we are also realistic in knowing that there are some occasions when
+private group discussions are best for the sake of production.
+
+Common sense should prevail and avoiding any situation where there is a
+smacking of elitism or group discussion behind closed doors should be
+avoided.
+
+Optimistically, it looks like we are all here to work in a cooperative
+environment. We just need to keep working at this and remind ourselves
+often of our community commitments.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> * Lombard Marianne (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 21/09/2010 09:41, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /put is her feminist cloak
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And why female must the disciple ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; /end of feminist time
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The word for a man look like to less funny (matheteuo) and
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;distribution&quot; in french is feminin word (I know english word don't have
+</I>&gt;<i> gender except ship).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I said, the idea can not please to everyone and we have enough any
+</I>&gt;<i> ideas for another name less chocking.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS - LATMOS
+</I>&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron gets my vote
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+<PRE>I just thought I would post a collection of sites available from the
+Mageia.org project that have been posted for users/developers. Note that
+other sites have been mentioned/suggested but do not have official
+Mageia.org project sanction yet.
+
+---------------
+Official Mageia sites (some of these may be temporary):
+---------------
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+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A> -- main Mageia website
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+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/">http://blog.mageia.org/</A> -- official news blog for Mageia
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+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start</A> -- Mageia
+contribution site. This where you will want to register your name to
+contribute to the Mageia project
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</A> --
+Flicker site for the Logo contest
+
+---------------
+Official Mageia Mailist: (found on the Mageia.org site)
+---------------
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/</A>
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+---------------
+Official Usenet discussion groups on Gmane:
+---------------
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+mageia-dev:
+<A HREF="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</A>
+<A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</A>
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+mageia-discuss:
+<A HREF="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</A>
+<A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</A>
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+<A HREF="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce</A>
+<A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce</A>
+
+
+---------------
+Official IRC Channels (Freenode network)
+---------------
+
+* #mageia (English), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia</A>
+* #mageia-dev (dev channel, English), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev</A>
+* #mageia-kde (KDE-specific channel), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-kde</A>
+* #mageia-br (Portugu&#234;s do Brasil), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-br</A>
+* #mageia-fi (Finnish), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fi</A>
+* #mageia-fr (fran&#231;ais), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-fr</A>
+* #mageia-es (Espa&#241;ol), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-es</A>
+* #mageia-it (Italiano), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-it</A>
+* #mageia-no (Nynorsk), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-no</A>
+* #mageia-ru (&#1056;&#1091;&#1089;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1081;), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-ru</A>
+* #mageia-uk (English), <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-uk</A>
+
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+<PRE> On 21/09/10 20:46, Jostein Hauge wrote:
+&gt;<i> Tysdag 21. september 2010 19.30.31 skreiv nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> company) would be a voice among others.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Well...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't see this over there at this time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> blog post is empty to me).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I completly agree with this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> anymore, I've lost any trust in them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nicolas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad
+</I>&gt;<i> feelings you might have about the Mandriva company.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If Lapr&#233;vote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should
+</I>&gt;<i> be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would
+</I>&gt;<i> love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make
+</I>&gt;<i> to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could
+</I>&gt;<i> indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration
+</I>&gt;<i> possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like
+</I>&gt;<i> a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Jostein Hauge (jess)
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+Well, I will second to put aside certain differences for the benefit of
+the community and create a stable environment in which we can work.
+I see absolutely no problem with Mageia or Mandriva coexisting, and in
+the process share as much infrastructure as possible to avoid doing it
+all over again.
+If we keep as much as we can of the infrastructure on community hands, I
+think this is feasible to achieve and it will secure the feedback loop
+into Mandriva we've missed from e.g PCLinuxOS. Also, a pure community
+based distribution is a great idea, as we're not always having the same
+goals as Mandriva S.A. Both would benefit from an arrangement like this.
+The community (Mageia) could serve the regular users, taking care of
+more personal needs and release a distro fitting these. And Mandriva
+could concentrate on becoming a direct competitor to Canonical and
+Redhat (possibly Novell or partners if they can work out the financial
+situation) and gain real foothold in the enterprise/SMB market. One of
+the prerequisites for this happen is of course that we acknowledge each
+others existence and collaborate. Meaning, we will all aid in the common
+development of Cooker, but be a completely independent entity from the
+company, making our own (community) decisions. But will still keep the
+good relations between us intact. So let's say Mandriva S.A funds (on of
+the donators, etc) the foundation which creates Mageia and thus securing
+their own interests through keeping the community alive, compensated for
+their contributions (which is very important to remember!). We'll leave
+if the situation is unsatisfactory (remember, we're highly independent
+people) and if a FLOSS project lacks the community it's doomed, so
+keeping us happy is the key to success. All this current pickering
+between former employees and current ones is just stupid and will damage
+both. So I say, let's call for a truce and work together in advocating
+FLOSS software.
+
+Sincerely,
+
+Olav Dahlum
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+<PRE>On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 13:16 -0700, Paul Willard wrote:
+&gt;<i> I hate timezone differences .. I miss all the action.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Clearly I am an advocate of using mandrivauser/mageiauser.org as I have:
+</I>&gt;<i> * 20,000 users already
+</I>&gt;<i> * years of experiences running a large board
+</I>&gt;<i> * Infrastructure providing by osuosl
+</I>&gt;<i> * a whole bunch of other good reasons.
+</I>Since you have a working setup on a free server hosted by a university,
+yours is the prime candidate for the Mageia forums. Starting up another
+web forum system would be a total waste of time and money.
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+I think you should add yourself to the Wiki and figure out how to get
+the mageia.org DNS changed so that forum.mageia.org points to your
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+Drakedalfa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">drakedalfa at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> I like cauldron too, i also like edge but against cauldron, this last
+</I>&gt;<i> sound better to mageia
+</I>I love cauldron too, very good Nanar ;)
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+&gt;<i> Well, I will second to put aside certain differences for the benefit of
+</I>&gt;<i> the community and create a stable environment in which we can work.
+</I>&gt;<i> I see absolutely no problem with Mageia or Mandriva coexisting, and in
+</I>&gt;<i> the process share as much infrastructure as possible to avoid doing it
+</I>&gt;<i> all over again.
+</I>&gt;<i> If we keep as much as we can of the infrastructure on community hands, I
+</I>&gt;<i> think this is feasible to achieve and it will secure the feedback loop
+</I>&gt;<i> into Mandriva we've missed from e.g PCLinuxOS. Also, a pure community
+</I>&gt;<i> based distribution is a great idea, as we're not always having the same
+</I>&gt;<i> goals as Mandriva S.A. Both would benefit from an arrangement like this.
+</I>&gt;<i> The community (Mageia) could serve the regular users, taking care of
+</I>&gt;<i> more personal needs and release a distro fitting these. And Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> could concentrate on becoming a direct competitor to Canonical and
+</I>&gt;<i> Redhat (possibly Novell or partners if they can work out the financial
+</I>&gt;<i> situation) and gain real foothold in the enterprise/SMB market. One of
+</I>&gt;<i> the prerequisites for this happen is of course that we acknowledge each
+</I>&gt;<i> others existence and collaborate. Meaning, we will all aid in the common
+</I>&gt;<i> development of Cooker, but be a completely independent entity from the
+</I>&gt;<i> company, making our own (community) decisions. But will still keep the
+</I>&gt;<i> good relations between us intact. So let's say Mandriva S.A funds (on of
+</I>&gt;<i> the donators, etc) the foundation which creates Mageia and thus securing
+</I>&gt;<i> their own interests through keeping the community alive, compensated for
+</I>&gt;<i> their contributions (which is very important to remember!). We'll leave
+</I>&gt;<i> if the situation is unsatisfactory (remember, we're highly independent
+</I>&gt;<i> people) and if a FLOSS project lacks the community it's doomed, so
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping us happy is the key to success. All this current pickering
+</I>&gt;<i> between former employees and current ones is just stupid and will damage
+</I>&gt;<i> both. So I say, let's call for a truce and work together in advocating
+</I>&gt;<i> FLOSS software.
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>i'm against cauldron or other two vowels included in a word name like
+&quot;au&quot;. We should use easy pronounced words as a name. From my point of
+view non-european language users wolud have problems. I suggest one of
+the other words mentioned in the list.Or may be just &quot;wand&quot; with
+magical touch?
+
+010/9/22 Sandro Cazzaniga &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:20:56 -0600,
+</I>&gt;<i> Drakedalfa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">drakedalfa at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like cauldron too, i also like edge but against cauldron, this last
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sound better to mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> I love cauldron too, very good Nanar ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;<i> Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
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+ <B>Thorsten van Lil</B>
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+<PRE>Am Mittwoch 22 September 2010, 08:28:41 schrieb atilla ontas:
+&gt;<i> i'm against cauldron or other two vowels included in a word name like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;au&quot;. We should use easy pronounced words as a name. From my point of
+</I>&gt;<i> view non-european language users wolud have problems. I suggest one of
+</I>&gt;<i> the other words mentioned in the list.Or may be just &quot;wand&quot; with
+</I>&gt;<i> magical touch?
+</I>
+Come on!
+Cauldron is a typical english word. The two vowels &quot;au&quot; are pronounced as one
+vowel. Like the name &quot;Paul&quot;. Maybe easier if we use the american way of
+writing: caldron?
+
+Regards,
+TeaAge
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 010/9/22 Sandro Cazzaniga &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:20:56 -0600,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Drakedalfa &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">drakedalfa at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I like cauldron too, i also like edge but against cauldron, this last
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; sound better to mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I love cauldron too, very good Nanar ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>Thorsten van Lil &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tvl83 at gmx.de</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> Am Mittwoch 22 September 2010, 08:28:41 schrieb atilla ontas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i'm against cauldron or other two vowels included in a word name like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;au&quot;. We should use easy pronounced words as a name. From my point of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; view non-european language users wolud have problems. I suggest one of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the other words mentioned in the list.Or may be just &quot;wand&quot; with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; magical touch?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Come on!
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron is a typical english word. The two vowels &quot;au&quot; are pronounced as
+</I>&gt;<i> one vowel. Like the name &quot;Paul&quot;. Maybe easier if we use the american way
+</I>&gt;<i> of writing: caldron?
+</I>
+Yes, we should consider how unpronouncible words like australia, austria,
+autumns and so on are...
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+&gt;<i> well some good news I think I did a few searches at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.copyright.gov/">http://www.copyright.gov/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/patents/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/patents/index.jsp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/ip/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/ip/index.jsp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> All 4 have no results for mageia so it looks like he only has the rights to
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.com and possibly the Isn't is magic he has on his website... no
+</I>&gt;<i> clue if any search would produce a result if pending.
+</I>
+It is possible to register a trademark using uspto.gov. The cost is between
+$275 and $325 per class. For a trademark like Mageia there are several classes
+in which it fits (let's say 3 classes), so the cost is between $825 and $975
+(just for US protection if i get it right)
+
+That a nice cost for a project that also needs servors, hosting, etc.
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+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
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+What's mean cooker ?
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+the program to install M* on drive
+or development version between two release ?
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+Hello,
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+cooker is the &quot; development version between two release&quot;, the time where we &quot;cooked&quot; a new version :)
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+<PRE>Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 22:05:24, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I'd have a insight: Mageia = Magic + Idea. Put a lamp in somewhere!
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+ I have a vague memory that the magic lamp is already the origine of the
+Debian logo...
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+<PRE>Le 21/09/2010 20:28, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Maurice Batey&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why does the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he">http://www.searchgodsword.org/lex/grk/view.cgi?number=3095he</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> pronunciation differ from others in here?!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe because it is run by a USA based christian organisation who
+</I>&gt;<i> focus on the bible while most people here who gave their prononciation
+</I>&gt;<i> are native Greek speakers ?
+</I>Because this thread is entitled &quot;what is the origin of the word mageia&quot;,
+I just add the following little piece of information. I had dinner
+yesterday in a very pleasant japanese restaurant in Paris, and, well,
+one of the participants was an erudite scholar, specialized in ancient
+greek. I asked him about &quot;mageia&quot;. He said it was a very interesting
+term, the origin of which is still much debated. It is generally thought
+to be linked to some proper names, like Machaon, a warrior on the side
+of the greeks in the Trojan War. Most interestingly Machaon was a valued
+surgeon and medic.
+My friend said that the root *&quot;mak-&quot;* (considered by philologists to be
+linked to both &quot;Machaon&quot; and &quot;mageia&quot;) was considered to be a derivative
+of a Persian word, meaning something like : *vault*, *protective vault*
+and in a more abstact derived meaning : *protective knowledge* (hence
+the link with Machaon a character mastering such protective knowledge
+as medecine and surgery and the drift toward the &quot;magic&quot; meaning).
+The debate about the word is not about what I just summarized, he said,
+but rather is this : &quot;are proper names like Machaon, for chararcters
+linked to protective knowledge, the origin of the term which then
+drifted to a common name like &quot;mageia&quot;, or, conversely was the common
+name mageia the primary term which then drifted to secondary proper
+names such as Machaon?&quot;
+Some notion of 'protective knowledge' for the proper name of a Linux
+project is perhaps not so bad, don't you think so ?
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+ <B>nicolas vigier</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad
+</I>&gt;<i> feelings you might have about the Mandriva company.
+</I>
+I'm not taking hostage anyone, just giving my opinion about those
+people.
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+Anyway, I don't trust them at all, so I would be very careful with what
+they're trying to do, but if Mandriva wants to contribute to Mageia
+like any other contributor, that's fine for me, and I think their
+contributions would be welcome, as long as they don't try to take control
+of the project to kill it or make it their own. That's what we should
+try to avoid I think, and stay independent from Mandriva or any other
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+Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 05:24:22, Olav Dahlum a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 21/09/10 20:46, Jostein Hauge wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Tysdag 21. september 2010 19.30.31 skreiv nicolas vigier:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I still think that we must do it. In such a foundation, Mandriva (the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; company) would be a voice among others.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Well...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; &gt;From my point of view (which I may share or not with many people from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; the pre-board team who can confirm/contradict me here):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 1. I don't trust Mandriva existing and coming management, neither
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; investors. Years spent over there as an employee, seeing things from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; the inside taught me that this company is, sadly, structurally broken,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; from the very top (investors) down to management and its practices -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; and for quite some time. Fixing it is an option, although very costly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; and requiring exceptionnal skills and commitment from management; I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; don't see this over there at this time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 2. Mandriva plans are non-existent at this time to me (yesterday's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; blog post is empty to me).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I completly agree with this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't want to have anything to do with current Mandriva management
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; anymore, I've lost any trust in them.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Nicolas
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please don't hold the Mandriva community hostage because of personal bad
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; feelings you might have about the Mandriva company.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If Lapr&#233;vote invites to collaboration to make a foundation, then this should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be looked into regardless of your personal feelings. I think most of us would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; love a solution like Fedora-Redhat.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The name Mageia and the foundation might be kept. But what good does it make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to have a new Cooker, new build system or bugzilla? If collaboration between
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva and Mageia is possible, then please collaborate.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When someone reach out a hand, don't turn your back on it. Instead you could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; indicate what you think would be needed in order to make collaboration
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; possible. Just saying 'no I wont collaborate at all' makes this look more like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a vendetta than a constructive initiative.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe this was a bit too harsh, but I guess you get the point :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Jostein Hauge (jess)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I will second to put aside certain differences for the benefit of
+</I>&gt;<i> the community and create a stable environment in which we can work.
+</I>&gt;<i> I see absolutely no problem with Mageia or Mandriva coexisting, and in
+</I>&gt;<i> the process share as much infrastructure as possible to avoid doing it
+</I>&gt;<i> all over again.
+</I>&gt;<i> If we keep as much as we can of the infrastructure on community hands, I
+</I>&gt;<i> think this is feasible to achieve and it will secure the feedback loop
+</I>&gt;<i> into Mandriva we've missed from e.g PCLinuxOS. Also, a pure community
+</I>&gt;<i> based distribution is a great idea, as we're not always having the same
+</I>&gt;<i> goals as Mandriva S.A. Both would benefit from an arrangement like this.
+</I>&gt;<i> The community (Mageia) could serve the regular users, taking care of
+</I>&gt;<i> more personal needs and release a distro fitting these. And Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> could concentrate on becoming a direct competitor to Canonical and
+</I>&gt;<i> Redhat (possibly Novell or partners if they can work out the financial
+</I>&gt;<i> situation) and gain real foothold in the enterprise/SMB market. One of
+</I>&gt;<i> the prerequisites for this happen is of course that we acknowledge each
+</I>&gt;<i> others existence and collaborate. Meaning, we will all aid in the common
+</I>&gt;<i> development of Cooker, but be a completely independent entity from the
+</I>&gt;<i> company, making our own (community) decisions. But will still keep the
+</I>&gt;<i> good relations between us intact. So let's say Mandriva S.A funds (on of
+</I>&gt;<i> the donators, etc) the foundation which creates Mageia and thus securing
+</I>&gt;<i> their own interests through keeping the community alive, compensated for
+</I>&gt;<i> their contributions (which is very important to remember!). We'll leave
+</I>&gt;<i> if the situation is unsatisfactory (remember, we're highly independent
+</I>&gt;<i> people) and if a FLOSS project lacks the community it's doomed, so
+</I>&gt;<i> keeping us happy is the key to success. All this current pickering
+</I>&gt;<i> between former employees and current ones is just stupid and will damage
+</I>&gt;<i> both. So I say, let's call for a truce and work together in advocating
+</I>&gt;<i> FLOSS software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I second that.
+
+Most agree that Mageia's destiny must now be in the hands of the community, and not depend on a company. Yes, but if said company is ready to act as a member of the community (like any of us but with maybe more means), and contribute to the project + do whatever it wants from the free distribution (corporate desktop, MDS, OEM products or anything else), then it's a win-win.
+
+And I pray again the former Edge-IT employees to avoid simply saying &quot;I don't want to have anything to do with Mandriva&quot;, but rather the more nuanced &quot;I don't want Mageia to depend on Mandriva&quot; !
+
+Na&#239;ve point of view of mine ?
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+Regards
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+Samuel Verschelde
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+Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i> I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+</I>&gt;<i> noise already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+</I>&gt;<i> mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> post a sumarry here if need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did learn a lot of words !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I made some choice for you (sorry):
+</I>&gt;<i> - read your mail, then take decision according comment
+</I>&gt;<i> - check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+</I>&gt;<i> trademark, well know software, ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+</I>&gt;<i> in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+</I>
+I was thinking pinguin lay eggs so I suggest simply :
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+nid
+
+I don't think it can cause trouble in any language but not sure, tell me.
+So Magieia developpement will born in a magic nid called mageia nid
+
+Do you agree ?
+
+--
+A.Sala&#252;n
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+ <B>Tonton</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:16 AM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Mail Original -----
+</I>&gt;<i> De: &quot;Tonton&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">to.tonton at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;: Mercredi 22 Septembre 2010 09h14:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin /
+</I>&gt;<i> Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+</I>&gt;<i> What's mean cooker ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> the program to install M* on drive
+</I>&gt;<i> or development version between two release ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cooker is the &quot; development version between two release&quot;, the time where we
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;cooked&quot; a new version :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>and you want keep the same
+not stable
+unstable
+or you will have cooker-stable
+
+now all distribution have depots where to get version of packadge
+does we will mix version between relase stable test
+and cazan-stable cazan-test for access a specifique packadge want to
+update?
+
+cazan is cauldron in roumanian
+like caldera in spanish
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+</I>&gt;<i> I was thinking pinguin lay eggs so I suggest simply :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> nid
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it can cause trouble in any language but not sure, tell me.
+</I>&gt;<i> So Magieia developpement will born in a magic nid called mageia nid
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you agree ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>or Cradle ?
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Most agree that Mageia's destiny must now be in the hands of the community, and not depend on a company. Yes, but if said company is ready to act as a member of the community (like any of us but with maybe more means), and contribute to the project + do whatever it wants from the free distribution (corporate desktop, MDS, OEM products or anything else), then it's a win-win.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I pray again the former Edge-IT employees to avoid simply saying &quot;I don't want to have anything to do with Mandriva&quot;, but rather the more nuanced &quot;I don't want Mageia to depend on Mandriva&quot; !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Na&#239;ve point of view of mine ?
+</I>
+Not at all. Our goal is to make Mageia a succes for community. And I
+guess we have work enough for now :).
+Cheers
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+<PRE> Hello all,
+Forking Mandriva is a good idea especially after the focus that Mandriva
+will give on servers, ignoring desktop users.
+I've just created my company to promote Mandriva desktop to small
+companies and individuals... bad choice :( !
+I think a good base for beginning might be using suggestions posted on
+mandriva.ideas and create a mageia.ideas more visible than mandriva's one.
+You will find there end users issues.
+Best wishes to the new born distro.
+A Mandrake/iva user since the beginning of the adventure.
+David.
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+<PRE>On 10/09/21 21:49 +0200, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; You will leave your newborn in the &quot;hands&quot; of the same company whose
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; lack of direction caused this situation?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe I'm a &quot;little&quot; paranoid, but i think we should listen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ex-employes / developers. They know the sh*t from the very inside.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ah, yes, two ex-employees / developers which were actively involved
+</I>&gt;<i> with the development of the distribution over so many years.. Uh, oh,
+</I>&gt;<i> wait, no they weren't.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm questioning whether they actually grasp all of the work required
+</I>&gt;<i> to put together a distribution. I also find it odd when I see
+</I>&gt;<i> statements from them on IRC which seems to be in conflict with others
+</I>&gt;<i> involved with this that they intend on going in a different direction
+</I>&gt;<i> independent of Mandriva. With all the people being brought aboard with
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia from the Mandriva Linux community, I find it hard to believe
+</I>&gt;<i> that there has been established a consensus about this with all of the
+</I>&gt;<i> people involved and that they really want to do everything on their
+</I>&gt;<i> own and not care about keeping relations or anything with what they've
+</I>&gt;<i> been involved with on actual community basis and over longer times
+</I>&gt;<i> than either of these two..
+</I>
+since you were not part of the discussion*s*, what you believe doesn't
+really matter. i can tell you that there is a consensus to release a
+community distribution. in fact, it was more of a consensus: it was the
+stated goal around which the rest of the project was born.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Are you guys *really* planning on doing the whole distribution on your
+</I>&gt;<i> own totally independent of Mandriva without any interest of
+</I>&gt;<i> collaborating?
+</I>
+yes. period.
+
+
+&gt;<i> To me, these responses of Romain and Nicolas seems to confirm all the
+</I>&gt;<i> questions I raised earlier in this thread, suggesting that the fork
+</I>&gt;<i> and their motivations are personal and not out of concern and care for
+</I>&gt;<i> the community, despite these motivations officially given. I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> there's a reason for why they avoided these critical questions raised
+</I>&gt;<i> towards them, and rather chose to attack constructive attempts at
+</I>&gt;<i> doing what's in the best interest of the community in stead.
+</I>
+i am just a contributor, who was part of the discussions before the
+launch of mageia. i am not a former mandriva/edge-it employee, but yet i
+totally agree with the various opinions stated here: currently, mandriva
+(the society) has failed to properly communicate with the community. we
+were never aware of what was going on, what were the plans, what were
+the goals, etc.
+
+please take that into account, and the frustration it created.
+
+now, do you really think that mandriva's ceo coming and saying &quot;guys you
+are right, let's create something together&quot; is to be taken seriously?
+
+so, for now, i think that mageia should start alone. it might be more
+difficult, but results will our owns, and what we'll manage to do from
+this situation. and if mandriva is really gueniously interested in a
+foundation, it will do whatever is needed to make sure mageia succeeds.
+in one year from now, we'll have a better view on what's going on, and
+if mandriva favors a real, independent community mentality (not to
+mention the fact that nerves will have settle).
+
+that is: we will judge mandriva for what it's doing, not it's saying.
+facts, not words.
+
+
+&gt;<i> But sure, I've only been actively involved with the development of
+</I>&gt;<i> this *community* distribution and on several other levels for a decade
+</I>&gt;<i> now, being amongst those involved for the longest time, while also
+</I>&gt;<i> being an ex-employee myself, I've primarily been active through the
+</I>&gt;<i> community independent of my employment nor imposing personal feelings
+</I>&gt;<i> towards company on the community. And I can also truly claim that I
+</I>&gt;<i> have an absolute full understanding of all the work an complexity
+</I>&gt;<i> involved in putting together the whole distribution and put tons of
+</I>&gt;<i> more hours into this on my sparetime and out of interest for
+</I>&gt;<i> contributing to the community, making me quite aware of the fact that
+</I>&gt;<i> you'll have a pretty darn hard time doing this and organizing the
+</I>&gt;<i> whole thing on your own.
+</I>
+good for you.
+
+but you know, this is a fork - we announced *our* decision, and people
+join *if*they*want*. i did not handle a gun over people to force them to
+come on various mageia mailing-lists and propose their help. it was
+their choice. you may not agree, but please respect their choice. same
+as i respect your choice: you prefer continuing with mandriva, fine. and
+i won't come and try to convince you over and over: we're grown-ups, and
+can make our opinion ourselve.
+
+
+&gt;<i> In all these claims about this being a community project and it being
+</I>&gt;<i> independent off people's employment and all, would you really find
+</I>&gt;<i> disgruntled ex-employees which has only been involved in this project
+</I>&gt;<i> through employment as the most trustworthy characters? How much time
+</I>&gt;<i> do they actually plan to invest themself into this project on their
+</I>&gt;<i> sparetime now that they're not employed by Mandriva?
+</I>
+this is none of your business. really.
+they will speak about that if they want, but otherwise, please stay away
+from their private life.
+
+
+&gt;<i> I can't really start telling how provoked I am over seeing this
+</I>&gt;<i> childish and truly community hostile attitude, or about the claims
+</I>&gt;<i> about through the liquidation of Edge-IT all of the talents and
+</I>&gt;<i> important people involved in development of the distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> disappearing, guess what, the majority of the staff working on the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution for quite some time has actually been employed at
+</I>&gt;<i> Conectiva, not Edge-IT!
+</I>
+once again: if you think it's better to follow up mandriva, then please
+do so. what we did was community-friendly: after having understood that
+a reconciliation could not be done at this moment, it's way better to
+say &quot;good-bye, we're going on our own&quot;, rather than rotting and
+spreading bad will / mood in the project.
+
+and who knows, maybe there will be a reconciliation later on. but i can
+tell you that it's not possible right now. trying to force a
+reconciliation won't work - it doesn't work like that.
+
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+j&#233;r&#244;me
+--
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>
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+ <B>neo67</B>
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+ <I>Wed Sep 22 11:04:54 CEST 2010</I>
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+
+also in Germany there starts a discussion about mandriva - mageia.
+PCLinuxOS, which was and is a good KDE distribution was/is based on
+mandriva and I think, that the PCLOS people thinks about their future
+with mandriva.
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+Is it not a good idea to ask texstar to build up a distribution, which
+contains pclos and the goals of mageia in one?
+Think about it. It make no sense, that there are hundreds of several
+distributions on the market....
+
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+--
+J&#252;rgen Ihlau
+aka neo67
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxmintusers.de">http://www.linuxmintusers.de</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.linuxation.de">http://www.linuxation.de</A>
+_O_
+__O
+OOO
+
+Wenn wir die Erleuchtung &#252;ber unsere Selbstbestimmung erhalten und
+diese Erleuchtung auf unseren freien Willen anwenden, sind wir in der
+Lage eine reife und fortschrittliche Gesellschaft zu schaffen, die
+&#252;ber den Egoismus, den Hochmut und der Illusion steigt, welche Feinde
+der Wahrheit sind. 13.11.2007: Annell Fontenot:
+<A HREF="http://nationalexpositor.com/News/664.html">http://nationalexpositor.com/News/664.html</A>
+&#160;&#8222;Wer in einem gewissen Alter nicht merkt, da&#223; er haupts&#228;chlich von
+Idioten umgeben ist, merkt es aus einem gewissen Grunde nicht.&#8220; ;-)
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+&gt;<i> Yes, we should consider how unpronouncible words like australia, austria,
+</I>&gt;<i> autumns and so on are...
+</I>
+Hey, we are trying to share opinions about what we named it. I
+explained my reason. We're not discussing about other language's
+words. As i don't offer any Turkish word. Just point out if there are
+difficulties about distro related names. As for me, also Mageia name
+is a problem alone. Just look at posts about pronouncation. Also, i
+haven't told you about Turkish fundementalist patriot users reactions
+about a Greek word, altough it is not problem for me and my friends, i
+don't against which language word have been choosen. Yesterday, some
+Mandriva Turkiye community asked me how they can pronounce new distro
+name, even any of them could not write it correctly. Those words are
+difficult to write or pronounce for my people, like you can't
+correctly pronounce Turkish or Arabic words. Thats only my personal
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+<PRE> On 22/09/10 10:38, Anne nicolas wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Most agree that Mageia's destiny must now be in the hands of the community, and not depend on a company. Yes, but if said company is ready to act as a member of the community (like any of us but with maybe more means), and contribute to the project + do whatever it wants from the free distribution (corporate desktop, MDS, OEM products or anything else), then it's a win-win.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And I pray again the former Edge-IT employees to avoid simply saying &quot;I don't want to have anything to do with Mandriva&quot;, but rather the more nuanced &quot;I don't want Mageia to depend on Mandriva&quot; !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Na&#239;ve point of view of mine ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Not at all. Our goal is to make Mageia a succes for community. And I
+</I>&gt;<i> guess we have work enough for now :).
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+So we agree on most things in this thread?
+
+-Olav.
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+<PRE>cazan? It sounds good because it is exactly same word in Turkish
+&quot;kazan&quot;. I vote for cazan.
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+OFFTOPIC: i think we have common words in Romanian and Turkish...
+
+2010/9/22 Tonton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">to.tonton at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:16 AM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----- Mail Original -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> De: &quot;Tonton&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">to.tonton at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#192;: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;: Mercredi 22 Septembre 2010 09h14:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What's mean cooker ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the program to install M* on drive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or development version between two release ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cooker is the &quot; development version between two release&quot;, the time where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we &quot;cooked&quot; a new version :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and you want keep the same
+</I>&gt;<i> not stable
+</I>&gt;<i> unstable
+</I>&gt;<i> or you will have cooker-stable
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now all distribution have depots where to get version of packadge
+</I>&gt;<i> does we will mix version between relase stable test
+</I>&gt;<i> and&#160; cazan-stable cazan-test for access a specifique packadge want to
+</I>&gt;<i> update?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cazan is cauldron in roumanian
+</I>&gt;<i> like caldera in spanish
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+If the fork is starting with the actual MDV 2010.1/Cooker distro as basis, that
+means I'm already the translator in Romanian language for Mageia :)
+So, this being said, I'm offering my skills and spare time to translate Mageia
+in Romanian language and form the Romanian Translation Team with this occasion.
+
+Well, I hope you guys will find an intelligent agreement with Mandriva SA and
+avoid us working twice for the translations. At this moment in time I find
+difficult to choose camps and renounce to all the work I've done in MDV. So I've
+decided to support both of them and let the sexiest and the coolest community
+win.
+
+So, where's the online translation interface and where I request a translator
+account?
+Languages: Romanian, English and French
+
+Cheers,
+Florin C&#259;t&#259;lin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
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+&gt;<i> Dear all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the fork is starting with the actual MDV 2010.1/Cooker distro as basis, that
+</I>&gt;<i> means I'm already the translator in Romanian language for Mageia :)
+</I>&gt;<i> So, this being said, I'm offering my skills and spare time to translate Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> in Romanian language and form the Romanian Translation Team with this occasion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I hope you guys will find an intelligent agreement with Mandriva SA and
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid us working twice for the translations. At this moment in time I find
+</I>&gt;<i> difficult to choose camps and renounce to all the work I've done in MDV. So I've
+</I>&gt;<i> decided to support both of them and let the sexiest and the coolest community
+</I>&gt;<i> win.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, where's the online translation interface and where I request a translator
+</I>&gt;<i> account?
+</I>&gt;<i> Languages: Romanian, English and French
+</I>
+infrastructure is in progress. You can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A>
+Thanks for your support
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin C&#259;t&#259;lin RUSSEN
+</I>&gt;<i> Romanian Translation Team
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 05:04, neo67 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also in Germany there starts a discussion about mandriva - mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, which was and is a good KDE distribution was/is based on
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva and I think, that the PCLOS people thinks about their future
+</I>&gt;<i> with mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it not a good idea to ask texstar to build up a distribution, which
+</I>&gt;<i> contains pclos and the goals of mageia in one?
+</I>&gt;<i> Think about it. It make no sense, that there are hundreds of several
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions on the market....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A good majority of the developers here are ex-Mandriva employees. You
+can find the list of people who are committed to the Mageia project
+here: <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start</A>
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+This will give you a better idea of how committed this effort is for
+those who want to join.
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+Marc
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+<PRE>He he, funny name, &quot;cazan&quot; means cauldron in Romanian, or &quot;marmite&quot; in French.
+
+Why not call it: SPARK
+
+Best regards,
+Florin C&#259;t&#259;lin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
+
+
+
+----- Original Message ----
+From: atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 11:08:19
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+
+cazan? It sounds good because it is exactly same word in Turkish
+&quot;kazan&quot;. I vote for cazan.
+
+
+OFFTOPIC: i think we have common words in Romanian and Turkish...
+
+2010/9/22 Tonton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">to.tonton at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:16 AM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----- Mail Original -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> De: &quot;Tonton&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">to.tonton at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#192;: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;: Mercredi 22 Septembre 2010 09h14:41 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> / Berne / Rome / Stockholm / Vienne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Objet: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What's mean cooker ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the program to install M* on drive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or development version between two release ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cooker is the &quot; development version between two release&quot;, the time where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we &quot;cooked&quot; a new version :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and you want keep the same
+</I>&gt;<i> not stable
+</I>&gt;<i> unstable
+</I>&gt;<i> or you will have cooker-stable
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now all distribution have depots where to get version of packadge
+</I>&gt;<i> does we will mix version between relase stable test
+</I>&gt;<i> and cazan-stable cazan-test for access a specifique packadge want to
+</I>&gt;<i> update?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cazan is cauldron in roumanian
+</I>&gt;<i> like caldera in spanish
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 23:28 -0700, atilla ontas wrote:
+&gt;<i> i'm against cauldron or other two vowels included in a word name like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;au&quot;. We should use easy pronounced words as a name. From my point of
+</I>&gt;<i> view non-european language users wolud have problems. I suggest one of
+</I>&gt;<i> the other words mentioned in the list.Or may be just &quot;wand&quot; with
+</I>&gt;<i> magical touch?
+</I>Hmm, maybe Austrians and Australians would agree that we aught to be
+cautious with this austere Faustian tongue twister, lest it all be for
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, we should consider how unpronouncible words like australia, austria,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; autumns and so on are...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey, we are trying to share opinions about what we named it. I
+</I>&gt;<i> explained my reason. We're not discussing about other language's
+</I>&gt;<i> words. As i don't offer any Turkish word. Just point out if there are
+</I>&gt;<i> difficulties about distro related names. As for me, also Mageia name
+</I>&gt;<i> is a problem alone. Just look at posts about pronouncation. Also, i
+</I>&gt;<i> haven't told you about Turkish fundementalist patriot users reactions
+</I>&gt;<i> about a Greek word, altough it is not problem for me and my friends, i
+</I>&gt;<i> don't against which language word have been choosen. Yesterday, some
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Turkiye community asked me how they can pronounce new distro
+</I>&gt;<i> name, even any of them could not write it correctly. Those words are
+</I>&gt;<i> difficult to write or pronounce for my people, like you can't
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly pronounce Turkish or Arabic words. Thats only my personal
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>i just read the same and i am french guy so i like speak about romanians so
+don't be carreful (a trouble with my gvt)
+but the ideas was nearest the word to describe where to be when not publicly
+available
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+in cauldron cazan chaudron caldera where magician cooking
+cradle berceau b&#233;so(haitian) was more human being the first step of life
+but does &quot;step on !&quot; means not sure ?
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+<PRE> 22.09.2010 12:13, Catalin Florin RUSSEN kirjutas:
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+</I>&gt;<i> He he, funny name, &quot;cazan&quot; means cauldron in Romanian, or &quot;marmite&quot; in French.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not call it: SPARK
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin C&#259;t&#259;lin RUSSEN
+</I>&gt;<i> Romanian Translation Team
+</I>Spark sounds like a good idea too..
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also in Germany there starts a discussion about mandriva - mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, which was and is a good KDE distribution was/is based on
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva and I think, that the PCLOS people thinks about their future
+</I>&gt;<i> with mandriva.
+</I>Where exactly does that discussion go on? Certainly, I read a few comments
+about collaborating with PCLOS or Unity at MandrivaUser.de but not very much.
+And I don't think we should try to be some kind of part of one of those
+projects. Collaboration may be possible between the projects and I'm sure it
+will happen but let's get a solid basis first.
+Another reason are things happening over at PCLOS in the last few years. There
+was a big noise sometime ago due to the partly autocratic leading by texstar.
+PCLOS is - in my eyes - a one-man-show with some framework arround it.
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also in Germany there starts a discussion about mandriva - mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, which was and is a good KDE distribution was/is based on
+</I>&gt;<i> mandriva and I think, that the PCLOS people thinks about their future
+</I>&gt;<i> with mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it not a good idea to ask texstar to build up a distribution, which
+</I>&gt;<i> contains pclos and the goals of mageia in one?
+</I>&gt;<i> Think about it. It make no sense, that there are hundreds of several
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions on the market....
+</I>
+If texstar and other people want to join Mageia project, I think they're
+welcome. But nobody is forced to join. They can have their own
+distribution if they want, that's their choice ...
+
+Nicolas
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+</I>&gt;<i> Forking Mandriva is a good idea especially after the focus that Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> will give on servers, ignoring desktop users.
+</I>&gt;<i> I've just created my company to promote Mandriva desktop to small companies
+</I>&gt;<i> and individuals... bad choice :( !
+</I>
+Although I am a Mageia advocate by my own choice I'd like to correct this:
+Mandriva did not say they will ignore the desktop. They just shut down
+desktop distribution development in Europe and will open/renew it in
+Brazil. As to Mandriva's statements the next release of the desktop
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-21 20:57, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+</I>&gt;<i> noise already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+</I>&gt;<i> mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> post a sumarry here if need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did learn a lot of words !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I made some choice for you (sorry):
+</I>&gt;<i> - read your mail, then take decision according comment
+</I>&gt;<i> - check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+</I>&gt;<i> trademark, well know software, ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+</I>&gt;<i> in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # Abracadabra - Way too long
+</I>&gt;<i> Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+</I>&gt;<i> alchemy - hard to pronouce
+</I>&gt;<i> Baker
+</I>&gt;<i> bakery
+</I>&gt;<i> # blender - it is the name of a well know software
+</I>&gt;<i> brewery, brew - religious issue
+</I>&gt;<i> Bubbling
+</I>&gt;<i> campus
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> Chef
+</I>&gt;<i> concert
+</I>&gt;<i> crucible
+</I>&gt;<i> # Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+</I>&gt;<i> Dreamspot
+</I>&gt;<i> edge
+</I>&gt;<i> elixir
+</I>&gt;<i> Enchantment
+</I>&gt;<i> fire
+</I>&gt;<i> fireworks
+</I>&gt;<i> foundry
+</I>&gt;<i> genesis
+</I>&gt;<i> harmony
+</I>&gt;<i> # Hephaestus - complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> Infusion
+</I>&gt;<i> kettle
+</I>&gt;<i> kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Manna
+</I>&gt;<i> # mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> # mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+</I>&gt;<i> mercury
+</I>&gt;<i> mill
+</I>&gt;<i> mixer
+</I>&gt;<i> Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+</I>&gt;<i> # Olympus - Camera trademark
+</I>&gt;<i> oven
+</I>&gt;<i> Pan
+</I>&gt;<i> # Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> # pioneer - trademark
+</I>&gt;<i> Potion room - one uniq word would better
+</I>&gt;<i> # Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+</I>&gt;<i> Presto
+</I>&gt;<i> Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I suggest to avoid... :)
+</I>&gt;<i> quicksilver
+</I>&gt;<i> rookery
+</I>&gt;<i> # root - will cause mistake with the user
+</I>&gt;<i> stove
+</I>&gt;<i> Synergy - a free software
+</I>&gt;<i> # Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+</I>&gt;<i> # Tea party - politics issue
+</I>&gt;<i> testing - like debian, no personnality
+</I>&gt;<i> transmutation
+</I>&gt;<i> twig
+</I>&gt;<i> # unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+</I>&gt;<i> Vesuvius
+</I>&gt;<i> Vulcan
+</I>&gt;<i> Vulcano
+</I>&gt;<i> wok
+</I>&gt;<i> works - like Ms product ?
+</I>
+Just in case some of you may have missed Olivier's message (it is harder
+to track on the mailist), Olivier posted this list a couple of days ago
+and suggested to limit posting on this thread. I believe he is trying to
+set up a polling/voting page where you could vote on the list of
+suggestions in his list that he collected from the suggestions on this
+thread. I believe he is concentrating on this list of names.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+I was thinking about the same as Per.
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, neo67 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also in Germany there starts a discussion about mandriva - mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, which was and is a good KDE distribution was/is based on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva and I think, that the PCLOS people thinks about their future
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with mandriva.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it not a good idea to ask texstar to build up a distribution, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contains pclos and the goals of mageia in one?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Think about it. It make no sense, that there are hundreds of several
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distributions on the market....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If texstar and other people want to join Mageia project, I think they're
+</I>&gt;<i> welcome. But nobody is forced to join. They can have their own
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution if they want, that's their choice ...
+</I>
+Exactly my opinion. texstar had his reasons (his opinion) to leave
+Mandriva, actually he was the first to fork Mandrakelinux (as it was
+called by that time). All those who are thinking about some merge or
+whatever with PCLOS should keep that in mind.
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+As Oliver and Nicolas I would welcome anybody joining Mageia but now
+that this new project is on its way to find its identity it should not
+give up any of that by joining other existing projects.
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+&gt;<i> Thank you Jerome for the clarifications.
+</I>&gt;<i> I was thinking about the same as Per.
+</I>
+Thx Jerome, you wrapped it up very well, answering agitating sentences
+with facts and clear words also match my thoughts.
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+IMHO one of the best mails on this topic.
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>Before joining and making collebration with other projects we should
+work on our initial purpose and put at least a installable-usable
+distro in front of users. Then we can discuss such things. As i know
+PCLOS is now on a seperate and different basis than Mandriva. Only
+draktools are common. Also Unity is focused not on a desktop
+production but a core system and using rpm5 instead of Red Hat's rpm
+format. If we dive into those join-collabrate-produce a common distro
+discuss there will no Mageia but memories about a Mandriva based fully
+community dependend distro.
+
+2010/9/22 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, neo67 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also in Germany there starts a discussion about mandriva - mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, which was and is a good KDE distribution was/is based on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva and I think, that the PCLOS people thinks about their future
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with mandriva.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it not a good idea to ask texstar to build up a distribution, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contains pclos and the goals of mageia in one?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Think about it. It make no sense, that there are hundreds of several
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distributions on the market....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If texstar and other people want to join Mageia project, I think they're
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> welcome. But nobody is forced to join. They can have their own
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution if they want, that's their choice ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly my opinion. texstar had his reasons (his opinion) to leave
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva, actually he was the first to fork Mandrakelinux (as it was
+</I>&gt;<i> called by that time). All those who are thinking about some merge or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever with PCLOS should keep that in mind.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As Oliver and Nicolas I would welcome anybody joining Mageia but now
+</I>&gt;<i> that this new project is on its way to find its identity it should not
+</I>&gt;<i> give up any of that by joining other existing projects.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also in Germany there starts a discussion about mandriva - mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, which was and is a good KDE distribution was/is based on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mandriva and I think, that the PCLOS people thinks about their future
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with mandriva.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is it not a good idea to ask texstar to build up a distribution, which
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contains pclos and the goals of mageia in one?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Think about it. It make no sense, that there are hundreds of several
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> distributions on the market....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If texstar and other people want to join Mageia project, I think they're
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> welcome. But nobody is forced to join. They can have their own
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution if they want, that's their choice ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly my opinion. texstar had his reasons (his opinion) to leave
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva, actually he was the first to fork Mandrakelinux (as it was
+</I>&gt;<i> called by that time). All those who are thinking about some merge or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever with PCLOS should keep that in mind.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As Oliver and Nicolas I would welcome anybody joining Mageia but now
+</I>&gt;<i> that this new project is on its way to find its identity it should not
+</I>&gt;<i> give up any of that by joining other existing projects.
+</I>
+Yes, that is a good view (anybody can join us..) on this topic also.
+For me and my understanding, how to start those projects is different.
+What I learned about the years in information technology (I'm 43y) and
+in main: the people who work and develop in information technology is:
+to be active NOT reactive. Sometimes, I have the illusion, that - just
+in open source project- everybody relies on: That is an open source
+project, so all will go fine, beacuse we are the good, not the ugly.
+Lets smoke some and listen to the 60th... music... is possible that
+I'm wrong at this time. But for sure is one thing, it is a great
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n</B>
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+<PRE>Le Wed, 22 Sep 2010 10:37:29 +0200
+Tonton &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">to.tonton at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was thinking pinguin lay eggs so I suggest simply :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't think it can cause trouble in any language but not sure, tell me.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So Magieia developpement will born in a magic nid called mageia nid
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you agree ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> or Cradle ?
+</I>Crado in French ;-)
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+<PRE>cooker+magic (alchemy actually) =&gt; alchemist?
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+Why not: iCook ?
+
+Florin
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+
+----- Original Message ----
+From: David Coulette &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dcoulette at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 11:54:48
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+cooker+magic (alchemy actually)
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+
+=&gt; Crucible ?
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+&gt;<i> &gt; or Cradle ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Crado in French ;-)
+</I>Let's stay with English names, shell we?
+
+I don't think it will do any good to take naems out of other languages,
+especially the smaller ones. (And I must explain, that I have not and will
+neer call French or Spanish a smaller language)
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+decisions. I know this discussion is necessary, but it doesn't need me.
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+ <B>vfmBOFH</B>
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+
+MDK-trans has translated the first mageia's blog post to spanish.
+
+I post the translation here, feel free to use.
+
+--------------------------------------------------------------
+
+&#161;Gracias!
+Publicado el 21 de septiembre de 2010 por ennael
+
+No sab&#237;amos c&#243;mo empezar esto, as&#237; que vamos a hacerlo de la manera m&#225;s
+obvia.
+
+Muchachos, gracias.
+
+Muchas gracias por vuestro entusiasmo, vuestras solicitudes para
+uniros, para ayudar a este proyecto, por proporcionar inspiraci&#243;n
+sobre la infraestrucutra de hardware, el sistema de compilaci&#243;n, la
+gesti&#243;n de la comunidad, temas art&#237;sticos, &#161;tantas cosas!
+
+Ha sido diferente para cada uno de nosotros, pero la idea de hacer
+algo distinto ha ido madurando durante meses hasta ahora. Las cosas
+realmente se materializaron hace pocos d&#237;as a medida que los debates
+se concretaban m&#225;s, y ahora aqu&#237; estamos.
+
+Sab&#237;amos que era un movimiento importante; que probablemente podr&#237;amos
+dar primeros pasos en falso y que deber&#237;amos proceder con cuidado.
+Vuestro recibimiento de las noticias simplemente ha excedido nuestros
+sue&#241;os m&#225;s desatados.
+
+Ver a tanta gente de las comunidades de cooker y de usuarios, y
+tambi&#233;n gente que lo hab&#237;a dejado en a&#241;os anteriores, convergiendo
+todos juntos confirma nuestra resoluci&#243;n de que hacer una distribuci&#243;n
+completamente basada en la comunidad era, es, la direcci&#243;n correcta.
+
+No se trata s&#243;lo de un peque&#241;o grupo de gente, se trata de lo que
+pueden hacer con una tecnolog&#237;a que dise&#241;emos, construyamos y usemos
+cada d&#237;a a trav&#233;s de una organizaci&#243;n que asegure la colaboraci&#243;n,
+innovaci&#243;n, producci&#243;n y beneficios a todos.
+
+Una vez m&#225;s, esto no ser&#225; f&#225;cil, instant&#225;neo ni directo. Estamos
+asentando los primeros pasos organizativos para que todos nosotros
+podamos empezar a trabajar en este nuevo proyecto.
+
+As&#237; que, &#161;empecemos juntos!
+
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 22 Sep 2010 11:16:42 vfmBOFH wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MDK-trans has translated the first mageia's blog post to spanish.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I post the translation here, feel free to use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#161;Gracias!
+</I>&gt;<i> Publicado el 21 de septiembre de 2010 por ennael
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No sab&#237;amos c&#243;mo empezar esto, as&#237; que vamos a hacerlo de la manera m&#225;s
+</I>&gt;<i> obvia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Muchachos, gracias.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Muchas gracias por vuestro entusiasmo, vuestras solicitudes para
+</I>&gt;<i> uniros, para ayudar a este proyecto, por proporcionar inspiraci&#243;n
+</I>&gt;<i> sobre la infraestrucutra de hardware, el sistema de compilaci&#243;n, la
+</I>&gt;<i> gesti&#243;n de la comunidad, temas art&#237;sticos, &#161;tantas cosas!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ha sido diferente para cada uno de nosotros, pero la idea de hacer
+</I>&gt;<i> algo distinto ha ido madurando durante meses hasta ahora. Las cosas
+</I>&gt;<i> realmente se materializaron hace pocos d&#237;as a medida que los debates
+</I>&gt;<i> se concretaban m&#225;s, y ahora aqu&#237; estamos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sab&#237;amos que era un movimiento importante; que probablemente podr&#237;amos
+</I>&gt;<i> dar primeros pasos en falso y que deber&#237;amos proceder con cuidado.
+</I>&gt;<i> Vuestro recibimiento de las noticias simplemente ha excedido nuestros
+</I>&gt;<i> sue&#241;os m&#225;s desatados.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ver a tanta gente de las comunidades de cooker y de usuarios, y
+</I>&gt;<i> tambi&#233;n gente que lo hab&#237;a dejado en a&#241;os anteriores, convergiendo
+</I>&gt;<i> todos juntos confirma nuestra resoluci&#243;n de que hacer una distribuci&#243;n
+</I>&gt;<i> completamente basada en la comunidad era, es, la direcci&#243;n correcta.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No se trata s&#243;lo de un peque&#241;o grupo de gente, se trata de lo que
+</I>&gt;<i> pueden hacer con una tecnolog&#237;a que dise&#241;emos, construyamos y usemos
+</I>&gt;<i> cada d&#237;a a trav&#233;s de una organizaci&#243;n que asegure la colaboraci&#243;n,
+</I>&gt;<i> innovaci&#243;n, producci&#243;n y beneficios a todos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Una vez m&#225;s, esto no ser&#225; f&#225;cil, instant&#225;neo ni directo. Estamos
+</I>&gt;<i> asentando los primeros pasos organizativos para que todos nosotros
+</I>&gt;<i> podamos empezar a trabajar en este nuevo proyecto.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As&#237; que, &#161;empecemos juntos!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------------------------------
+</I>
+--
+
+Ken Williams
+Kinmel Bay, Rhyl.
+
+In a world without walls and fences,
+who needs windows and gates?
+
+I use Linux, not Windows.
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/22 neo67 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">i.am.neo67 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that is a good view (anybody can join us..) on this topic also.
+</I>&gt;<i> For me and my understanding, how to start those projects is different.
+</I>&gt;<i> What I learned about the years in information technology (I'm 43y) and
+</I>&gt;<i> in main: the people who work and develop in information technology is:
+</I>&gt;<i> to be active NOT reactive. Sometimes, I have the illusion, that - just
+</I>&gt;<i> in open source project- everybody relies on: That is an open source
+</I>&gt;<i> project, so all will go fine, beacuse we are the good, not the ugly.
+</I>&gt;<i> Lets smoke some and listen to the 60th... music... &#160;is possible that
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm wrong at this time. But for sure is one thing, it is a great
+</I>&gt;<i> change. :-)
+</I>
+well, I'm exdactly 20 years older and I've been in this Linux field
+for some 15 years now. I do like 60th music, smoking my occasional
+pipe or shish (or I roll my own) and I am convinced that I am the good
+and the ugly but never the bad. Still I see reality and necessities
+like eating. Michael Scherer commented on this part of the project and
+I am convinced that nobody will starve just because he joins Mageia :)
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+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i> Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andresalaun at aliceadsl.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; or Cradle ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Crado in French ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's stay with English names, shell we?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it will do any good to take naems out of other languages,
+</I>&gt;<i> especially the smaller ones. (And I must explain, that I have not and will
+</I>&gt;<i> neer call French or Spanish a smaller language)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+Yes sir !
+
+But I proposed &quot;nid&quot; which is an English word I think.
+
+Cradle / crado - crade is just a joke due to a bad euphony like some others words in others language (pot /pott)
+
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+Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andresalaun at aliceadsl.fr</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i> Le Wed, 22 Sep 2010 12:10:22 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andresalaun at aliceadsl.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; or Cradle ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Crado in French ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Let's stay with English names, shell we?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't think it will do any good to take naems out of other languages,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; especially the smaller ones. (And I must explain, that I have not and will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; neer call French or Spanish a smaller language)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes sir !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I proposed &quot;nid&quot; which is an English word I think.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cradle / crado - crade is just a joke due to a bad euphony like some others words in others language (pot /pott)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> A.Sala&#252;n
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Oh !!! Sorry !
+In my two mails I type the frnch word in place of english one, I want to propose :
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+nest
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+of course, and I go to rest ;-)
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/">http://blog.mageia.org/</A> -- official news blog for Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?do=show&amp;id=start</A> -- Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> contribution site. This where you will want to register your name to
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute to the Mageia project
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</A> -- Flicker
+</I>&gt;<i> site for the Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Official Usenet discussion groups on Gmane:
+</I>&gt;<i> ---------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-dev:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.devel</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-discuss:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.user</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-announce
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce">http://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce">nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.announce</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>These links may be shown in the fisrt place mageia.org ?
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 neo67 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">i.am.neo67 at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, that is a good view (anybody can join us..) on this topic also.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For me and my understanding, how to start those projects is different.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What I learned about the years in information technology (I'm 43y) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in main: the people who work and develop in information technology is:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be active NOT reactive. Sometimes, I have the illusion, that - just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in open source project- everybody relies on: That is an open source
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> project, so all will go fine, beacuse we are the good, not the ugly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Lets smoke some and listen to the 60th... music... &#160;is possible that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm wrong at this time. But for sure is one thing, it is a great
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> change. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, I'm exdactly 20 years older and I've been in this Linux field
+</I>&gt;<i> for some 15 years now. I do like 60th music, smoking my occasional
+</I>&gt;<i> pipe or shish (or I roll my own) and I am convinced that I am the good
+</I>&gt;<i> and the ugly but never the bad. Still I see reality and necessities
+</I>&gt;<i> like eating. Michael Scherer commented on this part of the project and
+</I>&gt;<i> I am convinced that nobody will starve just because he joins Mageia :)
+</I>
+Starve? Thats funny. Yes, you know about the gold? It was the grave
+beside, in which nodody was buried! ;-)
+Okay, I will follow mageia and see, what I can do. :-)
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+<PRE>Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+</I>
+Wasn't there also a Caldera Linux from the infamous SCO Group?
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_OpenLinux">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_OpenLinux</A>
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+Caldera is Cauldron in Spanish.
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+Don't know if that's a pb.
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+&gt;<i> These links may be shown in the fisrt place mageia.org &lt;<A HREF="http://mageia.org">http://mageia.org</A>&gt; ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I imagine the mageia.org webmaster will eventually put these links on
+the official website.
+
+I was trying to help the mailist users who would have missed the
+announceements of some of these links. The Gmane discussion list users
+can find this information a little more easily by searching through the
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+<PRE>* Marc Par&#233; (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-21 20:57, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just in case some of you may have missed Olivier's message (it is harder
+</I>&gt;<i> to track on the mailist), Olivier posted this list a couple of days ago
+</I>&gt;<i> and suggested to limit posting on this thread. I believe he is trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> set up a polling/voting page where you could vote on the list of
+</I>&gt;<i> suggestions in his list that he collected from the suggestions on this
+</I>&gt;<i> thread. I believe he is concentrating on this list of names.
+</I>
+Ah thanks, at least someone read what I write. I was wondering if my
+english is understable.
+
+I confirm this, except I sent the mail at 1H00 GMT, not few days ago.
+
+You can still mail me directly, but please, stop the current useless
+flood on this mailing list.
+
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+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 07:41, Malo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wasn't there also a Caldera Linux from the infamous SCO Group?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_OpenLinux">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_OpenLinux</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Caldera is Cauldron in Spanish.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know if that's a pb.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Now that is funny! Thanks for pointing that out. For me, that would be a
+problem and an ominous one at that! It would be best to stay away from
+any terms used by Caldera/Sco.
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+franck &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">franckdoucet at orange.fr</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 22:05:24, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd have a insight: Mageia = Magic + Idea. Put a lamp in somewhere!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _____________________________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ---&gt; <A HREF="http://www.DCpages.com">http://www.DCpages.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a vague memory that the magic lamp is already the origine of
+</I>&gt;<i> the Debian logo...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Franck
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Its a statement about the Debian logo is correct, when referring to the
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+ <B>alexandr at vasilenko.cz</B>
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+I would like patricipate at this project, I using Mandriva for 6 years and
+Mageia will be good replacement.
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+Is there somebody from Czech republic? I can translate to czech and make
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+Sincerely Alexandr
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+<PRE>Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 &#224; 16:53 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Would it make sense to also have a section for &quot;mageia&quot; domain owners to
+</I>&gt;<i> track domain owners who are willing to cooperate? You will eventually
+</I>&gt;<i> have to do this anyway. I would also consider this also a type of offer
+</I>&gt;<i> of cooperation and help.
+</I>
+Personally, I think we should not collect all domain names to give them
+to the association :
+
+1) each domain name will need admin time. Either to manage ( ie, set up
+vhost, setup the zone, add a entry to the zone etc ), or to renew. While
+renewing 1 domain name every year is easy, renewing 10 or 20 on 10 to 20
+different resellers, for different prices and so on will be quite
+annoying.
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+2) this will also generate work for people in charge of comptability,
+and we know that people doing the work of a CFO are a scarce ressources
+( CFO may not be the proper word, but I didn't found better ).
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+3) too much domain name will cost money. I think that what ever we have,
+money would likely better used everywhere than domain name.
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+Next it depend on what we do for the domain, but basically, either it is
+use for http, or for mail.
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+If we use for http :
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+4) too much domain will be a pain from a ssl point of view. If we start
+to need ssl for a site, and there is 10 Vhost for it, we will just have
+10 time the work to renew certificates.
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+5) too much domain will also requires more work for simple http, since
+we will have lots of them.
+
+6) too much different url will just mean more confusion. I may also fear
+this could be seen by major search engine as unethic SEO, and thus be
+punished ( since link farm is a commonly used technic to try to hijack
+some keywords ). But Google, Yahoo and Bing systems are closed source,
+so I do not know.
+
+If we use for mail :
+
+7) too much domain will simply mean more spam. If we offer multiple
+email ( like &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">example at mageia.org</A>, and .de, and .fr and .cn, and so on ),
+email will simply appear in more list, and therefore be more spammed.
+
+8) too much domain will simply mean more work. Again, if we use every
+domain for mail be it a multi domain alias, or worst, let the choice, we
+will need to take this in account in lots of place in the information
+system, and this will mean more work, more complexity, more fragility.
+
+9) and of course, too much domain name, like for websites will mean more
+confusion.
+
+And finally, as I said before, we had a hard time finding a name because
+because all the good one have been already used ( or trademarked ).
+While people do not frivolously trademark name ( too costly ), there is
+lots of domain name that are taken and finally unused. So by acting like
+the others, we are simply causing trouble to others internet users. A
+web site about magic trick could perfectly use mageia.tld without
+causing trouble to us. A restaurant, anything could also do it.
+
+So
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+10) by registering every possible variation, we are acting selfishly
+toward others netizens.
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+So I do not really see what having lots of domain name would bring.
+Maybe I do not see because I am root on the main dns server, maybe
+because I already have my own domain name since so long time, I do not
+know.
+
+The only answer I got was about security. But seriously, security of
+what ? Protecting from people doing phishing ? Bank already fail at
+this, and you think we can ?
+
+Protecting from people misusing the name ? there is trademark laws and
+various others way ( not to mention that I do not see much to misuse at
+the moment ).
+
+And frankly, there is too much variation beside top level domain to be
+exhaustive to protect anything.
+
+
+So for the 10 reasons I gave, and because I see almost no benefit, I
+think the association shouldn't manage so much domains. I cannot prevent
+people from renting them, but my 2 last point ( 9 and 10 ) still apply,
+IMHO.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like patricipate at this project, I using Mandriva for 6 years and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia will be good replacement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there somebody from Czech republic? I can translate to czech and make
+</I>&gt;<i> web presentation in czech language.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sincerely Alexandr
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi
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+Welcome onboard
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+Please fill the temporary wiki : <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A>
+We are first counting ourselves.
+
+Thanks :)
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+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 &#224; 18:18 -0300, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A> a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> software DokuWiki.
+</I>
+The wiki is still a temporary one, as written in the banner.
+
+So dokuwiki was taken because it was faster to setup without database,
+and because it was already installed on ryu ( the main plf server,
+hosting mageia.org for the moment ).
+
+But this is by no mean a wiki that is meant to last or serve for
+anything besides organisation of the contribution ( for the moment, at
+least, the way we installed it ).
+
+We will erase later, once a more definitive wiki will be setup.
+
+And please, do not start a 50 mails discussion about the software that
+should be used, because we first need to gather requirements about it,
+and see with sysadmins if this is ok. And I personally think that
+personal preference should be kept out of the process.
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+<PRE>Hi all, I am new here but &quot;cauldron&quot; is a good name.
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+-Nex6
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+________________________________
+From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+* Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>
+I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+
+Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+noise already.
+
+If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+post a sumarry here if need.
+
+I did learn a lot of words !
+
+I made some choice for you (sorry):
+- read your mail, then take decision according comment
+- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+ trademark, well know software, ...).
+
+My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+
+The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).
+
+# Abracadabra - Way too long
+Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+alchemy - hard to pronouce
+Baker
+bakery
+# blender - it is the name of a well know software
+brewery, brew - religious issue
+Bubbling
+campus
+cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+Chef
+concert
+crucible
+# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+Dreamspot
+edge
+elixir
+Enchantment
+fire
+fireworks
+foundry
+genesis
+harmony
+# Hephaestus - complicated
+Infusion
+kettle
+kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+Manna
+# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+mercury
+mill
+mixer
+Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+# Olympus - Camera trademark
+oven
+Pan
+# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+# pioneer - trademark
+Potion room - one uniq word would better
+# Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+Presto
+Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I
+suggest to avoid... :)
+quicksilver
+rookery
+# root - will cause mistake with the user
+stove
+Synergy - a free software
+# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+# Tea party - politics issue
+testing - like debian, no personnality
+transmutation
+twig
+# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+Vesuvius
+Vulcan
+Vulcano
+wok
+works - like Ms product ?
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+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
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+</I>&gt;<i> i want to help in the spread of mageia here in mexico, what group should i be
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+Maybe a group &quot;Marketing&quot; should be added to the Wiki? I read in a
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> i want to help in the spread of mageia here in mexico, what group should i be
+</I>&gt;<i> added?
+</I>
+Hola Luis,
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+I believe that you can add yourself to: Mageia Supporter and/or Users
+community management
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+Also, remember to join Blogdrake.net, currently Mandriva official
+forum for Spanish-speaking users, and pretty soon Mageia official
+forum for Spanish-speaking users.
+
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+Salut,
+Sinner
+--
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+&gt;<i> Looking in wiki
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+</I>&gt;<i> i want to help in the spread of mageia here in mexico, what group should i be
+</I>&gt;<i> added?
+</I>
+I'd say: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=supporter">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=supporter</A> (see the
+description there).
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+</I>&gt;<i> i want to help in the spread of mageia here in mexico, what group should i
+</I>&gt;<i> be added?
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+--
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+<PRE>Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one
+the list is &quot;complete&quot; to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?
+
+Cheers,
+Florin
+
+
+
+
+________________________________
+From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+
+
+Hi all, I am new here but &quot;cauldron&quot; is a good name.
+
+
+-Nex6
+
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+________________________________
+From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+
+* Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>
+I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+
+Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+noise already.
+
+If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+post a sumarry here if need.
+
+I did learn a lot of words !
+
+I made some choice for you (sorry):
+- read your mail, then take decision according comment
+- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+ trademark, well know software, ...).
+
+My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+
+The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).
+
+# Abracadabra - Way too long
+Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+alchemy - hard to pronouce
+Baker
+bakery
+# blender - it is the name of a well know software
+brewery, brew - religious issue
+Bubbling
+campus
+cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+Chef
+concert
+crucible
+# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+Dreamspot
+edge
+elixir
+Enchantment
+fire
+fireworks
+foundry
+genesis
+harmony
+# Hephaestus - complicated
+Infusion
+kettle
+kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+Manna
+# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+mercury
+mill
+mixer
+Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+# Olympus - Camera trademark
+oven
+Pan
+# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+# pioneer - trademark
+Potion room - one uniq word would better
+# Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+Presto
+Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I
+suggest to avoid... :)
+quicksilver
+rookery
+# root - will cause mistake with the user
+stove
+Synergy - a free software
+# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+# Tea party - politics issue
+testing - like debian, no personnality
+transmutation
+twig
+# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+Vesuvius
+Vulcan
+Vulcano
+wok
+works - like Ms product ?
+
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/22 Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 10/09/21 21:49 +0200, Per &#344;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; You will leave your newborn in the &quot;hands&quot; of the same company whose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; lack of direction caused this situation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe I'm a &quot;little&quot; paranoid, but i think we should listen
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ex-employes / developers. They know the sh*t from the very inside.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ah, yes, two ex-employees / developers which were actively involved
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the development of the distribution over so many years.. Uh, oh,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wait, no they weren't.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm questioning whether they actually grasp all of the work required
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to put together a distribution. I also find it odd when I see
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> statements from them on IRC which seems to be in conflict with others
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> involved with this that they intend on going in a different direction
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> independent of Mandriva. With all the people being brought aboard with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia from the Mandriva Linux community, I find it hard to believe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that there has been established a consensus about this with all of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people involved and that they really want to do everything on their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> own and not care about keeping relations or anything with what they've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> been involved with on actual community basis and over longer times
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> than either of these two..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> since you were not part of the discussion*s*, what you believe doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> really matter. i can tell you that there is a consensus to release a
+</I>&gt;<i> community distribution. in fact, it was more of a consensus: it was the
+</I>&gt;<i> stated goal around which the rest of the project was born.
+</I>Interesting fact you point out there, why wasn't I part of it? Why was
+I excluded?
+Given my history of being one of the oldest and most active
+contributors, part of the assembly and being the main person behind
+the foundation proposal back in 2007 and actively pursuing it since, I
+even brought in an offer from someone to fund it and proposed this to
+the same people behind this fork, around the same time as when they
+started discussing it, and I wasn't just ignored, I was even
+considered a threath.
+
+It seems to be rather obvious why I wasn't part of the discussions and
+was intentionally excluded, just as it illustrates that the discussion
+didn't really involve the whole community.
+
+I anyways don't see why anything I believe about Mageia is of any less
+relevance than what you believe about Mandriva.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are you guys *really* planning on doing the whole distribution on your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> own totally independent of Mandriva without any interest of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> collaborating?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes. period.
+</I>Your short, firm and decissive response to this obviously seems to
+lack any proper consensus or support from the community. Obviously you
+have something that you really need to work out..
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To me, these responses of Romain and Nicolas seems to confirm all the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> questions I raised earlier in this thread, suggesting that the fork
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and their motivations are personal and not out of concern and care for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the community, despite these motivations officially given. I guess
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> there's a reason for why they avoided these critical questions raised
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> towards them, and rather chose to attack constructive attempts at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doing what's in the best interest of the community in stead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i am just a contributor, who was part of the discussions before the
+</I>&gt;<i> launch of mageia. i am not a former mandriva/edge-it employee, but yet i
+</I>&gt;<i> totally agree with the various opinions stated here: currently, mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> (the society) has failed to properly communicate with the community. &#160;we
+</I>&gt;<i> were never aware of what was going on, what were the plans, what were
+</I>&gt;<i> the goals, etc.
+</I>???
+This doesn't relate at all to what you're replying to.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please take that into account, and the frustration it created.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now, do you really think that mandriva's ceo coming and saying &quot;guys you
+</I>&gt;<i> are right, let's create something together&quot; is to be taken seriously?
+</I>It's a response to an invitation to create something together with and
+to interest of everyone. If it's your desire to create something like
+this already, why would you not be interested? What ulteriour motives
+do you think would be hidden behinds this? If it's not serious, then
+what are the consequences you'd be fearing when it's something that
+wouldn't make you dependent on it, but rather getting support from it?
+Worst case scenario would be to not get the support you didn't expect
+for creating something.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so, for now, i think that mageia should start alone. it might be more
+</I>&gt;<i> difficult, but results will our owns, and what we'll manage to do from
+</I>&gt;<i> this situation. and if mandriva is really gueniously interested in a
+</I>&gt;<i> foundation, it will do whatever is needed to make sure mageia succeeds.
+</I>&gt;<i> in one year from now, we'll have a better view on what's going on, and
+</I>&gt;<i> if mandriva favors a real, independent community mentality (not to
+</I>&gt;<i> mention the fact that nerves will have settle).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that is: we will judge mandriva for what it's doing, not it's saying.
+</I>&gt;<i> facts, not words.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But sure, I've only been actively involved with the development of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this *community* distribution and on several other levels for a decade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now, being amongst those involved for the longest time, while also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being an ex-employee myself, I've primarily been active through the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> community independent of my employment nor imposing personal feelings
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> towards company on the community. And I can also truly claim that I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have an absolute full understanding of all the work an complexity
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> involved in putting together the whole distribution and put tons of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more hours into this on my sparetime and out of interest for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contributing to the community, making me quite aware of the fact that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you'll have a pretty darn hard time doing this and organizing the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whole thing on your own.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> good for you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but you know, this is a fork - we announced *our* decision, and people
+</I>&gt;<i> join *if*they*want*. i did not handle a gun over people to force them to
+</I>&gt;<i> come on various mageia mailing-lists and propose their help. it was
+</I>&gt;<i> their choice. you may not agree, but please respect their choice. same
+</I>&gt;<i> as i respect your choice: you prefer continuing with mandriva, fine. and
+</I>&gt;<i> i won't come and try to convince you over and over: we're grown-ups, and
+</I>&gt;<i> can make our opinion ourselve.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In all these claims about this being a community project and it being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> independent off people's employment and all, would you really find
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disgruntled ex-employees which has only been involved in this project
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> through employment as the most trustworthy characters? How much time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do they actually plan to invest themself into this project on their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sparetime now that they're not employed by Mandriva?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is none of your business. really.
+</I>&gt;<i> they will speak about that if they want, but otherwise, please stay away
+</I>&gt;<i> from their private life.
+</I>Questioning people's involvement and dedication to a project is to dig
+into people's personal life?
+Do you have a &quot;don't ask, don't tell&quot; policy for Mageia..?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can't really start telling how provoked I am over seeing this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> childish and truly community hostile attitude, or about the claims
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about through the liquidation of Edge-IT all of the talents and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> important people involved in development of the distribution
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> disappearing, guess what, the majority of the staff working on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution for quite some time has actually been employed at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Conectiva, not Edge-IT!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> once again: if you think it's better to follow up mandriva, then please
+</I>&gt;<i> do so. what we did was community-friendly: after having understood that
+</I>&gt;<i> a reconciliation could not be done at this moment, it's way better to
+</I>&gt;<i> say &quot;good-bye, we're going on our own&quot;, rather than rotting and
+</I>&gt;<i> spreading bad will / mood in the project.
+</I>I could say something about the order of occurence on &quot;good-bye,
+we're going on our own&quot; and &quot;spreading bad will / mood in the
+project&quot;, but whatever..
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and who knows, maybe there will be a reconciliation later on. but i can
+</I>&gt;<i> tell you that it's not possible right now. trying to force a
+</I>&gt;<i> reconciliation won't work - it doesn't work like that.
+</I>Forcing? It was a constructive discussion and invitation which
+oviously is of interest to all parties, the opposition and rejection
+from some people within your project seems to go right against much of
+the motivation and goals for others involved with it.
+But sure, deciding on and any participation in this is something
+that's for you to decide on *together* with the rest of your
+community.
+
+I don't plan on ending the discussion nor trying to collaborate as
+much as possible..
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+ <B>Nex6</B>
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+<PRE>Thats a good idea, but I was &quot;voting up&quot; what many others had already said.
+that: cauldron was a good choice.
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+or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new thread just
+for 'voting'. at the end of a voting period. name choosen.
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+From: Catalin Florin RUSSEN &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:58:36 AM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one
+the list is &quot;complete&quot; to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?
+
+Cheers,
+Florin
+
+
+
+
+________________________________
+From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+Hi all, I am new here but &quot;cauldron&quot; is a good name.
+
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+-Nex6
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+________________________________
+From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
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+* Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>
+I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+
+Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+noise already.
+
+If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+post a sumarry here if need.
+
+I did learn a lot of words !
+
+I made some choice for you (sorry):
+- read your mail, then take decision according comment
+- check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+ trademark, well know software, ...).
+
+My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+
+The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).
+
+# Abracadabra - Way too long
+Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+alchemy - hard to pronouce
+Baker
+bakery
+# blender - it is the name of a well know software
+brewery, brew - religious issue
+Bubbling
+campus
+cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+Chef
+concert
+crucible
+# Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+Dreamspot
+edge
+elixir
+Enchantment
+fire
+fireworks
+foundry
+genesis
+harmony
+# Hephaestus - complicated
+Infusion
+kettle
+kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+Manna
+# mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+# mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+mercury
+mill
+mixer
+Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+# Olympus - Camera trademark
+oven
+Pan
+# Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+# pioneer - trademark
+Potion room - one uniq word would better
+# Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+Presto
+Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I
+suggest to avoid... :)
+quicksilver
+rookery
+# root - will cause mistake with the user
+stove
+Synergy - a free software
+# Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+# Tea party - politics issue
+testing - like debian, no personnality
+transmutation
+twig
+# unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+Vesuvius
+Vulcan
+Vulcano
+wok
+works - like Ms product ?
+
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 10:41, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 &#224; 16:53 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would it make sense to also have a section for &quot;mageia&quot; domain owners to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> track domain owners who are willing to cooperate? You will eventually
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have to do this anyway. I would also consider this also a type of offer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of cooperation and help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, I think we should not collect all domain names to give them
+</I>&gt;<i> to the association :
+</I>
+The offer was to pass on the domain if the Mageia project wanted to have
+it. It adds flexibility
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) each domain name will need admin time. Either to manage ( ie, set up
+</I>&gt;<i> vhost, setup the zone, add a entry to the zone etc ), or to renew. While
+</I>&gt;<i> renewing 1 domain name every year is easy, renewing 10 or 20 on 10 to 20
+</I>&gt;<i> different resellers, for different prices and so on will be quite
+</I>&gt;<i> annoying.
+</I>
+When passing off a domain, the reseller is transferred. You then
+consolidate all under on reseller. I do this all the time.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) this will also generate work for people in charge of comptability,
+</I>&gt;<i> and we know that people doing the work of a CFO are a scarce ressources
+</I>&gt;<i> ( CFO may not be the proper word, but I didn't found better ).
+</I>
+You set a pointer to the main site and there is no need to use the other
+domain names if you do not wish.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) too much domain name will cost money. I think that what ever we have,
+</I>&gt;<i> money would likely better used everywhere than domain name.
+</I>
+Yes you are right. Which is why some of us registered and are willing to
+offer these back to the Mageia project if it wishes. If the Mageia
+project wishes these, then the project will have to build this into its
+business model. The same would have applied if the Mageia project had
+decided from the outset to purchase all of the necessary TLD'S. The
+project would've had to budget this into its working
+organizational/financial model.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Next it depend on what we do for the domain, but basically, either it is
+</I>&gt;<i> use for http, or for mail.
+</I>
+Mostly for http redirect at first. It depends on the needs.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we use for http :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) too much domain will be a pain from a ssl point of view. If we start
+</I>&gt;<i> to need ssl for a site, and there is 10 Vhost for it, we will just have
+</I>&gt;<i> 10 time the work to renew certificates.
+</I>
+Not applicable if you redirect the domains. You would then only have to
+establish certificates for those domains that you intend to use.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 5) too much domain will also requires more work for simple http, since
+</I>&gt;<i> we will have lots of them.
+</I>
+Not applicable if you set a pointer. This will also depend on the amount
+of website developers help who have signed up.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 6) too much different url will just mean more confusion. I may also fear
+</I>&gt;<i> this could be seen by major search engine as unethic SEO, and thus be
+</I>&gt;<i> punished ( since link farm is a commonly used technic to try to hijack
+</I>&gt;<i> some keywords ). But Google, Yahoo and Bing systems are closed source,
+</I>&gt;<i> so I do not know.
+</I>
+This is not unethic as all business on the internet do this as common
+practice. Try to type in URL's for any major corporation, or Yahoo!,
+Google, Bing etc.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we use for mail :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 7) too much domain will simply mean more spam. If we offer multiple
+</I>&gt;<i> email ( like &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">example at mageia.org</A>, and .de, and .fr and .cn, and so on ),
+</I>&gt;<i> email will simply appear in more list, and therefore be more spammed.
+</I>
+Domains do not have to be activated for mail. If a domain is not
+activated for mail service then the mail bounces back to the sender.
+This is done all of the time.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 8) too much domain will simply mean more work. Again, if we use every
+</I>&gt;<i> domain for mail be it a multi domain alias, or worst, let the choice, we
+</I>&gt;<i> will need to take this in account in lots of place in the information
+</I>&gt;<i> system, and this will mean more work, more complexity, more fragility.
+</I>
+You have already covered these points up above. #8 is not a new point.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 9) and of course, too much domain name, like for websites will mean more
+</I>&gt;<i> confusion.
+</I>
+It means less confusion. mageia.org will lead to main site; mageia.ca
+does lead to main site; magiea.nl would lead to main site; mageia.net
+would lead to main site; mageia.info would lead to main site ... How
+would this be confusing?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And finally, as I said before, we had a hard time finding a name because
+</I>&gt;<i> because all the good one have been already used ( or trademarked ).
+</I>&gt;<i> While people do not frivolously trademark name ( too costly ), there is
+</I>&gt;<i> lots of domain name that are taken and finally unused. So by acting like
+</I>&gt;<i> the others, we are simply causing trouble to others internet users. A
+</I>&gt;<i> web site about magic trick could perfectly use mageia.tld without
+</I>&gt;<i> causing trouble to us. A restaurant, anything could also do it.
+</I>
+By Trademarking and adopting/registering the domain names attached to
+your trademark you are actually doing what would be expected of a good
+solid business model that Banks would like to see for example, load
+applications as well as for grants where government would see a well
+organized domain tree and trademarked name.
+
+By doing business the way that you advocate, you actually lower the
+fidelity that one would assume of a serious group.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 10) by registering every possible variation, we are acting selfishly
+</I>&gt;<i> toward others netizens.
+</I>
+You have already covered these points up above with #9. #10 is not a new
+point.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I do not really see what having lots of domain name would bring.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe I do not see because I am root on the main dns server, maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> because I already have my own domain name since so long time, I do not
+</I>&gt;<i> know.
+</I>
+I am not root on a DNS server but have owned domain names for a while
+like you have and hold a different view than yours.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only answer I got was about security. But seriously, security of
+</I>&gt;<i> what ? Protecting from people doing phishing ? Bank already fail at
+</I>&gt;<i> this, and you think we can ?
+</I>
+Who mentioned security? This is all about flexibility.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Protecting from people misusing the name ? there is trademark laws and
+</I>&gt;<i> various others way ( not to mention that I do not see much to misuse at
+</I>&gt;<i> the moment ).
+</I>
+You will be of a different opinion once your trademark application has
+been approved.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And frankly, there is too much variation beside top level domain to be
+</I>&gt;<i> exhaustive to protect anything.
+</I>
+It is not a matter of registering ALL permutations. It is a matter of
+having at one's disposal more of the mageia.XXX domains if at all
+possible. This will give you more web presence for name branding purposes.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So for the 10 reasons I gave, and because I see almost no benefit, I
+</I>&gt;<i> think the association shouldn't manage so much domains. I cannot prevent
+</I>&gt;<i> people from renting them, but my 2 last point ( 9 and 10 ) still apply,
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO.
+</I>
+You have 8 points in your list and my reasoning to go along with these 8.
+
+Discussions and exchange of ideas are always a healthy act.
+
+Cheers
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
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+&gt;<i>Interesting fact you point out there, why wasn't I part of it? Why was
+</I>&gt;<i>I excluded?
+</I>
+Per can you please stop the bitching?
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+point to pollute the Mageia ML with your personal rants.
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+<PRE>&#22312; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:10:00 +0800, Nex6 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> Thats a good idea, but I was &quot;voting up&quot; what many others had already
+</I>&gt;<i> said.
+</I>&gt;<i> that: cauldron was a good choice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new
+</I>&gt;<i> thread just
+</I>&gt;<i> for 'voting'. at the end of a voting period. name choosen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Voting should be done with more open voting system.
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+By mailing list would make less people can vote and cause everyone using
+mailing list flooded
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+Maybe some voting web function put on the homepage is better.
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+&gt;<i> Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names,
+</I>&gt;<i> and one the list is &quot;complete&quot; to propose a pool and vote for the one we
+</I>&gt;<i> like most?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin
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+Merci Florin:
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+I think that Olivier is getting something ready for the community to
+vote. He has already posted a final list on this mailist for people to
+see. It was collected over a period of a couple or more days.
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+Apparement, la liste para&#238;trera et passera au vote sur quelque page du
+site ou Wiki? Pas certain.
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+Nex6 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i> Thats a good idea, but I was &quot;voting up&quot; what many others had already said.
+</I>&gt;<i> that: cauldron was a good choice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new thread just
+</I>&gt;<i> for 'voting'. at the end of a voting period. name choosen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Catalin Florin RUSSEN &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 8:58:36 AM
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one
+</I>&gt;<i> the list is &quot;complete&quot; to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Good idea.
+--
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 11:41, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Looking in wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i want to help in the spread of mageia here in mexico, what group should i be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> added?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe a group &quot;Marketing&quot; should be added to the Wiki? I read in a
+</I>&gt;<i> thread that there's a marketing pro offering to collaborate... I guess
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;spread the word&quot; = marketing
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>
+Marketing has already been suggested a couple of times. There will
+definitely need to be a maketing &quot;arm&quot; of Mageia. Could this be added to
+the Wiki? I don't think that registering in the &quot;supporter&quot; section
+really addresses the marketing side of things. Being a supporter for
+advocacy's sake and signing up for marketing are two different things.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=start</A>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#229;&#156;&#168; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:10:00 +0800, Nex6 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt;&#229;&#175;&#171;&#233;&#129;&#147;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thats a good idea, but I was &quot;voting up&quot; what many others had already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> said.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that: cauldron was a good choice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thread just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for 'voting'. at the end of a voting period. name choosen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Voting should be done with more open voting system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>By mailing list would make less people can vote and cause everyone
+</I>&gt;<i>using mailing list flooded
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>with voting mail, which might be annoying.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Maybe some voting web function put on the homepage is better.
+</I>
+Nex6, Kira, Olivier Thauvin is rorganizing this and he will set up
+appropiate voting, he said so yesterday here in thi thread, so please
+wait for further news from him.
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+<PRE>2010/9/22 Per &#216;yvind Karlsen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I think we should keep this list for cooker discussion, and let
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people organize themselves before discussing of collaboration. Each
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> party have different yet convergent interests, and it take time to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them converge again.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, maybe we need to work out some more issues in both camps first,
+</I>&gt;<i> leaving the invitation on the table and get back to it when we're both
+</I>&gt;<i> more ready. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could perhaps revive the old <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">foundation at zarb.org</A> list for anyone
+</I>&gt;<i> who'd like to dicuss this in a more constructive manner and actual
+</I>&gt;<i> interest meanwhile without distracting others too much though. :)
+</I>I've opened it up now, available for anyone with interest to subscribe:
+<A HREF="https://www.zarb.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation">https://www.zarb.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation</A>
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+I'll leave you guys on mageia mailing list in peace on the matter from
+now on. ;)
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting fact you point out there, why wasn't I part of it? Why was
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I excluded?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Per can you please stop the bitching?
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to follow Mageia then please do so, if not then there is no
+</I>&gt;<i> point to pollute the Mageia ML with your personal rants.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>
+If we could all agree for a &quot;cool down&quot; period till the creation and
+publication of the first Mageia distro, maybe this discussion could be
+taken up after that time? You will most likely think more cleanly by
+then and be able to think more rationally. It is obvious that the
+Mandriva debacle is still too fresh.
+
+This line of thread is actually not too inspiring for us sitting on the
+sidelines.
+
+Let's concentrate more on getting the project organized and expect that
+Mandriva will not be a participant.
+
+Cheers
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 12:27, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Kira wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#229;&#156;&#168; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:10:00 +0800, Nex6&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt;&#229;&#175;&#171;&#233;&#129;&#147;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thats a good idea, but I was &quot;voting up&quot; what many others had already
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> said.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that: cauldron was a good choice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thread just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for 'voting'. at the end of a voting period. name choosen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Voting should be done with more open voting system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By mailing list would make less people can vote and cause everyone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using mailing list flooded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with voting mail, which might be annoying.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe some voting web function put on the homepage is better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nex6, Kira, Olivier Thauvin is rorganizing this and he will set up
+</I>&gt;<i> appropiate voting, he said so yesterday here in thi thread, so please
+</I>&gt;<i> wait for further news from him.
+</I>
+We will need to keep repeating this as new people on the mailist do not
+have all of the messages from this thread. They think that the subject
+line &quot;New name for cooker&quot; is still being discussed. Less of a problem
+for the Usenet/Gmane readers.
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+Marc
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+From: Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 9:37:50 AM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+Le 2010-09-22 12:27, Tux99 a &#65533;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Kira wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#65533;&#65533;&#65533; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 00:10:00 +0800, Nex6&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;&#65533;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thats a good idea, but I was &quot;voting up&quot; what many others had already
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> said.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that: cauldron was a good choice.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or just select a few names that from the list below and start a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> thread just
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for 'voting'. at the end of a voting period. name choosen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Voting should be done with more open voting system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By mailing list would make less people can vote and cause everyone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using mailing list flooded
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with voting mail, which might be annoying.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe some voting web function put on the homepage is better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nex6, Kira, Olivier Thauvin is rorganizing this and he will set up
+</I>&gt;<i> appropiate voting, he said so yesterday here in thi thread, so please
+</I>&gt;<i> wait for further news from him.
+</I>
+We will need to keep repeating this as new people on the mailist do not
+have all of the messages from this thread. They think that the subject
+line &quot;New name for cooker&quot; is still being discussed. Less of a problem
+for the Usenet/Gmane readers.
+
+Marc
+
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+that's what happened to me.... as I just joined the list last nite.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 12:33, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 Per &#216;yvind Karlsen&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 Michael Scherer&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So I think we should keep this list for cooker discussion, and let
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> people organize themselves before discussing of collaboration. Each
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> party have different yet convergent interests, and it take time to make
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> them converge again.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, maybe we need to work out some more issues in both camps first,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> leaving the invitation on the table and get back to it when we're both
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more ready. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We could perhaps revive the old <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">foundation at zarb.org</A> list for anyone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who'd like to dicuss this in a more constructive manner and actual
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interest meanwhile without distracting others too much though. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> I've opened it up now, available for anyone with interest to subscribe:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.zarb.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation">https://www.zarb.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll leave you guys on mageia mailing list in peace on the matter from
+</I>&gt;<i> now on. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
+</I>
+Your contributions to the discussions are most appreciated. There is no
+need to leave. There is just a need to give people a little more time to
+cool down from the Mandriva debacle. It is still obviously too fresh for
+most people who were involved with Mandriva to discuss without getting
+emotional.
+
+If you think you can contribute to helping out or want to help with the
+construction of the Mageia project, then you can stay and help out.
+
+There is nothing wrong with having a difference of opinion and voicing
+it. We are a community. Giving people space is often the best thing to
+offer them.
+
+Sad to see you go if you do.
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+Cheers
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+Marc
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> We will need to keep repeating this as new people on the mailist do not
+</I>&gt;<i> have all of the messages from this thread. They think that the subject
+</I>&gt;<i> line &quot;New name for cooker&quot; is still being discussed. Less of a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> for the Usenet/Gmane readers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that's what happened to me.... as I just joined the list last nite.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Nex6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi Nex6
+
+Thanks for adding this note. It just shows how inefficient it is to use
+mailists for these type of things. It will be sorted out once the forums
+and website are setup. Everything is in a state of flux for now.
+
+Cheers
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>* Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one
+</I>&gt;<i> the list is &quot;complete&quot; to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?
+</I>
+Because I need time to do it and obviously I have a real work during the
+day.
+
+BTW: Didn't I said I don't to see people replying on this list ?
+
+Just be patient.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all, I am new here but &quot;cauldron&quot; is a good name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Nex6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+</I>&gt;<i> noise already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+</I>&gt;<i> mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> post a sumarry here if need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did learn a lot of words !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I made some choice for you (sorry):
+</I>&gt;<i> - read your mail, then take decision according comment
+</I>&gt;<i> - check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+</I>&gt;<i> trademark, well know software, ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+</I>&gt;<i> in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # Abracadabra - Way too long
+</I>&gt;<i> Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+</I>&gt;<i> alchemy - hard to pronouce
+</I>&gt;<i> Baker
+</I>&gt;<i> bakery
+</I>&gt;<i> # blender - it is the name of a well know software
+</I>&gt;<i> brewery, brew - religious issue
+</I>&gt;<i> Bubbling
+</I>&gt;<i> campus
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> Chef
+</I>&gt;<i> concert
+</I>&gt;<i> crucible
+</I>&gt;<i> # Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+</I>&gt;<i> Dreamspot
+</I>&gt;<i> edge
+</I>&gt;<i> elixir
+</I>&gt;<i> Enchantment
+</I>&gt;<i> fire
+</I>&gt;<i> fireworks
+</I>&gt;<i> foundry
+</I>&gt;<i> genesis
+</I>&gt;<i> harmony
+</I>&gt;<i> # Hephaestus - complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> Infusion
+</I>&gt;<i> kettle
+</I>&gt;<i> kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Manna
+</I>&gt;<i> # mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> # mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+</I>&gt;<i> mercury
+</I>&gt;<i> mill
+</I>&gt;<i> mixer
+</I>&gt;<i> Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+</I>&gt;<i> # Olympus - Camera trademark
+</I>&gt;<i> oven
+</I>&gt;<i> Pan
+</I>&gt;<i> # Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> # pioneer - trademark
+</I>&gt;<i> Potion room - one uniq word would better
+</I>&gt;<i> # Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+</I>&gt;<i> Presto
+</I>&gt;<i> Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I
+</I>&gt;<i> suggest to avoid... :)
+</I>&gt;<i> quicksilver
+</I>&gt;<i> rookery
+</I>&gt;<i> # root - will cause mistake with the user
+</I>&gt;<i> stove
+</I>&gt;<i> Synergy - a free software
+</I>&gt;<i> # Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+</I>&gt;<i> # Tea party - politics issue
+</I>&gt;<i> testing - like debian, no personnality
+</I>&gt;<i> transmutation
+</I>&gt;<i> twig
+</I>&gt;<i> # unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+</I>&gt;<i> Vesuvius
+</I>&gt;<i> Vulcan
+</I>&gt;<i> Vulcano
+</I>&gt;<i> wok
+</I>&gt;<i> works - like Ms product ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS - LATMOS
+</I>&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>
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+<PRE>* Nex6 (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that's what happened to me.... as I just joined the list last nite.
+</I>
+Usually when I join a new list, I wait a bit before posting or check
+archives.
+
+Regards.
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+<PRE>I wasn't suggesting the Mageia invest in such..I just wanted to show that the Owner of Mageia.com and his mining company currently does not own any trademark patent copyright etc.
+I'm not a lawyer but if he did apply now I don't think he could then turn around and to what the owners of Mandrake the Magician did to Mandrake Linux.
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Olivier M&#233;jean&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;
+To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 2:06:38 AM
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+
+Lawrence A Fossi a &#233;crit
+&gt;<i> well some good news I think I did a few searches at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/trademarks/index.jsp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.copyright.gov/">http://www.copyright.gov/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/patents/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/patents/index.jsp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.uspto.gov/ip/index.jsp">http://www.uspto.gov/ip/index.jsp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> All 4 have no results for mageia so it looks like he only has the rights to
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.com and possibly the Isn't is magic he has on his website... no
+</I>&gt;<i> clue if any search would produce a result if pending.
+</I>
+It is possible to register a trademark using uspto.gov. The cost is between
+$275 and $325 per class. For a trademark like Mageia there are several classes
+in which it fits (let's say 3 classes), so the cost is between $825 and $975
+(just for US protection if i get it right)
+
+That a nice cost for a project that also needs servors, hosting, etc.
+
+
+
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
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+ <B>Nex6</B>
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+________________________________
+From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 9:59:54 AM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
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+* Nex6 (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> that's what happened to me.... as I just joined the list last nite.
+</I>
+Usually when I join a new list, I wait a bit before posting or check
+archives.
+
+Regards.
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+--
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+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+usually I am more careful....
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 12:57, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> * Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the list is &quot;complete&quot; to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because I need time to do it and obviously I have a real work during the
+</I>&gt;<i> day.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: Didn't I said I don't to see people replying on this list ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just be patient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The new people on the mailist don't see the previous posts on this
+thread and just assume that the search for a &quot;New name for cooker&quot; is
+still on.
+
+If you want a couple of us could take care of answering this thread and
+then you would no longer have to monitor it and concentrate on working
+out the voting page for us.
+
+How does that sound?
+
+You can email me the answer that you wish replied to people on this
+thread and I will post it for you. You could just reply to this note on
+the thread and we will take it from there.
+
+Salut!
+
+Marc
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+
+2010/9/21 Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On offer from OpenSuse to offer your build system, I would like to remind
+</I>&gt;<i> them that an article in the NY Post &lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO">http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/novell_inc_reaches_two_part_sale_lZKRHKFYO5T9cKq9Dy7WQO</A>&gt; says that, in about 4 weeks, Novell, Inc. will be sold to two companies,
+</I>&gt;<i> one that will stay with the Linux partition and one that will hold the rest.
+</I>&gt;<i> It is speculated that the party who will remain with Linux is that VMWare,
+</I>&gt;<i> inc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This warning is just to stay alert. Remember what happened to OpenSolaris
+</I>&gt;<i> after Oracle buy Sun. Would not it be nice if we had a promise now that
+</I>&gt;<i> could not be performed later.
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+<PRE> hello everybody!
+
+I recently see in bdk, request from packagers, it is a great Idea, but
+really complicated;
+exist a topic in the MIB forum about the crash of Mandriva after update,
+the reason: too many repos in/from too many communities containing
+diferents versions of the same libraries.
+coul be a good idea merge those repos in one (contrib)?
+so in that way, we'll be sure that will never crack the distro beacause
+the diferents repos/versions of the same package.
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+regards
+&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> &#160;hello everybody!
+</I>
+Hola Alonso,
+
+&gt;<i> I recently see in bdk, request from packagers, it is a great Idea, &#160;but
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;really complicated;
+</I>&gt;<i> exist a topic in the MIB forum about the crash of Mandriva after update, the
+</I>&gt;<i> reason: too many repos in/from too many communities containing diferents
+</I>&gt;<i> versions of the same libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i> coul be a good idea merge those repos in one (contrib)?
+</I>&gt;<i> so in that way, we'll be sure that will never crack the distro beacause the
+</I>&gt;<i> diferents repos/versions of the same package.
+</I>
+
+We are discussing it. And looks like Mageia is going to have a single
+repo, so this issue will not be an issue.
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 13:18, Alonso Marroquin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> hello everybody!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I recently see in bdk, request from packagers, it is a great Idea, but
+</I>&gt;<i> really complicated;
+</I>&gt;<i> exist a topic in the MIB forum about the crash of Mandriva after update,
+</I>&gt;<i> the reason: too many repos in/from too many communities containing
+</I>&gt;<i> diferents versions of the same libraries.
+</I>&gt;<i> coul be a good idea merge those repos in one (contrib)?
+</I>&gt;<i> so in that way, we'll be sure that will never crack the distro beacause
+</I>&gt;<i> the diferents repos/versions of the same package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi Alonso
+
+This thread is about &quot;New name for cooker&quot;
+
+You are starting a new thread inside an old thread. Could you create a
+new message again and it will create a new thread for you and people
+will probably answer you better that way.
+
+Don't do a &quot;Reply&quot; if you want to create a new thread, you have to
+create a new email message.
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+Cheers
+
+Marc
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+<PRE> El 22/09/2010 11:26 a.m., Marc Par&#233; escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-22 13:18, Alonso Marroquin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hello everybody!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I recently see in bdk, request from packagers, it is a great Idea, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> really complicated;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exist a topic in the MIB forum about the crash of Mandriva after update,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the reason: too many repos in/from too many communities containing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> diferents versions of the same libraries.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> coul be a good idea merge those repos in one (contrib)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so in that way, we'll be sure that will never crack the distro beacause
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the diferents repos/versions of the same package.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Alonso
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This thread is about &quot;New name for cooker&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are starting a new thread inside an old thread. Could you create a
+</I>&gt;<i> new message again and it will create a new thread for you and people
+</I>&gt;<i> will probably answer you better that way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't do a &quot;Reply&quot; if you want to create a new thread, you have to
+</I>&gt;<i> create a new email message.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>my mistake, I beg your pardon, I will if any else comes.
+in the mean time, thanks a lot sinner, that is what I want to ear.
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+
+Is anyone from MiB joining Mageia?
+
+If someone has joined already, has it been a personal decission or is
+MiB joining forces with Mageia?
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+&gt;<i> Pardon me, I've been a little bit out. What happened to OpenSolaris?
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:27:26 -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I love the gejobi &quot;witches hat&quot; logo's!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Me too! Would be nice to provide them somewhere you
+can download them, or maybe it's just that i'm too dumb
+or unused to Flickr.
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+We could use them as forum avatars to support Mageia ;)
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+ <B>Olivier M&#233;jean</B>
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+<PRE>Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is anyone from MiB joining Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If someone has joined already, has it been a personal decission or is
+</I>&gt;<i> MiB joining forces with Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As everyboby here, if members of MiB want to join they are free to do, if not
+they are also free to do.
+
+I guess they will be welcome if they join
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+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+That's life...
+I've always liked very much the stability of Solaris.
+
+On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:09 PM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:19 +0300, Mihai Dobrescu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Pardon me, I've been a little bit out. What happened to OpenSolaris?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/400083/">http://lwn.net/Articles/400083/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> and this :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/405313/">http://lwn.net/Articles/405313/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> basically, oracle killed it, to be revived a community project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 &#224; 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
+</I>&gt;<i> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
+</I>&gt;<i> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
+</I>&gt;<i> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.
+</I>
+Well, no for several reasons:
+
+1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.
+And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and
+non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the
+simple existence of the idea &quot;dev and users&quot; is harmful, IMHO ).
+
+2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:
+
+- depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you
+didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( at least, it does
+stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something
+important or not )
+
+- you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution
+allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't
+interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )
+
+- you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess
+
+- you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,
+to highlight post with keyword )
+
+- you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when
+specialized ml will appear )
+
+- you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for
+git with git am )
+
+- you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )
+
+- most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute
+part )
+
+So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so uncommon
+one among the FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.
+
+
+Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,
+seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass
+in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically
+changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and
+that still reflect my thoughts.
+
+Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like
+Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various
+task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing
+the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for
+everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to
+get on the forum.
+
+So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that
+not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, while
+reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know
+and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I
+have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many
+mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope
+with a user forums.
+
+When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show &quot;hot topic&quot;,
+or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to
+only have the more important discussion ( ie, a
+packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ).
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>2010/9/22 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 &#224; 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, no for several reasons:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.
+</I>&gt;<i> And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and
+</I>&gt;<i> non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the
+</I>&gt;<i> simple existence of the idea &quot;dev and users&quot; is harmful, IMHO ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( at least, it does
+</I>&gt;<i> stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something
+</I>&gt;<i> important or not )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution
+</I>&gt;<i> allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't
+</I>&gt;<i> interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,
+</I>&gt;<i> to highlight post with keyword )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when
+</I>&gt;<i> specialized ml will appear )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for
+</I>&gt;<i> git with git am )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute
+</I>&gt;<i> part )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so uncommon
+</I>&gt;<i> one among the &#160;FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,
+</I>&gt;<i> seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass
+</I>&gt;<i> in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically
+</I>&gt;<i> changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and
+</I>&gt;<i> that still reflect my thoughts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like
+</I>&gt;<i> Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various
+</I>&gt;<i> task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing
+</I>&gt;<i> the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to
+</I>&gt;<i> get on the forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that
+</I>&gt;<i> not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, while
+</I>&gt;<i> reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know
+</I>&gt;<i> and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I
+</I>&gt;<i> have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many
+</I>&gt;<i> mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope
+</I>&gt;<i> with a user forums.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show &quot;hot topic&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to
+</I>&gt;<i> only have the more important discussion ( ie, a
+</I>&gt;<i> packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sounds familiar.
+Said with a friendly voice :)
+
+wobo
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+From: Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Wed, September 22, 2010 11:39:57 AM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
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+Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 &#224; 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a
+</I>&gt;<i> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can
+</I>&gt;<i> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would
+</I>&gt;<i> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction.
+</I>
+Well, no for several reasons:
+
+1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see.
+And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and
+non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the
+simple existence of the idea &quot;dev and users&quot; is harmful, IMHO ).
+
+2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work:
+
+- depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you
+didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( at least, it does
+stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something
+important or not )
+
+- you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution
+allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't
+interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker )
+
+- you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess
+
+- you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus,
+to highlight post with keyword )
+
+- you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when
+specialized ml will appear )
+
+- you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for
+git with git am )
+
+- you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )
+
+- most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute
+part )
+
+So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so uncommon
+one among the FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML.
+
+
+Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml,
+seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass
+in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically
+changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and
+that still reflect my thoughts.
+
+Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like
+Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various
+task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing
+the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for
+everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to
+get on the forum.
+
+So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that
+not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, while
+reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know
+and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I
+have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many
+mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope
+with a user forums.
+
+When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show &quot;hot topic&quot;,
+or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to
+only have the more important discussion ( ie, a
+packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ).
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+
+I am torn, on the ML vs Forums thing. I like forums, and I think for normal
+users it would be easier for them. but; for more active devs/user other Mageia
+personnel a ML would be better.
+
+
+not, sure how to resolve it, its an age old question.
+
+-Nex6
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+&gt;<i> Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is anyone from MiB joining Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If someone has joined already, has it been a personal decission or is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MiB joining forces with Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As everyboby here, if members of MiB want to join they are free to do, if not
+</I>&gt;<i> they are also free to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess they will be welcome if they join
+</I>
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+<PRE>On 20 September 2010 15:17, isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Lovely penguin.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/20 Sadiq Saif &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sadiq.9541 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I really like the font, easy on the eyes. But the logo hmmm..
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sadiq S
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mailto: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sadiq.9541 at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Blog: www.staticsafe.me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Twitter - www.twitter.com/staticsafe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Facebook- www.facebook.com/static.safe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:14 AM, Yves-Ga&#235;l Ch&#233;ny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yves at antredugeek.fr</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a friend of mine have send us this picture :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg">http://antredugeek.fr/logo_mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> waiting for your reaction ;)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hurdman aka yves-gael
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi isadora :)
+
+Please guys/girls, don't top post (when quoting) in mailing lists.
+
+(Hey, don't look at me like that! I only top-posted for just one week
+when I first joined the cooker ML :)).
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just to spec. a little things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's amazing to see all this help coming in. :-) As it's starting to
+</I>&gt;<i> bubble a bit, I would like we share the discussion about forums and
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting them, for the setup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We see two options at this time:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;1. hosting forums at forum.mageia.org (or st like that) and
+</I>&gt;<i> delegating management, animation;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;2. delegating forums per locale/country/whatever and having
+</I>&gt;<i> forum.mageia.org redirect to each.
+</I>(...)
+
+Romain,
+
+As you know, Spanish-speaking community BlogDrake has joined Mageia.
+
+We already have our own infrastructure up and running. Thus, could we
+get Mageia's Spanish-speaking forum to be redirected to
+<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A> ?
+
+Right now, Mandriva's official Spanish-speaking forum is doing just that.
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+--
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+<PRE>Remco Rijnders a &#233;crit
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 08:23:47PM +0200, Olivier M&#233;jean wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Is anyone from MiB joining Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If someone has joined already, has it been a personal decission or is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; MiB joining forces with Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As everyboby here, if members of MiB want to join they are free to do, if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not they are also free to do.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I guess they will be welcome if they join
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MiB? Are these like the men in black, or am I missing something?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes of course, some aliens are behind the fork, i am an alien myself :&#254;
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+<PRE>QuikSilver is a designer clothes trademark, so, quicksilver must be discarded.
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+--- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A> escreveu:
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+From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:57:45 +0200
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+* Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one
+</I>&gt;<i> the list is &quot;complete&quot; to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?
+</I>
+Because I need time to do it and obviously I have a real work during the
+day.
+
+BTW: Didn't I said I don't to see people replying on this list ?
+
+Just be patient.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all, I am new here but &quot;cauldron&quot; is a good name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Nex6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+</I>&gt;<i> noise already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+</I>&gt;<i> mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> post a sumarry here if need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did learn a lot of words !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I made some choice for you (sorry):
+</I>&gt;<i> - read your mail, then take decision according comment
+</I>&gt;<i> - check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+</I>&gt;<i> trademark, well know software, ...).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+</I>&gt;<i> in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> # Abracadabra - Way too long
+</I>&gt;<i> Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+</I>&gt;<i> alchemy - hard to pronouce
+</I>&gt;<i> Baker
+</I>&gt;<i> bakery
+</I>&gt;<i> # blender - it is the name of a well know software
+</I>&gt;<i> brewery, brew - religious issue
+</I>&gt;<i> Bubbling
+</I>&gt;<i> campus
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> Chef
+</I>&gt;<i> concert
+</I>&gt;<i> crucible
+</I>&gt;<i> # Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+</I>&gt;<i> Dreamspot
+</I>&gt;<i> edge
+</I>&gt;<i> elixir
+</I>&gt;<i> Enchantment
+</I>&gt;<i> fire
+</I>&gt;<i> fireworks
+</I>&gt;<i> foundry
+</I>&gt;<i> genesis
+</I>&gt;<i> harmony
+</I>&gt;<i> # Hephaestus - complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> Infusion
+</I>&gt;<i> kettle
+</I>&gt;<i> kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Manna
+</I>&gt;<i> # mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> # mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+</I>&gt;<i> mercury
+</I>&gt;<i> mill
+</I>&gt;<i> mixer
+</I>&gt;<i> Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+</I>&gt;<i> # Olympus - Camera trademark
+</I>&gt;<i> oven
+</I>&gt;<i> Pan
+</I>&gt;<i> # Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> # pioneer - trademark
+</I>&gt;<i> Potion room - one uniq word would better
+</I>&gt;<i> # Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+</I>&gt;<i> Presto
+</I>&gt;<i> Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I
+</I>&gt;<i> suggest to avoid... :)
+</I>&gt;<i> quicksilver
+</I>&gt;<i> rookery
+</I>&gt;<i> # root - will cause mistake with the user
+</I>&gt;<i> stove
+</I>&gt;<i> Synergy - a free software
+</I>&gt;<i> # Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+</I>&gt;<i> # Tea party - politics issue
+</I>&gt;<i> testing - like debian, no personnality
+</I>&gt;<i> transmutation
+</I>&gt;<i> twig
+</I>&gt;<i> # unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+</I>&gt;<i> Vesuvius
+</I>&gt;<i> Vulcan
+</I>&gt;<i> Vulcano
+</I>&gt;<i> wok
+</I>&gt;<i> works - like Ms product ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
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+<PRE>Le 22/09/2010 20:56, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> QuikSilver is a designer clothes trademark, so, quicksilver must be discarded.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:57:45 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why we don't just edit a page on the wiki with all this proposed names, and one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the list is &quot;complete&quot; to propose a pool and vote for the one we like most?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because I need time to do it and obviously I have a real work during the
+</I>&gt;<i> day.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: Didn't I said I don't to see people replying on this list ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just be patient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Florin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sent: Wed, 22 September, 2010 17:11:21
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all, I am new here but &quot;cauldron&quot; is a good name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -Nex6
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sent: Tue, September 21, 2010 5:57:06 PM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> noise already.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> post a sumarry here if need.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I did learn a lot of words !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I made some choice for you (sorry):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - read your mail, then take decision according comment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> trademark, well know software, ...).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # Abracadabra - Way too long
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alchemy - hard to pronouce
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Baker
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bakery
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # blender - it is the name of a well know software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> brewery, brew - religious issue
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bubbling
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> campus
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Chef
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> concert
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> crucible
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dreamspot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> edge
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> elixir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Enchantment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fire
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fireworks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> foundry
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> genesis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> harmony
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # Hephaestus - complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Infusion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kettle
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Manna
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mercury
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mill
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mixer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # Olympus - Camera trademark
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> oven
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # pioneer - trademark
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Potion room - one uniq word would better
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Presto
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggest to avoid... :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quicksilver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rookery
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # root - will cause mistake with the user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stove
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Synergy - a free software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # Tea party - politics issue
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> testing - like debian, no personnality
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> transmutation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> twig
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> # unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vesuvius
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vulcan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vulcano
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wok
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works - like Ms product ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CNRS - LATMOS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Please don't broke thread and don't use top-posting
+
+Marianne
+
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+An user what is mantainer of mandrivausers.com offered himself to turn your forum in the official english-speaking mageia forum and it would be transferred to mageiausers.org. But some issues arose:
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+1. currently, mandrivausers.org uses IPB, what is not free as in the freedom, even gratis. However, that's IPB installation is Legal. The issue was: is ethical to use a non-free forum software to be a free software main forum project?
+
+2. We don't know if mageiausers.org will be the official Mageia forums or only the Mageia english-speakers official forum.
+
+3. In the event of this site become the official forum, does the IPB license allow changing of Domain name?
+
+Note that I refer to the official forum as that what distro directors and main delevopers will be &quot;aways&quot; present and we will can give our views about many questions and decide Mageia future.
+
+--- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
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+From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:56:06 -0400
+
+On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just to spec. a little things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's amazing to see all this help coming in. :-) As it's starting to
+</I>&gt;<i> bubble a bit, I would like we share the discussion about forums and
+</I>&gt;<i> hosting them, for the setup.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We see two options at this time:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;1. hosting forums at forum.mageia.org (or st like that) and
+</I>&gt;<i> delegating management, animation;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;2. delegating forums per locale/country/whatever and having
+</I>&gt;<i> forum.mageia.org redirect to each.
+</I>(...)
+
+Romain,
+
+As you know, Spanish-speaking community BlogDrake has joined Mageia.
+
+We already have our own infrastructure up and running. Thus, could we
+get Mageia's Spanish-speaking forum to be redirected to
+<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A> ?
+
+Right now, Mandriva's official Spanish-speaking forum is doing just that.
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 &#195;&#160; 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a &#195;&#169;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use a reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; devs can post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; since it would bring devs and users closer to each other and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; facilitate interaction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, no for several reasons:
+</I>
+Well I was aware that Mandriva (cooker) has been using a ML since
+forever, so I didn't really expect this to change, but still there was
+no harm in me describing an alternative that does work well for other
+large FOSS projects. :-)
+
+Maybe our future official forum admin will find a way to integrate the
+ML with the forum using a bi-directional gateway.
+I'd guess such a solution would suit everybody since it gives everyone
+individually the choice whether to use ML or forum or a bit of both.
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+</I>&gt;<i> normal users it would be easier for them. but; for more active devs/user
+</I>&gt;<i> other Mageia personnel a ML would be better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> not, sure how to resolve it, its an age old question.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Nex6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Got it. So public forums seem best for the interest of the general
+public, ML (mailist) most likely best for devs mostly due to their
+speed? I would imagine though, that devs on ML would spend some amount
+(hopefully not that much) repeating requests for lack of easy access to
+prior emails. Is this what happens with devs? Do you find that you will
+spend a certain amount of time re-hashing emails as you would have
+missed some prior talk on a subject?
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+Most concern then would be about the dangers of the detachment of both
+groups to one other -- hoping that somewhere along the line, devs and
+the public could have a place to mix so as not to lose touch with each
+other.
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+A community is a little different from a business. The community members
+are all partners. There is no master-servant relationship, more of a
+direction-relationship.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Well I was aware that Mandriva (cooker) has been using a ML since
+</I>&gt;<i> forever, so I didn't really expect this to change, but still there was
+</I>&gt;<i> no harm in me describing an alternative that does work well for other
+</I>&gt;<i> large FOSS projects. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe our future official forum admin will find a way to integrate the
+</I>&gt;<i> ML with the forum using a bi-directional gateway.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd guess such a solution would suit everybody since it gives everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> individually the choice whether to use ML or forum or a bit of both.
+</I>
+Sounds like a possible solution.
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+<PRE>Could you please not break the threads and not top post please. We are
+trying to organize and this is not helping!
+
+You will probably find people will answer you better this way.
+
+Merci de ton aide.
+
+Marc
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+
+Le 2010-09-22 15:14, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> As said yesterday on IRC, there was a discussion if all foruns would be centered in only one site (ex: es.mageiaforums.org or fr.mageiaforums.org) or whether each international community had its own and independent. Was decided by this second one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An user what is mantainer of mandrivausers.com offered himself to turn your forum in the official english-speaking mageia forum and it would be transferred to mageiausers.org. But some issues arose:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. currently, mandrivausers.org uses IPB, what is not free as in the freedom, even gratis. However, that's IPB installation is Legal. The issue was: is ethical to use a non-free forum software to be a free software main forum project?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. We don't know if mageiausers.org will be the official Mageia forums or only the Mageia english-speakers official forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. In the event of this site become the official forum, does the IPB license allow changing of Domain name?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that I refer to the official forum as that what distro directors and main delevopers will be &quot;aways&quot; present and we will can give our views about many questions and decide Mageia future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Sinner from the Prairy&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:56:06 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just to spec. a little things.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's amazing to see all this help coming in. :-) As it's starting to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bubble a bit, I would like we share the discussion about forums and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hosting them, for the setup.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We see two options at this time:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. hosting forums at forum.mageia.org (or st like that) and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> delegating management, animation;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. delegating forums per locale/country/whatever and having
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forum.mageia.org redirect to each.
+</I>&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, Spanish-speaking community BlogDrake has joined Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We already have our own infrastructure up and running. Thus, could we
+</I>&gt;<i> get Mageia's Spanish-speaking forum to be redirected to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right now, Mandriva's official Spanish-speaking forum is doing just that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
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+&gt;<i> Maybe our future official forum admin will find a way to integrate the
+</I>&gt;<i> ML with the forum using a bi-directional gateway.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd guess such a solution would suit everybody since it gives everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> individually the choice whether to use ML or forum or a bit of both.
+</I>
+I have been thinking of web-scraping forums, or tricking weboob
+developers ( <A HREF="http://weboob.org/">http://weboob.org/</A> ) into doing this. But I fear the
+different concept doesn't match together ( ie, lack of thread in most
+forum I have encountered :/ )
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+guarantee it would suit me ).
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010, vfmBOFH wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Similar to the (failed) mandriva assembly, huh?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it can be a good scheme. And comes with some &quot;extras&quot; like localized
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; communities can &quot;elect&quot; their representative on the future associaton, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; turns the &quot;central hub&quot; in a open discuss for them. If this scheme sucess,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; transparency and openess of the representative's discursons are guaranteed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since vfmBOFH mentions the failed mandriva assembly, I'd like to suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> to please keep the organisational structure as flat as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the internet where everyone has equal possibilities to be informed
+</I>&gt;<i> and partecipate we don't need multi-level hierarchical structures with
+</I>&gt;<i> so called local community representatives that have special rights or
+</I>&gt;<i> influence.
+</I>
+Did you read the book &quot;The starfish and the spider&quot; by chance :) ?
+
+( if you didn't, you should, or try to see Max Spevack presentation
+about Fedora organisation )
+
+&gt;<i> As we just saw during the first days of Mageia, the opinion of some
+</I>&gt;<i> local community representatives don't necessarily match at all with the
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions of the members of their community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So personally I don't see any point in local community representatives
+</I>&gt;<i> as decision makers. If anything they should make sure that their
+</I>&gt;<i> communities are informaed by arranging translations of relevant
+</I>&gt;<i> information and manage their local forums, events etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any voting on global Mageia issues should be open to everyone, there
+</I>&gt;<i> should be no delegations or representations as that's not necessary on
+</I>&gt;<i> the internet.
+</I>
+As anti democratic I will sound, I do not like much the idea of voting.
+
+Because this often end promoting segregation rather compromise, and
+giving opinion rather than acting to make the change. In France, we have
+basically 2 side each time, given our voting system, and this create
+manichean situations, which then degenerate in friction. And minorities
+views are mostly not considered.
+
+I also have bad memories of Debian discussion when there is stuff to
+vote.
+
+More ever, i think we should better aim to a system where a minimal
+number of choices will be imposed on others. Ie if we decide to use
+openbox as default wm, we should have a easy way to produce another iso,
+etc.
+
+Of course, default choices will have to be made, but this must be either
+&quot;easy&quot; to change, or at least based on technical ground and numbers
+rather than opinion and political aspects.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I am torn, on the ML vs Forums thing. I like forums, and I think for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; normal users it would be easier for them. but; for more active devs/user
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; other Mageia personnel a ML would be better.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not, sure how to resolve it, its an age old question.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -Nex6
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Got it. So public forums seem best for the interest of the general
+</I>&gt;<i> public, ML (mailist) most likely best for devs mostly due to their
+</I>&gt;<i> speed? I would imagine though, that devs on ML would spend some amount
+</I>&gt;<i> (hopefully not that much) repeating requests for lack of easy access to
+</I>&gt;<i> prior emails. Is this what happens with devs? Do you find that you will
+</I>&gt;<i> spend a certain amount of time re-hashing emails as you would have
+</I>&gt;<i> missed some prior talk on a subject?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Most concern then would be about the dangers of the detachment of both
+</I>&gt;<i> groups to one other -- hoping that somewhere along the line, devs and
+</I>&gt;<i> the public could have a place to mix so as not to lose touch with each
+</I>&gt;<i> other.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A community is a little different from a business. The community members
+</I>&gt;<i> are all partners. There is no master-servant relationship, more of a
+</I>&gt;<i> direction-relationship.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+imo, users like forums and devs like mailing lists and possibly IRC even more
+
+but, devs are also in contact with forum mods and some devs browse through the
+forums once in a while.
+
+furthermore forum mods probably like IRC as well (as also some users do)
+
+but this kind of &quot;seperation&quot; is not necessarily a bad thing. users generally
+discuss more lengthy things while working out what is best in their option,
+conclusions about that are often indicated by forum mods/community leaders to
+devs on IRC/mailing lists.
+
+devs don't want to be too distracted by anything or they get no work done.
+
+as a topping; users and devs also communicate through bug reports, i cannot
+stress this enough, the easiest way to say to a dev, please do feature X is to
+open a feature request on the bugzilla.
+
+I see no need for all of this to change, i believe devs have a sufficient
+advisory input from community; but since this isn't a business, opensource is
+very simple, the dev decides what he does and what he doesn't do.
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+<PRE>As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at
+end of this mail.
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+This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know. However if a
+name clearly win it will be choosen.
+
+End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.
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+<A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
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+Make the good choice !
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 &#224; 12:11 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-22 10:41, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 &#224; 16:53 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Would it make sense to also have a section for &quot;mageia&quot; domain owners to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; track domain owners who are willing to cooperate? You will eventually
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; have to do this anyway. I would also consider this also a type of offer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of cooperation and help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Personally, I think we should not collect all domain names to give them
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to the association :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The offer was to pass on the domain if the Mageia project wanted to have
+</I>&gt;<i> it. It adds flexibility
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) each domain name will need admin time. Either to manage ( ie, set up
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; vhost, setup the zone, add a entry to the zone etc ), or to renew. While
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; renewing 1 domain name every year is easy, renewing 10 or 20 on 10 to 20
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different resellers, for different prices and so on will be quite
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; annoying.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When passing off a domain, the reseller is transferred. You then
+</I>&gt;<i> consolidate all under on reseller. I do this all the time.
+</I>
+Well, depending on the domain, I am not sure that all of them can be
+transferred everywhere.
+
+For example, .ie is restricted as Colin Guthrie explained to me for the
+10 years of Mandriva. And it seems that you cannot buy .ie at gandi.net,
+which is the reseller we have used.
+
+So I do not know if they can manage every type of TLD.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) this will also generate work for people in charge of comptability,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and we know that people doing the work of a CFO are a scarce ressources
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( CFO may not be the proper word, but I didn't found better ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You set a pointer to the main site and there is no need to use the other
+</I>&gt;<i> domain names if you do not wish.
+</I>
+I mean administrative work, like taking care of the bill, reporting them
+on the financial report, etc.
+
+I never managed a association as a treasurer, so I do not know how much
+paperwork is really required, or if this is really annoying, but all the
+one that I know are always already overworked, so I am sure that less
+work is better.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If we use for http :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 4) too much domain will be a pain from a ssl point of view. If we start
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to need ssl for a site, and there is 10 Vhost for it, we will just have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 10 time the work to renew certificates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not applicable if you redirect the domains. You would then only have to
+</I>&gt;<i> establish certificates for those domains that you intend to use.
+</I>
+I beg to differ.
+
+For a http redirect, this will require first to connect using https then
+send the redirect at http level, so a valid certificate is needed before
+the redirect.
+
+If you speak of a &quot;dns redirect&quot;, you can either use a A record, in
+which case the issue would still be valid since browser will ask for the
+certificate of the first domain name, not the redirected one. Or you can
+use a CNAME record, in which case, the issue is the same.
+
+Maybe I forgot something or overlooked it however, but I am quite
+confident of this. And since this will be different TLDs, you cannot use
+a wildcard certificate.
+
+Of course, a solution would be to basically use the same certificate
+everywhere and let warnings appear, this is not a big issue.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 5) too much domain will also requires more work for simple http, since
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we will have lots of them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not applicable if you set a pointer. This will also depend on the amount
+</I>&gt;<i> of website developers help who have signed up.
+</I>
+Well, it mostly depend on the number of vhost needed. For exemple, if we
+want to have blog.example.fr redirect to blog.example.org, we need to
+create a vhost with the redirection. Te issue can be alleviated by using
+some mod_rewrite tricks.
+
+But yes, for the case you gave of simple http redirect, this is not
+tricky to handle.
+
+But it depend on what will be needed. Worst case would be to have
+conditional vhost for each domain ( like only have a blog on some
+subdomain and not others ).
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 6) too much different url will just mean more confusion. I may also fear
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this could be seen by major search engine as unethic SEO, and thus be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; punished ( since link farm is a commonly used technic to try to hijack
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some keywords ). But Google, Yahoo and Bing systems are closed source,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so I do not know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not unethic as all business on the internet do this as common
+</I>&gt;<i> practice. Try to type in URL's for any major corporation, or Yahoo!,
+</I>&gt;<i> Google, Bing etc.
+</I>
+Well, yahoo.fr and yahoo.com do not give the same server, and there is
+some high level redirection. So does Dell ( 2 differents sites ), Apple
+( not the same server, not the same page, redirection to .com with a
+url ), Microsoft ( does like Apple ), Renault ( not the same ip, some
+wierd redirection ), Peugeot.
+
+Ie, among the test i did, only Google and Bind do have the same page
+across various urls.
+
+So my own understanding is that they appear to be different entities to
+most search engines.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If we use for mail :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 7) too much domain will simply mean more spam. If we offer multiple
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; email ( like &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">example at mageia.org</A>, and .de, and .fr and .cn, and so on ),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; email will simply appear in more list, and therefore be more spammed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Domains do not have to be activated for mail. If a domain is not
+</I>&gt;<i> activated for mail service then the mail bounces back to the sender.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is done all of the time.
+</I>
+Well, that why I have said &quot;if we use it for mail&quot;.
+
+And I see at least 1 person using the domain name he bought and offered
+us to use ( see Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl on
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ressources">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ressources</A> ).
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 9) and of course, too much domain name, like for websites will mean more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; confusion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It means less confusion. mageia.org will lead to main site; mageia.ca
+</I>&gt;<i> does lead to main site; magiea.nl would lead to main site; mageia.net
+</I>&gt;<i> would lead to main site; mageia.info would lead to main site ... How
+</I>&gt;<i> would this be confusing?
+</I>
+I was not clear, I was speaking of mail address ( if we use them ).
+And so this would bring confusion because people often rely on the mail
+to see if someone is a official developer or not. Hence, if we use the
+domain for mail, people will use them to post on ml, I assume people
+will use them.
+
+Of course, as you said, we can also decide to not use it.
+
+&gt;<i> By doing business the way that you advocate, you actually lower the
+</I>&gt;<i> fidelity that one would assume of a serious group.
+</I>
+We are not creating a business, but a free software project, IIRC. So
+some concepts may not be applicable directly. And I think that part of
+the fidelity would be earned with local user group with their own
+identity and presence, and likely their own choices, independances and
+domain names.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 10) by registering every possible variation, we are acting selfishly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; toward others netizens.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You have already covered these points up above with #9. #10 is not a new
+</I>&gt;<i> point.
+</I>
+No, 10 is for the paragraph about &quot;lack of good domain name on the
+internet&quot; before, based on the problem about finding a name, and about
+being nice with other people who may use the name in unrelated way.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The only answer I got was about security. But seriously, security of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; what ? Protecting from people doing phishing ? Bank already fail at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this, and you think we can ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Who mentioned security? This is all about flexibility.
+</I>
+First time I mentioned the issue 2 days ago. But I think this was on
+irc, since I cannot find anything in the mailling list archives :/
+
+( if someone can confirm that I didn't dream... )
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I am in charge of finding the replacement name for &quot;cooker&quot;, eg the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> development version of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks you for your suggestions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I just sort all suggestions as promise I give you a summary.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Please, limit your post on this list, this thread has cause enought
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> noise already.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you have a good reason to eliminate a word, or want more explanation,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mail me directly or sent me a message on IRC (Nanar, Freenode), I'll
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> post a sumarry here if need.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I did learn a lot of words !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I made some choice for you (sorry):
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - read your mail, then take &#160;decision according comment
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - check quickly on google for major conflicts (such as widelly know
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; trademark, well know software, ...).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My favorites are word related to room or recipient (to push a change
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in...). I did also notice a lot mail in favor of 'cauldron'.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The list, # mean the word is definitely discard (see the comment to find why).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # Abracadabra - Way too long
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Agora - too common, and <A HREF="http://www.agora.gouv.fr/">http://www.agora.gouv.fr/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Alakazam - like the pokemon ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> alchemy - hard to pronouce
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Baker
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bakery
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # blender - it is the name of a well know software
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> brewery, brew - religious issue
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bubbling
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> campus
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cauldron - taken by sourcemage (is this an issue ?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Chef
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> concert
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> crucible
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # Delphi - refer to Borland delphi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dreamspot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> edge
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> elixir
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Enchantment
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fire
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> fireworks
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> foundry
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> genesis
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> harmony
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # Hephaestus - &#160;complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Infusion
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kettle
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> kitchen - isn't too refering to cooker ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Manna
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # mathetria - mean a disciple (female), complicated
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # mercurial - name of a RCS, will cause mistakes
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mercury
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mill
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mixer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mystique - is it correct in english ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # Olympus - Camera trademark
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> oven
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Pan
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # Phoenix - too complicated, will cause error &quot;&#339;&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # pioneer - trademark
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Potion room - one uniq word would better
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # Pot - &quot;pott&quot; refer to drugs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Presto
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Prometheus - &quot;Prometheus is a fictional character in the Marvel Universe&quot;, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> suggest to avoid... :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> quicksilver
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rookery
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # root - will cause mistake with the user
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> stove
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Synergy - a free software
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # Ta Da! - one word would make our life easier
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # Tea party - politics issue
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> testing - like debian, no personnality
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> transmutation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> twig
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> # unity - name of a distribution (mdv/mageia based !)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Vesuvius
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Vulcan
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Vulcano
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wok
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> works - like Ms product &#160;?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> CNRS &#160;- &#160;LATMOS
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't broke thread and don't use top-posting
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva User
+</I>&gt;<i> Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I like &quot;Sourcery&quot;.
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourcery">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourcery</A>
+
+If that's too common or already taken, perhaps a mashup like &quot;Sourcereia&quot;?
+
+Thanks,
+Rick
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+<PRE>Now thats a nice idea to use all the runner's up as selectable avatars once the new forum is up..and a winner is chosen.
+If the artists wouldn't mind that is.
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Florian Hubold&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:20:37 PM
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+ Am 22.09.2010 19:11, schrieb Maurice Batey:
+&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:27:26 -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I love the gejobi &quot;witches hat&quot; logo's!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Me too! Would be nice to provide them somewhere you
+can download them, or maybe it's just that i'm too dumb
+or unused to Flickr.
+
+We could use them as forum avatars to support Mageia ;)
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+ <B>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez</B>
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+<PRE>Hi, I'm Gamaliel Lamboy. I am a student of Economics at Puerto Rico
+University, with a minor concentration in Cooperativism. I was truly
+impressed by your efforts to fork Mandriva Linux into a full community-based
+operating system, and I fully advocate it. I look forward to contributing,
+although probably not in coding (I am no programmer), to the community in
+various ways, including promoting it among my academic and personal
+environment (I have been getting people on Linux for a good amount of time
+now, and would certainly move them to Mageia ASAP).
+
+Regarding the future plans, I was thinking that you could consider becoming
+a cooperative, since it upholds most of the values behind free software by
+itself, is a community enterprise, and -being an established movement- has
+an enormous amount of financial resources available to its development. It
+is offered simply a means to fund the community, not a community in itself.
+I will brief a bit why I think this is a good choice, but in the end it's
+the community's choice what should reign, and I will support it whichever
+way I can (I'm unemployed right now) regardless of their choice.
+
+1 - collective capital. That means the project will never be individually
+owned or become a free rider inside a corporation's umbrella. More
+importantly, it ensures democracy in the decisions due to joint ownership
+(there is a whole standardized structure to ensure democracy and full
+excercise of joint ownership inside cooperatives).
+2 - transparency. Cooperatives and Linux believe in openness, which in Linux
+means anybody can use, modify and redistribute particular works. A similar
+thing happens in cooperatives; every associate holds the institution
+accountable for the safe management of their funding, which means that all
+accountings and dealings must be openly communicated to all members.
+3 - opportunities - Cooperatives have created a complete ecosystem for
+funding, educating, and assisting emerging institutions: there are
+international alliances such as the International Cooperative
+Alliance&lt;<A HREF="http://www.ica.coop">http://www.ica.coop</A>&gt;,
+thousands of national-scale organizations, cooperative banks, and virtually
+almost any kind of service possible. By choosing to create a cooperative, we
+would not necessarily need to rely on our own capital, but we could finance
+our initial investments through cooperatives specially dedicated for the
+development of these community enterprises. (e.g.
+<A HREF="http://www.cdscotland.co.uk/">http://www.cdscotland.co.uk/</A>).
+4 - it is a nonprofit organization by its own structure.
+
+My idea is that we create a software cooperative that is dedicated to
+funding Mageia Linux through various digital and cooperative means. The
+cooperative would contribute to Mageia, and Mageia would contribute back to
+the community. That's the general plan, but I can make more specific
+statements and answers to queries if needed/wanted.
+
+Anyway, the most important thing is, it's a means to help the entire Linux
+community grow. The definition of cooperative says much more than my
+blabbering: &quot;A co-operative is an autonomous association of persons united
+voluntarily to meet their common economic, social, and cultural needs and
+aspirations through a jointly-owned and democratically-controlled
+enterprise.&quot; It's close enough to what you guys are doing.
+
+There are a gazillion resources to help you guys organize into this model:
+we only need to adapt to it.
+
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+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] On Behalf Of Andr&#233; Machado
+Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 7:14 a.m.
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+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+
+As said yesterday on IRC, there was a discussion if all foruns would be centered in only one site (ex: es.mageiaforums.org or fr.mageiaforums.org) or whether each international community had its own and independent. Was decided by this second one.
+
+An user what is mantainer of mandrivausers.com offered himself to turn your forum in the official english-speaking mageia forum and it would be transferred to mageiausers.org. But some issues arose:
+
+1. currently, mandrivausers.org uses IPB, what is not free as in the freedom, even gratis. However, that's IPB installation is Legal. The issue was: is ethical to use a non-free forum software to be a free software main forum project?
+
+2. We don't know if mageiausers.org will be the official Mageia forums or only the Mageia english-speakers official forum.
+
+3. In the event of this site become the official forum, does the IPB license allow changing of Domain name?
+
+Note that I refer to the official forum as that what distro directors and main delevopers will be &quot;aways&quot; present and we will can give our views about many questions and decide Mageia future.
+
+--- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
+
+Just to answer those questions:
+1. I understand the concept and discussion, but do not agree.
+2. Nobody can give me a clear decision, and every morning I wake up the story has changed :)
+3. Yes
+
+Paul Willard.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> imo, users like forums and devs like mailing lists and possibly IRC even more
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but, devs are also in contact with forum mods and some devs browse through the
+</I>&gt;<i> forums once in a while.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> furthermore forum mods probably like IRC as well (as also some users do)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but this kind of &quot;seperation&quot; is not necessarily a bad thing. users generally
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss more lengthy things while working out what is best in their option,
+</I>&gt;<i> conclusions about that are often indicated by forum mods/community leaders to
+</I>&gt;<i> devs on IRC/mailing lists.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> devs don't want to be too distracted by anything or they get no work done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as a topping; users and devs also communicate through bug reports, i cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> stress this enough, the easiest way to say to a dev, please do feature X is to
+</I>&gt;<i> open a feature request on the bugzilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see no need for all of this to change, i believe devs have a sufficient
+</I>&gt;<i> advisory input from community; but since this isn't a business, opensource is
+</I>&gt;<i> very simple, the dev decides what he does and what he doesn't do.
+</I>
+I think that I am not different than most other users. The life of devs
+is a mystery to us. We often wonder how you spend your lives etc. Maybe
+one of you could throw together a real-life mystery novel on the &quot;Live
+of a dev&quot;. LOL
+
+I can tell you that for most users, using the IRC channels is just too
+much of a challenge and quite frankly of little use. It is too
+&quot;real-time in your face&quot; and hard to get back to check on missed
+messages/answers (impossible to do). I can see where devs would not want
+to be constantly interrupted by interlopers.
+
+I too also see no real reason for change unless the dev team or
+community members find the communication between the two groups is
+lacking. If the tools are set for easy cross communication at the outset
+then there would be no reason to complain. Whether or not a dev or
+community member make use of these tools would be up to them.
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 15:34, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 &#224; 21:19 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe our future official forum admin will find a way to integrate the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ML with the forum using a bi-directional gateway.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd guess such a solution would suit everybody since it gives everyone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> individually the choice whether to use ML or forum or a bit of both.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been thinking of web-scraping forums, or tricking weboob
+</I>&gt;<i> developers ( <A HREF="http://weboob.org/">http://weboob.org/</A> ) into doing this. But I fear the
+</I>&gt;<i> different concept doesn't match together ( ie, lack of thread in most
+</I>&gt;<i> forum I have encountered :/ )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I would at least test such a software if it existed ( but I will not
+</I>&gt;<i> guarantee it would suit me ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+May be cool to try it and see it in action though.
+
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 16:04, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 &#224; 12:11 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-22 10:41, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 21 septembre 2010 &#224; 16:53 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would it make sense to also have a section for &quot;mageia&quot; domain owners to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> track domain owners who are willing to cooperate? You will eventually
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> have to do this anyway. I would also consider this also a type of offer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of cooperation and help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I think we should not collect all domain names to give them
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to the association :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The offer was to pass on the domain if the Mageia project wanted to have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it. It adds flexibility
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1) each domain name will need admin time. Either to manage ( ie, set up
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> vhost, setup the zone, add a entry to the zone etc ), or to renew. While
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> renewing 1 domain name every year is easy, renewing 10 or 20 on 10 to 20
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> different resellers, for different prices and so on will be quite
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> annoying.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When passing off a domain, the reseller is transferred. You then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consolidate all under on reseller. I do this all the time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, depending on the domain, I am not sure that all of them can be
+</I>&gt;<i> transferred everywhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example, .ie is restricted as Colin Guthrie explained to me for the
+</I>&gt;<i> 10 years of Mandriva. And it seems that you cannot buy .ie at gandi.net,
+</I>&gt;<i> which is the reseller we have used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I do not know if they can manage every type of TLD.
+</I>
+If you register with a larger reseller, they will have offices in most
+countries to get around this. They then offer you an account that
+consolidates all domains. The contact information is then coordinated
+from this account.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2) this will also generate work for people in charge of comptability,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and we know that people doing the work of a CFO are a scarce ressources
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( CFO may not be the proper word, but I didn't found better ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You set a pointer to the main site and there is no need to use the other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> domain names if you do not wish.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean administrative work, like taking care of the bill, reporting them
+</I>&gt;<i> on the financial report, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I never managed a association as a treasurer, so I do not know how much
+</I>&gt;<i> paperwork is really required, or if this is really annoying, but all the
+</I>&gt;<i> one that I know are always already overworked, so I am sure that less
+</I>&gt;<i> work is better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It is really not that much of a burden. You can coordinate the billing
+periods with your reseller. They will be more than happy to help you
+with this.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we use for http :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 4) too much domain will be a pain from a ssl point of view. If we start
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to need ssl for a site, and there is 10 Vhost for it, we will just have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 10 time the work to renew certificates.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not applicable if you redirect the domains. You would then only have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> establish certificates for those domains that you intend to use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I beg to differ.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For a http redirect, this will require first to connect using https then
+</I>&gt;<i> send the redirect at http level, so a valid certificate is needed before
+</I>&gt;<i> the redirect.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you speak of a &quot;dns redirect&quot;, you can either use a A record, in
+</I>&gt;<i> which case the issue would still be valid since browser will ask for the
+</I>&gt;<i> certificate of the first domain name, not the redirected one. Or you can
+</I>&gt;<i> use a CNAME record, in which case, the issue is the same.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe I forgot something or overlooked it however, but I am quite
+</I>&gt;<i> confident of this. And since this will be different TLDs, you cannot use
+</I>&gt;<i> a wildcard certificate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, a solution would be to basically use the same certificate
+</I>&gt;<i> everywhere and let warnings appear, this is not a big issue.
+</I>
+Your reseller and/or hosting service would most likely help you out with
+this as well.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 5) too much domain will also requires more work for simple http, since
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> we will have lots of them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not applicable if you set a pointer. This will also depend on the amount
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of website developers help who have signed up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it mostly depend on the number of vhost needed. For exemple, if we
+</I>&gt;<i> want to have blog.example.fr redirect to blog.example.org, we need to
+</I>&gt;<i> create a vhost with the redirection. Te issue can be alleviated by using
+</I>&gt;<i> some mod_rewrite tricks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But yes, for the case you gave of simple http redirect, this is not
+</I>&gt;<i> tricky to handle.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But it depend on what will be needed. Worst case would be to have
+</I>&gt;<i> conditional vhost for each domain ( like only have a blog on some
+</I>&gt;<i> subdomain and not others ).
+</I>
+The hosting service I use give you unlimited redirects and domain
+parking. -- 123ehost.com. It works well and quite painless. These are
+set up in minutes.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 6) too much different url will just mean more confusion. I may also fear
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this could be seen by major search engine as unethic SEO, and thus be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> punished ( since link farm is a commonly used technic to try to hijack
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some keywords ). But Google, Yahoo and Bing systems are closed source,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> so I do not know.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is not unethic as all business on the internet do this as common
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> practice. Try to type in URL's for any major corporation, or Yahoo!,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Google, Bing etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, yahoo.fr and yahoo.com do not give the same server, and there is
+</I>&gt;<i> some high level redirection. So does Dell ( 2 differents sites ), Apple
+</I>&gt;<i> ( not the same server, not the same page, redirection to .com with a
+</I>&gt;<i> url ), Microsoft ( does like Apple ), Renault ( not the same ip, some
+</I>&gt;<i> wierd redirection ), Peugeot.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ie, among the test i did, only Google and Bind do have the same page
+</I>&gt;<i> across various urls.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So my own understanding is that they appear to be different entities to
+</I>&gt;<i> most search engines.
+</I>
+Due to the load on their services, as well as different national
+conditions put on these companies (RIM and problems with their
+BlackBerry servers in UAE and India etc is a good example), to them, it
+makes sense to have separate servers. However, Mageia would not suffer
+at the outset from such a load and if it did, you could then make
+allowances for this.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If we use for mail :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 7) too much domain will simply mean more spam. If we offer multiple
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> email ( like &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">example at mageia.org</A>, and .de, and .fr and .cn, and so on ),
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> email will simply appear in more list, and therefore be more spammed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Domains do not have to be activated for mail. If a domain is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> activated for mail service then the mail bounces back to the sender.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is done all of the time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that why I have said &quot;if we use it for mail&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I see at least 1 person using the domain name he bought and offered
+</I>&gt;<i> us to use ( see Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ressources">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=ressources</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is easily set up. Mageia devs and core groups (once formally
+established) are more than welcome to have a &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">____ at mageia.ca</A> mail
+account if they want one. I will set that up for them along with POP,
+SMTP and Webmail.
+
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 9) and of course, too much domain name, like for websites will mean more
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> confusion.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It means less confusion. mageia.org will lead to main site; mageia.ca
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> does lead to main site; magiea.nl would lead to main site; mageia.net
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would lead to main site; mageia.info would lead to main site ... How
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would this be confusing?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was not clear, I was speaking of mail address ( if we use them ).
+</I>&gt;<i> And so this would bring confusion because people often rely on the mail
+</I>&gt;<i> to see if someone is a official developer or not. Hence, if we use the
+</I>&gt;<i> domain for mail, people will use them to post on ml, I assume people
+</I>&gt;<i> will use them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, as you said, we can also decide to not use it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> By doing business the way that you advocate, you actually lower the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fidelity that one would assume of a serious group.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are not creating a business, but a free software project, IIRC. So
+</I>&gt;<i> some concepts may not be applicable directly. And I think that part of
+</I>&gt;<i> the fidelity would be earned with local user group with their own
+</I>&gt;<i> identity and presence, and likely their own choices, independances and
+</I>&gt;<i> domain names.
+</I>
+If you are looking for foundation grants or government grants, they will
+want to see a business model. They will not lend money to Mageia on
+loose terms. Would you? The core group will have no choice but to adopt
+a business plan if they really want the project to reach their
+advertised goals. Ask any arts group that has applied for grants.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 10) by registering every possible variation, we are acting selfishly
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> toward others netizens.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You have already covered these points up above with #9. #10 is not a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> point.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, 10 is for the paragraph about &quot;lack of good domain name on the
+</I>&gt;<i> internet&quot; before, based on the problem about finding a name, and about
+</I>&gt;<i> being nice with other people who may use the name in unrelated way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The only answer I got was about security. But seriously, security of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> what ? Protecting from people doing phishing ? Bank already fail at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this, and you think we can ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Who mentioned security? This is all about flexibility.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First time I mentioned the issue 2 days ago. But I think this was on
+</I>&gt;<i> irc, since I cannot find anything in the mailling list archives :/
+</I>
+No worry there, there are already speculators who have gobbled up the
+&quot;Mageia&quot; domain permutations that they think will stick, hoping that the
+Mageia project will bring great success. This, hoping to cash out later
+on. I even sent a note out to Anne on Sunday night letting her know that
+the sites were being bought out at a feverish pace.
+
+This is why I think that a further name change later on may be in the
+cards if we find that the &quot;Mageia&quot; domain situation is untenable.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ( if someone can confirm that I didn't dream... )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+ <B>Frank Griffin</B>
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+<PRE>Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that I am not different than most other users. The life of
+</I>&gt;<i> devs is a mystery to us. We often wonder how you spend your lives etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe one of you could throw together a real-life mystery novel on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Live of a dev&quot;. LOL
+</I>
+I'm a dev, although not very much here. Devs want considered,
+structured input, and not several hundred one-line posts from
+technically uninformed people giving their personal opinion on technical
+issues.
+
+There's an old (and somewhat sexist) joke that has a guy telling his
+girlfriend, &quot;if you want a problem solved, tell it to me; if you just
+want to vent, tell it to your girlfriends - that's what they're for&quot;.
+There's a similar issue here. Devs don't want to hear about how much
+time the bug cost you, or how foolish it made you look in front of your
+friends, or how you just won't be able to go on living if it isn't
+fixed, or your estimate of how many people are going to move from
+[distro-1] to [distro-2] because of this. A Dev's concern is:
+
+ 1) is it really something that should be fixed (in the philosophy or
+design of the project) ?
+ 2) what is its priority relative to other work (this usually doesn't
+come from the user) ?
+ 3) has the reporter done as much as possible to get the bug to the
+point where the Dev can work on it as opposed to researching the
+situation(s) that reproduce it ?
+
+Bug reports are as close to this as we're going to get. Not all bug
+reports are good ones, granted. But most of them are of much higher
+quality than hit-and-run comments in a forum. They also have the
+advantage of getting quality input from a triage team member or a Dev
+early on, which avoids wasting users' time by pinpointing actions that
+can narrow the focus of the bug.
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+<PRE>Paul, question:
+
+Is this forum of yours mulitlanguage capable? you know like the
+international forum of Mandriva which also hosts a french section and
+others, while the user only sees the language forum he selects with
+the icons, English being the default.
+We are currently discussing our plans for the German language forum
+and there are some options depending on the capabilities of the
+infrastructure. One is such a scenario as part of the central
+multilanguage system, the other is a redirect vie icon in the
+offcicial forum header - just like the Mandriva forum.
+Could you comment pls?
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+well appreciated. Marketing and communication are now included.
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</A>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm a dev, although not very much here. &#160;Devs want considered,
+</I>&gt;<i> structured input, and not several hundred one-line posts from
+</I>&gt;<i> technically uninformed people giving their personal opinion on technical
+</I>&gt;<i> issues.
+</I>
+I see your point as I see other devel's points in the same line. The
+situation is similar to the garage, I turn up with my car and tell the
+mechanic &quot;There's something wrong with that car.&quot; - that's similar to
+your one-liner user forum posting. Of course there is something wrong,
+otherwise I would not have visited the repair shop in the first place!
+The mechanic is similar to you developpers, he is happy when he can
+lay his hands on a car without all those remarks from car owners who
+can't even find their 8 cylinder big block when you open the hood! But
+a communication between those 2 entities is unavoidable - the problem
+is to make it as easy as possible for *both*.
+
+IMHO there are places like Bugzilla but I also think that some kind of
+interpreter entity and/or platform could be helpful for both sides
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+From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Bornath
+Sent: Thursday, 23 September 2010 9:06 a.m.
+To: Mageia general discussions
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+
+Paul, question:
+
+Is this forum of yours mulitlanguage capable? you know like the
+international forum of Mandriva which also hosts a french section and
+others, while the user only sees the language forum he selects with the
+icons, English being the default.
+We are currently discussing our plans for the German language forum and
+there are some options depending on the capabilities of the infrastructure.
+One is such a scenario as part of the central multilanguage system, the
+other is a redirect vie icon in the offcicial forum header - just like the
+Mandriva forum.
+Could you comment pls?
+_______________________________________________
+
+Good question !!!! :)
+Yes .. although I don't have any language packs installed
+
+Paul Willard
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+<PRE>On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 08:39:57PM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> - you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute
+</I>&gt;<i> part )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, it&#8217;s even worse as I&#8217;m from monday to friday
+morning on a mobile broadband connection. If you haven&#8217;t used that,
+imagine going back to a 56K connection. That&#8217;s exactly what I have at
+the moment so I&#8217;m not going to have to wait several hours until a page
+of a forum is fully loaded (several hundreds of kilobytes at least).
+
+Forum is a no-go for me, while I can only spend some kilobytes for
+getting the mails sent today with offlineimap,
+Same goes for irc, which is just efficient for instant messaging.
+
+For the above reason, I&#8217;m not going to change for a forum which will
+load tons of images and waste my bandwidth. :-)
+
+Regards,
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+ <B>Frank Loewe</B>
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+to take the discussion about domains an end.
+
+We have 200-300 Domains on our own for further projects, or even for nothing, on our own.
+I think, every ISP has this amount or more for &quot;further use&quot;, in the bunker.
+
+So 10 or 20 Domains are not the Problem for the Project mageia.
+
+So where is the prob? The cost... paaaah. does not matter. 1000$ a year for domains... it&#180;s nothing.
+
+--
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No worry there, there are already speculators who have gobbled up the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia&quot; domain permutations that they think will stick, hoping that the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project will bring great success. This, hoping to cash out later on.
+</I>&gt;<i> I even sent a note out to Anne on Sunday night letting her know that the
+</I>&gt;<i> sites were being bought out at a feverish pace.
+</I>
+One of the first questions I asked when I heard about the plan was:
+what will be the name so I can grab the domain before any greedy
+speculator gets his paws on everything that sounds like it?&quot;.
+I registered mageia.de. It is up to the board what will become of it.
+It does not cost me any money and I can use it either as webpage for
+german informations on Mageia or let it stay a simple redirect to
+mageia.org or place a list of links to various Mageia pages as a sort
+of bookmark page for the mageia user.
+And I can always give it to the project if needed.
+
+So at the moment I do not see any problems because this page does not
+cost the project any money, it does not need any attention by the net
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+&gt;<i> there are places like Bugzilla but I also think that some kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> interpreter entity and/or platform could be helpful for both sides
+</I>
+The interpreter layer might be a Forum thread;
+
+Users that feel something is wrong but feel they can not clealy express what,
+or need help diggin into it, should be encouraged to start a thread in the
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+Then that user might learn enough to write a good issue report, or someone
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then that user might learn enough to write a good issue report, or someone
+</I>&gt;<i> else in that thread could offer to help.
+</I>
+Yes, that was always an option. Was it used and did it work? Yes, in
+some cases.
+If this system would be more advertized and used then I think it would
+improve the situation.
+
+We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to for help.
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+
+News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+
+(other languages coming soon)
+
+As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we
+can start very soon.
+As a reminder, you can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A> if you wish
+to contribute or have a look on <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org">http://donation.mageia.org</A> to help
+Mageia project.
+
+Thanks again for your support
+Cheers!
+
+-------
+Anne
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+ <B>David Coulette</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20New%20name%20for%20cooker&In-Reply-To=%3C1285148883.22305.3.camel%40localhost.localdomain%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker">dcoulette at yahoo.fr
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+ <I>Wed Sep 22 11:48:03 CEST 2010</I>
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+=&gt; Crucible ?
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Sep 22 00:01:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Sep 22 23:49:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 168<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000730.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000675.html">[Mageia-discuss] suggestion
+</A><A NAME="675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000679.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000742.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000768.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000770.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000774.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000653.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000648.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000685.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000772.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000644.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001284.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Coulette
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000680.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Coulette
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000664.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000731.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000740.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris Ellis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 80
+</A><A NAME="624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000727.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000761.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000705.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000692.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000767.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000760.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000710.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000719.html">[Mageia-discuss] Foundation mailing list [Was: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..?]
+</A><A NAME="719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000714.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000677.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000775.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000672.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000647.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000773.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000748.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000694.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000749.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000732.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000735.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000686.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good Discussion
+</A><A NAME="686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Moore
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000649.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Czech language
+</A><A NAME="701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000739.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000747.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000711.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000722.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000728.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000676.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000697.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000715.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000720.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000721.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000723.html">[Mageia-discuss] Foundation mailing list [Was: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..?]
+</A><A NAME="723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000724.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000729.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000734.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000752.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000753.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000754.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000764.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000765.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000766.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000769.html">[Mageia-discuss] Added Topics on the signup Wiki -- Thanks
+</A><A NAME="769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 82
+</A><A NAME="620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000706.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000733.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000736.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000661.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000666.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian Translation Team joining Mageia
+</A><A NAME="666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000669.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000684.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000709.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000744.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000762.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000656.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000683.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000690.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000691.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000716.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000707.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000745.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000737.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000755.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000759.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jochen Sch&#246;nfelder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000696.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000725.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000726.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000758.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000650.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000657.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000658.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000671.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000633.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000713.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000718.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestion on boardmembership
+</A><A NAME="622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000645.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000757.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000655.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000763.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000771.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000688.html">[Mageia-discuss] UNSUBSCRIBE
+</A><A NAME="688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ken Williams
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000660.html">[Mageia-discuss] suggestion
+</A><A NAME="660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000652.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000651.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000670.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000614.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 82
+</A><A NAME="614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000662.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000659.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000667.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian Translation Team joining Mageia
+</A><A NAME="667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000777.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000646.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000663.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000665.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Czech language
+</A><A NAME="699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>alexandr at vasilenko.cz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Spanish translation of the first blog post.
+</A><A NAME="687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000654.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation?to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000703.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Sep 22 23:49:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:32:55 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
+ Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i>
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 22 September 2010 Archive by date</title>
+ <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow">
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>22 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Sep 22 00:01:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Sep 22 23:49:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 168<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jochen Sch&#246;nfelder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000614.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 82
+</A><A NAME="614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris Ellis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 82
+</A><A NAME="620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestion on boardmembership
+</A><A NAME="622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 80
+</A><A NAME="624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000633.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000644.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000645.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000646.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000647.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000649.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000648.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000650.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000651.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000652.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000653.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000654.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation?to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000656.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000657.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000660.html">[Mageia-discuss] suggestion
+</A><A NAME="660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000655.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000658.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000659.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000661.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000662.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000663.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000664.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000665.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000666.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian Translation Team joining Mageia
+</A><A NAME="666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000667.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian Translation Team joining Mageia
+</A><A NAME="667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000669.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000670.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000671.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000672.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000675.html">[Mageia-discuss] suggestion
+</A><A NAME="675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000676.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000677.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000679.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001284.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Coulette
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000680.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Coulette
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000683.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000684.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000686.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good Discussion
+</A><A NAME="686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Moore
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000685.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Spanish translation of the first blog post.
+</A><A NAME="687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000688.html">[Mageia-discuss] UNSUBSCRIBE
+</A><A NAME="688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ken Williams
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000690.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000691.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000692.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000694.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000696.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000697.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Czech language
+</A><A NAME="699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>alexandr at vasilenko.cz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Czech language
+</A><A NAME="701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000703.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000705.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000706.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000707.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000709.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000710.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000711.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000713.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000715.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000714.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000716.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000718.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000719.html">[Mageia-discuss] Foundation mailing list [Was: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..?]
+</A><A NAME="719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000720.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000721.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000722.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000723.html">[Mageia-discuss] Foundation mailing list [Was: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..?]
+</A><A NAME="723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000724.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000725.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000726.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000727.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000728.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000729.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000730.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000732.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000731.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000733.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000734.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000735.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000736.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000737.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000739.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000740.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000742.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000744.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000745.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000747.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000748.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000749.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000752.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000753.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000754.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000755.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000757.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000758.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000759.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000760.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000761.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000762.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000763.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000764.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000765.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000766.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000767.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000768.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000769.html">[Mageia-discuss] Added Topics on the signup Wiki -- Thanks
+</A><A NAME="769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000770.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000771.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000772.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000773.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000774.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000775.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000777.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Sep 22 23:49:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:32:55 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Sep 22 00:01:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Sep 22 23:49:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 168<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000758.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000633.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000654.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation?to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000645.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000655.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000677.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000659.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000661.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000664.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000679.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000710.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000713.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000720.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jochen Sch&#246;nfelder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000762.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000769.html">[Mageia-discuss] Added Topics on the signup Wiki -- Thanks
+</A><A NAME="769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000705.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000706.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000707.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000652.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000730.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000745.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000761.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Czech language
+</A><A NAME="699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>alexandr at vasilenko.cz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Czech language
+</A><A NAME="701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000719.html">[Mageia-discuss] Foundation mailing list [Was: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..?]
+</A><A NAME="719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000723.html">[Mageia-discuss] Foundation mailing list [Was: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..?]
+</A><A NAME="723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000662.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000686.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good Discussion
+</A><A NAME="686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Moore
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000649.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000727.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris Ellis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000742.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000752.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000753.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000754.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000755.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000757.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000763.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000764.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000765.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000767.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000768.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000770.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000771.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000772.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000775.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000692.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 80
+</A><A NAME="624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000614.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 82
+</A><A NAME="614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 82
+</A><A NAME="620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000736.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000739.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000744.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000747.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
+</A><A NAME="747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000644.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000646.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000647.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000648.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000650.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000651.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000656.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000657.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000658.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000663.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000665.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000669.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000670.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000671.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000672.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000676.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001284.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Coulette
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000680.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Coulette
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000683.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000684.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000685.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000690.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000691.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000694.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000696.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000697.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000703.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000709.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000711.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000715.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000714.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000716.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000718.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000721.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000722.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000724.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000725.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000726.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000728.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000729.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000748.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000749.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000760.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000732.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000733.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000734.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000735.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000653.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000666.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian Translation Team joining Mageia
+</A><A NAME="666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000667.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian Translation Team joining Mageia
+</A><A NAME="667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000731.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000737.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000740.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Spanish translation of the first blog post.
+</A><A NAME="687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000777.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000660.html">[Mageia-discuss] suggestion
+</A><A NAME="660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000675.html">[Mageia-discuss] suggestion
+</A><A NAME="675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestion on boardmembership
+</A><A NAME="622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000759.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000766.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000773.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000774.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000688.html">[Mageia-discuss] UNSUBSCRIBE
+</A><A NAME="688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ken Williams
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Sep 22 23:49:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:32:55 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
+ Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i>
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 22 September 2010 Archive by thread</title>
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>22 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Sep 22 00:01:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Sep 22 23:49:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 168<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285106503- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285106795- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000611.html">[Mageia-discuss] [OT] pronounciation
+</A><A NAME="611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jochen Sch&#246;nfelder
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285107208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285107208-01285110088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285109062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000614.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 82
+</A><A NAME="614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285109062-01285112060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000620.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 82
+</A><A NAME="620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285109601- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Chris Ellis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285109601-01285112343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285110560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285110560-01285117732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000630.html">[Mageia-discuss] Website software
+</A><A NAME="630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285110840- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000618.html">[Mageia-discuss] Joining
+</A><A NAME="618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285111098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285111098-01285116014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000628.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285111098-01285118603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285111098-01285118603-01285122446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285111098-01285118603-01285122446-01285175475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000730.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285111098-01285118603-01285122446-01285175475-01285179637- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285112656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestion on boardmembership
+</A><A NAME="622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285113255- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000623.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285113255-01285124681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000639.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>John Bowden
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000642.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Drakedalfa
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000644.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000646.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000647.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940-01285139291- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000648.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940-01285139291-01285139681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000650.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940-01285139291-01285139681-01285139770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000651.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas.lecureuil at free.fr
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940-01285139291-01285139681-01285139770-01285144506- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000657.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940-01285139291-01285139681-01285139770-01285144506-01285146499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000665.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940-01285139291-01285139681-01285139770-01285144506-01285146499-01285146838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000669.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940-01285139291-01285139681-01285139770-01285144506-01285146499-01285146838-01285147209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000672.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940-01285139291-01285146360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000663.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285137940-01285139291-01285146360-01285147108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000671.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285113255-01285124681-01285129256-01285131476-01285136921-01285147065- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000670.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285113567- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 80
+</A><A NAME="624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285113645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000625.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285113743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285113743-01285139198- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000649.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285113743-01285139198-01285174909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000727.html">[Mageia-discuss] Google, yahoo, Hotmail and Flickr accounts
+</A><A NAME="727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285114488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000627.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285117026- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000629.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285117026-01285117752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000631.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285117026-01285144456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000656.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285117026-01285144456-01285144649- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000658.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285117026-01285144456-01285144649-01285149364- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000683.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285144456-01285144649-01285149364-01285150222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000685.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285144456-01285144649-01285149364-01285150222-01285152708- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000690.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285144456-01285144649-01285149364-01285150222-01285152708-01285153179- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000691.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285117026-01285148103- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000676.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285117026-01285148103-01285159352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000696.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285117026-01285155680- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000694.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285117026-01285155680-01285159664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000697.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285117026-01285168281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000703.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>borg1911-n6 at yahoo.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000709.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285171800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000711.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285171800-01285172360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000714.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285171800-01285172360-01285172862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000718.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285171800-01285172360-01285172862-01285173470- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000721.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285171800-01285172360-01285172862-01285173470-01285173818- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000722.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285171800-01285172360-01285172862-01285173470-01285173818-01285174174- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000724.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285171800-01285172360-01285172862-01285173470-01285173818-01285174794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000726.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285171800-01285172360-01285172862-01285173470-01285173818-01285174794-01285175069- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000728.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285171800-01285172630- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000716.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285172148- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000715.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285174665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000725.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285174665-01285175077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000729.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="729">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285174665-01285175077-01285175937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000732.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285174665-01285175077-01285175937-01285176324- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000733.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285174665-01285175077-01285175937-01285176360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000734.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285117026-01285168281-01285171116-01285174665-01285175077-01285175937-01285176360-01285176605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000735.html">[Mageia-discuss] New repos
+</A><A NAME="735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Alonso Marroquin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285120892- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000633.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285120892-01285122951- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000637.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285122521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285122731- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285122731-01285123573- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285122731-01285180797- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285122731-01285180797-01285181001- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000742.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285122731-01285180797-01285181449- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Nex6
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285181449-01285183285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000752.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285181449-01285183285-01285185393- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000757.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285181449-01285183285-01285185393-01285187502- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000764.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285181449-01285183285-01285185393-01285187502-01285189232- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000767.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285181449-01285183285-01285185393-01285187502-01285189232-01285190435- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000770.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285181449-01285183285-01285185393-01285187502-01285189232-01285190435-01285191033- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000775.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285181449-01285183285-01285185393-01285187502-01285189232-01285190435-01285191033-01285191386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285122731-01285180797-01285183189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285183189-01285183390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000753.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285183189-01285184053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000755.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285122731-01285180797-01285183189-01285184053-01285187553- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000765.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285122731-01285180797-01285190670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000772.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285125553- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285125553-01285153678- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000692.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285125553-01285153678-01285159192- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia websites/maillists/irc
+</A><A NAME="695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285125862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000641.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285125862-01285136868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000645.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285125862-01285144546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000655.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285125862-01285144546-01285144691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000659.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285125862-01285144546-01285144691-01285146457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000664.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285130278- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285140150- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000652.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285140150-01285165964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285142220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000653.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285144295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000654.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation?to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285144529- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000660.html">[Mageia-discuss] suggestion
+</A><A NAME="660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285144529-01285147953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000675.html">[Mageia-discuss] suggestion
+</A><A NAME="675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285146149- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000661.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285146149-01285148206- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000677.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285146149-01285148206-01285148766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000679.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285146149-01285171750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000710.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285146149-01285171750-01285172111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000713.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285146149-01285171750-01285172111-01285173263- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000720.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285146294- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000662.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285146294-01285146717- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285146294-01285146717-01285147771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285146294-01285147758- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000674.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285146294-01285147758-01285148335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285146294-01285147758-01285148335-01285149253- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285146294-01285147758-01285148335-01285149356- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285146294-01285147758-01285148335-01285149356-01285152066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285146294-01285147758-01285148335-01285149356-01285152066-01285155304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Future of mageia
+</A><A NAME="693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>neo67
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285146521- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000666.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian Translation Team joining Mageia
+</A><A NAME="666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285146521-01285146646- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000667.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian Translation Team joining Mageia
+</A><A NAME="667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285148883- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001284.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1284">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Coulette
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285149288- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000680.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Coulette
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285149288-01285149583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000684.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285150073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000686.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good Discussion
+</A><A NAME="686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Moore
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285150602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Spanish translation of the first blog post.
+</A><A NAME="687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285150602-01285151671- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000688.html">[Mageia-discuss] UNSUBSCRIBE
+</A><A NAME="688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ken Williams
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285165891- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Czech language
+</A><A NAME="699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>alexandr at vasilenko.cz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285165891-01285166881- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Czech language
+</A><A NAME="701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285166462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285166462-01285171885- -->
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+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
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+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285166462-01285171885-01285185859-01285190684- -->
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+</A><A NAME="773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
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+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="000704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
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+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
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+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
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+</A><A NAME="717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
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+<!--1 01285169782-01285170193- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000706.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285169782-01285170258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000707.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="000708.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
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+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
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+</A><A NAME="731">&nbsp;</A>
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+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="000737.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
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+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
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+<!--2 01285175988-01285178975-01285180191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000740.html">[Mageia-discuss] Rumor: VMWare will buy Novell Linux division (about OpenSuse offer)
+</A><A NAME="740">&nbsp;</A>
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+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
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+</A><A NAME="739">&nbsp;</A>
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+<I>Remco Rijnders
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+<LI><A HREF="000747.html">[Mageia-discuss] MiB and Mageia
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+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="000745.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="745">&nbsp;</A>
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+</I>
+
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+</A><A NAME="748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
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+</A><A NAME="749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
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+<I>R James
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+</A><A NAME="750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285182859-01285183631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000754.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285182859-01285187485- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000763.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul Willard
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="000768.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<LI><A HREF="000771.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
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+<I>Paul Willard
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+<I>Michael Scherer
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+<LI><A HREF="000758.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
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+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285186897- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000761.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="000762.html">[Mageia-discuss] A suggestion regarding community organization.
+</A><A NAME="762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285190012- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000769.html">[Mageia-discuss] Added Topics on the signup Wiki -- Thanks
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+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="000777.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
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+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 17:36, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then that user might learn enough to write a good issue report, or someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> else in that thread could offer to help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that was always an option. Was it used and did it work? Yes, in
+</I>&gt;<i> some cases.
+</I>&gt;<i> If this system would be more advertized and used then I think it would
+</I>&gt;<i> improve the situation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to for help.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+I like the idea of &quot;bug friends&quot;. Great idea!
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>Le 22/09/2010 23:49, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we
+</I>&gt;<i> can start very soon.
+</I>&gt;<i> As a reminder, you can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A> if you wish
+</I>&gt;<i> to contribute or have a look on <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org">http://donation.mageia.org</A> to help
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks again for your support
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Anne,
+
+Thanks for that great work!
+
+It looks like the Paypal payment page is not fully secure, according to
+both Firefox and Chromium.
+
+Would it be possible to fix that?
+
+Cheers,
+
+ Daniel
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 16:49:05, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we
+</I>&gt;<i> can start very soon.
+</I>&gt;<i> As a reminder, you can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A> if you wish
+</I>&gt;<i> to contribute or have a look on <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org">http://donation.mageia.org</A> to help
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks again for your support
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>Excelent! :)
+
+I wonder to know if there is already a ideology for mageia. So we can answer
+the 10,000 million quiestion: what is the difference with mandriva?
+
+I mean for a normal user, someone that is not involved with the linux
+movement. Lets say as an example, in 1998, when i started with Linux, i did
+ask several people for what should be my first distro. Everybody toldme
+Mandrake, because it was for quick star for newbies. That was the big
+difference with other distros.
+
+I wonder if there is a state like this.
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 00:13, Daniel Le Berre a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2010 23:49, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can start very soon.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As a reminder, you can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A> if you wish
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to contribute or have a look on <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org">http://donation.mageia.org</A> to help
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks again for your support
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Anne,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for that great work!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like the Paypal payment page is not fully secure, according to
+</I>&gt;<i> both Firefox and Chromium.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would it be possible to fix that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+On the top of paypal page there is a blue header image coming from
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> (AUFML which helps Mageia with fund raising)
+
+Here is the url :
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/sites/default/files/color/pixture_reloaded-f21616a6/header.png">http://mandrivafr.org/sites/default/files/color/pixture_reloaded-f21616a6/header.png</A>
+
+We can certainly put https instead of http but your browsers will then
+complain that mandrivafr.org uses a certificates they cannot verify (we
+have our own root certificate) :)
+
+Once Mageia gets its own infrastructure this issue will have to be
+solved cleanly but for the moment could we consider this minor ?
+
+Regards,
+Ma&#226;t
+
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> As you know, Spanish-speaking community BlogDrake has joined Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We already have our own infrastructure up and running. Thus, could we
+</I>&gt;<i> get Mageia's Spanish-speaking forum to be redirected to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right now, Mandriva's official Spanish-speaking forum is doing just that.
+</I>
+As soon as we have a working host forum.mageia.org and we can put
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+Le 23 sept. 2010 &#224; 00:26, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 00:13, Daniel Le Berre a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2010 23:49, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can start very soon.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As a reminder, you can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A> if you wish
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to contribute or have a look on <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org">http://donation.mageia.org</A> to help
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks again for your support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Anne,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for that great work!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like the Paypal payment page is not fully secure, according to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> both Firefox and Chromium.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would it be possible to fix that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the top of paypal page there is a blue header image coming from
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> (AUFML which helps Mageia with fund raising)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the url :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/sites/default/files/color/pixture_reloaded-f21616a6/header.png">http://mandrivafr.org/sites/default/files/color/pixture_reloaded-f21616a6/header.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can certainly put https instead of http but your browsers will then
+</I>&gt;<i> complain that mandrivafr.org uses a certificates they cannot verify (we
+</I>&gt;<i> have our own root certificate) :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once Mageia gets its own infrastructure this issue will have to be
+</I>&gt;<i> solved cleanly but for the moment could we consider this minor ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+
+Safari considers that the page is not secure at all, but no warning message :)
+
+IMHO, it is certainly not a minor issue.
+
+Apart people using Safari (or maybe IE, I have no access to IE), all people willing to donate something by paypal will have that warning.
+
+You should maybe put a message in the header to explain the reason of that warning.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Daniel
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 20:56, Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you know, Spanish-speaking community BlogDrake has joined Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We already have our own infrastructure up and running. Thus, could we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> get Mageia's Spanish-speaking forum to be redirected to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A> ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Right now, Mandriva's official Spanish-speaking forum is doing just that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As soon as we have a working host forum.mageia.org and we can put
+</I>&gt;<i> redirections, we'll do that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+Thank you Romain!
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+Salut,
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 16:49:05, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;<i> I wonder to know if there is already a ideology for mageia. So we can
+</I>&gt;<i> answer the 10,000 million quiestion: what is the difference with mandriva?
+</I>
+I'd ask:
+how big can this kitchen be? Can we all cook in the same stoves, or are we
+going to be stepping on each other?
+Does it have modern appliances: microwaves, combo gas-electric oven etc?
+Will it be suitable for all sorts of food, or only destined to prepare one
+dish? Would it welcome &quot;guest&quot; Chefs to occasionally cook for us?
+
+And after each one will make his/her mess in there, who is going to clean it
+up?
+
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 00:58, Daniel Le Berre a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 23 sept. 2010 &#224; 00:26, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 00:13, Daniel Le Berre a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 22/09/2010 23:49, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> can start very soon.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As a reminder, you can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A> if you wish
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to contribute or have a look on <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org">http://donation.mageia.org</A> to help
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks again for your support
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Anne,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for that great work!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It looks like the Paypal payment page is not fully secure, according to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> both Firefox and Chromium.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Would it be possible to fix that?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On the top of paypal page there is a blue header image coming from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> (AUFML which helps Mageia with fund raising)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is the url :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/sites/default/files/color/pixture_reloaded-f21616a6/header.png">http://mandrivafr.org/sites/default/files/color/pixture_reloaded-f21616a6/header.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We can certainly put https instead of http but your browsers will then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> complain that mandrivafr.org uses a certificates they cannot verify (we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have our own root certificate) :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Once Mageia gets its own infrastructure this issue will have to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solved cleanly but for the moment could we consider this minor ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Safari considers that the page is not secure at all, but no warning message :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO, it is certainly not a minor issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Apart people using Safari (or maybe IE, I have no access to IE), all people willing to donate something by paypal will have that warning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You should maybe put a message in the header to explain the reason of that warning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Daniel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've found where this image was defined. I replaced it with Paypal
+default header =&gt; Ugly but... no more warning from now i think :)
+
+Cheers,
+Ma&#226;t
+
+(/me goes to rest)
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 17:24, Frank Loewe a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Ok pals,
+</I>&gt;<i> to take the discussion about domains an end.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have 200-300 Domains on our own for further projects, or even for nothing, on our own.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think, every ISP has this amount or more for &quot;further use&quot;, in the bunker.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So 10 or 20 Domains are not the Problem for the Project mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So where is the prob? The cost... paaaah. does not matter. 1000$ a year for domains... it&#180;s nothing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Mit freundlichem Gru&#223;
+</I>&gt;<i> Frank Loewe
+</I>&gt;<i> Gesch&#228;ftsf&#252;hrer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes the cost is marginal. The names not so much.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 23 september 2010 00:03:44 schreef Marc Par&#233;:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-22 17:36, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/22 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Then that user might learn enough to write a good issue report, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; someone else in that thread could offer to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, that was always an option. Was it used and did it work? Yes, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some cases.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If this system would be more advertized and used then I think it would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; improve the situation.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; help. _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like the idea of &quot;bug friends&quot;. Great idea!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+
+As a dev, i would not be opposed to a person who gives some kind of structured
+info about some priority bugs (eg: to a dev mailing list), or possibly via
+IRC. (not too often, and mostly about 'forgotten' bugs; or sometimes help with
+testing...)
+
+
+In real life, mostly this kind of thing happens when a prominent forum member
+or a forum leader or a user mailing list prominent member gives a priority
+case a &quot;better explanation&quot; of what is going on, sometimes giving small hints
+on IRC. (I guess they could be 'bug friends' in that sense)
+
+
+I might have forgotten triage people, sorry, triage people are important for
+the devs and i'm pretty sure they're underappreciated; they too help the
+bridge and sometimes are on forums, and urge users to submit a bug report. In
+that sense often they are 'bug friends' too.
+
+
+I don't know if it's required for this kind of bug friends to be official; i
+might be inclined to believe they would rather prefer anonymous or even
+officious. Also, I'm not even sure who would even want this job...
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-22 17:36, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like the idea of &quot;bug friends&quot;. Great idea!
+</I>In the past, this was done by moderators or ombudsmen (Adam Williamson,
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I've found where this image was defined. I replaced it with Paypal
+</I>&gt;<i> default header =&gt; Ugly but... no more warning from now i think :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (/me goes to rest)
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+Merci Ma&#226;t de votre appui!
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 19:38, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-22 17:36, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like the idea of &quot;bug friends&quot;. Great idea!
+</I>&gt;<i> In the past, this was done by moderators or ombudsmen (Adam Williamson,
+</I>&gt;<i> for example).
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+Yes, I think most of us remember Adam and appreciated his helpful hints.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-22 17:49, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we
+</I>&gt;<i> can start very soon.
+</I>&gt;<i> As a reminder, you can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A> if you wish
+</I>&gt;<i> to contribute or have a look on <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org">http://donation.mageia.org</A> to help
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks again for your support
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>
+Thanks to all at Mageia, looks all great!
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 22 September 2010 23:01:19 Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+&gt;<i> As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at
+</I>&gt;<i> end of this mail.
+</I>
+And for the people not aware, this means the name of the unstable development
+version of the distribution (like Fedora Rawhide and Debian Sid), and it will
+continue to have the same name even after any product releases.
+
+
+&gt;<i> This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know. However if a
+</I>&gt;<i> name clearly win it will be choosen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Make the good choice !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 22 September 2010 23:01:19 Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> end of this mail.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And for the people not aware, this means the name of the unstable development
+</I>&gt;<i> version of the distribution (like Fedora Rawhide and Debian Sid), and it will
+</I>&gt;<i> continue to have the same name even after any product releases.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know. However if a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> name clearly win it will be choosen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Make the good choice !
+</I>
+Dang! I caught this too late to submit my preferred choice.
+
+I wanted &quot;Sourcery&quot; or a mashup like &quot;Sourcereia&quot;.
+(think Sourcery + Mageia gives us a twist on Pizzeria :)
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourcery">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sourcery</A>
+
+Is there a way to add more names or vote for &quot;write-in&quot; candidates?
+
+Thanks,
+Rick
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-22 19:38, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-22 17:36, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for help.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I like the idea of &quot;bug friends&quot;. Great idea!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In the past, this was done by moderators or ombudsmen (Adam Williamson,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for example).
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Yes, I think most of us remember Adam and appreciated his helpful hints.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+And at BlogDrake we had the help of Pacho Ramos.
+
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+Sinner
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 2010-09-22 19:38, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Le 2010-09-22 17:36, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; 2010/9/22 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I like the idea of &quot;bug friends&quot;. Great idea!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; In the past, this was done by moderators or ombudsmen (Adam Williamson,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; for example).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, I think most of us remember Adam and appreciated his helpful hints.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And at BlogDrake we had the help of Pacho Ramos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there are people ready to be ombudsmen , I think it is the best
+</I>solution.
+
+Eventually coupled whith a progressive constitution of 'how to's
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+easyly go 'uphill' towards filing usefull bug reports themselves.
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+&gt;<i> On 22 September 2010 18:36, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looking in wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i want to help in the spread of mageia here in mexico, what group should i be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> added?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd say: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=supporter">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=supporter</A> (see the
+</I>&gt;<i> description there).
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Dunno myself. Trying to read the list during work week. To many posts
+for poor working man... Added myself to supporters list as reality. Real
+name Ben Bullard, handle dwightpaige79. Printing pressman (New Orleans,
+commercial printing) and Mandriva user of 4 or so years. What a working
+slog like me can do is yet to be determined. But looking forward and
+bearing no ill will towards others or other groups.
+
+--
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+Dwight Paige
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+&gt;<i> Am 22.09.2010 19:11, schrieb Maurice Batey:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:27:26 -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I love the gejobi &quot;witches hat&quot; logo's!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Me too! Would be nice to provide them somewhere you
+</I>&gt;<i> can download them, or maybe it's just that i'm too dumb
+</I>&gt;<i> or unused to Flickr.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could use them as forum avatars to support Mageia ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Printing pressman me like graphic art which I print. Some good stuff
+there. Maybe should be preserved for forum avatars? Or future use. Some
+could go on individual Mageia package icons. Lots of good work though.
+Kudos all.
+
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+Dwight Paige
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/22 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>
+German translation of the blog entry and the donation page available
+on <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/wordpress/?p=718">http://www.mandrivauser.de/wordpress/?p=718</A>
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>Subject tells it all.
+If you want to donate via bank transfer using IBAN and BIC from
+outside of France you have to give the postal address of the receiver.
+Unfortunately I could not find something like an imprint on the AUFML
+page where the postal address is usually given (in Germany necessary
+by law).
+
+Could someone pls enter these informations in the donation page? I
+wanted to donate but couldn't :(
+
+
+wobo
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+ <B>Olivier M&#233;jean</B>
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+<PRE>Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit
+&gt;<i> Subject tells it all.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to donate via bank transfer using IBAN and BIC from
+</I>&gt;<i> outside of France you have to give the postal address of the receiver.
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately I could not find something like an imprint on the AUFML
+</I>&gt;<i> page where the postal address is usually given (in Germany necessary
+</I>&gt;<i> by law).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could someone pls enter these informations in the donation page? I
+</I>&gt;<i> wanted to donate but couldn't :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Will it be ok with this :
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg</A>
+
+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+twitter : obagoom
+identi.ca : goom
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+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Donations%20page%20-%20missing%20address%20of%20AUFML&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTimP1WZ4eO5ozSH8xzQFcQ%2B%2BhFCQHNwcUwpcijff%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
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+<PRE>2010/9/23 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will it be ok with this :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg</A>
+</I>
+Sorry Olivier - it's too early for me! I got up at 5 and already
+translated the blog pages - still blind as a mole!
+
+1. I do not need the address when I use SEPA/EU for transfer - works,
+just transferred.
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+2. The postal address of AUFML is on the donation page, just a couple
+of lines below, in the &quot;Donations by check&quot; section!
+
+arf! (is that the correct expression in French?)
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+wobo
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+<PRE>2010/9/23 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/23 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Will it be ok with this :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry Olivier - it's too early for me! I got up at 5 and already
+</I>&gt;<i> translated the blog pages - still blind as a mole!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. I do not need the address when I use SEPA/EU for transfer - works,
+</I>&gt;<i> just transferred.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. The postal address of AUFML is on the donation page, just a couple
+</I>&gt;<i> of lines below, in the &quot;Donations by check&quot; section!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> arf! (is that the correct expression in French?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hello !
+
+The address which is specified in the &quot;donate via check&quot; section is not the
+association address. The postal address of the association is the one on the
+file that Olivier MEJEAN gave in his e-mail.
+
+The address in the &quot;donate via check&quot; section is the address of the
+treasurer.
+
+
+I hope it will answer the qauestions.
+
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+<PRE>* Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at
+</I>&gt;<i> end of this mail.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
+</I>
+I had some comment on the doodle, my replies:
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+&quot;I would like to suggest another item in the list to be inserted: Aurora&quot;
+- Rejected: <A HREF="http://auroralinux.org/">http://auroralinux.org/</A>
+
+&quot;Are you so kind to show us the results, please? Thanks!&quot;
+- Sure, Friday, 14H00 GMT (maybe you'll have to wait a bit after, the time to
+ format results)
+
+&quot;Coloquei genesis na minha op&#231;&#227;o, gostaria que fosse Xavantes, mas ,
+gostei do nome Genesis porque lembra
+quanto o universo e a terra foram criados pelas M&#227;os Deus,
+gostei bacana... 8)&quot;
+- If someone can identify the language and translate in english (or in
+ french)...
+
+Regards.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+Le 23/09/2010 09:36, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Coloquei genesis na minha op&#231;&#227;o, gostaria que fosse Xavantes, mas ,
+</I>&gt;<i> gostei do nome Genesis porque lembra
+</I>&gt;<i> quanto o universo e a terra foram criados pelas M&#227;os Deus,
+</I>&gt;<i> gostei bacana
+</I>Google translate Portuguese to french. The guys says he choose Genesis
+but he likes Xavante that means something like genesis : Universe and
+world created by god
+
+Something like that
+
+Chag
+
+--
+&quot;Ca ne marche pas&quot; ne veut rien dire. Alors ne dites rien (ou d&#233;veloppez !)
+&quot;it doesn't work&quot; means nothing. So, say nothing (or say more !)
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 07:53, Olivier M&#233;jean a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Subject tells it all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you want to donate via bank transfer using IBAN and BIC from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> outside of France you have to give the postal address of the receiver.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Unfortunately I could not find something like an imprint on the AUFML
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> page where the postal address is usually given (in Germany necessary
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> by law).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could someone pls enter these informations in the donation page? I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wanted to donate but couldn't :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Will it be ok with this :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg">http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/rib-aufml.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Link added on <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org">http://donate.mageia.org</A> just in case...
+
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+Le 21/09/2010 20:34, Farfouille a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sunday, Teuf was on the contributors list but he is not any more. Is
+</I>&gt;<i> it a mistake or what ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Well I realize that my question was a bit rude. My bad.
+I was so glad when I first saw Teuf on the list on Sunday and quite
+disappointed when he wasn't anymore on Tuesday, but that's life.
+The show must go on and sure it will.
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+On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:27:26 -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I love the gejobi &quot;witches hat&quot; logo's!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>+1 for &quot;witches hat&quot;
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+Beside the flickr web site, is there a poll already set up ? Something
+that doesn't require to have a flickr/yahoo account (their form is far
+to intrusive on personal data) ?
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+By the way, I don't like
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+. It makes me think to a mix of Mc Donald and Olympique de Marseille, a
+french soccer club. If Mageia should stand clear from politic, I think
+she (beautiful ship isn't she ?) should also stand clear from soccer XD.
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+<A HREF="http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0">http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0</A>
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+2010/9/23 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/22 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> German translation of the blog entry and the donation page available
+</I>&gt;<i> on <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/wordpress/?p=718">http://www.mandrivauser.de/wordpress/?p=718</A>
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+&gt;<i> who is responsible for the insertion of new language on fron page in my case serbian
+</I>
+can you please send your text to mageia-contact at zarb.org ? we will add it
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+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Farfouille &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">farfouille64 at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:27:26 -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/with/5012754619/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I love the gejobi &quot;witches hat&quot; logo's!
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 for &quot;witches hat&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Beside the flickr web site, is there a poll already set up ? Something that
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't require to have a flickr/yahoo account (their form is far to
+</I>&gt;<i> intrusive on personal data) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way, I don't like
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-1491252@N24/.">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/43049453@N04/5012895324/in/pool-1491252@N24/.</A> It makes me think to a mix of Mc Donald and Olympique de Marseille, a
+</I>&gt;<i> french soccer club. If Mageia should stand clear from politic, I think she
+</I>&gt;<i> (beautiful ship isn't she ?) should also stand clear from soccer XD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
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+ <B>Ma&#226;t</B>
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+ <I>Thu Sep 23 10:52:54 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 10:24, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Turkish translation of blog entry and related links available:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0">http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+Thanks for the translation !
+
+Coud you please take the html from <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org">http://donate.mageia.org</A> (save as
+html in your browser)
+
+Translate the text inside the .html file and send the whole translated
+.html back to me ?
+
+As i'm under heavy load at the moment that would save me a lot of time
+and minimize the risk of errors.
+
+That would be very very helpful !
+
+Cheers,
+Ma&#226;t
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+upload at least 3 images so that it can be visible by all (called safe
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+&gt;<i> Just as a reminder: if you create new account on flickr, you need to
+</I>&gt;<i> upload at least 3 images so that it can be visible by all (called safe
+</I>&gt;<i> account)
+</I>
+Sorry exact amount is 5
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/23 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Just as a reminder: if you create new account on flickr, you need to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upload at least 3 images so that it can be visible by all (called safe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; account)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry exact amount is 5
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
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+&gt;<i> Turkish translation of blog entry and related links available:
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+Le 23/09/2010 10:59, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/23 Anne nicolas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just as a reminder: if you create new account on flickr, you need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upload at least 3 images so that it can be visible by all (called safe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> account)
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry exact amount is 5
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>So it is definitively not the best place to organize a poll, if any
+(while it might be to present the logos).
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry exact amount is 5
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it is definitively not the best place to organize a poll, if any (while
+</I>&gt;<i> it might be to present the logos).
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+&gt;&gt;<i> So it is definitively not the best place to organize a poll, if any (while
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it might be to present the logos).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe but the easiest to setup for now :)
+</I>
+Plus, I am not sure we're yet to organize a poll. Although we do need
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the translation !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Coud you please take the html from <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org">http://donate.mageia.org</A> (save as
+</I>&gt;<i> html in your browser)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Translate the text inside the .html file and send the whole translated
+</I>&gt;<i> .html back to me ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As i'm under heavy load at the moment that would save me a lot of time
+</I>&gt;<i> and minimize the risk of errors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be very very helpful !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Italian translation needed?
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+&gt;<i> Il 23/09/2010 10:52, Ma&#226;t ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the translation !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Coud you please take the html from <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org">http://donate.mageia.org</A> (save as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> html in your browser)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Translate the text inside the .html file and send the whole translated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .html back to me ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As i'm under heavy load at the moment that would save me a lot of time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and minimize the risk of errors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would be very very helpful !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Italian translation needed?
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me know.
+</I>
+
+Sure! Thanks
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Matteo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>On Thursday 23 Sep 2010 21:54:11 Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:47, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So it is definitively not the best place to organize a poll, if any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (while it might be to present the logos).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe but the easiest to setup for now :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Plus, I am not sure we're yet to organize a poll. Although we do need
+</I>&gt;<i> a logo, we do need to take the time too to review the guidelines,
+</I>&gt;<i> proposals, improve designs and then launch a vote process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>
+
+Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. Graphic artists
+and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision about
+the logo. To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market
+because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+different reactions. We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+engender in that target market.
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+We need to go to the market determined to succeed, so that when the world
+hears Linux they see and think and feel Mageia. Choosing logos and pallets
+and marketing materials is not something you leave to a lottery.
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
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+<PRE>02010/9/23 Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. &#160;Graphic artists
+</I>&gt;<i> and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision about
+</I>&gt;<i> the logo. &#160;To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market
+</I>&gt;<i> because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+</I>&gt;<i> different reactions. &#160;We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> engender in that target market.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to go to the market determined to succeed, so that when the world
+</I>&gt;<i> hears Linux they see and think and feel Mageia. &#160;Choosing logos and pallets
+</I>&gt;<i> and marketing materials is not something you leave to a lottery.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
++ 100 !
+
+That's what we need and what Mandriva lacked all the time : a marketing expert
+Thx for bringing this topic to a professional level.
+
+I do not regard the current work as minor, pls don't get me wrong.
+There are some nice looking ones, no doubt. But for a project logo for
+a worldwide player (even if not in the business world) it needs a bit
+more professionality in the whole process.
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+Le 23/09/2010 13:10, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 02010/9/23 Graham Lauder&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. Graphic artists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the logo. To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different reactions. We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> engender in that target market.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need to go to the market determined to succeed, so that when the world
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hears Linux they see and think and feel Mageia. Choosing logos and pallets
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and marketing materials is not something you leave to a lottery.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> + 100 !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what we need and what Mandriva lacked all the time : a marketing expert
+</I>&gt;<i> Thx for bringing this topic to a professional level.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not regard the current work as minor, pls don't get me wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> There are some nice looking ones, no doubt. But for a project logo for
+</I>&gt;<i> a worldwide player (even if not in the business world) it needs a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> more professionality in the whole process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>Completely agree with Graham and Wolfgang. Despite I'm far from being a
+marketing guy, my profesionnal experience taught me
+that marketing stuff is quite as important as technical one (hey not as
+much, I'm still a tech guy ;) )
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+cheers
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 11:16, Adrian Marcinkowski a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-09-23 10:24, atilla ontas pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Turkish translation of blog entry and related links available:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Polish translation of the Dotations page:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://invteam.pl/mageia/dotacje.html">http://invteam.pl/mageia/dotacje.html</A>
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+</I>Please check <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/pl/">http://donate.mageia.org/pl/</A>
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+And let me know if it's ok :)
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+A chinese supporter has sent me a translation for the Mageia
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+after reviewing the temporary wiki, I was left with the impression that
+some order was needed.
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+I have started to do it for the translators page, adding subcategory for
+each language, and it seems to be done also for users community, but I
+think it would be good to sort :
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web</A> , ( by technology, even if it
+seems a vast majority of people do php/js/html )
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+people who want to provides a mirror )
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=developers">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=developers</A> ( by technology )
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums</A> ( by language )
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=communication">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=communication</A> by country ( not sure
+about that one )
+
+and for those who registered on
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A> , please do not overlook
+the mentoring category at the end of the page, because I guess Anssi is
+feeling lonely alone at the bottom . It may also help to put a category
+of people needing mentoring ( even if I fear that the number of mentor
+will not be able to immediatly digest the number of people who are
+motivated to become packager ).
+
+So if you have some time to spare ( unlike me ), can some people try to
+help to organize it ? The goal is not to have a perfect order, but just
+a less cluttered view of the wiki.
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+Thanks in advance.
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+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 12:48, Matteo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Il 23/09/2010 10:52, Ma&#226;t ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for the translation !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Coud you please take the html from <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org">http://donate.mageia.org</A> (save as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> html in your browser)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Translate the text inside the .html file and send the whole translated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .html back to me ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As i'm under heavy load at the moment that would save me a lot of time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and minimize the risk of errors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would be very very helpful !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Italian translation needed?
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yeesssss !
+
+We need italian translation of course ! Your help is welcome indeed :)
+
+Cheers,
+Ma&#226;t
+
+btw ve need also .el .es .fi .nb .nl .ru and .sl :o)
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+
+2010/9/23 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A chinese supporter has sent me a translation for the Mageia introduction
+</I>&gt;<i> page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1946207/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html">http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1946207/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+&gt;&gt;<i> And let me know if it's ok :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Looks well. It would be good to add the Polish IRC channel to the
+</I>&gt;<i> list. It's been posted on the front page but not there.
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+geek-er :D
+I mean, some look to make it get out of the line of other linux distros.
+A good logo and a good look (in KDE also) are needed.
+Please take the time, do not decide on the rush, these are sometimes most
+important things in the eye of the newbies and unexperienced users in order
+to gain them.
+... the stability is well known...
+
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Farfouille &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">farfouille64 at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 13:10, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 02010/9/23 Graham Lauder&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. Graphic
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> artists
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> about
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the logo. To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> different reactions. We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> engender in that target market.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We need to go to the market determined to succeed, so that when the world
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> hears Linux they see and think and feel Mageia. Choosing logos and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> pallets
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and marketing materials is not something you leave to a lottery.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> + 100 !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's what we need and what Mandriva lacked all the time : a marketing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> expert
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thx for bringing this topic to a professional level.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do not regard the current work as minor, pls don't get me wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are some nice looking ones, no doubt. But for a project logo for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a worldwide player (even if not in the business world) it needs a bit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> more professionality in the whole process.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Completely agree with Graham and Wolfgang. Despite I'm far from being a
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing guy, my profesionnal experience taught me
+</I>&gt;<i> that marketing stuff is quite as important as technical one (hey not as
+</I>&gt;<i> much, I'm still a tech guy ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 &#224; 19:29 +0800, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I'm afraid i could not read it, because dropbox has been banned from China.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+and <A HREF="http://www.zarb.org/~misc/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html">http://www.zarb.org/~misc/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html</A> ?
+ ( but it seems to be in some weird encoding, I cannot read it myself )
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+ <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. &#160;Graphic artists
+</I>&gt;<i> and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision about
+</I>&gt;<i> the logo. &#160;To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market
+</I>&gt;<i> because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+</I>&gt;<i> different reactions. &#160;We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> engender in that target market.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to go to the market determined to succeed, so that when the world
+</I>&gt;<i> hears Linux they see and think and feel Mageia. &#160;Choosing logos and pallets
+</I>&gt;<i> and marketing materials is not something you leave to a lottery.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Graham Lauder,
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> INGOTs Assessor Trainer
+</I>&gt;<i> (International Grades in Open Technologies)
+</I>&gt;<i> www.theingots.org
+</I>
+
+Hear! Hear!
+
+Let's first decide on the color pallet and style. Then build a logo
+following those directives.
+
+Current logos could provide a way to test color pallettes, though, so
+the effort is not wasted.
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+Salut,
+Sinner
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-23 07:37, Mihai Dobrescu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> As simple user I must say I have always needed Mandriva to look a bit
+</I>&gt;<i> geek-er :D
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean, some look to make it get out of the line of other linux distros.
+</I>&gt;<i> A good logo and a good look (in KDE also) are needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Please take the time, do not decide on the rush, these are sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> most important things in the eye of the newbies and unexperienced users
+</I>&gt;<i> in order to gain them.
+</I>
+You can also look at it from a practical point of view.
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+If a logo is decided soon enough, then the whole of the graphics art
+department can get together to finalize and refine. Are we looking for a
+completed graphics package from the logo competition people or we
+looking for a logo concept that approaches that type of quality output
+but willing to put in more effort once the logo is adopted?
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+Finding a logo concept and refining it as a team effort may in fact
+prove more time/quality efficient. IMHO, a logo should not be discounted
+if it has not been given that polished look because it may be a great
+fit for Mageia regardless.
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+What I've had like in mandrake/mandriva when I was younger is yellow star.
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+But what I hate now... is yellow star and pingus.
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+I really think a logo for mageia don't need a linux/mandriva/mandrake link.
+
+Mageia is something else. What is the mageia nearest linux distro is debian
+:<i> 100% community.
+</I>
+Does Debian logo has a link with Tux, yellow star ? No.
+Does distro-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named ;))) logo has a link with Tux, yellow star
+? Not at all.
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+A logo contest is important, in 3 or 4 tours.
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+Clear skies, and.... great job.
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+ <B>Funda Wang</B>
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+<PRE>Thanks. I gave a galance on it, there are no major problems on it. We
+could publish it on the web.
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+The file itself is encoded in utf-8, but it has a wrong html lang declared:
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+&lt;html dir=&quot;ltr&quot; lang=&quot;en&quot;&gt;
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+Off-topic, the word &quot;fork&quot; never have a perfect word matching in Chinese.
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+2010/9/23 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 &#224; 19:29 +0800, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm afraid i could not read it, because dropbox has been banned from China.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and <A HREF="http://www.zarb.org/~misc/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html">http://www.zarb.org/~misc/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;( but it seems to be in some weird encoding, I cannot read it myself )
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+now to find a team.
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+Cheers,
+motitos
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+2010/9/23 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> after reviewing the temporary wiki, I was left with the impression that
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have started to do it for the translators page, adding subcategory for
+</I>&gt;<i> each language, and it seems to be done also for users community, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> think it would be good to sort :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web</A> , ( by technology, even if it
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+I love SOURCERY (it'll be the best one)
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+I also proposed SPARK but none of them are in the doodle pool
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+ <B>Lombard Marianne</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I love SOURCERY (it'll be the best one)
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+</I>&gt;<i> I also proposed SPARK but none of them are in the doodle pool
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+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>Sparc is a processeur architecture. The homophony (in french at least)
+can be a problem for me.
+
+And perhaps Oliver has just missed your message. The thread is very long
+and confused.
+
+Marianne
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+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate)
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+&gt;<i> and for those who registered on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A> , please do not overlook
+</I>&gt;<i> the mentoring category at the end of the page, because I guess Anssi is
+</I>&gt;<i> feeling lonely alone at the bottom . It may also help to put a category
+</I>&gt;<i> of people needing mentoring ( even if I fear that the number of mentor
+</I>&gt;<i> will not be able to immediatly digest the number of people who are
+</I>&gt;<i> motivated to become packager ).
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+i've added a &quot;main packages by category&quot; section, to try to see who is
+interested in what.
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+==&gt; this will show us at a glance where we lack people
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+please put your name in the packages you're interested in, and don't
+hesitate to add more categories. we'll see later on how to re-organize
+the categories if needed.
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+<PRE>Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not
+because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed.
+This is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life
+of any product.
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+I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some
+logos, based on Mageia's meaning, but a bit derived:
+- a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+- cat's eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils,
+alternately)
+- an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+- any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon's horn)
+- an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe's stories the orb is a link,
+like a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )
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+</I>&gt;<i> i've added a &quot;main packages by category&quot; section, to try to see who is
+</I>&gt;<i> interested in what.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt; this will show us at a glance where we lack people
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> please put your name in the packages you're interested in, and don't
+</I>&gt;<i> hesitate to add more categories. we'll see later on how to re-organize
+</I>&gt;<i> the categories if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>
+I'm not sure that is the best way to select packages. I'd have imagined
+that for all the new packagers that don't already have packages they
+worked on on cooker, there will be a big list of all
+orphan/non-assigned packages and we put our names next to the ones
+we are interested in.
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+I don't want to restrict myself based on specific categories, but rather
+specific apps that I'm familiar with (because I use them and/or have
+packaged/backported before by myself).
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:57 AM, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's first decide on the color pallet and style. Then build a logo
+</I>&gt;<i> following those directives.
+</I>
+Glad to see this take an excellent direction.
+
+Before you decide on the color pallet, style, review the announcement
+(claiming the big lines) and... I've got to reunite our notes for the
+manifesto - but these are important pieces to help write the logo full
+guidelines. Please take into account (and update)
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A> .
+
+About the &quot;market target&quot;, I believe we're still in early stages of
+putting everything in line (infra, build system, first devel ISOs
+maybe) before we've got the time to address this in depth. So a more
+unique personality to the project should be pursued first I think.
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+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] Im Auftrag von Graham Lauder
+Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. September 2010 12:58
+An: Mageia general discussions
+Betreff: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
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+On Thursday 23 Sep 2010 21:54:11 Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 11:47, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So it is definitively not the best place to organize a poll, if any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (while it might be to present the logos).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Maybe but the easiest to setup for now :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Plus, I am not sure we're yet to organize a poll. Although we do need
+</I>&gt;<i> a logo, we do need to take the time too to review the guidelines,
+</I>&gt;<i> proposals, improve designs and then launch a vote process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>
+
+Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. Graphic artists
+
+and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision
+about
+the logo. To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market
+because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+different reactions. We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+engender in that target market.
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+We need to go to the market determined to succeed, so that when the world
+hears Linux they see and think and feel Mageia. Choosing logos and pallets
+and marketing materials is not something you leave to a lottery.
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+--
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+100% agree with Graham.
+The whole appearance must be coherent. There are special criteria which
+makes a good logo/web appearance, which I and possible most other layperson
+don't know.
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+The best way would be, there is a marketing team which works out some
+proposals. The users can then vote for their favorite proposal. Maybe Graham
+can form such a marketing team? Are there other people with (professional)
+marketing and design experience?
+
+What about Nuno Pinheiro? I would really love to see him working on that.
+Would be worth to me some donations :)
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+TeaAge
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 Cassian Braconnnier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ptyxs at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You should say &quot;the right modern greek pronunciation&quot; is Ma-ye&#233;-a, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ancient greek (whose pronunciation is presumably most world-wide known...)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the pronunciation is assuredly ma-ge&#239;-a.
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+</I>&gt;<i> That's what they told me in school when we talked about Homer and
+</I>&gt;<i> Plato and Sokrates and all the other guys with beards who used to live
+</I>&gt;<i> in barrels. :)
+</I>Hey, I thought only Diogene used to do that :D
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+display. That is, downloading the file the right way (I managed to do
+so already with Chinese HTML files before, but here... I'm lost). Any
+advice?
+
+Romain
+
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 13:52, Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Thanks. I gave a galance on it, there are no major problems on it. We
+</I>&gt;<i> could publish it on the web.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The file itself is encoded in utf-8, but it has a wrong html lang declared:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;html dir=&quot;ltr&quot; lang=&quot;en&quot;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> where it should be:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;html dir=&quot;ltr&quot; lang=&quot;zh-CN&quot;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Off-topic, the word &quot;fork&quot; never have a perfect word matching in Chinese.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/23 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 &#224; 19:29 +0800, Funda Wang a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I'm afraid i could not read it, because dropbox has been banned from China.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and <A HREF="http://www.zarb.org/~misc/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html">http://www.zarb.org/~misc/Mageia_Chinese_Intro.html</A> ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;( but it seems to be in some weird encoding, I cannot read it myself )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 07:55:34PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's what they told me in school when we talked about Homer and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Plato and Sokrates and all the other guys with beards who used to live
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in barrels. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey, I thought only Diogene used to do that :D
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+Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
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+</I>&gt;<i> Off-topic, the word &quot;fork&quot; never have a perfect word matching in Chinese.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>What do you say when a river forks into 2 beds (as in some places
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+</I>&gt;<i> I love SOURCERY (it'll be the best one)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also proposed SPARK but none of them are in the doodle pool
+</I>
+I probably miss your, all my apologies for this.
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+Spark =&gt; sparc, as Marianne said, homophony can be a problem
+SOURCERY =&gt; some others projects have this name.
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+So no regrets.
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+CNRS - LATMOS
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/23 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Off-topic, the word &quot;fork&quot; never have a perfect word matching in Chinese.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you say when a river forks into 2 beds (as in some places
+</I>&gt;<i> before it enters the ocean)? That's river fork as is Mandriva keeps
+</I>&gt;<i> running along inits old bed and Mageia &quot;forks&quot; into a new bed.
+</I>There is no such river in China. We only have branches rather than
+forks, cause there is always one main branch called master, like svn
+or git.
+
+I think a branch is very different from a fork. For instance, forking
+a process (programming) is very hard to understand in Chinese
+literatrue.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I think a branch is very different from a fork. For instance, forking
+</I>&gt;<i> a process (programming) is very hard to understand in Chinese
+</I>&gt;<i> literatrue.
+</I>
+I see, so if something splits into 2 ongoing parts then one is always
+th superior and the other is the branch? Ok, I'm sure there are many
+expressions in Chinese which may be alien to our languages.
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 &#224; 14:18 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Jerome Quelin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i've added a &quot;main packages by category&quot; section, to try to see who is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interested in what.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ==&gt; this will show us at a glance where we lack people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; please put your name in the packages you're interested in, and don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hesitate to add more categories. we'll see later on how to re-organize
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the categories if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; j&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure that is the best way to select packages. I'd have imagined
+</I>&gt;<i> that for all the new packagers that don't already have packages they
+</I>&gt;<i> worked on on cooker, there will be a big list of all
+</I>&gt;<i> orphan/non-assigned packages and we put our names next to the ones
+</I>&gt;<i> we are interested in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't want to restrict myself based on specific categories, but rather
+</I>&gt;<i> specific apps that I'm familiar with (because I use them and/or have
+</I>&gt;<i> packaged/backported before by myself).
+</I>
+Then just add a category for non specialized packagers.
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+We haven't got the infrastructure yet, so we are not yet trying to
+divide packages among maintainers.
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+ <B>Jerome Quelin</B>
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+&gt;<i> I'm not sure that is the best way to select packages. I'd have imagined
+</I>&gt;<i> that for all the new packagers that don't already have packages they
+</I>&gt;<i> worked on on cooker, there will be a big list of all
+</I>&gt;<i> orphan/non-assigned packages and we put our names next to the ones
+</I>&gt;<i> we are interested in.
+</I>
+i don't want to dwelve in package details - except really big ones such
+as kernel or gcc. we'll see at this level of detail later on when
+importing svn and rebuilding packages for mageia.
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+but new packagers already know the area(s) that attract them. eg, lots
+of people expressed interest in games, others in kde, etc.
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+this will allow to see &quot;oops, nobody wants to maintain firefox, we may
+have a problem herei - what do we do to fix it?&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> I don't want to restrict myself based on specific categories, but rather
+</I>&gt;<i> specific apps that I'm familiar with (because I use them and/or have
+</I>&gt;<i> packaged/backported before by myself).
+</I>
+agreed, we all do that. i know i won't maintain packages that i don't
+use. yet, it's possible to generalize... eg, you wrote &quot;(prefer
+audio/video apps)&quot; when registering as a potential packager: you can
+therefore create a new media / audio / video category listing that you
+are interested in this area. you can even details what type of app you
+are interested in: recording, audio stack, audio editing, conversion,
+etc? it doesn't mean you will take care of all audio / video packages,
+nor that you are the de-facto overlord of this area - but that you may
+give a hand sometime.
+
+(and if you intend to be the overlord in one category, please state it! :-) )
+
+is it clearer?
+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+&gt;<i> after reviewing the temporary wiki, I was left with the impression that
+</I>&gt;<i> some order was needed.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I have started to do it for the translators page, adding subcategory for
+</I>&gt;<i> each language, and it seems to be done also for users community, but I
+</I>&gt;<i> think it would be good to sort :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=web</A> , ( by technology, even if it
+</I>&gt;<i> seems a vast majority of people do php/js/html )
+</I>
+Btw, could we put some rewrite rule to hide the hideous &quot;doku.php?id=&quot; ?
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+
+Do you need a Dutch translation?
+Let me know, and i'll work on it.
+
+Isadora
+
+2010/9/23 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 10:24, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Turkish translation of blog entry and related links available:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0">http://forum.mandrivaturkiye.com/index.php?topic=2071.0</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the translation !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Coud you please take the html from <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org">http://donate.mageia.org</A> (save as
+</I>&gt;<i> html in your browser)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Translate the text inside the .html file and send the whole translated
+</I>&gt;<i> .html back to me ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As i'm under heavy load at the moment that would save me a lot of time
+</I>&gt;<i> and minimize the risk of errors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be very very helpful !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>
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+--
+Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I love SOURCERY (it'll be the best one)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I also proposed SPARK but none of them are in the doodle pool
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I probably miss your, all my apologies for this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Spark =&gt; sparc, as Marianne said, homophony can be a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> SOURCERY =&gt; some others projects have this name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So no regrets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS &#160;- &#160;LATMOS
+</I>&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+I'm bummed about ruling out Sourcery. Is Sourcereia is too strange?
+
+My favorite on the list *was* Presto, as in the magician's phrase
+&quot;Presto Chango&quot; and there is a brand of cooking products named Presto.
+
+Unfortunately, there's a commercial software named Presto so we'd
+better steer clear of that.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.prestomypc.com">http://www.prestomypc.com</A>
+
+Thanks,
+Rick
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you need a Dutch translation?
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me know, and i'll work on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi Isadora,
+
+Thanks a lot for your offer !
+
+.nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)
+
+Your help is most welcome !
+
+Cheers,
+Ma&#226;t
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+&gt;<i> On 10/09/23 14:18 +0200, Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm not sure that is the best way to select packages. I'd have imagined
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that for all the new packagers that don't already have packages they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; worked on on cooker, there will be a big list of all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; orphan/non-assigned packages and we put our names next to the ones
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we are interested in.
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+</I>&gt;<i> i don't want to dwelve in package details - except really big ones such
+</I>&gt;<i> as kernel or gcc. we'll see at this level of detail later on when
+</I>&gt;<i> importing svn and rebuilding packages for mageia.
+</I>
+Of course, that makes sense, that's why I thought going into any level
+of detail at this point is premature.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I don't want to restrict myself based on specific categories, but rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; specific apps that I'm familiar with (because I use them and/or have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packaged/backported before by myself).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> agreed, we all do that. i know i won't maintain packages that i don't
+</I>&gt;<i> use. yet, it's possible to generalize... eg, you wrote &quot;(prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> audio/video apps)&quot; when registering as a potential packager: you can
+</I>&gt;<i> therefore create a new media / audio / video category listing that you
+</I>&gt;<i> are interested in this area.
+</I>
+Agreed, but I don't want to restrict myself to specific categories.
+Even though I'm mostly interested in audio/video apps, I might find that
+(as a hypotetical example) 'rsync' is unmaintained and therefore decide
+to take that on too.
+So assigning ourselves to specific categories now, might show up
+misleading lack of packagers in some areas, which then in reality won't
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+ <B>Yves-Gael Cheny</B>
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+First sorry for my english i'm a french guy :p
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+Perhaps , before make any choice about a logo or over graphical identity,
+we have to debate about the image we want to send out.
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+We can propose between one and three word who explain what mageia
+distribution is there us. So, from that list, perhaps a graphist can make
+a real work ?
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>On Jueves, 23 de Septiembre de 2010 16:55:43 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> freedom - unity - equality
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/23 Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think a branch is very different from a fork. For instance, forking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a process (programming) is very hard to understand in Chinese
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> literatrue.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I see, so if something splits into 2 ongoing parts then one is always
+</I>&gt;<i> th superior and the other is the branch? Ok, I'm sure there are many
+</I>&gt;<i> expressions in Chinese which may be alien to our languages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually Mageia is more a branch than a fork anyway /me thinks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>In English (at least here in North Central Texas) when referring to a
+river, a branch and a fork are much the same thing ... either can
+indicate the dividing of a river in either the upstream or the down
+stream direction. But in Unix/Linux a fork usually means that a process
+(the parent) makes a copy of itself (the child), and then these both
+continue, possibly on their own but not necessarily (do I understand
+that correctly?). If that is so (definition of fork for Linux), is
+their an appropriate word or phrase (is that the right way to say it?)
+in Chinese? Hope that helps. Hope it isn't too hopelessly off the mark.
+Regards
+Fred James
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+<PRE>Il 23/09/2010 13:34, Ma&#226;t ha scritto:
+&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 13:27, Adrian Marcinkowski a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And let me know if it's ok :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Looks well. It would be good to add the Polish IRC channel to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> list. It's been posted on the front page but not there.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done :)
+</I>Italian translation of the donations page: ready.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.webdinamico.net/Mageia-ANewLinuxDistribution.html">http://www.webdinamico.net/Mageia-ANewLinuxDistribution.html</A>
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 17:03, gejo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Jueves, 23 de Septiembre de 2010 16:55:43 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> freedom - unity - equality
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My three words:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Easy to use - freedom - community
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye.
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>freedom community joy
+
+--
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+Mandriva User
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate)
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+<PRE>&#22312; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> In English (at least here in North Central Texas) when referring to a
+</I>&gt;<i> river, a branch and a fork are much the same thing ... either can
+</I>&gt;<i> indicate the dividing of a river in either the upstream or the down
+</I>&gt;<i> stream direction. But in Unix/Linux a fork usually means that a process
+</I>&gt;<i> (the parent) makes a copy of itself (the child), and then these both
+</I>&gt;<i> continue, possibly on their own but not necessarily (do I understand
+</I>&gt;<i> that correctly?). If that is so (definition of fork for Linux), is
+</I>&gt;<i> their an appropriate word or phrase (is that the right way to say it?)
+</I>&gt;<i> in Chinese? Hope that helps. Hope it isn't too hopelessly off the mark.
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> Fred James
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there's really no words
+
+match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think using the word
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+branch in Chinese: &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.
+
+Maybe Funda Wang could use the term?
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+Success!!!!
+
+Isadora
+
+2010/9/23 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Let me know, and i'll work on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Isadora,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot for your offer !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> .nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your help is most welcome !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i> I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there's really no words
+</I>&gt;<i> match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think using the word
+</I>&gt;<i> branch in Chinese: &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.
+</I>Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won't fit the meaning of fork.
+
+Anyway, fork is a word we Chinese people rarely use, especially in IT
+field. For instance, China Mobile forked Android OS, and named it
+OPhone, but it said OPhone was developed by itself :(
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+&gt;<i> Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm the force behind the Swedish Mandriva Community
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://mandriva-se.org">http://mandriva-se.org</A>) which has grown quite fast since we started the
+</I>&gt;<i> site 619 days ago. The other day some of the users announced that they
+</I>&gt;<i> were moving from Mandriva to Linux Mint since the future of Mandriva is
+</I>&gt;<i> so uncertain. A day or two later someone announced that they found
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia and that they were hoping to continue using Mandriva but in the
+</I>&gt;<i> form of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because of this i've published a poll about weither to migrate
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva-se.org to Mageia-se.org or to just start Mageia-se.org as a new
+</I>&gt;<i> website meant to act as the Swedish community-site for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No matter which alternative the users pick there will be a Mageia-se.org
+</I>&gt;<i> so that Swedish users can discuss Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I therefor ask to be put on the list on your website so that the users
+</I>&gt;<i> of Mandriva-se.org can see that i'm serious in supporting this new
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva fork and that they can feel comfortable in switching from
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva to Mageia when it gets ready for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---
+</I>&gt;<i> David V. Wallin
+</I>&gt;<i> +46 (0)8 41 00 39 82
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Vi f&#246;rs&#246;ker st&#228;ndigt f&#246;rb&#228;ttra oss och ber er d&#228;rf&#246;r om 1 minut f&#246;r att
+</I>&gt;<i> l&#228;mna ditt omd&#246;mme:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Excellent news!
+
+Please add your name and <A HREF="http://mandriva-se.org">http://mandriva-se.org</A> to this list:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums</A>
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+&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Envoy&#233;&#160;: 23 septembre 2010 08:13
+&#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
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+Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not
+because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This
+is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any
+product.
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+I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some
+logos, based on Mageia's meaning, but a bit derived:
+- a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+- cat's eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+- an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+- any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon's horn)
+- an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe's stories the orb is a link, like
+a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )
+
+What do you think?
+
+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+-------------------------------
+Hi all,
+
+Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.
+
+- Forget black cat
+- I'm not sure an Owl is a good idea
+- No magic wand for God's sake
+
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+Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 18:00:42, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i agree, they work, are great, and people know these to be good, we need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MCC with everything on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some of those are a bit dated, and we could clean up some of the code, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i want to keep those.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The integration of the current MCC with the desktop environment is not very
+</I>&gt;<i> good.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to use Qt tools for my Kde, and Gtk tools for my Gnome.
+</I>
+That might double maintainer(s) workload maintaining two different GUI
+frontends....
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> De&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;&#160;: 23 septembre 2010 08:13
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This
+</I>&gt;<i> is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any
+</I>&gt;<i> product.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some
+</I>&gt;<i> logos, based on Mageia's meaning, but a bit derived:
+</I>&gt;<i> - a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - cat's eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon's horn)
+</I>&gt;<i> - an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe's stories the orb is a link, like
+</I>&gt;<i> a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> -------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Forget black cat
+</I>&gt;<i> - I'm not sure an Owl is a good idea
+</I>&gt;<i> - No magic wand for God's sake
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+And definitely forget about black stars instead of eyes' pupils:
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+<A HREF="http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639">http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639</A>
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+That image still give me nightmares. ;o)
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+&gt;<i> On 20 September 2010 01:14, Martial Saunois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">martial.saunois at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 18:00:42, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i agree, they work, are great, and people know these to be good, we need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MCC with everything on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some of those are a bit dated, and we could clean up some of the code, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i want to keep those.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The integration of the current MCC with the desktop environment is not very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to use Qt tools for my Kde, and Gtk tools for my Gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That might double maintainer(s) workload maintaining two different GUI
+</I>&gt;<i> frontends....
+</I>
+They don't have to be different, a lot of drakxtools use the &quot;interactive&quot;
+module to build their interface, which can support curses, Gtk, or text
+output.
+A Qt backend for &quot;interactive&quot; would be doable, and it does not mean
+having a double maintainance effort.
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+Olivier Blin - blino
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. Graphic artists
+</I>&gt;<i> and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision
+</I>&gt;<i> about the logo. To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market
+</I>&gt;<i> because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+</I>&gt;<i> different reactions. We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> engender in that target market.
+</I>
+In fact, I would do quite the contrary. In order to test the process and
+organize the community, I would first do a test-run of the process and
+try to work on it.
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+Later, once we are sure that the process is working, etc, etc, then we
+can rethink on the real logo.
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+Ie, like we do prototyping for software, we should prototype the
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+&gt;<i> Cauldron is perfect !
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+
+The reversion of the Dutch translation.
+Success once again!!!!!!
+
+Isadora
+
+Op 23 september 2010 17:10 schreef isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt; het
+volgende:
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+&gt;<i> Attached the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> Success!!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/23 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Let me know, and i'll work on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Isadora,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks a lot for your offer !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your help is most welcome !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I'd agree with all the 3 points, if it was up to me.
+Just tryin'...
+
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:33 PM, Dubeau, Patrick &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> De : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233; : 23 septembre 2010 08:13
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192; : Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> This
+</I>&gt;<i> is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of
+</I>&gt;<i> any
+</I>&gt;<i> product.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some
+</I>&gt;<i> logos, based on Mageia's meaning, but a bit derived:
+</I>&gt;<i> - a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - cat's eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils,
+</I>&gt;<i> alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon's horn)
+</I>&gt;<i> - an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe's stories the orb is a link,
+</I>&gt;<i> like
+</I>&gt;<i> a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> -------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Forget black cat
+</I>&gt;<i> - I'm not sure an Owl is a good idea
+</I>&gt;<i> - No magic wand for God's sake
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:25 PM, R James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; De : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Envoy&#233; : 23 septembre 2010 08:13
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#192; : Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> This
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of
+</I>&gt;<i> any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; product.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; logos, based on Mageia's meaning, but a bit derived:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - cat's eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils,
+</I>&gt;<i> alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon's horn)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe's stories the orb is a link,
+</I>&gt;<i> like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Forget black cat
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - I'm not sure an Owl is a good idea
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - No magic wand for God's sake
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And definitely forget about black stars instead of eyes' pupils:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639">http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That image still give me nightmares. ;o)
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+...every army needs a flag! ;)
+
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. Graphic
+</I>&gt;<i> artists
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about the logo. To do that there needs to be an identifying of target
+</I>&gt;<i> market
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different reactions. We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; engender in that target market.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, I would do quite the contrary. In order to test the process and
+</I>&gt;<i> organize the community, I would first do a test-run of the process and
+</I>&gt;<i> try to work on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Later, once we are sure that the process is working, etc, etc, then we
+</I>&gt;<i> can rethink on the real logo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ie, like we do prototyping for software, we should prototype the
+</I>&gt;<i> process.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Hmm, right but...
+</I>&gt;<i> ...every army needs a flag! ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. Graphic
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> artists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; about the logo. To do that there needs to be an identifying of target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> market
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; different reactions. We need to identify the sort of emotions we want
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; engender in that target market.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In fact, I would do quite the contrary. In order to test the process and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> organize the community, I would first do a test-run of the process and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> try to work on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Later, once we are sure that the process is working, etc, etc, then we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can rethink on the real logo.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ie, like we do prototyping for software, we should prototype the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> process.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+Without some errors, sorry for the mass of mails from my side.
+
+Goodnight for now.
+
+Isadora
+
+Op 23 september 2010 17:10 schreef isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt; het
+volgende:
+
+&gt;<i> Attached the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> Success!!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/23 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Let me know, and i'll work on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Isadora,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks a lot for your offer !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your help is most welcome !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+&gt;<i>&#22312; 2010&#24180;9&#26376;23&#26085; &#19979;&#21320;11:06&#65292;Kira &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;: I had also tried to translate the text.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In Chinese there's really no words match up with the meaning of fork in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> English. But, I think using the word branch in Chinese: &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot;, would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fit in the meaning in the text.
+</I>&gt;<i>Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won't fit the meaning of fork.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Anyway, fork is a word we Chinese people rarely use, especially in IT
+</I>&gt;<i>field. For instance, China Mobile forked Android OS, and named it
+</I>&gt;<i>OPhone, but it said OPhone was developed by itself :(
+</I>
+How about when an artery in the body splits into 2: the main arteries
+somewhere split to go to the legs: there must be some common name for that?
+
+HTH
+Ciao
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+&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 17:03, gejo a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Jueves, 23 de Septiembre de 2010 16:55:43 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; freedom - unity - equality
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My three words:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Easy to use - freedom - community
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bye.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> freedom community joy
+</I>
+
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+Cannot get enough of translating.
+The end-result now for the Dutch translation.
+
+Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.
+Should have checked before.
+
+Isadora
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+2010/9/23 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 15:35, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you need a Dutch translation?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Let me know, and i'll work on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Isadora,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lot for your offer !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> .nl translation needs indeed someone to create it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your help is most welcome !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Alles is onmogelijk, als je het maar wil.
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+<PRE>2010/9/23 Yves-Gael Cheny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yves at antredugeek.fr</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First sorry for my english i'm a french guy :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps , before make any choice about a logo or over graphical identity,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have to debate about the image we want to send out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can propose between one and three word who explain what mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution is there us. So, from that list, perhaps a graphist can make a
+</I>&gt;<i> real work ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for me :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;<i> hurdman
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+solid - simple - sexy
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+fun
+
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Yves-Gael Cheny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yves at antredugeek.fr</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First sorry for my english i'm a french guy :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps , before make any choice about a logo or over graphical identity,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have to debate about the image we want to send out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can propose between one and three word who explain what mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution is there us. So, from that list, perhaps a graphist can make a
+</I>&gt;<i> real work ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for me :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ++
+</I>&gt;<i> hurdman
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>On 23 September 2010 19:43, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 20 September 2010 01:14, Martial Saunois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">martial.saunois at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 18:00:42, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i agree, they work, are great, and people know these to be good, we need a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MCC with everything on it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> some of those are a bit dated, and we could clean up some of the code, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i want to keep those.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The integration of the current MCC with the desktop environment is not very
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> good.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to use Qt tools for my Kde, and Gtk tools for my Gnome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That might double maintainer(s) workload maintaining two different GUI
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> frontends....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They don't have to be different, a lot of drakxtools use the &quot;interactive&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> module to build their interface, which can support curses, Gtk, or text
+</I>&gt;<i> output.
+</I>&gt;<i> A Qt backend for &quot;interactive&quot; would be doable, and it does not mean
+</I>&gt;<i> having a double maintainance effort.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
+</I>
+OK, thanks for the clarification :)
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+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 19 September 2010 19:14, David V. Wallin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm the force behind the Swedish Mandriva Community
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (<A HREF="http://mandriva-se.org">http://mandriva-se.org</A>) which has grown quite fast since we started the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; site 619 days ago. The other day some of the users announced that they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; were moving from Mandriva to Linux Mint since the future of Mandriva is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so uncertain. A day or two later someone announced that they found
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia and that they were hoping to continue using Mandriva but in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; form of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because of this i've published a poll about weither to migrate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva-se.org to Mageia-se.org or to just start Mageia-se.org as a new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; website meant to act as the Swedish community-site for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No matter which alternative the users pick there will be a Mageia-se.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so that Swedish users can discuss Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I therefor ask to be put on the list on your website so that the users
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of Mandriva-se.org can see that i'm serious in supporting this new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva fork and that they can feel comfortable in switching from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva to Mageia when it gets ready for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ---
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; David V. Wallin
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +46 (0)8 41 00 39 82
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ---
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Vi f&#246;rs&#246;ker st&#228;ndigt f&#246;rb&#228;ttra oss och ber er d&#228;rf&#246;r om 1 minut f&#246;r att
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; l&#228;mna ditt omd&#246;mme:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Excellent news!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please add your name and <A HREF="http://mandriva-se.org">http://mandriva-se.org</A> to this list:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 16:47, Yves-Gael Cheny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First sorry for my english i'm a french guy :p
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps , before make any choice about a logo or over graphical
+</I>&gt;<i> identity, we have to debate about the image we want to send out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can propose between one and three word who explain what mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution is there us. So, from that list, perhaps a graphist can
+</I>&gt;<i> make a real work ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for me :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>freedom strength beauty
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+ <B>Dubeau, Patrick</B>
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+<PRE>I'm not coming from Halloween culture, so I had no idea...
+I'd agree with all the 3 points, if it was up to me.
+Just tryin'...
+----------------------------------------------------------------
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+No offense there. ;)
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+Pat
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+Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> &gt; for me :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>Agree with you.
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+--
+Sandro Cazzaniga
+Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
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+Actually, I'd do these in parallel, since these request different resources.
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+Hmm, right but...
+...every army needs a flag! ;)
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+To respect the netiquette of the ML, can you stop top posting you're message.
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+&gt;<i> &#22312; 2010&#24180;9&#26376;23&#26085; &#19979;&#21320;11:06&#65292;Kira &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#22312; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there's really no
+</I>words
+&gt;&gt;<i> match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think using the word
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> branch in Chinese: &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.
+</I>&gt;<i> Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won't fit the meaning of fork.
+</I>
+My dictionary gives &quot;&#20998;&#21449;&quot; as the translation of fork, do you think this word
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+
+&gt;<i> De : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233; : 23 septembre 2010 13:52
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192; : Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
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+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, I'd do these in parallel, since these request different
+</I>&gt;<i> resources.
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, right but...
+</I>&gt;<i> ...every army needs a flag! ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Mihai,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To respect the netiquette of the ML, can you stop top posting you're
+</I>&gt;<i> message.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pat
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Oh, I'll try. Google naturally thinks reversed than our needs.
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+&gt;<i> I'm not coming from Halloween culture, so I had no idea...
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd agree with all the 3 points, if it was up to me.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just tryin'...
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No offense there. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pat
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+Sorry, no offense intended, I mean I have not full knowledge of this
+celebration as it is no tradition in my country - Romania. My brain is just
+not mapped on it, although it is known to me - I guess the first things that
+come in my mind for Halloween arr the carving pumpkins and the costumes.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I love SOURCERY (it'll be the best one)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I also proposed SPARK but none of them are in the doodle pool
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I probably miss your, all my apologies for this.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Spark =&gt; sparc, as Marianne said, homophony can be a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; SOURCERY =&gt; some others projects have this name.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So no regrets.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; CNRS - LATMOS
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm bummed about ruling out Sourcery. Is Sourcereia is too strange?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My favorite on the list *was* Presto, as in the magician's phrase
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Presto Chango&quot; and there is a brand of cooking products named Presto.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, there's a commercial software named Presto so we'd
+</I>&gt;<i> better steer clear of that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.prestomypc.com">http://www.prestomypc.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> Rick
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+Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at
+</I>&gt;<i> end of this mail.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know. However if
+</I>&gt;<i> a name clearly win it will be choosen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Make the good choice !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The vote is over ?
+The link seem to have a script issue.
+
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+&gt;<i> Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; for me :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>&gt;<i> Agree with you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;<i> Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+
+Oh, please, no. It remembers me so much the slogan of a software product
+manufactured in my job... it simply don't work...
+
+El jue, 23-09-2010 a las 14:19 -0500, R James escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; for me :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Agree with you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
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+&gt;<i> Le Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:01:19 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> end of this mail.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know. However if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a name clearly win it will be choosen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Make the good choice !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The vote is over ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The link seem to have a script issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Works here in Firefox.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-23 15:19, R James a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for me :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Agree with you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;
+</I>
+&quot;Mageia: Your creation in use&quot;
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+&quot;Freedom Integrity Yours&quot;
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+&quot;Mageia: Assured Fidelity&quot; (for corporate use)
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+My God, no, please!
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+If you want a slogan, think something like the &quot;Imposible is nothing&quot;...
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+Don't know... something like &quot;Mageia: Make it happen&quot;
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+<PRE> El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Another logo by an blogdrake.net &lt;<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>&gt; user,
+</I>&gt;<i> GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even
+</I>&gt;<i> childish, I would
+</I>&gt;<i> say.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
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+&gt;<i> El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even childish, I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> say.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-23 13:03, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 &#224; 14:19 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style. Graphic artists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about the logo. To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different reactions. We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> engender in that target market.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, I would do quite the contrary. In order to test the process and
+</I>&gt;<i> organize the community, I would first do a test-run of the process and
+</I>&gt;<i> try to work on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Later, once we are sure that the process is working, etc, etc, then we
+</I>&gt;<i> can rethink on the real logo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ie, like we do prototyping for software, we should prototype the
+</I>&gt;<i> process.
+</I>
+I think most people who would think of migrating to a new distro would
+expect a solid logo (even if temporary). Otherwise, it may give them the
+feeling of a less-than-professional distro. We could always change to a
+different logo later on.
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+Marc
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+</I>&gt;<i> Abracadabra?
+</I>
+Rejected, too long (have read the list I send two days ago ?)
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+&gt;<i> Le Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:01:19 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; end of this mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know. However if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a name clearly win it will be choosen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Make the good choice !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The vote is over ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The link seem to have a script issue.
+</I>
+Your browser timetout before java script end.
+
+There is too many item...
+
+Be patient and click &quot;continue&quot; if firefox complain about JS.
+
+--
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I think most people who would think of migrating to a new distro would
+</I>&gt;<i> expect a solid logo (even if temporary). Otherwise, it may give them the
+</I>&gt;<i> feeling of a less-than-professional distro. We could always change to a
+</I>&gt;<i> different logo later on.
+</I>
+As I said here: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20100923/000181.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20100923/000181.html</A>
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+we must achieve a very profesional logo, not a penguin with a hat and
+a magic wand.
+
+OT: I think there are many threads talking about the logo, and in
+different mailing lists
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+Cheers!
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+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;&#160;: 23 septembre 2010 15:28
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-23 15:19, R James a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Ma&#226;t&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for me :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Agree with you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia: Your creation in use&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Freedom Integrity Yours&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia: Assured Fidelity&quot; (for corporate use)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+I don't know about you, but do we really need a slogan for the distro? I
+would prefer not.
+
+But if everybody insists, here's my suggestions :
+
+Mageia : linux is simple
+Mageia : linux made simple
+Mageia : simplicity in use
+
+Pat
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+
+&gt;<i> On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#22312; 2010&#24180;9&#26376;23&#26085; &#19979;&#21320;11:06&#65292;Kira &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#22312; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James &lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there's really no
+</I>&gt;<i> words
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think using the
+</I>&gt;<i> word
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; branch in Chinese: &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won't fit the meaning of fork.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My dictionary gives &quot;&#20998;&#21449;&quot; as the translation of fork, do you think this word
+</I>&gt;<i> is also not quite right?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Don't you have a tool in agriculture that is used to handle the hay? It is
+called &quot;Pitchfork&quot;, look here: <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork.">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork.</A> Could
+it be an alternative? I think this is the origin to the verb &quot;fork&quot; somehow.
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+Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> * francis (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">francis.gental at wanadoo.fr</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:01:19 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; link at end of this mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; However if a name clearly win it will be choosen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Make the good choice !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The vote is over ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The link seem to have a script issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your browser timetout before java script end.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is too many item...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Be patient and click &quot;continue&quot; if firefox complain about JS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ok. works in fact.
+Thanks
+
+Francis
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+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de barsalatino
+Envoy&#233;&#160;: 23 septembre 2010 15:37
+&#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+
+El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi&#243;:
+
+On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt; wrote:
+On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:
+&gt;<i> Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even childish, I would
+say.
+
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+-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+------------
+Seriously,
+
+Like I said earlier, no Halloween thing, pleaaaaase!
+
+Why childish?
+
+Pat
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I don't know about you, but do we really need a slogan for the distro?
+</I>
+Don't think it's a &quot;need&quot;, but it's a nice touch... What about
+&quot;Mageia: Magic for human beings&quot;??? LOL LOL LOL LOL
+
+Seriously, why not a slogan? It's free (gratis)...
+
+Cheers!
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+ <B>R James</B>
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+<PRE>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I don't know about you, but do we really need a slogan for the distro?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't think it's a &quot;need&quot;, but it's a nice touch... What about
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia: Magic for human beings&quot;??? LOL LOL LOL LOL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seriously, why not a slogan? It's free (gratis)...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
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+OK, OK, I won't propose any more other than these:
+
+Mageia: Sux &lt; M$
+Mageia: Its Magically Delicious!
+
+(I'll go away from this thread now.) :p
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+ <B>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez</B>
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+<PRE>3 words - stability, elegance, community
+
+Title's - Mageia: Freedom is Magic, Mageia: The Spell-Book of Elegance
+
+On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:39 PM, &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Send Mageia-discuss mailing list submissions to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-owner at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
+</I>&gt;<i> than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-discuss digest...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today's Topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Re: about the logo (Sergio Fernandez Cordero)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Re: about the logo (Sinner from the Prairy)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Re: &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll (Thomas Backlund)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. Re: about the logo (Marc Par?)
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. Re: about the logo (Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli)
+</I>&gt;<i> 6. Re: Artwork - Mageia Logo contest (barsalatino)
+</I>&gt;<i> 7. Re: Artwork - Mageia Logo contest (Mihai Dobrescu)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:22:23 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Sergio Fernandez Cordero &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sergiofernandez at proyectopqmc.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">1285269743.5719.2.camel at skynet.pqmc.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;UTF-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, please, no. It remembers me so much the slogan of a software product
+</I>&gt;<i> manufactured in my job... it simply don't work...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> El jue, 23-09-2010 a las 14:19 -0500, R James escribi?:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Ma?t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; for me :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Agree with you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 2
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:24:34 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;AANLkTiknrpB9Yd0dxSawSP6Mr5XPDxvVrL=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">9CiRUw2Yr at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia, the Magic is Back&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner from the Prairy - <A HREF="http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/">http://sinnerbofh.blogspot.com/</A> -
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/">http://www.ibiblio.org/sinner/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:? <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 3
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:25:46 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tmb at iki.fi</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4C9BA9BA.8040807 at iki.fi</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> francis skrev 23.9.2010 22:12:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:01:19 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier Thauvin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the link at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; end of this mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know. However if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; a name clearly win it will be choosen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Make the good choice !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The vote is over ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The link seem to have a script issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Works here in Firefox.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 4
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:27:48 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Marc Par? &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;i7g9nl$5c0$<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">1 at dough.gmane.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-23 15:19, R James a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:12:32 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Ma?t&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; for me :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; freedom, intergrity, self created
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Agree with you.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia: Your creation in use&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Freedom Integrity Yours&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia: Assured Fidelity&quot; (for corporate use)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 5
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:28:41 -0300
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">AANLkTin5dW9eARdG+GTkLg-MAyS9n91_DQBoH+MUvEZ+ at mail.gmail.com</A>&lt;AANLkTin5dW9eARdG%2BGTkLg-MAyS9n91_DQBoH%2BMUvEZ%<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">2B at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Mageia: The Magic of the Community&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My God, no, please!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want a slogan, think something like the &quot;Imposible is nothing&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know... something like &quot;Mageia: Make it happen&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * It's short
+</I>&gt;<i> * It has some kind of &quot;invitation&quot; because it tells to you &quot;make it
+</I>&gt;<i> happen&quot;. You must make the &quot;magic&quot; happen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe it's too stupid XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!!!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 6
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:37:10 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: barsalatino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">barsalatino at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4C9BAC66.3010605 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;; Format=&quot;flowed&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi?:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Another logo by an blogdrake.net &lt;<A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>&gt; user,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; childish, I would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; say.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
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+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 7
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:39:10 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;AANLkTi=JrXmArz=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">1BAweMWM7e+WzBH9DzAcHzz3sQZzp at mail.gmail.com</A>&lt;1BAweMWM7e%<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">2BWzBH9DzAcHzz3sQZzp at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:37 PM, barsalatino &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">barsalatino at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; El 19/09/10 18:10, Drakedalfa escribi?:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 9:38 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Sunday 19 September 2010, nosXw wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Another logo by an blogdrake.net user, GualaDrake:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg">https://dl.dropbox.com/u/10106344/imagenes/Logos/Mageia/mageia-1.svg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; IMHO: scary.. We want sth to be friendly, attractive. Even childish, I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; say.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.orghttps</A>://
+</I>&gt;<i> www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +1
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ++1 :|
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+ <B>Dubeau, Patrick</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> De&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:mageia-discuss-
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;&#160;: 23 septembre 2010 15:57
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't know about you, but do we really need a slogan for the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't think it's a &quot;need&quot;, but it's a nice touch... What about
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia: Magic for human beings&quot;??? LOL LOL LOL LOL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seriously, why not a slogan? It's free (gratis)...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>
+Because what is important is a logo, not a slogan, even if it's &quot;gratis&quot;.
+Let's focus on that first task and see later if there's a need for a slogan.
+IMHO, we don't need it.
+
+It's my 2 cents.
+
+Pat
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> OT: I think there are many threads talking about the logo, and in
+</I>&gt;<i> different mailing lists
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>
+Yup. Too many people breaking the threads. We just need to keep
+reminding (teaching) people not to break it and how to answer thread
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-23 16:02, Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 3 words - stability, elegance, community
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Title's - Mageia: Freedom is Magic, Mageia: The Spell-Book of Elegance
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Gamaliel. However, could you please do a &quot;respond&quot; to the thread
+instead of breaking it? Then it will be inside the proper discussion thread.
+
+We would also like people to bottom post please.
+
+People will then answer you more this way.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>I beleive some people would be glad to help digging into users problems and
+formulating bug reports (if there was a fault) or help the user to make it
+work. It is great to help both users and developers.
+
+If the same people have triage mandate too it would save a wait step in the
+process.
+
+In the bugzilla the ombudsmen/bug friend should give her email/name, and also
+email of the user.
+
+The ombudsme could note that they are that in their sig if they want.
+I do not think any more kind of categorising is needed.
+
+As wobo said: This system should be cleraly advertised.
+Maybe in forum rules (sticky post) and in the wiki.
+
+/Morgan
+
+Den 2010-09-23 01:36:27 skrev Maarten Vanraes:
+&gt;<i> Op donderdag 23 september 2010 00:03:44 schreef Marc Par&#233;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 2010-09-22 17:36, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2010/9/22 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Then that user might learn enough to write a good issue report, or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; someone else in that thread could offer to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yes, that was always an option. Was it used and did it work? Yes, in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; some cases.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; If this system would be more advertized and used then I think it would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; improve the situation.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; We could have &quot;bug friends&quot; who an unexperienced user could turn to for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; help. _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I like the idea of &quot;bug friends&quot;. Great idea!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a dev, i would not be opposed to a person who gives some kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> structured info about some priority bugs (eg: to a dev mailing list), or
+</I>&gt;<i> possibly via IRC. (not too often, and mostly about 'forgotten' bugs; or
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes help with testing...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In real life, mostly this kind of thing happens when a prominent forum
+</I>&gt;<i> member or a forum leader or a user mailing list prominent member gives a
+</I>&gt;<i> priority case a &quot;better explanation&quot; of what is going on, sometimes giving
+</I>&gt;<i> small hints on IRC. (I guess they could be 'bug friends' in that sense)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I might have forgotten triage people, sorry, triage people are important
+</I>&gt;<i> for the devs and i'm pretty sure they're underappreciated; they too help
+</I>&gt;<i> the bridge and sometimes are on forums, and urge users to submit a bug
+</I>&gt;<i> report. In that sense often they are 'bug friends' too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if it's required for this kind of bug friends to be official;
+</I>&gt;<i> i might be inclined to believe they would rather prefer anonymous or even
+</I>&gt;<i> officious. Also, I'm not even sure who would even want this job...
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+ Mageia: No longer cursed!
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+<PRE>Yves-Gael Cheny a &#233;crit
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can propose between one and three word who explain what mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution is there us. So, from that list, perhaps a graphist can make
+</I>&gt;<i> a real work ?
+</I>
+Efficient - attractive - open
+
+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
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+ <B>Marco T&#250;lio</B>
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+
+Have you already someone to translate the blog to Portuguese of Brazil?
+
+Thx,
+
+Marco.
+
+--- Em qua, 22/9/10, Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+
+&gt;<i> De: Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Assunto: [Mageia-announce] State of the kitchen
+</I>&gt;<i> Para: &quot;mageia-discuss&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-announce at zarb.org</A>, &quot;Mageia development mailing-list&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-dev at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Data: Quarta-feira, 22 de Setembro de 2010, 18:49
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything
+</I>&gt;<i> so that we
+</I>&gt;<i> can start very soon.
+</I>&gt;<i> As a reminder, you can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A> if you wish
+</I>&gt;<i> to contribute or have a look on <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org">http://donation.mageia.org</A> to help
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks again for your support
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-announce mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-announce at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-announce">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-announce</A>
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+ <B>RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20rpm%20or%20deb%3F&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTi%3DYrSnMZCmk%3DYbj_BcpCL312A0Ae8R5mVzM%3DCCS%40mail.gmail.com%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?">ravikumar17jan at gmail.com
+ </A><BR>
+ <I>Thu Sep 23 13:13:18 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+i prefer apt and deb personally
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Sep 23 00:03:44 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Sep 23 23:33:36 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 153<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001290.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000779.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000783.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000800.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000855.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000785.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez Cordero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000799.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000789.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000793.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fred James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000794.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kenneth Marcy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000781.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000786.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000815.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000797.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000798.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000778.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000787.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000790.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000792.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Logo
+</A><A NAME="924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000784.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000780.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Logo
+</A><A NAME="920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000804.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000806.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia&#180;s Blog translate
+</A><A NAME="1278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marco T&#250;lio
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000788.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>barsalatino
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000807.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000782.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>peter f miller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113
+</A><A NAME="812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113
+</A><A NAME="813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000816.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000817.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000811.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Sep 23 23:33:36 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:45 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
+ Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i>
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+
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 23 September 2010 Archive by date</title>
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>23 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Sep 23 00:03:44 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Sep 23 23:33:36 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 153<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000778.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000779.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000780.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000781.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000782.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000783.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000784.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000785.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000786.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000787.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000788.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000789.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000790.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000792.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000793.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000794.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000797.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000798.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000799.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000800.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000804.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000806.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000807.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000811.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113
+</A><A NAME="812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113
+</A><A NAME="813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000815.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000816.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000817.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001290.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000855.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia&#180;s Blog translate
+</A><A NAME="1278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marco T&#250;lio
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fred James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>peter f miller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez Cordero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>barsalatino
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Logo
+</A><A NAME="920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kenneth Marcy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Logo
+</A><A NAME="924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Sep 23 23:33:36 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:45 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
+ Pipermail 0.09 (Mailman edition).</i>
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+ <h1>23 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Sep 23 00:03:44 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Sep 23 23:33:36 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 153<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000793.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000794.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000799.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000804.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000806.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000807.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez Cordero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Logo
+</A><A NAME="920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kenneth Marcy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Logo
+</A><A NAME="924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000797.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000798.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000816.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000817.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>barsalatino
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000855.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fred James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>peter f miller
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000778.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000782.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000784.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000788.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000789.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113
+</A><A NAME="812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113
+</A><A NAME="813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia&#180;s Blog translate
+</A><A NAME="1278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marco T&#250;lio
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001290.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000779.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000780.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000781.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000783.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000785.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000786.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000790.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000792.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000800.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000811.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000815.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000787.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Sep 23 23:33:36 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:45 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>23 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Sep 23 00:03:44 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Sep 23 23:33:36 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 153<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285193024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000778.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285193024-01285198587- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000788.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285193024-01285198587-01285274517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000925.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="925">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285193024-01285198701- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000789.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285193024-01285198701-01285199102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285193024-01285198701-01285199102-01285201952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285193024-01285198701-01285199102-01285201952-01285203035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285193591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000779.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285193591-01285194386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000781.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285193591-01285194386-01285196281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000783.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285193591-01285194386-01285196281-01285196798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000786.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285193591-01285194386-01285196281-01285196798-01285198764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000790.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285194345- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000780.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285194345-01285196488- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000785.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285195382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000782.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285195382-01285196369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000784.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Forums
+</A><A NAME="784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285197968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000787.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285198831- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000792.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285200271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000793.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285200271-01285201572- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000794.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285200271-01285201572-01285218127- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000799.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285200271-01285201572-01285218127-01285224108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000804.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285200271-01285201572-01285243268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000842.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285200271-01285201572-01285243268-01285243446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000843.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285200271-01285201572-01285243268-01285245692- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000853.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285200271-01285201572-01285243268-01285245692-01285249525- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000860.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="860">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285200271-01285201572-01285243268-01285245692-01285249525-01285269186- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000899.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="899">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285200271-01285201572-01285243268-01285245692-01285249525-01285269186-01285270941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000910.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="910">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285203730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000797.html">[Mageia-discuss] Adding name in wiki
+</A><A NAME="797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285205736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000798.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285205736-01285228900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000816.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000817.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285232882- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000818.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845-01285242661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000838.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845-01285242681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Baptiste BUTET
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845-01285242681-01285243982- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845-01285242681-01285243982-01285256038- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000873.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="873">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845-01285242681-01285243982-01285256038-01285259111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000875.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="875">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845-01285242681-01285243982-01285256038-01285259111-01285264191- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000881.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="881">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845-01285242681-01285243982-01285256038-01285264166- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000880.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="880">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845-01285242681-01285243982-01285256038-01285264166-01285265771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000893.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="893">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285240228-01285240716-01285241845-01285242681-01285243982-01285256038-01285264166-01285265771-01285267405- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000898.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="898">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285242571- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285242571-01285244314- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285244380- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285244380-01285261419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000877.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="877">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285244380-01285261419-01285264246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000882.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="882">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285244380-01285261419-01285264246-01285264345- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000883.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="883">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285244380-01285261419-01285264246-01285264345-01285266638- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000895.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="895">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285244380-01285261419-01285264246-01285264345-01285266638-01285267102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000897.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="897">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285244380-01285261419-01285270813- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000909.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="909">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285244380-01285261419-01285270813-01285271176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000913.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="913">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285205736-01285228900-01285231384-01285232323-01285232389-01285235153-01285235271-01285235651-01285239466-01285244380-01285261419-01285270813-01285271176-01285273457- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000923.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="923">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285218496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000800.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285218496-01285230286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000811.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000815.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974-01285238932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000823.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974-01285238932-01285239461- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000824.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974-01285238932-01285241247- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000832.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974-01285248949- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000859.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="859">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974-01285248949-01285249606- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000861.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="861">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974-01285248949-01285249606-01285254642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000870.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="870">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974-01285248949-01285249606-01285254642-01285263804- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000879.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="879">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974-01285248949-01285249606-01285254642-01285264543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000884.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="884">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285231974-01285248949-01285249606-01285264812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000887.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="887">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285218496-01285230286-01285233394- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000819.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285233394-01285240930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000828.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285233394-01285240930-01285241230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000831.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285233394-01285240930-01285241230-01285241687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000834.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285218496-01285230286-01285233394-01285240930-01285241230-01285241687-01285254334- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000867.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="867">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285220051- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285220051-01285221180- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285220051-01285221180-01285221658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285220051-01285221180-01285221658-01285225053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285220051-01285221180-01285228260- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page - missing address of AUFML
+</A><A NAME="808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285227378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000806.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285227378-01285227676- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000807.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285229341- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Teuf is missing
+</A><A NAME="809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285231092- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113
+</A><A NAME="812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285231092-01285231345- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 113
+</A><A NAME="813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285240398- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001290.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1290">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285240973- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285240973-01285241377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285244921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285245441- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285245441-01285246322- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285245441-01285246322-01285246941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000855.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285245441-01285246322-01285246941-01285250538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000866.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="866">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fred James
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285245441-01285246322-01285246941-01285250538-01285254409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000869.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="869">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285245441-01285246322-01285246941-01285250538-01285254409-01285254851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000871.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="871">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285245441-01285246322-01285246941-01285250538-01285254409-01285254851-01285264697- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000885.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="885">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285245441-01285246322-01285246941-01285250538-01285254409-01285254851-01285267066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000896.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="896">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>peter f miller
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285240973-01285241377-01285242127-01285242759-01285245441-01285246322-01285246941-01285250538-01285254409-01285254851-01285267066-01285271615- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000915.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="915">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285241018- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000830.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285241018-01285243087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000841.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285241018-01285243706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000844.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285241018-01285243706-01285244281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000846.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285241018-01285243706-01285244281-01285247545- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000856.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285241018-01285243706-01285244281-01285248039- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000857.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="857">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285241018-01285243706-01285244281-01285248039-01285250036- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000862.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="862">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285241018-01285248263- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000858.html">[Mageia-discuss] help us to bring some order to the chaos
+</A><A NAME="858">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285244760- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000849.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285244760-01285245227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000851.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285246954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001278.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia&#180;s Blog translate
+</A><A NAME="1278">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marco T&#250;lio
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285253233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000863.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="863">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Yves-Gael Cheny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285253233-01285253743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000864.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="864">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285253233-01285253743-01285254210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000865.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="865">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>gejo
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285253233-01285253743-01285254210-01285254354- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000868.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="868">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285253743-01285254210-01285254354-01285264688- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000886.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="886">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285253743-01285254210-01285254354-01285272588- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000927.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="927">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kenneth Marcy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285253233-01285264996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000888.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="888">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285253233-01285265244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000889.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="889">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285253233-01285265552- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000892.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="892">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000894.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="894">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000901.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="901">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285269743- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000902.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="902">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sergio Fernandez Cordero
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285269743-01285269874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000903.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="903">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285270068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000905.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="905">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285270068-01285271564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000914.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="914">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285270068-01285271564-01285271816- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000918.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="918">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285270068-01285271564-01285271816-01285272123- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000919.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="919">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285270068-01285271564-01285271816-01285272264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000921.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="921">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285270121- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000906.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="906">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285270121-01285270658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000912.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="912">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285270121-01285270658-01285273263- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000922.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="922">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285253233-01285265552-01285265953-01285269586-01285270121-01285270658-01285275507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000926.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="926">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285253233-01285277616- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000928.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="928">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285256594- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000872.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="872">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285256594-01285265530- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000891.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</A><A NAME="891">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285259098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000874.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="874">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285259098-01285260212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000876.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="876">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285259098-01285260212-01285265350- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000890.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="890">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285261932- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000878.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="878">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285269142- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000900.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="900">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285269142-01285269946- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000904.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="904">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285269142-01285271048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000911.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="911">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285269142-01285271048-01285271481- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000916.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="916">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285270630- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000907.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="907">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>barsalatino
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285270630-01285270750- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000908.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="908">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285270630-01285271806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000917.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="917">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285272152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000920.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Logo
+</A><A NAME="920">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285272152-01285273303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000924.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Logo
+</A><A NAME="924">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Sep 23 23:33:36 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:45 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <hr>
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+
+#mageia-se
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+Please add them.
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+&gt;<i> I seem to miss
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-se
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-sv as rooms on the page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please add them.
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+And pls add #mageia-de as well.
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+wobo
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+&gt;<i> Le Thu, 23 Sep 2010 21:44:08 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * francis (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">francis.gental at wanadoo.fr</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le Wed, 22 Sep 2010 22:01:19 +0200,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As promise, you can choose the name for next cooker using the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> link at end of this mail.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This method is not safe as anyone can participate. I know.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> However if a name clearly win it will be choosen.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> End of the poll: Friday, 24 September 2010 at 14H00 GMT.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc">http://www.doodle.com/bgpeeappihr7idmc</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Make the good choice !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The vote is over ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The link seem to have a script issue.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your browser timetout before java script end.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There is too many item...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Be patient and click &quot;continue&quot; if firefox complain about JS.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok. works in fact.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Francis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+Failed completely in Firefox 4.0b5 - script errors and blank page where
+table should be. (waited 10 mins!)
+
+Worked OK in Iron (Google-Chrome derivative) :-)
+
+Thinking about it I &quot;Magic&quot; would have been good.
+
+Barry
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+ <B>DIDIER Philippe</B>
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+<PRE> In agronomy exists this word and meaning :
+&quot;Cutting&quot; = A part, such as a stem, leaf, or root, removed from a plant
+to propagate a new plant, as through rooting or grafting.
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+This concept might perhaps be used instead of fork for a chinese
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+Sure. But not everybody has skills to design an outstanding logo and
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+using it and being a part of it is something special.
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+I mean this :
+
+&#25554;&#26465;
+
+&#20892;&#27665;&#20204;&#20882;&#30528;&#37239;&#26257;&#65292;&#27491;&#22312;&#25554;&#26525;
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+<PRE> I wonder if the concept of cutting is working correctly : the plant
+obtained from a cutting is more or less a clone, even if it is different
+by shape depending of its environment , it has exactly the same genes as
+the original...
+
+Nevertheless I found this nice example that could apply to Mageia :
+Before watering the cuttings, you have to firm up the soil
+&#22312;&#32473;&#25554;&#26465;&#27975;&#27700;&#21069;&#65292; &#20320;&#24471;&#20808;&#25226;&#27877;&#22303;&#21387;&#23454;
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+ <B>You-Cheng Hsieh</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Philippe DIDIER &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I mean this :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#25554;&#26465;
+</I>&gt;<i> &#20892;&#27665;&#20204;&#20882;&#30528;&#37239;&#26257;&#65292;&#27491;&#22312;&#25554;&#26525;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.nciku.com/search/en/detail/cuttings/1074287">http://www.nciku.com/search/en/detail/cuttings/1074287</A>
+</I>By concept, it fits. But when we are at software distribution, fork or
+&#20998;&#25903; is more widely used. If you use other words here, I guess nobody
+can understand what exactly you are talking about...
+
+If you can read Chinese, I have translated most of the announcement of
+Mageia into Chinese (zh-TW) here:
+<A HREF="http://groups.google.com.tw/group/mageia-taiwan/t/25d6ce75f3c72e21">http://groups.google.com.tw/group/mageia-taiwan/t/25d6ce75f3c72e21</A>
+
+Regards,
+
+You-Cheng Hsieh
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+&gt;<i> &gt; They don't have to be different, a lot of drakxtools use the &quot;interactive&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; module to build their interface, which can support curses, Gtk, or text
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; output.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A Qt backend for &quot;interactive&quot; would be doable, and it does not mean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; having a double maintainance effort.
+</I>
+It could be argued that the only thing the Mageia project really need to
+fork is the drake wizards. A distribution based on Fedora with drake
+wizards is really all I need!
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+Guala, a member of BlogDrake (who can't speak English) is asking if
+all the arkwork has to re-designed. In particular, he would like to
+know if Mageia needs:
+
+1) The color(s) of the distro.
+2) A specific desktop theme. In my opinion, it should fit both KDE and GNOME.
+3) A revision of all drake-tools icons. I would say that the current
+Mandriva icons are a bit old fashioned.
+
+Maybe, the place to send proposals is the flicr-Mageia group. And in
+the future, somebody from the board can make polls similar to the one
+for the cooker name.
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+Comments are welcome!
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+
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> Guala, a member of BlogDrake (who can't speak English) is asking if
+</I>&gt;<i> all the arkwork has to re-designed. In particular, he would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> know if Mageia needs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) The color(s) of the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) A specific desktop theme. In my opinion, it should fit both KDE and
+</I>&gt;<i> GNOME.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) A revision of all drake-tools icons. I would say that the current
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva icons are a bit old fashioned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe, the place to send proposals is the flicr-Mageia group. And in
+</I>&gt;<i> the future, somebody from the board can make polls similar to the one
+</I>&gt;<i> for the cooker name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comments are welcome!
+</I>&gt;<i> motitos
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If you ask me, the whole themes should be re-think. Is that possible to
+design a whole new look? (KDE/Gnome themes, icons set)?
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+<PRE>My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not
+Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a
+theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.
+
+2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Miguel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cullero at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Guala, a member of BlogDrake (who can't speak English) is asking if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> all the arkwork has to re-designed. In particular, he would like to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know if Mageia needs:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) The color(s) of the distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) A specific desktop theme. In my opinion, it should fit both KDE and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GNOME.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3) A revision of all drake-tools icons. I would say that the current
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva icons are a bit old fashioned.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe, the place to send proposals is the flicr-Mageia group. And in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the future, somebody from the board can make polls similar to the one
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the cooker name.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Comments are welcome!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> motitos
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you ask me, the whole themes should be re-think. Is that possible to
+</I>&gt;<i> design a whole new look? (KDE/Gnome themes, icons set)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+Personally, i think it's way too soon to be talking about this, but since it's
+been brought up in threads a couple of times, i would like to state what i
+feel could be useful in relation to this.
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+A distro is used by alot of users, and sometimes also by companies. Companies
+using a distro are in favor of having support on it.
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+Instead of commercialising Mageia, i would propose that a page be provided by
+people who are willing to provide support on Mageia to companies. (more or
+less like debian)
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+I am not saying a separately branded enterprise version is off the table, i'm
+merely stating that at the start of this project, it may instill some
+confidence in our project if companies could see that some kind of support will
+be available.
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+It could be as simple as a page with a simple list of contributers(non-novice)
+stating that they (or a company they are in) are willing to provide commercial
+support for Mageia, with a link to their site with contact info for it.
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+It's just an idea, and after we have some kind of structure, this could be
+discussed.
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+just my 2 cents,
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+&gt;<i> In particular, he would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> know if Mageia needs:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) The color(s) of the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) A specific desktop theme...
+</I>
+I believe that the Mandrake/-iva colors/themes have always been great. There
+is no reason to steer away from them.
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+Blue and green, in their &quot;nature&quot; variants, are the &quot;relax&quot; colors, the
+comfortable ones to work with. Green is SuSe, Mint. So our choice of blue was
+right from the start.
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+&gt;<i> Instead of commercialising Mageia, i would propose that a page be provided by
+</I>&gt;<i> people who are willing to provide support on Mageia to companies. (more or
+</I>&gt;<i> less like debian)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not saying a separately branded enterprise version is off the table, i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> merely stating that at the start of this project, it may instill some
+</I>&gt;<i> confidence in our project if companies could see that some kind of support will
+</I>&gt;<i> be available.
+</I>Yes, I would also prefer this model. There is a legal issue with it
+though. In order for a consultant to provide support to a third party,
+the distribution artwork and other utilities must be free for use and
+distribution to third parties. So the use of the GPL3 is not allowed
+and trademarked artwork must be explicitly given away.
+
+In short, Mageia would need a license similar to the Scientific Linux
+distribution: <A HREF="https://www.scientificlinux.org/documentation/faq/legal">https://www.scientificlinux.org/documentation/faq/legal</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 23:45 -0700, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Instead of commercialising Mageia, i would propose that a page be provided by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people who are willing to provide support on Mageia to companies. (more or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> less like debian)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am not saying a separately branded enterprise version is off the table, i'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> merely stating that at the start of this project, it may instill some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> confidence in our project if companies could see that some kind of support will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be available.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I would also prefer this model. There is a legal issue with it
+</I>&gt;<i> though. In order for a consultant to provide support to a third party,
+</I>&gt;<i> the distribution artwork and other utilities must be free for use and
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution to third parties. So the use of the GPL3 is not allowed
+</I>&gt;<i> and trademarked artwork must be explicitly given away.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In short, Mageia would need a license similar to the Scientific Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution: <A HREF="https://www.scientificlinux.org/documentation/faq/legal">https://www.scientificlinux.org/documentation/faq/legal</A>
+</I>
+I am not too sure what problems GPL3 bring to the artwork. Would the
+artwork license of GPL3 make it viral to other softs on the installed
+machines?
+
+Marc
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> * Mihai Dobrescu (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Abracadabra?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Rejected, too long (have read the list I send two days ago ?)
+</I>
+Make it short like &quot;Cadabra&quot;
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-24 02:45, Maarten Vanraes a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally, i think it's way too soon to be talking about this, but since it's
+</I>&gt;<i> been brought up in threads a couple of times, i would like to state what i
+</I>&gt;<i> feel could be useful in relation to this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A distro is used by alot of users, and sometimes also by companies. Companies
+</I>&gt;<i> using a distro are in favor of having support on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead of commercialising Mageia, i would propose that a page be provided by
+</I>&gt;<i> people who are willing to provide support on Mageia to companies. (more or
+</I>&gt;<i> less like debian)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not saying a separately branded enterprise version is off the table, i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> merely stating that at the start of this project, it may instill some
+</I>&gt;<i> confidence in our project if companies could see that some kind of support will
+</I>&gt;<i> be available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It could be as simple as a page with a simple list of contributers(non-novice)
+</I>&gt;<i> stating that they (or a company they are in) are willing to provide commercial
+</I>&gt;<i> support for Mageia, with a link to their site with contact info for it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's just an idea, and after we have some kind of structure, this could be
+</I>&gt;<i> discussed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> just my 2 cents,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+A good idea. Even if the support for the upkeep of this page were
+infrequent and sparse, it would add another layer of confidence in the
+community product.
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+Marc
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+<PRE>On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 00:16 -0700, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I am not too sure what problems GPL3 bring to the artwork. Would the
+</I>&gt;<i> artwork license of GPL3 make it viral to other softs on the installed
+</I>&gt;<i> machines?
+</I>Yes, corporate lawyers run away screaming when they see mention of GPL3.
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A distro is used by alot of users, and sometimes also by companies. Companies
+</I>&gt;<i> using a distro are in favor of having support on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead of commercialising Mageia, i would propose that a page be provided by
+</I>&gt;<i> people who are willing to provide support on Mageia to companies. (more or
+</I>&gt;<i> less like debian)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not saying a separately branded enterprise version is off the table, i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> merely stating that at the start of this project, it may instill some
+</I>&gt;<i> confidence in our project if companies could see that some kind of support will
+</I>&gt;<i> be available.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It could be as simple as a page with a simple list of contributers(non-novice)
+</I>&gt;<i> stating that they (or a company they are in) are willing to provide commercial
+</I>&gt;<i> support for Mageia, with a link to their site with contact info for it.
+</I>You seem to forget what &quot;commercial support&quot; and catering to companies implies:
+
+1. Catering to companies is only possible based on contracts with such
+companies. Only a legally set organisation (no mattter if that is one
+person or a organisation of several people) can do that. So, if Mageia
+offers commercial support the whole Mageia organisation is involved,
+not only a group inside Mageia and the rest has nothing to do with
+it..
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+2. Catering to companies or offering commercial support involves
+liability, secured by liability insurance. No company signs a contract
+for commercial support or consulting without including warranties and
+liability.
+
+3. If such a support contract is signed Mageia has to fulfill that
+contract, which is not possible if all people just work for Mageia on
+a volunteer unpaid basis - you can't force volunteers to do something
+at a set time - what if a company has a contract for 24hrs response
+(that's what companies want) and there's nobody available who could
+answer the questions because it's weekend or some holiday? You can't
+force volunteers to be on alert 24/7 but you have to if you offer
+commercial support.
+
+Yes, that's a lot of IFs but such things do happen.
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+If there is a group of people who want to do commercial support then
+set up another organisation outside Mageia, so Mageia is not involved
+in such contracts.
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+&gt;<i> If there is a group of people who want to do commercial support then
+</I>&gt;<i> set up another organisation outside Mageia, so Mageia is not involved
+</I>&gt;<i> in such contracts.
+</I>Yes, but that implies that the Mageia license terms must be sufficiently
+free that 3rd party commercial support can be done legally, using
+Mageia.
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+For example, one can legally do 3rd party installs and support with
+Debian and Scientific, but not with Redhat, Mandriva, Suse or even
+CentOS, due to their license and trademark terms (yes I know lots of
+people do regardless, but they haven't read/understood the license
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 20:00, isadora a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cannot get enough of translating.
+</I>&gt;<i> The end-result now for the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.
+</I>&gt;<i> Should have checked before.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks a lont for your work
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+your translation is online...
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+a last check would be welcome
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:47 AM, P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 24 September 2010, Miguel wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In particular, he would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; know if Mageia needs:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) The color(s) of the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2) A specific desktop theme...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I believe that the Mandrake/-iva colors/themes have always been great.
+</I>&gt;<i> There
+</I>&gt;<i> is no reason to steer away from them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Blue and green, in their &quot;nature&quot; variants, are the &quot;relax&quot; colors, the
+</I>&gt;<i> comfortable ones to work with. Green is SuSe, Mint. So our choice of blue
+</I>&gt;<i> was
+</I>&gt;<i> right from the start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I do need a change in look. Mainly in KDE theme. For instance, I like
+theoxygen-transparent theme. I know it eats many resources due to
+transparency... I would like something clean, simple and light. I love the
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+<PRE>Le 23/09/2010 17:05, Matteo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Italian translation of the donations page: ready.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.webdinamico.net/Mageia-ANewLinuxDistribution.html">http://www.webdinamico.net/Mageia-ANewLinuxDistribution.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> bye
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
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+It's online... thanks for all the work Matteo
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+ <I>Fri Sep 24 10:49:41 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Attention: SPARK is diffrent from SPARC !
+FR: SPARK veut dire etincelle, si&#537;ilitude avec l'&#233;toile de la baguette magique
+;)
+Donc pas de risque d'homophonie
+
+Too bad for SOURCERY :(
+
+Cheers,
+Florin
+
+
+
+----- Original Message ----
+From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 14:41:32
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+
+* Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I love SOURCERY (it'll be the best one)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also proposed SPARK but none of them are in the doodle pool
+</I>
+I probably miss your, all my apologies for this.
+
+Spark =&gt; sparc, as Marianne said, homophony can be a problem
+SOURCERY =&gt; some others projects have this name.
+
+So no regrets.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+<PRE>Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> I am not too sure what problems GPL3 bring to the artwork. Would the
+</I>&gt;<i> artwork license of GPL3 make it viral to other softs on the installed
+</I>&gt;<i> machines?
+</I>Can you put artwork under the GPL? I thought, there has to be some kind of
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 herman &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Yes, but that implies that the Mageia license terms must be sufficiently
+</I>&gt;<i> free that 3rd party commercial support can be done legally, using
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>
+The software is GPL, everybody can open shop and support any
+distribution which only contains GPL software. The only thing which
+depends on Mageia or any other distributor is if you want to offer
+&quot;certified by Mageia&quot; or similar.
+
+&gt;<i> For example, one can legally do 3rd party installs and support with
+</I>&gt;<i> Debian and Scientific, but not with Redhat, Mandriva, Suse or even
+</I>&gt;<i> CentOS, due to their license and trademark terms (yes I know lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> people do regardless, but they haven't read/understood the license
+</I>&gt;<i> terms!).
+</I>
+Partly wrong. You can always offer commercial support for openSUSE,
+Mandriva Free Edition and such. Only thing you can't is offering
+&quot;certified support&quot;. And of course you need an agreement with
+distributors of commercial distributions to support those.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 &#224; 03:16 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> I am not too sure what problems GPL3 bring to the artwork. Would the
+</I>&gt;<i> artwork license of GPL3 make it viral to other softs on the installed
+</I>&gt;<i> machines?
+</I>
+No. Each file will be under it own licence. You should not believe what
+Steve Ballmer say about licenses :)
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+<PRE>Le 24/09/2010 10:49, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Attention: SPARK is diffrent from SPARC !
+</I>&gt;<i> FR: SPARK veut dire etincelle, si&#537;ilitude avec l'&#233;toile de la baguette magique
+</I>&gt;<i> ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> Donc pas de risque d'homophonie
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Too bad for SOURCERY :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Original Message ----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Thu, 23 September, 2010 14:41:32
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Catalin Florin RUSSEN (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I love SOURCERY (it'll be the best one)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I also proposed SPARK but none of them are in the doodle pool
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I probably miss your, all my apologies for this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Spark =&gt; sparc, as Marianne said, homophony can be a problem
+</I>&gt;<i> SOURCERY =&gt; some others projects have this name.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So no regrets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Meaning are different but in french, pronunciation is the same. (and I
+suppose, in english too)
+That the only thing I said
+
+
+Marianne
+
+
+PS : please avoid top posting and remember this list is english-speaking
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+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate)
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 &#224; 00:27 -0700, herman a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 00:16 -0700, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am not too sure what problems GPL3 bring to the artwork. Would the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; artwork license of GPL3 make it viral to other softs on the installed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; machines?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, corporate lawyers run away screaming when they see mention of GPL3.
+</I>&gt;<i> GPL2 is OK though.
+</I>
+I guess then that no one anymore use samba in any product then.
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+discussing it right now is premature - the discussion should be resumed
+when Mageia has / will imminently publish a release and has become a
+serious alternative for consideration by a commercial company, which is
+not the case now. At that time, we will better understand what we are
+doing, where the principal problems are and see how this issue fits in.
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+At that time, Mageia will also know more about potential partners in
+collaboration with whom (sorry for my English) there could appear new
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 20:00, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cannot get enough of translating.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The end-result now for the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Should have checked before.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks a lont for your work
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> your translation is online...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> a last check would be welcome
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Ma&#225;t,
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+Checked the site and found some minor issues.
+Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.
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+&gt;<i> My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.
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+I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.
+
+I like blueish themes.
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+</I>&gt;<i> On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:31 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.
+</I>&gt;<i> I like blueish themes.
+</I>
+It's not the question of liking, it is a question of identity.
+Everybody knows the green of openSUSE, the blue of Mandriva. If we
+start out with a blue identity we will be regarded as still being a
+kind of Mandriva Linux. Similarities and same packages in the
+technical part of Mageia will obviously be there. But the standard
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+
+2010/9/24 isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 20:00, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Cannot get enough of translating.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The end-result now for the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Should have checked before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks a lont for your work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> your translation is online...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a last check would be welcome
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Checked the site and found some minor issues.
+</I>&gt;<i> Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:31 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I like blueish themes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not the question of liking, it is a question of identity.
+</I>&gt;<i> Everybody knows the green of openSUSE, the blue of Mandriva. If we
+</I>&gt;<i> start out with a blue identity we will be regarded as still being a
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of Mandriva Linux. Similarities and same packages in the
+</I>&gt;<i> technical part of Mageia will obviously be there. But the standard
+</I>&gt;<i> look should be recognizable different.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+That's my point.
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:31 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I like blueish themes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not the question of liking, it is a question of identity.
+</I>&gt;<i> Everybody knows the green of openSUSE, the blue of Mandriva. If we
+</I>&gt;<i> start out with a blue identity we will be regarded as still being a
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of Mandriva Linux. Similarities and same packages in the
+</I>&gt;<i> technical part of Mageia will obviously be there. But the standard
+</I>&gt;<i> look should be recognizable different.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+I like blueish theme, the other features I would redesign a little as a
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+</I>&gt;<i> I like blueish theme, the other features I would redesign a little as a
+</I>&gt;<i> theme (i.e. shapes and graphic effects).
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+Yes, my favorite color (not only in IT and desktops) is blue and I
+don't mind a blue theme (Fedora is also blue), but it has to be a
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Checked the site and found some minor issues.
+</I>&gt;<i> Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I just read it. IMHO there are to many, and misplaced, commas.
+I could try to fix it, but I will first try to get help from a friend who is
+a real native speaker.
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I like blueish theme, the other features I would redesign a little as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; theme (i.e. shapes and graphic effects).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, my favorite color (not only in IT and desktops) is blue and I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't mind a blue theme (Fedora is also blue), but it has to be a
+</I>&gt;<i> different blue than Mandriva, there must be a distinction.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+A magic blue, perhaps? Sorry, I can't keep myself from joking. Harmless...
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+1) when we speak about the team which take the decisions about mageia, we
+suppose that is some names that we know but we (i) are not sure who is
+exactly,
+They can be listed in a group in wiki
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+have already the cooker's name poll), i think that some times the polls are
+not able to guide the distribution to its goal, and the decisions must be
+taken from the board team.
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+ from &quot;herman&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> It could be argued that the only thing the Mageia project really need to
+</I>&gt;<i> fork is the drake wizards. A distribution based on Fedora with drake
+</I>&gt;<i> wizards is really all I need!
+</I>
+I quite agree, what I missed most when trying out other distros was the set of
+Drake tools.
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+This given, why go to the bother of another fork, and not join en masse the
+PCLinux crowd ? Are there deep theological differences between them and what
+we are trying to do ?
+
+Cheers,
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+Ron.
+--
+ Procrastinate now !
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+<PRE>We alredy found a marketing guy.
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+Maybe we need to find a Feng Shui guy LOL LOL.
+
+IMHO the problem is not the color. The thing is that if we ship a
+Gnome or a KDE just as they are released by Gnome / KDE, obviously
+Mageia will look like almost any Gnome / KDE distro. But if we can
+give them the &quot;magic touch&quot; (LOL) then you'll be different.
+
+Hate me, ok. But when I see Ubuntu's interface, I know it's Gnome. But
+it doesn't look like other Gnome's. See my point?
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+Cheers!
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> We alredy found a marketing guy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we need to find a Feng Shui guy LOL LOL.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO the problem is not the color. The thing is that if we ship a
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome or a KDE just as they are released by Gnome / KDE, obviously
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia will look like almost any Gnome / KDE distro. But if we can
+</I>&gt;<i> give them the &quot;magic touch&quot; (LOL) then you'll be different.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hate me, ok. But when I see Ubuntu's interface, I know it's Gnome. But
+</I>&gt;<i> it doesn't look like other Gnome's. See my point?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
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+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinux crowd ? Are there deep theological differences between them and what
+</I>&gt;<i> we are trying to do ?
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+If we must go to another distro, I prefer Fedora. Interesting thing
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+like continuity from Mandriva Linux. But forking is also a challenge to
+find not too hard to implement improvements - such as &quot;bugzilla monitoring&quot;.
+
+I think I am not the only one who frequently felt frustrated submitting
+yet another bug, knowing that it had more 50% of chance to disappear the
+&quot;oubliettes&quot;. I think there is an objective question: if bugs are not
+followed up, that should not just happen by accident - there should be
+an explicit and justified decision. There is also a subjective question:
+a user who went through the pains to write a good bug report should get
+a feedback with a followup, even if there are no &quot;comments&quot; in the
+bugzilla data base.
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+Some ideas: have a &quot;lost bug advocate&quot;? create a team - just like the
+&quot;triage team&quot; that feels responsible for bugs not to disappear?
+(different from the, but talking to, maybe overlapping the triage team,
+leaning on the &quot;dev&quot; - in Mageia it will be a volonteer, even more
+important - to whom a bug is assigned) - proposing and justifying which
+bugs - for the time being - will have no follow up), creating some
+commented statistics on the fate of bugs - good for QA, but also for PR
+about Mageia? trigger an alarm if too many bugs remain un-resolved? -
+always assuming that enough active contribution can be recruited from
+the temp. wiki list. I also believe that, for Mageia, the situation is
+different. In Mandriva, I guess that some (many?) of these acitivities
+were done by staff of the QA group - in Mageia an alternative is needed.
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+&gt;<i> Picking up from where Mageia forked off, many things activities look like
+</I>&gt;<i> continuity from Mandriva Linux. But forking is also a challenge to find not
+</I>&gt;<i> too hard to implement improvements - such as &quot;bugzilla monitoring&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think I am not the only one who frequently felt frustrated submitting yet
+</I>&gt;<i> another bug, knowing that it had more 50% of chance to disappear the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;oubliettes&quot;. I think there is an objective question: if bugs are not
+</I>&gt;<i> followed up, that should not just happen by accident - there should be an
+</I>&gt;<i> explicit and justified decision. There is also a subjective question: a user
+</I>&gt;<i> who went through the pains to write a good bug report should get a feedback
+</I>&gt;<i> with a followup, even if there are no &quot;comments&quot; in the bugzilla data base.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some ideas: have a &quot;lost bug advocate&quot;? create a team - just like the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;triage team&quot; that feels responsible for bugs not to disappear? (different
+</I>&gt;<i> from the, but talking to, maybe overlapping the triage team, leaning on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;dev&quot; - in Mageia it will be a volonteer, even more important - to whom a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug is assigned) - proposing and justifying which bugs - for the time being
+</I>&gt;<i> - will have no follow up), creating some commented statistics on the fate of
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs - good for QA, but also for PR about Mageia? trigger an alarm if too
+</I>&gt;<i> many bugs remain un-resolved? - always assuming that enough active
+</I>&gt;<i> contribution can be recruited from the temp. wiki list. I also believe that,
+</I>&gt;<i> for Mageia, the situation is different. In Mandriva, I guess that some
+</I>&gt;<i> (many?) of these acitivities were done by staff of the QA group - in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> an alternative is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe Mandriva had something like this - if yes, it was too well hidden.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+I mean, I have a problem, I report the bug, and I keep bothering until
+someone answer me.
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+It has no sense to report a bug and leave it / forget it.
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+Create a team to control that another team doesn't forget is (IMHO and
+no offense intended) a waste of resources even if that team is made
+with volunteers. Because these volunteers could do something more
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Frederic Janssens &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Checked the site and found some minor issues.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just read it. IMHO there are to many, and misplaced, commas.
+</I>&gt;<i> I could try to fix it, but I will first try to get help from a friend who
+</I>&gt;<i> is a real native speaker.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Frederic
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+Frederic,
+
+Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.
+Would appreciate your input.
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+<PRE>Bonjour &#224; tous,
+
+J'ai vu la page concernant la r&#233;ception des dons pour Mageia, mais je n'ai pas
+trouve d'info sur la possibilit&#233; de d&#233;fiscalisation. Pour faire court, c'est
+possible de donner &#224; l'association Mageia une partie de votre imp&#244;t sur le
+revenu.
+
+
+Voici ce que pr&#233;voit la l&#233;gislation Fran&#231;aise en mati&#232;re:
+
+Type d'organisme: &#338;uvres d'int&#233;r&#234;t g&#233;n&#233;ral ou d'utilit&#233; publique
+Montant ouvrant droit aux r&#233;ductions d'imp&#244;t: 66 % des sommes vers&#233;es en 2009
+Limites: 20 % du revenu imposable.
+(source: <A HREF="http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F426.xhtml">http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F426.xhtml</A>)
+
+Pour les mortels comme moi, au lieu de payer des imp&#244;ts, faites un don &#224;
+l'association Mageia, dans la limite de 20% de votre revenu net imposable, et
+vous obtiendrez une r&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts &#224; hauteur de 66% de la somme vers&#233;e.
+
+Bref, pour cela il faut que l'association Mageia vous fourni un re&#231;u en &#233;change
+de la somme vers&#233;e, qui est &#224; conserver et pr&#233;senter &#224; l'administration fiscale
+apr&#232;s la d&#233;claration de revenus.
+Le formulaire se trouve ici: <A HREF="http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/R17454.xhtml">http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/R17454.xhtml</A>
+
+J'esp&#232;re que cette information pourra vous faciliter la contribution &#224; la bonne
+cause Mageia.
+
+@+
+Florin
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+ <B>Reinout van Schouwen</B>
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 24-09-2010 om 14:20 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef isadora:
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+&gt;<i> Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+</I>&gt;<i> I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.
+</I>&gt;<i> Would appreciate your input.
+</I>
+So I've been the Dutch translation coordinator for Mandriva since I
+don't know how many years, but I haven't done so much for the last
+couple of releases because of a lack of time. I'm very happy to see
+renewed interest in Dutch-language translations for Mageia. As I said I
+don't have so much time to spend on it but I'll be happy to give advice
+and to proofread translations, at least. We could set up an (informal)
+team.
+
+regards,
+
+--
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+<PRE> Le 24/09/2010 14:37, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Bonjour &#224; tous,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J'ai vu la page concernant la r&#233;ception des dons pour Mageia, mais je n'ai pas
+</I>&gt;<i> trouve d'info sur la possibilit&#233; de d&#233;fiscalisation. Pour faire court, c'est
+</I>&gt;<i> possible de donner &#224; l'association Mageia une partie de votre imp&#244;t sur le
+</I>&gt;<i> revenu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Voici ce que pr&#233;voit la l&#233;gislation Fran&#231;aise en mati&#232;re:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Type d'organisme: &#338;uvres d'int&#233;r&#234;t g&#233;n&#233;ral ou d'utilit&#233; publique
+</I>&gt;<i> Montant ouvrant droit aux r&#233;ductions d'imp&#244;t: 66 % des sommes vers&#233;es en 2009
+</I>&gt;<i> Limites: 20 % du revenu imposable.
+</I>&gt;<i> (source: <A HREF="http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F426.xhtml">http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F426.xhtml</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pour les mortels comme moi, au lieu de payer des imp&#244;ts, faites un don &#224;
+</I>&gt;<i> l'association Mageia, dans la limite de 20% de votre revenu net imposable, et
+</I>&gt;<i> vous obtiendrez une r&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts &#224; hauteur de 66% de la somme vers&#233;e.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bref, pour cela il faut que l'association Mageia vous fourni un re&#231;u en &#233;change
+</I>&gt;<i> de la somme vers&#233;e, qui est &#224; conserver et pr&#233;senter &#224; l'administration fiscale
+</I>&gt;<i> apr&#232;s la d&#233;claration de revenus.
+</I>&gt;<i> Le formulaire se trouve ici: <A HREF="http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/R17454.xhtml">http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/R17454.xhtml</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J'esp&#232;re que cette information pourra vous faciliter la contribution &#224; la bonne
+</I>&gt;<i> cause Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @+
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+
+Marianne
+
+PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french unable
+to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in english,
+even it's with a lot of errors)
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> This given, why go to the bother of another fork, and not join en masse the
+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinux crowd ? Are there deep theological differences between them and what
+</I>&gt;<i> we are trying to do ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>
+Hi Ron,
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+PCLinuxOS is a one-man show (Texstar), a single-language distribution
+(English), and I believe it was KDE-only (not sure 100%, it's been a
+while since I've used PCLinuxOS).
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+I believe one of the strengths of Mageia is community-driven,
+multi-language, and multi-desktop.
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+Salut,
+Sinner
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> -----Message d'origine-----
+</I>&gt;<i> De&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:mageia-discuss-
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;&#160;: 23 septembre 2010 18:42
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because what is important is a logo, not a slogan, even if it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;gratis&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure. But not everybody has skills to design an outstanding logo and
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone wants to participate in the project. As there is nothing else
+</I>&gt;<i> to be creative about yet, why not to spend a few moments on a slogan
+</I>&gt;<i> brainstorming?
+</I>
+Hi,
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+This thread is not about a slogan, it is about a logo. It is not because you
+don't have any skills to design a logo that you have to find a slogan...!
+
+If you want to participate, do it in the area where you have skills and where
+you can really help. There's plenty of job to do, so check the wiki, the ML
+threads.
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+Pat
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+&gt;<i> It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like the
+</I>&gt;<i> Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>
+Interet general is easier to achieve, as explained on
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Reinout van Schouwen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">reinout at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 24-09-2010 om 14:20 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef isadora:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Would appreciate your input.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I've been the Dutch translation coordinator for Mandriva since I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't know how many years, but I haven't done so much for the last
+</I>&gt;<i> couple of releases because of a lack of time. I'm very happy to see
+</I>&gt;<i> renewed interest in Dutch-language translations for Mageia. As I said I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have so much time to spend on it but I'll be happy to give advice
+</I>&gt;<i> and to proofread translations, at least. We could set up an (informal)
+</I>&gt;<i> team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Reinout,
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+Added you to my contact-list.
+This was my first effort in translating.
+It feels to me, like doing something for a much-promising distribution.
+For me it is the same, as far as it concerns time.
+Now i am at home for some long time, because of my illness.
+This means i have some spare hours, to do something for the community, if i
+feel to.
+
+Thanks for your reaction, and i like the idea of an informal team.
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Marianne Lombard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Interet general is easier to achieve, as explained on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fsffrance.org/donations/howto.fr.html">http://www.fsffrance.org/donations/howto.fr.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The clause
+
+*L'organisme ne concurrence pas une entreprise*
+
+would be difficult, unless Mandriva SA folds completely .
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+<PRE>Le 24/09/2010 14:46, Marianne Lombard a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 24/09/2010 14:37, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bonjour &#224; tous,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+</I>&gt;<i> the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french
+</I>&gt;<i> unable to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in
+</I>&gt;<i> english, even it's with a lot of errors)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>She can also be very nice and friendly according to people who know her
+well ^^
+
+(though i suspect this part of her being visible implies to use a demon
+control pentagram)
+
+Ma&#226;t
+
+:<i>o)
+</I>
+Nota : even if joking i think, as Marianne does, that a little bit of
+&quot;english discipline&quot; will not hurt :)
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Frederic Janssens &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Marianne Lombard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interet general is easier to achieve, as explained on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fsffrance.org/donations/howto.fr.html">http://www.fsffrance.org/donations/howto.fr.html</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The clause
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> L'organisme ne concurrence pas une entreprise
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> would be difficult, unless Mandriva SA folds completely .
+</I>
+I don't think we compete in any way with Mandriva S.A.
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+ <I>Fri Sep 24 15:10:23 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hi Marianne,
+
+Sorry to disturb the rules of this list, but I didn't see the French
+distribution list, and secondly my message regarded only French people (it's
+about taxes in France).
+
+So, the source says (<A HREF="http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F426.xhtml">http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F426.xhtml</A>):
+&quot;Pour b&#233;n&#233;ficier de dons, les organismes doivent respecter certaines conditions
+:<i> &#234;tre &#224; but non lucratif, avoir un objet social ou une gestion d&#233;sint&#233;ress&#233;e,
+</I>ne pas fonctionner au profit d'un cercle restreint de personnes.&quot;
+
+This means that the future Mageia association could have this kind of statute to
+benefit of such a financial facility. In the end, the distro that's produced is
+that everybody can take advantage of it freely, with no charge. The opposite of
+a commercial product.
+
+If we don't do that, Mageia is missing a real big opportunity in founding the
+association.
+I'm searching to avoid paying taxes and I prefer to give that money to Mageia
+instead of the French administration. If it'll not be possible for Mageia, I'll
+give that money to the church, Red Cross or other association.
+
+Cheers,
+Florin
+
+
+
+----- Original Message ----
+From: Marianne Lombard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Fri, 24 September, 2010 14:46:22
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224;
+l'association Mageia
+
+ Le 24/09/2010 14:37, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Bonjour &#224; tous,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J'ai vu la page concernant la r&#233;ception des dons pour Mageia, mais je n'ai pas
+</I>&gt;<i> trouve d'info sur la possibilit&#233; de d&#233;fiscalisation. Pour faire court, c'est
+</I>&gt;<i> possible de donner &#224; l'association Mageia une partie de votre imp&#244;t sur le
+</I>&gt;<i> revenu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Voici ce que pr&#233;voit la l&#233;gislation Fran&#231;aise en mati&#232;re:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Type d'organisme: &#338;uvres d'int&#233;r&#234;t g&#233;n&#233;ral ou d'utilit&#233; publique
+</I>&gt;<i> Montant ouvrant droit aux r&#233;ductions d'imp&#244;t: 66 % des sommes vers&#233;es en 2009
+</I>&gt;<i> Limites: 20 % du revenu imposable.
+</I>&gt;<i> (source: <A HREF="http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F426.xhtml">http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/F426.xhtml</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pour les mortels comme moi, au lieu de payer des imp&#244;ts, faites un don &#224;
+</I>&gt;<i> l'association Mageia, dans la limite de 20% de votre revenu net imposable, et
+</I>&gt;<i> vous obtiendrez une r&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts &#224; hauteur de 66% de la somme vers&#233;e.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bref, pour cela il faut que l'association Mageia vous fourni un re&#231;u en
+</I>&#233;change
+&gt;<i> de la somme vers&#233;e, qui est &#224; conserver et pr&#233;senter &#224; l'administration
+</I>fiscale
+&gt;<i> apr&#232;s la d&#233;claration de revenus.
+</I>&gt;<i> Le formulaire se trouve ici: <A HREF="http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/R17454.xhtml">http://vosdroits.service-public.fr/R17454.xhtml</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J'esp&#232;re que cette information pourra vous faciliter la contribution &#224; la
+</I>bonne
+&gt;<i> cause Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @+
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+
+Marianne
+
+PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french unable
+to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in english,
+even it's with a lot of errors)
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 14:46:22 Marianne Lombard, vous avez &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+</I>&gt;<i> the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french unable
+</I>&gt;<i> to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in english,
+</I>&gt;<i> even it's with a lot of errors)
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>I disagree, english is NOT the only one language in the world and some can't
+speak / write in english : must they shut up because of it ?
+The message was for the french people about french laws.
+I agree it is better to write in english to be understand by mostly people,
+but does matter if someone speak in its own language to tell what he think ?
+the developper are from everywhere, some of them can unterstand the message
+and translate if it is an interesting purpose.
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+@all
+It's a joke...
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+Am 24.09.2010 um 15:21 schrieb &quot;Tulum&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tulum at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 14:46:22 Marianne Lombard, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marianne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french unable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in english,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even it's with a lot of errors)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> I disagree, english is NOT the only one language in the world and some can't
+</I>&gt;<i> speak / write in english : must they shut up because of it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The message was for the french people about french laws.
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree it is better to write in english to be understand by mostly people,
+</I>&gt;<i> but does matter if someone speak in its own language to tell what he think ?
+</I>&gt;<i> the developper are from everywhere, some of them can unterstand the message
+</I>&gt;<i> and translate if it is an interesting purpose.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+<PRE>Le 24/09/2010 15:21, Tulum a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 14:46:22 Marianne Lombard, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marianne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french unable
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in english,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even it's with a lot of errors)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I disagree, english is NOT the only one language in the world and some can't
+</I>&gt;<i> speak / write in english : must they shut up because of it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The message was for the french people about french laws.
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree it is better to write in english to be understand by mostly people,
+</I>&gt;<i> but does matter if someone speak in its own language to tell what he think ?
+</I>&gt;<i> the developper are from everywhere, some of them can unterstand the message
+</I>&gt;<i> and translate if it is an interesting purpose.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This list is presented as an english-speaking list. So people who write
+here use english.
+In a second time, I'm sure that localised list will be set-up, so
+everyone can exchange on his own native tongue.
+
+I doesn't want to be offensive, just want to remember people to respect
+basic rules of civility :
+ use the langage chosen for the list
+ and no-posting (in this thread, no problem)
+
+I participate to an IRC chan who use this simple rule : be polite, be
+helpful
+Can we use this one here ?
+
+
+Marianne
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate)
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+<PRE>Le 24/09/2010 15:27, Lombard Marianne a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 24/09/2010 15:21, Tulum a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 14:46:22 Marianne Lombard, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Marianne
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french unable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in english,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> even it's with a lot of errors)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I disagree, english is NOT the only one language in the world and some can't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> speak / write in english : must they shut up because of it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The message was for the french people about french laws.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree it is better to write in english to be understand by mostly people,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but does matter if someone speak in its own language to tell what he think ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the developper are from everywhere, some of them can unterstand the message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and translate if it is an interesting purpose.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This list is presented as an english-speaking list. So people who write
+</I>&gt;<i> here use english.
+</I>&gt;<i> In a second time, I'm sure that localised list will be set-up, so
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone can exchange on his own native tongue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I doesn't want to be offensive, just want to remember people to respect
+</I>&gt;<i> basic rules of civility :
+</I>&gt;<i> use the langage chosen for the list
+</I>&gt;<i> and no-posting (in this thread, no problem)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>no top-posting of course
+(lack of coffee or of sleep, I didn't know exactly)
+&gt;<i> I participate to an IRC chan who use this simple rule : be polite, be
+</I>&gt;<i> helpful
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we use this one here ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Marianne
+
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+Mandriva User
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+<PRE>&#22312; Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:21:10 +0800, Tulum &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tulum at laposte.net</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> I disagree, english is NOT the only one language in the world and some
+</I>&gt;<i> can't
+</I>&gt;<i> speak / write in english : must they shut up because of it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> The message was for the french people about french laws.
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree it is better to write in english to be understand by mostly
+</I>&gt;<i> people,
+</I>&gt;<i> but does matter if someone speak in its own language to tell what he
+</I>&gt;<i> think ?
+</I>&gt;<i> the developper are from everywhere, some of them can unterstand the
+</I>&gt;<i> message
+</I>&gt;<i> and translate if it is an interesting purpose.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It's because keeping everyone received the mail knows what the content says
+
+is important. Sure, there's not only English in the world, but most
+(supposed
+
+not every) people using this mailing list knows English. In this way,
+could the
+
+message spread much faster, not spending time in translating.
+
+----
+Having more than 3 languages at the same time is confusing and inefficient
+when it
+
+comes to message exchange, believe me. I had experience like this when
+meeting face
+
+to face, which ought to be easier than using mailing list, but still
+drives everyone
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+Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 15:27:31, Lombard Marianne a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 24/09/2010 15:21, Tulum a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 14:46:22 Marianne Lombard, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Marianne
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french unable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in english,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; even it's with a lot of errors)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I disagree, english is NOT the only one language in the world and some can't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; speak / write in english : must they shut up because of it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The message was for the french people about french laws.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I agree it is better to write in english to be understand by mostly people,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but does matter if someone speak in its own language to tell what he think ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the developper are from everywhere, some of them can unterstand the message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and translate if it is an interesting purpose.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> This list is presented as an english-speaking list. So people who write
+</I>&gt;<i> here use english.
+</I>&gt;<i> In a second time, I'm sure that localised list will be set-up, so
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone can exchange on his own native tongue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I doesn't want to be offensive, just want to remember people to respect
+</I>&gt;<i> basic rules of civility :
+</I>&gt;<i> use the langage chosen for the list
+</I>&gt;<i> and no-posting (in this thread, no problem)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I participate to an IRC chan who use this simple rule : be polite, be
+</I>&gt;<i> helpful
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we use this one here ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As a french person I must stress also that using french on an english mailing list makes us appear like a &quot;french clique&quot;, although it's obvious that the Mandriva Linux community and the Mageia community gather many nationalities !
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We alredy found a marketing guy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we need to find a Feng Shui guy LOL LOL.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> IMHO the problem is not the color. The thing is that if we ship a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gnome or a KDE just as they are released by Gnome / KDE, obviously
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia will look like almost any Gnome / KDE distro. But if we can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> give them the &quot;magic touch&quot; (LOL) then you'll be different.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hate me, ok. But when I see Ubuntu's interface, I know it's Gnome. But
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it doesn't look like other Gnome's. See my point?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+BTW, if there's something I hate about the current look of MDV, that's the
+trash can in KDE (I don't know Gnome...). It looks like a cheap corroded
+trash can to me - a tinpot. Pelase, reconsider it!
+I hope I did not hurt (that much) anybody's feelings...
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+&gt;<i> Nun, wenn man das so sieht, reden wir bald alle nicht mehr miteinander.
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+</I>&gt;<i> It's a joke...
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+I really don't know if &quot;founders&quot; are already writing or thinking some of these.
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+But IMHO that we could be &quot;inspired&quot; by <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview</A>
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+This is very related with what Graham Lauder said in this e-mail:
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20100923/000163.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20100923/000163.html</A>
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+I think that sayt our objective is &quot;to fork Mandriva because Mandriva
+S.A. is incompetent&quot; is not enough.
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+Something that I think is very important and found in Fedora's wiki is
+the &quot;User base&quot;: <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base</A>
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+They describe &quot;the minimum level of consumer for whom we'll design the
+default offering&quot;. I guess this is the user they are targeting. This
+is very important to avoid &quot;fights&quot; in the future when someone says
+&quot;the distro must be for newbbies&quot; and another says &quot;the distro must be
+for advanced users&quot;, and a developer stands up and says &quot;the distro is
+what I want it to be because I scratch my own back&quot; (no offence
+intended)
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+If you say &quot;this is the target&quot;, then we all will shoot to it.
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+Cheers!
+
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+tavillo1980
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+&gt;<i> I disagree, english is NOT the only one language in the world and some can't
+</I>&gt;<i> speak / write in english : must they shut up because of it ?
+</I>
+While this is not the only language and that the project aknoledged it by
+asking and accepting translation, we agreed to
+use english on this list, so I think that's better for everybody
+to respect the rule.
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+&gt;<i> The message was for the french people about french laws.
+</I>
+The message was posted to a international audience on a english mailling
+list. So it was likely misdirected as everything is handled for the moment
+by AUFML, and therefore this should be send to them.
+
+( not to mention that we are already aware of this, we did our homework
+before starting the project )
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+&gt;<i> I agree it is better to write in english to be understand by mostly people,
+</I>&gt;<i> but does matter if someone speak in its own language to tell what he think ?
+</I>&gt;<i> the developper are from everywhere, some of them can unterstand the message
+</I>&gt;<i> and translate if it is an interesting purpose.
+</I>
+Yes, it is important. Because this prevent the list to become a complete
+mess. If there is 75% of mail that I cannot understand, I do not think
+I will read the ML anymore. And I doubt that I will be alone in this case.
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+And I must add that as a french, I agree with Marianne.
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+ from Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS is a one-man show (Texstar), a single-language distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> (English), and I believe it was KDE-only (not sure 100%, it's been a
+</I>&gt;<i> while since I've used PCLinuxOS).
+</I>
+Thanks for the info, did not know that.
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+Cheers,
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+Ron.
+--
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+ By all means, do not use a hammer.
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+&gt;<i> I'd like to point out two things:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) when we speak about the team which take the decisions about mageia, we
+</I>&gt;<i> suppose that is some names that we know but we (i) are not sure who is
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly,
+</I>&gt;<i> They can be listed in a group in wiki
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+&gt;<i> These are the things that will lead the way for Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I really don't know if &quot;founders&quot; are already writing or thinking some of these.
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:50:20AM -0300, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli wrote:
+&gt;<i> These are the things that will lead the way for Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I really don't know if &quot;founders&quot; are already writing or thinking some of these.
+</I>
+Yes, they are at this very moment right before my eyes.
+
+&gt;<i> But IMHO that we could be &quot;inspired&quot; by <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is very related with what Graham Lauder said in this e-mail:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20100923/000163.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-dev/20100923/000163.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that sayt our objective is &quot;to fork Mandriva because Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> S.A. is incompetent&quot; is not enough.
+</I>
+It is not the objective, just a consequence :)
+
+&gt;<i> Something that I think is very important and found in Fedora's wiki is
+</I>&gt;<i> the &quot;User base&quot;: <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They describe &quot;the minimum level of consumer for whom we'll design the
+</I>&gt;<i> default offering&quot;. I guess this is the user they are targeting. This
+</I>&gt;<i> is very important to avoid &quot;fights&quot; in the future when someone says
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;the distro must be for newbbies&quot; and another says &quot;the distro must be
+</I>&gt;<i> for advanced users&quot;, and a developer stands up and says &quot;the distro is
+</I>&gt;<i> what I want it to be because I scratch my own back&quot; (no offence
+</I>&gt;<i> intended)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you say &quot;this is the target&quot;, then we all will shoot to it.
+</I>
+It took something like 6 months to produce the page you gave. And Fedora people have
+also worked on this since a long time.
+
+Our project as announced less than a week ago, and there is lots of work
+to do to get basic infrastructure, answer mails and so on.
+
+So could people please start to consider that we are only human living
+in a world with 24h a day, and therefor, that everything cannot be yet written,
+and that we should rush important document like this ?
+
+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, if there's something I hate about the current look of MDV, that's the
+</I>&gt;<i> trash can in KDE (I don't know Gnome...). It looks like a cheap corroded
+</I>&gt;<i> trash can to me - a tinpot. Pelase, reconsider it!
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope I did not hurt (that much) anybody's feelings...
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+Trash cans have to look cheap and corroded, it's their fate.
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+<PRE>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> OT: I think there are many threads talking about the logo, and in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> different mailing lists
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup. Too many people breaking the threads. We just need to keep reminding
+</I>&gt;<i> (teaching) people not to break it and how to answer thread messages. Such is
+</I>&gt;<i> the nature of the mailist beast.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+I have a question about the logo contest:
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+I submitted a graphic and granted public viewing rights but it cannot
+be seen unless I log into Flickr.
+
+Under the Owner Settings there is a message that I cannot edit which says:
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+&quot;Staff have decided this should be hidden from public searches&quot;
+
+Who is this &quot;Staff&quot; and why is my submission is being censored from public view?
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+(Perhaps its just a mistake on my side but I can't see what it is.)
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+Thanks,
+Rick
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org
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+ <I>Fri Sep 24 16:14:37 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hello,
+
+The poll is over and a choice has been made.
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+319 people participated to the poll
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+Other choices: less than 30 voices
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+Elixir: 30 voices
+Agora, Edge: 31 voices
+Wok: 32 voices
+Alchemy: 35 voices
+Genesis: 36 voices
+Foundry: 37 voices
+Cauldron: 110 voices
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+The community clearly choose &quot;Cauldron&quot;.
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+I hope we'll be able soon to push new packages into the cauldron.
+
+Regards.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+ <I>Fri Sep 24 16:19:22 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hi all!
+
+I forgot to mention it on this list, but some of you already know it. ;)
+
+MLO, known as Mandriva Linux Online, is a french community created in 2007
+and dedicated to provide support for the newbies and newcomers of Mandriva
+Linux system. With the creation of the Mageia project, MLO will in the near
+future become Mageia Linux Online (if we have the permission to use Mageia of
+course) and will take part actively in this exciting new community project.
+
+So stay tune, modification of all the MLO platform will be undertaken once we
+know more of the planned schedule of the first release of the Mageia
+distribution.
+
+In the meantime, MLO continues to give support to newbies and newcomers of
+Mandriva Linux distribution because we hope to attract more newbies in the
+Mageia project.
+
+Longue vie &#224; Mageia!
+
+Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The poll is over and a choice has been made.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 319 people participated to the poll
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Other choices: less than 30 voices
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Elixir: &#160; &#160; &#160;30 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Agora, Edge: 31 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Wok: &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; 32 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Alchemy: &#160; &#160; 35 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Genesis: &#160; &#160; 36 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Foundry: &#160; &#160; 37 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron: &#160; 110 voices
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The community clearly choose &quot;Cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope we'll be able soon to push new packages into the cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> CNRS &#160;- &#160;LATMOS
+</I>&gt;<i> &#9814; &#9816; &#9815; &#9813; &#9812; &#9815; &#9816; &#9814;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Cauldron it is then! :o)
+
+Its a good name and I voted for it but only because I had to select
+from the limited choices.
+
+In the future, &quot;write-in&quot; candidates should be allowed for polls.
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+ <B>Malcer Quaid</B>
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+<PRE>I think it is very professional, simple and striking
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
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+Malcer
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Dubeau, Patrick
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> MLO, known as Mandriva Linux Online, is a french community created in 2007
+</I>&gt;<i> and dedicated to provide support for the newbies and newcomers of Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux system. With the creation of the Mageia project, MLO will in the near
+</I>&gt;<i> future become Mageia Linux Online (if we have the permission to use Mageia of
+</I>&gt;<i> course) and will take part actively in this exciting new community project.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Longue vie &#224; Mageia!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
+</I>
+
+Hi Patrick!
+
+Welcome aboard!
+
+Blogdrake is in the same position as MLO. See you around!
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+--
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+Linux User # 89976 - Visit BlogDrake:&#160; <A HREF="http://blogdrake.net">http://blogdrake.net</A>
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+<PRE>Hi Patrick. Thank you!
+
+Stephen
+
+-----Original Message-----
+&gt;<i>From: &quot;Dubeau, Patrick&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>Sent: Sep 24, 2010 9:19 AM
+</I>&gt;<i>To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>Subject: [Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
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+</I>&gt;<i>Hi all!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I forgot to mention it on this list, but some of you already know it. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>MLO, known as Mandriva Linux Online, is a french community created in 2007
+</I>&gt;<i>and dedicated to provide support for the newbies and newcomers of Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i>Linux system. With the creation of the Mageia project, MLO will in the near
+</I>&gt;<i>future become Mageia Linux Online (if we have the permission to use Mageia of
+</I>&gt;<i>course) and will take part actively in this exciting new community project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>So stay tune, modification of all the MLO platform will be undertaken once we
+</I>&gt;<i>know more of the planned schedule of the first release of the Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>In the meantime, MLO continues to give support to newbies and newcomers of
+</I>&gt;<i>Mandriva Linux distribution because we hope to attract more newbies in the
+</I>&gt;<i>Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Longue vie &#224; Mageia!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>_______________________________________________
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+&gt;<i> Cauldron: 110 voices
+</I>
+yay Cauldron!
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 R James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron: &#160; 110 voices
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Its a good name and I voted for it but only because I had to select
+</I>&gt;<i> from the limited choices.
+</I>
+Ok, substract one vote from those 110 then. :)
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Romanian transfaltion for Donation page">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk
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+<PRE>Dear all,
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+Here's the Romanian translation for the donation page.
+Make good use and don't hesitate to solicit me for further help to translate in
+Romanian.
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+Cheers,
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> So could people please start to consider that we are only human living
+</I>&gt;<i> in a world with 24h a day, and therefor, that everything cannot be yet written,
+</I>&gt;<i> and that we should rush important document like this ?
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+It wasn't my intention to bother with this. I really understand that
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Patrick!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Welcome aboard!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Blogdrake is in the same position as MLO. See you around!
+</I>
+And so is MandrivaUser.de, Nice to have you on board!
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Wolfgang Bornath
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 R James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron: &#160; 110 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Its a good name and I voted for it but only because I had to select
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the limited choices.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, substract one vote from those 110 then. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Nope, keep my vote and let's fill the Cauldron with tasty ingredients! ;o)
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As I have said here:
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+...6 hours ago...
+
+This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...
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+Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+matter I did not see it ever.
+I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+level of quality.
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; BTW, if there's something I hate about the current look of MDV, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; trash can in KDE (I don't know Gnome...). It looks like a cheap corroded
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; trash can to me - a tinpot. Pelase, reconsider it!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I hope I did not hurt (that much) anybody's feelings...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Trash cans have to look cheap and corroded, it's their fate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SCNR!
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+LOL
+Although I love Oxygen Team work and I consider it the best theme ever
+(matter of taste), in this case I prefer their alternative trash can. The
+default trash can (the current one) looks better if it is bigger, but at my
+desktop size looks faded (I have it on an Ion + Atom machine of 1280x1024
+pixels).
+As regular user, I miss some theme tool to assign one icon for a selected
+theme in KDE, especially when it is an icon that changes its look depending
+on the state of the trash.
+
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+&gt;<i> I mean, I have a problem, I report the bug, and I keep bothering until
+</I>&gt;<i> someone answer me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Again: we are talking about a community distro - you, being on this list
+at this time, are &quot;community elite&quot; (smiley). You know, I know whom to
+keep bothering - the average user who finally ends up submitting a bug
+does not: if Mageia has been created, it has been created for the
+community at large. Sure: the user submitting a bug must play his role
+clarifying question, checking issues. That is one point.
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+of Mageia QA. No offense, my experience is that - except during periods
+of release finalisation - it did simmer, at least in the average - even
+if there were some very devoted and expeditive bug assignees. By the
+way, in case Mageia becomes a rolling distribution, also that essential
+period will go away.
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+I do not suggest a commity, I suggest that this function figures in the
+task recognised as essential, and is somehow pursued - plus some ideas
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+ <B>Malcer Quaid</B>
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+<PRE>Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+
+If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+
+----- Mensaje original -----
+De: Mihai Dobrescu
+Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+Para: Mageia general discussions
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+
+On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A> &gt; wrote:
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+2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A> &gt;
+
+I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+
+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
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+<A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+
+
+i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+
+--
+
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
+
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+
+
+As I have said here:<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+ ...6 hours ago...
+
+ This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+ The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+ Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...
+
+Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no matter I did not see it ever.
+ I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain level of quality.
+
+Regards, Mike.
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+Malcer
+
+ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
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+<A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; So could people please start to consider that we are only human living
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in a world with 24h a day, and therefor, that everything cannot be yet
+</I>&gt;<i> written,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and that we should rush important document like this ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry... :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It wasn't my intention to bother with this. I really understand that
+</I>&gt;<i> you all are working hard and you also have &quot;Real Life&quot; to live.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My apologize.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I apologize if I kidnap the thread, but I have a real concern for the future
+of this distro if the core people are in financial trouble. I truly wish
+them to have at least decent lives as long as they provide us a great
+product as Mandriva is. I do not fully understand how would Mageia even
+exist without some consistent sponsors at least. Somebody brought the Ubuntu
+example, but one component of prime relevance is the Canonical sponsor
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> De: Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Para: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ext4&#160;Blog,&#160;el&#160;rinc&#243;n&#160;de&#160;Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I have said
+</I>&gt;<i> here:<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...6 hours ago...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+</I>&gt;<i> sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+</I>&gt;<i> some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+</I>&gt;<i> matter I did not see it ever.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+</I>&gt;<i> level of quality.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Mike.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ext4&#160;Blog,&#160;el&#160;rinc&#243;n&#160;de&#160;Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)
+
+So far, this one is my favorite:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+
+Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia. :o)
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> De: Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Para: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I have said here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...6 hours ago...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+</I>&gt;<i> sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+</I>&gt;<i> some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+</I>&gt;<i> matter I did not see it ever.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+</I>&gt;<i> level of quality.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Mike.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think this is the original designer's privilege...
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Para: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As I have said
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ...6 hours ago...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from
+</I>&gt;<i> 'mint')...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to
+</I>&gt;<i> create
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before,
+</I>&gt;<i> no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; matter I did not see it ever.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; level of quality.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards, Mike.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far, this one is my favorite:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia. :o)
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+</I>
+It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim
+semi-lune. Don't know.
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+ <B>Olav Dahlum</B>
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+<PRE> On 24/09/10 17:09, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> De: Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Para: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I have said here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...6 hours ago...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> matter I did not see it ever.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> level of quality.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards, Mike.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think this is the original designer's privilege...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>
+Mint? Looks more like Mozilla.
+
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Para: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; As I have said
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ...6 hours ago...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'mint')...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> create
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; matter I did not see it ever.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; level of quality.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Regards, Mike.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So far, this one is my favorite:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :o)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim
+</I>&gt;<i> semi-lune. Don't know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>i like a lot this one:
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/</A>
+
+it gives many emotions and a enviroment of &quot;mageia&quot;
+
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+ <B>Malcer Quaid</B>
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+<PRE>Half moon have Islamic connotations (both political and religious) in some regions and should be to avoid this.
+
+----- Mensaje original -----
+De: Mihai Dobrescu
+Enviado: 24-09-10 17:12
+Para: Mageia general discussions
+Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+
+
+On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James &lt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A> &gt; wrote:
+
+On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A> &gt; wrote:
+ &gt; Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+ &gt;
+ &gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+ &gt;
+ &gt; ----- Mensaje original -----
+ &gt;
+ &gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Para: Mageia general discussions
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+ &gt;
+ &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A> &gt;
+ &gt; wrote:
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A> &gt;
+ &gt;&gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+ &gt;&gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+ &gt;&gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer
+ &gt;&gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+ &gt;&gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt; i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt; --
+ &gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+ &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+ &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+ &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+ &gt;&gt;
+ &gt;
+ &gt; As I have said
+ &gt; here:<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+ &gt; ...6 hours ago...
+ &gt;
+ &gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+ &gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+ &gt; Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+ &gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+ &gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+ &gt; matter I did not see it ever.
+ &gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+ &gt; level of quality.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Regards, Mike.
+ &gt;
+ &gt;
+ &gt;
+ &gt;
+ &gt; Malcer
+ &gt;
+ &gt; ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+ &gt;
+ &gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+ &gt;
+ &gt; _______________________________________________
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+
+(Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)
+
+ So far, this one is my favorite:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+
+ Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia. :o)
+
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+It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim semi-lune. Don't know.
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like a redesign of the default trash can, though..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't have a trash can on my desktop., Marking something and hitting
+the 'delete' key does the job for me. I'd rather see the trash can
+banned, it is a heritage from Windows with no real reason to exist.
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Half moon have Islamic connotations (both political and religious) in some
+</I>&gt;<i> regions and should be to avoid this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> De: Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Enviado: 24-09-10 17:12
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Para: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Para: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; ext4&#160;Blog,&#160;el&#160;rinc&#243;n&#160;de&#160;Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; As I have said
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; here:<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ...6 hours ago...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; 'mint')...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; create
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; matter I did not see it ever.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; level of quality.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Regards, Mike.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ext4&#160;Blog,&#160;el&#160;rinc&#243;n&#160;de&#160;Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So far, this one is my favorite:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;:o)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim
+</I>&gt;<i> semi-lune. Don't know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ext4&#160;Blog,&#160;el&#160;rinc&#243;n&#160;de&#160;Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Sorry Malcer, could you please stop top posting! Pretty Please?
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+&gt;<i> Half moon have Islamic connotations (both political and religious) in some
+</I>&gt;<i> regions and should be to avoid this.
+</I>
+Oops, I did even think of the possible the religious connection.
+
+Looks like selecting a good logo will be a surprisingly big challenge.
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+<PRE>On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Sorry Malcer, could you please stop top posting! Pretty Please?
+</I>
+Can we also please all stop quote the entire previous email in every
+reply?
+
+It is very annoying having to scroll down several pages just to read a
+single sentence reply.
+
+The correct behaviour is to only quote the relevant sentences you are
+replying to and only if necessary.
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+Many thanks in advance!
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Olav Dahlum &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">odahlum at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On 24/09/10 17:09, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> De: Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Para: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listMageia-discuss at mageia.orghttps</A>://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I have said here:<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...6 hours ago...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+</I>&gt;<i> Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from 'mint')...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I am
+</I>&gt;<i> sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to create
+</I>&gt;<i> some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before, no
+</I>&gt;<i> matter I did not see it ever.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a certain
+</I>&gt;<i> level of quality.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards, Mike.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listMageia-discuss at mageia.orghttps</A>://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think this is the original designer's privilege...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">listMageia-discuss at mageia.orghttps</A>://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mint? Looks more like Mozilla.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Olav.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would like a redesign of the default trash can, though..
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have a trash can on my desktop., Marking something and hitting
+</I>&gt;<i> the 'delete' key does the job for me. I'd rather see the trash can
+</I>&gt;<i> banned, it is a heritage from Windows with no real reason to exist.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But that's only my individual preference.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>
+Mac has it also.
+I like it there, I know if there's something eating my space...
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 6:08 PM, R James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't mine, is one of the proposals in the flickr pool. XD
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; If we change the &quot;m&quot; with another font?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ----- Mensaje original -----
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; De: Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Enviado: 24-09-10 16:52
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Para: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Asunto: Re: [Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Malcer Quaid &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">malcer at gmx.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I think it is very professional, simple and striking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5019584538/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i like it, but i don't like that reminds me linux mint .
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; As I have said
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/eleefece/5014723349/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ...6 hours ago...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This reminds me of Linux Mint logo...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The &quot;M&quot; has the shape of the Linux Mint leaf.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Also Linux Mint contains an 'm' in the logo (of course ... from
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 'mint')...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Please don't be sad, it is hard to create something new these days. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> am
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; sure you did not get inspired by linux mint logo. Every time I try to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> create
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; some new logo or other graphic work I find that somebody did it before,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; matter I did not see it ever.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I am always happy somehow, because it means I did something of a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> certain
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; level of quality.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Regards, Mike.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; ext4 Blog, el rinc&#243;n de Malcer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://ext4.wordpress.com">http://ext4.wordpress.com</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So far, this one is my favorite:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> :o)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It remainds me of Eclipse... It also could be interpreted as Muslim
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> semi-lune. Don't know.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i like a lot this one:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/msdobrescu/5014278099/in/pool-1491252@N24/lightbox/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it gives many emotions and a enviroment of &quot;mageia&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thank you, but this is too complicated for a logo. I made it as fan art :D
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+<PRE>On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Thank you, but this is too complicated for a logo. I made it as fan art :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Can you please stop quoting the entire thread in every reply?
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+Thanks!
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 24-09-2010 om 12:57 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Wolfgang
+Bornath:
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+&gt;<i> Yes, my favorite color (not only in IT and desktops) is blue and I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't mind a blue theme (Fedora is also blue), but it has to be a
+</I>&gt;<i> different blue than Mandriva, there must be a distinction.
+</I>
+This is a typical bike-shed discussion [1] but I would like to add that
+when choosing a theme color, take into account psychological research
+that says something about the effect of colors on performance [2].
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+[1]
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+Frank Loewe &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">loewe at dotcom-service.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i> Nun, wenn man das so sieht, reden wir bald alle nicht mehr miteinander.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> @all
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a joke...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Una broma para decir ...
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+&gt;<i> Can we also please all stop quote the entire previous email in every
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+</I>&gt;<i> It is very annoying having to scroll down several pages just to read a
+</I>&gt;<i> single sentence reply.
+</I>
+And even worse when the reply one finally arrives at is only &quot;+1&quot;
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+Cheers,
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+Ron.
+--
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+ dann bringt Arbeit Segen, dann ist Arbeit Gebet.
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+<PRE>Le Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:38:06 +0200
+Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 15:27:31, Lombard Marianne a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 24/09/2010 15:21, Tulum a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 14:46:22 Marianne Lombard, vous avez &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; It works only if the association is declared of &quot;public utility&quot; (like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; the Red-Cross and others). But it's not the case for the AUFML.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Marianne
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; PS : please no more french on an english-speaking mailing-list. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; only see french people post here in the wrong langage. Are french unable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; to respect this simple rule ? (I'm french too, and I write in english,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; even it's with a lot of errors)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I disagree, english is NOT the only one language in the world and some can't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; speak / write in english : must they shut up because of it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The message was for the french people about french laws.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I agree it is better to write in english to be understand by mostly people,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; but does matter if someone speak in its own language to tell what he think ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; the developper are from everywhere, some of them can unterstand the message
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; and translate if it is an interesting purpose.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This list is presented as an english-speaking list. So people who write
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; here use english.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In a second time, I'm sure that localised list will be set-up, so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everyone can exchange on his own native tongue.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I doesn't want to be offensive, just want to remember people to respect
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; basic rules of civility :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; use the langage chosen for the list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and no-posting (in this thread, no problem)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I participate to an IRC chan who use this simple rule : be polite, be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; helpful
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Can we use this one here ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a french person I must stress also that using french on an english mailing list makes us appear like a &quot;french clique&quot;, although it's obvious that the Mandriva Linux community and the Mageia community gather many nationalities !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+I know France is a poor country... but can we make first a distribution before speaking money and &quot;r&#233;ductions d'imp&#244;ts&quot;
+Mageia is *not* an association &quot;d'utilit&#233; publique&quot; so the thread is closed, is'nt it ?
+;-)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> This is a typical bike-shed discussion [1] but I would like to add that
+</I>&gt;<i> when choosing a theme color, take into account psychological research
+</I>&gt;<i> that says something about the effect of colors on performance [2].
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson</A>'s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson%27s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_Parkinson%27s_Bicycle_Shed_Effect</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [2]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2007/11/does_the_color_red_really_impa.php">http://scienceblogs.com/cognitivedaily/2007/11/does_the_color_red_really_impa.php</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+True.
+Interesting studies. I am abnormal. I like red, I like to have a red living
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+&gt;<i> Worst is there are started again and again the same topics in different
+</I>&gt;<i> threads.
+</I>And you can't really ignore them because you never know, when somebody will
+drift off topic and you will miss something important.
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+Please people, keep a bit more discipline here, so it will be easier for all
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+<PRE> Returning on the OS's default theming and colors, I think there are
+only a few things to change.
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+Back when Mandrake was created in 1998, the chosen color was blue to
+reflect the sky. The sky not only shows up stars during the night, far
+from cities and inhabited places, but also has various colorations of
+blue that we can use.
+
+I insist on the fact that Mageia needs to save and show in a very
+visible way it's identity as it should have always been : a good,
+reliable and easy alternative to the Windows and Mac OS operating
+systems. I therefore think :
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+- We keep &quot;Blue&quot; as the default &quot;flagship&quot; color for the official
+artwork and design, with the possibility of using several nuances of blue.
+- The reference to the sky can give inspiration to the designers who may
+want to place from magic and beauty in their artwork.
+- We definitely need a refreshing theme for Ia Ora. That's not high
+priority though as we need that the system works well before that. A
+theme for both GTK and QT is also not easy to do so we need to take the
+time to carefully design a new fresh one, with the same fine and
+professional touch a lot of people do notice and appreciate. Currently,
+I'd say &quot;That'll do&quot; for Ia Ora in the meantime. The most important
+thing is to get the OS working really well. Artwork has to come second,
+especially if there is a lot of work to be done behind.
+- For GTK based environments and applications, I suggest that Mageia use
+the Gnome-Brave icon set by default. It's blue color and its very neat
+finishing makes it a modern icon theme, compliant with the light angle
+usually used on Gnome and other environments. Oxygen does not fit good
+on GTK at all.
+- Oxygen theme is just fine for KDE and QT, it complies wonderfully to
+the artwork color and reference. If people have a real problem with the
+trash can, considering the more important work that needs to be done on
+Mageia in overall, please talk and convince the artists that made the
+Oxygen theme to improve it. But there is much more important things to
+do than to improve a trashcan icon, especially when very subjective
+observations are made.
+
+People might think we're close to Fedora's artwork and design : well,
+Mandrake's color theme and the reference to the sky is dated from before
+the Fedora era and we have the right to keep it.
+
+I see no valid reason to change the artwork fundamentals as it is part
+of the identity and as Mageia continues with the exact same aim as
+Mandrake and Mandriva. However, I do think that Mandriva could have done
+much better on the eye candy side (here, I also speak about the
+Drakxtools's GUI who do sometimes miss a neat organization and
+appearance) and I think that Mageia will have to be eye candy to seduce
+and make people feel at home, even with the default settings.
+
+So basically, I think it's better to keep the essentials and consolidate
+the artwork by improving what needs to be improved, no useless changes.
+Mandriva Linux was already often seen as a pretty system after all. :-)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> It took something like 6 months to produce the page you gave. And Fedora people have
+</I>&gt;<i> also worked on this since a long time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Our project as announced less than a week ago, and there is lots of work
+</I>&gt;<i> to do to get basic infrastructure, answer mails and so on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So could people please start to consider that we are only human living
+</I>&gt;<i> in a world with 24h a day, and therefor, that everything cannot be yet written,
+</I>&gt;<i> and that we should rush important document like this ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think the biggest problem here is that for most of the people, both on
+the ML and GMane, the core group individuals are still a mystery. There
+is no note on any of the pages identifying the initial organisers of the
+Mageia project.
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+If this were published and public on the mageia.org page, then there
+would probably be fewer questions. In fact, I think the core group is
+making it more frustrating to themselves by not communicating clearly
+who is behind the organising &quot;right at this moment&quot;. This would leave to
+such comments as you have said and heard from other individuals &quot;So
+could people please ....&quot; be patient.
+
+The communication to the community should be clearer from the core
+group. This is a necessity.
+
+There should also be a regular representative who reports back to the
+community. I think Anne is well known and respected and would be the
+most logical choice for this. AND someone to replace Anne when she is
+not able to do this after her working day. You need 24hrs a day
+representation on the ML and GMane. I did notice that once the Europeans
+are off and (obviously) at sleep, North Americans are on. You need to
+find a way to service your community 24hrs/day.
+
+Better communication with the community will quiet down a lot of the
+noise on the lists. BTW ... when the lists are noisy then you know you
+are alive. A quiet list is always a dreadful sign of things to come.
+Having a noisy list like the Mageia list should not be something that
+annoys people. It makes for a vibrant community.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B>
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+<PRE>On Friday 24 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andresalaun at aliceadsl.fr</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Mageia is not an association &quot;d'utilit&#233; publique&quot; so the thread is closed,
+</I>&gt;<i> is'nt it ?
+</I>
+No, because the &quot;r&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts&quot; also applies to &quot;associations d'int&#233;r&#232;t
+g&#233;n&#233;ral&quot;, which Mageia might well be.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Security is a superstition: it does not exist in nature.
+ Avoiding danger is no safer in the long run than outright exposure.
+ -- Helen Keller
+
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+ <B>Lawrence A Fossi</B>
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+<PRE>Also it's only available as a 32 bit os.
+----- Original Message -----
+From: &quot;Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt;
+To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:54:19 AM
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+
+On Friday 24 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from Sinner from the Prairy &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS is a one-man show (Texstar), a single-language distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> (English), and I believe it was KDE-only (not sure 100%, it's been a
+</I>&gt;<i> while since I've used PCLinuxOS).
+</I>
+Thanks for the info, did not know that.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that
+ the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore,
+ if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason.
+ By all means, do not use a hammer.
+ -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
+
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+ <B>Marc Par&#233;</B>
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-24 10:14, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The poll is over and a choice has been made.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 319 people participated to the poll
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Other choices: less than 30 voices
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Elixir: 30 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Agora, Edge: 31 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Wok: 32 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Alchemy: 35 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Genesis: 36 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Foundry: 37 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron: 110 voices
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The community clearly choose &quot;Cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope we'll be able soon to push new packages into the cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+Thanks for doing this Olivier. Can't wait to see what is in the
+Cauldron. &quot;Toil, toil, boil and bubble ...&quot;
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> I guess then that no one anymore use samba in any product then.
+</I>The ones that have lawyers don't. The GPL3 is why VXWorks now use a
+different (and inferior) compiler and CIFS implementation and Redhat
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+<PRE>There should be a recurring reminder of the mailist and Gmane list
+rules. There are many who are new to mailists and have never had the
+experience in group mailist etiquette. Some people find it
+annoying/frustrating when people top-post, quote whole passages etc. But
+we should be happy that there is so much participation. It just means
+that we need to every now and then send out a gentle reminder of the
+rules. I think that the &quot;Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder&quot; should be
+posted every now and then by the Mageia ML maintainer just to add a
+little formality to the message.
+
+Mailist etiquette:
+
+- English language only please on the mailist
+- no top posting please
+- when answering, please quote the relevant sentences that is being replied
+- please do not break the threads. Do a proper &quot;Reply&quot; from your email
+agent and your email will be &quot;nested&quot; with the right discussion thread.
+- please do not hijack threads by &quot;Replying&quot; and then changing the
+&quot;Subject&quot; line of the mail
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+The exchange of ideas makes us all grow. Mageia, the magic continues.
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+Marc
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The communication to the community should be clearer from the core group.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is a necessity.
+</I>
+Well, it's not even a week now since the start. The founding group is
+putting together the board, it is working on the charta and statutes,
+it is working on the legal putting together of the organisation. That
+is their task at the moment.
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+Anne gave as much information as necessary to inform everybody about
+the main causes and directions and she informed about the current work
+the founding group is working on. She also informed about the
+different sections, the planned structure as far as it is planned by
+now. Others are also giving informations and are communicating.
+
+If the members of this founding group would be listed somewhere
+everybody would send mails to them, no matter how many mailing lists
+there are or how many men-in-the-middle, because everybody would think
+his question/remark is wo important to be brought to the top people
+driectly.
+
+Result: they would either have to stop their work on the important
+points and spend their time answering mails. Or they would have to
+ignore the mails and carry on with their work. Both is not good.
+
+The chaotic situation we have here in some areas was to be expected.
+You can not expect a common discipline in an open environment like
+this in a situation where the basic rules of discipline and structure
+are just in the making.
+
+There's nothing you can do now except let the storm go on until these
+structures ar ein place and working, which is coming soon, also
+communicated by Anne just one day ago.
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+&gt;<i> -------Original Message-------
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 122
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Sep 23 '10 17:12
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Send Mageia-discuss mailing list submissions to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-request at mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> You can reach the person managing the list at
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
+</I>&gt;<i> than &quot;Re: Contents of Mageia-discuss digest...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today's Topics:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&#160; 1. Re: Chinese translation for Mageia's page (Funda Wang)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&#160; 2. Re: Mandriva-se.org (Ahmad Samir)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&#160; 3. Re: Artwork - Mageia Logo contest (Dubeau, Patrick)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&#160; 4. Re: GUI tools (Ahmad Samir)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&#160; 5. Re: Artwork - Mageia Logo contest (R James)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&#160; 6. Re: GUI tools (Olivier Blin)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&#160; 7. Re: Artwork - Mageia Logo contest (Michael Scherer)
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&#160; 8. Re: New name for cooker (Maurice Batey)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 1
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:14:11 +0800
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Funda Wang &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">AANLkTimLFW7TfZm31gCjhA85+QoOcEfDOp96tC+4zpKy at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010?9?23? ??11:06?Kira &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>&gt; ???
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ? Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net</A>&gt;??:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there's really no words
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think using the word
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; branch in Chinese: &quot;??&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.
+</I>&gt;<i> Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won't fit the meaning of fork.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, fork is a word we Chinese people rarely use, especially in IT
+</I>&gt;<i> field. For instance, China Mobile forked Android OS, and named it
+</I>&gt;<i> OPhone, but it said OPhone was developed by itself :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 2
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:43:14 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>, Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mandriva-se.org
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;AANLkTimYbXABScmyfFABrZvxRgdjE=NuY2gsv=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">+_EORR at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 19 September 2010 19:14, David V. Wallin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm the force behind the Swedish Mandriva Community
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (<A HREF="http://mandriva-se.org">http://mandriva-se.org</A>) which has grown quite fast since we started the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; site 619 days ago. The other day some of the users announced that they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; were moving from Mandriva to Linux Mint since the future of Mandriva is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so uncertain. A day or two later someone announced that they found
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia and that they were hoping to continue using Mandriva but in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; form of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because of this i've published a poll about weither to migrate
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva-se.org to Mageia-se.org or to just start Mageia-se.org as a new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; website meant to act as the Swedish community-site for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No matter which alternative the users pick there will be a Mageia-se.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so that Swedish users can discuss Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I therefor ask to be put on the list on your website so that the users
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of Mandriva-se.org can see that i'm serious in supporting this new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva fork and that they can feel comfortable in switching from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva to Mageia when it gets ready for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ---
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; David V. Wallin
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; +46 (0)8 41 00 39 82
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ---
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Vi f?rs?ker st?ndigt f?rb?ttra oss och ber er d?rf?r om 1 minut f?r att
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; l?mna ditt omd?mme:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Excellent news!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please add your name and <A HREF="http://mandriva-se.org">http://mandriva-se.org</A> to this list:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=forums</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 3
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:33:58 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;Dubeau, Patrick&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: &quot;Mageia general discussions&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">A31E65CCB1B23F49A8B97A3A0947018D02794B7C at EXCHANGE2003.ccq.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;UTF-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> De?: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy??: 23 septembre 2010 08:13
+</I>&gt;<i> ?: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet?: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This
+</I>&gt;<i> is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any
+</I>&gt;<i> product.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some
+</I>&gt;<i> logos, based on Mageia's meaning, but a bit derived:
+</I>&gt;<i> - a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - cat's eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon's horn)
+</I>&gt;<i> - an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe's stories the orb is a link, like
+</I>&gt;<i> a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> -------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Forget black cat
+</I>&gt;<i> - I'm not sure an Owl is a good idea
+</I>&gt;<i> - No magic wand for God's sake
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 4
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:24:58 +0300
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">AANLkTikiW63u3Fmk93sbpf-RBGTCkoU6+_78ns7L4xBp at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 20 September 2010 01:14, Martial Saunois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">martial.saunois at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 18:00:42, Maarten Vanraes a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i agree, they work, are great, and people know these to be good, we need a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; MCC with everything on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; some of those are a bit dated, and we could clean up some of the code, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i want to keep those.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The integration of the current MCC with the desktop environment is not very
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; good.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would like to use Qt tools for my Kde, and Gtk tools for my Gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That might double maintainer(s) workload maintaining two different GUI
+</I>&gt;<i> frontends....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 5
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:25:11 -0500
+</I>&gt;<i> From: R James &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">upsnag2 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID:
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;AANLkTi=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">0vpgF4Ookn4yFsQW6dBgPTZj2NGwc08MYPpd9 at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; De?: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Envoy??: 23 septembre 2010 08:13
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ??: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Objet?: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed. This
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life of any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; product.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; logos, based on Mageia's meaning, but a bit derived:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - cat's eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon's horn)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe's stories the orb is a link, like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Be careful. I think the logo should not be related to Halloween things.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Forget black cat
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - I'm not sure an Owl is a good idea
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - No magic wand for God's sake
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And definitely forget about black stars instead of eyes' pupils:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639">http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/639</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That image still give me nightmares. ;o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 6
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:43:32 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">m3r5gkxvez.fsf at euphor.blino.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 20 September 2010 01:14, Martial Saunois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">martial.saunois at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le dimanche 19 septembre 2010 18:00:42, Maarten Vanraes a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; i agree, they work, are great, and people know these to be good, we need a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; MCC with everything on it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; some of those are a bit dated, and we could clean up some of the code, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; i want to keep those.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The integration of the current MCC with the desktop environment is not very
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; good.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I would like to use Qt tools for my Kde, and Gtk tools for my Gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That might double maintainer(s) workload maintaining two different GUI
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; frontends....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They don't have to be different, a lot of drakxtools use the &quot;interactive&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> module to build their interface, which can support curses, Gtk, or text
+</I>&gt;<i> output.
+</I>&gt;<i> A Qt backend for &quot;interactive&quot; would be doable, and it does not mean
+</I>&gt;<i> having a double maintainance effort.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 7
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:03:39 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">1285261419.14073.797.camel at akroma.ephaone.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;UTF-8&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le jeudi 23 septembre 2010 ? 14:19 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a ?crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Decisions need to be made with regard to pallett and style.&#160;&#160;Graphic artists
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and Marketing will need a style manual first before there is a decision
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about the logo.&#160;&#160;To do that there needs to be an identifying of target market
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because different pallets appeal to different demographics and engender
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different reactions.&#160;&#160;We need to identify the sort of emotions we want to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; engender in that target market.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, I would do quite the contrary. In order to test the process and
+</I>&gt;<i> organize the community, I would first do a test-run of the process and
+</I>&gt;<i> try to work on it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Later, once we are sure that the process is working, etc, etc, then we
+</I>&gt;<i> can rethink on the real logo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ie, like we do prototyping for software, we should prototype the
+</I>&gt;<i> process.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Message: 8
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:12:12 +0100
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pan.2010.09.23.17.12.12.145294 at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:37:10 +0200, Farfouille wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cauldron is perfect !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;&#160;Genesis is even more perfect!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> /\/\aurice
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Well, it's not even a week now since the start. The founding group is
+</I>&gt;<i> putting together the board, it is working on the charta and statutes,
+</I>&gt;<i> it is working on the legal putting together of the organisation. That
+</I>&gt;<i> is their task at the moment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne gave as much information as necessary to inform everybody about
+</I>&gt;<i> the main causes and directions and she informed about the current work
+</I>&gt;<i> the founding group is working on. She also informed about the
+</I>&gt;<i> different sections, the planned structure as far as it is planned by
+</I>&gt;<i> now. Others are also giving informations and are communicating.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the members of this founding group would be listed somewhere
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody would send mails to them, no matter how many mailing lists
+</I>&gt;<i> there are or how many men-in-the-middle, because everybody would think
+</I>&gt;<i> his question/remark is wo important to be brought to the top people
+</I>&gt;<i> driectly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Result: they would either have to stop their work on the important
+</I>&gt;<i> points and spend their time answering mails. Or they would have to
+</I>&gt;<i> ignore the mails and carry on with their work. Both is not good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The chaotic situation we have here in some areas was to be expected.
+</I>&gt;<i> You can not expect a common discipline in an open environment like
+</I>&gt;<i> this in a situation where the basic rules of discipline and structure
+</I>&gt;<i> are just in the making.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There's nothing you can do now except let the storm go on until these
+</I>&gt;<i> structures ar ein place and working, which is coming soon, also
+</I>&gt;<i> communicated by Anne just one day ago.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo
+</I>
+Thanks for the answer. Then answers and replies from both sides
+community and core group should show a little more patience and
+constrant. It is just as frustrating to be told &quot;As said several times
+during these discussions: Yes they are.&quot; Some of the people are new to
+the list and have not seen your message. There are also, as usual, a
+group of mailist lurkers who read and do not respond to the mailist
+threads.
+
+As an example many of us are still unclear as to if you are part of the
+core group as you seem to have the inside knowledge of the goings on.
+
+There is the problem. There is nothing wrong with establishing a clearer
+information protocol. Letting people know who the core organisers are is
+less harmful than letting people wonder who is running the organizing.
+Communication will never kill the project. Lack of communication ...
+well ... we all remember Mandriva.
+
+Being mailed directly is par for the course. Less impact if there was a
+regular official Mageia rep. on the list to update the community that it
+is trying to foster.
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+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-24 08:42, Dubeau, Patrick a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> -----Message d'origine-----
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> De : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:mageia-discuss-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Envoy&#233; : 23 septembre 2010 18:42
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#192; : <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because what is important is a logo, not a slogan, even if it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;gratis&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sure. But not everybody has skills to design an outstanding logo and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everyone wants to participate in the project. As there is nothing else
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be creative about yet, why not to spend a few moments on a slogan
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> brainstorming?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This thread is not about a slogan, it is about a logo. It is not because you
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have any skills to design a logo that you have to find a slogan...!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to participate, do it in the area where you have skills and where
+</I>&gt;<i> you can really help. There's plenty of job to do, so check the wiki, the ML
+</I>&gt;<i> threads.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pat
+</I>
+Thanks Pat. Then someone should then start a thread as &quot;Slogan&quot;. If we
+are to be a community, then if some discussion is started, as in this
+case, about a &quot;slogan&quot; then there is nothing wrong with this. We are
+trying to raise a Mageia community. There seems to be enough interest in
+this judging by the number of respondants. To some people, this is the
+type of contribution they would like to have. BTW ... many IRC groups
+have all slogans attached to their channels: &quot;Mageia, the magic
+continues&quot;, &quot;Magiea, la magie revient&quot; ...
+
+Someone could then start a dedicated thread to this and have fun with it
+INMO.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This given, why go to the bother of another fork, and not join en masse the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PCLinux crowd ? Are there deep theological differences between them and what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we are trying to do ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Ron,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS is a one-man show (Texstar), a single-language distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> (English), and I believe it was KDE-only (not sure 100%, it's been a
+</I>&gt;<i> while since I've used PCLinuxOS).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I believe one of the strengths of Mageia is community-driven,
+</I>&gt;<i> multi-language, and multi-desktop.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>
+Not to mention, that the largest complaint is the there is no 64bit
+version of PCLinoxOS.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 01:02:55PM -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> There should be a recurring reminder of the mailist and Gmane list
+</I>&gt;<i> rules. There are many who are new to mailists and have never had the
+</I>&gt;<i> experience in group mailist etiquette. Some people find it
+</I>&gt;<i> annoying/frustrating when people top-post, quote whole passages etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> But we should be happy that there is so much participation. It just
+</I>&gt;<i> means that we need to every now and then send out a gentle reminder
+</I>&gt;<i> of the rules. I think that the &quot;Mailist etiquette -- gentle
+</I>&gt;<i> reminder&quot; should be posted every now and then by the Mageia ML
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer just to add a little formality to the message.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mailist etiquette:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - English language only please on the mailist
+</I>&gt;<i> - no top posting please
+</I>&gt;<i> - when answering, please quote the relevant sentences that is being replied
+</I>&gt;<i> - please do not break the threads. Do a proper &quot;Reply&quot; from your
+</I>&gt;<i> email agent and your email will be &quot;nested&quot; with the right
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion thread.
+</I>&gt;<i> - please do not hijack threads by &quot;Replying&quot; and then changing the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Subject&quot; line of the mail
+</I>
+I think it would help if these etiquette rules would be part of the
+confirmation message people receive when signing up to these lists. I know
+everyone is mega-utterly busy, but a few minutes here might save a lot of
+time and annoyance over and over :-)
+
+Kind regards,
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+</I>&gt;<i> I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.
+</I>&gt;<i> Would appreciate your input.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.
+</I>She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.
+I will transmit it.
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+<PRE>Le 24/09/2010 19:47, Frederic Janssens a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+</I>&gt;<i> I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.
+</I>&gt;<i> Would appreciate your input.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.
+</I>&gt;<i> She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i> I will transmit it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Cool news.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would help if these etiquette rules would be part of the
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+</I>&gt;<i> everyone is mega-utterly busy, but a few minutes here might save a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> time and annoyance over and over :-)
+</I>
+Sorry, but reality shows that nobody reads such confirmation messages
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+</I>&gt;<i> As an example many of us are still unclear as to if you are part of the core
+</I>&gt;<i> group as you seem to have the inside knowledge of the goings on.
+</I>
+Ok, to clear this up:
+I am not a member of the core group who made the decisions and started
+the project.
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+I was involved in some discussions long before all this started, even
+years before when we discussed a foundation plan. And I was also
+involved in discussions a couple of weeks before this started and
+during the starting process, but not as decision maker, only as
+someone who was asked his opinion about what was planned.
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+The core group did this &quot;opinion gathering&quot; with several people as
+written in the initial announcement:
+&quot;It was not an impulsive decision. We all spoke a lot before: former
+employees, Cooker contributors and users' communities. We collected
+opinions and reactions in the past weeks as we needed to get some kind
+of global agreement and to gather, before going ahead.&quot;
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+I was one of those as a long time supporter and community monkey.
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:50:27PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Remco Rijnders &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think it would help if these etiquette rules would be part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; confirmation message people receive when signing up to these lists. I know
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everyone is mega-utterly busy, but a few minutes here might save a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; time and annoyance over and over :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, but reality shows that nobody reads such confirmation messages
+</I>&gt;<i> except for the part where a password is given or other such
+</I>&gt;<i> information. Did you read the whole confirmation message from mailman
+</I>&gt;<i> for this list? I did not.
+</I>
+I would have if I had not recognised it was nothing but the default
+mailman message.
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+Or perhaps a pointer to a page with etiquette information instead of the
+obvious that gets appened to every post on this list now.
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+It may not help for all cases (if indeed as you claim nobody reads these),
+but surely it can't hurt?
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+<PRE>Le Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:39:55 -0400
+&quot;Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+
+&gt;<i> On Friday 24 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andresalaun at aliceadsl.fr</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia is not an association &quot;d'utilit&#233; publique&quot; so the thread is closed,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is'nt it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, because the &quot;r&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts&quot; also applies to &quot;associations d'int&#233;r&#232;t
+</I>&gt;<i> g&#233;n&#233;ral&quot;, which Mageia might well be.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>
+No sir,
+association &quot;d'int&#233;r&#234;t g&#233;n&#233;ral &quot; doesn't exist.
+association are &quot;d'int&#233;r&#234;t public' (-75%) or &#339;uvre or organisme &quot;d'int&#233;r&#234;t g&#233;n&#233;ral&quot; (66%)
+It is not the same.
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+But I think it is not the good place to discuss about this.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The poll is over and a choice has been made.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 319 people participated to the poll
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Other choices: less than 30 voices
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Elixir: 30 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Agora, Edge: 31 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Wok: 32 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Alchemy: 35 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Genesis: 36 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Foundry: 37 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> Cauldron: 110 voices
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The community clearly choose &quot;Cauldron&quot;.
+</I>The community clearly choose to follow your proposal :-)
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+</I>&gt;<i> I hope we'll be able soon to push new packages into the cauldron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>yvan munoz</B>
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+<PRE>Hello
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+Aufml serve Mageia to provide legal plateform for donation.
+Mageia website explain how to.
+But on Aufml website there is no text to explain on first page.
+--&gt; this could cause doubts for people not knowing exactly what aufml, maybe
+?
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+So here is a text I would like to propose to the aufml directors to be
+revised, &quot;spirit of what a simple explanation could be on Aufml front page
+website&quot;
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+Sorry, this is a google translation but better than french on english ml :)
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+##########
+
+Hello
+
+Our association is actually still Francophone Association of Users of
+Mandriva Linux.
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+Nevertheless, we, members of the association decision, we are committed to
+the project Mageia. Currently discussions are underway to determine if the
+association itself must be revised law. Pending decisions and actions
+following from it, however, we decided collegially to support the effort of
+the project Mageia.
+
+The association is closer today AUFML MAGEIA project, and this at any time
+without denying the personal choice of each member or judgmental about any
+project or policy.The project will start MAGEIA a colossal task: to ensure
+the birth of a new distribution starting from the fork of Mandriva Linux
+2010.1. The nascent community around Mageia has many needs. Priority is
+given to aujoud'hui the establishment of infrastructure. To ensure its
+complete independence from any commercial, the project needs to collect
+donations, our donations.
+
+To meet this need, the urgent today for the excitement generated by the
+project, we have decided AUFML Association to offer the project MAGEIA our
+legal platform (association law 1901 in France). So we agreed, in accordance
+with the project Mageia, offer everyone the opportunity to use us as a
+temporary platform can reccueillir gifts, and monitoring, both for us and
+for the project and for donors.
+
+We want the transition to apologize for our website, which is not, you can
+see, initially planned for it. But simply to ensure communication between
+our members.
+
+We are all convinced of the importance of an independent project for a
+distribution of the quality of that which was originally developed by people
+from other Edge IT and community. A distribution of quality, well
+integrated, with better hardware support, allowing freedom to the user's
+desktop and its applications, and allowing flexibility for administrators. We
+want this for us, for you.
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+Therefore the association AUFML agrees to provide service to all the
+possibilities to collect and manage the first donations. The association is
+also committed to full transparency in the management, allowing everyone to
+be sure of the actual destination of each donation.
+
+We do not know now if this situation lasted, with modification of our
+association, or if it will be temporary, depending on the existence of legal
+Mageia. But there is no need to wait to participate! You will find all the
+information inherent in the project Mageia and how to participate on the
+project page namesake.
+
+##################
+
+French peolple could find the original, for 24h, here :
+<A HREF="http://pastebin.com/vNkx6mR0">http://pastebin.com/vNkx6mR0</A>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> There should be a recurring reminder of the mailist and Gmane list
+</I>&gt;<i> rules. There are many who are new to mailists and have never had the
+</I>&gt;<i> experience in group mailist etiquette. Some people find it
+</I>&gt;<i> annoying/frustrating when people top-post, quote whole passages etc. But
+</I>&gt;<i> we should be happy that there is so much participation. It just means
+</I>&gt;<i> that we need to every now and then send out a gentle reminder of the
+</I>&gt;<i> rules. I think that the &quot;Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder&quot; should be
+</I>&gt;<i> posted every now and then by the Mageia ML maintainer just to add a
+</I>&gt;<i> little formality to the message.
+</I>Thanks to reminder this etiquette. It was quite difficult to follow a thread
+where people top-posted and others quote all the mail including mailing list
+signature.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-24 14:04, Remco Rijnders a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:50:27PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Remco Rijnders&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think it would help if these etiquette rules would be part of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> confirmation message people receive when signing up to these lists. I know
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everyone is mega-utterly busy, but a few minutes here might save a lot of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time and annoyance over and over :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, but reality shows that nobody reads such confirmation messages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> except for the part where a password is given or other such
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> information. Did you read the whole confirmation message from mailman
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for this list? I did not.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would have if I had not recognised it was nothing but the default
+</I>&gt;<i> mailman message.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or perhaps a pointer to a page with etiquette information instead of the
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious that gets appened to every post on this list now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may not help for all cases (if indeed as you claim nobody reads these),
+</I>&gt;<i> but surely it can't hurt?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>
+I really think it is easier if some people accept the responsibility of
+doing a gentle reminder every now and then to the list. It takes seconds
+to do this. However, it should be sent by someone who has an official
+designation to make impact/clout. This is normally done through the
+email identifier, in this case, &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">____ at mageia.org</A>&quot;. It can be a temporary
+assignation till the organization is more structured. I am surprised
+that the email address assignation has not been addressed. It is such an
+easy thing to set up.
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+Marc
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>I propose this rendition to the slogan &quot;Mageia, the magic continues&quot; to use
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+&#171;Mageia, &#954;&#945;&#953; &#951; &#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945; &#963;&#965;&#957;&#949;&#967;&#943;&#950;&#949;&#964;&#945;&#953;...&#187;
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This given, why go to the bother of another fork, and not join en masse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the PCLinux crowd ? Are there deep theological differences between them
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and what we are trying to do ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Ron,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS is a one-man show (Texstar), a single-language distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> (English), and I believe it was KDE-only (not sure 100%, it's been a
+</I>&gt;<i> while since I've used PCLinuxOS).
+</I>I don't know if mainy languages are supported, but this french news
+<A HREF="http://linuxfr.org/2010/09/23/27410.html,">http://linuxfr.org/2010/09/23/27410.html,</A> the author says that the french
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+&gt;<i> I really think it is easier if some people accept the responsibility of
+</I>&gt;<i> doing a gentle reminder every now and then to the list. It takes seconds
+</I>&gt;<i> to do this. However, it should be sent by someone who has an official
+</I>&gt;<i> designation to make impact/clout. This is normally done through the
+</I>&gt;<i> email identifier, in this case, &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">____ at mageia.org</A>&quot;.
+</I>
+Good point.
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+Extending the etiquette reminder idea:
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+When we have a forum, the login page could show etiquette rules.
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+ <B>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin</B>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, Dimitrios Glentadakis a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I propose this rendition to the slogan &quot;Mageia, the magic continues&quot; to use
+</I>&gt;<i> in greek languge:
+</I>&gt;<i> &#171;Mageia, &#954;&#945;&#953; &#951; &#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945; &#963;&#965;&#957;&#949;&#967;&#943;&#950;&#949;&#964;&#945;&#953;...&#187;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are you agree ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sure !
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+And to fix the problem &quot;this is an english spoken mailing list&quot;, I also propose
+to make this list a greek spoken mailing list :-)
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, yvan munoz a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Aufml serve Mageia to provide legal plateform for donation.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia website explain how to.
+</I>&gt;<i> But on Aufml website there is no text to explain on first page.
+</I>&gt;<i> --&gt; this could cause doubts for people not knowing exactly what aufml,
+</I>&gt;<i> maybe ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So here is a text I would like to propose to the aufml directors to be
+</I>&gt;<i> revised, &quot;spirit of what a simple explanation could be on Aufml front page
+</I>&gt;<i> website&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, this is a google translation but better than french on english ml :)
+</I>Why don't you post this an aufml mailing list ?
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+<PRE>EOS KDE wallpaper has a calm and nice shade of blue. It is not a screaming
+color. Blue is statistically the preferred color in DE (by users). It should
+be the most successful.
+&gt;<i>From the old Oxygen icon set I would like the trashcan_empty as shape, but
+</I>drawn as trashcan_empty_alt (without the cap) in texture, finish and color.
+It is more glamorous and classy. Even trashcan_empty_alt shape is nice, but
+without the cap. - IMHO.
+Please take in consideration.
+Again, I think that design could be made in parallel with the software
+development - it request different skills. Of course, some software
+adjustment is required to implement the theme.
+Could get a mock-up from some professional designer, as Oxygen team is?
+(look at the members portfolios, it worths the time!)
+Ia Ora is a bit too fat for my taste. Glass and aluminum look better than
+plastic.
+Gnome looks always better polished in theme. Maybe KDE could be fashioned
+that way?
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+I hope I was not too annoying :) It is just my taste, my opinion.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Ok, to clear this up:
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not a member of the core group who made the decisions and started
+</I>&gt;<i> the project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was involved in some discussions long before all this started, even
+</I>&gt;<i> years before when we discussed a foundation plan. And I was also
+</I>&gt;<i> involved in discussions a couple of weeks before this started and
+</I>&gt;<i> during the starting process, but not as decision maker, only as
+</I>&gt;<i> someone who was asked his opinion about what was planned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The core group did this &quot;opinion gathering&quot; with several people as
+</I>&gt;<i> written in the initial announcement:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;It was not an impulsive decision. We all spoke a lot before: former
+</I>&gt;<i> employees, Cooker contributors and users' communities. We collected
+</I>&gt;<i> opinions and reactions in the past weeks as we needed to get some kind
+</I>&gt;<i> of global agreement and to gather, before going ahead.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was one of those as a long time supporter and community monkey.
+</I>
+Thanks Wolfgang. Now just imagine, we are now informed of this about
+you. You would however have to re-explain again if someone were to ask
+you about your inside knowledge of things. Again, some of the ML people
+will sign on long after this message has been posted.
+
+Wouldn't it make more sense then to have just a short list of the core
+people listed on the main mageia.org site to inform the community? This
+would make many of these threads a little more sensible. It really does
+not take that long to add the info to the main page.
+
+We all realize that there is a small group organizing the Mageia
+project, and we all understand that it takes time. We all know that the
+core group is frustrated by the more than over-zealous threads. Their
+work and dedication is obviously most appreciated. But for the simple
+matter of posting a few lines on the main page identifying the main core
+group individuals the end result is a lot of disorganized thread noise.
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+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The poll is over and a choice has been made.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 319 people participated to the poll
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Other choices: less than 30 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Elixir: 30 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Agora, Edge: 31 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wok: 32 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Alchemy: 35 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Genesis: 36 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Foundry: 37 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cauldron: 110 voices
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The community clearly choose &quot;Cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> The community clearly choose to follow your proposal :-)
+</I>
+I haven't nobody to choose this entry.
+Why forcing people when you have the hand on poll's data ? :)
+
+Anyway, of course my proposal was the best !
+
+Regards.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+&gt;<i> * J&#233;r&#244;me Martin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at delaur.net</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The poll is over and a choice has been made.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 319 people participated to the poll
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Other choices: less than 30 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Elixir: 30 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Agora, Edge: 31 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wok: 32 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Alchemy: 35 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Genesis: 36 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Foundry: 37 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron: 110 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The community clearly choose &quot;Cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The community clearly choose to follow your proposal :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I haven't nobody to choose this entry.
+</I>&gt;<i> Why forcing people when you have the hand on poll's data ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, of course my proposal was the best !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>
+I think it was great that we got some kind of direction from Olivier
+when he organized the poll. There was a good discussion and well all
+contributed our opinions. Funny thing, that thread is still being
+discussed even when the polls have closed and the name has been published.
+
+Un gros merci again.
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+Hey, Olivier! What's cooking so far at the &quot;Cauldron&quot;?
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+ <B>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hey, Olivier! What's cooking so far at the &quot;Cauldron&quot;?
+</I>As O'l Bill of the Shaky Spear put it in MacBeth:
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+ <B>Dick Gevers</B>
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+<PRE>I note at roughly the same time as yesterday from the balance received by
+our favourite distro divided by the number of donators that there is a
+lower per person donation than yesterday.
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+Please fix this on Saturday!
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+<PRE>As I see, most people never read &quot;the manual&quot;. They don't do it for
+the tv, nor the coffee machine. Mailing list are not the exception.
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+So, you can put the message in the &quot;welcome mail&quot;, or in the web page
+(my self, when I have to verify my e-mail I look for the link without
+read the mail).
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+The truth is that we, as member of the Community, have kind of &quot;moral
+dutty&quot; and must to tell the newcomers &quot;please, don't top-posting,
+please, don't quote the full original message&quot;.
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+Is it fair? I don't think so. But to expect that people read the rules
+and follow them is to a little &quot;naive&quot;. Most people learn the rules
+using the mailing list and forums; and after some &quot;older&quot; user tells
+them &quot;don't&quot;.
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+ <B>Dick Gevers</B>
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+[Mageia-discuss] commercial support:
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+&gt;<i>2010/9/24 herman &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, but that implies that the Mageia license terms must be sufficiently
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> free that 3rd party commercial support can be done legally, using
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>The software is GPL, everybody can open shop and support any
+</I>&gt;<i>distribution which only contains GPL software. The only thing which
+</I>&gt;<i>depends on Mageia or any other distributor is if you want to offer
+</I>&gt;<i>&quot;certified by Mageia&quot; or similar.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For example, one can legally do 3rd party installs and support with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Debian and Scientific, but not with Redhat, Mandriva, Suse or even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> CentOS, due to their license and trademark terms (yes I know lots of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> people do regardless, but they haven't read/understood the license
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> terms!).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Partly wrong. You can always offer commercial support for openSUSE,
+</I>&gt;<i>Mandriva Free Edition and such. Only thing you can't is offering
+</I>&gt;<i>&quot;certified support&quot;. And of course you need an agreement with
+</I>&gt;<i>distributors of commercial distributions to support those.
+</I>
+If the need arises, what problem would there be if any number of Mageia
+volunteers set up a commercial &quot;Mageia Service SA&quot; with a license from the
+Mageia non-profit association to provide such commercial support? They
+could make a contract that the profits from the SA would go to the
+association and/or the shareholders and/or the employed volunteers at
+certain agreed percentages of the earnings.
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+Ciao,
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+&gt;<i>Is it fair? I don't think so. But to expect that people read the rules
+</I>&gt;<i>and follow them is to a little &quot;naive&quot;. Most people learn the rules
+</I>&gt;<i>using the mailing list and forums; and after some &quot;older&quot; user tells
+</I>&gt;<i>them &quot;don't&quot;.
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+I merely meant (and should prob. have said so) that the admin/whoever
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:31 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I like blueish themes.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not the question of liking, it is a question of identity.
+</I>
+Thank you thank you Wobo could everybody please print this most profound and
+excellent sentence in a large font and have it burned on their desktop.
+
+Geeks like blue, it's just factor of the personality profile of the 25 to 45
+demographic who are drawn to this business
+
+We need points of difference, we need to make our points of difference obvious
+up to an including our face to the world.
+
+Vive la difference!
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:12:58 -0300, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it fair? I don't think so. But to expect that people read the rules
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and follow them is to a little &quot;naive&quot;. Most people learn the rules
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> using the mailing list and forums; and after some &quot;older&quot; user tells
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> them &quot;don't&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I merely meant (and should prob. have said so) that the admin/whoever
+</I>&gt;<i> could ask the &quot;offenders&quot; to have a look at the Netiquette page ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> =Dick Gevers=
+</I>
+I think all is needed is a gentler reminder. The rationale being that
+you do want to foster discussion (this is what mailists are all about)
+and try to not offend people. We all come from different nationalities
+and cultures.
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+I can't imagine that there would not be a type of guideline page on the
+Mageia website regarding the etiquette expected on the Mageia mailists.
+But even if the etiquette is broken by a user, that user should be
+gently reminded to follow it with common sense arguments. Most people
+will listen.
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+It just needs to be a simple reminder. Let's keep it simple.
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+&gt;<i> Le 24/09/2010 19:47, Frederic Janssens a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Would appreciate your input.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I will transmit it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool news.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to you three :)
+</I>
+If there's a problem, i can always have a look, to make sure it's not &quot;too
+dutch&quot; and still suitable for nl_BE.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 18:20:16, Mihai Dobrescu a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> True.
+</I>&gt;<i> Interesting studies. I am abnormal. I like red, I like to have a red living
+</I>&gt;<i> combined with black. I feel cosy there.
+</I>
+ Me too especially black red , &quot;Bordeaux&quot; in french , yes like the
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+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 24 september 2010 19:50:37 schreef Ma&#226;t:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le 24/09/2010 19:47, Frederic Janssens a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Would appreciate your input.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I will transmit it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cool news.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks to you three :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If there's a problem, i can always have a look, to make sure it's not &quot;too
+</I>&gt;<i> dutch&quot; and still suitable for nl_BE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The native speaker, and myself, are in fact belgians.
+But double checking is always good.
+
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>24 Eyl&#252;l 2010 13:46 tarihinde atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; yazd&#305;:
+&gt;<i> Turkish translation of Donations page attached.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 20:00, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Cannot get enough of translating.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; The end-result now for the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Should have checked before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks a lont for your work
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> your translation is online...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a last check would be welcome
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Checked the site and found some minor issues.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have seen that Turkish donations page is still in english. Is there
+a problem my attached translation?
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 10:58:03 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-discuss] commercial support:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;2010/9/24 herman &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, but that implies that the Mageia license terms must be sufficiently
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; free that 3rd party commercial support can be done legally, using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;The software is GPL, everybody can open shop and support any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;distribution which only contains GPL software. The only thing which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;depends on Mageia or any other distributor is if you want to offer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&quot;certified by Mageia&quot; or similar.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For example, one can legally do 3rd party installs and support with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Debian and Scientific, but not with Redhat, Mandriva, Suse or even
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; CentOS, due to their license and trademark terms (yes I know lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; people do regardless, but they haven't read/understood the license
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; terms!).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Partly wrong. You can always offer commercial support for openSUSE,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Mandriva Free Edition and such. Only thing you can't is offering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&quot;certified support&quot;. And of course you need an agreement with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;distributors of commercial distributions to support those.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If the need arises, what problem would there be if any number of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> volunteers set up a commercial &quot;Mageia Service SA&quot; with a license from the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia non-profit association to provide such commercial support? They
+</I>&gt;<i> could make a contract that the profits from the SA would go to the
+</I>&gt;<i> association and/or the shareholders and/or the employed volunteers at
+</I>&gt;<i> certain agreed percentages of the earnings.
+</I>
+Personally, i don't think this 'll be a problem if they wanted to be; however:
+
+look at all the other commercial distro's:
+- Novell is in trouble
+- we don't need to speak about Mandriva
+- RedHat barely makes any earnings, even though they are the biggest
+
+a non-profit organisation makes sense to me.
+
+my whole point of this was to have a page with a list of people who had a
+company or are freelancers in their dayjob and are willing to support Mageia
+(non-certified), but are also contributors; so to instill confidence in Mageia
+from a company point of view (small company). i believe debian does this, and
+mentions that this is not related to debian itself at all, or something
+similar.
+
+The sole purpose of that is if you want small companies to use your distro and
+possibly donate if they feel like it. i'm not saying companies use this to
+make money, they could just use it on their computer, or laptop or whatever.
+companies or people who see free stuff, are thinking, but what if there's a
+problem, who can i pay to fix those problems? of course they can ask for free,
+but they know that they don't need to expect something if they ask for free.
+
+if Mageia want's to start a company based on it, that's another thing; but for
+now, let's just focus on the non-profit org.
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> 2) for many elements as logo, colors, names etc, there will be a poll (we
+</I>&gt;<i> have already the cooker's name poll), i think that some times the polls are
+</I>&gt;<i> not able to guide the distribution to its goal, and the decisions must be
+</I>&gt;<i> taken from the board team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My 2 cents
+</I>
+I completely agree, communities are great, but i think these stuff should be
+advisable only, and we should get board members who can decide on these
+things, because they are knowledgable in their own area.
+
+I don't think the community should be disregarded by the board, but sometimes
+the board should decide differently by the community because the community
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+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;The software is GPL, everybody can open shop and support any
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Partly wrong. You can always offer commercial support for openSUSE,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Mandriva Free Edition and such.
+</I>
+I don't want to be unkind, but you don't understand, since you clearly
+have not actually *READ* the Terms and Conditions of Redhat, Novel,
+CentOS or Mandriva!
+
+Here is the problem, which lawyers are concerned about and which many
+geeks prefer to ignore:
+&quot;Can I distribute the modifications I performed on Mandriva One and
+Mandriva Free?
+You may not redistribute a modified version of Mandriva products unless
+all registered trademarks, brands, names and logos referring to
+Mandrivasoft are removed. This includes, for instance, the use of the
+word &quot;Mandriva Linux&quot;, &quot;Mandriva&quot;, the Mandriva Linux and Mandrivasoft
+logos. This is required to protect Mandrakesoft's intellectual property
+rights and to avoid creating confusion for our clients. However, if you
+wish to become a Mandrakesoft distributor, we would gladly welcome you
+as a Mandrakesoft Partner and establish a win/win agreement. See our
+Partner Page.&quot;
+
+You will find similar text on every Linux distribution web site, except
+for Debian and Scientific, which is why I keep repeating that
+consultants cannot legally provide 3d party support for most Linux
+distributions. This is a problem which Mageia has to address, by using
+a license similar to that of Debian or Scientific.
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 21:34, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 24 september 2010 19:50:37 schreef Ma&#226;t:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Le 24/09/2010 19:47, Frederic Janssens a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Would appreciate your input.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I will transmit it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Cool news.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Thanks to you three :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If there's a problem, i can always have a look, to make sure it's not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;too dutch&quot; and still suitable for nl_BE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The native speaker, and myself, are in fact belgians.
+</I>&gt;<i> But double checking is always good.
+</I>
+how come you aren't a native speaker then? :-) you're not a walon, are you?:-P
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+</I>&gt;<i> The truth is that we, as member of the Community, have kind of &quot;moral
+</I>&gt;<i> dutty&quot; and must to tell the newcomers &quot;please, don't top-posting,
+</I>&gt;<i> please, don't quote the full original message&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+How else can we sort out the noobs? And crush their spirit? 8)
+
+Actually, if one feels the need to school somebody, at least do it via
+private email if possible. The easiest way is a link to an &quot;official&quot;
+page with a brief summary of expected mail-list protocol, which link
+can be included in the confirmation message or even a click-through
+for confirmation..
+
+Then the list can spend time on the business at hand instead of style
+and grammar issues and the ensuing flame wars.
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+&gt;<i>On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 12:24 -0700, Dick Gevers wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;The software is GPL, everybody can open shop and support any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;distribution
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;Partly wrong. You can always offer commercial support for openSUSE,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;Mandriva Free Edition and such.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I don't want to be unkind, but you don't understand, since you clearly
+</I>&gt;<i>have not actually *READ* the Terms and Conditions of Redhat, Novel,
+</I>&gt;<i>CentOS or Mandriva!
+</I>
+I beg your pardon: you misquote me. Maybe not intended, but the number of
+'&gt;' is wrong behind my name.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Me too especially black red , &quot;Bordeaux&quot; in french , yes like the
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+</I>&gt;<i> Franck
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 franck &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">franckdoucet at orange.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 18:20:16, Mihai Dobrescu a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> True.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Interesting studies. I am abnormal. I like red, I like to have a red living
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> combined with black. I feel cosy there.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; Me too especially black red , &quot;Bordeaux&quot; &#160;in french , yes like the
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;wine... &#160;:)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Franck
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+I also fond of Bordeaux color. But i doubt it' ll be used in mageia theming
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 21:24, Dick Gevers &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dvgevers at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> If the need arises, what problem would there be if any number of Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> volunteers set up a commercial &quot;Mageia Service SA&quot; with a license from the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia non-profit association to provide such commercial support? They
+</I>&gt;<i> could make a contract that the profits from the SA would go to the
+</I>&gt;<i> association and/or the shareholders and/or the employed volunteers at
+</I>&gt;<i> certain agreed percentages of the earnings.
+</I>
+This is something we expect and welcome to happen: companies providing
+commercial support and services from and around the distribution.
+
+We expect this to happen as they would need, to be consistent with
+their own business, to contribute back to the Mageia project: be it
+upstream patches, sponsoring, resources, developers time, any other
+role, etc. (of course, such a contribution would not, in any case,
+alter the governance of the project).
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+Indeed, licensing and guidelines for this to happen smoothly have to
+be thought out properly.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I also fond of Bordeaux color. But i doubt it' ll be used in mageia theming
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
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+ <B>Graham Lauder</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 25 Sep 2010 02:11:07 R James wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; OT: I think there are many threads talking about the logo, and in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; different mailing lists
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yup. Too many people breaking the threads. We just need to keep reminding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (teaching) people not to break it and how to answer thread messages. Such
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is the nature of the mailist beast.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have a question about the logo contest:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I submitted a graphic and granted public viewing rights but it cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> be seen unless I log into Flickr.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Under the Owner Settings there is a message that I cannot edit which says:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Staff have decided this should be hidden from public searches&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Who is this &quot;Staff&quot; and why is my submission is being censored from public
+</I>&gt;<i> view?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Perhaps its just a mistake on my side but I can't see what it is.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> Rick
+</I>
+You have to have five images in your personal album before the images in group
+will appear.
+
+Cheers
+GL
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op vrijdag 24 september 2010 13:20:42 schreef Dimitrios Glentadakis:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) &#160;for many elements as logo, colors, names etc, there will be a poll (we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have already the cooker's name poll), i think that some times the polls are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not able to guide the distribution to its goal, and the decisions must be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> taken from the board team.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My 2 cents
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I completely agree, communities are great, but i think these stuff should be
+</I>&gt;<i> advisable only, and we should get board members who can decide on these
+</I>&gt;<i> things, because they are knowledgable in their own area.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think the community should be disregarded by the board, but sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> the board should decide differently by the community because the community
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't know everything.
+</I>
+Then it should know.
+
+I know this may sound like an innocent wish, but I mean it.
+
+The &quot;board&quot; will have to motivate every decision/move it takes -
+especially if this very decision was to go against most
+recommandations/wishes from the community (he, who knows, it may
+happen).
+
+We expect Mageia, not to disclose, but to publish all information,
+data, metrics about the project, developement, tasks, maybe about
+product usage and about decisions. Or at least, not to keep them
+hidden on purpose.
+
+That will require to identify what useful metrics are and to
+understand them for what they're worth (and not). That will require
+some education on what metrics we can collect (think about privacy and
+right here), how we collect them, how we use and learn from these.
+
+Not that it will be easy or without mistake at first. But that's what
+we expect as well.
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Ma&#226;t</B>
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+&gt;<i> 24 Eyl&#252;l 2010 13:46 tarihinde atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; yazd&#305;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Turkish translation of Donations page attached.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 23/09/2010 20:00, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cannot get enough of translating.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The end-result now for the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Should have checked before.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks a lont for your work
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> your translation is online...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a last check would be welcome
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Checked the site and found some minor issues.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have seen that Turkish donations page is still in english. Is there
+</I>&gt;<i> a problem my attached translation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi atilla,
+
+I'm working on Turkish just now...
+
+My problem is that you are many and quick to translate... and that i'm
+just one :)
+
+Sorry for the delay... just wait a few moments and that will be online
+
+Thanks for your work !
+
+Ma&#226;t
+
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+&gt;<i> I also fond of Bordeaux color. But i doubt it' ll be used in mageia
+</I>I'm also fond of Bordeaux. That's a color, too?
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+&gt;<i> Also Mandriva Turkiye community (which is active since 2008) decided
+</I>&gt;<i> to support both Mandriva and Mageia through our mandrivaturkiye.com
+</I>&gt;<i> and forum.mandrivaturkiye.com sites.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+the greek community too :)
+
+
+Technically, how do you will proceed to this change?
+You will rename anything in your mandriva domain to mageia ? or you will do
+a new domain and restart everything by zero? I ask this because i want to
+avoid to break the site with a mistake. This probably is a question to the
+webmasters/admins
+
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+From: &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:59:55 +0200
+On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 21:24, Dick Gevers &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dvgevers at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;
+wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> If the need arises, what problem would there be if any number of Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> volunteers set up a commercial &quot;Mageia Service SA&quot; with a license from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia non-profit association to provide such commercial support? They
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could make a contract that the profits from the SA would go to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> association and/or the shareholders and/or the employed volunteers at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> certain agreed percentages of the earnings.
+</I>&gt;<i>This is something we expect and welcome to happen: companies
+</I>&gt;<i>providing
+</I>&gt;<i>commercial support and services from and around the distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>We expect this to happen as they would need, to be consistent with
+</I>&gt;<i>their own business, to contribute back to the Mageia project: be it
+</I>&gt;<i>upstream patches, sponsoring, resources, developers time, any other
+</I>&gt;<i>role, etc. (of course, such a contribution would not, in any case,
+</I>&gt;<i>alter the governance of the project).
+</I>&gt;<i>Indeed, licensing and guidelines for this to happen smoothly have to
+</I>&gt;<i>be thought out properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>Romain
+</I>
+For now, I think that a simply page with contact informations about who can
+provide free and commercial support is enough. This page should have a disclaimer
+that Mageia Foundation is not responsible or affiliated with these professionals.
+
+Futer, will can exists a formal company to offer professional support to Mageia
+(we can take advantage of that from guy what posted &quot;Suggestion&quot; message such that
+part from that's company profits be reverted from Mageia Foundation.
+
+We can put artworks under a Creative Commons license, so, everyone will can use it,
+or we can do a Red Hat-like licence and authorizes only certain companies - as the
+above mentioned - to use it, however, there will be a chance to a new fork creation.
+
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 21:46, Maarten Vanraes
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Op vrijdag 24 september 2010 13:20:42 schreef Dimitrios Glentadakis:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2) for many elements as logo, colors, names etc, there will be a poll
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (we have already the cooker's name poll), i think that some times the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; polls are not able to guide the distribution to its goal, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; decisions must be taken from the board team.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; My 2 cents
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I completely agree, communities are great, but i think these stuff should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be advisable only, and we should get board members who can decide on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; these things, because they are knowledgable in their own area.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't think the community should be disregarded by the board, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sometimes the board should decide differently by the community because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the community doesn't know everything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then it should know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know this may sound like an innocent wish, but I mean it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;board&quot; will have to motivate every decision/move it takes -
+</I>&gt;<i> especially if this very decision was to go against most
+</I>&gt;<i> recommandations/wishes from the community (he, who knows, it may
+</I>&gt;<i> happen).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We expect Mageia, not to disclose, but to publish all information,
+</I>&gt;<i> data, metrics about the project, developement, tasks, maybe about
+</I>&gt;<i> product usage and about decisions. Or at least, not to keep them
+</I>&gt;<i> hidden on purpose.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That will require to identify what useful metrics are and to
+</I>&gt;<i> understand them for what they're worth (and not). That will require
+</I>&gt;<i> some education on what metrics we can collect (think about privacy and
+</I>&gt;<i> right here), how we collect them, how we use and learn from these.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not that it will be easy or without mistake at first. But that's what
+</I>&gt;<i> we expect as well.
+</I>
+I agree, if decision go against (or choosing the 2nd choice or something) the
+recommendation; i would expect the board members to explain their choice, tbh,
+i think this is common sense... i didn't even think it was required to do so.
+
+Of course, the rest of the community should also accept that the board has
+more expertise/knowledge on this, and if they explain sufficiently, it should be
+no problem.
+
+Of course, every choice they/we make, we'll never satisfy everyone, just
+remember that sometimes a compromise will be necessary and you should accept
+that (or start a public slander campaign :-D ).
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+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I completely agree, communities are great, but i think these stuff should
+</I>&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; advisable only, and we should get board members who can decide on these
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; things, because they are knowledgable in their own area.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't think the community should be disregarded by the board, but
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the board should decide differently by the community because the
+</I>&gt;<i> community
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; doesn't know everything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then it should know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know this may sound like an innocent wish, but I mean it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;board&quot; will have to motivate every decision/move it takes -
+</I>&gt;<i> especially if this very decision was to go against most
+</I>&gt;<i> recommandations/wishes from the community (he, who knows, it may
+</I>&gt;<i> happen).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We expect Mageia, not to disclose, but to publish all information,
+</I>&gt;<i> data, metrics about the project, developement, tasks, maybe about
+</I>&gt;<i> product usage and about decisions. Or at least, not to keep them
+</I>&gt;<i> hidden on purpose.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That will require to identify what useful metrics are and to
+</I>&gt;<i> understand them for what they're worth (and not). That will require
+</I>&gt;<i> some education on what metrics we can collect (think about privacy and
+</I>&gt;<i> right here), how we collect them, how we use and learn from these.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not that it will be easy or without mistake at first. But that's what
+</I>&gt;<i> we expect as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Great.
+</I>I am interested in new technical means by which heterogeneous (in background
+and knowledge) groups can meaninfully communicate.
+In general, but Mageia seems to me to be in a good position to innovate in
+that direction.
+
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 24 september 2010 22:11:08 schreef Ma&#226;t:
+&gt;<i> Le 24/09/2010 21:41, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 24 Eyl&#252;l 2010 13:46 tarihinde atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; yazd&#305;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Turkish translation of Donations page attached.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 2010/9/24 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Le 23/09/2010 20:00, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cannot get enough of translating.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; The end-result now for the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Excuses so much, but i hate failures in text.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Should have checked before.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks a lont for your work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; your translation is online...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; a last check would be welcome
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Ma&#225;t,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Checked the site and found some minor issues.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Enclosed is a final version of the Dutch translation.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have seen that Turkish donations page is still in english. Is there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a problem my attached translation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi atilla,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm working on Turkish just now...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My problem is that you are many and quick to translate... and that i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> just one :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for the delay... just wait a few moments and that will be online
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for your work !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+I don't mean to be insulting, but would it be possible for you to delegate
+some work to someone in the web team or something?
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-24 16:25, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> --- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:59:55 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 21:24, Dick Gevers&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dvgevers at xs4all.nl</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If the need arises, what problem would there be if any number of Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> volunteers set up a commercial &quot;Mageia Service SA&quot; with a license from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia non-profit association to provide such commercial support? They
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> could make a contract that the profits from the SA would go to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> association and/or the shareholders and/or the employed volunteers at
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> certain agreed percentages of the earnings.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is something we expect and welcome to happen: companies
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> providing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> commercial support and services from and around the distribution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We expect this to happen as they would need, to be consistent with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their own business, to contribute back to the Mageia project: be it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> upstream patches, sponsoring, resources, developers time, any other
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> role, etc. (of course, such a contribution would not, in any case,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alter the governance of the project).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed, licensing and guidelines for this to happen smoothly have to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be thought out properly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For now, I think that a simply page with contact informations about who can
+</I>&gt;<i> provide free and commercial support is enough. This page should have a disclaimer
+</I>&gt;<i> that Mageia Foundation is not responsible or affiliated with these professionals.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Futer, will can exists a formal company to offer professional support to Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> (we can take advantage of that from guy what posted &quot;Suggestion&quot; message such that
+</I>&gt;<i> part from that's company profits be reverted from Mageia Foundation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can put artworks under a Creative Commons license, so, everyone will can use it,
+</I>&gt;<i> or we can do a Red Hat-like licence and authorizes only certain companies - as the
+</I>&gt;<i> above mentioned - to use it, however, there will be a chance to a new fork creation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _____________________________________________________________
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+</I>
+Thanks Andr&#233; for your input. But, your post has now broken the thread.
+Could you just do a &quot;Respond&quot; or &quot;Answer&quot; from your mail agent next
+time. That way your input will not be lost. We no longer have a trail of
+posting that happened before your answer.
+
+Marc
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+when asked &quot;Aimez vous le Bourgogne ? (Do you like Burgundy)
+replies &quot;Je pr&#233;f&#232;re le vin&quot; (I prefer wine)
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+--- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A> escreveu:
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+From: Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:23:00 +0200
+
+On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:58 PM, atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I also fond of Bordeaux color. But i doubt it' ll be used in mageia Im also fond of Bordeaux. That's a color, too?
+</I>
+&gt;<i>Sorry...
+</I>
+&gt;<i>Oliver
+</I>
+The psychology explains many sensations related to color. For example, the colors yellow, red and white awaken hunger in their viewers; So many restaurants use combinations of these colors in their decorations, the taskbar in KDE / Windows is at the bottom of the screen because we pay more attention to what which is at the bottom of our vision.
+
+I think it would be a good idea to ask some tips from a psychologist, can be a great advantage of marketing to our advantage, because many community distros simply ignore this factors because they do not know it.
+
+Reguards.
+
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 14:20, isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Think you are quite right about the comma's,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am somewhat a comma-freak, i guess.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would appreciate your input.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.
+</I>&gt;<i> She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i> I will transmit it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Frederic
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Frederic, i am looking forward.
+And will use all suggestions to make a better translation.
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+&gt;<i> Le 24/09/2010 21:41, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have seen that Turkish donations page is still in english. Is there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a problem my attached translation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi atilla,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm working on Turkish just now...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My problem is that you are many and quick to translate... and that i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> just one :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for the delay... just wait a few moments and that will be online
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for your work !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Turkish page ins on line, please check if everything is okay.
+
+Ma&#226;t
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+J&#233;r&#244;me Martin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at delaur.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There should be a recurring reminder of the mailist and Gmane
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; list rules. There are many who are new to mailists and have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; never had the experience in group mailist etiquette. Some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people find it annoying/frustrating when people top-post, quote
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whole passages etc. But we should be happy that there is so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; much participation. It just means that we need to every now and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; then send out a gentle reminder of the rules. I think that the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder&quot; should be posted every
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now and then by the Mageia ML maintainer just to add a little
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; formality to the message.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to reminder this etiquette. It was quite difficult to
+</I>&gt;<i> follow a thread where people top-posted and others quote all the
+</I>&gt;<i> mail including mailing list signature.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J&#233;r&#244;me
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+Most email clients will automatically delete a correctly formatted
+signature block. Unfortunately, this list's signature is not
+correctly formatted - it should have two hyphens, followed by a
+space, followed by carriage return, followed by the signature
+contents - so users have to manually delete it.
+
+Compare my personal signature below with the list signature above
+to see the formatting problem - perhaps someone with admin powers on
+the list setup could correct this?
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+**Otford Ducks Computers**
+We teach, you learn...
+...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
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+<PRE>W dniu 2010-09-24 22:43, Andr&#233; Machado pisze:
+&gt;<i> The psychology explains many sensations related to color.
+</I>
+Great post but why (again) not in the proper place? Please, use a Reply
+button in your reader - it will be with advantage to all of us.
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+<PRE>On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 03:13:02PM +0300, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+&gt;<i> Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not
+</I>&gt;<i> because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> This is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life
+</I>&gt;<i> of any product.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some
+</I>&gt;<i> logos, based on Mageia's meaning, but a bit derived:
+</I>&gt;<i> - a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - cat's eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils,
+</I>&gt;<i> alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;<i> - any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon's horn)
+</I>&gt;<i> - an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe's stories the orb is a link,
+</I>&gt;<i> like a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>Let me put my 2 cents here :)
+
+All the above terms evoke nothing for me. They&#8217;re just lexically linked
+to magic, superstition or something like that.
+
+The first word that come to mind when I think of Mageia is community.
+Community evokes other terms for me : friendship, open minds, share,
+doing something together, that&#8217;s to say terms that evoke exchange
+between people.
+
+Luckily enough, the first lettre of Mageia is an M which can be
+stretched enough to look like a man. If I think of friendship, I think
+of the &#8220;emoticon&#8221; \o/, meaning you&#8217;re happy to see someone and welcome
+him.
+
+This started as a base for a logo. I personnally like simple logos think
+of the M of McDonalds for instance.
+
+And this is the result :
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+
+Black and white version :
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+
+When I first looked at it again, it made me think of this picture :
+<A HREF="http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg">http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg</A>
+
+I find this evocation very positive, it reminds the age of
+enlightenment, I hope it&#8217;s not negative to some people, but the idea I
+keep is the progress of human knowledge about life the universe and
+everything (sorry for the reference :p)
+
+The nice thing is that it scales very well, even at small sizes (16 px
+still looks good)
+
+Now, here are some guidelines to use it :
+Leave at least half the diameter of the circle around the logo, don&#8217;t
+put anything in this zone. The logo itself is blue, so it should not be
+put on a blue or red background, the contrast will be either too small
+or too sharp.
+
+The logo shall not be stretched, either vertically or horizontally.
+
+If you want to print it on paper, the logo should not exceed 1/5 of the
+width/height of the paper
+
+The font used there is simply bitstream vera sans, except for the M and
+the g, which has been a bit customized to remind a lowercase gamma (&#947;).
+
+Other letters are greeks alpha, iota, and epsilon. They&#8217;re not so
+different from their latin counterpart and look more elegant IMHO.
+
+Only 3 colours are used in the colour version: 2 variants of dark blue,
+and white.
+
+I&#8217;m no design expert, and did not want to customize it too much, in the
+hope it could serve as a base for other logos. I didn&#8217;t use many colours
+either so that we can change it, if we decide this colour does not fit.
+
+Unfortunately, as it is very simple in its design, I fear there is a
+high chance that a similar logo exists as well, sorry if it&#8217;s the case
+
+I hope you like this idea, feedback would be very welcome :)
+
+Best regards,
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+&gt;<i> And to fix the problem &quot;this is an english spoken mailing list&quot;, I also propose
+</I>&gt;<i> to make this list a greek spoken mailing list :-)
+</I>
+That was nasty, Jerome ;)
+Dimitros, I believe the slogan will be localized depending on the
+country where the distro is released. Let's keep it in English on the
+English-oriented websites.
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+As promised some news about donations.
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+At the moment, more than 1800&#8364; has been raised on paypal account which create
+some trouble. As we have just set up our paypal account for Mageia and as we
+received many donations for Mageia, we have some limitations by paypal. I've
+send many documents to remove those limitations yesterday and today. So i hope
+limitations will be removed soon.
+
+Why do i speak about limitations, that's because at the very moment we cannot
+overpass 2000&#8364; for the incoming money, so you see the point. I keep on eye on
+our paypal account to notice any change.
+
+Slightly more than 700&#8364; of donation by bank transfert. This is the solution i
+recommend even if you may need to go to your bank, there is no limitation
+
+And 50&#8364; by check if my treasurer's information is right :)
+
+So that's more than 2500&#8364; for now, keep on, share the adress :
+<A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org">http://donate.mageia.org</A>
+
+Stay tuned for next news !!
+
+Thanks
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+<PRE>* Marc Par&#233; (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-24 14:42, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * J&#233;r&#244;me Martin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at delaur.net</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The poll is over and a choice has been made.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 319 people participated to the poll
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Other choices: less than 30 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Elixir: 30 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Agora, Edge: 31 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wok: 32 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Alchemy: 35 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Genesis: 36 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Foundry: 37 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Cauldron: 110 voices
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The community clearly choose &quot;Cauldron&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The community clearly choose to follow your proposal :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I haven't nobody to choose this entry.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why forcing people when you have the hand on poll's data ? :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, of course my proposal was the best !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it was great that we got some kind of direction from Olivier
+</I>&gt;<i> when he organized the poll. There was a good discussion and well all
+</I>&gt;<i> contributed our opinions. Funny thing, that thread is still being
+</I>&gt;<i> discussed even when the polls have closed and the name has been
+</I>&gt;<i> published.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Un gros merci again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Choosing the name for the development version was only one task from
+a long list, and this one has been very visible, others are still in
+dark.
+
+Beside the joke I did we have a lot of people currently working to
+make the mageia dream a reality.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+<PRE>Le 24/09/2010 16:38, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Dear all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here's the Romanian translation for the donation page.
+</I>&gt;<i> Make good use and don't hesitate to solicit me for further help to translate in
+</I>&gt;<i> Romanian.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi Florin,
+
+.ro donation page is online
+
+Thanks for the work :)
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 &#224; 12:39 -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a
+&#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Friday 24 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andresalaun at aliceadsl.fr</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia is not an association &quot;d'utilit&#233; publique&quot; so the thread is closed,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is'nt it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, because the &quot;r&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts&quot; also applies to &quot;associations d'int&#233;r&#232;t
+</I>&gt;<i> g&#233;n&#233;ral&quot;, which Mageia might well be.
+</I>
+Well, first, there need to be a association.
+And afaik, it took quite a long time for APRIL ( big free software
+association ) to get that statutes.
+
+If people are motivated to do the paperwork, it will be of course be
+welcomed. But so far, we are not able to do it.
+
+As I said, we appreciate your enthusiasm, but we need to do thing in
+proper order or it will not work :/
+
+--
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 &#224; 12:42 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; It took something like 6 months to produce the page you gave. And Fedora people have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; also worked on this since a long time.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Our project as announced less than a week ago, and there is lots of work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to do to get basic infrastructure, answer mails and so on.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So could people please start to consider that we are only human living
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in a world with 24h a day, and therefor, that everything cannot be yet written,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and that we should rush important document like this ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the biggest problem here is that for most of the people, both on
+</I>&gt;<i> the ML and GMane, the core group individuals are still a mystery. There
+</I>&gt;<i> is no note on any of the pages identifying the initial organisers of the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>
+Well, that was roughly a subset of the list of people in the first
+announcement ( before we started to add people ).
+
+&gt;<i> If this were published and public on the mageia.org page, then there
+</I>&gt;<i> would probably be fewer questions. In fact, I think the core group is
+</I>&gt;<i> making it more frustrating to themselves by not communicating clearly
+</I>&gt;<i> who is behind the organising &quot;right at this moment&quot;. This would leave to
+</I>&gt;<i> such comments as you have said and heard from other individuals &quot;So
+</I>&gt;<i> could people please ....&quot; be patient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The communication to the community should be clearer from the core
+</I>&gt;<i> group. This is a necessity.
+</I>
+Well, I am here to tirelessly read all mails on the ml and answer to
+those I think I can answer, and I think you may have overlooked when I
+presented myself on the ml.
+
+IMHO, saying &quot;I am also involved in the
+launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago.&quot; was a
+clear message.
+
+While I would not present or consider myself as &quot;core&quot; based on
+egalitarian beliefs, I think that for most people, I am considered like
+it.
+
+So except answers to questions that are not decided yet, what do you
+expect ?
+
+&gt;<i> There should also be a regular representative who reports back to the
+</I>&gt;<i> community. I think Anne is well known and respected and would be the
+</I>&gt;<i> most logical choice for this. AND someone to replace Anne when she is
+</I>&gt;<i> not able to do this after her working day. You need 24hrs a day
+</I>&gt;<i> representation on the ML and GMane. I did notice that once the Europeans
+</I>&gt;<i> are off and (obviously) at sleep, North Americans are on. You need to
+</I>&gt;<i> find a way to service your community 24hrs/day.
+</I>
+I think people are perfectly able to wait a few hours before getting a
+response from a community effort, don't you ?
+
+Shall I remind the voluntary part of the engagement of most people on
+the list ?
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+Spellbook
+
+&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:17:30 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> From: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">erwiensamantha at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Olivier Thauvin
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Mihai Dobrescu (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Abracadabra?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Rejected, too long (have read the list I send two days ago ?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Make it short like &quot;Cadabra&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Erwien.
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+ <h1>24 September 2010 Archives by author</h1>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 00:02:10 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 23:52:00 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 203<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001082.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish Mageia-rooms on IRC
+</A><A NAME="930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001030.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001031.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001042.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001054.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001055.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001045.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001111.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001027.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000996.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001020.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001025.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001026.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001034.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001036.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001035.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001043.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001044.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001076.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001102.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001105.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001007.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001049.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001012.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001085.html">[Mageia-discuss] average donations down about EUR 8 :(
+</A><A NAME="1085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001087.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001101.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001028.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001112.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish Mageia-rooms on IRC
+</A><A NAME="929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001024.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001032.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001061.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001094.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001115.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001291.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="1291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001089.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001046.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001113.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001123.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001072.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001075.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001062.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001110.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001121.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian transfaltion for Donation page
+</A><A NAME="1128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001000.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001040.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001048.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001118.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001057.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001058.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="1058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001059.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001070.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001117.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DIDIER Philippe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001011.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001022.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001029.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian transfaltion for Donation page
+</A><A NAME="1015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001065.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001039.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001041.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001066.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001106.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001038.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001079.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tulum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001033.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001037.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001091.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001096.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001097.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001099.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001114.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001116.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000995.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001104.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001109.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001092.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001051.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001084.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001098.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001120.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 122
+</A><A NAME="1056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001068.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001078.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001093.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001095.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001103.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Sep 24 23:52:00 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:53 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 24 September 2010 Archive by date</title>
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+ <h1>24 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 00:02:10 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 23:52:00 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 203<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish Mageia-rooms on IRC
+</A><A NAME="929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish Mageia-rooms on IRC
+</A><A NAME="930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DIDIER Philippe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001291.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="1291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tulum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000996.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000995.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001000.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001007.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001011.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001012.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian transfaltion for Donation page
+</A><A NAME="1015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001020.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001022.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001024.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001025.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001026.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001027.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001028.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001029.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001030.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001031.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001032.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001033.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001034.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001036.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001035.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001037.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001040.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001038.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001039.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001041.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001042.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001043.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001044.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001045.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001048.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001046.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001049.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001051.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001054.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001055.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 122
+</A><A NAME="1056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001057.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001058.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="1058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001059.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001061.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001062.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001065.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001066.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001068.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001070.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001072.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001075.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001076.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001078.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001079.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001082.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001084.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001085.html">[Mageia-discuss] average donations down about EUR 8 :(
+</A><A NAME="1085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001087.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001089.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001091.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001092.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001093.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001094.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001095.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001096.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001098.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001097.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001099.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001101.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001102.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001103.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001104.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001105.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001106.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001110.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001109.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001112.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001111.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001113.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001114.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001115.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001116.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001117.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001118.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001120.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001121.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001123.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian transfaltion for Donation page
+</A><A NAME="1128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Sep 24 23:52:00 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:53 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>24 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 00:02:10 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 23:52:00 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 203<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001291.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="1291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001075.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001068.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001078.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tulum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000995.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001039.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001041.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001048.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001066.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001097.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001106.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001109.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001114.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001115.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001058.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="1058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001022.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001024.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001025.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001026.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001027.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001028.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001029.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001031.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001032.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001033.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001034.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001036.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001037.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001040.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001085.html">[Mageia-discuss] average donations down about EUR 8 :(
+</A><A NAME="1085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DIDIER Philippe
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001051.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001087.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001096.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001098.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001101.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001104.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001113.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001117.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001079.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001084.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001000.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001049.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001059.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001072.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001054.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001057.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001082.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 122
+</A><A NAME="1056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001055.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001065.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001070.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001007.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001011.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001012.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001093.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001112.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000996.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001020.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001030.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001035.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001038.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001042.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001043.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001044.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001045.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001046.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001076.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001089.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001092.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001102.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001103.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001105.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001111.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001118.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001123.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian transfaltion for Donation page
+</A><A NAME="1015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian transfaltion for Donation page
+</A><A NAME="1128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001061.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001062.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001091.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001094.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001095.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001099.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001110.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001116.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001120.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001121.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish Mageia-rooms on IRC
+</A><A NAME="929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish Mageia-rooms on IRC
+</A><A NAME="930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Sep 24 23:52:00 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:33:53 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 24 September 2010 Archive by thread</title>
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+ <h1>24 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 00:02:10 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Sep 24 23:52:00 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 203<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285279330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000929.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish Mageia-rooms on IRC
+</A><A NAME="929">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285279330-01285280416- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000930.html">[Mageia-discuss] Swedish Mageia-rooms on IRC
+</A><A NAME="930">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285280498- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000931.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="931">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Barry Jackson
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285281612- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000932.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="932">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DIDIER Philippe
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285281705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000933.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="933">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285281705-01285282663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000934.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="934">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285281705-01285332156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000983.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="983">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285281705-01285332156-01285349450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001058.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the logo
+</A><A NAME="1058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285286924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000935.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="935">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285286924-01285289399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000937.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="937">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285289069- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000936.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="936">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285305562- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000938.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="938">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285305562-01285327540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000971.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="971">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285305562-01285327540-01285328205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000974.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="974">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285305562-01285327540-01285332776- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000982.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="982">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285305562-01285327540-01285332776-01285336459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001000.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1000">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285305562-01285327540-01285332776-01285336459-01285346670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001049.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285305562-01285327540-01285332776-01285349663- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001059.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285305562-01285327540-01285332776-01285352730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001072.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285306558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000939.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="939">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285306558-01285308831- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000940.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="940">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000941.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="941">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000962.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="962">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000963.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="963">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000965.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="965">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000966.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="966">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000967.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="967">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000969.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="969">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221-01285327911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000972.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="972">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221-01285327911-01285328200- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000973.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="973">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221-01285327911-01285328200-01285335484- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000996.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="996">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221-01285327911-01285328200-01285335484-01285337399- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001004.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1004">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221-01285327911-01285328200-01285335484-01285337399-01285340386- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001020.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221-01285327911-01285328200-01285335484-01285337399-01285340386-01285341668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001030.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221-01285327911-01285328200-01285335484-01285337399-01285340386-01285341668-01285342465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001035.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221-01285327911-01285328200-01285335484-01285337399-01285340386-01285341668-01285342465-01285346473- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001046.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285326221-01285327911-01285328200-01285335484-01285337399-01285340386-01285341668-01285342465-01285346473-01285353361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001076.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001038.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285344827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001042.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285344827-01285345310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001044.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285344827-01285345310-01285346119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001045.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285345216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001043.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285345216-01285357041- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001092.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285345216-01285357041-01285358244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001102.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285345216-01285357041-01285358244-01285360537- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001118.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285345216-01285357041-01285358281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001103.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285345216-01285357041-01285358281-01285358490- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001105.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285325365-01285325859-01285343953-01285345216-01285357041-01285358281-01285358490-01285359780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001111.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285306558-01285308831-01285309873-01285324403-01285325117-01285356330- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001089.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285306558-01285310842- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000943.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="943">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285306558-01285310842-01285317367- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000952.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="952">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285310719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000942.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="942">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285310719-01285311261- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000944.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="944">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285310719-01285311261-01285312618- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000945.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="945">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285310719-01285311261-01285312618-01285313271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000948.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="948">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285311261-01285312618-01285313271-01285320329- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000959.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="959">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285311261-01285312618-01285313271-01285320329-01285347698- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001051.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285311261-01285312618-01285318726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000955.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="955">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285311261-01285312618-01285320128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000957.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="957">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285310719-01285312742- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000947.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="947">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285310719-01285316211- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000949.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="949">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000950.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="950">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285318683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000956.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="956">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285318683-01285356240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001087.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285318683-01285356240-01285357427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001096.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285318683-01285356240-01285357522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001098.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285318683-01285356240-01285357522-01285358142- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001101.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285318683-01285356240-01285358395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001104.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285318899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000960.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="960">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285329508- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000975.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="975">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285329508-01285330049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000976.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="976">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285329508-01285330548- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000977.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="977">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285310719-01285316211-01285316736-01285329508-01285330548-01285340645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285312650- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000946.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="946">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285312650-01285319487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001291.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="1291">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gamaliel Lamboy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285317088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000951.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="951">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285317088-01285321259- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000961.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="961">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285317088-01285321259-01285325169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000964.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="964">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325169-01285357304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001095.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325169-01285357304-01285359068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001110.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325169-01285357304-01285359068-01285360167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001116.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325169-01285357304-01285359068-01285361111- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001121.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000968.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="968">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870-01285330839- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000978.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="978">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870-01285330839-01285332052- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000980.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="980">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870-01285330839-01285332052-01285333370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000985.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="985">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870-01285330839-01285350450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001061.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870-01285330839-01285350450-01285350637- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001062.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870-01285330839-01285350450-01285350637-01285356888- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001091.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870-01285330839-01285350450-01285350637-01285356888-01285357285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001094.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870-01285330839-01285350450-01285350637-01285356888-01285357285-01285357639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001099.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285317088-01285321259-01285325870-01285330839-01285350450-01285361062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001120.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285318094- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000953.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="953">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285318181- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000954.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="954">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285318181-01285320285- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000958.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="958">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285327242- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000970.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="970">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285327242-01285337169- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001001.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1001">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285327242-01285357578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001097.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1097">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285327242-01285357578-01285358780- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001106.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285327242-01285357578-01285359360- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001109.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285327242-01285357578-01285359360-01285360077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001114.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285327242-01285357578-01285359360-01285360141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001115.html">[Mageia-discuss] About decisions in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285331846- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000979.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="979">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285331846-01285332382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000981.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="981">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marianne Lombard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285331846-01285332382-01285333171- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000984.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="984">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285333171-01285333430- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000986.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="986">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285333171-01285333430-01285333624- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000988.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="988">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285331846-01285332382-01285333605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000987.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="987">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285331846-01285332382-01285333823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000989.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="989">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000990.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="990">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tulum
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334770- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000991.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="991">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Loewe
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334770-01285336189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000997.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="997">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334770-01285344161- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001039.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334851- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000992.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="992">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334851-01285335194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000993.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="993">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334851-01285335486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000995.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="995">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334851-01285335486-01285344687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001041.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334851-01285335486-01285344687-01285346395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001048.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334851-01285335486-01285344687-01285346395-01285351654- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001066.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285334851-01285335486-01285344687-01285346395-01285357744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001165.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285335230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000994.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="994">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285331846-01285332382-01285334470-01285336303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000999.html">[Mageia-discuss] [FRENCH] R&#233;duction d'imp&#244;ts pour les dons &#224; l'association Mageia
+</A><A NAME="999">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285336220- -->
+<LI><A HREF="000998.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="998">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285336220-01285337282- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001002.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1002">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285336220-01285337289- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001003.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1003">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285336220-01285337289-01285339284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337289-01285339284-01285340836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285336220-01285337289-01285346543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337289-01285346543-01285347910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337289-01285346543-01285347970- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001054.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337289-01285346543-01285347970-01285349122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001057.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337289-01285346543-01285347970-01285349122-01285351456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337289-01285346543-01285347970-01285349122-01285351456-01285353555- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337289-01285346543-01285359023- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001166.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285336220-01285337962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001007.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1007">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285336220-01285337962-01285338458- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001011.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337962-01285338458-01285339673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001017.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337962-01285338458-01285339673-01285357144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001093.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285336220-01285337962-01285338458-01285339673-01285357144-01285359559- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001112.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285337467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001005.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1005">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285337467-01285359168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285337677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001006.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1006">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285337677-01285338096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001008.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1008">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285337677-01285338096-01285338930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285337677-01285338096-01285338930-01285339912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285337677-01285338656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285337677-01285346683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285338102- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001009.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1009">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285338102-01285338222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001010.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285338102-01285338222-01285339941- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001019.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285338641- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001012.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285339090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian transfaltion for Donation page
+</A><A NAME="1015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285339090-01285365120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Romanian transfaltion for Donation page
+</A><A NAME="1128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285340749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001022.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285340749-01285340928- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001024.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285340749-01285340928-01285341120- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001026.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285340749-01285340928-01285341120-01285341523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001028.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285340749-01285340928-01285341120-01285341523-01285342281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001036.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285340749-01285340928-01285341120-01285341523-01285342281-01285342726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001037.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285340749-01285340953- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001025.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285340749-01285340953-01285341522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001027.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285340749-01285340953-01285341522-01285342226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001034.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285341610- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001029.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Malcer Quaid
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285341610-01285341764- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001031.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285341610-01285341764-01285342080- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001033.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285341610-01285341764-01285342080-01285343821- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001040.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285341610-01285341950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001032.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285347775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285347775-01285348196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001055.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285347775-01285350221- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285347775-01285350221-01285350627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285347775-01285350221-01285350627-01285351471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001065.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285347775-01285350221-01285350627-01285351471-01285352494- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001070.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285347775-01285350221-01285350627-01285351471-01285352494-01285352737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285347775-01285350221-01285350627-01285351471-01285352494-01285354431- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285347775-01285350221-01285350627-01285351471-01285352494-01285354431-01285355578- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285347775-01285350221-01285350627-01285351471-01285352494-01285354431-01285355578-01285356379- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285347775-01285350221-01285350627-01285351471-01285352494-01285354431-01285355578-01285356379-01285356735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001090.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285347775-01285350221-01285350627-01285351471-01285352494-01285354431-01285355578-01285358014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285347775-01285352387- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285347775-01285352387-01285363540- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285348998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 122
+</A><A NAME="1056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285352182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285352182-01285353735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001079.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285352182-01285353735-01285354049- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285352182-01285353735-01285354049-01285354793- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001084.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285352182-01285353735-01285354049-01285364806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001127.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285352274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001068.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285352274-01285353311- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001075.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285352274-01285353311-01285353590- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001078.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285352635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285352635-01285353149- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;r&#244;me Martin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285352635-01285353149-01285363868- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285354522- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001082.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285354763- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001083.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285355274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001085.html">[Mageia-discuss] average donations down about EUR 8 :(
+</A><A NAME="1085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285359036- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001107.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285359912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001113.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285359912-01285360480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001117.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285361035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001119.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285361035-01285363600- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001123.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285363998- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285364715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001126.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Remy CLOUARD &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Let me put my 2 cents here :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the above terms evoke nothing for me. They're just lexically linked
+</I>&gt;<i> to magic, superstition or something like that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first word that come to mind when I think of Mageia is community.
+</I>&gt;<i> Community evokes other terms for me : friendship, open minds, share,
+</I>&gt;<i> doing something together, that's to say terms that evoke exchange
+</I>&gt;<i> between people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Luckily enough, the first lettre of Mageia is an M which can be
+</I>&gt;<i> stretched enough to look like a man. If I think of friendship, I think
+</I>&gt;<i> of the &quot;emoticon&quot; \o/, meaning you're happy to see someone and welcome
+</I>&gt;<i> him.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This started as a base for a logo. I personnally like simple logos think
+</I>&gt;<i> of the M of McDonalds for instance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And this is the result :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Black and white version :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I first looked at it again, it made me think of this picture :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg">http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I find this evocation very positive, it reminds the age of
+</I>&gt;<i> enlightenment, I hope it's not negative to some people, but the idea I
+</I>&gt;<i> keep is the progress of human knowledge about life the universe and
+</I>&gt;<i> everything (sorry for the reference :p)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The nice thing is that it scales very well, even at small sizes (16 px
+</I>&gt;<i> still looks good)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, here are some guidelines to use it :
+</I>&gt;<i> Leave at least half the diameter of the circle around the logo, don't
+</I>&gt;<i> put anything in this zone. The logo itself is blue, so it should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> put on a blue or red background, the contrast will be either too small
+</I>&gt;<i> or too sharp.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The logo shall not be stretched, either vertically or horizontally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to print it on paper, the logo should not exceed 1/5 of the
+</I>&gt;<i> width/height of the paper
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The font used there is simply bitstream vera sans, except for the M and
+</I>&gt;<i> the g, which has been a bit customized to remind a lowercase gamma (&#947;).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Other letters are greeks alpha, iota, and epsilon. They're not so
+</I>&gt;<i> different from their latin counterpart and look more elegant IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only 3 colours are used in the colour version: 2 variants of dark blue,
+</I>&gt;<i> and white.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm no design expert, and did not want to customize it too much, in the
+</I>&gt;<i> hope it could serve as a base for other logos. I didn't use many colours
+</I>&gt;<i> either so that we can change it, if we decide this colour does not fit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, as it is very simple in its design, I fear there is a
+</I>&gt;<i> high chance that a similar logo exists as well, sorry if it's the case
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope you like this idea, feedback would be very welcome :)
+</I>
+Nice logo Remy! :o)
+
+One trivia question: Do the darkened hands (but not feet) outside of
+the circle represent something?
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-24 17:45, Olivier M&#233;jean a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi guys !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As promised some news about donations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the moment, more than 1800&#8364; has been raised on paypal account which create
+</I>&gt;<i> some trouble. As we have just set up our paypal account for Mageia and as we
+</I>&gt;<i> received many donations for Mageia, we have some limitations by paypal. I've
+</I>&gt;<i> send many documents to remove those limitations yesterday and today. So i hope
+</I>&gt;<i> limitations will be removed soon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why do i speak about limitations, that's because at the very moment we cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> overpass 2000&#8364; for the incoming money, so you see the point. I keep on eye on
+</I>&gt;<i> our paypal account to notice any change.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Slightly more than 700&#8364; of donation by bank transfert. This is the solution i
+</I>&gt;<i> recommend even if you may need to go to your bank, there is no limitation
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And 50&#8364; by check if my treasurer's information is right :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So that's more than 2500&#8364; for now, keep on, share the adress :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org">http://donate.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stay tuned for next news !!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Wow! Good news considering the little time this has been running.
+
+Is there anything that we could do to help raise the $$$ amount
+restrictions. Some of our community members may have some financial
+clout. Why/what are the limitations.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Choosing the name for the development version was only one task from
+</I>&gt;<i> a long list, and this one has been very visible, others are still in
+</I>&gt;<i> dark.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Beside the joke I did we have a lot of people currently working to
+</I>&gt;<i> make the mageia dream a reality.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+It was visible because is was really well-run.
+
+BTW ... I was serious. Is there anything cooking in the Cauldron yet?
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Most email clients will automatically delete a correctly formatted
+</I>&gt;<i> signature block. Unfortunately, this list's signature is not
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly formatted - it should have two hyphens, followed by a
+</I>&gt;<i> space, followed by carriage return, followed by the signature
+</I>&gt;<i> contents - so users have to manually delete it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Compare my personal signature below with the list signature above
+</I>&gt;<i> to see the formatting problem - perhaps someone with admin powers on
+</I>&gt;<i> the list setup could correct this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I am not sure if anyone was aware of this.
+
+If you are seriously making use of this mailist, you may try to use the
+Gmane services instead. You can navigate back and forth through the
+discussion threads very easily and it is more efficient as following the
+development of ideas. Most email agents will also let you tag a thread
+so that you can spot them qucker.
+
+The people who read the mailist on the other hand will often delete past
+threads or emails and lose the development of the thread. Some arguments
+make no sense if you delete a critical argument and a thread often time
+will develop sub-threads.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-24 17:33, Remy CLOUARD a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 03:13:02PM +0300, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Indeed, a relation to the Mandriva is desirable to be avoided, IMHO. Not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because I hate or even dislike Mandriva. Just something fresh is needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is, I guess, one of the success components of re-branding in the life
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of any product.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have not enough skills to draw (I will try though), but I propose some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> logos, based on Mageia's meaning, but a bit derived:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - a black cat (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - cat's eye or eyes (+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> alternately)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - an owl ((+ some black stars instead of eyes' pupils, alternately)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - any of these above in the Moon (on the Moon's horn)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - an orb (my preferred) (in Edgar Allan Poe's stories the orb is a link,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like a screen - the monitor -, to other worlds ;) )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me put my 2 cents here :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the above terms evoke nothing for me. They&#8217;re just lexically linked
+</I>&gt;<i> to magic, superstition or something like that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first word that come to mind when I think of Mageia is community.
+</I>&gt;<i> Community evokes other terms for me : friendship, open minds, share,
+</I>&gt;<i> doing something together, that&#8217;s to say terms that evoke exchange
+</I>&gt;<i> between people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Luckily enough, the first lettre of Mageia is an M which can be
+</I>&gt;<i> stretched enough to look like a man. If I think of friendship, I think
+</I>&gt;<i> of the &#8220;emoticon&#8221; \o/, meaning you&#8217;re happy to see someone and welcome
+</I>&gt;<i> him.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This started as a base for a logo. I personnally like simple logos think
+</I>&gt;<i> of the M of McDonalds for instance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And this is the result :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Black and white version :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I first looked at it again, it made me think of this picture :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg">http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I find this evocation very positive, it reminds the age of
+</I>&gt;<i> enlightenment, I hope it&#8217;s not negative to some people, but the idea I
+</I>&gt;<i> keep is the progress of human knowledge about life the universe and
+</I>&gt;<i> everything (sorry for the reference :p)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The nice thing is that it scales very well, even at small sizes (16 px
+</I>&gt;<i> still looks good)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, here are some guidelines to use it :
+</I>&gt;<i> Leave at least half the diameter of the circle around the logo, don&#8217;t
+</I>&gt;<i> put anything in this zone. The logo itself is blue, so it should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> put on a blue or red background, the contrast will be either too small
+</I>&gt;<i> or too sharp.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The logo shall not be stretched, either vertically or horizontally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to print it on paper, the logo should not exceed 1/5 of the
+</I>&gt;<i> width/height of the paper
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The font used there is simply bitstream vera sans, except for the M and
+</I>&gt;<i> the g, which has been a bit customized to remind a lowercase gamma (&#947;).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Other letters are greeks alpha, iota, and epsilon. They&#8217;re not so
+</I>&gt;<i> different from their latin counterpart and look more elegant IMHO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only 3 colours are used in the colour version: 2 variants of dark blue,
+</I>&gt;<i> and white.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I&#8217;m no design expert, and did not want to customize it too much, in the
+</I>&gt;<i> hope it could serve as a base for other logos. I didn&#8217;t use many colours
+</I>&gt;<i> either so that we can change it, if we decide this colour does not fit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, as it is very simple in its design, I fear there is a
+</I>&gt;<i> high chance that a similar logo exists as well, sorry if it&#8217;s the case
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope you like this idea, feedback would be very welcome :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>
+Nice logo. I like the fact that the actual logo is independent of the
+&quot;Mageia&quot; word. You could then easily use the logo alone where the
+situation presents itself. Nice logo to use for branding purposes. I
+imagine you could then adapt it to a defined colour scheme if there is
+on picked for the logo/website? Maybe, you could work out some examples
+of coloured versions to show how this would look?
+
+Nice.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 25/09/2010 00:30, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-24 17:45, Olivier M&#233;jean a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi guys !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As promised some news about donations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> At the moment, more than 1800&#8364; has been raised on paypal account
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which create
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> some trouble. As we have just set up our paypal account for Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and as we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> received many donations for Mageia, we have some limitations by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> paypal. I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> send many documents to remove those limitations yesterday and today.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So i hope
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> limitations will be removed soon.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why do i speak about limitations, that's because at the very moment
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we cannot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overpass 2000&#8364; for the incoming money, so you see the point. I keep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on eye on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> our paypal account to notice any change.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Slightly more than 700&#8364; of donation by bank transfert. This is the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> solution i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recommend even if you may need to go to your bank, there is no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> limitation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And 50&#8364; by check if my treasurer's information is right :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So that's more than 2500&#8364; for now, keep on, share the adress :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org">http://donate.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Stay tuned for next news !!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wow! Good news considering the little time this has been running.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there anything that we could do to help raise the $$$ amount
+</I>&gt;<i> restrictions. Some of our community members may have some financial
+</I>&gt;<i> clout. Why/what are the limitations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+Hi Folks !
+I'm Elodie (aka DjeZAeL), the assistant treasurer of AUFML, and i set up
+the donation campaign.
+
+Here is the message of PayPal about the limitations.
+
+ /*23 sep 2010: *PayPal exige des comptes relevant de la cat&#233;gorie
+ organisation caritative/&#224; but non lucratif des informations
+ suppl&#233;mentaires sur leur organisation. Lors d'une &#233;tude r&#233;cente,
+ votre compte a &#233;t&#233; identifi&#233; comme relevant de cette classification.
+ Sans r&#233;ponse de votre part, nous pourrons restreindre l'acc&#232;s &#224;
+ votre compte./
+ /PayPal est l&#233;galement tenu de respecter les r&#233;glementations de
+ l'Union europ&#233;enne concernant le blanchiment d'argent, en collectant
+ des informations aupr&#232;s de ses utilisateurs lorsque ces derniers
+ re&#231;oivent des paiements d'un montant total sup&#233;rieur &#224; la limite
+ d&#233;finie./
+ /Si vous avez des difficult&#233;s &#224; suivre la proc&#233;dure, n'h&#233;sitez pas &#224;
+ nous contacter
+ &lt;<A HREF="https://www.paypal.com/fr/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_contact-phone">https://www.paypal.com/fr/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_contact-phone</A>&gt;./
+ /Nous vous remercions de votre confiance et vous prions de nous
+ excuser pour tout d&#233;sagr&#233;ment &#233;ventuel./
+
+
+
+Here under, the limitations currently enforced on the Paypal account :
+
+ Type de limite Montant de la limite Il reste Date de red&#233;finition
+ Limite de paiement annuelle &#8364;1 500,00 EUR &#8364;1 500,00 EUR 21 sep 2011
+ Limite de virement mensuelle &#8364;750,00 EUR &#8364;100,00 EUR
+ Limite de virement annuelle &#8364;1 000,00 EUR &#8364;350,00 EUR 21 sep 2011
+ Limite de r&#233;ception annuelle &#8364;2 500,00 EUR &#8364;163,90 EUR 21 sep 2011
+
+
+We have already made a transfer of 650,00 EUR to the bank account of
+AUFML in order to have money immediately usable for Mageia.
+
+All the documents required by PayPal were already provided, they are
+being processed.
+I'm scanning the PayPal account thoroughly to raise the limits as soon
+as possible.
+
+
+Elodie (doing her best)
+
+
+PS: sorry if the paste are in French, the PayPal account is in French
+since AUFML and I are French ;) (and my english is not very good)
+
+--
+DjeZAeL / Elodie
+
+Utilisatrice de Logiciels Libres et de GNU/Linux
+&quot;Le chemin est long mais la voie est Libre&quot;
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hi Folks !
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm Elodie (aka DjeZAeL), the assistant treasurer of AUFML, and i set up
+</I>&gt;<i> the donation campaign.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the message of PayPal about the limitations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> /*23 sep 2010: *PayPal exige des comptes relevant de la cat&#233;gorie
+</I>&gt;<i> organisation caritative/&#224; but non lucratif des informations
+</I>&gt;<i> suppl&#233;mentaires sur leur organisation. Lors d'une &#233;tude r&#233;cente,
+</I>&gt;<i> votre compte a &#233;t&#233; identifi&#233; comme relevant de cette classification.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sans r&#233;ponse de votre part, nous pourrons restreindre l'acc&#232;s &#224;
+</I>&gt;<i> votre compte./
+</I>&gt;<i> /PayPal est l&#233;galement tenu de respecter les r&#233;glementations de
+</I>&gt;<i> l'Union europ&#233;enne concernant le blanchiment d'argent, en collectant
+</I>&gt;<i> des informations aupr&#232;s de ses utilisateurs lorsque ces derniers
+</I>&gt;<i> re&#231;oivent des paiements d'un montant total sup&#233;rieur &#224; la limite
+</I>&gt;<i> d&#233;finie./
+</I>&gt;<i> /Si vous avez des difficult&#233;s &#224; suivre la proc&#233;dure, n'h&#233;sitez pas &#224;
+</I>&gt;<i> nous contacter
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.paypal.com/fr/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_contact-phone">https://www.paypal.com/fr/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_contact-phone</A>&gt;./
+</I>&gt;<i> /Nous vous remercions de votre confiance et vous prions de nous
+</I>&gt;<i> excuser pour tout d&#233;sagr&#233;ment &#233;ventuel./
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here under, the limitations currently enforced on the Paypal account :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Type de limite Montant de la limite Il reste Date de red&#233;finition
+</I>&gt;<i> Limite de paiement annuelle &#8364;1 500,00 EUR &#8364;1 500,00 EUR 21 sep 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Limite de virement mensuelle &#8364;750,00 EUR &#8364;100,00 EUR
+</I>&gt;<i> Limite de virement annuelle &#8364;1 000,00 EUR &#8364;350,00 EUR 21 sep 2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Limite de r&#233;ception annuelle &#8364;2 500,00 EUR &#8364;163,90 EUR 21 sep 2011
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have already made a transfer of 650,00 EUR to the bank account of
+</I>&gt;<i> AUFML in order to have money immediately usable for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the documents required by PayPal were already provided, they are
+</I>&gt;<i> being processed.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm scanning the PayPal account thoroughly to raise the limits as soon
+</I>&gt;<i> as possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Elodie (doing her best)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS: sorry if the paste are in French, the PayPal account is in French
+</I>&gt;<i> since AUFML and I are French ;) (and my english is not very good)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Merci Elodie des informations.
+
+It sounds like they are just waiting for the proper documentation to
+unlock the limits and that you have submitted the proper paperwork.
+
+Part of the translation --&gt; PayPal is legally responsible to the
+European Union for the enforcement of regulations to prevent money
+laundering. They are waiting for more documentation to unlock the limit. ...
+
+As you say, you have provided the information and judging from your note
+this is just a matter of time.
+
+Thanks for helping out with the transfers. I imagine that even if you
+withdrew the 650,00 Euro, that the limit is still almost reached and it
+will be locked once we have reached that limit?
+
+Still a good sign of the financial support the community is willing to give.
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>Le 25/09/2010 01:45, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Folks !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Merci Elodie des informations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Still a good sign of the financial support the community is willing to
+</I>&gt;<i> give.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi there,
+
+I've added a security system on donation site : When we reach 1950&#8364; the
+Paypal buttons will be replaced by a short sentence explaining why it's
+disabled.
+
+That should prevent us from being really locked... but that will not
+solve the problem.
+
+Stay tuned :)
+
+Ma&#226;t
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-24 19:54, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 25/09/2010 01:45, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Folks !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Merci Elodie des informations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Still a good sign of the financial support the community is willing to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> give.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've added a security system on donation site : When we reach 1950&#8364; the
+</I>&gt;<i> Paypal buttons will be replaced by a short sentence explaining why it's
+</I>&gt;<i> disabled.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That should prevent us from being really locked... but that will not
+</I>&gt;<i> solve the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stay tuned :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Okey dokey. We'll hang on to our millions till you let us know. :)
+
+Cheers
+
+Marc
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+From: Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 01:54:35 +0200
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+Le 25/09/2010 01:45, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Folks !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Merci Elodie des informations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Still a good sign of the financial support the community is willing to
+</I>&gt;<i> give.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi there,
+
+I've added a security system on donation site : When we reach 1950&#8364; the
+Paypal buttons will be replaced by a short sentence explaining why it's
+disabled.
+
+That should prevent us from being really locked... but that will not
+solve the problem.
+
+Stay tuned :)
+
+Ma&#226;t
+
+Create another account doesn't work? :D
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+<PRE>As I said, IMHO logo must be simple.
+
+Logos that I like:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+
+All these logos look simple enough. BUt they are elegant.
+
+I think that all famous logos have in common that they are simple: an
+apple, a red hat, the &quot;evil&quot; window, etc.
+
+Cheers!
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+I've got an idea for a logo, but unfortunately not the skills to do it :( Maybe the theme could interest someone that got them.
+So I thought to a stylish phoenix :
+- it's a magical bird, so that symbolize well mageia
+- mageia could be called a rebirth
+- the theme of a magical bird is present in a lot of cultures (persian, chinese, south-american ...)
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>As Spanish from Spain and Latin American Spanish...
+
+And then you must consider Spanish from Argentina, from Chile, from
+Venezuela, etc.
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+You can do an effort in this critical momment and share the page, please.
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+<PRE> On 09/24/2010 01:59 PM, herman wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 2010-09-24 at 11:47 -0700, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hey, Olivier! What's cooking so far at the &quot;Cauldron&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i> As O'l Bill of the Shaky Spear put it in MacBeth:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Bubble, bubble, toil and trouble.&quot;
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+From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300
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+Ol&#225;,
+
+who knows about site megeia-br?
+
+The creation of site mageia-br (<A HREF="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</A>) occurred with
+the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?
+
+MacXi
+
+brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is available at <A HREF="http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/">http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</A>
+
+Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to mageia.org/pt-br is www.mageia.com.br, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da Silva J&#250;nior
+.
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+Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These infos have Phone and mail address.
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amfidiusz at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-09-24 20:32, J&#233;r&#244;me Martin pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And to fix the problem &quot;this is an english spoken mailing list&quot;, I also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> propose
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to make this list a greek spoken mailing list :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That was nasty, Jerome ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitros, I believe the slogan will be localized depending on the country
+</I>&gt;<i> where the distro is released. Let's keep it in English on the
+</I>&gt;<i> English-oriented websites.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+
+Me too
+Because in every language the slogan sounds different, some times cant be
+exactly the english translation. So, before i use it in articles, forums
+etc, id like the opinion of other, greek spoken, here.
+
+Or i was nt explained correctly or you read very fast the messages.
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+<PRE>Hello to all.
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+I've following this mailist for a while and i think it's time to
+introduce myself.
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+I'm the author of this logo proposal:
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5012254437/in/set-72157624887209341/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5012254437/in/set-72157624887209341/</A>
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+As well as all of this:
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/sets/72157624887209341/with/5020364993/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/sets/72157624887209341/with/5020364993/</A>
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+And i just wanted to say that if you want to give me some feedback
+regarding the logos, i'll try gladly to take your advise.
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+well, i think it's all. I wish the best of luck for all the people
+behind Mageia, and be sure i'll help as much as i can.
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+cheers.
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+<PRE>On Sep 24, 2010, at 11:09 PM, Luis Fernando Carrillo Vega &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dux.v02 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello to all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've following this mailist for a while and i think it's time to
+</I>&gt;<i> introduce myself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm the author of this logo proposal:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5012254437/in/set-72157624887209341/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5012254437/in/set-72157624887209341/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As well as all of this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/sets/72157624887209341/with/5020364993/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/sets/72157624887209341/with/5020364993/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And i just wanted to say that if you want to give me some feedback
+</I>&gt;<i> regarding the logos, i'll try gladly to take your advise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, i think it's all. I wish the best of luck for all the people
+</I>&gt;<i> behind Mageia, and be sure i'll help as much as i can.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers.
+</I>
+Luis,
+
+I love your logos, my favorites so far. They show adaptability. Very professional.
+
+Could you make a set more &quot;glassy&quot;?
+
+And some blueish tone variations, to provide samples in how different tones will look right &quot;for real&quot;.
+
+Thank you for all the creativity to you and to all the other talented contributors to Mageia Art
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+Salut,
+Sinner
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+I Just want to know if it was discussed here or is a independent project.
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+
+MacXi
+
+Em Sex 24 Set 2010, &#224;s 23:48:31, Andr&#233; Machado escreveu:
+&gt;<i> --- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ol&#225;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> who knows about site megeia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The creation of site mageia-br (<A HREF="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</A>) occurred with
+</I>&gt;<i> the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th
+</I>&gt;<i> and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is
+</I>&gt;<i> available at <A HREF="http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/">http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org/pt-br is www.mageia.com.br, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da
+</I>&gt;<i> Silva J&#250;nior .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at
+</I>&gt;<i> registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These
+</I>&gt;<i> infos have Phone and mail address.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On 09/24/2010 10:09 PM, Luis Fernando Carrillo Vega wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello to all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've following this mailist for a while and i think it's time to
+</I>&gt;<i> introduce myself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm the author of this logo proposal:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5012254437/in/set-72157624887209341/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5012254437/in/set-72157624887209341/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As well as all of this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/sets/72157624887209341/with/5020364993/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/sets/72157624887209341/with/5020364993/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And i just wanted to say that if you want to give me some feedback
+</I>&gt;<i> regarding the logos, i'll try gladly to take your advise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> well, i think it's all. I wish the best of luck for all the people
+</I>&gt;<i> behind Mageia, and be sure i'll help as much as i can.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+I've introduced myself earlier but said little as I am humble printing
+pressman. I like this:
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5012254437/in/set-72157624887209341/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5012254437/in/set-72157624887209341/</A>
+
+because the stars add a depth to the concept of magic or mageia. But I
+prefer this color scheme:
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5015299912/in/set-72157624887209341/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/eleefece/5015299912/in/set-72157624887209341/</A>
+
+or would enjoy more even more a color scheme involving Bordeaux and more
+black with also some yellow and/or gold. Not sure if I am knowledgeable
+enough but elegant yet bold with some contrast while staying with a
+somewhat simplistic design may render more better across less
+sophisticated hardware? Magenta is color not much represented in
+proposed logos and may translate psychologically differently and perhaps
+better than red. I love the idea of Bordeaux for something in this
+project though. Hmm... Magenta.... If only I had the skills to draw.
+Also a soft cherry color. Hmm. Just thinking. Dreaming. Imagining.
+
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+Thanks,
+Ben Bullard
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+<PRE>On 24 September 2010 14:58, Juergen Harms &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Picking up from where Mageia forked off, many things activities look like
+</I>&gt;<i> continuity from Mandriva Linux. But forking is also a challenge to find not
+</I>&gt;<i> too hard to implement improvements - such as &quot;bugzilla monitoring&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think I am not the only one who frequently felt frustrated submitting yet
+</I>&gt;<i> another bug, knowing that it had more 50% of chance to disappear the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;oubliettes&quot;. I think there is an objective question: if bugs are not
+</I>&gt;<i> followed up, that should not just happen by accident - there should be an
+</I>&gt;<i> explicit and justified decision. There is also a subjective question: a user
+</I>&gt;<i> who went through the pains to write a good bug report should get a feedback
+</I>&gt;<i> with a followup, even if there are no &quot;comments&quot; in the bugzilla data base.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, let me put it this way, a bug report will go unfixed in the
+following cases:
+- Triage work ends when the bug report is assigned to the maintainer;
+if the bug has no maintainer then the chances that it'll get fixed are
+a bit lower (some packages have no maintainer but are used by a lot of
+users so it gets fixed any way)
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+- The package has a maintainer but he's overworked and has a huge
+backlog, unfortunately that happens to everyone, in this case posting
+a new comment in the report should bring it back up in his list;
+pinging a bug report is the reporter's responsibility (triage team is
+always understaffed so to speak, too many bug reports, too few people
+to triage them all); so if after say a week of reporting a bug you get
+no response from the maintainer feel free to ask in the report.
+
+It's always nice to acknowledge a bug report but unfortunately that
+doesn't always happen... you have to understand that a lot of bug
+reports go in per day (it also seasonal, i.e. towards the end of the
+development cycle the amount of bug reports increases considerably).
+
+Another point is, there isn't a bugzilla where some bug reports don't
+go forgotten, again ideally this shouldn't happen, but there's ideal
+and there's what really happens :/
+
+&gt;<i> Some ideas: have a &quot;lost bug advocate&quot;? create a team - just like the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;triage team&quot; that feels responsible for bugs not to disappear? (different
+</I>&gt;<i> from the, but talking to, maybe overlapping the triage team, leaning on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;dev&quot; - in Mageia it will be a volonteer, even more important - to whom a
+</I>&gt;<i> bug is assigned) - proposing and justifying which bugs - for the time being
+</I>&gt;<i> - will have no follow up), creating some commented statistics on the fate of
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs - good for QA, but also for PR about Mageia? trigger an alarm if too
+</I>&gt;<i> many bugs remain un-resolved? - always assuming that enough active
+</I>&gt;<i> contribution can be recruited from the temp. wiki list. I also believe that,
+</I>&gt;<i> for Mageia, the situation is different. In Mandriva, I guess that some
+</I>&gt;<i> (many?) of these acitivities were done by staff of the QA group - in Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> an alternative is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe Mandriva had something like this - if yes, it was too well hidden.
+</I>
+As I said, pining a bug report to bring to the attention of the
+package maintainer is the reporter's responsibility, at least given
+the fact that he's suffering from that bug, i.e. he has a strong
+motive.
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+You also have to bear in mind that sometimes a bug reporter doesn't
+remember, or doesn't bother, to close a report when a bug he'd
+reported has been fixed.
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+Also note that before a new release a lot of devs/packagers go through
+all the reports assigned to them (depending on their time of course if
+they're contributors doing dev work in their free time, or employees
+with other more critical things to fix before a release).
+
+&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Well... if I report a BUG, I'm responsible for it :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean, I have a problem, I report the bug, and I keep bothering until
+</I>&gt;<i> someone answer me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It has no sense to report a bug and leave it / forget it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reporter must follow his own bug.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Create a team to control that another team doesn't forget is (IMHO and
+</I>&gt;<i> no offense intended) a waste of resources even if that team is made
+</I>&gt;<i> with volunteers. Because these volunteers could do something more
+</I>&gt;<i> important.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>
+Righto :)
+
+Note that, as I said before, triage team has always been understaffed.
+Adam Williamson and Pacho Ramos were doing a marvellous job triaging
+all sorts of reports, I know they were overwhelmed a lot of times by
+the huge numbers of bug reports.
+
+&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> a lot of times
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Remco Rijnders &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think it would help if these etiquette rules would be part of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> confirmation message people receive when signing up to these lists. I know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everyone is mega-utterly busy, but a few minutes here might save a lot of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time and annoyance over and over :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry, but reality shows that nobody reads such confirmation messages
+</I>&gt;<i> except for the part where a password is given or other such
+</I>&gt;<i> information. Did you read the whole confirmation message from mailman
+</I>&gt;<i> for this list? I did not.
+</I>
+Yes, that's a fact of life :)
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+One fully reads the manual after he's used the product/thing/device
+for a while...
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+<PRE>On 24 September 2010 21:21, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-24 14:04, Remco Rijnders a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:50:27PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Remco Rijnders&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think it would help if these etiquette rules would be part of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> confirmation message people receive when signing up to these lists. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> know
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> everyone is mega-utterly busy, but a few minutes here might save a lot
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> time and annoyance over and over :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry, but reality shows that nobody reads such confirmation messages
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> except for the part where a password is given or other such
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> information. Did you read the whole confirmation message from mailman
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for this list? I did not.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would have if I had not recognised it was nothing but the default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mailman message.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or perhaps a pointer to a page with etiquette information instead of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obvious that gets appened to every post on this list now.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It may not help for all cases (if indeed as you claim nobody reads these),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but surely it can't hurt?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I really think it is easier if some people accept the responsibility of
+</I>&gt;<i> doing a gentle reminder every now and then to the list. It takes seconds to
+</I>&gt;<i> do this. However, it should be sent by someone who has an official
+</I>&gt;<i> designation to make impact/clout. This is normally done through the email
+</I>&gt;<i> identifier, in this case, &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">____ at mageia.org</A>&quot;. It can be a temporary
+</I>&gt;<i> assignation till the organization is more structured. I am surprised that
+</I>&gt;<i> the email address assignation has not been addressed. It is such an easy
+</I>&gt;<i> thing to set up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, first they set the servers in the datacenter(s) first, then
+aliases, @mageia.org, assigning ensues. (Personally I don't see a
+particular hurry about that especially as there's no SVN repos yet).
+
+Also bear in mind that the news about the new fork made a lot of users
+start using mailing lists for the first time (I see some users who're
+more used to using forums posting here \o/). So it's not just a
+reminder, but actually a first-time-note about the whole
+mailing-lists-posting-etiquette which is brand new to some users.
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 14:21:34 -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>I really think it is easier if some people accept the responsibility of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>doing a gentle reminder every now and then to the list. It takes seconds
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>to do this. However, it should be sent by someone who has an official
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>designation to make impact/clout.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The 'clout' can also come from an 'authorative' distro page. I doubt
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia's philosophy will differ much from Mandriva's in this respect:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_(Rules">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_(Rules</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ciao,
+</I>&gt;<i> =Dick Gevers=
+</I>
+Yes! that page spills all the goodies on the mailing lists etiquette.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've got an idea for a logo, but unfortunately not the skills to do it :(
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe the theme could interest someone that got them.
+</I>&gt;<i> So I thought to a stylish phoenix :
+</I>&gt;<i> - it's a magical bird, so that symbolize well mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> - mageia could be called a rebirth
+</I>&gt;<i> - the theme of a magical bird is present in a lot of cultures (persian,
+</I>&gt;<i> chinese, south-american ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> I was wondering if the KDE dev for Mandriva is here?
+</I>Neoclust is mentioned on the list of people on the homepage, so I do think
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 24 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Indeed, &quot;Bordeaux&quot; is the most profound (the deepest) of all reds to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reminds me of a sister in law of mine, who hails from Quinsac (Gironde);
+</I>&gt;<i> who,
+</I>&gt;<i> when asked &quot;Aimez vous le Bourgogne ? (Do you like Burgundy)
+</I>&gt;<i> replies &quot;Je pr&#233;f&#232;re le vin&quot; (I prefer wine)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Insanity is hereditary: You get it from your kids.
+</I>&gt;<i> -- Sam Levenson
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was wondering if the KDE dev for Mandriva is here?
+</I>&gt;<i> Neoclust is mentioned on the list of people on the homepage, so I do think
+</I>&gt;<i> he's with us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Neoclust is mentioned on the list of people on the homepage, so I do
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; think he's with us.
+</I>&gt;<i> Where?
+</I>Oh, I thought I saw his name there and I really thougt I saw him on IRC...
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+ <B>JUAN CARLOS</B>
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+<PRE>First, my English is not good but I try
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+Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better
+if it were completely different and a crystal environment.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 3:23 AM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> As I said, IMHO logo must be simple.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Logos that I like:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017913690/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306285/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306481/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5017306435/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All these logos look simple enough. BUt they are elegant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that all famous logos have in common that they are simple: an
+</I>&gt;<i> apple, a red hat, the &quot;evil&quot; window, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I like them too, especially the second and, maybe, the first. The third
+reminds of Mandriva...
+If it's up to me, the styled penguin is the best, it has a special shape, as
+a rolling stone, polished by water in time. Like old tribes cult items. It
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+&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Neoclust is mentioned on the list of people on the homepage, so I do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> think he's with us.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Where?
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, I thought I saw his name there and I really thougt I saw him on IRC...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+Oh well, I thought it would be kind of neat/weird if he had packages
+already/almost complete to upgrade Mdv2010.1 to KDE4.5.1, that he could
+release them as a Mageia KDE 4.5.1. It would signal a sign of things to
+come. Most people would know that it would have been really for Mdv2010.1.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the problem, which lawyers are concerned about and which many
+</I>&gt;<i> geeks prefer to ignore:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Can I distribute the modifications I performed on Mandriva One and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Free?
+</I>&gt;<i> You may not redistribute a modified version of Mandriva products unless
+</I>&gt;<i> all registered trademarks, brands, names and logos referring to
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandrivasoft are removed. This includes, for instance, the use of the
+</I>&gt;<i> word &quot;Mandriva Linux&quot;, &quot;Mandriva&quot;, the Mandriva Linux and Mandrivasoft
+</I>&gt;<i> logos. This is required to protect Mandrakesoft's intellectual property
+</I>&gt;<i> rights and to avoid creating confusion for our clients. However, if you
+</I>&gt;<i> wish to become a Mandrakesoft distributor, we would gladly welcome you
+</I>&gt;<i> as a Mandrakesoft Partner and establish a win/win agreement. See our
+</I>&gt;<i> Partner Page.&quot;
+</I>
+Ok, so all community editions of Mandriva Linux have to be erased from
+the servers immediately.
+Somebody should tell Mandriva and the communities that these editions
+are not legal.
+Of course this is not our (Mageia's) problem.
+
+BTW: I never heard the term &quot;Mandrivasoft&quot; and there is no such entity
+as &quot;Mandrakesoft&quot; any more, it is obsolete. If you pasted this
+paragraph from the Mandriva site it is obsolete.
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+Thx for the information anyway, I'll tell all Mandriva Linux community
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+</I>&gt;<i> :)) Does the Bordeaux (the wine) reminds somebody the danger?
+</I>
+ less than a computer in refering to Mitch Ratcliffe sentence:
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+<PRE>Le 25/09/2010 03:18, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> As Spanish from Spain and Latin American Spanish...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And then you must consider Spanish from Argentina, from Chile, from
+</I>&gt;<i> Venezuela, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can do an effort in this critical momment and share the page, please.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think i've found a way to make every spanish and portuquese speaking
+people agree on one language : i've used romanian on .br page so that
+all can have the same feeleing. :o)
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+Very nice of me isn't it ?
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+(Note : the shameful bug is fixed now...
+Sorry for all .br people who came on the donation page in the last 6 hours)
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Technically, how do you will proceed to this change?
+</I>&gt;<i> You will rename anything in your mandriva domain to mageia ? or you will do
+</I>&gt;<i> a new domain and restart everything by zero? I ask this because i want to
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid to break the site with a mistake. This probably is a question to the
+</I>&gt;<i> webmasters/admins
+</I>
+This decision will have to wait until Mageia web structure is being created.
+
+At MandrivaUser.de we have talked about that because we will support
+Mageia but do not want to
+ - neglect the Mandriva users who decide to stay with Mandriva Linux
+ - lose the wealth of knowledge gathered in more than 200K forum posts
+and numerous wiki pages, much of it will be useful in Mageia as well.
+
+At the moment there is a &quot;mageia.de&quot; page which shows a link to
+mageia.org and a link to mandrivauser.de. There are several options so
+we will wait and decide later. At the moment we have a section in our
+Mandrivauser forum where people can discuss Mageia.
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 05:27:21PM -0500, R James wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Remy CLOUARD &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">shikamaru at mandriva.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Let me put my 2 cents here :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And this is the result :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Black and white version :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When I first looked at it again, it made me think of this picture :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg">http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice logo Remy! :o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One trivia question: Do the darkened hands (but not feet) outside of
+</I>&gt;<i> the circle represent something?
+</I>Hi :-)
+
+Actually, I first did sharp corners for both the hand and the feet, and
+I had the feeling the sharp corners for hands made it look a bit &#8220;evil&#8221;
+so I thought rounded corners would be better.
+
+I forgot to add the svg source for the logo, because flickr doesn&#8217;t seem
+to take them. Here it is :
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+<A HREF="http://www.shikamaru.fr/attachments/download/127/mageia.svg">http://www.shikamaru.fr/attachments/download/127/mageia.svg</A>
+
+Thanks for your feedback !
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+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Ol&#225;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> who knows about site megeia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The creation of site mageia-br (<A HREF="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</A>) occurred with the
+</I>&gt;<i> agreement / probation this forum or IRC?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i> brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You&#8217;re hijacking the logo thread, could you start a new thread in a new
+mail please ?
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-24 16:10, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 &#224; 12:42 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It took something like 6 months to produce the page you gave. And Fedora people have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> also worked on this since a long time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Our project as announced less than a week ago, and there is lots of work
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to do to get basic infrastructure, answer mails and so on.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So could people please start to consider that we are only human living
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in a world with 24h a day, and therefor, that everything cannot be yet written,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and that we should rush important document like this ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think the biggest problem here is that for most of the people, both on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the ML and GMane, the core group individuals are still a mystery. There
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is no note on any of the pages identifying the initial organisers of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that was roughly a subset of the list of people in the first
+</I>&gt;<i> announcement ( before we started to add people ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If this were published and public on the mageia.org page, then there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would probably be fewer questions. In fact, I think the core group is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> making it more frustrating to themselves by not communicating clearly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who is behind the organising &quot;right at this moment&quot;. This would leave to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> such comments as you have said and heard from other individuals &quot;So
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could people please ....&quot; be patient.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The communication to the community should be clearer from the core
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> group. This is a necessity.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I am here to tirelessly read all mails on the ml and answer to
+</I>&gt;<i> those I think I can answer, and I think you may have overlooked when I
+</I>&gt;<i> presented myself on the ml.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO, saying &quot;I am also involved in the
+</I>&gt;<i> launch of the Mageia project since the start some months ago.&quot; was a
+</I>&gt;<i> clear message.
+</I>
+Well, that may have been said on the ML before I got on the Gmane and
+erased. The same could be said for eveyone else who got on the ML and
+would still no know. But no problem.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I would not present or consider myself as &quot;core&quot; based on
+</I>&gt;<i> egalitarian beliefs, I think that for most people, I am considered like
+</I>&gt;<i> it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So except answers to questions that are not decided yet, what do you
+</I>&gt;<i> expect ?
+</I>
+I guess we are all trying to fill out the groups call to help out as you
+had first laid out on the mageia.org page. But I guess if you now seem
+to have changed your expectations of the community and no longer need as
+much help, then, no problem. It is not &quot;what do you expect&quot; that we were
+trying to help out with, but the group's expectation. No problem with
+this again. I can wait longer and wait till you decide you need help then.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There should also be a regular representative who reports back to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> community. I think Anne is well known and respected and would be the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most logical choice for this. AND someone to replace Anne when she is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not able to do this after her working day. You need 24hrs a day
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> representation on the ML and GMane. I did notice that once the Europeans
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are off and (obviously) at sleep, North Americans are on. You need to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> find a way to service your community 24hrs/day.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think people are perfectly able to wait a few hours before getting a
+</I>&gt;<i> response from a community effort, don't you ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shall I remind the voluntary part of the engagement of most people on
+</I>&gt;<i> the list ?
+</I>
+We are all volunteering also. But then, no problem.
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+<PRE>Le 25/09/2010 04:48, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> --- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300
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+</I>&gt;<i> Ol&#225;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> who knows about site megeia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The creation of site mageia-br (<A HREF="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</A>) occurred with
+</I>&gt;<i> the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>----
+&gt;<i> According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is available at <A HREF="http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/">http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to mageia.org/pt-br is www.mageia.com.br, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da Silva J&#250;nior
+</I>&gt;<i> .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These infos have Phone and mail address.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hem... running under Microsoft IIS
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+And mail contact : Mailing lists link replaced by <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">project at mageia-br.org</A>
+&lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">project at mageia-br.org</A>&gt; Este endere&#231;o de e-mail est&#225; protegido
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 07:14:06PM -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-24 17:33, Remy CLOUARD a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 03:13:02PM +0300, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;And this is the result :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Black and white version :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice logo. I like the fact that the actual logo is independent of
+</I>&gt;<i> the &quot;Mageia&quot; word. You could then easily use the logo alone where
+</I>&gt;<i> the situation presents itself. Nice logo to use for branding
+</I>&gt;<i> purposes. I imagine you could then adapt it to a defined colour
+</I>&gt;<i> scheme if there is on picked for the logo/website? Maybe, you could
+</I>&gt;<i> work out some examples of coloured versions to show how this would
+</I>&gt;<i> look?
+</I>Ok I&#8217;ve uploaded some other versions of the logo :
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+Bordeaux coloured (to please wobo :p) :
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5022564370/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5022564370/</A>
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+Dark green colour :
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021957305/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021957305/</A>
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+Turquoise :
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021957391/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021957391/</A>
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+Purple :
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021957359/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021957359/</A>
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+Gold :
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5022564414/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5022564414/</A>
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+I had to put this one on a dark background, because the contrast wasn&#8217;t
+good on a light background.
+
+If you would like to test it with other colours, here is the svg
+source:
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+<A HREF="http://www.shikamaru.fr/attachments/download/127/mageia.svg">http://www.shikamaru.fr/attachments/download/127/mageia.svg</A>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks a lot for the feedback !
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+&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
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+<PRE>Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-24 16:10, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So except answers to questions that are not decided yet, what do you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; expect ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess we are all trying to fill out the groups call to help out as you
+</I>&gt;<i> had first laid out on the mageia.org page. But I guess if you now seem
+</I>&gt;<i> to have changed your expectations of the community and no longer need as
+</I>&gt;<i> much help, then, no problem. It is not &quot;what do you expect&quot; that we were
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to help out with, but the group's expectation. No problem with
+</I>&gt;<i> this again. I can wait longer and wait till you decide you need help then.
+</I>Marc, you are very active here but please consider, what many people have said
+on this list over and over again.
+There have to be done many things in the background, legal as well as
+technical. This takes some time and we should all let the founder group do
+there work, so that it is done right, not hasty.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 &#224; 18:33 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; Choosing the name for the development version was only one task from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; a long list, and this one has been very visible, others are still in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dark.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Beside the joke I did we have a lot of people currently working to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; make the mageia dream a reality.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> It was visible because is was really well-run.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW ... I was serious. Is there anything cooking in the Cauldron yet?
+</I>
+We are still working on getting the infrastructure setup and installed
+( ie, getting server, getting datacenter space, plugging everything,
+setting up monitoring, mail, directory etc ), and the buildsystem.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 &#224; 22:25 +0100, Margot a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:19:47 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> J&#233;r&#244;me Martin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at delaur.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; There should be a recurring reminder of the mailist and Gmane
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; list rules. There are many who are new to mailists and have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; never had the experience in group mailist etiquette. Some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; people find it annoying/frustrating when people top-post, quote
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; whole passages etc. But we should be happy that there is so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; much participation. It just means that we need to every now and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; then send out a gentle reminder of the rules. I think that the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &quot;Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder&quot; should be posted every
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; now and then by the Mageia ML maintainer just to add a little
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; formality to the message.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks to reminder this etiquette. It was quite difficult to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; follow a thread where people top-posted and others quote all the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mail including mailing list signature.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Most email clients will automatically delete a correctly formatted
+</I>&gt;<i> signature block. Unfortunately, this list's signature is not
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly formatted - it should have two hyphens, followed by a
+</I>&gt;<i> space, followed by carriage return, followed by the signature
+</I>&gt;<i> contents - so users have to manually delete it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Compare my personal signature below with the list signature above
+</I>&gt;<i> to see the formatting problem - perhaps someone with admin powers on
+</I>&gt;<i> the list setup could correct this?
+</I>
+I think that's because the ml consider that the sender signature should
+be correctly setup. IIRC, the list is running default setting of
+mailman.
+I guess I could change this, but I will first do some research after
+taking my breakfast, because there is maybe a reason to not have the
+default &quot;-- &quot; set up.
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+Alternatively, I think the footer doesn't help much, so maybe it should
+be erased.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 &#224; 14:21 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> I really think it is easier if some people accept the responsibility of
+</I>&gt;<i> doing a gentle reminder every now and then to the list. It takes seconds
+</I>&gt;<i> to do this. However, it should be sent by someone who has an official
+</I>&gt;<i> designation to make impact/clout. This is normally done through the
+</I>&gt;<i> email identifier, in this case, &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">____ at mageia.org</A>&quot;. It can be a temporary
+</I>&gt;<i> assignation till the organization is more structured. I am surprised
+</I>&gt;<i> that the email address assignation has not been addressed. It is such an
+</I>&gt;<i> easy thing to set up.
+</I>
+It is already working, that's just currently overlapping with zarb.org
+accounts ( ie, most plf peoples already have such account, so does
+frozen-bubble one and others ).
+
+The issue is not a technical problem, but a organizational one. Ie who
+should receive such aliases, and who decide this.
+
+More ever, the beliefs that only official will have a impact is not
+really in line with the empowerment of the community that should fuel
+the project IMHO.
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 24 septembre 2010 &#224; 12:45 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 SinnerBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sep 24, 2010, at 2:31 AM, atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My personal opinon, all except greyish, dark or blueish (we are not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva but fork) colors are ok. Also we should use qtcurve as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; theme engine, so we can use our theme on both gtk and qt application.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I dint se why we should stay away from a blueish theme.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I like blueish themes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's not the question of liking, it is a question of identity.
+</I>&gt;<i> Everybody knows the green of openSUSE, the blue of Mandriva. If we
+</I>&gt;<i> start out with a blue identity we will be regarded as still being a
+</I>&gt;<i> kind of Mandriva Linux. Similarities and same packages in the
+</I>&gt;<i> technical part of Mageia will obviously be there. But the standard
+</I>&gt;<i> look should be recognizable different.
+</I>
+Technically, Fedora is also blue, and I think that
+1) no one tell the Fedora is a kind of Mandriva
+2) no one tell that Mandriva is a kind of Fedora
+
+You can still be blue with a different color and feeling.
+
+( and I do not say that because I like the blue :p )
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+<PRE>2010/9/25 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Marc, you are very active here but please consider, what many people have said
+</I>&gt;<i> on this list over and over again.
+</I>&gt;<i> There have to be done many things in the background, legal as well as
+</I>&gt;<i> technical. This takes some time and we should all let the founder group do
+</I>&gt;<i> there work, so that it is done right, not hasty.
+</I>
++100
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+&gt;<i>From what people like Michael have posted so far we can expect regular
+</I>updates of what has been done and what the core team is working on at
+the moment, see Anne's blog post as first example.
+
+I repeat: this has been the first week and I really am as overwhelmed
+as the founding group by all this. Let's have some patience - I just
+spent more than 1 hour just to read the mails which came in on the
+lists during last 12 hours - I don't expect that you want all core
+team to spend 2 hours each day to read mails, then some more to answer
+mails.
+
+Let them do their most important work first, there will be structures
+then which will make it easier for them and then we can expect more
+feedback from them or the various team leaders and whoever.
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+<PRE>Le 25/09/2010 02:11, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">---maat-ml at vilarem.net</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Ma&#226;t&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 01:54:35 +0200
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le 25/09/2010 01:45, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Folks !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Merci Elodie des informations.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Still a good sign of the financial support the community is willing to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> give.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stay tuned :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Create another account doesn't work? :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>(unfortunately) no
+The same bank account can't be attached to two PayPal accounts.
+Maybe to prevent money laundering ;)
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+--
+DjeZAeL / Elodie
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+<PRE>Den 2010-09-24 23:33:18 skrev Remy CLOUARD:
+&gt;<i> The first word that come to mind when I think of Mageia is community.
+</I>&gt;<i> Community evokes other terms for me : friendship, open minds, share,
+</I>&gt;<i> doing something together, that&#8217;s to say terms that evoke exchange
+</I>&gt;<i> between people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Luckily enough, the first lettre of Mageia is an M which can be
+</I>&gt;<i> stretched enough to look like a man. If I think of friendship, I think
+</I>&gt;<i> of the &#8220;emoticon&#8221; \o/, meaning you&#8217;re happy to see someone and welcome
+</I>&gt;<i> him.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This started as a base for a logo. I personnally like simple logos think
+</I>&gt;<i> of the M of McDonalds for instance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And this is the result :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Black and white version :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>
+I really like this :)
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+Not too simple
+Not too complicated
+And it say something
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+<PRE>2010/9/25 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Technically, how do you will proceed to this change?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You will rename anything in your mandriva domain to mageia ? or you will do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a new domain and restart everything by zero? I ask this because i want to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> avoid to break the site with a mistake. This probably is a question to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> webmasters/admins
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This decision will have to wait until Mageia web structure is being created.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At MandrivaUser.de we have talked about that because we will support
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia but do not want to
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- neglect the Mandriva users who decide to stay with Mandriva Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;- lose the wealth of knowledge gathered in more than 200K forum posts
+</I>&gt;<i> and numerous wiki pages, much of it will be useful in Mageia as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the moment there is a &quot;mageia.de&quot; page which shows a link to
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org and a link to mandrivauser.de. There are several options so
+</I>&gt;<i> we will wait and decide later. At the moment we have a section in our
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandrivauser forum where people can discuss Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+We have decided adding a new Mageia category in forum and serve our
+people from there. This is the way Turkish linux community support
+identical distros. Ubuntu-tr have done this before and everyone is
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+<PRE>2010/9/25 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-25 02:51, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Neoclust is mentioned on the list of people on the homepage, so I do
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> think he's with us.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Where?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oh, I thought I saw his name there and I really thougt I saw him on IRC...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh well, I thought it would be kind of neat/weird if he had packages
+</I>&gt;<i> already/almost complete to upgrade Mdv2010.1 to KDE4.5.1, that he could
+</I>&gt;<i> release them as a Mageia KDE 4.5.1. It would signal a sign of things to
+</I>&gt;<i> come. Most people would know that it would have been really for Mdv2010.1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+Isn't it too early to talk about KDE packages. No buildsystem or
+servers have been set up yet.
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+<PRE>2010/9/24 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le 24/09/2010 22:11, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 24/09/2010 21:41, atilla ontas a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I have seen that Turkish donations page is still in english. &#160;Is there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a problem my attached translation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi atilla,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm working on Turkish just now...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My problem is that you are many and quick to translate... and that i'm
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just one :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry for the delay... just wait a few moments and that will be online
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for your work !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Turkish page ins on line, please check if everything is okay.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+<PRE>atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/25 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oh well, I thought it would be kind of neat/weird if he had packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; already/almost complete to upgrade Mdv2010.1 to KDE4.5.1, that he could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; release them as a Mageia KDE 4.5.1. It would signal a sign of things to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; come. Most people would know that it would have been really for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mdv2010.1.
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't it too early to talk about KDE packages. No buildsystem or
+</I>&gt;<i> servers have been set up yet.
+</I>
+I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created to
+work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages? What do we
+win by this? I think we would only loose some credibility in the international
+OpenSource community.
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+ <B>Juergen Harms</B>
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+<PRE>I agree with those who say: give them time. I understand that the
+founding group works full steam on creating a documented concept that
+can be shown to the community, and that will serve as a base to set up
+an organisation.
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+I guess that the amount of time needed for formulating the concept,
+building consensus (and first within the founding group) will be a
+surprise to those who do this work (I have done this kind of exercise 2
+times in my life: Switch and Dante). If this guess is right, it might be
+a good idea if the founding group finds a good moment to take a snapshot
+and submit it as an interim document to discussion in this list. There
+will and must be a discussion, better have it in an organised way and
+soon - on the base of a document.
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+Until such a snapshot (or the concept itself) is available, the
+discussion in this list is valuable to feed input and ideas into the
+work of the founding group - posts that are guesses on what might be the
+state of mind the founding group risk to drown the constructive
+contributions in a background of noise. I know, it is not noise, it
+expresses committment and preoccupation - but its effect comes to be noise.
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+Em S&#225;b 25 Set 2010, &#224;s 04:36:28, Remy CLOUARD escreveu:
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 11:40:46PM -0300, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ol&#225;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; who knows about site megeia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The creation of site mageia-br (<A HREF="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</A>) occurred with the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; agreement / probation this forum or IRC?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You&#8217;re hijacking the logo thread, could you start a new thread in a new
+</I>&gt;<i> mail please ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+****************
+
+Em S&#225;b 25 Set 2010, &#224;s 04:42:34, Ma&#226;t escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Le 25/09/2010 04:48, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ol&#225;,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; who knows about site megeia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The creation of site mageia-br (<A HREF="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</A>) occurred with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 22th and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available at <A HREF="http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/">http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia.org/pt-br is www.mageia.com.br, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Silva J&#250;nior .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; infos have Phone and mail address.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hem... running under Microsoft IIS
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And mail contact : Mailing lists link replaced by <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">project at mageia-br.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">project at mageia-br.org</A>&gt; Este endere&#231;o de e-mail est&#225; protegido
+</I>&gt;<i> contra spambots. Voc&#234; deve habilitar o JavaScript para visualiz&#225;-lo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/25 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Oh well, I thought it would be kind of neat/weird if he had packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; already/almost complete to upgrade Mdv2010.1 to KDE4.5.1, that he could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; release them as a Mageia KDE 4.5.1. It would signal a sign of things to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; come. Most people would know that it would have been really for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mdv2010.1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't it too early to talk about KDE packages. No buildsystem or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; servers have been set up yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created
+</I>&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;<i> work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages? What do
+</I>&gt;<i> we
+</I>&gt;<i> win by this? I think we would only loose some credibility in the
+</I>&gt;<i> international
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenSource community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+OMG!
+As user I wouldn't think you want to kill/destroy/blow up/whatever evil you
+may imagine to do to Mandriva.
+You just try to get the best for Mageia's users. Although the cutting edge
+is not he best. I wish to have the newest possible (read stable) version
+built in my distro.
+Let's not be negative and hostile in thinking.
+Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva...
+Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?
+Actually, if Mageia will contribute to some important component as KDE is,
+this will help all the distros around, including Mandriva. I'm sure they
+will upgrade some component due to their plan, so it is not anybody's fault
+if they decide to remain behind (to a certain version).
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+<PRE>Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 &#224; 07:57 +0300, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 24 September 2010 14:58, Juergen Harms &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Picking up from where Mageia forked off, many things activities look like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; continuity from Mandriva Linux. But forking is also a challenge to find not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; too hard to implement improvements - such as &quot;bugzilla monitoring&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think I am not the only one who frequently felt frustrated submitting yet
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; another bug, knowing that it had more 50% of chance to disappear the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;oubliettes&quot;. I think there is an objective question: if bugs are not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; followed up, that should not just happen by accident - there should be an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; explicit and justified decision. There is also a subjective question: a user
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; who went through the pains to write a good bug report should get a feedback
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with a followup, even if there are no &quot;comments&quot; in the bugzilla data base.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, let me put it this way, a bug report will go unfixed in the
+</I>&gt;<i> following cases:
+</I>&gt;<i> - Triage work ends when the bug report is assigned to the maintainer;
+</I>&gt;<i> if the bug has no maintainer then the chances that it'll get fixed are
+</I>&gt;<i> a bit lower (some packages have no maintainer but are used by a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> users so it gets fixed any way)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - The package has a maintainer but he's overworked and has a huge
+</I>&gt;<i> backlog, unfortunately that happens to everyone, in this case posting
+</I>&gt;<i> a new comment in the report should bring it back up in his list;
+</I>&gt;<i> pinging a bug report is the reporter's responsibility (triage team is
+</I>&gt;<i> always understaffed so to speak, too many bug reports, too few people
+</I>&gt;<i> to triage them all); so if after say a week of reporting a bug you get
+</I>&gt;<i> no response from the maintainer feel free to ask in the report.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's always nice to acknowledge a bug report but unfortunately that
+</I>&gt;<i> doesn't always happen... you have to understand that a lot of bug
+</I>&gt;<i> reports go in per day (it also seasonal, i.e. towards the end of the
+</I>&gt;<i> development cycle the amount of bug reports increases considerably).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another point is, there isn't a bugzilla where some bug reports don't
+</I>&gt;<i> go forgotten, again ideally this shouldn't happen, but there's ideal
+</I>&gt;<i> and there's what really happens :/
+</I>
+Technically, we have a ratio of X testers per Y developers ( by
+developers, i mean people who are able to fix a bug, and by testers, i
+mean people who can and will report a bug, ie, developers count as
+testers as long as they use the software ).
+
+X is always greater that Y, cause every developer is also likely to use
+the software he write, at least on free software projects.
+So, for a single man project without any other users ( like a small
+shell script ), the ratio is 1 per 1. So the developer is able to take
+care of all bug reported by himself.
+
+On a distribution linux project ( let's take Fedora because I have the
+number <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics</A> ), the ratio is :
+
+- around 20 millions of users ( while the number can vary, i doubt there
+is a 50% delta in the number ), let's imagine there is 1 million of
+users, or the contrary 50 millions.
+
+- 1075 packagers in their account system.
+
+Which make a ratio between 1/1000 ( worst case in term of users ) or
+1/50000 ( best case in term of users ).
+
+Now, let's imagine that all of the 1000 packages are full time. Ie, work
+8h per day 5 day a week on the project. This make 2800h ( which is more
+than the 1680 hours we have in france, without counting holidays ).
+
+This basically mean that each users can have a exclusive slot of between
+3 minutes to 3h of a developer time per year. This is not much, since
+debugging can be tricky. Now, you add the fact that
+1) developers cannot do only bugfixing, sometimes, you need to do new
+packages, or write new code.
+2) developers have others occupations ( like going in holidays, writing
+reports, discussing on ml, meetings )
+3) most developers are not full time on their project.
+
+Theses 3 points likely dramatically reduce the time that can be devoted
+to bug fixing and bugzilla.
+
+So how can this be improved.
+
+We can either reduce X ( ie number of users ), or increase Y ( number of
+developers ). We can also try to improve the efficiency of developers.
+
+Reducing X, ie less users/testers, is not really a good option.
+
+Increasing Y, or developers efficiency requires almost the same step :
+move people from the users/testers group to the developers group.
+
+And first step is that people should try to fix their own bug as much as
+possible. This way, they learn to do bug fixing, the process scale ( ie,
+we will be nearer on a proper ratio of 1 to 1 if everybody fix his own
+bugs first ).
+
+If we want to increase number of developers, the best way is to have
+users who care about the software ( since they report bugs ) to be able
+to fix bugs, ie become developers, or at least helping as much as
+possible ( ie, giving very precise step, giving patches, triaging others
+bugs so developpers do not have to do it, etc ). This way, there is more
+time devoted for each problem, and more knowledge for all, and more
+empowerment.
+
+Now, that's just a goal, and while I doubt that everybody has the time
+or the envy of becoming developers ( since others areas are equally
+important, imho, and that mean others area also outside of the
+project ), I think this must be clear that it is a question of community
+sustainability. We know we cannot attain the 1 per 1 ratio, but we must
+strive for it.
+
+More developers mean better software, better software mean more users,
+more users means more work for developers. So we need to find a way to
+increase developers numbers at the same time that users number grows.
+
+In commercial world, that's easy. More users equal more money, which
+mean more developers paid ( that's a rough simplification, but that's
+good enough ).
+
+
+In the community world, this is not as straight, unfortunately, because
+more users do not mean more developers ( not automatically ). And while
+we try to do our best, I am sure there is possibility of improvement.
+
+But before improving, we first need to start :)
+
+So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way for
+everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-25 06:35, Mihai Dobrescu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/25 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Oh well, I thought it would be kind of neat/weird if he had
+</I>&gt;<i> packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; already/almost complete to upgrade Mdv2010.1 to KDE4.5.1, that
+</I>&gt;<i> he could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; release them as a Mageia KDE 4.5.1. It would signal a sign of
+</I>&gt;<i> things to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; come. Most people would know that it would have been really for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mdv2010.1.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't it too early to talk about KDE packages. No buildsystem or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; servers have been set up yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not
+</I>&gt;<i> created to
+</I>&gt;<i> work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> What do we
+</I>&gt;<i> win by this? I think we would only loose some credibility in the
+</I>&gt;<i> international
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenSource community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OMG!
+</I>&gt;<i> As user I wouldn't think you want to kill/destroy/blow up/whatever evil
+</I>&gt;<i> you may imagine to do to Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> You just try to get the best for Mageia's users. Although the cutting
+</I>&gt;<i> edge is not he best. I wish to have the newest possible (read stable)
+</I>&gt;<i> version built in my distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's not be negative and hostile in thinking.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva... Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, if Mageia will contribute to some important component as KDE
+</I>&gt;<i> is, this will help all the distros around, including Mandriva. I'm sure
+</I>&gt;<i> they will upgrade some component due to their plan, so it is not
+</I>&gt;<i> anybody's fault if they decide to remain behind (to a certain version).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, my apologies to the list. It was wrong.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> I know, it is not noise, it expresses committment and
+</I>&gt;<i> preoccupation - but its effect comes to be noise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is the essence of all these discussions about logos, colors and
+some more until there are professional guidelines to &quot;channalize&quot; the
+eagerness of the crowd into productive channels. What we have now is a
+flooding, what we will have to establish is an irrigation if I may use
+the agroculturial picture.
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+&gt;<i> I know, it is not noise, it expresses committment and
+</I>&gt;<i> preoccupation - but its effect comes to be noise.
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+This is the essence of all these discussions about logos, colors and
+some more until there are professional guidelines to &quot;channalize&quot; the
+eagerness of the crowd into productive channels. What we have now is a
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not created
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva...
+</I>&gt;<i> Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?
+</I>
+No, I didn't say that. I didn't say anything about staying one (or any) steps
+behind Mandriva. I was just against highjacking something. If there are
+packages for Mandriva let them use them.
+There won't be a first release of Mageia for quite some time, I think. Perhaps
+in three/for month, who knows? Sure we should use the newest stable versions
+of every software we use, then and sure we can experiment with software not so
+stable in the Cauldron, but let's wait till we really have something to work
+with!
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+<PRE>On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:13:49AM +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Technically, we have a ratio of X testers per Y developers ( by
+</I>&gt;<i> developers, i mean people who are able to fix a bug, and by testers, i
+</I>&gt;<i> mean people who can and will report a bug, ie, developers count as
+</I>&gt;<i> testers as long as they use the software ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> X is always greater that Y
+</I>...
+&gt;<i> So how can this be improved.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can either reduce X ( ie number of users ), or increase Y ( number of
+</I>&gt;<i> developers ). We can also try to improve the efficiency of developers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reducing X, ie less users/testers, is not really a good option.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Increasing Y, or developers efficiency requires almost the same step :
+</I>&gt;<i> move people from the users/testers group to the developers group.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And first step is that people should try to fix their own bug as much as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible. This way, they learn to do bug fixing, the process scale ( ie,
+</I>&gt;<i> we will be nearer on a proper ratio of 1 to 1 if everybody fix his own
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs first ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we want to increase number of developers, the best way is to have
+</I>&gt;<i> users who care about the software ( since they report bugs ) to be able
+</I>&gt;<i> to fix bugs, ie become developers, or at least helping as much as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible ( ie, giving very precise step, giving patches, triaging others
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs so developpers do not have to do it, etc ). This way, there is more
+</I>&gt;<i> time devoted for each problem, and more knowledge for all, and more
+</I>&gt;<i> empowerment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, that's just a goal, and while I doubt that everybody has the time
+</I>&gt;<i> or the envy of becoming developers ( since others areas are equally
+</I>&gt;<i> important, imho, and that mean others area also outside of the
+</I>&gt;<i> project ), I think this must be clear that it is a question of community
+</I>&gt;<i> sustainability. We know we cannot attain the 1 per 1 ratio, but we must
+</I>&gt;<i> strive for it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>...
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the community world, this is not as straight, unfortunately, because
+</I>&gt;<i> more users do not mean more developers ( not automatically ). And while
+</I>&gt;<i> we try to do our best, I am sure there is possibility of improvement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But before improving, we first need to start :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way for
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself.
+</I>I would like to moderate this a bit. As far as I can see on
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A> there are many
+volunteers to learn how to do that, approximately 12-15 people.
+
+At the moment there are 3 people who would like to mentor these
+packagers, that means that for the beginning we could form half of the
+volunteers, and forming takes quite some time.
+
+If we want to increase Y, we also need to help in that area, I see some
+people from blogdrake do that as we do as well as St&#233;phane and Guillaume
+help for the AUFML. It would be good to have these names in the
+mentoring team so that we have a clear view of who is able to help Y
+increase.
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+Though I admit that does not prevent one to try to fix his bug first,
+but I would like to take this xkcd as an illustration :
+<A HREF="http://xkcd.com/763/">http://xkcd.com/763/</A>
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+Forming people is IMHO the best way to increase Y :-)
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+</I>&gt;<i> So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way for
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself.
+</I>
+This is neither arrogant nor elitist, it is logical thinking. But at
+the same time it is unrealistic, as a lot of logical thinking is. :(
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+Only a small percentage of users is able to write a good bug report,
+much less users would be able to squash the simplest of bugs (like
+fixing a broken dependency in a package, broken by a typo of the
+packager or similar). As we have already said here we first need
+people who help other people writing bug reports - this may be
+possible for a certain percentage of users, for others it may not
+because they may not care.
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+What you are talking about is the user who is already committed to be
+involved, the community which is discussing here and elsewhere. But
+the majority of users, even in a free non-commercial environment, is
+not out for an involvement, they want to use the software.
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+</I>&gt;<i> So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way
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+&gt;<i> everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself.
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+I created an Opendesktop group to offer some visibility on the
+OpenDesktop.org websites. This is just for you to know about it. I
+guess this will can help encouraging contributions on the Artwork and
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+&gt;<i> Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not
+</I>&gt;<i> created
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm Mandriva...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I didn't say that. I didn't say anything about staying one (or any)
+</I>&gt;<i> steps
+</I>&gt;<i> behind Mandriva. I was just against highjacking something. If there are
+</I>&gt;<i> packages for Mandriva let them use them.
+</I>&gt;<i> There won't be a first release of Mageia for quite some time, I think.
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> in three/for month, who knows? Sure we should use the newest stable
+</I>&gt;<i> versions
+</I>&gt;<i> of every software we use, then and sure we can experiment with software not
+</I>&gt;<i> so
+</I>&gt;<i> stable in the Cauldron, but let's wait till we really have something to
+</I>&gt;<i> work
+</I>&gt;<i> with!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
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+Of course, I was rhetorical. Let's do it! As best as we could! (if I can say
+that in English) But organized. Every thing at its time. It is hard to
+temper the enthusiasm. It's hard to temper the rush. But it's necessary in
+order to do the things right. What means to build KDE for Mandriva/Mageia? I
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+Le 25/09/2010 11:13, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> We can also try to improve the efficiency of developers.
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way for
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself.
+</I>Hi,
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+I do not fully agree with your demonstration, Michael. Mageia targets
+also Average Joe which obviously is not and never be a developer. Your
+conclusion is more appropriate for distros like fedora, which states
+clearly that their target audience is computer-friendly user
+(<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base</A>)
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+That said, I believe that improving productivity of developers is part
+of the solution.
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+How can it be done ?
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+Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++.
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+Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
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+Why these ? because they provide :
+- garbage collectors (or some sort of for Vala) which eliminate the 1st
+source of bugs in C/C++ (dangling pointers &amp; memory leaks)
+- object oriented programming (C++ also) and GNU/Linux is full of
+objects (Gobject in Gnome, Kobject in linux driver model, etc)
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+If one compare a C/Gobject program with its equivalent in Vala, it is
+obvious that it will have fewer bugs in Vala version, just because there
+less lines of code hence less places where bugs can hide.
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+What is means for Mageia ? Nothing for the moment, there are so many
+urgent thinks to do ;) But in the future I would like to help to promote
+high level language programming in Mageia community.
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+Cheers
+Farfouille
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+Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++.
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+Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
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+Java is a bit slow and if Mageia tools is developed under this or another similar language, they will became dependant of this language runtime environment.
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+<PRE>On Saturday 25 September 2010, Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Technically, we have a ratio of X testers per Y developers ( by
+</I>&gt;<i> developers, i mean people who are able to fix a bug, and by testers, i
+</I>&gt;<i> mean people who can and will report a bug, ie, developers count as
+</I>&gt;<i> testers as long as they use the software ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree with the formula.
+But there is ways to make it more efficient, get a better quotient from it:
+
+The triage team is one factor. So, instead of X/Y, you have (X/t)/Y, meaning
+that the triage team will filter noise.
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+One, that I have long been campaining for, is to multiply Y by R, where R is
+the distributions: X/(R * Y) will be much better..
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+And, of course, reduce the time needed for every Y to do their work,
+repackage, fix the code, manage patches or generally finish each issue.
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+&gt;<i> Le 25/09/2010 11:13, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>
+&gt;<i> Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think this is not an answer to the conversation. But it is perfect as a
+flamebait.
+You expect the Mageia installation to depend on Oracle, then?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
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+</I>Java is a &quot;higher level language&quot; than C++ ??? This is absolutely
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 25/09/2010 11:13, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can also try to improve the efficiency of developers.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not fully agree with your demonstration, Michael. Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> targets also Average Joe which obviously is not and never be a
+</I>&gt;<i> developer. Your conclusion is more appropriate for distros like
+</I>&gt;<i> fedora, which states clearly that their target audience is
+</I>&gt;<i> computer-friendly user (<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, I believe that improving productivity of developers is
+</I>&gt;<i> part of the solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How can it be done ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++.
+</I>This reasoning has already been taken in account even by distributions
+that tend to attract more developper profiles.
+
+Many end user tools are developped in python for this reason, because
+python has the reputation of being easy to learn (though arguably perl
+or ruby do their job well in that area too).
+
+Two well-known examples in these area are networkmanager and
+system-config-printer.
+&gt;<i> What is means for Mageia ? Nothing for the moment, there are so many
+</I>&gt;<i> urgent thinks to do ;) But in the future I would like to help to
+</I>&gt;<i> promote high level language programming in Mageia community.
+</I>I suggest you to add yourself in this page :
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
+
+add some entries in the language list.
+
+We need java experts, and vala and D are interesting too :-)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> Farfouille
+</I>Regards,
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+</I>[...]
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+</I>&gt;<i> If one compare a C/Gobject program with its equivalent in Vala, it is
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious that it will have fewer bugs in Vala version, just because
+</I>&gt;<i> there less lines of code hence less places where bugs can hide.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Unfortunately:
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+1) Software actually developed by the MDV community is a small
+percentage of the distro. Most of it is written by upstream developers,
+who will use whatever they like.
+
+2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small
+percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of
+problem you describe. Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues.
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:03, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Java is a bit slow and if Mageia tools is developed under this or another similar language, they will became dependant of this language runtime environment.
+</I>
+Please Andr&#233; don't break the thread once again. Use the reply command of
+your mailer to reply to messages ar change your mailer, but it become
+awkward to see you breaking threads, while you have already been warned
+about this. BTW, I answer back on the original thread (at least I try)No
+offense (I am not an englidh native speaker).
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+Slowness of Java is a myth now a day. I currently work in a big french
+company who build an embedded time critical system (missile trajectory
+detection and self defense response. Yes it is about weapons.).
+Everything runs on GNU/linux in Java.
+
+Java is definitively not slow to make interactive programs. About the
+dependency several points :
+- Java is now free and open source, so the dependency is relative
+- low level libraries can still be done in C/C++ with well crafted
+bindings to high level languages
+- there are other candidates, D for instance or Vala for Gobject/Gnome
+programming which have no dependencies on runtime if, for some reason
+and some projects, runtime dependency is a concern.
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+Cheers
+Farfouille
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+<PRE> Le 23/09/2010 21:53, Mihai Dobrescu a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:37 PM, peter f miller &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pfmiller at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pfmiller at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sep 23, 2010 8:14 AM, &quot;Funda Wang&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fundawang at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fundawang at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#22312; 2010&#24180;9&#26376;23&#26085; &#19979;&#21320;11:06&#65292;Kira &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">elegant.pegasus at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; &#20889;&#36947;&#65306;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#22312; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:02:18 +0800, Fred James
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fredjame at fredjame.cnc.net</A>&gt;&gt; &#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I had also tried to translate the text. In Chinese there's
+</I>&gt;<i> really no words
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; match up with the meaning of fork in English. But, I think
+</I>&gt;<i> using the word
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; branch in Chinese: &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot;, would fit in the meaning in the text.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Exact translation for &quot;branch&quot;, but it won't fit the meaning of
+</I>&gt;<i> fork.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My dictionary gives &quot;&#20998;&#21449;&quot; as the translation of fork, do you
+</I>&gt;<i> think this word is also not quite right?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> Don't you have a tool in agriculture that is used to handle the hay?
+</I>&gt;<i> It is called &quot;Pitchfork&quot;, look here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork.">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitchfork.</A> Could it be an alternative? I
+</I>&gt;<i> think this is the origin to the verb &quot;fork&quot; somehow.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 25/09/2010 14:03, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
+</I>To say that Java is &quot;higher level&quot; than C++ is absolutely meaningless.
+&gt;&gt;<i> - low level libraries can still be done in C/C++ with well crafted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bindings to high level languages
+</I>There is no such thing as C/C++. There is C language on the one hand
+and C++ language on the other. Two very different languages (even if C++
+includes most of C language).
+C++ is on a par with Java as far as &quot;level&quot; is concerned.
+Of course you can prefer one over the other : that is a quite different
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+</I>&gt;<i> Slowness of Java is a myth now a day.
+</I>You're correct here. I recently rewrote a C financial analysis program
+(extremely CPU-intensive) in Java, and it actually ran much faster. The
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+</I>&gt;<i> That said, I believe that improving productivity of developers is part of
+</I>&gt;<i> the solution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How can it be done ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Short answer : by using language of higher level than C or C++.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which one ? : Java, D, Vala.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why these ? because they provide :
+</I>&gt;<i> - garbage collectors (or some sort of for Vala) which eliminate the 1st
+</I>&gt;<i> source of bugs in C/C++ (dangling pointers &amp; memory leaks)
+</I>&gt;<i> - object oriented programming (C++ also) and GNU/Linux is full of objects
+</I>&gt;<i> (Gobject in Gnome, Kobject in linux driver model, etc)
+</I>
+I think it is not so simple. There is no magic language that allows to
+write programs quickly without any bugs. All languages have different
+advantages, are adapted for different tasks, and usually everybody will
+disagree on which one is the best ...
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:12, P. Christeas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I think this is not an answer to the conversation. But it is perfect as a
+</I>&gt;<i> flamebait.
+</I>&gt;<i> You expect the Mageia installation to depend on Oracle, then
+</I>Sorry to contradict you but less monitoring of Bugzilla can be achieve
+by less bug reports and better quality and productivity of developpers.
+
+About Java status, may I suggest you to read carefully what the FSF
+says, at last (headnote) about Java :
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+<A HREF="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.htm">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/java-trap.htm</A>
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+Btw I am not an Oracle fan at all ; I think very seriously to replace
+virtualbox with Qemu.
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+No flamebait, just discussion. ;)
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+Cheers
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+I like this one too but I think it is to close to this old mandrake logo :
+<A HREF="http://www.seeklogo.com/tag.html?q=Linux">http://www.seeklogo.com/tag.html?q=Linux</A>
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+Hat, magic wand, star. If Mageia wants to be different from Mandriva,
+shouldn't we choose a really different logo ?
+And red hat's logo is a hat too...
+
+Chag
+
+Le 25/09/2010 15:16, Maurice Batey a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:59:23 +0000, Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5010754463/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/42998910@N02/5010754463/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Love that one!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+&quot;Ca ne marche pas&quot; ne veut rien dire. Alors ne dites rien (ou d&#233;veloppez !)
+&quot;it doesn't work&quot; means nothing. So, say nothing (or say more !)
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:22, Remy CLOUARD a &#233;crit :
+[...]
+&gt;<i> Many end user tools are developped in python for this reason, because
+</I>&gt;<i> python has the reputation of being easy to learn (though arguably perl
+</I>&gt;<i> or ruby do their job well in that area too). Two well-known examples
+</I>&gt;<i> in these area are networkmanager and system-config-printer.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is means for Mageia ? Nothing for the moment, there are so many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urgent thinks to do ;) But in the future I would like to help to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> promote high level language programming in Mageia community.
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest you to add yourself in this page :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> add some entries in the language list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need java experts, and vala and D are interesting too :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>I didn't mention python although I know it is used a lot by Ubuntu dev.
+because, despite being a powerful language that I really appreciate, it
+is a script language. It means that if there is an error in some part of
+the code that is not executed during the test, you can't see it until
+someone falls into. This kind of risk is dramatically reduced when using
+a compiled language.
+
+Ok I will add myself in packaging team, but I will really need to be
+trained to be useful.
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+Cheers
+Farfouille
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Software actually developed by the MDV community is a small
+</I>&gt;<i> percentage of the distro. Most of it is written by upstream developers,
+</I>&gt;<i> who will use whatever they like.
+</I>I know that. But I think that providing solid bindings to high level
+languages, can be for Mageia a* *differentiation point among other
+distros.**
+&gt;<i> 2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small
+</I>&gt;<i> percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of
+</I>&gt;<i> problem you describe. Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues.
+</I>I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've often
+experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place if
+it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to dive
+into the code and fix it.
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+&gt;<i> Alternatively, I think the footer doesn't help much, so maybe it should
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+In a fully dictatorial and autocratic way, I have removed the footer
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+<PRE>Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 &#224; 04:40 -0700, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way
+</I>&gt;<i> for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Neither all users knows programming and packaging software. Most of them uses
+</I>&gt;<i> a computer only for basic tasks, like listen music, read email and browse the Internet.
+</I>
+Well, that's doesn't mean that the more scalable way is not what I
+propose. Just that my conclusion is not applicable, which I recognized
+in my mail.
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+The optimum is attained when the ratio is 1 to 1 ( imho ). If not, then
+we are not in the optimum. If we aren't, then bugs may not be fixed in
+time, that's all.
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+<PRE>Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 &#224; 13:19 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/25 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So to conclude, as arrogant and elitist it will sound, the best way for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; everybody to have a bug fixed is to fix it yourself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is neither arrogant nor elitist, it is logical thinking. But at
+</I>&gt;<i> the same time it is unrealistic, as a lot of logical thinking is. :(
+</I>
+I didn't say the goal was attainable, I quite explicitly said the
+contrary in fact :)
+
+&gt;<i> Only a small percentage of users is able to write a good bug report,
+</I>&gt;<i> much less users would be able to squash the simplest of bugs (like
+</I>&gt;<i> fixing a broken dependency in a package, broken by a typo of the
+</I>&gt;<i> packager or similar).
+</I>
+Then we need to grow this number. And for us, the first step to grow it
+requires us to think positively ( ie, say that users can, instead of
+saying &quot;no, most of them won't, so we should not bother them&quot; ), and
+maybe to prioritize about those who do the first step toward
+contribution ( now, that should sound elitist ).
+
+
+&gt;<i> As we have already said here we first need
+</I>&gt;<i> people who help other people writing bug reports - this may be
+</I>&gt;<i> possible for a certain percentage of users, for others it may not
+</I>&gt;<i> because they may not care.
+</I>
+Indeed, helping would be a first step.
+
+It will not solve the problem soon, but we shouldn't be defeatist saying
+&quot;people will never be able to learn&quot;. Most of them can at least learn
+enough to understand. Maybe not how to fix bugs. Maybe not how to report
+bugs. But at least, they can learn why it take time, and why their bugs
+are not fixed yet.
+
+A little bit of comprehension can surely do a lot to reduce frustration
+as expressed by Juergen Harms.
+
+And some of them can become indeed contributors.
+
+I knew Nicolas Lecureil before he had any kind of alias on any kind of
+project, and have seen how he learned all its way up from a non tech
+related job and studies to become the kde chief we all know.
+
+He is the living proof this can happen. And he is not the only one in
+our community.
+
+&gt;<i> What you are talking about is the user who is already committed to be
+</I>&gt;<i> involved, the community which is discussing here and elsewhere. But
+</I>&gt;<i> the majority of users, even in a free non-commercial environment, is
+</I>&gt;<i> not out for an involvement, they want to use the software.
+</I>
+If the previous conclusion was not elitist and arrogant enough, this one
+should do the trick : Just using free software is likely to not be
+sustainable enough in the long term.
+
+Some people just want to use, that's fine. I also do.
+
+But I also know that I can because some others people gave their time to
+make this happen. I know that not everybody want to give time to make
+free software happen, because others things are more important for them
+( family, other important causes, job, etc ), and that's fine too.
+
+But to me, there is difference between not caring by lack of time, and
+not caring by ignorance.
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+Michael Scherer
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:49, Cassian Braconnnier a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> To say that Java is &quot;higher level&quot; than C++ is absolutely meaningless.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C++ is on a par with Java as far as &quot;level&quot; is concerned.
+</I>
+Sorry to contradict you but no there are not, C++ has direct pointer
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+&gt;<i>Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 &#224; 09:43 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>
+&gt;<i>Now, I just need to find a good message about etiquette to send on first
+</I>&gt;<i>subscription. ( help welcome ).
+</I>
+I propose:
+
+&quot; Please do read:
+
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_(Rules">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_(Rules</A>)
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Any news about this chinese translation?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hello,
+We have a traditional chinese(zh-TW) translation here:
+<A HREF="http://groups.google.com.tw/group/mageia-taiwan/t/25d6ce75f3c72e21">http://groups.google.com.tw/group/mageia-taiwan/t/25d6ce75f3c72e21</A>
+
+However, I don't write or read simplified chinese (zh-CN), so I cannot
+give suggestion for that.
+
+Regards,
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+&gt;<i> Le 25/09/2010 14:23, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :**
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) Of the bugs reported against MDV-developed software, only a small
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> percentage have to do with crashes that can be traced to the type of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> problem you describe. Most are behavioral issues or packaging issues.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree about packaging issues. But for behavioral issues, I've often
+</I>&gt;<i> experienced that is easier to code it right at the first place if
+</I>&gt;<i> it is 20 lines long than if it is 100. Or at least it is easier to
+</I>&gt;<i> dive into the code and fix it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>By &quot;behavioral&quot;, I don't mean bug as in unintended behavior, but
+behavior intended by the developer with which most of the users
+disagree, e.g. make this the default rather than that.
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+<PRE>Le 25/09/2010 15:09, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le samedi 25 septembre 2010 &#224; 09:43 +0200, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Alternatively, I think the footer doesn't help much, so maybe it should
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be erased.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In a fully dictatorial and autocratic way, I have removed the footer
+</I>&gt;<i> from the messages on -discuss and -dev. If this cause too much problem
+</I>&gt;<i> ( like people unable to find the web interface ), I will add them back.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, I just need to find a good message about etiquette to send on first
+</I>&gt;<i> subscription. ( help welcome ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Here is the message send every to the XFCE mailing-list subscriber :
+(sorry, it's quite long)
+
+Hi!
+
+Welcome to the Xfce users mailing list FAQ. This e-mail will provide you
+with some valuable clues and hints on getting your questions about Xfce
+answered, either by hints on where to find the documentation or support
+or direct answers to the most common questions. This FAQ message is sent
+periodically to the Xfce users mailinglist and to new users.
+
+You will also find some more general tips and pointers about this
+mailinglist and the Xfce project, such as related projects and groups.
+Feel free to suggest additional content to this FAQ, by sending it to
+the maintainer of this FAQ (listed at the bottom).
+
+
+Index:
+
+o General mailinglist information
+o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)
+o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?
+o So what if I need help?
+o I've read the websites and I still need help!
+o No disclaimers please
+o Quoting style?
+o What about you guys?
+o Most commonly asked questions
+o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer
+
+
+
+o General mailinglist information
+
+The Xfce users mailinglist is hosted at our joint project servers
+(foo-projects.org) and uses &quot;mailman&quot; to interface users, subscriptions
+and stuff like that. You will need to be subscribed to post to the
+mailinglists. Here are some useful links to interface with the mailinglists:
+
+View all lists: <A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo</A>
+Subscribe/Unsubscribe: <A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</A>
+Online Archive: <A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</A>
+
+
+o Which lists are there? (and what are they for?)
+
+There are &quot;developer&quot; and &quot;user&quot; lists. The general (this) user mailing
+list for Xfce is &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce at xfce.org</A>&quot;. This is the typical list to discuss
+problems that might not be bugs, questions for help, exchanging tips and
+tricks and general news that might interest any Xfce user.
+
+If you wish to discuss development issues and bugs, please refer to the
+development mailing list &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce4-dev at xfce.org</A>&quot;. There is an obsolete list
+called &quot;xfce-dev&quot; as well but since all of the development is done on
+xfce version 4 this list is not used.
+
+Specific lists also exist for translations (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce-i18n at xfce.org</A>),
+announcements from the Xfce team (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce-announce at xfce.org</A>), commits and
+autogenerated messages (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce4-commits at xfce.org</A>, <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfce-bugs at xfce.org</A>).
+
+Other related projects also sometimes have mailinglists, some of them
+are not hosted on foo-projects.org:
+
+xfc: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">xfc-dev at xfce.org</A>
+thunar: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">thunar-dev at xfce.org</A>
+xfce goodies: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">goodies-dev at xfce.org</A>
+
+
+o Which Xfce user/project groups exist?
+
++ The Xfce team - This is the main Xfce development group that develops
+the Xfce Desktop Environment. This group provides the core items of the
+Xfce desktop such as session manager, window manager, panel, Xfce
+libraries and such. This team also takes care of some Xfce applications
+such as Xfmedia, Orage, Xffm, thunar etc. -&gt; <A HREF="http://xfce.org/">http://xfce.org/</A>
+
++ The Xfce i18n team - a enthusiastic group of translators from all
+over the world is working actively on updating and adding new translations
+to the Xfce components. -&gt; <A HREF="http://i18n.xfce.org/">http://i18n.xfce.org/</A>
+
++ The Xfce Goodies group - Any 3rd-party Xfce application is considered
+an automatic member of the goodies team. The team shares a website at
+<A HREF="http://goodies.xfce.org/">http://goodies.xfce.org/</A> and hosts a public SVN repository. Everyone is
+welcome to contribute his Xfce application here!
+
++ Individual Xfce projects - Many Xfce developers and enthusiasts have
+contributed or developed Xfce applications themselves. Some are too
+large (xfc -&gt; <A HREF="http://xfc.xfce.org/,">http://xfc.xfce.org/,</A> pyxfce -&gt; <A HREF="http://pyxfce.xfce.org/">http://pyxfce.xfce.org/</A>)
+to be a goody and have their own website. You can find all of them on
+the Xfce Directory (once it's finished!). -&gt; <A HREF="http://directory.xfce.org/">http://directory.xfce.org/</A>
+
+
+o So what if I need help?
+
+Getting help might be easier then you think. There's no phone number you
+can call for Xfce support but we do have a large group of people that
+are willing to help you in other ways. Here's a short list of them:
+
+Official documentation: <A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/</A>
+User Forum: <A HREF="http://forum.xfce.org/">http://forum.xfce.org/</A>
+IRC channel: <A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce">irc://irc.freenode.net/#xfce</A>
+Wiki: <A HREF="http://wiki.xfce.org/">http://wiki.xfce.org/</A>
+Bugreports: <A HREF="http://bugzilla.xfce.org/">http://bugzilla.xfce.org/</A>
+List archives: <A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce</A>
+
+Other FAQ's exist and may prove useful to you:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq">http://www.spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/xfce4/index.php#faq</A>
+
+
+o I've read the websites and I still need help!
+
+Asking on a mailing list for help is hard: Everyone will read your
+question and will criticise you if you submit a question in the wrong
+way. Here's some hints to maximize the chances that you get what you
+want as quickly as possible:
+
++ Do some research first
++ Ask the right people
++ When asking in IRC, ask for pointers to help, not the explanation
++ When asking in mailinglists, format your mail properly
++ Use english
++ Be specific and detailed (but not too much)
++ Re-post the solution so others can learn
+
+If you follow these rules everyone will be happy to help you! But don't
+be afraid to ask though, this mailinglists is exactly for asking questions!
+
+There's a good in-depth document that explains the etiquette that most
+senior ML members follow. You should read this if you become a frequent
+ML poster as it explains _why_ we write this way in a really good way:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html">http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html</A>
+
+Take 15 minutes to read this document, it will help you later and you
+will understand much better how to get your question answered.
+
+
+o No disclaimers please
+
+If you are posting from an email account where a legal disclaimer is
+automatically appended to your outgoing messages, please disable it.
+If you cannot, please use a different email account, or register for a
+free webmail account (GMail, Yahoo, etc.). Note that such a disclaimer
+means very little when you post an email to a public mailing list with
+public archives. Extraneous disclaimer text in email can make your
+message harder to read, and tends to add a lot of useless content when
+messages are replied to repeatedly. Remember that you're posting to
+a community of hundreds of people, and it's impolite to use up their
+time unnecessarily.
+
+
+o Quoting style?
+
+It's very hard to understand a thread of messages if they become replies
+to replies and everyone mixes quoting styles. That's why there is
+something called &quot;quoting style&quot;, that describes how you should quote
+the previous posters contents when you reply to a mailinglist message.
+
+We prefer that you use &quot;Top quoting&quot;. That means that you should put
+your reply _below_ (Put the quote on top/above your reply) the original
+poster's message. That way the contents are in chronological order and
+you can read the entire message thread without figuring out where the
+reply belongs.
+
+Here's a good FAQ on how to quote:
+
+<A HREF="http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html">http://web.presby.edu/~nnqadmin/nnq/nquote.html</A>
+
+Basically:
+
++ quote at the top
++ prune text from the quote that is irrelevant
++ remove footers and headers (condense)
++ put the reply directly next to (in between) the original text
+
+
+o What about you guys?
+
+Well we're just a bunch of geeks (we need girls) who like Xfce... Most
+of us work on Xfce outside of our normal daily occupation such as real
+work or real study (except some lucky people who do both). If you're
+interested in getting to know the Xfce team a bit closer (and are okay
+with a little abuse, being teased or ignored etc) you're welcome to join
+us on our IRC channel (#xfce on the freenode IRC network) or read our
+blogs. This might not always be about Xfce but that's life. -&gt;
+<A HREF="http://blog.xfce.org/">http://blog.xfce.org/</A>
+
+
+o Most commonly asked questions
+
+There are a few questions that get asked much more often then any other.
+We hope we can provide you with the information here to find out for
+yourself how to find more information about them.
+
++ How can I start up applications (to a specific desktop | when I lauch
+Xfce)?
+
+Use the session-manager. If you still have problems with some
+applications not behaving or remembering their desktop number then you
+might consider using &quot;devilspie&quot;. You can add links to applications in
+~/Desktop/Autostart, but the session-manager also remembers which
+applications you had running when you last logged out (and saved your
+session!), and will start them again (so don't close your applications
+before logging out!)
+
++ Can I replace Xfce program X with my favorite program Y?
+
+Yes, you can. Xfce is developed with the idea of modularity in mind in
+all components. This means that you can replace xfwm4 with another
+window manager, replace xfdesktop with rox or idesk, or even nautilus.
+Most of the times you can just kill the xfce component and start the
+application you want to run instead, and use the session manager to
+save your session when you exit.
+
++ How can I shutdown my computer in Xfce?
+
+Read
+<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-session#xfsm-shutdown</A>
+
++ Can I install multiple Xfce versions concurrently?
+
+You can actually, but it's a nightmare if you install one of them in a
+system-default location. The best thing to do is to install every Xfce
+version in a non-system location like /opt/xfce/$(XFCE_VERSION) and
+adjust your LD_LIBRARY_PATH and PATH to point to the preferred version
+at run time.
+
++ My desktop or desktop menu has disappeared!?
+
+It appears that xfdesktop is no longer in control of the desktop. Often
+xfdesktop has died, or some other program took over the desktop. Make
+sure that xfdesktop is still running first. Nautilus takes over the
+desktop by default too. Please start nautilus with the --no-desktop
+flag, or use gconf-editor and unset the flag that tells nautilus to
+handle the desktop (/apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop). Start
+xfdesktop again and you should be OK again.
+
++ How do I edit the system application menu?
+
+The menu is partially autogenerated by xfdesktop. If you want to just
+delete or add one or two applications, add the proper .desktop file
+(usually in /usr/share/applications). With the xfce4-menueditor, you can
+completely customize the menu.
+
++ What other (hidden) settings exist?
+
+A lot. Take a look into the manual for hidden settings for each
+component.
+<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfwm4#hidden_options</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk">http://www.xfce.org/documentation/4.2/manuals/xfce4-panel#panel-kiosk</A>
+
++ Where can I get Xfce packages for XXX?
+
+The up-to-date list of other packages is found on our website and includes
+links to debian, suse, freebsd etc. packages for Xfce. Please visit:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org/download/">http://www.xfce.org/download/</A>
+
+o Xfce ML FAQ - maintainer
+
+The current FAQ maintainer is: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sofar at foo-projects.org</A>
+
+_______________________________________________
+Xfce mailing list
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Xfce at xfce.org</A>
+<A HREF="http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce">http://foo-projects.org/mailman/listinfo/xfce</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.xfce.org">http://www.xfce.org</A>
+
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+Le 25/09/2010 14:53, Frank Griffin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> However, the size of the Java runtime may be a problem when it comes to
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging the install...
+</I>Sure it can be (about 80 mo for openjdk rpm on Fedora 13). This is
+something that should be work out.
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+Le 25/09/2010 15:13, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+
+[...]
+&gt;<i> I think it is not so simple. There is no magic language that allows to
+</I>&gt;<i> write programs quickly without any bugs. All languages have different
+</I>&gt;<i> advantages, are adapted for different tasks, and usually everybody will
+</I>&gt;<i> disagree on which one is the best ...
+</I>Of course there is no magic language and I am not saying that every body
+should shift on Java ;). Only that higher the language is (read object
+oriented, garbage collected, compiled) more productive are the dev,
+clearer can be the overall architecture of applications, easier it is to
+dive into the code and at last better can be the quality (I write 'can'
+because there is no silver bullet).
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+ from Farfouille &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">farfouille64 at free.fr</A>&gt; who wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> If one compare a C/Gobject program with its equivalent in Vala, it is
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious that it will have fewer bugs in Vala version, just because there
+</I>&gt;<i> less lines of code hence less places where bugs can hide.
+</I>
+This argument does not hold water. I used to program in APL, progs were
+usually very short (a complex prog had less than a few dozen lines), and could
+be full of bugs.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ - Ungl&#252;cklich das Land, das keine Helden hat !...
+ - Nein. Ungl&#252;cklich das Land, das Helden n&#246;tig hat.
+ -- Bertolt Brecht
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+
+I just notice that there is no mention of the licence for the blog entry
+and the website. I suppose it's just a omission and that the chosen
+licence is a free licence (or an open-source, not the place for this
+debate).
+Can you tell me which one is chosen ?
+
+Thank you
+
+Marianne
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>Don't want to be the &quot;bad guy&quot;, but you &quot;M&quot; reminds me to the mIRC logo.
+
+IMHO that people is trying to use &quot;M&quot; at any cost. I think that you
+could let your imagination fly free beyond the &quot;M&quot; and try with more
+abstract logos or logos based on the ideas inspired by Mageia (freedom
+- community - equality - etc).
+
+And, as I said in previous e-mails, IMHO that you should keep ti simple:
+
+<A HREF="http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg">http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg">http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg">http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg">http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg">http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg">http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg</A>
+
+Maybe too much examples, but that's what I think a logo should be.
+Simple, strong, different. Some logos doesn't include the brand as a
+word, but I guess marketing guys will work later to &quot;force&quot; people to
+associate the logo with the brand in the same way you do it when you
+see the Nike pipe without the word &quot;Nike&quot;.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+tavillo180
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+In order to start organizing the project a little, and to reuse the
+model used by several others distributions ( mandriva for example ), a
+list dedicated to translation and internationalisation have been
+created.
+
+Unsurprisingly, the name is mageia-i18n, and as the others, can be
+subscribed online using <A HREF="http://mageia.org/mailman/.">http://mageia.org/mailman/.</A> I have also send a
+subscription request to gmane
+( <A HREF="http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.i18n">http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.linux.mageia.i18n</A> ), and it should appear
+soon.
+
+So while I do not expect it to have a tremendous impact on the traffic
+here, I hope this will help everybody to focus on the part of the work
+that interest them.
+
+So if you are interested in translation, I advice you to subscribe on
+it. We will try to direct translation request here, but please bear with
+us if we forget. We will also use it to contact people for
+internationalisation issues or process, like discussing what to use,
+etc, etc.
+
+And I also hope this can be a friendly hub for discussions between
+translators and people interested in the subject.
+
+If you have any questions, please respond on mageia-discuss.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>Same that I said in other thread about logos:
+
+IMHO that people is trying to use &quot;M&quot; at any cost. I think that you
+could let your imagination fly free beyond the &quot;M&quot; and try with more
+abstract logos or logos based on the ideas inspired by Mageia (freedom
+- community - equality - etc).
+
+And, as I said in previous e-mails, IMHO that you should keep ti simple:
+
+<A HREF="http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg">http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg">http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg">http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg">http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg">http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg">http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg</A>
+
+Maybe too much examples, but that's what I think a logo should be.
+Simple, strong, different. Some logos doesn't include the brand as a
+word, but I guess marketing guys will work later to &quot;force&quot; people to
+associate the logo with the brand in the same way you do it when you
+see the Nike pipe without the word &quot;Nike&quot;.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+tavillo180
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+Le 25/09/2010 16:54, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 25 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Farfouille&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">farfouille64 at free.fr</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If one compare a C/Gobject program with its equivalent in Vala, it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> obvious that it will have fewer bugs in Vala version, just because there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> less lines of code hence less places where bugs can hide.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This argument does not hold water. I used to program in APL, progs were
+</I>&gt;<i> usually very short (a complex prog had less than a few dozen lines), and could
+</I>&gt;<i> be full of bugs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>Please don't compare APL with the languages aforementioned.
+Quote from Wikipedia about APL :
+&quot;Because of its condensed nature and non-standard characters, APL has
+sometimes been termed a &quot;write-only language
+&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-only_language">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Write-only_language</A>&gt;&quot;, and reading an APL
+program can at first feel like decoding Egyptian hieroglyphics
+&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphics">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_hieroglyphics</A>&gt;. Because of the
+unusual character set &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_set">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_set</A>&gt;, many
+programmers use special keyboards
+&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_keyboard">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_keyboard</A>&gt; with APL keytops for
+authoring APL code.&quot;
+
+My argument is about C/Gobject and Vala not about any languages. Vala
+has been developed with the goal of easing Glib programming. That's why
+the comparison of program length makes sense.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Farfouille.
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+But it only works where these authors are somewhere within reach. In
+case where the author is somewhere upstream that will be difficult.
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+Btw upstream bugs: this is another argument illustrating where the
+reporting user cannot do much.Normally, he will not sign up - if he is
+an active bugreporter on several - bugzillas. Take the example of KDE
+bugzilla: even if the user signs up - he far less chance to make his
+word heard than - in this example Nicolas Lecureil.
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+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Same that I said in other thread about logos:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO that people is trying to use &quot;M&quot; at any cost. I think that you
+</I>&gt;<i> could let your imagination fly free beyond the &quot;M&quot; and try with more
+</I>&gt;<i> abstract logos or logos based on the ideas inspired by Mageia (freedom
+</I>&gt;<i> - community - equality - etc).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And, as I said in previous e-mails, IMHO that you should keep ti simple:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg">http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg&lt;http://174.122.2.131/%7Ecali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg">http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg&lt;http://174.122.2.131/%7Ecali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg">http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg">http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg">http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg">http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe too much examples, but that's what I think a logo should be.
+</I>&gt;<i> Simple, strong, different. Some logos doesn't include the brand as a
+</I>&gt;<i> word, but I guess marketing guys will work later to &quot;force&quot; people to
+</I>&gt;<i> associate the logo with the brand in the same way you do it when you
+</I>&gt;<i> see the Nike pipe without the word &quot;Nike&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo180
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think that &quot;M&quot; managed to express joy and freedom, but it is a bit forced.
+All these logos are good examples to follow (except GE, I think it is
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Don't want to be the &quot;bad guy&quot;, but you &quot;M&quot; reminds me to the mIRC logo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO that people is trying to use &quot;M&quot; at any cost. I think that you
+</I>&gt;<i> could let your imagination fly free beyond the &quot;M&quot; and try with more
+</I>&gt;<i> abstract logos or logos based on the ideas inspired by Mageia (freedom
+</I>&gt;<i> - community - equality - etc).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And, as I said in previous e-mails, IMHO that you should keep ti simple:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg">http://alecrios.com/img/logos.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg">http://174.122.2.131/~cali925/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/ge-logo.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg">http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-T6aCNFrpgw/SwDusWgv7jI/AAAAAAAAAIA/-5qYQ5rtzOI/s320/adidaslogo.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg">http://i.ehow.com/images/a04/ij/t4/design-awesome-logo-200X200.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg">http://www.freelancelogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/one_color_logo_design_9.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg">http://www.royaltutorial.com/images/famous-logo-tutorials/famlogo19.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg">http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/95/88/6195884_std.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe too much examples, but that's what I think a logo should be.
+</I>&gt;<i> Simple, strong, different. Some logos doesn't include the brand as a
+</I>&gt;<i> word, but I guess marketing guys will work later to &quot;force&quot; people to
+</I>&gt;<i> associate the logo with the brand in the same way you do it when you
+</I>&gt;<i> see the Nike pipe without the word &quot;Nike&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo180
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+I have to agree here. I don't like the M you use, but the colors and
+the quality are great.
+
+The logo could be a figure or something, take Firefox, Amsn, Gimp or
+audacity as an example
+--
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Logo doesn't need have Mageia word or M letter, but need be something that
+</I>&gt;<i> people look and associate with distro. See Apple logo: there is no Apple
+</I>&gt;<i> word or A letter, but when we look for that stylized frui, we know that is
+</I>&gt;<i> talking about Steve Job's company.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The association comes later, after a long time of seeing the logo in
+the products and/or publicity. The same example could be Nike and the
+others Gustavo sent. Take the firefox logo, it comes with the
+application but we recognize it after weeks of using it ;)
+
+
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+<PRE>W dniu 2010-09-25 20:18, Andr&#233; Machado pisze:
+&gt;<i> Logo doesn't need have Mageia word or M letter, but need be
+</I>&gt;<i> something that people look and associate with distro. See Apple
+</I>&gt;<i> logo: there is no Apple word or A letter, but when we look for that
+</I>&gt;<i> stylized frui, we know that is talking about Steve Job's company.
+</I>
+I can't agree with you. It's not the logo that makes a product
+recognizable but the product itself. And it doesn't matter if it
+contains the brand name or first letter in it - if the product is of a
+great quality, people will remember both a name and a logo.
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+
+&gt;<i> So if you are interested in translation, I advice you to subscribe on
+</I>&gt;<i> it. We will try to direct translation request here, but please bear with
+</I>&gt;<i> us if we forget. We will also use it to contact people for
+</I>&gt;<i> internationalisation issues or process, like discussing what to use,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I also hope this can be a friendly hub for discussions between
+</I>&gt;<i> translators and people interested in the subject.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have any questions, please respond on mageia-discuss.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Somewhat out of topic, but related :
+</I>
+I am aware that it is way too early to go into this now, but I mention, in
+case anybody is interested, that I have a long term interest in (and have
+'high level' plans to make it possible) a simplified variant of automatic
+translation.
+
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+ <B>miodragz</B>
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+ Thanx
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 17:56, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So if you are interested in translation, I advice you to subscribe on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it. We will try to direct translation request here, but please bear with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> us if we forget. We will also use it to contact people for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> internationalisation issues or process, like discussing what to use,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> etc, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And I also hope this can be a friendly hub for discussions between
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> translators and people interested in the subject.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you have any questions, please respond on mageia-discuss.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Somewhat out of topic, but related :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am aware that it is way too early to go into this now, but I mention, in
+</I>&gt;<i> case anybody is interested, that I have a long term interest in (and have
+</I>&gt;<i> 'high level' plans to make it possible) a simplified variant of automatic
+</I>&gt;<i> translation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Frederic
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There is no way to make true translation by automatic tools.
+Translators must do translations string by string. At least they must
+review translations. But we are discussing using transifex to ease
+translation process. Come and join us on i18n mailing list.
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-09-25 20:18, Andr&#233; Machado pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;Logo doesn't need have Mageia word or M letter, but need be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;something that people look and associate with distro. See Apple
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;logo: there is no Apple word or A letter, but when we look for that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;stylized frui, we know that is talking about Steve Job's company.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can't agree with you. It's not the logo that makes a product recognizable
+</I>&gt;<i> but the product itself. And it doesn't matter if it contains the brand name
+</I>&gt;<i> or first letter in it - if the product is of a great quality, people will
+</I>&gt;<i> remember both a name and a logo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Mandriva Turkiye admin Emir created some logos for Mageia. You can
+look at them on
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/29757814@N02/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/29757814@N02/</A>
+
+Btw, i like mageia1 logo. Also blue and yellow fit together very well.
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+&gt;<i> First, my English is not good but I try
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better
+</I>&gt;<i> if it were completely different and a crystal environment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I agree. The look needs to be completely different.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 4:05 AM, J&#233;j&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jeje-mageia at sfr.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've got an idea for a logo, but unfortunately not the skills to do it :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe the theme could interest someone that got them.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So I thought to a stylish phoenix :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - it's a magical bird, so that symbolize well mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - mageia could be called a rebirth
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - the theme of a magical bird is present in a lot of cultures (persian,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chinese, south-american ...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Firebird, Thunderbird have it...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Did you see ignacio's submission
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Did you see ignacio's submission
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">carlos.gilarranz at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; First, my English is not good but I try
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be
+</I>&gt;<i> better
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; if it were completely different and a crystal environment.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree. The look needs to be completely different.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Hoyt
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Did you see ignacio's submission
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/11242801@N04/5023404059/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I prefer this:
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-mageia-art#/photos/54240048@N08/5013673327/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">carlos.gilarranz at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; First, my English is not good but I try
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> better
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; if it were completely different and a crystal environment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree. The look needs to be completely different.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hoyt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Me too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+Agree, especially chrystal clear sounds fresh, like new beginnings.
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+<PRE>2010/9/25 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It will not solve the problem soon, but we shouldn't be defeatist saying
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;people will never be able to learn&quot;. Most of them can at least learn
+</I>&gt;<i> enough to understand. Maybe not how to fix bugs. Maybe not how to report
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs. But at least, they can learn why it take time, and why their bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> are not fixed yet.
+</I>
+Nothing to say agains tthis one. It does not contradict what I wrote.
+
+&gt;<i> But to me, there is difference between not caring by lack of time, and
+</I>&gt;<i> not caring by ignorance.
+</I>
+Of course, nobody talked about ignorance, you did not, I did not.
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+On Sep 25, 2010, at 3:47 PM, atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Mandriva Turkiye admin Emir created some logos for Mageia. You can
+</I>&gt;<i> look at them on
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/29757814@N02/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/29757814@N02/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Btw, i like mageia1 logo. Also blue and yellow fit together very well.
+</I>
+Hi!
+
+I like Mageia4 and Mageia1 the most.
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+<PRE>Afmachado,
+
+I Just want to know if it was discussed here or is a independent project.
+
+
+Em Sex 24 Set 2010, &#224;s 23:48:31, Andr&#233; Machado escreveu:
+&gt;<i> --- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> From: &quot;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: [Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 23:40:46 -0300
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ol&#225;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> who knows about site megeia-br?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The creation of site mageia-br (<A HREF="http://mageia-br.org/">http://mageia-br.org/</A>) occurred with
+</I>&gt;<i> the agreement / probation this forum or IRC?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> brazilian community of Mandriva users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________ Mageia-discuss
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> According to what I could ascertain, mageia-br.org was created on Sep 22th
+</I>&gt;<i> and belongs to Ricardo Lucas da Silva. Full owner's information is
+</I>&gt;<i> available at <A HREF="http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/">http://who.is/whois/mageia-br.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another site, with a Mageia forum (!) what home page is pointing to
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org/pt-br is www.mageia.com.br, what belongs to Alfredo Gomes da
+</I>&gt;<i> Silva J&#250;nior .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Who is has contact informations (but .br domains need be viewed at
+</I>&gt;<i> registro.br, what can be difficult to non-portuguese speakers). These
+</I>&gt;<i> infos have Phone and mail address.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _____________________________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <A HREF="http://www.DCemail.com">http://www.DCemail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt; <A HREF="http://www.DCpages.com">http://www.DCpages.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
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+<I>JUAN CARLOS
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+<I>Remy CLOUARD
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+<I>Remy CLOUARD
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+<I>P. Christeas
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+</A><A NAME="1135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
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+<LI><A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
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+<I>DjeZAeL
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+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
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+<LI><A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
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+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
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+
+<LI><A HREF="001235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001246.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001247.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001248.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001244.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001245.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rapha&#235;l Jadot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001240.html">[Mageia-discuss] New list created for i18n
+</A><A NAME="1240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001142.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;j&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Opendesktop group for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001141.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Licence for the blog entry and the website
+</A><A NAME="1229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001180.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001219.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001231.html">[Mageia-discuss] New list created for i18n
+</A><A NAME="1231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Fernando Carrillo Vega
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001145.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001150.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site megeia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001249.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 176
+</A><A NAME="1241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001184.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001185.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001242.html">[Mageia-discuss] New list created for i18n
+</A><A NAME="1242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001285.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>verdeterra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Sep 25 23:31:52 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:32:57 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 25 September 2010 Archive by date</title>
+ <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow">
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>25 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 00:27:21 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 23:31:52 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 121<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001141.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001142.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;j&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001145.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Fernando Carrillo Vega
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001285.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>verdeterra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001150.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001157.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001158.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001159.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001160.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JUAN CARLOS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001161.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001170.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001172.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001180.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001184.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001185.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site megeia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Opendesktop group for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001200.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001203.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001213.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001219.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Licence for the blog entry and the website
+</A><A NAME="1229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001231.html">[Mageia-discuss] New list created for i18n
+</A><A NAME="1231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001240.html">[Mageia-discuss] New list created for i18n
+</A><A NAME="1240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 176
+</A><A NAME="1241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001242.html">[Mageia-discuss] New list created for i18n
+</A><A NAME="1242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001244.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001245.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rapha&#235;l Jadot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001246.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001247.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001248.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001249.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Sep 25 23:31:52 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:32:57 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>25 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 00:27:21 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 23:31:52 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 121<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001141.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001142.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;j&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001157.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001245.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rapha&#235;l Jadot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001246.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001248.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001209.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001158.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001160.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001161.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001185.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001200.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Licence for the blog entry and the website
+</A><A NAME="1229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001213.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001239.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001251.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Fernando Carrillo Vega
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 176
+</A><A NAME="1241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001170.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001184.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001231.html">[Mageia-discuss] New list created for i18n
+</A><A NAME="1231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001240.html">[Mageia-discuss] New list created for i18n
+</A><A NAME="1240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001242.html">[Mageia-discuss] New list created for i18n
+</A><A NAME="1242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JUAN CARLOS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001244.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001247.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001249.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001159.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001180.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Opendesktop group for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001198.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001202.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001203.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001205.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001219.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001145.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001285.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>verdeterra
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001150.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001172.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site megeia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Sep 25 23:31:52 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 19:32:57 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <h1>25 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 00:27:21 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Sep 25 23:31:52 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 121<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285367241- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001129.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285367241-01285400124- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285367438- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001130.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285367438-01285370787- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285367438-01285370787-01285371905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285367438-01285370787-01285371905-01285372475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285367438-01285370787-01285371905-01285372475-01285373382- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285367584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285367584-01285399875- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285367643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001132.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285367643-01285395997- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001158.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285367643-01285395997-01285396703- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001160.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285367643-01285395997-01285396703-01285397477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001161.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285367643-01285395997-01285396703-01285397477-01285398090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001164.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285367643-01285395997-01285396703-01285397477-01285398090-01285406145- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001185.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285367643-01285395997-01285396703-01285397477-01285398090-01285406145-01285407462- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001187.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285367643-01285395997-01285396703-01285397477-01285398090-01285406145-01285407462-01285410939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001190.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285367643-01285395997-01285396703-01285397477-01285398090-01285406145-01285407462-01285410939-01285411533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001192.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285367643-01285395997-01285396703-01285397477-01285398090-01285406145-01285407462-01285410939-01285413690- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001195.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285367643-01285395997-01285396703-01285397477-01285398090-01285406145-01285407462-01285410939-01285413690-01285415800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001200.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285369482- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001133.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285370046- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285370046-01285374228- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285370046-01285374228-01285396094- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285370046-01285382446- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001145.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285370046-01285382446-01285400188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001172.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285370046-01285401215- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285373518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285373518-01285404072- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001182.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about donations
+</A><A NAME="1182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285375227- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001141.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285375227-01285377487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001143.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285375227-01285377487-01285399487- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001169.html">[Mageia-discuss] [PORTUGUESE] Portugal inhabitants: do you want a separated translation?
+</A><A NAME="1169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285376727- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001142.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J&#233;j&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285376727-01285395025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001157.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285376727-01285395025-01285445153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001245.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rapha&#235;l Jadot
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285376727-01285395025-01285445153-01285445486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001246.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285376727-01285395025-01285445153-01285445486-01285445648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001248.html">[Mageia-discuss] An idea of logo
+</A><A NAME="1248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285379177- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cooker's Name
+</A><A NAME="1144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285382911- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001146.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285382911-01285386823- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001285.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1285">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>verdeterra
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285382911-01285400554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001174.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285382968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's slogan in greek
+</A><A NAME="1147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285384149- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001148.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Fernando Carrillo Vega
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285384149-01285385480- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285384149-01285385861- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285384149-01285431115- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285384149-01285431115-01285439016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 1, Issue 162
+</A><A NAME="1237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285386969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001150.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285390671- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285390671-01285406029- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001191.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285390671-01285406029-01285413557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001196.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285390671-01285406029-01285413568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285413568-01285422101- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285413568-01285422101-01285446954- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001201.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285416760- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001204.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285416760-01285421004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001214.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417357- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001206.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417357-01285421491- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417390-01285422250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001217.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417390-01285422250-01285423426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417880- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001208.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417880-01285418944- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001210.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417880-01285418944-01285422900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417880-01285419188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001211.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285417880-01285419188-01285423962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285420381- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285420381-01285424445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285426456- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001228.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285390671-01285406029-01285415895-01285426456-01285432316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Farfouille
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285390671-01285406029-01285416618- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001203.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285390671-01285406029-01285433207- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285390675- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285391792- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285392316- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285392340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001156.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285396252- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001159.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285396252-01285399257- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001168.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285397255- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001162.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JUAN CARLOS
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285397255-01285445144- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001244.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285397255-01285445144-01285445576- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001247.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285397255-01285445144-01285445576-01285446062- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001249.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285398665- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001167.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285399500- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001170.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285399500-01285406004- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001184.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285400374- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285400374-01285401520- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285400374-01285401520-01285402719- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285400374-01285409596- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001188.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285400374-01285409596-01285412652- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001194.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's objectives and foundations
+</A><A NAME="1194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285400602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001178.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285400602-01285420182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285400602-01285420182-01285423048- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285400602-01285420182-01285423682- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285401176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285401523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001180.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285405497- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001183.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285407016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001186.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285411775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001189.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site megeia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1189">&nbsp;</A>
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+--- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
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+From: Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:05:44 -0400
+
+On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">carlos.gilarranz at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> First, my English is not good but I try
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better
+</I>&gt;<i> if it were completely different and a crystal environment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree. The look needs to be completely different.
+
+
+--
+Hoyt
+
+What you think about this green pattern, used by an extinct distro? <A HREF="http://img.efetividade.net/img/debbrcddss1-h320.jpg">http://img.efetividade.net/img/debbrcddss1-h320.jpg</A>
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+&gt;<i> On 22/09/10 10:38, Anne nicolas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Most agree that Mageia's destiny must now be in the hands of the community, and not depend on a company. Yes, but if said company is ready to act as a member of the community (like any of us but with maybe more means), and contribute to the project + do whatever it wants from the free distribution (corporate desktop, MDS, OEM products or anything else), then it's a win-win.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> And I pray again the former Edge-IT employees to avoid simply saying &quot;I don't want to have anything to do with Mandriva&quot;, but rather the more nuanced &quot;I don't want Mageia to depend on Mandriva&quot; !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Na&#239;ve point of view of mine ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not at all. Our goal is to make Mageia a succes for community. And I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> guess we have work enough for now :).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we agree on most things in this thread?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -Olav.
+</I>&gt;<i> ______________________________________________
+</I>Having watched the various opinions on this thread, I think it is very
+important to collaberate with Mandriva to attain the goals of our
+community distribution, as much as is reasonably possible. This
+includes accepting foundation funding, sharing cooker, even Mandriva
+representation on the board -- while maintaining our right to decide our
+future direction.
+In my mind evolving to a RedHat/Fedora relationship would be ideal, but
+if not, look at the success of Mozilla, started with funding from AOL.
+The advantage of an independant Mageia is that we focus on community
+needs, and Mandriva focuses on commercial needs -- quite different
+focuses, even though most of the software can be the same.
+I'm glad to see that Anne is on side, and I hope that Romain will
+continue to contribute to Mageia, as his experience seems invaluable.
+
+- Andr&#233; (just a long-time Mandriva user that hasn't to date contributed
+much more than bug reports. And hopes to continue more actively to the
+first Mageia release.)
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+<PRE>Ahmad - I agree that improving bug responsiveness can also be done from
+within the triage team, and that this team severely suffered from
+understaffing - even without additional tasks on their slate.
+
+To get a better idea about the quantitative requirements (and an idea on
+the X and Y of Michael Scherrer): how many active members are there at
+present in the Mandriva triage team? Given the present size of the
+Mandriva user community (and similar activeness of team members), by
+what factor would you whish to increase the size of the team?
+
+There is also a question of motivation: it is so much more motivating to
+work in a team where you can see the positive results of your work - if
+bugzilla triage and and bug handling gets a more positive image (maybe
+that is also an issue of internal PR), it will be easier to recruit
+volonteers - here lies the principal reason why I only considered to,
+but did not, respond to the &quot;join the triage team&quot; post in Mandriva. And
+motivation becomes even more important in the Mageia volonteer-only
+environment - very OK today, but tomorrow?
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+<PRE>On 26 September 2010 11:04, Juergen Harms &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ahmad - I agree that improving bug responsiveness can also be done from
+</I>&gt;<i> within the triage team, and that this team severely suffered from
+</I>&gt;<i> understaffing - even without additional tasks on their slate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To get a better idea about the quantitative requirements (and an idea on the
+</I>&gt;<i> X and Y of Michael Scherrer): how many active members are there at present
+</I>&gt;<i> in the Mandriva triage team?
+</I>
+Let's say in the past 1-2month, the number of the active triage team
+members is one, with 3-4 others poping in every now and then. Of
+course, it depends on how much free time each member has.
+
+Also you can add to that number the active devs/packagers, who aren't
+triage team members, but who would triage bugs they hit. Also
+previously Frederic Crozat read every bug report, even if he didn't
+post/comment on all of them.
+
+So you could say the collective number of people actively triaging
+bugs is 3-5...
+
+&gt;<i> Given the present size of the Mandriva user
+</I>&gt;<i> community (and similar activeness of team members), by what factor would you
+</I>&gt;<i> whish to increase the size of the team?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As much as possible of course, and best if they're specialized in
+different areas, Perl, Python, C++, Kernel... etc. Also if each one of
+them uses a different DE.
+
+&gt;<i> There is also a question of motivation: it is so much more motivating to
+</I>&gt;<i> work in a team where you can see the positive results of your work - if
+</I>&gt;<i> bugzilla triage and and bug handling gets a more positive image (maybe that
+</I>&gt;<i> is also an issue of internal PR), it will be easier to recruit volonteers -
+</I>&gt;<i> here lies the principal reason why I only considered to, but did not,
+</I>&gt;<i> respond to the &quot;join the triage team&quot; post in Mandriva. And motivation
+</I>&gt;<i> becomes even more important in the Mageia volonteer-only environment - very
+</I>&gt;<i> OK today, but tomorrow?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Triage team always has volunteers rather than paid employees. Adam
+Williamson, paid employee, was triaging bugs where Pacho Ramos and Udo
+Rader were contributors (just names of the top of my head). You see,
+for non-developers, like me, triaging bugs is a good/easier way to
+contribute, (for example I am not a kernel hacker, I can't help with
+kernel stuff in the distro).
+
+To conclude, it's not about how many people are triaging bugs as much
+as it's about how many people are fixing them. A bigger triage team
+without a higher number of devs/packagers fixing bugs isn't gonna
+change the situation that much....
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+&gt;<i> A bigger triage team
+</I>&gt;<i> without a higher number of devs/packagers fixing bugs isn't gonna
+</I>&gt;<i> change the situation that much
+</I>
+Michael Scherrer also insisted on this - I have been somewhat naive, I
+now realise that this is a/the key issue.
+
+Let me continue with the luxury of naivity: the triage team should not
+be let suffer silently in the background, but the &quot;management&quot; should
+make this a concern of distro policy. And, nevertheless: if the triage
+team (or ...) would have a little bit more breath (more active workers)
+for going beyond just distributing bugs among developpers, plus a
+&quot;mandate&quot; from management to lean on and prompt developpers, that should
+also be helpful.
+
+To avoid overdramatising and comment on your first reply: before Mageia
+showed up, I have passed a lot of time on &quot;distro - sniffing&quot;: compared
+to the distros I tried, and in my very subjective aperception, Mandriva
+Linux has a quite low rate of severely annoying bugs. Nevertheless, here
+is an issue to be addressed.
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+I just changed the way I read and reply to Mageia ML but I need some help.
+
+Previously, I read ML using thunderbird, IMAP and TB rules to put ML
+messages in a local folder.
+
+In order to avoid rules and to download every messages, I'm now using
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+
+When I reply to a message, the thread is not broken in the gmane/mageia
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+rules) that I haven't deleted yet.
+
+I don't want to bother ML readers that don't use gmane but I don't know
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+Any help appreciated
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+Cheer,
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+2010/9/24 yvan munoz &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mr.yvan.munoz at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/24 J&#233;r&#244;me Martin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at delaur.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why don't you post this an aufml mailing list ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Because it concern the two parties, and not only aufml
+</I>&gt;<i> But, off course, aufml is the first, trough irc, to have link
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> to be complete and close this thread, you may have seen than an official
+</I>announce has been added at <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/">http://mandrivafr.org/</A>
+by goom : <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/node/850">http://mandrivafr.org/node/850</A>
+
+@++
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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+i too have decided to join mageia : ) i'm marcello anni, i'm 23 years old, i
+study economics and i use mandriva since 2003. i can contribute as italian
+wiki maintainer, as translator (for various tasks) and as promoter/news writer
+and similar.
+
+
+could you summarize in a few words the decisions taken so far in this ML?
+thank you
+
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+cheers,
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+ <B>Lombard Marianne</B>
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+&gt;<i> hi to all,
+</I>&gt;<i> i too have decided to join mageia : ) i'm marcello anni, i'm 23 years old, i
+</I>&gt;<i> study economics and i use mandriva since 2003. i can contribute as italian
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki maintainer, as translator (for various tasks) and as promoter/news writer
+</I>&gt;<i> and similar.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> could you summarize in a few words the decisions taken so far in this ML?
+</I>&gt;<i> thank you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You can register to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</A>
+Mailing-list archives are here :
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+
+Marianne
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+ <I>Sun Sep 26 15:49:31 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Le 26/09/2010 15:30, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; hi to all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i too have decided to join mageia : ) i'm marcello anni, i'm 23 years
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; old, i study economics and i use mandriva since 2003. i can contribute
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as italian wiki maintainer, as translator (for various tasks) and as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; promoter/news writer and similar.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could you summarize in a few words the decisions taken so far in this ML?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thank you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can register to <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mailing-list archives are here :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne
+</I>
+ok, that's better : )
+
+thank you
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+<PRE>hi to all,
+there are enough news to update the blog with a new post? it will be
+interesting to show already how mageia handle (and cares about)
+communication.. another thing too: what do you think about opening a new ML
+related to web mageia services? i think web services have completely different
+needs against mageia-dev ML. please, let me know
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+&gt;<i> (...) compared to
+</I>&gt;<i> the distros I tried, and in my very subjective aperception, Mandriva Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> has a quite low rate of severely annoying bugs. (...)
+</I>
+That has been my experience as well. In the last 10 years,
+Mandriva/Mandrake has been the distro that has annoyed me the least,
+letting me do whatever I wanted with minimal interference: multimedia
+station, development station, home and small business server... you
+name it.
+
+I'd like for Mageia to follow this path.
+
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+Why not use Thunderbird as a news (USENET/NNTP) reader?
+
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> hi to all,
+</I>&gt;<i> i too have decided to join mageia : ) i'm marcello anni, i'm 23 years old, i
+</I>&gt;<i> study economics and i use mandriva since 2003. i can contribute as italian
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki maintainer, as translator (for various tasks) and as promoter/news writer
+</I>&gt;<i> and similar.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> could you summarize in a few words the decisions taken so far in this ML?
+</I>&gt;<i> thank you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Marcello,
+
+Besides the information sent by Lombard, you might want to join the
+internationalization mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-i18n at mageia.org.</A> See Mageia
+i18n mailing list page:
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n</A>
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54167983@N08/5011126293/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
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+<PRE> I am reading all posts, some very interesting on this new exciting
+project.
+But I think that as we say in french : &quot;on met la charrue avant les boeufs&quot;.
+I think the first thing to do is to establish a strategy (which was not
+clear with mandriva): what are the goals, the values of mageia, who is
+the targeted public (newbies and/or people coming from windows and/or
+geeks and/or professionnals and/or ...), what will the communication
+vectors be, how do we want to stand facing concurrence and other distros
+and so on....
+Then you can choose/select logos, colors, window manager(s), software
+included in the distros, development of specific applications...
+depending on the answers to the previous questions.
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+For example my wish would be a generalist distro (like ubuntu) for
+newbies and/or microsoft users, easy to use, eyecandy, completely
+customized in french, much more ergonomic than mandriva in order to
+propose it for my customers (I founded a company to promote Linux and
+opensource to individuals &amp; professionnals). So i would prefer a gnome
+(or e17 let's be crazy !) , with an eyecandy, sobre and zen theme (for
+example I like Dropline neu for the icons and Unity), with applications
+included like simple-scan and deja-dup (for backups) etc...
+These are my wishes but maybe they will not be compatible with mageia
+objectives and final choices. So everyone can see, and hope something
+from Mageia different depending on his sensitivity (one likes kde, the
+other one gnome, the other e17, some like blue themes, green , orange,
+red ...).
+If the objectives are not defined yet, maybe would it be nice to open a
+page in order to gather the wishes of the future community, by themes,
+but step by step: first : the objectives - second : the target - third :
+the look ...
+On the contrary, if all this is already planned, communicate it in order
+to avoid discussions in all directions in lists and blogs...
+
+In other words it would be usefull to put in place tools to drive the
+project in order that the community and potential contributors can go in
+the same direction and agree to the project.
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+Maybe am I a bit pretentious, but this is the feeling that I have
+reading all posts in mailing lists.
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+&gt;<i> &#160;I am reading all posts, some very interesting on this new exciting project.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think that as we say in french : &quot;on met la charrue avant les boeufs&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the first thing to do is to establish a strategy (which was not
+</I>&gt;<i> clear with mandriva): what are the goals, the values of mageia, who is the
+</I>&gt;<i> targeted public (newbies and/or people coming from windows and/or geeks
+</I>&gt;<i> and/or professionnals and/or ...), what will the communication vectors be,
+</I>&gt;<i> how do we want to stand facing concurrence and other distros and so on....
+</I>&gt;<i> Then you can choose/select logos, colors, window manager(s), software
+</I>&gt;<i> included in the distros, development of specific applications... depending
+</I>&gt;<i> on the answers to the previous questions.
+</I>
+As you can read in the Mageiea blog this is in the making. The basic
+goals have been given in the announcement, details are being worked
+on. The mailing lists, especially the general mageia-discuss is a mere
+brainstorming where everybody give shis ideas and opinons, with no
+real structure. The necessary structure is in the making, like the
+i18n mailing lists. Coem structure, come real discussions which will
+lead to results, gathering the current unstructured ideas and forming
+them in the various sections.
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+usenet, forum like structures are far better to navigate and easier to
+use for me. So I tried Gmane, but the web interface is very slow and
+far behind the real discussion. While the web interface showed a first
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+one machine? I'm switching machines several times a day, so one TB or
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+&gt;<i> hi to all,
+</I>&gt;<i> there are enough news to update the blog with a new post? it will be
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting to show already how mageia handle (and cares about)
+</I>&gt;<i> communication.. another thing too: what do you think about opening a new ML
+</I>&gt;<i> related to web mageia services? i think web services have completely different
+</I>&gt;<i> needs against mageia-dev ML. please, let me know
+</I>
+As told by some other people, go to the wiki and have a look, there's
+also the communication &quot;group&quot; where people gather who will be working
+on such things.
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+Right now the few decisions were/are communicated in the blog page,
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+<PRE> OK so let's dream in the mailing lists ?
+
+Le 26/09/2010 18:51, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/26 david&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david.naura at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am reading all posts, some very interesting on this new exciting project.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I think that as we say in french : &quot;on met la charrue avant les boeufs&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think the first thing to do is to establish a strategy (which was not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> clear with mandriva): what are the goals, the values of mageia, who is the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> targeted public (newbies and/or people coming from windows and/or geeks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and/or professionnals and/or ...), what will the communication vectors be,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> how do we want to stand facing concurrence and other distros and so on....
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then you can choose/select logos, colors, window manager(s), software
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> included in the distros, development of specific applications... depending
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on the answers to the previous questions.
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can read in the Mageiea blog this is in the making. The basic
+</I>&gt;<i> goals have been given in the announcement, details are being worked
+</I>&gt;<i> on. The mailing lists, especially the general mageia-discuss is a mere
+</I>&gt;<i> brainstorming where everybody give shis ideas and opinons, with no
+</I>&gt;<i> real structure. The necessary structure is in the making, like the
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n mailing lists. Coem structure, come real discussions which will
+</I>&gt;<i> lead to results, gathering the current unstructured ideas and forming
+</I>&gt;<i> them in the various sections.
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+<PRE>On Sunday 26 September 2010, david wrote:
+&gt;<i> For example my wish would be a generalist distro (like ubuntu) for
+</I>&gt;<i> newbies and/or microsoft users,...
+</I>
+Let me rant in a rather non-polite tone:
+why does *every* Linux distro have to be for Windows users?? Why does every
+product need to be targeted at stupid people? (obvious answer: there is lots
+of them)
+
+Can't we please keep building a distro for *Linux* users?
+If people choose Linux, they shall obviously like Linux, not Windoze. It's
+like we are trying to serve a vanilla ice cream to people who prefer
+chocolate. Can we, please, keep making vanilla taste like vanilla? We had been
+good at that, some years ago.
+
+Lets see again what features had made us like linux in the first place:
+ - It used to be light and fast. (not like KDE4 or win Vista)
+ - It used to be able to run for months, even years without a crash or need to
+reboot.. (not like knotify4 and pulseaudio)
+ - It used to do all the things we wanted, with plethora of tools (not like
+Gnome or Apple)
+ - It used to allow us to configure either through gui tools, or through
+cmdline and text files (not like the modern &quot;desktop&quot; trends).
+ - It could connect to the network without the need of a GUI server/client
+(not like networkmanager)
+ - It was free from closed-source applications (not like Android)
+ - It had allowed us to have a continuous desktop (+home) for many years,
+including all the software upgrades, without need to format our disks every 6
+months (not like Ubuntu or some KDE4 apps).
+
+So, if we try to sell &quot;better Windows&quot;, we'd better just give up and let
+Micro$oft do their job, they are better at it.
+
+On the other, marketing-wise, side, when we try to re-invent Windows, we just
+admit that our Linux vision was flawed. And, of course, we let down all the
+people that had believed our promises about Linux.
+
+&lt;/rant&gt;
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+
+
+--
+Say NO to spam and viruses. Stop using Microsoft Windows!
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+<PRE> I do also agree. Mageia should have its own and original identity.
+Why not involve art students or design students (moreover could be a
+good project for them if included in their cursus)?
+It could be also the occasion for the final choice to organize a special
+event, with media (good for communication)?
+
+Le 26/09/2010 01:27, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Hoyt Duff&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 16:05:44 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:47 AM, JUAN CARLOS&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">carlos.gilarranz at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> First, my English is not good but I try
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Second, as the icon theme, appearance and others believe it would be better
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if it were completely different and a crystal environment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree. The look needs to be completely different.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Let me rant in a rather non-polite tone:
+</I>&gt;<i> why does *every* Linux distro have to be for Windows users?? Why does every
+</I>&gt;<i> product need to be targeted at stupid people? (obvious answer: there is lots
+</I>&gt;<i> of them)
+</I>
+Ah, sorry, I do not quite understand. Last time I used Windows (except
+the occasional browser in an internet cafe), was middle of the
+nineties. So, were Mandriva and all the others not made for me?
+
+I've been a Linux user not a Windows user for many years, and I always
+thought Mandriva, Fedora, openSUSE, Debian, whatever, was made for me!
+I know to use vi and emacs, I know to use fluxbox and similar lean
+systems. But I also like knotify and the &quot;modern desktop trends&quot;. So I
+am not a Linux user?
+
+As long as I know how to do it the &quot;basic way&quot; I do not feel &quot;non
+Linux&quot; when I use KDE 4 or whatever you may regard as &quot;windowish&quot;.
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
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+&gt;<i> For example my wish would be a generalist distro (like ubuntu) for
+</I>&gt;<i> newbies and/or microsoft users, easy to use, eyecandy, completely
+</I>&gt;<i> customized in french, much more ergonomic than mandriva in order to
+</I>&gt;<i> propose it for my customers (I founded a company to promote Linux and
+</I>&gt;<i> opensource to individuals &amp; professionnals). So i would prefer a gnome
+</I>&gt;<i> (or e17 let's be crazy !) , with an eyecandy, sobre and zen theme (for
+</I>&gt;<i> example I like Dropline neu for the icons and Unity), with applications
+</I>&gt;<i> included like simple-scan and deja-dup (for backups) etc...
+</I>
+I disagree here.
+I am a power-user, and what I like with mandriva so far is that, while still
+providing an easy to install distro with sensible defaults, it does not hide
+away all the power you can get from a Unix/Linux OS. It is still quite easy
+to tweak the system.
+For example, as a java developer I am happy to have multiple JDK available
+which can be installed in parallel (good for testing), while the average
+user will simply get the default (openjdk actually).
+
+Like P. Christeas said in his rant, I don't want mageia to be dumbed down,
+IMO the current status of mandriva (and so the starting point of mageia) is
+a good compromise: it is easy to have a working install, but it is also easy
+to customize it to your needs while staying compatible with future updates.
+
+cheers
+--
+Renaud Michel
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+<PRE>2010/9/21 verdeterra &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">verdeterra at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just saw now, but the header of the wiki says that this format will be
+</I>&gt;<i> temporary. Maybe they will install mediawiki in the future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia temporary wiki&quot; - &quot;This wiki is temporary, for setup purposes and
+</I>&gt;<i> contributions lists. It will be erased in the future&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Em Ter 21 Set 2010, &#224;s 17:59:34, Wolfgang Bornath escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/21 <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Very good to know that the wiki is already available, and that is with
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; the software DokuWiki.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I made a text about wiki software &quot;DokuWiki&quot; in the wiki MandrivaBrasil:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We are using DokuWiki as well on MandrivaUser.de so people should have
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> no problems with that, German hepl text available in our wiki ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Yes, I know and I'm not amused :)
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+&gt;<i> Ah, sorry, I do not quite understand. Last time I used Windows (except
+</I>&gt;<i> the occasional browser in an internet cafe), was middle of the
+</I>&gt;<i> nineties. So, were Mandriva and all the others not made for me?
+</I>Notice the phrase &quot;keep being Linux&quot; at my post.
+So, question: who should better influcence the fate of a Linux distro? Ones
+that prefer Windows or the ones that liked Linux on the first place?
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been a Linux user not a Windows user for many years, and I always
+</I>&gt;<i> thought Mandriva, Fedora, openSUSE, Debian, whatever, was made for me!
+</I>&gt;<i> I know to use vi and emacs, I know to use fluxbox and similar lean
+</I>&gt;<i> systems. But I also like knotify and the &quot;modern desktop trends&quot;. So I
+</I>&gt;<i> am not a Linux user?
+</I>I did comment on the /stability/ of knotify4 and the fact that it brings your
+system down, to a level worse than Windows.
+
+&gt;<i> As long as I know how to do it the &quot;basic way&quot; I do not feel &quot;non
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux&quot; when I use KDE 4 or whatever you may regard as &quot;windowish&quot;.
+</I>I regard as Windowish the policy that &quot;if the appearance is OK, then the
+software is fine&quot;, rather than the Unix/Linux mentality that software must be
+rock solid and able to &quot;survive&quot; in a pool of bugs.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ravikumar17jan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;<i> i prefer apt and deb personally
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that
+deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what
+benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and
+urpmi?
+
+&gt;<i>From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over
+</I>the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the same.
+I don't believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any
+significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training
+devs and creating a new build system.
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; I think so, too. And it was said a number of times. Mageia is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; created
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; to work against Mandriva. So why should we try to highjack packages?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Yes, it is possible if Mageia is better than Mandriva to harm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Mandriva... Will you ever be one step back just not to harm it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, I didn't say that. I didn't say anything about staying one (or any)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; steps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; behind Mandriva. I was just against highjacking something. If there are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages for Mandriva let them use them.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There won't be a first release of Mageia for quite some time, I think.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Perhaps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in three/for month, who knows? Sure we should use the newest stable
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; versions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of every software we use, then and sure we can experiment with software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; stable in the Cauldron, but let's wait till we really have something to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; _______________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia-discuss mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, I was rhetorical. Let's do it! As best as we could! (if I can
+</I>&gt;<i> say that in English) But organized. Every thing at its time. It is hard to
+</I>&gt;<i> temper the enthusiasm. It's hard to temper the rush. But it's necessary in
+</I>&gt;<i> order to do the things right. What means to build KDE for Mandriva/Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean beyond retrieving sources, make and make install?
+</I>
+a revision control system, a build system and a release system, a primary
+mirror and mirrors (i think the last part is mostly ok :-) ).
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+Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;<i> i prefer apt and deb pe
+</I>
+It's a fork of Mandriva. Mandriva use rpm so mageia will probably use
+rpm too.
+Without it, we have to kill urpm* projects....
+--
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+Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 25 september 2010 13:58:15 schreef Farfouille:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> I do not fully agree with your demonstration, Michael. Mageia targets
+</I>&gt;<i> also Average Joe which obviously is not and never be a developer. Your
+</I>&gt;<i> conclusion is more appropriate for distros like fedora, which states
+</I>&gt;<i> clearly that their target audience is computer-friendly user
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base">https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base</A>)
+</I>[...]
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+That being said: if we form people from X -&gt; Y , they don't necessarily stop
+being the target-audience.
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+We could also alter that definition and also mention that the second group of
+targeted audience are the Mageia contributers.
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+Furthermore, it's probably useful to have a good way to facilitate those
+users; documentation or whatever.
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+I would propose in packaging to have an extra list of people who want to learn
+how to package.
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+ <B>david</B>
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+<PRE> That is just what I wanted to point out : all Linux users don't have
+the same objectives.
+What will be Mageia's one?
+I am a long date user of Unix (more than 20years) and Linux (since the
+beginning), mostly in command line, but I think that with light desktops
+like Gnome or E17 , we can break the mercantile (commercial) way of
+thinking the computer, and offer all Linux advantages to people who are
+not aware of other solutions. For example I have in my customers , old
+people who have some basic needs (like 90% of computer users) :
+internet, mail , be in touch through IRC, skype or other tools with
+their families. Why should we let Microsoft and computers vendors sell
+them expensive tools that they don't need? Linux is able to satisfy
+their needs at a low cost and cost is often a problem for old people
+with small pensions.
+Personnaly I don't like the thinking of being a small community not
+opened on the external world, and not looking what is good and well done
+by Apple, Ubuntu, Fedora and so on. I think that for these people there
+are already good distros like LFS, Sourcemage or Slackware. And Mandriva
+is not the one. It seems that Mandriva has began to look for end users
+needs but has not finished the job (for example english sentences and
+words in locale version during installation, no own identity in the look
+with the blue theme inherited from w95...).
+Doing nothing and staying in our small circle will encourage Microsoft
+and co to continue distributing sh**t to people, produce endlessly more
+powerfull computers for nothing... I don't want to participate to this
+movement and want to make proselytism for open source.
+Another word from microsoft users: they did not choose their distro, it
+was imposed to them.
+Today there is only one distro having really working in this way. I
+would like to see Mandriva to do so, but it won't...
+So will Mageia do?
+Wil it be a distro, form you , for me or or both?
+
+
+Le 26/09/2010 19:12, P. Christeas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 26 September 2010, david wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For example my wish would be a generalist distro (like ubuntu) for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> newbies and/or microsoft users,...
+</I>&gt;<i> Let me rant in a rather non-polite tone:
+</I>&gt;<i> why does *every* Linux distro have to be for Windows users?? Why does every
+</I>&gt;<i> product need to be targeted at stupid people? (obvious answer: there is lots
+</I>&gt;<i> of them)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't we please keep building a distro for *Linux* users?
+</I>&gt;<i> If people choose Linux, they shall obviously like Linux, not Windoze. It's
+</I>&gt;<i> like we are trying to serve a vanilla ice cream to people who prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> chocolate. Can we, please, keep making vanilla taste like vanilla? We had been
+</I>&gt;<i> good at that, some years ago.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lets see again what features had made us like linux in the first place:
+</I>&gt;<i> - It used to be light and fast. (not like KDE4 or win Vista)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It used to be able to run for months, even years without a crash or need to
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot.. (not like knotify4 and pulseaudio)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It used to do all the things we wanted, with plethora of tools (not like
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome or Apple)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It used to allow us to configure either through gui tools, or through
+</I>&gt;<i> cmdline and text files (not like the modern &quot;desktop&quot; trends).
+</I>&gt;<i> - It could connect to the network without the need of a GUI server/client
+</I>&gt;<i> (not like networkmanager)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It was free from closed-source applications (not like Android)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It had allowed us to have a continuous desktop (+home) for many years,
+</I>&gt;<i> including all the software upgrades, without need to format our disks every 6
+</I>&gt;<i> months (not like Ubuntu or some KDE4 apps).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if we try to sell &quot;better Windows&quot;, we'd better just give up and let
+</I>&gt;<i> Micro$oft do their job, they are better at it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other, marketing-wise, side, when we try to re-invent Windows, we just
+</I>&gt;<i> admit that our Linux vision was flawed. And, of course, we let down all the
+</I>&gt;<i> people that had believed our promises about Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;/rant&gt;
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+<PRE>Le 26/09/2010 17:45, Sinner from the Prairy a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> (...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not use Thunderbird as a news (USENET/NNTP) reader?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
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+Well I'm afraid my previous message wasn't clear.
+
+I'm already using Thunderbird to read Usenet/nntp on gmane more
+precisely on news.gmane.org but it seems to break thread at least when
+not using gmane (which is a gateway between mailing list and Usenet)
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+Cheer,
+Farfouille
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+<PRE>Le 26/09/2010 18:58, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Just joining in on this: although I spent years with mailinglists and
+</I>&gt;<i> usenet, forum like structures are far better to navigate and easier to
+</I>&gt;<i> use for me. So I tried Gmane, but the web interface is very slow and
+</I>&gt;<i> far behind the real discussion. While the web interface showed a first
+</I>&gt;<i> mail of a thread there were already 5 or 6 comments/replies in the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any other chance to use Gmane without a dedicated client on
+</I>&gt;<i> one machine? I'm switching machines several times a day, so one TB or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever on the machine at one place does not help when I'm elsewhere
+</I>&gt;<i> or using another machine at home.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Right now I'm using googlemail with the mailing lists and it is
+</I>&gt;<i> getting more chaotic every hour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So gmane doesn't seem to be a good solution, isn't it ?
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+<PRE>2010/9/26 P. Christeas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">p_christ at hol.gr</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Lets see again what features had made us like linux in the first place:
+</I>&gt;<i> - It used to be light and fast. (not like KDE4 or win Vista)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It used to be able to run for months, even years without a crash or need
+</I>&gt;<i> to
+</I>&gt;<i> reboot.. (not like knotify4 and pulseaudio)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It used to do all the things we wanted, with plethora of tools (not like
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome or Apple)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It used to allow us to configure either through gui tools, or through
+</I>&gt;<i> cmdline and text files (not like the modern &quot;desktop&quot; trends).
+</I>&gt;<i> - It could connect to the network without the need of a GUI server/client
+</I>&gt;<i> (not like networkmanager)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It was free from closed-source applications (not like Android)
+</I>&gt;<i> - It had allowed us to have a continuous desktop (+home) for many years,
+</I>&gt;<i> including all the software upgrades, without need to format our disks every
+</I>&gt;<i> 6
+</I>&gt;<i> months (not like Ubuntu or some KDE4 apps).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree with this list and i'd like to add also:
+- Dont hide the root (with sudo commands etc)
+:<i>)
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+ <B>Hoyt Duff</B>
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+<PRE>I also appreciate the way that Mandriva provided reasonable defaults
+but allowed one to choose alternatives.
+
+As far a desktops, while Mandrake/Mandriva has always been known as a
+KDE-centric distro, they have also provided well-appointed alternative
+desktop environments. Given the disaster that the introduction of KDE4
+has been, it's no wonder that Mandriva has gained an undeserved number
+of detractors. Mandriva also has a reputation of having buggy x.0
+releases, probably due to competitive pressure from other distros and
+business management; Mageia shold be able to address those issues
+easily enough.
+
+What do I see as Mandriva strengths?
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+- broad hardware support, often superior to other distros
+- a good installer with sensible defaults, but also providing powerful
+flexibility
+- excellent well-integrated admin tools
+- well-configured defaults for all desktop environments with good
+distro-specific integration for all of them.
+- a wide variety of kernels and packages
+- the support of PLF for license-impaired software
+- an adventuresome community
+
+What do I see as Mandriva weaknesses?
+
+- lack of a coherent management vision, often distracted by peripheral
+issues that wasted scarce resources
+- unattractive graphic choices that made it look childish and less
+than cutting-edge
+- poor bug handling; triage seemed OK overall, but fixing the bugs was
+slow and deficient
+- no clear vision for providing help and information resources, with
+community sources poorly co-opted by often inadequate &quot;official&quot; info
+
+Of course, we all have different lists and experiences and opinions. I
+only offer this as an appeal to focus on keeping what made Mandriva
+good and fixing what made it less than good. Having used Mandriva
+since Mandrake 5.2, having been a founding shareholder of Mandriva and
+a contributor to the 7.x documentation and a published Linux author,
+I see Mandriva's biggest failure as having lacked a thought-out and
+consistent vision and mission. That was mostly due to bad management
+and leadership, but also due to the impulsiveness on FOSS that I can
+see occurring in much of the thinking expressed in these mail-list
+discussions.
+
+I suggest that the conversation focus both on what we want Mageia to
+be and what it should NOT be while trying to avoid the traditional
+emacs vs. vi, Mac vs. PC, DEB vs. RPM, Perl vs. Python, Linux vs.
+Windows mentality that is so much fun, but so unproductive. .
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+Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rarroyo23 at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
+
+&gt;<i> muestra de posible logo, tambi&#233;n ac&#225;:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg">http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg</A>
+</I>
+Oh ! This Ph&#339;nix looks like our pathetic stupid french cock !
+;-)
+
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+<PRE> It is not uncompatible: you can offer a distro tunable bu taccessible
+to everyone. Mandriva One is tending in this way but unperfectly.
+
+Le 26/09/2010 19:33, Renaud MICHEL a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On dimanche 26 septembre 2010 at 18:42, david wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For example my wish would be a generalist distro (like ubuntu) for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> newbies and/or microsoft users, easy to use, eyecandy, completely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> customized in french, much more ergonomic than mandriva in order to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> propose it for my customers (I founded a company to promote Linux and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> opensource to individuals&amp; professionnals). So i would prefer a gnome
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (or e17 let's be crazy !) , with an eyecandy, sobre and zen theme (for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> example I like Dropline neu for the icons and Unity), with applications
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> included like simple-scan and deja-dup (for backups) etc...
+</I>&gt;<i> I disagree here.
+</I>&gt;<i> I am a power-user, and what I like with mandriva so far is that, while still
+</I>&gt;<i> providing an easy to install distro with sensible defaults, it does not hide
+</I>&gt;<i> away all the power you can get from a Unix/Linux OS. It is still quite easy
+</I>&gt;<i> to tweak the system.
+</I>&gt;<i> For example, as a java developer I am happy to have multiple JDK available
+</I>&gt;<i> which can be installed in parallel (good for testing), while the average
+</I>&gt;<i> user will simply get the default (openjdk actually).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Like P. Christeas said in his rant, I don't want mageia to be dumbed down,
+</I>&gt;<i> IMO the current status of mandriva (and so the starting point of mageia) is
+</I>&gt;<i> a good compromise: it is easy to have a working install, but it is also easy
+</I>&gt;<i> to customize it to your needs while staying compatible with future updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> It is not uncompatible: you can offer a distro tunable bu taccessible
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+<PRE>Le 20/09/2010 17:55, Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> muestra de posible logo, tambi&#233;n ac&#225;:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg">http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/7849/mageia3.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi
+
+Please speake english here
+For logo, there is a group on flick in wich you can upload :
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/</A>
+
+Thank you
+
+Marianne
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B>
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+<PRE>On Sunday 26 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> - Dont hide the root (with sudo commands etc)
+</I>
+Or at least do not do it the Ubuntu way, which breaks some utilities in such a
+way that they no longer work when used as root.
+
+This is what turned me completely off Ubuntu when I tried it.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we.
+ They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our
+ country and our people, and neither do we.
+ -- President George W. Bush, Aug. 5, '04
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+
+Le 26/09/2010 20:51, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 26 September 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Dimitrios Glentadakis&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Dont hide the root (with sudo commands etc)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Or at least do not do it the Ubuntu way, which breaks some utilities in such a
+</I>&gt;<i> way that they no longer work when used as root.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is what turned me completely off Ubuntu when I tried it.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
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+<PRE> It is exactly the way I analyze Mandriva business. And I told so to
+Mandriva through suggestions, support and so on.
+Mandriva's distro has big potential but not used. Some minor (sometimes
+even basic) corrections and modifications, and a real communication
+effort (when it is told about Linux in general Press thee is only one
+name...) could make it a leader in terms of popularity (not in term of
+business).
+Will it be the case with Mageia?
+
+&gt;<i> I suggest that the conversation focus both on what we want Mageia to
+</I>&gt;<i> be and what it should NOT be while trying to avoid the traditional
+</I>&gt;<i> emacs vs. vi, Mac vs. PC, DEB vs. RPM, Perl vs. Python, Linux vs.
+</I>&gt;<i> Windows mentality that is so much fun, but so unproductive. .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That was the objective of this thread; other considerations are just
+consequences of strategical choices made by Mageia.
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+When the mandrake joined with Conectiva they will throw away the package manager developed by the Brazilian company, the &quot;Synaptic&quot;! Synaptic began to be adopted in debian systems, and these systems now exceed the mandriva!
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+&gt;<i> We should keep the center of control over the exchange through Synaptic
+</I>&gt;<i> package manager and deploy a second interface for users with less
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge.
+</I>There was already a thread about this and the result was: At least for the
+time being, we'll stick to urpmi/rpmdrake, when I remember correctly, just
+look it up. The thread title was something like &quot;Gui tools&quot;.
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+I think that it should be up to Mageia to make the first move, given the
+circumstances of Ga&#235;l's departure from Mandriva.
+He may be hesitant to offer to join not knowing if he would be welcomed.
+ Or if Mageia would want the potential negative speculations behind such
+a move or add to Mandriva's discomfort.
+
+Personally I see it as more of a positive if Mageia extends the olive
+branch..even if he declines due to his commitment to Ulteo. He can say
+so if interviewed,or on facebook, twitter,blogging ect.
+
+This way both sides can avoid any awkward situations if the question
+should pop up down the road in the press either interviewing someone
+representing Mageia or Ga&#235;l himself..
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+Of course if he says Yes that too would be most interesting.
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+I believe that past and present Mandriva users would not want change your package format.
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+ <B>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior</B>
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+don't change&quot;.
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+Cheers,
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+Adjamilton J&#250;nior
+
+Em 26 de setembro de 2010 17:28, Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt;escreveu:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva's distro has big potential but not used. Some minor (sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> even basic) corrections and modifications, and a real communication effort
+</I>&gt;<i> (when it is told about Linux in general Press thee is only one name...)
+</I>&gt;<i> could make it a leader in terms of popularity (not in term of business).
+</I>&gt;<i> Will it be the case with Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I totally agree to that and I hope Mageia will make this happen.
+
+But I also agree that at this time Mageia has to saddle as a fork,
+structures have to be build, etc.
+
+Plus, we wouldn't use Mandriva if we don't like the way it works. So no need
+to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like that
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+My dream would be a very User and Admin friendly Disto
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+One Installer CD for Desktop Dualarch - metapacks for the desktop env
+One Installer CD for a Serverversion inkl. LXDE + MMC-base and metapaks for
+some spezial apps inkl. the MMC modules (and pulse)
+One Installer CD for a Virtualserver using f.e. OpenVZ and a MMC based webui
+and some community templates
+
+In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of
+home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever imagine
+all with one Distro.
+
+just my 5eurocent,
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+Sandro Cazzaniga &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Le Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:44:38 -0400,
+</I>&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i prefer apt and deb pe
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a fork of Mandriva. Mandriva use rpm so mageia will probably use
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm too.
+</I>&gt;<i> Without it, we have to kill urpm* projects....
+</I>
+You can not even doubt that we must use packet types, the MCC is
+designed to use and manage RPRDRAKE such packages. To change should
+start from the ground, at least I guess. The advantages of RPR on the
+DEB packages are not obvious but they exist and why many users prefer.
+My apologies to those who think differently but almost absurd to
+discuss this as the heart of this distro are RPM packages, its ease of
+use and installation.
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+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> paulo ricardo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">paulo_ricardogo at hotmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We should keep the center of control over the exchange through
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Synaptic package manager and deploy a second interface for users
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with less knowledge.
+</I>&gt;<i> There was already a thread about this and the result was: At least
+</I>&gt;<i> for the time being, we'll stick to urpmi/rpmdrake, when I remember
+</I>&gt;<i> correctly, just look it up. The thread title was something like &quot;Gui
+</I>&gt;<i> tools&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyhow, it's way too soon to discuss things like that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+I used Synaptic and leaves much to be desired in some respects,
+especially with the handling of dependencies, is confusing and anything
+but a novice can use it easily. If anything I liked on Mandrake and
+Mandriva was so easy to use rpmdrake.
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+A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is
+#mageia-za on freenode.
+
+I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to
+request a mailing list and links on the website.
+
+~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)
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+
+(...)
+
+&gt;<i> So gmane doesn't seem to be a good solution, isn't it ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I use Knode for USENET. This is a KDE program, but it works great and
+no thread breaking.
+
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+Salut,
+Sinner
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+<PRE>Le 26/09/2010 22:50, Rory Albertyn a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Greetings,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-za on freenode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> request a mailing list and links on the website.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)
+</I>Hi
+
+Welcome here,
+
+If you want to contribute, you can register to
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php">http://www.mageia.org/wiki/doku.php</A>
+There is actually no afrikaans translator, so if someone want to join
+the team, he is welcome.
+There is actually no localised mailing-list but I'm sure it will be done
+in a few weeks, after the end of the beginning rush.
+
+
+Marianne / Jehane
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+&gt;<i> El Sun, 26 Sep 2010 20:03:07 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Sandro Cazzaniga &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cazzaniga.sandro at gmail.com</A>&gt; escribi&#243;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:44:38 -0400,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; i prefer apt and deb pe
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's a fork of Mandriva. Mandriva use rpm so mageia will probably use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rpm too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Without it, we have to kill urpm* projects....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can not even doubt that we must use packet types, the MCC is
+</I>&gt;<i> designed to use and manage RPRDRAKE such packages. To change should
+</I>&gt;<i> start from the ground, at least I guess. The advantages of RPR on the
+</I>&gt;<i> DEB packages are not obvious but they exist and why many users prefer.
+</I>&gt;<i> My apologies to those who think differently but almost absurd to
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss this as the heart of this distro are RPM packages, its ease of
+</I>&gt;<i> use and installation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+INsteadf cussing rpm or deb package formats w should consider to use
+apt-rpm like PclinuxOs does. Using synaptic and apt wolud be wonderful
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+<PRE> 27.09.2010 00:29, atilla ontas kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> INsteadf cussing rpm or deb package formats w should consider to use
+</I>&gt;<i> apt-rpm like PclinuxOs does. Using synaptic and apt wolud be wonderful
+</I>Hey,
+
+can you please stop this deb vs rpm battle. urpm* is one of the reasons why Mandriva is what
+it is, it's a brilliant tool and @ command line it kicks apt's butt. Dropping urpm* would be
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+ <B>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior</B>
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+<PRE>I think that the first release of Magia have that be like Madriva.
+Modifications can be implemented in future releases.
+
+Adjamilton J&#250;nior
+
+2010/9/26 Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if possible)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> .mageia ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ravikumar17jan at gmail.com</A>&gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ravikumar17jan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;<i> i prefer apt and deb personally
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that
+</I>&gt;<i> deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what
+</I>&gt;<i> benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over
+</I>&gt;<i> the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the same.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any
+</I>&gt;<i> significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training
+</I>&gt;<i> devs and creating a new build system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE> I've started using PCLinuxOS, so I've got some experience with
+Synaptic and I like it, especially when it goes through and tells you
+what else has to be installed when you do an upgrade/install. It can
+sit on top of urpmi (I think, since I can do manual installs that show
+up in Synaptic also), so it makes a good add-on.
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+
+On 09/26/2010 03:22 PM, paulo ricardo wrote:
+&gt;<i> When the mandrake joined with Conectiva they will throw away the
+</I>&gt;<i> package manager developed by the Brazilian company, the &quot;Synaptic&quot;!
+</I>&gt;<i> Synaptic began to be adopted in debian systems, and these systems now
+</I>&gt;<i> exceed the mandriva!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We should keep the center of control over the exchange through
+</I>&gt;<i> Synaptic package manager and deploy a second interface for users with
+</I>&gt;<i> less knowledge.
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+ <B>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela</B>
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+<PRE>I personally found no practical advantage of using apt-get vs urpmi,
+while apt has many nice features urpmi is also solid and works
+perfectly in most common cases, the only problem you may have is with
+malformed packages or with erroneous dependency information, in which
+case the only advantage of apt-get is the fact that Debian takes a lot
+of care of having correct and working packages, which most RPM based
+distros does too (you may get problems with 3th party repos but that
+is another problem).
+
+Being a Mandriva fork we would logically stick with it's tools and
+packaging system.
+
+Regards,
+Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+
+On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if possible)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> .mageia ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ravikumar17jan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;<i> i prefer apt and deb personally
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that
+</I>&gt;<i> deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what
+</I>&gt;<i> benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over
+</I>&gt;<i> the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the same.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any
+</I>&gt;<i> significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training
+</I>&gt;<i> devs and creating a new build system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<LI><A HREF="001314.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001297.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001294.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001295.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001303.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001268.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001315.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001302.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001327.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001317.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001328.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001326.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001292.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001252.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001316.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001260.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001307.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001324.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001304.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sascha Schneider
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001330.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001296.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001298.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001320.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001321.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001253.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001299.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001310.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001300.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001301.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001309.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora2010
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001325.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paulo ricardo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001329.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lorne schachter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001319.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 26 23:55:51 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 23:55:55 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>26 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 01:27:42 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 23:55:51 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 63<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001252.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001253.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001258.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001259.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001260.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001261.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Blog news - mageia-web creation
+</A><A NAME="1262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001268.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001270.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Blog news - mageia-web creation
+</A><A NAME="1271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001292.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001293.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="1293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001294.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001295.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001296.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001297.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001298.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001299.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001300.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001301.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001302.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001303.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001304.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001306.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001307.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001309.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora2010
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001310.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paulo ricardo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001314.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sascha Schneider
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001315.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001316.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001317.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001319.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001320.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001322.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001329.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lorne schachter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001321.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001324.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001325.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001326.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001327.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001328.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001330.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 26 23:55:51 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 23:55:55 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
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+ <h1>26 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 01:27:42 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 23:55:51 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 63<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001258.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001253.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Blog news - mageia-web creation
+</A><A NAME="1262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Blog news - mageia-web creation
+</A><A NAME="1271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001315.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001270.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001300.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001301.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001296.html">[Mageia-discuss] KDE 4.5.1
+</A><A NAME="1296">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001304.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1304">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001307.html">[Mageia-discuss] Logo, a ver si les gusta, falta pulirlo.
+</A><A NAME="1307">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paulo ricardo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001314.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001329.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1329">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lorne schachter
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001321.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1321">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001292.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1292">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001294.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001299.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1299">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001302.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1302">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001303.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001305.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1305">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001306.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1308">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001310.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1310">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sascha Schneider
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001268.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1268">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001252.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001259.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001260.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001261.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001295.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1295">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001297.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1297">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001309.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora2010
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001316.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001317.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001319.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001320.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>francisco monge a
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001325.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001326.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001327.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001328.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001330.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1330">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001322.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001324.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001293.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - &#1089;&#1087;&#1072;&#1089;&#1080;&#1073;&#1086;
+</A><A NAME="1293">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001298.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1298">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Sep 26 23:55:51 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 23:55:55 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <h1>26 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 01:27:42 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Sep 26 23:55:51 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 63<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285457262- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001252.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285457262-01285521543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001274.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1274">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285476934- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001253.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency &amp; open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]
+</A><A NAME="1253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285488258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285488258-01285494090- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001255.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285488258-01285494090-01285498040- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285488258-01285494090-01285498040-01285515867- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001263.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1263">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285502372- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285502372-01285515940- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001264.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1264">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285502372-01285515940-01285520302- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001270.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1270">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285502372-01285515940-01285520302-01285525259- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001301.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1301">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285502372-01285515940-01285520302-01285525259-01285535240- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001323.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285502372-01285515940-01285525216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001300.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1300">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>farfouille
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285506643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001258.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Aufml, gifts, Magiea, communication] Question about intro. text proposal for Aufml Administrators
+</A><A NAME="1258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285507853- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001259.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1259">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285507853-01285508654- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001260.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1260">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285507853-01285508654-01285508971- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001261.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1261">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285507853-01285516153- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001265.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1265">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285509775- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001262.html">[Mageia-discuss] Blog news - mageia-web creation
+</A><A NAME="1262">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285509775-01285520513- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001271.html">[Mageia-discuss] Blog news - mageia-web creation
+</A><A NAME="1271">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285516327- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001266.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss [LOGO]
+</A><A NAME="1266">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285519332- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001267.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1267">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285519332-01285519898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001269.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1269">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285519332-01285519898-01285520575- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001272.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1272">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285519332-01285521152- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001273.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1273">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285519332-01285521152-01285522136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001275.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1275">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285519332-01285521152-01285522136-01285522969- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001294.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1294">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285519332-01285521152-01285522136-01285522969-01285525926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001303.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1303">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285519332-01285521152-01285522136-01285522969-01285525926-01285529074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285519332-01285521152-01285522136-01285522969-01285525926-01285529074-01285532121- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001318.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
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+ <B>Ma&#226;t</B>
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+<PRE>Le 25/09/2010 15:57, You-Cheng Hsieh a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/25 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any news about this chinese translation?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i> We have a traditional chinese(zh-TW) translation here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://groups.google.com.tw/group/mageia-taiwan/t/25d6ce75f3c72e21">http://groups.google.com.tw/group/mageia-taiwan/t/25d6ce75f3c72e21</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, I don't write or read simplified chinese (zh-CN), so I cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> give suggestion for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+I'll need more help to put online chinese because it's very very
+different from the group of left-to-right languages i have had to deal
+With up to now.
+
+Ma&#226;t
+
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+<PRE>2010/9/23 RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ravikumar17jan at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;<i> i prefer apt and deb personally
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi all.
+
+I use several distros, sombe rpm-based, some deb-based.
+
+IMHO, there's no real difference between both package types. All troubles
+i've found on rpm packages are exactly the same i've found on .deb ones. And
+all are for the same reason: The package has some error on their build
+process (bad dependences, outdated versions of them...)
+
+So, i see no objective reason to change rpm-packaging system. But we must be
+carefully until paranoia when we're building them. A well-done build rpm
+package works as smooth and clean than a well-done build .deb one.
+
+If you're looking some other aspects (i.e. performance of the package
+manager) there's no sensible difference for a normal user between both
+package types. You can find urpmi slower than apt-get, or viceversa. I've
+found opposite opinions about this ever among my colleagues. This leads to
+me that i'ts a subjective (or particular system-dependant) estimation.
+
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+ <B>Lucien-Henry Horvath</B>
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+<PRE>Hi, (en FR en-dessous)
+My suggestion is a little crazy ...
+With the new departure of this distro, perhaps is it a good idea to
+invent a sort of &quot;unified managment&quot; of DEV / RPM.
+We start on urpmi, and add to urpmi the abilities to encapsulate apt-get ?
+So just easy play &quot; urpmi <A HREF="http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb">http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb</A>&quot; ;-)
+It's auto-manage dependencies and finaly, urpmi launch &quot;apt-get install&quot;.
+Is it technicaly possible ?
+--
+Bonjour (in EN up)
+Ma suggestion suivante va para&#238;tre d&#233;bile, mais ...
+En cr&#233;ant une nouvelle distribution, ce serait peut-&#234;tre une bonne id&#233;e
+d'inventer _enfin_ une sorte de &quot;gestion unifi&#233;e&quot; des paquetages deb et rpm.
+L'id&#233;e est d'encapsuler apt-get dans urpmi.
+Ainsi, on lance juste urpmi &quot;URL/t&#233;l&#233;chargement/fichier.deb&quot; et &#231;a g&#232;re
+tout seul les d&#233;pendances.
+Est-ce techniquement possible ?
+
+
+
+Le 26/09/2010 23:55, Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I personally found no practical advantage of using apt-get vs urpmi,
+</I>&gt;<i> while apt has many nice features urpmi is also solid and works
+</I>&gt;<i> perfectly in most common cases, the only problem you may have is with
+</I>&gt;<i> malformed packages or with erroneous dependency information, in which
+</I>&gt;<i> case the only advantage of apt-get is the fact that Debian takes a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> of care of having correct and working packages, which most RPM based
+</I>&gt;<i> distros does too (you may get problems with 3th party repos but that
+</I>&gt;<i> is another problem).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Being a Mandriva fork we would logically stick with it's tools and
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if possible)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .mageia ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ravikumar17jan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i prefer apt and deb personally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the same.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> devs and creating a new build system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> Let me rant in a rather non-polite tone:
+</I>&gt;<i> why does *every* Linux distro have to be for Windows users?? Why does every
+</I>&gt;<i> product need to be targeted at stupid people? (obvious answer: there is lots
+</I>&gt;<i> of them)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think you have to separate &quot;looking like Windows&quot; from &quot;implementing
+as does Microsoft&quot;. One of the things MS does very well is user
+interface design. What they *don't* do so well is implementation:
+everything is done through the GUI, and MS oversimplifies by making
+choices silently for the user without giving the user the option to
+override.
+
+We're not exactly innocent in this respect either. MDV tools are
+excellent, but they need the closure of a full transparent CLI as well
+as a GUI. Experts and administrators need to be able to provide
+configuration through batch scripts. This is not the case in many
+areas. I do a large number of fresh installs intended to create a new
+system configured as an existing system was, and it's really annoying to
+boot for the first time and then have to invoke several GUIs to do
+things like printer configuration, wireless configuration, and font
+installation.
+
+In many areas, we have lost track of the simple fact that a Graphical
+User Interface should be just that - an *interface* to a modular and
+independent non-graphical module which provides &quot;business logic&quot;. It
+should never be the only way to access the business logic. Hopefully,
+free of Mandriva's corporate restrictions, we can achieve that now.
+
+Another issue is choice. System tools have to provide a range of choice
+suitable for both experts and newbies. While it is acceptable to choose
+defaults that will work for newbies out of the box, it is not acceptable
+to limit choices for everyone to those defaults. We've done this on
+more than one occasion, the most memorable one being to radically change
+and lock down the application menu system and refuse to consider any
+configuration options that would deviate from this.
+
+Finally, there is transparency. MDV tools have in many cases extended
+the standard Linux way of doing things in imaginative and useful ways.
+What they don't do is document those ways so that admins and users used
+to standard Linux ways can manually intervene or provide tool
+extensions without extensive code reading. Also, there are many
+portions of the toolset, e.g. disk partitioning, network sharing,
+setting up VPNs, etc., which involve extremely intrusive and possibly
+destructive operations. All such tools need to have an option, not
+necessarily the default, to display to the user a detailed list of
+changes that the tool proposes to make, and prompt for approval.
+
+The problem here is that advanced users and admins get understandably
+scared when a tool proposes to do something that involves modifying
+multiple critical configuration files or system resources without
+providing the details of the changes so that they can be denied if
+unwanted, or undone later if so desired.
+
+An even better approach would be to have each configuration tool produce
+a program-readable file describing actions it takes, much as RPMs
+provide, so that the tool, or some general tool running on another
+bootable system with access to the root partition of the affected system
+could undo the changes.
+
+I understand why these things were never done in the past.
+Management/marketing (and perhaps even some devs) wanted the
+windows-like newbie simplification, and didn't have the resources or the
+desire to provide the closure of these features. I hope that we can
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I totally agree to that and I hope Mageia will make this happen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I also agree that at this time Mageia has to saddle as a fork,
+</I>&gt;<i> structures have to be build, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Plus, we wouldn't use Mandriva if we don't like the way it works. So no
+</I>&gt;<i> need to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like
+</I>&gt;<i> that
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My dream would be a very User and Admin friendly Disto
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One Installer CD for Desktop Dualarch - metapacks for the desktop env
+</I>&gt;<i> One Installer CD for a Serverversion inkl. LXDE + MMC-base and metapaks for
+</I>&gt;<i> some spezial apps inkl. the MMC modules (and pulse)
+</I>&gt;<i> One Installer CD for a Virtualserver using f.e. OpenVZ and a MMC based
+</I>&gt;<i> webui and some community templates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever imagine
+</I>&gt;<i> all with one Distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's very, very near of my own vision for a &quot;perfect&quot; Linux OS. We have
+the big advantage that everything yet still not done. And we count with
+tools (delta-rpms, metapackages) to build a core system with &quot;add-ons&quot; (like
+server packages, desktop packages...) improving modularity and system
+organization.
+
+At the same time, i'm aware that it can be a too big break from the mageia's
+origins (in the meaning of system's scheme and organization). So, if we can
+progressively drive mageia to this new scheme sounds reasonable too.
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+I am not proposing to replace the &quot;URPMI&quot; by the &quot;APT-RPM! I'm proposing we change the &quot;Rpmdrake&quot; with &quot;Synaptic&quot; and keeping the &quot;URPMI!
+The URPMI is very good, plus the &quot;Rpmdrake&quot; is horrible!
+
+We discuss these things before the programming work to eat. We must define how the O.S should be! this discussion is important because the GUI package management directly influences the daily work in an OS!
+
+My proposal is that we keep the rpm and urpmi! But substitute Rpmdrake by Synaptic, and creating a second interface aimed at users with less knowledge.
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+&gt;<i> Being a Mandriva fork we would logically stick with it's tools and
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging system.
+</I>
+Agreed, if we start questioning everything we might as well all go home.
+
+Mandriva/Mageia are rpm distros and I would expect them to stay like
+that otherwise we could just all use Debian or one of it's derivatives.
+
+urpmi is at least as good as apt-get, if anyone finds that urpmi lacks a
+feature that apt-get has, then please suggest it (not now, later when
+Mageia is set up) so it can be considered to add that feature to urpmi,
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not proposing to replace the &quot;URPMI&quot; by the &quot;APT-RPM! I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> proposing we change the &quot;Rpmdrake&quot; with &quot;Synaptic&quot; and keeping the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;URPMI! The URPMI is very good, plus the &quot;Rpmdrake&quot; is horrible!
+</I>
+Instead of saying &quot;rpmdrake is horrible&quot;, it would be more useful if you
+list what you don't like so it can be improved. No tool is perfect, I'm
+sure Synaptic has flaws to, so just switching to Synaptic only means
+trading one set of flaws for another.
+
+Personally I find rpmdrake works perfectly fine (the startup speed
+could need improving though), it does all I need it to do (and I would
+consider myself an advanced user, since I have 15 years Linux experience
+and work as a sysadmin) and then there are always the urpmi CLI tools as
+alternative.
+
+So lets stop wasting time by talking badly about all those things that
+make Mandriva (and therefore Mageia) the great distro it is, and instead
+lets concentrate on improving (rather than replacing) the tools of
+Madriva/Mageia.
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+<PRE> I just thought of this, and I have never seen that done, so I'm not
+sure how it would (if) work exactly.
+I was thinking about creating a specific version of the OS that would
+consist of all development tools required to build packages, develop
+components, etc. This would provide the same environment for all
+developers, and help in bug fixing, as they would all have the same
+packages (by default, I was also thinking about implementing a better
+version of Mandriva's Package Stats with an ability to input a list of
+packages [from the bug reporter] so the tester can automatically
+download the same versions). It is just a thought, but I would love to
+see something like this implemented. I want to see what you guys think
+of this too ;) (I'm trying to create something like this but not for OS
+but for a framework, so I want to see some opinions.)
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ravikumar17jan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;<i> i prefer apt and deb personally
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+But you didn't say what exactly don't you like about rpm? what
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 21:24, Dick Gevers&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dvgevers at xs4all.nl</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If the need arises, what problem would there be if any number of Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> volunteers set up a commercial &quot;Mageia Service SA&quot; with a license from the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia non-profit association to provide such commercial support? They
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could make a contract that the profits from the SA would go to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> association and/or the shareholders and/or the employed volunteers at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> certain agreed percentages of the earnings.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is something we expect and welcome to happen: companies providing
+</I>&gt;<i> commercial support and services from and around the distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We expect this to happen as they would need, to be consistent with
+</I>&gt;<i> their own business, to contribute back to the Mageia project: be it
+</I>&gt;<i> upstream patches, sponsoring, resources, developers time, any other
+</I>&gt;<i> role, etc. (of course, such a contribution would not, in any case,
+</I>&gt;<i> alter the governance of the project).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, licensing and guidelines for this to happen smoothly have to
+</I>&gt;<i> be thought out properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i> _____
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Note that gpl v3 doesn't require that 3rd parties contribute back to the
+Mageia project, although Mageia could make that an additional requirement.
+The GPL v3 does require that any changes that are conveyed to other
+parties, be conveyed with the source code and a GPL v3 licence.
+However if a customer contracts exclusive modifications not to be
+conveyed to other parties, then under GPL v3 there is explicitly no
+requirement to release this code (source or not) to any other party.
+This should not be required by Mageia, either, as this provision allows
+companies to make confidential modifications of GPL software for their
+own exclusive use, or to commission others to do so for them.
+Note that as Romain says, it generally would be in the interest of third
+parties to contribute back changes to Mageia, particularly bug fixes.
+
+Also note that support doesn't necessarily involve changes to GPL
+covered code.
+There could be no coding involved. The coding could be not an integral
+part of the GPL code. Or the code could link to a LGPL library, and
+thus not be restricted.
+Personally, I've done a lot of support covered by these situations.
+
+In short, there would be no problem for Mageia to maintain a list of
+third parties wanting to do commercial support, as long as Mageia is not
+a party to such transactions.
+
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+ <B>David V. Wallin</B>
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+<PRE><A HREF="http://mageia-se.org">http://mageia-se.org</A> is now online.
+Its far from finished but some of the members on mandriva-se.org has been pushing me to get something up around mageia instead.
+The base of the site is buddypress with a few modifications and i'll add a few more patches soon but the main thought of the site
+is to offer the social aspect since i know thats something many users have missed on other community-sites i've been running.
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+Hows the work coming along for the official Mageia website?
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+Betygs&#228;tt g&#228;rna mitt mail!
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+Best Regards / V&#228;nligen ,
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+<PRE>On 09/26/2010 03:53 PM, lorne schachter wrote:
+&gt;<i> I've started using PCLinuxOS, so I've got some experience with
+</I>&gt;<i> Synaptic and I like it, especially when it goes through and tells you
+</I>&gt;<i> what else has to be installed when you do an upgrade/install. It can
+</I>&gt;<i> sit on top of urpmi (I think, since I can do manual installs that show
+</I>&gt;<i> up in Synaptic also), so it makes a good add-on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ---------------
+</I>&gt;<i> Lorne Schachter
+</I>&gt;<i> 136 Washington Ave
+</I>&gt;<i> Edison, NJ 08817
+</I>&gt;<i> (732)819-9176
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">lorne at isp.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 09/26/2010 03:22 PM, paulo ricardo wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When the mandrake joined with Conectiva they will throw away the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> package manager developed by the Brazilian company, the &quot;Synaptic&quot;!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Synaptic began to be adopted in debian systems, and these systems now
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> exceed the mandriva!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We should keep the center of control over the exchange through
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Synaptic package manager and deploy a second interface for users with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> less knowledge.
+</I>
+Not sure if I get what this thread is about. APT and Synaptic are in
+Mandriva repos. I've used apt and synaptic in Mandriva, openSuSE, and
+Fedora. In Mandriva I actually prefer rpmdrake but the choice is and has
+been there since I started in Linux with Fedora Core 3. Whenever that
+was. Given that is that it requires apt for rpm.
+
+Does anyone really think there's a snowballs chance in New Orleans of
+Mageia devs going to .deb packages? Not that there's anything wrong with
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+&gt;<i> Instead of saying &quot;rpmdrake is horrible&quot;, it would be more useful if you
+</I>&gt;<i> list what you don't like so it can be improved. No tool is perfect, I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> sure Synaptic has flaws to, so just switching to Synaptic only means
+</I>&gt;<i> trading one set of flaws for another.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I find rpmdrake works perfectly fine (the startup speed
+</I>&gt;<i> could need improving though), it does all I need it to do (and I would
+</I>&gt;<i> consider myself an advanced user, since I have 15 years Linux experience
+</I>&gt;<i> and work as a sysadmin) and then there are always the urpmi CLI tools as
+</I>&gt;<i> alternative.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So lets stop wasting time by talking badly about all those things that
+</I>&gt;<i> make Mandriva (and therefore Mageia) the great distro it is, and instead
+</I>&gt;<i> lets concentrate on improving (rather than replacing) the tools of
+</I>&gt;<i> Madriva/Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+What specifically is worse about .rpm packages vs. .deb packages? I've
+used both and don't have a clue why someone would believe .deb is
+inherently better than .rpm.
+
+Also, what does synaptic do that rpmdrake doesn't do? Why are some users
+clamoring for synaptic and add those features to rpmdrake? And would
+these questions get a better answer on
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-dev</A> or
+<A HREF="irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev?">irc://irc.freenode.net/mageia-dev?</A>
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+presentations not with the cli implementations.
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+As I mentioned in the gui tools thread, theres a few features in Smart's
+gui that I would like to see in rpm-drake... obviously once things are
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+&gt;<i> I totally agree
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 26/09/2010 20:51, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>Could you please insert your replies AFTER what you are replying to.
+(Also called &quot;don't top post&quot;.)
+There is a logical reason for this.
+Often on lists like this it is useful to reply to different parts of a
+post, that is, reply in several places. And it is easier to follow your
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+<PRE>Ireneusz Gierlach a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just thought of this, and I have never seen that done, so I'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> sure how it would (if) work exactly.
+</I>&gt;<i> I was thinking about creating a specific version of the OS that would
+</I>&gt;<i> consist of all development tools required to build packages, develop
+</I>&gt;<i> components, etc. This would provide the same environment for all
+</I>&gt;<i> developers, and help in bug fixing, as they would all have the same
+</I>&gt;<i> packages (by default, I was also thinking about implementing a better
+</I>&gt;<i> version of Mandriva's Package Stats with an ability to input a list of
+</I>&gt;<i> packages [from the bug reporter] so the tester can automatically
+</I>&gt;<i> download the same versions). It is just a thought, but I would love to
+</I>&gt;<i> see something like this implemented. I want to see what you guys think
+</I>&gt;<i> of this too ;) (I'm trying to create something like this but not for
+</I>&gt;<i> OS but for a framework, so I want to see some opinions.)
+</I>Just need to add some options to the package selection on initial
+installation.
+If I remember correctly, already Mandriva has a development option,
+which presumably installs most if not all of the development packages on
+the DVD.
+In any case, there is a tree for selecting packages by group (server,
+etc), as well as the option to select specific packages individually.
+(I prefer selecting individual packages myself.)
+Of course, Mandriva's current state is the starting point for Mageia.
+By the way, this feature was inherited from Red Hat, from which Mandriva
+originally forked.
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+Lucien-Henry Horvath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tempo2 at marneau.eu</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> My suggestion is a little crazy ...
+</I>&gt;<i> With the new departure of this distro, perhaps is it a good idea to
+</I>&gt;<i> invent a sort of &quot;unified managment&quot; of DEV / RPM.
+</I>&gt;<i> We start on urpmi, and add to urpmi the abilities to encapsulate
+</I>&gt;<i> apt-get ? So just easy play &quot; urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb">http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb</A>&quot; ;-) It's auto-manage
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies and finaly, urpmi launch &quot;apt-get install&quot;. Is it
+</I>&gt;<i> technicaly possible ?
+</I>A software (call &quot;alien&quot;) do that yet. MAgeia will probably use rpm for
+keep urpm*, mcc and rpmdrake.
+Stop this discussion that is useless, please.
+
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+<PRE>First, why people chose Linux?
+I think because it is free (of charge in the beginning). There is a learn
+curve for Windows too, you still need to do lots of tweaks if you really
+need to use it at full power. Linux too. So I wouldn't talk about the costs
+in this matter.
+Then, it has the source open. Here comes the real freedom. At least I know
+that somebody will discover if some app will spy on you. You never know what
+kind of info Windows send to the mother ship and when.
+Not to talk about the opportunity to adapt the code...
+And, not at least, come the things that could not do with Windows.
+Secondly, why people would chose Mageia?
+Now, the followers count to see the Mandriva's quality in a better way of
+communication. I think the Mandriva's distro is the base in all aspects.
+
+After that, it is place to improvement. Who knows, maybe Mageia will have
+its own life, far from Mandriva's path, but at same quality at least.
+
+Me, personally, from the usability point of use, I would like it close as it
+is now in terms of available packages. I would like to have the opportunity
+to poll for some apps (that was the Mandriva Club members privilege afaik).
+I would like to have one DVD with all the stuff and an installer to allow me
+to install a server, a desktop, or to start a &quot;live CD&quot; environment. And a
+second DVD with the sources. Different choices in different settings, but
+same packages. I hate the idea of having several CD/DVD flavors (of course,
+to be available as many users would like that). I would focus on 64 bit (I
+have 64 bit cpu since the first one appeared on the market, now nobody does
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+improvement on the desktop and a lighter KDE (but that's KDE team's job). I
+would like to have the KDE as classy as Gnome, but with KDE's plugability.
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+</I>&gt;<i> We're not exactly innocent in this respect either. ...
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+Le 24/09/2010 22:43, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --- <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Oliver Burger&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: Mageia general discussions&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</I>&gt;<i> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 22:23:00 +0200
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+</I>&gt;<i> On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 10:58 PM, atilla ontas&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I also fond of Bordeaux color. But i doubt it' ll be used in mageia Im also fond of Bordeaux. That's a color, too?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sorry...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i> The psychology explains many sensations related to color. For example, the colors yellow, red and white awaken hunger in their viewers; So many restaurants use combinations of these colors in their decorations, the taskbar in KDE / Windows is at the bottom of the screen because we pay more attention to what which is at the bottom of our vision.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it would be a good idea to ask some tips from a psychologist, can be a great advantage of marketing to our advantage, because many community distros simply ignore this factors because they do not know it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reguards.
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+</I>And why not propose a project to a laboratory of a university. Maybe
+there are students in psychology or ergonomy particpating to the
+lists/project?
+At Ubuntu there is a team dedicated to that, but having the cooperation
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+reflexion il y a 2 ans dans les ideas mandriva.
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+Le principe existe dans un sens (rpm ---&gt; deb) par le truchement de &quot;alien&quot;
+pourquoi ne pas le faire dans l'autre sens et allez plus loin en int&#233;grant
+nativement le proc&#233;d&#233; &#224; la distro.
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+Je ne crois qu'un utilisateur n&#233;ophite ce pose la question de savoir si il doit
+utiliser un paquet rpm ou deb ou truc venu de l'espace.....
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+PS : J'ai d'ailleurs fais la m&#234;me reflexion vis &#224; vis de wine qui pour moi
+devrait &#234;tre fondu dans la distro pour prendre en charge les .exe car une fois
+de plus l'utilisateur lambda (comme beaucoup des profs et &#233;l&#232;ves que je cotoie)
+se fiche du nom du syt&#232;me. Ils veulent que se soit beau et que sa fonctionne
+sans avoir a y passer des heures en documentation et essai. PEUT ON LEUR EN
+VOULOIR ???
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+Donc pour moi +1 :-)
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+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4C9FCBEC.106 at marneau.eu</A>&gt;
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+Hi, (en FR en-dessous)
+My suggestion is a little crazy ...
+With the new departure of this distro, perhaps is it a good idea to
+invent a sort of &quot;unified managment&quot; of DEV / RPM.
+We start on urpmi, and add to urpmi the abilities to encapsulate apt-get ?
+So just easy play &quot; urpmi <A HREF="http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb">http://www.skype.com/download/skype.deb</A>&quot; ;-)
+It's auto-manage dependencies and finaly, urpmi launch &quot;apt-get install&quot;.
+Is it technicaly possible ?
+--
+Bonjour (in EN up)
+Ma suggestion suivante va para?tre d?bile, mais ...
+En cr?ant une nouvelle distribution, ce serait peut-?tre une bonne id?e
+d'inventer _enfin_ une sorte de &quot;gestion unifi?e&quot; des paquetages deb et rpm.
+L'id?e est d'encapsuler apt-get dans urpmi.
+Ainsi, on lance juste urpmi &quot;URL/t?l?chargement/fichier.deb&quot; et ?a g?re
+tout seul les d?pendances.
+Est-ce techniquement possible ?
+
+
+
+Le 26/09/2010 23:55, Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela a ?crit :
+&gt;<i> I personally found no practical advantage of using apt-get vs urpmi,
+</I>&gt;<i> while apt has many nice features urpmi is also solid and works
+</I>&gt;<i> perfectly in most common cases, the only problem you may have is with
+</I>&gt;<i> malformed packages or with erroneous dependency information, in which
+</I>&gt;<i> case the only advantage of apt-get is the fact that Debian takes a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> of care of having correct and working packages, which most RPM based
+</I>&gt;<i> distros does too (you may get problems with 3th party repos but that
+</I>&gt;<i> is another problem).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Being a Mandriva fork we would logically stick with it's tools and
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kristoffer Grundstr?m
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if possible)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> .mageia ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff skrev 2010-09-26 19:44:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 7:13 AM, RAVI KUMAR BALASUBRAMANIAM
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ravikumar17jan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only thing i hate about mandriva is its rpm based packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i prefer apt and deb personally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can understand a personal preference, but why do you believe that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> deb is superior to rpm? Given that Mandriva is already rpm-based, what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> benefit could be derived from abandoning the existing build system and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; From everything I have read, neither system has a clear advantage over
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the other, and the end result of using either is essentially the same.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't believe that changing to a deb-based system would provide any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> significant benefit to justify the expense in terms of re-training
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> devs and creating a new build system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+------------------------------
+
+Message: 2
+Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 19:01:59 -0400
+From: Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4C9FD0E7.8090001 at roadrunner.com</A>&gt;
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
+
+P. Christeas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Let me rant in a rather non-polite tone:
+</I>&gt;<i> why does *every* Linux distro have to be for Windows users?? Why does every
+</I>&gt;<i> product need to be targeted at stupid people? (obvious answer: there is lots
+</I>&gt;<i> of them)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think you have to separate &quot;looking like Windows&quot; from &quot;implementing
+as does Microsoft&quot;. One of the things MS does very well is user
+interface design. What they *don't* do so well is implementation:
+everything is done through the GUI, and MS oversimplifies by making
+choices silently for the user without giving the user the option to
+override.
+
+We're not exactly innocent in this respect either. MDV tools are
+excellent, but they need the closure of a full transparent CLI as well
+as a GUI. Experts and administrators need to be able to provide
+configuration through batch scripts. This is not the case in many
+areas. I do a large number of fresh installs intended to create a new
+system configured as an existing system was, and it's really annoying to
+boot for the first time and then have to invoke several GUIs to do
+things like printer configuration, wireless configuration, and font
+installation.
+
+In many areas, we have lost track of the simple fact that a Graphical
+User Interface should be just that - an *interface* to a modular and
+independent non-graphical module which provides &quot;business logic&quot;. It
+should never be the only way to access the business logic. Hopefully,
+free of Mandriva's corporate restrictions, we can achieve that now.
+
+Another issue is choice. System tools have to provide a range of choice
+suitable for both experts and newbies. While it is acceptable to choose
+defaults that will work for newbies out of the box, it is not acceptable
+to limit choices for everyone to those defaults. We've done this on
+more than one occasion, the most memorable one being to radically change
+and lock down the application menu system and refuse to consider any
+configuration options that would deviate from this.
+
+Finally, there is transparency. MDV tools have in many cases extended
+the standard Linux way of doing things in imaginative and useful ways.
+What they don't do is document those ways so that admins and users used
+to standard Linux ways can manually intervene or provide tool
+extensions without extensive code reading. Also, there are many
+portions of the toolset, e.g. disk partitioning, network sharing,
+setting up VPNs, etc., which involve extremely intrusive and possibly
+destructive operations. All such tools need to have an option, not
+necessarily the default, to display to the user a detailed list of
+changes that the tool proposes to make, and prompt for approval.
+
+The problem here is that advanced users and admins get understandably
+scared when a tool proposes to do something that involves modifying
+multiple critical configuration files or system resources without
+providing the details of the changes so that they can be denied if
+unwanted, or undone later if so desired.
+
+An even better approach would be to have each configuration tool produce
+a program-readable file describing actions it takes, much as RPMs
+provide, so that the tool, or some general tool running on another
+bootable system with access to the root partition of the affected system
+could undo the changes.
+
+I understand why these things were never done in the past.
+Management/marketing (and perhaps even some devs) wanted the
+windows-like newbie simplification, and didn't have the resources or the
+desire to provide the closure of these features. I hope that we can
+move past this.
+
+
+------------------------------
+
+Message: 3
+Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 01:02:35 +0200
+From: vfmBOFH &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">vfmbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+Message-ID:
+ &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">AANLkTimGPtHi0ZUsVAbdYdTC5+F15BXqAasV_tmyTVsp at mail.gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;utf-8&quot;
+
+2010/9/26 Sascha Schneider &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">schneider at zawm.be</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I totally agree to that and I hope Mageia will make this happen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I also agree that at this time Mageia has to saddle as a fork,
+</I>&gt;<i> structures have to be build, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Plus, we wouldn't use Mandriva if we don't like the way it works. So no
+</I>&gt;<i> need to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like
+</I>&gt;<i> that
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My dream would be a very User and Admin friendly Disto
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One Installer CD for Desktop Dualarch - metapacks for the desktop env
+</I>&gt;<i> One Installer CD for a Serverversion inkl. LXDE + MMC-base and metapaks for
+</I>&gt;<i> some spezial apps inkl. the MMC modules (and pulse)
+</I>&gt;<i> One Installer CD for a Virtualserver using f.e. OpenVZ and a MMC based
+</I>&gt;<i> webui and some community templates
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever imagine
+</I>&gt;<i> all with one Distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's very, very near of my own vision for a &quot;perfect&quot; Linux OS. We have
+the big advantage that everything yet still not done. And we count with
+tools (delta-rpms, metapackages) to build a core system with &quot;add-ons&quot; (like
+server packages, desktop packages...) improving modularity and system
+organization.
+
+At the same time, i'm aware that it can be a too big break from the mageia's
+origins (in the meaning of system's scheme and organization). So, if we can
+progressively drive mageia to this new scheme sounds reasonable too.
+
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+Message: 4
+Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 03:01:29 +0300
+From: paulo ricardo &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">paulo_ricardogo at hotmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">SNT124-W3FBA1BA8C0245C166EC709F650 at phx.gbl</A>&gt;
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=&quot;iso-8859-1&quot;
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+
+I am not proposing to replace the &quot;URPMI&quot; by the &quot;APT-RPM! I'm proposing we
+change the &quot;Rpmdrake&quot; with &quot;Synaptic&quot; and keeping the &quot;URPMI!
+The URPMI is very good, plus the &quot;Rpmdrake&quot; is horrible!
+
+We discuss these things before the programming work to eat. We must define how
+the O.S should be! this discussion is important because the GUI package
+management directly influences the daily work in an OS!
+
+My proposal is that we keep the rpm and urpmi! But substitute Rpmdrake by
+Synaptic, and creating a second interface aimed at users with less knowledge.
+
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+Message: 5
+Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 02:19:57 +0200 (CEST)
+From: Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Pine.LNX.4.44.1009270212430.9293-100000 at outpost-priv</A>&gt;
+Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
+
+On Sun, 26 Sep 2010, Carlos Daniel Ruvalcaba Valenzuela wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Being a Mandriva fork we would logically stick with it's tools and
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging system.
+</I>
+Agreed, if we start questioning everything we might as well all go home.
+
+Mandriva/Mageia are rpm distros and I would expect them to stay like
+that otherwise we could just all use Debian or one of it's derivatives.
+
+urpmi is at least as good as apt-get, if anyone finds that urpmi lacks a
+feature that apt-get has, then please suggest it (not now, later when
+Mageia is set up) so it can be considered to add that feature to urpmi,
+but that's definitely not a reason to abandon urpmi.
+
+
+
+------------------------------
+
+Message: 6
+Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 02:56:24 +0200 (CEST)
+From: Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Pine.LNX.4.44.1009270248310.9293-100000 at outpost-priv</A>&gt;
+Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
+
+On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, paulo ricardo wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not proposing to replace the &quot;URPMI&quot; by the &quot;APT-RPM! I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> proposing we change the &quot;Rpmdrake&quot; with &quot;Synaptic&quot; and keeping the
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;URPMI! The URPMI is very good, plus the &quot;Rpmdrake&quot; is horrible!
+</I>
+Instead of saying &quot;rpmdrake is horrible&quot;, it would be more useful if you
+list what you don't like so it can be improved. No tool is perfect, I'm
+sure Synaptic has flaws to, so just switching to Synaptic only means
+trading one set of flaws for another.
+
+Personally I find rpmdrake works perfectly fine (the startup speed
+could need improving though), it does all I need it to do (and I would
+consider myself an advanced user, since I have 15 years Linux experience
+and work as a sysadmin) and then there are always the urpmi CLI tools as
+alternative.
+
+So lets stop wasting time by talking badly about all those things that
+make Mandriva (and therefore Mageia) the great distro it is, and instead
+lets concentrate on improving (rather than replacing) the tools of
+Madriva/Mageia.
+
+
+
+------------------------------
+
+Message: 7
+Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 21:17:21 -0400
+From: Ireneusz Gierlach &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">irek.gierlach at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">4C9FF0A1.6070704 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
+
+ I just thought of this, and I have never seen that done, so I'm not
+sure how it would (if) work exactly.
+I was thinking about creating a specific version of the OS that would
+consist of all development tools required to build packages, develop
+components, etc. This would provide the same environment for all
+developers, and help in bug fixing, as they would all have the same
+packages (by default, I was also thinking about implementing a better
+version of Mandriva's Package Stats with an ability to input a list of
+packages [from the bug reporter] so the tester can automatically
+download the same versions). It is just a thought, but I would love to
+see something like this implemented. I want to see what you guys think
+of this too ;) (I'm trying to create something like this but not for OS
+but for a framework, so I want to see some opinions.)
+
+
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+<PRE>Le 27/09/2010 10:10, Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Pour moi cette id&#233;e est tous sauf d&#233;bile, d'ailleurs j'avais fait la
+</I>&gt;<i> m&#234;me reflexion il y a 2 ans dans les ideas mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le principe existe dans un sens (rpm ---&gt; deb) par le truchement de
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;alien&quot; pourquoi ne pas le faire dans l'autre sens et allez plus loin
+</I>&gt;<i> en int&#233;grant nativement le proc&#233;d&#233; &#224; la distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Je ne crois qu'un utilisateur n&#233;ophite ce pose la question de savoir
+</I>&gt;<i> si il doit utiliser un paquet rpm ou deb ou truc venu de l'espace.....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS : J'ai d'ailleurs fais la m&#234;me reflexion vis &#224; vis de wine qui pour
+</I>&gt;<i> moi devrait &#234;tre fondu dans la distro pour prendre en charge les .exe
+</I>&gt;<i> car une fois de plus l'utilisateur lambda (comme beaucoup des profs et
+</I>&gt;<i> &#233;l&#232;ves que je cotoie) se fiche du nom du syt&#232;me. Ils veulent que se
+</I>&gt;<i> soit beau et que sa fonctionne sans avoir a y passer des heures en
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation et essai. PEUT ON LEUR EN VOULOIR ???
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Donc pour moi +1 :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As said before, please :
+ use the langage chose for the list (english here)
+ do not top-post
+ remove non-pertinent parts of the previous message
+
+Thank you
+
+Marianne / Jehane
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Stop this discussion that is useless, please.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;<i> Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.
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+<PRE>Le 25/09/2010 15:55, Farfouille a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 25/09/2010 14:49, Cassian Braconnnier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To say that Java is &quot;higher level&quot; than C++ is absolutely meaningless.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> C++ is on a par with Java as far as &quot;level&quot; is concerned.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry to contradict you but no there are not, C++ has direct pointer
+</I>&gt;<i> manipulation, no garbage collector, no introspection and no annotation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry also for the ML, because this turn to be a technical discussion.
+</I>I am afraid I don't agree. Please read this thread (in French) on the
+subject :
+<A HREF="http://www.developpez.net/forums/d979620/c-cpp/cpp/langage/t-sens-dire-java-langage-plus-niveau-cpp/">http://www.developpez.net/forums/d979620/c-cpp/cpp/langage/t-sens-dire-java-langage-plus-niveau-cpp/</A>
+However I agree this is too much of a technical issue to be discussed on
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+&gt;<i> Why not create a new format with the best of both worlds (if possible)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> .mageia ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Creating a new format is not that easy (though not impossible). Current .rpm
+or .deb are package formats which started development several years ago.
+Consider also that switching to another package format would require
+re-training for the packagers who might be be used to the .spec file only.
+
+&gt;<i>From technical point of view we have to distinguish the package format,
+</I>which might be .deb, or .rpm from the package frontends (apt, urpmi, yum,
+emerge, etc.) which retrieves packages and their dependency packages from
+the repositories. Actually even on mandriva, some alternative frontend to
+urpmi can be used (IIRC there is &quot;smart&quot;). Speaking about frontends, I had
+the &quot;feeling&quot; that apt bundled with .deb was a little bit faster than
+urpmi+rpm, especially on global upgrades of a whole distro on not so new
+hardware (e.g. an i586...), i.e. upgrading for instance from a mandriva
+2010.0 to a 2010.1 or from a ubuntu 9.04 to 9.10. But maybe it's because
+.deb is doing fewer checks on files, dunno. Remaining on the .rpm world, the
+bundle urpmi+rpm seems to me also faster than yum+rpm.
+
+IMHO it could be also taken under advisement the rpm5 format (
+<A HREF="http://www.rpm5.org">http://www.rpm5.org</A>), that someone already cited for mandriva some time ago.
+IIRC it should be faster than rpm4, and would allow parallel package
+installation.
+
+If comparisons should be made for a decision, maybe on the wiki it could be
+added a table with the basic features of such tools (e.g. performance, LSB
+compliance, coerency, update, docs, compression, etc.), and the advantage of
+switching to a new one or a missed feature.
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+&gt;<i> Right now I'm using googlemail with the mailing lists and it is
+</I>&gt;<i> getting more chaotic every hour.
+</I>
+Never tried googlemail so I am not sure what is chaotic.
+However, i say:
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+Maybe use mailing list delivery to your mail account, and use IMAP to connect
+to your mail account from your computers, clients set to not delete on
+server.
+
+Then your clients can sort as you wish, you can delete efficciently manually
+or have _one_ of your clients set to automatically delete or
+fetch_by_POP+delete messages elder than xx days, or whatever it can do.
+
+Normally clients can make folders on the sefver if you wish to sort mails
+manually (or automatically) and can be set to store sent mail back on a
+separate folder on the server if you wish.
+
+
+I have both my laptop and work computer to connect to a few same accounts, and
+while i think IMAP is not designed for concurrently handling more than one
+client fr each account(?) i have not had much trouble.
+
+I even have my work computer fetch by POP from the work account and leave last
+30 days mail. And i can connect to the same account by IMAP from my lappy to
+check the last months work mail from home, when i travel, whatever.
+And use the other way around for private mail.
+
+Note: i have experienced some clients do not do as i expected,
+byt not sure if it is me or the clients ;) Kmail works for me.
+
+I don&#7787; understand why IMAP seem to be used by so few users.
+Webmail i tried earlier was much slower, clumsier, and limiting.
+
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 26 septembre 2010 &#224; 22:28 -0500, Dwight Paige a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Does anyone really think there's a snowballs chance in New Orleans of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia devs going to .deb packages? Not that there's anything wrong with
+</I>&gt;<i> that...
+</I>
+Well, going to deb would requires rewrite all specs files, and most of
+the installer. Not to mention that this would requires to change
+buildsystem, and requires lots of formation of packagers, and rewite all
+the documentation and the policy.
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+So, while there is nothing wrong with .deb, this is &quot;no&quot;.
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+<PRE>2010/9/27 isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stop this discussion that is useless, please.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+With all the respect, but I don't like this tone of shutting up people, who
+might have a less technical skills, especially in a phase of brainstorming
+where everyone show entusiasm on partecipating even with the most crazy
+idea, and also because the trolling level has not yet been reached.
+Sometimes a brilliant idea might come or be inspired even from the most
+dumbest suggestion.
+
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+<PRE>On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:22 PM, paulo ricardo
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">paulo_ricardogo at hotmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> When the mandrake joined with Conectiva they will throw away the package
+</I>&gt;<i> manager developed by the Brazilian company, the &quot;Synaptic&quot;!&#160;Synaptic began
+</I>&gt;<i> to be adopted in debian systems, and these systems now exceed the mandriva!
+</I>
+I think you meant Smart not Synaptics. Smart is still available in the
+Mandriva repos.
+
+&lt;rant&gt;
+I just love these kind of pointless threads. I still haven't seen any
+arguments why rpm,urpmi and rpmdrake are bad or what would be gained
+by switching to deb, apt, synaptics or whatever gizmo of the day.
+However, what I *can* see is that most of these &quot;arguments&quot; (or lack
+of thereof) stem from GUI preferences of individual people, not any
+technical merits of one system or another. Making decisions with
+profound impact isn't going (hopefully!) happen on who is the most
+vocal person, so please - either provide real arguments, or stop this
+pointless discussion. Even better, just stop it, because this topic
+was rehashed ad-nauseam on Cooker several times already and I do not
+see what we gain by producing more useless e-mail traffic.
+&lt;/rant&gt;
+
+Many thanks,
+
+Jan
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-09-27
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 26 septembre 2010 &#224; 22:28 -0500, Dwight Paige a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia devs going to .deb packages? Not that there's anything wrong with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that...
+</I>The question is: why? There's nothing wrong with rpm, either.
+
+&gt;<i> So, while there is nothing wrong with .deb, this is &quot;no&quot;.
+</I>Thanks!
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+&gt;<i> Den 2010-09-26 18:58:22 skrev Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Right now I'm using googlemail with the mailing lists and it is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; getting more chaotic every hour.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Never tried googlemail so I am not sure what is chaotic.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, i say:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+[...]
+
+ /Morgan
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+As already said several on this same Mailing List : *please don't break the
+threads !
+*
+Thank you on behalf of people who try to read the incredible number of email
+which arrives on this list...
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+<PRE>For my installation, I have pulled this question out of the installation
+phase. I use post-installation scripts that verify which packages are
+there and which are still missing (also want to automatically throw out
+unneeded packages, but that is hairy).
+
+This approach has the advantage that it does not require to modify the
+installation process and that the scripts can be based on user (or
+group-of-users)-provided files with names of packages. I understand that
+the &quot;do everything during installation&quot; approach is excellent for users
+that want to get a ready-made box out of installation. Here we are
+discussing users with more complex requirements.
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+ <B>Mihai Dobrescu</B>
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+<PRE>&lt;IMHO&gt;
+There is no perfect tool as there is no real reason to switch from .rpm to
+.deb or viceversa.
+I have always wondered, though there are many open source projects free to
+derive or contribute, why people prefer to make it again and again from
+scratch?
+There are some issues in any, but we could also find at least two suitable
+for our needs.
+Let's polish existent tools until they fit our needs.
+urpmi is good enough. Let's fix it where is wrong, let's add new features
+when needed.
+Alternately, let contribute with some other tools until they are accepted,
+if they are worthy, they'll be.
+Let's focus on real problems. There is no distro yet, let's find what we
+expect from the new one. Let's do it.
+We need to forget about fashion if there are no real arguments to change
+something.
+If something is not broken, don't fix it.
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+ <B>Juergen Harms</B>
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+<PRE>On 09/27/2010 02:19 AM, Tux99 wrote:
+&gt;<i> Agreed, if we start questioning everything we might as well all go home.
+</I>
+Agreed again.
+
+The first priority of Mageia is to publish, within a relatively short
+time and with excellent quality, a release - and, as a base for that, to
+get organised.
+
+Proposed changes should consider priorities: changes that can be made
+now - possibly profitting from the &quot;new start&quot; situation, and that can
+be done with a relatively small effort and do not risk to introduce
+instability. And changes that Mageia will have to make later - and must
+make in order to remain leading edge. (Changing implementaion language
+or switching to another package manager is a risk for stability: needs
+time for careful planning and testing - not even discussing the time
+needed for implementation).
+
+I expect that this kind of discussion will come natural in a community
+distribution where users (developpers and simple uses) must determine
+the future. But they need a somewhat organised structure for an
+organised debate. I think that this mailing list risks to get drowned if
+this kind of debate is pursued beyond mentioning and sorting out initial
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+ <B>Franklin Weng</B>
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+
+IMO, I don't care to use deb, rpm or even .mag(eia). What I care is to have a
+fast-enough updates for software packages.
+
+I used to run some web sites. One web site ran on CentOS (which was installed
+by the host manager). Then I found that it was not easy to upgrade my PHP to
+5.2 because there was no such update on its official repositary. Now the same
+web site is running on debian, but the condition is similar. I need to find a
+3rd party repositary for PHP 5.3. For some other web sites or servers running
+Mandriva it does not have such problems. That's one of the main reason why I
+am stuck on the Mandriva now.
+
+So, being rpm or deb is not an issue for me. I just hope to have good-
+quality and fast-enough repositary updates, especially for KDE, PHP, python,
+... etc.
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+ <B>Dimitrios Glentadakis</B>
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+an excellent combination with the quality of rpm ( i prefer than deb) and
+the speed and performance of urpmi (the best rpm tool)
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+Mageia is the name of the project.. There's no plan to change it, at
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+Cheers!
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+Today, Mandriva / Mageia are far from that &quot;baby&quot; they were once. So,
+Gael's participation is not &quot;crucial&quot; nor &quot;critical&quot;. However, no one
+can deny that he can contribute very interesting things.
+
+He is welcome to join Mageia, as everyone. After all, Gael was, once,
+Mandrake's father. And he's part of Mandriva / Mageia history.
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+ <B>Lombard Marianne</B>
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+&gt;<i> I wanted to reply earlier but this thread had gotten lost in the deluge.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that it should be up to Mageia to make the first move, given the
+</I>&gt;<i> circumstances of Ga&#235;l's departure from Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i> He may be hesitant to offer to join not knowing if he would be welcomed.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or if Mageia would want the potential negative speculations behind such
+</I>&gt;<i> a move or add to Mandriva's discomfort.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ga&#235;l Duval has give his position about Mageia. A obvious lack of interest
+
+<A HREF="http://twitter.com/gael_duval/status/25676929149">http://twitter.com/gael_duval/status/25676929149</A>
+
+Marianne / Jehane
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a lot of chocolate) - Terry Pratchett
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I agree. The look needs to be completely different.
+</I>
+&gt;<i> So do I. For both environments (kde and gnome), kde looks too much like w$$
+</I>&gt;<i> and gnome old fashioned (moreover the choices for changing themes is
+</I>&gt;<i> limited).
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+If we want to be offering a smooth upgrade path from Mandriva, then
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+A lot of work and attention to detail has gone into Ia Ora. Why not
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ga&#235;l Duval has give his position about Mageia. A obvious lack of interest
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://twitter.com/gael_duval/status/25676929149">http://twitter.com/gael_duval/status/25676929149</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marianne / Jehane
+</I>
+More like he would be in conflict of interest if he joined. Also,
+Mageia is pretty much only a name right now, his economical interests
+are obviously with Ulteo.
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+</I>&gt;<i> More like he would be in conflict of interest if he joined. Also,
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia is pretty much only a name right now, his economical interests
+</I>&gt;<i> are obviously with Ulteo.
+</I>
+There's a difference between &quot;joining&quot; and &quot;commenting&quot;. I was a bit
+surprised when he told me the same this morning when I asked him to
+comment on Mageia for an article I'm writing. The more as I've been
+working for/with him for some years.
+
+Anyhow, he made his statement and that's all there is to say.
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+ <B>Reinout van Schouwen</B>
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+&gt;<i> Sometimes a brilliant idea might come or be inspired even from the most
+</I>&gt;<i> dumbest suggestion.
+</I>
+Yes, but abusing the fact of the creation of a new distro to ride your
+rpm-vs-deb hobby horse is definitely going to scare away people who
+really want to contribute something. Unless the person who suggests
+switching package format is prepared to re-package thousands of rpms
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+[mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Dimitrios
+Glentadakis
+Envoy&#233;&#160;: 24 septembre 2010 16:19
+&#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+
+2010/9/24 atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+Also Mandriva Turkiye community (which is active since 2008) decided
+to support both Mandriva and Mageia through our mandrivaturkiye.com
+and forum.mandrivaturkiye.com sites.
+_______________________________________________
+&#160;
+
+the greek community too :)
+&#160;
+
+Technically, how do you will proceed to this change?
+You will rename anything in your mandriva domain to mageia ? or you will do a
+new domain and restart everything by zero? I ask this because i want to avoid
+to break the site with a mistake. This probably is a question to the
+webmasters/admins
+
+
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
+
+-------------------------------------------------------
+
+Hi Dimitrios,
+
+Sorry, I never saw your message through the big flow of message coming from
+this list.... ;)
+
+Once we have the permission to use the name Mageia in MLO, we'll rename
+everything in our domain and get a new domain name. We'll have some breakage,
+but I estimated it'll be of no real consequences and easy to address.
+
+Pat
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+</I>&gt;<i> In short, there would be no problem for Mageia to maintain a list of third
+</I>&gt;<i> parties wanting to do commercial support, as long as Mageia is not a party
+</I>&gt;<i> to such transactions.
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+This exactly was my point in my previous mail on this topic.
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+
+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> Once we have the permission to use the name Mageia in MLO, we'll rename
+</I>&gt;<i> everything in our domain and get a new domain name. We'll have some
+</I>&gt;<i> breakage,
+</I>&gt;<i> but I estimated it'll be of no real consequences and easy to address.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Pat
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Ok thanks, this is what i wanted to know ( il a du boulot! :) )
+
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B>
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+<PRE>Dare I offer a suggestion aimed at those listers who speak/write little
+English: could it be all right for them to post their best effort in English,
+_and_ also post in their native language ?
+
+This would help those who speak the other idiom to get the full sense of the
+posting, if the approximative English is not completely clear, while also
+conveying an idea to the full list.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Personne n'aime les missionnaires arm&#233;s;
+ et le premier conseil que donnent la nature et la prudence,
+ c'est de les repousser comme des ennemis.
+ -- Maximilien Robespierre
+
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+<PRE>Le lundi 27 septembre 2010 &#224; 08:48 -0400, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Dare I offer a suggestion aimed at those listers who speak/write little
+</I>&gt;<i> English: could it be all right for them to post their best effort in English,
+</I>&gt;<i> _and_ also post in their native language ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This would help those who speak the other idiom to get the full sense of the
+</I>&gt;<i> posting, if the approximative English is not completely clear, while also
+</I>&gt;<i> conveying an idea to the full list.
+</I>
+I would more ask them to get in touch with someone speaking english so
+they can improve their skills, and ensure that it doesn't create a
+divide between those that speak only english, and those that speak
+english and others languages.
+
+The local community can perfectly help for that, imho.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE> 27.09.2010 15:48, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> Dare I offer a suggestion aimed at those listers who speak/write little
+</I>&gt;<i> English: could it be all right for them to post their best effort in English,
+</I>&gt;<i> _and_ also post in their native language ?
+</I>I don't think it's a good idea. Bad english is still better than another language that i
+don't understand at all.
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+&gt;<i> I would more ask them to get in touch with someone speaking english so
+</I>&gt;<i> they can improve their skills, and ensure that it doesn't create a
+</I>&gt;<i> divide between those that speak only english, and those that speak
+</I>&gt;<i> english and others languages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The local community can perfectly help for that, imho.
+</I>+1
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+<PRE>IMHO, not a good idea.
+
+I'm Spanish speaker, and I could write my mails in English and Spanish.
+
+But the people I'm discussing with, are from many different countries
+and languages. If the person who answer me is German, and he writes
+his reply in English and German, you have that Spanish speaking people
+who was following my mail, can't read not the English nor the German.
+
+So, let's keep using English as common language.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+tavillo1980
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+<PRE>Le lundi 27 septembre 2010 01:02:35, vfmBOFH a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Plus, we wouldn't use Mandriva if we don't like the way it works. So no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need to change to deb or make Gnome the primer Desktop Env. or stuff like
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that
+</I>
+ I agree.
+
+ I an informatic idiot,really, It's funny and anectotic but I installed my
+first Linux a Mandrake 7.2 because I was unable to restart my Windows Me!
+Nevertheless I have tested a lot of distrib and I fav Mandriva for KDE and
+MCC ( otherwise I have an Ubuntu on my second PC...)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; In my opinion with this simple trippelisation you can arrange all kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; home, business, school, multimedia, netbook ... structures you ever
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; imagine all with one Distro.
+</I>
+ for a time It was an Mandriva's installer option.
+ A thing I would like is a simple way to active a &quot;personnal cloud&quot; (for
+synchronise my mails, docs...) Zarafa and others are certainly a good solution
+but a mess for a simply user.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At the same time, i'm aware that it can be a too big break from the
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia's origins (in the meaning of system's scheme and organization). So,
+</I>&gt;<i> if we can progressively drive mageia to this new scheme sounds reasonable
+</I>&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> I wish it will be... I am a bit affraid by some requests for a &quot;real Linux
+for real hacker&quot;, for me it's more the Debian market place; I think well about
+Debian... but I don't use it! ;)
+
+ franck
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:30 AM, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; hi to all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i too have decided to join mageia : ) i'm marcello anni, i'm 23 years
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; old, i study economics and i use mandriva since 2003. i can contribute
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as italian wiki maintainer, as translator (for various tasks) and as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; promoter/news writer and similar.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could you summarize in a few words the decisions taken so far in this ML?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thank you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Marcello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Besides the information sent by Lombard, you might want to join the
+</I>&gt;<i> internationalization mailing list <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-i18n at mageia.org.</A> See Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> i18n mailing list page:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>already done : )
+&gt;<i> Salut,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sinner
+</I>
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>On 20 September 2010 00:14, Martial Saunois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">martial.saunois at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> The integration of the current MCC with the desktop environment is not very
+</I>&gt;<i> good.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to use Qt tools for my Kde, and Gtk tools for my Gnome.
+</I>
+It's doable for simple tools that are using the interactive layer
+
+<A HREF="http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/interactive.pm">http://svn.mandriva.com/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/soft/drakx/trunk/perl-install/interactive.pm</A>
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+
+One would &quot;just&quot; have to write a qt backend.
+However for more complex tools, they're already targeting gtk+
+directly (well, through mygtk2 and ugtk2) so one would have to write a
+second GUI from scratch.
+More bugs, more IHM issues IMHO
+I think it would be better to use our ressources in enhancing the
+qt-gtk bridge and polishing there &amp; there.
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+ <B>Juan Carlos de la Cruz</B>
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+
+I've observed that the Mageia project's donations page (
+<A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org/">http://donation.mageia.org/</A>) has currently been translated to most of the
+languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.
+
+Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language? If you are
+so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an
+attached html file?
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've observed that the Mageia project's donations page
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org/">http://donation.mageia.org/</A>) has currently been translated to most of the
+</I>&gt;<i> languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language? If you are
+</I>&gt;<i> so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an
+</I>&gt;<i> attached html file? contribution
+</I>
+It's ok. Thanks for you
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+
+
+--
+-------
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/27 Juan Carlos de la Cruz &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pcboltzmann at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've observed that the Mageia project's donations page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (<A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org/">http://donation.mageia.org/</A>) has currently been translated to most of
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language? If you are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; attached html file? contribution
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's ok. Thanks for you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Here you are!
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Dare I offer a suggestion aimed at those listers who speak/write little
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; English: could it be all right for them to post their best effort in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; English, and also post in their native language ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I don't think it's a good idea. Bad english is still better than another
+</I>&gt;<i> language that i don't understand at all.
+</I>
+You did not bother to read my proposal to the end: I suggest they post in
+(broken English _and_ in their own language.
+
+So you get the bad English, and others can benefit from the other language.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
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+ Experience comes from bad judgement.
+ -- Jim Horning
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+&gt;<i> I used Synaptic and leaves much to be desired in some respects, especially
+</I>&gt;<i> with the handling of dependencies, is confusing and anything but a novice
+</I>&gt;<i> can use it easily. If anything I liked on Mandrake and Mandriva was so
+</I>&gt;<i> easy to use rpmdrake.
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+&gt;<i> So gmane doesn't seem to be a good solution, isn't it ?
+</I>
+ Very smooth here - using Pan newsreader under Mandriva 2010.1.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pcboltzmann at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've observed that the Mageia project's donations page
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org/">http://donation.mageia.org/</A>) has currently been translated to most of the
+</I>&gt;<i> languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language? If you are
+</I>&gt;<i> so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an
+</I>&gt;<i> attached html file?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>
+Hi Juan Carlos,
+If you want, you can join the Spanish translation team MdkTrans at
+www.blogdrake.net.
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+Regards,
+
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+<PRE> &gt; I would more ask them to get in touch with someone speaking english so
+ &gt; they can improve their skills, and ensure that it doesn't create a
+ &gt; divide between those that speak only english, and those that speak
+ &gt; english and others languages.
+ &gt; So, let's keep using English as common language.
+
+
+EN : (en FR en-dessous)
+
+Okay,
+But if we go in this direction you just give the advantage to the less
+bad wordl spoke language of the moment (compliancy of - low level - in
+computing concepts).
+BUT : When all chineses people will have their own access to internet,
+you can be sure that the _ new _ less bad world spoke language will be
+chinese (just 1 little billion of speakers ;-) ).
+Are you ready to adapt you when a chinese people will serve you this
+argument : &quot;now chinese is the most spoke language, also your learn good
+chinese or shut-up !&quot;. Certainly not: We have to respect the native
+culture of each person in the world.
+
+Me, I have the chance to read german and russian too (I practice more
+bad than english) and when I have these languages, I make the effort to
+read them. Spanish is not so far than french. If you write in spanish, I
+will read yours 2 versions for understand exactly (saying less bad) what
+you have in mind.
+
+For me, the better solution is to speak in the native language of your
+interlocutor and he respond to you in your native language (like french
+/ german army in 1960).
+You know, if I don't speak in spanish, its only because I'm not so
+educated for speak in your language. But I think that it's a better
+respect to speak in the native language of the person.
+But, when there are a lot of readers, an other solution for transmit
+it's think is to speak in its own language (for be sure to give it's
+mind), and a language spoke by a lot of people (for the most comprehension).
+
+For me english is not THE culture of the world ... and a lot of
+countries are thinking that.
+
+
+FR : (in EN up) -----------------------------------------------
+
+
+D'accord, mais en allant dans cette direction vous donnez l'avantage &#224;
+la langue la moins mal parl&#233;e dans le monde (en informatique, c'est la
+concept de compatibilit&#233; de plus bas niveau).
+Lorsque tous les chinois auront leur propre acc&#232;s &#224; Internet, vous
+pouvez &#234;tre s&#251;r que &quot;la nouvelle langue la moins mal parl&#233;e&quot; sera
+chinois (juste un milliard de pratiquants;-) ).
+&#202;tes-vous pr&#234;t &#224; vous adapter, quand un chinois vous servira cet
+argument: &#171; la langue la plus parl&#233;e est le chinois, alors apprenez &#224;
+bien la parler ou taisez-vous !&quot;. Certainement pas: Nous devons
+respecter la culture maternelle de chaque personne dans le monde.
+
+Moi, j'ai la chance de lire l'allemand et le russe (que je pratique
+d'ailleurs encore plus mal que l'anglais), mais quand j'ai ces langues,
+je fais l'effort de les lire. L'espagnol n'est pas si loin que le
+fran&#231;ais. Si vous &#233;crivez en espagnol, je vais lire v&#244;tre texte dans les
+2 versions pour comprendre exactement (disons le moins mal) ce que vous
+avez &#224; l'esprit.
+
+Pour moi, la meilleure solution est de parler dans la langue maternelle
+de votre interlocuteur et qu'il vous r&#233;ponde dans votre langue
+maternelle (comme pratiquaient l'arm&#233;e fran&#231;aise et allemand en 1960
+lors de leurs manoeuvres communes).
+Vous savez, si je ne parle pas en espagnol, c'est seulement parce que je
+ne suis pas instruit pour parler dans votre langue. Mais je pense que
+c'est un plus grand respect que de s'exprimer dans la langue maternelle
+de son interlocuteur.
+Mais, quand il y a beaucoup de lecteurs, une autre solution pour
+transmettre ces pens&#233;es, c'est de parler dans sa propre langue (pour
+&#234;tre s&#251;r de donner ce que l'on a &#224; l'esprit), et un dans un langage
+parl&#233; par un grand nombre de personnes (pour &#234;tre compris au mieux par
+tous).
+
+Pour moi, l'anglais n'est pas LA culture du monde ... et beaucoup de
+pays pensent &#231;a.
+
+
+
+Le 27/09/2010 15:07, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> IMHO, not a good idea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm Spanish speaker, and I could write my mails in English and Spanish.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But the people I'm discussing with, are from many different countries
+</I>&gt;<i> and languages. If the person who answer me is German, and he writes
+</I>&gt;<i> his reply in English and German, you have that Spanish speaking people
+</I>&gt;<i> who was following my mail, can't read not the English nor the German.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's keep using English as common language.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>Lucien
+
+I understand your point. Believe me that I do.
+
+But you/me/we can't just tell people that they must learn all languages.
+
+We must find a common language. Since decades, schools all around the
+world have being teaching English to students. It's changing now.
+
+Here, in Argentina, schools started many years ago to teach Portuguese
+because of the MERCOSUR. And because of Brazil's economic power.
+
+You're right about Chinese. It will be the most spoken language. Maybe
+schools will teach Chinese instead of English.
+
+For me, with almost 30 years and with many years of English at school,
+it's very difficult to learn another language. I guess, many people is
+in the same situation than me.
+
+Maybe, in ten years from now, 2010 kids will be men and will speak Chinese well.
+
+But grown man like me, in 2010, live different situation.
+
+So, my vote is to keep using English today. Tomorrow, if situation
+changes, we'll must adapt or remain in silence.
+
+Regards.
+
+
+
+tavillo1980
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+<PRE>2010/9/27 Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 00:39:27 +0300, Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can you please stop this deb vs rpm battle. urpm* is one of the reasons
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> why Mandriva is what it is, it's a brilliant tool and @ command line it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kicks apt's butt. Dropping urpm* would be pointless
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> /\/\aurice
+</I>
+Agreed. DEB/APT offers no clear, superior benefit to make scrapping
+RPM/urmp* any benefit to Mageia.
+
+Keep what works. Fix what's broken. Eliminate what's useless.
+
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+<PRE>On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 17:49, Lucien-Henry Horvath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tempo2 at marneau.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> For me english is not THE culture of the world ... and a lot of countries
+</I>&gt;<i> are thinking that.
+</I>
+So do I. It does not prevent me from using English when I believe it
+is the most appropriate communication tool.
+
+It's not a matter of &quot;which is the most spoken language&quot; or &quot;which
+would be the one world language&quot; for culture or anything else
+(nonsense). Far from that, for a native English speaker (even a native
+American English speaker) must certainly have a hard time not to
+correct people all the time here. :-)
+
+It's a matter of having a common &quot;working language&quot; for everyone. Here
+(mageia-discuss), we use English as a lingua franca/vehicular
+language. Because:
+ - it's the most likely available international language that we, the
+founding team, manage to read/write/speak;
+ - it's the most likely common language for everyone we expect to
+involve in this project at this time;
+ - we're not in this to promote full interaction in each other native
+language (that would be a nice challenge great, but it's not this
+place's goal).
+
+In other places, you/we may/will use locally more appropriate idioms
+(blogs, other local ml, websites, forums).
+
+Mageia-discuss is a list:
+ - where people can resonate discussions from other places/idioms;
+ - from which people can translate/purport discussions to other places/idioms.
+
+We use &quot;English&quot; here. Note that doesn't prevent from using local
+pieces of idioms when in context and explained.
+
+Cheers! Sant&#233; !
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>EN (FR en dessous) :
+
+I'm not against to speak in english in our discussion because it's a
+fact : english is today the most quick spoke language.
+(and as you see, I speak in english first in this post for example).
+But, my point of view is that speaking in english is not permitting to
+give others the completness of it's mind. A man speak better in it's own
+natural tongue.
+I say : with the 2 languages in each post (english for all, mothertongue
+for true), we give us a better chance to be understood. This questions
+is not a must for those who are &quot;fluents in english&quot;, but that will help
+for the others.
+I take my poor personal example: for be sure to be understood, I write
+first in english with my words, translate with google and ... after
+write a corrected version in the 2 languages. (I just seeing that we
+saying not motherthong, but mothertongue ;-) ).
+In excluding of discussion those who don't speak fluently in english,
+you loose a part of the power of the common reflexion / work. You make a
+cast system : the strong, and the others. But in computing, it is not
+because you speak bad in english that you are coding bad. For me must
+important is to do a good job, not a good &quot;blabla&quot;.
+
+So, I support this idea : Accept the 2 speaks in the posts :
+- 1 english (better as possible)
+- 2 mothertongue
+It's more long, but safer for understanding.
+
+FR (EN up) :
+
+Je ne suis pas contre de parler en anglais dans notre discussion, car
+c'est un fait: l'anglais est aujourd'hui la langue la plus rapide a parler.
+(Et comme vous le voyez, je parle en anglais d'abord dans ce poste par
+exemple).
+Mais, mon point de vue est que de parler en anglais ne permet pas de
+donner aux autres la compl&#233;tude ce que l'on a &#224; l'esprit. Un homme parle
+mieux dans sa propre langue naturelle.
+Je dis : avec les 2 langues dans chaque post (en anglais pour tous, en
+langue maternelle pour &#234;tre s&#251;r), nous nous donnons une meilleure chance
+d'&#234;tre compris. Cette question n'est pas une obligation pour ceux qui
+parlent l'anglais courrament, mais qui aidera pour les autres.
+Je prends mon pauvre exemple personnel: pour &#234;tre s&#251;r d'&#234;tre compris,
+j'&#233;cris d'abord en anglais avec mes mots, puis traduit avec Google et
+... apr&#232;s &#233;crit une version corrig&#233;e dans les 2 langues. (Je viens de
+voir qu'on ne dit pas motherthong, mais mothertongue pour langue
+maternelle ;-) ).
+En excluant de la discussion ceux qui ne parlent pas couramment
+l'anglais, vous perdez une partie de la puissance de la r&#233;flexion
+commune / travail. Vous faites un syst&#232;me de castes: les forts, et les
+autres. Mais dans le calcul, ce n'est pas parce que vous parlez mal en
+anglais que vous &#234;tes un mauvais codeur. Pour moi, doit l'important est
+de faire un bon travail, pas un bon &quot;blabla&quot;.
+
+Aussi je soutiens cette id&#233;e : Accepter les 2 langues dans les posts :
+- 1 anglais (le meilleur possible)
+- 2 langue maternelle
+C'est plus long &#224; &#233;crire, mais plus s&#251;r pour la compr&#233;hension.
+
+
+Le 27/09/2010 18:09, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Lucien
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I understand your point. Believe me that I do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But you/me/we can't just tell people that they must learn all languages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We must find a common language. Since decades, schools all around the
+</I>&gt;<i> world have being teaching English to students. It's changing now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here, in Argentina, schools started many years ago to teach Portuguese
+</I>&gt;<i> because of the MERCOSUR. And because of Brazil's economic power.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You're right about Chinese. It will be the most spoken language. Maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> schools will teach Chinese instead of English.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For me, with almost 30 years and with many years of English at school,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's very difficult to learn another language. I guess, many people is
+</I>&gt;<i> in the same situation than me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe, in ten years from now, 2010 kids will be men and will speak Chinese well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But grown man like me, in 2010, live different situation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, my vote is to keep using English today. Tomorrow, if situation
+</I>&gt;<i> changes, we'll must adapt or remain in silence.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tempo2 at marneau.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, my vote is to keep using English today. &#160;Tomorrow, if situation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changes, we'll must adapt or remain in silence.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>
+As a native American English speaker having worked on English
+translations of non-English writing, I can appreciate the frustration
+of non-native English speakers. English is a complex, convoluted and
+idiom-riddled mashup language.
+
+Thanks to everybody for making the effort to use it at all; many
+native speakers struggle with it as well.
+
+--
+Hoyt Duff
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+<PRE> Am 23.09.2010 14:33, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
+</I>&gt;<i> think that all Germans run around in Lederhosen, drinking beer and
+</I>&gt;<i> eating Sauerkraut, listening to Blaskapelle and singing about
+</I>&gt;<i> Gem&#252;tlichkeit).
+</I>Pssst, do not shout this out so loudly. They could take a look
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+opinion that we have something simlar to &quot;rednecks&quot; in germany :).
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/27 Jan Ciger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jan.ciger at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:22 PM, paulo ricardo
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">paulo_ricardogo at hotmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When the mandrake joined with Conectiva they will throw away the package
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> manager developed by the Brazilian company, the &quot;Synaptic&quot;!&#160;Synaptic began
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be adopted in debian systems, and these systems now exceed the mandriva!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you meant Smart not Synaptics. Smart is still available in the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva repos.
+</I>I think what might be referred to is that Conectiva was the one who
+originally did the port of apt to rpm and was using it.
+AFAIK Gustavo Niemeyer who's the author of smart and the last person
+who maintained apt at Conectiva, started working on smart as a
+replacement for apt due to various issues with it. I don't really know
+if Conectiva really got around to replacing apt with smart before
+being bought by Mandriva, but the original plan IIRC was for smart to
+eventually replace urpmi, but Niemeyer left Mandriva to work at
+Canonical only a few months after..
+
+Personally I've been intimate with the code of both apt &amp; smart, and I
+must say that
+I was much happier doing development on smart, apt code wasn't very nice..
+Also apt for rpm development has pretty much died since, with upstream
+being pronounced dead and other distributions such as Ark Linux which
+used apt in the past, has abandoned it as well as a result..
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;rant&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I just love these kind of pointless threads. I still haven't seen any
+</I>&gt;<i> arguments why rpm,urpmi and rpmdrake are bad or what would be gained
+</I>&gt;<i> by switching to deb, apt, synaptics or whatever gizmo of the day.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, what I *can* see is that most of these &quot;arguments&quot; (or lack
+</I>&gt;<i> of thereof) stem from GUI preferences of individual people, not any
+</I>&gt;<i> technical merits of one system or another. Making decisions with
+</I>&gt;<i> profound impact isn't going (hopefully!) happen on who is the most
+</I>&gt;<i> vocal person, so please - either provide real arguments, or stop this
+</I>&gt;<i> pointless discussion. Even better, just stop it, because this topic
+</I>&gt;<i> was rehashed ad-nauseam on Cooker several times already and I do not
+</I>&gt;<i> see what we gain by producing more useless e-mail traffic.
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;/rant&gt;
+</I>Opting for smart OTOH is something a lot of good arguments could be
+made in favor of, but that's really out of scope for this thread
+anyways.. ;)
+
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+ <B>Erwan Velu</B>
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+ <I>Mon Sep 27 22:17:36 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Le 21/09/2010 22:19, Ignacio Salcedo a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I have proposed this model:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/ignacioprofile/5011912313/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> , on the other hand, an idea, always a good concept.
+</I>
+Hey,
+
+I have to admit that I really like this one. Shapes are pure, design is
+light. By far, the best I ever seen for this project.
+
+That said, would it be possible to see some variations regarding the
+baseline color ?
+
+The only point I have regarding this logo is the font that looks like
+too much medieval from my taste.
+
+Anyway, great job !
+
+Erwan,
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+<PRE><A HREF="http://mageia-br.org">http://mageia-br.org</A> is runing under Windows Server 2003 according <A HREF="http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F">http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F</A> . Isn't official. Don't use it.
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+ <B>Andre Machado</B>
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language? If you are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; attached html file?
+</I>
+
+
+Cool! Send it to Ma&#227;t, he is doing that. You can find it at IRC channel #mageia
+at irc.freenode.net . I send pt-br translations to him as html files, so, no
+problems.
+
+Welcome!
+
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+<LI><A HREF="001390.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
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+
+<LI><A HREF="001354.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss - rpm or deb?
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+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
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+<LI><A HREF="001397.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
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+<I>Maurice Batey
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+<LI><A HREF="001399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
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+<LI><A HREF="001398.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
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+<LI><A HREF="001400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
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+
+<LI><A HREF="001379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001382.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="001357.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001363.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
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+<I>Oliver Burger
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+<LI><A HREF="001348.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
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+<LI><A HREF="001350.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
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+<I>P. Christeas
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+<LI><A HREF="001362.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
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+<I>Jan Ciger
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+<LI><A HREF="001378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
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+<I>Jan Ciger
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+<LI><A HREF="001392.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
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+<LI><A HREF="001394.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
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+<LI><A HREF="001364.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads - Use IMAP?
+</A><A NAME="1364">&nbsp;</A>
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+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
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+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
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+<LI><A HREF="001381.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="001403.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
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+<I>Hoyt Duff
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+<I>Shlomi Fish
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+</A><A NAME="1345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
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+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
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+</A><A NAME="1358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
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+<LI><A HREF="001361.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="001370.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia&#180;s Blog translate
+</A><A NAME="1370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="001371.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia - naming
+</A><A NAME="1371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
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+</A><A NAME="1372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
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+<LI><A HREF="001373.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
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+</A><A NAME="1374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001388.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001402.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001339.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001369.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001383.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001365.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001367.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001333.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001401.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001405.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001407.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001359.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads - Use IMAP?
+</A><A NAME="1359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001386.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001387.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001410.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss - rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001384.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001396.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001343.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001344.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001340.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001385.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001377.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001380.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001337.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001338.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001409.html">[Mageia-discuss] Comments on Ignacio's logo
+</A><A NAME="1409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001391.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001342.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-se.org
+</A><A NAME="1342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001368.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001341.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001347.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001404.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001351.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001352.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001356.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001393.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paulo ricardo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001332.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Sep 27 23:57:34 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Sep 28 00:00:14 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <h1>27 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Sep 27 00:16:59 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Sep 27 23:57:34 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 81<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001333.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001332.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paulo ricardo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001337.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001338.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001339.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001340.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001368.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001341.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001342.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-se.org
+</A><A NAME="1342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001343.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001344.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001345.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001347.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001348.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001349.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001350.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001351.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001352.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001353.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001354.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss - rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss - rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001356.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001357.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001358.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001359.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads - Use IMAP?
+</A><A NAME="1359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001361.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001363.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001362.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001364.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads - Use IMAP?
+</A><A NAME="1364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001365.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001366.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001367.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001369.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001370.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia&#180;s Blog translate
+</A><A NAME="1370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001371.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia - naming
+</A><A NAME="1371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001372.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001373.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001374.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="1374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001377.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001381.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001380.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001382.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001383.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001384.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001385.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001386.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001387.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001388.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001390.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001391.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001392.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001393.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001394.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001396.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001397.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001398.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001401.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001402.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001403.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001404.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001405.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001406.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001407.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001409.html">[Mageia-discuss] Comments on Ignacio's logo
+</A><A NAME="1409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001410.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Sep 27 23:57:34 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Sep 28 00:00:14 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>27 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Sep 27 00:16:59 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Sep 27 23:57:34 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 81<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001374.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="1374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001409.html">[Mageia-discuss] Comments on Ignacio's logo
+</A><A NAME="1409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001341.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001382.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001392.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001393.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001394.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001391.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001359.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads - Use IMAP?
+</A><A NAME="1359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001364.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads - Use IMAP?
+</A><A NAME="1364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001384.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001385.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001386.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001387.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001388.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001396.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001401.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001402.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001404.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001405.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001406.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001371.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia - naming
+</A><A NAME="1371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001339.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001347.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001365.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001336.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paulo ricardo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001338.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001343.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001344.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001363.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001362.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001366.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001397.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1335">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001349.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001350.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>franck
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001354.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss - rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss - rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001342.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-se.org
+</A><A NAME="1342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001370.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia&#180;s Blog translate
+</A><A NAME="1370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001381.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001383.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001373.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001351.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001353.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001377.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001352.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001407.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001390.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001333.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001332.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001337.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001340.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001368.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001345.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001348.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001356.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001358.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001361.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001367.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001369.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001380.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001398.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001403.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001357.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001372.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001410.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Sep 27 23:57:34 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Sep 28 00:00:14 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>27 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Sep 27 00:16:59 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Sep 27 23:57:34 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 81<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285539419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001331.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1331">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285540844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001333.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1333">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285540844-01285567774- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001348.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1348">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285540844-01285567774-01285576238- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001356.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1356">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285540844-01285567774-01285576238-01285581715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001361.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1361">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285540844-01285567774-01285576238-01285581715-01285589899- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001380.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285541050- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001332.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1332">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>vfmBOFH
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285542119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001334.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1334">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285542119-01285570463- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001350.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1350">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285542155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001335.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1335">&nbsp;</A>
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+<!--1 01285542155-01285592944- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1389">&nbsp;</A>
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+</A><A NAME="1336">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>paulo ricardo
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="001338.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1338">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
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+<!--2 01285545689-01285548984-01285559740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001344.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1344">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
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+<!--0 01285546797- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001337.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1337">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285546797-01285585782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001367.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1367">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
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+<!--0 01285550241- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001339.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1339">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285550241-01285563726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001347.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1347">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285550241-01285563726-01285585163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001365.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Developer Version/Edition?
+</A><A NAME="1365">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285551267- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001340.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1340">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285551267-01285552205- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001368.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1368">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Franklin Weng
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285551267-01285552205-01285586607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001369.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1369">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285551267-01285561771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001345.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1345">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285554838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001341.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1341">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285554838-01285590303- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001382.html">[Mageia-discuss] commercial support
+</A><A NAME="1382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285555353- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001342.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-se.org
+</A><A NAME="1342">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285558109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001343.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1343">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285558109-01285581645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001360.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1360">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285558109-01285581645-01285582178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001363.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1363">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285558109-01285581645-01285582178-01285585322- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001366.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1366">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285562404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001346.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1346">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285562404-01285569096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001349.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia's strategy
+</A><A NAME="1349">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285572794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001351.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1351">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285572794-01285573811- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001353.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1353">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285572794-01285589276- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001377.html">[Mageia-discuss] ny opinion
+</A><A NAME="1377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Reinout van Schouwen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285573380- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001352.html">[Mageia-discuss] On the icons, desktop themes and related stuff
+</A><A NAME="1352">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>david
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285575044- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001354.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss - rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1354">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jean-Fran&#231;ois BELLANGER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285575044-01285575253- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001355.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss - rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1355">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285578168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001357.html">[Mageia-discuss] Think about bugzilla monitoring?
+</A><A NAME="1357">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cassian Braconnnier
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285578669- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001358.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1358">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Giuseppe Ghib&#242;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285579266- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001359.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads - Use IMAP?
+</A><A NAME="1359">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285579266-01285583806- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001364.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads - Use IMAP?
+</A><A NAME="1364">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285582409- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001362.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1362">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285582409-01285618067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285587312- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001370.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia&#180;s Blog translate
+</A><A NAME="1370">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285587528- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001371.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia - naming
+</A><A NAME="1371">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285587589- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001372.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285587639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001373.html">[Mageia-discuss] New name for cooker
+</A><A NAME="1373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285587728- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001374.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Cooker&quot;'s name, the poll
+</A><A NAME="1374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285588187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285589060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285589060-01285589390- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jan Ciger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285589060-01285589390-01285589681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285589060-01285589390-01285589681-01285598252- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Good move
+</A><A NAME="1395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285589376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001381.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285589376-01285591617- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001383.html">[Mageia-discuss] MLO will take part in the Mageia porject
+</A><A NAME="1383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285591739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001384.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285591739-01285592494- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001385.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285591739-01285592494-01285592618- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001387.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285591739-01285592550- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001386.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285591739-01285592550-01285599865- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001396.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285591739-01285592870- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001388.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285591739-01285592870-01285602554- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001401.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285591739-01285592870-01285602554-01285603768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001402.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285591739-01285592870-01285602554-01285603768-01285606010- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001405.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285591739-01285592870-01285602554-01285603768-01285606010-01285608588- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001406.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285591739-01285592870-01285602554-01285605956- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001404.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285594767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001390.html">[Mageia-discuss] presentation + summary request
+</A><A NAME="1390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285595230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001391.html">[Mageia-discuss] GUI tools
+</A><A NAME="1391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285596168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001392.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1392">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285596168-01285596244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001393.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1393">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285596168-01285596244-01285596987- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001394.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1394">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285596168-01285601884- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285596168-01285601884-01285624654- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285600947- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001397.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285601160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285601343- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001398.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285601343-01285604745- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001403.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285614326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001407.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Florian Hubold
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285618656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001409.html">[Mageia-discuss] Comments on Ignacio's logo
+</A><A NAME="1409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwan Velu
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285624251- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001410.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
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+ <B>Dale Huckeby</B>
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+<PRE>On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, R James wrote:
+&gt;<i> (Another friendly reminder not to top-post....)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far, this one is my favorite:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia. :o)
+</I>
+This is the first one I've liked since the dark orb with flames coming out the top with
+Mageia Linux out to the right. The design elements, including the font, are individually
+nice and nicely juxtaposed to make the total design. It's simple, elegant, and classy.
+I like it.
+
+Dale Huckeby
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+For the good of all, I started to use Gmane, but when I will reply a post, it
+often says that is much quoted text. Is this normal? What are the maximum
+allowed? Can I erase all &gt; signs except the first one?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva repos.
+</I>
+Wait, can apt-get and Synaptic be installed in Mandriva and be used without none
+extra configuration?
+
+If this is true, let's both, and the user chooses the one he sees fit.
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+ <B>Ma&#226;t</B>
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+<PRE>Le 27/09/2010 16:16, Juan Carlos de la Cruz a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/27 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/27 Juan Carlos de la Cruz &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pcboltzmann at gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pcboltzmann at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I've observed that the Mageia project's donations page
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (<A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org/">http://donation.mageia.org/</A>) has currently been translated to
+</I>&gt;<i> most of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; languages. However it is not available in Spanish yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Would you be interested in my translation to Spanish language?
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so, how could I send it? Would it be OK to email it to this ML as an
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; attached html file? contribution
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's ok. Thanks for you
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here you are!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+Thank you very much !
+
+It's online: <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">http://donate.mageia.org/es/</A>
+
+Could you please check that the page is ok please ?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ma&#226;t
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Not sure if I get what this thread is about. APT and Synaptic are in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mandriva repos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wait, can apt-get and Synaptic be installed in Mandriva and be used without none
+</I>&gt;<i> extra configuration?
+</I>
+It uses to be working to the price aof a big patch.
+Now, it doesn't compiles, and according to
+
+<A HREF="http://lists.laiskiainen.org/pipermail/apt-rpm-laiskiainen.org/2010-May/000914.html">http://lists.laiskiainen.org/pipermail/apt-rpm-laiskiainen.org/2010-May/000914.html</A>
+
+this would requires to rediff apt-rpm on git HEAD, and update the
+patch. However, according the mail I linked, apt-rpm is unmaintained.
+
+So I personally would not invest much time in it.
+
+It was a nightmare 5 years ago when I maintained the rpm, I doubt this
+changed much.
+
+And so, since synaptic requires apt-rpm, if the second one is broken,
+the first one would also break.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;:o)
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+Mageia.
+
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+Hoyt Duff
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The only point I have regarding this logo is the font that looks like too
+</I>&gt;<i> much medieval from my taste.
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+I would suggest a simpler, more modern appearing font.
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+&gt;<i> &#160;Am 23.09.2010 14:33, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think that all Germans run around in Lederhosen, drinking beer and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eating Sauerkraut, listening to Blaskapelle and singing about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gem&#252;tlichkeit).
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Those I see on TV are drinking beer. But most Germans I see on US TV
+are beer-drinking sausage-eating WW!!-vintage soldiers with British
+accents, so reality is not heavily involved in any perception.
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+<PRE>Dnia 2010-09-27, o godz. 19:46:34
+Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; napisa&#322;(a):
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia. :o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+</I>&gt;<i> symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+hyper-correctness.
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+<PRE>Op dinsdag 28 september 2010 02:04:09 schreef Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc:
+&gt;<i> Dnia 2010-09-27, o godz. 19:46:34
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; napisa&#322;(a):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-ar">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-ar</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Mageia. :o)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+</I>&gt;<i> hyper-correctness.
+</I>
+also, in PR, there's no such thing as bad publicity...
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Florian Hubold&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">doktor5000 at arcor.de</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Am 23.09.2010 14:33, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> think that all Germans run around in Lederhosen, drinking beer and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> eating Sauerkraut, listening to Blaskapelle and singing about
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Gem&#252;tlichkeit).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Those I see on TV are drinking beer. But most Germans I see on US TV
+</I>&gt;<i> are beer-drinking sausage-eating WW!!-vintage soldiers with British
+</I>&gt;<i> accents, so reality is not heavily involved in any perception.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I was going to say that the 60s TV show &quot;Hogan's Heros&quot; would be most US
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, while there is nothing wrong with .deb, this is &quot;no&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Just to clarify what I meant.
+
+I ,humble user, know of nothing wrong with deb or rpm. AFAIK both work
+just fine when used correctly. But Mageia is as stated a fork of
+Mandriva which is a very well known descendant of Red Hat ergo rpm is
+from the beginning the package management base. I wouldn't have thought
+this to be a matter for discussion. And as Mandriva is my favorite
+GNU/Linux distro I'm more than happy with that. If it ain't broke don't
+fix it. (Doesn't mean you can't tweak it!)
+
+I have learned something though. Late at night I need to be more careful
+about responding to pointless discussions in the first place.
+
+Best wishes to all,
+Dwight Paige
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/27 isadora &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Stop this discussion that is useless, please.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With all the respect, but I don't like this tone of shutting up people, who
+</I>&gt;<i> might have a less technical skills, especially in a phase of brainstorming
+</I>&gt;<i> where everyone show entusiasm on partecipating even with the most crazy
+</I>&gt;<i> idea, and also because the trolling level has not yet been reached.
+</I>&gt;<i> Sometimes a brilliant idea might come or be inspired even from the most
+</I>&gt;<i> dumbest suggestion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bye
+</I>&gt;<i> Giuseppe.
+</I>I wouldn't like a change. Some of the packages required a lot of effort in the
+spec file and I wouldn't like to spend a lot of hours to change them for
+gaining not much.
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+<PRE>On 09/28/2010 02:08 AM, Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 28 september 2010 02:04:09 schreef Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dnia 2010-09-27, o godz. 19:46:34
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hoyt Duff&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; napisa&#322;(a):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-ar">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-ar</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> t
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia. :o)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hyper-correctness.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also, in PR, there's no such thing as bad publicity...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Our one Graphics designer has been set loose for the week to come up
+with ideas for the logo. I think if everyone works together, then a
+'community designed' logo would fit everyones taste. Constructive
+criticism and comments can only bring us closer to a perfect-as-possible
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+&gt;<i> On Monday, September 27, 2010 03:01:55 am Giuseppe Ghib&#242; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/27 isadora&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">isis2000 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Stop this discussion that is useless, please.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Vice President, secretary and member of CA of Alolise
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://www.alolise.org">http://www.alolise.org</A>)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Exactly that, spend energy in more important things.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With all the respect, but I don't like this tone of shutting up people, who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> might have a less technical skills, especially in a phase of brainstorming
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where everyone show entusiasm on partecipating even with the most crazy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> idea, and also because the trolling level has not yet been reached.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sometimes a brilliant idea might come or be inspired even from the most
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dumbest suggestion.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Bye
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Giuseppe.
+</I>&gt;<i> I wouldn't like a change. Some of the packages required a lot of effort in the
+</I>&gt;<i> spec file and I wouldn't like to spend a lot of hours to change them for
+</I>&gt;<i> gaining not much.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I Think that changing the package manager to anything other than rpm
+will require a serious change in the core of the distribution. It would
+also add a lot more work right off the start because of the new tools
+that would have to be created or incorporated into the project. But
+please don't get me wrong i'm not saying its not possible. I would love
+to (someday) see a distro which asks me during installation which type
+of package manager i want to include, with option &quot;None&quot; amongst many :)
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+&gt;<i> Am 23.09.2010 14:33, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, of course, I was in generalising mode (many US Americans seem to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think that all Germans run around in Lederhosen, drinking beer and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eating Sauerkraut, listening to Blaskapelle and singing about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gem&#252;tlichkeit).
+</I>&gt;<i> Pssst, do not shout this out so loudly. They could take a look
+</I>&gt;<i> at Munich, Bavaria at the moment and be approved by their
+</I>&gt;<i> opinion that we have something simlar to &quot;rednecks&quot; in germany :).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hey, I grew up in Mississippi and I've been to Munich. I doubt they're
+drinking Bud Light in Munich now. Though some of the behavior is similar
+this time of year...
+
+Dwight Paige,
+New Orleans
+The spirit of Mardi Gras year round
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia-br.org">http://mageia-br.org</A> is runing under Windows Server 2003 according <A HREF="http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F">http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F</A> . Isn't official. Don't use it.
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+On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:07 PM, Andre Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+&gt;<i> For the good of all, I started to use Gmane,
+</I>
+Thank you so so so much. This is the first post that is not breaking a thread.
+
+ WIN!
+
+&gt;<i> but when I will reply a post, it
+</I>&gt;<i> often says that is much quoted text.
+</I>
+Then, you are quoting too much text compared of the amount of new text
+you are ading to the conversation.
+
+&gt;<i> Is this normal?
+</I>
+It is normal when you quote a very long message and you add only very little.
+
+&gt;<i> What are the maximum allowed?
+</I>
+I don't know. But my guess is that quoting a 200 lines email just to
+ad a one line answer is not good.
+
+Not good for the server, and not good for everybody reading the messages.
+
+Think about it.
+
+You'll have to download a huge message over cellular network (most
+read emails on smartphones), which takes time, battery and goes
+against the data download limit.
+
+And then, you have to scroll many many many lines just for a single line.
+
+Not great.
+
+This is why there are all this rules in place.
+
+&gt;<i> Can I erase all &gt; signs except the first one?
+</I>
+That will be awful. You will just &quot;cheating&quot;.
+
+Thin why are there rules, to help everybody, to make it easier to read
+more than 1000 messages in one week.
+
+Just trim (= remove) what is not needed.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Sorry for anything,
+</I>
+Don't worry. We all learn all the time, nobody is born knowing it all.
+
+&gt;<i> Andr&#233;
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;:o)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+</I>&gt;<i> symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>
+Please be careful of your attributions. I didn't write that. If you're going
+to edit out a person's words edit out his name also.
+
+Dale Huckeby
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+Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over
+wine, probably u say that is not &quot;correct&quot;, but this is
+another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)
+
+<A HREF="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</A>
+
+Namaste
+Pablo Barrera
+
+
+2010/9/28 Dale Huckeby &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Hoyt Duff wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Dale Huckeby &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">spock at evansville.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54138626@N05/5016045891/in/pool-mageia-art</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Its simple, elegant and appropriate for all potential users of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> :o)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Crescent moon-like symbol might be mis-interpreted as a religious
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> symbol. The conspiracy crazies might generate much publicity for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please be careful of your attributions. I didn't write that. If you're
+</I>&gt;<i> going
+</I>&gt;<i> to edit out a person's words edit out his name also.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Please be careful of your attributions. I didn't write that. If you're
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> going
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to edit out a person's words edit out his name also.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Dale, I apologize for my sloppy trimming. With all the nested replies,
+over-quoting and top-posting, it gets a little jumbled at times.
+
+And I now see how badly GMail sucks at reading mail lists.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hyper-correctness.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> also, in PR, there's no such thing as bad publicity...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My point. A little harmless controversy never hurt. I liked the logo.
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">irek.gierlach at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I Think that changing the package manager to anything other than rpm will
+</I>&gt;<i> require a serious change in the core of the distribution. It would also add
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot more work right off the start because of the new tools that would have
+</I>&gt;<i> to be created or incorporated into the project. But please don't get me
+</I>&gt;<i> wrong i'm not saying its not possible. I would love to (someday) see a
+</I>&gt;<i> distro which asks me during installation which type of package manager i
+</I>&gt;<i> want to include, with option &quot;None&quot; amongst many :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Pretty much akin to suggesting that we switch to a BSD or the HURD
+kernel (and I'm not suggesting that at all).
+
+All are interesting ideas with some merit and no need to disparage any
+ideas, but it's not a very frugal use of resources at this time.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Binary Trance &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">binarytrance at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Please be careful of your attributions. I didn't write that. If you're
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; going
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to edit out a person's words edit out his name also.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Dale Huckeby
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dale, I apologize for my sloppy trimming. With all the nested replies,
+</I>&gt;<i> over-quoting and top-posting, it gets a little jumbled at times.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I now see how badly GMail sucks at reading mail lists.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Hoyt
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I like Gmail at reading, but writing a new message is annoying due to top
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> And I now see how badly GMail sucks at reading mail lists.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hoyt
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like Gmail at reading, but writing a new message is annoying due to top
+</I>&gt;<i> posting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Agreed.
+
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+Hoyt
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia-br.org">http://mageia-br.org</A> is runing under Windows Server 2003 according <A HREF="http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F">http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F</A> . Isn't official. Don't use it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _____________________________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i> Washington DC's Largest FREE Email service. ---&gt; <A HREF="http://www.DCemail.com">http://www.DCemail.com</A> ---&gt; A Washington Online Community Member ---&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.DCpages.com">http://www.DCpages.com</A>
+</I>Andr&#233;,
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+As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+threads every time you send a message
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+Thank you
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+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
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+<PRE> El 22/09/2010 23:49, Anne nicolas escribi&#243;:
+&gt;<i> Hi all
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> News on our messy kitchen available below :)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (other languages coming soon)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see work is going on and we are doing everything so that we
+</I>&gt;<i> can start very soon.
+</I>&gt;<i> As a reminder, you can register on <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki">http://mageia.org/wiki</A> if you wish
+</I>&gt;<i> to contribute or have a look on <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org">http://donation.mageia.org</A> to help
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks again for your support
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> _______________________________________________
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss</A>
+</I>mdktrans-be translated the blog post (<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=18</A>) to
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 24 September 2010 20:02, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> There should be a recurring reminder of the mailist and Gmane list rules.
+</I>&gt;<i> There are many who are new to mailists and have never had the experience in
+</I>&gt;<i> group mailist etiquette. Some people find it annoying/frustrating when
+</I>&gt;<i> people top-post, quote whole passages etc. But we should be happy that there
+</I>&gt;<i> is so much participation. It just means that we need to every now and then
+</I>&gt;<i> send out a gentle reminder of the rules. I think that the &quot;Mailist etiquette
+</I>&gt;<i> -- gentle reminder&quot; should be posted every now and then by the Mageia ML
+</I>&gt;<i> maintainer just to add a little formality to the message.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mailist etiquette:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - English language only please on the mailist
+</I>&gt;<i> - no top posting please
+</I>&gt;<i> - when answering, please quote the relevant sentences that is being replied
+</I>&gt;<i> - please do not break the threads. Do a proper &quot;Reply&quot; from your email agent
+</I>&gt;<i> and your email will be &quot;nested&quot; with the right discussion thread.
+</I>&gt;<i> - please do not hijack threads by &quot;Replying&quot; and then changing the &quot;Subject&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> line of the mail
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The exchange of ideas makes us all grow. Mageia, the magic continues.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Adding to the above list:
+- Please always set the text line wrap in your email client to ~72
+characters. (the number of characters per line seems to be a debatable
+issue; 72 chars per line is used in both evolution and claws-mail,
+so...).
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+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Thomas Lottmann</B>
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+<PRE> Le 26/09/2010 22:50, Rory Albertyn a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Greetings,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-za on freenode.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to
+</I>&gt;<i> request a mailing list and links on the website.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thank you very much!
+
+In fact, I think this would really be great and helpful to also support
+afrikaans and people from South Africa. :-)
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+<PRE>Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 &#224; 09:58 +0200, Lombard Marianne a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 27/09/2010 23:50, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia-br.org">http://mageia-br.org</A> is runing under Windows Server 2003 according <A HREF="http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F">http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mageia-br.org%2F</A> . Isn't official. Don't use it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+</I>&gt;<i> threads every time you send a message
+</I>
+May I suggest to people who sent such messages that they be a little bit
+more friendly, and kindly explain what is a thread ( because not
+everybody know this ), and how to not break them ?
+
+And by the way, such messages would better be sent in private IMHO, this
+ is not related to the list.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+ <B>Juan Carlos de la Cruz</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> It's online: <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">http://donate.mageia.org/es/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you please check that the page is ok please ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep. It's fine!
+
+There is only a very minor thing: In the header of the page, in the section
+for the language-version labels, the attribute ' class=&quot;sel&quot; ' should be put
+in the '<A HREF="http://donations.mageia.org/es">http://donations.mageia.org/es</A>' link, not in the English one, in
+order to see the Spanish link in bold characters when the pages is browsed.
+I forgot to change it, sorry for that!
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+&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> It's online: <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/es/">http://donate.mageia.org/es/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you please check that the page is ok please ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep. It's fine!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is only a very minor thing: In the header of the page, in the
+</I>&gt;<i> section for the language-version labels, the attribute ' class=&quot;sel&quot; '
+</I>&gt;<i> should be put in the '<A HREF="http://donations.mageia.org/es">http://donations.mageia.org/es</A>' link, not in the
+</I>&gt;<i> English one, in order to see the Spanish link in bold characters when
+</I>&gt;<i> the pages is browsed. I forgot to change it, sorry for that!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Kind regards!
+</I>Fixed :)
+
+Thanks for the review !
+
+Ma&#226;t
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+&gt;<i> Le 26/09/2010 22:50, Rory Albertyn a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Greetings,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A South African user community has started. The IRC channel is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-za on freenode.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would like to thank those of you who assisted and would like to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> request a mailing list and links on the website.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ~ Rory (Gripen on Freenode)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you very much!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, I think this would really be great and helpful to also
+</I>&gt;<i> support afrikaans and people from South Africa. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Skiper.
+</I>
+Work on the South African site has begun. mageia-za.org should have
+propagated by now as well. I think buddypress would work nicely as a
+community site as it fits most of our needs. Any comments, constructive
+criticism and input on this would be most welcome. It is a community
+after all.
+
+Skiper, Afrikaans will indeed be supported on par with English. French
+translation could also be looked at for those speaking the language in
+the Southern African regions too.
+
+Once the Site is up, I'll be looking at potential mirrors for the ZA users.
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+Those interested in dependency management (aka rpm or deb and associated tools) can find here much data presenting the pros and cons of each approach in the Linux world:
+<A HREF="http://www.mancoosi.org/">http://www.mancoosi.org/</A>
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+ <B>Wayne Sallee</B>
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+it's too hard to understand the name.
+The line pattern might make a good desktop design.
+
+Wayne Sallee
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A>
+
+Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 12:26 AM:
+&gt;<i> Hi all from Buenos Aires.
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4
+</I>&gt;<i> over wine, probably u say that is not &quot;correct&quot;, but this is
+</I>&gt;<i> another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Namaste
+</I>&gt;<i> Pablo Barrera
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Binary Trance</B>
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+2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> I think it's too large of a logo (when you include all the lines), and it's
+</I>&gt;<i> too hard to understand the name.
+</I>&gt;<i> The line pattern might make a good desktop design.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a
+bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely
+runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its absolutely
+intentional :)
+
+anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure for
+share things...
+
+
+regards
+P.
+
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wayne Sallee
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Binary Trance wrote on 09/28/2010 12:26 AM:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all from Buenos Aires.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, here it is my contribution for logo contest. Its made on CS4 over
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wine, probably u say that is not &quot;correct&quot;, but this is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> another simple contribution for the logos proposal :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Namaste
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pablo Barrera
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 19:50, Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I finally got my (busy) native speaker on the line.
+</I>&gt;<i> She will send me a better version late this night, or tomorrow.
+</I>&gt;<i> I will transmit it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cool news.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks to you three :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the result (for <A HREF="http://donation.mageia.org/nl/">http://donation.mageia.org/nl/</A>)
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+</I>&gt;<i> threads every time you send a message
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+I've seeing the comments about breaking threads.
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+I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All
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+&gt;<i> &gt; As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; threads every time you send a message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seeing the comments about breaking threads.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All
+</I>&gt;<i> comments from Andr&#233; are in the same thread.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
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+I use gmail too without any problem, threads are never broken
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+On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 22:33 -0400, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; For the good of all, I started to use Gmane,
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+Going to throw out an idea born by the members on Mageia-se.org about the handling of translations.
+This might be an obvious idea, and if so we'll be happy :-)
+
+I'm going to quote the text i wrote in #mageia since i currently feel too lazy to re-write it. Hope you understand what i'm trying to say with the text.
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+&quot;Had a discussion on Mageia-se.org where we talked about making translations of the disto from the community itself. The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone before putting on the mailist, is that each country community starts a section (a wiki for example) where all the members of that community are able to translate as much as they are able and then, when reaching a certain percent translated, the translation is returned to the main developer team for implementation.&quot;
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+&quot;the main motivation from the members on mageia-se.org was that everyone could feel apart of the work and feel useful since even only translating one word would be a contribution.&quot;
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+Betygs&#228;tt g&#228;rna mitt mail!
+<A HREF="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</A>
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+----
+
+Best Regards / V&#228;nligen ,
+
+Stockholm Next Generation Web
+David V. Wallin
++46 (0)8 4100 39 82
+<A HREF="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</A>
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+<PRE>Le 28/09/2010 14:13, David V. Wallin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Going to throw out an idea born by the members on Mageia-se.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://Mageia-se.org">http://Mageia-se.org</A>&gt; about the handling of translations.
+</I>&gt;<i> This might be an obvious idea, and if so we'll be happy :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm going to quote the text i wrote in #mageia since i currently feel
+</I>&gt;<i> too lazy to re-write it. Hope you understand what i'm trying to say with
+</I>&gt;<i> the text.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Had a discussion on Mageia-se.org &lt;<A HREF="http://Mageia-se.org">http://Mageia-se.org</A>&gt; where we
+</I>&gt;<i> talked about making translations of the disto from the community itself.
+</I>&gt;<i> The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone before putting on the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailist, is that each country community starts a section (a wiki for
+</I>&gt;<i> example) where all the members of that community are able to translate
+</I>&gt;<i> as much as they are able and then, when reaching a certain percent
+</I>&gt;<i> translated, the translation is returned to the main developer team for
+</I>&gt;<i> implementation.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;the main motivation from the members on mageia-se.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://mageia-se.org">http://mageia-se.org</A>&gt; was that everyone could feel apart of the work
+</I>&gt;<i> and feel useful since even only translating one word would be a
+</I>&gt;<i> contribution.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Betygs&#228;tt g&#228;rna mitt mail!
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/">http://responsio.se/foretag/stockholm-next-generation-web/david-v-wallin/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best Regards / V&#228;nligen ,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Stockholm Next Generation Web
+</I>&gt;<i> David V. Wallin
+</I>&gt;<i> +46 (0)8 4100 39 82
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ngweb.se">http://www.ngweb.se</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+No tool has been chosen right now for the translation work. Different
+ideas have been launched : subversion, transifex, etc. Why not a wiki.
+There is advantages and problems in every solution.
+
+You can join the list mageia-i18n, who is dedicated to the translation
+and localization issue.
+
+Marianne / Jehane
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
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+&gt;<i> &quot;the main motivation from the members on mageia-se.org was that everyone
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+</I>&gt;<i> No tool has been chosen right now for the translation work.
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+Oh, really? I'd strongly recommend agreeing on a tool which is easy to
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+See <A HREF="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</A>
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+It's based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn't do it, so I
+can't tell you which things has being changed).
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+We pick PO files, and put them at <A HREF="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</A>
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+There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come
+after, and check.
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+When it's ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO
+file again to Mandriva server.
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+<PRE>Le 28/09/2010 14:21, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/28 Lombard Marianne &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marianne at tuxette.fr</A>&gt;:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No tool has been chosen right now for the translation work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, really? I'd strongly recommend agreeing on a tool which is easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> use and which allows for using the already existing po files of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva Linux for such parts which will be the same or only slightly
+</I>&gt;<i> different from current Cooker.
+</I>
+I never said that some tools have not been rejected (like launchpad).
+But only that no official decision has been announced.
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+Personnaly, my preference go to transifex, who is dedicated to
+translation work. But everyone can not share my opinion.
+
+Marianne
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
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+&quot;David V. Wallin&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-09-28
+&gt;<i>... that each
+</I>&gt;<i> country community starts a section (a wiki for example) where all the
+</I>&gt;<i> members of that community are able to translate as much as they are able
+</I>&gt;<i> and then, when reaching a certain percent translated, the translation is
+</I>&gt;<i> returned to the main developer team for implementation.
+</I>
+I really don't think, this is such a great idea because as a i18n team member
+you would have to read all thos stuff and see, if it's translated correctly.
+And then we would have to add all that stuff into the right format and commit
+it.
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+It would be far easier, if a few more people would help in the real work and
+contribute to the translations directly. It's not that hard to work with
+poedit or lokalize.
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+&gt;<i> We have something like that at Blogdrake.net
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> See <A HREF="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn't do it, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> can't tell you which things has being changed).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We pick PO files, and put them at <A HREF="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come
+</I>&gt;<i> after, and check.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When it's ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO
+</I>&gt;<i> file again to Mandriva server.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>
+I forgot, I hope Mageia has something like this:
+<A HREF="http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/">http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/</A>
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+IMHO, it rise translators spirit when they see how lines become green.
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+Cheers!
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Mon, 2010-09-27 at 22:33 -0400, Sinner from the Prairy wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; For the good of all, I started to use Gmane,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thank you so so so much. This is the first post that is not breaking a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; thread.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; WIN!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What usernet group to used in Gname.
+</I>
+Look there for a list :
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have something like that at Blogdrake.net
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; See <A HREF="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn't do it, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can't tell you which things has being changed).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We pick PO files, and put them at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; after, and check.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; When it's ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; file again to Mandriva server.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I forgot, I hope Mageia has something like this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/">http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/team/es/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO, it rise translators spirit when they see how lines become green.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Statistics is certainly a must-on!
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+Marek Laane
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> -----Message d'origine-----
+</I>&gt;<i> De&#160;: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:mageia-discuss-
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;&#160;: 28 septembre 2010 08:18
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/28 David V. Wallin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">david at ngweb.se</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;the main motivation from the members on mageia-se.org was that
+</I>&gt;<i> everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could feel apart of the work and feel useful since even only
+</I>&gt;<i> translating one
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; word would be a contribution.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This woould mean that you either put the po files on the wiki to be
+</I>&gt;<i> subject to collaboration or you use your own svn system while the
+</I>&gt;<i> translators are working on the files.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course it is an idea but it also involves extra work. It alos
+</I>&gt;<i> depends on how many volunteers you can round'up.
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+There's a great tool to do this job. We use it to translate openSUSE :
+Vertaal, <A HREF="http://www.vertaal.com.ar/">http://www.vertaal.com.ar/</A>
+
+Easy to use, great collaboration tool.
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+Pat
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+<PRE>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-09-28
+&gt;<i> See <A HREF="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's based on SimplePo, with some customization (I didn't do it, so I
+</I>&gt;<i> can't tell you which things has being changed).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We pick PO files, and put them at <A HREF="http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php">http://mdktrans.blogdrake.net/index.php</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> There, MDKTrans members log in and translate lines. Other members come
+</I>&gt;<i> after, and check.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When it's ready 100%, Diego Bello (MDKTrans coordinator) uploads PO
+</I>&gt;<i> file again to Mandriva server.
+</I>I think that's only producing more work then necessary. Why not use a version
+control system and dedicated tools like poedit or lokalize as I've already
+written?
+It give's you the same possibility and you don't need one central person to
+coordinate and submit everything...
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+<PRE>W dniu 2010-09-28 14:17, Lombard Marianne pisze:
+&gt;&gt;<i> The suggestion, that i wanted to run by someone before putting on the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mailist, is that each country community starts a section (a wiki for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> example) where all the members of that community are able to translate
+</I>
+I'm definitely against using wiki for translation purposes or giving
+access to i18n tools to everybody. First of all, localization needs to
+be consistent. If everybody starts giving different names for same
+features, it will be a mess. Of course, there could be supervisors
+checking every single word but that structure will not work in smaller
+communities where HR capacity is limited. There also need to be a
+extensive guideline for all translators - and if we cannot force the
+community not to top-post on the mailing lists, I doubt we can reach
+concensus on the matter of proper phrases localization. I don't want to
+say that many of Mageia users will do the bad job on purpose but huge
+amount of them is not either fluent in English or their own language to
+be a translator.
+
+What I see as a perfect solution, is - discussed earlier - transifex. It
+will allow us to manage files easily and to create skillful and devoted
+localization teams. Of course, everybody would be able to join but the
+selection of candidates should appear in order not to do the same job twice.
+
+Regards,
+Adrian
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> threads every time you send a message
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've seeing the comments about breaking threads.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All
+</I>&gt;<i> comments from Andr&#233; are in the same thread.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Gmail doesn't do proper message threading like other email clients who
+do it properly e.g. thunderbird or evolution.
+
+A constant problem I had with emails from the bugs mailing list was
+gmail splitting the same bug report-related emails into two different
+threads (really conversation is a more appropriate word here) after a
+keyword is changed e.g. adding NEEDINFO to the report. Thunderbird
+would group messages based on email headers so it go it'd get it
+right.
+
+Quoting from <A HREF="http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=5900">http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=5900</A> :
+&#8220;Please note that a conversation will break off into a new thread if
+the subject line of the conversation is changed, or if the
+conversation reaches over 100 messages.&#8221;
+
+IIUC, any email client that does proper threading changing the subject
+line wouldn't break the thread.
+
+Of course this has an upside, when the thread is broken for other
+clients, gmail just works as it's taking the simple/stupid approach of
+grouping messages that have the same subject line (that is IIUC :)).
+
+--
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+<PRE>On 28 September 2010 15:50, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 28 September 2010 14:59, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As told you many time, please use a proper mail client and stop breaking
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> threads every time you send a message
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I've seeing the comments about breaking threads.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I check all my mail with web GMail and the thread never breaks. All
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> comments from Andr&#233; are in the same thread.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tavillo1980
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gmail doesn't do proper message threading like other email clients who
+</I>&gt;<i> do it properly e.g. thunderbird or evolution.
+</I>
+Sorry, s/who/which/ .
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A constant problem I had with emails from the bugs mailing list was
+</I>&gt;<i> gmail splitting the same bug report-related emails into two different
+</I>&gt;<i> threads (really conversation is a more appropriate word here) after a
+</I>&gt;<i> keyword is changed e.g. adding NEEDINFO to the report. Thunderbird
+</I>&gt;<i> would group messages based on email headers so it go it'd get it
+</I>&gt;<i> right.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quoting from <A HREF="http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=5900">http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&amp;answer=5900</A> :
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8220;Please note that a conversation will break off into a new thread if
+</I>&gt;<i> the subject line of the conversation is changed, or if the
+</I>&gt;<i> conversation reaches over 100 messages.&#8221;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IIUC, any email client that does proper threading changing the subject
+</I>&gt;<i> line wouldn't break the thread.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course this has an upside, when the thread is broken for other
+</I>&gt;<i> clients, gmail just works as it's taking the simple/stupid approach of
+</I>&gt;<i> grouping messages that have the same subject line (that is IIUC :)).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I think that's only producing more work then necessary. Why not use a version
+</I>&gt;<i> control system and dedicated tools like poedit or lokalize as I've already
+</I>&gt;<i> written?
+</I>&gt;<i> It give's you the same possibility and you don't need one central person to
+</I>&gt;<i> coordinate and submit everything...
+</I>
+The idea behind use SimplePO in Blogdrake is to have centralized POs.
+So, if a PO file has 1500 lines, and I translated 78, another user can
+keep working in the same file as I left it.
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+IMHO it's better to have PO files in each translator PC. All POs are
+always in the web SimplePO. And we always work them there.
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+With this tool we translated 100% Mandriva 2010.1 POs to Spanish.
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+&gt;<i> The idea behind use SimplePO in Blogdrake is to have centralized POs.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if a PO file has 1500 lines, and I translated 78, another user can
+</I>&gt;<i> keep working in the same file as I left it.
+</I>
+In my humble opinion, having SimplePo in a centralized server made the
+translation and revision processes much faster. In just a couple of
+moths, the Spanish team reached the top-10 in the list:
+
+<A HREF="http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/toplist/">http://mdk.jack.kiev.ua/stats/gui/trunk/toplist/</A>
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+For other translations, like documentation, that's another ball game.
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+It is not realy hyper-correctness if several person thinking the same.
+
+It was my first interpretation too ...
+
+We have already a star in the logo (like Mao / Lenin / US-EU flags ;-) )
+... Is it realy a good idea to finish have a similar &quot;Pakistan or Turkey
+Flag&quot; ?
+<A HREF="http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png">http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png</A>
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+A lot of flag of countries (with muslim history the most time) have
+crescent and star because it is a religious sign. Do you want a guys
+said immediatly when he look the logo : this is a muslim operating
+system ? Certainly not. All the world must be recognize him in this
+logo, in this linux distribution ... not only a part.
+
+I like realy this logo but only the version without the crescent of
+moon. The rest is clear, professional.
+Why not the inversed star on the &quot;i&quot; _ and _ a &quot;M&quot; in form of penguin
+foot, like in an another proposal ?
+
+
+If you let crescent on this logo and if you adopt this logo, you can
+just be sure that no government will use the distribution. Don't forget
+that, as a french distro, Mandriva was (is) used by french army today,
+and taxes ministery. They have to do care to not use to easily signed
+tools in their materials.
+
+I say : Too similar religious signs in logo are dangerous for the future
+of Mageia.
+
+
+FR (EN up) :
+
+Ce n'est pas vraiment une hyper-correction, si plusieurs personnes
+pensant la m&#234;me chose.
+
+C'&#233;tait aussi ma premi&#232;re interpr&#233;tation ...
+
+Nous avons d&#233;j&#224; une &#233;toile dans le logo (comme Mao / drapeaux L&#233;nine
+USA-UE / ;-)) ... Est-ce vraiment une bonne id&#233;e d'avoir un logo comme
+les drapeaux du Pakistan ou de la Turquie?
+<A HREF="http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png">http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png</A>
+
+Un grand nombre de pavillon de pays (de culuture historique musulmane la
+plupart du temps) ont le croissant et l'&#233;toile parce que c'est un signe
+religieux. Voulez-vous qu'un gars dise tout de suite quand il regarde le
+logo: il s'agit d'un syst&#232;me d'exploitation musulman? Certainement pas.
+Tout le monde doit &#234;tre se reconna&#238;tre dans ce logo, dans cette
+distribution linux ... non seulement une partie.
+
+J'aime vraiment ce logo, mais seulement la version sans le croissant de
+lune. Sans cela, il reste clair et professionnel.
+Pourquoi ne pas garder l'&#233;toile invers&#233;e sur le &quot;i&quot; _ _ et un &quot;M&quot; en
+forme de pied de manchots, comme dans une autre proposition ?
+
+Si vous laissez le croissant sur ce logo et si vous adoptez ce logo,
+vous pouvez juste &#234;tre s&#251;r qu'aucun gouvernement ne va utiliser la
+distribution. Ne pas oublier que, en temps que distribution fran&#231;aise,
+Mandriva a &#233;t&#233; (est) utilis&#233;(e) par l'arm&#233;e fran&#231;aise d'aujourd'hui, et
+le minist&#232;re des imp&#244;ts. Ils doivent faire attention &#224; ne pas utiliser &#224;
+des outils portant des signes ostentatoires.
+
+Je dis: Trop de signes apparentables &#224; des signes religieux dans le logo
+sont dangereux pour l'avenir de Mageia.
+
+
+
+&gt;<i> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+</I>&gt;<i> hyper-correctness.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> In my humble opinion, having SimplePo in a centralized server made the
+</I>&gt;<i> translation and revision processes much faster. In just a couple of
+</I>&gt;<i> moths, the Spanish team reached the top-10 in the list:
+</I>If I had enough people (let's say 5 to 6) I could have done the same with the
+German translation using svn, poedit/lokalize.
+
+And if everyone just commits his translations as soon as he finishes them and
+everyone checks the po-files out before he starts, you don't have the problem
+of different local po files.
+And with a little communication you can devide the tasks quite fine between the
+translators.
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+But I have one technical question: Is this a web tool you are using there?
+Because I wouldn't want some purely webbased infrastructure. There are quite
+some times, in which you would have time to translate but no internet
+connection (longer travels by train,...)
+
+And: vcs systems are normally quite good at merging files so even if more then
+one translator does work on the sam po file at the same time, it is solvable.
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+Oliver
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+It is very inefficient this way because some reply to the i18n list,
+some reply here.
+I will write my replies on the i18n list, starting now.
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+<PRE>Binary Trance a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi Wayne
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/9/28 Wayne Sallee &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at waynesallee.com</A>&gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think it's too large of a logo (when you include all the lines),
+</I>&gt;<i> and it's too hard to understand the name.
+</I>&gt;<i> The line pattern might make a good desktop design.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just another proposal no more no less, the idea was thinking on a
+</I>&gt;<i> bootsplash concept, and the logo precisely
+</I>&gt;<i> runs on transgession of the interpretation of the name :) its
+</I>&gt;<i> absolutely intentional :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> anyway theres a lot of option, and as i said, just for the pleasrure
+</I>&gt;<i> for share things...
+</I>that's why we're all here :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Namaste
+</I>&gt;<i> Pablo Barrera
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It looks really nice for a splash screen ...
+The colours are really nice too.
+Some suggestions ...
+For a logo, how about just taking the &quot;mageia / linux as in freedom&quot; part.
+To make it more readable, drop the G to its normal vertical position
+(with descender). The G and E can still be mirror images, although I
+would make them closer to a traditional E, and corresponding traditional
+G form. (That is, a G with an open descender.) The E would still be
+oversized, but that would be part of its charme.
+Like that, &quot;linux&quot; would have to be to the left of the G, &quot;as in
+freedom&quot; to the right.
+So that could be the full logo.
+Dropping &quot;linux&quot; and &quot;as in freedom&quot; could be a reduced logo.
+And including only the stylised GE could be the icon version.
+All versions would still look good in black and white, and would scale
+nicely. (Following the Mageia logo guidelines.)
+
+Please try it, I'd like to see if it would really work.
+Good luck :)
+
+my 2 cents
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+2010/9/28 andr&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please try it, I'd like to see if it would really work.
+</I>&gt;<i> Good luck :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> my 2 cents
+</I>&gt;<i> - andr&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>thanks for the feedback, i have the workstation on my house, so i will make
+the try this night :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Gmail doesn't do proper message threading like other email clients who
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+Oh, really? I did not know that.
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+So I repeat my earlier question what to do:
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+1. I'm switching computers more than once a day. I do not have
+installation access to all of those, so using IMAP and installing a
+client with my access data on all machines I use is not an option.
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+3. Over the last year I switched all my mail accounts to be gathered
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+</I>&gt;<i> good advices what I can do?
+</I>
+You could use web GMail always. It works fine for me. But it's
+because, as you, I user different machines. So I'd like to see always
+the same. I use web GMail only.
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> good advices what I can do?
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+</I>&gt;<i> You could use web GMail always. It works fine for me. But it's
+</I>&gt;<i> because, as you, I user different machines. So I'd like to see always
+</I>&gt;<i> the same. I use web GMail &#160;only.
+</I>
+That's what I've been doing for the time being but then I read that
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+&gt;<i> That's what I've been doing for the time being but then I read that
+</I>&gt;<i> Gmail breaks threads and limits the length of a thread, as Ahmad Sahir
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote. :(
+</I>You can always use Gmail over IMAP with Thunderbird (or with some other client).
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/28 Lucien-Henry Horvath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tempo2 at marneau.eu</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> EN (FR dessous) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is not realy hyper-correctness if several person thinking the same.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It was my first interpretation too ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have already a star in the logo (like Mao / Lenin / US-EU flags ;-) ) ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it realy a good idea to finish have a similar &quot;Pakistan or Turkey Flag&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png">http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A lot of flag of countries (with muslim history the most time) have crescent
+</I>&gt;<i> and star because it is a religious sign. Do you want a guys said immediatly
+</I>&gt;<i> when he look the logo : this is a muslim operating system ? Certainly not.
+</I>&gt;<i> All the world must be recognize him in this logo, in this linux distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> ... not only a part.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like realy this logo but only the version without the crescent of moon.
+</I>&gt;<i> The rest is clear, professional.
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not the inversed star on the &quot;i&quot; _ and _ a &quot;M&quot; in form of penguin foot,
+</I>&gt;<i> like in an another proposal ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you let crescent on this logo and if you adopt this logo, you can just be
+</I>&gt;<i> sure that no government will use the distribution. Don't forget that, as a
+</I>&gt;<i> french distro, Mandriva was (is) used by french army today, and taxes
+</I>&gt;<i> ministery. They have to do care to not use to easily signed tools in their
+</I>&gt;<i> materials.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I say : Too similar religious signs in logo are dangerous for the future of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> FR (EN up) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ce n'est pas vraiment une hyper-correction, si plusieurs personnes pensant
+</I>&gt;<i> la m&#234;me chose.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C'&#233;tait aussi ma premi&#232;re interpr&#233;tation ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nous avons d&#233;j&#224; une &#233;toile dans le logo (comme Mao / drapeaux L&#233;nine USA-UE
+</I>&gt;<i> / ;-)) ... Est-ce vraiment une bonne id&#233;e d'avoir un logo comme les drapeaux
+</I>&gt;<i> du Pakistan ou de la Turquie?
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png">http://www.fepef.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/600px-Flag_of_Pakistan_bordered.svg.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Un grand nombre de pavillon de pays (de culuture historique musulmane la
+</I>&gt;<i> plupart du temps) ont le croissant et l'&#233;toile parce que c'est un signe
+</I>&gt;<i> religieux. Voulez-vous qu'un gars dise tout de suite quand il regarde le
+</I>&gt;<i> logo: il s'agit d'un syst&#232;me d'exploitation musulman? Certainement pas. Tout
+</I>&gt;<i> le monde doit &#234;tre se reconna&#238;tre dans ce logo, dans cette distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> linux ... non seulement une partie.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> J'aime vraiment ce logo, mais seulement la version sans le croissant de
+</I>&gt;<i> lune. Sans cela, il reste clair et professionnel.
+</I>&gt;<i> Pourquoi ne pas garder l'&#233;toile invers&#233;e sur le &quot;i&quot; _ _ et un &quot;M&quot; en forme
+</I>&gt;<i> de pied de manchots, comme dans une autre proposition ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Si vous laissez le croissant sur ce logo et si vous adoptez ce logo, vous
+</I>&gt;<i> pouvez juste &#234;tre s&#251;r qu'aucun gouvernement ne va utiliser la distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ne pas oublier que, en temps que distribution fran&#231;aise, Mandriva a &#233;t&#233;
+</I>&gt;<i> (est) utilis&#233;(e) par l'arm&#233;e fran&#231;aise d'aujourd'hui, et le minist&#232;re des
+</I>&gt;<i> imp&#244;ts. Ils doivent faire attention &#224; ne pas utiliser &#224; des outils portant
+</I>&gt;<i> des signes ostentatoires.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Je dis: Trop de signes apparentables &#224; des signes religieux dans le logo
+</I>&gt;<i> sont dangereux pour l'avenir de Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LoL ! Everything can be mis-interpreted. Please don't fall into a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hyper-correctness.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+A correction. Turkish flag is not religional sign but a historical
+fact. Moon and star founded in a war while Sultan Selim III ruled
+Ottoman Empire. The moon and star reflected on blood of dead Turkish
+soldiers and it excited others. That's why Turkish flag is moon and
+star on a red surface.
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+<PRE>On 28 September 2010 18:26, Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/28 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gmail doesn't do proper message threading like other email clients who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> do it properly e.g. thunderbird or evolution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, really? I did not know that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I repeat my earlier question what to do:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. I'm switching computers more than once a day. I do not have
+</I>&gt;<i> installation access to all of those, so using IMAP and installing a
+</I>&gt;<i> client with my access data on all machines I use is not an option.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. I'm travelling and sometimes I have to use internet caf&#233;s for net
+</I>&gt;<i> access. I can't use the machines there to access my IMAP account.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Over the last year I switched all my mail accounts to be gathered
+</I>&gt;<i> at Googlemail, because of the reasons I mentioned above.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+</I>&gt;<i> good advices what I can do?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No, I think I wasn't clear enough (sorry about that).
+
+Go on using gmail like you do; I've been using it with all the
+Mandriva ML's for the past 1-2years (web mail via firefox, I didn't
+use any email clients) and I didn't get any complaints of breaking
+threads when I post/reply to the ML(s).
+
+You see, when sending emails gmail does send the message headers and
+everything properly.
+
+Gmail differs in just how it *groups* the received emails in threads
+(called conversations in the gmail world). The example I gave, about
+the bugs mailing list, is a good one, when the subject line changes
+gmail splits the thread (when you reply to an ML thread you're not
+changing the subject line); an email client would be more thorough and
+see that it's the same thread even though one word changed in the
+subject line (bugzilla adds the keyword to the subject line, e.g.
+NEEDINFO). But that's probably a corner case.
+
+FWIW, I've never used gmane, I subscribe to the various mailing lists
+directly. Also note that you haven't broken any threads with all the
+emails you sent up till now ;)
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:40 PM, atilla ontas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tarakbumba at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A correction. Turkish flag is not religional sign but a historical
+</I>&gt;<i> fact. Moon and star founded in a war while Sultan Selim III ruled
+</I>&gt;<i> Ottoman Empire. The moon and star reflected on blood of dead Turkish
+</I>&gt;<i> soldiers and it excited others. That's why Turkish flag is moon and
+</I>&gt;<i> star on a red surface.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, but zealots of any stripe tend to not allow facts to contravene
+their beliefs.
+
+But th curve is nice. Perhaps it can be divided vertically and given a
+Mobius twist?
+
+And a Mobius-like symbol might better represent the ideals of Linux:
+fundamental, enigmatic, unending
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+<PRE>On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:47 AM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> May I suggest to people who sent such messages that they be a little bit
+</I>&gt;<i> more friendly, and kindly explain what is a thread ( because not
+</I>&gt;<i> everybody know this ), and how to not break them ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And by the way, such messages would better be sent in private IMHO, this
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;is not related to the list.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Agreed.
+
+There should also be an &quot;official&quot; page of message rules where those
+who love to enforce them can direct those who love to break them.
+
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?">andr55 at laposte.net
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> good advices what I can do?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You could use web GMail always. It works fine for me. But it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because, as you, I user different machines. So I'd like to see always
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same. I use web GMail only.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what I've been doing for the time being but then I read that
+</I>&gt;<i> Gmail breaks threads and limits the length of a thread, as Ahmad Sahir
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote. :(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>The most critical point, as Ahmad said, is to never change the subject,
+as Gmail will then start a new thread.
+Google also starts a new thread after 100 messages, but that is much
+less of a problem.
+
+Note also that the default location for replies using Gmail by the web
+is BEFORE the message being replied to. To avoid &quot;top-posting&quot;
+(replying before), please ensure that you insert your replies AFTER the
+part you are replying to. This makes it much easier for others to
+follow the discussion, particularly if you are replying to multiple
+parts of the same message.
+And of course, deleting parts of the message to which you are not
+replying also helps others follow your point(s).
+- Andr&#233; :)
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+&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/28 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I do not want to break threads and I want to follow the lists, so, any
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> good advices what I can do?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> You could use web GMail always. It works fine for me. But it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because, as you, I user different machines. So I'd like to see always
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the same. I use web GMail &#160;only.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That's what I've been doing for the time being but then I read that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gmail breaks threads and limits the length of a thread, as Ahmad Sahir
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote. :(
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The most critical point, as Ahmad said, is to never change the subject, as
+</I>&gt;<i> Gmail will then start a new thread.
+</I>&gt;<i> Google also starts a new thread after 100 messages, but that is much less of
+</I>&gt;<i> a problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note also that the default location for replies using Gmail by the web is
+</I>&gt;<i> BEFORE the message being replied to. &#160;To avoid &quot;top-posting&quot; (replying
+</I>&gt;<i> before), please ensure that you insert your replies AFTER the part you are
+</I>&gt;<i> replying to. &#160;This makes it much easier for others to follow the discussion,
+</I>&gt;<i> particularly if you are replying to multiple parts of the same message.
+</I>&gt;<i> And of course, deleting parts of the message to which you are not replying
+</I>&gt;<i> also helps others follow your point(s).
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233; :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Come on, I already know how to avoid top-posting (by not posting when
+I am on the roof (the top) of the house). :D (kidding).
+
+Yes, gmail doesn't give an option to default to bottom-posting but
+that just means a couple of extra mouse scrolls to bottom-post
+manually.
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, gmail doesn't give an option to default to bottom-posting but
+</I>&gt;<i> that just means a couple of extra mouse scrolls to bottom-post
+</I>&gt;<i> manually.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+There was an add-on to force bottom posting; I'm surprised that GMail
+does not offer hat opton.
+
+I use GMail because I routinely use multiple computers, not all of
+which are mine or are Linux.
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+&gt;<i> What usernet group to used in Gname.
+</I>
+ E.g. gmane.linux.mageia.devel
+ gmane.linux.mageia.user
+
+(If your news reader has a 'show all groups' facility with a filter
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+
+What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+(nooooooooooooooooo!) ?
+
+Eden Caldas
+Consultor de TI
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eden at linuxfacil.srv.br</A>
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+Eden Caldas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eden at linuxfacil.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> (nooooooooooooooooo!)
+</I>Like in mandriva: urpmi (mageia is a mandriva's fork)
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+&gt;<i> Sorry if its been asked already.
+</I>(yes it has been, just yesterday, search the archive)
+&gt;<i> What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> (nooooooooooooooooo!) ?
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+urpmi is great, so there is no reason to change.
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+&gt;<i> Sorry if its been asked already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> (nooooooooooooooooo!) ?
+</I>
+It's a Mandriva fork, we keep what is in Mandriva. The plan is to have
+a new release ready as soon as possible, not to make big changes which
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Eden Caldas wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sorry if its been asked already.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What will be the package management system? apt? yum? keep urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (nooooooooooooooooo!) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's a Mandriva fork, we keep what is in Mandriva. The plan is to have
+</I>&gt;<i> a new release ready as soon as possible, not to make big changes which
+</I>&gt;<i> will add a lot of delays.
+</I>
+to be fair, yum is already in the repository, so does smart.
+Apt-rpm is unmaintained, but if someone does the job of taking care of
+it, it could also be.
+
+And we also have poldek too, not sure about the status of this one.
+
+So, for people who are not happy with the default, do not hesitate to
+test others packages managers and report issues ( for example, yum does
+requires specific indexes that we do not provides at mandriva, but we
+could add them if required, i guess ).
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+&gt;<i> # Post did not go through; resending.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Yea, I think the design looks good for boot splash, other than the name being hard to read.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:02 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> to be fair, yum is already in the repository, so does smart.
+</I>&gt;<i> Apt-rpm is unmaintained, but if someone does the job of taking care of
+</I>&gt;<i> it, it could also be.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And we also have poldek too, not sure about the status of this one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, for people who are not happy with the default, do not hesitate to
+</I>&gt;<i> test others packages managers and report issues ( for example, yum does
+</I>&gt;<i> requires specific indexes that we do not provides at mandriva, but we
+</I>&gt;<i> could add them if required, i guess ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As you have just brought up Smart here, I did remember about it and
+though about this.
+
+Some time ago, there was an employees from MandrakeSoft who was working
+on Smart and developping it just like RPMDrake has been developped up to
+now. Yet, back to the previous cost cutting plans the company already
+did, it was decided to only keep RPMDrake as main package manager and
+the employee working on Smart was fired, even though Smart was very
+popular at that time.
+
+Since then, looking at Smart's GUI, it looks like it has not been
+significantly improved since a long time. Lookign in the package's
+history, the fixes show it is maintained only to prevent it from being
+broken.
+
+I know there are several people who are not satisfied with RPMDrake,
+this because they prefer to have a package manager with a different
+philosophy or other kind if conception. I believe Smart could then be
+improved both in text and GUI if people are encouraged to develop and
+work on it. It could offer yet another approach then for package
+management.
+
+Yet, there will have also to be a lot of work on the DrakXtools as well,
+but helping Smart regaining some useful evolution might not be bad for
+people who want a more technically evolved package manager than
+RPMDrake, or something different. At least, I think it would make more
+sense to focus on both RPMDrake and Smart rather than asking for
+Synaptics or others.
+
+This is just a proposal, as I know it is still appreciated and was
+actively developped in the past. But if I got something wrong, please
+fix me then. :-)
+
+Skiper
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+
+&gt;<i> As you have just brought up Smart here, I did remember about it and
+</I>&gt;<i> though about this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some time ago, there was an employees from MandrakeSoft who was working
+</I>&gt;<i> on Smart and developping it just like RPMDrake has been developped up to
+</I>&gt;<i> now. Yet, back to the previous cost cutting plans the company already
+</I>&gt;<i> did, it was decided to only keep RPMDrake as main package manager and
+</I>&gt;<i> the employee working on Smart was fired, even though Smart was very
+</I>&gt;<i> popular at that time.
+</I>
+No.
+The guy you speak about is Gustavo Niemeyer, and he was not fired, he
+left for Canonical after being approached during Europython in 2006. He
+didn't worked long for Mandriva.
+
+There was some discussions of using smart on Ubuntu too, but Gustavo was
+assigned to work on landscape and storm
+( <A HREF="http://jamwow.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/my-work-at-canonical/">http://jamwow.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/my-work-at-canonical/</A> ).
+Someone from Canonical told me the orm ( ie storm ) was written for
+landscape and later launchpad was ported on it after storm was published
+as &quot;launchpad orm&quot; ( but they couldn't speak of Landscape at that
+time ).
+
+Now, he is working on openstack, afaik.
+
+And well, while smart was new and shiny with original features, I think
+&quot;being popular&quot; is a overstatement. Smart gui is clearly inspired by
+synaptics, and is a little bit too powerful and complex ( and a little
+bit buggy, I fill 4 bugs in 15 minutes of test :/ in that time ).
+
+
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+that I can enter can be no longer than:
+
+'ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHON MAN'
+
+(I copy/pasted into my bank application).
+
+Moreover, the IBAN was judged invalid due to the spaces in the number. Only
+when the spaces were removed did my bank accept it.
+
+Perhaps it might be wise to take this stuff into account. No doubt this
+might work differently when you use another bank than I did, but this
+is what I found.
+
+Best regards,
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+&gt;<i> It is only minor, but when I send a donation via bank transfer, the name
+</I>&gt;<i> that I can enter can be no longer than:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 'ASSO UTILISATEURS FRANCOPHON MAN'
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (I copy/pasted into my bank application).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Moreover, the IBAN was judged invalid due to the spaces in the number. Only
+</I>&gt;<i> when the spaces were removed did my bank accept it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Perhaps it might be wise to take this stuff into account. No doubt this
+</I>&gt;<i> might work differently when you use another bank than I did, but this
+</I>&gt;<i> is what I found.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> =Dick Gevers=
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+Thanks for the report.
+
+If you use bank web application many of them are very minimalistic
+
+The model we gave on he website is the complete one thought to be used
+through fax or direct demand.
+
+If you use you bank e-form transfer order (as i do) you need to adapt to
+your bank limitations, ie often :
+
+=&gt; Using shorter name for receiver label
+=&gt; Removing spaces for IBAN
+=&gt; Shortening Mention to 30 or 50 chars
+
+It's very limitative but very few banks (afaik) made the effort to
+provide a correct order e-form.
+
+I found this rather rude too :-(
+
+Ma&#226;t
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+than others.
+
+
+I just hope that beyond the tool, it should change, the same quality on the
+dependency tree will be present. And in both senses of the tree.
+it's hard to find an example that does not require the troll, but for
+example I find it regrettable that uninstalling a package gtk entails
+uninstalling the core underneath, especially as this core is used by an
+application qt (no name) Or I do not like the tool I propose to install the
+world as it is just necessary to install three libraries (no name).
+
+Beyond the tool, I hope that the quality of management of dependencies will
+be preserved
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+
+We took a fresh modern simplistic look to the idea of a new logo. Items
+such as colour and font should have just as much meaning as the logo
+design itself. After a short bit of research, I was informed dark red is
+synonymous with a Mage(magician) in keeping with the Mageia slogan.
+
+Every aspect of application was taken into consideration, such as logo's
+banners, CD labels, t-shirts, business cards, favicons, link buttons,
+menu icons and such. These needed to work in multiple resolutions (as
+stated in the outlines on the website). Below is two examples of what
+have come to mind. Please take time to look and give your opinion. I
+feel very strong that such designs be a collaborative work of all
+involved. A 'one design fits all' approach.
+
+The colours, font, shape and proportions are not absolute and can be
+adjusted accordingly.
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia2.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia2.jpg</A>
+
+
+
+~ Rory Albertyn (Gripen on Freenode)
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+<PRE>Le 28/09/2010 20:54, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:34 +0200, Thomas Lottmann a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you have just brought up Smart here, I did remember about it and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> though about this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some time ago, there was an employees from MandrakeSoft who was working
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> on Smart and developping it just like RPMDrake has been developped up to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> now. Yet, back to the previous cost cutting plans the company already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> did, it was decided to only keep RPMDrake as main package manager and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the employee working on Smart was fired, even though Smart was very
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> popular at that time.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;<i> The guy you speak about is Gustavo Niemeyer, and he was not fired, he
+</I>&gt;<i> left for Canonical after being approached during Europython in 2006. He
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't worked long for Mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Okay, so my brain badly registered the explanations I got from that
+story. All my excuses...
+
+/me thinks of updating his brain's hardware conf to avoid this kind of
+stuff...
+
+&gt;<i> There was some discussions of using smart on Ubuntu too, but Gustavo was
+</I>&gt;<i> assigned to work on landscape and storm
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://jamwow.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/my-work-at-canonical/">http://jamwow.wordpress.com/2010/09/27/my-work-at-canonical/</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i> Someone from Canonical told me the orm ( ie storm ) was written for
+</I>&gt;<i> landscape and later launchpad was ported on it after storm was published
+</I>&gt;<i> as &quot;launchpad orm&quot; ( but they couldn't speak of Landscape at that
+</I>&gt;<i> time ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, he is working on openstack, afaik.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And well, while smart was new and shiny with original features, I think
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;being popular&quot; is a overstatement. Smart gui is clearly inspired by
+</I>&gt;<i> synaptics, and is a little bit too powerful and complex ( and a little
+</I>&gt;<i> bit buggy, I fill 4 bugs in 15 minutes of test :/ in that time ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thank you for retelling the sotry properly, I was not yet on Linux at
+that time. But I am still quite sure Smart was appreciated for a few
+points, not remembering them...
+
+As the GUI tool is bugged and, on my computer, apparently unusable, is
+it worth fixing it, maintain it, and eventually improve it? I mean,
+there may be a potential in such a powerful tool.
+
+Nothing urgent in that though, just thinking about it since there was
+this conversation.
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 28 September 2010 19:34:09 Thomas Lottmann wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:02 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, for people who are not happy with the default, do not hesitate to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; test others packages managers and report issues ( for example, yum does
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; requires specific indexes that we do not provides at mandriva, but we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could add them if required, i guess ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...[s]ince then, looking at Smart's GUI, it looks like it has not been
+</I>&gt;<i> significantly improved since a long time. Lookign in the package's
+</I>&gt;<i> history, the fixes show it is maintained only to prevent it from being
+</I>&gt;<i> broken...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>... I know there are several people who are not satisfied with RPMDrake,
+</I>&gt;<i> this because they prefer to have a package manager with a different
+</I>&gt;<i> philosophy or other kind if conception. I believe Smart could then be
+</I>&gt;<i> improved both in text and GUI if people are encouraged to develop and
+</I>&gt;<i> work on it. It could offer yet another approach then for package
+</I>&gt;<i> management.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Skiper
+</I>
+I confess to a quite high level of ignorance about package managers, as I have
+only ever known and used rpmdrake in its evolution since around 2000, but you
+have both said things to make me think that some of the frustrations I have
+experienced since 2008 Spring may be due to controllable features of the
+package manager.
+
+The simplest analysis tells us that rpmdrake does its job admirably; point,
+click and presto, your software is installed (OK, you may have to click a
+couple more times to agree to the selected packages list).
+
+How much better could it possibly do this? What am I missing? You have both
+mentioned alternatives, some of which I know by name, but in what way do apt,
+yum or smart do this job any better?
+
+I realise that package managers are needed because humans have to add some
+intelligence in the form of what libraries are needed to get a program to
+run. I also know that sometimes humans get this badly wrong (try removing a
+library that you know will never be used and ask yourself why rpmdrake wants
+to remove over 200 packages with it!). Do other package managers manage to
+avoid this embarassing and frustrating behaviour? or is it that it is just
+easier to get it right with package types other than rpm?
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+Richard
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The colours, font, shape and proportions are not absolute and can be
+</I>&gt;<i> adjusted accordingly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i> ~ Rory Albertyn (Gripen on Freenode)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+ very nice
+
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+
+this is not really an answer to you, you just wrote the last posting in this
+threat...
+
+Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-09-28
+&gt;<i> Thank you for retelling the sotry properly, I was not yet on Linux at
+</I>&gt;<i> that time. But I am still quite sure Smart was appreciated for a few
+</I>&gt;<i> points, not remembering them...
+</I>That is the problem in this whole rpm vs. deb, urpmi vs. smart vs. apt,
+rpmdrake vs. synaptic thread. Nobody has given any reasons for changing away
+from rpm, urpmi and rpmdrake. And - working with many systems during my dayly
+life, yum, zypper, urpmi, aptitude, I don't see one of them superior to any of
+the others.
+At the company I'm working, we are using Debian-, OpenSuSE-, and CentOS-
+Servers as well as my Mandriva workstation. And I am doing administrative work
+on all of them.
+None of those systems has anything that would make me change away from the one
+I know best, which is Mandriva. So if nothing can give any technical reasons,
+this whole debate is useless!
+
+Oliver
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+[...]
+&gt;<i> Go on using gmail like you do; I've been using it with all the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva ML's for the past 1-2years (web mail via firefox, I didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> use any email clients) and I didn't get any complaints of breaking
+</I>&gt;<i> threads when I post/reply to the ML(s).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You see, when sending emails gmail does send the message headers and
+</I>&gt;<i> everything properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gmail differs in just how it *groups* the received emails in threads
+</I>&gt;<i> (called conversations in the gmail world). The example I gave, about
+</I>&gt;<i> the bugs mailing list, is a good one, when the subject line changes
+</I>&gt;<i> gmail splits the thread (when you reply to an ML thread you're not
+</I>&gt;<i> changing the subject line); an email client would be more thorough and
+</I>&gt;<i> see that it's the same thread even though one word changed in the
+</I>&gt;<i> subject line (bugzilla adds the keyword to the subject line, e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> NEEDINFO). But that's probably a corner case.
+</I>[...]
+
+Not to mention that if you're using gmail and you send an email to a mailing
+list, you never know if it was delivered or not, because the mail you send is
+the start of the conversation, you never get your own email. If you'd use IMAP
+on gmail accounts, you'd see it much clearer, because instead of
+conversations, your sent email is in a Sent folder. (which sometimes leads to
+double emails on the list)
+
+I can understand that webbased emails are the best solution for some people,
+but it doesn't have to be gmail; noone is even saying you can't for example
+install a squirrelmail or similar on your home-server. (it's an option)
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+ <B>Adrian Marcinkowski</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal">amfidiusz at gmail.com
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+ <I>Tue Sep 28 23:06:39 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>W dniu 2010-09-28 22:07, Rory Albertyn pisze:
+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>
+I do not like the font you used. It makes is difficult to read the name
+(especially the 'e' letter) and since Mageia is a non-English word, we
+should make the name visible at the first glance, without any doubts.
+Personally, I am (as are some other users) against using a decorated 'M'
+letter as our logo. We can develop something better, more unique.
+
+And a general remark... As the logo group has been created on flickr,
+could we keep and discuss all the projects over there? If every designer
+presents his/her logo in a new thread, it will become messy and what's
+worse, we're going to repeat the same arguments all over again. Once
+we've got a go from the board, there will be time and place to discuss
+all projects and vote for the best one.
+
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+ <I>Tue Sep 28 23:21:08 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:20 +0100, Richard a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> I confess to a quite high level of ignorance about package managers, as I have
+</I>&gt;<i> only ever known and used rpmdrake in its evolution since around 2000, but you
+</I>&gt;<i> have both said things to make me think that some of the frustrations I have
+</I>&gt;<i> experienced since 2008 Spring may be due to controllable features of the
+</I>&gt;<i> package manager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The simplest analysis tells us that rpmdrake does its job admirably; point,
+</I>&gt;<i> click and presto, your software is installed (OK, you may have to click a
+</I>&gt;<i> couple more times to agree to the selected packages list).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How much better could it possibly do this? What am I missing? You have both
+</I>&gt;<i> mentioned alternatives, some of which I know by name, but in what way do apt,
+</I>&gt;<i> yum or smart do this job any better?
+</I>
+Well, apt is likely to be faster, c++ may be the cause.
+
+Smart is portable across type of repository. It also use a cleaner
+design or algorithm, according to his developer. Among nice features, it
+can draw graphs of the dependency, feature a command line shell or
+parallel downloads ( <A HREF="http://labix.org/smart/features">http://labix.org/smart/features</A> )
+
+Yum is likely the more different of the 3. Yum has auto update feature
+( ie, it doesn't have a update command ) has a plugin infrastructure
+( who permit to extend the core in nice way ), and is still developped.
+
+
+Now, the &quot;install package&quot;, &quot;remove package&quot; are basic features that all
+of them do. And I think that all packages managers are equal on that
+regard.
+
+&gt;<i> I realise that package managers are needed because humans have to add some
+</I>&gt;<i> intelligence in the form of what libraries are needed to get a program to
+</I>&gt;<i> run. I also know that sometimes humans get this badly wrong (try removing a
+</I>&gt;<i> library that you know will never be used and ask yourself why rpmdrake wants
+</I>&gt;<i> to remove over 200 packages with it!). Do other package managers manage to
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid this embarassing and frustrating behaviour? or is it that it is just
+</I>&gt;<i> easier to get it right with package types other than rpm?
+</I>
+Nope, the problem is not linked to rpm or deb. If a library is needed,
+it is needed, that's simple.
+
+A system like emerge or macports ( macports is also in contribs, afaik )
+may however reduce the required dependency, depending on the software.
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+
+Sending HTML email makes it very difficult to know what your opinions
+are.
+
+Could you please send text-only email?
+
+Thank you in advance.
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
+--
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+ <b>Messages:</b> 101<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001426.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001446.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001447.html">[Mageia-discuss] About dependency management (was: rpm or deb?)
+</A><A NAME="1447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001439.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#224;s Deltell Bonell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001456.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001477.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001480.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001482.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001463.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001465.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001469.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001476.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001508.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eden Caldas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001493.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001436.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001468.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001418.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Comments on Ignacio's logo
+</A><A NAME="1419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001420.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001434.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001435.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001486.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001487.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )
+</A><A NAME="1487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001490.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001421.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001501.html">[Mageia-discuss] correct donation details
+</A><A NAME="1501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001451.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001459.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001464.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001481.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001427.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001452.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001475.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001411.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001431.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001450.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001483.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001441.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001494.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001413.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001510.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001438.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001455.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001461.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001502.html">[Mageia-discuss] correct donation details
+</A><A NAME="1502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001428.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001453.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luan Pham
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001429.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001519.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001457.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001462.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001471.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001472.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001485.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001489.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )
+</A><A NAME="1442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001466.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001497.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001500.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001425.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001432.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001479.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001422.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001509.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001478.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001488.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001423.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>ed
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Serbian tranaslation
+</A><A NAME="1443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001484.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001496.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Sep 28 23:21:08 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 01:35:08 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>28 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Sep 28 00:00:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Sep 28 23:21:08 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 101<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001411.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001413.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001418.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Comments on Ignacio's logo
+</A><A NAME="1419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001420.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001421.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001422.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001423.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>ed
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001425.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001426.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001427.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001428.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001429.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001431.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001432.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001434.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001435.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001436.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001447.html">[Mageia-discuss] About dependency management (was: rpm or deb?)
+</A><A NAME="1447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001438.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001439.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#224;s Deltell Bonell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001441.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )
+</A><A NAME="1442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Serbian tranaslation
+</A><A NAME="1443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001446.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001450.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001451.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001452.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001453.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luan Pham
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001457.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001455.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001456.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001462.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001459.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001461.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001468.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001464.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001463.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001466.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001465.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001469.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001471.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001472.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001519.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001475.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001477.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001476.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001478.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001479.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001480.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001481.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001482.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001483.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001484.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001485.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001486.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001487.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )
+</A><A NAME="1487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001488.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001489.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001490.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eden Caldas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001493.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001494.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001496.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001497.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001500.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001501.html">[Mageia-discuss] correct donation details
+</A><A NAME="1501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001502.html">[Mageia-discuss] correct donation details
+</A><A NAME="1502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001509.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001508.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001510.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Sep 28 23:21:08 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 01:35:08 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>28 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Sep 28 00:00:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Sep 28 23:21:08 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 101<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001447.html">[Mageia-discuss] About dependency management (was: rpm or deb?)
+</A><A NAME="1447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001411.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001418.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001421.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001422.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001426.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001431.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001434.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001475.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001484.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001486.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Comments on Ignacio's logo
+</A><A NAME="1419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001501.html">[Mageia-discuss] correct donation details
+</A><A NAME="1501">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001502.html">[Mageia-discuss] correct donation details
+</A><A NAME="1502">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001453.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luan Pham
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001466.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001413.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001504.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1504">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001510.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001420.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001423.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>ed
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001428.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001432.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001436.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001457.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001519.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001478.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001479.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Eden Caldas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001493.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001494.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001496.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1496">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001497.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1497">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001500.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001508.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001425.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001427.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001435.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Serbian tranaslation
+</A><A NAME="1443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001441.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001446.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001439.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#224;s Deltell Bonell
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001450.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )
+</A><A NAME="1442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001487.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )
+</A><A NAME="1487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001455.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001456.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001462.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001459.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001461.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001468.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001464.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1464">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001463.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1463">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001467.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1467">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marek Laane
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001465.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001469.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1469">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001473.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1473">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001474.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1474">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Miguel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001477.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1477">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001476.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1476">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001429.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001438.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001451.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001452.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001471.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001472.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001480.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001481.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001482.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001483.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001485.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001488.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001489.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001490.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001509.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Sep 28 23:21:08 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 01:35:08 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ </a></b></li>
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+ <h1>28 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Sep 28 00:00:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Sep 28 23:21:08 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 101<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285624805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001411.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285624805-01285631194- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001418.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285624805-01285631194-01285632249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001421.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285624805-01285631194-01285632249-01285632501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001422.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1422">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285624805-01285631194-01285632249-01285632501-01285638598- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001426.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1426">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285624805-01285631194-01285632249-01285632501-01285650361- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001434.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1434">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285624805-01285631194-01285632249-01285683862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001475.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1475">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285624805-01285631194-01285632249-01285683862-01285692005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001484.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1484">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285624805-01285631194-01285632249-01285683862-01285692005-01285692485- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001486.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1486">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285624805-01285631194-01285646281- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001431.html">[Mageia-discuss] An excellent logo for Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1431">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285625060- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001413.html">[Mageia-discuss] List language
+</A><A NAME="1413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285625271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285625271-01285641196- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001430.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1430">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285625271-01285641196-01285675531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001453.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luan Pham
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285625271-01285641196-01285675531-01285677628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001466.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1466">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285625271-01285641196-01285675531-01285690715- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Help about gmane and broken threads
+</A><A NAME="1491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285626245- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andre Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285626245-01285629410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285627074- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285627074-01285665245- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001444.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1444">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juan Carlos de la Cruz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285627074-01285665245-01285665891- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001445.html">[Mageia-discuss] Donations page translated to Spanish
+</A><A NAME="1445">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285631271- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Comments on Ignacio's logo
+</A><A NAME="1419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285631712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001420.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285631712-01285634603- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001423.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1423">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>ed
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285635610- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001424.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia with Synaptic
+</A><A NAME="1424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285637689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001425.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1425">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285637689-01285638876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001427.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1427">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285637689-01285638876-01285650710- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001435.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm or deb?
+</A><A NAME="1435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285639471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001428.html">[Mageia-discuss] origin of the name &quot;mageia&quot;?
+</A><A NAME="1428">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dwight Paige
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285640548- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001429.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1429">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285647961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001432.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1432">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285647961-01285650201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001433.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1433">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285647961-01285650201-01285654014- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001436.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1436">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285647961-01285650201-01285654014-01285654746- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285647961-01285669722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001448.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1448">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285647961-01285669722-01285672579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001449.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1449">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285647961-01285669722-01285672579-01285675047- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001460.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1460">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285647961-01285669722-01285672579-01285676024- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001457.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1457">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285647961-01285669722-01285672579-01285676024-01285683105- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001519.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1519">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sinner from the Prairy
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285647961-01285669722-01285672579-01285676024-01285698129- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285647961-01285669722-01285672579-01285686820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001478.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1478">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285647961-01285669722-01285672579-01285686820-01285687465- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001479.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1479">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285655057- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001447.html">[Mageia-discuss] About dependency management (was: rpm or deb?)
+</A><A NAME="1447">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Daniel Le Berre
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285660722- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001438.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1438">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285660722-01285663677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )
+</A><A NAME="1442">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285660722-01285663677-01285692705- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001487.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thread breaking ( Was: who knows about site mageia-br? )
+</A><A NAME="1487">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285660722-01285675182- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001451.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1451">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285660722-01285675182-01285675427- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001452.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1452">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001471.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1471">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285678250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001472.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1472">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285687613- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001480.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1480">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285687613-01285688106- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001481.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1481">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285687613-01285688106-01285688400- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001482.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1482">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285687613-01285688106-01285688400-01285690860- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001483.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1483">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285687613-01285688106-01285688400-01285692755- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001488.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285687613-01285688106-01285688400-01285692755-01285693295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001489.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285687613-01285688106-01285688400-01285692755-01285693295-01285694256- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001490.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285687613-01285692141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001485.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1485">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285660722-01285675182-01285678216-01285687613-01285692141-01285704962- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001509.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285660869- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001439.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1439">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#224;s Deltell Bonell
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285661582- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001440.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailist etiquette -- gentle reminder
+</A><A NAME="1440">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285661635- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001441.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1441">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285661635-01285669287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001446.html">[Mageia-discuss] South African User Community
+</A><A NAME="1446">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285665022- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001443.html">[Mageia-discuss] Serbian tranaslation
+</A><A NAME="1443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>miodragz
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285674639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001450.html">[Mageia-discuss] State of the kitchen
+</A><A NAME="1450">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285676032- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001454.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1454">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David V. Wallin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285676032-01285676268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001455.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1455">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285676032-01285676268-01285676518- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001458.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1458">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285676032-01285676268-01285676518-01285676658- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001461.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1461">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285676032-01285676268-01285677994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001470.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1470">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285676032-01285676309- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001456.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1456">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285676032-01285676309-01285676666- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001468.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1468">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285676032-01285676315- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001462.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1462">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285676032-01285676315-01285677818- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001465.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1465">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285676032-01285676605- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001459.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1459">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 28 September 2010 22:21:08 Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:20 +0100, Richard a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How much better could it possibly do this? What am I missing? You have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; both mentioned alternatives, some of which I know by name, but in what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way do apt, yum or smart do this job any better?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, apt is likely to be faster, c++ may be the cause.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That makes sudden sense; I had forgotten how slow rpmdrake has become while it
+builds and rebuilds its view of the installed packages inventory. I am
+guessing this is a &quot;compiled-v-interpreted&quot; thing. No matter how much faster
+is the PC I use, rpmdrake always seems to be slower than I would like/expect.
+That, of course, is where urpmi is most certainly your friend being many many
+times faster to get going - provided I already know the name of what I want
+to install.
+
+&gt;<i> Smart is portable across type of repository. It also use a cleaner
+</I>&gt;<i> design or algorithm, according to his developer. Among nice features, it
+</I>&gt;<i> can draw graphs of the dependency, feature a command line shell or
+</I>&gt;<i> parallel downloads ( <A HREF="http://labix.org/smart/features">http://labix.org/smart/features</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>A dependency graph would be pretty to look at, but it would be even better if
+the dependencies were to be colour coded to indicate which are true
+dependencies and which are just the packager's whim, and then give you the
+opportunity to ignore those which are neither wanted nor needed.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...Now, the &quot;install package&quot;, &quot;remove package&quot; are basic features that all
+</I>&gt;<i> of them do. And I think that all packages managers are equal on that
+</I>&gt;<i> regard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That was my feeling about package managers too so thank you for adding weight
+to the opinion.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I realise that package managers are needed because humans have to add
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some intelligence in the form of what libraries are needed to get a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; program to run. I also know that sometimes humans get this badly wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (try removing a library that you know will never be used and ask yourself
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; why rpmdrake wants to remove over 200 packages with it!). Do other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package managers manage to avoid this embarassing and frustrating
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; behaviour? or is it that it is just easier to get it right with package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; types other than rpm?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope, the problem is not linked to rpm or deb. If a library is needed,
+</I>&gt;<i> it is needed, that's simple.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A system like emerge or macports ( macports is also in contribs, afaik )
+</I>&gt;<i> may however reduce the required dependency, depending on the software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I sense a tendency in your response to the same confusion I am suffering from.
+On the one hand I find it easy to imagine that the packager is in total
+control of what a package regards as a &quot;dependency&quot; but on the other hand I
+must accept that your comment on macports may also be true. I do not know yet
+how to reconcile these apparent contradictions and I am really hoping I don't
+have to become the master of package management on all conceivable platforms
+before I can understand enough of this to make sense of it.
+
+I can fully grasp the concept that the structure of a package (rpm or deb) is
+not relevant to the program's requirement for one or more libraries, but I do
+not understand by what mechanism &quot;nice to haves&quot; are included as &quot;must
+haves&quot;. Is it likely to be simply a packager's oversight or perhaps do some
+package types not enable the distinction to be made? If the latter, and rpms
+are of this type, then is ther a package type which does support the
+distinction?
+
+Richard
+
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+<PRE>Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 &#224; 23:16 +0100, Richard a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 28 September 2010 22:21:08 Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:20 +0100, Richard a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; How much better could it possibly do this? What am I missing? You have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; both mentioned alternatives, some of which I know by name, but in what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; way do apt, yum or smart do this job any better?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, apt is likely to be faster, c++ may be the cause.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That makes sudden sense; I had forgotten how slow rpmdrake has become while it
+</I>&gt;<i> builds and rebuilds its view of the installed packages inventory. I am
+</I>&gt;<i> guessing this is a &quot;compiled-v-interpreted&quot; thing. No matter how much faster
+</I>&gt;<i> is the PC I use, rpmdrake always seems to be slower than I would like/expect.
+</I>&gt;<i> That, of course, is where urpmi is most certainly your friend being many many
+</I>&gt;<i> times faster to get going - provided I already know the name of what I want
+</I>&gt;<i> to install.
+</I>
+Well, I think the rise of number packages, and the time needed to create
+graphical objects are the reason of the slowdown. Maybe there is also a
+regression somewhere. But you cannot really compare apt and rpmdrake,
+apt being command line only, there is no graphical interface creation
+overhead.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Smart is portable across type of repository. It also use a cleaner
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; design or algorithm, according to his developer. Among nice features, it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can draw graphs of the dependency, feature a command line shell or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; parallel downloads ( <A HREF="http://labix.org/smart/features">http://labix.org/smart/features</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> A dependency graph would be pretty to look at, but it would be even better if
+</I>&gt;<i> the dependencies were to be colour coded to indicate which are true
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies and which are just the packager's whim, and then give you the
+</I>&gt;<i> opportunity to ignore those which are neither wanted nor needed.
+</I>
+In rpm, all deps are usually required. You can have Suggests, but
+Suggests can be removed without troubles.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I realise that package managers are needed because humans have to add
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; some intelligence in the form of what libraries are needed to get a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; program to run. I also know that sometimes humans get this badly wrong
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (try removing a library that you know will never be used and ask yourself
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; why rpmdrake wants to remove over 200 packages with it!). Do other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; package managers manage to avoid this embarassing and frustrating
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; behaviour? or is it that it is just easier to get it right with package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; types other than rpm?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Nope, the problem is not linked to rpm or deb. If a library is needed,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is needed, that's simple.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A system like emerge or macports ( macports is also in contribs, afaik )
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; may however reduce the required dependency, depending on the software.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I sense a tendency in your response to the same confusion I am suffering from.
+</I>&gt;<i> On the one hand I find it easy to imagine that the packager is in total
+</I>&gt;<i> control of what a package regards as a &quot;dependency&quot; but on the other hand I
+</I>&gt;<i> must accept that your comment on macports may also be true. I do not know yet
+</I>&gt;<i> how to reconcile these apparent contradictions and I am really hoping I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> have to become the master of package management on all conceivable platforms
+</I>&gt;<i> before I can understand enough of this to make sense of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can fully grasp the concept that the structure of a package (rpm or deb) is
+</I>&gt;<i> not relevant to the program's requirement for one or more libraries, but I do
+</I>&gt;<i> not understand by what mechanism &quot;nice to haves&quot; are included as &quot;must
+</I>&gt;<i> haves&quot;. Is it likely to be simply a packager's oversight or perhaps do some
+</I>&gt;<i> package types not enable the distinction to be made? If the latter, and rpms
+</I>&gt;<i> are of this type, then is ther a package type which does support the
+</I>&gt;<i> distinction?
+</I>
+Macports and emerge are more flexible because they compile packages.
+
+Ie, some packages are inflexible. They requires strict dependency.
+For exemple, mplayer requires glibc, and this cannot be changed.
+
+Some have compile time option ( --with, --without at ./configure ).
+
+Mplayer can be compiled without libvorbis support, but you need to
+recompile it to enable it if needed later. This is quite annoying for
+most users, so usually, the packager have to choose, and in mandriva, we
+usually enable this, as most people will prefer features, and those that
+have specific requirement are usually able to fix the issue themselves
+( or would use another distro like gentoo, we cannot target every
+possible use case )
+
+And some have runtime options ( ie a plugins system ). Mplayer is not
+like that, but totem ( based on gstreamer ) is. Ie, you can install
+totem, and it will not automatically pull every gstreamer plugin to read
+every file.
+
+Packager usually try to split plugin in separate rpms, but then you have
+to make a choice, ie do we want the plugin to be installed by default or
+not ? It is a packager choice usually.
+
+If you fill there is excessive requirement on a package, feel free to
+ask the packager his opinion, or open a bug. But I would recommend that
+you first take some time to understand how it work before opening lots
+of bugs regarding this .
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 28 September 2010 22:21:08 Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, apt is likely to be faster, c++ may be the cause.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That makes sudden sense; I had forgotten how slow rpmdrake has become
+</I>&gt;<i> while it builds and rebuilds its view of the installed packages
+</I>&gt;<i> inventory. I am guessing this is a &quot;compiled-v-interpreted&quot; thing. No
+</I>&gt;<i> matter how much faster is the PC I use, rpmdrake always seems to be
+</I>&gt;<i> slower than I would like/expect. That, of course, is where urpmi is most
+</I>&gt;<i> certainly your friend being many many times faster to get going -
+</I>&gt;<i> provided I already know the name of what I want to install.
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+No, if you are talking about rpmdrake, you should compare it to synaptic.
+I you want to talk about apt (be it apt-get or aptitude), you should compare
+it to urpmi, and urpmi (in my opinion) is not slow.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Nope, the problem is not linked to rpm or deb. If a library is needed,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is needed, that's simple.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; A system like emerge or macports ( macports is also in contribs, afaik
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ) may however reduce the required dependency, depending on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I sense a tendency in your response to the same confusion I am suffering
+</I>&gt;<i> from. On the one hand I find it easy to imagine that the packager is in
+</I>&gt;<i> total control of what a package regards as a &quot;dependency&quot; but on the
+</I>&gt;<i> other hand I must accept that your comment on macports may also be true.
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not know yet how to reconcile these apparent contradictions and I
+</I>&gt;<i> am really hoping I don't have to become the master of package management
+</I>&gt;<i> on all conceivable platforms before I can understand enough of this to
+</I>&gt;<i> make sense of it.
+</I>
+emerge and macports are source-based &quot;packet&quot; managers.
+As the programs are compiled when you want to install them, you can decide
+to exclude some optional, compile-time functionality, and avoid their
+dependencies.
+In pre-compiled packets (like rpm or deb), the packager decided what should
+be compiled, and so what are the required dependencies.
+You still have the option to get the source package and tweak it (via the
+spec file for rpm, or rule for deb) to exclude some things you don't
+require. (but you will need to do it again each time an update is available)
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+&gt;<i> I can fully grasp the concept that the structure of a package (rpm or
+</I>&gt;<i> deb) is not relevant to the program's requirement for one or more
+</I>&gt;<i> libraries, but I do not understand by what mechanism &quot;nice to haves&quot; are
+</I>&gt;<i> included as &quot;must haves&quot;. Is it likely to be simply a packager's
+</I>&gt;<i> oversight or perhaps do some package types not enable the distinction to
+</I>&gt;<i> be made? If the latter, and rpms are of this type, then is ther a
+</I>&gt;<i> package type which does support the distinction?
+</I>
+Packages have dependencies, those are interpreted as &quot;this package cannot
+work without those&quot;.
+You can also have less strict recommendations, deb has provided for long
+recommended packages (not really required, but a must have) and suggested
+packages (is an interesting addition, but nothing essential).
+Rpm also provide such a mechanism (though I think is younger than deb) with
+the suggested packages.
+Urpmi take the suggested packages into account, when installing it will by
+default selected also the suggested packages, but you can add the --no-
+suggests option to avoid this.
+On the urpme side, if you uninstall a package that was installed as a
+suggestion, it won't trigger the uninstallation of the package that
+suggested it.
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+&gt;<i> And well, while smart was new and shiny with original features, I think
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;being popular&quot; is a overstatement.
+</I>
+I liked to use smart before.
+Once I needed it to solve dependencies i could not use urpm* to solve.
+It do give better overlook, and it have more efficient downloading, so i kept
+using it for a while.
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+Nowadays i just use urpmi to avoid any problems a less maintained program
+might have, but have smart installed just in case urpmi would break.
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+It would be great if urpmi could be given an advanced mode where dependencies
+are better displayed, bla, bla... and maybe for speed split into a downloader
+working continously and from more than one server concurrently, and another
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+Is it possible to begin the move gradually or must it be changed in one big
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+&gt;<i> How compatible is rpm5 to build system and installers?
+</I>&gt;<i> Is it possible to begin the move gradually or must it be changed in one big
+</I>&gt;<i> step?
+</I>
+Packages would not reqired change.
+However, it would requires change on tools.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Macports and emerge are more flexible because they compile packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ie, some packages are inflexible. They requires strict dependency.
+</I>&gt;<i> For exemple, mplayer requires glibc, and this cannot be changed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some have compile time option ( --with, --without at ./configure ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mplayer can be compiled without libvorbis support, but you need to
+</I>&gt;<i> recompile it to enable it if needed later. This is quite annoying for
+</I>&gt;<i> most users, so usually, the packager have to choose, and in mandriva, we
+</I>&gt;<i> usually enable this, as most people will prefer features, and those that
+</I>&gt;<i> have specific requirement are usually able to fix the issue themselves
+</I>&gt;<i> ( or would use another distro like gentoo, we cannot target every
+</I>&gt;<i> possible use case )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And some have runtime options ( ie a plugins system ). Mplayer is not
+</I>&gt;<i> like that, but totem ( based on gstreamer ) is. Ie, you can install
+</I>&gt;<i> totem, and it will not automatically pull every gstreamer plugin to read
+</I>&gt;<i> every file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Packager usually try to split plugin in separate rpms, but then you have
+</I>&gt;<i> to make a choice, ie do we want the plugin to be installed by default or
+</I>&gt;<i> not ? It is a packager choice usually.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That makes sense of my confusion, thank you. The single most annoying example
+of the packager's choice for me in the last few Mandrive releases has been
+the dogged insistence of the packager that I must have Pulse Audio installed
+or lose the whole of KDE (and presumably Gnome too). To get rid of it
+completely I must delete the last few remnants &quot;manually&quot; or I am caught in
+the unreal dependency trap.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you fill there is excessive requirement on a package, feel free to
+</I>&gt;<i> ask the packager his opinion, or open a bug. But I would recommend that
+</I>&gt;<i> you first take some time to understand how it work before opening lots
+</I>&gt;<i> of bugs regarding this .
+</I>
+I have been developing &quot;workarounds&quot; as required for the last few releases,
+but it has been getting harder to achieve cleanly on 2010.0 and 2010.1 . From
+your explanation above I can see that an early decision to prefer only
+consumer grade sound systems on the desktop has probably introduced a hard
+dependency on Pulse for some key KDE (and Gnome?) component. I would imagine
+that removal of Pulse causes the whole house of cards to collapse due to the
+indirect dependencies of KDE components on Pulse.
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+I wouldn't presume to call this a bug. After all, it is my decision to prefer
+a responsive low-latency efficient sound system that I nearly understand over
+the experimental and sluggish Pulse add-on layer which only seems to cause me
+greater problems.
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+You have given me hope that if I can learn enough about how rpms work I might
+be able to find the offending KDE package and re-package it for use on my
+machines without the &quot;dependency&quot;.
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+This does raise another question though. If KDE works perfectly well with
+Pulse deleted from the system, then how can Pulse be a genuine &quot;dependency&quot;?
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+That's a rhetorical question. When I find the faulty package I will contact
+the packager and discuss it with him as you suggest.
+
+Richard
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+&gt;<i> No, if you are talking about rpmdrake, you should compare it to synaptic.
+</I>&gt;<i> I you want to talk about apt (be it apt-get or aptitude), you should
+</I>&gt;<i> compare it to urpmi, and urpmi (in my opinion) is not slow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Agreed. Though I am not by any means a command line junkie I will always use
+uprmi when I know exactly what I want.
+
+So it is synaptic/apt and rpmdrake/urpmi. No doubt yum has a GUI counterpart
+too.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> emerge and macports are source-based &quot;packet&quot; managers.
+</I>&gt;<i> As the programs are compiled when you want to install them, you can decide
+</I>&gt;<i> to exclude some optional, compile-time functionality, and avoid their
+</I>&gt;<i> dependencies.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In pre-compiled packets (like rpm or deb), the packager decided what should
+</I>&gt;<i> be compiled, and so what are the required dependencies.
+</I>&gt;<i> You still have the option to get the source package and tweak it (via the
+</I>&gt;<i> spec file for rpm, or rule for deb) to exclude some things you don't
+</I>&gt;<i> require. (but you will need to do it again each time an update is
+</I>&gt;<i> available)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Right, I have done this with a custom ffmpeg build. Compile time dependency
+control is, of course, a grace and favour benefit provided by the program
+author. I get the impression that a packager can introduce depencies when
+special support is needed for extra features he may choose to include. This
+seems to be what happened with the 2010.1 issue of the foobillard rpm where a
+new dependency on Pulse has been created which does not exist in the 2010.0
+package or the author's source.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages have dependencies, those are interpreted as &quot;this package cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> work without those&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> You can also have less strict recommendations, deb has provided for long
+</I>&gt;<i> recommended packages (not really required, but a must have) and suggested
+</I>&gt;<i> packages (is an interesting addition, but nothing essential).
+</I>&gt;<i> Rpm also provide such a mechanism (though I think is younger than deb) with
+</I>&gt;<i> the suggested packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> Urpmi take the suggested packages into account, when installing it will by
+</I>&gt;<i> default selected also the suggested packages, but you can add the --no-
+</I>&gt;<i> suggests option to avoid this.
+</I>Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which &quot;depend&quot; on Pulse and
+re-package them such that Pulse is only &quot;recommended&quot;? If so then I will have
+to find the way to set the --no-suggests option in rpmdrake. I hadn't even
+looked for it before as I have only recently started to discover problems in
+Mandriva packages.
+&gt;<i> On the urpme side, if you uninstall a package that was installed as a
+</I>&gt;<i> suggestion, it won't trigger the uninstallation of the package that
+</I>&gt;<i> suggested it.
+</I>Something similar seems to apply to packages which I inadvertently &quot;mark&quot; as
+manually installed. urpme reports that such packages will be excluded from
+orphan detection. I love the --auto-orphans switch.
+
+Richard
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+&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We took a fresh modern simplistic look to the idea of a new logo. Items such
+</I>&gt;<i> as colour and font should have just as much meaning as the logo design
+</I>&gt;<i> itself. After a short bit of research, I was informed dark red is synonymous
+</I>&gt;<i> with a Mage(magician) in keeping with the Mageia slogan.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Every aspect of application was taken into consideration, such as logo's
+</I>&gt;<i> banners, CD labels, t-shirts, business cards, favicons, link buttons, menu
+</I>&gt;<i> icons and such. These needed to work in multiple resolutions (as stated in
+</I>&gt;<i> the outlines on the website). Below is two examples of what have come to
+</I>&gt;<i> mind. Please take time to look and give your opinion. I feel very strong that
+</I>&gt;<i> such designs be a collaborative work of all involved. A 'one design fits all'
+</I>&gt;<i> approach.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The colours, font, shape and proportions are not absolute and can be adjusted
+</I>&gt;<i> accordingly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia2.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>
+I prefer something more abstract and evocative of magic or a mage than
+a framed &quot;m&quot;. Don't really need an &quot;m&quot; or any other letter at all for
+the basic logo. Just my two cents.
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-09-28 22:07, Rory Albertyn pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not like the font you used. It makes is difficult to read the name
+</I>&gt;<i> (especially the 'e' letter) and since Mageia is a non-English word, we
+</I>&gt;<i> should make the name visible at the first glance, without any doubts.
+</I>
+It looks like Magpid at first glance. I don't think it really matters what
+language (if any) has Mageia as a word, nor indeed what language any reader
+of the word may have as a mother tongue. Clarity is always vital in a trade
+name's representation so I would suggest we stick with un-ornamented fonts or
+at most a fairly traditional serifed pattern like Roman.
+
+&gt;<i> Personally, I am (as are some other users) against using a decorated 'M'
+</I>&gt;<i> letter as our logo. We can develop something better, more unique.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes, we have too many Ms in the world; besides, Burger King might get
+jealous:-) On the other hand, a stylised M would fit well on a system
+desktop button, especially a Menu button.
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+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 28 september 2010 18:42:21 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Go on using gmail like you do; I've been using it with all the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva ML's for the past 1-2years (web mail via firefox, I didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use any email clients) and I didn't get any complaints of breaking
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> threads when I post/reply to the ML(s).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You see, when sending emails gmail does send the message headers and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> everything properly.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gmail differs in just how it *groups* the received emails in threads
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (called conversations in the gmail world). The example I gave, about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the bugs mailing list, is a good one, when the subject line changes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> gmail splits the thread (when you reply to an ML thread you're not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> changing the subject line); an email client would be more thorough and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> see that it's the same thread even though one word changed in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subject line (bugzilla adds the keyword to the subject line, e.g.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> NEEDINFO). But that's probably a corner case.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not to mention that if you're using gmail and you send an email to a mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> list, you never know if it was delivered or not, because the mail you send is
+</I>&gt;<i> the start of the conversation, you never get your own email. If you'd use IMAP
+</I>&gt;<i> on gmail accounts, you'd see it much clearer, because instead of
+</I>&gt;<i> conversations, your sent email is in a Sent folder. (which sometimes leads to
+</I>&gt;<i> double emails on the list)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can understand that webbased emails are the best solution for some people,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it doesn't have to be gmail; noone is even saying you can't for example
+</I>&gt;<i> install a squirrelmail or similar on your home-server. (it's an option)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Actually I always find the emails I send to any of the ML's, if I am
+the one who started a thread, under &quot;Sent Mail&quot; in Gmail.
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+management?
+
+Shawn
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+On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com</A>&gt;wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 28 September 2010 23:42:21 Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, if you are talking about rpmdrake, you should compare it to synaptic.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I you want to talk about apt (be it apt-get or aptitude), you should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; compare it to urpmi, and urpmi (in my opinion) is not slow.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed. Though I am not by any means a command line junkie I will always
+</I>&gt;<i> use
+</I>&gt;<i> uprmi when I know exactly what I want.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So it is synaptic/apt and rpmdrake/urpmi. No doubt yum has a GUI
+</I>&gt;<i> counterpart
+</I>&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; emerge and macports are source-based &quot;packet&quot; managers.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As the programs are compiled when you want to install them, you can
+</I>&gt;<i> decide
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to exclude some optional, compile-time functionality, and avoid their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dependencies.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In pre-compiled packets (like rpm or deb), the packager decided what
+</I>&gt;<i> should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be compiled, and so what are the required dependencies.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You still have the option to get the source package and tweak it (via the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; spec file for rpm, or rule for deb) to exclude some things you don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; require. (but you will need to do it again each time an update is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Right, I have done this with a custom ffmpeg build. Compile time dependency
+</I>&gt;<i> control is, of course, a grace and favour benefit provided by the program
+</I>&gt;<i> author. I get the impression that a packager can introduce depencies when
+</I>&gt;<i> special support is needed for extra features he may choose to include. This
+</I>&gt;<i> seems to be what happened with the 2010.1 issue of the foobillard rpm where
+</I>&gt;<i> a
+</I>&gt;<i> new dependency on Pulse has been created which does not exist in the 2010.0
+</I>&gt;<i> package or the author's source.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Packages have dependencies, those are interpreted as &quot;this package cannot
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; work without those&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can also have less strict recommendations, deb has provided for long
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; recommended packages (not really required, but a must have) and suggested
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packages (is an interesting addition, but nothing essential).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Rpm also provide such a mechanism (though I think is younger than deb)
+</I>&gt;<i> with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the suggested packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Urpmi take the suggested packages into account, when installing it will
+</I>&gt;<i> by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; default selected also the suggested packages, but you can add the --no-
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; suggests option to avoid this.
+</I>&gt;<i> Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which &quot;depend&quot; on Pulse and
+</I>&gt;<i> re-package them such that Pulse is only &quot;recommended&quot;? If so then I will
+</I>&gt;<i> have
+</I>&gt;<i> to find the way to set the --no-suggests option in rpmdrake. I hadn't even
+</I>&gt;<i> looked for it before as I have only recently started to discover problems
+</I>&gt;<i> in
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On the urpme side, if you uninstall a package that was installed as a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; suggestion, it won't trigger the uninstallation of the package that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; suggested it.
+</I>&gt;<i> Something similar seems to apply to packages which I inadvertently &quot;mark&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> as
+</I>&gt;<i> manually installed. urpme reports that such packages will be excluded from
+</I>&gt;<i> orphan detection. I love the --auto-orphans switch.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&quot;LibreOffice is the provisional name of a community-led fork of
+OpenOffice that is to be developed under the umbrella of a European
+based non-profit to be named The Document Foundation. This should
+break OpenOffice free from the shackles of Sun/Oracle, hopefully
+leading to a faster and more inclusive development cycle.&quot;
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+The press release:
+<A HREF="http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/tdf_release.html">http://www.documentfoundation.org/contact/tdf_release.html</A>
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+&gt;<i> Doesn't packagekit provide Gnome and KDE-native interfaces for package
+</I>&gt;<i> management?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Shawn
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+</I>I don't check the process of packagekit, but isn't the urpmi backend of
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+I've been using Mandrake and Mandriva for about 8 years, and I used to pay for it. I stopped paying because of the poor quality of Mandriva Store service.
+Now I have a small web creation business: Fiable.biz .
+<A HREF="http://Fiable.biz">http://Fiable.biz</A>
+We still use Mandriva 2009 spring in 2 computers, but shifted this year to Ubuntu for 2 others.
+
+My concern is: will Mageia meet the needs of small businesses?
+
+1) Small businesses are not very interested by the famous &quot;pro-choice&quot; policy of Mandriva. I would prefer a system that JUST WORKS rather than the choice between several buggy solutions (KDE/Gnome, Kmail/Thunderbird etc.). And I just don't think a small company or a small community can maintain so many different competitive solutions. Making choice requires a strong management, because any choice will make some users unhappy. But my experience is that any computer system, because of its legacy, becomes heavier and heavier, and is one day replaced by a simpler, completely new one, with no legacy. I've just given up Firefox for Chromium for that. The weakest is the management, the quickest the system become unmanageable.
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+2) Small businesses need a paid, affordable, reliable SUPPORT. Forums are helpful, but quite often one doesn't find the needed answer that way. The payment should of course be possible by MasterCard or Visa card.
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+3) Small businesses need an efficient way to FIND INFORMATION QUICKLY. Fragmented information systems like official web pages + mailing list + wiki + forums + bugzilla + support pages, some of these in different languages, make information very difficult to find. Although English is the mother tongue of nobody at Fiable.biz, I would prefer no mailing list, no forum, no support system, but an English wiki with discussion in the wiki's discussion pages, rather than in forums, an English bugzilla for bugs and enhancement wishes, and possibly wikis in other languages with systematic links to the corresponding English page.
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+4) Some small businesses, like Fiable.biz, would be very interested in MULTISEAT (several seats on one central unit), because it's cheaper than buying one computer per employee. Unfortunately, this is not provided in an easy way by any distribution, as far as I know. If you know a distribution provided this, please let me know.
+
+I suggest you make your plans a bit more precise and wish you good luck.
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+&gt;<i> Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which &quot;depend&quot; on Pulse
+</I>&gt;<i> and re-package them such that Pulse is only &quot;recommended&quot;?
+</I>
+Here (2010.1 x86_64) KDE does not have a dependency on pulse audio.
+Gnome has, because pulseaudio (actually the package is pulseaudio-esound-
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 29 September 2010, Henri de Solages wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Small businesses ... I would prefer a system that JUST WORKS ...
+</I>
+I second to the whole content of that email.
+The requirements of a SME may be down-to-earth, not fancy or technologically
+extreme (as in, no 3D effects, no &quot;smart&quot; workspaces etc.), but can be the
+guide for a solid distribution.
+And they will bring in some money, too. (necessary for a distro to survive)
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+have RPMDrake refreshing its lists in less than a minute on a Atom based
+machine.
+For me, RPMDrake is enough.
+What I disliked in time, using Mandriva only, is that when I install some
+app, I got a message saying &quot;if you want this app, you must uninstall these
+libs (and their using apps)&quot;. I mean, sometimes, I must chose one app or
+another, I can't have both because I can't have two versions of the same lib
+or I must chose a specific implementation of a concept in a lib (when there
+are many implementations of the same thing). This is what I would change,
+and it is not related to package management applications. I guess it is the
+OS or distro philosophy.
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+I love revolutions, major changes and drastic re-coding if needed only. Not
+when it is just a matter of fashion, like, let's say, I get a new car just
+because this year curvy designs come into the light. No matter if the
+quality is less sometimes.
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+So, IMHO, actual packaging is OK, the management of it could be improved
+maybe.
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+I would love to see, when install mplayer, for instance, a list of plugins
+available, to check some I need and to install them. But that's often
+related to the architecture of the main application.
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+Sometimes, having too much choices like in Linux world, is an issue for
+choosing the right tool. Why not polish some tools with clear usage targets
+together instead of creating again and again things with 60% of
+functionalities overlapping, longing for some other 20% of functionalities
+to implement in one tool from the other tool?
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+<PRE>2010/9/28 Thomas Lottmann &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">skiperdrake at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 28 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:02 +0200, nicolas vigier a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; to be fair, yum is already in the repository, so does smart.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Apt-rpm is unmaintained, but if someone does the job of taking care of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it, it could also be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And we also have poldek too, not sure about the status of this one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, for people who are not happy with the default, do not hesitate to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> test others packages managers and report issues ( for example, yum does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> requires specific indexes that we do not provides at mandriva, but we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could add them if required, i guess ).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you have just brought up Smart here, I did remember about it and though
+</I>&gt;<i> about this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some time ago, there was an employees from MandrakeSoft who was working on
+</I>&gt;<i> Smart and developping it just like RPMDrake has been developped up to now.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yet, back to the previous cost cutting plans the company already did, it was
+</I>&gt;<i> decided to only keep RPMDrake as main package manager and the employee
+</I>&gt;<i> working on Smart was fired, even though Smart was very popular at that time.
+</I>Michael has already corrected you on this, Mandriva most certainly
+didn't want to see Niemeyer leaving.. :/
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+&gt;<i> Now, the &quot;install package&quot;, &quot;remove package&quot; are basic features that all
+</I>&gt;<i> of them do. And I think that all packages managers are equal on that
+</I>&gt;<i> regard.
+</I>
+hmm. i know that some time ago (when smart was already in the making):
+- yum had a basic dependency solving algorithm, not taking some
+ things into account due to some lack of meta-information
+- urpmi was quite correct at dependency solving, albeit a bit hackish
+- smart was having real graph traversal algorithms, making it the
+ cleanest
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+urpmi's developer at the time)
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+now - yum is working good enough, and is still under development. urpmi
+is working more than well enough, and i'm waiting for it to be at fault
+given some properly packaged rpms. smart is... well, unmaintained.
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+j&#233;r&#244;me
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 00:25 +0200, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How compatible is rpm5 to build system and installers?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is it possible to begin the move gradually or must it be changed in one big
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> step?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Packages would not reqired change.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, it would requires change on tools.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, I think a big step is required, AFAIK.
+</I>Not really, I've been porting more or less most tools of the
+distribution to rpm5 already.
+rpm5 also carries with it the much cleaned up rewrite of Nanar's perl
+bindings with it upstream, where the rpm4 bindings are left pretty
+much unmaintained and not used by others, making it necessary to port
+them to rpm.org's new API for every new series (they're currently
+ported to and fully working with 4.6 only)...
+
+For demonstration of rpm5 on Mandriva, Unity Linux provides an
+excellent example of a distribution providing just this already. :)
+
+As you seem to lack a rpm maintainer, I'd suggest for you to welcome
+Jeff's interest:
+16:54:50 &lt; jbj&gt; Nanar: ping. how many distros do you mirror? btw, sign
+me up for the MDV fork, just poke w a URI to packages whenever ...
+
+(being actively involved with rpm5 upstream and already helping out
+maintaining it in Unity also, I'd be happy to provide you with any
+assistence needed if going with rpm5 as well. :)
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+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Jerome Quelin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jquelin at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 10/09/28 23:21 +0200, Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Now, the &quot;install package&quot;, &quot;remove package&quot; are basic features that all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of them do. And I think that all packages managers are equal on that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> regard.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hmm. i know that some time ago (when smart was already in the making):
+</I>&gt;<i> - yum had a basic dependency solving algorithm, not taking some
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;things into account due to some lack of meta-information
+</I>&gt;<i> - urpmi was quite correct at dependency solving, albeit a bit hackish
+</I>&gt;<i> - smart was having real graph traversal algorithms, making it the
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;cleanest
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (i don't have more information than that, it was what i heard from
+</I>&gt;<i> urpmi's developer at the time)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> now - yum is working good enough, and is still under development. urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> is working more than well enough, and i'm waiting for it to be at fault
+</I>&gt;<i> given some properly packaged rpms. smart is... well, unmaintained.
+</I>wrong, it's certainly not unmaintained and it's probably the most
+viable alternative in the long run wrt. maintenance. :)
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+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i> Michael has already corrected you on this, Mandriva most certainly
+</I>&gt;<i> didn't want to see Niemeyer leaving.. :/
+</I>
+This is at least debatable.
+When Mandriva acquired Conectiva it was said that smart will be
+supported and promoted on equal terms as urpmi/rpmdrake. That's what
+Ga&#235;l Duval wrote in an interview right after the acquisition when he
+still talked as representative of the company.
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+This turned out to be not the case. Smart was neglected by Mandriva
+documentation and promotion, All Mandriva was talking about was
+urpmi/rpmdrake - so Niemeyer left because he &quot;did not see any future
+with Mandriva and is looking for new challenges&quot; (as he was cited when
+he left).
+No, Mandriva did not fire him but IMHO and according to my
+informations they did everything to make him go.
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+Of course this does not help with the topic of this thread, just to
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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been using Mandrake and Mandriva for about 8 years, and I used to pay
+</I>&gt;<i> for it. I stopped paying because of the poor quality of Mandriva Store
+</I>&gt;<i> service. Now I have a small web creation business: Fiable.biz .
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://Fiable.biz">http://Fiable.biz</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> We still use Mandriva 2009 spring in 2 computers, but shifted this year to
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu for 2 others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My concern is: will Mageia meet the needs of small businesses?
+</I>
+i think it is too early to have already a specific business plan and
+development strategies. Now the mageia guys are working hard to make available
+the whole structure and basic web-service, then we can discuss about
+strategy,business model, etc...
+
+&gt;<i> 1) Small businesses are not very interested by the famous &quot;pro-choice&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> policy of Mandriva. I would prefer a system that JUST WORKS rather than
+</I>&gt;<i> the choice between several buggy solutions (KDE/Gnome, Kmail/Thunderbird
+</I>&gt;<i> etc.). And I just don't think a small company or a small community can
+</I>&gt;<i> maintain so many different competitive solutions. Making choice requires a
+</I>&gt;<i> strong management, because any choice will make some users unhappy. But my
+</I>&gt;<i> experience is that any computer system, because of its legacy, becomes
+</I>&gt;<i> heavier and heavier, and is one day replaced by a simpler, completely new
+</I>&gt;<i> one, with no legacy. I've just given up Firefox for Chromium for that. The
+</I>&gt;<i> weakest is the management, the quickest the system become unmanageable.
+</I>
+a distro community driven can't choose what their contributors must do,
+anyway thing like this: if the contributor (that uses E17) can't contribute to
+it, it won't contribute to KDE4, but probably he will simply change distro, so
+no manpower is wasted.
+
+&gt;<i> 2) Small businesses need a paid, affordable, reliable SUPPORT. Forums are
+</I>&gt;<i> helpful, but quite often one doesn't find the needed answer that way. The
+</I>&gt;<i> payment should of course be possible by MasterCard or Visa card.
+</I>
+sure. if we plan to sell specific payment versions of mageia, we need a support
+service (always available and efficient), we can't rely only on forums.
+
+&gt;<i> 3) Small businesses need an efficient way to FIND INFORMATION QUICKLY.
+</I>&gt;<i> Fragmented information systems like official web pages + mailing list +
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki + forums + bugzilla + support pages, some of these in different
+</I>&gt;<i> languages, make information very difficult to find. Although English is
+</I>&gt;<i> the mother tongue of nobody at Fiable.biz, I would prefer no mailing list,
+</I>&gt;<i> no forum, no support system, but an English wiki with discussion in the
+</I>&gt;<i> wiki's discussion pages, rather than in forums, an English bugzilla for
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs and enhancement wishes, and possibly wikis in other languages with
+</I>&gt;<i> systematic links to the corresponding English page.
+</I>
+i think the basic informations could all be found in the wiki (+web-site with
+description of the distro and informations to download), bugzilla, ML and
+others are for contributors
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) Some small businesses, like Fiable.biz, would be very interested in
+</I>&gt;<i> MULTISEAT (several seats on one central unit), because it's cheaper than
+</I>&gt;<i> buying one computer per employee. Unfortunately, this is not provided in
+</I>&gt;<i> an easy way by any distribution, as far as I know. If you know a
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution provided this, please let me know.
+</I>
+this could be an idea. keep it on mind : )
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+&gt;<i> I suggest you make your plans a bit more precise and wish you good luck.
+</I>
+these days we should have a manifesto, then we'll try to resolve all the
+others big and minor issues...
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+cheers,
+Marcello
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+i'm sorry for the subject of this e-mail but i would like it won't be ignored.
+i think we need soon an artwork-related mailing list as this general ML is
+being cluttered of proposals and e-mails not related at all with the aim of
+this ML. can someone take in charge this task (or advice who can make it)? i
+think also that we should make a poll to choose the logo and the pay-off.
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+<PRE> Le 29/09/2010 11:13, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm sorry for the subject of this e-mail but i would like it won't be ignored.
+</I>&gt;<i> i think we need soon an artwork-related mailing list as this general ML is
+</I>&gt;<i> being cluttered of proposals and e-mails not related at all with the aim of
+</I>&gt;<i> this ML. can someone take in charge this task (or advice who can make it)? i
+</I>&gt;<i> think also that we should make a poll to choose the logo and the pay-off.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1 We need an mailing list about design and graphics.
+
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+Matthieu
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 09:48 +0300, P. Christeas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 29 September 2010, Henri de Solages wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1) Small businesses ... I would prefer a system that JUST WORKS ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I second to the whole content of that email.
+</I>
+Well, nobody want a system that do not work.
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+&gt;<i> The requirements of a SME may be down-to-earth, not fancy or technologically
+</I>&gt;<i> extreme (as in, no 3D effects, no &quot;smart&quot; workspaces etc.), but can be the
+</I>&gt;<i> guide for a solid distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i> And they will bring in some money, too. (necessary for a distro to survive)
+</I>
+I doubt many SME will give money to a association, and my point of view
+is that it is better to devote time than give money, as money tend to
+change people mind ( &quot;i give money so do what I say&quot;, or the issue
+hilighted by Stormi Peters here
+<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzyaM7VWqOg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzyaM7VWqOg</A> )
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/2010 11:31, Matthieu P a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 29/09/2010 11:13, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i'm sorry for the subject of this e-mail but i would like it won't be ignored.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i think we need soon an artwork-related mailing list as this general ML is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> being cluttered of proposals and e-mails not related at all with the aim of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this ML. can someone take in charge this task (or advice who can make it)? i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> think also that we should make a poll to choose the logo and the pay-off.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 We need an mailing list about design and graphics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Matthieu
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+There is a flick group to upload the logo proposition :
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/</A>
+
+Regards
+
+Marianne
+
+--
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+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
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+</I>&gt;<i> At what point will it/is it forked? I mean like from which version of
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+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone knows?
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+<PRE>On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 20:53:05 -0700 (PDT)
+Henri de Solages &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mongolie2006-com at yahoo.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hello.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've been using Mandrake and Mandriva for about 8 years, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> used to pay for it. I stopped paying because of the poor quality
+</I>&gt;<i> of Mandriva Store service. Now I have a small web creation
+</I>&gt;<i> business: Fiable.biz . <A HREF="http://Fiable.biz">http://Fiable.biz</A> We still use Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> 2009 spring in 2 computers, but shifted this year to Ubuntu for 2
+</I>&gt;<i> others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My concern is: will Mageia meet the needs of small businesses?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Define 'small business'! I am a small business - very small, just
+me. In fact, I am two small businesses - freelance IT Consultant,
+and also a Sales Leader with Avon. In the USA, a 'small business'
+can have up to 750 employees, depending on which state it is based
+in and the type of business. A business with 750 employees will
+have very different needs from a one-person business.
+
+&gt;<i> 1) Small businesses are not very interested by the famous
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;pro-choice&quot; policy of Mandriva. I would prefer a system that
+</I>&gt;<i> JUST WORKS rather than the choice between several buggy solutions
+</I>&gt;<i> (KDE/Gnome, Kmail/Thunderbird etc.). And I just don't think a
+</I>&gt;<i> small company or a small community can maintain so many different
+</I>&gt;<i> competitive solutions. Making choice requires a strong
+</I>&gt;<i> management, because any choice will make some users unhappy. But
+</I>&gt;<i> my experience is that any computer system, because of its legacy,
+</I>&gt;<i> becomes heavier and heavier, and is one day replaced by a
+</I>&gt;<i> simpler, completely new one, with no legacy. I've just given up
+</I>&gt;<i> Firefox for Chromium for that. The weakest is the management, the
+</I>&gt;<i> quickest the system become unmanageable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Small businesses need a paid, affordable, reliable SUPPORT.
+</I>&gt;<i> Forums are helpful, but quite often one doesn't find the needed
+</I>&gt;<i> answer that way. The payment should of course be possible by
+</I>&gt;<i> MasterCard or Visa card.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) Small businesses need an efficient way to FIND INFORMATION
+</I>&gt;<i> QUICKLY. Fragmented information systems like official web pages +
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list + wiki + forums + bugzilla + support pages, some of
+</I>&gt;<i> these in different languages, make information very difficult to
+</I>&gt;<i> find. Although English is the mother tongue of nobody at
+</I>&gt;<i> Fiable.biz, I would prefer no mailing list, no forum, no support
+</I>&gt;<i> system, but an English wiki with discussion in the wiki's
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion pages, rather than in forums, an English bugzilla for
+</I>&gt;<i> bugs and enhancement wishes, and possibly wikis in other
+</I>&gt;<i> languages with systematic links to the corresponding English page.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) Some small businesses, like Fiable.biz, would be very
+</I>&gt;<i> interested in MULTISEAT (several seats on one central unit),
+</I>&gt;<i> because it's cheaper than buying one computer per employee.
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, this is not provided in an easy way by any
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution, as far as I know. If you know a distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> provided this, please let me know.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You are talking about the needs of your own small business.
+Other small businesses (from 1 to 750 staff) will have quite
+different needs. It is very unlikely that Mageia will satisfy
+the needs of ALL types of small business. It is also very
+unlikely that Mageia will suit the needs of all individuals,
+or of all LARGE businesses. However, if you participate in
+the project in some way, it is likely that you will be able to
+have some influence over the shaping of the distro to meet the
+needs of your own business - much more likely than if you were
+to volunteer for, say, Microsoft!
+
+
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+**Otford Ducks Computers**
+We teach, you learn...
+...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+&gt;<i> &#22312; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:46:34 +0800, Lirodon &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">superfox436 at gmail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Doesn't packagekit provide Gnome and KDE-native interfaces for package
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; management?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Shawn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't check the process of packagekit, but isn't the urpmi backend of
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> packagekit was immature? If so, then there's no big need of it if we are
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> going to stick with urpmi .
+</I>
+I have worked on it a little on it, to complete it, and the patches were
+accepted upstream. According to
+<A HREF="http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html">http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html</A> , the only important part we
+miss are :
+InstallFiles and WhatProvides , which may not be too hard to code.
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+&gt;<i> hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm sorry for the subject of this e-mail but i would like it won't be ignored.
+</I>&gt;<i> i think we need soon an artwork-related mailing list as this general ML is
+</I>&gt;<i> being cluttered of proposals and e-mails not related at all with the aim of
+</I>&gt;<i> this ML. can someone take in charge this task (or advice who can make it)? i
+</I>&gt;<i> think also that we should make a poll to choose the logo and the pay-off.
+</I>
+As I said in the past, we do not want to create a mailling list for
+every possible group on the wiki :
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+&gt;<i> I have worked on it a little on it, to complete it, and the patches were
+</I>&gt;<i> accepted upstream. According to
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html">http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html</A> , the only important part we
+</I>&gt;<i> miss are :
+</I>&gt;<i> InstallFiles and WhatProvides , which may not be too hard to code.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>But, do we need packagekit? I don't get it.
+
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+By the way, I think smart should win back some attention, since some
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+good function is missed in rpmdrake.
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+Maybe include it like the way canonical did(Two package management,
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 17:52 +0800, Kira a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &#22312; Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:44:37 +0800, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have worked on it a little on it, to complete it, and the patches were
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; accepted upstream. According to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html">http://www.packagekit.org/pk-matrix.html</A> , the only important part we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; miss are :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; InstallFiles and WhatProvides , which may not be too hard to code.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> But, do we need packagekit? I don't get it.
+</I>
+Packagekit integration in gnome ( like &quot;install gstreamer plugin when
+needed to play a file&quot; or &quot;install on demand file when i type the
+command&quot; ) is nice, and IMHO, would solve some issue we tried to solve
+with Suggests.
+
+&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way, I think smart should win back some attention, since some
+</I>&gt;<i> good function is missed in rpmdrake.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe include it like the way canonical did(Two package management,
+</I>&gt;<i> one for newbie and one for expert?)
+</I>
+Usability experts will tell you that it is bad. Because people are not
+able to fully judge what they need exactly solely based on the name, and
+they have 2 systems to learn instead of one before choosing.
+So having 2 graphical task for this will confuse newbie users, will
+expert, by nature, are perfectly able to customize their system to suit
+their needs.
+
+Canonical do this because that's a transition state, as the Software
+center is not fully finished. They plan to have it as full featured as
+synaptic for 10.10, according to
+<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Roadmap">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Roadmap</A> , and while it is not
+written, I assume they will then remove synaptic from default
+installation.
+
+As a side note, having 2 graphical softwares for the same task also
+requires twice the amount of test before release. And 2 differents
+codepaths would also mean twice more bugs ( since there is 2 time more
+code ). Nothing that can't be done of course, but maybe it is wiser to
+spend QA time elsewhere.
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+<PRE>P. Christeas wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 29 September 2010, Henri de Solages wrote:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) Small businesses ... I would prefer a system that JUST WORKS ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I second to the whole content of that email.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I think that's highly unlikely. No volunteer-driven Linux distro is
+going to produce the type of turnkey commodity system Henri describes.
+Volunteers are generally techies who value flexibility and choice; for a
+distro to serve all the needs of its contributors (and why else would
+they contribute ?), flexibility and choice are crucial.
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+What he describes is typically the product of after-market niche
+packagers producing things like netbooks. Real-world distributions are
+in the business of appealing to as many people as possible, and
+certainly not in the business of saving a small business owner the cost
+of hiring a sysadmin to customize the distro to his exact needs.
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+&gt;<i> I think that's highly unlikely. No volunteer-driven Linux distro is
+</I>&gt;<i> going to produce the type of turnkey commodity system Henri describes.
+</I>&gt;<i> Volunteers are generally techies who value flexibility and choice; for a
+</I>&gt;<i> distro to serve all the needs of its contributors (and why else would
+</I>&gt;<i> they contribute ?), flexibility and choice are crucial.
+</I>+100
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+I do think, there would be a lot of people, leaving Mageia if we should start
+only concentrating on one desktop and so on.
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+But: It's all OpenSource, everybody can take a Mageia release and create a
+product out of it, he can sell...
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-09-29
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think that's highly unlikely. &#160;No volunteer-driven Linux distro is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> going to produce the type of turnkey commodity system Henri describes.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Volunteers are generally techies who value flexibility and choice; for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro to serve all the needs of its contributors (and why else would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they contribute ?), flexibility and choice are crucial.
+</I>&gt;<i> +100
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do think, there would be a lot of people, leaving Mageia if we should start
+</I>&gt;<i> only concentrating on one desktop and so on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But: It's all OpenSource, everybody can take a Mageia release and create a
+</I>&gt;<i> product out of it, he can sell...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As with Mandriva Linux I expect community generated &quot;Editions&quot; being
+compiled anyway (like XFCe, LXDE, special editions for netbooks,
+tablets with touchscreens, etc.). So why not an edition for such Small
+Business, nothing to say against somebody creating a business around
+Mageia - as long as it is not the Mageia organisation itself.
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+ <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I do not like the font you used. It makes is difficult to read the name
+</I>&gt;<i> (especially the 'e' letter)
+</I>
+I agree about the &quot;e&quot;
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+Personally, I like more the mageia2.jpg logos.
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+But I have to say the orange you're using looks similar to Ubuntu's
+orange. In fact, the central logo in mageia2.jpg looks very similar to
+Ubuntu's logo, but with four points.
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+About the &quot;M&quot;, your logo looks like the Municipality of Rosario
+<A HREF="http://www.rosario.gov.ar/">http://www.rosario.gov.ar/</A>
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+But I love the general idea of keep it simple. If you make changes or
+new logos, please keep simplicity in mind. And you could try with more
+abstract designs or base in the ideas and feels that Mageia inspires
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+Cheers!
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+&gt;<i> Packagekit integration in gnome ( like &quot;install gstreamer plugin when
+</I>&gt;<i> needed to play a file&quot; or &quot;install on demand file when i type the
+</I>&gt;<i> command&quot; ) is nice, and IMHO, would solve some issue we tried to solve
+</I>&gt;<i> with Suggests.
+</I>
+It is often good, but:
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+When on slow download it is more appreciated if all possible dependencies
+would have ben installed with the requested program at original install time
+from DVD or fast internet @home/work instead of slow wireless/phone
+connection.
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+Especially think of the case where you have *no* internet connection and want
+to, say, play a video but can not because you do no thave that specfic codec.
+Or must because of work open an unusual file.
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+Could there be a (sticky) main control in the package manager (and installer)
+to select wether to install suggests immediately, or when needed.
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> When on slow download it is more appreciated if all possible dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i> would have ben installed with the requested program at original install
+</I>&gt;<i> time
+</I>&gt;<i> from DVD or fast internet @home/work instead of slow wireless/phone
+</I>&gt;<i> connection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree
+But the default behaviour provide different way to have the same result,
+finally.
+Only *updates* are downloaded if local repository is beeing used.
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 11:13 +0200, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> think also that we should make a poll to choose the logo and the pay-off.
+</I>
+Oh, and I forgot, before doing a poll, I think we need to select logo
+according to some criterias :
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+- suitability in black and white ( for printed papers ), in grey shade
+( again, printing related )
+
+- be sure there isn't too much color ( expensive for tshirt and so on )
+
+- have it in svg, for obvious reasons
+
+- have the creator ready to grant rights it to the foundation under a
+free license
+
+- see how trademark issue will be handled, this not decided yet, and
+that's quite a sensitive topic, as you need to be permissive and
+protective in the same time.
+
+- be sure the logo is not too similar to another one ( we really want to
+avoid the issue of Mandrakesoft ), but on the other hand, do not be too
+paranoid about it ( ie, most objects have been likely used at one time
+or another in some fields )
+
+- be original ( ie, while I have nothing against pingouin, I think that
+this doesn't help to be different )
+
+- be sure the logo scale correctly at small level ie the size of a
+favicon ( 32*32 )
+
+- be sure that it is colorblind friendly ( if possible, as we tend to
+forget people who suffer from this )
+
+- be sure it goes well with the manifesto ( that is not finished to be
+redacted as this is a important document )
+
+- must be readable at various scale, if there is text
+
+- use a free font if there is text ( a free to use font at least, but I
+think we really should favor free font )
+
+- be sure the logo will not be too obviously embarrassing later ( like
+<A HREF="http://forums.macgeneration.com/la-terrasse/tgv-escargot-117336.html">http://forums.macgeneration.com/la-terrasse/tgv-escargot-117336.html</A> the
+upper one being the logo for french fast rails, the 2nd one looking like
+a snail if we turn it on 180&#176; ), but that one can be quite hard to find.
+
+And I am sure that experienced designers may add some others
+requirements to this. There is a page about this
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A>
+
+And once everything is cleared, if there is some logos left, then we
+could proceed to a poll.
+
+But I think that a poll will open a lot of questions : who can express
+their opinion, what guarantees will we have it to not be hijacked ( as
+could doodle be ), how do we ensure a representative choice ?
+Ie, if we ask on people on this list, are we sure to have a logo that
+would please everyone else ? Do we want to ?
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Per &#216;yvind Karlsen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Michael has already corrected you on this, Mandriva most certainly
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; didn't want to see Niemeyer leaving.. :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is at least debatable.
+</I>&gt;<i> When Mandriva acquired Conectiva it was said that smart will be
+</I>&gt;<i> supported and promoted on equal terms as urpmi/rpmdrake. That's what
+</I>&gt;<i> Ga&#235;l Duval wrote in an interview right after the acquisition when he
+</I>&gt;<i> still talked as representative of the company.
+</I>
+Well, it was a example of the management thinking without knowing the
+reality of the real world, imho.
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+Ie, urpmi had to be maintained, since drakx required it ( or a full
+drakx rewrite had to be done ). Having both python and perl in the
+installer would have been a mess IMHO, and this was already done with
+msec. So keeping smart and urpmi at the same time is just twice the
+needed ressources in term of communication, in term of testing and so
+on.
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+The claim of integrating technologie is often seen when 2 companies
+merge, but it seems that upper management is not exactly aware on what
+&quot;integrating technologies&quot; mean.
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 10:24 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Per &#216;yvind Karlsen &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">peroyvind at mandriva.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Michael has already corrected you on this, Mandriva most certainly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; didn't want to see Niemeyer leaving.. :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is at least debatable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When Mandriva acquired Conectiva it was said that smart will be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> supported and promoted on equal terms as urpmi/rpmdrake. That's what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ga&#235;l Duval wrote in an interview right after the acquisition when he
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still talked as representative of the company.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, it was a example of the management thinking without knowing the
+</I>&gt;<i> reality of the real world, imho.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ie, urpmi had to be maintained, since drakx required it ( or a full
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx rewrite had to be done ). Having both python and perl in the
+</I>&gt;<i> installer would have been a mess IMHO, and this was already done with
+</I>&gt;<i> msec. So keeping smart and urpmi at the same time is just twice the
+</I>&gt;<i> needed ressources in term of communication, in term of testing and so
+</I>&gt;<i> on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The claim of integrating technologie is often seen when 2 companies
+</I>&gt;<i> merge, but it seems that upper management is not exactly aware on what
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;integrating technologies&quot; mean.
+</I>I guess smart just simply weren't mature enough yet either as a
+replacement for urpmi either must've played a big part in it as well..
+
+I'm eager to do more and have done quite a bit work on smart for this
+though (but not on GUI), really want it to behave much more like urpmi
+and get rid of it's fugly apt heritage and poor genes from it.. ;)
+
+I've already done a urpmisync plugin for using existing urpmi
+configuration, media etc. in place, with support for either reusing
+urpmi's mirror list and geolocation or updating such on it's own,
+perhaps a wrapper for smart to act as urpmi with same arguments and
+all could be a next step? This should be a relative easy task to do
+once implementing more of missing functionality and behaviour of
+urpmi. :)
+
+GUI isn't something I wouldn't like to touch with a ten foot pole though.. :p
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+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
+--
+Regards,
+Per &#216;yvind
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+&gt;<i>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 11:13 +0200, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hi all,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i'm sorry for the subject of this e-mail but i would like it won't be ignored.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i think we need soon an artwork-related mailing list
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+&gt;<i> As I said in the past, we do not want to create a mailling list for
+</I>&gt;<i> every possible group on the wiki :
+</I>
+For sure but I think a list for design, marketing, official communication and maybe web developer couldn't be wrong.
+I mean one list for those groups. Because they have to work close together and there is (or will be) an extra marketing team around Graham (afaik).
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+* Etiquette for mailing lists:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette</A>
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+* Code of conduct: <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Code_of_Conduct">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Code_of_Conduct</A>
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+And I said &quot;provisionally&quot; because I guess we'll have our own rules.
+But I don't think that courtesy and respect will be absent in our
+rules. In fact, I think &quot;our rules&quot; will be pretty much the same as
+the links I posted.
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+For those who don't know these documentos, please, take a few minutes
+and read them.
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+I'm sending this mail to mageia-dev / mageia-discuss / mageia-i18n
+lists. But as separate e-mails.
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+Cheers!
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+<PRE>If you run fast enough to <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.com">http://donate.mageia.com</A> you'll see something
+amusing...
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+...the last donator made a humoristic donation that raised the amount to
+show three times the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
+The Universe, and Everything :)
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+Fun enough to notice :)
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+Cheers,
+Ma&#226;t
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+<PRE>On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, [UTF-8] Ma&#195;&#162;t wrote:
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+&gt;<i> If you run fast enough to <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.com">http://donate.mageia.com</A> you'll see something
+</I>amusing...
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+mageia.org !!!
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de rom1dep
+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;&#160;: 29 septembre 2010 08:44
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
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+</I>&gt;<i> I find this one pretty cool, maybe the colors need to be reworked a
+</I>&gt;<i> little but this proposal is modern, attractive, nice work !
+</I>
+Hi rom1dep,
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+Wich one? You didn't provide the link. ;)
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Gustavo Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Founders of Mageia project are working hard in many &quot;fields&quot;. One of
+</I>&gt;<i> those fields is to write founding documents.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO that we could/should provisionally rely on these:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Etiquette for mailing lists:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Code of conduct: <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Code_of_Conduct">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Code_of_Conduct</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And I said &quot;provisionally&quot; because I guess we'll have our own rules.
+</I>&gt;<i> But I don't think that courtesy and respect will be absent in our
+</I>&gt;<i> rules. In fact, I think &quot;our rules&quot; will be pretty much the same as
+</I>&gt;<i> the links I posted.
+</I>
+Agreed, most mailing lists have the same set of rules because some
+principles have turned out to be essential everywhere, no matter what
+the ML is about.
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+&gt;<i> I'm sending this mail to mageia-dev / mageia-discuss / mageia-i18n
+</I>&gt;<i> lists. But as separate e-mails.
+</I>
+Hmm, I'm replying on mageia-discuss. Next one will reply on
+mageia-dev, another replies on mageia-i18n. IMHO not really efficient.
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/2010 15:36, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 15:34 +0200, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you run fast enough to <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.com">http://donate.mageia.com</A> you'll see something
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> amusing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> fast enough and with the crrect url of <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ooop's
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+s/mageia\.com/mageia.org/
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm replying on mageia-discuss. Next one will reply on
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia-dev, another replies on mageia-i18n. IMHO not really efficient.
+</I>
+I know. But I didn't want to make &quot;cross posting&quot; with a single mail.
+But, at the same time, I wanted to reach all people.
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+The idea of my e-mail isn't to have replies, but to let people know
+about this documents. Of course, I'm not saying &quot;DON'T REPLY!!!!!&quot;.
+Just feel that there's no need since it's just an &quot;informative&quot;
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+ <B>Dubeau, Patrick</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> And once everything is cleared, if there is some logos left, then we
+</I>&gt;<i> could proceed to a poll.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think that a poll will open a lot of questions : who can express
+</I>&gt;<i> their opinion, what guarantees will we have it to not be hijacked ( as
+</I>&gt;<i> could doodle be ), how do we ensure a representative choice ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Ie, if we ask on people on this list, are we sure to have a logo that
+</I>&gt;<i> would please everyone else ? Do we want to ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Michael Scherer
+</I>
+Is a poll really suitable in this case? I have the same feeling as you misc,
+I am not sure that the result will fit the perception/look and the image we
+want for this new distribution.
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+I think there should be a closed group of people deciding wich is the right
+logo for Mageia. The choice should be done by the Board members since tey
+will be elected and thus represent the whole community.
+
+My 2 cents on that.
+
+
+Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I think there should be a closed group of people deciding wich is the right
+</I>&gt;<i> logo for Mageia. The choice should be done by the Board members since tey
+</I>&gt;<i> will be elected and thus represent the whole community.
+</I>
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+That's why the board will exist. You just can't live the whole
+community decide everything with pols.
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+IMHO that the &quot;cooker&quot; replacement name should be chosen by the board
+too. But, of course, I fully respect the decision.
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+ <B>Erwien Samantha Y</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, [UTF-8] Ma&#226;t wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you run fast enough to <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.com">http://donate.mageia.com</A> you'll see something
+</I>&gt;<i> amusing...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org !!!
+</I>
+Maybe someone not fast enough,
+...
+Currently we have got: 4242,42 &#8364; ! Thanks all, your help is most welcome !
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+Details :
+Via transfer: 1485 &#8364;
+Via check: 75 &#8364;
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+ <B>Ma&#226;t</B>
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/2010 15:47, Erwien Samantha Y a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010, [UTF-8] Ma&#226;t wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> If you run fast enough to <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.com">http://donate.mageia.com</A> you'll see something
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> amusing...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia.org !!!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe someone not fast enough,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think you were fast enough
+
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+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29</A>
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+Cheers,
+Ma&#226;t
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 15:34:38, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> If you run fast enough to <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.com">http://donate.mageia.com</A> you'll see something
+</I>&gt;<i> amusing...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...the last donator made a humoristic donation that raised the amount to
+</I>&gt;<i> show three times the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
+</I>&gt;<i> The Universe, and Everything :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fun enough to notice :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Hope this will bring good luck to Mageia)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ok guys, we've got the screen capture, keep on donate !!
+
+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &gt; And once everything is cleared, if there is some logos left, then we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could proceed to a poll.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But I think that a poll will open a lot of questions : who can express
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their opinion, what guarantees will we have it to not be hijacked ( as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could doodle be ), how do we ensure a representative choice ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ie, if we ask on people on this list, are we sure to have a logo that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would please everyone else ? Do we want to ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Michael Scherer
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is a poll really suitable in this case? I have the same feeling as you
+</I>&gt;<i> misc, I am not sure that the result will fit the perception/look and the
+</I>&gt;<i> image we want for this new distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think there should be a closed group of people deciding wich is the right
+</I>&gt;<i> logo for Mageia. The choice should be done by the Board members since tey
+</I>&gt;<i> will be elected and thus represent the whole community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My 2 cents on that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
+</I>
+i agree with micheal and patrick, it is better a choice made by elected
+members in order to have a global vision of the project and avoid the issues
+you highlighted.
+
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+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer a &#233;crit:
+</I>&gt;<i> As I said in the past, we do not want to create a mailling list for
+</I>&gt;<i> every possible group on the wiki :
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) it complexifies administration
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) not everybody like to handle too much places where discussion happens
+</I>&gt;<i> ( ie, it can become a mess if we open 45 mailling lists )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) too much separation will kill productive cross-team conversation
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So a ml will maybe be created, but we first need to see how everything
+</I>&gt;<i> will be articulated, and if the team prefer a ml or not, and what they
+</I>&gt;<i> need after that.
+</I>
+in fact we need to find a right balance between specific tasks (and needs to
+coordinate) and avoid of fragmantation. i think artwork and promotion (instead
+of announce, in order to not leave an empty ML to be used only twice a year)
+ML could be created, if you're not agree, we can discuss it in a further time
+and now leave things as they're now (to not treat too many topics in the same
+time).
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+cheers,
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+</I>
+I agree. It's better to have less MLs. In any case, people can follow
+the thread they want/like and live the others.
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+We must manage it wisely and not reach a hell like this:
+<A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/.">https://lists.ubuntu.com/.</A> For many reasons: server space / power,
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 15:34:38, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you run fast enough to <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.com">http://donate.mageia.com</A> you'll see something
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; amusing...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ...the last donator made a humoristic donation that raised the amount to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; show three times the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The Universe, and Everything :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Fun enough to notice :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (Hope this will bring good luck to Mageia)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok guys, we've got the screen capture, keep on donate !!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+I'm sure we can reach another noticeable amount !
+Go Go Go !!
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+Elodie / DjeZAeL
+Utilisatrice de GNU/Linux et de Logiciels Libres
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+</I>
+Maybe we can take next screenshot in a month... when we reach 1
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 15:12 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 11:13 +0200, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i'm sorry for the subject of this e-mail but i would like it won't be ignored.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i think we need soon an artwork-related mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As I said in the past, we do not want to create a mailling list for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; every possible group on the wiki :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For sure but I think a list for design, marketing, official communication and maybe web developer couldn't be wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean one list for those groups. Because they have to work close together and there is (or will be) an extra marketing team around Graham (afaik).
+</I>
+Yup, I would agree, as I said in the past.
+
+But your example of web team is one example of the issue we have :
+
+We can say &quot;web team goes with design/comm&quot; or &quot;web team goes with
+sysadmin&quot;, depending on the duty of web team.
+
+Ie web team itself is not well defined. Does this mean people who take
+care of web application, in this case which one ? Does it mean their are
+in charge of website design, in which case this is partially the duty of
+design ?
+Who is in charge of upgrade and security of the server, the sysadmin ?
+And this has implication in access we need to give.
+
+The same goes for marketing vs communication vs design. While there is
+clear area for them, there is lots of similarity ( except that I am
+quite a novice in such domain, so I cannot give example ).
+
+So a simple thing like &quot;how do we name the team&quot;, and &quot;how do we ensure
+that people in a team are correctly represented&quot; can be tricky.
+
+We need to discuss this, but it is more urgent for the moment to setup
+the infrastructure. Maybe we could have started by this and then
+announce the project, but this would not have been open enough nor
+viable, since we received hosting proposal mainly because it was
+announced and open.
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+&gt;<i> Oh, and I forgot, before doing a poll, I think we need to select logo
+</I>&gt;<i> according to some criterias :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>
+Could you review and complete
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A> with those you added? I'll
+have some to insert as well.
+
+&gt;<i> - see how trademark issue will be handled, this not decided yet, and
+</I>&gt;<i> that's quite a sensitive topic, as you need to be permissive and
+</I>&gt;<i> protective in the same time.
+</I>
+Rights on artwork will have to be transmitted to the association,
+which will register the logo as a trademark. Precisely because that's
+a sensitive thing indeed.
+
+&gt;<i> And I am sure that experienced designers may add some others
+</I>&gt;<i> requirements to this. There is a page about this
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And once everything is cleared, if there is some logos left, then we
+</I>&gt;<i> could proceed to a poll.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think that a poll will open a lot of questions : who can express
+</I>&gt;<i> their opinion, what guarantees will we have it to not be hijacked ( as
+</I>&gt;<i> could doodle be ), how do we ensure a representative choice ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Ie, if we ask on people on this list, are we sure to have a logo that
+</I>&gt;<i> would please everyone else ? Do we want to ?
+</I>
+Obviously a poll can be indicative, but decision in last resort will
+be somewhere between the founding board and the community
+council/board (more to come about this, very soon). Because a logo is
+not only a like/don't like thing and it should fit the destination of
+the project in the long term.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; in fact we need to find a right balance between specific tasks (and needs to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; coordinate) and avoid of fragmantation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree. It's better to have less MLs. In any case, people can follow
+</I>&gt;<i> the thread they want/like and live the others.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We must manage it wisely and not reach a hell like this:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://lists.ubuntu.com/.">https://lists.ubuntu.com/.</A> For many reasons: server space / power,
+</I>&gt;<i> bandwidth, order, avoid fragmentation, (common sense? XDDDD)
+</I>
+Well, too much ml may be unavoidable.
+See <A HREF="https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo">https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo</A> , or
+<A HREF="http://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html">http://lists.debian.org/completeindex.html</A>
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+My own theory is that the structure will emerge by itself. We need some
+criteria to create mailing list, as well as criteria to shut them down.
+
+Debian has this document
+<A HREF="http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list">http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/HOWTO_start_list</A> , I guess we will
+need to take a look later once the question will arise.
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 15:12 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; As I said in the past, we do not want to create a mailling list for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; every possible group on the wiki :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For sure but I think a list for design, marketing, official communication
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and maybe web developer couldn't be wrong.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I mean one list for those groups. Because they have to work close
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> together and there is (or will be) an extra marketing team around Graham
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (afaik).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yup, I would agree, as I said in the past.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But your example of web team is one example of the issue we have :
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same goes for marketing vs communication vs design. While there is
+</I>&gt;<i> clear area for them, there is lots of similarity ( except that I am
+</I>&gt;<i> quite a novice in such domain, so I cannot give example ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So a simple thing like &quot;how do we name the team&quot;, and &quot;how do we ensure
+</I>&gt;<i> that people in a team are correctly represented&quot; can be tricky.
+</I>
+Indeed. Moreover, we will need to make &quot;apparently of somehow
+diverging interest&quot; teams work together, by pair, on several runs.
+This will help all teams to get to know each other and work better
+together. An example some Mozilla people suggested me is: making the
+marketing and developers teams collaborate to recruit/improve their
+beta-testers population (it benefits developers team and it requires
+marketing insights for that). You can imagine a lot of cooperation
+tasks like this.
+
+There, it would help to have more atomic mailing-lists (per specialty)
+but some other tool, empowering more cross-teams collaborations or
+ad-hoc teams setups (mailing-list may not be the right solution here,
+not sure what at this time).
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> I'm sure we can reach another noticeable amount !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we can take next screenshot in a month... when we reach 1
+</I>&gt;<i> million? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD (thinking positive!!!!)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Spread the news to any social web (twitter, facebook, linkedin, ect)
+Maybe some angel investor or millionaire just interesting to donate. :Hehehehe
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+regards,
+Erwien.
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+&gt;<i> Den 2010-09-29 12:07:50 skrev Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Packagekit integration in gnome ( like &quot;install gstreamer plugin when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> needed to play a file&quot; or &quot;install on demand file when i type the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> command&quot; ) is nice, and IMHO, would solve some issue we tried to solve
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with Suggests.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is often good, but:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When on slow download it is more appreciated if all possible dependencies
+</I>&gt;<i> would have ben installed with the requested program at original install time
+</I>&gt;<i> from DVD or fast internet @home/work instead of slow wireless/phone
+</I>&gt;<i> connection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially think of the case where you have *no* internet connection and want
+</I>&gt;<i> to, say, play a video but can not because you do no thave that specfic codec.
+</I>&gt;<i> Or must because of work open an unusual file.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+DVD disc sizes will always be a limiting factor, i.e. you can't fit
+the whole main repo on one single DVD; and multiple DVD's means more
+initial download size when (e.g. 2x4GB ISO's or more). Also note that
+if you're installing e.g. KDE4, then all the GNOME packages on those
+iso's are useless to you.
+
+Of course you can easily set up the online resources during the
+installation process, this way you'll get all the suggested packages
+at install time.
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+&gt;<i> Ideas:
+</I>&gt;<i> Could there be a (sticky) main control in the package manager (and installer)
+</I>&gt;<i> to select wether to install suggests immediately, or when needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Both the package manager and the installer default to installing
+suggested packages, unless explicitly disabled; you can do this by
+editing /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg (see 'main urpmi.cfg'). I don't know how
+to disable installing suggests in the installer though, but you can
+always do a minimal install.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (And preferrably also a method to later install all suggests in all already
+</I>&gt;<i> installed packages)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This was discussed before, so the idea is there, but not implemented.. yet. :)
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Hmm, I'm replying on mageia-discuss. Next one will reply on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mageia-dev, another replies on mageia-i18n. IMHO not really efficient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know. But I didn't want to make &quot;cross posting&quot; with a single mail.
+</I>&gt;<i> But, at the same time, I wanted to reach all people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea of my e-mail isn't to have replies, but to let people know
+</I>&gt;<i> about this documents. Of course, I'm not saying &quot;DON'T REPLY!!!!!&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Just feel that there's no need since it's just an &quot;informative&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> e-mail.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, you could have just sent one email to all the ML's (think of
+those who are subscribed to all those ML's, they'll get the same email
+three times :)).
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+<PRE>My take on this is that I would much rather download a large ISO because
+I often end up installing on multiple machines and it makes it much
+nicer and easier if there are a large number of packages at install time.
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+One thing that puts me off trying Fedora is that they're all CD ISOs and
+I love that Mandriva does such a complete install with its DVD ISO.
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+If you want the smaller download with Mandriva you can download One.
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+On 29/09/10 17:16, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> DVD disc sizes will always be a limiting factor, i.e. you can't fit
+</I>&gt;<i> the whole main repo on one single DVD; and multiple DVD's means more
+</I>&gt;<i> initial download size when (e.g. 2x4GB ISO's or more). Also note that
+</I>&gt;<i> if you're installing e.g. KDE4, then all the GNOME packages on those
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Well, you could have just sent one email to all the ML's (think of
+</I>&gt;<i> those who are subscribed to all those ML's, they'll get the same email
+</I>&gt;<i> three times :)).
+</I>
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Well, you could have just sent one email to all the ML's (think of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those who are subscribed to all those ML's, they'll get the same email
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> three times :)).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette#Cross_Posting">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette#Cross_Posting</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+hmm, that looks like an outdated detail in that page; because with
+each Mandriva release Anne used to send an email to cooker,
+maintainers, translation mailing lists all in one email, not separate
+ones and it worked.
+
+Also in Mandriva Sympa is used, however in Mageia Mailman is used,
+different beasts == different habbits :)
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+<PRE>On 29 September 2010 19:28, Robert Wood &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">robert.wood at apostrophe.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> My take on this is that I would much rather download a large ISO because I
+</I>&gt;<i> often end up installing on multiple machines and it makes it much nicer and
+</I>&gt;<i> easier if there are a large number of packages at install time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Biggest iso size = ~4.3GB; I don't think they should opt for
+double-layer DVD's just yet, wouldn't you say? not everyone has a DL
+DVD drive...
+
+&gt;<i> One thing that puts me off trying Fedora is that they're all CD ISOs and I
+</I>&gt;<i> love that Mandriva does such a complete install with its DVD ISO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+FWIW Fedora has a DVD
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#formats">http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#formats</A> (one for 32bit
+and one for 64bit).
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+P.S. Please don't top-post when sending emails to mailing lists:
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+
+&gt;<i> If you want the smaller download with Mandriva you can download One.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 29/09/10 17:16, Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DVD disc sizes will always be a limiting factor, i.e. you can't fit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the whole main repo on one single DVD; and multiple DVD's means more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> initial download size when (e.g. 2x4GB ISO's or more). Also note that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if you're installing e.g. KDE4, then all the GNOME packages on those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> iso's are useless to you.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+<PRE>On mercredi 29 septembre 2010 at 09:55, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote :
+&gt;<i> Not really, I've been porting more or less most tools of the
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution to rpm5 already.
+</I>
+Is rpm5 compatible with rpm4?
+What I mean is, with a distribution based on rpm5, will packages created
+with rpm4 (likely from the latest current version) be installable without
+problem (provided the dependencies are met)?
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+As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
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+For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
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+If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread
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+ <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>IMHO, there's nothing to decide about DEB vs RPM. RPM worked fine
+since the beginning (I think). So, if it's not broken, why to fix it?
+
+I think, maybe developers should take in consideration to user
+DeltaRPM in Mageia someday. I'm saying this because I remember that
+there is at Mandriva's bugzilla a request for using DeltaRPM.
+
+If someone named DeltaRPM before, I'm sorry. I missed that e-mail :(
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+There's also a chance that I'm writing nonsense XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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+</I>&gt;<i> Ok guys, we've got the screen capture, keep on donate !!
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+Any URL for the screen capture ? :)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Biggest iso size = ~4.3GB; I don't think they should opt for
+</I>&gt;<i> double-layer DVD's just yet, wouldn't you say? not everyone has a DL
+</I>&gt;<i> DVD drive...
+</I>
+Aye, I wasn't suggesting double layer, just saying that DVD installs are
+way better than CD for my money. :~)
+
+&gt;<i> FWIW Fedora has a DVD
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#formats">http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#formats</A> (one for 32bit
+</I>&gt;<i> and one for 64bit).
+</I>
+Nice one, thanks! I think I'll give that a go.
+
+&gt;<i> P.S. Please don't top-post when sending emails to mailing lists:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_%28Rules%29#Bottom_Post">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_%28Rules%29#Bottom_Post</A>
+</I>
+OK. Point taken.
+
+Mind you, I think that &quot;it's much easier to read thing&quot; is very much
+matter of taste. I don't think at all that it's a hard and fast rule.
+Sometimes it's easier, sometimes (usually) top posting is better [from
+my perspective].
+</PRE>
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+<PRE> On 09/29/2010 01:05 PM, Damien Lallement wrote:
+&gt;<i> For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>&gt;<i> default).
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this
+</I>&gt;<i> thread to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you
+</I>&gt;<i> will be in charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.
+I can also help out with the EN version :)
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+&gt;<i> IMHO, there's nothing to decide about DEB vs RPM. RPM worked fine
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+</I>&gt;<i> Other than that I would imagine going to deb would be a massive job?
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+<PRE>As part of the MDKTrans team (Spanish translations), I want to say
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+Diego Bello is the &quot;boss&quot; in MDKTrans, but the whole team is ready.
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+ <B>Domingos Teruel</B>
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+<PRE>I can help replicating and summarizing in Portuguese and spanish.
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+How can i join the team?
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+On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Ireneusz Gierlach &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">irek.gierlach at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> On 09/29/2010 01:05 PM, Damien Lallement wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>default).
+&gt;&gt;<i> If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread
+</I>to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be in
+charge of it!
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can also help out with the EN version :)
+</I>
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+ <I>Wed Sep 29 19:23:29 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Domingos Teruel &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mingomax at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I can help replicating and summarizing in Portuguese and spanish.
+</I>&gt;<i> How can i join the team?
+</I>
+For Spanish translation, I invite you to join MDKTrans team in www.blogdrake.net
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+Blogdrake is the Spanish speaking Community for Mandriva users. And
+no, for &quot;future&quot; mageia user too XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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+Cheers!
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+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+&gt;<i> Any URL for the screen capture ? :)
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/2010 19:19, Domingos Teruel a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">irek.gierlach at gmail.com</A> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">irek.gierlach at gmail.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On 09/29/2010 01:05 PM, Damien Lallement wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> by default).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this
+</I>&gt;<i> thread to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you
+</I>&gt;<i> will be in charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can also help out with the EN version :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> &gt; I can help replicating and summarizing in Portuguese and spanish.
+ &gt;
+ &gt; How can i join the team?
+
+Great, first, please just answer on this thread, I will see tomorrow to
+contact people depending on the number of people involved.
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+Thanks all for your help.
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+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
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+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team
+</I>&gt;<i> and the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> remarks in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the
+</I>&gt;<i> process to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>
+Maybe you could also publish this announce on the blog ?
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+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-09-29
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any URL for the screen capture ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/forum/download/file.php?id=717">http://www.mandrivauser.de/forum/download/file.php?id=717</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I guess this'll only work for registered users on mandrivauser.de:
+&quot;Du hast keine Berechtigung, diesen Dateianhang herunterzuladen.&quot;
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/2010 19:30, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> nicolas vigier&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-09-29
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Any URL for the screen capture ? :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/forum/download/file.php?id=717">http://www.mandrivauser.de/forum/download/file.php?id=717</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It seems we need to be register (or other reason) to see the page.
+
+Here is a capture available for all :
+<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-DonationMageia424242.png">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-DonationMageia424242.png</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> I guess this'll only work for registered users on mandrivauser.de:
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Du hast keine Berechtigung, diesen Dateianhang herunterzuladen.&quot;
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+Yes.sorry for that. I should have published it on our news portal -
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+&gt;<i> It seems we need to be register (or other reason) to see the page.
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+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/2010 19:05, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>
+I will be happy to translate in french and do basic moderation (remove
+spam comments)
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+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/2010 19:29, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 19:05 +0200, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> remarks in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> process to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you could also publish this announce on the blog ?
+</I>
+Yes, I will copy this message on a blog entry in a few minutes.
+Thanks for the reminder misc.
+--
+Damien Lallement
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/2010 19:05, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>
+I will happy to help you in moderation :)
+--
+Sandro Cazzaniga
+Bashburn hacker (<A HREF="http://bashburn.dose.se/">http://bashburn.dose.se/</A>)
+Mageia Contributor (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/fr/">http://www.mageia.org/fr/</A>)
+Serial Blogger (<A HREF="http://twitter.com/Kharec">http://twitter.com/Kharec</A>)
+Developer (Perl, Bash, C)
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 19:05:17, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team
+</I>&gt;<i> and the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> remarks in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the
+</I>&gt;<i> process to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>&gt;<i> default).
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be
+</I>&gt;<i> in charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+if help needed for French, i am here :)
+
+--
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+I can be responsible for the blog in pt-br.
+
+Hugs,
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+2010/9/29 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 19:05:17, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; remarks in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; process to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; default).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> if help needed for French, i am here :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>&gt;<i> Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> twitter : obagoom
+</I>&gt;<i> identi.ca : goom
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 29 September 2010 07:23:28 Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+&gt;<i> On mercredi 29 septembre 2010 at 01:47, Richard wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which &quot;depend&quot; on Pulse
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and re-package them such that Pulse is only &quot;recommended&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here (2010.1 x86_64) KDE does not have a dependency on pulse audio.
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome has, because pulseaudio (actually the package is pulseaudio-esound-
+</I>&gt;<i> compat) provides esound, which is required by gnome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry I was so careless in my comment. I was working from memory and those
+memories are heavily dosed with frustration and annoyance. What I should have
+done is give a concrete example. When I select lib64pulseaudio0 for removal,
+rpmdrake lists 526 dependencies (direct and, presumably, indirect) which must
+also be removed.
+
+Only 39 of these have the string &quot;kde&quot; in the package name, but some of these
+are quite central to the operation of KDE;
+
+kdepasswd-4.4.3
+kdenetwork4-core-4.4.3
+kdemultimedia4-core-4.4.3
+kdegraphics4-core-4.4.3
+kdegames4-core-4.4.3
+kdeutils4-core-4.4.3
+kdelibs4-core-4.4.3
+
+...for example.
+
+Many many more are kde applications. This is 2010.1 x86_64
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, you can simply disable pulseaudio from the control center, so it is
+</I>&gt;<i> not a problem to have the package still lying around.
+</I>
+That is, of course, the first thing I do when installing new systems. I don't
+think that I can agree that it is not a problem for me to have all of this
+Pulse stuff lying around. I find it quite tricky enough to get all required
+applications working as I want them without having to worry about whether
+something somewhere thinks it can still use Pulse because the support files
+are still present.
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+Worse still are the applications which presume Pulse must be present and are
+configured with that incorrect default assumption, but that's another gripe
+for another place.
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+<PRE>On 29 September 2010 20:14, Robert Wood &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">robert.wood at apostrophe.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Biggest iso size = ~4.3GB; I don't think they should opt for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> double-layer DVD's just yet, wouldn't you say? not everyone has a DL
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> DVD drive...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Aye, I wasn't suggesting double layer, just saying that DVD installs are way
+</I>&gt;<i> better than CD for my money. :~)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Me too, I've always used the Free DVD.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> FWIW Fedora has a DVD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#formats">http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#formats</A> (one for 32bit
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and one for 64bit).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice one, thanks! I think I'll give that a go.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> P.S. Please don't top-post when sending emails to mailing lists:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_%28Rules%29#Bottom_Post">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_%28Rules%29#Bottom_Post</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK. Point taken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mind you, I think that &quot;it's much easier to read thing&quot; is very much matter
+</I>&gt;<i> of taste. I don't think at all that it's a hard and fast rule. Sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> it's easier, sometimes (usually) top posting is better [from my
+</I>&gt;<i> perspective].
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, it's just a convention that bottom-posting is preferred in
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+<PRE>Op woensdag 29 september 2010 15:34:38 schreef Ma&#226;t:
+&gt;<i> If you run fast enough to <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.com">http://donate.mageia.com</A> you'll see something
+</I>&gt;<i> amusing...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...the last donator made a humoristic donation that raised the amount to
+</I>&gt;<i> show three times the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
+</I>&gt;<i> The Universe, and Everything :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fun enough to notice :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (Hope this will bring good luck to Mageia)
+</I>
+I approve bigtime!
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; Aye, I wasn't suggesting double layer, just saying that DVD installs are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; way better than CD for my money. :~)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Me too, I've always used the Free DVD.
+</I>Why not reduce the number of install media and build a ONE DVD ?
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+&gt;<i> On 28 September 2010 23:16, Maarten Vanraes &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maarten.vanraes at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Op dinsdag 28 september 2010 18:42:21 schreef Ahmad Samir:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Go on using gmail like you do; I've been using it with all the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mandriva ML's for the past 1-2years (web mail via firefox, I didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; use any email clients) and I didn't get any complaints of breaking
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; threads when I post/reply to the ML(s).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You see, when sending emails gmail does send the message headers and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; everything properly.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Gmail differs in just how it *groups* the received emails in threads
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (called conversations in the gmail world). The example I gave, about
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the bugs mailing list, is a good one, when the subject line changes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; gmail splits the thread (when you reply to an ML thread you're not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; changing the subject line); an email client would be more thorough and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; see that it's the same thread even though one word changed in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; subject line (bugzilla adds the keyword to the subject line, e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; NEEDINFO). But that's probably a corner case.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Not to mention that if you're using gmail and you send an email to a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mailing list, you never know if it was delivered or not, because the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mail you send is the start of the conversation, you never get your own
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; email. If you'd use IMAP on gmail accounts, you'd see it much clearer,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because instead of conversations, your sent email is in a Sent folder.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (which sometimes leads to double emails on the list)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I can understand that webbased emails are the best solution for some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people, but it doesn't have to be gmail; noone is even saying you can't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for example install a squirrelmail or similar on your home-server. (it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; an option)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually I always find the emails I send to any of the ML's, if I am
+</I>&gt;<i> the one who started a thread, under &quot;Sent Mail&quot; in Gmail.
+</I>
+Well, yes, but you didn't find the instance that passed through the mailing
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+<PRE>On 29 September 2010 21:06, Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 29 September 2010 07:23:28 Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On mercredi 29 septembre 2010 at 01:47, Richard wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Does this mean that I can find the KDE packages which &quot;depend&quot; on Pulse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; and &#160;re-package them such that Pulse is only &quot;recommended&quot;?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here (2010.1 x86_64) KDE does not have a dependency on pulse audio.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gnome has, because pulseaudio (actually the package is pulseaudio-esound-
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> compat) provides esound, which is required by gnome.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry I was so careless in my comment. I was working from memory and those
+</I>&gt;<i> memories are heavily dosed with frustration and annoyance. What I should have
+</I>&gt;<i> done is give a concrete example. When I select lib64pulseaudio0 for removal,
+</I>&gt;<i> rpmdrake lists 526 dependencies (direct and, presumably, indirect) which must
+</I>&gt;<i> also be removed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only 39 of these have the string &quot;kde&quot; in the package name, but some of these
+</I>&gt;<i> are quite central to the operation of KDE;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> kdepasswd-4.4.3
+</I>&gt;<i> kdenetwork4-core-4.4.3
+</I>&gt;<i> kdemultimedia4-core-4.4.3
+</I>&gt;<i> kdegraphics4-core-4.4.3
+</I>&gt;<i> kdegames4-core-4.4.3
+</I>&gt;<i> kdeutils4-core-4.4.3
+</I>&gt;<i> kdelibs4-core-4.4.3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...for example.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Many many more are kde applications. This is 2010.1 x86_64
+</I>
+Yes, it's a bit on an indirect dependency phonon requires libpulse.so:
+$ urpmf --requires lib64phonon4 | grep pulse
+lib64phonon4:libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0()(64bit)
+lib64phonon4:libpulse.so.0()(64bit)
+
+and of course removing phonon would remove many more kde4 packages.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, you can simply disable pulseaudio from the control center, so it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not a problem to have the package still lying around.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is, of course, the first thing I do when installing new systems. I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> think that I can agree that it is not a problem for me to have all of this
+</I>&gt;<i> Pulse stuff lying around. I find it quite tricky enough to get all required
+</I>&gt;<i> applications working as I want them without having to worry about whether
+</I>&gt;<i> something somewhere thinks it can still use Pulse because the support files
+</I>&gt;<i> are still present.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Don't worry, disabling pulse really disables it, the relevant config
+files are edited properly... etc
+
+You see the problem here, for phonon to have pulse support it must be
+built against it, so you can't remove libpulse.so. (that same for e.g.
+mplayer, to have pulse support it must be built against pulse, but
+disabling pulse and/or selecting another audio output driver will make
+it not use pulse).
+
+As misc said a couple of days ago, this is always the case when having
+support for a feature must be done at package compilation time, this
+adds a hard requires on some other packages, in this case pulse. i.e.
+you can't have phonon (or mplayer) use pulse otherwise.
+
+&gt;<i> Worse still are the applications which presume Pulse must be present and are
+</I>&gt;<i> configured with that incorrect default assumption, but that's another gripe
+</I>&gt;<i> for another place.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Which apps? if you rpm -e --nodeps a lib package, it's logical that an
+binary that has a dep on that package will not work as it'll won't
+find it at startup, even if it's not going to really use it (mplayer
+example applies here too).
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+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On 29 September 2010 21:36, JPB &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">jpierre.benoit at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Aye, I wasn't suggesting double layer, just saying that DVD installs are
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; way better than CD for my money. :~)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Me too, I've always used the Free DVD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not reduce the number of install media and build a ONE DVD ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> JPB
+</I>
+How much RAM would a Live DVD need to run smoothly? note that
+everything is run in the RAM with live discs.
+
+Also, the One CD's are mostly considered as a way to give a distro a
+test drive, it's a bonus that we can install it...
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I guess this'll only work for registered users on mandrivauser.de:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Du hast keine Berechtigung, diesen Dateianhang herunterzuladen.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes.sorry for that. I should have published it on our news portal -
+</I>&gt;<i> will remember this when we will pass 1 million Euros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+\o/
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 16:42, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 15:12 +0200, Thorsten van Lil a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; As I said in the past, we do not want to create a mailling list for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; every possible group on the wiki :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; For sure but I think a list for design, marketing, official
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; communication and maybe web developer couldn't be wrong.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I mean one list for those groups. Because they have to work close
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; together and there is (or will be) an extra marketing team around Graham
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; (afaik).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yup, I would agree, as I said in the past.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But your example of web team is one example of the issue we have :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The same goes for marketing vs communication vs design. While there is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; clear area for them, there is lots of similarity ( except that I am
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; quite a novice in such domain, so I cannot give example ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So a simple thing like &quot;how do we name the team&quot;, and &quot;how do we ensure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that people in a team are correctly represented&quot; can be tricky.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed. Moreover, we will need to make &quot;apparently of somehow
+</I>&gt;<i> diverging interest&quot; teams work together, by pair, on several runs.
+</I>&gt;<i> This will help all teams to get to know each other and work better
+</I>&gt;<i> together. An example some Mozilla people suggested me is: making the
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing and developers teams collaborate to recruit/improve their
+</I>&gt;<i> beta-testers population (it benefits developers team and it requires
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing insights for that). You can imagine a lot of cooperation
+</I>&gt;<i> tasks like this.
+</I>
+Indeed, an excellent idea, however marketing and developers should work
+alongside on many more levels than just that: Vision, User Experience, Art,
+packaging, design and so on.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There, it would help to have more atomic mailing-lists (per specialty)
+</I>&gt;<i> but some other tool, empowering more cross-teams collaborations or
+</I>&gt;<i> ad-hoc teams setups (mailing-list may not be the right solution here,
+</I>&gt;<i> not sure what at this time).
+</I>
+At this time mailing lists are the simplest. Mailing lists should be task
+oriented and people belong to those that they need to, to facilitate specific
+tasks. Marketing people should belong to: Art, Dev, User Experience and
+marketing. The management of peoples ML interaction should not be up to the
+server, but be managed by the individual on their personal machines. How they
+do that is up to them, but MLs give the user multiple management options.
+Either through an ordinary pop account,Gmail, gmane etc. Multiple task
+oriented mail lists give people many more options.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010, Ahmad Samir a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; Why not reduce the number of install media and build a ONE DVD ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; JPB
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How much RAM would a Live DVD need to run smoothly? note that
+</I>&gt;<i> everything is run in the RAM with live discs.
+</I>If we run the same applications, why should it needs more ram than a live CD ?
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, the One CD's are mostly considered as a way to give a distro a
+</I>&gt;<i> test drive, it's a bonus that we can install it...
+</I>A much needed bonus if we need to &quot;compete&quot; with other distro !
+And we will get rid of a lot problems you got when installing from a ONE CD.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>On mercredi 29 septembre 2010 at 20:39, Ahmad Samir wrote :
+&gt;<i> &gt; Many many more are kde applications. This is 2010.1 x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it's a bit on an indirect dependency phonon requires libpulse.so:
+</I>&gt;<i> $ urpmf --requires lib64phonon4 | grep pulse
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64phonon4:libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64phonon4:libpulse.so.0()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and of course removing phonon would remove many more kde4 packages.
+</I>
+But those dependencies are provided by
+lib64pulseaudio0
+lib64pulseglib20
+so you can uninstall the daemon (pulseaudio) and keep those libraries for
+the packages that need them.
+
+The gnome part is more tricky, because gnome requires esound, which is
+provided by pulseaudio-esound-compat (which requires pulseaudio daemon), and
+you don't have anymore a real esound packaged anymore, so you would need to
+get a package from an older mandriva.
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+<PRE>On 29 September 2010 22:12, Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On mercredi 29 septembre 2010 at 20:39, Ahmad Samir wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Many many more are kde applications. This is 2010.1 x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, it's a bit on an indirect dependency phonon requires libpulse.so:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> $ urpmf --requires lib64phonon4 | grep pulse
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64phonon4:libpulse-mainloop-glib.so.0()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lib64phonon4:libpulse.so.0()(64bit)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and of course removing phonon would remove many more kde4 packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But those dependencies are provided by
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64pulseaudio0
+</I>&gt;<i> lib64pulseglib20
+</I>&gt;<i> so you can uninstall the daemon (pulseaudio) and keep those libraries for
+</I>&gt;<i> the packages that need them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The gnome part is more tricky, because gnome requires esound, which is
+</I>&gt;<i> provided by pulseaudio-esound-compat (which requires pulseaudio daemon), and
+</I>&gt;<i> you don't have anymore a real esound packaged anymore, so you would need to
+</I>&gt;<i> get a package from an older mandriva.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Renaud Michel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, you're right about esound.
+
+And if pulseaudio is disabled you get no sound applet in the gnome panel.
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>Need help with Blogs? I'm here!
+I can help in &quot;pt_br&quot; and &quot;en&quot; blogs.
+
+J&#250;nior
+
+2010/9/29 Damien Lallement &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at damsweb.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team and
+</I>&gt;<i> the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or remarks
+</I>&gt;<i> in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the process
+</I>&gt;<i> to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>&gt;<i> default).
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread to
+</I>&gt;<i> ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be in
+</I>&gt;<i> charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Damien Lallement
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+<PRE>On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 03:43:58 Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 14:42, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Oh, and I forgot, before doing a poll, I think we need to select logo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; according to some criterias :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you review and complete
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A> with those you added? I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> have some to insert as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - see how trademark issue will be handled, this not decided yet, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that's quite a sensitive topic, as you need to be permissive and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; protective in the same time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Rights on artwork will have to be transmitted to the association,
+</I>&gt;<i> which will register the logo as a trademark. Precisely because that's
+</I>&gt;<i> a sensitive thing indeed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And I am sure that experienced designers may add some others
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; requirements to this. There is a page about this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And once everything is cleared, if there is some logos left, then we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could proceed to a poll.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But I think that a poll will open a lot of questions : who can express
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their opinion, what guarantees will we have it to not be hijacked ( as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; could doodle be ), how do we ensure a representative choice ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ie, if we ask on people on this list, are we sure to have a logo that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would please everyone else ? Do we want to ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Obviously a poll can be indicative, but decision in last resort will
+</I>&gt;<i> be somewhere between the founding board and the community
+</I>&gt;<i> council/board (more to come about this, very soon). Because a logo is
+</I>&gt;<i> not only a like/don't like thing and it should fit the destination of
+</I>&gt;<i> the project in the long term.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+With regard to Logo selection any poll of the community must only include Logo
+proposals that fit within a predetermined selection criteria.
+
+a) It offends NOONE
+b) It is scaleable: ie instantly recognisable at any size from 16px to &gt; A1
+c) It is unique
+d) It is attractive to the TARGET MARKET
+e) Ideally but not compulsorily can be easily adjusted to suit different
+markets
+f) Fits within branding guidelines
+g) Fits branding guidelines
+h) Fits branding
+I) Fits
+
+It would be nice if it told a story, but until we figure out our brand, there
+is NO story. The logo is a single part of a holistic picture and it has to
+fit that landscape along with pallets, fonts, vision and so on.
+
+Please can the community develop a pallet and a brand strategy first, then we
+find a logo that fits that.
+
+I have a suggestion for a target market and for that I'm going to start
+another thread.
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+One more with me.
+I was modo on multi-hardware.com (even this website is not really active
+today because there is less people for animation, it was 4500 visits by
+day in 2003).
+
+My english is a little bad, but I think that the production of
+documentation in EN is so important, that I can help to translate EN&gt;FR.
+
+Le 29/09/2010 19:52, Sandro Cazzaniga a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 29/09/2010 19:05, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will happy to help you in moderation :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 29 September 2010 19:39:51 Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> Which apps? if you rpm -e --nodeps a lib package, it's logical that an
+</I>&gt;<i> binary that has a dep on that package will not work as it'll won't
+</I>&gt;<i> find it at startup, even if it's not going to really use it (mplayer
+</I>&gt;<i> example applies here too).
+</I>
+Well, Ahmad, I don't go looking for problem apps, but I surely know when I
+have found one. Foobillard is a wonderful snooker/billiards/pool game. Just
+like the real thing it is also a great way to waste a few hours in the
+evening. With the 2010.1 package it is now possible to do this in complete
+silence. Sorry, not &quot;possible&quot; because it is now inevitable on a PC which is
+not using Pulse.
+
+It took me a couple of months of exploring and testing before I stumbled on
+thge cause of the problem. The 2010.1 package (not the 2010.0 one; it
+performs in glorious stereocolour) has been &quot;enhanced&quot; by the packager in a
+way which introduces a Pulse dependency. When I found the offending script I
+realised it could be fixed by deleting all but the last line. Now foobillard
+shouts out loud and clear in pure Alsa. Whoopee. Tokk a long time to sort out
+though, and I didn't get the clue until I had deleted all traces of Pulse.
+
+I'm not smart enough to do it any other way. As long as I know I have no trace
+of pulse on the machine I can better focus on getting stuff to work. Unlike
+you, I cannot KNOW that disabling Pulse is enough. I can only BELIEVE it, and
+I don't have enough faith for that yet.
+
+Richard
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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team
+</I>&gt;<i> and the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> remarks in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the
+</I>&gt;<i> process to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>&gt;<i> default).
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be
+</I>&gt;<i> in charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>
+i can propose my help for the italian blog, better together with another (one
+or more) person (because for study reason sometimes i'm not available).
+
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>On 29 September 2010 22:40, Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wednesday 29 September 2010 19:39:51 Ahmad Samir wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which apps? if you rpm -e --nodeps a lib package, it's logical that an
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> binary that has a dep on that package will not work as it'll won't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> find it at startup, even if it's not going to really use it (mplayer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> example applies here too).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, Ahmad, I don't go looking for problem apps, but I surely know when I
+</I>&gt;<i> have found one. Foobillard is a wonderful snooker/billiards/pool game. Just
+</I>&gt;<i> like the real thing it is also a great way to waste a few hours in the
+</I>&gt;<i> evening. With the 2010.1 package it is now possible to do this in complete
+</I>&gt;<i> silence. Sorry, not &quot;possible&quot; because it is now inevitable on a PC which is
+</I>&gt;<i> not using Pulse.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It took me a couple of months of exploring and testing before I stumbled on
+</I>&gt;<i> thge cause of the problem. The 2010.1 package (not the 2010.0 one; it
+</I>&gt;<i> performs in glorious stereocolour) has been &quot;enhanced&quot; by the packager in a
+</I>&gt;<i> way which introduces a Pulse dependency. When I found the offending script I
+</I>&gt;<i> realised it could be fixed by deleting all but the last line. Now foobillard
+</I>&gt;<i> shouts out loud and clear in pure Alsa. Whoopee. Tokk a long time to sort out
+</I>&gt;<i> though, and I didn't get the clue until I had deleted &#160;all traces of Pulse.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not smart enough to do it any other way. As long as I know I have no trace
+</I>&gt;<i> of pulse on the machine I can better focus on getting stuff to work. Unlike
+</I>&gt;<i> you, I cannot KNOW that disabling Pulse is enough. I can only BELIEVE it, and
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't have enough faith for that yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, I think you should have also filed a bug report about that package...
+
+(I am going off-topic, sorry about that).
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+--
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+ <B>Olivier M&#233;jean</B>
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+<PRE>Hello there !!
+
+Following my previous news about donation, on friday, let's refresh them !
+
+About paypal, you may have noticed that our paypal account has been limited.
+Yes, guys, it was your fault !!! You were so in hurry to give to mageia
+project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned paypal, i sent paypal
+many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal and yesterday we were
+pleased to know that our paypal account was verified so no more limitation, we
+can overtake the limit of 2000&#8364;, and it is overtaken.
+
+While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on each
+donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79&#8364; but commission removed the
+donations are 2851.9&#8364;, a bit more than 4% of commission (well the real
+commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the amount). Donations using
+paypal are ranging from 3 to 500&#8364;
+
+Bank transfert allows to get 1810&#8364; and bank check 75&#8364;, to give 4736.9&#8364;
+
+
+The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess Ma&#226;t,
+who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him some nice job
+by adding new languages! For example, what about greek , finnish, swedish (or
+norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian announcements? Yes !! So translators,
+have a look at <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A> translate it and send it and Ma&#226;t
+will be very happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another
+language I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Ma&#226;t
+you are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to
+congratulate him, he likes it :&#254;
+
+We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank
+account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days, but
+no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving donations.
+
+I was about to forget, as Ma&#226;t said in a previous mail, &#171; Mageia IS definetely
+the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
+The Universe, and Everything &#187;
+
+&lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29</A>&gt;
+
+&lt;<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-</A>
+DonationMageia424242.png&gt;
+
+I stop here, next step 10,000&#8364; ? Ok ?
+
+
+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+twitter : obagoom
+identi.ca : goom
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+ <B>Dick Gevers</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:33:01 +0200, DjeZAeL wrote about Re:
+[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer:
+
+&gt;<i>Here is a capture available for all :
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-DonationMageia424242.png">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-DonationMageia424242.png</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;:<i>)
+</I>
+Thanks, but missing info here is the name (or number) of the latest
+contributor at the hour that the screenshot was made: the Mageia Universal
+(Wo-/Man) !?)
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+[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct:
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Well, you could have just sent one email to all the ML's (think of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> those who are subscribed to all those ML's, they'll get the same email
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> three times :)).
+</I>
+
+Not with murx (in contrib), if set up well enough.
+
+
+&gt;<i><A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette#Cross_Posting">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Docs/Support/Mailinglists/Etiquette#Cross_Posting</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;:<i>)
+</I>
+
+Ya. But three separate ones is only a devious workaround.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thx a lot for this overview.
+
+&gt;<i> I stop here, next step 10,000&#8364; ? Ok ?
+</I>
+Think BIG! 100K is the next stop. We are riding a fast train, don't we?
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+<PRE>Le 29/09/2010 22:31, Dick Gevers a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:33:01 +0200, DjeZAeL wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here is a capture available for all :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-DonationMageia424242.png">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-DonationMageia424242.png</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks, but missing info here is the name (or number) of the latest
+</I>&gt;<i> contributor at the hour that the screenshot was made: the Mageia Universal
+</I>&gt;<i> (Wo-/Man) !?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It was the 80th donator who allow us to have this incredible amount :)
+
+*hoping we will have 80years of luck with such a number (424242) ^^
+
+--
+DjeZAeL / Elodie
+
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+</I>&gt;<i> *hoping we will have 80years of luck with such a number (424242) ^^
+</I>
+A chinese user may hit the 8,888.88 Euro mark - it would mean eternal
+luck for us all!
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+But a proverb says, you have to work hard for good joss or you can
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+So let's work hard
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Damien Lallement &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at ...</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, let's go to apply.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'd love to join the PT_BR team translation, since I already translated the
+donation page for this language, but I have some commitments to college, I'll
+pass the ball to whoever has the readiness to blog on. However, I'm available to
+do small translations.
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+<PRE>Hello Andr&#233;,
+
+We can do this work together, since it does not have much time available.
+What do you think?
+
+Em 29 de setembro de 2010 17:54, Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt;escreveu:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2010/9/29 Damien Lallement &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at ...</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; So, let's go to apply.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd love to join the PT_BR team translation, since I already translated the
+</I>&gt;<i> donation page for this language, but I have some commitments to college,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> pass the ball to whoever has the readiness to blog on. However, I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> available to
+</I>&gt;<i> do small translations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
+Filipe Saraiva
+**************************************
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+<PRE>W dniu 2010-09-29 19:17, Ireneusz Gierlach pisze:
+&gt;<i> I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I can also help out with the EN version :)
+</I>
+I can help out with the Polish version. I have already finished
+translating all the entries but nobody could tell me where to submit them.
+
+Regards,
+Adrian
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+<PRE>Hi, besides the translation can help with the blog. I didn't found where
+ put the name on the Wiki, by the way in which topics arise.
+
+On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amfidiusz at gmail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-09-29 19:17, Ireneusz Gierlach pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can also help out with the EN version :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can help out with the Polish version. I have already finished translating
+</I>&gt;<i> all the entries but nobody could tell me where to submit them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Adrian
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+<PRE>Il 29/09/2010 21:38, Marcello Anni ha scritto:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i can propose my help for the italian blog, better together with another (one
+</I>&gt;<i> or more) person (because for study reason sometimes i'm not available).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Count me in for italian translations ;-)
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+&gt;<i> Hello Andr&#233;,We can do this work together, since it does not have much time
+</I>available.What do you think?
+
+
+Having someone to help is very useful. If we divide task - and in some mounths
+I'll be in vacations \o/ I can help, yes.
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+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001567.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001572.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001583.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001588.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001596.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001525.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001591.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Openoffice forked into LibreOffice
+</A><A NAME="1526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JPB
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JPB
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001534.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001535.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001557.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001546.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001587.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001606.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001618.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001623.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001552.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001558.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001620.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001633.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001637.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001543.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001541.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001639.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001564.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001569.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001628.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001539.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthieu P
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001533.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001625.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001523.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001581.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001584.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001611.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001627.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001540.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001542.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001544.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001545.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001547.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001554.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001575.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001577.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001528.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Henri de Solages
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001595.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Domingos Teruel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Domingos Teruel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001561.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001614.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001568.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001576.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001578.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001553.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001589.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Sep 29 23:43:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 23:44:05 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>29 September 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 00:16:41 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 23:43:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 128<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>ForumAdmin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001523.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001525.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Openoffice forked into LibreOffice
+</A><A NAME="1526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001528.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Henri de Solages
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001530.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001531.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001533.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001534.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001535.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001536.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001537.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001538.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001539.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthieu P
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001540.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001541.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001542.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001543.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001544.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001545.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001546.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001547.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001549.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001552.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001553.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001554.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001557.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001558.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001559.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001566.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001562.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001561.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001563.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001564.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001565.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001567.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001568.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001569.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001571.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001572.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001575.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001576.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001577.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001578.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001581.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001583.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001584.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001588.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001587.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001589.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001591.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001595.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Domingos Teruel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001596.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001597.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001601.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001603.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001606.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001607.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001618.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001623.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001611.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JPB
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001614.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JPB
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001620.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001625.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001627.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001628.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001629.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001630.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001631.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001633.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001637.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Domingos Teruel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001639.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Sep 29 23:43:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 23:44:05 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 00:16:41 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 23:43:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 128<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001563.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1563">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001565.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1565">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001581.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1581">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001583.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1583">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001584.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1584">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001559.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001630.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001561.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001564.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1564">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001568.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001569.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001594.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1594">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001595.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1595">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Domingos Teruel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001596.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1596">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001604.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1604">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001608.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1608">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1609">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001622.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001626.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1626">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001635.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1635">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001636.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1636">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Filipe Saraiva
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001637.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1637">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001638.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1638">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Domingos Teruel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001640.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1640">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001587.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1587">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001591.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1591">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001598.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1598">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001599.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1599">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001605.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1605">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001606.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1606">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001607.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1607">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001624.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1624">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001639.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1639">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matteo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001628.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001631.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001633.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001589.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001597.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1600">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001601.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001603.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001629.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Openoffice forked into LibreOffice
+</A><A NAME="1526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001562.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001531.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001533.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001534.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001535.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001536.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001544.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001546.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001547.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001552.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001553.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001557.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001588.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001611.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JPB
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JPB
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001620.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001625.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001627.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001525.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001542.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>ForumAdmin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001538.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001539.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthieu P
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001541.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001545.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001554.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001558.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001566.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001567.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001571.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001572.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001575.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001576.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001577.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001578.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001618.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001623.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001523.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001614.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001528.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Henri de Solages
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001530.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001537.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001540.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001543.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001549.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Sep 29 23:43:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 23:44:05 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <h1>29 September 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 00:16:41 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Sep 29 23:43:50 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 128<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285712201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285712201-01285713656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285712201-01285713656-01285716355- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1518">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285712201-01285713741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lirodon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001527.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001544.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1544">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001546.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1546">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001547.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1547">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001552.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1552">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285762636- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001553.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1553">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001580.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1580">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001582.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1582">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726-01285779566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001588.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1588">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726-01285779566-01285780641- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001592.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1592">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726-01285779566-01285780641-01285780740- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001593.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1593">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726-01285779827- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001585.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1585">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726-01285779827-01285780478- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1590">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726-01285779827-01285780478-01285784687- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001611.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1611">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726-01285779827-01285780478-01285784687-01285785395- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1613">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JPB
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726-01285779827-01285780478-01285784687-01285785395-01285785849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001616.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1616">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285724794-01285728656-01285753477-01285753924-01285754870-01285762284-01285776995-01285777726-01285779827-01285780478-01285784687-01285785395-01285785849-01285787320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001619.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1619">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>JPB
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285741408- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285741408-01285745639- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001531.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1531">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285741408-01285783592- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001610.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1610">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285741408-01285783592-01285785591- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001615.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1615">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285741408-01285783592-01285785591-01285787543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001620.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1620">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285741408-01285783592-01285785591-01285787543-01285787811- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001621.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1621">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285741408-01285783592-01285785591-01285789219- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001625.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1625">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285712201-01285713741-01285717650-01285741408-01285783592-01285785591-01285789219-01285789517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001627.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1627">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285712748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285712748-01285714027- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285712748-01285714027-01285746935- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001534.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1534">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285712748-01285714027-01285746935-01285779908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001586.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1586">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285715342- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Translation -structure
+</A><A NAME="1517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>ForumAdmin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285718670- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001521.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1521">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dale Huckeby
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285718844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001522.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285724738- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001523.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285724738-01285785481- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001614.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1614">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285725908- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001525.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285725908-01285753244- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001542.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1542">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285727377- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Openoffice forked into LibreOffice
+</A><A NAME="1526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285732385- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001528.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Henri de Solages
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285732385-01285742912- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001530.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285732385-01285742912-01285752952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001540.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1540">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285732385-01285742912-01285759677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1548">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285732385-01285742912-01285759677-01285760496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001549.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1549">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285732385-01285742912-01285759677-01285760496-01285760648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001550.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1550">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285732385-01285751366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001537.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1537">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285732385-01285753424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001543.html">[Mageia-discuss] Will Mageia meet small businesses' needs?
+</A><A NAME="1543">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285746165- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001532.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1532">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285746165-01285748673- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001536.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1536">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285746165-01285748673-01285764919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001556.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1556">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285746165-01285748673-01285764919-01285765844- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001557.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1557">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285746486- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001533.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1533">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285746486-01285747051- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001535.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1535">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285751622- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001538.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1538">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285751622-01285752686- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001539.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1539">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Matthieu P
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285751622-01285752686-01285753022- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001541.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1541">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285751622-01285753586- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001545.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1545">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285751622-01285753586-01285765955- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001558.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1558">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285751622-01285753586-01285765955-01285771366- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001575.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1575">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285751622-01285753586-01285765955-01285771366-01285771874- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001578.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1578">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285751622-01285753586-01285765955-01285771366-01285771874-01285783222- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001618.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1618">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285751622-01285764158- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001554.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1554">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285751622-01285764158-01285766706- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001566.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1566">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285751622-01285764158-01285766706-01285768043- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001567.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1567">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285751622-01285764158-01285766706-01285769514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001571.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1571">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
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+
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+<LI><A HREF="001572.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1572">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285751622-01285764158-01285766706-01285769514-01285770363-01285771689- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001577.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1577">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285751622-01285764158-01285771438- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001576.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1576">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285751622-01285764158-01285771438-01285784607- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001623.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1623">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285761563- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001551.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1551">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285764265- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001555.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1555">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285764265-01285766779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001562.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1562">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285766644- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001559.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1559">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285766644-01285767493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001563.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<!--2 01285766644-01285767493-01285767768- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001565.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
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+<LI><A HREF="001581.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
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+<I>Ahmad Samir
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+<LI><A HREF="001583.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
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+
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+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285766644-01285767493-01285767768-01285777666-01285778760-01285792467- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001630.html">[Mageia-discuss] &quot;Provisional&quot; Netiquette for ML and Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="1630">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
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+</UL>
+</UL>
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+<LI><A HREF="001560.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1560">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
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+<!--1 01285767278-01285767410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001561.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1561">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
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+<!--2 01285767278-01285767410-01285768070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001568.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1568">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
+
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+<!--3 01285767278-01285767410-01285768070-01285768324- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001569.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1569">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285767278-01285768657- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001570.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1570">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285767278-01285768657-01285770403- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001573.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1573">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285770403-01285770631- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001574.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1574">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285770403-01285770631-01285771933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001579.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1579">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Erwien Samantha Y
+</I>
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+<!--2 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001589.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1589">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
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+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376-01285781437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001597.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1597">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376-01285781437-01285781439- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001600.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
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+<I>Ahmad Samir
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+
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376-01285781437-01285781439-01285781796- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001602.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1602">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376-01285781437-01285781439-01285781796-01285785952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001617.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1617">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376-01285781437-01285781581- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001601.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1601">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376-01285781437-01285781581-01285782079- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001603.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1603">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376-01285781437-01285781581-01285792264- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001629.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1629">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376-01285781437-01285781581-01285792264-01285792903- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001632.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1632">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285767278-01285768657-01285780376-01285781437-01285781581-01285792264-01285792903-01285793426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001634.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1634">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
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+</UL>
+<!--1 01285767278-01285784751- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001612.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia IS definetely the answer
+</A><A NAME="1612">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
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+<LI><A HREF="001564.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Mageia IS definetely the answer
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+<I>Ma&#226;t
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+<I>Domingos Teruel
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+<LI><A HREF="001609.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
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+</A><A NAME="1622">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
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+<LI><A HREF="001628.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1628">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
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+<!--1 01285791507-01285792469- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001631.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1631">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="001633.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1633">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
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+ <B>Ireneusz Gierlach</B>
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+<PRE> On 09/29/2010 05:00 PM, Adrian Marcinkowski wrote:
+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-09-29 19:17, Ireneusz Gierlach pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I would love to see the PL (Polish) blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I can also help out with the EN version :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can help out with the Polish version. I have already finished
+</I>&gt;<i> translating all the entries but nobody could tell me where to submit
+</I>&gt;<i> them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Adrian
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Co-op Time ;)
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+ <B>rom1dep</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Dubeau, Patrick &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de rom1dep
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;&#160;: 29 septembre 2010 08:44
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I find this one pretty cool, maybe the colors need to be reworked a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> little but this proposal is modern, attractive, nice work !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi rom1dep,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wich one? You didn't provide the link. ;)
+</I>
+
+I'm speaking about
+<A HREF="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</A> , just
+like if I was posting at the bottom of a ML-thread ;)
+
+Romain.
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+<PRE>W dniu 2010-09-30 00:02, Ireneusz Gierlach pisze:
+&gt;<i> Co-op Time ;)
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+Sure! You can catch me on the Polish IRC channel once the blog teams are
+established.
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:41 +0000, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> How much Mageia Foundation needs to start its operations?
+</I>
+This is not a Foundation, this is a association, which is a little bit
+different from a legal point of view.
+
+And well, I think we need to pay for the domain name
+( 12 e/y ), for the trademark ( 400e ), for the disks ( no estimate yet,
+depend on the size and the price ), for some part of the hosting ( can
+be quite cheap or not, a small server for dns/smtp/etc, cost around 20
+to 30 euros per months ). You can also add some administrative fees
+( bank account, sending letter to association members, etc ).
+
+So the bare minimum is quite low. But with it, you do not do much.
+
+With more money, well, better and more servers can be bought ( faster
+build, more services, spare hardware in case of problem ), developers
+travel and so on. For example, Opensuse have invited us to come at their
+conference in Nuremberg, but that's a little bit too far and expensive
+for me, so I guess I will have to decline.
+
+You can also see how Mozilla foundation, or Wikimedia does and spend
+their money, but their need are far greater than ours.
+
+Usually, this is the available funds that decide what can be done, and
+not the reverse.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>I can help with the English blog if needed!
+On Sep 29, 2010 1:12 PM, &quot;Damien Lallement&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at damsweb.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team
+</I>&gt;<i> and the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> remarks in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the
+</I>&gt;<i> process to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>&gt;<i> default).
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be
+</I>&gt;<i> in charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Damien Lallement
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello there !!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Following my previous news about donation, on friday, let's refresh them !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About paypal, you may have noticed that our paypal account has been limited.
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, guys, it was your fault !!! You were so in hurry to give to mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned paypal, i sent paypal
+</I>&gt;<i> many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal and yesterday we were
+</I>&gt;<i> pleased to know that our paypal account was verified so no more limitation, we
+</I>&gt;<i> can overtake the limit of 2000&#8364;, and it is overtaken.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on each
+</I>&gt;<i> donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79&#8364; but commission removed the
+</I>&gt;<i> donations are 2851.9&#8364;, a bit more than 4% of commission (well the real
+</I>&gt;<i> commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the amount). Donations using
+</I>&gt;<i> paypal are ranging from 3 to 500&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bank transfert allows to get 1810&#8364; and bank check 75&#8364;, to give 4736.9&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess Ma&#226;t,
+</I>&gt;<i> who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him some nice job
+</I>&gt;<i> by adding new languages! For example, what about greek , finnish, swedish (or
+</I>&gt;<i> norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian announcements? Yes !! So translators,
+</I>&gt;<i> have a look at <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A> translate it and send it and Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> will be very happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another
+</I>&gt;<i> language I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> you are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to
+</I>&gt;<i> congratulate him, he likes it :&#254;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank
+</I>&gt;<i> account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days, but
+</I>&gt;<i> no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving donations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was about to forget, as Ma&#226;t said in a previous mail, &#171; Mageia IS definetely
+</I>&gt;<i> the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
+</I>&gt;<i> The Universe, and Everything &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> DonationMageia424242.png&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I stop here, next step 10,000&#8364; ? Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>&gt;<i> Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> twitter : obagoom
+</I>&gt;<i> identi.ca : goom
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>*cough*
+
+Not that I'll expect anything but heavy flaming, lotsa hostility and
+not really that much of a reward coming out of it, but I can't help
+but raising a question..
+Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and
+for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet,
+nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or
+even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions?
+I personally would feel uncomfortable starting to raise funds and
+accept donations from people who don't even really know whether what
+they're actually supporting will become what they want it to or not..
+But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something
+with at least not worse communication and without even the certain
+degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company
+such as Mandriva..?
+
+Although commenting on this with irony in tone, I really must say that
+what seems to me as a general lack of knowledge, information and
+involvement of people in discussions around much of this gives a less
+assuring impression, leaving me wonder a lot about what all of the
+work on this the previous months might've been, what discussions that
+might currently take place, whether you've already decided on final
+details, are about to decide on, or are planning on putting together a
+proposal for commmunity discussion, feedback and consensus to worked
+out around..?
+
+Well, my bias is given, my devious motives being probably any evil
+thing you could imagine and all, far to easy detecting way already and
+then some before first, earlier, afterwards,
+pastpresentfuturebeforeandall, but I think you should make sure to not
+fall short of coming off as actually better on these things than the
+company you want to distanse you from..
+
+Having either these details in place before announcing the project, or
+announcing the project with an invitation to participate in defining
+it would seem more sensible to me, you might just find yourself in a
+bad situation with people easily becoming aggitated and easily upset,
+especially when there's money involved, demands greater, more pressure
+put on you living up to different and perhaps conflicting
+expectations..
+
+Oh well, just some mostly constructive critic, or perhaps plain ol'
+nagging, and some petty words of caution, hoping to see some of this
+answered, accepting the scepticism and hopefully showing yourself able
+to address it and also ultimately publishing some really neat goals
+easy to relate to, and cool plans that could be of interest to all of
+us. \o/
+
+Best of luck and always remember that shoving is the answer, shoving
+will protect you! ;)
+
+--
+Hugz&amp;kizzez&lt;3
+Per &#216;yvind
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+ <B>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/29 Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On mercredi 29 septembre 2010 at 09:55, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen wrote :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not really, I've been porting more or less most tools of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution to rpm5 already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is rpm5 compatible with rpm4?
+</I>&gt;<i> What I mean is, with a distribution based on rpm5, will packages created
+</I>&gt;<i> with rpm4 (likely from the latest current version) be installable without
+</I>&gt;<i> problem (provided the dependencies are met)?
+</I>Yupp. :)
+
+Rpm5 support for current apt also exists already too btw., similar
+things can easily be done within short time on most of requests given
+or features desired if you'd be interested in adopting it and provided
+with help in maintaining and developing it on Mageia if you'd decide
+for it. ;)
+
+At least now you know that we'll happily be available to you. :o)
+--
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+Per &#216;yvind
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 &#224; 01:00 +0200, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello there !!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Following my previous news about donation, on friday, let's refresh them !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; About paypal, you may have noticed that our paypal account has been limited.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, guys, it was your fault !!! You were so in hurry to give to mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned paypal, i sent paypal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal and yesterday we were
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pleased to know that our paypal account was verified so no more limitation, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; can overtake the limit of 2000&#8364;, and it is overtaken.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on each
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79&#8364; but commission removed the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; donations are 2851.9&#8364;, a bit more than 4% of commission (well the real
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the amount). Donations using
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; paypal are ranging from 3 to 500&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bank transfert allows to get 1810&#8364; and bank check 75&#8364;, to give 4736.9&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess Ma&#226;t,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him some nice job
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by adding new languages! For example, what about greek , finnish, swedish (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian announcements? Yes !! So translators,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have a look at <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A> translate it and send it and Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be very happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; language I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; congratulate him, he likes it :&#254;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days, but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving donations.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was about to forget, as Ma&#226;t said in a previous mail, &#171; Mageia IS definetely
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The Universe, and Everything &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everything#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_.2842.29</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; DonationMageia424242.png&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I stop here, next step 10,000&#8364; ? Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; twitter : obagoom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; identi.ca : goom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> *cough*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not that I'll expect anything but heavy flaming, lotsa hostility and
+</I>&gt;<i> not really that much of a reward coming out of it, but I can't help
+</I>&gt;<i> but raising a question..
+</I>
+Well, I hope that you would not be too much flamed, because that's not
+exactly what I would love to see here. So if people respond, please be
+courteous :)
+
+&gt;<i> Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and
+</I>&gt;<i> for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or
+</I>&gt;<i> even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions?
+</I>&gt;<i> I personally would feel uncomfortable starting to raise funds and
+</I>&gt;<i> accept donations from people who don't even really know whether what
+</I>&gt;<i> they're actually supporting will become what they want it to or not..
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something
+</I>&gt;<i> with at least not worse communication and without even the certain
+</I>&gt;<i> degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company
+</I>&gt;<i> such as Mandriva..?
+</I>
+You are right, but I think that people who give have faith in the
+project. And while I am biased, I think they are right.
+
+I also think people are able to decide by themselves who to trust, we
+didn't do a big campaign &quot;give us money or we will die&quot; style, and we
+were the first one to be astonished by the overwhelming reaction of the
+community following us. In fact, and as I said in the past, this stress
+me a little to see how much hope people put in us to organize
+everything. I feel lot of pressure to do everything right from the start
+on my part.
+
+I could perfectly understand that people would wait to give anything,
+and in fact, I hope that I am not the only one to think like that ( but
+thanks god, it seems that I am not ).
+
+But if anybody has any questions, the previous week have show that we
+will answer to them. Maybe we could have done like the LibreOffice fork,
+preparing everything and then announce, but we decided to be transparent
+as soon as possible, even if this make us look like vaporware in the
+first day.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+<PRE>Op donderdag 30 september 2010 01:00:50 schreef Per &#216;yvind Karlsen:
+&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello there !!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Following my previous news about donation, on friday, let's refresh them
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; About paypal, you may have noticed that our paypal account has been
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; limited. Yes, guys, it was your fault !!! You were so in hurry to give
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to mageia project that paypal asked us some informations. I phoned
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; paypal, i sent paypal many documents, our vice-treasurer's phoned paypal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and yesterday we were pleased to know that our paypal account was
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; verified so no more limitation, we can overtake the limit of 2000&#8364;, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is overtaken.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While talking about paypal, you know that paypal take a commission on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; each donation. A the moment, donations arise at 2972.79&#8364; but commission
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; removed the donations are 2851.9&#8364;, a bit more than 4% of commission
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (well the real commission of a fixed amount plus a percentage of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; amount). Donations using paypal are ranging from 3 to 500&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bank transfert allows to get 1810&#8364; and bank check 75&#8364;, to give 4736.9&#8364;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The announcement is translated into 10 languages, good job but i guess
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ma&#226;t, who's in charge of the page, is underemployed so let's get him
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some nice job by adding new languages! For example, what about greek ,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; finnish, swedish (or norvegian?), russian, chinese, serbian
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; announcements? Yes !! So translators, have a look at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://donate.mageia.org/">http://donate.mageia.org/</A> translate it and send it and Ma&#226;t will be very
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; happy to add new languages. Oh by the way, if there is another language
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I did not talk about, feel free to translate too! To end with, Ma&#226;t you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; are really a nice guy ;-), dear members of Mageia don't forget to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; congratulate him, he likes it :&#254;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We are still waiting for the creation of Mageia association and the bank
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; account to give the donations to Mageia. I guess it will take some days,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but no problem for us, we will still be happy to help receiving
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; donations.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I was about to forget, as Ma&#226;t said in a previous mail, &#171; Mageia IS
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; definetely the answer to the Ultimate Answer to the Ultimate Question of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Life, The Universe, and Everything &#187;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everythin">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Answer_to_Life,_the_Universe,_and_Everythin</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; g#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe_and_Everything_
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; .2842.29&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-">http://download.tuxfamily.org/cooker/mageia/stats/Capture-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; DonationMageia424242.png&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I stop here, next step 10,000&#8364; ? Ok ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Linux <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; twitter : obagoom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; identi.ca : goom
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> *cough*
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not that I'll expect anything but heavy flaming, lotsa hostility and
+</I>&gt;<i> not really that much of a reward coming out of it, but I can't help
+</I>&gt;<i> but raising a question..
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and
+</I>&gt;<i> for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or
+</I>&gt;<i> even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions?
+</I>&gt;<i> I personally would feel uncomfortable starting to raise funds and
+</I>&gt;<i> accept donations from people who don't even really know whether what
+</I>&gt;<i> they're actually supporting will become what they want it to or not..
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something
+</I>&gt;<i> with at least not worse communication and without even the certain
+</I>&gt;<i> degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company
+</I>&gt;<i> such as Mandriva..?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Although commenting on this with irony in tone, I really must say that
+</I>&gt;<i> what seems to me as a general lack of knowledge, information and
+</I>&gt;<i> involvement of people in discussions around much of this gives a less
+</I>&gt;<i> assuring impression, leaving me wonder a lot about what all of the
+</I>&gt;<i> work on this the previous months might've been, what discussions that
+</I>&gt;<i> might currently take place, whether you've already decided on final
+</I>&gt;<i> details, are about to decide on, or are planning on putting together a
+</I>&gt;<i> proposal for commmunity discussion, feedback and consensus to worked
+</I>&gt;<i> out around..?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, my bias is given, my devious motives being probably any evil
+</I>&gt;<i> thing you could imagine and all, far to easy detecting way already and
+</I>&gt;<i> then some before first, earlier, afterwards,
+</I>&gt;<i> pastpresentfuturebeforeandall, but I think you should make sure to not
+</I>&gt;<i> fall short of coming off as actually better on these things than the
+</I>&gt;<i> company you want to distanse you from..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Having either these details in place before announcing the project, or
+</I>&gt;<i> announcing the project with an invitation to participate in defining
+</I>&gt;<i> it would seem more sensible to me, you might just find yourself in a
+</I>&gt;<i> bad situation with people easily becoming aggitated and easily upset,
+</I>&gt;<i> especially when there's money involved, demands greater, more pressure
+</I>&gt;<i> put on you living up to different and perhaps conflicting
+</I>&gt;<i> expectations..
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh well, just some mostly constructive critic, or perhaps plain ol'
+</I>&gt;<i> nagging, and some petty words of caution, hoping to see some of this
+</I>&gt;<i> answered, accepting the scepticism and hopefully showing yourself able
+</I>&gt;<i> to address it and also ultimately publishing some really neat goals
+</I>&gt;<i> easy to relate to, and cool plans that could be of interest to all of
+</I>&gt;<i> us. \o/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best of luck and always remember that shoving is the answer, shoving
+</I>&gt;<i> will protect you! ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Hugz&amp;kizzez&lt;3
+</I>&gt;<i> Per &#216;yvind
+</I>
+
+imo; i think the major point all of us want to have and agree on is to have
+more community input in the distribution.
+
+and iirc, donation button and the like was suggested by people in the
+community themselves.
+
+otoh, i can understand you need funding to get started as well.
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+&gt;<i> 2010/9/29 Dubeau, Patrick &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de rom1dep
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Envoy&#233; : 29 septembre 2010 08:44
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &#192; : Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I find this one pretty cool, maybe the colors need to be reworked a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; little but this proposal is modern, attractive, nice work !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi rom1dep,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wich one? You didn't provide the link. ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm speaking about
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal">http://mageia.posterous.com/my-first-post-and-logo-proposal</A> , just
+</I>&gt;<i> like if I was posting at the bottom of a ML-thread ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+yes, im working on the rework of the logo
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+&gt;<i> Escribe texto o la direcci&#243;n de un sitio web o traduce un documento
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es">http://translate.google.co.cr/?tr=f&amp;hl=es</A>&gt;.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I created some hope that some like.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Logo_B = Nice :D
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+
+2010/9/29 Ireneusz Gierlach &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">irek.gierlach at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On 09/29/2010 07:36 PM, Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Escribe texto o la direcci&#243;n de un sitio web o traduce un documento &lt;
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I created some hope that some like.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Logo_B = Nice :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
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+<PRE>Le 2010-09-29 13:05, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the role of the Blog Team?
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team
+</I>&gt;<i> and the other related teams) ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Translate content from the EN blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+</I>&gt;<i> - Inform the project and needed people about important comments or
+</I>&gt;<i> remarks in the threads of a blog ;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the
+</I>&gt;<i> process to follow for each tasks asked.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by
+</I>&gt;<i> default).
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread
+</I>&gt;<i> to ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be
+</I>&gt;<i> in charge of it!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>
+Bonjour Damien:
+
+I can help with the English and/or French blog.
+
+
+BTW ... wouldn't this be better if you set this up on the Wiki, just
+like the other options to sign-up, and divided up by locales? You would
+then get new people who visit the Wiki, there to signup for the Mageia
+project, a chance to signup for the Blog signup too?
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Richard a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 28 September 2010 22:06:39 Adrian Marcinkowski wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-09-28 22:07, Rory Albertyn pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do not like the font you used. It makes is difficult to read the name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (especially the 'e' letter) ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like Magpid at first glance. ... Clarity is always vital in a trade
+</I>&gt;<i> name's representation so I would suggest we stick with un-ornamented fonts or
+</I>&gt;<i> at most a fairly traditional serifed pattern like Roman.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree that clarity is vital.
+I can see using a creative font, but it must be clear.
+As well the ambiguity of the E and A, the G looks a lot like Q, giving
+MAQPID.
+&gt;&gt;<i> Personally, I am (as are some other users) against using a decorated 'M'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> letter as our logo. We can develop something better, more unique.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, we have too many Ms in the world; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other hand, a stylised M would fit well on a system
+</I>&gt;<i> desktop button, especially a Menu button.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I like the idea of the icon part containing an M, but not just an M.
+We need something much more interesting.
+
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+<PRE>Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-09-29 13:05, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bonjour Damien:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can help with the English and/or French blog.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW ... wouldn't this be better if you set this up on the Wiki, just
+</I>&gt;<i> like the other options to sign-up, and divided up by locales? You
+</I>&gt;<i> would then get new people who visit the Wiki, there to signup for the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia project, a chance to signup for the Blog signup too?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>Salut Damien :
+I can also help with the FR and/or EN blog.
+And I second the idea to set this up on the wiki.
+
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+&gt;<i> Ie, urpmi had to be maintained, since drakx required it ( or a full
+</I>&gt;<i> drakx rewrite had to be done )
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+At this time, drakx was still using its own package selection code, and
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+&gt;<i> But maybe I'm just biased and not being objective expecting something
+</I>&gt;<i> with at least not worse communication and without even the certain
+</I>&gt;<i> degree of transparency and knowledge guaranteed by a public company
+</I>&gt;<i> such as Mandriva..?
+</I>
+Right, the Click'n'backup degree of transparency.
+
+Please, Mageia contributors are not writing lengthy biased posts asking
+for roadmaps on cooker ML, I think it would be appreciated if Mandriva
+fanboys refrained from posting such angry posts here.
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+If you don't agree with Mageia, fine, you're free to stick with Mandriva :)
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+<PRE>Den 2010-09-30 00:24:59 skrev Michael Scherer:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:41 +0000, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How much Mageia Foundation needs to start its operations?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not a Foundation, this is a association, which is a little bit
+</I>&gt;<i> different from a legal point of view.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And well, I think we need to pay for the domain name
+</I>&gt;<i> ( 12 e/y ), for the trademark ( 400e ), for the disks ( no estimate yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> depend on the size and the price ), for some part of the hosting ( can
+</I>&gt;<i> be quite cheap or not, a small server for dns/smtp/etc, cost around 20
+</I>&gt;<i> to 30 euros per months ). You can also add some administrative fees
+</I>&gt;<i> ( bank account, sending letter to association members, etc ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So the bare minimum is quite low. But with it, you do not do much.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With more money, well, better and more servers can be bought ( faster
+</I>&gt;<i> build, more services, spare hardware in case of problem ), developers
+</I>&gt;<i> travel and so on. For example, Opensuse have invited us to come at their
+</I>&gt;<i> conference in Nuremberg, but that's a little bit too far and expensive
+</I>&gt;<i> for me, so I guess I will have to decline.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can also see how Mozilla foundation, or Wikimedia does and spend
+</I>&gt;<i> their money, but their need are far greater than ours.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Usually, this is the available funds that decide what can be done, and
+</I>&gt;<i> not the reverse.
+</I>
+Well written, Michael!
+
+Such explanation makes it easier to open the purse.
+Could some text like this be linked from the donation page?
+
+Linked, so it need not be translated every time it is updated;
+
+It would be nice if it would be updated with what the money is planned to be
+used for, and have been used for so far, in the future.
+
+/Morgan
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+Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 01:00:50, Per &#216;yvind Karlsen a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Isn't it rather kinda questionable and odd to expect of people, and
+</I>&gt;<i> for people to donate to an organization that's not established yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> nor any common goals, objectivies or any discussions concerning it or
+</I>&gt;<i> even knowledge about who's involved in such discussions?
+</I>
+Well, me and probably several other people asked for a donation page the very first day when Mageia was announced, because we all want this project to succeed and want to help that also with donations. Yes, we're taking a risk but knowing the people involved I entrust them to use this money for the good of Mageia.
+
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+&gt;<i> Let everyone write whatever they want to. Be open and give open answers,
+</I>&gt;<i> whoever they are, where ever they come from.
+</I>
+Yes, everybody is welcome to give his opinion. In this virtual world
+you have to judge the people by what they are writing.
+
+Per, are you really telling all those people who already donated and
+contributing to this project are somewhat retarded or dumb so that we
+read your mail and wake up, wondering what we are doing here? No, the
+money and the excitement around Mageia shows that there is a number of
+people who are believing to do the right thing.
+
+But even if nobody would believe Mageia to become a success, even if
+nobody would know the people who they are sending their money to -
+isn't the money and the commitment a clear signal that all these
+people are really unsatisfied with the way it was and want to have
+something else ?
+
+Per, I think the one who is dreaming is you. So wake up and go on with
+your life. If you want to join us,you are welcome like everybody else.
+If you don't want to join us, fine. But don't waste your and our time
+with such unnecessary pamphlets.
+
+wobo
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+<PRE> Le 2010-09-29 13:05, Damien Lallement a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> Hello boys and girls,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, let's go to apply. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I would be interested to translate in french and do moderation :-)
+
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+<PRE>I'm voluntary to translate everything in Romanian.
+So, where do I sign?
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
+
+
+
+----- Original Message ----
+From: Damien Lallement &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at damsweb.net</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Wed, 29 September, 2010 19:05:17
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+
+Hello boys and girls,
+
+As you know, we are working on the localization of the Mageia Blog.
+I'm looking for volunteers to join the Blog Team (BT).
+
+What is the role of the Blog Team?
+- Manage blogs ;
+- Manage comments (moderate, validate...) ;
+- Publish content (in coordination with the BT, the Communication Team and the
+other related teams) ;
+- Translate content from the EN blog ;
+- Spread the birth of the localized blogs ;
+- Inform the project and needed people about important comments or remarks in
+the threads of a blog ;
+
+I will soon publish a wiki entry about the rules of the BT and the process to
+follow for each tasks asked.
+
+For the moment, the blogs are: de/ es/ fr/ it/ pt_br/ ru/ (and &quot;en&quot; by default).
+If you want to see a new language or locale, just answer on this thread to
+ask/propose a new one. Beware, if you ask for a new one, you will be in charge
+of it!
+
+To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+So, let's go to apply. :-)
+-- Damien Lallement
+
+
+
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+&gt;<i> Den 2010-09-30 00:24:59 skrev Michael Scherer:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 29 septembre 2010 &#224; 20:41 +0000, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; How much Mageia Foundation needs to start its operations?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is not a Foundation, this is a association, which is a little bit
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different from a legal point of view.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And well, I think we need to pay for the domain name
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( 12 e/y ), for the trademark ( 400e ), for the disks ( no estimate yet,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; depend on the size and the price ), for some part of the hosting ( can
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be quite cheap or not, a small server for dns/smtp/etc, cost around 20
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to 30 euros per months ). You can also add some administrative fees
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( bank account, sending letter to association members, etc ).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So the bare minimum is quite low. But with it, you do not do much.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; With more money, well, better and more servers can be bought ( faster
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; build, more services, spare hardware in case of problem ), developers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; travel and so on. For example, Opensuse have invited us to come at their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; conference in Nuremberg, but that's a little bit too far and expensive
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for me, so I guess I will have to decline.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You can also see how Mozilla foundation, or Wikimedia does and spend
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their money, but their need are far greater than ours.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Usually, this is the available funds that decide what can be done, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not the reverse.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well written, Michael!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Such explanation makes it easier to open the purse.
+</I>&gt;<i> Could some text like this be linked from the donation page?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Linked, so it need not be translated every time it is updated;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It would be nice if it would be updated with what the money is planned to be
+</I>&gt;<i> used for, and have been used for so far, in the future.
+</I>
+That's the plan , explain each month what were spent. I hope not a full
+blown report, because this would put too much work on the poor soul in
+charge of this. But I guess a blog post for this would be ok .
+
+So far, no money of donation have been spent at all, everything was paid
+out of our pocket ( in fact, I fear mainly out of Romain pocket ).
+Romain used his gandi account for the DNS, so I assume he paid it too,
+and IIRC, he did the various papers for protecting the trademark ( not
+so expensive in the long run, but you pay one time for 10 years afaik ).
+I think that some very basic tshirts have been made too for Open World
+Forum today, I guess this would be for one time 50 euros spending.
+
+If I take a look at the spending of AUFML or other associations, you
+would also count &quot;printing papers&quot; and &quot;printing posters&quot;, even if
+papers are usually printed at work by members. And for a linux
+distribution, money could be spent on cd and sending them ( personally,
+I do not like this from a ecological point of view, but well ).
+
+Right now, Anne, Romain, Damien and others are at the open world forum
+in Paris, so if you are in Paris, you can ask them, and if you have the
+chance of living elsewhere, you will have to wait if you have more
+questions.
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+i am asking for being up to date with free community and so project fork
+after oracle and sun ...
+
+is about Mariadb instead of mysql
+
+libreoffice instead of OOO
+
+for the javajdk debian Ubuntu and many have allready change to Openjdk
+
+what will be for Maegia to be first whith these project easy to use in ?
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+&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i am asking for being up to date with free community and so project
+</I>&gt;<i> fork after oracle and sun ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is about Mariadb instead of mysql
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> libreoffice instead of OOO
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> for the javajdk debian Ubuntu and many have allready change to Openjdk
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> what will be for Maegia to be first whith these project easy to use
+</I>&gt;<i> in ?
+</I>
+I am sorry, but I do not understand the questions, so maybe I answered
+wrongly.
+
+For the moment, the plan is to take Mandriva packages.
+
+Afaik, libreoffice is not ready yet, as indicated by Graham, and as
+tested by Funda on cooker@ ml.
+
+Mariadb is not packaged yet, but if someone does the job, I see no
+reason to not use it.
+
+Openjdk is already what is used on the free version since a long time.
+
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+Here's the Romanian translation for the first page of mageia.org
+
+You can also add my name on that list:
+Florin C&#259;t&#259;lin RUSSEN (Piratu) - Romanian Translation Team coordinator
+
+Best regards,
+Florin
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+2010/9/30 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 &#224; 12:32 +0200, Tonton a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i am asking for being up to date with free community and so project
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> fork after oracle and sun ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is about &#160;Mariadb instead of mysql
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> libreoffice instead of OOO
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for the javajdk debian Ubuntu and many have allready change to Openjdk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> what will be for Maegia to be first whith these project easy to use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am sorry, but I do not understand the questions, so maybe I answered
+</I>&gt;<i> wrongly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the moment, the plan is to take Mandriva packages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Afaik, libreoffice is not ready yet, as indicated by Graham, and as
+</I>&gt;<i> tested by Funda on cooker@ ml.
+</I>
+As was mentioned on the germanspeaking OOo-list, LibreOffice is based on the
+codeline for the next OOo version (which will be 3.3). That's why they
+have already a &quot;Beta&quot; version.
+
+If you need a stable version to use, you should stick at the moment to
+OOo 3.2.1.
+
+Sigrid
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+<PRE>Andr&#233; e Felipe,
+
+I can also help with translation.
+
+MacXi
+
+Em Qua 29 Set 2010, &#224;s 17:58:55, Filipe Saraiva escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hello Andr&#233;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can do this work together, since it does not have much time available.
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you think?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Em 29 de setembro de 2010 17:54, Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt;escreveu:
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2010/9/29 Damien Lallement &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at ...</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; To summarize, we need translators and moderators for each blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; So, let's go to apply.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'd love to join the PT_BR team translation, since I already translated
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the donation page for this language, but I have some commitments to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; college, I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; pass the ball to whoever has the readiness to blog on. However, I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; do small translations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 17:36:18 -0600, Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado wrote:
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/43049453@N04/sets/72157625062936156/</A>
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+<PRE>On Thursday 30 September 2010 04:55:38 andr&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I like the idea of the icon part containing an M, but not just an M.
+</I>&gt;<i> We need something much more interesting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>How about a capital M in a bamboo type font but using white tipped black magic
+wands instead of bamboo?
+
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+</A><A NAME="1641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001644.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Douglas Ward
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001646.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001648.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001649.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001650.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001651.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001652.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001653.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001654.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001658.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001659.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001660.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001662.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001661.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001665.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001666.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001667.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia.org first page Romanian translation
+</A><A NAME="1668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001669.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sigrid Carrera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001670.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001671.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001672.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:49 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <h1>30 September 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 00:02:01 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 33<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Douglas Ward
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001654.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001664.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1664">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001670.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1670">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>terraagua at gmail.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001671.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1671">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001644.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001646.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001648.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001649.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001658.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001659.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001660.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001662.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001661.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1661">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001665.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001651.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001652.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001653.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001672.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001668.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia.org first page Romanian translation
+</A><A NAME="1668">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001650.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001666.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1666">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tonton
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001667.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1667">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001669.html">[Mageia-discuss] What wil be inside by default ?
+</A><A NAME="1669">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sigrid Carrera
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:49 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 00:02:01 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Sep 30 19:44:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 33<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285797721- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001641.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1641">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285797721-01285798077- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001643.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1643">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285798066- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001642.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1642">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>rom1dep
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285798066-01285803127- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001650.html">[Mageia-discuss] Other logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1650">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Binary Trance
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285799099- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001644.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1644">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285799099-01285831209- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001659.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1659">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285799099-01285831209-01285838543- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001665.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1665">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285800799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001645.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1645">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Douglas Ward
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285801250- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001646.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1646">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285801250-01285802155- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001648.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1648">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285801250-01285802210- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001649.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1649">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285801250-01285829939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001658.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1658">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285801250-01285829939-01285831443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001660.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1660">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>isadora
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285801250-01285829939-01285831443-01285833063- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001662.html">[Mageia-discuss] keep on donate or AUFML full transparency
+</A><A NAME="1662">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285802061- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001647.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1647">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Per &#216;yvind Karlsen
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285803378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001651.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1651">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285803378-01285804125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001652.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1652">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285803378-01285804125-01285805410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001653.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1653">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285803378-01285865999- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001672.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1672">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maurice Batey
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285812246- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001654.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1654">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285812246-01285823608- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001656.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1656">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285812246-01285823608-01285834630- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1663">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thibaut FRANCOIS
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285818938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001655.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1655">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285818938-01285868683- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001673.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1673">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285825156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001657.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system
+</A><A NAME="1657">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
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+would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area
+&lt;a href=&quot;<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os</A> &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os</A>&gt;&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png</A> &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png</A>&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
+
+it must be
+href=&quot;<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org</A> &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os</A>&gt;&quot;
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+Well I got an oportunity on presenting Mageia in Enli2010 conferences
+(www.enli.org.mx). Can we all work on a presentation? So mexican people get
+involved and see this
+
+I will place initial ODP in a public place so we may place suggestion.
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+<PRE> In the source code of the blog there's a wrong ref to twitter in the
+&quot;widget-area&quot; class
+it is written :
+&quot;<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os</A>&quot;
+
+clicking on twitter symbol leads to a page that doesn't exist in twitter !!!
+
+it must be :
+&quot;<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org</A>&quot;
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+&gt;<i> Ehlo All,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well I got an oportunity on presenting Mageia in Enli2010 conferences
+</I>&gt;<i> (www.enli.org.mx). Can we all work on a presentation? So mexican people get
+</I>&gt;<i> involved and see this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I will place initial ODP in a public place so we may place suggestion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> LD
+</I>
+Sure, there must be a several introductory things that can be told about
+Mageia, but it will only be introductory though, as Mageia is still in
+construction.
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+&gt;<i> Le 01/10/2010 01:33, Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ehlo All,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well I got an oportunity on presenting Mageia in Enli2010 conferences
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (www.enli.org.mx). Can we all work on a presentation? So mexican people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; get involved and see this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I will place initial ODP in a public place so we may place suggestion.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; LD
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure, there must be a several introductory things that can be told about
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia, but it will only be introductory though, as Mageia is still in
+</I>&gt;<i> construction.
+</I>
+Yes of course
+
+i wonder we may get attention
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+I did started to contact some people to find Tier1 mirrors. One question
+come immediatelly: what will be the size of our mirror tree ?
+
+To have an idea I checked the mirror of the current Mandriva cooker and
+the result make me afraid.
+
+The current cooker tree (RPMS + installer only) is 88GB (SRPMS + i586 +
+x86_64). If I add 3 DVD iso (4GB each) I get around 100GB.
+
+This mean at the begining our mirror will be ~80 GB and in 3 years (1
+release every 6 months) our tree size will be around 700GB !
+
+700GB is an huge size. I know anyone can buy a 1 TB hard drive for a
+small price, however this is not the way it works in real datacenter
+where people take care to the safety of data (RAID1 is two disk). And
+we have to think to future: what will be the size in 6 years ?
+
+The current full Mandriva mirror is more than 1,2 TB.
+
+So an immediate question come: should we try to reduce the size ?
+
+There are solutions, but they implies changes in our development
+process and have counter parts:
+- using hardlink between RPM:
+ - can be done for noarch inside a release
+ - no resiging packages from cooker to stable at release (rpm changes,
+ any possible hardlink get broken)
+- do not push -debug: will bother others developers
+- removing old distro (having another tree for old): this usualy
+ bother people having old distribution still working on some
+ computers, 3 years is not a so long timelife
+
+So:
+- is this kind of size an issue ?
+- do we have to reduce it ?
+- do you have comments/idea about this state ?
+
+Regards.
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+Today, you can find 1To SATA hard disks around 60&#8364; (vat included). I
+shouldn't be to hard to have too I guess.if there's 100persons on this
+list, each gives 1.5&#8364; and you are done with the 2x1To hard disks in RAID.
+
+Chag
+
+Le 01/10/2010 03:32, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did started to contact some people to find Tier1 mirrors. One question
+</I>&gt;<i> come immediatelly: what will be the size of our mirror tree ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To have an idea I checked the mirror of the current Mandriva cooker and
+</I>&gt;<i> the result make me afraid.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The current cooker tree (RPMS + installer only) is 88GB (SRPMS + i586 +
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64). If I add 3 DVD iso (4GB each) I get around 100GB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This mean at the begining our mirror will be ~80 GB and in 3 years (1
+</I>&gt;<i> release every 6 months) our tree size will be around 700GB !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 700GB is an huge size. I know anyone can buy a 1 TB hard drive for a
+</I>&gt;<i> small price, however this is not the way it works in real datacenter
+</I>&gt;<i> where people take care to the safety of data (RAID1 is two disk). And
+</I>&gt;<i> we have to think to future: what will be the size in 6 years ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The current full Mandriva mirror is more than 1,2 TB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So an immediate question come: should we try to reduce the size ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are solutions, but they implies changes in our development
+</I>&gt;<i> process and have counter parts:
+</I>&gt;<i> - using hardlink between RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> - can be done for noarch inside a release
+</I>&gt;<i> - no resiging packages from cooker to stable at release (rpm changes,
+</I>&gt;<i> any possible hardlink get broken)
+</I>&gt;<i> - do not push -debug: will bother others developers
+</I>&gt;<i> - removing old distro (having another tree for old): this usualy
+</I>&gt;<i> bother people having old distribution still working on some
+</I>&gt;<i> computers, 3 years is not a so long timelife
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So:
+</I>&gt;<i> - is this kind of size an issue ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - do we have to reduce it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - do you have comments/idea about this state ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+&quot;Ca ne marche pas&quot; ne veut rien dire. Alors ne dites rien (ou d&#233;veloppez !)
+&quot;it doesn't work&quot; means nothing. So, say nothing (or say more !)
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did started to contact some people to find Tier1 mirrors. One question
+</I>&gt;<i> come immediatelly: what will be the size of our mirror tree ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To have an idea I checked the mirror of the current Mandriva cooker and
+</I>&gt;<i> the result make me afraid.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The current cooker tree (RPMS + installer only) is 88GB (SRPMS + i586 +
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64). If I add 3 DVD iso (4GB each) I get around 100GB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This mean at the begining our mirror will be ~80 GB and in 3 years (1
+</I>&gt;<i> release every 6 months) our tree size will be around 700GB !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 700GB is an huge size. I know anyone can buy a 1 TB hard drive for a
+</I>&gt;<i> small price, however this is not the way it works in real datacenter
+</I>&gt;<i> where people take care to the safety of data (RAID1 is two disk). And
+</I>&gt;<i> we have to think to future: what will be the size in 6 years ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The current full Mandriva mirror is more than 1,2 TB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So an immediate question come: should we try to reduce the size ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are solutions, but they implies changes in our development
+</I>&gt;<i> process and have counter parts:
+</I>&gt;<i> - using hardlink between RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> - can be done for noarch inside a release
+</I>&gt;<i> - no resiging packages from cooker to stable at release (rpm changes,
+</I>&gt;<i> any possible hardlink get broken)
+</I>&gt;<i> - do not push -debug: will bother others developers
+</I>&gt;<i> - removing old distro (having another tree for old): this usualy
+</I>&gt;<i> bother people having old distribution still working on some
+</I>&gt;<i> computers, 3 years is not a so long timelife
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So:
+</I>&gt;<i> - is this kind of size an issue ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - do we have to reduce it ?
+</I>&gt;<i> - do you have comments/idea about this state ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>Isn't the SVN that uses most of the space? Do we need to have everything back
+to the beginning incl all releases?
+
+--
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+the word &quot;branch&quot; has the meaning &quot;dependent&quot;. So, &quot;fork&quot; is not
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+&gt;<i> Sorry, I once confused the two words &quot;fork&quot; and &quot;branch&quot;. It is
+</I>&gt;<i> difficult to exactly translate the word &quot;fork&quot; into Chinese. Now, I feel
+</I>&gt;<i> that, the word &quot;fork&quot; has the meaning &quot;parallel and independent&quot;, while
+</I>&gt;<i> the word &quot;branch&quot; has the meaning &quot;dependent&quot;. So, &quot;fork&quot; is not
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;branch&quot;. Can the word &quot;fork&quot; be translated into &quot;&#34893;&#29983;
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+IMO, fork: &#34893;&#29983;&#65292;branch: &#20998;&#25903;
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+&gt;<i> Sorry, I once confused the two words &quot;fork&quot; and &quot;branch&quot;. It is difficult to
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly translate the word &quot;fork&quot; into Chinese. Now, I feel that, the word
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;fork&quot; has the meaning &quot;parallel and independent&quot;, while the word &quot;branch&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> has the meaning &quot;dependent&quot;. So, &quot;fork&quot; is not &quot;branch&quot;. Can the word &quot;fork&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> be translated into &quot;&#34893;&#29983;&quot;?
+</I>No. &quot;&#34893;&#29983;&quot; often refers to derivative rather than fork.
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+<PRE>On 1 October 2010 04:30, Thomas Spuhler &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">thomas at btspuhler.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thursday, September 30, 2010 06:32:29 pm Olivier Thauvin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I did started to contact some people to find Tier1 mirrors. One question
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> come immediatelly: what will be the size of our mirror tree ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To have an idea I checked the mirror of the current Mandriva cooker and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the result make me afraid.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The current cooker tree (RPMS + installer only) is 88GB (SRPMS + i586 +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x86_64). If I add 3 DVD iso (4GB each) I get around 100GB.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This mean at the begining our mirror will be ~80 GB and in 3 years (1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release every 6 months) our tree size will be around 700GB !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 700GB is an huge size. I know anyone can buy a 1 TB hard drive for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> small price, however this is not the way it works in real datacenter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where people take care to the safety of data (RAID1 is two disk). And
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we have to think to future: what will be the size in 6 years ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The current full Mandriva mirror is more than 1,2 TB.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So an immediate question come: should we try to reduce the size ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are solutions, but they implies changes in our development
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> process and have counter parts:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - using hardlink between RPM:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; - can be done for noarch inside a release
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; - no resiging packages from cooker to stable at release (rpm changes,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; any possible hardlink get broken)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - do not push -debug: will bother others developers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - removing old distro (having another tree for old): this usualy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; bother people having old distribution still working on some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; computers, 3 years is not a so long timelife
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - is this kind of size an issue ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - do we have to reduce it ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - do you have comments/idea about this state ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i> Isn't the SVN that uses most of the space? Do we need to have everything back
+</I>&gt;<i> to the beginning incl all releases?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+IHMO, SVN (and SRPMS) are more important than binary packages, no
+point keeping a twig and killing the tree it came from, right?
+especially as SVN logs explain why every thing concerning a particular
+package was done in a certain way...
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+2010/9/30 Maurice Batey &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maurice at bcs.org.uk</A>&gt;
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+ <B>futureway at asia.com</B>
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+<PRE>I have no other community now. And this is our community. You and I use
+the same native language -- Chinese, though we use different Chinese
+characters. (I don't mind if you use the traditional Chinse characters,
+and I also can read them because I am interested in ancient books.)
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+&quot;&#20998;&#21449;&quot; can be used as &quot;a fork of a road&quot;, but &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot; is used as &quot;a branch of
+a tree&quot;, right? However, &quot;fork&quot; also has a meaning &quot;branch&quot; in many
+dictionaries. There is another difficult word &quot;hack&quot;, and it is also
+difficult to be exactly translated into Chinese.
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+You can directly modify my Chinese translation (Skiper had sent it to
+the site), or put your Chinese translation on the site's front page. I
+wish to see a Chinese page in the site. :)
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+<PRE>chag skrev 1.10.2010 05:15:
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+[top posting fixed]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 01/10/2010 03:32, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;&gt;<i> The current cooker tree (RPMS + installer only) is 88GB (SRPMS + i586 +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x86_64). If I add 3 DVD iso (4GB each) I get around 100GB.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This mean at the begining our mirror will be ~80 GB and in 3 years (1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release every 6 months) our tree size will be around 700GB !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 700GB is an huge size. I know anyone can buy a 1 TB hard drive for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> small price, however this is not the way it works in real datacenter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> where people take care to the safety of data (RAID1 is two disk). And
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we have to think to future: what will be the size in 6 years ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The current full Mandriva mirror is more than 1,2 TB.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So an immediate question come: should we try to reduce the size ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today, you can find 1To SATA hard disks around 60&#8364; (vat included). I
+</I>&gt;<i> shouldn't be to hard to have too I guess.if there's 100persons on this
+</I>&gt;<i> list, each gives 1.5&#8364; and you are done with the 2x1To hard disks in RAID.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The problem is not the Mageia internal or reference mirror.
+The problem is do we get enough big, fast and reliable mirrors that:
+1. can be a Tier1
+2. want to host that much data
+
+This also affects how many downstream mirrors that want to help,
+as they all ask: &quot;do we want to host another ~1TB or so...&quot;
+
+And without enough good Tier1 mirrors, the few (one?) existing ones will
+be overloaded, and mirroring will take a long time, meaning several
+mirrors will have outdated / not fully synced mirrors -&gt; Mageia gets
+complaints about unreliable mirrors...
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+So it's sure something to think about...
+--
+Thomas
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+ <B>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)</B>
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+<PRE>&#22312; &#36913;&#20116; 01 &#21313;&#26376; 2010 13:57:54&#65292;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">futureway at asia.com</A> &#23531;&#36947;:
+&gt;<i> I have no other community now. And this is our community. You and I use
+</I>&gt;<i> the same native language -- Chinese, though we use different Chinese
+</I>&gt;<i> characters. (I don't mind if you use the traditional Chinse characters,
+</I>&gt;<i> and I also can read them because I am interested in ancient books.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;&#20998;&#21449;&quot; can be used as &quot;a fork of a road&quot;, but &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot; is used as &quot;a branch of
+</I>&gt;<i> a tree&quot;, right? However, &quot;fork&quot; also has a meaning &quot;branch&quot; in many
+</I>&gt;<i> dictionaries. There is another difficult word &quot;hack&quot;, and it is also
+</I>&gt;<i> difficult to be exactly translated into Chinese.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can directly modify my Chinese translation (Skiper had sent it to
+</I>&gt;<i> the site), or put your Chinese translation on the site's front page. I
+</I>&gt;<i> wish to see a Chinese page in the site. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> Lover
+</I>
+&quot;&#34893;&#29983;&quot; may be more like the word &quot;derivative&quot;, but for &quot;fork&quot; here I think the
+meaning is not too far.
+
+I just read again the traditional Chinese translations for the Mageia
+announce. &quot;Forking&quot; here our translators used &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot;. Actually they are all
+almost the same meanings, and I don't think it necessary to use different to
+&quot;tell apart&quot; from them all.
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+BTW, I don't know if it is appropriate to discuss these translations on
+discuss mailing list, or even i18n mailing list, since these discussions are
+for certain langauge. Here in Taiwan we formed a google group for mageia
+Taiwan users for discussing. Maybe you can try to form one too.
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+&gt;<i> chag skrev 1.10.2010 05:15:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This also affects how many downstream mirrors that want to help,
+</I>&gt;<i> as they all ask: &quot;do we want to host another ~1TB or so...&quot;
+</I>
+I wouldn't be surprised if in the long run mirrors currently mirroring
+Mandriva will dump Mandriva and support Mageia instead.
+In that case their space requirements would not change.
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> The current full Mandriva mirror is more than 1,2 TB.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So an immediate question come: should we try to reduce the size ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are solutions, but they implies changes in our development
+</I>&gt;<i> process and have counter parts:
+</I>&gt;<i> - using hardlink between RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> - can be done for noarch inside a release
+</I>
+Should be done.
+
+&gt;<i> - no resiging packages from cooker to stable at release (rpm changes,
+</I>&gt;<i> any possible hardlink get broken)
+</I>
+If we resign the whole tree and relink it &quot;offline&quot;, and then move the
+full tree online, does it still break downstream mirrors ?
+
+&gt;<i> - do not push -debug: will bother others developers
+</I>
+Maybe separated on the mirror so downstream mirrors can choose not to
+mirror it if space is an issue?
+
+&gt;<i> - removing old distro (having another tree for old): this usualy
+</I>&gt;<i> bother people having old distribution still working on some
+</I>&gt;<i> computers, 3 years is not a so long timelife
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If we need to do the &quot;move current -&gt; old&quot; dance, we need to be careful
+so mirrors does not end up resyncing another 100GB every time...
+(IIRC you had complaints about how it was done earlier at Mandriva, so
+ we need to remember those problems)
+
+ANd this of course depends on how many releases/year we do, and for how
+long they are supported.
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+and the whole rolling vs. stable releases discussion.
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+Thomas
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+</I>&gt;<i> would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;a href=&quot;<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os</A> &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os</A>&gt;&quot;target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png</A> &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-twitter.png</A>&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it must be
+</I>&gt;<i> href=&quot;<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org</A> &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_os</A>&gt;&quot;
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+&gt;<i> Hello,
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+</I>&gt;<i> Today, you can find 1To SATA hard disks around 60&#8364; (vat included).
+</I>
+I don't think it works that way. You don't just go to the local shop, buy 2
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+&gt;<i> Isn't the SVN that uses most of the space? Do we need to have everything
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+That's *exacly* the problem, and people fail to open their eyes to
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+&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin skrev 1.10.2010 04:32:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The current full Mandriva mirror is more than 1,2 TB.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So an immediate question come: should we try to reduce the size ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are solutions, but they implies changes in our development
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> process and have counter parts:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - using hardlink between RPM:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - can be done for noarch inside a release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Should be done.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Oh, and this is why I have suggested from time to time to break noarch
+out of arch trees, so:
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+SRPMS
+i586
+x86_64
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+i586
+noarch
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+or given the -debug question even:
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+debug
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+And then add to the Mirroring FAQ (for endusers) that you need noarch in
+addition to the arch you want to mirror.
+
+Of course this means some changes to the upload system
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+Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 03:32:29, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> So an immediate question come: should we try to reduce the size ?
+</I>
+Games are often big packages (~500 Mb of data), and there tends to be more and more of them. Plus, we like to backport the last version to previous distribution releases.
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+I don't suggest to drop games, because to me they are an important part of the repositories, but what about creating a separate repository for games ? Mirrors could choose to mirror it or not, depending on the space they can offer ?
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+&gt;<i> Isn't the SVN that uses most of the space? Do we need to have everything back
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 01 October 2010, Thomas Spuhler wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't the SVN that uses most of the space? Do we need to have everything
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; back to the beginning incl all releases?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's *exacly* the problem, and people fail to open their eyes to
+</I>&gt;<i> alternatives.
+</I>
+Alternatives to the current system ( ie sources in svn ) were discussed
+on maintainers@, but we didn't have to implement them.
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+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 1.10.2010 09:21:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier Thauvin skrev 1.10.2010 04:32:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; The current full Mandriva mirror is more than 1,2 TB.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So an immediate question come: should we try to reduce the size ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; There are solutions, but they implies changes in our development
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; process and have counter parts:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - using hardlink between RPM:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - can be done for noarch inside a release
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Should be done.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh, and this is why I have suggested from time to time to break noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> out of arch trees, so:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> i586
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> would turn into:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> i586
+</I>&gt;<i> noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>
+We can simply do a hardlink for this, so no space is wasted and no need
+to have different directory ( of course, the hardlink must be done maybe
+it is already the case, didn't check ).
+
+&gt;<i> or given the -debug question even:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> debug
+</I>&gt;<i> i586
+</I>&gt;<i> noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 &#224; 08:15 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; chag skrev 1.10.2010 05:15:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This also affects how many downstream mirrors that want to help,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as they all ask: &quot;do we want to host another ~1TB or so...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wouldn't be surprised if in the long run mirrors currently mirroring
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva will dump Mandriva and support Mageia instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> In that case their space requirements would not change.
+</I>
+I hope they will still mirror Mandriva.
+
+And well, mirroring had problem in the past with Mandriva, maybe because
+of such issue ( not only ) so that's not really a good solution.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-01 02:15, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chag skrev 1.10.2010 05:15:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This also affects how many downstream mirrors that want to help,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as they all ask: &quot;do we want to host another ~1TB or so...&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I wouldn't be surprised if in the long run mirrors currently mirroring
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva will dump Mandriva and support Mageia instead.
+</I>&gt;<i> In that case their space requirements would not change.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't think that the mirrors will necessarily drop mirror support for
+Mandriva for Mageia because the Mandriva brand does carry some weight
+and they have not, as of yet' abandoned the developing MandrivaLinux.
+They are still in the server market and have said that their consumer
+product will be carried on as usual.
+
+This is where the marketing of the Mageia brand would maybe make a
+difference. If the stated goals of Mageia are clear and marry well with
+the mirror site philosophies then we could probably convince sites to
+mirror Mageia.
+
+Taking a look at mirror sites, it is evident that the larger mirrors are
+universities and educational institutions. If Mageia goals are to
+construct a linux distro with emphasis on serving the educational needs
+of its users, then this may help in convincing sites to mirror Mageia
+repos. This does not mean that ALL of Mageia would be focused on the
+educational aspect of the distro but the MAIN focus of goals is the
+educational aspect of the distro.
+
+I also agree, that seeing as games take a big chunk of the size of the
+storage considerations, it may be best to establish a mirror distro.
+Mageia could maybe see if another distro would be interested in
+cooperating and pooling resources and help in establishing a mirror
+service solely for games service.
+
+I also helps if some of the devs are university students and they may be
+able to convince their particular university to host a repository. But I
+expect that universities would want to see clear stated objectives of a
+new distro's philosophy before taking on a mirror.
+
+I don't think that we could use the &quot;We are the Mandriva community
+replacement.&quot; argument, as Mandriva has clearly stated that their
+consumer distro will be developed by devs from emerging countries rather
+than in Europe. In fact, this argument itself from Mandriva gives them
+more reason as to why educational institutions may continue to carry
+their mirrors.
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+Would it be enough to convince one university for each country to carry
+a mirror of Mageia at this time? Would this be enough to start of with?
+
+Marc
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+<PRE> Le 01/10/2010 08:14, Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin) a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &#22312; &#36913;&#20116; 01 &#21313;&#26376; 2010 13:57:54&#65292;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">futureway at asia.com</A> &#23531;&#36947;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I have no other community now. And this is our community. You and I use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same native language -- Chinese, though we use different Chinese
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> characters. (I don't mind if you use the traditional Chinse characters,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and I also can read them because I am interested in ancient books.)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;&#20998;&#21449;&quot; can be used as &quot;a fork of a road&quot;, but &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot; is used as &quot;a branch of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a tree&quot;, right? However, &quot;fork&quot; also has a meaning &quot;branch&quot; in many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dictionaries. There is another difficult word &quot;hack&quot;, and it is also
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> difficult to be exactly translated into Chinese.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can directly modify my Chinese translation (Skiper had sent it to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the site), or put your Chinese translation on the site's front page. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wish to see a Chinese page in the site. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Lover
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;&#34893;&#29983;&quot; may be more like the word &quot;derivative&quot;, but for &quot;fork&quot; here I think the
+</I>&gt;<i> meaning is not too far.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just read again the traditional Chinese translations for the Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> announce. &quot;Forking&quot; here our translators used &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot;. Actually they are all
+</I>&gt;<i> almost the same meanings, and I don't think it necessary to use different to
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;tell apart&quot; from them all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, I don't know if it is appropriate to discuss these translations on
+</I>&gt;<i> discuss mailing list, or even i18n mailing list, since these discussions are
+</I>&gt;<i> for certain langauge. Here in Taiwan we formed a google group for mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> Taiwan users for discussing. Maybe you can try to form one too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Franklin
+</I>Isn't that too heavy?
+
+I mean, if the translation is fine enough to be understandable according
+to it's author or authors, can't it be published more simply?
+
+Linux Lover isn't very used to mailing lists yet. Managing a google
+group while he is almost the only one to participate in China is perhaps
+not helping much. So I guess there is no need to block the publishing of
+one translation because of a simple word... it can be fixed later if
+really it is not understandable at all.
+
+...how about a translation for &quot;division&quot; or &quot;split&quot; or &quot;scission&quot; if
+the current word for the fork process really is not that good?
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+<PRE>I've been following closely all the Mandriva vs Mageia story. I found
+it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a
+serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have
+no choice except to cope with this and try to do our best to allow
+this unfortunate situation to found a sensible solution in the future.
+
+As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools,
+however Mandriva tools have some issues :
+- they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think
+that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages.
+However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the
+Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could
+help a little.
+
+- Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except
+PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external
+contributions : They notably lack visibility.
+
+I do think also that Mandriva will have to use its ressources in an
+efficient way.
+
+Here aree my proposals, feel free to discuss :
+
+1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease
+fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to
+have a Mandriva account )
+
+2. Make some decisions about the tools we should keep, and the ones we
+should ... trash. For example we did replace printerdrake with
+system-config-printer ( python ), and msec have been rewritten (
+python ). Whereas I do think that system-config-printer is way buggier
+than printerdrake, I guess that at some points, we will have to do
+this more and more : replace some Mandriva tools with for example some
+Fedora ones. Please note however that this bring its own issues :
+python vs perl, and the integration with the rest of Mandriva
+infrastructure
+
+3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager
+
+4. Whereas I do love rpmdrake, I do think also that something will
+have to be done about it as its UI is clearly outdated and not on par
+with the competition :
+- Ubuntu software center :
+<A HREF="http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/">http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/</A>
+, <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center</A> ,
+<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter</A>
+- iTunes App Store :
+<A HREF="http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html">http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html</A>
+, <A HREF="http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/">http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/</A>
+- Interesting discussion about PackageKit direction :
+<A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A>
+
+So we may have to completely rewrite rpmdrake UI or switch to
+packagekit with and urpmi backend.
+
+5. Junior tasks contributions. I noticed while visiting the
+LibreOffice website. They have junior task for people willing to
+contribute to the codebase, and most of theses junior tasks consist to
+improve code clarity, fix comments. I guess that the same thing could
+be done with Mandriva tools, notably adding perldoc tags/comments.
+
+Last but not least, I know that on Mageia ML, there was a discussion
+about the people we should target. Here are some interesting
+reflexions :
+Sweet Caroline : <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/</A>
+fedoraproject.org redesign update :
+<A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/</A>
+You must be this tall to ride: __ :
+<A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-__/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-__/</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Oh, and this is why I have suggested from time to time to break noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out of arch trees, so:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SRPMS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would turn into:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SRPMS
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i586
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> noarch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We can simply do a hardlink for this, so no space is wasted and no need
+</I>&gt;<i> to have different directory ( of course, the hardlink must be done maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> it is already the case, didn't check ).
+</I>
+Yes, noarch are supposed to be hardlinked already.
+But it could make the upload process simpler to have noarch in a
+separate directory (no need to hardlink to all arches), and genhdlist2
+faster (by splitting out a noarch hdlist).
+
+BTW, we could also consider migrating to a PLF-like tree structure,
+which looks better structured:
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+media/
+ main/
+ release/
+ binary/
+ noarch/
+ arch1/
+ arch2/
+ ...
+ debug/
+ arch1/
+ arch2/
+ ...
+ source/
+ testing/
+ ...
+ updates/
+ ...
+ backports/
+ contrib/
+ ...
+ non-free/
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+&gt;<i> 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease
+</I>&gt;<i> fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to
+</I>&gt;<i> have a Mandriva account )
+</I>
+Why host them externally?
+A self-hosted &quot;forge&quot; is probably better.
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+But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
+because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
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+<PRE>* chag (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">chagam at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Today, you can find 1To SATA hard disks around 60&#8364; (vat included). I
+</I>&gt;<i> shouldn't be to hard to have too I guess.if there's 100persons on this
+</I>&gt;<i> list, each gives 1.5&#8364; and you are done with the 2x1To hard disks in RAID.
+</I>
+If you take into account performance, maintenance and having disk not
+failing into 3 months the price is not just 2x60 &#8364;.
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+A professional sata disk is more around 100&#8364;.
+
+Saying that, the global size Mageia will need is more around 2 or 3 Tera
+if you add BS, SVN, Mirrors, users home, etc...
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+Obiouvsly, managing such size is a bit more complex: you'll need RAID5
+or RAID6, 4 to 6 disks and a computer with enough disk slot.
+
+We cannot manage our server like a desktop if we do not want to be face
+to problem later !
+
+On mirror size the problem is bigger, you have to permanently check you
+have enough disk space and adding 1TB to the current system is not just
+adding a 60&#8364; disk.
+
+You can have a look to the picture at bottom of the distrib-coffee web
+page to understand what I mean:
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/</A>
+Each array cost around 1500&#8364;, but none of them have lost data yet since
+it get installed (5 years ago).
+
+Regards.
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+&gt;<i> Le jeudi 30 septembre 2010 &#224; 19:30 -0700, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isn't the SVN that uses most of the space? Do we need to have everything back
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to the beginning incl all releases?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> Svn is not present on every mirror, so this is not relevant to the
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion, no ?
+</I>
+Svn is not on any mirror. All size I gave only refer to RPMs + installer
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+FYI: current svn size if 500 GB.
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+&gt;<i> Just speaking from the &quot;user&quot; point of view. Let us not lose sight that
+</I>&gt;<i> one of the strong points of Mandriva/Mageia is the use of the MCC.
+</I>&gt;<i> Having all the controls under one title and well integrated is what
+</I>&gt;<i> really distinguishes Mandriva from the other distros. Practically in all
+</I>&gt;<i> of the news items that I have read of Mandriva, they mention the
+</I>&gt;<i> powerful tools at the users' disposal to help in configure/maintain the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva distro, and this type of comment has been going on for years.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope that Mageia would not stray from this tool. Whichever way the
+</I>&gt;<i> devs decide to programme the tools from the back-en does not matter to
+</I>&gt;<i> the user. How easily it is to configure/maintain the distro is what
+</I>&gt;<i> counts to the user and it is quite a strong selling point.
+</I>
+100% agree, let's not destroy one of the most outstanding unique selling
+points of Mandriva/Mageia, the MCC.
+
+Don't fix what ain't broken, let's concentrate on improving it but
+certainly not on replacing it.
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+Somehow I have a feeling this thread will be a deja vu of the rpm vs.
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+&gt;<i> I don't think that the mirrors will necessarily drop mirror support for
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva for Mageia because the Mandriva brand does carry some weight
+</I>&gt;<i> and they have not, as of yet' abandoned the developing MandrivaLinux.
+</I>&gt;<i> They are still in the server market and have said that their consumer
+</I>&gt;<i> product will be carried on as usual.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is where the marketing of the Mageia brand would maybe make a
+</I>&gt;<i> difference. If the stated goals of Mageia are clear and marry well with
+</I>&gt;<i> the mirror site philosophies then we could probably convince sites to
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror Mageia.
+</I>
+This thread has 2 issues, my comment is on the public mirror topic:
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+I had, a couple of months back, a discussion with the group-leader at
+Switch who is responsible for managing the Switch mirror site: the
+Mandriva repositories had all at sudden disappeared from that mirror.
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+I was told that removing Mandriva had been a strategy decision, trying
+to confine the size of the Switch mirror to a &quot;reasonable&quot; size, and
+that the access count to the Mandriva repository did not justify to keep
+it. My private opinion is that Switch - an educational organisation -
+has made a mistake here.
+
+That means that mirror sites do watch
+ - the size of software they keep
+ - the usage of the corresponding mirror
+ - the &quot;relevance&quot; of that software.
+
+It may be a good idea if Mageia initially focuses on getting support
+from some few well-placed mirrors who can be convinced that Mageia is a
+promising &quot;startup&quot; distro and merits goodwill in a pump-priming spirit.
+I guess the language groups could help establishing contacts.
+
+To come back to my Switch experience: I have still good relations with
+their management; at that time, doubts about Mandriva were spreading and
+I did not have the necessary arguments for a discussion at that level.
+This will be different once Mageia is established and has a &quot;good image&quot;
+and a distribution anounced for date xxx. Is it worth while to have a
+small group of &quot;advocates&quot; who are mandated by Mageia to talk to mirror
+sites and discuss which sites to contact? If that helps (and offloads
+the people who do &quot;everything&quot;), I am willing to participate and help).
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+&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin skrev 1.10.2010 04:32:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - no resiging packages from cooker to stable at release (rpm changes,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any possible hardlink get broken)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we resign the whole tree and relink it &quot;offline&quot;, and then move the
+</I>&gt;<i> full tree online, does it still break downstream mirrors ?
+</I>
+After rpm --resign rpm differ between cooker and stable (the signature
+changed). So hardlink between cooker and stable is impossible.
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+Howerver I have a script to redo hardlink, it allow me to win around 10GB
+over the whole mandriva mirror.
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+&gt;<i> If we need to do the &quot;move current -&gt; old&quot; dance, we need to be careful
+</I>&gt;<i> so mirrors does not end up resyncing another 100GB every time...
+</I>&gt;<i> (IIRC you had complaints about how it was done earlier at Mandriva, so
+</I>&gt;<i> we need to remember those problems)
+</I>
+By &quot;old&quot; I mean a different tree mirrors can choose to mirror or not.
+Not moving the distro from a directory to another.
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+In other words this mean archiving the distro and make it removed from
+most of our mirror.
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+&gt;<i> This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> buggy.
+</I>&gt;<i> The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we
+</I>&gt;<i> should ask ourself : are we going to rewrite them, notably the UI, to
+</I>&gt;<i> make them be more 2010, or should we use another tool with another
+</I>&gt;<i> GUI.
+</I>
+Personally I don't see anything wrong with the GUI of the draktools.
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+If imrpoving them means to rewrite them from scratch or replace them
+with inferior tools from other distros, then that would be a big effort
+and/or step backwards just for the estetics.
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+Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me.
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+P.S: cc'ing in both cooker and mageia lists is not a good idea as many
+people are not on both lists so the discussion will just split in two
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+</I>&gt;<i> This thread has 2 issues, my comment is on the public mirror topic:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I had, a couple of months back, a discussion with the group-leader at
+</I>&gt;<i> Switch who is responsible for managing the Switch mirror site: the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva repositories had all at sudden disappeared from that mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was told that removing Mandriva had been a strategy decision, trying
+</I>&gt;<i> to confine the size of the Switch mirror to a &quot;reasonable&quot; size, and
+</I>&gt;<i> that the access count to the Mandriva repository did not justify to keep
+</I>&gt;<i> it. My private opinion is that Switch - an educational organisation -
+</I>&gt;<i> has made a mistake here.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That means that mirror sites do watch
+</I>&gt;<i> - the size of software they keep
+</I>&gt;<i> - the usage of the corresponding mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> - the &quot;relevance&quot; of that software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may be a good idea if Mageia initially focuses on getting support
+</I>&gt;<i> from some few well-placed mirrors who can be convinced that Mageia is a
+</I>&gt;<i> promising &quot;startup&quot; distro and merits goodwill in a pump-priming spirit.
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess the language groups could help establishing contacts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To come back to my Switch experience: I have still good relations with
+</I>&gt;<i> their management; at that time, doubts about Mandriva were spreading and
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not have the necessary arguments for a discussion at that level.
+</I>&gt;<i> This will be different once Mageia is established and has a &quot;good image&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> and a distribution anounced for date xxx. Is it worth while to have a
+</I>&gt;<i> small group of &quot;advocates&quot; who are mandated by Mageia to talk to mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> sites and discuss which sites to contact? If that helps (and offloads
+</I>&gt;<i> the people who do &quot;everything&quot;), I am willing to participate and help).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I think at this point, it is more of who you know personally at a
+potential &quot;mirror site&quot; location that will most likely help out. Mirror
+space is not taken lightly as it normally involves a certain amount of
+strain on the mirror site system. However, in the same breath, if the
+traffic on the mirror does not show enough usage, then it is considered
+a misuse of space and , like you said, in the case of the Switch mirror,
+the mirror is shut down.
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+Plus, if there is still no movement in the Cauldron showing that it is a
+going concern, then most mirror sites will only say to come back to talk
+to us only when you have something to show.
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+Marc
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> buggy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should ask ourself : are we going to rewrite them, notably the UI, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make them be more 2010, or should we use another tool with another
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GUI.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I don't see anything wrong with the GUI of the draktools.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If imrpoving them means to rewrite them from scratch or replace them
+</I>&gt;<i> with inferior tools from other distros, then that would be a big effort
+</I>&gt;<i> and/or step backwards just for the estetics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> P.S: cc'ing in both cooker and mageia lists is not a good idea as many
+</I>&gt;<i> people are not on both lists so the discussion will just split in two
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ooops, Tux99, it also looks like your post has broken the thread on the
+dev side.
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+The thread probably best belongs on the dev mailist.
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> P.S: cc'ing in both cooker and mageia lists is not a good idea as many
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+</I>&gt;<i> Ooops, Tux99, it also looks like your post has broken the thread on the
+</I>&gt;<i> dev side.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The thread probably best belongs on the dev mailist.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Oops again, I thought I was responding on the dev mailist side. How
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+<PRE> Le 01/10/2010 12:38, Fabrice Facorat a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I've been following closely all the Mandriva vs Mageia story. I found
+</I>&gt;<i> it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a
+</I>&gt;<i> serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have
+</I>&gt;<i> no choice except to cope with this and try to do our best to allow
+</I>&gt;<i> this unfortunate situation to found a sensible solution in the future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools,
+</I>&gt;<i> however Mandriva tools have some issues :
+</I>&gt;<i> - they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think
+</I>&gt;<i> that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages.
+</I>&gt;<i> However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could
+</I>&gt;<i> help a little.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except
+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external
+</I>&gt;<i> contributions : They notably lack visibility.
+</I>
+I do agree with this.
+
+&gt;<i> I do think also that Mandriva will have to use its ressources in an
+</I>&gt;<i> efficient way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here aree my proposals, feel free to discuss :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease
+</I>&gt;<i> fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to
+</I>&gt;<i> have a Mandriva account )
+</I>
+Yes. Having their own 'site' and independent platform may help.
+
+&gt;<i> 2. Make some decisions about the tools we should keep, and the ones we
+</I>&gt;<i> should ... trash. For example we did replace printerdrake with
+</I>&gt;<i> system-config-printer ( python ), and msec have been rewritten (
+</I>&gt;<i> python ). Whereas I do think that system-config-printer is way buggier
+</I>&gt;<i> than printerdrake, I guess that at some points, we will have to do
+</I>&gt;<i> this more and more : replace some Mandriva tools with for example some
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora ones. Please note however that this bring its own issues :
+</I>&gt;<i> python vs perl, and the integration with the rest of Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> infrastructure
+</I>
+We need to see what is still functional, what is broken (and so what is
+to repair), and what is to drop. Eventually, what is to support and
+repair again (printerdrake?) if possible.
+
+For what I know, there are many tools that work : RPMDrake and related,
+Drakstats, Diskdrake, Harddrake, DrakX11, Drak3D, DrakUPS, DrakFirewall,
+DrakGuard (wonderful this one) but may networking tools to share network
+or use VPN, Samba, NFS, WebDav, and eventually along with Diskdrake, are
+broken. Others such as Draksnapshot and DrakSamba (not sure if it works
+or not) are a pain due to insufficient functionalities or
+outdated/painful GUI. There is a nice theming functionality in the MCC
+that is also probably broken or difficult to use, that could be restored
+or explained.
+
+&gt;<i> 3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager
+</I>
+Yes, even though I think we should give another chance to NetApplet and
+see what should be fixed to make it better. NetAppler has the advantages
+of being linked to DrakFirewall, perhaps other tools, and to be
+independent of any environment.
+
+&gt;<i> 4. Whereas I do love rpmdrake, I do think also that something will
+</I>&gt;<i> have to be done about it as its UI is clearly outdated and not on par
+</I>&gt;<i> with the competition :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ubuntu software center :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/">http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> , <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center</A> ,
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - iTunes App Store :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html">http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> , <A HREF="http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/">http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Interesting discussion about PackageKit direction :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we may have to completely rewrite rpmdrake UI or switch to
+</I>&gt;<i> packagekit with and urpmi backend.
+</I>
+I still have a very strong faith and appreciation for RPMDrake. I really
+think it is well designed and intuitive, despite it's little issues and
+being slow (honestly, PackageKit is slow and also has issues so...).
+
+The real issue that RPMDrake has is it's Aplications with GUI filter.
+Even if I think this functionalitiy is really good for beginners,
+RPMDrake is a -package- manager. Mandriva does need a real and dedicated
+Application manager (could be called an AppCenter) where beginners would
+find a way to install (shop?) applications with a very nice layout,
+presentation, clear icons, screenshot, and no irritating choice of
+hundreds of dependencies with barbaric names.
+It might be difficult, but much more convenient for those who just want
+things to work in a snap (or in very few clicks).
+
+This would allow to place back again the default filter on &quot;All&quot; (should
+be renamed to &quot;Show all packages&quot;) for the RPMDrake package manager. We
+would then have an AppCenter and a real package manager for advanced
+package management, without forgetting a dedicated tool with GUI to
+manage orphans more efficiently.
+
+Yet, all of this demands a huge lot of work and we will need huge
+resources...
+
+&gt;<i> 5. Junior tasks contributions. I noticed while visiting the
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice website. They have junior task for people willing to
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute to the codebase, and most of theses junior tasks consist to
+</I>&gt;<i> improve code clarity, fix comments. I guess that the same thing could
+</I>&gt;<i> be done with Mandriva tools, notably adding perldoc tags/comments.
+</I>
+Yes. This will help people from outside understand better how the
+program works. Reading the code itself isn't that easy even if it is
+well written.
+
+&gt;<i> Last but not least, I know that on Mageia ML, there was a discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> about the people we should target. Here are some interesting
+</I>&gt;<i> reflexions :
+</I>&gt;<i> Sweet Caroline : <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> fedoraproject.org redesign update :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> You must be this tall to ride: __ :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-_">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-_</A>_
+</I>
+Will read them when I'll find the time to...
+
+Thomas.
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+<PRE>On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
+</I>&gt;<i> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
+</I>&gt;<i> incremental patchsets.
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+It's easier for us developers but more difficult for translators that
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+<PRE>2010/10/1 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">futureway at asia.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I have no other community now. And this is our community. You and I use the
+</I>&gt;<i> same native language -- Chinese, though we use different Chinese characters.
+</I>&gt;<i> (I don't mind if you use the traditional Chinse characters, and I also can
+</I>&gt;<i> read them because I am interested in ancient books.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;&#20998;&#21449;&quot; can be used as &quot;a fork of a road&quot;, but &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot; is used as &quot;a branch of a
+</I>&gt;<i> tree&quot;, right? However, &quot;fork&quot; also has a meaning &quot;branch&quot; in many
+</I>&gt;<i> dictionaries. There is another difficult word &quot;hack&quot;, and it is also
+</I>&gt;<i> difficult to be exactly translated into Chinese.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can directly modify my Chinese translation (Skiper had sent it to the
+</I>&gt;<i> site), or put your Chinese translation on the site's front page. I wish to
+</I>&gt;<i> see a Chinese page in the site. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux Lover
+</I>
+Hello,
+Although some people can read both simplified and traditional Chinese
+characters, there are users who have difficulty reading one of them,
+either simplified or traditional. I suggest no matter in any
+circumstances, we should not use only simplified or traditional
+Chinese translation to present a single &quot;Chinese&quot; page. Since you have
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+<PRE>On 1 October 2010 12:38, Fabrice Facorat &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools,
+</I>&gt;<i> however Mandriva tools have some issues :
+</I>&gt;<i> - they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think
+</I>&gt;<i> that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages.
+</I>
+That's your point of view. Every programmer will have its own POV.
+Thus this is a void argument.
+
+I think an higher language makes the entry barrier smaller for new programmers:
+- real algorithms are not in hidden/drown malloc/free spagetti
+- no memory bugs
+- no security issues b/c of poorly thinked/coded memory management
+
+What's more, with ugtk2 &amp; mygtk2 it's easy to express a complex GUI
+with a compact
+&amp; powerfull dialect which would need 10 times more code to do in C
+
+&gt;<i> However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could
+</I>&gt;<i> help a little.
+</I>
+More doc would be better indeed.
+
+&gt;<i> - Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except
+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external
+</I>&gt;<i> contributions : They notably lack visibility.
+</I>
+void argument: SUSE tools (yast, ...) are only used on SUSE, and the like
+
+&gt;<i> I do think also that Mandriva will have to use its ressources in an
+</I>&gt;<i> efficient way.
+</I>
+In the hand, some users will think about us as just as rh or debian,
+just packaged by themselves.
+We would just remove what makes us different, loosing users.
+
+&gt;<i> 5. Junior tasks contributions. I noticed while visiting the
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice website. They have junior task for people willing to
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute to the codebase, and most of theses junior tasks consist to
+</I>&gt;<i> improve code clarity, fix comments. I guess that the same thing could
+</I>&gt;<i> be done with Mandriva tools, notably adding perldoc tags/comments.
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010, Fabrice Facorat wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is about making some decisions about some tools. Some of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva tools have outdate UI, cluttered UI and even are sometimes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> buggy.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The situation persists since many years already, so at some point we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should ask ourself : are we going to rewrite them, notably the UI, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make them be more 2010, or should we use another tool with another
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GUI.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I don't see anything wrong with the GUI of the draktools.
+</I>
+there's many things wrong. Just try Wndows 7 or Windows 2008 R2 tools
+<A HREF="http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/win2008r2/themes">http://www.win2008r2workstation.com/win2008r2/themes</A>
+<A HREF="http://learn.iis.net/page.aspx/29/installing-iis-7-on-windows-server-2008-or-windows-server-2008-r2/">http://learn.iis.net/page.aspx/29/installing-iis-7-on-windows-server-2008-or-windows-server-2008-r2/</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.verboon.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/2010061520h01_291.png">http://www.verboon.info/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/2010061520h01_291.png</A>
+<A HREF="http://4sysops.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/windows-server-2008-r2-bpa.png">http://4sysops.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/windows-server-2008-r2-bpa.png</A>
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+&gt;<i> If imrpoving them means to rewrite them from scratch or replace them
+</I>&gt;<i> with inferior tools from other distros, then that would be a big effort
+</I>&gt;<i> and/or step backwards just for the estetics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me.
+</I>
+again you're somewhat wrong
+
+iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but
+they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about
+appearance ) and so are successful.
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+&gt;<i> On 1 October 2010 12:38, Fabrice Facorat &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> however Mandriva tools have some issues :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's your point of view. Every programmer will have its own POV.
+</I>&gt;<i> Thus this is a void argument.
+</I>
+sure, but I do think that people learing programming langages, notably
+at school/university, first learn C-based langages ( C, C++, java,
+PHP, .Net ), and so are more used to theses kinds of structures/syntax
+
+&gt;<i> I think an higher language makes the entry barrier smaller for new programmers:
+</I>&gt;<i> - real algorithms are not in hidden/drown malloc/free spagetti
+</I>&gt;<i> - no memory bugs
+</I>&gt;<i> - no security issues b/c of poorly thinked/coded memory management
+</I>
+I did talk about C-like syntax langages. For example mono, php, java, python.
+Ypu know having things like : if-then-else
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+&gt;<i> What's more, with ugtk2 &amp; mygtk2 it's easy to express a complex GUI
+</I>&gt;<i> with a compact
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; powerfull dialect which would need 10 times more code to do in C
+</I>
+I did look several times at ugtk2/mygtk2 :
+- new dialect to learn
+- issues in the predefined widgets
+- syntax ( notably arg list ) hard to grasp, especially as there's no doc
+
+I did try several time to fix some tools, and even some wizards. But
+it was damn hard to read the code, understand it, grasp ugtk2/mygtk2
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+&gt;&gt;<i> However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> help a little.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> More doc would be better indeed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contributions : They notably lack visibility.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> void argument: SUSE tools (yast, ...) are only used on SUSE, and the like
+</I>
+indeed. But Suse have Novell behind with more money and dev than you.
+
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> again you're somewhat wrong
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but
+</I>&gt;<i> they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about
+</I>&gt;<i> appearance ) and so are successful.
+</I>
+If you are swayed by such arguments, you should be using Windows which has a
+much better marketing than Linux.
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+Cheers,
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+Ron.
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+ <B>Fabrice Facorat</B>
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+<PRE>2010/10/1 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 01 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;from Fabrice Facorat &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabrice.facorat at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Substance counts a lot more than appearance to me.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> again you're somewhat wrong
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> iPod and iPhones are inferirors products technically speaking, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they have better appearance ( good marketing, which is about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appearance ) and so are successful.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you are swayed by such arguments, you should be using Windows which has a
+</I>&gt;<i> much better marketing than Linux.
+</I>
+live in you own world.
+Can you read what i wrote ?
+
+1. I do say that appearance is important
+2. you can have substance, but you need appearance too
+3. I do use linux all time on my computer, make 60 people work on
+Linux Mandriva at work, do Linux classroom and formations to other
+people and I do prefer an android phone than an iphone
+4. whereas you have your preferences, you have also to look at the
+other people, in fact ... 14% of Mobiles users ( iPhone ), and 80% of
+computer users ... Andro&#239;d is successful because they manage to have
+the substance and the appearance.
+
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+--
+Close the World, Open the Net
+<A HREF="http://www.linux-wizard.net">http://www.linux-wizard.net</A>
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+<PRE> On 01/10/10 15:03, Thierry Vignaud wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> incremental patchsets.
+</I>&gt;<i> It's easier for us developers but more difficult for translators that
+</I>&gt;<i> learned to use SVN (which was easy for them to swtich from CVS since
+</I>&gt;<i> the commands were similar)
+</I>
+Well, I don't think GIT (or Mercurial) would be a problem for most of
+us. Yes, probably for some, but those are the same who don't want to
+understand SVN or have a clue about translation tools.
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+&gt;<i> On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> incremental patchsets.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's easier for us developers but more difficult for translators that
+</I>&gt;<i> learned to use SVN (which was easy for them to swtich from CVS since
+</I>&gt;<i> the commands were similar)
+</I>
+Translators should not even have to see the underlying VCS, it's
+probably easier with something like transifex or pootle
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+&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> incremental patchsets.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's easier for us developers but more difficult for translators that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> learned to use SVN (which was easy for them to swtich from CVS since
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the commands were similar)
+</I>&gt;<i> Translators should not even have to see the underlying VCS, it's
+</I>&gt;<i> probably easier with something like transifex or pootle
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Not all us are fans of platforms like Transifex and Pootle... ;-)
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+ <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> If you are swayed by such arguments, you should be using Windows which has a
+</I>&gt;<i> much better marketing than Linux.
+</I>
+We must accept that Microsoft and Apple know very very well how to
+sell their self.
+
+We can do all the &quot;bla bla bla&quot; (linux is better, linux is free, etc),
+but MS and Apple still are lightyears beyond us in terms of marketing
+and sales.
+
+Even if you don't like what I'm going to write, we must learn
+&quot;Marketing 101&quot; from them.
+
+They want money. They want sales. They invest a lot in make their
+appearance fabulous and in develop &quot;wizards&quot; to help &quot;supid people&quot; to
+do tasks. Why to do that if it's not important? Why Windows 7 doesn't
+look like Windows 95? Why people can do everything with the mouse
+only? clik clik clik, next next next.
+
+I'll tell you why: because people like beautiful desktops. You can
+have sh*t of OS, but you put a nice GUI on top and people will love
+it.
+
+Same way if you put the sweetest marmalade in an ugly and dirty
+package. And you also put some dog sh*t in the most beautiful
+packaging, with a nice ribbon.
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+Ask them &quot;please, pick one&quot;. Which one do you think people will pick first?
+
+Yes, the important thing is the delicious marmalade inside and not the
+packaging. But how will you make people to find the marmalade if they
+don't even want to take the pack?
+
+Same way, if I tell you &quot;go to floor 130&quot;. And you can choose between
+go by stairs or go in elevator. Call me lazy, but I'll go in elevator.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+ <B>Olivier Blin</B>
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+<PRE>Olav Dahlum &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">odahlum at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
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+&gt;<i> On 01/10/10 15:43, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thierry Vignaud &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">thierry.vignaud at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On 1 October 2010 12:52, Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But actually, just moving to git could make contributions easier,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> because of the ability for developpers to commit locally, and push
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> incremental patchsets.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It's easier for us developers but more difficult for translators that
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> learned to use SVN (which was easy for them to swtich from CVS since
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the commands were similar)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Translators should not even have to see the underlying VCS, it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> probably easier with something like transifex or pootle
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not all us are fans of platforms like Transifex and Pootle... ;-)
+</I>
+Then you still have the underlying VCS :)
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+&gt;<i> Could we try to avoid cross postings. It is very inefficient.
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+</I>&gt;<i> There are two threads now that are cross posting and it is doubling the amount
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+</I>&gt;<i> of reading for nothing. For those 2 threads, could we just pick either the dev
+</I>&gt;<i> or user and go from there?
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+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
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+</I>I agree, and maybe someone can remind how to reply to lists, without top posting
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+It's really difficult to follow you guys :/
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+&gt;<i>After rpm --resign rpm differ between cooker and stable (the signature
+</I>&gt;<i>changed). So hardlink between cooker and stable is impossible.
+</I>
+Is this only due to the fact that stable has a different key than Cooker?
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+&gt;<i>Is this only due to the fact that stable has a different key than Cooker?
+</I>
+Stupid. Dependencies are different.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Same way if you put the sweetest marmalade in an ugly and dirty
+</I>&gt;<i> package. And you also put some dog sh*t in the most beautiful
+</I>&gt;<i> packaging, with a nice ribbon.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ask them &quot;please, pick one&quot;. Which one do you think people will pick first?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You're overlooking that fact that if you are a commercial enterprise you
+can pay people to tie ribbons around dogsh*t, but you'll find very few
+community contributors who are willing to do that for their own
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+<PRE>Op vrijdag 01 oktober 2010 09:28:28 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+&gt;<i> Thomas Backlund skrev 1.10.2010 09:21:
+</I>[...]
+&gt;<i> SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> debug
+</I>&gt;<i> i586
+</I>&gt;<i> noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> And then add to the Mirroring FAQ (for endusers) that you need noarch in
+</I>&gt;<i> addition to the arch you want to mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course this means some changes to the upload system
+</I>&gt;<i> (installer / mirror manager should be simple as they read media.cfg)
+</I>
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+actually, imo, noarch could be a real savior. i see that quite some packages
+are i586 on mandriva, but in reality could be made noarch.
+
+also, i notice that if there is a small fix somewhere, alot of dependant
+package are being rebuilt. disregarding packaging requirements and version
+update, there is no real requirement.
+
+it would make things complex, but either we could take a look at some way of
+having dependant package able to use the older versions. Or even more complex,
+a sort of meta-package that holds no content, only a version nr and a referral
+to the previous version. (imo, this would make it far too complex, thought)
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+&gt;<i> actually, imo, noarch could be a real savior. i see that quite some packages
+</I>&gt;<i> are i586 on mandriva, but in reality could be made noarch.
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+Especially since the BS can now cope with noarch sub-packages from
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+This is a simplistic design is only the first prototype, any suggestion is
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+ <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people. But
+these 3 persons are looking to different places. They are giving the
+back to each other.
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+Of course, my feedback is really subjective.
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+Cheers!
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+&gt;<i> The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people.
+</I>
+The first feeling was a comparison to a biohazard icon. Then, I started
+to find out the true meaning of the symbols used.
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+PS Again: Do we really need to have a discussion here over every single
+logo proposal in a separate thread? Why not to keep them in the original
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+<PRE>&gt;<i>From one perspective (overhead view) can be interpreted as three people with
+</I>magic hat, or three wise men.
+
+The main idea rather, was placed 5 circles representing the 5 continents,
+but I found that with a design of 3 circles, get a much more harmonious.
+
+Best Regards!
+
+2010/10/1 Gustavo Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people. But
+</I>&gt;<i> these 3 persons are looking to different places. They are giving the
+</I>&gt;<i> back to each other.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, my feedback is really subjective.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
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+</I>&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> PS Again: Do we really need to have a discussion here over every single logo
+</I>&gt;<i> proposal in a separate thread? Why not to keep them in the original one?
+</I>
+True. We all could leave our feedback in each logo's page, at Flickr.
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 1 Oct 2010 14:41:10 +0000, Dick Gevers wrote about Re:
+</I>&gt;<i> [Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size:
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;Is this only due to the fact that stable has a different key than Cooker?
+</I>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Stupid. Dependencies are different.
+</I>
+Of course this gain can only affect not updated packages, but we also
+try to rebuild everything during release cycle, making rpm differents.
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+release time since at this time the new stable equal cooker and then all
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+<PRE>This is an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design, however,
+the symbol which is the basis for my design and apparently also for the
+biohazard symbol, is an esoteric symbol, an ancient magical symbol that insert
+is the base where the 3 circles.
+
+Best regards.
+
+2010/10/1 Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amfidiusz at gmail.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-10-01 17:24, Gustavo Giampaoli pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The first feeling was a comparison to a biohazard icon. Then, I started to
+</I>&gt;<i> find out the true meaning of the symbols used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> PS Again: Do we really need to have a discussion here over every single
+</I>&gt;<i> logo proposal in a separate thread? Why not to keep them in the original
+</I>&gt;<i> one?
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+<PRE>2010/10/1 Egner Quero &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">legnerquero at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> This is an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design,
+</I>
+<A HREF="http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=">http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=</A>
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+<PRE>I left the proposal in the group mageia with their respective comments, the
+image of mageia, is also very important to consider doing so publicly in
+this way.
+
+Best regards!
+
+2010/10/1 Egner Quero &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">legnerquero at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> This is an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design,
+</I>&gt;<i> however, the symbol which is the basis for my design and apparently also for
+</I>&gt;<i> the biohazard symbol, is an esoteric symbol, an ancient magical symbol that insert
+</I>&gt;<i> is the base where the 3 circles.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/1 Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amfidiusz at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-10-01 17:24, Gustavo Giampaoli pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The first thing I felt is that the small circles are like people.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The first feeling was a comparison to a biohazard icon. Then, I started to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> find out the true meaning of the symbols used.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> PS Again: Do we really need to have a discussion here over every single
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> logo proposal in a separate thread? Why not to keep them in the original
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>ok the basis for design is an ancient symbol of magic, no longer original
+logo mandriva to bring the image of a star? Of course not ...
+
+this is a symbol as old as the symbol of a star:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041488891/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041488891/</A>
+
+Escribe texto o la direcci&#243;n de un sitio web o traduce un
+documento&lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.co.ve/?tr=f&amp;hl=es">http://translate.google.co.ve/?tr=f&amp;hl=es</A>&gt;
+.
+Cancelar &lt;<A HREF="http://translate.google.co.ve/?tr=t&amp;hl=es">http://translate.google.co.ve/?tr=t&amp;hl=es</A>&gt;
+I do not think it is so difficult for you to understand that
+
+please try to find it before making comments without having sufficient
+knowledge about it, besides everyone here just want to contribute. why
+sacrifice some of our time.
+Escuchar
+Leer fon&#233;ticamente
+
+
+
+
+2010/10/1 Gustavo Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/1 Egner Quero &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">legnerquero at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=">http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir wrote on 09/28/2010 12:42 PM:
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+</I>&gt;<i> At what point will it/is it forked? I mean like from which version of
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+Marcello Anni wrote on 09/29/2010 05:13 AM:
+&gt;<i> choose the logo and the pay-off.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+ <B>Wayne Sallee</B>
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+&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia2.jpg">http://www.mageia-za.org/mageia2.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nice teaser there. all we get now is a 404 not found. :-)
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>2010/10/1 Egner Quero &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">legnerquero at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> ok the basis for design is an ancient symbol of magic, no longer original
+</I>&gt;<i> logo mandriva to bring the image of a star? Of course not ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> this is a symbol as old as the symbol of a star:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041488891/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54456595@N07/5041488891/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Escribe texto o la direcci&#243;n de un sitio web o traduce un documento.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cancelar
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not think it is so difficult for you to understand that
+</I>&gt;<i> please try to find it before making comments without having sufficient
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge about it, besides everyone here just want to contribute. why
+</I>&gt;<i> sacrifice some of our time.
+</I>&gt;<i> Escuchar
+</I>&gt;<i> Leer fon&#233;ticamente
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/1 Gustavo Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/1 Egner Quero &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">legnerquero at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This is an original design, I had not seen before biohazard design,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=">http://www.google.com.ar/images?hl=es&amp;source=imghp&amp;biw=1600&amp;bih=809&amp;q=biohazard+logo&amp;gbv=2&amp;aq=1&amp;aqi=g10&amp;aql=&amp;oq=biohaz&amp;gs_rfai=</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+What about this?
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54399945@N03/5038864075/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54399945@N03/5038864075/</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, we could also consider migrating to a PLF-like tree structure,
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Oct 2010, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; BTW, we could also consider migrating to a PLF-like tree structure,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which looks better structured:
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like a nice tree structure.
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+Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; napisa&#322;(a):
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did started to contact some people to find Tier1 mirrors. One
+</I>&gt;<i> question come immediatelly: what will be the size of our mirror tree ?
+</I>
+
+I'll try to ask my ISP(also my emplyer) which holds <A HREF="http://ftp.tpnet.pl/">http://ftp.tpnet.pl/</A>
+to be a primary mirror.
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+Quote: atilla ontas wrote on Fri, 01 October 2010 13:13
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about this?
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+<PRE>Wonderful, I like :-)
+
+2010/10/1 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;
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+</I>&gt;<i> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
+</I>&gt;<i> Organization: Mageia ML Gateway Test Forum
+</I>&gt;<i> In-Reply-To: &lt;AANLkTimCV4qB-VHXFucJZv9yR2CcRQqYD7Hov47=<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">VC50 at mail.gmail.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> X-FUDforum: eae8679fe7e063970a19bc3823dcb4e1 &lt;15&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Message-ID: &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">f.4ca61b1a at mageia.linuxtech.net</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: atilla ontas wrote on Fri, 01 October 2010 13:13
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What about this?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+nicolas vigier &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">boklm at mars-attacks.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, 01 Oct 2010, Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; BTW, we could also consider migrating to a PLF-like tree structure,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which looks better structured:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It looks like a nice tree structure.
+</I>Or like a triskell
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 12:46:36, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Oh, and this is why I have suggested from time to time to break noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; out of arch trees, so:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would turn into:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can simply do a hardlink for this, so no space is wasted and no need
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to have different directory ( of course, the hardlink must be done maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is already the case, didn't check ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, noarch are supposed to be hardlinked already.
+</I>&gt;<i> But it could make the upload process simpler to have noarch in a
+</I>&gt;<i> separate directory (no need to hardlink to all arches), and genhdlist2
+</I>&gt;<i> faster (by splitting out a noarch hdlist).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, we could also consider migrating to a PLF-like tree structure,
+</I>&gt;<i> which looks better structured:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> media/
+</I>&gt;<i> main/
+</I>&gt;<i> release/
+</I>&gt;<i> binary/
+</I>&gt;<i> noarch/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch1/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch2/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> debug/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch1/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch2/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> source/
+</I>&gt;<i> testing/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> updates/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> backports/
+</I>&gt;<i> contrib/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+What is the difference between main and contrib ? I mean, it was a
+understandable for Mandriva, main was rpms &quot;guaranteed&quot; by Mandriva while
+contrib was not. But now, with a project like mageia there is no longer need
+to separate main from contrib
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+Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt; a &#233;crit:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What is the difference between main and contrib ? I mean, it was a
+</I>&gt;<i> understandable for Mandriva, main was rpms &quot;guaranteed&quot; by Mandriva while
+</I>&gt;<i> contrib was not. But now, with a project like mageia there is no longer need
+</I>&gt;<i> to separate main from contrib
+</I>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW, we could also consider migrating to a PLF-like tree structure,
+</I>&gt;<i> which looks better structured:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> media/
+</I>&gt;<i> main/
+</I>&gt;<i> release/
+</I>&gt;<i> binary/
+</I>&gt;<i> noarch/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch1/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch2/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> debug/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch1/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch2/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> source/
+</I>&gt;<i> testing/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> updates/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> backports/
+</I>&gt;<i> contrib/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is a nice layout
+
+--
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> What is the difference between main and contrib ? I mean, it was a
+</I>&gt;<i> understandable for Mandriva, main was rpms &quot;guaranteed&quot; by Mandriva while
+</I>&gt;<i> contrib was not. But now, with a project like mageia there is no longer need
+</I>&gt;<i> to separate main from contrib
+</I>
+Maybe you could have a &quot;core&quot; repo. Core will be the packages for a
+bare distro. The completely naked basic distro. Kind of Mageia +
+drakes + drivers + basic desktop. Not any &quot;regular&quot; application like
+GIMP. Pretty basic.
+
+This core must be managed / touched / modified / updated only by a
+&quot;selected&quot; group of developers. Because this core would be the spine
+of the whole distro, the naked OS. This would ensure the stability of
+the system because only pros and / or well
+experienced-with--enough-merits developers will touch the system guts.
+
+And you could have other repo for all the rest of the software.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
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+<PRE>* Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">phenomenal at wp.pl</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Dnia 2010-10-01, o godz. 03:32:29
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; napisa&#322;(a):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I did started to contact some people to find Tier1 mirrors. One
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; question come immediatelly: what will be the size of our mirror tree ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll try to ask my ISP(also my emplyer) which holds <A HREF="http://ftp.tpnet.pl/">http://ftp.tpnet.pl/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> to be a primary mirror.
+</I>
+You can ask but I do think it is a bit too early.
+
+I didn't took time to explain the plan for mirror but will do this
+week-end.
+
+The harder work is to find Tier1 mirrors, eg mirrors syncing directly
+from our server. They should:
+- provide rsync server
+- provide the full tree (even it is big)
+- being able to reply quickly in case of problem
+- still able to provide the service in few years
+
+When theses mirrors will be found it will possible to setup others
+mirrors.
+
+However, if ftp.tpnet.pl can do this, feel free to ask. Expected tree
+size: 700GB, expected average bandwidth: 40mbs/s.
+
+At time only distrib-coffee has been elected to be Tier1 :)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> TPG
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> ---
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 03:13:02PM +0300, Mihai Dobrescu wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> And this is the result :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464618/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Black and white version :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/54217230@N05/5021464608/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When I first looked at it again, it made me think of this picture :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg">http://www.asdfing.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/facts_about_leonardo_da_vinci.jpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately, as it is very simple in its design, I fear there is a
+</I>&gt;<i> high chance that a similar logo exists as well, sorry if it&#8217;s the case
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope you like this idea, feedback would be very welcome :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>What I feared came to me actually sooner than I expected :
+
+I just saw an ad on TV for hyperassur, I just let your curiosity find
+how its logo look like. All in all my logo attempt is not that close to
+this one, but the underlying principle is quite the same I think, not
+something that could knock out this attempt tho&#8217; IMHO
+
+Regards,
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 1 octobre 2010 20:28:56, Gustavo Giampaoli a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; What is the difference between main and contrib ? I mean, it was a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; understandable for Mandriva, main was rpms &quot;guaranteed&quot; by Mandriva while
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contrib was not. But now, with a project like mageia there is no longer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need to separate main from contrib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you could have a &quot;core&quot; repo. Core will be the packages for a
+</I>&gt;<i> bare distro. The completely naked basic distro. Kind of Mageia +
+</I>&gt;<i> drakes + drivers + basic desktop. Not any &quot;regular&quot; application like
+</I>&gt;<i> GIMP. Pretty basic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This core must be managed / touched / modified / updated only by a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;selected&quot; group of developers. Because this core would be the spine
+</I>&gt;<i> of the whole distro, the naked OS. This would ensure the stability of
+</I>&gt;<i> the system because only pros and / or well
+</I>&gt;<i> experienced-with--enough-merits developers will touch the system guts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And you could have other repo for all the rest of the software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So following that way, let's name core the media containing the core of the
+system and ... well ... non-core the rest (keeping also non-free)
+
+Maybe before talking about mirror size it could be nice to think about how
+will mageia deal with rpms, core and non-core, how to include new software.
+This last point is important if using fixed release since in Mandriva there was
+no repo for newly added software (eg if mysupersoft was released after
+Mandriva 2010 there was no repo to include it, maybe backport, what's lead to
+create third part repos)
+
+--
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+&gt;<i>What is the difference between main and contrib ? I mean, it was a
+</I>&gt;<i>understandable for Mandriva, main was rpms &quot;guaranteed&quot; by Mandriva while
+</I>&gt;<i>contrib was not. But now, with a project like mageia there is no longer
+</I>&gt;<i>need to separate main from contrib
+</I>
+Why not? If I were an official-release-user I'd want security updates to be
+ensured as much on Mageia as on Mandriva. Are we now suddenly able to
+guarantee that for all of ex-contrib in main? Or do we leave security
+updates out of Mageia? I'd hope not.
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+Cheers,
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+&gt;<i> &gt; What is the difference between main and contrib ? I mean, it was a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; understandable for Mandriva, main was rpms &quot;guaranteed&quot; by Mandriva while
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contrib was not. But now, with a project like mageia there is no longer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need to separate main from contrib
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you could have a &quot;core&quot; repo. Core will be the packages for a
+</I>&gt;<i> bare distro. The completely naked basic distro. Kind of Mageia +
+</I>&gt;<i> drakes + drivers + basic desktop. Not any &quot;regular&quot; application like
+</I>&gt;<i> GIMP. Pretty basic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This core must be managed / touched / modified / updated only by a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;selected&quot; group of developers. Because this core would be the spine
+</I>&gt;<i> of the whole distro, the naked OS. This would ensure the stability of
+</I>&gt;<i> the system because only pros and / or well
+</I>&gt;<i> experienced-with--enough-merits developers will touch the system guts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And you could have other repo for all the rest of the software.
+</I>
+I think it is good to have that priority clearly stated like that, so the most
+important parts are given most care.
+
+It is also easy to just grab what is most important.
+
+And Yes it looks like a nice structure on PLF
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+<PRE>Dnia 2010-10-01, o godz. 20:41:39
+Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; napisa&#322;(a):
+
+&gt;<i> * Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">phenomenal at wp.pl</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Dnia 2010-10-01, o godz. 03:32:29
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; napisa&#322;(a):
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I did started to contact some people to find Tier1 mirrors. One
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; question come immediatelly: what will be the size of our mirror
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; tree ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'll try to ask my ISP(also my emplyer) which holds
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://ftp.tpnet.pl/">http://ftp.tpnet.pl/</A> to be a primary mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can ask but I do think it is a bit too early.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ofcourse i will ask.
+
+&gt;<i> I didn't took time to explain the plan for mirror but will do this
+</I>&gt;<i> week-end.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The harder work is to find Tier1 mirrors, eg mirrors syncing directly
+</I>&gt;<i> from our server. They should:
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide rsync server
+</I>&gt;<i> - provide the full tree (even it is big)
+</I>&gt;<i> - being able to reply quickly in case of problem
+</I>&gt;<i> - still able to provide the service in few years
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When theses mirrors will be found it will possible to setup others
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, if ftp.tpnet.pl can do this, feel free to ask. Expected tree
+</I>&gt;<i> size: 700GB, expected average bandwidth: 40mbs/s.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At time only distrib-coffee has been elected to be Tier1 :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Regards
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; TPG
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://cia.vc/stats/author/tpg">http://cia.vc/stats/author/tpg</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ---
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+
+
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+TPG
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+instead of Bugbuddy.
+
+If that's not possible, then redo Bugbuddy to behave like Apport that
+gathers log-files better &amp; creates bugreports in a better way.
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+ <B>Adrian Marcinkowski</B>
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+<PRE>W dniu 2010-10-01 18:00, Egner Quero pisze:
+&gt;<i> this is a symbol as old as the symbol of a star:
+</I>&gt;<i> please try to find it before making comments without having sufficient
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge about it
+</I>
+Hey, I'm not saying it's not an ancient symbol. I'm not saying it does
+not represent magic. I'm just giving my opinion on what was the first
+thing in my mind after seeing that proposal. Do not expect users to run
+extensive research in order to just find out what the logo stands for.
+The image has to be clear at the first sight.
+Besides, what have you expected while writing this post if you can't
+handle some critic?
+
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+<PRE> Le 01/10/2010 12:38, Fabrice Facorat a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I've been following closely all the Mandriva vs Mageia story. I found
+</I>&gt;<i> it unfortunate that we have to come to this way, but I guess there's a
+</I>&gt;<i> serious fracture between Mandriva and part of its community. We have
+</I>&gt;<i> no choice except to cope with this and try to do our best to allow
+</I>&gt;<i> this unfortunate situation to found a sensible solution in the future.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As we know, one of the Mandriva strenght are the Mandriva tools,
+</I>&gt;<i> however Mandriva tools have some issues :
+</I>&gt;<i> - they are written in perl. Sorry for perl dev, but I do still think
+</I>&gt;<i> that perl is harder to understand than C-like based syntax langages.
+</I>&gt;<i> However we must admit that we are not going to rewrite all the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva tools ;-) However better documentation ( PerlDoc tags ) could
+</I>&gt;<i> help a little.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Mandriva tools are not used by others distributions ( except
+</I>&gt;<i> PCLinuxOS, United Linux, and ... Mageia ) and so have few external
+</I>&gt;<i> contributions : They notably lack visibility.
+</I>
+I do agree with this.
+
+&gt;<i> I do think also that Mandriva will have to use its ressources in an
+</I>&gt;<i> efficient way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here aree my proposals, feel free to discuss :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. host Mandriva tools on github or code.google.com. This will ease
+</I>&gt;<i> fork maintenance and tracking, to contribute back ( without having to
+</I>&gt;<i> have a Mandriva account )
+</I>
+Yes. Having their own 'site' and independent platform may help.
+
+&gt;<i> 2. Make some decisions about the tools we should keep, and the ones we
+</I>&gt;<i> should ... trash. For example we did replace printerdrake with
+</I>&gt;<i> system-config-printer ( python ), and msec have been rewritten (
+</I>&gt;<i> python ). Whereas I do think that system-config-printer is way buggier
+</I>&gt;<i> than printerdrake, I guess that at some points, we will have to do
+</I>&gt;<i> this more and more : replace some Mandriva tools with for example some
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora ones. Please note however that this bring its own issues :
+</I>&gt;<i> python vs perl, and the integration with the rest of Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> infrastructure
+</I>
+We need to see what is still functional, what is broken (and so what is
+to repair), and what is to drop. Eventually, what is to support and
+repair again (printerdrake?) if possible.
+
+For what I know, there are many tools that work : RPMDrake and related,
+Drakstats, Diskdrake, Harddrake, DrakX11, Drak3D, DrakUPS, DrakFirewall,
+DrakGuard (wonderful this one) but may networking tools to share network
+or use VPN, Samba, NFS, WebDav, and eventually along with Diskdrake, are
+broken. Others such as Draksnapshot and DrakSamba (not sure if it works
+or not) are a pain due to insufficient functionalities or
+outdated/painful GUI. There is a nice theming functionality in the MCC
+that is also probably broken or difficult to use, that could be restored
+or explained.
+
+&gt;<i> 3. A decision will have to be made concerning net_applet and NetworkManager
+</I>
+Yes, even though I think we should give another chance to NetApplet and
+see what should be fixed to make it better. NetAppler has the advantages
+of being linked to DrakFirewall, perhaps other tools, and to be
+independent of any environment.
+
+&gt;<i> 4. Whereas I do love rpmdrake, I do think also that something will
+</I>&gt;<i> have to be done about it as its UI is clearly outdated and not on par
+</I>&gt;<i> with the competition :
+</I>&gt;<i> - Ubuntu software center :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/">http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2010/09/software-center-with-a-dose-of-zeitgeist-and-maybe-teamgeist/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> , <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Software_Center</A> ,
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - iTunes App Store :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html">http://www.askdavetaylor.com/how_to_download_iphone_apps_from_apple_itunes_store.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> , <A HREF="http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/">http://cybernetnews.com/download-iphone-firmware-20-itunes-77-app-store-and-more/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Interesting discussion about PackageKit direction :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/01/a-story-about-updates-and-people/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we may have to completely rewrite rpmdrake UI or switch to
+</I>&gt;<i> packagekit with and urpmi backend.
+</I>
+I still have a very strong faith and appreciation for RPMDrake. I really
+think it is well designed and intuitive, despite it's little issues and
+being slow (honestly, PackageKit is slow and also has issues so...).
+
+The real issue that RPMDrake has is it's Aplications with GUI filter.
+Even if I think this functionalitiy is really good for beginners,
+RPMDrake is a -package- manager. Mandriva does need a real and dedicated
+Application manager (could be called an AppCenter) where beginners would
+find a way to install (shop?) applications with a very nice layout,
+presentation, clear icons, screenshot, and no irritating choice of
+hundreds of dependencies with barbaric names.
+It might be difficult, but much more convenient for those who just want
+things to work in a snap (or in very few clicks).
+
+This would allow to place back again the default filter on &quot;All&quot; (should
+be renamed to &quot;Show all packages&quot;) for the RPMDrake package manager. We
+would then have an AppCenter and a real package manager for advanced
+package management, without forgetting a dedicated tool with GUI to
+manage orphans more efficiently.
+
+Yet, all of this demands a huge lot of work and we will need huge
+resources...
+
+&gt;<i> 5. Junior tasks contributions. I noticed while visiting the
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice website. They have junior task for people willing to
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute to the codebase, and most of theses junior tasks consist to
+</I>&gt;<i> improve code clarity, fix comments. I guess that the same thing could
+</I>&gt;<i> be done with Mandriva tools, notably adding perldoc tags/comments.
+</I>
+Yes. This will help people from outside understand better how the
+program works. Reading the code itself isn't that easy even if it is
+well written.
+
+&gt;<i> Last but not least, I know that on Mageia ML, there was a discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> about the people we should target. Here are some interesting
+</I>&gt;<i> reflexions :
+</I>&gt;<i> Sweet Caroline : <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/sweet-caroline/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> fedoraproject.org redesign update :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/09/03/fedoraproject-org-redesign-update/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> You must be this tall to ride: __ :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-_">http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/10/01/you-must-be-this-tall-to-ride-_</A>_
+</I>
+Will read them when I'll find the time to...
+
+Thomas.
+
+</PRE>
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+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 23:45:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 96<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001686.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001688.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001760.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001705.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001724.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001728.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001735.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001763.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001674.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to twitter in blog page
+</A><A NAME="1674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001676.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong ref in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="1676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001723.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001725.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001703.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001719.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001720.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001722.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001683.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001754.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001767.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001731.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001732.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001765.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001727.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001737.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001740.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001761.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001733.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001768.html">[Mageia-discuss] I want Apport to become included in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001709.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001692.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to twitter in blog page
+</A><A NAME="1692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001766.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001677.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001715.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002127.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="2127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001769.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001758.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001764.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001721.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001713.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001714.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001726.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001736.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001739.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001742.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001744.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001675.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001757.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001759.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001745.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001748.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001749.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001685.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001697.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001679.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001706.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001707.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001762.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001690.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001708.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001711.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001755.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001734.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001747.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001753.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001696.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001716.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001718.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001730.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul De Vlieger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001684.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001680.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001752.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 1 23:45:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:46:32 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
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+ <h1>1 October 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 01:28:46 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 23:45:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 96<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001674.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to twitter in blog page
+</A><A NAME="1674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001675.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001676.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong ref in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="1676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001677.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001679.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001680.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001683.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001684.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001685.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001686.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001688.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001690.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001692.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to twitter in blog page
+</A><A NAME="1692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001696.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001697.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001703.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001705.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001706.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001707.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001708.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001709.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001711.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001713.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001714.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001715.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002127.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="2127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001716.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001718.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001719.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001720.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001721.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001722.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001723.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001724.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001725.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001726.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001727.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001728.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001730.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul De Vlieger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001731.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001732.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001733.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001734.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001735.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001736.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001737.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001739.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001740.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001742.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001745.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001744.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001747.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001748.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001749.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001752.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001753.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001755.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001754.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001757.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001758.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001759.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001760.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001761.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001762.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001763.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001764.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001765.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001766.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001767.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001768.html">[Mageia-discuss] I want Apport to become included in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001769.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 1 23:45:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:46:32 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>1 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 01:28:46 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 23:45:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 96<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001705.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001716.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001719.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001721.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001724.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001728.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001708.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001711.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001722.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001723.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001725.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001727.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001733.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001713.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001714.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001703.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001715.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002127.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="2127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001718.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001720.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001736.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001737.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001739.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001740.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001742.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001744.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001755.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001769.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001763.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001683.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001684.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001726.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001730.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul De Vlieger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001768.html">[Mageia-discuss] I want Apport to become included in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001686.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001675.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001677.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001679.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001680.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001685.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001688.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001690.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001696.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001697.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001706.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001707.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001709.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001731.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001732.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001734.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001735.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001752.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001753.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001754.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001757.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001758.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001759.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001760.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001761.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001762.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001764.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001765.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001766.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001767.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001748.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001749.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001745.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001747.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001676.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong ref in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="1676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001674.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to twitter in blog page
+</A><A NAME="1674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001692.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to twitter in blog page
+</A><A NAME="1692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 1 23:45:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:46:32 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>1 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 01:28:46 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 1 23:45:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 96<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285889326- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001674.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to twitter in blog page
+</A><A NAME="1674">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285889326-01285915010- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001692.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to twitter in blog page
+</A><A NAME="1692">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285889615- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001675.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1675">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285889615-01285890864- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001677.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1677">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285889615-01285890864-01285893565- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001678.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="1678">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Luis Daniel Lucio Quiroz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285889805- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001676.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong ref in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="1676">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285896749- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001679.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1679">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285896749-01285899318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001680.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1680">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285896749-01285899318-01285913396- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001688.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1688">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285896749-01285899318-01285913396-01285913741- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001690.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1690">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285899318-01285913396-01285913741-01285923059- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1700">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285899318-01285913396-01285913741-01285924137- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001701.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1701">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285899318-01285913396-01285913741-01285924137-01285931419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001709.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1709">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285899318-01285913396-01285913741-01285924137-01285931419-01285932483- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001712.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1712">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285896749-01285899318-01285917514- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1693">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285896749-01285899318-01285930628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001706.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1706">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285896749-01285900258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001681.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1681">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Spuhler
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285896749-01285900258-01285902999- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001685.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1685">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01285896749-01285900258-01285917621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001694.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1694">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>P. Christeas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285896749-01285900258-01285917621-01285922876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001698.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1698">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285896749-01285900258-01285922820- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001697.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1697">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285896749-01285900258-01285922820-01285930854- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001707.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1707">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285896749-01285914084- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001691.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1691">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001695.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1695">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001699.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1699">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001704.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1704">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285953406- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001752.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1752">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285953406-01285953814- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001753.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1753">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285953406-01285956623- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001757.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1757">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285956664- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001758.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1758">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285956664-01285957202- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001759.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1759">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Sala&#252;n
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285956664-01285957736- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001761.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1761">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285956664-01285957736-01285959088- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001764.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1764">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285956664-01285957736-01285959574- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001766.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1766">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285956664-01285959318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001765.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1765">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285923017-01285929996-01285957602- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001760.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1760">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285945170- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001734.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1734">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285918108-01285945170-01285945766- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001735.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1735">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285896749-01285914084-01285931469- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001710.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1710">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285931469-01285944070- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001731.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1731">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285931469-01285944070-01285944162- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001732.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1732">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285896749-01285914084-01285931469-01285944070-01285944162-01285947437- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001741.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1741">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285896749-01285922188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001696.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1696">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285896749-01285954566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001754.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1754">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285896749-01285954566-01285958499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001762.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1762">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285896749-01285954566-01285958499-01285961249- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001767.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1767">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tomasz Pawe&#322; Gajc
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285900919- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001682.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1682">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285900919-01285901817- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001683.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1683">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285900919-01285902693- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001684.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1684">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285905584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001686.html">[Mageia-discuss] logo proposal
+</A><A NAME="1686">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ricardo Manuel Arroyo Alvarado
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285912674- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001687.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1687">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285912674-01285913699- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001689.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1689">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Weng (a.k.a. Franklin)
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285912674-01285913699-01285929212- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001702.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1702">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285912674-01285938551- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001717.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1717">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285929511- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001703.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1703">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285929511-01285930370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001705.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1705">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285929511-01285930370-01285938189- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001716.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1716">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285929511-01285930370-01285938189-01285940449- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001723.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1723">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285929511-01285930370-01285938189-01285940611- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001724.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1724">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285929511-01285930370-01285938189-01285940611-01285940834- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001725.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1725">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285929511-01285930370-01285938189-01285940611-01285940834-01285941187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001728.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1728">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285929511-01285935291- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001715.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1715">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285929511-01285936050- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002127.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="2127">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Lottmann
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01285929511-01285938860- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001718.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1718">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thierry Vignaud
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285929511-01285938860-01285939344- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001720.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1720">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285930994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001708.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1708">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285932188- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001711.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1711">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285932188-01285932685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001713.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1713">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285932188-01285932685-01285933045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001714.html">[Mageia-discuss] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1714">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285932188-01285938926- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001719.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1719">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285932188-01285938926-01285939527- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001721.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1721">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285932188-01285938926-01285939527-01285939939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001722.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1722">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabrice Facorat
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285932188-01285938926-01285939527-01285941002- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001727.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1727">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285932188-01285938926-01285939527-01285941002-01285944258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001733.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1733">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285940903- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001726.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1726">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285940903-01285943016- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001730.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1730">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Paul De Vlieger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285946320- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001736.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1736">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285946320-01285946695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001737.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1737">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001738.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1738">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025-01285947197- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001740.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1740">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025-01285947592- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001742.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1742">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025-01285947592-01285947788- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001743.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1743">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025-01285947592-01285947788-01285948847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001746.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1746">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025-01285947592-01285947788-01285948847-01285953233- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001751.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1751">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025-01285947592-01285947788-01285948847-01285953233-01285954332- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001755.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1755">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025-01285947592-01285947788-01285948847-01285953233-01285954332-01285955348- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001756.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1756">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025-01285947592-01285947788-01285948847-01285969538- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001769.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1769">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285946320-01285946695-01285947025-01285947592-01285948082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001744.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1744">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285946320-01285946695-01285947176- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001739.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1739">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285947858- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001745.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1745">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285947858-01285948904- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001747.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1747">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285948754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001750.html">[Mageia-discuss] Modern Simplistic Logo Proposal
+</A><A NAME="1750">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285949002- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001748.html">[Mageia-discuss] Question about the fork.
+</A><A NAME="1748">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285949402- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001749.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1749">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285958852- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001763.html">[Mageia-discuss] Artwork - Mageia Logo contest
+</A><A NAME="1763">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remy CLOUARD
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285963943- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001768.html">[Mageia-discuss] I want Apport to become included in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1768">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 1 23:45:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:46:32 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+<PRE>Andr&#233; e Filipe,
+
+Envio a tradu&#231;&#227;o do FAQ do ingl&#234;s para o pt_br (<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org/pt-">http://www.mageia.org/pt-</A>
+br/faq/), para a revis&#227;o de vcs, p/ incluir no site.
+
+I am sending the translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, for the
+review of you.
+
+Abs.
+
+MacXi
+
+_________________________________
+
+Mageia | FAQ
+
+O que e Mageia?
+Mageia &#233; a sua nova distribui&#231;&#227;o Linux.
+
+Como se pronuncia mageia?
+N&#227;o h&#225; pron&#250;ncia oficial, voc&#234; pode usar qualquer um que voc&#234; gosta.
+
+O que significa o nome &quot;mageia&quot;?
+O termo mageia - &#956;&#945;&#947;&#949;&#943;&#945; em grego - em portugu&#234;s significa &quot;magia&quot;.
+
+Eu sou um usu&#225;rio do Mandriva Linux. O que devo fazer?
+Por enquanto voc&#234; pode continuar usando o Mandriva Linux, pois n&#227;o h&#225; vers&#227;o
+do Mageia dispon&#237;vel ainda. Voc&#234; poder&#225; se inscrever na
+mageia-announce newsletter para ser informado quando o primeira vers&#227;o do
+Mageia estar&#225; pronto para usar.
+
+Ser&#225; que vou ser capaz de atualizar do Mandriva para o Mageia?
+Sim, vai ser poss&#237;vel.
+
+Quando a primeira vers&#227;o do Mageia estar&#225; dispon&#237;vel?
+T&#227;o logo quanto poss&#237;vel. Esperamos ter alguma vers&#227;o alfa ou beta at&#233; o final
+de novembro.
+
+Qual ser&#225; o codinome do lan&#231;amento da primeira vers&#227;o do Mageia?
+Isso n&#227;o foi decidido ainda.
+
+O urpmi, MCC, drakxtools ir&#227;o ser parte do Mageia?
+Sim, as suas ferramentas favoritas ser&#227;o inclu&#237;dos no Mageia.
+
+Onde posso apresentar minhas id&#233;ias sobre o logo?
+Voc&#234; pode enviar suas id&#233;ias logo no grupo de arte mageia.
+
+Como eu posso contribuir com o projeto Mageia?
+Todos os tipos de habilidades s&#227;o bem vindas. Voc&#234; pode se cadastrar no wiki,
+qualquer que seja as equipes que melhor atender &#224;s suas habilidades.
+
+Como posso contactar o projeto?
+Voc&#234; pode enviar e-mail para contato mageia (at) mageia (ponto) org.
+
+Como eu posso doar para o projeto?
+Voc&#234; pode ir para a p&#225;gina de doa&#231;&#245;es.
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+&gt;<i> I added the #mageia-za irc channel to the wiki, but it seems it keeps being
+</I>&gt;<i> removed a few hours later. Most Frustrating.
+</I>
+Where did you add it?
+
+I did not find any IRC channels list on the wiki
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:20, Rory Albertyn &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rory.a at radiantnet.co.za</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I added the #mageia-za irc channel to the wiki, but it seems it keeps being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removed a few hours later. Most Frustrating.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where did you add it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not find any IRC channels list on the wiki
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oh found it in resources, leuhmanu restored old version for some reason
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:20, Rory Albertyn&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rory.a at radiantnet.co.za</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I added the #mageia-za irc channel to the wiki, but it seems it keeps being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> removed a few hours later. Most Frustrating.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Where did you add it?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not find any IRC channels list on the wiki
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I added it to <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/docu.php?id=ressources">http://mageia.org/wiki/docu.php?id=ressources</A>
+
+All my other entries show, I saw my entry was indeed there, now it is AWOL.
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:34, Pascal Terjan&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:20, Rory Albertyn&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rory.a at radiantnet.co.za</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I added the #mageia-za irc channel to the wiki, but it seems it keeps being
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> removed a few hours later. Most Frustrating.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Where did you add it?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I did not find any IRC channels list on the wiki
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh found it in resources, leuhmanu restored old version for some reason
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Thanks! :)
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+ <B>Egner Quero</B>
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+<PRE>people should be careful not to make judgments lightly, is all that needs to
+be clarified, and if the critics are welcome as long as they are objective
+and rationale.
+
+Greetings!
+
+2010/10/1 Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amfidiusz at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-10-01 18:00, Egner Quero pisze:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this is a symbol as old as the symbol of a star:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> please try to find it before making comments without having sufficient
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> knowledge about it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey, I'm not saying it's not an ancient symbol. I'm not saying it does not
+</I>&gt;<i> represent magic. I'm just giving my opinion on what was the first thing in
+</I>&gt;<i> my mind after seeing that proposal. Do not expect users to run extensive
+</I>&gt;<i> research in order to just find out what the logo stands for. The image has
+</I>&gt;<i> to be clear at the first sight.
+</I>&gt;<i> Besides, what have you expected while writing this post if you can't handle
+</I>&gt;<i> some critic?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+ <B>Rory Albertyn</B>
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+have enabled it on mageia-za.org. I think this is better than having to
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+Still a busy week in working on Mageia first setup. Here is a quick summary:
+blog.mageia.org/?p=54
+
+Cheers!
+
+-------
+Anne
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+ <B>futureway at asia.com</B>
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+<PRE>2010/10/1 You-Cheng Hsieh &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yochenhsieh at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>Although some people can read both simplified and traditional Chinese
+</I>&gt;<i>characters, there are users who have difficulty reading one of them,
+</I>&gt;<i>either simplified or traditional. I suggest no matter in any
+</I>&gt;<i>circumstances, we should not use only simplified or traditional
+</I>&gt;<i>Chinese translation to present a single &quot;Chinese&quot; page. Since you have
+</I>&gt;<i>already made your translation, we can put both zh-CN and zh-TW pages
+</I>&gt;<i>online for users of both different character forms.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+OK, the simplified Chinese page can be named &quot;&#31616;&#20307;&#20013;&#25991;&quot;&#12290;I know that some
+technical terms have different translation on both sides of the strait.
+Take
+care!
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+<PRE>Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work to you
+revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog too.
+
+------------------
+
+Sua tradu&#231;&#227;o est&#225; compat&#237;vel com aquela que eu fiz. Eu lhe enviarei meu trabalho
+para que voc&#234; o revise e decida sobre as pequenas diferen&#231;as. N&#243;s precisaremos
+ver o blog tamb&#233;m.
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+<PRE>Em Sex 01 Out 2010, &#224;s 21:11:44, Andr&#233; Machado escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work to
+</I>&gt;<i> you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ------------------
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sua tradu&#231;&#227;o est&#225; compat&#237;vel com aquela que eu fiz. Eu lhe enviarei meu
+</I>&gt;<i> trabalho para que voc&#234; o revise e decida sobre as pequenas diferen&#231;as. N&#243;s
+</I>&gt;<i> precisaremos ver o blog tamb&#233;m.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Andr&#233;,
+Sending a suggested translation of the text of today's Blog
+Regarding the translation, do not worry, your English must be better than mine
+and you are having more contact whit mageia forum. You and Filipe feel free
+to make corrections and changes that fit.
+
+MacXi
+___________________________________-
+
+Andr&#233;,
+
+Envio uma sugest&#227;o de tradu&#231;&#227;o do texto de hoje do Blog.
+Quanto a tradu&#231;&#227;o, n&#227;o se preocupe, acho que seu ingl&#234;s deve ser melhor que o
+meu e vc tem mais contato e est&#225; acompanhando melhor o forum Mageia.
+
+Fiquem a vontade, vc e o Filipe, para fazer as corre&#231;&#245;es e altera&#231;&#245;es que
+achar melhor.
+
+Obs: N&#227;o consegui traduzir &quot;Tier1&quot; da frase: Mas ainda estamos procurando
+Tier1 (???) espelhos. --&gt; But we are still looking for Tier1 mirrors.
+
+Abs
+
+MacXi
+
+________________________________________________
+
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/">http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/</A>
+
+Mageia: algumas not&#237;cias sobre o projeto -
+Posted on October 2, 2010 by ennael
+
+Dado todas as propostas e contribui&#231;&#245;es que recebemos at&#233; agora, parece que
+Mageia tem potencial para ser um grande sucesso! Para aqueles que est&#227;o
+querendo saber o que est&#225; acontecendo agora, aqui est&#227;o algumas not&#237;cias sobre
+v&#225;rios assuntos:
+
+ * A fim de responder &#224;s principais perguntas sobre o projeto mageia, um FAQ
+j&#225; est&#225; dispon&#237;vel no site. Sinta-se livre para comentar e pedir mais
+perguntas se voc&#234; acha que alguns assuntos est&#227;o em falta.
+
+ * A associa&#231;&#227;o mageia vai ser registrada na segunda-feira, com uma
+publica&#231;&#227;o oficial em cerca de um m&#234;s (depois revisto pela administra&#231;&#227;o),
+gra&#231;as &#224; Severina e RTP
+
+ * Um Manifesto Mageia est&#225; em andamento. N&#243;s fornecemos uma lista de itens
+para ajudar Lauder Graham e alguns caras de marketing &amp; comunica&#231;&#227;o para
+trabalhar em um primeiro esbo&#231;o.
+
+ * Uma equipe sysadmin foi criado por Nicolas (boklm), para come&#231;ar a
+trabalhar na nova infra-estrutura.
+
+ * Para a infra-estrutura de hardware, recebemos propostas para servidores
+e hospedagem. Agora temos o hardware para ser capaz de configurar a constru&#231;&#227;o
+de sistema (build system)) e de acolhimento dos principais servi&#231;os. J&#225;
+come&#231;amos a instala&#231;&#227;o de uma m&#225;quina virtual oferecida pelo gandi.net que
+vamos usar em breve para hospedar os sites e blog. Em rela&#231;&#227;o &#224; hospedagem dos
+outros servidores, n&#243;s temos uma proposta de um ano e j&#225; est&#227;o trabalhando em
+uma solu&#231;&#227;o de longo prazo.
+
+ * Misc est&#225; trabalhando em um planejamento para a implanta&#231;&#227;o do sistema
+de compila&#231;&#227;o (aproximadamente, 4/5 dias a partir do zero, sem a instala&#231;&#227;o do
+servidor, se tudo correr bem)
+
+ * Olivier (Nanar) deve anunciar em breve alguns planos para os espelhos e
+uma aplica&#231;&#227;o web para cuidar disto. N&#243;s j&#225; temos muitas propostas para os
+espelhos locais para hospedar os pacotes e ISOs Mageia. Mas ainda estamos
+procurando Tier1 espelhos.
+
+ * Buchan est&#225; trabalhando na parte da infra-estrutura LDAP
+ * Mageia tem sido contactada por v&#225;rios jornais, podcasts, webTV, r&#225;dio
+web etc ..., que tomou muito tempo. Voc&#234; vai ouvir falar Mageia
+breve :)
+
+ * As doa&#231;&#245;es est&#227;o indo muito bem, cerca de 5.000 &#8364; e 100 doadores! Iremos
+publicar relat&#243;rios financeiros mensais para que voc&#234; possa
+acompanhar como ele est&#225; sendo usado. As primeiras despesas ser&#227;o com unidades
+de disco r&#237;gido, nomes de dom&#237;nios e registo da
+marca Mageia.
+
+ * Voc&#234; vai em breve ser capaz de comprar Mageia tee-shirts. N&#243;s n&#227;o temos
+um logotipo oficial ainda, mas n&#227;o se preocupe, ainda &#233;
+poss&#237;vel fazer tshirts divertidos sem um logotipo.
+
+Brevemente neste blog, mais not&#237;cias sobre a organiza&#231;&#227;o geral do projeto
+mageia, fique atento! Livremente
+Equipe Mageia
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Now that this distro is quite new I feel that you should add Apport instead
+</I>&gt;<i> of Bugbuddy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If that's not possible, then redo Bugbuddy to behave like Apport that
+</I>&gt;<i> gathers log-files better &amp; creates bugreports in a better way.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+abrt[1] is already in the repos, no need to duplicate stuff. That and,
+as you were told before, apport is an ubuntu specific tool with server
+side support, can't be easily implemented in Mageia (or Mandriva for
+that matter). :)
+
+[1] <A HREF="https://fedorahosted.org/abrt/">https://fedorahosted.org/abrt/</A>
+<A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-03/msg00018.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-03/msg00018.php</A>
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+&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir wrote on 09/28/2010 12:42 PM:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Gmail differs in just how it *groups* the received emails in threads
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (called conversations in the gmail world).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can disable that in the gmail settings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wayne Sallee
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Looks like a newly added option, right?
+
+Anyway disabling conversations altogether is counter-intuitive for my usage
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+Quote: Gustavo Giampaoli wrote on Fri, 01 October 2010
+14:28
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe you could have a &quot;core&quot; repo. Core will be the
+</I>&gt;<i> packages for a
+</I>&gt;<i> bare distro. The completely naked basic distro. Kind of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia +
+</I>&gt;<i> drakes + drivers + basic desktop. Not any &quot;regular&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> application like
+</I>&gt;<i> GIMP. Pretty basic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This core must be managed / touched / modified / updated
+</I>&gt;<i> only by a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;selected&quot; group of developers. Because this core would
+</I>&gt;<i> be the spine
+</I>&gt;<i> of the whole distro, the naked OS. This would ensure the
+</I>&gt;<i> stability of
+</I>&gt;<i> the system because only pros and / or well
+</I>&gt;<i> experienced-with--enough-merits developers will touch
+</I>&gt;<i> the system guts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And you could have other repo for all the rest of the
+</I>&gt;<i> software.
+</I>
+Sounds like a good idea to me!
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+&gt;<i> BTW, we could also consider migrating to a PLF-like tree structure,
+</I>&gt;<i> which looks better structured:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> media/
+</I>&gt;<i> main/
+</I>&gt;<i> release/
+</I>&gt;<i> binary/
+</I>&gt;<i> noarch/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch1/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch2/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> debug/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch1/
+</I>&gt;<i> arch2/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> source/
+</I>&gt;<i> testing/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> updates/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> backports/
+</I>&gt;<i> contrib/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i> non-free/
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>
+The problem with that layout is that it doesn't really work well with
+media.cfg, so we'd need changes in the format as well if this layout is
+chosen.
+
+(think where to place media.cfg and what it would contain)
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+&gt;<i> On Friday 01 October 2010 13:46:36 Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> BTW, we could also consider migrating to a PLF-like tree structure,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which looks better structured:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> media/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> main/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> binary/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> noarch/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arch1/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arch2/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> debug/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arch1/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arch2/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> source/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> testing/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> backports/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contrib/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> non-free/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem with that layout is that it doesn't really work well with
+</I>&gt;<i> media.cfg, so we'd need changes in the format as well if this layout is
+</I>&gt;<i> chosen.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (think where to place media.cfg and what it would contain)
+</I>
+media.cfg would still be in media/media_info
+
+PLF is already using a similar layout with no issue, what would be the
+problem exactly?
+
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+Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:34, Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 15:20, Rory Albertyn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rory.a at radiantnet.co.za</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I added the #mageia-za irc channel to the wiki, but it seems it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; keeps being removed a few hours later. Most Frustrating.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Where did you add it?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I did not find any IRC channels list on the wiki
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh found it in resources, leuhmanu restored old version for some
+</I>&gt;<i> reason
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+&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Same way if you put the sweetest marmalade in an ugly and dirty
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; package. And you also put some dog sh*t in the most beautiful
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packaging, with a nice ribbon.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ask them &quot;please, pick one&quot;. Which one do you think people will pick
+</I>&gt;<i> first?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You're overlooking that fact that if you are a commercial enterprise you
+</I>&gt;<i> can pay people to tie ribbons around dogsh*t, but you'll find very few
+</I>&gt;<i> community contributors who are willing to do that for their own
+</I>&gt;<i> amusement and edification. :-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I do agree with Gustavo.
+And what he tries to say is not &#171; functionality is irrelevant, let's focus
+on design, guys &#187;. He says (or that's what I understood) that we should
+consider aesthetics. And I think that in the whole community there might be
+people who feel concerned about/are competent in graphic design, and willing
+to improve GUIs.
+I just think that we could let them improve things instead of saying &#171; don't
+put your artistic hands in my code, it works so there's no problem if the
+GUI is ugly &#187;.
+
+Functionality is the most important aspect, but design is relevant.
+
+For example : I never used the 3D desktop in Mandriva, but I convinced a lot
+of my friends to try the distro showing them my funny cubic desktop. Just
+because it looks great, not because it is useful.
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B>
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+<PRE>Seems to me that this is an area where all those really interested in the
+success of Mageia can help, at the cost of a little bandwidth, by seeding for
+Bittorrent once they have downloaded the .iso they need.
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+Cheers,
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+<PRE>I see that some of us are suggesting all sorts of ideas for tools to use and
+tools to replace and perhaps also new packages to be included.
+
+I would like to suggest that for me and perhaps for a silent majority (OK
+perhaps not) the most important thing is to get a good stable working Mageia
+2011.0 out there and if that means making very very few changes relative to
+what a new Mandriva release might have been then that is good.
+
+The less we seek to change the quicker the first stable release can appear.
+That is the conclusion I have drawn from some of the dev comments. The
+quicker the first stable release is out then the sooner we can look to
+introducing necessary/desirable changes and forge the new Mageia identity.
+
+I seem to recall that in the early days Mandrake was belittled by calling it
+just a repackaged Red Hat. I think the best accolade we could receive for
+Mageia 1 is &quot;just a repackaged Mandriva&quot;.
+
+Surely the time to strike out on our own and in our own direction is after we
+have established a firm foundation which is attractivly familiar to all of
+the existing Mandriva user base.
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+&gt;<i> Seems to me that this is an area where all those really interested in
+</I>&gt;<i> the success of Mageia can help, at the cost of a little bandwidth, by
+</I>&gt;<i> seeding for Bittorrent once they have downloaded the .iso they need.
+</I>
+But for that to help reduce the size of mageia on mirrors, that would imply
+that the ISOs will be only provided by bittorrent (or restricted to a few
+mirrors more dedicated to mageia).
+
+I have already done it for mandriva, and I can seed some GB/month for mageia
+ISOs.
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B>
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+ from Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> the most important thing is to get a good stable working Mageia 2011.0
+</I>
+Given past experience with the x.0 releases of Mandrake/Mandriva perhaps we
+should start counting releases with x.1 ?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds;
+ and the pessimist fears this is true.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Il 29/09/2010 21:38, Marcello Anni ha scritto:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i can propose my help for the italian blog, better together with another
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (one or more) person (because for study reason sometimes i'm not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; available).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Count me in for italian translations ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>
+good : ) when things will be ready i will contact you by e-mail to manage our
+italian blog
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+Marcello
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+PS= i've already translated and submitted the FAQ, don't loose your time for
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Marcello Anni wrote on 09/29/2010 05:13 AM:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; choose the logo and the pay-off.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you mean by &quot;pay-off&quot;?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wayne Sallee
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A>
+</I>
+it is the typical phrase that follows the brand name... something like
+&quot;(Apple) think different&quot; etc...
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+<PRE>* Renaud MICHEL (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> On samedi 02 octobre 2010 at 13:42, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Seems to me that this is an area where all those really interested in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the success of Mageia can help, at the cost of a little bandwidth, by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; seeding for Bittorrent once they have downloaded the .iso they need.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But for that to help reduce the size of mageia on mirrors, that would imply
+</I>&gt;<i> that the ISOs will be only provided by bittorrent (or restricted to a few
+</I>&gt;<i> mirrors more dedicated to mageia).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have already done it for mandriva, and I can seed some GB/month for mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> ISOs.
+</I>
+Bad idea:
+- bittorrent servers are not so availlable, espacially several years
+ after the release
+- iso not availlable on mirror will bother people making their private
+ mirror for internal use
+- many people cannot use bittorent (my own case at work, university
+ filter it).
+
+I am not against providing ISO using bittorent, but it cannot be the
+only way to get it.
+
+Regards.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Renaud Michel
+</I>--
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+<PRE>On Saturday 02 October 2010 13:21:56 Olivier Blin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Anssi Hannula &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">anssi.hannula at iki.fi</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Friday 01 October 2010 13:46:36 Olivier Blin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; BTW, we could also consider migrating to a PLF-like tree structure,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; which looks better structured:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; media/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; main/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; release/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; binary/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; noarch/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; arch1/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; arch2/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; debug/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; arch1/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; arch2/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; source/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; testing/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; updates/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; backports/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; contrib/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; non-free/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; ...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The problem with that layout is that it doesn't really work well with
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; media.cfg, so we'd need changes in the format as well if this layout is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; chosen.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (think where to place media.cfg and what it would contain)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> media.cfg would still be in media/media_info
+</I>
+It can't, as media.cfg is per-arch.
+
+Of course changing the format (making it noarch, containing arch-specific
+subsections or something) is an option, but one couldn't use the distrib tree
+with older releases, then.
+
+&gt;<i> PLF is already using a similar layout with no issue, what would be the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem exactly?
+</I>
+They are currently using a hacky approach; there is a *second* tree that is
+more mandriva-like and only contains media.cfg files (which in turn causes
+other problems on devel-&gt;stable migration as they are referencing the distro
+version in the repository paths (think
+&quot;../../../../realtree/cooker/foo/media_faa&quot;)).
+
+--
+Anssi Hannula
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+On Saturday 02 October 2010 01:29:04 Anne nicolas wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Still a busy week in working on Mageia first setup. Here is a quick
+</I>&gt;<i> summary: blog.mageia.org/?p=54
+</I>
+this link is not clickable here (KMail). Here is a better link:
+
+<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=54">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=54</A>
+
+Thanks for the update.
+
+Regards,
+
+ Shlomi Fish
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -------
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
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+Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> * Renaud MICHEL (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On samedi 02 octobre 2010 at 13:42, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Seems to me that this is an area where all those really
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; interested in the success of Mageia can help, at the cost of a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; little bandwidth, by seeding for Bittorrent once they have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; downloaded the .iso they need.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But for that to help reduce the size of mageia on mirrors, that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would imply that the ISOs will be only provided by bittorrent (or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; restricted to a few mirrors more dedicated to mageia).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I have already done it for mandriva, and I can seed some GB/month
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for mageia ISOs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bad idea:
+</I>&gt;<i> - bittorrent servers are not so availlable, espacially several years
+</I>&gt;<i> after the release
+</I>&gt;<i> - iso not availlable on mirror will bother people making their private
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror for internal use
+</I>&gt;<i> - many people cannot use bittorent (my own case at work, university
+</I>&gt;<i> filter it).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am not against providing ISO using bittorent, but it cannot be the
+</I>&gt;<i> only way to get it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Renaud Michel
+</I>
+
+Perhaps with Metalink ?
+
+see <A HREF="http://www.metalinker.org/">http://www.metalinker.org/</A>
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+&gt;<i> Could we try to avoid cross postings. It is very inefficient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There are two threads now that are cross posting and it is doubling the
+</I>&gt;<i> amount of reading for nothing. For those 2 threads, could we just pick
+</I>&gt;<i> either the dev or user and go from there?
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+
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Given past experience with the x.0 releases of Mandrake/Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps we
+</I>&gt;<i> should start counting releases with x.1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+0 is lesser than 1 and is at its left on Euclidean straight ;)
+But we need discuss how will be Mageia versioning. The first version
+will be:
+
+* Mageia 2011.0 ?
+* Mageia 2001.1 ?
+* Mageia 11.01 ? :D
+* Mageia 1.0 ?
+
+Once Association is formed, we need make a pool to choose codename.
+Of course, some ideas, like Welcome Center, wallpapers - that nobody
+spoke until now - and installer improvements need not be implemented
+now. I think that very 1st Mageia version will be a Mandriva 2010.1
+with all Mandriva names, art and logo replaced with Mageia ones.
+
+We need to have priorities, to avoid that Mageia becames a new
+Duke Nukem Forever.
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+Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Sat, 02 October 2010 11:10
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+</I>&gt;<i> and also avoid cross post on mageia/mdv, as I personally use 2
+</I>&gt;<i> different emails, so i cannot answer on both ( not that i want ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cross post is useful mainly for announce, imho.
+</I>&gt;<i> For a discussion, that's hellish :/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I very much agree, we should add this to the Mageia ML netiquette rules.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, Andr&#233; Machado wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Given past experience with the x.0 releases of Mandrake/Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; perhaps we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; should start counting releases with x.1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 0 is lesser than 1 and is at its left on Euclidean straight ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> But we need discuss how will be Mageia versioning. The first version
+</I>&gt;<i> will be:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 2011.0 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 2001.1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 11.01 ? :D
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 1.0 ?
+</I>
+How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3
+for a release made in March. That way we are always &quot;up to date&quot; and can
+allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year
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+&gt;<i>Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Sat, 02 October 2010 11:10
+</I>
+&gt;&gt;<i> Cross post is useful mainly for announce, imho.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For a discussion, that's hellish :/
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I very much agree, we should add this to the Mageia ML netiquette rules.
+</I>
+Already, the item:
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_(Rules">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Mailing_lists_Etiquette_(Rules</A>)#Cross_Posting
+
+is now reading:
+quote
+In our case, this is not a matter of etiquette: the mail server doesn't
+handle it. If you want to send the same message to more than one Mandriva
+list, you'll have to send it to them individually. (The gory detail is that
+the server sends all copies of the mail to the list that is listed first in
+your To:/CC: fields.) Still, please do avoid it and keep any particular
+discussion restricted to one list only, for the sanity of all concerned.
+unquote
+
+I just added the last sentence.
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+Ciao,
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+<PRE>On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> I would like to suggest that for me and perhaps for a silent majority (OK
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps not) the most important thing is to get a good stable working Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> 2011.0 out there and if that means making very very few changes relative to
+</I>&gt;<i> what a new Mandriva release might have been then that is good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The less we seek to change the quicker the first stable release can appear.
+</I>
+(&#8230;)
+
+&gt;<i> The
+</I>&gt;<i> quicker the first stable release is out then the sooner we can look to
+</I>&gt;<i> introducing necessary/desirable changes and forge the new Mageia identity.
+</I>
+(&#8230;)
+
+&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>
++1
+
+My idea exactly. Your message makes a lot of sense, helps getting Mageia closer to a release and does not stop us to improve/change anything in a reasonable way
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+Salut,
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+ <B>Olivier Thauvin</B>
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+
+I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some part
+will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review.
+
+1) Seting up rsync.mageia.org
+We don't have yet the server installed and ready (the sys admin is still working
+on this and I guess they will do a good work.
+So I'll setup somewhere a basic and mostly empty tree with some reference files.
+Over the tree I'll setup an rsync share, access restricted by IP (eg the tree
+must accessible only by Tier1 mirrors).
+
+2) Mirrors list
+I'll setup the promise web application (probably on distrib-coffee at time) + an
+svn read-only access to the code. The application is still limited, not
+beautifull but it can do the job of registering mirrors properly.
+
+3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)
+Can be done only when rsync.mageia.org is setup (even temporary), I'll fully
+setup distrib-coffee to provide the full mageia tree.
+When this step will be done:
+- we'll be able to distribute small file massivelly if need
+- I'll be able to provide an alive mirror tree, so we'll can discuss the tree
+ strucure
+- anyone wanting to do its own mirror will be able 'pre' setup it over this
+ first Tier1 and registering it on the web application
+- we'll have a real testing mirror structure.
+
+BTW: finding other Tier1 mirrors is still in progress.
+
+4) Documentation
+During the setup I'll write a documentation about how to properly do a Mageia
+Mirror. This documentation will be addressed to anyone wanting to do a _public_
+mirror with the rules to have officially validated.
+I suggest having this documentation as text file at the top of mirror tree. This
+make faster to find as the first thing a mirror admin look is the mirror tree.
+This does not deny to reference it on Wiki.
+
+Once each step is done I'll send mail with the progress and all informations
+you can need to give feedback.
+
+About the mirror directories structure: I'll start another thread for this
+subject, so please be patient.
+
+Do you have comment or proposal about this process ?
+
+--
+
+Olivier Thauvin
+CNRS - LATMOS
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+ <B>Anne nicolas</B>
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+&gt;<i> Em Sex 01 Out 2010, &#224;s 21:11:44, Andr&#233; Machado escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
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+Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?
+Thanks for advance
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+ from Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Bad idea:
+</I>&gt;<i> - bittorrent servers are not so availlable, espacially several years
+</I>&gt;<i> after the release
+</I>
+Not many people download .iso file that are past their sell-by date, they tend
+to go for the recent release.
+
+&gt;<i> - iso not availlable on mirror will bother people making their private
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror for internal use
+</I>
+Good, that will reduce the load on the mirrors.
+
+&gt;<i>I am not against providing ISO using bittorent, but it cannot be the
+</I>&gt;<i>only way to get it.
+</I>
+Did not say it was, offered the suggestion to lessen the load on the mirrors.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Sodd's Second Law:
+ Sooner or later, the worst possible set of circumstances is bound to occur.
+
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+<PRE>Since 2011 is the target my wish list is simple.
+X.org Server 1.10
+Mesa 7.9
+Kernel 2.6.36.x
+
+Once the evergreen-accel branch gets merged into xf86-video-ati master
+all current ATI products will get open driver support right out of the
+box..with some improvements for Intel and Nvidia open source drivers too.
+
+As for other calls for packaging and such, most of those complaints
+seemed to be centered around the gui.. They should be considered as
+enhancements for rpmdrake and reviewed/implemented after Mageia is up
+and running ;ie future releases
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+<PRE> 02.10.2010 18:22, Remco Rijnders kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, Andr&#233; Machado wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 2011.0 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 2001.1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 11.01 ? :D
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia 1.0 ?
+</I>20xx.0 -&gt; 20xx.1 is perfect. Tho' 20xx.0 should be released at spring time and 20xx.1 later
+the same year. At the moment it doesn't make sense and many friends have asked why is 20xy
+released in 20x(y-1).
+&gt;<i> How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3
+</I>&gt;<i> for a release made in March. That way we are always &quot;up to date&quot; and can
+</I>&gt;<i> allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year
+</I>&gt;<i> if needed / fitting.
+</I>Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don't
+like it. When the release needs to be delayed it's better to do so. Not to push it out and
+then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don't have to remember
+which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5?
+
+--
+Sander
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: Gustavo Giampaoli wrote on Fri, 01 October 2010
+</I>&gt;<i> 14:28
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe you could have a &quot;core&quot; repo. Core will be the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages for a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bare distro. The completely naked basic distro. Kind of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia +
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> drakes + drivers + basic desktop. Not any &quot;regular&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> application like
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> GIMP. &#160;Pretty basic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This core must be managed / touched / modified / updated
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only by a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;selected&quot; group of developers. Because this core would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be the spine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the whole distro, the naked OS. This would ensure the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stability of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the system because only pros and / or well
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> experienced-with--enough-merits developers will touch
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the system guts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And you could have other repo for all the rest of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds like a good idea to me!
+</I>
+I'm not a developer nor and advanced user. My idea comes from reading
+things like this:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux3.php">http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux3.php</A>
+(from the post BSD vs Linux at
+<A HREF="http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php">http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux1.php</A> )
+
+So, basically, it's not &quot;my&quot; idea. And certainly isn't something you
+can follow literally. But maybe it could inspire us.
+
+Cheers!!
+
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 02 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> 20xx.0 -&gt; 20xx.1 is perfect. Tho' 20xx.0 should be released at spring time
+</I>&gt;<i> and 20xx.1 later the same year.
+</I>
+Are we stuck with two releases a year ?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Never call a man a fool.
+ Borrow from him.
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 2 October 2010 22:30, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 02 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;from Sander Lepik &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sander.lepik at eesti.ee</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 20xx.0 -&gt; 20xx.1 is perfect. Tho' 20xx.0 should be released at spring time
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;and 20xx.1 later the same year.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Are we stuck with two releases a year ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Never call a man a fool.
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Borrow from him.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You want more releases per year?
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 02 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> You want more releases per year?
+</I>
+No, I question whether we should be iron-bound to a fixed number, of whether
+we should wheel out a new release when it is ready and fit for consumption.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ There are three ways to get something done:
+ do it yourself, hire someone,
+ or forbid your kids to do it.
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+&gt;<i> Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 &#224; 09:48 -0400, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could we try to avoid cross postings. It is very inefficient.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are two threads now that are cross posting and it is doubling the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> amount of reading for nothing. For those 2 threads, could we just pick
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> either the dev or user and go from there?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and also avoid cross post on mageia/mdv, as I personally use 2 different
+</I>&gt;<i> emails, so i cannot answer on both ( not that i want ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cross post is useful mainly for announce, imho.
+</I>&gt;<i> For a discussion, that's hellish :/
+</I>
+Even for announce, that's a bit messy, since some announces will lead to
+discussions, which will then be cross-posted as well..
+
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+<PRE>&quot;Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 02 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Richard &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">richard.j.walker at ntlworld.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the most important thing is to get a good stable working Mageia 2011.0
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Given past experience with the x.0 releases of Mandrake/Mandriva perhaps we
+</I>&gt;<i> should start counting releases with x.1 ?
+</I>
+How about we give up the x.0 and x.1 release naming?
+It's just helping to give misconceptions about the releases, for example
+that x.1 releases are more polished than y.0, which was never intended.
+
+We could go with a Fedora like naming, incremental numbering.
+Mageia 1, Mageia 2, Mageia 3, ...
+
+--
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+<PRE> 03.10.2010 00:26, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 02 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You want more releases per year?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I question whether we should be iron-bound to a fixed number, of whether
+</I>&gt;<i> we should wheel out a new release when it is ready and fit for consumption.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>I remember that Mandriva once had 1 year release. But in the Linux world things move too
+fast to wait whole year before new release. And more than 2 is too much pain for everyone.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Sunday 03 Oct 2010 10:36:59 Sander Lepik wrote:
+&gt;<i> 03.10.2010 00:26, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Saturday 02 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; from Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; You want more releases per year?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, I question whether we should be iron-bound to a fixed number, of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whether we should wheel out a new release when it is ready and fit for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; consumption.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ron.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I remember that Mandriva once had 1 year release. But in the Linux world
+</I>&gt;<i> things move too fast to wait whole year before new release. And more than
+</I>&gt;<i> 2 is too much pain for everyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>
+I'm a fan of OpenSUSE's release cycle every eight months.
+
+3 releases every two years seems a good compromise
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
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+<PRE> 03.10.2010 00:35, Olivier Blin kirjutas:
+&gt;<i> &quot;Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could go with a Fedora like naming, incremental numbering.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 1, Mageia 2, Mageia 3, ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Mageia 23, Mageia 37. Sounds good? At least for me it doesn't :) Google is releasing new
+Chrome major version in every 6 weeks, if i'm correct. Soon we'll see how that feels. I
+don't remember too many major versions going over 15. Even Opera reached 10 and now it's
+10.5x, 10.6x :) Year number in this fashion seems a lot better option. When it's 2023 or
+2037, you at least find a good reason for that..
+
+--
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+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001797.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Some news about project
+</A><A NAME="1797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001785.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001787.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001798.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001817.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001816.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001818.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001770.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001781.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001780.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001800.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001789.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001792.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001807.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001811.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001790.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001782.html">[Mageia-discuss] I want Apport to become included in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001783.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001799.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001804.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001772.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001773.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="1805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001784.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001788.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001779.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001778.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about project
+</A><A NAME="1778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001806.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:37 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>2 October 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 00:20:42 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 49<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001771.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001772.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001770.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001773.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001774.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001775.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001777.html">[Mageia-discuss] OpenID
+</A><A NAME="1777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001778.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about project
+</A><A NAME="1778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001779.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001780.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001781.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001782.html">[Mageia-discuss] I want Apport to become included in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001783.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001784.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001785.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001786.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001787.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001788.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001789.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001790.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001792.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001793.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001794.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001797.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Some news about project
+</A><A NAME="1797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001798.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001799.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001800.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001804.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="1805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001806.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001807.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001811.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001817.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001815.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001816.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001818.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:37 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <hr>
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>2 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 00:20:42 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 49<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001788.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001797.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Some news about project
+</A><A NAME="1797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001779.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001799.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001782.html">[Mageia-discuss] I want Apport to become included in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001771.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001772.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001773.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001774.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001775.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001787.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001793.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001784.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001785.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001786.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001789.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001798.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001807.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="1805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001777.html">[Mageia-discuss] OpenID
+</A><A NAME="1777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001778.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about project
+</A><A NAME="1778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001780.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001781.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001806.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001770.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001794.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001783.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001790.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001792.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001800.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001804.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001811.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001817.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001815.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001816.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001818.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:37 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
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+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
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+ <h1>2 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 00:20:42 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 49<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01285971642- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001771.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1771">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285971642-01285972442- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001772.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1772">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285971642-01285972442-01285972633- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001773.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1773">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285971642-01285972442-01285972633-01285972778- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001775.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1775">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285971642-01285972442-01285972633-01286015712- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001787.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1787">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hiebel
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01285971642-01285972442-01285972707- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001774.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC channel
+</A><A NAME="1774">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285972507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001770.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1770">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285972507-01285978304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001780.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1780">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285972507-01285978304-01285983836- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001781.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1781">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285972507-01285978304-01285983836-01286040785- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001806.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="1806">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285973162- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001776.html">[Mageia-discuss] Another proposal for mageia logo
+</A><A NAME="1776">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Egner Quero
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285975352- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001777.html">[Mageia-discuss] OpenID
+</A><A NAME="1777">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285975744- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001778.html">[Mageia-discuss] Some news about project
+</A><A NAME="1778">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285975744-01286030507- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001797.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] Some news about project
+</A><A NAME="1797">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Shlomi Fish
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285977416- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001779.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1779">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>futureway at asia.com
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285984876- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001782.html">[Mageia-discuss] I want Apport to become included in Mageia
+</A><A NAME="1782">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285986293- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001783.html">[Mageia-discuss] who knows about site mageia-br?
+</A><A NAME="1783">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01285998898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001784.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1784">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285998898-01286019759- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001789.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1789">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285998898-01286019759-01286023838- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001791.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1791">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01285998898-01286019759-01286023838-01286029295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001795.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1795">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285998898-01286019759-01286023838-01286029295-01286030732- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001798.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1798">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Manuel Hiebel
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01285998898-01286019759-01286023838-01286029295-01286041466- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001807.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1807">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01285998898-01286051167- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001810.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1810">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01285999921- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001785.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1785">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01285999921-01286014916- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001786.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1786">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01285999921-01286014916-01286029620- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001796.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1796">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anssi Hannula
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286017802- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001788.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-dev] About Mandriva tools future : Host Mandriva tools on github
+</A><A NAME="1788">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R&#233;mi Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286021257- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001790.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1790">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286021257-01286023843- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001792.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1792">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286021257-01286023843-01286032407- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001800.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1800">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286021257-01286023843-01286032407-01286032920- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001802.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1802">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286021257-01286023843-01286032407-01286032920-01286050810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001809.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1809">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286021257-01286023843-01286032407-01286032920-01286050810-01286051440- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001811.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1811">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286021257-01286023843-01286032407-01286032920-01286050810-01286051440-01286054093- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001812.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1812">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286021257-01286023843-01286032407-01286032920-01286050810-01286051440-01286054093-01286054779- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001813.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1813">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286021257-01286023843-01286032407-01286032920-01286050810-01286051440-01286054093-01286054779-01286055419- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001816.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1816">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286021257-01286023843-01286032407-01286032920-01286050810-01286051440-01286054093-01286054779-01286055419-01286052147- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001817.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1817">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01286021257-01286023843-01286055310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001815.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1815">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286021257-01286023843-01286055310-01286055933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001818.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1818">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sander Lepik
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286021257-01286036531- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001804.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1804">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>SinnerBOFH
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286021257-01286036531-01286041695- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001808.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1808">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286027798- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001793.html">[Mageia-discuss] Join the Blog Team (translate, post, moderate, ...)
+</A><A NAME="1793">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286028956- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001794.html">[Mageia-discuss] we need a NEW mageia-artwork MAILING LIST!!
+</A><A NAME="1794">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286032204- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001799.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1799">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286032204-01286032436- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001801.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1801">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286032204-01286032436-01286036131- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001803.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1803">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286032204-01286055071- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001814.html">[Mageia-discuss] Cross postings
+</A><A NAME="1814">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286038426- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001805.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="1805">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:33 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Sat Oct 2 23:45:37 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <B>Andr&#233; Machado</B>
+ <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20Wish%20List&In-Reply-To=%3Cloom.20101003T001827-569%40post.gmane.org%3E"
+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Wish List">afmachado at dcemail.com
+ </A><BR>
+ <I>Sun Oct 3 00:24:40 CEST 2010</I>
+ <P><UL>
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+&gt;<i> Mageia 23, Mageia 37. Sounds good? At least for me it doesn't :)
+</I>
+Fedora 14 beta is out. Slackware 13.1, too. But when we get there, we
+can improvise. We can do like Corel DRAW! X4 , that has a impact name
+and is the 14th version (X4 = X + 4 and X is 10 in Roman numerals). Or
+we can use both, eg: M$ Office 2010 is, internally, Office 14.
+
+For more than a version to year, we can use months, sequential numbers
+or a strange numbering system like Mageia 1.0.20110101 where last part
+is YYYYMMDD.
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;<i> Given past experience with the x.0 releases of Mandrake/Mandriva perhaps we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> should start counting releases with x.1 ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How about we give up the x.0 and x.1 release naming?
+</I>&gt;<i> It's just helping to give misconceptions about the releases, for example
+</I>&gt;<i> that x.1 releases are more polished than y.0, which was never intended.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We could go with a Fedora like naming, incremental numbering.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 1, Mageia 2, Mageia 3, ...
+</I>
+My feeling is that the year based numbering is most clearest and actually
+was a good change from Mandriva some years ago.
+
+For releases cycles, I have also been pretty happy. I have some computers
+(laptops and servers where I often skip every second release if things
+like suspend/resume are working at the moment). But I have couple of
+computers where I on the other hand want always test the latest stuff, and
+for those the 6 month cycle is good.
+
+Given the amount of time that is needed for polishing things, maybe the
+8-9 month cycle like in suse would indeed be a good compromise?
+
+Mika
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-02 17:26, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 02 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Ahmad Samir&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You want more releases per year?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I question whether we should be iron-bound to a fixed number, of whether
+</I>&gt;<i> we should wheel out a new release when it is ready and fit for consumption.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>
+I think that 2 releases a year are more than enough. From the feedback I
+get from other users locally that I help, after a while, they get the
+impression that there must be something wrong with the distro to have so
+many releases ALL the time. Too many releases may in fact hurt the brand
+Mageia more that help it. It may be cool for the devs and power users to
+have more releases, but for the vast majority, it is a huge time
+commitment not to mention the potential of loss data due to lack of
+knowledge of distro installation.
+
+I would vote for 2 maximum but with more updating/backporting of newer
+software versions. We have to take care of our user-base.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-02 18:24, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 23, Mageia 37. Sounds good? At least for me it doesn't :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora 14 beta is out. Slackware 13.1, too. But when we get there, we
+</I>&gt;<i> can improvise. We can do like Corel DRAW! X4 , that has a impact name
+</I>&gt;<i> and is the 14th version (X4 = X + 4 and X is 10 in Roman numerals). Or
+</I>&gt;<i> we can use both, eg: M$ Office 2010 is, internally, Office 14.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For more than a version to year, we can use months, sequential numbers
+</I>&gt;<i> or a strange numbering system like Mageia 1.0.20110101 where last part
+</I>&gt;<i> is YYYYMMDD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Whichever numbering system is used, it should be easily understood by
+the average user and it should not look like it is making the previous
+version sound like an inferior product. I personally don't mind the year
+assignation &quot;Mageia 2010.1&quot; followed by &quot;Magiea 2010.2&quot; which, to me, is
+easily explainable to everyone ... &quot;Mageia 2010.1&quot; is the first release
+of Mageia in 2010 and &quot;Mageia 2010.2&quot; is the second release of Mageia in
+2010.
+
+It should be a numbering system that is easily understood regardless of
+country, culture or age. A 10 year-old and 90 year-old should be able to
+guess and understand the system easily. This could then be our &quot;public&quot;
+numbering system. Easily read and easily understood.
+
+As to the Cauldron, dev etc. versions, then it could very well be a more
+descriptive numbering system based on day/month/year (the metric date
+format) Mageia09022010. This could then be our &quot;dev&quot; and &quot;internal&quot;
+numbering system. We would, of course, promote the fact, that our
+develop system dating and numbering system would follow the long
+established metric formats.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Jiang Yike</B>
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+<PRE>2010/9/25 You-Cheng Hsieh wrote:
+&gt;<i>Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>We have a traditional chinese(zh-TW) translation here:
+</I>&gt;<i><A HREF="http://groups.google.com.tw/group/mageia-taiwan/t/25d6ce75f3c72e21">http://groups.google.com.tw/group/mageia-taiwan/t/25d6ce75f3c72e21</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>However, I don't write or read simplified chinese (zh-CN), so I cannot
+</I>&gt;<i>give suggestion for that.
+</I>&gt;<i>Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+2010/10/1 You-Cheng Hsieh wrote:
+&gt;<i>Hello,
+</I>&gt;<i>Although some people can read both simplified and traditional Chinese
+</I>&gt;<i>characters, there are users who have difficulty reading one of them,
+</I>&gt;<i>either simplified or traditional. I suggest no matter in any
+</I>&gt;<i>circumstances, we should not use only simplified or traditional
+</I>&gt;<i>Chinese translation to present a single &quot;Chinese&quot; page. Since you have
+</I>&gt;<i>already made your translation, we can put both zh-CN and zh-TW pages
+</I>&gt;<i>online for users of both different character forms.
+</I>&gt;<i>Regards,
+</I>&gt;<i>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+Hello! I still don't see the simplified Chinese page on the Mageia site.
+What's wrong with my translation? Can you improve it? Or do you have a
+better translation for simplified Chinese language? The translation has
+been sent to you at Sep. 22, but now there still is no a clear reply.
+
+There are many large difference between Chinese and English. For some
+words such as &quot;fork&quot;, it's very difficult to give a exactly literal
+translation, so a free translation is given. Many Chinese phrases also
+are very difficult to be exactly translated into English. In Chinese IT
+media, &quot;fork&quot; is always translated into &quot;&#20998;&#25903;&quot; (branch) or &quot;&#34893;&#29983;&quot;
+(derivative). It is a customary translation.
+
+Since you said that simplified Chinese translation is only
+representative of simplified Chinese language, so, please add a page
+which link is &quot;zh-CN&quot; and name is &quot;&#31616;&#20307;&#20013;&#25991;&quot;.
+
+Take care!
+
+Jiang Yike (the nickname &quot;Linux Lover&quot; in Mandriva official forum, and I
+have registered a nickname &quot;ake&quot; in this site)
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+&gt;<i>As to the Cauldron, dev etc. versions, then it could very well be a more
+</I>&gt;<i>descriptive numbering system based on day/month/year (the metric date
+</I>&gt;<i>format) Mageia09022010. This could then be our &quot;dev&quot; and &quot;internal&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>numbering system. We would, of course, promote the fact, that our
+</I>&gt;<i>develop system dating and numbering system would follow the long
+</I>established metric formats.
+
+
+If date formats are to be used, I would prefer the iso-8601 date format :
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html">http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/iso-time.html</A>
+A summary of the international standard date and time notation
+
+so :
+Mageia20100209
+or
+Mageia2010-02-09
+</PRE>
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+ <B>Lucien XU</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 02 October 2010 12:48:15 Lawrence A Fossi wrote:
+&gt;<i> Since 2011 is the target my wish list is simple.
+</I>&gt;<i> X.org Server 1.10
+</I>&gt;<i> Mesa 7.9
+</I>&gt;<i> Kernel 2.6.36.x
+</I>
+My wishlist is about graphics interface.
+If it is too late for designing a new theme (or improve iaora), we should use
+oxygen for KDE, and pack oxygen-molecule GTK theme for KDE integration.
+And about Gnome, we should use their base theme (forget the name)
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+&gt;<i> Since 2011 is the target my wish list is simple.
+</I>&gt;<i> X.org Server 1.10
+</I>&gt;<i> Mesa 7.9
+</I>&gt;<i> Kernel 2.6.36.x
+</I>
+My wishlist is about graphics interface.
+If it is too late for designing a new theme (or improve iaora), we should use
+oxygen for KDE, and pack oxygen-molecule GTK theme for KDE integration.
+And about Gnome, we should use their base theme (forget the name)
+--
+Sorry if I'm breaking the thread, I'm using KMail B&#234;ta ...
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+<PRE>2010/9/27 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> I'll need more help to put online chinese because it's very very
+</I>&gt;<i> different from the group of left-to-right languages i have had to deal
+</I>&gt;<i> With up to now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hello,
+What kind of help do you need? I can help with traditional Chinese
+(zh-TW) page, while I think Jiang Yike can help with simplified
+Chinese (zh-CN).
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+Regards,
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+I have set up a test web forum with bidirectional gateway to the
+Mageia mailing lists.
+I did this primarily to test the forum&lt;&gt;ML gateway functionality
+with the hope that it will be also implemented in the future
+official Mageia forum.
+
+This forum ML gateway is in no way meant to preempt or compete with
+the future official forum, on the contrary once the official forum is
+up and running (hopefully with equivalent functionality), I expect
+to shutdown this test forum again.
+
+The forum has already been filling up with posts since Friday
+afternoon, and it also creates automatically a forum user for every
+unique email address of senders of mailing list posts.
+
+Therefore if you have posted on the mailing lists in the past couple
+of days, you will find that you already have a forum userid.
+If you want to make use of it, go to the forum login page, enter
+your email address (the same one you use for the mailing lists!),
+click on &quot;forgot password&quot; and wait to receive an email for the
+password reset procedure.
+
+Once you have your password you can login and post messages in the
+mailing list forums, which then will also be posted to the mailing
+lists.
+
+If you only want to use the forum to read the mailing list posts,
+then of course you don't need to register/login at all.
+
+Please notice that the FIRST post for each user from the forum to the
+mailing lists takes about 5 minutes to get through, this is because
+the Mageia mailing lists have grey-listing active to avoid spam.
+
+If you don't already have an automatically added userid on the forum,
+then you can register as new user, but please make sure that you use
+the SAME EMAIL ADDRESS as you used to subscribe to the mailing lists,
+otherwise your posts to the mailing list will need to be manually
+approved by the Mageia mailing list admins, which means they will
+be delayed.
+
+Also to avoid spammers, every new user registration on the forum
+requires moderator (that would be me :) approval, so it can take
+up to 24 hours (but usually much less).
+
+Here is the direct link to the forum members pages, look here to
+see if you already have a userid:
+ <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=finduser&amp;usr_login=&amp;u">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=finduser&amp;usr_login=&amp;u</A>
+s=2&amp;btn_submit=Find
+
+The forum main page is here:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A>
+
+Myself and a few others have been testing the forum in the last few
+days, so I can say it's stable and works well, but of course it hasn't
+been tested under heavy load yet, so please be gentle... :)
+(this forum is running on a relatively low power rented virtual server
+so don't expect great performance under heavy load)
+
+If you have any problems with the forum itself, please post them in
+the dedicated sub-forum called &quot;Forum discussion&quot;, don't post them
+here on the Mageia ML as it would be off topic.
+This sub-forum is obviously not replicated on any Mageia mailing list.
+
+I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather
+than mailing lists, but still want to partecipate in the mailing list
+discussions!
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 00:25, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have set up a test web forum with bidirectional gateway to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia mailing lists.
+</I>&gt;<i> I did this primarily to test the forum&lt;&gt;ML gateway functionality
+</I>&gt;<i> with the hope that it will be also implemented in the future
+</I>&gt;<i> official Mageia forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This forum ML gateway is in no way meant to preempt or compete with
+</I>&gt;<i> the future official forum, on the contrary once the official forum is
+</I>&gt;<i> up and running (hopefully with equivalent functionality), I expect
+</I>&gt;<i> to shutdown this test forum again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forum has already been filling up with posts since Friday
+</I>&gt;<i> afternoon, and it also creates automatically a forum user for every
+</I>&gt;<i> unique email address of senders of mailing list posts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Therefore if you have posted on the mailing lists in the past couple
+</I>&gt;<i> of days, you will find that you already have a forum userid.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to make use of it, go to the forum login page, enter
+</I>&gt;<i> your email address (the same one you use for the mailing lists!),
+</I>&gt;<i> click on &quot;forgot password&quot; and wait to receive an email for the
+</I>&gt;<i> password reset procedure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once you have your password you can login and post messages in the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list forums, which then will also be posted to the mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> lists.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you only want to use the forum to read the mailing list posts,
+</I>&gt;<i> then of course you don't need to register/login at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please notice that the FIRST post for each user from the forum to the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing lists takes about 5 minutes to get through, this is because
+</I>&gt;<i> the Mageia mailing lists have grey-listing active to avoid spam.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you don't already have an automatically added userid on the forum,
+</I>&gt;<i> then you can register as new user, but please make sure that you use
+</I>&gt;<i> the SAME EMAIL ADDRESS as you used to subscribe to the mailing lists,
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise your posts to the mailing list will need to be manually
+</I>&gt;<i> approved by the Mageia mailing list admins, which means they will
+</I>&gt;<i> be delayed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also to avoid spammers, every new user registration on the forum
+</I>&gt;<i> requires moderator (that would be me :) approval, so it can take
+</I>&gt;<i> up to 24 hours (but usually much less).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the direct link to the forum members pages, look here to
+</I>&gt;<i> see if you already have a userid:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=finduser&amp;usr_login=&amp;u">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=finduser&amp;usr_login=&amp;u</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> s=2&amp;btn_submit=Find
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forum main page is here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Myself and a few others have been testing the forum in the last few
+</I>&gt;<i> days, so I can say it's stable and works well, but of course it hasn't
+</I>&gt;<i> been tested under heavy load yet, so please be gentle... :)
+</I>&gt;<i> (this forum is running on a relatively low power rented virtual server
+</I>&gt;<i> so don't expect great performance under heavy load)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have any problems with the forum itself, please post them in
+</I>&gt;<i> the dedicated sub-forum called &quot;Forum discussion&quot;, don't post them
+</I>&gt;<i> here on the Mageia ML as it would be off topic.
+</I>&gt;<i> This sub-forum is obviously not replicated on any Mageia mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather
+</I>&gt;<i> than mailing lists, but still want to partecipate in the mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> discussions!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I was wondering how this will behave with the Gmane discussion group.
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+Quote: marc wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 06:33
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was wondering how this will behave with the Gmane discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> group.
+</I>&gt;<i> Are any new forums discussions going to appear on the Gmane
+</I>&gt;<i> just as the ML?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+Yes, any forum posts are passed through to the ML so they will
+obviously also show up on gmane.
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+You can check yourself, I have written this reply from the forum.
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: marc wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 06:33
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was wondering how this will behave with the Gmane discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> group.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Are any new forums discussions going to appear on the Gmane
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just as the ML?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, any forum posts are passed through to the ML so they will
+</I>&gt;<i> obviously also show up on gmane.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can check yourself, I have written this reply from the forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Nice. This covers pretty well all the discussions. Are the threads added
+automatically? or do you have to fiddle around with them before the
+thread category is created?
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+Quote: marc wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 06:52
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+</I>&gt;<i> Nice. This covers pretty well all the discussions. Are the threads
+</I>&gt;<i> added
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically? or do you have to fiddle around with them before the
+</I>&gt;<i> thread category is created?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It's all automatic, I have only done some manual fiddling when people broke
+threads (from email programs, posts originating from the forum keep threads
+perfectly), to merge the broken threads back together.
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+And like I said in my first email, I approve new users manually for now, to
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+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: marc wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 06:52
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nice. This covers pretty well all the discussions. Are the threads
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> added
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically? or do you have to fiddle around with them before the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thread category is created?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's all automatic, I have only done some manual fiddling when people broke
+</I>&gt;<i> threads (from email programs, posts originating from the forum keep threads
+</I>&gt;<i> perfectly), to merge the broken threads back together.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And like I said in my first email, I approve new users manually for now, to
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid spammers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nice work Tuxx99 :)
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+&gt;<i> I have set up a test web forum with bidirectional gateway to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia mailing lists.
+</I>
+Amazing job! It will definitely be a great help for new users who are
+not comfortable with using mailing lists. And hopefully, it will save us
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+I suggest adding the forums URL to the contact section of the mageia pages.
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+One question, though. How did you handle registrations? Is posting on
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 00:57, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: marc wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 06:52
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Nice. This covers pretty well all the discussions. Are the threads
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> added
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> automatically? or do you have to fiddle around with them before the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> thread category is created?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's all automatic, I have only done some manual fiddling when people broke
+</I>&gt;<i> threads (from email programs, posts originating from the forum keep threads
+</I>&gt;<i> perfectly), to merge the broken threads back together.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And like I said in my first email, I approve new users manually for now, to
+</I>&gt;<i> avoid spammers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I wasn't concerned with the users as you seem to have that covered. I
+was mostly concerned with broken threads and how they were treated.
+
+Good job!
+
+Will you be /Are you ... involved in setting up the official Mageia
+forums? This is a great example of what can be accomplished and
+especially with controlling the broken threads problem. In my opinion,
+the broken thread problem is a really big disruption and, from what I
+gather from the posts, is that a lot of broken posts are the result of
+the users' choice of mail readers. This would solve the problem ... as
+long as it doesn't cause too much work for the Forums admin who may have
+to merge broken posts by hand.
+
+I guess you will only know about the problem with the broken posts and
+the amount of work they require only after the board is up for a while.
+Hope it is not too much work to maintain it.
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+Marc
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+Quote: Adrian Marcinkowski wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 07:01
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+&gt;<i> One question, though. How did you handle registrations? Is posting on
+</I>&gt;<i> the forums restricted to people registered to the ML? Can users sign up
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> on the board which will automatically sign them up to the ML?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Like I said in the first post, the forum software creates automatically a
+new forum user for all users that post on the MLs.
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+The other way round is not doable with this test setup, users that register
+on the forum but not on the ML will be able to post, but their posts will
+go in the manual approval queue of the ML (just like when someone posts on
+gmane and hasn't subscribed to the ML).
+This is how the Mageia MLs are configured, I cannot do anything about that
+myself.
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+Since this forum software package supports LDAP, on the future official
+forum all user registration could be centralised on LDAP, so I imagine it
+could be possible to automatically approve posts from the forum to the ML
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+Quote: marc wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 07:09
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+&gt;<i> Will you be /Are you ... involved in setting up the official Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> forums?
+</I>
+No I'm not, but I'm certainly willing to help whoever will be doing that if
+they chose this same forum software (FUDforum, it's GPL, written in php).
+I could even provide a dump of this forum so that the transition to the
+official forum would be seamless.
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+&gt;<i> as long as it doesn't cause too much work for the Forums admin who may
+</I>&gt;<i> have to merge broken posts by hand.
+</I>
+So far it hasn't been too bad, it's just a normal forum moderator task
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+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: marc wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 07:09
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Will you be /Are you ... involved in setting up the official Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forums?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No I'm not, but I'm certainly willing to help whoever will be doing that if
+</I>&gt;<i> they chose this same forum software (FUDforum, it's GPL, written in php).
+</I>&gt;<i> I could even provide a dump of this forum so that the transition to the
+</I>&gt;<i> official forum would be seamless.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as long as it doesn't cause too much work for the Forums admin who may
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have to merge broken posts by hand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So far it hasn't been too bad, it's just a normal forum moderator task
+</I>&gt;<i> (select threads to merge, click to merge them), since on the official
+</I>&gt;<i> forum there would be moderators anyway, I imagine it would just be part of
+</I>&gt;<i> their daily routine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Let's hope it doesn't keep you too busy with the merging.
+
+Thanks a lot for doing this. It is a big help in organizing the threads.
+
+Marc
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+average latency between the mailinglist and the forum and vice versa
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+There are some small issues with the firum software which I haven't
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+Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once Association is formed, we need make a pool to choose
+</I>&gt;<i> codename.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Why? If devs want a codename for whatever is brewing in the
+cauldron, fine, but PLEASE, no silly names for the released
+versions. Apart from the lack of urpmi and the terrible brown
+theme, my main reason for never trying Ubuntu is the embarrassment
+of having to confess in public that I am using Limping
+Lemur, Moulting Macaque, Nonsensical Newt, Opaque Okapi, Pretty
+Prawn etc.
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+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+&gt;<i> I question whether we should be iron-bound to a fixed number, of
+</I>&gt;<i> whether we should wheel out a new release when it is ready and fit for
+</I>&gt;<i> consumption.
+</I>
+I agree.
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+First, i do not like date-named versions at all.
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+Why not just increment the number each release.
+Mageia 1, Mageia 2 etc ?
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+Second, releases should be stable!
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+So goals should be set for &quot;next version&quot; but not carved in stone.
+For example if KDE6 still is not stable when Mageia is sheduled for release
+including KDE6 it should either be delayed until stable, changed to stable
+version and released. And task-upgradet-KDE6 in testing, and when stable in
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+Le 03/10/2010 10:36, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Den 2010-10-02 23:26:19 skrev Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I question whether we should be iron-bound to a fixed number, of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whether we should wheel out a new release when it is ready and fit for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> consumption.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First, i do not like date-named versions at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not just increment the number each release.
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia 1, Mageia 2 etc ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Second, releases should be stable!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So goals should be set for &quot;next version&quot; but not carved in stone.
+</I>&gt;<i> For example if KDE6 still is not stable when Mageia is sheduled for release
+</I>&gt;<i> including KDE6 it should either be delayed until stable, changed to stable
+</I>&gt;<i> version and released. And task-upgradet-KDE6 in testing, and when stable in
+</I>&gt;<i> backport.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think named versions is not so bad. In France, there's a car company
+called peugeot and their cars are called 207, 307, 407, and so on.
+Honestly what do you prefer :
+
+I have a 307 and it's cool !
+I have a Plymouth fury and it's cool
+
+(ok, i didn't used the twingo as an example)
+
+To stop joking, I think there's a real interest about named version.
+when you search on the web for a specific probleme for your specifiec
+release, the results are more acurate. try to search things with
+keywords &quot;mandriva 2009&quot; and try with &quot;ubuntu lucid&quot;
+
+Chag
+
+--
+&quot;Ca ne marche pas&quot; ne veut rien dire. Alors ne dites rien (ou d&#233;veloppez !)
+&quot;it doesn't work&quot; means nothing. So, say nothing (or say more !)
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+&gt;<i> try to search things with
+</I>&gt;<i> keywords &quot;mandriva 2009&quot; and try with &quot;ubuntu lucid&quot;
+</I>It is not a problem if you use <A HREF="http://google.com/linux">http://google.com/linux</A>
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+On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 09:12:28 +0100
+Margot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:13:27 +0000 (UTC)
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Once Association is formed, we need make a pool to choose
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; codename.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why? If devs want a codename for whatever is brewing in the
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron, fine, but PLEASE, no silly names for the released
+</I>&gt;<i> versions. Apart from the lack of urpmi and the terrible brown
+</I>&gt;<i> theme, my main reason for never trying Ubuntu is the embarrassment
+</I>&gt;<i> of having to confess in public that I am using Limping
+</I>&gt;<i> Lemur, Moulting Macaque, Nonsensical Newt, Opaque Okapi, Pretty
+</I>&gt;<i> Prawn etc.
+</I>
++100
+
+
+- --
+Patricia Fraser
+On the move
+Gnu/Linux 1997-2008 #283226 counter.li.org
+Dark Side - approach with caution
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 03 octobre 2010 &#224; 06:25 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> If you don't already have an automatically added userid on the forum,
+</I>&gt;<i> then you can register as new user, but please make sure that you use
+</I>&gt;<i> the SAME EMAIL ADDRESS as you used to subscribe to the mailing lists,
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise your posts to the mailing list will need to be manually
+</I>&gt;<i> approved by the Mageia mailing list admins, which means they will
+</I>&gt;<i> be delayed.
+</I>
+s/delayed/delayed or erased/.
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+I do not want to have the burden of manually approve 50 messages each
+day. While for the moment, I approves some of them and I can understand
+that people may do a error, if there is too much of them, I will prefer
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+Michael Scherer
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+</I>&gt;<i> one or two warnings.
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+You're very tolerant, I know MLs where you get your mail bounced with
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 02 oktober 2010 19:44:26 schreef Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 02 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> from Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bad idea:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - bittorrent servers are not so availlable, espacially several years
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; after the release
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not many people download .iso file that are past their sell-by date, they
+</I>&gt;<i> tend to go for the recent release.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - iso not availlable on mirror will bother people making their private
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mirror for internal use
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Good, that will reduce the load on the mirrors.
+</I>
+actually, no, it won't. if you have people who occasionally get a file; it's
+different from people having daily mirroring.
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+<PRE>Op zaterdag 02 oktober 2010 18:53:46 schreef Olivier Thauvin:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some
+</I>&gt;<i> part will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1) Seting up rsync.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i> We don't have yet the server installed and ready (the sys admin is still
+</I>&gt;<i> working on this and I guess they will do a good work.
+</I>&gt;<i> So I'll setup somewhere a basic and mostly empty tree with some reference
+</I>&gt;<i> files. Over the tree I'll setup an rsync share, access restricted by IP
+</I>&gt;<i> (eg the tree must accessible only by Tier1 mirrors).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2) Mirrors list
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll setup the promise web application (probably on distrib-coffee at time)
+</I>&gt;<i> + an svn read-only access to the code. The application is still limited,
+</I>&gt;<i> not beautifull but it can do the job of registering mirrors properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)
+</I>&gt;<i> Can be done only when rsync.mageia.org is setup (even temporary), I'll
+</I>&gt;<i> fully setup distrib-coffee to provide the full mageia tree.
+</I>&gt;<i> When this step will be done:
+</I>&gt;<i> - we'll be able to distribute small file massivelly if need
+</I>&gt;<i> - I'll be able to provide an alive mirror tree, so we'll can discuss the
+</I>&gt;<i> tree strucure
+</I>&gt;<i> - anyone wanting to do its own mirror will be able 'pre' setup it over this
+</I>&gt;<i> first Tier1 and registering it on the web application
+</I>&gt;<i> - we'll have a real testing mirror structure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: finding other Tier1 mirrors is still in progress.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) Documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> During the setup I'll write a documentation about how to properly do a
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia Mirror. This documentation will be addressed to anyone wanting to
+</I>&gt;<i> do a _public_ mirror with the rules to have officially validated.
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest having this documentation as text file at the top of mirror tree.
+</I>&gt;<i> This make faster to find as the first thing a mirror admin look is the
+</I>&gt;<i> mirror tree. This does not deny to reference it on Wiki.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once each step is done I'll send mail with the progress and all
+</I>&gt;<i> informations you can need to give feedback.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> About the mirror directories structure: I'll start another thread for this
+</I>&gt;<i> subject, so please be patient.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you have comment or proposal about this process ?
+</I>
+no comment, other than placing that documentation at the top of the mirror
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+&gt;<i> My wishlist is about graphics interface.
+</I>&gt;<i> If it is too late for designing a new theme (or improve iaora), we should use
+</I>&gt;<i> oxygen for KDE, and pack oxygen-molecule GTK theme for KDE integration.
+</I>&gt;<i> And about Gnome, we should use their base theme (forget the name)
+</I>
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+Apart versioning, my wishlist includes:
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+a) Erase Numlock service. Guys, that thing sucks!
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+b) Offer support to dial-up softmodens. Many Brasilian distros offer it, but is
+a polemical point, since that many softmodens drivers (like PCTEL HSP56MR) are
+covered by a proprietary license. Despite ADSL-like connections increase, too
+many people still using dial-up connections nowadays and is know that Linux
+distros forgot this hardware compatibility.
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+c) Improve installation on Virtualbox (bootmanager install).
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+d) No survey at install time!
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+e) No desktop icons to upgrade to paid Mageia Enterprise Professional PowerPack
+Gold Deluxe Edition!
+
+...
+
+More with time.
+
+Reguards.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> e) No desktop icons to upgrade to paid Mageia Enterprise Professional PowerPack
+</I>&gt;<i> Gold Deluxe Edition!
+</I>
+When will this version be available and what will it cost?
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-03 10:51:38 skrev chag:
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+&gt;<i> To stop joking, I think there's a real interest about named version.
+</I>&gt;<i> when you search on the web for a specific probleme for your specifiec
+</I>&gt;<i> release, the results are more acurate.
+</I>
+I think not.
+Almost all usage, and lots of issues are same or similar on Mandriva 2010.0
+and 2010.1. You would find less help if they were named Thomas and Alicia...
+
+Of they are numbered in sucession it is much easier to find.
+And yiu which one is elder without knowint their history.
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+Even as a sweede and car owner i can not tell in which order
+SAAB 9.3, 9.5, 90, 900 and 9000 was launced.
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+Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 12:27
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+&gt;<i> s/delayed/delayed or erased/.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not want to have the burden of manually approve 50 messages each
+</I>&gt;<i> day. While for the moment, I approves some of them and I can
+</I>&gt;<i> understand
+</I>&gt;<i> that people may do a error, if there is too much of them, I will
+</I>&gt;<i> prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> to use a strong incentive to make the user correct this after sending
+</I>&gt;<i> one or two warnings.
+</I>
+Well, that makes perfect sense, but OTOH you could whitelist the IP address
+of the dedicated mail server used by the ML&lt;&gt;forum gateway (it's a postfix
+install running on the same server as the forum and used ONLY for the
+forum&lt;&gt;ML gateway so whitelisting it wouldn't increase any spam risk).
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+Or if/when this gateway is on the future official forum, then all you would
+need to do is make mailman check the email address in LDAP, so people don't
+have to be needlessly subscribed to the list when they read it though the
+forum, it would be sufficient for them to be forum members (i.e.
+registered in LDAP).
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+So there are possible solutions that don't involve manual work for you and
+at the same time make the life easier for the users.
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+&gt;<i> Den 2010-10-03 10:51:38 skrev chag:
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To stop joking, I think there's a real interest about named version.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> when you search on the web for a specific probleme for your specifiec
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> release, the results are more acurate.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think not.
+</I>&gt;<i> Almost all usage, and lots of issues are same or similar on Mandriva 2010.0
+</I>&gt;<i> and 2010.1. You would find less help if they were named Thomas and Alicia...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of they are numbered in sucession it is much easier to find.
+</I>&gt;<i> And yiu which one is elder without knowint their history.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even as a sweede and car owner i can not tell in which order
+</I>&gt;<i> SAAB 9.3, 9.5, 90, 900 and 9000 was launced.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Except if the name is coded, like cats and dogs name. The first letter
+of the name is chosen accordingly to the birth year and you know that
+Ernst is one year older than Felix.
+The letter for 2010 is F.
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+<PRE>Op zondag 03 oktober 2010 13:46:36 schreef Andr&#233; Machado:
+[...]
+&gt;<i> a) Erase Numlock service. Guys, that thing sucks!
+</I>[...]
+actually, this doesn't seem to work well, with KDE and multiple sessions. my
+wife constantly complains that the numlock light is on, but the numlock itself
+doesn't work, tapping numlock, switches the light to off, but disables numlock,
+tapping it again, turns numlock on + the numlock LED.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hmm, so we could make everyone happy by using an numbered version plus a
+</I>&gt;<i> nickname (just like Ubunbtu does).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As long as the names are not the horrible, kitsch and embarrassing style
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> b) Offer support to dial-up softmodens. Many Brasilian distros offer it, but is
+</I>&gt;<i> a polemical point, since that many softmodens drivers (like PCTEL HSP56MR) are
+</I>&gt;<i> covered by a proprietary license. Despite ADSL-like connections increase, too
+</I>&gt;<i> many people still using dial-up connections nowadays and is know that Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distros forgot this hardware compatibility.
+</I>
+Nice of you to point this out. Although the choice of modem should be
+the users' responsibility (winmodems are usually hard to configure), it
+is still a concern that maybe the Mageia group/dev's could maybe
+concentrate on? Maybe, making the steps to dial-up modems a little more
+&quot;user-friendly&quot;? None of the distros take this into account as Linux is
+usually considered best done at ADSL hookups.
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+Quote: marc wrote on Sun, 03 October 2010 16:39
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+&gt;<i> Nice of you to point this out. Although the choice of modem should be
+</I>&gt;<i> the users' responsibility (winmodems are usually hard to configure)
+</I>
+With laptops it's unfortunately not the users' choice, unless the user adds
+an external modem in addition to the in-built winmodem (which wouldn't be
+ideal), so I agree, support for winmodem would be still very useful.
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+I have a laptop with winmodem and it actually works fine with Mandriva
+2008.1 (haven't tried never releases).
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+&gt;<i> On 03/10/10 14:09, Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hmm, so we could make everyone happy by using an numbered version plus a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nickname (just like Ubunbtu does).
+</I>
+Maybe names in alphabetical order,
+-so the name also functions as the enumeration itself;
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+Arthur
+Beatrice
+Ceasar
+...
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+Or maybe use non-personal names, alpabetically
+
+Ash (rising from it now ;) )
+Bush (coming from the wild...?)
+Cement (OK now the base is stable?)
+Destiny (heading there...)
+...
+
+Or periodical system by atom number
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+Hydrogen
+Helium
+...
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+&gt;<i> As long as the names are not the horrible, kitsch and embarrassing style
+</I>&gt;<i> names that Canonical use!
+</I>
+One extra step is to check with all communities that name does not mean
+something bad in any language or some persons name that some people hate, or
+is name of their god, hell, whatever.
+Periodical system should be easily OK i think...
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+support evaluation in a script: a single and not excessivly complicated
+regular expression should allow to detect whether a release is older or
+younger then a reference release. In case Mageia decides to name
+releases after the prophets figuring in the old testament, I would judge
+that this is too complicated (although you can certainly teach a script
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+&gt;<i> 2) Mirrors list
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll setup the promise web application (probably on distrib-coffee at time) + an
+</I>&gt;<i> svn read-only access to the code. The application is still limited, not
+</I>&gt;<i> beautifull but it can do the job of registering mirrors properly.
+</I>Maybe we could make this app be compatible with mirrorbrain[1], in
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+ <B>Denis MARCOUREL</B>
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+<PRE> Hello all,
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+I begin by apologizing for my bad English...
+
+Regarding the release cycle versions :
+1) We must first thinking of the developpers, and human and financial
+opportunities will define these cycles.
+2) Personally, I like the idea of a release every nine months, two for
+development and the third stable and maintained for X months or years.
+
+For the versions' name :
+- &quot;Les go&#251;ts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas&quot; (in french in the
+text...) : those of development can have any name that is easy to
+manage, and the stable version should be salable. A good compromise can
+be, for example :
+=&gt; Mageia 2011 Mandrake, Mageia 2013 Sorceress, Mageia 2015 Houdini, ...
+(with the year and names or terms of magic).
+
+And for the choice of desktop's environment and applications :
+- The means (human and technical) will decide. Best would be to put
+everything, but I think choices will be needed (at least for marketing
+with a possibly distribution for &quot;general public&quot;).
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+&gt;<i> For the versions' name :
+</I>&gt;<i> - &quot;Les go&#251;ts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas&quot; (in french in the
+</I>&gt;<i> text...) : those of development can have any name that is easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> manage, and the stable version should be salable. A good compromise can
+</I>&gt;<i> be, for example :
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt; Mageia 2011 Mandrake, Mageia 2013 Sorceress, Mageia 2015 Houdini, ...
+</I>&gt;<i> (with the year and names or terms of magic).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think we have to avoid using &quot;Mandrake&quot; as there already was a problem
+with that in Mandriva...
+But other than that I like the naming convention. But I think release
+cycles should be different.
+
+Linux development is much faster than two or three years ago, and having
+one release per 9 months might be too slow. I was thinking something
+like three times a year with dev releases in between. However; I think
+that if something is not ready to go in the main distro it shouldn't be
+pushed, so with tight scheduling features that are not ready are not
+going to be problematic to the end user.
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+&gt;<i> wife constantly complains that the numlock light is on, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> numlock itself doesn't work,
+</I>
+This is exactly the problem. Disabling this service, num lock led
+works correctly.
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+&gt;<i> maybe i should post a bugreport or something
+</I>
+Please do it!
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+would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area
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+&lt;a href=&quot;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org</A> &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org</A>&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-</A>
+flickr.png &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png</A>&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;
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+it must be
+&lt;a href=&quot;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/pool/</A> &lt;<A HREF="http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org">http://www.twitter.com/mageia_org</A>&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-</A>
+flickr.png &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png</A>&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;
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+&gt;<i> With laptops it's unfortunately not the users' choice, unless the user adds
+</I>&gt;<i> an external modem in addition to the in-built winmodem (which wouldn't be
+</I>&gt;<i> ideal), so I agree, support for winmodem would be still very useful.
+</I>
+Not only laptops. Many lay users buy magazine PCs that come with this
+winmodens and don't know differences behind them and a hardmodem.
+
+Also, I've seen bizarre things, like distros where the dialer is not installed
+and you need to download it from Internet. But how the user will download the
+dialer if the Internet does not work? No! Dial-up dialer should come installed
+as default.
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+Some softmodens are supported, such like these models:
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+<A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem">http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem</A> [Sorry, Mandriva link is too long]
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+But the point is that the most, like PCTel, Lucent and Motorolla, has licenses
+that restrict distribution - so include these drivers on Mageia can be illegal
+- and some drivers requires compile a kernel module to work - what not aways
+works. To lay user, can be very difficult compile and load a kernel module. So,
+we must pay close attention to this bit detail. Too many users what doesn't use
+Linux can begin to use it if the distro has this support. Too many of them still
+with a dual boot Win-Linux because of this.
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+</I>&gt;<i> would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area
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+The URL is correct, it's empty now, but it's the mageia flickr account
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
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+<PRE>On dimanche 03 octobre 2010 at 17:20, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote :
+&gt;<i> Or periodical system by atom number
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hydrogen
+</I>&gt;<i> Helium
+</I>&gt;<i> ...
+</I>
+I like this one :-)
+And you are good for more than one hundred versions!
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+Bis
+(sorry for the typo mistake and the html format of the previous mail)
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+would you please correct this in the source of the blog : in the widget area
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+&lt;a href=&quot;<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org">http://www.flickr.com/photos/mageia_org</A>&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-</A>
+flickr.png &lt;view-source:<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png">http://blog.mageia.org/fr/wp-content/images/icon-flickr.png</A>&gt;&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp;
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+sorry for the crossing mails...
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+&lt;The URL is correct, it's empty now, but it's the mageia flickr account
+&lt;that will be used later to upload pictures related to Mageia.
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+I thought it was an access to have a look to what pictures are proposed
+yet...
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+ from Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Or periodical system by atom number
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hydrogen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Helium
+</I>
+&gt;<i> I like this one :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> And you are good for more than one hundred versions!
+</I>
+No, it will collapse in recriminations the day we reach &quot;Aluminium&quot;.
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+Cheers,
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+Ron.
+--
+ God, I ask for patience.
+ And I want it right now!
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+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+there is always enough of those :) It will also relate to the fact that
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+&gt;&gt;<i> wife constantly complains that the numlock light is on, but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> numlock itself doesn't work,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>This is exactly the problem. Disabling this service, num lock led
+</I>&gt;<i>works correctly.
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+Have you tried chkconfig --override wife ?
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-03 19:19:29 skrev Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI:
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 03 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> from Renaud MICHEL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Or periodical system by atom number
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Hydrogen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Helium
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I like this one :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And you are good for more than one hundred versions!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, it will collapse in recriminations the day we reach &quot;Aluminium&quot;.
+</I>
+So we already are argueing ;)
+
+Getting serious,
+IMNSHO We should use international standards, and not fight
+about local variants.
+That also applies to date formats
+(i.e see <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601</A> for forums, whatever.
+
+The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC)
+adopted aluminium as the standard international name.
+(which is also used in many other languages other than english)
+Although alternate spellings are accepted, this is the standard.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 13:02, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> With laptops it's unfortunately not the users' choice, unless the user adds
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an external modem in addition to the in-built winmodem (which wouldn't be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ideal), so I agree, support for winmodem would be still very useful.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not only laptops. Many lay users buy magazine PCs that come with this
+</I>&gt;<i> winmodens and don't know differences behind them and a hardmodem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, I've seen bizarre things, like distros where the dialer is not installed
+</I>&gt;<i> and you need to download it from Internet. But how the user will download the
+</I>&gt;<i> dialer if the Internet does not work? No! Dial-up dialer should come installed
+</I>&gt;<i> as default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some softmodens are supported, such like these models:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem">http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem</A> [Sorry, Mandriva link is too long]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But the point is that the most, like PCTel, Lucent and Motorolla, has licenses
+</I>&gt;<i> that restrict distribution - so include these drivers on Mageia can be illegal
+</I>&gt;<i> - and some drivers requires compile a kernel module to work - what not aways
+</I>&gt;<i> works. To lay user, can be very difficult compile and load a kernel module. So,
+</I>&gt;<i> we must pay close attention to this bit detail. Too many users what doesn't use
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux can begin to use it if the distro has this support. Too many of them still
+</I>&gt;<i> with a dual boot Win-Linux because of this.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Another good point. I don't believe that in the case of KDE, the kppp is
+installed by default. However, it is on the Mandriva installation disk.
+But I can see how this could be a little confusing for the new user.
+
+As for proprietary winmodem drivers, there is nothing that Mageia could
+really do as drivers are normally not allowed to be distributed by third
+parties. But, like you mention, some softmodems are supported. I guess
+it all depends on how lucky/unlucky you are when you buy your desktop or
+laptop computer. On the positive side however, the trend for major
+computer builders this year is that they have been moving away from
+&quot;windows&quot; only modem/ethernet cards. They are including more OS
+inclusive hardware. Although, I believe that this has also a lot to do
+with the Kernel version used by Mageia as some of the OSS drivers are
+included in the kernel.
+
+So to re-cap this wish:
+
+-- Mageia should be a little more sensitive to users who have telephone
+hookups by providing and installing the tools right at the very first
+install. There should be no downloading of software at all if you are
+setting up a dial-up connection in the MCC (Mageia Control Centre)
+
+-- Mageia should also try to be sensitive to the telephone hook-ups by
+including the necessary tools for installing winmodems/softmodems.
+
+Cheers
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 03 octobre 2010 &#224; 06:25 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If you don't already have an automatically added userid on the forum,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then you can register as new user, but please make sure that you use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the SAME EMAIL ADDRESS as you used to subscribe to the mailing lists,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> otherwise your posts to the mailing list will need to be manually
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> approved by the Mageia mailing list admins, which means they will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be delayed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> s/delayed/delayed or erased/.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not want to have the burden of manually approve 50 messages each
+</I>&gt;<i> day. While for the moment, I approves some of them and I can understand
+</I>&gt;<i> that people may do a error, if there is too much of them, I will prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> to use a strong incentive to make the user correct this after sending
+</I>&gt;<i> one or two warnings.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If there were a way to streamline the approval process as Michael
+describes above, it would be a great way to cater to everyone's flavour
+of communication. It wouldn't matter is you used mailist, nntp, forums.
+The forum would just consolidate all the messages.
+
+I have been watching the threads and this is really cool. I have been
+using the Gmane so far, but for people who don't have access to the
+Gmane this is a very good option. For that matter, the Gmane almost
+becomes unnecessary.
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+Nice work.
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+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Or if/when this gateway is on the future official forum, then all you
+</I>&gt;<i> would need to do is make mailman check the email address in LDAP, so
+</I>&gt;<i> people don't have to be needlessly subscribed to the list when they read
+</I>&gt;<i> it though the forum, it would be sufficient for them to be forum members
+</I>&gt;<i> (i.e. registered in LDAP).
+</I>
+I think this could be a problem, because when you register to a forum you
+expect your email to be kept private (only known by the admins and
+moderators of the forum), but with this gateway, their messages would be
+posted to the MLs with their email and they could get the surprise to have
+people responding to them directly on their email which they thought was
+still private.
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+Perhaps there should be a setting in the (future) official forum that users
+would have to check explicitly, stating that they accept to have their
+answers posted to the MLs with their email, and if they don't check that
+option they would not be able to post the forums linked to the MLs (because
+it would be a pain to have answers only on one side).
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+--
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+&gt;<i> On 03/10/10 14:09, Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hmm, so we could make everyone happy by using an numbered version plus a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; nickname (just like Ubunbtu does).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As long as the names are not the horrible, kitsch and embarrassing style
+</I>&gt;<i> names that Canonical use!
+</I>
+Actually, Ubuntu's naming convention is perfect for their target market, there
+must be something right about it because it certainly hasn't hurt their market
+share.
+
+Besides which doing something because of a negative attitude is not a good
+idea. We should learn from there mistakes and make sure we don't repeat them
+rather than trying to avoid what was patently successful for them. :)
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+Cheers
+GL
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+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
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+&gt;<i> &gt; wife constantly complains that the numlock light is on, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; numlock itself doesn't work,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is exactly the problem. Disabling this service, num lock led
+</I>&gt;<i> works correctly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; maybe i should post a bugreport or something
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please do it!
+</I>
+<A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61187">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=61187</A>
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+Hi all,
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+We've been (a few of us) hanging out in #mageia-uk, and the name of the
+channel has annoyed some folks from the Ukraine, who wanted that name.
+So, we have a nother (unofficial) channel now, called #mageia-gb.
+However, when we looked at the ISO country codes, we discover that
+Ukraine would actually be UA, and SE is Sweden, not the Sammi language,
+as some thought.
+
+SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography (two-letter
+country codes as per the ISO list here:
+<A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>). or by
+language (such as en-gb)?
+
+If we could nail this down right away, it would save much grief later.
+
+Cheers,
+
+- --
+Patricia Fraser
+On the move
+Gnu/Linux 1997-2008 #283226 counter.li.org
+Dark Side - approach with caution
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Actually, Ubuntu's naming convention is perfect for their target market, there
+</I>&gt;<i> must be something right about it because it certainly hasn't hurt their market
+</I>&gt;<i> share.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Besides which doing something because of a negative attitude is not a good
+</I>&gt;<i> idea. We should learn from there mistakes and make sure we don't repeat them
+</I>&gt;<i> rather than trying to avoid what was patently successful for them. :)
+</I>
+I don't think it necessarily follows though that they are successful due
+to that naming convention. They might do even better were it not so naff
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">r.h.michel+mageia at gmail.com</A>&lt;r.h.michel%<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">2Bmageia at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+&gt;<i>
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+&gt;<i> but with this gateway, their messages would be
+</I>&gt;<i> posted to the MLs with their email
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Renaud Michel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>As far as I know, this is not the case.
+I posted a message from the test forum,
+<A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A>
+and it appears 'normally' on the ML (the same as if I had posted on the ML)
+No private email to see.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 15:12, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We've been (a few of us) hanging out in #mageia-uk, and the name of the
+</I>&gt;<i> channel has annoyed some folks from the Ukraine, who wanted that name.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, we have a nother (unofficial) channel now, called #mageia-gb.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, when we looked at the ISO country codes, we discover that
+</I>&gt;<i> Ukraine would actually be UA, and SE is Sweden, not the Sammi language,
+</I>&gt;<i> as some thought.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography (two-letter
+</I>&gt;<i> country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>). or by
+</I>&gt;<i> language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we could nail this down right away, it would save much grief later.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+My opinion is that we should try to follow ISO convention where it is
+applicable. Therefore the IRC'S would be:
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+#mageia-gb for United Kingdom
+#mageia-ua for Ukraine
+
+The same should be applied for dates. We should also follow the date
+format as set out by the ISO.
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+Let's follow standards where they are established.
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+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 03/10/2010 06:25, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I have set up a test web forum with bidirectional gateway to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia mailing lists.
+</I>&gt;<i> I did this primarily to test the forum&lt;&gt;ML gateway functionality
+</I>&gt;<i> with the hope that it will be also implemented in the future
+</I>&gt;<i> official Mageia forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yep this idea is really cool :)
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+But we need to do this properly because on a huge forum
+and with very active lists moderators will go crazy...
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+And we must also think of people who will suscribe to lists
+but who will not be pleased to see their names and posts on a
+well known forum
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+(the mls archives are far less attractive)
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+Your contribution on this part will be really positive for mageia i think :)
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+For the while we need to test and improve it so that it's bulletproof
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+&gt;<i> SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography (two-letter
+</I>&gt;<i> country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>). or by
+</I>&gt;<i> language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>
+Depends what people join channels for: language or local acquaintances?
+
+I would say we are going by language; that's what we will do for Web sites.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 15:30, Robert Wood a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Actually, Ubuntu's naming convention is perfect for their target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> market, there
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> must be something right about it because it certainly hasn't hurt
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their market
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> share.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Besides which doing something because of a negative attitude is not a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> good
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> idea. We should learn from there mistakes and make sure we don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> repeat them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather than trying to avoid what was patently successful for them. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it necessarily follows though that they are successful due
+</I>&gt;<i> to that naming convention. They might do even better were it not so naff
+</I>&gt;<i> a scheme. ;~)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If anything that Ubuntu is good at, it is to market their brand. They
+make sure consistently that their name is in some kind of media corner,
+and, as often as possible. I also don't think that their naming
+convention has too much to do with this. It is mostly due to their
+marketing knowledge and timing.
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+<PRE>On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 21:40, Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But we need to do this properly because on a huge forum
+</I>&gt;<i> and with very active lists moderators will go crazy...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes. I think there are many different ways to regulate the traffic of
+different lists. For example read only from the forum side for 'sensitive'
+lists.
+There must be a discussion to determine a structure of lists whith different
+properties such that the needs/desires of all participants (users,
+develppers, moderators, administrators ...) are met.
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+&gt;<i> And we must also think of people who will suscribe to lists
+</I>&gt;<i> but who will not be pleased to see their names and posts on a
+</I>&gt;<i> well known forum
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (the mls archives are far less attractive)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Your contribution on this part will be really positive for mageia i think
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the while we need to test and improve it so that it's bulletproof
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-03 13:02, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> With laptops it's unfortunately not the users' choice, unless the user
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> adds
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an external modem in addition to the in-built winmodem (which wouldn't be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ideal), so I agree, support for winmodem would be still very useful.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not only laptops. Many lay users buy magazine PCs that come with this
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> winmodens and don't know differences behind them and a hardmodem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Also, I've seen bizarre things, like distros where the dialer is not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and you need to download it from Internet. But how the user will download
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dialer if the Internet does not work? No! Dial-up dialer should come
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some softmodens are supported, such like these models:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem">http://wiki.debian.org/slmodem</A> [Sorry, Mandriva link is too long]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But the point is that the most, like PCTel, Lucent and Motorolla, has
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> licenses
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that restrict distribution - so include these drivers on Mageia can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> illegal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - and some drivers requires compile a kernel module to work - what not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> aways
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> works. To lay user, can be very difficult compile and load a kernel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> module. So,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we must pay close attention to this bit detail. Too many users what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> doesn't use
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Linux can begin to use it if the distro has this support. Too many of them
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> still
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with a dual boot Win-Linux because of this.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another good point. I don't believe that in the case of KDE, the kppp is
+</I>&gt;<i> installed by default. However, it is on the Mandriva installation disk. But
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see how this could be a little confusing for the new user.
+</I>
+kppp is suggested by kdenetwork4, so it'll be installed in a default install.
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+<PRE>On dimanche 03 octobre 2010 at 21:31, Frederic Janssens wrote :
+&gt;<i> &gt; but with this gateway, their messages would be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; posted to the MLs with their email
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as I know, this is not the case.
+</I>&gt;<i> I posted a message from the test forum,
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> and it appears 'normally' on the ML (the same as if I had posted on the
+</I>&gt;<i> ML) No private email to see.
+</I>
+But you are already registered to this ML, so this is not a problem.
+But if someone register only on the forum, does the messages they post (and
+which are subject to moderation actually) on the forum is also posted on the
+ML with the email they registered to the forum?
+If so, then their email will be posted to the ML while they might be
+thinking it was only used internally by the forum and not posted anywhere.
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+On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:43:15 +0200
+Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 3 oct. 2010 &#224; 21:12, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; a
+</I>&gt;<i> &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography (two-letter
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>). or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Depends what people join channels for: language or local
+</I>&gt;<i> acquaintances?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would say we are going by language; that's what we will do for Web
+</I>&gt;<i> sites.
+</I>
+In our case it was a local support channel for UK users, so it's
+geographic - could we support a mixture, so use the iso code for
+language if the channel is for language, but where there's a conflict
+fall back on the long form (such as en-gb)?
+
+We might have language stuff going on, but we also want to organise
+events and support local user groups, so it's really geographic in our
+case.
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+Cheers,
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+- --
+Patricia Fraser
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+&gt;<i> On Monday 04 Oct 2010 02:56:41 Robert Wood wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On 03/10/10 14:09, Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Hmm, so we could make everyone happy by using an numbered version plus a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; nickname (just like Ubunbtu does).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As long as the names are not the horrible, kitsch and embarrassing style
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> names that Canonical use!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually, Ubuntu's naming convention is perfect for their target market, there
+</I>&gt;<i> must be something right about it because it certainly hasn't hurt their market
+</I>&gt;<i> share.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Besides which doing something because of a negative attitude is not a good
+</I>&gt;<i> idea. &#160;We should learn from there mistakes and make sure we don't repeat them
+</I>&gt;<i> rather than trying to avoid what was patently successful for them. &#160;:)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Graham Lauder,
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> INGOTs Assessor Trainer
+</I>&gt;<i> (International Grades in Open Technologies)
+</I>&gt;<i> www.theingots.org
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Personally I like the tongue-in-cheek names in the Linux world (e.g.
+cat, dog, grep). Developers don't necessarily need to be a bunch of
+uptight code hackers... :)
+
+However I don't follow the ubuntu news that closely (but Opaque Okapi
+does sound nice, somehow rhymes with Obi-Wan Kenobi).
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 15:43, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 3 oct. 2010 &#224; 21:12, Patricia Fraser&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography (two-letter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>). or by
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Depends what people join channels for: language or local acquaintances?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would say we are going by language; that's what we will do for Web sites.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Could we follow conventional schemes such as:
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+ISO Country codes as found here:
+<A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A> --
+normally 2 letter code
+
+ISO Language codes as found here: <A HREF="http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp">http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp</A>
+-- normally 3 letter code for language (or you could also use the
+<A HREF="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php</A> -- also 3 letter
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+At least we would be follow standardized nomenclature schemes.
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+Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-03 15:12, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We've been (a few of us) hanging out in #mageia-uk, and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; name of the channel has annoyed some folks from the Ukraine,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; who wanted that name. So, we have a nother (unofficial) channel
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now, called #mageia-gb. However, when we looked at the ISO
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; country codes, we discover that Ukraine would actually be UA,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and SE is Sweden, not the Sammi language, as some thought.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or by language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If we could nail this down right away, it would save much grief
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; later.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My opinion is that we should try to follow ISO convention where
+</I>&gt;<i> it is applicable. Therefore the IRC'S would be:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-gb for United Kingdom
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-ua for Ukraine
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same should be applied for dates. We should also follow the
+</I>&gt;<i> date format as set out by the ISO.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's follow standards where they are established.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Using gb for the United Kingdom would possibly be politically
+dangerous, which is why UK websites are .co.uk .org.uk etc and
+not .co.gb .org.gb etc.
+
+The full name of our country is the &quot;United Kingdom of Great Britain
+&amp; Northern Ireland&quot; - using the GB code is offensive to people from
+Northern Ireland, because Northern Ireland is a valued part of the
+United Kingdom but is NOT part of Great Britain.
+
+As IRC is an internet service, I suggest we stay with UK for the
+United Kingdom (to match our websites) and Ukraine should be UA.
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+**Otford Ducks Computers**
+We teach, you learn...
+...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+</I>&gt;<i> kppp is suggested by kdenetwork4, so it'll be installed in a default install.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Ahmad. I wasn't aware that it was added by default now. Makes
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+&gt;<i> On Saturday 02 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> from Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You want more releases per year?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, I question whether we should be iron-bound to a fixed number, of whether
+</I>&gt;<i> we should wheel out a new release when it is ready and fit for consumption.
+</I>
+No one make sure the release is ready without deadline. If we don't say
+&quot;we release on $release_date&quot;, people will still continue to upload
+packages as usual.
+
+Now, if you want a release process like debian, I think you can simply use debian. Of course,
+it has its flaws ( like being long to actually do a release, go out with slightly outdated software
+that do not suit everybody, and produce lots of flamewar of the &quot;readyness&quot; of the distribution ).
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 01 octobre 2010 &#224; 12:46 +0200, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Oh, and this is why I have suggested from time to time to break noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; out of arch trees, so:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; would turn into:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; i586
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We can simply do a hardlink for this, so no space is wasted and no need
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to have different directory ( of course, the hardlink must be done maybe
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is already the case, didn't check ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, noarch are supposed to be hardlinked already.
+</I>&gt;<i> But it could make the upload process simpler to have noarch in a
+</I>&gt;<i> separate directory (no need to hardlink to all arches), and genhdlist2
+</I>&gt;<i> faster (by splitting out a noarch hdlist).
+</I>
+But this requires all arch to be synced.
+While we achieved this for x86 and x86_64, this was not the case in the
+past for sparc and ppc. Given the fact that arm is surely gonna play a
+important role, what would be the impact on various non synced ports of
+Mageia, if any ?
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> I have set up a test web forum with bidirectional gateway to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia mailing lists.
+</I>&gt;<i> I did this primarily to test the forum&lt;&gt;ML gateway functionality
+</I>&gt;<i> with the hope that it will be also implemented in the future
+</I>&gt;<i> official Mageia forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This forum ML gateway is in no way meant to preempt or compete with
+</I>&gt;<i> the future official forum, on the contrary once the official forum is
+</I>&gt;<i> up and running (hopefully with equivalent functionality), I expect
+</I>&gt;<i> to shutdown this test forum again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forum has already been filling up with posts since Friday
+</I>&gt;<i> afternoon, and it also creates automatically a forum user for every
+</I>&gt;<i> unique email address of senders of mailing list posts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Therefore if you have posted on the mailing lists in the past couple
+</I>&gt;<i> of days, you will find that you already have a forum userid.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to make use of it, go to the forum login page, enter
+</I>&gt;<i> your email address (the same one you use for the mailing lists!),
+</I>&gt;<i> click on &quot;forgot password&quot; and wait to receive an email for the
+</I>&gt;<i> password reset procedure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once you have your password you can login and post messages in the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list forums, which then will also be posted to the mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> lists.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you only want to use the forum to read the mailing list posts,
+</I>&gt;<i> then of course you don't need to register/login at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please notice that the FIRST post for each user from the forum to the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing lists takes about 5 minutes to get through, this is because
+</I>&gt;<i> the Mageia mailing lists have grey-listing active to avoid spam.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you don't already have an automatically added userid on the forum,
+</I>&gt;<i> then you can register as new user, but please make sure that you use
+</I>&gt;<i> the SAME EMAIL ADDRESS as you used to subscribe to the mailing lists,
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise your posts to the mailing list will need to be manually
+</I>&gt;<i> approved by the Mageia mailing list admins, which means they will
+</I>&gt;<i> be delayed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also to avoid spammers, every new user registration on the forum
+</I>&gt;<i> requires moderator (that would be me :) approval, so it can take
+</I>&gt;<i> up to 24 hours (but usually much less).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the direct link to the forum members pages, look here to
+</I>&gt;<i> see if you already have a userid:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=finduser&amp;usr_login=&amp;u">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=finduser&amp;usr_login=&amp;u</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> s=2&amp;btn_submit=Find
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forum main page is here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Myself and a few others have been testing the forum in the last few
+</I>&gt;<i> days, so I can say it's stable and works well, but of course it hasn't
+</I>&gt;<i> been tested under heavy load yet, so please be gentle... :)
+</I>&gt;<i> (this forum is running on a relatively low power rented virtual server
+</I>&gt;<i> so don't expect great performance under heavy load)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have any problems with the forum itself, please post them in
+</I>&gt;<i> the dedicated sub-forum called &quot;Forum discussion&quot;, don't post them
+</I>&gt;<i> here on the Mageia ML as it would be off topic.
+</I>&gt;<i> This sub-forum is obviously not replicated on any Mageia mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather
+</I>&gt;<i> than mailing lists, but still want to partecipate in the mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> discussions!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi there
+
+Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.
+
+However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are
+quite different from ML users.
+
+In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a
+distribution for &quot;developers&quot; or for &quot;end-users&quot; (well i know developers are
+also end-users). End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we
+will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum
+must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top
+posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just
+use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in
+computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how
+theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside
+those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite
+impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?
+
+Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. As a user i
+do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to
+navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more
+attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same
+thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,
+but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point
+and click, validate.
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+I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also
+two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc
+Par&#233; is on) ?
+
+So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me
+is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us
+will be on both tools but most will use just one.
+
+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+twitter : obagoom
+identi.ca : goom
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+<PRE>Margot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-03
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; or by language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My opinion is that we should try to follow ISO convention where
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it is applicable. Therefore the IRC'S would be:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #mageia-gb for United Kingdom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #mageia-ua for Ukraine
+</I>
+I don't know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there is a
+channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking German. I
+don't think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make
+sense.
+The reason for having those &quot;sub channels&quot; is, that people can speak in their
+own language...
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+<PRE>Le 3 oct. 2010 &#224; 22:05, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:43:15 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 3 oct. 2010 &#224; 21:12, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography (two-letter
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>). or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> by language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Depends what people join channels for: language or local
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> acquaintances? [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In our case it was a local support channel for UK users, so it's
+</I>&gt;<i> geographic - could we support a mixture, so use the iso code for
+</I>&gt;<i> language if the channel is for language, but where there's a conflict
+</I>&gt;<i> fall back on the long form (such as en-gb)?
+</I>
+After reading Marc's suggestion, maybe:
+ - keeping the 2 letters ISO format for locales (ie #mageia-fr for French, #mageia-en-gb for British English etc.),
+ - using full country name for local-based channels (ie #mageia-france, #mageia-greatbritain)
+
+could a solution? (although it makes for longer channel names).
+
+Using two letters code for country and 3 letters code for languages would be more confusing.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Actually, Ubuntu's naming convention is perfect for their target market,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there must be something right about it because it certainly hasn't hurt
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their market share.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Besides which doing something because of a negative attitude is not a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; good idea. We should learn from there mistakes and make sure we don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; repeat them rather than trying to avoid what was patently successful for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them. :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it necessarily follows though that they are successful due
+</I>&gt;<i> to that naming convention. They might do even better were it not so naff
+</I>&gt;<i> a scheme. ;~)
+</I>
+That is your opinion, and of course unprovable.
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+I remember when I first saw it I thought Cooooool somebody is going away from
+boring bloody decimals and numbers, people got a laugh out of it.
+
+The simple fact that it has got you focused on it means it was successful.
+
+In it's target market 18 - 35 yr old it was very successful, it got a buzz
+going, people trying to figure out what next, the mail lists fill with
+suggestions for the next funky name. (My personal favourite was Warty Warthog
+and I actually installed it. Too bad the I didn't like the interface and I
+dumped it after a week or two.)
+
+Ubuntu wanted to look funky and youthful and a little bit rebellious, they
+succeeded, good marketing. They targeted a market that was open to change to
+establish a credible User Base. It was also good marketing to later shift
+focus to numbering to broaden their market into more conservative space
+
+The point was that Ubuntu had a marketing plan right at the start. They had
+defined targets and geared the look, naming convention and branding for that
+market. There was a lot of complaining from other Distros that Ubuntu stole
+market share from them rather than MS and it was true, but instead of doing
+something about it most just cried into their beer. However it is also true
+that Ubuntu has taken more market share from MS than any other distro.
+
+When observing a marketing policy, you have to look past your own emotional
+response and try to see what the Marketer were trying to do. You may not
+agree with it or like it but what they did was successful, certainly more so
+than Mandriva.
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
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+&gt;<i> Margot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-03
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; or by language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; My opinion is that we should try to follow ISO convention where
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; it is applicable. Therefore the IRC'S would be:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; #mageia-gb for United Kingdom
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; #mageia-ua for Ukraine
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there is
+</I>&gt;<i> a
+</I>&gt;<i> channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking German.
+</I>&gt;<i> I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make
+</I>&gt;<i> sense.
+</I>&gt;<i> The reason for having those &quot;sub channels&quot; is, that people can speak in
+</I>&gt;<i> their
+</I>&gt;<i> own language...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Well, I think UK is a somewhat special case : english is the language for
+'everybody', so any 'local' conversation is submerged. Other laguages don't
+have that problem to that extent.
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+<PRE>On Monday 04 Oct 2010 09:18:16 Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 3 October 2010 20:57, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Monday 04 Oct 2010 02:56:41 Robert Wood wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 03/10/10 14:09, Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Hmm, so we could make everyone happy by using an numbered version plus
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; a nickname (just like Ubunbtu does).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As long as the names are not the horrible, kitsch and embarrassing style
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; names that Canonical use!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Actually, Ubuntu's naming convention is perfect for their target market,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there must be something right about it because it certainly hasn't hurt
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their market share.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Besides which doing something because of a negative attitude is not a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; good idea. We should learn from there mistakes and make sure we don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; repeat them rather than trying to avoid what was patently successful for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them. :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; GL
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Graham Lauder,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; INGOTs Assessor Trainer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (International Grades in Open Technologies)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; www.theingots.org
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Personally I like the tongue-in-cheek names in the Linux world (e.g.
+</I>&gt;<i> cat, dog, grep). Developers don't necessarily need to be a bunch of
+</I>&gt;<i> uptight code hackers... :)
+</I>
+Exactly, Linux has always been a little bit zany, I always love the kernel
+warnings: &quot;Oops I made a screwup&quot; is much better than &quot;Error&quot;
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However I don't follow the ubuntu news that closely (but Opaque Okapi
+</I>&gt;<i> does sound nice, somehow rhymes with Obi-Wan Kenobi).
+</I>
+LOL Cool, that is a tonque twister, a lot of spitting going on.
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+
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+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:49, Oliver Burger
+</I>&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; I don't know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; German. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; sense.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The reason for having those &quot;sub channels&quot; is, that people can speak in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; own language...
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I think UK is a somewhat special case : english is the language for
+</I>&gt;<i> 'everybody', so any 'local' conversation is submerged. Other laguages don't
+</I>&gt;<i> have that problem to that extent.
+</I>
+Agreed,
+ but what about the Republic of Ireland? And other countries speaking English
+as their native language?
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+&gt;<i> &gt; But you are already registered to this ML, so this is not a problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But if someone register only on the forum, does the messages they post
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (and which are subject to moderation actually) on the forum is also
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, noarch are supposed to be hardlinked already.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But it could make the upload process simpler to have noarch in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> separate directory (no need to hardlink to all arches), and genhdlist2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> faster (by splitting out a noarch hdlist).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But this requires all arch to be synced.
+</I>&gt;<i> While we achieved this for x86 and x86_64, this was not the case in the
+</I>&gt;<i> past for sparc and ppc. Given the fact that arm is surely gonna play a
+</I>&gt;<i> important role, what would be the impact on various non synced ports of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia, if any ?
+</I>
+Why would they be unsynced?
+If we have a separate directory for noarch, it could be shared by all
+arches, which means there would be no such unsync issue.
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+<PRE>2010/10/3 Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is your opinion, and of course unprovable.
+</I>
+Same as yours.
+
+You write a lot about how the naming and the colors ate away market
+shares. I never ever heard any Ubuntu user (nor even fan boys at
+events) talking about names or colors when describing the benefits of
+their distribution. Oh, and BTW: Ubuntu changed colors because a lot
+of Ubuntu users did not like the colors - how could they have been
+attracted by colors they don't like and want to be changed?
+
+What Ubuntu did very well and what made their success is based on 3
+parts (and I do not mean lots of money to win tenders in the business
+world):
+
+1. Give the users the illusion that it is their distribution and that
+it is what they are doing, not some company far away. With all
+appearances, all speeches and all publications Shuttleworth gave out
+one message: Ubuntu is you, you are Ubuntu. That was the top reason he
+succeeded to build a critical mass of organised users who became the
+most valued asset - a cost free PR system.
+
+2. Ubuntu lets people download ISOs just as all the others. But it
+also sends you CDs for free - I tried that once and 10 CDs were
+delivered to my door within 3 days. For new users this is far more
+attractive than any downloadable - what's it called, ISO?.
+
+3. PR, PR, PR, PR and then again PR. The media, print and web were
+flooded with PRs from Canonical, from local user organisations, etc.
+Ubuntu succeeded to have their name hammered into the attention of
+website and magazine readers, even non-IT media. Once started this is
+a runner.
+
+None of this is related to the color or some names. Ubuntu would have
+the same success, not one user less if they had never thought of those
+names.
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+When Mageia Association have the sufficient financial resources, won't it can
+make an agreement for these drivers deployment with yours manufacturers?
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+[PS: Gmane captcha: infringements ;) ]
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+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, noarch are supposed to be hardlinked already.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But it could make the upload process simpler to have noarch in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; separate directory (no need to hardlink to all arches), and genhdlist2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; faster (by splitting out a noarch hdlist).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But this requires all arch to be synced.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While we achieved this for x86 and x86_64, this was not the case in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; past for sparc and ppc. Given the fact that arm is surely gonna play a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; important role, what would be the impact on various non synced ports of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia, if any ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why would they be unsynced?
+</I>&gt;<i> If we have a separate directory for noarch, it could be shared by all
+</I>&gt;<i> arches, which means there would be no such unsync issue.
+</I>
+The problem will occurs if new noarch come from i586/x86_64 whereas
+another arch is no longer updated. Some dependencies will get broken
+between noarch &lt;=&gt; arch rpms (foo -arch- requires bar = 1 -noarch- and
+bar get update to version 2 for exemple).
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier Blin - blino
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+&gt;<i> Margot&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-03
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or by language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My opinion is that we should try to follow ISO convention where
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it is applicable. Therefore the IRC'S would be:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-gb for United Kingdom
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-ua for Ukraine
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there is a
+</I>&gt;<i> channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking German. I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make
+</I>&gt;<i> sense.
+</I>&gt;<i> The reason for having those &quot;sub channels&quot; is, that people can speak in their
+</I>&gt;<i> own language...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Here in South Africa, we have Both English and Afrikaans users, never
+mind the other 9 out of the 11 official languages we have.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OK, but as this would be targeted (also) to people that are not familiar
+</I>&gt;<i> with MLs, it should be made very clear that the message will be cross-posted
+</I>&gt;<i> with their email.
+</I>
+Yes, that's only a question of placement in the forum.
+
+Let's take the international Mandriva forum as example. You have
+several categories like Announcements, Community Chat, etc. You create
+a new category &quot;Mailing List Gateway&quot; where you have the various ML
+parts like in the test forum of tux99. Only those messages a user
+posts in there will be sent to the MLs, it's easy to put a describing
+sticky on top which explains what's it all about.
+
+I do not see the problems Olivier mentioned. For one there can not be
+top posting in the forum display. Same with HTML - there is no choice
+in the forum if you disable usage of BBCode in those ML sections. The
+messages will be sent in plain text to the ML.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 03 octobre 2010 &#224; 22:59 +0200, Olivier Blin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, noarch are supposed to be hardlinked already.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But it could make the upload process simpler to have noarch in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; separate directory (no need to hardlink to all arches), and genhdlist2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; faster (by splitting out a noarch hdlist).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But this requires all arch to be synced.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; While we achieved this for x86 and x86_64, this was not the case in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; past for sparc and ppc. Given the fact that arm is surely gonna play a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; important role, what would be the impact on various non synced ports of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia, if any ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why would they be unsynced?
+</I>
+Well, mainly because we traditionally did like this, as I said. I guess
+I was not clear :/
+
+&gt;<i> If we have a separate directory for noarch, it could be shared by all
+</I>&gt;<i> arches, which means there would be no such unsync issue.
+</I>
+We have 2 choices :
+- all arch synced ( ie, x86 and x86_64 for now, likely arm and others in
+the future )
+- main archs synced, others possibly unsynced ( either the time to be
+ported, or more &quot;permanently&quot; ).
+
+In the past, we did it the secund way. Arm was ported from stable
+release, ppc, sparc were develop as side arch, etc.
+
+Since arm buildbots may be slower than x86 builder, using solution 1
+( everything synced ) can cause trouble. Noarch rpm will be synced, but
+since some noarch depend on arch dependent rpms ( like python modules
+who depend on the version of python, or packages who produces
+arch-dependent and noarch rpms ), we will need to keep also binary rpm
+in sync.
+So that mean we will have to wait on the slower builder before
+uploading. Think of open office, for example.
+
+So if we want to offer cauldron arm, how will we do ?
+And if we do, would this impact the proposed layout ?
+
+--
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+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Frederic Janssens &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-03
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:49, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I don't know if we do need channels for geographic locations.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; E.g. there is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; speaking German. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; don't think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Swiss would make sense.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The reason for having those &quot;sub channels&quot; is, that people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; can speak in their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; own language...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Well, I think UK is a somewhat special case : english is the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; language for 'everybody', so any 'local' conversation is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; submerged. Other laguages don't have that problem to that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; extent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed,
+</I>&gt;<i> but what about the Republic of Ireland? And other countries
+</I>&gt;<i> speaking English as their native language?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>
+We wanted our own UK channel so we could organise the physical
+presence of Mageia promotors at events in the UK, and also for
+discussing problems relating to UK-specific hardware &amp; services.
+
+I can see no reason why there couldn't be a channel for IE, US, CA,
+NZ, AU and other English-speaking countries as well if they have
+people who want to organise local activity in their countries - we
+have taken the lead, it's up to people in those other countries to
+decide if they want to follow our example.
+
+--
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+<PRE>* Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>
+I did some work this Week-end:
+
+&gt;<i> 1) Seting up rsync.mageia.org
+</I>
+Done. Nothing really interesting to say except the current setup is
+temporary.
+
+&gt;<i> 2) Mirrors list
+</I>
+The application is availlable here:
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia-mirrors/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia-mirrors/</A>
+
+The svn can be fetch here:
+<A HREF="http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mgamirrors/">http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mgamirrors/</A>
+
+Short FAQ:
+
+* the application need css and some html improvement:
+ =&gt; patch welcome
+
+* some features are missing
+ =&gt; yes, I know
+
+Comment welcome.
+
+&gt;<i> 3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)
+</I>
+Done:
+<A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/</A>
+
+You can already try to setup a mageia mirror over this URL.
+
+The mageia_timestamp file is updated every 5 minutes on rsync.mageia,
+distrib-coffee perform synchronisation every 20 minutes.
+
+Think to register your mirror :)
+
+&gt;<i> 4) Documentation
+</I>
+A start is done:
+<A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</A>
+
+Patch welcome.
+
+Regards.
+
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+Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le 3 oct. 2010 &#224; 22:05, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; a
+</I>&gt;<i> &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:43:15 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Le 3 oct. 2010 &#224; 21:12, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; or by language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Depends what people join channels for: language or local
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; acquaintances? [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In our case it was a local support channel for UK users, so it's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; geographic - could we support a mixture, so use the iso code for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; language if the channel is for language, but where there's a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; conflict fall back on the long form (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After reading Marc's suggestion, maybe:
+</I>&gt;<i> - keeping the 2 letters ISO format for locales (ie #mageia-fr
+</I>&gt;<i> for French, #mageia-en-gb for British English etc.),
+</I>&gt;<i> - using full country name for local-based channels (ie
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-france, #mageia-greatbritain)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> could a solution? (although it makes for longer channel names).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Using two letters code for country and 3 letters code for
+</I>&gt;<i> languages would be more confusing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain.
+</I>
+Please read my other posts - #mageia-unitedkingdom would be OK,
+#mageia-greatbritain would NOT!
+
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+<PRE>On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 22:40, Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 06:25:58, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; than mailing lists, but still want to partecipate in the mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; discussions!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users
+</I>&gt;<i> are
+</I>&gt;<i> quite different from ML users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution for &quot;developers&quot; or for &quot;end-users&quot; (well i know developers
+</I>&gt;<i> are
+</I>&gt;<i> also end-users).
+</I>
+
+I thought the aim was to be a community distribution, so ideally it would be
+for both.
+
+End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we
+&gt;<i> will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum
+</I>&gt;<i> must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top
+</I>&gt;<i> posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And
+</I>&gt;<i> just
+</I>&gt;<i> use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in
+</I>&gt;<i> computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how
+</I>&gt;<i> theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users
+</I>&gt;<i> (outside
+</I>&gt;<i> those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch
+</I>&gt;<i> quite
+</I>&gt;<i> impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The advantage of a forum, for these problems, is that there is only one
+interface : the forum, and the administrator can configure it as much as he
+wants (or is able).
+So : no HTML is decide by the administrator, not by the 'end user'.
+(I just saw that 'wobo' explained it better than I do)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users.
+</I>
+
+That's just the reason for the gateway : to provide a way to communicate
+between users and developpers : developers usually hate forums, end-users
+usually are unable to use ML's properly.
+The fear has allready been expressed that if we open that communication
+channel, developers will be flooded.
+That is a real problem, and I think we have to use (existing, and eventually
+new) tools to limit that problem.
+
+
+As a user i
+&gt;<i> do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling)
+</I>&gt;<i> more
+</I>&gt;<i> attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same
+</I>&gt;<i> thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very
+</I>&gt;<i> efficient,
+</I>&gt;<i> but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to
+</I>&gt;<i> point
+</I>&gt;<i> and click, validate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is
+</I>&gt;<i> also
+</I>&gt;<i> two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> Par&#233; is on) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+</I>&gt;<i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way
+</I>&gt;<i> for me
+</I>&gt;<i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences,
+</I>
+
+How can you have a community if you have no means to communicate ?
+(Off topic example : I am belgian, Belgium is in danger of disintegrating
+because (amongst other factors) there are 2 'public opinions' with 2
+different languages, that do not communicate : there are no common mass
+media)
+
+
+&gt;<i> some of us
+</I>&gt;<i> will be on both tools but most will use just one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes but it is better to manage a communication problem, rather than just
+make sure that communication is very hard, so you can ignore the problem.
+
+I hope I don't come across as too opiniated.
+These communication problems are universal. I just think that Mageia is in a
+position to do better, because it can manage it's tools. And that it could
+greatly benefit by doing it.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>&gt;<i> Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> twitter : obagoom
+</I>&gt;<i> identi.ca : goom
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I can see no reason why there couldn't be a channel for IE, US, CA,
+</I>&gt;<i> NZ, AU and other English-speaking countries as well if they have
+</I>&gt;<i> people who want to organise local activity in their countries - we
+</I>&gt;<i> have taken the lead, it's up to people in those other countries to
+</I>&gt;<i> decide if they want to follow our example.
+</I>
+No problem, but that should not collide with the overall system. If we
+have the language order in IRC channels like mageia-fr, mageia-de,
+etc. then we should have mageia-en as the main english channel. For
+local use there could be mageia-en-uk or whatever as a subsection of
+&quot;en&quot;. If users of Switzerland want to have their local channel they
+could take mageia-de-ch, as example. This will not break the overall
+system.
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 03 octobre 2010 &#224; 21:12 +0000, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Marc,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When Mageia Association have the sufficient financial resources, won't it can
+</I>&gt;<i> make an agreement for these drivers deployment with yours manufacturers?
+</I>
+Well, how much is &quot;sufficient financial resources&quot; ?
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+
+&gt;<i> * Olivier Blin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; writes:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yes, noarch are supposed to be hardlinked already.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But it could make the upload process simpler to have noarch in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; separate directory (no need to hardlink to all arches), and genhdlist2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; faster (by splitting out a noarch hdlist).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; But this requires all arch to be synced.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; While we achieved this for x86 and x86_64, this was not the case in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; past for sparc and ppc. Given the fact that arm is surely gonna play a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; important role, what would be the impact on various non synced ports of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia, if any ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Why would they be unsynced?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If we have a separate directory for noarch, it could be shared by all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arches, which means there would be no such unsync issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The problem will occurs if new noarch come from i586/x86_64 whereas
+</I>&gt;<i> another arch is no longer updated. Some dependencies will get broken
+</I>&gt;<i> between noarch &lt;=&gt; arch rpms (foo -arch- requires bar = 1 -noarch- and
+</I>&gt;<i> bar get update to version 2 for exemple).
+</I>
+Well, we have to assume that all archs in the cauldron tree are always
+up-to-date :)
+
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+&gt;<i> Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top
+</I>&gt;<i> posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just
+</I>&gt;<i> use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in
+</I>&gt;<i> computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how
+</I>&gt;<i> theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside
+</I>&gt;<i> those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite
+</I>&gt;<i> impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?
+</I>
+In fact like wobo already said this is the strong point of the forum ML
+gateway, it ENFORCES bottom posting (by putting the cursor by default
+under the quoted text in the reply edit window), html and BB code are
+disabled in the ML sub-forums and threading is kept automatically by the
+forum, so a newbie can make a lot less netiquette mistakes by using the
+forum ML gw, then by using gmail or any other mail program.
+
+&gt;<i> Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users.
+</I>
+This is what former Mandriva devs are used to, as has always been
+customary in Mandriva, but it's by no means a general rule, there are
+devs on other projects that use forums instead.
+
+But that's beside the point as a forum ML gw simply gives everyone a
+choice, no one is forced to use the forum gw, but also no one is forced
+anymore to use the ML.
+
+Unlike a company with employees (like Mandriva), a community project
+needs to be attractive for all kinds of devs, if you tell new devs that
+they have to do as you say, they will just leave.
+Being flexible will attract more devs which surely is something a large
+project like Mageia wants.
+
+Personally even before internet I started on Fidonet forums in the
+early '90s, which is sort of comparable to mailing lists, then later
+Internet ML, usenet forums,etc.
+Everyone of these technolgies has had it's boom period, for me MLs
+these days are an archaic unpractical tool of the pre-history of the
+internet.
+
+But like I said, everyone has his/her preferences and that fine, since
+with a forum ML gw we can still all collaborate and communicate each
+with out preferred method.
+
+Keeping the community separated will not lead to a successfull
+community, separation and lack of communication (in both directions!)
+inevitably leads to frustrations, resentment and misunderstandings.
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+ <B>Lucien XU</B>
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+<PRE>On Saturday 02 October 2010 12:48:15 Lawrence A Fossi wrote:
+&gt;<i> Since 2011 is the target my wish list is simple.
+</I>&gt;<i> X.org Server 1.10
+</I>&gt;<i> Mesa 7.9
+</I>&gt;<i> Kernel 2.6.36.x
+</I>
+My wishlist is about graphics interface.
+If it is too late for designing a new theme (or improve iaora), we should use
+oxygen for KDE, and pack oxygen-molecule GTK theme for KDE integration.
+And about Gnome, we should use their base theme (forget the name)
+--
+Sorry if I'm breaking the thread, I'm using KMail B&#234;ta ...
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+</A><A NAME="1833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002065.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002061.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002046.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002062.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002066.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002072.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002054.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002059.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002020.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002024.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002025.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002035.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002045.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001824.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>F Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002037.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002042.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002057.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mika Laitio
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002058.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001842.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Denis MARCOUREL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002044.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001819.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002019.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002049.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002068.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002070.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002039.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001831.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002030.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002038.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002041.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002048.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002043.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001846.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002051.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001830.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001838.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001853.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001855.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002075.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="1849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001856.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002040.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002055.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lebarhon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002022.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Oct 3 23:51:24 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:46:35 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+ <HEAD>
+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 3 October 2010 Archive by date</title>
+ <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow">
+ <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii">
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>3 October 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 00:24:40 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 23:51:24 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 105<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001819.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mika Laitio
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001824.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>F Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001830.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001831.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001838.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001842.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001846.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002051.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="1849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001853.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lebarhon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001855.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001856.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Denis MARCOUREL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002019.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002020.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002022.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002024.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002025.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002030.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002035.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002037.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002038.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002039.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002040.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002041.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002042.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002043.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002044.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002045.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002046.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002048.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002049.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002055.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002054.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002057.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002058.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002059.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002061.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002062.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002065.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002066.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002068.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002070.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002072.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002075.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Oct 3 23:51:24 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:46:35 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
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+ <h1>3 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 00:24:40 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 23:51:24 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 105<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002038.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002040.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002048.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002055.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002054.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002057.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002059.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002072.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002035.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002045.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002049.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002065.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002068.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002070.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002061.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001830.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001831.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001838.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001846.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001853.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002037.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002039.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002042.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002044.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002046.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002066.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002075.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="1849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001819.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mika Laitio
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001824.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>F Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001842.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002051.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lebarhon
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001855.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="001856.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Denis MARCOUREL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002019.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002030.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002041.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002043.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002058.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002062.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002020.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002022.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002024.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002025.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Oct 3 23:51:24 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:46:35 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <hr>
+ <i>This archive was generated by
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+
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 3 October 2010 Archive by thread</title>
+ <META NAME="robots" CONTENT="noindex,follow">
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>3 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 00:24:40 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Sun Oct 3 23:51:24 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 105<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01286058280- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001819.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1819">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286058280-01286062542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001822.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1822">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286058280-01286062542-01286065006- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001824.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1824">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>F Janssens
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286059677- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002128.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2128">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286060924- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001820.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1820">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mika Laitio
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286061771- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001821.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1821">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286063909- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001823.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1823">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286065133- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001825.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1825">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286065133-01286106396- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001850.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1850">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286065133-01286106396-01286107089- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001851.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1851">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01286065133-01286106396-01286112496- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001856.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1856">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286112496-01286124429- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002019.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2019">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286112496-01286124429-01286127933- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002028.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2028">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dick Gevers
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286112496-01286124429-01286132370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002034.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2034">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002011.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2011">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782-01286117340- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002012.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2012">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782-01286117340-01286123648- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002017.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2017">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Denis MARCOUREL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782-01286117340-01286123648-01286124455- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002018.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2018">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782-01286117340-01286125321- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002021.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2021">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782-01286117340-01286125321-01286130723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002030.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2030">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782-01286117340-01286125321-01286130723-01286135979- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002043.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2043">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782-01286117340-01286125321-01286130723-01286135979-01286137945- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002050.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2050">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782-01286117340-01286125321-01286130723-01286135979-01286137945-01286140378- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002063.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2063">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286065133-01286106396-01286116782-01286117340-01286125321-01286130723-01286135979-01286137945-01286140378-01286142087- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002073.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2073">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286065164- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001826.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1826">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien XU
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286069829- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001827.html">[Mageia-discuss] Chinese translation for Mageia's page
+</A><A NAME="1827">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>You-Cheng Hsieh
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286079958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001828.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1828">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286079958-01286080411- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001829.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1829">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286079958-01286080411-01286080614- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001830.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1830">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286079958-01286080411-01286080614-01286081562- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001831.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1831">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286080411-01286080614-01286081562-01286081873- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001832.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1832">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286080411-01286080614-01286081562-01286081873-01286081929- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001833.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1833">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286080411-01286080614-01286081562-01286081873-01286082558- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001836.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1836">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286080411-01286080614-01286081562-01286081873-01286082558-01286083178- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001838.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1838">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286080411-01286080614-01286081562-01286081873-01286082558-01286083178-01286083414- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001839.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1839">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286080411-01286080614-01286081562-01286081873-01286082558-01286083178-01286083414-01286086730- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001840.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1840">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286079958-01286082086- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001834.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1834">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286079958-01286082086-01286082230- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001835.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1835">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01286079958-01286082086-01286082568- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001837.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1837">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286079958-01286101628- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001846.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1846">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286079958-01286101628-01286105045- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001847.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1847">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01286079958-01286101628-01286108217- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001853.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="1853">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286079958-01286101628-01286108217-01286131201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002032.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2032">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286101628-01286108217-01286131201-01286134274- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002037.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2037">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286101628-01286108217-01286131201-01286134274-01286136217- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002044.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2044">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286101628-01286108217-01286131201-01286134274-01286136217-01286136557- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002046.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2046">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286101628-01286108217-01286131201-01286134274-01286136217-01286136557-01286139373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002060.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2060">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286079958-01286101628-01286108217-01286131201-01286134274-01286136217-01286136557-01286139373-01286141259- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002066.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2066">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01286079958-01286101628-01286131079- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002031.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2031">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286079958-01286121964- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002016.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2016">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01286079958-01286134812- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002039.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2039">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286079958-01286134812-01286135666- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002042.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2042">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286079958-01286138445- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002053.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2053">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286079958-01286138445-01286141685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002071.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2071">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01286079958-01286138445-01286142684- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002075.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2075">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286093548- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001841.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1841">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286093548-01286100101- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001845.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1845">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286095012- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001842.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1842">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286095012-01286095898- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001843.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1843">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>chag
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286095012-01286095898-01286097474- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001844.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1844">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>herman
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001852.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1852">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001854.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1854">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>lebarhon
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001855.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="1855">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002010.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2010">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286119214- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002013.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2013">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286119214-01286125810- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002023.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2023">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286119214-01286125810-01286126369- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002026.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2026">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286119214-01286125810-01286126369-01286126988- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002027.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2027">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ireneusz Gierlach
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286119214-01286125810-01286126369-01286130794- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002029.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2029">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286132226- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002033.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2033">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286132226-01286134258- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002036.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2036">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Robert Wood
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286132226-01286134258-01286135141- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002041.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2041">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286132226-01286134258-01286138796- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002056.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2056">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286132226-01286134258-01286138796-01286140308- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002062.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2062">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286132226-01286137096- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002047.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2047">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286095012-01286095898-01286107984-01286108669-01286111375-01286114201-01286132226-01286137096-01286139035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002058.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2058">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286104621- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002051.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2051">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286105335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001848.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="1848">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286105662- -->
+<LI><A HREF="001849.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="1849">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286118579- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002052.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2052">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286118579-01286139589- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002061.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2061">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286118579-01286139589-01286140477- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002064.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2064">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286118579-01286139589-01286140477-01286142237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002074.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2074">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01286118579-01286139589-01286141410- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002067.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2067">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286120777- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002014.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2014">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286121645- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002015.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2015">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Funda Wang
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286125304- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002020.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2020">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286125304-01286125748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002022.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2022">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>nicolas vigier
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286125900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002024.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2024">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286126450- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002025.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2025">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Philippe DIDIER
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286133156- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002035.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2035">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286133156-01286134685- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002038.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2038">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286133156-01286134685-01286137968- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002049.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2049">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286133156-01286134685-01286137968-01286138958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002054.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2054">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286133156-01286134685-01286137968-01286138958-01286139028- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002057.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2057">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286133156-01286134685-01286137968-01286138958-01286139028-01286139542- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002059.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2059">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286133156-01286134685-01286137968-01286138958-01286139028-01286139542-01286141523- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002068.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2068">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286133156-01286134685-01286137968-01286138958-01286139028-01286139542-01286141523-01286141799- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002072.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2072">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286133156-01286134685-01286137968-01286138958-01286140896- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002065.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2065">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286133156-01286134995- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002040.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2040">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286133156-01286134995-01286136339- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002045.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2045">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286133156-01286134995-01286136339-01286138737- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002055.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2055">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286133156-01286134995-01286136339-01286138737-01286141655- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002070.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2070">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01286133156-01286134995-01286137782- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002048.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2048">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286141533- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002069.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2069">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Sun Oct 3 23:51:24 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 13:46:35 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+<PRE>On Monday 04 Oct 2010 10:11:48 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/3 Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That is your opinion, and of course unprovable.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Same as yours.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You write a lot about how the naming and the colors ate away market
+</I>&gt;<i> shares. I never ever heard any Ubuntu user (nor even fan boys at
+</I>&gt;<i> events) talking about names or colors when describing the benefits of
+</I>&gt;<i> their distribution. Oh, and BTW: Ubuntu changed colors because a lot
+</I>&gt;<i> of Ubuntu users did not like the colors - how could they have been
+</I>&gt;<i> attracted by colors they don't like and want to be changed?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What Ubuntu did very well and what made their success is based on 3
+</I>&gt;<i> parts (and I do not mean lots of money to win tenders in the business
+</I>&gt;<i> world):
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Give the users the illusion that it is their distribution and that
+</I>&gt;<i> it is what they are doing, not some company far away. With all
+</I>&gt;<i> appearances, all speeches and all publications Shuttleworth gave out
+</I>&gt;<i> one message: Ubuntu is you, you are Ubuntu. That was the top reason he
+</I>&gt;<i> succeeded to build a critical mass of organised users who became the
+</I>&gt;<i> most valued asset - a cost free PR system.
+</I>
+Indeed, but it was a holistic approach, nothing in isolation, everything
+worked together
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Ubuntu lets people download ISOs just as all the others. But it
+</I>&gt;<i> also sends you CDs for free - I tried that once and 10 CDs were
+</I>&gt;<i> delivered to my door within 3 days. For new users this is far more
+</I>&gt;<i> attractive than any downloadable - what's it called, ISO?.
+</I>
+Indeed, That was a stroke of genius, not so keen on doing that now but as you
+say, it grabbed new user base. OpenSUSE do this now, I had 200 DVDs sitting
+on my doorstep 5 days after ordering for Sofware Freedom day
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. PR, PR, PR, PR and then again PR. The media, print and web were
+</I>&gt;<i> flooded with PRs from Canonical, from local user organisations, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu succeeded to have their name hammered into the attention of
+</I>&gt;<i> website and magazine readers, even non-IT media. Once started this is
+</I>&gt;<i> a runner.
+</I>
+Oh yeah agreed
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> None of this is related to the color or some names. Ubuntu would have
+</I>&gt;<i> the same success, not one user less if they had never thought of those
+</I>&gt;<i> names.
+</I>
+On this I would disagree. Colour is incredibly powerful, emotion is
+incredibly powerful, style is incredibly powerful.
+
+None of the above would have worked without visual appeal and emotional
+connection. Ask any PR professional.
+
+The OpenSUSE dvds are a perfect example. The packaging up to 11.2 was
+designed by the community, Green and Grey looked very professional and well
+packaged. I did three events at the last years Software Freedom day and gave
+away about 30 of the hundred I had. I decided to make a play for LCA and got
+a box I think of 11.2 a sleeve with a picture of a grey CD on it and ended
+with a wjhole lot left over.
+
+Then Novell farmed out the production of the promo DVDs to a company called
+OpenSLX and they repackaged them, funky graphics aimed at a young market
+bright colours and no grey. There were a lot of unhappy people on the lists.
+Railing at this stupid colourful nonsense.
+
+The difference was at SFD this year I ran out of DVDs, all that I had I gave
+away. Packaging, colours, funky graphics it works, but not in isolation it
+has to be part of a whole package.
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
+OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+
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+<PRE>Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> If we have a separate directory for noarch, it could be shared by all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> arches, which means there would be no such unsync issue.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have 2 choices :
+</I>&gt;<i> - all arch synced ( ie, x86 and x86_64 for now, likely arm and others in
+</I>&gt;<i> the future )
+</I>&gt;<i> - main archs synced, others possibly unsynced ( either the time to be
+</I>&gt;<i> ported, or more &quot;permanently&quot; ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the past, we did it the secund way. Arm was ported from stable
+</I>&gt;<i> release, ppc, sparc were develop as side arch, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Since arm buildbots may be slower than x86 builder, using solution 1
+</I>&gt;<i> ( everything synced ) can cause trouble. Noarch rpm will be synced, but
+</I>&gt;<i> since some noarch depend on arch dependent rpms ( like python modules
+</I>&gt;<i> who depend on the version of python, or packages who produces
+</I>&gt;<i> arch-dependent and noarch rpms ), we will need to keep also binary rpm
+</I>&gt;<i> in sync.
+</I>&gt;<i> So that mean we will have to wait on the slower builder before
+</I>&gt;<i> uploading. Think of open office, for example.
+</I>
+Right, we probably don't want to wait for slower arches to finish their
+build to push i586/x86_64/src packages on the mirrors.
+
+Having unsynced noarch packages sort of defeats the goal of noarch
+packages, but well, it's probably better than waiting for arm builds on
+every upload.
+We could use qemu-arm to rebuild ARM packages from x86_64 build hosts
+(the OBS way), but rtp would probably not be happy with that, since the
+toolchain binaries are not tested on real hardware at build time.
+
+Using cross-compilantion would be even worse, since the ARM toolchain
+binaries would not even be run at build time; so you can get an ARM
+toolchain package that is built fine but is never used on the official
+build system, meaning you don't know if it can produce correct code, and
+you can't really trust it.
+
+Also, have unsynced ARM tree can cause some deps timing issue at build
+time.
+
+For example, one uploads a new gtk. Just after upload is finished (meaning
+built on i586 + x86_64), she uploads a new gimp with a buildrequire on
+this new gtk.
+This gimp should be built fine on i586 + x86_64, but will not get
+through on ARM because the gtk dep will probably not be available yet.
+
+
+Another solution could be the way we handled x86_64 at the beginning of
+its port in Mandrake. There was a iurt rebuild bot that was not
+triggered at upload time, but running in a loop to rebuild packages
+releases that were available on i586 but not yet on x86_64.
+
+--
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+ <B>Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl</B>
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+<PRE>Dne 3.10.2010 23:32, Olivier Thauvin napsal(a):
+&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) Mirrors list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The application is availlable here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia-mirrors/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia-mirrors/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Short FAQ:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comment welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can already try to setup a mageia mirror over this URL.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The mageia_timestamp file is updated every 5 minutes on rsync.mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> distrib-coffee perform synchronisation every 20 minutes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Think to register your mirror :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>
+Hi,
+nice job.
+
+Registering new mirrors doesn't work (yet I suppose),
+as it gives 'come back later' error message...
+
+Regards
+
+Tomas
+
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+<PRE>Hi all,
+
+After many opinions and suggestions exchanges, mails and thought we have
+started to work on forum thing.
+
+Considering our hope to grow we started to analyse the board engines
+with a few axis of needs :
+
+Work input data :
+----
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software_%28PHP%29">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software_%28PHP%29</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.big-boards.com/">http://www.big-boards.com/</A>
+<A HREF="http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/bbPress+FluxBB+FUDforum+Invision-Power-Board+MyBB+Phorum+phpBB+punBB+SMF+vBulletin">http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/bbPress+FluxBB+FUDforum+Invision-Power-Board+MyBB+Phorum+phpBB+punBB+SMF+vBulletin</A>
+
+(In this last link boards versions are not perfectly up-to date :-( )
+
+(and secunia resports about security alerts these last years)
+
+Axes :
+----
+
+1) Ability to hold under heavy loads and store many posts
+
+=&gt; phpBB3, vBulletin, Invision Power Board 2, MesDiscussions.net which
+are the most represented on big boards
+
+2) Moderation features
+
+=&gt; vBulletin, Invision Power Board 2, phpBB3, Simple Machines Forum 2, MyBB
+
+3) User Features
+
+=&gt; vBulletin, Invision Power Board 2, phpBB3, Simple Machines Forum 2,
+MyBB, FudForum
+
+4) Security
+
+=&gt; phpBB3, FudForum, vBulletin, Invision Power Board 2...
+
+(phpBB2 was not even considered as an option from the beginning)
+(MyBB was not very good)
+
+5) Look and ergonomy
+
+=&gt; vBulletin, Invision Power Board 2, phpBB3, Simple Machines Forum 2,
+MyBB...
+
+5) Opensource (GPL or AGPL)
+
+=&gt; phpBB3, FudForum, MyBB (GPLv3 \o/), punBB, phorum...
+
+
+
+Method and results :
+----
+
+We excluded proprietary software (wether free or not)...
+
+(Of course when it comes to usability and features vBulletin and
+Invision Power Board are far ahead... the goal was to find something
+hopefully able to compete with them) :
+
+So exit: vBulletin, Invision Power Board 2, Simple Machines Forum 2,
+MesDiscussions.net...
+
+Then we excluded forums with utf8 know issues like punBB...
+
+Then we excluded forums with too well known security issues discovered
+theses last years :
+
+So exit: MyBB (Sad for french people but that's life) and phorum...
+<A HREF="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/4144/?task=statistics">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/4144/?task=statistics</A>
+<A HREF="http://secunia.com/advisories/product/4479/?task=statistics">http://secunia.com/advisories/product/4479/?task=statistics</A>
+
+for Fudforum there were not much issues but one of them allowed system
+access... we saved it because of people enthusiasm on the lists :)
+
+Then we Excluded forums with bad organization of
+administration/moderation control panels and/or missing moderation features:
+
+So exit: fudforum (which also would have been painful to relook) and
+FluxBB also.
+
+Nota: Fud has got the very cool mailing list bridge that we should set
+up rather as soon as possible on the official board (but as already said
+this feature still needs to be thought about, discussed by people and
+heavily tested to avoid backfires... considering the current mailing
+lists trafic and the obvious lack of love of some packagers for forums
+this is not something to underestimate)
+
+
+
+=&gt; The survivor is phpBB3 which is n&#176;1 in big-boards.com and yet is far
+from perfect imho. It will need some tweaking (that others would have
+needed also : mainly about troll management, and also support
+enhancements for example to mark support topics as [solved]) to match
+more closely our needs...
+
+So we started to work on phpBB3 with ash (thanks to ennael personal
+funding)...
+
+One cool thing is that phpBB3 is published also through git so we are
+able to track upstream changes and merge them quickly into our running
+version without breaking local patches and enhancements. (The upgrade
+via this method has been successfully tested a few hours ago)
+
+At this precise minute we have a fresh new (skinned) up-to-date phpBB3
+running that still needs a few adds (language packs for example).
+
+Hope we'll be soon able to push DNS records so that everybody can get in
+and give us feedback and improvement proposals.
+
+Stay tuned,
+Ma&#226;t (a little bit tired... sorry my english is probably uglier than usual)
+
+
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+&gt;<i> Dne 3.10.2010 23:32, Olivier Thauvin napsal(a):
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> nice job.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Registering new mirrors doesn't work (yet I suppose),
+</I>&gt;<i> as it gives 'come back later' error message...
+</I>
+I just have a look, it works now even I don't understand why it was not
+working.
+
+Can you please give the url you tried to add then I'll have a look.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
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+&gt;<i> * Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">supp at mageia-devel.com</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dne 3.10.2010 23:32, Olivier Thauvin napsal(a):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> nice job.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Registering new mirrors doesn't work (yet I suppose),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as it gives 'come back later' error message...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I just have a look, it works now even I don't understand why it was not
+</I>&gt;<i> working.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Works correctly now.
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+</I>&gt;<i> Using gb for the United Kingdom would possibly be politically
+</I>&gt;<i> dangerous, which is why UK websites are .co.uk .org.uk etc and
+</I>&gt;<i> not .co.gb .org.gb etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The full name of our country is the &quot;United Kingdom of Great Britain
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; Northern Ireland&quot; - using the GB code is offensive to people from
+</I>&gt;<i> Northern Ireland, because Northern Ireland is a valued part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> United Kingdom but is NOT part of Great Britain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As IRC is an internet service, I suggest we stay with UK for the
+</I>&gt;<i> United Kingdom (to match our websites) and Ukraine should be UA.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Margot:
+
+Fortunately for all concerned, the issues with ISO country codes had
+nothing to do politically, it was by agreement by all. Ireland has its
+own country code all of its own. ISO agreement are traditionally closely
+monitored by the UN membership states.
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+</I>&gt;<i> I don't know if we do need channels for geographic locations. E.g. there is a
+</I>&gt;<i> channel #mageia-de which - in my opinion is for all people speaking German. I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't think separate channels for Germans, Austrians and Swiss would make
+</I>&gt;<i> sense.
+</I>&gt;<i> The reason for having those &quot;sub channels&quot; is, that people can speak in their
+</I>&gt;<i> own language...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The ISO country codes were devised for such situations. The recognized
+German language code is now &quot;ger&quot; as seen by the ISO Country code
+charts. It used to be &quot;de&quot;, however, &quot;ger&quot; is more representative of the
+spoken language and not of the country code and is now accepted as the
+language code for the german language.. In this case, if you are
+observing the ISO standard, #mageia-de signifies a German (country)
+channel. To represent the language, #mageia-ger would be representative
+of the german language speaking users. So, for example, where I live, it
+is a german-speaking community, Oktoberfest in Waterloo Canada is about
+to begin. The german-speaking community interested in speaking on an Irc
+Mageia channel would then look for #mageia-ger channel.
+
+It is a shame when we clamour for W3C and document standards adherence
+to then dis-regard the use of ISO country and language standards.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 22:45:37 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 3 oct. 2010 &#224; 22:05, Patricia Fraser&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sun, 3 Oct 2010 21:43:15 +0200
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Romain d'Alverny&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le 3 oct. 2010 &#224; 21:12, Patricia Fraser&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (two-letter country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> or by language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Depends what people join channels for: language or local
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> acquaintances? [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In our case it was a local support channel for UK users, so it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> geographic - could we support a mixture, so use the iso code for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> language if the channel is for language, but where there's a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> conflict fall back on the long form (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After reading Marc's suggestion, maybe:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - keeping the 2 letters ISO format for locales (ie #mageia-fr
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for French, #mageia-en-gb for British English etc.),
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - using full country name for local-based channels (ie
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-france, #mageia-greatbritain)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could a solution? (although it makes for longer channel names).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Using two letters code for country and 3 letters code for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> languages would be more confusing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please read my other posts - #mageia-unitedkingdom would be OK,
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-greatbritain would NOT!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is why using the ISO country code and ISO language code works. It
+sets the standard.
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The ISO country codes were devised for such situations. The recognized
+</I>&gt;<i> German language code is now &quot;ger&quot; as seen by the ISO Country code charts.
+</I>
+Thanks for this lecture, it's the first time I even hear/read about
+those 3-letter codes. In all the years of internet usage, in web,
+usenet, mail I never came across this. Whenever somebody referred to
+Germany and the language German it was &quot;de&quot;. You never stop
+learning...
+
+So we should change all the URLs for the language-specific pages like
+mageia.org/de into mageia.org/ger (and all other languages) same with
+the IRC channels, unless the channels are country-related. I wonder
+whether the users of such pages and channels know this. I don't think
+that anybody in Germany would search for &quot;ger&quot;...
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+How would you suggest to solve this?
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+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, that's a great job, really, nice to see such a thing is possible.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However i would like to point something very important for me, forum users are
+</I>&gt;<i> quite different from ML users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, throught this system we face one goal of Mageia. Will it be a
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution for &quot;developers&quot; or for &quot;end-users&quot; (well i know developers are
+</I>&gt;<i> also end-users). End-users, well just users may come from Windows (i hope we
+</I>&gt;<i> will attract some to the good side of the force :D ) and they feels a forum
+</I>&gt;<i> must easier than a ML. Just look at rules on the ML here, no html, no top
+</I>&gt;<i> posting, just quote well are things that needs to use mail correctly. And just
+</I>&gt;<i> use mail correctly is sometimes hard for just users. I do not work in
+</I>&gt;<i> computing and i just see how computers are seen, how they are used and how
+</I>&gt;<i> theses 3 rules would be hard to use. No HTML ? well i guess few users (outside
+</I>&gt;<i> those working in computing) knows how to do it, no top posting ... ouch quite
+</I>&gt;<i> impossible, quote well ... hum what do you calll quoting ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's face it, ML is a tool for developers not a tool for users. As a user i
+</I>&gt;<i> do prefer forums, on one topic i can have the full discussion no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> navigate between mails, there are colors, it is (or it give the feeling) more
+</I>&gt;<i> attractive and newbies or users will prefer using forums. That's the same
+</I>&gt;<i> thing between using GUI or CLI, i know CLI is powerful, faster, very efficient,
+</I>&gt;<i> but for users GUI is better, they feel at ease when using their mouse to point
+</I>&gt;<i> and click, validate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have also praticed a lot web forum, and a very little usenet and it is also
+</I>&gt;<i> two differents audience. Anyone here on alt.os.linux.mandriva (hum yes Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> Par&#233; is on) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+</I>&gt;<i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me
+</I>&gt;<i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us
+</I>&gt;<i> will be on both tools but most will use just one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You have actually enumerated the many reasons why this is such a great
+setup. Regardless of anyone's preference of communication, we can all
+talk to each other. It's as if there was a universal translator that
+would enable everyone to speak in their native language but we could all
+understand each other --- you know like on StarTrek Voyageur!
+
+Anyone can pick the way they want their voice to be heard and we can all
+hear, whether you are a dev or user. I don't think that there will ever
+be an efficient and unified communication tool, so if we can offer ML,
+usenet and forums to everyone to pick from, then it is a big plus for
+our distro. How wonderful is that?
+
+BTW ... I also manage an online magazine and receive messages from user
+mailists ... approximately 20-30 of them. They are pretty active and
+none of them are dev mailists.
+
+Eh! oui, je participe aussi &#224; alt.os.linux.mandriva mais je ne suis pas
+le seul du groupe usenet Mandriva qui est &#224; l'&#233;coute ici sur le Mageia
+mailist.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 17:41, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 03 octobre 2010 &#224; 21:12 +0000, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> When Mageia Association have the sufficient financial resources, won't it can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> make an agreement for these drivers deployment with yours manufacturers?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, how much is &quot;sufficient financial resources&quot; ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+One of the stories about this problem is that some of the modem, etho
+card manufacturers may have at one time &quot;borrowed&quot; proprietary code to
+make their hardware work. So, for some of them, there is no interest in
+having their code exposed.
+
+I think that most manufacturers are at the point where they can no
+longer disregard the linux user base. They will eventually all
+contribute if they want to sell more of their hardware.
+
+Marc
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+</I>&gt;<i> The OpenSUSE dvds are a perfect example. &#160;The packaging up to 11.2 was
+</I>&gt;<i> designed by the community, Green and Grey looked very professional and well
+</I>&gt;<i> packaged. &#160;I did three events at the last years Software Freedom day and gave
+</I>&gt;<i> away about 30 of the hundred I had. &#160;I decided to make a play for LCA and got
+</I>&gt;<i> a box I think of 11.2 a sleeve with a picture of a grey CD on it and ended
+</I>&gt;<i> with a wjhole lot left over.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then Novell farmed out the production of the promo DVDs to a company called
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenSLX and they repackaged them, funky graphics aimed at a young market
+</I>&gt;<i> bright colours and no grey. &#160;There were a lot of unhappy people on the lists.
+</I>&gt;<i> Railing at this stupid colourful nonsense.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The difference was at SFD this year I ran out of DVDs, all that I had I gave
+</I>&gt;<i> away. &#160;Packaging, colours, funky graphics it works, but not in isolation it
+</I>&gt;<i> has to be part of a whole package.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Matches my experience with CDs/DVDs on events. Put 20 CDs without
+colorful labels beside 100 CDs with colored labels, both stacks with
+the same software - you will end up with 20 unlabeled CDs left, no
+labeled left. That's obvious.
+
+The downside with this experiment is: at exhibitions many people grab
+everything which looks nice, then afterwards they start looking at
+those things and sorting out what to take home and what to throw away.
+You can see it everywhere at consumer exhibitions, be it Solutions
+Linux, Linux World Expo, Linuxtag - outside the buildings you will
+find lots of colorful nice looking things in the waste baskets.
+
+After I learned that back in 2000 where Mandrakelinux handed out 4000
+CDs on one weekend, I don't give anything on this particular feature.
+Don't get me wrong, the wrapping is important. But by the end of the
+day the contents is what counts, not the wrapping.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-03 20:19, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/4 Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The ISO country codes were devised for such situations. The recognized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> German language code is now &quot;ger&quot; as seen by the ISO Country code charts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for this lecture, it's the first time I even hear/read about
+</I>&gt;<i> those 3-letter codes. In all the years of internet usage, in web,
+</I>&gt;<i> usenet, mail I never came across this. Whenever somebody referred to
+</I>&gt;<i> Germany and the language German it was &quot;de&quot;. You never stop
+</I>&gt;<i> learning...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we should change all the URLs for the language-specific pages like
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org/de into mageia.org/ger (and all other languages) same with
+</I>&gt;<i> the IRC channels, unless the channels are country-related. I wonder
+</I>&gt;<i> whether the users of such pages and channels know this. I don't think
+</I>&gt;<i> that anybody in Germany would search for &quot;ger&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How would you suggest to solve this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'll just use my magazine as an example, when I post a news item, I post
+the country code. Some readers said that they were confused about this
+and I just posted a link in the FAQ to inform them. Most of the readers
+are now well informed of the system and I get very few comments about
+country codes anymore. <A HREF="http://www.EarlyMusicNews.org">http://www.EarlyMusicNews.org</A> (it's in kind of a
+live re-build right now -- for a couple of reasons.)
+
+There just needs to be an FAQ for the explanation to users and the IRC
+channels are already mostly there. If the UK users wish to have their
+own channel, then, following the naming pattern that Mageia has adopted
+it would be #mageia-uk for the UK country channel, #mageia-eng for the
+english language user channel; #mageia-de for the German country
+channel, #mageia-ger for the german language channel. Once people get
+the hang of it, it will be better understood. I don't really think it
+would be a big deal to re-organize.
+
+There will be the usual complaints from the few but the FAQ will just
+explain and common sense will prevail.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There will be the usual complaints from the few but the FAQ will just
+</I>&gt;<i> explain and common sense will prevail.
+</I>
+It's easy with a small set of users who are using a certain platform,
+I could possibly do that at mandrivauser.de as well. But if I would
+tell a user to join me on the German Mageia channel on IRC he would
+not find me because he does not know that the channel is mageia-ger
+instead of mageia-de.
+We are not talking about some users and some IRC channels. We are
+talking about the majority of users, we are talking about all IRC
+channels, and we are talking about all language related sub-pages of
+mageia.org. Same goes for all other language related things like in
+i18n the file de.po has to be renamed to ger.po and so on.
+
+We can not enforce this rule on one part of mageia.org and ignore it
+in an other part.
+
+--
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+It is a Good Thing to follow and apply new rules/standards, somebody
+has to start applying them.
+But if we want to do that we have to apply these rules on 3-char codes
+for languages everywhere on mageia.org.
+
+I'm sceptical on that but if we decide to do so, I will follow.
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+&gt;<i> Adding:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a Good Thing to follow and apply new rules/standards, somebody
+</I>&gt;<i> has to start applying them.
+</I>&gt;<i> But if we want to do that we have to apply these rules on 3-char codes
+</I>&gt;<i> for languages everywhere on mageia.org.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sceptical on that but if we decide to do so, I will follow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sometimes it is just too far gone to change.
+
+Marc
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+</I>&gt;<i> Sometimes it is just too far gone to change.
+</I>
+Exactly this is my point.
+But if you can't change everything you have to leave everythign as it
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+<PRE>On October 3 2010 2:37 pm, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+
+&lt;snip&gt;
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I have been watching the threads and this is really cool. I have been
+</I>&gt;<i> using the Gmane so far, but for people who don't have access to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Gmane this is a very good option. For that matter, the Gmane almost
+</I>&gt;<i> becomes unnecessary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nice work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+No! Gmane is essential. I certainly don't want to be dragged back kicking
+and screaming to the eighties. For me personally, a forum is OK for
+reference but awful for just looking at new posts.
+
+--
+Cliff
+
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+&gt;<i> The ISO country codes were devised for such situations. The recognized
+</I>&gt;<i> German language code is now &quot;ger&quot; as seen by the ISO Country code
+</I>&gt;<i> charts. It used to be &quot;de&quot;, however, &quot;ger&quot; is more representative of the
+</I>&gt;<i> spoken language and not of the country code and is now accepted as the
+</I>&gt;<i> language code for the german language.
+</I>
+Ok, there is an ISO standard telling me, that GER is more representative then
+DE. I understand that and I can't do anything about it.
+But why should that be the case? If I were somebody not speaking German (or
+&quot;deutsch&quot; as the German speaking people call it) I would search for GER, but
+if I were speaking German I wouldn't because I don't call my language German,
+I call it &quot;deutsch&quot;.
+No matter where you look, the German localization is called &quot;de&quot;, not &quot;ger&quot;.
+Just go to KDE, GNOME or any big distro.
+OO.o even calls the language packs &quot;de_DE&quot;, &quot;de_AT&quot; and &quot;de_CH&quot;. No GER again.
+I'm not an Austrian and not a Swiss, but I think, they won't have any problem
+with using &quot;de&quot; as code for the German language, not just the German national
+state.
+E.g. we do have quite some austrian and swiss members at mandrivauser.de who
+did never see any reason for founding mandrivauser.at or mandrivauser.ch.
+Because it would mean a lot of work to be done in triplets.
+
+I do think, that standardization commitees like the ISO (which in fact is an
+US american organization, just widely acknowledged) should go out andf look at
+reality before they decide on what is the standard.
+Of course, I am young enough to lear to change from de to ger, but the
+question is: does it make any sense at all?
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+&gt;<i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+</I>&gt;<i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me
+</I>&gt;<i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us
+</I>&gt;<i> will be on both tools but most will use just one.
+</I>
+I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together.
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+&gt;<i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+</I>&gt;<i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me
+</I>&gt;<i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us
+</I>&gt;<i> will be on both tools but most will use just one.
+</I>
+I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together.
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+-----Urspr&#252;ngliche Nachricht-----
+Von: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A> [mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss-bounces at mageia.org</A>] Im Auftrag von Oliver Burger
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+&gt;<i>I do think, that standardization commitees like the ISO (which in fact is an
+</I>&gt;<i>US american organization, just widely acknowledged) should go out andf look at
+</I>&gt;<i>reality before they decide on what is the standard.
+</I>&gt;<i>Of course, I am young enough to lear to change from de to ger, but the
+</I>&gt;<i>question is: does it make any sense at all?
+</I>
+&gt;<i>Oliver
+</I>
+
+As already mentioned in this thread. We have to differentiate between the language code and the country code. Both are standardized by the ISO. The German language code for example is 'de' where the country code ... hmmm if I look at the ISO 3166 the country code is DE too. But nevertheless, what I want to say is, that an IRC Channel per language is usefull but a channel per country is useless (IMHO). So we should focus at the language code, if there is a need of a standardization.
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 09:26, Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 22:40:45, Olivier M&#233;jean a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> will be on both tools but most will use just one.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>... provided that setting up such a bridge does not push developers and
+packagers to retreat to (future) Cauldron list or to ruletrash emails
+coming from the bridge (or even to switch to another distro with less
+draconian rules) :-/
+
+You can not force people to communicate without their assent :)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the
+</I>&gt;<i> only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category
+</I>&gt;<i> of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as
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+</I>&gt;<i> a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk
+</I>&gt;<i> together.
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+Hi,
+I love this last sentence.
+But I have just a point to underline : an end-user will neither adapt
+him to the discussions / methods / spirit / state of mind of a
+developper ... for the unik reason that's just impossible for him. If
+he adapt him, he's already a &quot;fucky good&quot; Geek : very near a developper.
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+So : other developpers adapt they to the way of life of end-users
+other you will neither have a discussion.
+
+At the end the distro will be made realy for end-users.
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+<PRE>Le 3 oct. 2010 &#224; 23:34, Margot &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">margot at otfordduckscomputers.co.uk</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please read my other posts - #mageia-unitedkingdom would be OK,
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-greatbritain would NOT
+</I>
+Sure, but that was just an example. Don't take offense! :)
+
+My answer was not to say which exact name to use but what scheme to
+use for local places/areas.
+
+Having read the full thread... using the 3-letters code for languages
+is definitely not so obvious for native speaker looking for their
+language.
+
+Having both #mageia-fr (country) and #mageia-fre (language) for
+instead looks really confusing (or #mageia-de/#mageia-ger).
+
+We're already refering to -fr, -de, -es, etc. as language-based channels.
+
+#mageia-france, -deutschland, -espana, -chile, -argentina (or some
+more locally designed community name) will look way more obvious for
+what they imply (location-based).
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+Quote: maat-ml wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 09:42
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+&gt;<i> ... provided that setting up such a bridge does not push developers
+</I>&gt;<i> and
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers to retreat to (future) Cauldron list or to ruletrash emails
+</I>&gt;<i> coming from the bridge (or even to switch to another distro with less
+</I>&gt;<i> draconian rules) :-/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can not force people to communicate without their assent :)
+</I>
+Maat this is unrational fear, that probably originates from the Mandriva
+past. You cannot run a pure community distro like a distro run by a
+commercial company, where paid developers (with the help of volunteer
+devs) do their job and then throw it out there for the 'wild hordes' to
+consume.
+
+A commercial distro attracts the kind of users who just want to be served a
+good product and if they are not happy about it they come complain.
+I perfectly understand why devs want to hide from those kinds of users.
+
+But a pure community distro attracts a different kind of user, users of
+community distros know they are not owed anything, that they are &quot;in debt&quot;
+with the devs and therefore the users behave differently. You can see that
+if you look at other pure community FOSS projects.
+
+If the official forums has clear rules and well organised subforums as I'm
+sure it will be, then users won't invade the ML (or the ML gw forums)
+simply because the rules will say that the dev ML is for developer talk
+only, while support questions need to go into the support subforums.
+
+Of course there will always be the odd user that misbehaves, but there will
+also be mods who will educate and worst case restrict users that don't
+behave.
+The main point though is, when the users is aware that all the devs are
+volunteers, then there is a lot more respect for them.
+
+XBMC is for example a FOSS project that has the developer subforums on the
+main user forum and from my experience this is respected by the users.
+see here: <A HREF="http://forum.xbmc.org/">http://forum.xbmc.org/</A>
+
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+Hi Thorsten,
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+&gt;<i> As already mentioned in this thread. We have to differentiate between
+</I>&gt;<i> the language code and the country code. Both are standardized by the
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO. The German language code for example is 'de' where the country
+</I>&gt;<i> code ... hmmm if I look at the ISO 3166 the country code is DE too.
+</I>&gt;<i> But nevertheless, what I want to say is, that an IRC Channel per
+</I>&gt;<i> language is usefull but a channel per country is useless (IMHO). So
+</I>&gt;<i> we should focus at the language code, if there is a need of a
+</I>&gt;<i> standardization.
+</I>
+Um... no, that's exactly the opposite of why the question was asked.
+The UK (or GB) channel was opened *specifically* for local
+support/action/events, not primarily for language support, so we *do*
+want a locality/geographically-based channel identifier.
+
+Some other folks want language-based channel identifiers.
+
+Seems like we need a scheme that would incorporate both types of
+identifier, and maybe some explanation of the identifiers on the
+blog/chanserv/whatever.
+
+Also we've noted that we don't have a structure for naming ops and
+granting privileges and so forth - need to think about that before the
+trolls turn up.
+
+Cheers,
+
+- --
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+<PRE>Le lundi 4 octobre 2010 09:42:02, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 04/10/2010 09:26, Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 22:40:45, Olivier M&#233;jean a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; will be on both tools but most will use just one.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can not force people to communicate without their assent :)
+</I>
+Yes, I know that my sentence sounds irrealistic or like a fairy tale...
+But I think we should discuss about what could change in our behaviours. Why couldn' we think about adapting the way of treating information ? That's juste what i'm saying, and you might have noticed that I'm not working in computers ;)
+Please, take into account that's only y point of view, and that my bad english makes me write my sentences not exactly as I would like to explain them :)
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+<PRE>Le 03/10/2010 23:32, Olivier Thauvin a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> * Olivier Thauvin (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>) wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did some work this Week-end:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1) Seting up rsync.mageia.org
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done. Nothing really interesting to say except the current setup is
+</I>&gt;<i> temporary.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2) Mirrors list
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The application is availlable here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia-mirrors/">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia-mirrors/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The svn can be fetch here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mgamirrors/">http://forge.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mgamirrors/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Short FAQ:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * the application need css and some html improvement:
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt; patch welcome
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * some features are missing
+</I>&gt;<i> =&gt; yes, I know
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Comment welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Done:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/">rsync://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/mageia/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can already try to setup a mageia mirror over this URL.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The mageia_timestamp file is updated every 5 minutes on rsync.mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> distrib-coffee perform synchronisation every 20 minutes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Think to register your mirror :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 4) Documentation
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A start is done:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patch welcome.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Juste try with my &quot;mobile mirror&quot; (a external usb disk who I use for
+events and IP)
+
+And it works \o/
+
+Thank you Olivier
+
+--
+Marianne (Jehane) Lombard
+Mandriva User - Mageia french translation team
+Inside every fat girl, there is a thin girl waiting to get out (and a
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-04 03:35:34 skrev Marc Par&#233;:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-03 21:30, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Adding:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is a Good Thing to follow and apply new rules/standards, somebody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; has to start applying them.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But if we want to do that we have to apply these rules on 3-char codes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for languages everywhere on mageia.org.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm sceptical on that but if we decide to do so, I will follow.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sometimes it is just too far gone to change.
+</I>
+Now in beginning is the right time to change.
+
+I really like 2 char country, 3 char language.
+And i love standards :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> If the official forums has clear rules and well organised subforums as I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> sure it will be, then users won't invade the ML (or the ML gw forums)
+</I>&gt;<i> simply because the rules will say that the dev ML is for developer talk
+</I>&gt;<i> only, while support questions need to go into the support subforums.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course there will always be the odd user that misbehaves, but there will
+</I>&gt;<i> also be mods who will educate and worst case restrict users that don't
+</I>&gt;<i> behave.
+</I>&gt;<i> The main point though is, when the users is aware that all the devs are
+</I>&gt;<i> volunteers, then there is a lot more respect for them.
+</I>
+Ma&#226;t's &quot;fear&quot; is not totally unrational. We had a lively discussion on
+the cooker ML not long ago where developpers gave some reasonable and
+logic points where &quot;intrudors from userland&quot; would hold back
+developpers from their work. Read the forums how some users keep
+asking for this and that - IMHO not at all related to the fact that
+they want to be served by some employees of a commercial company. The
+proper way to communicate with developpers was the Bugzilla system.
+
+But you have a valid point in saying that Mageia is/will be different.
+We already discussed a system of &quot;Bug Friends&quot;, experienced users in
+the forum helping unexperienced users to write proper bug reports to
+express their wishes/suggestions. The ML&lt;-&gt;Forum system with a good
+set of rules and mods who keep enforcing those rules would be a good
+system, too. In the Mandriva forum I was often told that an answer to
+my question was in the cooker mailinglist - I refused to read that
+lively list just to search for this particular answer. But with a
+forum-like structure I would have searched the ML even before asking.
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+will be in it's own section of the forum and it will be &quot;guarded&quot; by
+some mods. Otherwise the devels will look for some other way to remain
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+<PRE>Le Sunday 03 October 2010 22:29:42, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Could we follow conventional schemes such as:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO Country codes as found here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A> --
+</I>&gt;<i> normally 2 letter code
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO Language codes as found here: <A HREF="http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp">http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- normally 3 letter code for language (or you could also use the
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php</A> -- also 3 letter
+</I>&gt;<i> code)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At least we would be follow standardized nomenclature schemes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>Old 639-1 would be perfect IMO.
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes</A>
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+&gt;<i> Old 639-1 would be perfect IMO.
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> They're 2 letters and everybody knows them. Should be enough for us.
+</I>
+The good thing about 3 letters is that you easily see it is not a country
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+<PRE>2010/10/4 Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Den 2010-10-04 11:12:29 skrev cedbor:
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Old 639-1 would be perfect IMO.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They're 2 letters and everybody knows them. Should be enough for us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The good thing about 3 letters is that you easily see it is not a country
+</I>&gt;<i> code.
+</I>
+Provided you know about the 3-letter-code and the difference to the
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">philippedidier at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> to nicolas
+</I>&gt;<i> sorry for the crossing mails...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;The URL is correct, it's empty now, but it's the mageia flickr account
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;that will be used later to upload pictures related to Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I thought it was an access to have a look to what pictures are proposed
+</I>&gt;<i> yet...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe it could be so ... while waiting for the flickr account is fed
+</I>&gt;<i> (the reference having to be modified then !)
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+As Nicolas said, it's the good flickr account.
+The other (mageia-art) is just a pool and not an account.
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 &#224; 09:26 +0200, Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le dimanche 3 octobre 2010 22:40:45, Olivier M&#233;jean a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, even if there is a good tool to have a bidirectional Gateway between ML
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and web forum i don't think we will meet efficiency with it. The best way for me
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; is to have these different tools since they have different audiences, some of us
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be on both tools but most will use just one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we MUST have a good tool to do so, because it's probably the only way to allow
+</I>&gt;<i> end users to speak with developpers, ech category of people with its favorite tool. We
+</I>&gt;<i> cannot act the same way as Mandriva was doing, setting up two different tools, because
+</I>&gt;<i> it promotes the compartmentalization of the groups of users. If we want a distribution
+</I>&gt;<i> set for developpers AND en users, they must talk together.
+</I>
+Excuse me ?
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+You should maybe read what I posted on cooker last time this issue was
+brought up, I may even have already posted the link here
+<A HREF="http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-08/msg00358.php">http://lists.mandriva.com/cooker/2010-08/msg00358.php</A>
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+Developers ( and people who contribute in general ) are free to act as
+they want, there is no place for &quot;MUST&quot; in a community of volunteers, be
+it for free software or for association. While there is case where it
+will not work
+( <A HREF="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/04/101004fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/04/101004fa_fact_gladwell?currentPage=all</A> ), i think that we are no in such case.
+
+If you still think that's not true and try to coerce developers into
+reading users &quot;because they must do it&quot;, this will likely result in
+obvious clash, with user being unhappy ( because of false promise and
+false hope ), or a lack of growth in the contributers base ( with lose
+due to the usual erosion ), and at worst, a exodus to others projects. I
+do not know for others, but neither alternative seems good for me.
+
+See also my mail on
+<A HREF="https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100925/001191.html">https://mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100925/001191.html</A> on how
+we should try to improve things, based on what I think to be logical
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+ * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no
+strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language
+primarily)
+ * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2
+letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel)
+ * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme
+ * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme
+ * others?
+
+What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to
+their preferred channel.
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+So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}:
+ 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already);
+ 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding;
+ 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team
+- and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway;
+ 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding;
+
+In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and
+#mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both
+would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the
+coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed.
+
+That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for
+Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need
+#mageia-brasil instead.
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+That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a &quot;IRC
+Council&quot; of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to
+collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage
+technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the
+community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation
+soon).
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+Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 12:28
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+&gt;<i> Developers ( and people who contribute in general ) are free to act as
+</I>&gt;<i> they want, there is no place for &quot;MUST&quot; in a community of volunteers,
+</I>&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;<i> it for free software or for association.
+</I>
+Of course there is no &quot;MUST&quot;, nobody is forced to do anything.
+That said, a community only exists if there is interaction between ALL
+members of the comunity, so interaction MUST BE FACILITATED.
+
+The more obstacles there are for communication, the less a community will
+develop and improve.
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+<PRE>Le dimanche 03 octobre 2010 &#224; 21:12 +0200, Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We've been (a few of us) hanging out in #mageia-uk, and the name of the
+</I>&gt;<i> channel has annoyed some folks from the Ukraine, who wanted that name.
+</I>&gt;<i> So, we have a nother (unofficial) channel now, called #mageia-gb.
+</I>&gt;<i> However, when we looked at the ISO country codes, we discover that
+</I>&gt;<i> Ukraine would actually be UA, and SE is Sweden, not the Sammi language,
+</I>&gt;<i> as some thought.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SO, what we need to know is: are we going by geography (two-letter
+</I>&gt;<i> country codes as per the ISO list here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>). or by
+</I>&gt;<i> language (such as en-gb)?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we could nail this down right away, it would save much grief later.
+</I>
+My own opinion is that :
+1) a ruling would be too much dictatorial and bureaucratic
+2) we should hear both group in case of trouble
+3) we should also try to model this based on irc user expectations
+
+So, instead of trying to generalize naming, and trying to solve problem
+that do not show up, let's focus on the issue of -uk .
+
+How are the others community channel named for both groups ?
+
+Fedora :
+<A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#IRC</A>
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+#fedora-uk -&gt; united kingdom
+nothing for ukranian
+
+Debian :
+<A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> debian
+
+#debian-uk -&gt; united kingdom
+again, nothing for ukranian
+
+Ubuntu :
+<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A>
+<A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList</A>
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+#ubuntu-uk -&gt; united kingdom
+#ubuntu-ua -&gt; ukrainian
+
+Opensuse :
+<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:IRC_list">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:IRC_list</A>
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+nothing for both
+
+Gentoo :
+<A HREF="http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml">http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/irc.xml</A>
+#gentoo-uk -&gt; united kingdom
+#gentoo-ua -&gt; ukrainian
+
+Arch :
+<A HREF="http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IRC_Channels">http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/IRC_Channels</A>
+
+Nothing from both.
+
+Freebsd :
+<A HREF="http://wiki.freebsd.org/IrcChannels">http://wiki.freebsd.org/IrcChannels</A>
+Nothing rom both
+
+So, my own understanding is that most users would expect to have -uk to
+be us united kingdom, so we should follow this too.
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+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>On 10/04/2010 10:24 AM, Patricia Fraser wrote:
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Thorsten,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As already mentioned in this thread. We have to differentiate between
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the language code and the country code. Both are standardized by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ISO. The German language code for example is 'de' where the country
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code ... hmmm if I look at the ISO 3166 the country code is DE too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But nevertheless, what I want to say is, that an IRC Channel per
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> language is usefull but a channel per country is useless (IMHO). So
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we should focus at the language code, if there is a need of a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> standardization.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Um... no, that's exactly the opposite of why the question was asked.
+</I>&gt;<i> The UK (or GB) channel was opened *specifically* for local
+</I>&gt;<i> support/action/events, not primarily for language support, so we *do*
+</I>&gt;<i> want a locality/geographically-based channel identifier.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some other folks want language-based channel identifiers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'll go so far as to use South Africa as an example, We have many
+official languages, using .za is possibly the best solution as it is
+both the country and language code. I'm sure a good few other countries
+have similar. I know for one, if i was wanting to get support in German,
+I'd go to .de or French, I'd go to .fr. It's not that big a deal.
+&gt;<i> Seems like we need a scheme that would incorporate both types of
+</I>&gt;<i> identifier, and maybe some explanation of the identifiers on the
+</I>&gt;<i> blog/chanserv/whatever.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also we've noted that we don't have a structure for naming ops and
+</I>&gt;<i> granting privileges and so forth - need to think about that before the
+</I>&gt;<i> trolls turn up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I have over 15 years experience on IRC as both a Network admin right
+down to channel op, I can assure you, no structure will prevent trolls.
+What one can do is limit the trouble they cause as they cause it. I
+suggest the various Mageia channels get to know the server staff in
+#help and get brushed up on commands used on the type of IRCD that
+Freenode uses. As for naming ops, I'd steer away from granting ops to
+friends, but rather give it to those noteworthy and capable persons we
+have at our disposal.
+
+
+Rory Albertyn (Gripen on Freenode)
+&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i> On the move
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnu/Linux 1997-2008 #283226 counter.li.org
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for proprietary winmodem drivers, there is nothing that
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia could really do as drivers are normally not allowed
+</I>&gt;<i> to be distributed by third parties. But, like you mention,
+</I>&gt;<i> some softmodems are supported. I guess it all depends on how
+</I>&gt;<i> lucky/unlucky you are when you buy your desktop or laptop
+</I>&gt;<i> computer. On the positive side however, the trend for major
+</I>&gt;<i> computer builders this year is that they have been moving
+</I>&gt;<i> away from &quot;windows&quot; only modem/ethernet cards. They are
+</I>&gt;<i> including more OS inclusive hardware. Although, I believe
+</I>&gt;<i> that this has also a lot to do with the Kernel version used
+</I>&gt;<i> by Mageia as some of the OSS drivers are included in the
+</I>&gt;<i> kernel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So to re-cap this wish:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- Mageia should be a little more sensitive to users who
+</I>&gt;<i> have telephone hookups by providing and installing the tools
+</I>&gt;<i> right at the very first install. There should be no
+</I>&gt;<i> downloading of software at all if you are setting up a
+</I>&gt;<i> dial-up connection in the MCC (Mageia Control Centre)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- Mageia should also try to be sensitive to the telephone
+</I>&gt;<i> hook-ups by including the necessary tools for installing
+</I>&gt;<i> winmodems/softmodems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+Can I put in a plea on behalf of users who can't even use a
+telephone hook-up because of the appalling phone connection,
+e.g. in a rural area through Telecom Italia, and are obliged
+to depend on a 'dongle'?
+
+I found an installation procedure for my dongle freely
+available on the internet; it's not proprietary. In fact the
+Windows installation disk that comes with the dongle itself
+uses it. AFAICT it's the details of the dialer defaults, in
+particular the init strings, that would have to be sorted
+out for different broadband providers.
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+Doug
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already);
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding;
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team
+</I>&gt;<i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway;
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both
+</I>&gt;<i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the
+</I>&gt;<i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for
+</I>&gt;<i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-brasil instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a &quot;IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> Council&quot; of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to
+</I>&gt;<i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage
+</I>&gt;<i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the
+</I>&gt;<i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation
+</I>&gt;<i> soon).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I am just curious to know, if you are mailing a package to the Ukraine
+from France, would you use the UK code? I am not sure what system is
+used in Europe.
+
+In North America, UK would be sent to the United Kingdom.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 10:24, Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 4 octobre 2010 09:42:02, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can not force people to communicate without their assent :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I know that my sentence sounds irrealistic or like a fairy tale...
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think we should discuss about what could change in our behaviours. Why couldn' we think about adapting the way of treating information ? That's juste what i'm saying, and you might have noticed that I'm not working in computers ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, take into account that's only y point of view, and that my bad english makes me write my sentences not exactly as I would like to explain them :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry Fred i did not make my point clear :-(
+
+Your goal is something that i target too. Communication between end
+users and devs IS definetely something we want to exist.
+
+But we need to take into the debate what the various people want or
+reject to make something viable on the long run.
+
+The base of my point is this :
+
+1) Developers and packagers dont want to :
+-- be harrassed
+-- or to support stupid questions (think RTFM, STFW...)
+-- or see useless topics (like &quot;yey all see my new shiny pink desktop
+theme \o/&quot;)
+
+1.1) But they are always ready to :
+-- hear clever suggestions about missing cool feature or possible
+improvement
+-- and (of course) hear about real bugs
+
+2) Basic users want to:
+-- have their problems adressed... wether by (upstream or not) devs or
+packagers or support teams they don't care :)
+-- provide feedback with the sureness that it will be taken into account
+
+2.2) they dont want to:
+-- be blackballed by grunting dev / packager
+-- have their requests or feedback trashed
+
+So the inescapable conclusion is that we cannot avoid to think a kind of
+&quot;permeable membrane&quot; between the two communities that will :
+
+-- protect devs and packagers from useless topics or inconsequential
+chatter from end users
+-- allow subjects which deserve special attention to pass through
+(whether bugs or cool suggestions) and keep people linked on this
+particular subject
+
+So the bridge must not be systematic (or at least not systematically
+symmetric) and managed by human beings able to make the difference
+between subjects that will be worth the dev/packagers invested time...
+
+We could give moderators and forum support team the ability to click on
+a particular subject to create this special link. the simplest way is
+something like an alert sent to devs/packageds lists to catch their
+eye... the more complex way could be to allow devs/packagers to reply
+using the mailing list so that their answers appear on the forum.
+
+This would make (imho) devs more comfortable with user interaction and
+forums and in the same time make end user happy to have complex problems
+taken care of by brilliant people.
+
+And i'm pretty sure that forcing all to pass from a forum to a list
+would make devs escape from the linked list.
+
+The other way (systematic forward of lists to forums would bring volume
+and performances issues on the long run with the consequence of a poor
+user experience on the forums)
+
+Hope i made it clearer this time :)
+
+Ma&#226;t
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 06:42, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 12:28
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Developers ( and people who contribute in general ) are free to act as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they want, there is no place for &quot;MUST&quot; in a community of volunteers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it for free software or for association.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course there is no &quot;MUST&quot;, nobody is forced to do anything.
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, a community only exists if there is interaction between ALL
+</I>&gt;<i> members of the comunity, so interaction MUST BE FACILITATED.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The more obstacles there are for communication, the less a community will
+</I>&gt;<i> develop and improve.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to the
+table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are not
+forced to eat everything.
+
+So, if the communication schemes all come together and if there are
+enough devs and members on-board to create and manage the distro, some
+devs will follow some user threads/discussions and others will follow
+their own interesting user threads/discussions in their spare time. The
+same could then be said of the user base.
+
+The devs would then, presumably, talk at some point to the other devs of
+what they had read of interest in some user discussion and pass this
+information on to the other devs. The same could then be said of the
+user base, They would do the same.
+
+No one is forced to follow a thread/conversation, but realistically
+speaking one group could not function without the other. At some point
+you have to come up for air and take a look around at who else is
+participating in the distro. We can't all work in our little
+compartmentalized world.
+
+The gateway would be great as it would offer all of us insight into
+everyone's world. Much like a newspaper where we read articles of
+interest. Sometimes it is just nice to read the other sections of the
+newspaper.
+
+There will be as usual the disturbers who will every now and then join a
+discussion to cause problems or irritate the others. But, hey, this is a
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+Marc
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 &#224; 12:42 +0200, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 12:28
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Developers ( and people who contribute in general ) are free to act as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; they want, there is no place for &quot;MUST&quot; in a community of volunteers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it for free software or for association.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course there is no &quot;MUST&quot;, nobody is forced to do anything.
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, a community only exists if there is interaction between ALL
+</I>&gt;<i> members of the comunity, so interaction MUST BE FACILITATED.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The more obstacles there are for communication, the less a community will
+</I>&gt;<i> develop and improve.
+</I>
+I seldom see people asking to developers &quot;what can we do to help you
+communicate with non developers&quot;, as if their opinions did not count.
+
+Some people did ask us, for example wobo, and I think I clearly
+explained my point of view about this, but usually, that do not even
+happen.
+
+And after that, people wonder why it doesn't work.
+
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+Michael Scherer
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+Just some updates about the Mageia ML Gateway Test Forum:
+
+- I have added a notice with instructions on how to make sure that the
+Mageia mailing-list server will accept and propagate your posts made
+from the forum. PLEASE READ IT IF YOU USE THE ML GATEWAY FORUM!
+
+You can find it here:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=81">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=81</A>
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+- I have also added a notice on top of each ML sub-forum that points to
+the above instructions
+
+- while looking through the logs I found that a couple of posts made in
+the last 24 hours from the forum were not propagated by the Mageia
+mailing lists, they probably sit in the approval queue of the
+mailing-list admin (I believe that's Michael Scherer).
+It appears these were sent by fellow members who are subscribed to SOME
+of the MLs, but not to the specific one they posted to.
+
+In the interest of these fellow community members can the mailing-list
+admin please approve them, so they get propagated?
+
+I have addressed this particular issue in the instructions at the link
+above, please read and follow them before posting from the forum.
+
+- Last thing: as I said in my first post, my ML forum gateway is not a
+permanent setup, but rather a temporary solution until the official
+forum has an equivalent feature.
+I will keep this forum running until the official forum has an
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+
+&gt;<i> managed by human beings able to make the difference
+</I>&gt;<i> between subjects that will be worth the dev/packagers invested time...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>(i agree)
+
+
+this could be done with the triage team, in that function very much like a
+pre-sorting.
+The experience of the old forum shows that it is difficult to do this
+without much formalized at the outset.
+
+I fully endorse the idea. The essence of the forum makes it difficult to
+reconcile automation and quality report. And whatever your technical choice.
+
+In more general terms, this should be the same triage team who cares (or at
+least those involved to sort information on the forum is part of the team
+yards). That makes sense for the organization to avoid an erosion of wills.
+
+finally, +1 could be sufficient ;)
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+Quote: marc wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 13:21
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to
+</I>&gt;<i> the
+</I>&gt;<i> table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are not
+</I>&gt;<i> forced to eat everything.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, if the communication schemes all come together and if there are
+</I>&gt;<i> enough devs and members on-board to create and manage the distro, some
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> devs will follow some user threads/discussions and others will follow
+</I>&gt;<i> their own interesting user threads/discussions in their spare time. The
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> same could then be said of the user base.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The devs would then, presumably, talk at some point to the other devs
+</I>&gt;<i> of
+</I>&gt;<i> what they had read of interest in some user discussion and pass this
+</I>&gt;<i> information on to the other devs. The same could then be said of the
+</I>&gt;<i> user base, They would do the same.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No one is forced to follow a thread/conversation, but realistically
+</I>&gt;<i> speaking one group could not function without the other. At some point
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you have to come up for air and take a look around at who else is
+</I>&gt;<i> participating in the distro. We can't all work in our little
+</I>&gt;<i> compartmentalized world.
+</I>
++1000
+Marc, you expressed my opinion exactly, but much better than I could put it
+in words :)
+
+&gt;<i> There will be as usual the disturbers who will every now and then join
+</I>&gt;<i> a
+</I>&gt;<i> discussion to cause problems or irritate the others. But, hey, this is
+</I>&gt;<i> a
+</I>&gt;<i> common problem in any setup.
+</I>
+Precisely, and that's why a forum has moderators.
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+<PRE>On Monday 04 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+So do I: There are so many to choose from ;-3p
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+&gt;<i> ISO Language codes as found here: <A HREF="http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp">http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- normally 3 letter code for language (or you could also use the
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php</A> -- also 3 letter
+</I>&gt;<i> code)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> At least we would be follow standardized nomenclature schemes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>Old 639-1 would be perfect IMO.
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes</A>
+They're 2 letters and everybody knows them
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+</I>&gt;<i> - Last thing: as I said in my first post, my ML forum gateway is not a
+</I>&gt;<i> permanent setup, but rather a temporary solution until the official
+</I>&gt;<i> forum has an equivalent feature.
+</I>&gt;<i> I will keep this forum running until the official forum has an
+</I>&gt;<i> equivalent gateway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If anything that we should be is thankful for the temporary use of your
+forums., You have shown how the gateway does work. It is a good working
+model that the official forums, even if the tools are different, could
+take a serious look at. If this model works for communication between
+all the participating groups, well, that is one step in the &quot;we should
+have&quot;, where the official forums developers can consider explored. They
+will not have to wonder if the community can operate in such a system
+when the groups were voluntarily and reacting positively to it.
+
+So I wonder, is Tux99 part of the official forums dev group? He could
+obviously bring good experience and advice to the group.
+
+Thanks for the temporary use of the forums! Quite impressive!
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> 02.10.2010 18:22, Remco Rijnders kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, Andr&#233; Machado wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 2011.0 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 2001.1 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 11.01 ? :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 1.0 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 20xx.0 -&gt; 20xx.1 is perfect. Tho' 20xx.0 should be released at spring time and 20xx.1 later
+</I>&gt;<i> the same year. At the moment it doesn't make sense and many friends have asked why is 20xy
+</I>&gt;<i> released in 20x(y-1).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Exactly. Mandriva version numbering sounds like we are selling cars.
+(You know, all image and no substance.)
+So let's go for Mageia 2010.1 if we can do it this fall. (Hopefully)
+And Mageia 2011.0 in the spring.
+Note that we will have to recompile to change Mandriva to Mageia, so
+changing the version number should cause no problem.
+&gt;&gt;<i> How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> for a release made in March. That way we are always &quot;up to date&quot; and can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> if needed / fitting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don't
+</I>&gt;<i> like it. When the release needs to be delayed it's better to do so. Not to push it out and
+</I>&gt;<i> then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don't have to remember
+</I>&gt;<i> which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1.
+If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you
+want to have to change the names of 100's of files ?
+Including the dependancies in the RPM's ?
+Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1.
+
+And why would you want 3 releases in a year ? With the pace of changes
+in Linux, 2 seems just right. If there are any important updates, for
+security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system
+we are inheriting (like virtually all others).
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>- Andr&#233; (andre999)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-03 15:30, Robert Wood a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Actually, Ubuntu's naming convention is perfect for their target
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> market, there
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> must be something right about it because it certainly hasn't hurt
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> their market
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> share.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Besides which doing something because of a negative attitude is not a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> good
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> idea. We should learn from there mistakes and make sure we don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> repeat them
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> rather than trying to avoid what was patently successful for them. :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think it necessarily follows though that they are successful due
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to that naming convention. They might do even better were it not so naff
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a scheme. ;~)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If anything that Ubuntu is good at, it is to market their brand. They
+</I>&gt;<i> make sure consistently that their name is in some kind of media
+</I>&gt;<i> corner, and, as often as possible. I also don't think that their
+</I>&gt;<i> naming convention has too much to do with this. It is mostly due to
+</I>&gt;<i> their marketing knowledge and timing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>I agree. And certainly not due to their drab brown theme colour, either.
+Bottomless pockets for advertising and promotion doesn't hurt any ...
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+</I>&gt;<i> from France, would you use the UK code? I am not sure what system is
+</I>&gt;<i> used in Europe.
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+it's been two weeks now since we announced Mageia and, again, thank you.
+
+We are still amazed by the amount of contributions, discussions and enthusiasm
+here. We hope it will enable us to build a strong, great Linux distribution
+that benefits users, upstream and adjacent projects.
+
+As well as working on/setting up the legal side, founding docs, the very first
+pieces of infrastructure, meeting people, we have discussed and thought about
+the governance model for the project. Here is the result.
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+It is not a rigid structure and we are definitely open to comments and
+adjustements as things go (hence the &quot;draft&quot;); but we do mean to start
+with this schema for the first year.
+
+As stated in the announcement, this model has two targets:
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+ * ensure that the project direction &amp; management is done by volunteer people
+ that are recognized by their peers as having valuable role and insight
+ into the project (no 3rd party take-over);
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+ * enable the project to learn and improve on itself.
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+Of course, that only won't prevent heated discussions, decisions to be taken
+(and justified) or failure - all this construction will only work because of
+reciprocal trust, goodwill and desire of all participants, plus a working schema
+for discussion, decision and conflict resolution.
+
+To summarize, the whole project is organized in several groups:
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+ * Mageia project Teams (developers, packagers, docs, translators, designers,
+ etc. sponsored/mentored from the whole community),
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+ * Mageia project Community Council (people elected from each team),
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+ * Mageia association members (basically, founding association members &amp; past
+ members of the council who can be on and elect the board),
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+ * Mageia project &amp; association Board (direction of the project).
+
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+Because things are organized this way does not mean that there is a strict
+hierarchical relationship between entities. This governance model is here
+to coordinate the work of everyone and identify who is in charge of what.
+
+Here is the doc: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org</A>
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+Now, having read all this, beyond other discussion, here is a little point
+about Teams, where actually everything starts; here are teams we have already
+on the wiki:
+ * Packaging team
+ * Security team
+ * Developers team
+ * Documentation team
+ * Translation team
+ * QA team
+ * Triage team
+ * Users communities management and representation team; this one is pretty
+ big so it may need to organize into three dedicated groups:
+ * forums
+ * mailing-lists
+ * IRC
+ * local groups
+ * Web team
+ * Designers
+ * Marketing team
+ * Communication team
+
+
+That makes for a lot of people; about 300 at this time if we count everyone
+who enlisted.
+
+Now, this is practically a bit odd for a start, of course, since no team exist
+formally yet. So we will go to freeze today's list of members of each team
+and those will be the first round teams.
+
+Each team will have to decide on itself, for the next two weeks:
+
+ * what is in the mentoring program exactly (for instance, Packaging team
+ has to take into account alternative packaging practices and explain
+ why/how it is expected to work in Mageia and how it could evolve);
+
+ * how/who to sponsor (don't sponsor just a good friend, but someone who
+ can bring great things to your team and the project);
+
+ * for their Council Representative, Team leader and Team backup;
+
+ * for a list of ranked work topics to submit to the Council and Board
+ for the project and for the first distribution release (we will
+ announce Board's plans about that a bit later); these will be sorted
+ through for the long-term roadmap and will help to get a picture
+ of what we could do; see see <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_Method">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoSCoW_Method</A>
+ for simple priorities;
+
+ * propose/ask the tools they would need to explore/use to work collectively
+ (in- and cross-teams; see at the end of this post).
+
+
+Ok... This is already a LOT of information. We may post more specific
+discussion about:
+ * Community Council and Board roles, Board nomination and communication
+ channels (all lists are not active for now);
+ * Teams sponsoring/mentoring process, election and constitution process;
+ * tools; again, this is a per-team definition but we can certainly share
+ that;
+ * something else?
+
+Your input is welcome and PLEASE:
+ * quote the original message,
+ * use text-only,
+ * be specific in your answers.
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+Cheers,
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+Romain
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+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for a release made in March. That way we are always &quot;up to date&quot; and can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if needed / fitting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like it. When the release needs to be delayed it's better to do so. Not to push it out and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don't have to remember
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1.
+</I>&gt;<i> If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you
+</I>&gt;<i> want to have to change the names of 100's of files ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Including the dependancies in the RPM's ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1.
+</I>
+I don't see why you'd want to put the release name in the name of a RPM
+anyway.
+
+&gt;<i> And why would you want 3 releases in a year ? With the pace of changes
+</I>&gt;<i> in Linux, 2 seems just right. If there are any important updates, for
+</I>&gt;<i> security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system
+</I>&gt;<i> we are inheriting (like virtually all others).
+</I>
+I don't think it is too unlikely to have a December scheduled release
+slipping to January. What do you do in that event?o
+
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+<PRE>Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 23, Mageia 37. Sounds good? At least for me it doesn't :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora 14 beta is out. Slackware 13.1, too. But when we get there, we
+</I>&gt;<i> can improvise. We can do like Corel DRAW! X4 , that has a impact name
+</I>&gt;<i> and is the 14th version (X4 = X + 4 and X is 10 in Roman numerals). Or
+</I>&gt;<i> we can use both, eg: M$ Office 2010 is, internally, Office 14.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For more than a version to year, we can use months, sequential numbers
+</I>&gt;<i> or a strange numbering system like Mageia 1.0.20110101 where last part
+</I>&gt;<i> is YYYYMMDD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Numbering with the date appended is more suitable for individual
+applications, like Mozilla (Firefox or Thunderbird or Seamonkey), or
+Openoffice (or Go-oo or Libreoffice) among others.
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+Since a distro like Mageia is a collection of applications from various
+sources, it is useful to indicate at least the year in the version
+number, to indicate generally the vintage of the applications contained.
+I favour something like 2010.1 for this fall, or 2011.0 for the spring.
+(avoiding the car model type numbering of Mandriva, which would be
+&quot;2011.0&quot; and &quot;2011.1&quot;.)
+It could just as easily be 10.1 or 11.0, for a shorter number that is
+somewhat more distinct from Mandriva numbering. But with the full year
+included, it is obvious that it is indeed the year.
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+A name like &quot;Breezy something&quot; (I forget what), indicates nothing about
+its age to those not very familiar with the distro, is it older or newer
+than &quot;somethingelse&quot; from the same distro ?
+The lack of numbering could create unnecessary problems attracting
+serious users to Mageia.
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 10:22, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Quote: maat-ml wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 09:42
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You can not force people to communicate without their assent :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maat this is unrational fear, that probably originates from the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> past. You cannot run a pure community distro like a distro run by a
+</I>&gt;<i> commercial company, where paid developers (with the help of volunteer
+</I>&gt;<i> devs) do their job and then throw it out there for the 'wild hordes' to
+</I>&gt;<i> consume.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Nope. This is just common sense.
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+Mageia is thought to remain user friendly and potentially desktop oriented
+even if there is a raising demand of Mageia for servers.
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+So we WILL have newbies and we need to take care that they are properly
+welcomed.
+
+Debian would have to face the very same problem if they decided to
+target new linux users
+and non technical users. We are not a new Debian... even if we there are
+many domains in which
+we have things to learn from them :)
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+Developers can live without users because they are their own users :)
+The contrary is not true...
+
+&gt;<i> A commercial distro attracts the kind of users who just want to be served a
+</I>&gt;<i> good product and if they are not happy about it they come complain.
+</I>&gt;<i> I perfectly understand why devs want to hide from those kinds of users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>We will have still newbies and people that see themselves as customers
+even if what they get is free (as in freedom AND and in free beer)
+
+The basic uneducated end-user often feels he's got the right to require
+something that &quot;just work&quot;... and often tries to enforce hes view to people
+with rude words... that understandable...
+
+...and that quite normal that a developper/packager feels that difficult
+to endure :)
+
+&gt;<i> But a pure community distro attracts a different kind of user, users of
+</I>&gt;<i> community distros know they are not owed anything, that they are &quot;in debt&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> with the devs and therefore the users behave differently. You can see that
+</I>&gt;<i> if you look at other pure community FOSS projects.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Perhaps that will be true in the veeeery long run. for the coming year
+and the next
+and the next... that's completely false imho :)
+&gt;<i> If the official forums has clear rules and well organised subforums as I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> sure it will be, then users won't invade the ML (or the ML gw forums)
+</I>&gt;<i> simply because the rules will say that the dev ML is for developer talk
+</I>&gt;<i> only, while support questions need to go into the support subforums.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Moderators and Support team will have to face many other problems.
+
+The beginning of a forum makes those people quite busy with forum
+user &quot;basic&quot; education (post a new topic for a new subject for example).
+
+These basic rules take time before people abide by them...
+
+More complex rules are a far bigger challenge...
+
+&gt;<i> Of course there will always be the odd user that misbehaves, but there will
+</I>&gt;<i> also be mods who will educate and worst case restrict users that don't
+</I>&gt;<i> behave.
+</I>&gt;<i> The main point though is, when the users is aware that all the devs are
+</I>&gt;<i> volunteers, then there is a lot more respect for them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> XBMC is for example a FOSS project that has the developer subforums on the
+</I>&gt;<i> main user forum and from my experience this is respected by the users.
+</I>&gt;<i> see here: <A HREF="http://forum.xbmc.org/">http://forum.xbmc.org/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I also comes from a projet which had been using fudforum as a full
+symmetric gateway for several lists (users, devs).
+
+People answering existing topics for a new subject force moderators to
+split them
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+Hence the thread is broken on the mailing list (and no way to change
+back thread id on a mailing list)
+
+=&gt; devs and advanced users angry
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+And if moderators don't split the thread people on forums are lost (and
+people on the list are angry also)
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+People answering on the lists using an existing thread for a new subject
+make devs angry also
+
+And on forums moderators need to split the topics...
+
+But at each new answer on the old thread the posts goes to the old topic...
+so moderators need to split-then-merge for each new message !
+
+On a tiny forum with few activity mailing lists that can be bearable...
+when it comes to bigger forum and active lists the number of cases that
+moderators will have to deal with manually will make this unlivable.
+
+You can trust me underestimating the problems with this
+mutli-communities-communication problem would bring more harm than good.
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+But as i said to Frederic there is here a real need that we need to
+answer to properly :)
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+All the best,
+Ma&#226;t
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+&gt;<i> I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to
+</I>&gt;<i> the table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are
+</I>&gt;<i> not forced to eat everything.
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+</I>devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your bowl :)
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 10:11, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 04/10/2010 13:21, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not forced to eat everything.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your bowl :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and that's precisely what we should try to avoid :)
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+Not quite sure what you mean. So by letting devs pick out the
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+want to participate?
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+<PRE>Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Monday 04 Oct 2010 10:11:48 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/3 Graham Lauder&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That is your opinion, and of course unprovable.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Same as yours.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> You write a lot about how the naming and the colors ate away market
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shares. I never ever heard any Ubuntu user (nor even fan boys at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> events) talking about names or colors when describing the benefits of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their distribution. Oh, and BTW: Ubuntu changed colors because a lot
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of Ubuntu users did not like the colors - how could they have been
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> attracted by colors they don't like and want to be changed?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What Ubuntu did very well and what made their success is based on 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> parts (and I do not mean lots of money to win tenders in the business
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> world):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Give the users the illusion that it is their distribution and that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it is what they are doing, not some company far away. With all
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appearances, all speeches and all publications Shuttleworth gave out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> one message: Ubuntu is you, you are Ubuntu. That was the top reason he
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> succeeded to build a critical mass of organised users who became the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most valued asset - a cost free PR system.
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, but it was a holistic approach, nothing in isolation, everything
+</I>&gt;<i> worked together
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>There was a lot of money invested in that promotion. Money talks.
+&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Ubuntu lets people download ISOs just as all the others. But it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> also sends you CDs for free - I tried that once and 10 CDs were
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> delivered to my door within 3 days. For new users this is far more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> attractive than any downloadable - what's it called, ISO?.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, That was a stroke of genius, not so keen on doing that now but as you
+</I>&gt;<i> say, it grabbed new user base. OpenSUSE do this now, I had 200 DVDs sitting
+</I>&gt;<i> on my doorstep 5 days after ordering for Sofware Freedom day
+</I>That was a major factor. They were the first distro to do that, having
+the $ to do it.
+&gt;&gt;<i> 3. PR, PR, PR, PR and then again PR. The media, print and web were
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> flooded with PRs from Canonical, from local user organisations, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ubuntu succeeded to have their name hammered into the attention of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> website and magazine readers, even non-IT media. Once started this is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a runner.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh yeah agreed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Again, $ didn't hurt.
+
+Another factor was focusing on excellent documentation. (They paid for
+much of this, as well.) Particularly on their CD, for the installation
+process. At the time, starting Linux on much hardware was problematic,
+despite the fact that the Linux kernel accepted many options to overcome
+these difficulties.
+Extensive documentation on the Ubuntu CD permitted me to correct some
+booting configuration problems on my Mandriva system. (My system
+booted, but some things didn't work.)
+I stayed with Mandriva because of better package selection, including
+urpmi and the mcc.
+None of this is related to the colour or names.
+&gt;&gt;<i> the same success, not one user less if they had never thought of those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> names.
+</I>&gt;<i> On this I would disagree. Colour is incredibly powerful, emotion is
+</I>&gt;<i> incredibly powerful, style is incredibly powerful.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes yes. Ugly drab brown is particularly attractive.
+Don't forget, the CDs were mailed out for free, to anyone asking for
+them, without questions. (Just an email adresse.)
+&gt;<i> None of the above would have worked without visual appeal and emotional
+</I>&gt;<i> connection. Ask any PR professional.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Emotional connexion, makes sense. Helped by extensive advertising and
+promotion.
+&gt;<i> The OpenSUSE dvds are a perfect example. The packaging up to 11.2 was
+</I>&gt;<i> designed by the community, Green and Grey looked very professional and well
+</I>&gt;<i> packaged. I did three events at the last years Software Freedom day and gave
+</I>&gt;<i> away about 30 of the hundred I had. I decided to make a play for LCA and got
+</I>&gt;<i> a box I think of 11.2 a sleeve with a picture of a grey CD on it and ended
+</I>&gt;<i> with a wjhole lot left over.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then Novell farmed out the production of the promo DVDs to a company called
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenSLX and they repackaged them, funky graphics aimed at a young market
+</I>&gt;<i> bright colours and no grey. There were a lot of unhappy people on the lists.
+</I>&gt;<i> Railing at this stupid colourful nonsense.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The difference was at SFD this year I ran out of DVDs, all that I had I gave
+</I>&gt;<i> away. Packaging, colours, funky graphics it works, but not in isolation it
+</I>&gt;<i> has to be part of a whole package.
+</I>Having distributed the DVDs, it could be considered a success from a
+marketing point of view.
+However the important is attracting users who will actually use the
+distribution, continue to use it, and hopefully contribute to ensure its
+success.
+This requires a lot more than gloss.
+And I suspect that the first batch could well have had more success in
+these terms than the second, in targeting those more likely to contribute.
+(Kids like fancy looking DVDs - they make great frisbees.)
+The content of the DVD is critical, in other words the packages included
+and their ease of use and relevance.
+Not that appearance is unimportant - just in my mind it is a much less
+important factor.
+&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>- Andr&#233; (andre999)
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+On Mon, 04 Oct 2010 16:11:11 +0200
+Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le 04/10/2010 13:21, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not forced to eat everything.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your
+</I>&gt;<i> bowl :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and that's precisely what we should try to avoid :)
+</I>
+And if users are rude and nasty to devs or packagers, then there won't
+be a distro. So, we need to find ways to help both sets of people be
+good to each other - understanding, polite and make sure that users get
+to know which forums/MLs/IRC channels are the right ones to use, and
+how to do proper bug reports, and devs/packagers know to show users
+where to go for help/how to report bugs etc.
+
+Maybe we have a page where there's netiquette, the various places for
+help, and the URL's in the footer of emails? and then we can politely
+point to it, and invite people to continue the conversation in the
+right place?
+
+Cheers,
+
+- --
+Patricia Fraser
+On the move
+Gnu/Linux 1997-2008 #283226 counter.li.org
+Dark Side - approach with caution
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 09:29, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-04
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I am just curious to know, if you are mailing a package to the Ukraine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from France, would you use the UK code? I am not sure what system is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> used in Europe.
+</I>&gt;<i> I would write &quot;Ukraine&quot; if I were to send a mailing package there. That's the
+</I>&gt;<i> way it's done at least in Germany...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ok, but what to the other German citizens use? Do the as well use the
+full name or do they not follow a country code set by the postal
+authority? The same question in other European countries?
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+Quote: maat-ml wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 16:05
+&gt;<i> Nope. This is just common sense.
+</I>
+It's about as much common sense as what Marc, me and others said.
+
+None of us can know what kind of users Mageia will attract, but a fork of a
+small, relatively unknown minority Linux distro (all survey results I have
+seen give Mandriva about a 5-10% share of the Linux desktop users) will
+very unlikely attract hordes of clueless newbies that will behave badly on
+the forum and the MLs.
+
+Of course there will be always some odd exception, but that's unavoidable
+and manageable.
+
+Maybe once Mageia becomes as popular as Ubuntu, then we might have to worry
+about this.
+
+&gt;<i> I also comes from a projet which had been using fudforum as a full
+</I>&gt;<i> symmetric gateway for several lists (users, devs).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People answering existing topics for a new subject force moderators to
+</I>&gt;<i> split them
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hence the thread is broken on the mailing list (and no way to change
+</I>&gt;<i> back thread id on a mailing list)
+</I>
+Well, this is wrong. Even with my little experience so far, common sense
+tells me not to split any threads in the ML gw forums, the only safe
+manipulation is merging threads and
+worst case censoring/deleting posts (in extreme cases, if they are
+completely out of order, with swear words and personal attacks).
+
+Of course that means that some threads contain OT posts, but that would be
+the case on the ML anyway.
+
+A ML gw subforum on a web forum cannot be moderated in the same way as a
+normal web forum thread, it needs to be treated like a ML thread.
+
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 16:26, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-04 10:11, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Le 04/10/2010 13:21, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I view the bidirectional gateway more like a salad bowl. You come to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the table and pick through the salad and eat what you wish. You are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not forced to eat everything.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bowl :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and that's precisely what we should try to avoid :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not quite sure what you mean. So by letting devs pick out the
+</I>&gt;<i> conversations that they would like to choose and follow, they will not
+</I>&gt;<i> want to participate?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I mean that if you flood them with forum posts by users happy to post
+all their lives into the bridge devs will add a rule to drop
+automatically everything coming from the forum (and grunt about wasted
+bandwidth)
+
+And if they dont use the rule approach they will simply unsuscribe...
+you will not force devs to cooperate... you will not have them cooperate
+without making big efforts to filter topics they don't want to see.
+
+They are skilled enough to make all your efforts to force them useless
+however hard you try.
+
+And the global community (all contrib and users included) is to have
+devs employed to tasks they alone are able to do :)
+
+So this is *also* in the best users interest to avoid bothering devs
+with useless mail reading or questions that support or advanced users
+can perfectly deal with :)
+
+Ma&#226;t
+
+
+
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+Quote: maat-ml wrote on Mon, 04 October 2010 16:37
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+&gt;<i> I mean that if you flood them with forum posts by users happy to post
+</I>&gt;<i> all their lives into the bridge devs will add a rule to drop
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically everything coming from the forum (and grunt about wasted
+</I>&gt;<i> bandwidth)
+</I>
+Come on be serious, like I said have a look at the XBMC community forums
+which the devs use for their own discussions in appropiate subforums too,
+it's not like that.
+
+If someone always hide for fear, he/she will never accomplish anything.
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+&gt;<i> &gt; I would write &quot;Ukraine&quot; if I were to send a mailing package there. That's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the way it's done at least in Germany...
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, but what to the other German citizens use? Do the as well use the
+</I>&gt;<i> full name or do they not follow a country code set by the postal
+</I>&gt;<i> authority? The same question in other European countries?
+</I>I think, most people use the full name, when writing letters to other
+countries. I can't speak of other European countries but the Germans do.
+And I think one of the reasons is, there are many national states in a small
+area compared to Northern America. And most people wouldn't even know, what
+the county codes for most of their neighbours are. If you would ask me, I
+couldn't say I knew even one without looking it up.
+
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> devs or pakagers upset by mindless discussions will just drop your
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> bowl :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and that's precisely what we should try to avoid :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not quite sure what you mean. So by letting devs pick out the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conversations that they would like to choose and follow, they will not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> want to participate?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I mean that if you flood them with forum posts by users happy to post
+</I>&gt;<i> all their lives into the bridge devs will add a rule to drop
+</I>&gt;<i> automatically everything coming from the forum (and grunt about wasted
+</I>&gt;<i> bandwidth)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if they dont use the rule approach they will simply unsuscribe...
+</I>&gt;<i> you will not force devs to cooperate... you will not have them cooperate
+</I>&gt;<i> without making big efforts to filter topics they don't want to see.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They are skilled enough to make all your efforts to force them useless
+</I>&gt;<i> however hard you try.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And the global community (all contrib and users included) is to have
+</I>&gt;<i> devs employed to tasks they alone are able to do :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So this is *also* in the best users interest to avoid bothering devs
+</I>&gt;<i> with useless mail reading or questions that support or advanced users
+</I>&gt;<i> can perfectly deal with :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ahh, I see. There seems to be a communication problem here. My apologies
+if I was not clear.
+
+I was taking the view that with the bidirectional gateway, allowing the
+devs to see and participate in user discussions and they would clearly
+not be forced to read any threads/discussions that they were not
+interested in.
+
+And you are talking about users participating in dev discussions and
+devs not having the patience for &quot;with useless mail reading or questions
+that support or advanced users can perfectly deal with&quot;.
+
+So, in a way, we are talking about the same thing but from a different
+perspective.
+
+So, this thread is about the merits of a mailist-forum offering
+bidirectional gateway allowing all people to see/communicate with each
+other regardless of the means, mailist, irc, forums etc. If I understand
+your argument, you are saying that devs may not be interested in having
+non-knowledgeable users taking part in their discussions as they could
+find this annoying and they could possibly just quit participating in
+discussions where they are overwhelmed with &quot;novice&quot; input.
+
+My argument, is that devs would then have, by the simple process of the
+bidirectional gateway, the ability to &quot;see&quot; everyone's conversations and
+that, whichever conversation would look interesting to them, they could
+join in.
+
+Under this whole umbrella everyone would of course have to adhere to the
+normal netiquette rules of conduct as laid out for mailists; irc,
+forums. So, participation for everyone becomes a choice of their own and
+if a discussion thread garners so much attention that it is overwhelmed
+with questions by &quot;less-informed&quot; users/devs, then you could either
+ignore their contributions to the discussion or try to inform them of
+the issues. Often times this will fix the problem.
+
+I have been following the thread on mirror infrastructure and have not
+contributed to any of the discussions, but why would I not be permitted
+to sit in on the sidelines?
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 10:56, Oliver Burger a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-04
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I would write &quot;Ukraine&quot; if I were to send a mailing package there. That's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the way it's done at least in Germany...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ok, but what to the other German citizens use? Do the as well use the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> full name or do they not follow a country code set by the postal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> authority? The same question in other European countries?
+</I>&gt;<i> I think, most people use the full name, when writing letters to other
+</I>&gt;<i> countries. I can't speak of other European countries but the Germans do.
+</I>&gt;<i> And I think one of the reasons is, there are many national states in a small
+</I>&gt;<i> area compared to Northern America. And most people wouldn't even know, what
+</I>&gt;<i> the county codes for most of their neighbours are. If you would ask me, I
+</I>&gt;<i> couldn't say I knew even one without looking it up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+We tend to follow our federal postal authority guidelines called &quot;Canada
+Post&quot; who used to have reference books volumes at their postal outlets
+but now promote their website reference areas and when posting overseas
+they would prefer country code designation (
+<A HREF="http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp">http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp</A> -- you just
+click on the country and it will return the country code) which are btw
+the ISO country code designations.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 &#224; 11:44 +0100, doug a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> Can I put in a plea on behalf of users who can't even use a
+</I>&gt;<i> telephone hook-up because of the appalling phone connection,
+</I>&gt;<i> e.g. in a rural area through Telecom Italia, and are obliged
+</I>&gt;<i> to depend on a 'dongle'?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I found an installation procedure for my dongle freely
+</I>&gt;<i> available on the internet; it's not proprietary. In fact the
+</I>&gt;<i> Windows installation disk that comes with the dongle itself
+</I>&gt;<i> uses it. AFAICT it's the details of the dialer defaults, in
+</I>&gt;<i> particular the init strings, that would have to be sorted
+</I>&gt;<i> out for different broadband providers.
+</I>
+If you have information to share, you should fill a bug report.
+Developers cannot really track down every provider on the planet.
+
+No, i must confess that I didn't use a modem since a long time ( the
+only one I used is the one of my mobile phone, and I used wvdial (not
+user friendly) and network-manager ( not sure it can work with non 3g
+modem )), so I cannot really tell where to look for filling a bug
+report.
+
+But I think you are right and that's important to make sure that it work
+fine.
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE>On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 16:35, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if users are rude and nasty to devs or packagers, then there won't
+</I>&gt;<i> be a distro. So, we need to find ways to help both sets of people be
+</I>&gt;<i> good to each other - understanding, polite and make sure that users get
+</I>&gt;<i> to know which forums/MLs/IRC channels are the right ones to use, and
+</I>&gt;<i> how to do proper bug reports, and devs/packagers know to show users
+</I>&gt;<i> where to go for help/how to report bugs etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, it is best not taken as an all/nothing issue.
+I think we need to find or invent a diversified structure, whith clear
+directions and rules, partly automatically enforced, partly by moderation.
+(And progressively automatise frequent problems dectected by moderators.)
+
+The aim is to :
+
+1. prevent users from seeing no way to report problems, and those who think
+they have reported a problem from feeling nobody listens
+
+2. prevent devs/packagers from beeing flooded
+
+There will probably be some trial and error involved, but if we succeed I
+think there will be a great payoff.
+
+I also think there will be a need, at least initially, for more moderators,
+and at different levels.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe we have a page where there's netiquette, the various places for
+</I>&gt;<i> help, and the URL's in the footer of emails? and then we can politely
+</I>&gt;<i> point to it, and invite people to continue the conversation in the
+</I>&gt;<i> right place?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> yes
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>--
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 16:58, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Ahh, I see. There seems to be a communication problem here. My
+</I>&gt;<i> apologies if I was not clear.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I was taking the view that with the bidirectional gateway, allowing
+</I>&gt;<i> the devs to see and participate in user discussions and they would
+</I>&gt;<i> clearly not be forced to read any threads/discussions that they were
+</I>&gt;<i> not interested in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And you are talking about users participating in dev discussions and
+</I>&gt;<i> devs not having the patience for &quot;with useless mail reading or
+</I>&gt;<i> questions that support or advanced users can perfectly deal with&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No.
+
+If a user want to suscribe to a dev list and take the risk to raise his
+&quot;user voice&quot; in the middle of an expert debate he's free to do so.
+
+He should though perhaps prepare himself to a &quot;somewhat virile welcome&quot;
+but this he should not be forbidden to do that :)
+(and he is not)
+
+I'm talking about users creating &quot;pure&quot; user topics :
+-- how do i -- put a RTMF question here -- ?
+-- look at my new wallpaper (isn't my new baby dog lovely ?)
+-- i think that -- put an old secular troll here --
+-- why do this fscking -- put the package you want here -- works like
+that and not like that ?
+-- who's the fsking b*stard that removed -- put the removed by upstream
+feature you want here -- ?
+-- i want to sell my old car to buy a new one... (<A HREF="http://blah">http://blah</A>) who wants
+to make an offer ?
+-- /et caetera/
+
+These topics in a subforum are many. And these topics are precisely what
+upset devs and packagers.
+And reading those or trying to filter to &quot;separate the wheat from the
+chaff&quot; is dev time waste that the
+global community should want to minimize...
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, in a way, we are talking about the same thing but from a different
+</I>&gt;<i> perspective.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, this thread is about the merits of a mailist-forum offering
+</I>&gt;<i> bidirectional gateway allowing all people to see/communicate with each
+</I>&gt;<i> other regardless of the means, mailist, irc, forums etc. If I
+</I>&gt;<i> understand your argument, you are saying that devs may not be
+</I>&gt;<i> interested in having non-knowledgeable users taking part in their
+</I>&gt;<i> discussions as they could find this annoying and they could possibly
+</I>&gt;<i> just quit participating in discussions where they are overwhelmed with
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;novice&quot; input.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No you dit not understand my argument at all :)
+(see above ^^)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My argument, is that devs would then have, by the simple process of
+</I>&gt;<i> the bidirectional gateway, the ability to &quot;see&quot; everyone's
+</I>&gt;<i> conversations and that, whichever conversation would look interesting
+</I>&gt;<i> to them, they could join in.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That they have already : some monitor forums and join in whenever they
+want to.
+(But this is time consuming. Hence very few do this on a regular basis.)
+
+&gt;<i> Under this whole umbrella everyone would of course have to adhere to
+</I>&gt;<i> the normal netiquette rules of conduct as laid out for mailists; irc,
+</I>&gt;<i> forums. So, participation for everyone becomes a choice of their own
+</I>&gt;<i> and if a discussion thread garners so much attention that it is
+</I>&gt;<i> overwhelmed with questions by &quot;less-informed&quot; users/devs, then you
+</I>&gt;<i> could either ignore their contributions to the discussion or try to
+</I>&gt;<i> inform them of the issues. Often times this will fix the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No because you start from the end. One you have a community of perfectly
+educated users the problem will disappear beacause users will use
+bugtracker and mailing lists... the need of a forum is just the proof
+that your start point is a false statement :)
+
+The second point is the volume... with a few list subscibers i am
+something like 300 mails late
+
+With 20 000 forum suscribers (or even 5000) posting that would change
+many things. Devs would give up all the list :)
+
+That's as simple as that.
+
+Especially since the news will spread that advanced users are answering
+&quot;magically&quot; on a specific forum will push all users to try their chance
+here and not in an other forum... resulting in a worst flood than you
+could imagine :)
+
+And moderators would have to educate people wanting to post there and
+not elsewhere.
+
+That's the better way to create a war between moderators and users :-(
+
+&gt;<i> I have been following the thread on mirror infrastructure and have not
+</I>&gt;<i> contributed to any of the discussions, but why would I not be
+</I>&gt;<i> permitted to sit in on the sidelines?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That's the other part... very different matter. This could be dealt with
+a read only forum section. But can you give me a correct estimation of
+the extra volume needed for 3 years of forum + ml life with 1000 posters
+on one side and 5000+ (more likely 10 000 or 20 000) ?
+
+And about global system performance once filled with 5 million posts and
+browsed by 400 simultaneous active members.
+
+(And if you imagine to add also Cauldron which can reach the rate of 600
+mails per day just to be able to &quot;to sit in on the sidelines&quot; the volume
+is even huger)
+
+That's why these questions need to be treated with caution :)
+
+Cheers,
+Ma&#226;t
+
+
+
+
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+On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 17:32:11 +0200
+Frederic Janssens &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 16:35, Patricia Fraser &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">trish at thefrasers.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And if users are rude and nasty to devs or packagers, then there
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; won't be a distro. So, we need to find ways to help both sets of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; people be good to each other - understanding, polite and make sure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that users get to know which forums/MLs/IRC channels are the right
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ones to use, and how to do proper bug reports, and devs/packagers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; know to show users where to go for help/how to report bugs etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, it is best not taken as an all/nothing issue.
+</I>&gt;<i> I think we need to find or invent a diversified structure, whith clear
+</I>&gt;<i> directions and rules, partly automatically enforced, partly by
+</I>&gt;<i> moderation. (And progressively automatise frequent problems dectected
+</I>&gt;<i> by moderators.)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The aim is to :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. prevent users from seeing no way to report problems, and those who
+</I>&gt;<i> think they have reported a problem from feeling nobody listens
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. prevent devs/packagers from beeing flooded
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There will probably be some trial and error involved, but if we
+</I>&gt;<i> succeed I think there will be a great payoff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also think there will be a need, at least initially, for more
+</I>&gt;<i> moderators, and at different levels.
+</I>
+/me puts hand up
+
+Also, &quot;moderators&quot; - people who drop out of the sky on the heads of
+those who misbehave.
+
+What about if we dream up a whole new group: facilitators? bridges?
+just plain helpers?
+
+Moderating could then be our last resort?
+
+Cheers,
+
+- --
+Patricia Fraser
+On the move
+Gnu/Linux 1997-2008 #283226 counter.li.org
+Dark Side - approach with caution
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+Maat, I must say that if this kind of excessively overcautios (and almost
+paranoid of users) attitude is prevalent among most/all Mageia leaders then
+I don't see much of a rosy future for Mageia.
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+&gt;<i> * Packaging team
+</I>&gt;<i> * Security team
+</I>
+for those teams, i initiated the discussion at the top of the page:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=packaging</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> /me puts hand up
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also, &quot;moderators&quot; - people who drop out of the sky on the heads of
+</I>&gt;<i> those who misbehave.
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+</I>&gt;<i> What about if we dream up a whole new group: facilitators? bridges?
+</I>&gt;<i> just plain helpers?
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+yes, I used the term &quot;moderators&quot;, but that really meant what you wrote
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+&gt;<i> Moderating could then be our last resort?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
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+</I>&gt;<i> - --
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+</I>&gt;<i> On the move
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+<PRE>Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-04
+&gt;<i> We tend to follow our federal postal authority guidelines called &quot;Canada
+</I>&gt;<i> Post&quot; who used to have reference books volumes at their postal outlets
+</I>&gt;<i> but now promote their website reference areas and when posting overseas
+</I>&gt;<i> they would prefer country code designation (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp">http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp</A> -- you just
+</I>&gt;<i> click on the country and it will return the country code) which are btw
+</I>&gt;<i> the ISO country code designations.
+</I>
+This is definitely going way off topic, so this is my last remark.
+
+&lt;OT&gt;I'm quite sure the German Postal Services (we don't have a Federal service
+anymore, it's been privatized) have some guidlines as well and I'm quite sure
+most companies, who do their mail using some programm or other follow those
+guidlines as well.
+But most private citizens will not. One reason is, they don't know about those
+guidlines and are too lazy to look if there are any.
+And most people will not go into the web to look if there are any guidlines.
+After all the postal services have computer systems that are quite clever and
+are able to sort by country names as well.
+If you are sending a postcard there even is (most of the times) an extra line
+for putting the country name (under the two lines designated for ZIP and
+town).
+
+But that's neither here nor there. &lt;/OT&gt;
+
+After all, I think the way Romain has posted is the best. Use the two-letter
+codes we (and most others) are already using and in case of problems, let's
+find solutions for those because there may be some isolated problems but there
+definitely is no general problem...
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+Oliver
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+<PRE>2010/10/4 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;OT&gt;I'm quite sure the German Postal Services (we don't have a Federal service
+</I>&gt;<i> anymore, it's been privatized) have some guidlines as well and I'm quite sure
+</I>&gt;<i> most companies, who do their mail using some programm or other follow those
+</I>&gt;<i> guidlines as well.
+</I>
+Yes, there are guidelines, German Postal Service uses the codes
+similar to international license plates for cars. Like &quot;I&quot; for Italy,
+&quot;F&quot; for France, &quot;D&quot; for Germany, etc.
+Postal codes are not standardized, each country uses their own system.
+
+&gt;<i> After all, I think the way Romain has posted is the best. Use the two-letter
+</I>&gt;<i> codes we (and most others) are already using and in case of problems, let's
+</I>&gt;<i> find solutions for those because there may be some isolated problems but there
+</I>&gt;<i> definitely is no general problem...
+</I>
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 06:33:31PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/4 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;OT&gt;I'm quite sure the German Postal Services (we don't have a Federal service
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; anymore, it's been privatized) have some guidlines as well and I'm quite sure
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; most companies, who do their mail using some programm or other follow those
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; guidlines as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, there are guidelines, German Postal Service uses the codes
+</I>&gt;<i> similar to international license plates for cars. Like &quot;I&quot; for Italy,
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;F&quot; for France, &quot;D&quot; for Germany, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> Postal codes are not standardized, each country uses their own system.
+</I>
+&lt;OT&gt; And this actually means that even sending mail out of country without
+putting any sort of country designation on the envelope or package might
+work! (Or at least it used to when postal workers still had a decent pay
+and took pride in their work).
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+ <B>motitos</B>
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+I have read <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=org</A> so I would like to
+send my thougths.
+
+1) What are the Chair's r&#244;les?
+
+IMHO, that person should coordinate the work of the Council in the
+daily work and be responsible of each release of the distro.
+
+2) Let's imagine that a member of the Council is voted to become an
+active member of the association, but next year is not elected by the
+Council. Then, that person will still be an &quot;active member&quot; of the
+Association, since this situation is not listed in the cases when one
+can loose such status, if I'm understanding the list correctly. I am
+just saying that this should be clarified. In particular, the number
+of &quot;active members&quot; may increase with time.
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+Cheers!
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 11:41, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 04/10/2010 16:58, Marc Par&#233; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ahh, I see. There seems to be a communication problem here. My
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> apologies if I was not clear.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I was taking the view that with the bidirectional gateway, allowing
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the devs to see and participate in user discussions and they would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> clearly not be forced to read any threads/discussions that they were
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not interested in.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And you are talking about users participating in dev discussions and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> devs not having the patience for &quot;with useless mail reading or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> questions that support or advanced users can perfectly deal with&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If a user want to suscribe to a dev list and take the risk to raise his
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;user voice&quot; in the middle of an expert debate he's free to do so.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> He should though perhaps prepare himself to a &quot;somewhat virile welcome&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> but this he should not be forbidden to do that :)
+</I>&gt;<i> (and he is not)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm talking about users creating &quot;pure&quot; user topics :
+</I>&gt;<i> -- how do i -- put a RTMF question here -- ?
+</I>&gt;<i> -- look at my new wallpaper (isn't my new baby dog lovely ?)
+</I>&gt;<i> -- i think that -- put an old secular troll here --
+</I>&gt;<i> -- why do this fscking -- put the package you want here -- works like
+</I>&gt;<i> that and not like that ?
+</I>&gt;<i> -- who's the fsking b*stard that removed -- put the removed by upstream
+</I>&gt;<i> feature you want here -- ?
+</I>&gt;<i> -- i want to sell my old car to buy a new one... (<A HREF="http://blah">http://blah</A>) who wants
+</I>&gt;<i> to make an offer ?
+</I>&gt;<i> -- /et caetera/
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These topics in a subforum are many. And these topics are precisely what
+</I>&gt;<i> upset devs and packagers.
+</I>&gt;<i> And reading those or trying to filter to &quot;separate the wheat from the
+</I>&gt;<i> chaff&quot; is dev time waste that the
+</I>&gt;<i> global community should want to minimize...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Is it not a rule to NOT post a reply to an someone who abuses. Then the
+offending thread just dies. There is no problem, if we all follow this
+rule. If we all followed this rule then there would be no problem. Why
+would a dev or even for that matter a user answer an offending post? We
+all know that it is useless.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, in a way, we are talking about the same thing but from a different
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> perspective.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, this thread is about the merits of a mailist-forum offering
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bidirectional gateway allowing all people to see/communicate with each
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other regardless of the means, mailist, irc, forums etc. If I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> understand your argument, you are saying that devs may not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> interested in having non-knowledgeable users taking part in their
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussions as they could find this annoying and they could possibly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> just quit participating in discussions where they are overwhelmed with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;novice&quot; input.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No you dit not understand my argument at all :)
+</I>&gt;<i> (see above ^^)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My argument, is that devs would then have, by the simple process of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the bidirectional gateway, the ability to &quot;see&quot; everyone's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> conversations and that, whichever conversation would look interesting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to them, they could join in.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That they have already : some monitor forums and join in whenever they
+</I>&gt;<i> want to.
+</I>&gt;<i> (But this is time consuming. Hence very few do this on a regular basis.)
+</I>
+But this is quite understandable.The very few who do it then are
+enjoying the threads that they follow. I don't think that there is a
+problem with this.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Under this whole umbrella everyone would of course have to adhere to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the normal netiquette rules of conduct as laid out for mailists; irc,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> forums. So, participation for everyone becomes a choice of their own
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and if a discussion thread garners so much attention that it is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overwhelmed with questions by &quot;less-informed&quot; users/devs, then you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> could either ignore their contributions to the discussion or try to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> inform them of the issues. Often times this will fix the problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No because you start from the end. One you have a community of perfectly
+</I>&gt;<i> educated users the problem will disappear beacause users will use
+</I>&gt;<i> bugtracker and mailing lists... the need of a forum is just the proof
+</I>&gt;<i> that your start point is a false statement :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The second point is the volume... with a few list subscibers i am
+</I>&gt;<i> something like 300 mails late
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With 20 000 forum suscribers (or even 5000) posting that would change
+</I>&gt;<i> many things. Devs would give up all the list :)
+</I>&gt;<i> That's as simple as that.
+</I>
+If the volume of posts increase to that size, then we could all
+congratulate ourselves for having such a great and vibrant distro. Devs
+would still have the option of following the posts/threads that most
+interest them. I would say that the conditions that you describe are
+actually those of a successful distro. I would not think that a dev who
+initially found a thread that was interesting would just quit on it
+because it got too busy. That is when a thread becomes really exciting.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Especially since the news will spread that advanced users are answering
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;magically&quot; on a specific forum will push all users to try their chance
+</I>&gt;<i> here and not in an other forum... resulting in a worst flood than you
+</I>&gt;<i> could imagine :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And moderators would have to educate people wanting to post there and
+</I>&gt;<i> not elsewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the better way to create a war between moderators and users :-(
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If users are having to seek out and find devs to try to get their
+attention, then I would hope that the mailist, irc, and forums
+moderators would be vigilant enough to realize that somewhere along the
+way the communication between the users and devs is NOT working. There
+is a broken link and user dissatisfaction is growing. This would be a
+sign to watch out for from an organizational point of view. It means
+that somewhere along the way the communications link is broken. It needs
+to be corrected to promote proper communications behaviour.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> I have been following the thread on mirror infrastructure and have not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contributed to any of the discussions, but why would I not be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> permitted to sit in on the sidelines?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the other part... very different matter. This could be dealt with
+</I>&gt;<i> a read only forum section. But can you give me a correct estimation of
+</I>&gt;<i> the extra volume needed for 3 years of forum + ml life with 1000 posters
+</I>&gt;<i> on one side and 5000+ (more likely 10 000 or 20 000) ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And about global system performance once filled with 5 million posts and
+</I>&gt;<i> browsed by 400 simultaneous active members.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (And if you imagine to add also Cauldron which can reach the rate of 600
+</I>&gt;<i> mails per day just to be able to &quot;to sit in on the sidelines&quot; the volume
+</I>&gt;<i> is even huger)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's why these questions need to be treated with caution :)
+</I>
+Unfortunately, then the distro would then have to re-evaluate its goals
+if the volume of communications is limited by the physical capabilities
+of their hardware. It may be that the &quot;community&quot; aspirations of the
+distro has struck a serious lack of balance with reality. However,
+usually when the participation is at such a height, a community will
+rally financially and support the request for more funds for hardware
+upgrades. We have to have faith in the overriding community wishes for
+the good will of the distro.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Cheers
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 03:26:39PM +0200, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> To summarize, the whole project is organized in several groups:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia project Teams (developers, packagers, docs, translators, designers,
+</I>&gt;<i> etc. sponsored/mentored from the whole community),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia project Community Council (people elected from each team),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia association members (basically, founding association members &amp; past
+</I>&gt;<i> members of the council who can be on and elect the board),
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia project &amp; association Board (direction of the project).
+</I>
+Romain,
+
+I read on the wiki that the association members are expected to attend
+general assembly meetings, which I understand are to take place in some
+physical location. Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be
+stripped of &quot;active member&quot; status.
+
+Would this not make it harder for people in certain geographical regions
+(say, outside Europe or France) to become an association member, even when
+they spend a lot of their free time dedicated to the project? Right now it
+seems biased towards locations with the most board members (France).
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I read on the wiki that the association members are expected to attend
+</I>&gt;<i> general assembly meetings, which I understand are to take place in some
+</I>&gt;<i> physical location. Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be
+</I>&gt;<i> stripped of &quot;active member&quot; status.
+</I>
+I do not think so, while such meetings should preferrably be in some
+physical location this is not possible for all as you pointed out. So,
+formal meetings should also be possible in a private IRC channel.
+Meeting logs can then be signed (GnuPG) by the participants and thus
+be validated.
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not think so, while such meetings should preferrably be in some
+</I>&gt;<i> physical location this is not possible for all as you pointed out. So,
+</I>&gt;<i> formal meetings should also be possible in a private IRC channel.
+</I>&gt;<i> Meeting logs can then be signed (GnuPG) by the participants and thus
+</I>&gt;<i> be validated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I may add that this is legally ok in France, I'm an associate of a
+small french company where some of us are living far away. For
+official papers we download them from the internal website, clearsign
+them and send them back to the french office.
+
+--
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+<PRE>2010/10/4 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/4 Remco Rijnders &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">remco at webconquest.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I read on the wiki that the association members are expected to attend
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> general assembly meetings, which I understand are to take place in some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> physical location. Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stripped of &quot;active member&quot; status.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do not think so, while such meetings should preferrably be in some
+</I>&gt;<i> physical location this is not possible for all as you pointed out. So,
+</I>&gt;<i> formal meetings should also be possible in a private IRC channel.
+</I>&gt;<i> Meeting logs can then be signed (GnuPG) by the participants and thus
+</I>&gt;<i> be validated.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> wobo, of course not speaking for Romain :)
+</I>
+But you are right :) Association has been setup so that we can have
+&quot;virtual&quot; meetings and electronic vote. So this will not be a pb. We
+hope of course to be able to have also physical meeting as it's
+important also to meet everybody.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> No, i must confess that I didn't use a modem since a long time ( the
+</I>&gt;<i> only one I used is the one of my mobile phone, and I used wvdial (not
+</I>&gt;<i> user friendly) and network-manager ( not sure it can work with non 3g
+</I>&gt;<i> modem )), so I cannot really tell where to look for filling a bug
+</I>&gt;<i> report.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think you are right and that's important to make sure that it work
+</I>&gt;<i> fine.
+</I>
+I think that we often forget that some users struggle with dial-up
+connections. Andr&#233; pointed this out to us a couple of posts ago. Mageia
+should maybe be a little more sensitive to this and have the tools for
+dial-up connection already installed rather than having the user go back
+and download either from the install disk or internet.
+
+My mother and father/mother-in-laws are on Madriva 2009.1 Dial-ups with
+external modems. They are quite happy with the setups, but I did have to
+install the dial-up software at the time. Apparently Kppp will be part
+of the install package with KDE installs.
+
+I prefer external modems, less driver problems.
+
+Dial-up in Canada is $9/month Cdn. in most cities.
+
+Marc
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+ <B>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior</B>
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+<PRE>MacXi,
+
+Tier1 &#233; um tipo de rede IP, isso n&#227;o se traduz. Talvez voc&#234; possa colocar um
+link para uma p&#225;gina que explique o que &#233;.
+Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que l&#225; tenha algo bem explicado.
+
+Abra&#231;os,
+
+J&#250;nior
+
+Em 1 de outubro de 2010 22:43, MacXi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+
+&gt;<i> Em Sex 01 Out 2010, &#224;s 21:11:44, Andr&#233; Machado escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog
+</I>&gt;<i> too.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ------------------
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sua tradu&#231;&#227;o est&#225; compat&#237;vel com aquela que eu fiz. Eu lhe enviarei meu
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; trabalho para que voc&#234; o revise e decida sobre as pequenas diferen&#231;as.
+</I>&gt;<i> N&#243;s
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; precisaremos ver o blog tamb&#233;m.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;,
+</I>&gt;<i> Sending a suggested translation of the text of today's Blog
+</I>&gt;<i> Regarding the translation, do not worry, your English must be better than
+</I>&gt;<i> mine
+</I>&gt;<i> and you are having more contact whit mageia forum. You and Filipe feel
+</I>&gt;<i> free
+</I>&gt;<i> to make corrections and changes that fit.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i> ___________________________________-
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Andr&#233;,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Envio uma sugest&#227;o de tradu&#231;&#227;o do texto de hoje do Blog.
+</I>&gt;<i> Quanto a tradu&#231;&#227;o, n&#227;o se preocupe, acho que seu ingl&#234;s deve ser melhor que
+</I>&gt;<i> o
+</I>&gt;<i> meu e vc tem mais contato e est&#225; acompanhando melhor o forum Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fiquem a vontade, vc e o Filipe, para fazer as corre&#231;&#245;es e altera&#231;&#245;es que
+</I>&gt;<i> achar melhor.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Obs: N&#227;o consegui traduzir &quot;Tier1&quot; da frase: Mas ainda estamos procurando
+</I>&gt;<i> Tier1 (???) espelhos. --&gt; But we are still looking for Tier1 mirrors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Abs
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ________________________________________________
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/">http://blog.mageia.org/pt_br/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia: algumas not&#237;cias sobre o projeto -
+</I>&gt;<i> Posted on October 2, 2010 by ennael
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dado todas as propostas e contribui&#231;&#245;es que recebemos at&#233; agora, parece que
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia tem potencial para ser um grande sucesso! Para aqueles que est&#227;o
+</I>&gt;<i> querendo saber o que est&#225; acontecendo agora, aqui est&#227;o algumas not&#237;cias
+</I>&gt;<i> sobre
+</I>&gt;<i> v&#225;rios assuntos:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * A fim de responder &#224;s principais perguntas sobre o projeto mageia, um
+</I>&gt;<i> FAQ
+</I>&gt;<i> j&#225; est&#225; dispon&#237;vel no site. Sinta-se livre para comentar e pedir mais
+</I>&gt;<i> perguntas se voc&#234; acha que alguns assuntos est&#227;o em falta.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * A associa&#231;&#227;o mageia vai ser registrada na segunda-feira, com uma
+</I>&gt;<i> publica&#231;&#227;o oficial em cerca de um m&#234;s (depois revisto pela administra&#231;&#227;o),
+</I>&gt;<i> gra&#231;as &#224; Severina e RTP
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Um Manifesto Mageia est&#225; em andamento. N&#243;s fornecemos uma lista de
+</I>&gt;<i> itens
+</I>&gt;<i> para ajudar Lauder Graham e alguns caras de marketing &amp; comunica&#231;&#227;o para
+</I>&gt;<i> trabalhar em um primeiro esbo&#231;o.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Uma equipe sysadmin foi criado por Nicolas (boklm), para come&#231;ar a
+</I>&gt;<i> trabalhar na nova infra-estrutura.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Para a infra-estrutura de hardware, recebemos propostas para
+</I>&gt;<i> servidores
+</I>&gt;<i> e hospedagem. Agora temos o hardware para ser capaz de configurar a
+</I>&gt;<i> constru&#231;&#227;o
+</I>&gt;<i> de sistema (build system)) e de acolhimento dos principais servi&#231;os. J&#225;
+</I>&gt;<i> come&#231;amos a instala&#231;&#227;o de uma m&#225;quina virtual oferecida pelo gandi.net que
+</I>&gt;<i> vamos usar em breve para hospedar os sites e blog. Em rela&#231;&#227;o &#224; hospedagem
+</I>&gt;<i> dos
+</I>&gt;<i> outros servidores, n&#243;s temos uma proposta de um ano e j&#225; est&#227;o trabalhando
+</I>&gt;<i> em
+</I>&gt;<i> uma solu&#231;&#227;o de longo prazo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Misc est&#225; trabalhando em um planejamento para a implanta&#231;&#227;o do sistema
+</I>&gt;<i> de compila&#231;&#227;o (aproximadamente, 4/5 dias a partir do zero, sem a instala&#231;&#227;o
+</I>&gt;<i> do
+</I>&gt;<i> servidor, se tudo correr bem)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Olivier (Nanar) deve anunciar em breve alguns planos para os espelhos
+</I>&gt;<i> e
+</I>&gt;<i> uma aplica&#231;&#227;o web para cuidar disto. N&#243;s j&#225; temos muitas propostas para os
+</I>&gt;<i> espelhos locais para hospedar os pacotes e ISOs Mageia. Mas ainda estamos
+</I>&gt;<i> procurando Tier1 espelhos.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Buchan est&#225; trabalhando na parte da infra-estrutura LDAP
+</I>&gt;<i> * Mageia tem sido contactada por v&#225;rios jornais, podcasts, webTV, r&#225;dio
+</I>&gt;<i> web etc ..., que tomou muito tempo. Voc&#234; vai ouvir falar Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> breve :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * As doa&#231;&#245;es est&#227;o indo muito bem, cerca de 5.000 &#8364; e 100 doadores!
+</I>&gt;<i> Iremos
+</I>&gt;<i> publicar relat&#243;rios financeiros mensais para que voc&#234; possa
+</I>&gt;<i> acompanhar como ele est&#225; sendo usado. As primeiras despesas ser&#227;o com
+</I>&gt;<i> unidades
+</I>&gt;<i> de disco r&#237;gido, nomes de dom&#237;nios e registo da
+</I>&gt;<i> marca Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * Voc&#234; vai em breve ser capaz de comprar Mageia tee-shirts. N&#243;s n&#227;o
+</I>&gt;<i> temos
+</I>&gt;<i> um logotipo oficial ainda, mas n&#227;o se preocupe, ainda &#233;
+</I>&gt;<i> poss&#237;vel fazer tshirts divertidos sem um logotipo.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Brevemente neste blog, mais not&#237;cias sobre a organiza&#231;&#227;o geral do projeto
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia, fique atento! Livremente
+</I>&gt;<i> Equipe Mageia
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 17:51, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Maat, I must say that if this kind of excessively overcautios (and almost
+</I>&gt;<i> paranoid of users) attitude is prevalent among most/all Mageia leaders then
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see much of a rosy future for Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Perhaps you are wrong to consider this as &quot;overcautious&quot; :)
+
+And wrong to prognosticate a bad future for Mageia :)
+
+&gt;<i> What is the point of making Mageia a user-friendly distro if you are so
+</I>&gt;<i> afraid of users?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>/me being involved in Mageia should have been a strong clue :o)
+
+Seems you have missed it :)
+
+I am not afraid of users and Mageia active members or contributors
+aren't either.
+
+=&gt; Perhaps you should try to consider that these arguments are not
+dictated by fear :)
+
+=&gt; Perhaps you could event try to consider that those &quot;overcautious&quot;
+points we consider are thought with the greater good of users in mind :)
+
+&gt;<i> Then we might as well make a geeks distro and we can be sure no noob will
+</I>&gt;<i> be bothering us.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You missed the point. We learned from past that packagers and users
+interaction is not something so simple to deal with
+
+In fact communication between humans is never simple :)
+
+So there it's something here we really need to anticipate. Debian (that
+i truly love) or other (considered as) elitist distros don't bother with
+those subjects: users have to match the skills and education level
+requirements or end &quot;naturally&quot; rejected (they go away by themselves).
+
+We don't want this because Mageia IS thought to remain as user friendly
+as possible. Considering that there is no problem there and letting
+forums and lists flood each other would be a dramatic mistake. And
+that's just hiding yourself the obvious imho :)
+
+So i respectfully but *totally* diagree with you on these points :)
+
+Ma&#226;t
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-04 12:40, Remco Rijnders a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 06:33:31PM +0200, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/4 Oliver Burger&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;OT&gt;I'm quite sure the German Postal Services (we don't have a Federal service
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> anymore, it's been privatized) have some guidlines as well and I'm quite sure
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> most companies, who do their mail using some programm or other follow those
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> guidlines as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, there are guidelines, German Postal Service uses the codes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> similar to international license plates for cars. Like &quot;I&quot; for Italy,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;F&quot; for France, &quot;D&quot; for Germany, etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Postal codes are not standardized, each country uses their own system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;OT&gt; And this actually means that even sending mail out of country without
+</I>&gt;<i> putting any sort of country designation on the envelope or package might
+</I>&gt;<i> work! (Or at least it used to when postal workers still had a decent pay
+</I>&gt;<i> and took pride in their work).
+</I>
+&lt;OT&gt; Yup a little off topic but still a bit informational on Mageia
+naming conventions.
+
+I have to admit that I find it funny that the OpenOffice.or group and
+many of us were appalled when countries and states did not adopt the ISO
+OASIS document formats. Many of us condemned others for not accepting
+these international ISO document formats. It took a lot of effort to
+come up with these standards along with a lot of debating.
+
+Yet, in Mageia's case, where ISO country and language formats could have
+been applied for its internal standard naming convention, the window of
+opportunity for the ISO-format adoption may have been lost.
+
+As it was pointed out earlier, it may be sadly too late to re-organise,
+and the present standard in use (that of common practice) for the Mageia
+group will probably remain.
+
+I guess we will hear the decision from the Mageia &quot;higher-ups&quot;
+eventually on this count.
+
+BTW ... did you know that there is an ISO standard for the date format?
+Hey, but that's could be for another discussion. LOL
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 03:26:39PM +0200, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To summarize, the whole project is organized in several groups:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Mageia project Teams (developers, packagers, docs, translators, designers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; etc. sponsored/mentored from the whole community),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Mageia project Community Council (people elected from each team),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Mageia association members (basically, founding association members &amp; past
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; members of the council who can be on and elect the board),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Mageia project &amp; association Board (direction of the project).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I read on the wiki that the association members are expected to attend
+</I>&gt;<i> general assembly meetings, which I understand are to take place in some
+</I>&gt;<i> physical location. Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be
+</I>&gt;<i> stripped of &quot;active member&quot; status.
+</I>
+you missed the &quot;(or not being represented)&quot;:
+
+ not attending (or not being represented) at two consecutive general
+ assemblies; she then become honorific member of the association.
+
+it's therefore possible to give your voting power to someone else - even
+with some voting instructions. and there may be some voting software
+that can palliate this (epoll?)
+
+j&#233;r&#244;me
+--
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+&gt;<i> BTW ... did you know that there is an ISO standard for the date format?
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey, but that's could be for another discussion. LOL
+</I>
+Yup... but I don't like that T in between the date and the time. I do love
+the yyyy-mm-dd format though. Easily sortable, and understandable by all
+around the world.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We don't want this because Mageia IS thought to remain as user friendly
+</I>&gt;<i> as possible. Considering that there is no problem there and letting
+</I>&gt;<i> forums and lists flood each other would be a dramatic mistake. And
+</I>&gt;<i> that's just hiding yourself the obvious imho :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So i respectfully but *totally* diagree with you on these points :)
+</I>
+You are aware that you keep running around the same point all the
+time, right? The same reasons given again and again although they were
+taken care of long ago in this thread.
+
+I repeat:
+I do see your points as I see Michael's points and others. But nobody
+is talking about a flooding of anything. It has been said several
+times that the implementation of this gateway section has to be
+watched by guidelines and moderators to enforce these guidelines. This
+way users will learn to avoid the usual userland discussions on the
+gateway, there's lots of room for that in the rest of the forum. It
+may take a short time to get the message through to them but it can
+work if we try and (of course) if the developpers will be patient
+during this initial stage.
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW ... did you know that there is an ISO standard for the date format? Hey,
+</I>&gt;<i> but that's could be for another discussion. LOL
+</I>
+Yes, this is due to the point that Oliver mentioned before: those
+&quot;standards&quot; are made by a certain group which is located in one region
+and accustomed to that region's language and ways to do things. Who in
+some other country could imagine what that &quot;T&quot; is there for?
+
+We do have official standards in Germany for official letters, usable
+in legal battles - use this date format and your letter may be useless
+in court (I'm a bit exaggerating here, I know) because this so-called
+standard does not match the German standard for time stamps. But, ok,
+most people do not know about that date standard anyway. A good
+feature for a standard.
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+
+Am Mon, 04 Oct 2010 09:45:24 -0400
+schrieb andr&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+
+&gt;<i> Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Mageia 23, Mageia 37. Sounds good? At least for me it doesn't :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Since a distro like Mageia is a collection of applications from
+</I>&gt;<i> various sources, it is useful to indicate at least the year in the
+</I>&gt;<i> version number, to indicate generally the vintage of the applications
+</I>&gt;<i> contained. I favour something like 2010.1 for this fall, or 2011.0
+</I>&gt;<i> for the spring. (avoiding the car model type numbering of Mandriva,
+</I>&gt;<i> which would be &quot;2011.0&quot; and &quot;2011.1&quot;.)
+</I>&gt;<i> It could just as easily be 10.1 or 11.0, for a shorter number that is
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhat more distinct from Mandriva numbering. But with the full
+</I>&gt;<i> year included, it is obvious that it is indeed the year.
+</I>
+I don't see where you avoid the &quot;car model type numbering&quot;? You still
+get 2011.0 and 2011.1, so where is the difference?
+
+I do see the reason for including the distro version number in the RPM
+name.
+
+To be clear, I do like the year as version number, so I don't want to
+remove this. I think, this is the easiest thing to figure out on your
+own. It doesn't need any lengthy explanation.
+
+&gt;<i> A name like &quot;Breezy something&quot; (I forget what), indicates nothing
+</I>&gt;<i> about its age to those not very familiar with the distro, is it older
+</I>&gt;<i> or newer than &quot;somethingelse&quot; from the same distro ?
+</I>
+AFAIK, Ubuntu goes on alphabetically, so something that starts with &quot;B&quot;
+should be significantly older than something that starts with &quot;J&quot;. I'm
+just curious, how they will handle this, when they are through the
+alphabet - do they start again at &quot;A&quot;? ;)
+
+Sigrid (aka eskroni)
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 05 Oct 2010 06:20:54 Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; No, i must confess that I didn't use a modem since a long time ( the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; only one I used is the one of my mobile phone, and I used wvdial (not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; user friendly) and network-manager ( not sure it can work with non 3g
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; modem )), so I cannot really tell where to look for filling a bug
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; report.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But I think you are right and that's important to make sure that it work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think that we often forget that some users struggle with dial-up
+</I>&gt;<i> connections. Andr&#233; pointed this out to us a couple of posts ago. Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> should maybe be a little more sensitive to this and have the tools for
+</I>&gt;<i> dial-up connection already installed rather than having the user go back
+</I>&gt;<i> and download either from the install disk or internet.
+</I>
+Yes please do that, one reason I went to openSUSE is the fact that dialup was
+so simple to set up. It installed wvdial and qinternet if it detected a modem
+during install, it even prelists all the dialup providers phone numbers so you
+just click through and it's done. Brilliant.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My mother and father/mother-in-laws are on Madriva 2009.1 Dial-ups with
+</I>&gt;<i> external modems. They are quite happy with the setups, but I did have to
+</I>&gt;<i> install the dial-up software at the time. Apparently Kppp will be part
+</I>&gt;<i> of the install package with KDE installs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I prefer external modems, less driver problems.
+</I>
+indeed
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dial-up in Canada is $9/month Cdn. in most cities.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
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+<PRE>Le samedi 02 octobre 2010 22:42:27, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sunday 03 Oct 2010 10:36:59 Sander Lepik wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I remember that Mandriva once had 1 year release. But in the Linux world
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; things move too fast to wait whole year before new release. And more than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2 is too much pain for everyone.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; --
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Sander
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm a fan of OpenSUSE's release cycle every eight months.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3 releases every two years seems a good compromise
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The eight months release cycle looks interesting to me :
+- it gives 2 months more than the 6-months-cycle
+- only 3 releases in 2 years, so 1 release less than with the 6-months-cycle. That's either
+ * less releases to support at a given time
+ * longer supported releases (If we could flag one release as a Long Term Support release every 2 years, that would be really great and Mageia could really be seen as a reliable distribution).
+
+As someone whose main contribution is backporting software to the stable releases of the distribution, this compromise between the 6-months and 1-year cycles looks promising.
+
+What would be the drawbacks ? What can the openSuse experience teach us ?
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 &#224; 21:42 +0200, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> What would be the drawbacks ? What can the openSuse experience teach us ?
+</I>
+Imho :
+
+- you will end up being un-synchronized with others projects and
+distributions, which mean we will not benefit from the usual big PR
+around them ( like gnome, for example ). Now, this may provides PR with
+others projects
+
+- I fear that 8 months wold just provides us more reason to slack :)
+
+- we will end doing a release in some months who are not really good for
+communication ( christmas, summer holidays ), and for events.
+
+Fedora also discussed this in the past
+( <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/306800/">http://lwn.net/Articles/306800/</A> ) and more recently, iirc ( even if I
+cannot find some reference ).
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>Op maandag 04 oktober 2010 18:54:51 schreef Remco Rijnders:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 04, 2010 at 03:26:39PM +0200, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; To summarize, the whole project is organized in several groups:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Mageia project Teams (developers, packagers, docs, translators,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; designers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; etc. sponsored/mentored from the whole community),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Mageia project Community Council (people elected from each team),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Mageia association members (basically, founding association members &amp;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; past
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; members of the council who can be on and elect the board),
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * Mageia project &amp; association Board (direction of the project).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I read on the wiki that the association members are expected to attend
+</I>&gt;<i> general assembly meetings, which I understand are to take place in some
+</I>&gt;<i> physical location. Missing two of these meetings in a row is reason to be
+</I>&gt;<i> stripped of &quot;active member&quot; status.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would this not make it harder for people in certain geographical regions
+</I>&gt;<i> (say, outside Europe or France) to become an association member, even when
+</I>&gt;<i> they spend a lot of their free time dedicated to the project? Right now it
+</I>&gt;<i> seems biased towards locations with the most board members (France).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remco
+</I>
+
+tbf, i think its logical to have the physical location on the place around
+where most of the board members live. on the wiki it seemed not to specify
+exactly _that_ location, i suspect if somehow, there's a totally diff group of
+board members over time (which i really doubt, it would be bad for continuity
+for the project), they would simply choose another place.
+
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+ <B>Maarten Vanraes</B>
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+<PRE>I didn't want to dirty the governance model thread, so i will be saying it in
+this thread:
+
+hat off!
+
+You seem to have really been deeply thinking about it, the details can always
+be discussed, but the major points are really there.
+
+(and also, very important that you lose your seat when you become deceased,
+you don't want the S.O. to take over the project :-) )
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+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002123.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002178.html">[Mageia-discuss] hat off
+</A><A NAME="2178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002109.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cedbor
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>motitos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:46:05 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p>
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+ <h1>4 October 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 00:04:12 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 100<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002079.html">[Mageia-discuss] News about the forum
+</A><A NAME="2079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002082.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002083.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002084.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002090.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002091.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002092.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002093.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cliff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002096.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002104.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002129.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>C&#233;dric Bortolussi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002107.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002109.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cedbor
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002110.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002111.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002112.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002119.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002123.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002126.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002130.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002142.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002148.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002157.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>motitos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002162.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002166.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002168.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002172.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sigrid Carrera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002178.html">[Mageia-discuss] hat off
+</A><A NAME="2178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:46:05 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
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+ <h1>4 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 00:04:12 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 100<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002178.html">[Mageia-discuss] hat off
+</A><A NAME="2178">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002082.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002083.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002084.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002090.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002091.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002092.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002093.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002096.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002129.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>C&#233;dric Bortolussi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002107.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002109.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cedbor
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002110.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002111.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002119.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002126.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002142.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002148.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002157.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002168.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002172.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2172">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002104.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002116.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2116">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002134.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2134">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002154.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2154">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002159.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2159">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>motitos
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002161.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2161">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002162.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2162">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002163.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2163">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002164.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2164">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002169.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2169">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jerome Quelin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002177.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2177">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cliff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002153.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2153">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002167.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2167">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002171.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2171">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002079.html">[Mageia-discuss] News about the forum
+</A><A NAME="2079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002166.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2166">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002130.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2130">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002123.html">[Mageia-discuss] UPDATE: Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2123">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002118.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2118">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002131.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2131">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002132.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2132">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002135.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2135">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002136.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2136">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002149.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2149">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002165.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2165">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002173.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2173">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sigrid Carrera
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002174.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2174">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002175.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2175">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002176.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2176">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002112.html">[Mageia-discuss] wrong reference to flickr in the blog page
+</A><A NAME="2112">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br>
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+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 00:04:12 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Mon Oct 4 23:45:57 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 100<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01286143452- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002076.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2076">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286143452-01286152681- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002088.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2088">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01286143452-01286202416- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002140.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2140">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286143499- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002078.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2078">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286143499-01286144989- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002080.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2080">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286143499-01286144989-01286147268- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002081.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2081">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tom&#225;&#353; Kindl
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286143752- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002077.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Mirror size
+</A><A NAME="2077">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Blin
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286144053- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002079.html">[Mageia-discuss] News about the forum
+</A><A NAME="2079">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286149738- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002082.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2082">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286150401- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002083.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2083">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286150401-01286151546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002085.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2085">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002089.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2089">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002090.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2090">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002091.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2091">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801-01286156134- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002092.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2092">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801-01286156134-01286156443- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002093.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2093">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801-01286156134-01286183128- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002107.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2107">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286150401-01286151546-01286153150-01286155493-01286155801-01286156134-01286183128-01286192334- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002126.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2126">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286150401-01286175866- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002096.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2096">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286150401-01286175866-01286178116- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002099.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2099">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thorsten van Lil
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286150401-01286175866-01286178116-01286180668- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002104.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2104">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286150401-01286175866-01286178116-01286180668-01286189910- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002117.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2117">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Rory Albertyn
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286150580- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002084.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2084">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286151661- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002086.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2086">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286152481- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002087.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2087">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286164475- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002095.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2095">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Cliff
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286165114- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002094.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2094">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lawrence A Fossi
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286177163- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002098.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2098">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286177163-01286178122- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002100.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2100">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286177163-01286178122-01286180566- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002103.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2103">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180566-01286183530- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002108.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2108">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180566-01286201109- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002137.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2137">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180566-01286201109-01286203035- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002143.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2143">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01286177163-01286178122-01286180679- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002105.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2105">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fr&#233;d&#233;ric CUIF
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180679-01286191119- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002120.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2120">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286178122-01286180679-01286191119-01286192098- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002124.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2124">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286177163-01286178517- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002101.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2101">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01286177163-01286188105- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002113.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2113">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002115.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2115">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002121.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2121">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286192524- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002125.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2125">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002138.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2138">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002139.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2139">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002144.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2144">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073-01286203373- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002145.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2145">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073-01286204310- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002147.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2147">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073-01286204310-01286206862- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002151.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2151">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202376-01286203073-01286204310-01286206862-01286210754- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002160.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2160">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202939- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002141.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2141">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202939-01286206331- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002150.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2150">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202939-01286206331-01286207335- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002152.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2152">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Patricia Fraser
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191289-01286201471-01286202939-01286206331-01286207335-01286209232- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002155.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2155">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286177163-01286188105-01286188972-01286191459- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002122.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2122">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286180025- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002102.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2102">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286182702- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002106.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2106">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lombard Marianne
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286182900- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002129.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2129">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>C&#233;dric Bortolussi
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286183549- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002109.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2109">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>cedbor
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286183549-01286184619- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002110.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2110">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002111.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2111">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002114.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2114">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002119.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2119">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002133.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2133">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002142.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2142">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002146.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2146">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002148.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2148">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002156.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2156">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002157.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2157">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011-01286210404- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002158.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2158">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011-01286210404-01286214501- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002168.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2168">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011-01286210404-01286214501-01286214905- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002170.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2170">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Remco Rijnders
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286183549-01286184619-01286185237-01286188546-01286189961-01286198974-01286202952-01286204208-01286204829-01286209950-01286210011-01286210404-01286214501-01286215424- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002172.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
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+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 &#224; 15:26 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> Each team will have to decide on itself, for the next two weeks:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * what is in the mentoring program exactly (for instance, Packaging team
+</I>&gt;<i> has to take into account alternative packaging practices and explain
+</I>&gt;<i> why/how it is expected to work in Mageia and how it could evolve);
+</I>
+Hu ?
+( ie what &quot;alternative packaging practice&quot; ? )
+
+&gt;<i> * how/who to sponsor (don't sponsor just a good friend, but someone who
+</I>&gt;<i> can bring great things to your team and the project);
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * for their Council Representative, Team leader and Team backup;
+</I>
+In order to organize elections, etc, we need to have a list of mail.
+
+However, people have been too creative for the email obfuscation
+techniques, and for example if I look at the packagers group, there is
+just too much different scheme.
+
+So let me propose one thing. Either people fix their email to be easy to
+parse using a regexp ( ie one made by Email::Address ), or they will not
+be contacted for the first batch. Alternatively, if someone want to do
+the grunt job of correcting them, patchs and scripts are welcome.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+ <B>Benoit Audouard</B>
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+<PRE>Re,
+
+2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some
+</I>&gt;<i> part
+</I>&gt;<i> will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+here is at instant t a synthesis of what I saw (incomplete, to be discussed,
+enhanced and clarified)
+ <A HREF="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</A>
+
+1) Seting up rsync.mageia.org
+
+
+ done
+
+
+&gt;<i> 2) Mirrors list
+</I>&gt;<i> I'll setup the promise web application (probably on distrib-coffee at time)
+</I>&gt;<i> + an
+</I>&gt;<i> svn read-only access to the code.
+</I>
+
+done
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3) Our First Tier1 (distrib-coffee)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>done
+
+&gt;<i> BTW: finding other Tier1 mirrors is still in progress.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+done, others welcome :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 4) Documentation
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>done
+ <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</A>
+may be easier to update on the wiki ? (and synchronized when corrected /
+precised?)
+
+I suggest editing <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</A> which is
+on the wiki, rather than waiting for an update: this is to permit to any
+people to add what you think is important to document about the mirroring
+process (then Nanar will synchronize the documentation from time to time
+from the wiki ; who said release early, release often?).
+
+
+&gt;<i> Do you have comment or proposal about this process ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I would have some proposals to promote collaborative work, particularly
+about the structure, seeing only tier 1 is forgetting the whole use of
+mirrors by developers and users in the end (and mirrors-admin in the middle
+to determine what should be mirrored). That's why I tried to modelize it as
+a mind-mind with xmind.
+
+Just have a look at:
+ <A HREF="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</A>
+(well it's also a wiki, so feel free to edit it, you may download the xmind
+source as well and edit it, just send it on the ML once updated, telling
+what you've changed)
+@++
+Ben'. aka baud123
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Apparently Kppp will be part
+</I>&gt;<i> of the install package with KDE installs.
+</I>
+If kppp will be a standard in the KDE installation, all right, but we must
+remember those who will use other graphical environments. So GNOMEPPP
+should also be a standard, not to mention that we will use XFCE or LXDE.
+
+&gt;<i> I prefer external modems, less driver problems.
+</I>
+Indeed, me too, but they're generally most expensive and, sometimes,
+depending on the place, hard to find.
+
+For the various providers, it is clear that the ultimate responsibility
+lies with the user, but we can give a force.
+
+I remember that Mandriva 2006 was an assistant for ADSL connections where
+we could choose our country, state, city and operator - or something,
+someone please confirm. A Brazilian discontinued distro, Kurumin, had a
+dialer dialup done with Kommander with phones and configs of several
+national providers.
+
+Of course I'm not suggesting that we collect the dial settings and phone
+numbers for each provider on earth - that would be, perhaps, impossible -
+but we could arrange, for now, a section on the wiki with settings tips
+for the most common providers - these tips written by the users of the
+distro - and in the future, maybe create some application where the user
+can select their country, state, city and provider and the system does
+the rest. Yes, it will be too much work, but the payoff will be huge.
+
+
+
+
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+<PRE>Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny:
+Let's see other projects:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no
+</I>&gt;<i> strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language
+</I>&gt;<i> primarily)
+</I>
+As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United
+Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk.
+
+&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2
+</I>&gt;<i> letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel)
+</I>
+Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that
+Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For
+example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who
+use Ubuntu.
+
+It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of
+the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great
+Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The
+ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua.
+
+&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>
+The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua.
+
+&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>
+#debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even
+says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine.
+
+&gt;<i> * others?
+</I>
+Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of
+users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for
+the name of the channel.
+
+&gt;<i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to
+</I>&gt;<i> their preferred channel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already);
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding;
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team
+</I>&gt;<i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway;
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both
+</I>&gt;<i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the
+</I>&gt;<i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed.
+</I>
+Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine
+and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you
+wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk
+to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the
+channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK
+in both domain names and open source IRC projects.
+
+&gt;<i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for
+</I>&gt;<i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-brasil instead.
+</I>
+Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh
+as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to
+use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance.
+
+&gt;<i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a &quot;IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> Council&quot; of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to
+</I>&gt;<i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage
+</I>&gt;<i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the
+</I>&gt;<i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation
+</I>&gt;<i> soon).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards
+of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels?
+And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would
+simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the
+United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel
+-England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased.
+
+Cofion Gorau,
+Christopher Swift
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+<PRE>Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 01:29 +0100, ysgrifennodd Christopher Swift:
+&gt;<i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's see other projects:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; primarily)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United
+</I>&gt;<i> Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For
+</I>&gt;<i> example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who
+</I>&gt;<i> use Ubuntu.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of
+</I>&gt;<i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great
+</I>&gt;<i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The
+</I>&gt;<i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even
+</I>&gt;<i> says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; * others?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of
+</I>&gt;<i> users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for
+</I>&gt;<i> the name of the channel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; their preferred channel.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already);
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine
+</I>&gt;<i> and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you
+</I>&gt;<i> wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk
+</I>&gt;<i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the
+</I>&gt;<i> channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK
+</I>&gt;<i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; #mageia-brasil instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh
+</I>&gt;<i> as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to
+</I>&gt;<i> use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a &quot;IRC
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Council&quot; of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; soon).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards
+</I>&gt;<i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels?
+</I>&gt;<i> And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would
+</I>&gt;<i> simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the
+</I>&gt;<i> United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel
+</I>&gt;<i> -England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cofion Gorau,
+</I>&gt;<i> Christopher Swift
+</I>
+Sorry but I forgot to add that the UK code is reserved for the United
+Kingdom in the ISO 3166-1 standard whereas the Ukraine is UA. You can
+verify this at
+<A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK">http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK</A>
+
+
+Cofion Gorau,
+Christopher Swift
+--
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+</I>&gt;<i> In fact communication between humans is never simple :)
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+</I>&gt;<i> Ma&#226;t
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes.
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+I think that most hopes and fears have now been voiced in this thread.
+If I have understood correctly you will be the one to set up this
+communication structure.
+So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more constructive
+that way, could you describe that structure as you see it now ?
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+developers, triage, moderators, facilitators, helpers, .... users
+bugzilla, ML's, Forums : open , read only, restricted membership, moderated
+...
+HowTo's, guidelines, ...
+Who does what where ?
+
+Even if incomplete, and with options and unknowns, I think it could help.
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+&gt;<i> Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 01:29 +0100, ysgrifennodd Christopher Swift:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let's see other projects:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> primarily)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use Ubuntu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * others?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the name of the channel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> their preferred channel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-brasil instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a &quot;IRC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Council&quot; of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> soon).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cofion Gorau,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Christopher Swift
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry but I forgot to add that the UK code is reserved for the United
+</I>&gt;<i> Kingdom in the ISO 3166-1 standard whereas the Ukraine is UA. You can
+</I>&gt;<i> verify this at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK">http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cofion Gorau,
+</I>&gt;<i> Christopher Swift
+</I>
+I think we'll just lay this debate dead now as most people in this
+thread can't differ between language codes and country codes. If you
+want community channels for your respective countries, use the country
+codes. If you want to have a language oriented channel, use the language
+codes. And excuses like &quot;Fedora and Ubuntu have it&quot; is not valid. It's
+nor mine or Mageia's problem that they lack the knowledge about
+standards. People who nags here now should have chosen their channel
+names a bit more carefully and checked the facts before they even
+registered them.
+
+Olav Dahlum
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+&gt;<i> Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 01:29 +0100, ysgrifennodd Christopher Swift:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let's see other projects:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> primarily)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use Ubuntu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * others?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the name of the channel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> their preferred channel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-brasil instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a &quot;IRC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Council&quot; of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> soon).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cofion Gorau,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Christopher Swift
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry but I forgot to add that the UK code is reserved for the United
+</I>&gt;<i> Kingdom in the ISO 3166-1 standard whereas the Ukraine is UA. You can
+</I>&gt;<i> verify this at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK">http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cofion Gorau,
+</I>&gt;<i> Christopher Swift
+</I>
+I think we'll just lay this debate dead now as some people in this
+thread can't differ between language codes and country codes. If you
+want community channels for your respective countries, use the country
+codes. If you want to have a language oriented channel, use the language
+codes. And excuses like &quot;Fedora and Ubuntu have it&quot; is not valid. It's
+nor mine or Mageia's problem that they lack the knowledge about
+standards. People who nags here now should have chosen their channel
+names a bit more carefully and checked the facts before they even
+registered them.
+
+Olav Dahlum
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+<PRE> On 05/10/10 02:36, Christopher Swift wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 01:29 +0100, ysgrifennodd Christopher Swift:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Let's see other projects:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> primarily)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As you can see in the Internation list, the channel for the United
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Kingdom users of Fedora is #fedora-uk.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Being a Point of Contact for an Ubuntu LoCo team I can tell you that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ubuntu does indeed have language groups as well as country groups. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use Ubuntu.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. The
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The Mozilla naming scheme for the channel of the Ukraine is #mozilla-ua.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> #debian-uk is also the Debian channel for the United Kingdom, it even
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> says in the brackets that it is not the channel for the Ukraine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * others?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Another project which uses -uk for the channel naming for the group of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users in the United Kingdom is the Gentoo project using #gentoo-uk for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the name of the channel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> their preferred channel.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already);
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding;
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Despite every other project that you have listed using -ua for Ukraine
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and -uk for the United Kingdom as those are their respective ccTLDs you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wish to break this uniformity? By extending the shortened name of -uk
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> channel. -uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> #mageia-brasil instead.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Actually for Breton is more likely that they would be using #mageia-bzh
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as that is their proposed ccTLD. The Brazilians are free to choose to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> use either -br, -brazil or -brasil in this instance.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That drives me to pre-announce that we will have some sort of a &quot;IRC
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Council&quot; of admins/moderators/mediators of IRC channels, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> collaborate with Forum and Mailing-lists peers to manage
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> technical/conflict/discussion topics/issues and escalates to the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> community council in case of need (more on the whole organisation
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> soon).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And as far as naming the channel #mageia-gb for the UK, many Irish would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply feel offended in not recognising their official status in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> United Kingdom, as a Welshman if you were to name the -UK channel
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> -England or -Eng for short I would not be best pleased.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Cofion Gorau,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Christopher Swift
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry but I forgot to add that the UK code is reserved for the United
+</I>&gt;<i> Kingdom in the ISO 3166-1 standard whereas the Ukraine is UA. You can
+</I>&gt;<i> verify this at
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK">http://www.iso.org/iso/support/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/iso-3166-1_decoding_table.htm#UK</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cofion Gorau,
+</I>&gt;<i> Christopher Swift
+</I>
+I think we'll just lay this debate dead now as most people in this
+thread can't differ between language codes and country codes. If you
+want community channels for your respective countries, use the country
+codes. If you want to have a language oriented channel, use the language
+codes. And excuses like &quot;Fedora and Ubuntu have it&quot; is not valid. It's
+nor mine or Mageia's problem that they lack the knowledge about
+standards. People who nags here now should have chosen their channel
+names a bit more carefully and checked the facts before they even
+registered them.
+
+Olav Dahlum
+
+Sorry for the typo above, I meant &quot;some&quot;, not &quot;most&quot;.
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+&gt;<i> I think we'll just lay this debate dead now as most people in this
+</I>&gt;<i> thread can't differ between language codes and country codes. If you
+</I>&gt;<i> want community channels for your respective countries, use the country
+</I>&gt;<i> codes. If you want to have a language oriented channel, use the language
+</I>&gt;<i> codes. And excuses like &quot;Fedora and Ubuntu have it&quot; is not valid. It's
+</I>&gt;<i> nor mine or Mageia's problem that they lack the knowledge about
+</I>&gt;<i> standards. People who nags here now should have chosen their channel
+</I>&gt;<i> names a bit more carefully and checked the facts before they even
+</I>&gt;<i> registered them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olav Dahlum
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sorry for the typo above, I meant &quot;some&quot;, not &quot;most&quot;.
+</I>
+Following on from Olav:
+A great aspect of community is that it can adapted and varied to
+whatever needs you want. It is perfectly possible to use Country Codes,
+Language Codes and Regional Codes in unison with each other. Since the
+English language is the current lingua-franca of technology (why else is
+this list in English) there isn't much of a requirement for there to be
+an English language community for Mageia as the de-facto language in
+most instances unless in a localised channel will be English by default.
+The same cannot be said for the Ukrainian language however to my
+understanding it is only a majority language in the Ukraine itself and
+as such there is no need for an international language-based channel
+dedicated to the Ukrainian language but rather a localised channel for
+the Ukraine's country where Ukraine is the default language. In this
+instance since we have gone over this time and time again, the -ua
+suffix is recognised as the country code for the Ukraine. So for those
+two channels in question, one for the Ukraine and one for the United
+Kingdom, -ua and -uk are deemed to be the most appropriate.
+
+There isn't much more to add to this. Because both groups will not be
+focused on languages but rather locality the country code seems the best
+option. I think it's best to leave the established -uk channel as it is
+and to leave the Ukraine team to choose the standard -ua as established
+across Freenode or to pick another name.
+
+Cofion Gorau,
+Christopher Swift
+--
+Christopher Swift &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">christopher.swift at linux.com</A>&gt;
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Apparently Kppp will be part
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the install package with KDE installs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If kppp will be a standard in the KDE installation, all right, but we must
+</I>&gt;<i> remember those who will use other graphical environments. So GNOMEPPP
+</I>&gt;<i> should also be a standard, not to mention that we will use XFCE or LXDE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I prefer external modems, less driver problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, me too, but they're generally most expensive and, sometimes,
+</I>&gt;<i> depending on the place, hard to find.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the various providers, it is clear that the ultimate responsibility
+</I>&gt;<i> lies with the user, but we can give a force.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I remember that Mandriva 2006 was an assistant for ADSL connections where
+</I>&gt;<i> we could choose our country, state, city and operator - or something,
+</I>&gt;<i> someone please confirm. A Brazilian discontinued distro, Kurumin, had a
+</I>&gt;<i> dialer dialup done with Kommander with phones and configs of several
+</I>&gt;<i> national providers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course I'm not suggesting that we collect the dial settings and phone
+</I>&gt;<i> numbers for each provider on earth - that would be, perhaps, impossible -
+</I>&gt;<i> but we could arrange, for now, a section on the wiki with settings tips
+</I>&gt;<i> for the most common providers - these tips written by the users of the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro - and in the future, maybe create some application where the user
+</I>&gt;<i> can select their country, state, city and provider and the system does
+</I>&gt;<i> the rest. Yes, it will be too much work, but the payoff will be huge.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This sounds reasonable, but let's not forget that the user will only be
+able to access the Wiki AFTER the phone hookup is established. It would
+be a good reference point though for help with Mageia dial-up, modem
+scripts etc.
+
+I think its a good idea.
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+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Since the
+</I>&gt;<i> English language is the current lingua-franca of technology (why else is
+</I>&gt;<i> this list in English) there isn't much of a requirement for there to be
+</I>&gt;<i> an English language community for Mageia as the de-facto language in
+</I>&gt;<i> most instances unless in a localised channel will be English by default.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Ouch! Christopher, I was with you for a while there but whilst it isn't your
+main theme, I'm afraid I just couldn't let this statement of yours go
+un-challenged.
+
+Coming from the land somewhat to the left of yours and a little further up I
+will confess that I would prefer the language designation to be en-UK rather
+than en-GB. But we have have we have. However, as a native English speaker I
+believe that an English language community for Mageia is not just desirable
+but even necessary.
+
+Your assertion that &quot;English language is the current lingua-franca of
+technology&quot; and by extension, I suppose, of computery things, is not my
+perception. For Mandriva, and I suspect for Mageia too, the language should
+more accurately be described as US English. Though they sound very similar
+when spoken, the North American fork of the English language can look very
+different on paper. Even in the spoken form there are jarring discordant
+deviations from standard English grammar which are perfectly correct in US
+English.
+
+So I reckon that somewhere for English speaking people from the UK to hang out
+is, I think, a great idea - so long as we don't need to present our passports
+to prove citizenship:-)
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+Richard
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I reckon that somewhere for English speaking people from the UK to hang out
+</I>&gt;<i> is, I think, a great idea - so long as we don't need to present our passports
+</I>&gt;<i> to prove citizenship:-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Richard
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I disagree. As a US Enlgish speaker, I also wrote for the UK-based
+Linux Format magazine. There are differences in US and UK English, but
+none so severe that meaning is lost. Many idioms are shared or at
+least understandable.
+
+I appreciate the efforts of non-native English speakers to converse in
+English, and even in those instances where they are speaking only a
+bare approximation of English, I am still able to understand them.
+
+I see no need for a GB-only enclave and believe it would only serve to
+isolate them from the larger community. OTOH, where a Linux-oriented
+community exists where many do not speake English in any manner, a
+local-language forun serves to include them in the larger community
+where the lingua-franca is English.
+
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+Cheers,
+Hoyt
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+<PRE>Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 &#224; 23:53 +0000, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> &gt; Apparently Kppp will be part
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of the install package with KDE installs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If kppp will be a standard in the KDE installation, all right, but we must
+</I>&gt;<i> remember those who will use other graphical environments. So GNOMEPPP
+</I>&gt;<i> should also be a standard, not to mention that we will use XFCE or LXDE.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I prefer external modems, less driver problems.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed, me too, but they're generally most expensive and, sometimes,
+</I>&gt;<i> depending on the place, hard to find.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the various providers, it is clear that the ultimate responsibility
+</I>&gt;<i> lies with the user, but we can give a force.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I remember that Mandriva 2006 was an assistant for ADSL connections where
+</I>&gt;<i> we could choose our country, state, city and operator - or something,
+</I>&gt;<i> someone please confirm. A Brazilian discontinued distro, Kurumin, had a
+</I>&gt;<i> dialer dialup done with Kommander with phones and configs of several
+</I>&gt;<i> national providers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course I'm not suggesting that we collect the dial settings and phone
+</I>&gt;<i> numbers for each provider on earth - that would be, perhaps, impossible -
+</I>
+Well, that's exactly what is done for UMTS provider
+( <A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/">http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/</A> ). So i do
+not see why it couldn't be done.
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+<PRE>* Benoit Audouard (<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">baud123 at gmail.com</A>) wrote:
+&gt;<i> Re,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/2 Olivier Thauvin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">nanardon at nanardon.zarb.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I do plan to start to setup the mirror infrastructure this week, even some
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; part
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be temporary. Here the plan for comment and review.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> here is at instant t a synthesis of what I saw (incomplete, to be discussed,
+</I>&gt;<i> enhanced and clarified)
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors">http://cookerspot.tuxfamily.org/wikka.php?wakka=MageiaMirrors</A>
+</I>
+Very good !
+
+&gt;<i> done
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme">http://distrib-coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/mirror.readme</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> may be easier to update on the wiki ? (and synchronized when corrected /
+</I>&gt;<i> precised?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I suggest editing <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=mirror.readme</A> which is
+</I>&gt;<i> on the wiki, rather than waiting for an update: this is to permit to any
+</I>&gt;<i> people to add what you think is important to document about the mirroring
+</I>&gt;<i> process (then Nanar will synchronize the documentation from time to time
+</I>&gt;<i> from the wiki ; who said release early, release often?).
+</I>
+It is an a idea.
+
+Since some people think having a text file at on the mirror tree is a
+good idea I was more thinking to push this file into svn when we'll have
+one.
+
+But at time, I can synchronize it from wiki.
+
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+Olivier Thauvin
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+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 05 October 2010 02:14:47 Christopher Swift wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Since the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> English language is the current lingua-franca of technology (why else is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this list in English) there isn't much of a requirement for there to be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an English language community for Mageia as the de-facto language in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> most instances unless in a localised channel will be English by default.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ouch! Christopher, I was with you for a while there but whilst it isn't your
+</I>&gt;<i> main theme, I'm afraid I just couldn't let this statement of yours go
+</I>&gt;<i> un-challenged.
+</I>&lt;snip&gt;
+&gt;<i> Your assertion that &quot;English language is the current lingua-franca of
+</I>&gt;<i> technology&quot; and by extension, I suppose, of computery things, is not my
+</I>&gt;<i> perception. For Mandriva, and I suspect for Mageia too, the language should
+</I>&gt;<i> more accurately be described as US English. Though they sound very similar
+</I>&gt;<i> when spoken, the North American fork of the English language can look very
+</I>&gt;<i> different on paper. Even in the spoken form there are jarring discordant
+</I>&gt;<i> deviations from standard English grammar which are perfectly correct in US
+</I>&gt;<i> English.
+</I>
+It's true that in &quot;computery things&quot; en_US is more of the lingua
+franca than en_GB or en_IE while although there are some minor
+varieties in phrases and sometimes grammar, the American &quot;write me&quot;
+compared to the British &quot;write to me&quot; the differences are small enough
+that the US and the UK folk can for the most part understand each
+other with very little difficulty. &lt;OT&gt; The main problem that faces me
+in American English is their preference of -ization to -isation but I
+can come to terms with that over time... &lt;/OT&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> So I reckon that somewhere for English speaking people from the UK to hang out
+</I>&gt;<i> is, I think, a great idea - so long as we don't need to present our passports
+</I>&gt;<i> to prove citizenship:-)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>And this is what I've gathered so far from idling the channel for the
+United Kingdom. I can assure you that there's no nationality test as
+you join it however at the same time it provides the opportunity for
+like-minded folk from the same locality to get along and by all means
+the Dutch, Ukrainians, Americans and everyone else is welcome to
+attend providing they have a basic command of English (even if that
+means using Google Translate)!
+
+
+On 5 October 2010 03:36, Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> I see no need for a GB-only enclave and believe it would only serve to
+</I>&gt;<i> isolate them from the larger community. OTOH, where a Linux-oriented
+</I>&gt;<i> community exists where many do not speake English in any manner, a
+</I>&gt;<i> local-language forun serves to include them in the larger community
+</I>&gt;<i> where the lingua-franca is English.
+</I>
+I partly agree that if you become to attached to a subset of the
+community, in this case -uk then you might not take the time to join
+the channel channels such as #mageia. At the same time having
+community channels to me for local or national groups is a great way
+to be more inclusive to people in those regions without the need to be
+excluding outsiders, as always other nationalities are welcome to join
+the -uk channel even though its target is the UK audience. The
+reasons for choosing to target a country rather than a language can
+differ from reasons such as wanting to setup local events for Mageia
+(unlikely for the immediate future but this time next year who
+knows?), providing local support such as British computer vendors that
+sell hardware compatible with Mageia without the need for downloading
+drivers not included in the standard distribution and it can even act
+to help with the en_GB localisation of Mageia specific strings one
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 02:29, Christopher Swift
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">christopher.swift at linux.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Ar Llu, 2010-10-04 am 12:35 +0100, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's see other projects:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>&#160;For example #ubuntu-es isn't aimed at Spain but rather spanish speakers
+</I>&gt;<i> who use Ubuntu.
+</I>
+So again, no consistency (that I don't blame! it was just to know if
+other project used a consistent scheme or not). According to above
+Ubuntu wiki page, #ubuntu-es ought to be for the Spain country.
+
+&gt;<i> It should also be noted that Ubuntu uses the ccTLD to set the name of
+</I>&gt;<i> the channel, so for example the channel for United Kingdom of Great
+</I>&gt;<i> Britain and Northern Ireland would indeed be #ubuntu-uk as it is. &#160;The
+</I>&gt;<i> ccTLD for the UK is indeed .uk whereas Ukraine's ccTLD is .ua.
+</I>
+ccTLD is an option but again, it's using a location-based hint for
+channels than a language-based (which is our main point from day one,
+having location-based as exceptions).
+
+&gt;<i>&#160;By extending the shortened name of -uk
+</I>&gt;<i> to -unitedkingdom you are making it less likely for people to find the
+</I>&gt;<i> channel. &#160;-uk as a suffix is an already declared identifier for the UK
+</I>&gt;<i> in both domain names and open source IRC projects.
+</I>
+True.
+
+&gt;<i> Doesn't it make more sense to comply with the already existing standards
+</I>&gt;<i> of the Ubuntu and Fedora projects in regards to naming IRC channels?
+</I>
+Sure. Just that, it's not a strict, consistent rule regarding what
+suffix to use for what purpose (be it language-based, location-based,
+using language or country or ccTLD code); it's more like a &quot;first come
+first served&quot; usage. Which I don't blame; it's something else, has the
+great merit to simplify the setup.
+
+We can go for that, it will be easier for everyone and stop the fuss,
+provided some naming guidance rules:
+ - use the suffix you want in the #mageia-{suffix} format (reserved
+are -council, -board and other roles/teams related ones - ask in case
+of doubt); you may actually use a totally different name for your
+channel, won't prevent from being referenced;
+ - first come, first served,
+ - contact the IRC Mageia team (email/irc contact to define) to get it
+listed with all Mageia-related channels (we ought to dedicate a page
+for that on the wiki - that will be the main entry point anyway -
+<A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> looks like a good template).
+
+So, no consistency planned for language/location for channels, let's
+grow this. See <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc</A> (will re-route
+web site list to this one).
+
+Here, #mageia-uk first come for United Kingdom, first served. For
+Ukraine/ukrainian-speaking, -ukr or -ua or something else?
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:48:58 -0400
+Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
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+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Using gb for the United Kingdom would possibly be politically
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dangerous, which is why UK websites are .co.uk .org.uk etc and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not .co.gb .org.gb etc.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The full name of our country is the &quot;United Kingdom of Great
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Britain &amp; Northern Ireland&quot; - using the GB code is offensive
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to people from Northern Ireland, because Northern Ireland is a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; valued part of the United Kingdom but is NOT part of Great
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Britain.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As IRC is an internet service, I suggest we stay with UK for the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; United Kingdom (to match our websites) and Ukraine should be UA.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Margot:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fortunately for all concerned, the issues with ISO country codes
+</I>&gt;<i> had nothing to do politically, it was by agreement by all.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ireland has its own country code all of its own. ISO agreement
+</I>&gt;<i> are traditionally closely monitored by the UN membership states.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK.
+
+I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of
+information, but this page is pretty accurate:
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A>
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+**Otford Ducks Computers**
+We teach, you learn...
+...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
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+&gt;<i> Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 &#195; 11:44 +0100, doug a &#195;&#169;crit :
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+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can I put in a plea on behalf of users who can't even use a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> telephone hook-up because of the appalling phone connection,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> e.g. in a rural area through Telecom Italia, and are obliged
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to depend on a 'dongle'?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I found an installation procedure for my dongle freely
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available on the internet; it's not proprietary. In fact the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Windows installation disk that comes with the dongle itself
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> uses it. AFAICT it's the details of the dialer defaults, in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> particular the init strings, that would have to be sorted
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> out for different broadband providers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have information to share, you should fill a bug report.
+</I>
+
+I'm not clear where I could file a bug report.
+I can certainly set out what worked for me with Mandriva
+2009.1 for a particular provider. It didn't seem especially
+complicated; the main problem was tracking down the relevant
+information in the first place.
+So where would I send it?
+
+&gt;<i> Developers cannot really track down every provider on the planet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No, i must confess that I didn't use a modem since a long time ( the
+</I>&gt;<i> only one I used is the one of my mobile phone, and I used wvdial (not
+</I>&gt;<i> user friendly) and network-manager ( not sure it can work with non 3g
+</I>&gt;<i> modem )), so I cannot really tell where to look for filling a bug
+</I>&gt;<i> report.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But I think you are right and that's important to make sure that it work
+</I>&gt;<i> fine.
+</I>
+
+&lt;quote from later in this thread&gt;...............................
+ &gt; &gt; Of course I'm not suggesting that we collect the dial
+settings and phone
+ &gt; &gt; numbers for each provider on earth - that would be,
+perhaps, impossible -
+Well, that's exactly what is done for UMTS provider
+(
+<A HREF="http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/">http://git.gnome.org/browse/mobile-broadband-provider-info/</A>
+). So i do
+not see why it couldn't be done.
+ &lt;end quote&gt;
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+Wouldn't this be the basis for including, say, a default
+dongle installation and a number of representative providers
+or appropriate links?
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+<PRE>Sorry to interrupt, but IMHO that differences between en-US and en-UK
+could not be bigger than differences between Spanish from Spain and
+Spanish from Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Bolvia, Paraguay, and so on. We
+all were colonies for almost the same time and in the same period.
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+The main language (don't know, maybe more than 95%?) is the same
+Spanish for all countries. We understand each other perfectly.
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+See www.blogdrake.net: we're the Spanish speaking community. We're
+integrated by people from Spain and all Latinamerica. And we share
+all: forum, mailing lists, IRC.
+
+Main BOFH from Blogdrake is from El Salvador. Previous main BOFH is
+from Spain, but he lives in USA. I'm a &quot;junior&quot; BOFH and I am from
+Argentina. We have BOFH from Mexico, Spain, Chile, etc.
+
+I don't like to stop and look on every single detail that separates
+us. Let's make a pol and see how many blond members we have and let's
+create a channel for them.
+
+Ups! But let's see how many blond people speaks German. And how many
+speak English. So we can have a channel for blond English speaker
+people and a channel fro blond German speaker people.
+
+And after that, we can ask how many gays are there.
+
+In some point, we must stop.
+
+My 2 cents.
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+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dlucio at okay.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Well I got an oportunity on presenting Mageia in Enli2010 conferences
+</I>&gt;<i> (www.enli.org.mx). &#160;Can we all work on a presentation? &#160;So mexican people get
+</I>&gt;<i> involved and see this
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+</I>&gt;<i> I will place initial ODP in a public place so we may place suggestion.
+</I>
+Please do. We don't have material for this yet but indeed, that would
+be great. Indeed we're stioll at the introduction stage but pieces are
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+Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net:
+(<A HREF="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</A>).
+Abs
+MacXi
+
+
+Em Seg 04 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+escreveu:
+&gt;<i> MacXi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tier1 &#233; um tipo de rede IP, isso n&#227;o se traduz. Talvez voc&#234; possa colocar
+</I>&gt;<i> um link para uma p&#225;gina que explique o que &#233;.
+</I>&gt;<i> Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que l&#225; tenha algo bem explicado.
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+&gt;<i> So, no consistency planned for language/location for channels, let's
+</I>&gt;<i> grow this. See <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc</A> (will re-route
+</I>&gt;<i> web site list to this one).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here, #mageia-uk first come for United Kingdom, first served. For
+</I>&gt;<i> Ukraine/ukrainian-speaking, -ukr or -ua or something else?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+Seems like this is all wrapped up at last. Ideally we could a model of
+both local teams and language teams being able to use a 2 character
+country/language code. It might be possible to have for example
+#mageia-es to cater for Spanish speaking support and local Spanish
+events if that is the will of the channel owner, or one or the other. I
+reckon that we should take this on a case-by-case basis by listening to
+the teams involved in how they would like their #mageia-* namespace to
+be used.
+
+With regions such as Wales (Cymru in Welsh) it may be a better option to
+use three letter codes such as -cym for Cymru, -sco for Scotland or -bzh
+for Brittany. Or we could have #mageia-fr-br to represent that Brittany
+is part of France and #mageia-uk-cy to show that Cymru/Wales is part of
+the UK. We should try to stick to the ISO standards are closely as
+possible but there may be times where two groups, i.e. a country code
+and a language code may conflict and it best to serve those on a first
+come first served basis in my humble opinion.
+
+Anyone else got any differing ideas for the matter at hand?
+
+Cofion Gorau
+Chris
+--
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:48:58 -0400
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Using gb for the United Kingdom would possibly be politically
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dangerous, which is why UK websites are .co.uk .org.uk etc and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> not .co.gb .org.gb etc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The full name of our country is the &quot;United Kingdom of Great
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Britain&amp; Northern Ireland&quot; - using the GB code is offensive
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to people from Northern Ireland, because Northern Ireland is a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> valued part of the United Kingdom but is NOT part of Great
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Britain.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As IRC is an internet service, I suggest we stay with UK for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> United Kingdom (to match our websites) and Ukraine should be UA.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hi Margot:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fortunately for all concerned, the issues with ISO country codes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> had nothing to do politically, it was by agreement by all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ireland has its own country code all of its own. ISO agreement
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> are traditionally closely monitored by the UN membership states.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of
+</I>&gt;<i> information, but this page is pretty accurate:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, by
+international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at
+the time of signing) Ireland's country code is IE. Ireland was part of
+this agreement.
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+ from Gustavo Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Sorry to interrupt, but IMHO that differences between en-US and en-UK
+</I>&gt;<i> could not be bigger than differences between Spanish from Spain and
+</I>&gt;<i> Spanish from Argentina, Chile, Mexico, Bolvia, Paraguay, and so on. We
+</I>&gt;<i> all were colonies for almost the same time and in the same period.
+</I>
+And the languages have diverged ever since the colonization over four hundred
+years ago, with the result that Paraguay Spanish, heavily salted with words
+and expressions borrowed from the Guarani, is in my opinion as far removed
+from the Spanish of Spain as Broad Scots is from the Quenn's English.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ On ne peut pas aimer vraiment une femme
+ sans aimer un peu toutes les femmes
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> information, but this page is pretty accurate:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, by
+</I>&gt;<i> international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at the
+</I>&gt;<i> time of signing) Ireland's country code is IE. Ireland was part of this
+</I>&gt;<i> agreement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you keep confusing Ireland as a country and Ireland as geographical
+</I>island. Ireland the country does not cover all of Ireland the geographical
+island.
+Ireland's country code is IE but does not apply to the whole of Ireland the
+geographical island. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A> is not
+part of
+IE but of UK.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-05 09:04, Christopher Swift a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Ar Maw, 2010-10-05 am 10:38 +0200, ysgrifennodd Romain d'Alverny:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> So, no consistency planned for language/location for channels, let's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grow this. See <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=irc</A> (will re-route
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> web site list to this one).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Here, #mageia-uk first come for United Kingdom, first served. For
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ukraine/ukrainian-speaking, -ukr or -ua or something else?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems like this is all wrapped up at last. Ideally we could a model of
+</I>&gt;<i> both local teams and language teams being able to use a 2 character
+</I>&gt;<i> country/language code. It might be possible to have for example
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-es to cater for Spanish speaking support and local Spanish
+</I>&gt;<i> events if that is the will of the channel owner, or one or the other. I
+</I>&gt;<i> reckon that we should take this on a case-by-case basis by listening to
+</I>&gt;<i> the teams involved in how they would like their #mageia-* namespace to
+</I>&gt;<i> be used.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With regions such as Wales (Cymru in Welsh) it may be a better option to
+</I>&gt;<i> use three letter codes such as -cym for Cymru, -sco for Scotland or -bzh
+</I>&gt;<i> for Brittany. Or we could have #mageia-fr-br to represent that Brittany
+</I>&gt;<i> is part of France and #mageia-uk-cy to show that Cymru/Wales is part of
+</I>&gt;<i> the UK. We should try to stick to the ISO standards are closely as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible but there may be times where two groups, i.e. a country code
+</I>&gt;<i> and a language code may conflict and it best to serve those on a first
+</I>&gt;<i> come first served basis in my humble opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyone else got any differing ideas for the matter at hand?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cofion Gorau
+</I>&gt;<i> Chris
+</I>
+In order to circumvent problems with the confusion of 2 letter code with
+country-code and language-code designation, the ISO ratified the ISO
+country-code with 2 letters
+(<A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>); ISO
+ratified the ISO language-code with 2 or 3 letters
+(<A HREF="http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp?order=639_3&amp;letter=e">http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/codes.asp?order=639_3&amp;letter=e</A>) -- not that
+the SIL International, site that this link points to, is the
+international organization in charge of codifying the language codes..
+
+In our case a country-code designation and a country-code designation fo
+3 letter would solve the problem.
+
+#mageia-uk (channel for country-localization - UK)
+#mageia-eng (channel for language-localization - English language)
+
+#mageia-fr (channel for country-localization- France))
+#mageia-fra (channel for language-localization - French language)
+
+#mageia-es (channel for country-localization - Spain)
+#mageia-spa (channel for language-localization - spanish language)
+
+The is clear and easily explainable and verifyable by identifying our
+reasons in a FAQ item with a link to the sites in charge of the conventions.
+
+How easy is that?
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> information, but this page is pretty accurate:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, by
+</I>&gt;<i> international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement at
+</I>&gt;<i> the time of signing) Ireland's country code is IE. Ireland was part of
+</I>&gt;<i> this agreement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I forgot the link:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements">http://www.iso.org/iso/english_country_names_and_code_elements</A>
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+Cheers
+
+Marc
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+</I>&gt;<i> Wouldn't this be the basis for including, say, a default dongle
+</I>&gt;<i> installation and a number of representative providers or appropriate links?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This would make the job of the maintainer of these setups quite a
+dedicated job. Providers come and go depending on their financial
+success. When they are successful, the get bought out. It would be best,
+in my opinion, as a FAQ or Wiki item that would somehow be available to
+users at the time of installation. A text file does not take a lot of
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-05 09:23, Frederic Janssens a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:07, Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;mailto:<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Northern Ireland is NOT part of Ireland, it is part of the UK.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know that Wikipedia is not always a trusted source of
+</I>&gt;<i> information, but this page is pretty accurate:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on one's point of view, by
+</I>&gt;<i> international convention (meaning that all parties were in agreement
+</I>&gt;<i> at the time of signing) Ireland's country code is IE. Ireland was
+</I>&gt;<i> part of this agreement.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you keep confusing Ireland as a country and Ireland as
+</I>&gt;<i> geographical island. Ireland the country does not cover all of Ireland
+</I>&gt;<i> the geographical island.
+</I>&gt;<i> Ireland's country code is IE but does not apply to the whole of Ireland
+</I>&gt;<i> the geographical island. <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> is not part of
+</I>&gt;<i> IE but of UK.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Frederic
+</I>
+But you are speaking on a geographical/physical term which is what we
+are not. We are speaking of country-code and language-code. There could
+be an international organization codifying the geographical/physical
+code of land masses --- I don't know.
+
+But this is not what we are talking about.
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> And the languages have diverged ever since the colonization over four hundred
+</I>&gt;<i> years ago, with the result that Paraguay Spanish, heavily salted with words
+</I>&gt;<i> and expressions borrowed from the Guarani, is in my opinion as far removed
+</I>&gt;<i> from the Spanish of Spain as Broad Scots is from the Quenn's English.
+</I>
+Yes, people from Paraguay in some cases, speak Guarani too. And mix
+both languages. But they can speak Spanish only. I know it because I
+know people from Paraguay, born in Paraguay, that came here for work.
+And guess what? We both speak Spanish!!!!! Wow!!!! And we can
+understand each other!!!!!!
+
+We have different accent, but use same Spanish. Call it &quot;neutral
+Spanish&quot;, &quot;basic Spanish&quot;, &quot;traditional Spanish&quot;. Insults may differ
+(but not all insults XDDDDDD).
+
+And, in Argentina, in province of Corrientes, people use to talk both,
+Spanish and Guarani. And guess what? They are also Argentinean!!!! In
+fact, my mother-in-law is from Corrientes, but she doesn't speak
+Guarani. Only Spanish...
+
+Truth is that, if you really want to separate, you will always find a reason.
+
+I speak with people from Chile, from Bolivia, from Paraguay. I
+understand all of them and they understand me.
+
+I watch movies from Spain (like movies from Alex De La Iglesia) and I
+understand every single word. Even &quot;regionalisms&quot; because you see the
+context and the &quot;base&quot; language is the same.
+
+You must &quot;live&quot; the experience. Spanish is almost the same in all
+countries. All Latin American countries speak Spanish as dictated by
+RAE (Real Academia Espa&#241;ola www.rae.es )
+
+Nobody told me. I lived the experience. That's why (no disrespect
+intended) nothing you can write will change my mind.
+
+As far as I know, Americans and British fought WW II together and they
+understood each other. Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair use to talk each other
+without translators. And Americans can read Shakespeare pretty well ;)
+
+You really think that four hundred years made Spain to speak Spanish
+and Argentineans to speak something so different like the Japanese???
+
+And we both should stop here. IMHO we're hijacking the thread
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+&gt;<i> In our case a country-code designation and a country-code designation fo 3
+</I>&gt;<i> letter would solve the problem.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How easy is that?
+</I>
+As said above, this is sorted out now. Thanks a lot for all comments
+and ideas but this is not going to end otherwise.
+
+As explained on the wiki page linked before, first come, first served;
+you may use this 2/3-ISO scheme as well if you like but it will not be
+enforced backwards (unless we see a massive registration for both
+usages - location and language + an agreement on this afterwise).
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+Let's move on.
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 15:26, Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In our case a country-code designation and a country-code designation fo 3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> letter would solve the problem.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How easy is that?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As said above, this is sorted out now. Thanks a lot for all comments
+</I>&gt;<i> and ideas but this is not going to end otherwise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As explained on the wiki page linked before, first come, first served;
+</I>&gt;<i> you may use this 2/3-ISO scheme as well if you like but it will not be
+</I>&gt;<i> enforced backwards (unless we see a massive registration for both
+</I>&gt;<i> usages - location and language + an agreement on this afterwise).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let's move on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+No problem. Sorry for the rants.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 05/10/2010 02:39, Frederic Janssens a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I have understood correctly you will be the one to set up this
+</I>&gt;<i> communication structure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm involved in forum part... that's just a tiny part of the whole
+communication structure :)
+
+&gt;<i> So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more
+</I>&gt;<i> constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it
+</I>&gt;<i> now ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> developers, triage, moderators, facilitators, helpers, .... users
+</I>&gt;<i> bugzilla, ML's, Forums : open , read only, restricted membership,
+</I>&gt;<i> moderated ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Developers will organize themselves i guess... as already said i think
+that nobody should try to force them to do things.
+
+Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to
+bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a
+(hopefully big) number of them in forum support team.
+
+-- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users
+(and hopefully also skilled experts) willing to guide less experienced
+users and new comers. Ideally this team should be rather large to give
+users a feeling of being quickly and well taken care of.
+The members of this team will offer the better way for Mageia to welcome
+users and give a positive support experience. This task can be very time
+consuming so the more skilled they will be and the more their number
+will be, the more easy to endure will be the task and the more happy
+will be Mageia end users.
+
+This team work and the quality of packagers work (iow the distro) imho
+will be the best assets of Mageia to conquer the world :o) (i'm
+borrowing Goom's &quot;clown nose&quot;)
+
+Qualities required (let's dream ^^) :
+
+ * Good knowledge of installation and drak*wizards + general
+ knowledge of linux and software you can run.
+ * At least basic knowledge of howto deal with errors (where to find
+ logs and error messages, basic decoding of these messages)
+ * Indulgence and understanding for basic newbies errors and frequent
+ misunderstandings
+ * A holy halo would be appr&#233;ciated (and angel wings also) ^^
+ * And the reflex to call developers and packagers for help when the
+ problems appear to be really complex...
+
+
+-- Moderators will be the warrants of netiquette, respect between users,
+fair play and Mageia spirit. They can also be part of Support team if
+they have the knowledge and the time to carry both tasks well. We will
+rely on them to limit trolls and to ensure people don't fight each other
+or infringe forum rules. They'll need to be very present even if not
+clearly active on topics. This burden is very time consuming and can
+also need a good self control.
+
+Qualities required :
+
+ * Easy communication (think of Freenode's catalysts description)
+ * Phlegm
+ * Self control in case the previous qualities prove to be not enough
+ * Wisdom if ultimately needed ^^
+
+-- Administrators will be the warrants of the forum activity under the
+control of Mageia board. They will do low level tasks, code features
+patch bugs, create groups, organize and maintain forum structure, do
+maintenance and update operations, give rights to groups, be forbidden
+to sleep when things go wrong. They will manage moderator teams and help
+them if necessary. Having strong cooperation and real trust between
+Moderators and Administrators is very important.
+
+There will be probably other groups like &quot;Board members&quot;, &quot;Packagers&quot;,
+&quot;Translators&quot;, &quot;Doc writers&quot;, &quot;Cauldron testers&quot;. Dunno yet if those
+groups will have special rights or features enabled. At the beginning
+nope but as (hopefully) cool changes are hacked and mods added things
+will probably evolve :)
+
+And i guess howtos and guides will be helpful at least for Support Team
+and Moderators...
+
+Cheers,
+Ma&#226;t
+
+&gt;<i> HowTo's, guidelines, ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Who does what where ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Even if incomplete, and with options and unknowns, I think it could help.
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Frederic
+</I>
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+S&#243; pra melhorar o entendimento, muitas vezes essas redes s&#227;o chamadas apenas
+de T1, T2, T3...
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+Abra&#231;os,
+
+J&#250;nior
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+Em 5 de outubro de 2010 10:23, MacXi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+
+&gt;<i> Junior,
+</I>&gt;<i> Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net:
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</A>).
+</I>&gt;<i> Abs
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Em Seg 04 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>&gt;<i> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; MacXi,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Tier1 &#233; um tipo de rede IP, isso n&#227;o se traduz. Talvez voc&#234; possa colocar
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; um link para uma p&#225;gina que explique o que &#233;.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que l&#225; tenha algo bem explicado.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Abra&#231;os,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; J&#250;nior
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+<PRE>2010/10/5 Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ajunior at brasifort.com.br</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> MacXi,
+</I>&gt;<i> S&#243; pra melhorar o entendimento, muitas vezes essas redes s&#227;o chamadas apenas
+</I>&gt;<i> de T1, T2, T3...
+</I>
+Could you please use english language on -discuss ?
+Thanks
+
+&gt;<i> Abra&#231;os,
+</I>&gt;<i> J&#250;nior
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Em 5 de outubro de 2010 10:23, MacXi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Junior,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</A>).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Abs
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Em Seg 04 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; MacXi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Tier1 &#233; um tipo de rede IP, isso n&#227;o se traduz. Talvez voc&#234; possa
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; colocar
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#160;um link para uma p&#225;gina que explique o que &#233;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que l&#225; tenha algo bem explicado.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Abra&#231;os,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; J&#250;nior
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 00:38, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 &#224; 15:26 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Each team will have to decide on itself, for the next two weeks:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* what is in the mentoring program exactly (for instance, Packaging team
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;has to take into account alternative packaging practices and explain
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160;why/how it is expected to work in Mageia and how it could evolve);
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hu ?
+</I>&gt;<i> ( ie what &quot;alternative packaging practice&quot; ? )
+</I>
+Well, I guess that not all that enlisted in the packaging team are
+from the Cooker packagers group.
+
+So there are a process, documents to agree all on so that the whole
+Team works well together. Process for working together (according to
+set standards - here in this case, I believe we should base all this
+on current Cooker practices and policies - but it's best that the Team
+itself decides on its own).
+
+Discussing it further with founding members (mentoring program, how to
+apply), here are a few _important details_.
+
+All teams discussion channels should be of public access (at least one
+place to join and follow what happens).
+
+Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of view):
+ * &quot;Apprentices&quot; (people being mentored into the team - someone
+suggested &quot;petit scarab&#233;e&quot; as a label but...)
+ * and &quot;Masters&quot;.
+
+Depending on Teams, there may be more than that (for instance, Web
+team may have apprentice, master, webmaster or a more specific role -
+vetoing what goes online for instance).
+
+The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for
+decisions or leader election) and full rights on the infrastructure.
+
+Apprentices have no voice yet and less rights on infrastructure,
+provided they are being mentored. It's then up to Masters to decide if
+an Apprentice makes it to Master or not. That's the reality behind the
+mentoring process.
+
+Now, to start the train, we've got to figure who will be first Masters
+and Apprentices. We expect everyone to be square on this and would
+like to start with the following rule, provided things go smoothly
+after.
+
+We are suggesting here for packagers only, that's a specific case.
+Each team should come up with its own agreement. Packaging Team
+Masters are those who are Cooker maintainers as of today. Others are
+Apprentices. Packaging team should focus then on build-system setup
+and mentoring process. Apprentices may become masters at any time,
+it's up for each team to decide.
+
+Should there be any conflict or gray-zone, don't get upset, just tell
+us and we will try to sort this out. In last resort, of course, the
+founding board will decide if needed.
+
+Oh and we ought to setup mailing-lists for each team shortly.
+
+Note that this somewhat chaotic step is happening only to start the whole thing.
+
+Thanks a lot for your comments and points.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Ma&#226;t wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Developers will organize themselves i guess... as already said i think
+</I>&gt;<i> that nobody should try to force them to do things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to
+</I>&gt;<i> bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a
+</I>&gt;<i> (hopefully big) number of them in forum support team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- Moderators will be the warrants of netiquette, respect between users,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> -- Administrators will be the warrants of the forum activity under the
+</I>[...]
+
+Please don't take this personal, but this sounds like the plan to
+organise an army rather than a fun project.
+
+Personally I see myself in none and at the same time in many of those
+groups. I enrolled (to use army terminology) in the packager team but so
+far for example i did the italian translation of the mageia home page
+and the demonstration of the forum gateway, both things completely
+unrelated to packaging.
+
+I understand that some people like to just focus on one niche (and
+they should be able to do just that), but others like myself get quickly
+bored doing just one thing all the time, so personally I hope the
+structure won't be so rigid that people like myself can't collaborate a
+bit everywhere.
+
+For example I will be on the forum too, occasionally helping newbies, I
+might spot someone reporting what looks like a bug in app that i have
+packaged so i might look at it straightaway (bypassing the bug/triage
+team), etc.
+
+So I hope the Mageia leaders will keep this into account and encourage
+mixing between the teams, rather than rigid separation.
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+ from Gustavo Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Yes, people from Paraguay in some cases, speak Guarani too. And mix
+</I>&gt;<i> both languages. But they can speak Spanish only. I know it because I
+</I>&gt;<i> know people from Paraguay, born in Paraguay, that came here for work.
+</I>&gt;<i> And guess what? We both speak Spanish!!!!! Wow!!!! And we can
+</I>&gt;<i> understand each other!!!!!!
+</I>
+With the distinction that, when they speak the Spanish you understand, they
+are not speaking their mother-tongue, but a similar foreign language, which
+they had to learn at school; like the Scots who speaks English instead of
+Broad Scots, so he can be understood by the Sasenachs.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ The first half of our lives is ruined by our parents
+ and the second half by our children.
+ -- Clarence Darrow
+
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+ <B>Tux99</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of view):
+</I>&gt;<i> * &quot;Apprentices&quot; (people being mentored into the team - someone
+</I>&gt;<i> suggested &quot;petit scarab&#233;e&quot; as a label but...)
+</I>&gt;<i> * and &quot;Masters&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>[...]
+
+Romain, that sound like a very rigid regimented structure that I fear
+will cause &quot;i'm better than you&quot; kind of feelings, etc.
+
+I don't see the point in strictly classifying people in either masters
+or slaves (sorry, freudian slip, i meant apprentices) because skill
+levels are a lot more varied and fluid than just two classes.
+
+Of course there will be mentors and mentored but there is no need to
+create a rigid two class structure with priviledges for the master
+class.
+
+This sounds very much against the spirit of a collaborative community to
+me.
+
+Please also read my other related post:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=66&amp;goto=596#msg_596">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=66&amp;goto=596#msg_596</A>
+
+I hope this dual-class system is not set in stone already.
+
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+<PRE>Le 05/10/2010 16:43, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/5 Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ajunior at brasifort.com.br</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> MacXi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> S&#243; pra melhorar o entendimento, muitas vezes essas redes s&#227;o chamadas apenas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> de T1, T2, T3...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you please use english language on -discuss ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+I would also add to avoid &quot;top-posting&quot; to keep the messages of this
+thread in the right order.
+
+Thanks.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Abra&#231;os,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> J&#250;nior
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Em 5 de outubro de 2010 10:23, MacXi&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt; escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Junior,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Valeu pela dica. Tb encontrei um link na net:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1">http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tier_1</A>).
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Abs
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Em Seg 04 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:22:01, Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> escreveu:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> MacXi,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Tier1 &#233; um tipo de rede IP, isso n&#227;o se traduz. Talvez voc&#234; possa
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> colocar
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> um link para uma p&#225;gina que explique o que &#233;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Consulte a Wikipedia, acredito que l&#225; tenha algo bem explicado.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Abra&#231;os,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> J&#250;nior
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+--
+DjeZAeL
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of view):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* &quot;Apprentices&quot; (people being mentored into the team - someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggested &quot;petit scarab&#233;e&quot; as a label but...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* and &quot;Masters&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain, that sound like a very rigid regimented structure that I fear
+</I>&gt;<i> will cause &quot;i'm better than you&quot; kind of feelings, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see the point in strictly classifying people in either masters
+</I>&gt;<i> or slaves (sorry, freudian slip, i meant apprentices) because skill
+</I>&gt;<i> levels are a lot more varied and fluid than just two classes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course there will be mentors and mentored but there is no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> create a rigid two class structure with priviledges for the master
+</I>&gt;<i> class.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This sounds very much against the spirit of a collaborative community to
+</I>&gt;<i> me.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please also read my other related post:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=66&amp;goto=596#msg_596">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=msg&amp;th=66&amp;goto=596#msg_596</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope this dual-class system is not set in stone already.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It's not about skill, it's about experience, any packager who's going
+to gain commit/submit privileges to the official repos needs to be
+clued in on how that system works, what packaging rules to follow,
+what's to avoid... etc; some how like the mailing lists etiquette
+users, who were posting to mailing lists for the very first time,
+needed to learn. The difference here is submitting a package in the
+repos means many users may use it, so stricter rules apply here.
+
+And the apprenticeship won't take a year, probably about 1 month (2 at
+the very most), depending on each mentors' time. Collaborating means
+new comers should be taught on how that they collaborating in should
+work :)
+
+FWIW, most of the packagers who maintained packages in Mandriva went
+through the same teaching/apprenticeship process.
+
+&#8220;Reminds me of Star Wars, 'Apprentice' does&#8221; :)
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &#8220;Reminds me of Star Wars, 'Apprentice' does&#8221; :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+I'd vote for &quot;Young grasshopper&quot;
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Ma&#257;t wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For example I will be on the forum too, occasionally helping newbies, I
+</I>&gt;<i> might spot someone reporting what looks like a bug in app that i have
+</I>&gt;<i> packaged so i might look at it straightaway (bypassing the bug/triage
+</I>&gt;<i> team), etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I hope the Mageia leaders will keep this into account and encourage
+</I>&gt;<i> mixing between the teams, rather than rigid separation.
+</I>
+The point of the structure is not separating tasks but ensuring that
+people who volunteered for one task will have the time and commitment
+to carry out this task not only occasionally but for the whole time he
+can dedicate to Mageia. Of course you can do support and translation
+and triage,, etc. occasionally. But as a Moderator you have an
+obligation to be present once you committed yourself to that job.
+Can't be that there is no Mod around when needed because all of them
+are doing other tasks.
+I am not a friend of rigid structures but I see the necessity where it
+is needed.
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+<PRE>On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
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+&gt;<i> The point of the structure is not separating tasks but ensuring that
+</I>&gt;<i> people who volunteered for one task will have the time and commitment
+</I>&gt;<i> to carry out this task not only occasionally but for the whole time he
+</I>&gt;<i> can dedicate to Mageia. Of course you can do support and translation
+</I>&gt;<i> and triage,, etc. occasionally. But as a Moderator you have an
+</I>&gt;<i> obligation to be present once you committed yourself to that job.
+</I>&gt;<i> Can't be that there is no Mod around when needed because all of them
+</I>&gt;<i> are doing other tasks.
+</I>
+If that's how it is intended, then that's fine by me, my concern was
+primarily that the structures described might hinder occasional
+spontaneous additional volunteer work in other teams/tasks than the
+one, that someone enrolled in, without having to first enroll in other
+teams.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 &#224; 17:03 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 00:38, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le lundi 04 octobre 2010 &#224; 15:26 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Each team will have to decide on itself, for the next two weeks:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; * what is in the mentoring program exactly (for instance, Packaging team
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; has to take into account alternative packaging practices and explain
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; why/how it is expected to work in Mageia and how it could evolve);
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hu ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( ie what &quot;alternative packaging practice&quot; ? )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, I guess that not all that enlisted in the packaging team are
+</I>&gt;<i> from the Cooker packagers group.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So there are a process, documents to agree all on so that the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> Team works well together. Process for working together (according to
+</I>&gt;<i> set standards - here in this case, I believe we should base all this
+</I>&gt;<i> on current Cooker practices and policies - but it's best that the Team
+</I>&gt;<i> itself decides on its own).
+</I>
+I also think we should use the cooker practices and policy. If we intend
+to fork mandriva, we should start at this point. And once we have a
+release, then we can discuss to change the policy.
+
+&gt;<i> Discussing it further with founding members (mentoring program, how to
+</I>&gt;<i> apply), here are a few _important details_.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All teams discussion channels should be of public access (at least one
+</I>&gt;<i> place to join and follow what happens).
+</I>
+Well, I would even mandate that all discussions should be public, unless
+very specific case.
+
+For example, I guess the security team will not want to discuss
+everything in public, cause there is some embargo issues and so on. That
+would be a valid case ( even if this then appeal for the whole
+discussion of full disclosure ). But as the secteam could also take care
+of regular updates coordination, and since bugfixes are not secret, and
+should not be, I do not think that everything concerning secteam should
+be private. I also think that for example a security bug who is know and
+public have no reason to be secret on our side.
+
+And I think being public is important to avoid the alienating feeling of
+facing a cabal and being ignored. People do not feel welcomed when we
+say to them &quot;you are a outsider, so we won't talk to you&quot;.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of view):
+</I>&gt;<i> * &quot;Apprentices&quot; (people being mentored into the team - someone
+</I>&gt;<i> suggested &quot;petit scarab&#233;e&quot; as a label but...)
+</I>&gt;<i> * and &quot;Masters&quot;.
+</I>
+Well, as i said, I think master is not the ideal term.
+
+&gt;<i> Depending on Teams, there may be more than that (for instance, Web
+</I>&gt;<i> team may have apprentice, master, webmaster or a more specific role -
+</I>&gt;<i> vetoing what goes online for instance).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for
+</I>&gt;<i> decisions or leader election) and full rights on the infrastructure.
+</I>
+In the case of packagers, we still need to discuss ACLs on packages.
+Even at mandriva, who has the most open policy I have seen in term of
+commit rights ( when compared to Ubuntu, Gentoo, Fedora and debian ), we
+had ACLs on some packages ( kernel, glibc, etc ).
+
+So who decide the acl ? The board, the team, a technical comitee ?
+
+&gt;<i> Apprentices have no voice yet and less rights on infrastructure,
+</I>&gt;<i> provided they are being mentored. It's then up to Masters to decide if
+</I>&gt;<i> an Apprentice makes it to Master or not. That's the reality behind the
+</I>&gt;<i> mentoring process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now, to start the train, we've got to figure who will be first Masters
+</I>&gt;<i> and Apprentices. We expect everyone to be square on this and would
+</I>&gt;<i> like to start with the following rule, provided things go smoothly
+</I>&gt;<i> after.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are suggesting here for packagers only, that's a specific case.
+</I>&gt;<i> Each team should come up with its own agreement. Packaging Team
+</I>&gt;<i> Masters are those who are Cooker maintainers as of today. Others are
+</I>&gt;<i> Apprentices. Packaging team should focus then on build-system setup
+</I>&gt;<i> and mentoring process. Apprentices may become masters at any time,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's up for each team to decide.
+</I>
+As I said on irc, I kinda dislike calling a group &quot;master&quot; for
+packagers. We are trying to reduce the gap between developers and users,
+and as a developer, I am really bothered by such appellation because I
+feel it put too much distance between me and non developers, and I think
+we try to avoid that.
+
+More ever, some people think &quot;I am not in the master group, this name
+sound made for important people so I cannot do anything&quot;, and do not
+feel empowered.
+
+And the equivalent group in Ubuntu is called MOTU, for Masters of the
+universe. Which is either funny if you know the animated series, or a
+little bit pompous otherwise.
+
+So as we do not want to appear to have copied on Ubuntu ( as this would
+be quite the contrary regarding the packaging community ), I think the
+name could be changed to a more factual and a less connoted name.
+
+OTOH, I agree with the concept, as it worked well ( from my point of
+view ) in cooker, and is kinda used everywhere ( with various level of
+bureaucracy ) in free software world, especially in distribution world.
+
+
+But given the size of the packaging volunteers group compared to the
+current group able to mentor ( ie current cooker packagers who
+volunteered ), I expect the backlog of people who want to become
+packager to be huge for a long time, which itself bring some interesting
+issues.
+
+&gt;<i> Should there be any conflict or gray-zone, don't get upset, just tell
+</I>&gt;<i> us and we will try to sort this out. In last resort, of course, the
+</I>&gt;<i> founding board will decide if needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh and we ought to setup mailing-lists for each team shortly.
+</I>
+Mailing lists for discussion, or mailing lists to contact ?
+
+Ie, do we expect discussion of the teams to take place here, or to use
+it as a big alias ?
+
+If we expect discussion to happen, who will take care of subscription,
+will this be &quot;free for all&quot; or not ?
+
+How do we take care of subgroups ( ie the master/apprentice case that
+you proposed ), does it map to the ml subscription or not ?
+
+I would recommend a alias <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">example-team at mageia.org</A> to be used, so we can
+contact the team ( maybe also example-team-leaders@ ), and only for
+this, and have mailling list based on task, or group of team ( ie, -dev
+would go for packagers and developpers , etc ). Or even something else
+than a ml for discussion, after all.
+
+And as a sysadmin of the project, I would also like to remind that I
+will maybe propose to change ml naming ( because the mageia- prefix
+should imho be removed ) and location ( ie, use ml.mageia.org domain, as
+this would prevent clash in the future for various aliases ) and
+software (ie something else than mailman, like sympa ) in a near future.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+Quote: Michael Scherer wrote on Tue, 05 October 2010 18:55
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I said on irc, I kinda dislike calling a group &quot;master&quot; for
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers. We are trying to reduce the gap between developers and
+</I>&gt;<i> users,
+</I>&gt;<i> and as a developer, I am really bothered by such appellation because I
+</I>&gt;<i> feel it put too much distance between me and non developers, and I
+</I>&gt;<i> think
+</I>&gt;<i> we try to avoid that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> More ever, some people think &quot;I am not in the master group, this name
+</I>&gt;<i> sound made for important people so I cannot do anything&quot;, and do not
+</I>&gt;<i> feel empowered.
+</I>
+I agree an the bad choice of the word master is probably what triggered my
+earlier negative reply.
+
+Why not just use:
+packager (for everyone who is experienced/trained)
+mentor packager (for those mentoring apprentices)
+apprentice packager (for those still being trained by the mentors)
+
+There is no need to give an experienced packager a pompous title.
+In FOSS what counts is the work done, not the title.
+
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+<PRE>&quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-05
+&gt;<i> Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of
+</I>&gt;<i> view): * &quot;Apprentices&quot; (people being mentored into the team - someone
+</I>&gt;<i> suggested &quot;petit scarab&#233;e&quot; as a label but...)
+</I>&gt;<i> * and &quot;Masters&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for
+</I>&gt;<i> decisions or leader election) and full rights on the infrastructure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Apprentices have no voice yet and less rights on infrastructure,
+</I>&gt;<i> provided they are being mentored. It's then up to Masters to decide if
+</I>&gt;<i> an Apprentice makes it to Master or not. That's the reality behind the
+</I>&gt;<i> mentoring process.
+</I>
+In technical things I support two or more levels. There's much to learn for
+little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for the
+newcommers.
+As you describe it, there will be a political division in oldtimers with the
+power to vote and newcommers without it as well. And this I can't support.
+This sounds too much like a group of oldtimers hanging on to their power (even
+if it is not, and I really do believe in you trying to be as democratic as
+possible).
+
+Please don't initiate any kind of caste-system, to be as open as possible we
+do need a hirarchie as flat as possible.
+
+Oliver
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+&gt;<i> If that's how it is intended, then that's fine by me, my concern was
+</I>&gt;<i> primarily that the structures described might hinder occasional
+</I>&gt;<i> spontaneous additional volunteer work in other teams/tasks than the
+</I>&gt;<i> one, that someone enrolled in, without having to first enroll in other
+</I>&gt;<i> teams.
+</I>
+We don't want to hinder spontaneous contributions, but still, there is
+a balance to find to control/guide what goes in and how. Hence some
+structure to validate and committed mastering/mentoring roles in
+teams.
+
+That does not prevent listening, collecting and taking into account
+feedback, contributions, opinions from everyone. But those who commit
+to a given team work and processes get to organize and ponder all this
+to fit in the whole project.
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 05 October 2010 03:36:42 Hoyt Duff wrote:
+&gt;<i> As a US Enlgish speaker, I also wrote for the UK-based
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux Format magazine. There are differences in US and UK English, but
+</I>&gt;<i> none so severe that meaning is lost. Many idioms are shared or at
+</I>&gt;<i> least understandable.
+</I>With you so far
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I appreciate the efforts of non-native English speakers to converse in
+</I>&gt;<i> English, and even in those instances where they are speaking only a
+</I>&gt;<i> bare approximation of English, I am still able to understand them.
+</I>I will forego the temptation here to make a joke at your expense:-)
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I see no need for a GB-only enclave and believe it would only serve to
+</I>&gt;<i> isolate them from the larger community. OTOH, where a Linux-oriented
+</I>&gt;<i> community exists where many do not speake English in any manner, a
+</I>&gt;<i> local-language forun serves to include them in the larger community
+</I>&gt;<i> where the lingua-franca is English.
+</I>I doubt if many non-native speakers of English (any variety) would be
+sensitive to the nuances of meaning in &quot;GB-only enclave&quot;. It could even be
+that the phrase is completely neutral in US English. I hope so, because then
+I can ignore the imagined barb.
+
+But I think it is worth pointing out that there is a world of difference
+between &quot;GB English&quot; and &quot;en_GB&quot;. One of them can, if required, carry
+political overtones; the other cannot. That is the one I am intersted in.
+
+If the only consideration for the Mageia community is communication then I
+will stand beside you and support everything you have said about the
+usefulness of International English as a medium for sharing thoughts and
+ideas about the distribution and its contents. But stop for a moment and
+consider if this rationale can also be applied to the results of our
+deliberations; the Mageia distribution and its applications.
+
+This is something much more personal as it affects our daily interaction with
+our computers and programs. That is why we have en_US and en_GB, en_IE, en_AU
+and all of the other variants. It is not just to accommodate date displays,
+though that is important enough, nor just to handle measurement units. It
+allows us to select the correct dictionaries to check spelling and provides a
+framework in which to make our programs fit better with our cultuural
+identities.
+
+So do I think it is wrong to have a place to hang out with &quot;people like me&quot;?
+Of course not. Where else would I go to sound out opinion or exchange views
+on such culturally important computer developments as cricket scorecard data
+capture and display programs?
+
+Richard
+
+
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+<LI><A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<LI><A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002219.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002198.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
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+<LI><A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002196.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
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+<I>Ma&#226;t
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+<LI><A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
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+<LI><A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
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+<I>Tux99
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+<LI><A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
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+</A><A NAME="2225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="2199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002214.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
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+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002196.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002198.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="2199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002214.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002219.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:16 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <title>The Mageia-discuss 5 October 2010 Archive by subject</title>
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+ <a name="start"></A>
+ <h1>5 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 00:38:56 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 50<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002198.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2198">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002202.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2202">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002203.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2203">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002204.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2204">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002205.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2205">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002206.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2206">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002208.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2208">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002209.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2209">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002210.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2210">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002211.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2211">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002217.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2217">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002196.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2196">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002199.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia en Enli2010
+</A><A NAME="2199">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002184.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2184">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002212.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2212">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ma&#226;t
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002216.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2216">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002222.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2222">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002223.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2223">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002227.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2227">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002200.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2200">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002213.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2213">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adjamilton Medeiros de Almeida J&#250;nior
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002214.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2214">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Anne nicolas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002219.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2219">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>DjeZAeL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002197.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2197">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002207.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2207">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:16 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>5 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 00:38:56 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Tue Oct 5 23:11:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 50<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01286231936- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002179.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2179">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286231936-01286291006- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002215.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2215">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286231936-01286291006-01286293726- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002218.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2218">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286231936-01286291006-01286293726-01286295023- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002220.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2220">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286231936-01286291006-01286293726-01286295023-01286295173- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002221.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2221">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01286231936-01286291006-01286297739- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002224.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2224">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286231936-01286291006-01286297739-01286298748- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002225.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2225">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--2 01286231936-01286291006-01286304136- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002226.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2226">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286235370- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002180.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2180">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Benoit Audouard
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286235370-01286262168- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002193.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mirror infrastructure setup
+</A><A NAME="2193">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier Thauvin
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286236406- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002181.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2181">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286236406-01286242729- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002189.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2189">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<!--1 01286236406-01286246937- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002192.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2192">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+<!--0 01286238584- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002182.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2182">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01286238584-01286238967- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002183.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2183">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286238584-01286238967-01286239691- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002185.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2185">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01286238584-01286238967-01286240544- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002186.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2186">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<!--2 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002187.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2187">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olav Dahlum
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002188.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2188">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287-01286244444- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002190.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2190">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287-01286244444-01286246202- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002191.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2191">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Hoyt Duff
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287-01286244444-01286246202-01286313067- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002228.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2228">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Richard
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01286238584-01286238967-01286240776-01286241287-01286244444-01286262187- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002194.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2194">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--1 01286238584-01286267893- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002195.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2195">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01286238584-01286267893-01286283847- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002201.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2201">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Christopher Swift
+</I>
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+<PRE>Andr&#233; Machado wrote on 10/02/2010 06:24 PM:
+&gt;<i> can improvise. We can do like Corel DRAW! X4 , that has a impact name
+</I>&gt;<i> and is the 14th version (X4 = X + 4 and X is 10 in Roman numerals).
+</I>
+No Roman numerals. That's a horrible way to number things.
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My feeling is that the year based numbering is most clearest and
+</I>&gt;<i> actually was a good change from Mandriva some years ago.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yea, I like the way it was done with Mandriva.
+
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 18:55, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 05 octobre 2010 &#224; 17:03 +0200, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> I also think we should use the cooker practices and policy. If we intend
+</I>&gt;<i> to fork mandriva, we should start at this point. And once we have a
+</I>&gt;<i> release, then we can discuss to change the policy.
+</I>
+Makes sense but I would suggest you (whole team) already take into
+account questions/improvement suggestions while this first release
+(not to apply them at once, but to answer and prepare post-release
+work and discussions about them).
+
+I'm sure we all know the two imperatives here:
+ - setting up the build system and pushing the first release for the 3
+coming months; using the stable existing policies of Cooker;
+ - advocate, debate, discuss, develop and improve policies.
+
+(and, actually, that's valid for almost all other teams as well -
+sometimes it may be worse, when there's just no policy yet)
+
+&gt;<i> In the case of packagers, we still need to discuss ACLs on packages.
+</I>&gt;<i> Even at mandriva, who has the most open policy I have seen in term of
+</I>&gt;<i> commit rights ( when compared to Ubuntu, Gentoo, Fedora and debian ), we
+</I>&gt;<i> had ACLs on some packages ( kernel, glibc, etc ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So who decide the acl ? The board, the team, a technical comitee ?
+</I>
+For this kind of discussion/decision, the rule is the same (be it for
+packagers or others):
+ - team discusses; and either:
+ - reaches an agreement, then inform the Council &amp; Board, then apply;
+ - can't reach such an agreement, then escalates the issue to
+Council, then Board, who will listen, ponder, decide (or return the
+discussion to the team).
+
+Here, provided the Council is not yet constituted, the Board will
+directly handle here.
+
+&gt;<i> As I said on irc, I kinda dislike calling a group &quot;master&quot; for
+</I>&gt;<i> packagers. We are trying to reduce the gap between developers and users,
+</I>&gt;<i> and as a developer, I am really bothered by such appellation because I
+</I>&gt;<i> feel it put too much distance between me and non developers, and I think
+</I>&gt;<i> we try to avoid that.
+</I>
+I believe we all understand the idea behind it but the wording does
+not match everyone's picture.
+
+It's about having a committed/granted role within the team; or not.
+Indeed, there is a difference between someone who has spent some time
+in a team, has been recognized by her peers, gets an advanced commit
+right for some specific packages, has a say some team-specific
+policies, and someone who has not. And there are degrees.
+
+There's a difference, but that doesn't make a distance. Here, it's a
+matter of skills, commitment recognized and approved by peers. We have
+to materialize this with roles, name these roles and explain why/how
+they interact.
+
+All the rest is a matter of how you and non-developers interact; can
+be distant, or not.
+
+Please note that it's not a master/slave or dictator/executant
+relationship. It's about, as Ahmad said, about experience within the
+team, regarding policies, processes; and about acquiring this
+experience. See <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprenticeship">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apprenticeship</A> somehow.
+
+It could be, indeed, jedi/padawan, &quot;the great beatle&quot;/&quot;young
+grasshopper&quot;, whatever. We can find a better naming scheme here too
+(of course, it's open); but I'd rather use that scheme now and
+demonstrate within the cominig months what it is about (and improve it
+with time) instead of spending yet another 60-posts exchange to nail
+one down.
+
+(and, it's not just about packagers; it's a generic term to find for
+all teams - in that there are three roles: passers-by/followers,
+apprentices and masters - will be too in developers, web,
+communication, marketing, design, QA, doc, users teams)
+
+Again, Ahmad nailed it down very well. It's not about building some
+&quot;old timers&quot; clique that would oppose new comers. It's about making a
+consistent team that manages consistent processes and evolves in a
+concerted way, with everyone, but more importantly with its own
+members. And the mentoring process is something that should be done in
+a matter of 1, 2, 3 months at most. Maybe more, maybe less, depends on
+the team. There's no numerus clausus, provided there are enough
+mentors.
+
+That, too, doesn't prevent other people to contribute within the team
+(how would one become an apprentice otherwise?).
+
+And that too, doesn't make it unreachable to anyone who wants to go
+there; quite the contrary, that's why we insist on this mentoring
+process being defined by/for each team. It's a matter of goodwill,
+patience, work and fun.
+
+&gt;<i> More ever, some people think &quot;I am not in the master group, this name
+</I>&gt;<i> sound made for important people so I cannot do anything&quot;, and do not
+</I>&gt;<i> feel empowered.
+</I>
+A &quot;master&quot; is not important but in what she masters. Through my time
+in schools and universities, most doctors and masters I have met were
+neither important or distant in that they didn't take some vain and
+inappropriate pride in their title. They were (are) true masters in
+many ways still.
+
+Attitude, kindness speak way more than a title.
+
+&gt;<i> So as we do not want to appear to have copied on Ubuntu ( as this would
+</I>&gt;<i> be quite the contrary regarding the packaging community ), I think the
+</I>&gt;<i> name could be changed to a more factual and a less connoted name.
+</I>
+That's a counter argument as well. Because they use the word &quot;master&quot;?
+Wait then, there are a lot of other words they use over there. So
+what? They may even have had good ideas in other areas; what should
+prevent us from inspiring/taking from others' good ideas? (be it
+Ubuntu or anyone else)
+
+&gt;<i> But given the size of the packaging volunteers group compared to the
+</I>&gt;<i> current group able to mentor ( ie current cooker packagers who
+</I>&gt;<i> volunteered ), I expect the backlog of people who want to become
+</I>&gt;<i> packager to be huge for a long time, which itself bring some interesting
+</I>&gt;<i> issues.
+</I>
+Indeed. That's tricky. What's crucial is to face this with calm and
+determination to find a common working ground.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Oh and we ought to setup mailing-lists for each team shortly.
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> If we expect discussion to happen, who will take care of subscription,
+</I>&gt;<i> will this be &quot;free for all&quot; or not ?
+</I>
+Free for all.
+
+&gt;<i> How do we take care of subgroups ( ie the master/apprentice case that
+</I>&gt;<i> you proposed ), does it map to the ml subscription or not ?
+</I>
+Everyone subscribed can post to the list.
+
+&gt;<i> I would recommend a alias <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">example-team at mageia.org</A> to be used, so we can
+</I>&gt;<i> contact the team ( maybe also example-team-leaders@ ), and only for
+</I>&gt;<i> this, and have mailling list based on task, or group of team ( ie, -dev
+</I>&gt;<i> would go for packagers and developpers , etc ). Or even something else
+</I>&gt;<i> than a ml for discussion, after all.
+</I>
+Mailing-list subscription should be free. We can expect
+followers/attendees, &quot;apprentices&quot; and &quot;masters&quot; to manage their ml
+subscription by themselves here.
+
+Hence, provided there is a welcome page for the team explaining how to
+join the list, or contacting briefly some people in the team (through
+IRC, mail or a drink), I don't see the point to have a
+contact-specific ml or alias.
+
+&gt;<i> And as a sysadmin of the project, I would also like to remind that I
+</I>&gt;<i> will maybe propose to change ml naming ( because the mageia- prefix
+</I>&gt;<i> should imho be removed ) and location ( ie, use ml.mageia.org domain, as
+</I>&gt;<i> this would prevent clash in the future for various aliases ) and
+</I>&gt;<i> software (ie something else than mailman, like sympa ) in a near future.
+</I>
+Yep. That's a whole other topic though.
+
+
+Thanks for reading, thanks a lot for stating if you fear/wonder if you
+misunderstand something, we are in a building process here and your
+feedback is valuable in that it helps the whole thing to be better
+designed and tried.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 20:42, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-05
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Apprentices have no voice yet and less rights on infrastructure,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> provided they are being mentored. It's then up to Masters to decide if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an Apprentice makes it to Master or not. That's the reality behind the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mentoring process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In technical things I support two or more levels. There's much to learn for
+</I>&gt;<i> little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for the
+</I>&gt;<i> newcommers.
+</I>&gt;<i> As you describe it, there will be a political division in oldtimers with the
+</I>&gt;<i> power to vote and newcommers without it as well. And this I can't support.
+</I>&gt;<i> This sounds too much like a group of oldtimers hanging on to their power (even
+</I>&gt;<i> if it is not, and I really do believe in you trying to be as democratic as
+</I>&gt;<i> possible).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't initiate any kind of caste-system, to be as open as possible we
+</I>&gt;<i> do need a hirarchie as flat as possible.
+</I>
+I understand your fear and maybe words were not the right ones or it
+was not clearly explained enough.
+
+It's not a caste. It's encouraged that team do listen to everyone
+involved with them, no matter who (and people may be involved in
+several teams, indeed).
+
+But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a
+decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were
+recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process.
+
+Which process is not an exclusive one (keep &quot;bad&quot; newcomers out), but
+an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on
+the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters'
+and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project,
+only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team
+members.
+
+Does this answer somehow your point or not?
+
+Cheers,
+
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+Hello!
+
+
+At present, if someone want to translate the pages or documents into his or her language, he or she must send the translation to administrators, and the administrators will put the translation on the site. If the translation should be improved, the translator have to send the improved translation to administrators again. Administrators are not able to read many languages, so they have to spend much energy and time on edit work of pages and documents with contacting the translator. Therefore, translation work often is inefficient.
+
+
+I think the site can use a mode as Wikipedia. In Wikipedia, I created a Chinese page for Magie. Every time I read it, I have some new ideas to improve it, just modifying one word or two words. So, the page will be better and better. If every time modifying one or two words should be done by administrators, the translation work will be inefficient.
+
+
+Except the original text of English or French, can other languages translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia? I am sure that the mode will be very efficient.
+
+
+Best regards,
+Jiang Yike
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+&gt;<i> On Tue, 5 Oct 2010, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Teams are made of at least two sub-groups (from a credentials point of view):
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* &quot;Apprentices&quot; (people being mentored into the team - someone
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> suggested &quot;petit scarab&#233;e&quot; as a label but...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;* and &quot;Masters&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain, that sound like a very rigid regimented structure that I fear
+</I>&gt;<i> will cause &quot;i'm better than you&quot; kind of feelings, etc.
+</I>
+I understand it could be felt/seen like that, but that's not at all
+the point and it shouldn't be understood like that. I don't think you
+can find a role name, anyway, that wouldn't be used as vanity title -
+vanity is not in the title, it's in the holder.
+
+&gt;<i> I don't see the point in strictly classifying people in either masters
+</I>&gt;<i> or slaves (sorry, freudian slip, i meant apprentices) because skill
+</I>&gt;<i> levels are a lot more varied and fluid than just two classes.
+</I>
+It's not about people skills per se, but about their introduction
+within the team and its processes. You wouldn't give a full write
+access to some code repository without knowing enough about
+committer's capability and code guide understanding? It's not about
+excluding, it's about proper inclusion (being mentored by someone
+experienced in the team, knowing how the whole thing works, and
+getting in).
+
+That doesn't prevent a new apprentice to demonstrate she already
+masters the whole thing and then, great.
+
+&gt;<i> Of course there will be mentors and mentored but there is no need to
+</I>&gt;<i> create a rigid two class structure with priviledges for the master
+</I>&gt;<i> class.
+</I>
+It's rigid (who votes, who doesn't / who has write/production commit,
+who doesn't) in that it could be needed in last resort or for
+practical purpose at this time. And that a team leader, for instance,
+wouldn't be elected if not already recognized by her peer team members
+(hence, having done it through the mentoring program).
+
+But that wouldn't prevent the whole team to have a larger consensus
+making culture, if it can.
+
+Does that answer you?
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> Except the original text of English or French, can other languages
+</I>&gt;<i> translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia?
+</I>
+Well, this is how blogs are going to be maintained. I don't think the
+mageia.org frontpage will be further developed in the way it can be seen
+today. Before the first stable release is announce, the site will
+definitely need to be redesigned. However, in my opinion it would be
+better to leave it only in English with URLs leading to non-English
+communities.
+
+To sum up, I believe there is not need to give access to the site to
+translators.
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 00:57, Adrian Marcinkowski &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">amfidiusz at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> W dniu 2010-10-06 00:43, Jiang Yike pisze:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Except the original text of English or French, can other languages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> translation use a edit mode as Wikipedia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, this is how blogs are going to be maintained. I don't think the
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org frontpage will be further developed in the way it can be seen
+</I>&gt;<i> today. Before the first stable release is announce, the site will definitely
+</I>&gt;<i> need to be redesigned.
+</I>
+Definitely, yes.
+
+&gt;<i> However, in my opinion it would be better to leave it
+</I>&gt;<i> only in English with URLs leading to non-English communities.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To sum up, I believe there is not need to give access to the site to
+</I>&gt;<i> translators.
+</I>
+Depends. We would like the main web site to be localized in several,
+many languages (notwithstanding other web resources).
+
+There are several ways to do it: CMS, wiki, specific po file-based,
+full HTML in language trees through a SCM, etc.
+
+The main website being more in a showcase situation, we will need to
+have a reasonable control over the HTML there, in every locale. There
+is a balance to find between Web design, integrators and translators
+coordination. So it may be that a light, custom, HTML edited,
+file-based with a SCM solution would fit (every translator handling
+her own language tree, synchronizing with the pivot language -
+Blogdrake people experienced that in the past, I already posted
+something about that in a earlier message; it has drawbacks,
+advantages and can be improved).
+
+Other parts of the Web site will definitely use something else
+(localized forums, wikis, some specific web apps, hence using language
+files). Again, nothing decided yet.
+
+I hope we can start working on this about next week (going through the
+Web team, coordinating with comm' and marketing teams).
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 16:24, Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le 05/10/2010 02:39, Frederic Janssens a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; communication structure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; So, in the hope that the discussion can become somewhat more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; constructive that way, could you describe that structure as you see it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; now ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for the reply
+</I>
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Triage team (as it used to be in Mandriva universe) belongs to
+</I>&gt;<i> bugtracker domain though i consider it would be very cool to have a
+</I>&gt;<i> (hopefully big) number of them in forum support team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yes, I think their role should be better advertised, and coupled to support.
+
+
+&gt;<i> -- Support team as i imagine it is compound of rather experienced users
+</I>&gt;<i> (and hopefully also skilled experts) willing to guide less experienced
+</I>&gt;<i> users and new comers. Ideally this team should be rather large to give
+</I>&gt;<i> users a feeling of being quickly and well taken care of.
+</I>&gt;<i> The members of this team will offer the better way for Mageia to welcome
+</I>&gt;<i> users and give a positive support experience. This task can be very time
+</I>&gt;<i> consuming so the more skilled they will be and the more their number
+</I>&gt;<i> will be,
+</I>
+
+I think it would be best to have a gradation of skills, with an easy access
+to
+less specialised helper roles.
+The nearest thing I know to what I envision is the karma/moderation model of
+
+<A HREF="http://slashdot.org/">http://slashdot.org/</A> . But *phpBB3* does not seem support such sorts of
+features.
+I am still trying to understand it's structure to see if it is reasonable to
+try to add them.
+
+the more easy to endure will be the task and the more happy
+&gt;<i> will be Mageia end users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>This team work and the quality of packagers work (iow the distro) imho
+&gt;<i> will be the best assets of Mageia to conquer the world :o) (i'm
+</I>&gt;<i> borrowing Goom's &quot;clown nose&quot;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, definitly. I think we must try to find ways/structures that help make
+</I>these tasks enjoyable. The guiding principle beeing : most people enjoy
+beeing helpfull
+within their abilities when they feel like it. So we have to give them (not
+only those formally member of the team) the tools and permissions adapted to
+their level of competence.
+
+I mostly agree with all you wrote, but am too tired to do further comments
+at this moment.
+Thanks
+
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+<PRE>Oct 6, 2010 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+
+&gt;<i>Depends. We would like the main web site to be localized in several,
+</I>&gt;<i>many languages (notwithstanding other web resources).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>There are several ways to do it: CMS, wiki, specific po file-based,
+</I>&gt;<i>full HTML in language trees through a SCM, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>The main website being more in a showcase situation, we will need to
+</I>&gt;<i>have a reasonable control over the HTML there, in every locale. There
+</I>&gt;<i>is a balance to find between Web design, integrators and translators
+</I>&gt;<i>coordination. So it may be that a light, custom, HTML edited,
+</I>&gt;<i>file-based with a SCM solution would fit (every translator handling
+</I>&gt;<i>her own language tree, synchronizing with the pivot language -
+</I>&gt;<i>Blogdrake people experienced that in the past, I already posted
+</I>&gt;<i>something about that in a earlier message; it has drawbacks,
+</I>&gt;<i>advantages and can be improved).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Other parts of the Web site will definitely use something else
+</I>&gt;<i>(localized forums, wikis, some specific web apps, hence using language
+</I>&gt;<i>files). Again, nothing decided yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>I hope we can start working on this about next week (going through the
+</I>&gt;<i>Web team, coordinating with comm' and marketing teams).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Romain
+</I>
+
+
+Well, I see. Things are not ready at present.
+CMS (for official contents) + Wiki (for multilingual contents) is a good mode. Different work has different permissions.
+Anyway, tt's a top priority to release a preview or beta version of Mageia.:)
+Take care!
+Yike
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+<PRE>Please first excuse my english level (and sometimes usage of automatic
+translation)
+I have some reflexions and questions i think it could be interesting to
+share here :
+
+Doc Team.
+
+_ base : that the documentary team has previously conducted
+_ base : operation for common tools for this job
+
+_ objective : make participation easy
+_ objective : produce quality docs for readers
+
+_ question : could we mix the usage of wiki and edition ? ;-)
+_ proposition : reserve wiki for contributors works, simply by have a large
+banner at the top of wiki welcome page (docs.mageia.org ? or whereever).
+Banner invite to download latest doc compil.
+
+_ effect : no invitation to read wiki. Wiki is ever a working place (as
+cauldron is dev sys)
+_ effect : Readers and users have ever a validated and finalised
+documentation
+_ effect : preserve 'works-ever' wiki and prevent any 'never-finished'
+impression for docs readers
+_ effect : make people want to participate by producing a good doc final
+quality
+
+No revolution, no new tool, no great idea (sorry :p), just a little orga
+adjusment to change perception of readers on our doc.
+Additonnals : produce in well know format, standard, with easy scanning and
+indexing for desktop tools (as strigi / nepomuk)
+
+Resume in two sentences :
+Wiki is for workers. Final doc is for readers, and could include common
+texts (as releases notes, issues and wiki doc)
+Mix wiki usage for edition objective to have separation between places :
+works and reads.
+
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+<PRE>Op zondag 03 oktober 2010 06:25:58 schreef Tux99:
+&gt;<i> I have set up a test web forum with bidirectional gateway to the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia mailing lists.
+</I>&gt;<i> I did this primarily to test the forum&lt;&gt;ML gateway functionality
+</I>&gt;<i> with the hope that it will be also implemented in the future
+</I>&gt;<i> official Mageia forum.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This forum ML gateway is in no way meant to preempt or compete with
+</I>&gt;<i> the future official forum, on the contrary once the official forum is
+</I>&gt;<i> up and running (hopefully with equivalent functionality), I expect
+</I>&gt;<i> to shutdown this test forum again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forum has already been filling up with posts since Friday
+</I>&gt;<i> afternoon, and it also creates automatically a forum user for every
+</I>&gt;<i> unique email address of senders of mailing list posts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Therefore if you have posted on the mailing lists in the past couple
+</I>&gt;<i> of days, you will find that you already have a forum userid.
+</I>&gt;<i> If you want to make use of it, go to the forum login page, enter
+</I>&gt;<i> your email address (the same one you use for the mailing lists!),
+</I>&gt;<i> click on &quot;forgot password&quot; and wait to receive an email for the
+</I>&gt;<i> password reset procedure.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once you have your password you can login and post messages in the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing list forums, which then will also be posted to the mailing
+</I>&gt;<i> lists.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you only want to use the forum to read the mailing list posts,
+</I>&gt;<i> then of course you don't need to register/login at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please notice that the FIRST post for each user from the forum to the
+</I>&gt;<i> mailing lists takes about 5 minutes to get through, this is because
+</I>&gt;<i> the Mageia mailing lists have grey-listing active to avoid spam.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you don't already have an automatically added userid on the forum,
+</I>&gt;<i> then you can register as new user, but please make sure that you use
+</I>&gt;<i> the SAME EMAIL ADDRESS as you used to subscribe to the mailing lists,
+</I>&gt;<i> otherwise your posts to the mailing list will need to be manually
+</I>&gt;<i> approved by the Mageia mailing list admins, which means they will
+</I>&gt;<i> be delayed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also to avoid spammers, every new user registration on the forum
+</I>&gt;<i> requires moderator (that would be me :) approval, so it can take
+</I>&gt;<i> up to 24 hours (but usually much less).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here is the direct link to the forum members pages, look here to
+</I>&gt;<i> see if you already have a userid:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=finduser&amp;usr_login=&amp;u">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/index.php?t=finduser&amp;usr_login=&amp;u</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> s=2&amp;btn_submit=Find
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The forum main page is here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/">http://mageia.linuxtech.net/forum/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Myself and a few others have been testing the forum in the last few
+</I>&gt;<i> days, so I can say it's stable and works well, but of course it hasn't
+</I>&gt;<i> been tested under heavy load yet, so please be gentle... :)
+</I>&gt;<i> (this forum is running on a relatively low power rented virtual server
+</I>&gt;<i> so don't expect great performance under heavy load)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you have any problems with the forum itself, please post them in
+</I>&gt;<i> the dedicated sub-forum called &quot;Forum discussion&quot;, don't post them
+</I>&gt;<i> here on the Mageia ML as it would be off topic.
+</I>&gt;<i> This sub-forum is obviously not replicated on any Mageia mailing list.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope it will be useful for those of us who prefer a web forum rather
+</I>&gt;<i> than mailing lists, but still want to partecipate in the mailing list
+</I>&gt;<i> discussions!
+</I>
+
+i notice that in 2010.1 in Kmail, this whole thread is grouped for date
+&quot;Unknown&quot; which is listed above &quot;Today&quot;.
+
+There is definately a date header, that doesn't seem to be the problem. It
+would be interesting to find out what is different between this and the other
+threads?
+
+something about dates in the future when delivered? or something?
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+ <B>yvan munoz</B>
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+<PRE>Another tool for the same objective (and more) :
+
+<A HREF="http://shapado.com">http://shapado.com</A>
+licence : Affero GPL v3 :)
+
+Let you build your own opinion (no influence over what I think, whatever).
+Thank you for considering the use of this software.
+
+Thanks,
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+<PRE>&quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-06
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 20:42, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; In technical things I support two or more levels. There's much to learn
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the newcommers.
+</I>&gt;<i> But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a
+</I>&gt;<i> decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were
+</I>&gt;<i> recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Which process is not an exclusive one (keep &quot;bad&quot; newcomers out), but
+</I>&gt;<i> an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on
+</I>&gt;<i> the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters'
+</I>&gt;<i> and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project,
+</I>&gt;<i> only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team
+</I>&gt;<i> members.
+</I>As said before. There is no problem with having &quot;masters&quot; and &quot;padawans&quot; (I
+would prefer that term to apprentice :D ) when it comestotechnical decisions.
+I hope that all (orat least most) people involvedin mageia will let the people
+with the technical knowledge do the technical decisions (althoug some
+discussions on the mls do read different).
+I do understand and support the need for reviewing the work ofnew packagers,
+correcting it and teaching those new packagers how to build better packages
+but that is - as I said - a technical decision, in which nothing at all can be
+said against a master-padawan-thing. Even if those new packagers have
+builtrpms for years (because I have seen quite some rpms fromlocal communities
+whose spec files made me shudder).
+But I do believe, when it comes to policy decisions (like electing board
+members and so on) there should not be those who have a vote and those
+whodoesn't. Certainly there must be some kind of differentiation between active
+community members and passers-by who just want to &quot;troll vote&quot;. But as you
+described it initially, a majority of the active community members (like those
+poor folks who did community work for years now in their local communities)
+would be excluded from deciding the directionthe community as a whole does
+take.
+
+Oliver
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 6 October 2010 08:58, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-06
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 20:42, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; In technical things I support two or more levels. There's much to learn
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; for little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; the newcommers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Which process is not an exclusive one (keep &quot;bad&quot; newcomers out), but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters'
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> members.
+</I>&gt;<i> As said before. There is no problem with having &quot;masters&quot; and &quot;padawans&quot; (I
+</I>&gt;<i> would prefer that term to apprentice :D ) when it comestotechnical decisions.
+</I>&gt;<i> I hope that all (orat least most) people involvedin mageia will let the people
+</I>&gt;<i> with the technical knowledge do the technical decisions (althoug some
+</I>&gt;<i> discussions on the mls do read different).
+</I>&gt;<i> I do understand and support the need for reviewing the work ofnew packagers,
+</I>&gt;<i> correcting it and teaching those new packagers how to build better packages
+</I>&gt;<i> but that is - as I said - a technical decision, in which nothing at all can be
+</I>&gt;<i> said against a master-padawan-thing. Even if those new packagers have
+</I>&gt;<i> builtrpms for years (because I have seen quite some rpms fromlocal communities
+</I>&gt;<i> whose spec files made me shudder).
+</I>&gt;<i> But I do believe, when it comes to policy decisions (like electing board
+</I>&gt;<i> members and so on) there should not be those who have a vote and those
+</I>&gt;<i> whodoesn't. Certainly there must be some kind of differentiation between active
+</I>&gt;<i> community members and passers-by who just want to &quot;troll vote&quot;. But as you
+</I>&gt;<i> described it initially, a majority of the active community members (like those
+</I>&gt;<i> poor folks who did community work for years now in their local communities)
+</I>&gt;<i> would be excluded from deciding the directionthe community as a whole does
+</I>&gt;<i> take.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people
+will be in charge of decision making forever.
+
+If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be
+replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new
+packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old
+packager.
+
+Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts
+working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence.
+(trust is gained not given, right?).
+
+(For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you,
+doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get
+older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take
+some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence
+before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy
+until a new new guy joins.).
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+ <B>Ahmad Samir</B>
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+<PRE>On 6 October 2010 09:19, Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 6 October 2010 08:58, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Romain d'Alverny&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-06
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 20:42, Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; In technical things I support two or more levels. There's much to learn
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; for little community packagers as myself as there is in any field for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; the newcommers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> But in last resort, not only involved, but committed people get a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> decisive voice. In teams, those committed people are those who were
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> recognized as such by their peers, through the mentoring process.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Which process is not an exclusive one (keep &quot;bad&quot; newcomers out), but
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> an inclusive one (welcome and train them before they get full hands on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the infrastructure). And that, again, wouldn't prevent non-'masters'
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and 'non-apprentices' to provide/contribute something to the project,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> only should it be reviewed and committed to the project by those team
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> members.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As said before. There is no problem with having &quot;masters&quot; and &quot;padawans&quot; (I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would prefer that term to apprentice :D ) when it comestotechnical decisions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I hope that all (orat least most) people involvedin mageia will let the people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> with the technical knowledge do the technical decisions (althoug some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> discussions on the mls do read different).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I do understand and support the need for reviewing the work ofnew packagers,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> correcting it and teaching those new packagers how to build better packages
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> but that is - as I said - a technical decision, in which nothing at all can be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> said against a master-padawan-thing. Even if those new packagers have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> builtrpms for years (because I have seen quite some rpms fromlocal communities
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whose spec files made me shudder).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But I do believe, when it comes to policy decisions (like electing board
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> members and so on) there should not be those who have a vote and those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whodoesn't. Certainly there must be some kind of differentiation between active
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> community members and passers-by who just want to &quot;troll vote&quot;. But as you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> described it initially, a majority of the active community members (like those
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> poor folks who did community work for years now in their local communities)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> would be excluded from deciding the directionthe community as a whole does
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> take.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people
+</I>&gt;<i> will be in charge of decision making forever.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be
+</I>&gt;<i> replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new
+</I>&gt;<i> packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old
+</I>&gt;<i> packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts
+</I>&gt;<i> working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence.
+</I>&gt;<i> (trust is gained not given, right?).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you,
+</I>&gt;<i> doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get
+</I>&gt;<i> older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take
+</I>&gt;<i> some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence
+</I>&gt;<i> before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy
+</I>&gt;<i> until a new new guy joins.).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+P.S. I forgot to say I like the term &quot;padawans&quot; too.
+
+--
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+<PRE>Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-06
+&gt;<i> &gt; I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; will be in charge of decision making forever.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; packager.
+</I>
+That is o.k., you (or it's better tosay we) just have tomake sure, there are
+nounneccessary obstacles fora padawan tobecome a master.
+I wasjust concerned by Romains words in his original posting
+&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; decisions or leader election)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Apprentices have no voice yet
+</I>That sounded a lotlike creating two castes, one with power, one without. But
+as he wrote later, it was just a matter of putting it in the wrong words.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (trust is gained not given, right?).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; (For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; until a new new guy joins.).
+</I>That's logical and as I wrote, I have no problemat all with being tutored by
+some experienced packager who will be able to teach me many things I don't
+know yet.
+After all &quot;you have much to learn, young padawan&quot;.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> P.S. I forgot to say I like the term &quot;padawans&quot; too.
+</I>:<i>)
+</I>
+Oliver
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 06 octobre 2010 &#224; 08:40 +0200, yvan munoz a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Another tool for the same objective (and more) :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://shapado.com">http://shapado.com</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> licence : Affero GPL v3 :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Let you build your own opinion (no influence over what I think,
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever).
+</I>&gt;<i> Thank you for considering the use of this software.
+</I>
+While shapado is interesting ( but not packaged at this moment ), I fail
+to see how it a tool for list to web forum gateway.
+
+There was some discussions among forum moderators at mandriva about
+using a better tools for support questions, and I think that shapado or
+similar software could be used for that.
+But again, not now.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While shapado is interesting ( but not packaged at this moment ), I fail
+</I>&gt;<i> to see how it a tool for list to web forum gateway.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Me too. Simply i dont want to start another discuss, just pass link here,
+where many people seems to be attentive to this type of tools in general
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There was some discussions among forum moderators at mandriva about
+</I>&gt;<i> using a better tools for support questions, and I think that shapado or
+</I>&gt;<i> similar software could be used for that.
+</I>&gt;<i> But again, not now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Michael Scherer
+&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Never mind. I think &quot;Darwin Law&quot; is good for software too :) If shapado or
+similar will be used, and if it will be used more than others, then ... :)
+
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+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i notice that in 2010.1 in Kmail, this whole thread is grouped for date
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Unknown&quot; which is listed above &quot;Today&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is definately a date header, that doesn't seem to be the problem. It
+</I>&gt;<i> would be interesting to find out what is different between this and the
+</I>&gt;<i> other
+</I>&gt;<i> threads?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> something about dates in the future when delivered? or something?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Using gmail in 2010.1 everything seems normal.
+But somebody reported the same sort of problem for this thread, with a
+message date of 21-10-2010.
+
+
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+I'd like to present to you some logos I made for mageia.
+
+For their story:
+First, I designed a shape around the letter &quot;m&quot; to be easily and quickly
+identifiable.
+After that, the idea has been to choose the colors: Orange and blue
+the next step has been to find a clear, light and modern font: Greyscale
+Basic (<A HREF="http://www.greyscale.net/basic/">http://www.greyscale.net/basic/</A>)
+Finally, I've played with 2 ideas:
+Idea 1- The letter and a symbol (in memory of the past): a star, a square
+and a circle with some light effects in cartoon style.
+- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+
+Idea 2- The letter like a button with the same light effects plus a version
+in plain color.
+- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+- <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+
+Hope you will appreciate them!
+
+To introduce myself, I make designs for the OpenOffice.org projects since
+2004.
+Have a look here: <A HREF="http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/">http://mooouette.tuxfamily.org/</A>
+
+Regards,
+--
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+ <B>atilla ontas</B>
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+<PRE>2010/10/6 Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Ahmad Samir &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ahmadsamir3891 at gmail.com</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-06
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I don't think it'll happen this way. It's not going to be some people
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; will be in charge of decision making forever.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; If you look at the association board itself, you'll see that it'll be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; replaced by third every year; it's built this way. So even a new
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; packager, once he proves his commitment/competence, becomes an old
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; packager.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is o.k., you (or it's better tosay we) just have tomake sure, there are
+</I>&gt;<i> nounneccessary obstacles fora padawan tobecome a master.
+</I>&gt;<i> I wasjust concerned by Romains words in his original posting
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; The idea is that Masters have voting power within the team (for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; decisions or leader election)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; [...]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Apprentices have no voice yet
+</I>&gt;<i> That sounded a lotlike creating two castes, one with power, one without. But
+</I>&gt;<i> as he wrote later, it was just a matter of putting it in the wrong words.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Note that a period of time is needed for a new guy who starts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; working/contributing in a new place to gain people's trust/confidence.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (trust is gained not given, right?).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; (For example you, in MUD, you have a packaging team; say you,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; doktor5000 and tigger-gg are the old packagers (though girls never get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; older than 30 ;)); a new guy wants to contribute, he must will take
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; some time to prove his worth / that he can be trusted / competence
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; before you give him decision-making privileges. He'll be the new guy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; until a new new guy joins.).
+</I>&gt;<i> That's logical and as I wrote, I have no problemat all with being tutored by
+</I>&gt;<i> some experienced packager who will be able to teach me many things I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> know yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> After all &quot;you have much to learn, young padawan&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> P.S. I forgot to say I like the term &quot;padawans&quot; too.
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+As you may know, i'm not an experienced packager but the only Mandriva
+Turkiye community repo packager and maintainer; i'd like to be trained
+by experienced packagers (masters) and become padawan. So i think
+masters-padawans structure is a good beginning. Also, i think masters
+should listen and try to cope with padawans opinions but at least at
+the beginning, say until the first release, masters should make
+decisions as padawans are not well know build system and deeper
+components of the distro. &quot;May the force be with you&quot; :)
+
+My 2 cents...
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+ <B>Diego Bello</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, BenBois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">benbois at ooo4kids.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>
+I really like this one!
+
+Congratulations, I can see you have talent and skills in all your proposals :)
+
+--
+Diego Bello Carre&#241;o
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+ <B>Olivier M&#233;jean</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 6 octobre 2010 15:21:12, Diego Bello a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, BenBois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">benbois at ooo4kids.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I really like this one!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Congratulations, I can see you have talent and skills in all your proposals
+</I>&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I fear this too much similar to a logo of fournitures in France :
+<A HREF="http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/">http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/</A>
+
+--
+Olivier M&#233;jean
+Pr&#233;sident de l'Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A>
+twitter : obagoom
+identi.ca : goom
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+ <B>juan acevedo</B>
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+<PRE>Hi everyone,
+
+Thanks for you work.
+My vote is for this
+
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+
+It is simple and the colors are my favorite.
+
+Good luck
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't this be the basis for including, say, a default
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dongle
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installation and a number of representative providers or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> appropriate links?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This would make the job of the maintainer of these setups
+</I>&gt;<i> quite a dedicated job. Providers come and go depending on
+</I>&gt;<i> their financial success. When they are successful, the get
+</I>&gt;<i> bought out. It would be best, in my opinion, as a FAQ or
+</I>&gt;<i> Wiki item that would somehow be available to users at the
+</I>&gt;<i> time of installation. A text file does not take a lot of
+</I>&gt;<i> space on a disc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sounds reasonable, if the basic dongle installation was
+included on the distro.
+
+Doug
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+ <B>Diego Bello</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Olivier M&#233;jean &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">omejean at yahoo.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 6 octobre 2010 15:21:12, Diego Bello a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, BenBois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">benbois at ooo4kids.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; -
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I really like this one!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Congratulations, I can see you have talent and skills in all your proposals
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;:)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I fear this too much similar to a logo of fournitures in France :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/">http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+:<i>(
+</I>I really liked it
+
+
+--
+Diego Bello Carre&#241;o
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+<PRE> Le 05/10/2010 23:06, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> That does not prevent listening, collecting and taking into account
+</I>&gt;<i> feedback, contributions, opinions from everyone. But those who commit
+</I>&gt;<i> to a given team work and processes get to organize and ponder all this
+</I>&gt;<i> to fit in the whole project.
+</I>
+For optimum performance (not to mention perfection), I think &quot;it
+suffices&quot; to establish basic rules of management, to avoid &quot;anarchy&quot; and
+&quot;a waste&quot; of time and energy.
+There is no question of hierarchy, but to accept our levels of knowledge
+and competence. So I'm just a basic user, and I simply and humbly admit
+that I hardly understand explanations of a recognized and experienced
+developer.
+If I have a question or comment, I share those with my level L, and the
+next level &quot;higher&quot; L +1. The answer is known ? Everything is OK.
+Otherwise the problem is studied by those at level L+1 and L +2. And so
+on until the response.
+That seems more than acceptable, because there is no shame in accepting
+what we are.
+
+Cordially
+Denis
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-06 10:12, doug a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 05/10/10 14:34, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't this be the basis for including, say, a default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dongle
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installation and a number of representative providers or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> appropriate links?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This would make the job of the maintainer of these setups
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quite a dedicated job. Providers come and go depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their financial success. When they are successful, the get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bought out. It would be best, in my opinion, as a FAQ or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wiki item that would somehow be available to users at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time of installation. A text file does not take a lot of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> space on a disc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds reasonable, if the basic dongle installation was included on the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+&quot;If&quot; is the key word. My last dongle was/is not recognized still. Just
+waiting to see if the next kernel update will fix this.
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>On Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:42:51 +0200
+Denis MARCOUREL &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">denis.marcourel at dr2m.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Le 05/10/2010 23:06, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That does not prevent listening, collecting and taking into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; account feedback, contributions, opinions from everyone. But
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; those who commit to a given team work and processes get to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; organize and ponder all this to fit in the whole project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For optimum performance (not to mention perfection), I think &quot;it
+</I>&gt;<i> suffices&quot; to establish basic rules of management, to avoid
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;anarchy&quot; and &quot;a waste&quot; of time and energy.
+</I>&gt;<i> There is no question of hierarchy, but to accept our levels of
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge and competence. So I'm just a basic user, and I simply
+</I>&gt;<i> and humbly admit that I hardly understand explanations of a
+</I>&gt;<i> recognized and experienced developer.
+</I>&gt;<i> If I have a question or comment, I share those with my level L,
+</I>&gt;<i> and the next level &quot;higher&quot; L +1. The answer is known ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Everything is OK. Otherwise the problem is studied by those at
+</I>&gt;<i> level L+1 and L +2. And so on until the response.
+</I>&gt;<i> That seems more than acceptable, because there is no shame in
+</I>&gt;<i> accepting what we are.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cordially
+</I>&gt;<i> Denis
+</I>
+We also need to understand that one person might be at different
+levels in different circumstances - for example, a packager who
+works on OpenOffice might need newbie-level help when starting to
+use Amarok. However expert we are in our own specialist field, we
+are all newbies at something we haven't tried before!
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
+**Otford Ducks Computers**
+We teach, you learn...
+...and, if you don't do your homework, we set the cat on you!
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Denis MARCOUREL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002252.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002246.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>juan acevedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002239.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ?
+</A><A NAME="2239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:48 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+
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+ <h1>6 October 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 00:17:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 30<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002239.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ?
+</A><A NAME="2239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002246.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002249.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>BenBois
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002251.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002252.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>juan acevedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002255.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Denis MARCOUREL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:48 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>6 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 00:17:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 30<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002239.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Doc Team] Proposal, questions ?
+</A><A NAME="2239">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002233.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2233">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002235.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2235">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Adrian Marcinkowski
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002236.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2236">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002238.html">[Mageia-discuss] Is it possible to give a platform for translation of different languages?
+</A><A NAME="2238">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002232.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2232">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002234.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2234">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002242.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2242">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002243.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2243">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002244.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2244">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002245.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2245">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002250.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2250">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>atilla ontas
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002249.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2249">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>BenBois
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002251.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2251">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002252.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2252">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002253.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2253">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>juan acevedo
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002255.html">[Mageia-discuss] mageia logo: my proposals
+</A><A NAME="2255">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Diego Bello
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002237.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2237">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002240.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2240">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Maarten Vanraes
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002241.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2241">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002246.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2246">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002247.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2247">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>yvan munoz
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002248.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2248">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002256.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2256">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Denis MARCOUREL
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002258.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mailing List to Web Forum Bidirectional Gateway
+</A><A NAME="2258">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002254.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2254">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>doug
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002257.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2257">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:48 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
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+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 00:17:38 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Wed Oct 6 20:06:43 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 30<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01286317058- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002229.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2229">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286317351- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002230.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2230">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01286318110- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002231.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia governance model draft
+</A><A NAME="2231">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
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+ <B>Dale Huckeby</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, BenBois wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Hi everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'd like to present to you some logos I made for mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For their story:
+</I>&gt;<i> First, I designed a shape around the letter &quot;m&quot; to be easily and quickly identifiable.
+</I>&gt;<i> After that, the idea has been to choose the colors: Orange and blue
+</I>&gt;<i> the next step has been to find a clear, light and modern font: Greyscale Basic (<A HREF="http://www.greyscale.net/basic/">http://www.greyscale.net/basic/</A>)
+</I>&gt;<i> Finally, I've played with 2 ideas:
+</I>&gt;<i> Idea 1- The letter and a symbol (in memory of the past): a star, a square and a circle with some light effects in cartoon
+</I>&gt;<i> style.
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5055100228/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054849005/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5054850303/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Idea 2- The letter like a button with the same light effects plus a version in plain color.
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128779/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128783/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128785/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>
+Thanks for the presentations. However, speaking just for myself, I don't
+at all care for logo designs which are basically a fancy &quot;m&quot;, or which
+feature a wand, a rounded star or other elements that are a more or less
+literal-minded evocation of the Mandrake-Mageia-magic connection or of
+past Mandrake-Mandriva logos. What do coke, pepsi or other brand symbols
+&quot;mean&quot; in and of themselves? Nothing at all. They're abstact designs
+that have come to evoke &quot;coke&quot;, &quot;pepsi&quot;, etc. We need an abstract design
+to evoke Mageia without overly literal representation. Just my opinion.
+
+Dale Huckeby
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+<PRE>On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Olivier M&#233;jean wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 6 octobre 2010 15:21:12, Diego Bello a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, BenBois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">benbois at ooo4kids.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> -
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N24/</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I really like this one!
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Congratulations, I can see you have talent and skills in all your proposals
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I fear this too much similar to a logo of fournitures in France :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/">http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/</A>
+</I>
+That's the problem with logos that feature a stylized letter. There are
+only 26 of them, so any given letter is almost certain to already be in
+use in someone else's (unimaginative) logo. Give me interesting abstract
+shapes!
+
+Dale Huckeby
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+ <B>Nathan Wolf</B>
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+<PRE>For what it's worth, I like the blue and orange one more than the cutout of
+the &quot;M&quot;.
+
+-Nathan
+
+On Wednesday, 06 October 2010 18:40:04 Dale Huckeby wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 6 Oct 2010, Olivier M&#233;jean wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 6 octobre 2010 15:21:12, Diego Bello a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 6:59 AM, BenBois &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">benbois at ooo4kids.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; -
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N2">http://www.flickr.com/photos/26770725@N06/5056128789/in/pool-1491252@N2</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; 4/
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I really like this one!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Congratulations, I can see you have talent and skills in all your
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; proposals
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I fear this too much similar to a logo of fournitures in France :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/">http://www.monsieur-meuble.com/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's the problem with logos that feature a stylized letter. There are
+</I>&gt;<i> only 26 of them, so any given letter is almost certain to already be in
+</I>&gt;<i> use in someone else's (unimaginative) logo. Give me interesting abstract
+</I>&gt;<i> shapes!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Dale Huckeby
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+ <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Thanks for the presentations. However, speaking just for myself, I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> at all care for logo designs which are basically a fancy &quot;m&quot;, or which
+</I>&gt;<i> feature a wand, a rounded star or other elements that are a more or less
+</I>&gt;<i> literal-minded evocation of the Mandrake-Mageia-magic connection or of
+</I>&gt;<i> past Mandrake-Mandriva logos. What do coke, pepsi or other brand symbols
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;mean&quot; in and of themselves? Nothing at all. They're abstact designs
+</I>&gt;<i> that have come to evoke &quot;coke&quot;, &quot;pepsi&quot;, etc. We need an abstract design
+</I>&gt;<i> to evoke Mageia without overly literal representation. Just my opinion.
+</I>
++100000000000000000000
+
+
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+ <B>Graham Lauder</B>
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+&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks for the presentations. However, speaking just for myself, I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; at all care for logo designs which are basically a fancy &quot;m&quot;, or which
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; feature a wand, a rounded star or other elements that are a more or less
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; literal-minded evocation of the Mandrake-Mageia-magic connection or of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; past Mandrake-Mandriva logos. What do coke, pepsi or other brand symbols
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;mean&quot; in and of themselves? Nothing at all. They're abstact designs
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that have come to evoke &quot;coke&quot;, &quot;pepsi&quot;, etc. We need an abstract design
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to evoke Mageia without overly literal representation. Just my opinion.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +100000000000000000000
+</I>
+
+Now if you managed to say I agree that many times a one a second it would take
+you 3171 years allowing time for fast food and slurps.
+
+So I'll help +1 :)
+
+a symbol that crosses cultural and language barriers.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
+</I>
+Cheers
+
+GL
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+</I>&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-02 18:24, Andr&#233; Machado a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia 23, Mageia 37. Sounds good? At least for me it doesn't :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fedora 14 beta is out. Slackware 13.1, too. But when we get there, we
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> can improvise. We can do like Corel DRAW! X4 , that has a impact name
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and is the 14th version (X4 = X + 4 and X is 10 in Roman numerals). Or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we can use both, eg: M$ Office 2010 is, internally, Office 14.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For more than a version to year, we can use months, sequential numbers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> or a strange numbering system like Mageia 1.0.20110101 where last part
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is YYYYMMDD.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Whichever numbering system is used, it should be easily understood by
+</I>&gt;<i> the average user and it should not look like it is making the previous
+</I>&gt;<i> version sound like an inferior product. I personally don't mind the
+</I>&gt;<i> year assignation &quot;Mageia 2010.1&quot; followed by &quot;Magiea 2010.2&quot; which, to
+</I>&gt;<i> me, is easily explainable to everyone ... &quot;Mageia 2010.1&quot; is the first
+</I>&gt;<i> release of Mageia in 2010 and &quot;Mageia 2010.2&quot; is the second release of
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia in 2010.
+</I>As far as the year designation goes, I definitely think that we should
+use the actual year, instead of copying the car industry with something
+like 2011.0 for late 2010.
+Personally I have some preference for using 2011.0 in March and 2011.1
+in October, but 2011.1 and 2011.2 format would be ok.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It should be a numbering system that is easily understood regardless
+</I>&gt;<i> of country, culture or age. A 10 year-old and 90 year-old should be
+</I>&gt;<i> able to guess and understand the system easily. This could then be our
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;public&quot; numbering system. Easily read and easily understood.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As to the Cauldron, dev etc. versions, then it could very well be a
+</I>&gt;<i> more descriptive numbering system based on day/month/year (the metric
+</I>&gt;<i> date format) Mageia09022010. This could then be our &quot;dev&quot; and
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;internal&quot; numbering system. We would, of course, promote the fact,
+</I>&gt;<i> that our develop system dating and numbering system would follow the
+</I>&gt;<i> long established metric formats.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>The date format should be year/month/day, as in 20100209. This is the
+official order used by the UN, for example.
+It is also used by Mozilla products, and much other software. There is
+also a gradual conversion to this format by many international
+companies. And much gov't issued id (as in Qu&#233;bec, Canada).
+Day-month-year is the traditional European format.
+
+As far as this dev/internal date goes, there is nothing to prevent it
+from continuing on the official release version, along with the year of
+the release.
+
+- Andr&#233; (andre999)
+
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+&gt;<i> The date format should be year/month/day, as in 20100209. This is the
+</I>&gt;<i> official order used by the UN, for example.
+</I>&gt;<i> It is also used by Mozilla products, and much other software. There is
+</I>&gt;<i> also a gradual conversion to this format by many international
+</I>&gt;<i> companies. And much gov't issued id (as in Qu&#233;bec, Canada).
+</I>&gt;<i> Day-month-year is the traditional European format.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233; (andre999)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Sorry for doing this again, and I know that this will raise a collective
+sigh from the list, but the conventional date format that most
+countries/organizations have adopted today all derive from the ISO
+organization's date convention. You may fine it here:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.iso.org/iso/fr/support/faqs/faqs_widely_used_standards.htm">http://www.iso.org/iso/fr/support/faqs/faqs_widely_used_standards.htm</A>
+
+Marc (no, I am not an ISO rep. LOL)
+
+
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+ <B>Ma&#226;t</B>
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+ <I>Thu Oct 7 14:50:52 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Le 04/10/2010 00:14, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Stay tuned,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hi,
+
+News about forums progress :
+
+We are currently starting to work on mageia ldap and forum connection.
+
+If properly working that will avoid contributors to have to create
+accounts everywhere (forums, build system, bugtracker...)
+
+A common web identity manager like <A HREF="http://identity.kde.org">http://identity.kde.org</A> will allow
+people to suscribe, manage their passwords and other profile data \o/
+
+To avoid problems during ldap and forums connection phase (which could
+force us to reset forum posts and user accounts) we have been asked to
+delay a little bit before forum opening.
+
+What we need now is to build the support team... so that they can be
+ready when forum opens...
+
+Cheers,
+Ma&#226;t
+
+
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 07 octobre 2010 &#224; 14:50 +0200, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le 04/10/2010 00:14, Ma&#226;t a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Stay tuned,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> News about forums progress :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are currently starting to work on mageia ldap and forum connection.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If properly working that will avoid contributors to have to create
+</I>&gt;<i> accounts everywhere (forums, build system, bugtracker...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A common web identity manager like <A HREF="http://identity.kde.org">http://identity.kde.org</A> will allow
+</I>&gt;<i> people to suscribe, manage their passwords and other profile data \o/
+</I>
+Well, we didn't write specs yet ( I know, I am the one who volunteered
+of writing it ), so this is a little bit too soon to speak of it.
+
+
+And I also think we agreed that cross posting was bad.
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+
+&gt;<i> Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 02.10.2010 18:22, Remco Rijnders kirjutas:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, Andr&#233; Machado wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 2011.0 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 2001.1 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 11.01 ? :D
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> * Mageia 1.0 ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 20xx.0 -&gt; 20xx.1 is perfect. Tho' 20xx.0 should be released at spring
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time and 20xx.1 later
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the same year. At the moment it doesn't make sense and many friends have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> asked why is 20xy
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> released in 20x(y-1).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly. Mandriva version numbering sounds like we are selling cars. (You
+</I>&gt;<i> know, all image and no substance.)
+</I>&gt;<i> So let's go for Mageia 2010.1 if we can do it this fall. (Hopefully)
+</I>&gt;<i> And Mageia 2011.0 in the spring.
+</I>&gt;<i> Note that we will have to recompile to change Mandriva to Mageia, so
+</I>&gt;<i> changing the version number should cause no problem.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for a release made in March. That way we are always &quot;up to date&quot; and can
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> year
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> if needed / fitting.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ubuntu. And i don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> like it. When the release needs to be delayed it's better to do so. Not to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> push it out and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> have to remember
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1.
+</I>&gt;<i> If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you want
+</I>&gt;<i> to have to change the names of 100's of files ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Including the dependancies in the RPM's ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And why would you want 3 releases in a year ? With the pace of changes in
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux, 2 seems just right. If there are any important updates, for
+</I>&gt;<i> security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system we
+</I>&gt;<i> are inheriting (like virtually all others).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sander
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - Andr&#233; (andre999)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why not make them read the version info from one place? (on a long term...)
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+<PRE>On Wed, 6 Oct 2010 07:55:31 +0200
+yvan munoz wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> Please first excuse my english level (and sometimes usage of automatic
+</I>&gt;<i> translation)
+</I>&gt;<i> I have some reflexions and questions i think it could be interesting to
+</I>&gt;<i> share here :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doc Team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _ base : that the documentary team has previously conducted
+</I>&gt;<i> _ base : operation for common tools for this job
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _ objective : make participation easy
+</I>&gt;<i> _ objective : produce quality docs for readers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _ question : could we mix the usage of wiki and edition ? ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i> _ proposition : reserve wiki for contributors works, simply by have a
+</I>&gt;<i> large banner at the top of wiki welcome page (docs.mageia.org ? or
+</I>&gt;<i> whereever). Banner invite to download latest doc compil.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _ effect : no invitation to read wiki. Wiki is ever a working place (as
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron is dev sys)
+</I>&gt;<i> _ effect : Readers and users have ever a validated and finalised
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> _ effect : preserve 'works-ever' wiki and prevent any 'never-finished'
+</I>&gt;<i> impression for docs readers
+</I>&gt;<i> _ effect : make people want to participate by producing a good doc final
+</I>&gt;<i> quality
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No revolution, no new tool, no great idea (sorry :p), just a little orga
+</I>&gt;<i> adjusment to change perception of readers on our doc.
+</I>&gt;<i> Additonnals : produce in well know format, standard, with easy scanning
+</I>&gt;<i> and indexing for desktop tools (as strigi / nepomuk)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Resume in two sentences :
+</I>&gt;<i> Wiki is for workers. Final doc is for readers, and could include common
+</I>&gt;<i> texts (as releases notes, issues and wiki doc)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mix wiki usage for edition objective to have separation between places :
+</I>&gt;<i> works and reads.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>
+Historically, in the Mandrake/Mandriva context, documentation was
+basically a two-part scheme. Those parts were:
+
+Man pages: Mostly the responsibility of the developers of the applications.
+
+Printed Manuals: Primarily for inclusion in boxed sets for each release,
+but included in the distributed media as HTML and PDF files. The manuals
+were coordinated by company employees and an international team of writers,
+translators, technical and language proofreaders.
+
+Later, (about 2006 I think) some material (in the form of HowTos) began to
+be published as webpages but was not dealt with by the DocTeam itself.
+
+The source material was stored in CVS/SVN repositories on the company
+servers using a custom-built application called Borges to manage
+synchronisation between each module it's screenshots and the various
+language teams.
+
+All base material was written using US English and then translated to each
+of the other reference languages. For example the 2008.1 release had 14
+'official' languages, each language being coordinated by it's own team
+leader.
+
+In my opinion, this scheme worked very well, even if there were a few
+'hassles' close to release when some functions in some programs didn't
+always work as described :-) (Blame the devs for changing their minds!)
+
+Take a look here to see how the project was organised for 2007.1:
+
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Documentation_Project_Status">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Documentation_Project_Status</A>
+
+At this time I doubt that we would be producing hardcopy manuals but
+whatever documentation we produce should be of the same or better quality
+as those we produced then. That is; we should aim to use quality writing
+and screenshots and regardless of anything else what is produced it should
+be in a print-ready form for ease of reference.
+
+Thoughts?
+
+John NZ
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+
+&gt;<i> At this time I doubt that we would be producing hardcopy manuals but
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever documentation we produce should be of the same or better quality
+</I>&gt;<i> as those we produced then. That is; we should aim to use quality writing
+</I>&gt;<i> and screenshots and regardless of anything else what is produced it should
+</I>&gt;<i> be in a print-ready form for ease of reference.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thoughts?
+</I>
+Sure! Just keep in mind we cannot reuse mdv documentation because of
+licence (at least from 2005). I spoke with Camille (from Neodoc). He
+seems ok to give a hand and host Calenco platform for Mageia doc. It
+means we would have real tool that fits doc team needs: manage
+documentation project, translations, writters, readers...
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> John NZ
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+yvan munoz wrote:
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+&gt;<i> Please first excuse my english level (and sometimes usage of automatic
+</I>&gt;<i> translation)
+</I>&gt;<i> I have some reflexions and questions i think it could be interesting to
+</I>&gt;<i> share here :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doc Team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _ base : that the documentary team has previously conducted
+</I>&gt;<i> _ base : operation for common tools for this job
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _ objective : make participation easy
+</I>&gt;<i> _ objective : produce quality docs for readers
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _ question : could we mix the usage of wiki and edition ? ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i> _ proposition : reserve wiki for contributors works, simply by have a
+</I>&gt;<i> large banner at the top of wiki welcome page (docs.mageia.org ? or
+</I>&gt;<i> whereever). Banner invite to download latest doc compil.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> _ effect : no invitation to read wiki. Wiki is ever a working place (as
+</I>&gt;<i> cauldron is dev sys)
+</I>&gt;<i> _ effect : Readers and users have ever a validated and finalised
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation
+</I>&gt;<i> _ effect : preserve 'works-ever' wiki and prevent any 'never-finished'
+</I>&gt;<i> impression for docs readers
+</I>&gt;<i> _ effect : make people want to participate by producing a good doc final
+</I>&gt;<i> quality
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No revolution, no new tool, no great idea (sorry :p), just a little orga
+</I>&gt;<i> adjusment to change perception of readers on our doc.
+</I>&gt;<i> Additonnals : produce in well know format, standard, with easy scanning
+</I>&gt;<i> and indexing for desktop tools (as strigi / nepomuk)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Resume in two sentences :
+</I>&gt;<i> Wiki is for workers. Final doc is for readers, and could include common
+</I>&gt;<i> texts (as releases notes, issues and wiki doc)
+</I>&gt;<i> Mix wiki usage for edition objective to have separation between places :
+</I>&gt;<i> works and reads.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>
+Historically, in the Mandrake/Mandriva context, documentation was
+basically a two-part scheme. Those parts were:
+
+Man pages: Mostly the responsibility of the developers of the applications.
+
+Printed Manuals: Primarily for inclusion in boxed sets for each release,
+but included in the distributed media as HTML and PDF files. The manuals
+were coordinated by company employees and an international team of writers,
+translators, technical and language proofreaders.
+
+Later, (about 2006 I think) some material (in the form of HowTos) began to
+be published as webpages but was not dealt with by the DocTeam itself.
+
+The source material was stored in CVS/SVN repositories on the company
+servers using a custom-built application called Borges to manage
+synchronisation between each module it's screenshots and the various
+language teams.
+
+All base material was written using US English and then translated to each
+of the other reference languages. For example the 2008.1 release had 14
+'official' languages, each language being coordinated by it's own team
+leader.
+
+In my opinion, this scheme worked very well, even if there were a few
+'hassles' close to release when some functions in some programs didn't
+always work as described :-) (Blame the devs for changing their minds!)
+
+Take a look here to see how the project was organised for 2007.1:
+
+<A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Documentation_Project_Status">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Documentation_Project_Status</A>
+
+At this time I doubt that we would be producing hardcopy manuals but
+whatever documentation we produce should be of the same or better quality
+as those we produced then. That is; we should aim to use quality writing
+and screenshots and regardless of anything else what is produced it should
+be in a print-ready form for ease of reference.
+
+Thoughts?
+
+John NZ
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>On mandriva forum [1] now was a post about OpenSuSE build system can package
+rpm so they work on different Linux distributions.
+
+<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/cross_distribution_package_how_to">http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/cross_distribution_package_how_to</A>
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+&quot;The Build Service can reliably package rpms for not only openSUSE, but also
+recent SLES, CentOS, Fedora, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu, Debian and
+Mandriva distributions.&quot;
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+It may not need much more work?
+
+Benefit is that maybe more work could be shared between distributions.
+
+And if other dists could use Mageia packages, it is a way to draw attention ;)
+
+But maybe it slows other progress such as future move to rpm5, general
+installation and build system development?
+
+[1]: <A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=132237">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=132237</A>
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+ <B>Oliver Burger</B>
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+<PRE>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt; schrieb am 2010-10-08
+&gt;<i> On mandriva forum [1] now was a post about OpenSuSE build system can
+</I>&gt;<i> package rpm so they work on different Linux distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i> Benefit is that maybe more work could be shared between distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if other dists could use Mageia packages, it is a way to draw attention
+</I>When building x-distro on OBS you don't build one package for all distros. The
+OBS builds one package per distro and you may have to use if-clauses in the
+spec, when macros, package names and things like that defer between the
+distros.
+
+And you can't rebuild the srpms on other distros without editing the specs
+because there are obs specific macros.
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.com">http://www.mageia.com</A> ...
+</I>It might bring in some confusion, but the content is completely different,
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+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.com">http://www.mageia.com</A> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Mageia trademark is registred at the INPI (French trademark and patents office)
+for several classes useful for computing by member of the Mageia project
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+Le vendredi 08 octobre 2010 &#224; 11:50 +0200, St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Just to ensure we will not encompass the mandrake story again, check
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.com">http://www.mageia.com</A> ...
+</I>
+We had a quite long and complex research to find a name :
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100920/000315.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100920/000315.html</A>
+
+Then we indeed stumbled on the fact that the .com was used but this was
+not seen as a problem since there is a lot of precedent in free
+software :
+
+apache.com is not affiliated with apache.org
+ (.com registered before .org )
+
+ubuntu.com is not affiliated with ubuntu.org
+ (.org registered 2 years before .com )
+
+gnome.com is not affiliated with gnome.org
+ (.com 2 years before .org )
+
+python.com is not affiliated with python.org
+ (.com 1 year before .org)
+
+I just took the biggest projects I could think, but afaik, none of them
+had a problem based on dns alone. To have a problem like Mandrakesoft or
+Mobilix had, the problem need to be taken from a trademark point of
+view. And if you look on the list I gave, this was checked ( now, we
+forgot to check association name, but we worked around it quite
+easily ).
+
+People asked the question in the past :
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100921/000567.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100921/000567.html</A>
+
+So yes, we are aware. It is like computer security, just a question of
+evaluating the risk. And I think we are not doing much harm to them
+( and that we do not want ), neither the do to us. This is basically a
+brick and mortar shop. The trademark law is quite clear, you have to
+explicitly tell the domain of your mark, and so does the DNS system
+( ie, you have to use a tld ).
+
+And you are you aware you are sending html mail on this list :) ?
+--
+Michael Scherer
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+<PRE> Am 24.09.2010 17:04, schrieb Juergen Harms:
+&gt;<i> On 09/24/2010 02:15 PM, Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I mean, I have a problem, I report the bug, and I keep bothering until
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> someone answer me.
+</I>&gt;<i> The other point is that somewhere in Mageia there needs to be a an anchor for
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;bugzilla awareness&quot; - just not let bugzilla simmer along, make sure that
+</I>&gt;<i> bugzilla handling fulfills its job as an essential part of Mageia QA. No
+</I>&gt;<i> offense, my experience is that - except during periods of release
+</I>&gt;<i> finalisation - it did simmer, at least in the average - even if there were
+</I>&gt;<i> some very devoted and expeditive bug assignees. By the way, in case Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> becomes a rolling distribution, also that essential period will go away.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Simply create a good bug #1, that is not about market share
+or world domination, but about community and commitment,
+and every mageia supporter should try to fix this,
+so it should never be resolved, status should be REMINDER.
+
+That would be my approach to good bugzilla handling for Mageia!
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+<PRE>On 8 October 2010 10:56, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fri at tribun.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On mandriva forum [1] now was a post about OpenSuSE build system can package
+</I>&gt;<i> rpm so they work on different Linux distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/cross_distribution_package_how_to">http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/cross_distribution_package_how_to</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;The Build Service can reliably package rpms for not only openSUSE, but also
+</I>&gt;<i> recent SLES, CentOS, Fedora, Red Hat Enterprise Linux, Ubuntu, Debian and
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva distributions.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It may not need much more work?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Benefit is that maybe more work could be shared between distributions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if other dists could use Mageia packages, it is a way to draw attention ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But maybe it slows other progress such as future move to rpm5, general
+</I>&gt;<i> installation and build system development?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [1]: <A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=132237">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=132237</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This looks like a service for upstream projects that want to provide
+binary rpms for various distros (e.g. wine, although I don't think
+wine uses OBS).
+
+Each distro has different tweaks for building packages, different rpm
+macros... etc. For example due to the, rather awesome, rpm
+filetriggers in Mandriva/will-be-in-Mageia, we don't need to add
+anything in the spec files to update menu files, icon theme caches,
+compress manpages, install info files... etc.
+
+Also note that dependencies across distros aren't named the same. IINM
+the closest distro to Mandriva/Mageia is Fedora, in the way
+packages/deps are named, but even in this case they name python
+packages differently for example.
+
+
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-08 15:55:05 skrev Florian Hubold:
+&gt;<i> Simply create a good bug #1, that is not about market share
+</I>&gt;<i> or world domination, but about community and commitment,
+</I>&gt;<i> and every mageia supporter should try to fix this,
+</I>&gt;<i> so it should never be resolved, status should be REMINDER.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be my approach to good bugzilla handling for Mageia!
+</I>
+Very good idea :)
+
+( And a nice pass to Ubuntu bug #1 )
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+<PRE>On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 7:22 AM, Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le vendredi 08 octobre 2010 &#224; 11:50 +0200, St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just to ensure we will not encompass the mandrake story again, check
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.com">http://www.mageia.com</A> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We had a quite long and complex research to find a name :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100920/000315.html">https://www.mageia.org/pipermail/mageia-discuss/20100920/000315.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then we indeed stumbled on the fact that the .com was used but this was
+</I>&gt;<i> not seen as a problem since there is a lot of precedent in free
+</I>&gt;<i> software :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> apache.com is not affiliated with apache.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;(.com registered before .org )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ubuntu.com is not affiliated with ubuntu.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;(.org registered 2 years before .com )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> gnome.com is not affiliated with gnome.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;(.com 2 years before .org )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> python.com is not affiliated with python.org
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;(.com 1 year before .org)
+</I>
+You could have warned about python.com first, it's an &quot;adults&quot; site!
+ Luckily I was able to close it really fast :D
+
+
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+ <B>Michael Scherer</B>
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+<PRE>Le vendredi 08 octobre 2010 &#224; 15:55 +0200, Florian Hubold a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;<i> Simply create a good bug #1, that is not about market share
+</I>&gt;<i> or world domination, but about community and commitment,
+</I>&gt;<i> and every mageia supporter should try to fix this,
+</I>&gt;<i> so it should never be resolved, status should be REMINDER.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would be my approach to good bugzilla handling for Mageia!
+</I>
+I have been thinking of this, but I fear this will overload the system,
+like bug #1 at launchpad. For some months, they had to replace it with a
+static page because of the load. There is 1329 comments on it :
+<A HREF="https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1">https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1</A>
+
+and showing them all with
+<A HREF="https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1?comments=all">https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1?comments=all</A> lead to a timeout.
+
+So I would prefer that :
+
+1) we start at 10 ( or 100 )
+2) we do not have a potential ressource hog on bugzilla :)
+
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+&gt;<i> On 05/10/10 14:34, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't this be the basis for including, say, a default
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dongle
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> installation and a number of representative providers or
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> appropriate links?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This would make the job of the maintainer of these setups
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> quite a dedicated job. Providers come and go depending on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> their financial success. When they are successful, the get
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bought out. It would be best, in my opinion, as a FAQ or
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Wiki item that would somehow be available to users at the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> time of installation. A text file does not take a lot of
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> space on a disc.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sounds reasonable, if the basic dongle installation was
+</I>&gt;<i> included on the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&lt;Apologies - I've lost your post about the kernel not
+recognising your dongle; and please forgive me if this is
+already known to you&gt;
+
+My dongle wasn't recognised as such by the MDV 2009.1 kernel
+either.
+I had to install
+lsusb
+usb-storage
+usbserial.
+usb-modeswitch (from rpmfind.net)
+wvdial
+(kppp I had already installed).
+
+As far as I know usb-modeswitch isn't dongle-specific.
+
+However it was essential to attach the dongle BEFORE booting
+up for the mode switch to take place, otherwise it was just
+recognised as a simple memory stick.
+Then
+ls -alrt /dev/ttyUSB* showed
+/dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/ttyUSB2 /dev/ttyUSB3
+
+After that there were some configuration steps to carry out.
+
+Doug
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+been a pretty active community around the documentation, and in all the
+languages I think it does. On the other, as you point out there were clear
+and well defined process for creating official documentation.
+
+On the wiki, we have all seen change so diverse content by language. This is
+a sign of wealth but may be unfortunate because we lost by lack of
+unification.
+The other defect of the wiki is the feeling of unfinished work forever.
+(When you do not implement the same procedures as in Gentoo or Fedora).
+Which, by experience one realizes, is part of a source of confusion for
+readers, and other corporate sources of exhaustion for writers, because of
+criticism due to the first point.
+
+The process you describe, and that you report to want to keep extending it,
+the process is professional, professional quality.
+
+And I want to ask you some questions about how best to:
+1. not frustrate the contributors to the wiki, they can participate
+2. not repeat the mistakes of a wiki giving the impression of never finished
+(not good for users, not as nice returns for writers)
+3. not to lose local skills when they are not able to have a minimum
+technical English despite having all the qualities and willingness to
+participate
+
+Hence the idea (but certainly not the best) can also enhance the
+professional quality documentation with translations, certainly rare in the
+sense other languages -&gt; English. And not just in one direction.
+
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+
+&gt;<i> I am the one who volunteered of writing it
+</I>
+2010/10/7 Ma&#226;t &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">maat-ml at vilarem.net</A>&gt;
+News about forums progress :
+
+
+
+Is it possible to examine details about the forum together?
+
+by experience of the forums, it does not seem to have a good rating users
+depending on the nomber posts. This leads readers to some confusion as to
+the quality of assistance sometimes. Is it possible to remove this function
+pbpbb?
+
+second question: is it possible to record the messages for all the worst for
+a category (typically moderators) at best. This is to save time in the
+classification of questions and tips written by everyone?
+
+what you thinks about this two littles points ? Possible ?
+
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+&gt;<i> &lt;Apologies - I've lost your post about the kernel not recognising your
+</I>&gt;<i> dongle; and please forgive me if this is already known to you&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My dongle wasn't recognised as such by the MDV 2009.1 kernel either.
+</I>&gt;<i> I had to install
+</I>&gt;<i> lsusb
+</I>&gt;<i> usb-storage
+</I>&gt;<i> usbserial.
+</I>&gt;<i> usb-modeswitch (from rpmfind.net)
+</I>&gt;<i> wvdial
+</I>&gt;<i> (kppp I had already installed).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as I know usb-modeswitch isn't dongle-specific.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However it was essential to attach the dongle BEFORE booting up for the
+</I>&gt;<i> mode switch to take place, otherwise it was just recognised as a simple
+</I>&gt;<i> memory stick.
+</I>&gt;<i> Then
+</I>&gt;<i> ls -alrt /dev/ttyUSB* showed
+</I>&gt;<i> /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/ttyUSB2 /dev/ttyUSB3
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> After that there were some configuration steps to carry out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks! I'll give it a try this weekend. It would be awesome if this
+worked out.
+
+Marc
+
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+
+&gt;<i> Hi
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; At this time I doubt that we would be producing hardcopy manuals but
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; whatever documentation we produce should be of the same or better quality
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; as those we produced then. That is; we should aim to use quality writing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and screenshots and regardless of anything else what is produced it
+</I>&gt;<i> should
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; be in a print-ready form for ease of reference.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thoughts?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure! Just keep in mind we cannot reuse mdv documentation because of
+</I>&gt;<i> licence (at least from 2005). I spoke with Camille (from Neodoc). He
+</I>&gt;<i> seems ok to give a hand and host Calenco platform for Mageia doc. It
+</I>&gt;<i> means we would have real tool that fits doc team needs: manage
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation project, translations, writters, readers...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Could be good but if it will be used, please remember provide some
+documentation how exactly to translate, also. Being not able to understand
+how it works (besides short-lived experiment providing PO-files for
+translation) was and is IMHO main reason why Mandriva documentation is
+translated quite a few languages.
+
+Marek Laane
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; John NZ
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could be good but if it will be used, please remember provide some
+</I>&gt;<i> documentation how exactly to translate, also. Being not able to understand
+</I>&gt;<i> how it works (besides short-lived experiment providing PO-files for
+</I>&gt;<i> translation) was and is IMHO main raeason why Mandriva documentation is
+</I>&gt;<i> translated quite a few languages.
+</I>
+Sure! Anyway using such tools should allow non technical guys to contribute :)
+
+&gt;<i> Marek Laaneuys
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; John NZ
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Anne
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+<I>Michael Scherer
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+<I>Florian Hubold
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+<I>Ahmad Samir
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+<I>St&#233;phane T&#233;letch&#233;a
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+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
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+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+<I>Oliver Burger
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+<I>Ahmad Samir
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+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+<PRE>On 08/10/10 19:30, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &lt;Apologies - I've lost your post about the kernel not
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recognising your
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> dongle; and please forgive me if this is already known to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> you&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My dongle wasn't recognised as such by the MDV 2009.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> kernel either.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I had to install
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> lsusb
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usb-storage
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usbserial.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> usb-modeswitch (from rpmfind.net)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> wvdial
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (kppp I had already installed).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As far as I know usb-modeswitch isn't dongle-specific.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However it was essential to attach the dongle BEFORE
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> booting up for the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> mode switch to take place, otherwise it was just
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> recognised as a simple
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> memory stick.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Then
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ls -alrt /dev/ttyUSB* showed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> /dev/ttyUSB0 /dev/ttyUSB1 /dev/ttyUSB2 /dev/ttyUSB3
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> After that there were some configuration steps to carry out.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Doug
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks! I'll give it a try this weekend. It would be awesome
+</I>&gt;<i> if this worked out.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>FYI. These are the details from the crib sheet I used to set
+it up:
+
+&lt;quote&gt;
+as root, run lsusb:
+Bus 003 Device 005: ID 19d2:0002 ONDA Communication S.p.A.
+ET502HS/MT505UP ZTE MF632
+
+as root, run 'wvdialconf' to create /etc/wvdial.conf, then
+edit wvdial.conf to the following:
+
+[Dialer Defaults]
+Modem = /dev/ttyUSB1
+Baud = 921600
+Init1 = ATZ
+Init2 = AT+CGDCONT=1,&quot;IP&quot;,&quot;ibox.tim.it&quot;,,0,0
+ISDN = 0
+Modem Type = Analog Modem
+Carrier Check = No
+Phone = *99#
+Username = abcd
+Password = 1234
+
+
+(valid configuration for Alice Mobile: For other operators
+vary the initialization string that contains the Init2 APN -
+I can't help here)
+
+To connect to the internet
+run 'wvdial' as root
+
+OR preferably alter 'sudoers' file:
+ run 'visudo '
+Add line
+&quot;dougb hplaptop = NOPASSWD /usr/bin/wvdial&quot;
+and then to connect to the internet
+run 'sudo wvdial'
+&#8230;........................................................................................
+I get the following output:
+
+--&gt; WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60
+--&gt; Cannot get information for serial port.
+--&gt; Initializing modem.
+--&gt; Sending: ATZ
+ATZ
+OK
+--&gt; Sending: AT+CGDCONT=1,&quot;IP&quot;,&quot;ibox.tim..it&quot;,,0,0
+AT+CGDCONT=1,&quot;IP&quot;,&quot;ibox.tim..it&quot;,,0,0
+OK
+--&gt; Modem initialized.
+--&gt; Sending: ATDT*99#
+--&gt; Waiting for carrier.
+ATDT*99#
+CONNECT
+--&gt; Carrier detected. Waiting for prompt.
+(There's usually a message saying that it's given up waiting
+for a prompt and is going ahead regardless)
+then, when the IP addresses are checked, we will .be..
+CONNECTED!
+
+Finally close with CRTL+C
+
+&lt;end quote&gt;
+
+
+
+(I've now put 'sudo wvdial' in a script and have a Custom
+Application in an icon of a Gnome panel that runs it in a
+terminal. So it's called by a single mouse click).
+
+HTH in getting you started.
+
+Doug
+
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+Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+about that ?
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+</I>&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;<i> about that ?
+</I>Hmm, I think That is what VMware Player is for.
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+knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+
+--
+Dimitrios Glentadakis
+
+2010/10/9, Adrien Touminet &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">worldmania at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;<i> about that ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cordially
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/9, Adrien Touminet&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">worldmania at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about that ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> cordially
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Please avoid top-posting...
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+</I>&gt;<i> Please avoid top-posting...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Please avoid putting a whole string of previous emails so you have to
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+</I>&gt;<i> Please avoid top-posting...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm sorry it happened by mistake (i used another client)
+
+
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>No, there's more people using Laptop than Desktop today.
+
+With laptop, most of the time Windows is already installed on the machine,
+
+which means something easier to install is needed.
+
+----
+But not something like wubi...I hope it's something that can transfer the
+
+exist system into something like virtual machine and can be launch from
+grub.
+
+Currently we still have to install from Live System/Direct Installer,
+which is
+
+still hard and scared to newbie, especially for people used to have
+pre-installed
+
+system on their system.
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+&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/9, Adrien Touminet &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">worldmania at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about that ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cordially
+</I>Linux installation on a windows box is very easy at least Mandriva. The
+biggest problem if you only have a windows box will be to burn the Mandriva
+ISO on a DVD
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE> Le 09/10/2010 18:25, Thomas Spuhler a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Saturday, October 09, 2010 08:46:27 am Dimitrios Glentadakis wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dimitrios Glentadakis
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/9, Adrien Touminet&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">worldmania at free.fr</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> about that ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> cordially
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux installation on a windows box is very easy at least Mandriva. The
+</I>&gt;<i> biggest problem if you only have a windows box will be to burn the Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> ISO on a DVD
+</I>
+
+yes it's the idea, a lot of people don't know how burn a iso. I say wub
+for exemple because i know some people who use it and few month ago
+switch completly to linux so we like it or not but i think it is useful
+to propose it.
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+ from Dimitrios Glentadakis &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">dglent at gmail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about that ?
+</I>
+&gt;<i> My pov for wubi is negative. I ve never tried it but i think if a user
+</I>&gt;<i> knows how to install windows he is able to install linux too. And wubi
+</I>&gt;<i> shows the wrong way of Linux. I dont know what do you think about but
+</I>&gt;<i> i did nt like it since the first day i heard of it.
+</I>
+Better offer a liveCD, with an installer icon on the desktop a la Mandriva.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Fortunate is he for whom the belle toils.
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
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+&gt;<i> No, there's more people using Laptop than Desktop today.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> With laptop, most of the time Windows is already installed on the
+</I>&gt;<i> machine,
+</I>
+Well, windows is pre-installed on most desktop too anyway, and has been for
+more than a decade.
+
+&gt;<i> which means something easier to install is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----
+</I>&gt;<i> But not something like wubi...I hope it's something that can transfer the
+</I>&gt;<i> exist system into something like virtual machine and can be launch from
+</I>&gt;<i> grub.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Currently we still have to install from Live System/Direct Installer,
+</I>&gt;<i> which is still hard and scared to newbie, especially for people used to
+</I>&gt;<i> have pre-installed system on their system.
+</I>
+The install of most major distributions (excluding at least debian, I
+haven't tested all) is already pretty easy, if it is still to complicated
+(or scary) for some people (and I agree that many people may be scared,
+although I believe most would be able to handle it) then they should not do
+it alone.
+
+That's what LUGs and install parties are for, help people with the (more
+complicated) first step.
+
+The install of a full OS is not as easy as installing a normal program (or
+even installing some system component for your actual OS) and should not be
+presented as such, as there is at least the partitioning which is a risky
+operation. (what would happen if the user decide he wants to stop the
+install while shrinking his partition?)
+
+--
+Renaud Michel
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+<PRE>On Saturday, October 09, 2010 11:16:00 am Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+&gt;<i> On samedi 09 octobre 2010 at 18:24, Kira wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; No, there's more people using Laptop than Desktop today.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; With laptop, most of the time Windows is already installed on the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; machine,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, windows is pre-installed on most desktop too anyway, and has been for
+</I>&gt;<i> more than a decade.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which means something easier to install is needed.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ----
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; But not something like wubi...I hope it's something that can transfer the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; exist system into something like virtual machine and can be launch from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; grub.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Currently we still have to install from Live System/Direct Installer,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; which is still hard and scared to newbie, especially for people used to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have pre-installed system on their system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The install of most major distributions (excluding at least debian, I
+</I>&gt;<i> haven't tested all) is already pretty easy, if it is still to complicated
+</I>&gt;<i> (or scary) for some people (and I agree that many people may be scared,
+</I>&gt;<i> although I believe most would be able to handle it) then they should not do
+</I>&gt;<i> it alone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's what LUGs and install parties are for, help people with the (more
+</I>&gt;<i> complicated) first step.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The install of a full OS is not as easy as installing a normal program (or
+</I>&gt;<i> even installing some system component for your actual OS) and should not be
+</I>&gt;<i> presented as such, as there is at least the partitioning which is a risky
+</I>&gt;<i> operation. (what would happen if the user decide he wants to stop the
+</I>&gt;<i> install while shrinking his partition?)
+</I>+1
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i> &#160;Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think about
+</I>&gt;<i> that ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I've heard that wubi installs are OK for demo purposes but not a good
+platform for actually using Linux.
+
+Installing Linux on top of Windows is like building a strong house on
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+&gt;<i> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:09 AM, Adrien Touminet &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">worldmania at free.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi for
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you think about
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I've heard that wubi installs are OK for demo purposes but not a good
+</I>&gt;<i> platform for actually using Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Wubi installs Ubuntu into an image file on an MS Windows box. there
+are pros and cons to that approach, the most important being that no
+re-partitioning is need for a dual-boot system and removing Linux is
+as simple as deleting a file.
+
+Manriva offered this install option at one point. Does anybody know
+why it was dropped? Actually, RedHat in its 4.x series had a live CD,
+IIRC.
+
+I believe that a Live CD version is more useful for the casual/curious
+user than Linux on a loopback filesystem.and also is usedful for demo
+purposes, troubleshooting a Linux or MS Windows computer or a Linux
+power-user on a strange machine.The Live CD approach already works,
+wubi would need devs and resources to adapt to Mageia, so I would say
+we solve more pressing problems first.
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+&gt;<i> yes it's the idea, a lot of people don't know how burn a iso. I say wub
+</I>&gt;<i> for exemple because i know some people who use it and few month ago
+</I>&gt;<i> switch completly to linux so we like it or not but i think it is useful
+</I>&gt;<i> to propose it.
+</I>
+LOL, I know a lot of people that downloads a Linux ISO from Internet, extract it
+with WinRAR, burn files on a CD and complain that disk doesn't boots!
+
+I agree with this idea, but I have a friend that used Uubi and often complained
+that was necessary use CHKDSK on Windows due Ubuntu. I don't know until what
+point things are related.
+
+Maybe we can port Uubi to Mageia...
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+&gt;<i> I believe that a Live CD version is more useful for the casual/curious
+</I>&gt;<i> user than Linux on a loopback filesystem.and also is usedful for demo
+</I>&gt;<i> purposes, troubleshooting a Linux or MS Windows computer or a Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> power-user on a strange machine.
+</I>
+And maybe we could also have something like Mandriva's script mandriva-seed.sh
+to make a bootable USB drive from the live-CD .iso file.
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ Take your life in your own hands, and what happens?
+ A terrible thing: no one to blame.
+ -- Erica Jong (1942- )
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+&gt;<i> And maybe we could also have something like Mandriva's script mandriva-seed.sh
+</I>&gt;<i> to make a bootable USB drive from the live-CD .iso file.
+</I>
+Or maybe we can use an existing application like UnetBootIn or put on CD some
+w32 application like Win32ImageWriter.
+
+And enjoying the topic, can we port Remastersys to Mageia? Creating a Mandriva
+live CD is too hard.
+
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+In my opinion, Mageia distro's version can set as 2011.0 (2011 Spring) and 2011.1 (2011 Autumn). The secondary version &quot;0&quot; is released in every spring, and the &quot;1&quot; is released in every autumn.
+
+
+I also wish that, the series of Magiea includes:
+
+
+Mageia One (as Mandriva One): official GNOME and KDE.
+
+
+Mageia Free (as Mandriva Free): official GNOME and KDE, all softwares are free softwares.
+
+
+And, I hope that the present Mandriva Linux system (One and Free) can be upgraded to Mageia (One and Free) without re-installation of a new system.
+
+
+Best regards,
+Jiang Yike
+
+
+
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+-----Original Message-----
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+From: Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 9:19 pm
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+
+
+On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 4:07 PM, andr&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+Sander Lepik a &#233;crit :
+
+
+ 02.10.2010 18:22, Remco Rijnders kirjutas:
+
+
+On Sat, Oct 02, 2010 at 03:13:27PM +0000, Andr&#233; Machado wrote:
+
+* Mageia 2011.0 ?
+* Mageia 2001.1 ?
+* Mageia 11.01 ? :D
+* Mageia 1.0 ?
+
+
+20xx.0 -&gt; 20xx.1 is perfect. Tho' 20xx.0 should be released at spring time and 20xx.1 later
+the same year. At the moment it doesn't make sense and many friends have asked why is 20xy
+released in 20x(y-1).
+
+
+Exactly. Mandriva version numbering sounds like we are selling cars. (You know, all image and no substance.)
+So let's go for Mageia 2010.1 if we can do it this fall. (Hopefully)
+And Mageia 2011.0 in the spring.
+Note that we will have to recompile to change Mandriva to Mageia, so changing the version number should cause no problem.
+
+
+How about instead of using 0 or 1, use the month number instead? So, .3
+for a release made in March. That way we are always &quot;up to date&quot; and can
+allow for release schedules slipping or having a 3rd release within a year
+if needed / fitting.
+
+
+Such versioning is bad. It forces you into time limit like it is with Ubuntu. And i don't
+like it. When the release needs to be delayed it's better to do so. Not to push it out and
+then land loads of fixes on it like has happened to Ubuntu. Also you don't have to remember
+which month it was released in year 2008. Was it 2008.3 or 2008.5?
+
+
+It is a lot simpler to use 0 or 1.
+If the month is used, and there is a delay for some reason, would you want to have to change the names of 100's of files ?
+Including the dependancies in the RPM's ?
+Otherwise, the month would have no more meaning than 0 or 1.
+
+And why would you want 3 releases in a year ? With the pace of changes in Linux, 2 seems just right. If there are any important updates, for security, for instance, that is already built into the Mandriva system we are inheriting (like virtually all others).
+
+--
+Sander
+
+
+- Andr&#233; (andre999)
+
+
+Why not make them read the version info from one place? (on a long term...)
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+&gt;<i> Or maybe we can use an existing application like UnetBootIn or put on CD
+</I>&gt;<i> some w32 application like Win32ImageWriter.
+</I>
+Nothing against putting MS progs on the CD, but do not forget there are people
+out there who do not have Windows...
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
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+ -- Edna St. Vincent Millay
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+&gt;<i> 2010/10/4 Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The ISO country codes were devised for such situations. The recognized
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> German language code is now &quot;ger&quot; as seen by the ISO Country code charts.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for this lecture, it's the first time I even hear/read about
+</I>&gt;<i> those 3-letter codes. In all the years of internet usage, in web,
+</I>&gt;<i> usenet, mail I never came across this. Whenever somebody referred to
+</I>&gt;<i> Germany and the language German it was &quot;de&quot;. You never stop
+</I>&gt;<i> learning...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So we should change all the URLs for the language-specific pages like
+</I>&gt;<i> mageia.org/de into mageia.org/ger (and all other languages) same with
+</I>&gt;<i> the IRC channels, unless the channels are country-related. I wonder
+</I>&gt;<i> whether the users of such pages and channels know this. I don't think
+</I>&gt;<i> that anybody in Germany would search for &quot;ger&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How would you suggest to solve this?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Language codes are regulated by iso 639.
+According to Wikipedia, there are 4 different codes available for the
+german language.
+&quot;de&quot; is defined under iso 639-1
+&quot;ger&quot; is a &quot;bibliographic&quot; code defined under 639-2, for compatibility
+with historical usage. (As used in english, probably.)
+&quot;deu&quot; is a &quot;technical&quot; code defined under 639-2, for other usages.
+It is also the code defined under 639-3.
+Note that 639-2 defines codes for *groups* of languages.
+
+Since for IRC usage, one is definitely NOT seeking compatibility with
+historical (probably english language) usage, &quot;ger&quot; should NOT be used.
+
+If I were you, I would continue to use &quot;de&quot;. But you could always
+switch to &quot;deu&quot; if you want a 3-letter code.
+
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+&gt;<i> 2010/10/4 Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Sometimes it is just too far gone to change.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Exactly this is my point.
+</I>&gt;<i> But if you can't change everything you have to leave everythign as it
+</I>&gt;<i> is, IRC channels included.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Just in case you didn't see my previous post, the language code for
+german is NOT &quot;ger&quot;.
+ISO 639 defines language codes. (See Wikipedia.)
+&quot;ger&quot; is only for historical bibliographic reference to language groups,
+as there apparently are some other reference systems that use this code.
+For other uses, you should use either &quot;de&quot; or &quot;deu&quot;.
+Note that even english speakers moderately familiar with Internet would
+expect german to be classed under &quot;de&quot;.
+
+Personally, I would prefer keeping the 2-letter code in most cases, and
+appending a 2-letter country code if a country wishes a local channel,
+like the UK.
+e.g. en-UK, just like used in localisations.
+For some less common languages, a 3-letter code could be appropriate.
+
+- Andr&#233; (andre999)
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+<PRE>Patricia Fraser a &#233;crit :
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+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Thorsten,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As already mentioned in this thread. We have to differentiate between
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the language code and the country code. Both are standardized by the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> ISO. The German language code for example is 'de' where the country
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> code ... hmmm if I look at the ISO 3166 the country code is DE too.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> But nevertheless, what I want to say is, that an IRC Channel per
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> language is usefull but a channel per country is useless (IMHO). So
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> we should focus at the language code, if there is a need of a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> standardization.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Um... no, that's exactly the opposite of why the question was asked.
+</I>&gt;<i> The UK (or GB) channel was opened *specifically* for local
+</I>&gt;<i> support/action/events, not primarily for language support, so we *do*
+</I>&gt;<i> want a locality/geographically-based channel identifier.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Some other folks want language-based channel identifiers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Seems like we need a scheme that would incorporate both types of
+</I>&gt;<i> identifier, and maybe some explanation of the identifiers on the
+</I>&gt;<i> blog/chanserv/whatever.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Also we've noted that we don't have a structure for naming ops and
+</I>&gt;<i> granting privileges and so forth - need to think about that before the
+</I>&gt;<i> trolls turn up.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - --
+</I>&gt;<i> Patricia Fraser
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Why not use en-UK ?
+That way no confusion/conflict for anyone, and your channel is grouped
+with other english-speaking channels.
+And it matches localisation identification format already used.
+Just a suggestion ...
+
+- Andr&#233; (andre999)
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Let's see other projects:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate#International</A> has no
+</I>&gt;<i> strict scheme (although it looks like a 2-letters ISO for language
+</I>&gt;<i> primarily)
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming">https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelNaming</A> has a strict one (2
+</I>&gt;<i> letters ISO for country ONLY - no language-based channel)
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://irc.mozilla.org/">http://irc.mozilla.org/</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;<i> * <A HREF="http://wiki.debian.org/IRC">http://wiki.debian.org/IRC</A> has no strict scheme
+</I>&gt;<i> * others?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What matters more anyway is the index we provide to route people to
+</I>&gt;<i> their preferred channel.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, I would suggest this for #mageia-{suffix}:
+</I>&gt;<i> 0. 2-letters ISO code for _language_ (as we do today, already);
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. 2-letters code _may_ be used for location/country coding;
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. in case of conflict between rules 0 and 1, ask IRC management team
+</I>&gt;<i> - and rule 0 is most likely to apply anyway;
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. so full location/country name is encouraged for location coding;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In this case, #mageia-uk would go for Ukrainian language and
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-unitedkingdom for the United Kingdom; given the context, both
+</I>&gt;<i> would encouraged to put a welcome message on their channel in the
+</I>&gt;<i> coming days to help people re-route themselves in case needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>How about using 2-letter lower case ISO 3166 code for language
++ optional country code, which could be
+either a 2 or 3-letter upper case ISO 639 code
+or a country name ?
+
+e.g. en-UK or en-UnitedKingdom could be used for english-language in
+United Kingdom.
+
+And if a multilingual country wants a multilanguage channel, they would
+just not indicate the language. (i.e. if a country code is used, it
+would always be upper case.)
+(e.g. ZA or ZAF for South Africa; CA or CAN for Canada)
+
+&gt;<i> That would also mean, for instance, that #mageia-br would go for
+</I>&gt;<i> Breton - Celtic language, not for Brasil that would need
+</I>&gt;<i> #mageia-brasil instead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Or #mageia-pt-BR for Brasil ?
+&gt;<i> ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>my 2 cents :)
+
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+&gt;<i> We tend to follow our federal postal authority guidelines called
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Canada Post&quot; who used to have reference books volumes at their postal
+</I>&gt;<i> outlets but now promote their website reference areas and when posting
+</I>&gt;<i> overseas they would prefer country code designation (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp">http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp</A> -- you just
+</I>&gt;<i> click on the country and it will return the country code) which are
+</I>&gt;<i> btw the ISO country code designations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Salut Marc :
+
+The canadian postal guidelines say &quot;... to ensure proper processing, the
+country name must be spelled correctly and in full.&quot; It further says
+that the country name can be in English or French (with accents).
+
+see : <A HREF="http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGaddress-e.asp#1383605">http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGaddress-e.asp#1383605</A>
+
+the names in English :
+<A HREF="http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp">http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp</A>
+in French : <A HREF="http://www.postescanada.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-f.asp">http://www.postescanada.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-f.asp</A>
+
+It does give the ISO country code along with the recipient country's
+postal regulations, but that is not part of the adresse.
+
+Just in case you ever want to send something internationally ... :)
+
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+&gt;<i> We tend to follow our federal postal authority guidelines called
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Canada Post&quot; who used to have reference books volumes at their postal
+</I>&gt;<i> outlets but now promote their website reference areas and when posting
+</I>&gt;<i> overseas they would prefer country code designation (
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp">http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp</A> -- you just
+</I>&gt;<i> click on the country and it will return the country code) which are
+</I>&gt;<i> btw the ISO country code designations.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Salut Marc :
+
+The canadian postal guidelines say &quot;... to ensure proper processing, the
+country name must be spelled correctly and in full.&quot; It further says
+that the country name can be in English or French (with accents).
+
+see : <A HREF="http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGaddress-e.asp#1383605">http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGaddress-e.asp#1383605</A>
+
+the names in English :
+<A HREF="http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp">http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-e.asp</A>
+in French : <A HREF="http://www.postescanada.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-f.asp">http://www.postescanada.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGintdest-f.asp</A>
+
+It does give the ISO country code along with the recipient country's
+postal regulations, but that is not part of the adresse.
+
+Just in case you ever want to send something internationally ... :)
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+Jiang Yike &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">futureway at asia.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In my opinion, Mageia distro's version can set as 2011.0 (2011
+</I>&gt;<i> Spring) and 2011.1 (2011 Autumn). The secondary version &quot;0&quot; is
+</I>&gt;<i> released in every spring, and the &quot;1&quot; is released in every autumn.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+If we want Mageia to appeal to users worldwide, it would be better
+not to use Spring and Autumn (or any other seasonal) labels - at
+the time of writing we are now enjoying Autumn in the UK,
+but it is Spring in New Zealand :-)
+
+If we go for two releases each year, perhaps they could be 2011.2
+and 2011.4 - a release due in the 2nd quarter of the year, and
+another in the 4th quarter?
+
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we want Mageia to appeal to users worldwide, it would be better
+</I>&gt;<i> not to use Spring and Autumn (or any other seasonal) labels - at
+</I>&gt;<i> the time of writing we are now enjoying Autumn in the UK,
+</I>&gt;<i> but it is Spring in New Zealand :-)
+</I>
+Good point, unfortunately Mandriva always ignored hints like that :)
+
+&gt;<i> If we go for two releases each year, perhaps they could be 2011.2
+</I>&gt;<i> and 2011.4 - a release due in the 2nd quarter of the year, and
+</I>&gt;<i> another in the 4th quarter?
+</I>
+I think such questions should be discussed once the primary question
+about the release system and then secondary question (if there will be
+&quot;normal releases&quot;) about the cycle (6 months, 8 months, etc.) are
+answered.
+--
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+&gt;<i> RPMs for Ubuntu and Debian? WTF?!
+</I>OBS can build RPMs as well as DEBs. Just go out there and inform yourself:
+
+<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/cross_distribution_package_how_to">http://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/cross_distribution_package_how_to</A>
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+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> &gt; RPMs for Ubuntu and Debian? WTF?!
+</I>
+Alien: Install Debian and Slackware Packages with RPM
+
+:<i>)
+</I>--
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+Sympa hacker (<A HREF="http://www.sympa.org/">http://www.sympa.org/</A>)
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+&gt;<i> Le Sun, 10 Oct 2010 11:22:06 +0200,
+</I>&gt;<i> Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; RPMs for Ubuntu and Debian? WTF?!
+</I>Interesting way to quote someone...
+Using my name and mail address to quote, what
+&quot;Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt;&quot; has written...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Alien: Install Debian and Slackware Packages with RPM
+</I>Alien is a tool for converting RPMs to DEBs and vice versa. This may or may
+not work since you are using dynamically linked packages. So using packages
+build for another distro may work if they link against the sam lib versions
+and may not if they link against different lib versions.
+
+OBS is something different. OBS uses virtual machines of the distro it builds
+packages for and so builds more or less &quot;normal&quot; packages for the distro.
+
+Oliver
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+Oliver Burger &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
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+&gt;<i> Alien is a tool for converting RPMs to DEBs and vice versa. This may
+</I>&gt;<i> or may not work since you are using dynamically linked packages. So
+</I>&gt;<i> using packages build for another distro may work if they link against
+</I>&gt;<i> the sam lib versions and may not if they link against different lib
+</I>&gt;<i> versions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OBS is something different. OBS uses virtual machines of the distro
+</I>&gt;<i> it builds packages for and so builds more or less &quot;normal&quot; packages
+</I>&gt;<i> for the distro.
+</I>Thanks for these explanations :)
+
+--
+Sandro Cazzaniga
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+Sympa hacker (<A HREF="http://www.sympa.org/">http://www.sympa.org/</A>)
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+<PRE>Le 09/10/2010 17:09, Adrien Touminet a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hello everyone !
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any plans to make an installer Windows =&gt; Mageia (like wubi
+</I>&gt;<i> for ubuntu) ? Migration would be easier for a newby, so what do you
+</I>&gt;<i> think about that ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cordially
+</I>Hi,
+
+I can just to give my own experience with my PC's company (lenovo T60)
+under Windows Xp.
+==&gt; The administrators had disabled the possibility to boot from USB key
+or DVD-Rom.
+
+The solutions aborded in the differents branch of thread are not
+sufficients. Only an installation based on wubi.exe and the ubuntu 10.04
+iso was possible for have a first installation in a big file on ntfs ...
+but with a dual-boot.
+In second time, I have made my installation directly on the disk
+(without the big file), but I have used for that the dual-boot installed
+with wubi.
+
+So, if you have a solution for install Mageia without a DVD/CD-Rom or
+USB key and directly since an executable played under windows (from
+network other from an non burned iso) ... that's will be great.
+
+Thanks.
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+ <B>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org
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+ <I>Sun Oct 10 21:20:29 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>On Sunday 10 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+ from &quot;Lucien-Henry Horvath&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tempo2 at marneau.eu</A>&gt; who wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> I can just to give my own experience with my PC's company (lenovo T60)
+</I>&gt;<i> under Windows Xp.
+</I>&gt;<i> ==&gt; The administrators had disabled the possibility to boot from USB key
+</I>&gt;<i> or DVD-Rom.
+</I>
+Which may indicate that they do not want you to install anything.
+
+In which case it might be better a,nd safer to ensure that you are not
+breaking company policy by changing OS....
+
+Cheers,
+
+Ron.
+--
+ A man will give up almost anything except his suffering.
+ -- John Cleese
+
+ -- <A HREF="http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org">http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A> --
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<LI><A HREF="002322.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility
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+<I>Oliver Burger
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+<I>Oliver Burger
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+</A><A NAME="2323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
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+<LI><A HREF="002325.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility
+</A><A NAME="2325">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
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+<I>Hoyt Duff
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+<LI><A HREF="002327.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2327">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Juergen Harms
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002326.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
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+<LI><A HREF="002306.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2306">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>R James
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+<LI><A HREF="002308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
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+<LI><A HREF="002309.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility
+</A><A NAME="2309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
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+<LI><A HREF="002311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
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+</A><A NAME="2320">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Margot
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+<LI><A HREF="002310.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
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+<LI><A HREF="002313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
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+<I>Jiang Yike
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+<LI><A HREF="002314.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
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+<I>andr&#233;
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+<I>andr&#233;
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+<I>R James
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+<LI><A HREF="002307.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<LI><A HREF="002308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
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+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
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+<LI><A HREF="002311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
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+<LI><A HREF="002312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
+</A><A NAME="2312">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Jiang Yike
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
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+<LI><A HREF="002314.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
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+<I>andr&#233;
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+<LI><A HREF="002315.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
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+<LI><A HREF="002316.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
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+<I>andr&#233;
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+<I>Margot
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<I>Oliver Burger
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+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
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+<LI><A HREF="002324.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility
+</A><A NAME="2324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
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+<I>R James
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002307.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Hoyt Duff
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+<LI><A HREF="002308.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
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+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
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+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
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+<LI><A HREF="002311.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2311">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002313.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2313">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002326.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2326">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Lucien-Henry Horvath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002328.html">[Mageia-discuss] Install Mageia from Windows
+</A><A NAME="2328">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002314.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2314">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002315.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2315">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002316.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2316">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002317.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2317">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
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+<LI><A HREF="002318.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2318">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002319.html">[Mageia-discuss] IRC community channels - need a ruling from the board
+</A><A NAME="2319">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>andr&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002309.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility
+</A><A NAME="2309">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Andr&#233; Machado
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002322.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility
+</A><A NAME="2322">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002323.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility
+</A><A NAME="2323">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002324.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility
+</A><A NAME="2324">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Oliver Burger
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002325.html">[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility
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+<I>Sandro Cazzaniga
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+<LI><A HREF="002312.html">[Mageia-discuss] Wish List
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+<I>Jiang Yike
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+<I>Margot
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<I>Juergen Harms
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+&gt;<i> In which case it might be better a,nd safer to ensure that you are not
+</I>&gt;<i> breaking company policy by changing OS....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ron.
+</I>It's a IT company ... (SSII in french). So, if needed for customers
+reasons (I need a unix not only in virtualbox because NAT make me
+difficulties), the IT policies can be break for own PC : no problems in
+this side. I'm not realy one of these stupid users who install little
+games on their Windows or search games in flash under IE and risk to
+break the configuration by viruses.
+
+But, break the security policies is not the subject.
+The subject is not to respect the policies of certains companies. If my
+example is not good, look for example laptop like eee PC without DVDrom,
+and no usbkey at 1 miles around. Other this : I was so doom, that I have
+disable the cdrom boot of my own PC, put a password on the bios and
+forget the password ...
+
+
+The subject I want discuss, is to install a dual-boot Xp/Linux without
+any other device than the hard disk of the PC ... and a network connexion.
+- With wubi.exe, I found a good solution.
+- If there is a such solution with Mageia, I take too ;-)
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+Thanks.
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">renaud at olgiati-in-paraguay.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Saturday 09 October 2010, my mailbox was graced by a missive
+</I>&gt;<i> &#160;from Andr&#233; Machado &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">afmachado at dcemail.com</A>&gt; who wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Or maybe we can use an existing application like UnetBootIn or put on CD
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160;some w32 application like Win32ImageWriter.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nothing against putting MS progs on the CD, but do not forget there are people
+</I>&gt;<i> out there who do not have Windows...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> I believe that the imtent was to provide on the disc a freely
+distributable win32 application that could burn a DVD/CD from an ISO
+image since MS Windows lacks that ability natively. In the early days
+of Linux, it was common to see some win16 or DOS apps for
+re-partitioning and so on. The idea is to assist the newbie.
+
+And if you lack MS Windows, you can always use WINE ... 8)
+
+--
+Hoyt
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OBS is something different. OBS uses virtual machines of the distro it builds
+</I>&gt;<i> packages for and so builds more or less &quot;normal&quot; packages for the distro.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I> I'm having trouble finding a download link for a personal install of
+OBS. They claim to offer it; I just can't seem to locate it. Anybody
+have it? Thanks.
+
+--
+Cheers,
+Hoyt
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+&gt;<i> The subject I want discuss, is to install a dual-boot Xp/Linux without
+</I>&gt;<i> any other device than the hard disk of the PC ... and a network connexion.
+</I>&gt;<i> - With wubi.exe, I found a good solution.
+</I>&gt;<i> - If there is a such solution with Mageia, I take too ;-)
+</I>Yes, you can use VMware Player. You only need a network conection, you
+can make a VM and install from an ISO file, it costs nothing and it
+works very well.
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+&gt;<i> On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 15:15 -0700, Lucien-Henry Horvath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The subject I want discuss, is to install a dual-boot Xp/Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> without
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> any other device than the hard disk of the PC ... and a network
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> connexion.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - With wubi.exe, I found a good solution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - If there is a such solution with Mageia, I take too ;-)
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, you can use VMware Player. You only need a network conection,
+</I>&gt;<i> you
+</I>&gt;<i> can make a VM and install from an ISO file, it costs nothing and it
+</I>&gt;<i> works very well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes ...
+But No.
+
+You know as me that a VM in VMware or Virtualbox is not exactly a PC -
+can you use bluetooth or specific tools in your VM for example ? -
+(and at this time I had already installed my Virtualbox, real install
+was the next step).
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+Remember : the objective is have a dual boot. so ...
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+&gt;<i> can you use bluetooth or specific tools in your VM for example ? -
+</I>&gt;<i> (and at this time I had already installed my Virtualbox
+</I>Yes, VMware Player has USB support.
+
+&gt;<i> Remember : the objective is have a dual boot. so ...
+</I>Dual boot is good for playing games on Windows, but you are trying to
+run Linux, so you probably don't need 3D video support. Dual boot is so
+20th century... ;)
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+
+&gt;<i> Yes, VMware Player has USB support.
+</I>
+But don't permit to use the bluetooth or the wifi connection, or the
+integrated pcmcia card of the hardware.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> Remember : the objective is have a dual boot. so ...
+</I>&gt;<i> Dual boot is good for playing games on Windows, but you are trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> run Linux, so you probably don't need 3D video support. Dual boot
+</I>&gt;<i> is so
+</I>&gt;<i> 20th century... ;)
+</I>Because games like chess 3D or Nexuiz or chromium or glest don't run
+better with the last 3d drivers ?
+
+Ok, I use PC since the precedent century, and it's one of the reason
+why I understand the utility of this technic.
+
+That's start in troll. Virtualization, or reasons of dualboot or not,
+are not the subject.
+
+Subject is install a linux on a PC where windows is already
+functionnal with no ability to use an other device than network and
+hard disk.
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+&gt;<i> Le 11 oct. 2010 &#224; 08:01, &quot;herman&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, VMware Player has USB support.
+</I>&gt;<i> But don't permit to use the bluetooth or the wifi connection, or the
+</I>&gt;<i> integrated pcmcia card of the hardware.
+</I>The network connection is via the host, either bridged or NATed. It
+doesn't care whether it is ethernet or WiFi. I have not tried Bluetooth,
+but the networking profile should behave similar. If it works on the
+host, it should work on the VM.
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+question might be a problem of documentation (availability / visibility).
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+Documentation addressed at Windows users who are interested on having a
+go at Linux should be easy to find and high quality. Maybe that is an
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+&gt;<i> Reading this thread, I have the impression that - at least - part of the
+</I>&gt;<i> question might be a problem of documentation (availability / visibility).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Documentation addressed at Windows users who are interested on having a
+</I>&gt;<i> go at Linux should be easy to find and high quality. Maybe that is an
+</I>&gt;<i> issue which the documentation group should pick up. Is there also a
+</I>&gt;<i> technical issue where Mageia - with a reasonable effort - could add to
+</I>&gt;<i> its attractivity?
+</I>
+Yes
+
+Some appealing nice well thought through guidance wold be very good.
+
+Visibly linked from Mageia main page &quot;how to try&quot; leading to a wiki page with
+short intros of LiveCD/USB, and installation methods for VM, whole disk,
+dual boot or, as suggested, some method to install into a loopmounted file
+like wubi. Or methods to use a USB stick or drive, like
+<A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=130007">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=130007</A>
+
+
+...With links going further to one page per method.
+
+Also the installation instructions should also be *in pdf* so the user can
+print them out and read then while he is installing...!
+-Including how to connect to internet after install!
+
+Not to forget, i think a nice section about how to choose method is very
+important, like how to tell if his system can boot on CD or USB and remedy
+that (BIOS setting), and pros and cons (i.e speed, compatibility...)
+
+BTW, googling Wubi, it looks very good, but i would still prefer running from
+CD or USB stick (for persistence) if i was a careful person trying Linux
+first time.
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+<PRE>Le 11/10/2010 09:01, Lucien-Henry Horvath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le 11 oct. 2010 &#224; 08:01, &quot;herman&quot; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">herman at aeronetworks.ca</A>&gt; a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, VMware Player has USB support.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But don't permit to use the bluetooth or the wifi connection, or the
+</I>&gt;<i> integrated pcmcia card of the hardware.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Remember : the objective is have a dual boot. so ...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Dual boot is good for playing games on Windows, but you are trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> run Linux, so you probably don't need 3D video support. Dual boot is so
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 20th century... ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> Because games like chess 3D or Nexuiz or chromium or glest don't run
+</I>&gt;<i> better with the last 3d drivers ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ok, I use PC since the precedent century, and it's one of the reason
+</I>&gt;<i> why I understand the utility of this technic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I'm an IT trainer, I've been searching for a long time, solutions for
+improving my ecologist side ,fed up with burning medias. ;) (saving
+time, expansive...)
+&gt;<i> That's start in troll. Virtualization, or reasons of dualboot or not,
+</I>&gt;<i> are not the subject.
+</I>right
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject is install a linux on a PC where windows is already
+</I>&gt;<i> functionnal with no ability to use an other device than network and
+</I>&gt;<i> hard disk.
+</I>Then I found alternatives:
+1) on my network I used mdv and drakpxelinux in less than 15 minutes to
+set up my DHCP/PXE/NFS server, but had to tweak config file, cause GUI
+is MDV-centric (of course) which ask for and initrd image file (memstest
+doesn't need), in order to create an entry.
+So now I can boot any computer on LAN which can boot over network (PXE) to:
+ - install MDV 2010.1
+ - run MemTest86+
+ - start within 3 minutes Ubuntu 10.04 Desktop (Trying this week to do
+either with MDV one...)
+I'd like to write a tut on it, soon, waiting for *documentation team*
+starts
+
+2) take a loot at <A HREF="http://goodbye-microsoft.com/">http://goodbye-microsoft.com/</A> which provide gNewSense
+using Debian-Installer loader.
+May be we need to think about such a tool for Mageia project ?
+
+LLTM (Long Life To Mageia)
+Regards,
+
+Mehdi
+
+--
+
+Mehdi Hadjard (a.k.a neggwada)
+French Speaking Users Community
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+
+Can we translate the Mageia Values at <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/values/">http://mageia.org/en/about/values/</A> ?
+Many thanks in advance.
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
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+&gt;<i> Dear all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we translate the Mageia Values at <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/values/">http://mageia.org/en/about/values/</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Many thanks in advance.
+</I>
+Yes, as proposed on mageia-i18n mailing-list. Please send html file to
+be published
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+</I>&gt;<i> Romanian Translation Team
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Anne
+<A HREF="http://www.mageia.org">http://www.mageia.org</A>
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+&gt;<i> Dear all,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can we translate the Mageia Values at <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/values/">http://mageia.org/en/about/values/</A> ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Many thanks in advance.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+</I>&gt;<i> Romanian Translation Team
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You should subscribe to the mageia-i18n mailing list
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n">https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-i18n</A>
+(as Anne said in the email preceding mine, an announcement was sent to
+the -i18n ML).
+
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+&gt;<i> I'd like to write a tut on it, soon, waiting for &#160;*documentation team*
+</I>&gt;<i> starts
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Don't wait. Write it up now
+
+And having to work around a requirement for initrd.img should be
+reported as a bug (you -should- be able to easily opt out of the
+requirement).
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+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 8:32 AM, hmehdia &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hmehdia at 9online.fr</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'd like to write a tut on it, soon, waiting for &#160;*documentation team*
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> starts
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And having to work around a requirement for initrd.img should be
+</I>&gt;<i> reported as a bug (you -should- be able to easily opt out of the
+</I>&gt;<i> requirement).
+</I>
+But isn't following such a tutorial which even mentions the command
+line a contradiction to the task at hand?
+
+Why is this &quot;Installing under Windows&quot; in this discussion here? Right:
+to make it even easier for the Windows user to look at Mageia without
+too much sweat. Now you are talking about something which may send the
+poor Windows guy screaming, or rather throw it into the waste,
+murmuring something like, &quot;Just as I thought, geek stuff!&quot;.
+
+But, in general I'm not a friend of this anyway. The WIndows user has
+to shut down his Windows and boot into a new world. That makes him one
+more time aware that Linux is not just another Windows.
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+ <B>Bruno Mah&#233;</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] rpm compatibility">bruno at bmahe.net
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+On 10/10/2010 03:41 PM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OBS is something different. OBS uses virtual machines of the distro it builds
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> packages for and so builds more or less &quot;normal&quot; packages for the distro.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm having trouble finding a download link for a personal install of
+</I>&gt;<i> OBS. They claim to offer it; I just can't seem to locate it. Anybody
+</I>&gt;<i> have it? Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+These links may help you:
+<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance</A>
+<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation</A>
+<A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service">http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service</A>
+
+All the code is located on gitorious here:
+<A HREF="http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service">http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service</A>
+
+They also do build packages using their own instance of OBS:
+<A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
+
+Thanks,
+Bruno
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash">morgan at tribun.eu
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+<PRE>Maybe we should early try to make an iso targeted to be placed on a USB stick
+to be booted and run from, and also have storage on the stick.
+
+Both for us to try betas etc, and for newbies to try.
+
+And a tool to make the stick would be optimal, perfect if working under
+MSWindows. (choose settings, partition, format and place image file)
+
+Maybe even two image versions, minimal (i.e LXDE) and large.
+
+Then maybe a tool on the stick to install to disk.
+
+
+--
+Morgan Leijstr&#246;m, Tribun AB,
+Esper&#246;d H&#228;llek&#229;s, 27735 Kivik, Sweden
+Phone: +46 (0)414 446620
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+&gt;<i> Nothing against putting MS progs on the CD, but do not forget there are people
+</I>&gt;<i> out there who do not have Windows...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't have Windows, anyway. My intent is help winusers to try Mageia. Much
+distros, like Slackware, came with Win Applications to this end. Old versions of
+Conectiva and Red Hat, too.
+
+Think that a user wants to create a bootable Mageia pendrive to install the
+system in him netbook. What is more cheap? Instruct him to find and download a
+Windows application to make this task or say: &quot;You can use program xxx that is
+in wintools folder at installation disk?&quot;.
+
+Slackware, nowadays, came with Smart Boot Manager, a floppy disk boot manager to
+start computer from any drive, even it don't be recognized as bootable by BIOS
+and a lot of RawWrite to write it to a floppy. Of course we need not reach this
+point, but I think that installation / live disk must provide everything what
+user will nedd.
+
+Moreover, these applications are usually not very large.
+
+
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+ <I>Tue Oct 12 03:53:24 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Agree, but would be possible if we shipt an Windows EXE that, when executed,
+extract an Mageia Qemu image with Qemu already configurated and created a
+shortcut to run the OS inside this virtualization tool when clicked?
+
+I suggested Qemu because it's free, althought I know isn't the better. I
+remember that in early 2000s there was a distro called WinLinux that ran inside
+Windows, like a program.
+
+<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinLinux">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinLinux</A>
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+<PRE>Another idea triggered by watching the discussions on Mageia-discuss -
+immediately triggered by &quot;Install Mageia from Windows&quot;, but also by the
+observation that Mageia-discuss&quot; is a very noisy mixture of highly
+specialised discussions and general considerations (a similar reflection
+may also pertain to high-level forums).
+
+My suggestion addresses topics that pop up from an original observation,
+have several +1 comments, and then trigger a discussion on details +
+require work to be done; but only sum few involved people participate in
+this follow-up (&quot;noise&quot; for most everybody else). I do not think that
+such a working party is a good general concept for &quot;noise-reduction&quot; in
+discussion list or a forum - but I think that it may be a valuable
+concept once such a discussion involves work and requires some people to
+roll up their shirt sleeves in a somewhat organised way.
+
+I think that the &quot;Install Mageia from Windows&quot; issue is a typical
+example for what could be very efficiently dealt with by a small ad-hoc
+working party - some few people who elaborate the issue in a -
+temporarily private - discussion, but than bring the results (or reason
+why there are no results) back to the list (the forum). That would be in
+complement to the Mageia teams - which address a far broader list of
+tasks (Install Mageia from Windows also illustrates that such a topic
+might cross the border of Mageia teams - some added value to the idea of
+a working party). And, I think, working this way may be fun.
+
+Some embroidery around how such working parties might work:
+- their principal aim should be to work out concepts / proposals that
+improve the end-user value of Mageia;
+- their work should be complementary to what the established Mageia
+structures do (Mageia teams, the cooker-follow-up, etc);
+- they should be self-organised (off-load work from the established
+structures; in one extreme using a private mailing list for
+communication, in the other extreme use a temporarily maintained sub-forum)
+- they should work under the umbrella of Mageia (the work should in
+relation to topics raised in Mageia mailing lists and forums, Mageia
+should be kept informed; Mageia might formulate some general guidelines
+to be respected in order to accept the working party under the label of
+Mageia).
+
+The immediate answer to my suggestion will probably be &quot;why dont you?&quot;:
+I am not sufficiently knowledgeable about Windows and migration from
+windows.
+
+Maybe I am proposing a solution for a once-only problem - than throw it
+away. But I think there are other topics where such working parties
+could generate profitable (to Mageia) results, maybe even ideas for
+topics might be triggered once the concept exists.
+
+I think that this is something where a &quot;community distro&quot; has some trump
+cards to play.
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+&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>
+That's an excellent point that indeed, complements teams, for
+cross-displinary works and experiments.
+
+&gt;<i> Some embroidery around how such working parties might work:
+</I>&gt;<i> - their principal aim should be to work out concepts / proposals that
+</I>&gt;<i> improve the end-user value of Mageia;
+</I>&gt;<i> - their work should be complementary to what the established Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> structures do (Mageia teams, the cooker-follow-up, etc);
+</I>&gt;<i> - they should be self-organised (off-load work from the established
+</I>&gt;<i> structures; in one extreme using a private mailing list for communication,
+</I>&gt;<i> in the other extreme use a temporarily maintained sub-forum)
+</I>&gt;<i> - they should work under the umbrella of Mageia (the work should in relation
+</I>&gt;<i> to topics raised in Mageia mailing lists and forums, Mageia should be kept
+</I>&gt;<i> informed; Mageia might formulate some general guidelines to be respected in
+</I>&gt;<i> order to accept the working party under the label of Mageia).
+</I>
+So that would be coordinated by/reported to the Mageia Council then.
+
+There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+of practice.
+
+Would be good/obvious for Mageia.org to provide tools for that, but
+indeed, letting these groups experiment with unused, outside tools is
+a good opportunity as well.
+
+As for the &quot;Install from Windows&quot; thing, that could be a start, but
+(these are general points anyway):
+ - before, or while building this work group, you have to assess the
+value of having an Linux installer from Windows; that is, goal is not
+to make a &quot;me too&quot; installer; goal is to understand why/if there needs
+to be a Linux installer from Windows in the first place and if there
+is a user-benefit of having one on the large scale and in the user
+flow (that is, as several pointed out in the thread, isn't this more
+like a &quot;fast&quot; answer to a problem that has not been thought deeply
+enough?) =&gt; in short, what problem does this solve? is it really the
+problem? is it really a good solution?
+ - for instance, is it to fully replace the system? dual boot? user to
+decide? will the user be properly reassured about the process, her
+data and really understand what is going to happen?
+ - note that this is not to discourage, it's to test the idea;
+moreover, there can be other benefits from working on a Windows-based
+Linux installer (if ever): knowledge, inter-systems operatins, doc,
+skills;
+ - volunteers should spec this (a short one will do), what they expect
+to demonstrate as a proof-of-concept (working program, user flow
+project), build the work group (for instance here, will likely need a
+Windows system developer at least), focus and then go ahead.
+
+
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-12 04:54, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:17, Juergen Harms&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Juergen.Harms at unige.ch</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's an excellent point that indeed, complements teams, for
+</I>&gt;<i> cross-displinary works and experiments.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some embroidery around how such working parties might work:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - their principal aim should be to work out concepts / proposals that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> improve the end-user value of Mageia;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - their work should be complementary to what the established Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> structures do (Mageia teams, the cooker-follow-up, etc);
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - they should be self-organised (off-load work from the established
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> structures; in one extreme using a private mailing list for communication,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> in the other extreme use a temporarily maintained sub-forum)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - they should work under the umbrella of Mageia (the work should in relation
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to topics raised in Mageia mailing lists and forums, Mageia should be kept
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> informed; Mageia might formulate some general guidelines to be respected in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> order to accept the working party under the label of Mageia).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So that would be coordinated by/reported to the Mageia Council then.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+</I>&gt;<i> working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+</I>&gt;<i> archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+</I>&gt;<i> of practice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Would be good/obvious for Mageia.org to provide tools for that, but
+</I>&gt;<i> indeed, letting these groups experiment with unused, outside tools is
+</I>&gt;<i> a good opportunity as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As for the &quot;Install from Windows&quot; thing, that could be a start, but
+</I>&gt;<i> (these are general points anyway):
+</I>&gt;<i> - before, or while building this work group, you have to assess the
+</I>&gt;<i> value of having an Linux installer from Windows; that is, goal is not
+</I>&gt;<i> to make a &quot;me too&quot; installer; goal is to understand why/if there needs
+</I>&gt;<i> to be a Linux installer from Windows in the first place and if there
+</I>&gt;<i> is a user-benefit of having one on the large scale and in the user
+</I>&gt;<i> flow (that is, as several pointed out in the thread, isn't this more
+</I>&gt;<i> like a &quot;fast&quot; answer to a problem that has not been thought deeply
+</I>&gt;<i> enough?) =&gt; in short, what problem does this solve? is it really the
+</I>&gt;<i> problem? is it really a good solution?
+</I>&gt;<i> - for instance, is it to fully replace the system? dual boot? user to
+</I>&gt;<i> decide? will the user be properly reassured about the process, her
+</I>&gt;<i> data and really understand what is going to happen?
+</I>&gt;<i> - note that this is not to discourage, it's to test the idea;
+</I>&gt;<i> moreover, there can be other benefits from working on a Windows-based
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux installer (if ever): knowledge, inter-systems operatins, doc,
+</I>&gt;<i> skills;
+</I>&gt;<i> - volunteers should spec this (a short one will do), what they expect
+</I>&gt;<i> to demonstrate as a proof-of-concept (working program, user flow
+</I>&gt;<i> project), build the work group (for instance here, will likely need a
+</I>&gt;<i> Windows system developer at least), focus and then go ahead.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just in case you are not aware, there is a survey on the discuss list
+trying to collect this particular data. You may want to add your input
+to the survey. Look for the thread: &quot;[tdf-discuss] Survey|Opinion -
+LibreOffice Install and Update&quot; where some users have already raised
+these points.
+
+Marc
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just in case you are not aware, there is a survey on the discuss list
+</I>&gt;<i> trying to collect this particular data. You may want to add your input
+</I>&gt;<i> to the survey. Look for the thread: &quot;[tdf-discuss] Survey|Opinion -
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice Install and Update&quot; where some users have already raised
+</I>&gt;<i> these points.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Oops! Too early in the morning and haven't had my coffee. Sorry, there
+is no such survey for our group, it's a survey being done on the
+LibreOffice discuss list that is, coincidentally, talking about the same
+issues.
+
+Sorry about that. I am getting my coffee right now!
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>On 10/12/2010 10:54 AM, Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+</I>&gt;<i> working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+</I>&gt;<i> archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+</I>&gt;<i> of practice.
+</I>
+Sure - I did not want to drown the suggestion in too much
+administration-mindedenes. The minimum to require would probably be
+
+- to draft a very short summary on what the WP wants to achieve (some
+kind of terms of reference - if you have formulated what you want to do,
+you have prepared a solid base for the work),
+
+- to have a clearly defined figurehead (party-leader) who has the role
+of maintaining communication with the Council,
+
+- and maybe to fix a deadline for a first feedback to the Council on
+what is happening (to avoid having open-ended activities hanging around).
+
+As you say: iron out of practice - try one or 2 projects, learn from the
+experience and use that as the base for defining the rules of the game.
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+ <B>Sinner from the Prairy</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] How about launching &quot;Mageia working parties&quot;?">sinnerbofh at gmail.com
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+</I>&gt;<i> working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+</I>&gt;<i> archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+</I>&gt;<i> of practice.
+</I>
+The idea of ad-hoc work teams (&quot;Mageia Commandos&quot;) sounds good.
+
+Only one comment, though.
+
+I like more the &quot;show me the code&quot; approach:
+
+* someone has an idea
+* a group spontaneously forms and starts working on the idea, without rigid
+formal designation
+* when they start producing some result, then is the time to formally
+integrate the work group into Mageia's &quot;mainstream&quot;.
+
+
+My 2 cents
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 13:40, Sinner from the Prairy
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">sinnerbofh at gmail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There needs to be some sort of formal designation (to know who is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> working with whom and on what) as well as progress/final reporting and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> archives of discussions or results. But that's something to iron out
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of practice.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The idea of ad-hoc work teams (&quot;Mageia Commandos&quot;) sounds good.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Only one comment, though.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like more the &quot;show me the code&quot; approach:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> * someone has an idea
+</I>&gt;<i> * a group spontaneously forms and starts working on the idea, without rigid
+</I>&gt;<i> formal designation
+</I>&gt;<i> * when they start producing some result, then is the time to formally
+</I>&gt;<i> integrate the work group into Mageia's &quot;mainstream&quot;.
+</I>
+Of course, but that happens everywhere, at anytime anyway. There's
+nothing against that. And nothing specific to Mageia.
+
+Here, it's not being rigid, it's publishing/documenting the current
+work (that may take 1 night or 3 months to run): who does it, what
+ideas are in/out, what are the expected outcomes, unknowns, needs,
+what will need to be improved, etc.
+
+Note that it's not because a group completed something that it _will_
+fit into &quot;mainstream&quot;. It may as well come to a conclusion that it's
+just not a fit, or that it will be used in some other area or
+differently, or... anything. Anyway, there would be a track,
+documents, code, designs, drafts.
+
+Romain
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+&gt;<i> Anyway, there would be a track,
+</I>&gt;<i> documents, code, designs, drafts.
+</I>
+Yes
+
+Other see what is being and has been done, thus
+a) Avoiding double work
+b) Adapting other parts to fit/integrate
+c) Get ideas
+
+It should be searchable somehow
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+(...)
+&gt;<i> Here, it's not being rigid, it's publishing/documenting the current
+</I>&gt;<i> work (that may take 1 night or 3 months to run): who does it, what
+</I>&gt;<i> ideas are in/out, what are the expected outcomes, unknowns, needs,
+</I>&gt;<i> what will need to be improved, etc.
+</I>(...)
+
+Thanks for the clarification.
+
+
+Salut,
+Sinner
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+
+The Association of French-speaking Mandrivalinux users ( AUFML, Association des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux, <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> ) will have a booth at the Free Software Days ( JDLL, Journ&#233;es du Logiciel Libre, <A HREF="http://www.jdll.org">http://www.jdll.org</A> ), in Lyon, France, on October 14th, 15th and 16th.
+
+We chose to represent both Mandriva Linux and Mageia. However, you probably guess that most of us are more interested in Mageia, and we think that people there will also be interested in it. We hope to be able to talk about this project to many people and convince some of them to try Mageia's first release when it's ready, or better yet to contribute.
+
+We prepared some materials (in French) :
+ - colourful flyer with a quick explanation, FAQ's extracts, useful links, and some logos from the flick collection :
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf</A>
+ - the text from mageia.org/fr :
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_(2pages">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_(2pages</A>).pdf
+ - bordeaux poster (wine's color, we're not far from Beaujolais :)) :
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf</A>
+
+We'll try to report back after the event :)
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+<PRE>Samuel,
+
+Am i allowed placing your message into the Dutch Mandriva-forum? (
+mandrivaclub.nl)
+
+Thanks in advance,
+
+Isadora
+
+2010/10/12 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> Hello everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The Association of French-speaking Mandrivalinux users ( AUFML, Association
+</I>&gt;<i> des Utilisateurs Francophones de Mandriva Linux, <A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org">http://mandrivafr.org</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i> will have a booth at the Free Software Days ( JDLL, Journ&#233;es du Logiciel
+</I>&gt;<i> Libre, <A HREF="http://www.jdll.org">http://www.jdll.org</A> ), in Lyon, France, on October 14th, 15th and
+</I>&gt;<i> 16th.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We chose to represent both Mandriva Linux and Mageia. However, you probably
+</I>&gt;<i> guess that most of us are more interested in Mageia, and we think that
+</I>&gt;<i> people there will also be interested in it. We hope to be able to talk about
+</I>&gt;<i> this project to many people and convince some of them to try Mageia's first
+</I>&gt;<i> release when it's ready, or better yet to contribute.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We prepared some materials (in French) :
+</I>&gt;<i> - colourful flyer with a quick explanation, FAQ's extracts, useful links,
+</I>&gt;<i> and some logos from the flick collection :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.pdf</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> - the text from mageia.org/fr :
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_(2pages">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_(2pages</A>).pdf&lt;<A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_%282pages%29.pdf">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract_1b_Mageia_%282pages%29.pdf</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> - bordeaux poster (wine's color, we're not far from Beaujolais :)) :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf">http://www.mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/mageia%20bordeaux.pdf</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We'll try to report back after the event :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
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+Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 10:29:13, isadora a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Samuel,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Am i allowed placing your message into the Dutch Mandriva-forum? (
+</I>&gt;<i> mandrivaclub.nl)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks in advance,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+(note : on mailing lists it's better to reply below the text, not above :))
+
+Yes you can put this message on the Dutch forum if you want. Can I ask why ? :)
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel Verschelde
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+ <B>isadora</B>
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+<PRE>People are interested, but also a bit reserved, where it comes to Mageia.
+I try to keep them interested, because i think it is going to lead
+somewhere.
+It is good to let them know, there are all kind of activities on right now.
+
+Thanks for your quick reply.
+
+Isadora
+
+2010/10/13 Samuel Verschelde &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">stormi at laposte.net</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 10:29:13, isadora a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Samuel,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Am i allowed placing your message into the Dutch Mandriva-forum? (
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mandrivaclub.nl)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Thanks in advance,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Isadora
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (note : on mailing lists it's better to reply below the text, not above :))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes you can put this message on the Dutch forum if you want. Can I ask why
+</I>&gt;<i> ? :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel Verschelde
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+--
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+ <B>Olivier M&#233;jean</B>
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 13 octobre 2010 10:42:54, isadora a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> People are interested, but also a bit reserved, where it comes to Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> I try to keep them interested, because i think it is going to lead
+</I>&gt;<i> somewhere.
+</I>&gt;<i> It is good to let them know, there are all kind of activities on right now.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for your quick reply.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Samuel gives the link to the pdf, but he forgot to give the link to the sla :
+
+<A HREF="http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.sla">http://mandrivafr.org/dossiers/association/Mageia/tract09.sla</A>
+
+it requires scribus 1.3.6. I guess with layer it would be possible to create a
+multilanguage file and export just the language required. I can do it if i get
+translations of the texts
+
+Olivier
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+ <B>Lucas.Betschart at crypto.ch</B>
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+I've got a boring job and nothing to do xD
+So, is there anything I can do right now for the Mageia-Project?
+
+I've not added myself yet to the wiki-list.. I don't have much skills (bit Perl &amp; C Programming, translate english-german) and at my workplace I can't install programms and port 80 is blocked..
+
+But maybe there is anything knowbody wants to do and I'm able to do^^
+Any work for me?
+
+
+Freundliche Gr&#252;sse
+
+Lucas Betschart
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hi,
+
+as Mageia core values have been published (<A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/values/">http://mageia.org/en/about/values/</A> ),
+we adjusted the artwork guidelines for the new identity.
+
+Thanks for all the amazing work you've already done from the very start.
+
+Now you have until october 28th 2010 to carry on and express your creativity.
+
+Please refer to the artwork guidelines for more information:
+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A>
+
+Just remind that we need a logo that:
+ - can identify directly Mageia Project
+ - may symbolize one or all Mageia values
+ - does not refer to existing brand
+ - fits the guidelines mentionned on the wiki page
+
+You can now define or refine your proposal and submit it on the flickr gallery
+<A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/</A>
+
+Caroline Garlatti (Caro) will lead and coordinate the logo selection with
+the founders board and the marketing/communication teams (contact
+info at the bottom of the guidelines page).
+
+Thanks again for all the invaluable insights.
+
+Cheers!
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Graham Lauder</B>
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 13 Oct 2010 23:22:31 Romain d'Alverny wrote:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> as Mageia core values have been published
+</I>&gt;<i> (<A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/values/">http://mageia.org/en/about/values/</A> ), we adjusted the artwork guidelines
+</I>&gt;<i> for the new identity.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for all the amazing work you've already done from the very start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now you have until october 28th 2010 to carry on and express your
+</I>&gt;<i> creativity.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please refer to the artwork guidelines for more information:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=artguide</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just remind that we need a logo that:
+</I>&gt;<i> - can identify directly Mageia Project
+</I>&gt;<i> - may symbolize one or all Mageia values
+</I>&gt;<i> - does not refer to existing brand
+</I>&gt;<i> - fits the guidelines mentionned on the wiki page
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can now define or refine your proposal and submit it on the flickr
+</I>&gt;<i> gallery <A HREF="http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/">http://www.flickr.com/groups/mageia-art/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Caroline Garlatti (Caro) will lead and coordinate the logo selection with
+</I>&gt;<i> the founders board and the marketing/communication teams (contact
+</I>&gt;<i> info at the bottom of the guidelines page).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks again for all the invaluable insights.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>
+Can I request a pause on this, from a marketing POV we need to finalise
+branding elements including Pallet, a marketing plan, identifying target
+markets and finish the vision and mission. All of these will influence the
+design. Also the logo is an isolated element in the overall branding. Any
+competition should include all of these elements such as:
+
+Color Pallet
+Title Font Face
+Text Font Font Face
+Logo
+Logo positioning and surround
+Header design
+Banners
+Favicon
+Letterheads
+
+None of these can be designed in isolation, there is still quite a bit of work
+to do before we get to this point.
+
+However having said all that, all of the above can be worked in grayscale and
+I would definitely like to see some pallet suggestions including the target
+demographic the pallet is aimed at. Also the elements in place in their
+intended environment, from posters and event banners and letterheads and
+stationery right down to website favicon.
+
+cheers
+GL
+
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Can I request a pause on this, from a marketing POV we need to finalise
+</I>&gt;<i> branding elements including Pallet, &#160;a marketing plan, identifying target
+</I>&gt;<i> markets and finish the vision and mission. &#160;All of these will influence the
+</I>&gt;<i> design. &#160;Also the logo is an isolated element in the overall branding. &#160;Any
+</I>&gt;<i> competition should include all of these elements such as:
+</I>
+While I regard this careful &quot;step-by-step&quot; approach as the right way
+to face the task I still am not in the same boat regarding this
+&quot;target market&quot; restriction. It is a restriction because selecting one
+target automaticlly de-selects everything else. Of course you can't
+please everybody so the logo will definitely not draw attention of one
+group while it will be perfect for other groups. But the tighter you
+define a &quot;target market&quot;, the smaller is the group you will reach with
+such a selection and the larger is the group which you do not reach.
+
+A good example was the Tux with stars in his eyes, the main symbol of
+the LE2005 version of Mandrakelinux. It was meant for a special target
+market (which was delighted!) and at the same time did severe damage
+to the distribution because it totally missed other markets. It's an
+extreme example how you can do totally wrong while thinking you are
+following a &quot;target&quot; strategy.
+
+--
+wobo
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+&gt;<i> 2010/10/13 Graham Lauder&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Can I request a pause on this, from a marketing POV we need to finalise
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> branding elements including Pallet, a marketing plan, identifying target
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> markets and finish the vision and mission. All of these will influence the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> design. Also the logo is an isolated element in the overall branding. Any
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> competition should include all of these elements such as:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> While I regard this careful &quot;step-by-step&quot; approach as the right way
+</I>&gt;<i> to face the task I still am not in the same boat regarding this
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;target market&quot; restriction. It is a restriction because selecting one
+</I>&gt;<i> target automaticlly de-selects everything else. Of course you can't
+</I>&gt;<i> please everybody so the logo will definitely not draw attention of one
+</I>&gt;<i> group while it will be perfect for other groups. But the tighter you
+</I>&gt;<i> define a &quot;target market&quot;, the smaller is the group you will reach with
+</I>&gt;<i> such a selection and the larger is the group which you do not reach.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A good example was the Tux with stars in his eyes, the main symbol of
+</I>&gt;<i> the LE2005 version of Mandrakelinux. It was meant for a special target
+</I>&gt;<i> market (which was delighted!) and at the same time did severe damage
+</I>&gt;<i> to the distribution because it totally missed other markets. It's an
+</I>&gt;<i> extreme example how you can do totally wrong while thinking you are
+</I>&gt;<i> following a &quot;target&quot; strategy.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Wolfgang:
+
+I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is
+that the marketing/communications committee is working through steps
+that lead to branding suggestions. We are almost done with the
+groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and
+presenting our suggestions.
+
+This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
+overall flavour of the Mageia brand. We just need a little more time to
+finalize our work. We are almost there.
+
+Marc
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is that
+</I>&gt;<i> the marketing/communications committee is working through steps that lead to
+</I>&gt;<i> branding suggestions. We are almost done with the groundwork and holding off
+</I>&gt;<i> a bit would help us in completing and presenting our suggestions.
+</I>
+As I wrote I do agree as well.
+
+&gt;<i> This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
+</I>&gt;<i> overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>
+Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I
+did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will
+be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive
+while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;, whenever that will be.
+I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive
+targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like, basing the procedure on
+demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-13 13:39, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/13 Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is that
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the marketing/communications committee is working through steps that lead to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> branding suggestions. We are almost done with the groundwork and holding off
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a bit would help us in completing and presenting our suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I wrote I do agree as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I
+</I>&gt;<i> did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will
+</I>&gt;<i> be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive
+</I>&gt;<i> while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;, whenever that will be.
+</I>&gt;<i> I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive
+</I>&gt;<i> targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like, basing the procedure on
+</I>&gt;<i> demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Wolfgang.
+
+Your concerns have been well received. Just keep reminding us of this. I
+think &quot;targeting groups&quot; campaign can be better described as projects to
+enlarge the Mageia family branches. It is not, in any way, meant to
+dilute the main vision behind the Mageia project. In my opinion the
+Mageia distro should be seen as an &quot;open arms and welcoming distro&quot;
+rather than a &quot;crossed arms and restrictive distro&quot;.
+
+Marc
+
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+ <B>Margot</B>
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+Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/13 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; point) is that the marketing/communications committee is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; working through steps that lead to branding suggestions. We are
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; almost done with the groundwork and holding off a bit would
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; help us in completing and presenting our suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I wrote I do agree as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but the overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may
+</I>&gt;<i> be I did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when
+</I>&gt;<i> this will be done but rather voice another warning about being
+</I>&gt;<i> too restrictive while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> whenever that will be. I still remember the previous discussion
+</I>&gt;<i> about such restrictive targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like,
+</I>&gt;<i> basing the procedure on demographic statistics of certain parts
+</I>&gt;<i> of the world.
+</I>
+Our target market should be &quot;current and future Linux users
+worldwide, male and female, aged 0 upwards&quot;.
+
+--
+Margot
+~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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+&gt;<i> On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 19:39:32 +0200
+</I>&gt;<i> Wolfgang Bornath&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/13 Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> point) is that the marketing/communications committee is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> working through steps that lead to branding suggestions. We are
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> almost done with the groundwork and holding off a bit would
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> help us in completing and presenting our suggestions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I wrote I do agree as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> but the overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be I did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> this will be done but rather voice another warning about being
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> too restrictive while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> whenever that will be. I still remember the previous discussion
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> about such restrictive targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> basing the procedure on demographic statistics of certain parts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the world.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Our target market should be &quot;current and future Linux users
+</I>&gt;<i> worldwide, male and female, aged 0 upwards&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yay! I fit in this range! :-)
+
+Marc
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+&gt;<i> Our target market should be &quot;current and future Linux users
+</I>&gt;<i> worldwide, male and female, aged 0 upwards&quot;.
+</I>Are you being excessively opportunistic or not opportunistic at all?
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+I wish that the 'Release Naming Scheme' could be isolated to a separate
+Thread, because wish-list suggestions for software are becoming buried.
+But I have thoughts on this topic, here they are:
+
+I think that the primary &quot;attractions&quot; of a Year-based naming scheme
+(2011.0, 2011.1, etc.) are (A) the fact that Mandriva has been using it
+for many years; (B) the marketing advantage of a name which
+[i]automatically[/i] indicates the software to be new and sexy, &quot;this
+year's model&quot;; and (C) the fact that still provides a relatively simple
+way to sort RPMs by Release. But I strongly, [b]strongly[/b] dislike the
+notion of skipping digits to indicate a &quot;Month&quot; or &quot;Quarter&quot; of the
+Release. Too tricky, too obscure, and leaves everyone wondering &quot;did I
+miss something&quot;?
+
+In contrast, The Fedora Method is really, really good: Ultra-easy sorting
+and string-based selection; no embarrassing indication that you're &quot;late&quot;
+in finalizing your Release. And so, unless matching Mandriva RPM names is
+really important, I suggest to follow the examples of Fedora and
+Microsoft: Use whole numbers, they're ultra-simple.
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+<I>Graham Lauder
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+<PRE>On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/13 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that the marketing/communications committee is working through steps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that lead to branding suggestions. We are almost done with the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; presenting our suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I wrote I do agree as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I
+</I>&gt;<i> did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will
+</I>&gt;<i> be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive
+</I>&gt;<i> while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;, whenever that will be.
+</I>&gt;<i> I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive
+</I>&gt;<i> targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like, basing the procedure on
+</I>&gt;<i> demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.
+</I>
+
+Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because it's
+like talking to a brick wall and actually you proved my point about target
+markets by suggesting the vast and incalculable differences between Germany
+and the rest of the OECD.
+
+However, you still stubbornly hold to the view that somehow, by a piece of
+grand magic that nobody else in the business world has ever managed to do,
+unless they are a monopoly, we can come up with something that suits everyone
+in the world of all ages. Tell us what that secret is because you'll be able
+to sell it for millions. Usually the people who say this are in reality saying
+&quot;Everybody in MY demographic&quot;
+
+The reality is: We are going into a saturated market, there are hundreds of
+distros out there, the successful ones have identified their target markets
+and branded to that market, The major competitor works effectively in a
+Monopolistic atmosphere while still spending $US500 million annually on
+marketing and you think they don't target markets!
+
+We have been working on publishing the Core Values over the past week or so,
+that immediately defines a market in and of itself.
+
+The families market suggestion was one that came to me because of personal
+experience in my business in that my most successful instances of selling
+linux have (after studying results) been in a family environment where the
+small network support model was functioning.
+
+Now in my market then the target would be the Mothers, in Germany, according
+to your analysis, the Fathers, in each of these markets the upshot of success
+is 2.4 users, or possibly more if you count 3 generations (Or whatever your
+average family size wherever you are) and an instant local support network
+(MS's greatest strength).
+
+The point is the suggestion was made giving due consideration to a pile of
+factors including maintaining user base, aka: Brand Loyalty (Kevin Roberts, of
+Saatchis calls 'Building Love Brands' and he often cites Apple as an
+example).
+
+Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not. Apple's
+target is young, high disposable income, singles. To me that's obvious and I
+could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot; ???? naturally
+by someone in that demographic.
+
+Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.
+
+We need to get on with it and no matter what there is an absolute given:
+
+&quot;You cannot please all of the people all of the time&quot;
+
+
+Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or even
+identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic positive
+alternatives will be well received.
+
+Cheers
+GL
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+I'm with wobo and Margot here, I fear this 'targeting' will simply result
+in restricting our potential user-base (i.e. rather than attracting more
+users it will turn off many users).
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+&gt;<i> I'm with wobo and Margot here, I fear this 'targeting' will simply result
+</I>&gt;<i> in restricting our potential user-base (i.e. rather than attracting more
+</I>&gt;<i> users it will turn off many users).
+</I>
+It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to try
+to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer to be the
+best we can be to those who grow to love the brand.
+
+All linux distributions at the moment have a less than 1.5% of the total
+market, however in the area where they have targeted a particular user set,
+Webservers, the market penetration is somewhere around the 65% mark.
+
+That's the difference. In these days of online build services there is
+arguably no reason that we could not create different package sets on
+different media for different markets and completely different branding for
+each set.
+
+How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number of
+computer users and you will see that the &quot;one size fits all&quot; does not equal
+significant market share.
+
+OpenOffice.org user base is estimated to be around 100 million, the vast
+majority (around 90%) on an MS platform even though linux distros get it by
+default. OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious reasons,
+it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of reliability and
+efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo design is aimed at a 30
+to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in this group and to whom &quot;Gulls&quot;
+= Freedom.
+
+As far as we can tell, OOo out performs MSO 2003, 2007 and 2010 combined
+outside of educational institutions, but still is nowhere near the combined
+user base of the MSO 97/2000/XP group. This penetration is down to marketing
+on a shoestring, the OOo marketing project is the most active, marketing group
+in the FOSS world other than RedHat, Ubuntu and Mozilla, most of whom are paid
+and have a budget.
+
+We do not work on voodoo, we work on science with measurable results. I don't
+dismiss your code as crap because I am not a hacker. Don't dismiss what I say
+as nonsense without logical and reasoned argument to back it up. Your
+&quot;feelings&quot; don't count as a logical counter argument.
+
+I don't &quot;fear&quot;, I _know_ from experience and research that a &quot;One Size Fits
+All&quot; Product and marketing campaign will go nowhere.
+
+As an addendum to that I would ask the question, The Zero to dead, male and
+female market group, and I presume all nationalities and all religions and all
+social groupings and all job types and all locations and localities, young,
+old teenaged and middleaged, technologically educated and illiterate. How
+would you present Mageia to all these vastly different groups of people?
+
+Wouldn't it be more sensible to say: &quot;This group of people could materially
+benefit from using Mageia as their preferred Technology platform, let's
+communicate with them in a way that they can relate to.&quot;
+
+That is the argument for the Affirmative Mr Interlocutor. :)
+
+Cheers
+GL
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+&gt;<i> It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to try
+</I>&gt;<i> to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> best we can be to those who grow to love the brand.
+</I>
+True, but you are forgetting to take into account the views of the
+developers and packagers of Mageia. Without them there will be no Mageia
+distro and since partecipation is on an unpaid volunteer basis, no
+grand plan of shaping the distro from a marketing POV will succeed, if
+it doesn't match the views of a large part of the devs and packagers.
+
+This is not a criticism of your work (which I'm sure is well meant), but
+it's a simple but crucial fact that you have to take into account.
+
+&gt;<i> All linux distributions at the moment have a less than 1.5% of the total
+</I>&gt;<i> market, however in the area where they have targeted a particular user set,
+</I>&gt;<i> Webservers, the market penetration is somewhere around the 65% mark.
+</I>
+And that's because of the simple fact that Linux is the best technical
+choice for that specific application and the decisionmakers are techies
+who know that, it has nothing to do with marketing.
+If anything it shows how marketing counts for nothing when techies and
+experts make choices.
+
+&gt;<i> How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number of
+</I>&gt;<i> computer users and you will see that the &quot;one size fits all&quot; does not equal
+</I>&gt;<i> significant market share.
+</I>
+Mandriva is not a &quot;one size fits all&quot;. It is the best Linux desktop
+distro, but it's not the best choice as a server distro or for many
+other uses.
+The fact that it doesn't have more users is primarily due to the unfair
+advantage that Windows has because it comes preinstalled on PCs.
+
+&gt;<i> OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious reasons,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of reliability and
+</I>&gt;<i> efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo design is aimed at a 30
+</I>&gt;<i> to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in this group and to whom &quot;Gulls&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> = Freedom.
+</I>
+I very much doubt any OOo user chose it because of the logo, personally
+I chose software on technical and usability merits, not logo design and
+even all non-techies I know do the same.
+
+Software is not a car or a handbag or a jacket, those are items where
+looks and design counts a lot, with software the only design that counts
+is UI interface design aimed at maximising usability.
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+&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be more sensible to say: &quot;This group of people could
+</I>&gt;<i> materially
+</I>&gt;<i> benefit from using Mageia as their preferred Technology platform,
+</I>&gt;<i> let's
+</I>&gt;<i> communicate with them in a way that they can relate to.&quot;
+</I>
+Actually I strongly agree with this statement, but I didn't get the
+impression that everything else you said is in any way coherent with this,
+on the contrary the suggested target groups I have seen here so far seemed
+way off base to me.
+
+With a community Linux distro like Mageia it's the technical merits and
+specs of the distro that define it's target user group, not the wishes of
+the marketeers.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Graham Lauder wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; try to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to be the best we can be to those who grow to love the brand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True, but you are forgetting to take into account the views of the
+</I>&gt;<i> developers and packagers of Mageia. Without them there will be no Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> distro and since partecipation is on an unpaid volunteer basis, no
+</I>&gt;<i> grand plan of shaping the distro from a marketing POV will succeed, if
+</I>&gt;<i> it doesn't match the views of a large part of the devs and packagers.
+</I>
+What has that got to do with it, there is always an internal component to the
+marketing, goes without saying
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is not a criticism of your work (which I'm sure is well meant), but
+</I>&gt;<i> it's a simple but crucial fact that you have to take into account.
+</I>
+Damned by faint praise, and frankly I'm insulted, I suggest you read the Core
+Values statement which is up on the website now I think and which I and my
+team put together in deep consultation with the founders.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; All linux distributions at the moment have a less than 1.5% of the total
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; market, however in the area where they have targeted a particular user
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; set, Webservers, the market penetration is somewhere around the 65%
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mark.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And that's because of the simple fact that Linux is the best technical
+</I>&gt;<i> choice for that specific application and the decisionmakers are techies
+</I>&gt;<i> who know that, it has nothing to do with marketing.
+</I>&gt;<i> If anything it shows how marketing counts for nothing when techies and
+</I>&gt;<i> experts make choices.
+</I>
+I'm really trying to be restrained here but I think you should talk to RedHat
+and SuSE and so forth the companies that have driven most of that market and
+ask them if the did no marketing.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of computer users and you will see that the &quot;one size fits all&quot; does not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; equal significant market share.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva is not a &quot;one size fits all&quot;. It is the best Linux desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> distro, but it's not the best choice as a server distro or for many
+</I>&gt;<i> other uses.
+</I>&gt;<i> The fact that it doesn't have more users is primarily due to the unfair
+</I>&gt;<i> advantage that Windows has because it comes preinstalled on PCs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That is in fact patently untrue, I remember when Mandrake was trumpeting the
+fact that you could buy it preinstalled back about 9.0 I think, can't
+remember. MS spends 500 million a year on marketing, just to maintain that
+market share.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious reasons,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of reliability
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo design is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; aimed at a 30 to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in this group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and to whom &quot;Gulls&quot; = Freedom.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I very much doubt any OOo user chose it because of the logo, personally
+</I>&gt;<i> I chose software on technical and usability merits, not logo design and
+</I>&gt;<i> even all non-techies I know do the same.
+</I>
+Oh for crying out loud is there a virus around here that imbues density... OF
+COURSE they didn't choose because of the Logo, ye gods if you so much as had
+an inkling of the smallest piece of Marketing science you would see how
+nonsensical that statement is in terms of what we are talking about,
+especially when you say it as though you have a deep dark knowledge. I don't
+really have time to do marketing 101 here and It's wasting my time when I
+could be doing the more useful things that the Founders have asked us to do.
+
+However:
+Marketing raises Brand awareness
+It connects a value with the product in the Consumers mind
+It connects a brand with people on an emotional level
+
+That's it, Getting people to use it is Sales which is a different beast
+altogether.
+
+We get people to see the brand, connect with the brand and then think about
+investigating it after that it's sales and engineering.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Software is not a car or a handbag or a jacket, those are items where
+</I>&gt;<i> looks and design counts a lot, with software the only design that counts
+</I>&gt;<i> is UI interface design aimed at maximising usability.
+</I>
+
+There is an old saying there are none so blind as those that will not see, and
+it doesn't matter how good the UI is, if no-one looks at it, it's the same for
+anything, you can make it as pretty and as usable as you want if nobody knows
+the brand exists then the only ones that will connect are the ones that
+stumble across it accidentally.
+
+Once more, this is wasting my time and there is no point in discussing this
+with a closed mind and entrenched attitudes.
+
+GL
+
+--
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+Graham, I'm sorry if me expressing my views that differ from yours somehow
+offended you, I had no intention of offending you.
+
+That said I don't think that your air of superiority that I notice in your
+latest reply will help you get your message across to anyone.
+
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+ &gt; On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 16:16:39 Tux99 wrote:
+[...]
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Damned by faint praise, and frankly I'm insulted, I suggest you read the Core
+</I>&gt;<i> Values statement which is up on the website now I think and which I and my
+</I>&gt;<i> team put together in deep consultation with the founders.
+</I>
+[...]
+
+&gt;<i> especially when you say it as though you have a deep dark knowledge. I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> really have time to do marketing 101 here and It's wasting my time when I
+</I>&gt;<i> could be doing the more useful things that the Founders have asked us to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Now this last comment does not at all follow the Values...
+The &quot;more useful things to do&quot; approach is never a good argument... ever...
+
+&gt;<i> However:
+</I>&gt;<i> Marketing raises Brand awareness
+</I>&gt;<i> It connects a value with the product in the Consumers mind
+</I>&gt;<i> It connects a brand with people on an emotional level
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's it, Getting people to use it is Sales which is a different beast
+</I>&gt;<i> altogether.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+True.
+
+&gt;<i> We get people to see the brand, connect with the brand and then think about
+</I>&gt;<i> investigating it after that it's sales and engineering.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+But as one point already made, namely the &quot;engineering part&quot;...
+It does not help if we get a brand, but no developers &amp; testers that is
+interested in it...
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Software is not a car or a handbag or a jacket, those are items where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> looks and design counts a lot, with software the only design that counts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is UI interface design aimed at maximising usability.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+One thing that we must be careful about is the &quot;maximising usability&quot;
+part, as it's easy to get it so &quot;dumbed down&quot; that it ends up
+useless/annoying for many users...
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is an old saying there are none so blind as those that will not see, and
+</I>&gt;<i> it doesn't matter how good the UI is, if no-one looks at it, it's the same for
+</I>&gt;<i> anything, you can make it as pretty and as usable as you want if nobody knows
+</I>&gt;<i> the brand exists then the only ones that will connect are the ones that
+</I>&gt;<i> stumble across it accidentally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+True.
+
+&gt;<i> Once more, this is wasting my time and there is no point in discussing this
+</I>&gt;<i> with a closed mind and entrenched attitudes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+and the Values got hit again :(
+please think before you write.
+
+And if you think of the last statement, the &quot;closed mind&quot; part goes both
+ways.
+Many things in this discussion does come out as &quot;closed marketing mind&quot;
+vs &quot;closed user/developer mind&quot;.
+
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+&gt;<i> Graham, I'm sorry if me expressing my views that differ from yours somehow
+</I>&gt;<i> offended you, I had no intention of offending you.
+</I>
+I quote your last post:
+
+&gt;<i> True, but you are forgetting to take into account the views of the
+</I>&gt;<i> developers and packagers of Mageia.
+</I>
+I did not &quot;forget&quot; in fact made a substantial effort and got lots of feedback.
+You basically said that I didn't do my job, where I come from, that's
+insulting.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That said I don't think that your air of superiority that I notice in your
+</I>&gt;<i> latest reply will help you get your message across to anyone.
+</I>
+No air of superiority at all, in fact the reverse is true, in that you claimed
+greater knowledge of my field than I and so I had to respond in kind and If I
+made the similar unsupported comments about your code I daresay you would
+respond in a similar frustrated vein.
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+
+--
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 17:35:38 Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Graham, I'm sorry if me expressing my views that differ from yours somehow
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; offended you, I had no intention of offending you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I quote your last post:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; True, but you are forgetting to take into account the views of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; developers and packagers of Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I did not &quot;forget&quot; in fact made a substantial effort and got lots of feedback.
+</I>&gt;<i> You basically said that I didn't do my job, where I come from, that's
+</I>&gt;<i> insulting.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That said I don't think that your air of superiority that I notice in your
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; latest reply will help you get your message across to anyone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No air of superiority at all, in fact the reverse is true, in that you claimed
+</I>&gt;<i> greater knowledge of my field than I and so I had to respond in kind and If I
+</I>&gt;<i> made the similar unsupported comments about your code I daresay you would
+</I>&gt;<i> respond in a similar frustrated vein.
+</I>
+
+Graham, as I said I'm sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.
+
+You are the expert so I leave you to it and shut up about this subject
+now.
+
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+<PRE>Graham Lauder skrev 14.10.2010 05:37:
+
+&gt;<i> That's the difference. In these days of online build services there is
+</I>&gt;<i> arguably no reason that we could not create different package sets on
+</I>&gt;<i> different media for different markets and completely different branding for
+</I>&gt;<i> each set.
+</I>
+oh but there is...
+
+developer base, testers, QA, Mirroring infra.
+
+simply rebuilding a package does not mean that it actually works.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number of
+</I>&gt;<i> computer users and you will see that the &quot;one size fits all&quot; does not equal
+</I>&gt;<i> significant market share.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org user base is estimated to be around 100 million, the vast
+</I>&gt;<i> majority (around 90%) on an MS platform even though linux distros get it by
+</I>&gt;<i> default. OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious reasons,
+</I>&gt;<i> it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of reliability and
+</I>&gt;<i> efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo design is aimed at a 30
+</I>&gt;<i> to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in this group and to whom &quot;Gulls&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> = Freedom.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As far as we can tell, OOo out performs MSO 2003, 2007 and 2010 combined
+</I>&gt;<i> outside of educational institutions, but still is nowhere near the combined
+</I>&gt;<i> user base of the MSO 97/2000/XP group. This penetration is down to marketing
+</I>&gt;<i> on a shoestring, the OOo marketing project is the most active, marketing group
+</I>&gt;<i> in the FOSS world other than RedHat, Ubuntu and Mozilla, most of whom are paid
+</I>&gt;<i> and have a budget.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Ignoring the Linux userbase for now, OpenOffice usage on MS side is
+chosen on three merits:
+
+1. its free (economy)
+2. it works as intended (need)
+3. its open source (ideology)
+
+And the two first ones are the biggest reason obviously.
+
+&gt;<i> We do not work on voodoo, we work on science with measurable results. I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> dismiss your code as crap because I am not a hacker. Don't dismiss what I say
+</I>&gt;<i> as nonsense without logical and reasoned argument to back it up. Your
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;feelings&quot; don't count as a logical counter argument.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't &quot;fear&quot;, I _know_ from experience and research that a &quot;One Size Fits
+</I>&gt;<i> All&quot; Product and marketing campaign will go nowhere.
+</I>
+Yeah, we can never please all, thats true, but we must also be careful
+to not be &quot;too narrow&quot; as it also &quot;kills&quot; the product
+
+&gt;<i> As an addendum to that I would ask the question, The Zero to dead, male and
+</I>&gt;<i> female market group, and I presume all nationalities and all religions and all
+</I>&gt;<i> social groupings and all job types and all locations and localities, young,
+</I>&gt;<i> old teenaged and middleaged, technologically educated and illiterate. How
+</I>&gt;<i> would you present Mageia to all these vastly different groups of people?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Its Linux! Anything anywhere! Whatever you need, we got it! :)
+
+&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be more sensible to say: &quot;This group of people could materially
+</I>&gt;<i> benefit from using Mageia as their preferred Technology platform, let's
+</I>&gt;<i> communicate with them in a way that they can relate to.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep. as long as it's not driven to a point where we offend/repel parts
+of the community.
+
+Remember, Mageia _is_ a Community distribution.
+
+--
+Thomas
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Graham, as I said I'm sorry if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are the expert so I leave you to it and shut up about this subject
+</I>&gt;<i> now.
+</I>
+I must admit I am not as polite as Tux99. I say it open and in clear
+words: sorry, Graham, I am really annoyed by your attitude.
+I don't need discussions this style. I am not used to be seen as a
+&quot;brick wall&quot; with a stubborn mind just because I am giving my opinion
+and my very long experience.
+
+So I will follow Tux99 and shut up about this subject.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 18:38:43 Thomas Backlund wrote:
+&gt;<i> Graham Lauder skrev 14.10.2010 07:24:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 16:16:39 Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Damned by faint praise, and frankly I'm insulted, I suggest you read the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Core Values statement which is up on the website now I think and which I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and my team put together in deep consultation with the founders.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> [...]
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; especially when you say it as though you have a deep dark knowledge. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't really have time to do marketing 101 here and It's wasting my time
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; when I could be doing the more useful things that the Founders have
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; asked us to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now this last comment does not at all follow the Values...
+</I>&gt;<i> The &quot;more useful things to do&quot; approach is never a good argument... ever...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; However:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marketing raises Brand awareness
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It connects a value with the product in the Consumers mind
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It connects a brand with people on an emotional level
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's it, Getting people to use it is Sales which is a different beast
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; altogether.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We get people to see the brand, connect with the brand and then think
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; about investigating it after that it's sales and engineering.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But as one point already made, namely the &quot;engineering part&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i> It does not help if we get a brand, but no developers &amp; testers that is
+</I>&gt;<i> interested in it...
+</I>
+Agreed, and that is another target market. We need to develop a brand that
+suits that particular market. One of the drivers in the younger end of this
+group is &quot;fame&quot; or recognition. High profile distros with a good brand image
+attract these people especially if there is a large user base. Ubuntu have
+done this well. Arguably the greatest part of their success is the number iof
+devs that they attract, This is pretty obvious when you attend Linux confs,
+interestingly the question: &quot;Does it make a better Distro&quot; could be debated.
+
+There are many reasons for this but probably a big driver is the &quot;Significant
+addition to the CV&quot; Which works better when working for a high profile
+project.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Software is not a car or a handbag or a jacket, those are items where
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; looks and design counts a lot, with software the only design that counts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; is UI interface design aimed at maximising usability.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One thing that we must be careful about is the &quot;maximising usability&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> part, as it's easy to get it so &quot;dumbed down&quot; that it ends up
+</I>&gt;<i> useless/annoying for many users...
+</I>
+Again in certain market segments &quot;dumbed down&quot; is exactly what is needed by
+the end user, I have suggested a solution to this particular dichotomy, we
+will see, I'm not sure if my solution is feasible from a Devs POV
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; There is an old saying there are none so blind as those that will not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; see, and it doesn't matter how good the UI is, if no-one looks at it,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's the same for anything, you can make it as pretty and as usable as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; you want if nobody knows the brand exists then the only ones that will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; connect are the ones that stumble across it accidentally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> True.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Once more, this is wasting my time and there is no point in discussing
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this with a closed mind and entrenched attitudes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> and the Values got hit again :(
+</I>&gt;<i> please think before you write.
+</I>
+I did think and I stand by the comment
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And if you think of the last statement, the &quot;closed mind&quot; part goes both
+</I>&gt;<i> ways.
+</I>&gt;<i> Many things in this discussion does come out as &quot;closed marketing mind&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> vs &quot;closed user/developer mind&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+My mind is open, it has to be, I work in a marketing team. I enjoy good
+debate and I get annoyed when people make broad statements that they have no
+evidence for and at the same time, completely ignore positions that are
+supported by substantive and exhaustive research that is done on a daily basis
+by companies all round the world.
+
+The problem we have is perhaps one of communication in that we need to
+communicate with people the value of marketing in an OSS project. I actually
+made comments on my blog about this.
+
+ Unfortunately (or fortunately from my POV) I first got into FOSS marketing in
+OOo where the marketing team has a project of it's own
+(<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org">http://marketing.openoffice.org</A>) and it's a very supportive environment
+because the project values it's marketing team. And I think that shows in the
+results.
+
+However having said all that I'll work on the grumpiness factor. :)
+
+and I'll keep my grumps to my blog!
+
+<A HREF="http://no-humble-opinions.blogspot.com/2010/10/free-marketing.html">http://no-humble-opinions.blogspot.com/2010/10/free-marketing.html</A>
+
+&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
+OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+
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+www.theingots.org.nz
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 05:16:39, Tux99 a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Graham Lauder wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of computer users and you will see that the &quot;one size fits all&quot; does not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; equal significant market share.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva is not a &quot;one size fits all&quot;. It is the best Linux desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> distro, but it's not the best choice as a server distro or for many
+</I>&gt;<i> other uses.
+</I>&gt;<i> The fact that it doesn't have more users is primarily due to the unfair
+</I>&gt;<i> advantage that Windows has because it comes preinstalled on PCs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+We have to separe MS market locking and Mandriva communication failure. When
+bad news around Mandriva were there and when Mageia announces its fork, i've
+read some (many ;) ) comments about how Mandriva is used in servers. Don't get
+me wrong, i already knew that Mandriva could be used in servers. Anyway, you
+can hardly find any information of this uses on Mandriva website, hardly no
+study case is available on the same website that one could download. That's
+the same for OEM installation in Brazil (or wherever), hardly no information
+on that.
+
+Being the best linux distro is not enough nowadays, we must let it know widely
+and do feel that Mageia is not yet another distribution among hundreds of
+distribution. Mageia is your future distribution even if you don't know it yet
+! :)
+
+Anyway, i don't think we can just transpose what's done for OOo to Mageia. OOo
+just compete to MS Office, Mageia compete to hundreds of Linux Distribution, and
+other OS, not quite the same scale.
+
+Olivier
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+&gt;<i> Graham Lauder skrev 14.10.2010 05:37:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; That's the difference. In these days of online build services there is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; arguably no reason that we could not create different package sets on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; different media for different markets and completely different branding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for each set.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> oh but there is...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> developer base, testers, QA, Mirroring infra.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> simply rebuilding a package does not mean that it actually works.
+</I>
+Fair comment and as I said It is outside my area of expertise so while I see
+it as desirable at the end of the day there aren't the resources then shelve
+the idea
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of computer users and you will see that the &quot;one size fits all&quot; does not
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; equal significant market share.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OpenOffice.org user base is estimated to be around 100 million, the vast
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; majority (around 90%) on an MS platform even though linux distros get it
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; by default. OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reasons, it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; reliability and efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; design is aimed at a 30 to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; this group and to whom &quot;Gulls&quot; = Freedom.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As far as we can tell, OOo out performs MSO 2003, 2007 and 2010 combined
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; outside of educational institutions, but still is nowhere near the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; combined user base of the MSO 97/2000/XP group. This penetration is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; down to marketing on a shoestring, the OOo marketing project is the most
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; active, marketing group in the FOSS world other than RedHat, Ubuntu and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mozilla, most of whom are paid and have a budget.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ignoring the Linux userbase for now, OpenOffice usage on MS side is
+</I>&gt;<i> chosen on three merits:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. its free (economy)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. it works as intended (need)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. its open source (ideology)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And the two first ones are the biggest reason obviously.
+</I>
+All true, but without people pumping out press releases, hammering the social
+media, attending events, getting it onto Magazine cds, running campaigns and
+all that unpopular marketing stuff, those people wouldn't have known that they
+had a choice. We have pushed it the point now where MS are actively
+campaigning against us, it's brilliant, it means we're hurting them.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We do not work on voodoo, we work on science with measurable results. I
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; don't dismiss your code as crap because I am not a hacker. Don't
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; dismiss what I say as nonsense without logical and reasoned argument to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; back it up. Your &quot;feelings&quot; don't count as a logical counter argument.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't &quot;fear&quot;, I _know_ from experience and research that a &quot;One Size
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Fits All&quot; Product and marketing campaign will go nowhere.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yeah, we can never please all, thats true, but we must also be careful
+</I>&gt;<i> to not be &quot;too narrow&quot; as it also &quot;kills&quot; the product
+</I>
+Here I respectfully disagree, it kills the product in certain market segments,
+certainly
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; As an addendum to that I would ask the question, The Zero to dead, male
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and female market group, and I presume all nationalities and all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; religions and all social groupings and all job types and all locations
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and localities, young, old teenaged and middleaged, technologically
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; educated and illiterate. How would you present Mageia to all these
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; vastly different groups of people?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Its Linux! Anything anywhere! Whatever you need, we got it! :)
+</I>
+Heh, that's the point, it's not Linux, it's Mageia, if it was only about linux
+there would be no point, there's plenty of Linux out there already
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Wouldn't it be more sensible to say: &quot;This group of people could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; materially benefit from using Mageia as their preferred Technology
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; platform, let's communicate with them in a way that they can relate to.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yep. as long as it's not driven to a point where we offend/repel parts
+</I>&gt;<i> of the community.
+</I>
+I think you miss the point here, this statement applies to any predefined
+group, that could be developers, why should communicating with one group
+alienate another. All I'm saying is that we need to communicate and we need
+to shape that communication to the particular audience.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Remember, Mageia _is_ a Community distribution.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>
+Indeed
+
+Cheers
+GL
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
+OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+
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+www.theingots.org.nz
+
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+&gt;<i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 19:46:39 Thomas Backlund wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Graham Lauder skrev 14.10.2010 05:37:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> That's the difference. In these days of online build services there is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> arguably no reason that we could not create different package sets on
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> different media for different markets and completely different branding
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> for each set.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> oh but there is...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> developer base, testers, QA, Mirroring infra.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> simply rebuilding a package does not mean that it actually works.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fair comment and as I said It is outside my area of expertise so while I see
+</I>&gt;<i> it as desirable at the end of the day there aren't the resources then shelve
+</I>&gt;<i> the idea
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Of course we can set up some task-* packages to make it easier to
+install a specific segment too... time will tell...
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of computer users and you will see that the &quot;one size fits all&quot; does not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> equal significant market share.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org user base is estimated to be around 100 million, the vast
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> majority (around 90%) on an MS platform even though linux distros get it
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> by default. OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reasons, it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> reliability and efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> design is aimed at a 30 to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> this group and to whom &quot;Gulls&quot; = Freedom.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As far as we can tell, OOo out performs MSO 2003, 2007 and 2010 combined
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> outside of educational institutions, but still is nowhere near the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> combined user base of the MSO 97/2000/XP group. This penetration is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> down to marketing on a shoestring, the OOo marketing project is the most
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> active, marketing group in the FOSS world other than RedHat, Ubuntu and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Mozilla, most of whom are paid and have a budget.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ignoring the Linux userbase for now, OpenOffice usage on MS side is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chosen on three merits:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. its free (economy)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. it works as intended (need)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. its open source (ideology)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And the two first ones are the biggest reason obviously.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All true, but without people pumping out press releases, hammering the social
+</I>&gt;<i> media, attending events, getting it onto Magazine cds, running campaigns and
+</I>&gt;<i> all that unpopular marketing stuff, those people wouldn't have known that they
+</I>&gt;<i> had a choice. We have pushed it the point now where MS are actively
+</I>&gt;<i> campaigning against us, it's brilliant, it means we're hurting them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yep. Very true.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> We do not work on voodoo, we work on science with measurable results. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> don't dismiss your code as crap because I am not a hacker. Don't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> dismiss what I say as nonsense without logical and reasoned argument to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> back it up. Your &quot;feelings&quot; don't count as a logical counter argument.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I don't &quot;fear&quot;, I _know_ from experience and research that a &quot;One Size
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Fits All&quot; Product and marketing campaign will go nowhere.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yeah, we can never please all, thats true, but we must also be careful
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to not be &quot;too narrow&quot; as it also &quot;kills&quot; the product
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Here I respectfully disagree, it kills the product in certain market segments,
+</I>&gt;<i> certainly
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, I'm not sure I want to kill a market segment just because I target
+another userbase.
+
+but the &quot;too narrow&quot; is quite diffuse, so we'll see where we end up...
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> As an addendum to that I would ask the question, The Zero to dead, male
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and female market group, and I presume all nationalities and all
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> religions and all social groupings and all job types and all locations
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and localities, young, old teenaged and middleaged, technologically
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> educated and illiterate. How would you present Mageia to all these
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> vastly different groups of people?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Its Linux! Anything anywhere! Whatever you need, we got it! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Heh, that's the point, it's not Linux, it's Mageia, if it was only about linux
+</I>&gt;<i> there would be no point, there's plenty of Linux out there already
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Yeah, thats also the &quot;problem&quot;, we always get into &quot;Its Linux/FOSS&quot;,
+&quot;others can do, so why cant you&quot; kind of arguments with users, so its a
+fine line to walk...
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Wouldn't it be more sensible to say: &quot;This group of people could
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> materially benefit from using Mageia as their preferred Technology
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> platform, let's communicate with them in a way that they can relate to.&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yep. as long as it's not driven to a point where we offend/repel parts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of the community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think you miss the point here, this statement applies to any predefined
+</I>&gt;<i> group, that could be developers, why should communicating with one group
+</I>&gt;<i> alienate another. All I'm saying is that we need to communicate and we need
+</I>&gt;<i> to shape that communication to the particular audience.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Problem is that if we push too hard on a &quot;This group of people could
+benefit...&quot; it often turns into &quot;Its only for 'This group of people'&quot;,
+you better use ...
+
+Do we really want that?
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Remember, Mageia _is_ a Community distribution.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>
+--
+Thomas
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+<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:37:29 +1300, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 14:18:02 Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm with wobo and Margot here, I fear this 'targeting' will simply result
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in restricting our potential user-base (i.e. rather than attracting more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; users it will turn off many users).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to try
+</I>&gt;<i> to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> best we can be to those who grow to love the brand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Wrong, from my POV.
+Its Linux. Linux has it all. You just have to choose what you want in
+your install, desktop software, server software or both.
+
+An example. Our admins at the university choose CentOS as their distro
+for labs and servers. CentOS is marketed as a RHEL derivative, focused
+on server and stability. Why CentOS ? Its RHEL but with free
+support. What about desktop software ? Its generally outated. What
+about HW support ? Same. CentOS people patches their soft, but what
+do you prefer, a home patched ancient kernel or an updated one with the real
+official and tested fixes ? If they wanted the best of both worlds
+they could choose Mandriva for labs desktops and CentOS for servers,
+if they are so fond of CentOS as server. But noooone wants to admin two
+linux distros.
+
+But me, I have always intalled Mandriva both for desktops and for servers.
+Reasons:
+- I had the best hw support
+- I had updated software
+- It is stable
+- I could use the SAME distro (even the same CD) to install a desktop
+ box for development, for office work, or a server with samba and ldap
+ and apache, or a HPC cluster with openmpi.
+
+Why ? I know Mandriva, I know it has all the soft that I need for all
+fields, and yes, ONE SIZE FITS ALL my meeds. But that is because I
+know Mandriva. Why Mandriva has no fame in the big picture of
+servers ? Because someone marketed it time ago as a desktop distro.
+But as a server is much better than any CentOS or Ubuntu out there.
+But nobody knows...
+
+Lets suppose the marketing decissions focus Mageia on desktop, and there
+is no effort in packaging things like MPI, the latest version of gcc,
+or no cluster filesystem. I don't want to use two distros. I don't like
+to go to external repos (like one has to do in CentOS) to get some
+common software, or a decently updated version of common things.
+I would have to look for another option. Now I like Mandriva because
+it has _all_ the _latest_ things I need.
+
+&gt;<i> That's the difference. In these days of online build services there is
+</I>&gt;<i> arguably no reason that we could not create different package sets on
+</I>&gt;<i> different media for different markets and completely different branding for
+</I>&gt;<i> each set.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I would not do the branding part. That's like using Ubuntu for desktops
+and RHEL for servers. It becomes using two different distros in the end.
+And usually people don't like that.
+
+&gt;<i> How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number of
+</I>&gt;<i> computer users and you will see that the &quot;one size fits all&quot; does not equal
+</I>&gt;<i> significant market share.
+</I>
+Two examples (from what I have seen, I know its not the general rule...):
+- Fedora/Ubuntu users: I want a modern desktop. I don't mind 'bout my
+ samba being modern and hit some recent obscure undisclosed bug.
+- RHEL/CentOS: I want a 3 years old samba, tested and debugged.
+ I don't mind about firefox being still 3.0.
+
+Why can't we have a distro that says 'Here you have the latest stable server
+software, with the latest hardware kernel support, all packed under the
+best looking desktop ever!!!'. Is it hard to do ? Mandriva community was doing.
+
+No focus, state clearly you have all and user just have to choose.
+For each interest group, just say 'what do you want, what do you need...
+here it is!'.
+
+Just my POV...
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Software is like sex:
+ \ It's better when it's free
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+<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 11:17:18 +0300, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tmb at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; Wouldn't it be more sensible to say: &quot;This group of people could
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; materially benefit from using Mageia as their preferred Technology
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; platform, let's communicate with them in a way that they can relate to.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Yep. as long as it's not driven to a point where we offend/repel parts
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; of the community.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I think you miss the point here, this statement applies to any predefined
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; group, that could be developers, why should communicating with one group
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; alienate another. All I'm saying is that we need to communicate and we need
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to shape that communication to the particular audience.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Problem is that if we push too hard on a &quot;This group of people could
+</I>&gt;<i> benefit...&quot; it often turns into &quot;Its only for 'This group of people'&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> you better use ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You could always change the marketing hype from 'This is for you' to
+'What do you want ? We have it !', and state different lists of 'what
+we have' for different groups. So you're promoting the _same_ distro,
+not different brands/versions, for everyone. And at the end...
+'we even have a predefined package set for you to install your servers
+or your desktops, your office or gaming box, no funny package cherry picking...'.
+
+--
+J.A. Magallon &lt;jamagallon()ono!com&gt; \ Software is like sex:
+ \ It's better when it's free
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+<PRE>On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 20:28:38 Olivier M&#233;jean wrote:
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Being the best linux distro is not enough nowadays, we must let it know
+</I>&gt;<i> widely and do feel that Mageia is not yet another distribution among
+</I>&gt;<i> hundreds of distribution. Mageia is your future distribution even if you
+</I>&gt;<i> don't know it yet ! :)
+</I>
+And that is a fallacy of thinking, we should not be competing against other
+distros, we compete against MS
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anyway, i don't think we can just transpose what's done for OOo to Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i> OOo just compete to MS Office, Mageia compete to hundreds of Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> Distribution, and other OS, not quite the same scale.
+</I>
+You are kidding of course, OOo competes in a very competitive environment.
+KOffice, Gnome Office just in the Linux space, then on windows we're up
+against Wordperfect, who have huge history in the space, Lotus Symphony, MS
+Works etc. In the Linux space, Mageia competes with a whole pile small
+players in a small market. Total is around 1.5% of the total OS market, then
+there is 3.5 % for Mac and the rest MS.
+
+Now the following is my opinion only to be taken with grain of salt or
+whatever condiment you prefer.
+
+We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at
+present occupied by MS. In this market the name we want to promote is Mageia,
+we have no need to identify with Linux. I have no problem helping the others
+into the market but we need to focus on MS users. If we happen to increase
+the market for Linux then great but our focus should be on Mageia. Right now
+there are too many distros, linux is confusing to the market, we have no need
+to identify with it.
+
+Our goal should be be seen as the primary alternative to the encumbent leader
+
+Focus on why we are better and tell the world.
+
+When the Steve gets people making videos like this
+
+<A HREF="http://blogs.technet.com/b/whymicrosoft/archive/2010/10/05/15-customers-who-">http://blogs.technet.com/b/whymicrosoft/archive/2010/10/05/15-customers-who-</A>
+switched-to-microsoft-office-after-evaluating-openoffice-org.aspx
+
+but focused on Mageia then we know we've made it
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Olivier
+</I>
+Cheers
+GL
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
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+<PRE>On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, J.A. Magall&#243;n wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You could always change the marketing hype from 'This is for you' to
+</I>&gt;<i> 'What do you want ? We have it !', and state different lists of 'what
+</I>&gt;<i> we have' for different groups. So you're promoting the _same_ distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> not different brands/versions, for everyone. And at the end...
+</I>&gt;<i> 'we even have a predefined package set for you to install your servers
+</I>&gt;<i> or your desktops, your office or gaming box, no funny package cherry picking...'.
+</I>
+I like this idea, this is exactly how I would do it too, but then
+what do I know, I'm only a dumb techie, not a marketing expert...
+
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+<PRE>Graham Lauder wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to try
+</I>&gt;<i> to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> best we can be to those who grow to love the brand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think you may be getting tarred with a brush you don't deserve. The
+pushback you're getting from technical people on this issue is very
+likely fallout from the way Mandriva handled this issue.
+
+Most technical people couldn't care less what logo or color scheme you
+use. But Mandriva pushed the philosophy of &quot;let's be the newbie distro&quot;
+down to the design level, often hiding or eliminating more advanced
+functions, obfuscating internal operations, and offering only
+unnecessarily limited/simplified choices.
+
+So we ended up with a menu scheme that was counterintuitive to most
+Linux users, a situation where you could install a package and find that
+there was no menu entry created for it because it was a KDE package and
+you were using GNOME, or because somebody decided for you that newbies
+wouldn't use it so it wasn't worth cluttering the menu. We confused the
+hell out of people by making the default package choice in rpmdrake
+&quot;packages with GUI&quot; because somebody decided that newbies shouldn't be
+shown CLI-only packages, resulting in a situation where people searching
+for packages with keywords couldn't find them unless they realized this
+and set the default back to &quot;All&quot;.
+
+That's what I, at any rate, don't want to see happen again. But it
+sounds like that's not what you're saying. But realize that you're
+talking to a technical audience, and when you say &quot;target the distro&quot;,
+they are thinking this sort of thing rather than logos and colors.
+</PRE>
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+<PRE>Em Qua 13 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:10:44, Cazzaniga Sandro escreveu:
+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You probably known that we have a temporary wiki, for the moment. But
+</I>&gt;<i> when we'll have a real wiki, why do you think about nominate a
+</I>&gt;<i> responsable, coordinator of tasks in the wiki? If you (all contributors
+</I>&gt;<i> who are reading mageia-discuss) are ok, i'll be happy to do that.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>
+ Sandro,
+
+If you were responsible for the wiki, I suggest for &quot;main page&quot;:
+
+
+====== Temporary wiki for Mageia project ======
+
+As announced in Mageia blog, this is a temporary wiki to collect all
+ressources in a more efficient way. Its goal is to list people and proposals for
+infrastructure. **Please do not add any other topics, it would be deleted**.
+
+====== Join us! ======
+ * **Add your name in one or several categories below. Thanks in advance
+for your contribution!**
+ * 2 representatives (1 member + 1 alternate) will be chosen for each
+group. They will act as referer to organize group and will be part of
+distribution board.\\ \\
+ - [[packaging|Packaging]]
+ - [[developers|Distro Developers]]
+ - [[documentation|Documentation]]
+ - [[translators|Translators]]
+ - [[qateam|QA team]]
+ - [[triage|Triage team]]
+ - [[web|Web developers]]
+ - [[designers|Designers]]
+ - [[forums|Mageia official forums admin / moderators]]
+ - [[mailinglists|Mageia official ML moderators]]
+ - [[community|Users community management]]
+ - [[marketing|Official Marketing team ]]
+ - [[communication|Official Communication team ]]
+ - [[ressources|Hardware ressources ]]\\ \\
+ - [[supporter|Mageia supporter]]\\ \\
+ - [[artguide|Logo &amp; artwork guidelines ]]
+\\
+====== Others links ======
+ - [[blog|blog]]
+ - [[directory|directory]]
+ - [[founders|founders]]
+ - [[i18n-nl|i18n-nl]]
+ - [[irc|IRC]]
+ - [[meetings|meetings]]
+ - [[metrics|metrics]]
+ - [[mirror.readme|mirror.readme]]
+ - [[org|Org]]
+ - [[press|Press]]
+ - [[rollingdebate|Rollingdebate]]
+ - [[sysadmin|Sysadmin]]
+\\
+====== External links ======
+ * [[<A HREF="http://mageia.org/pt-br/|Site">http://mageia.org/pt-br/|Site</A> Mageia]]
+ * [[<A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org|Blog">http://blog.mageia.org|Blog</A> Mageia]]
+
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+
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+&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i> You probably known that we have a temporary wiki, for the moment. But
+</I>&gt;<i> when we'll have a real wiki, why do you think about nominate a
+</I>&gt;<i> responsable, coordinator of tasks in the wiki? If you (all contributors
+</I>&gt;<i> who are reading mageia-discuss) are ok, i'll be happy to do that.
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers!
+</I>
+Sandro,
+
+If you were responsable for the wiki, I would also suggest that the end of
+every page of the wiki had a link to the main page (back to home / wiki). This
+makes it easy to access wiki pages without left side column as the index
+(even though provisional).
+
+It's the same situation as the wiki Mandriva-Brasil: (<A HREF="http://docs.mandriva-">http://docs.mandriva-</A>
+br.org/), using Dokuwiki.
+
+Hug
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>Hey everyone,
+
+so, to re-frame a bit things and cool down.
+
+First, thank you all for this conversation. That shows you care. And
+that's great. At times, we may disagree with each other, we may not
+manage properly yet how we say things, we may look or be a bit slow or
+too fast. But we still can make something together - provided we aim
+something in common, we trust and respect each other and we know how
+to step down and apologize when needed.
+
+That's not to say it's easy. It's probably the hardest part. We just
+have to take it into account and build our way with it.
+
+
+A quick note the about logo proposals thing. Right, we may pause it,
+however everyone started to propose logos even before we talked about
+it; so at least we reframe the proposals a bit without making a full
+stop. That gives more info to graphic designers at this point and we
+can refine the technical specs as well.
+
+
+So...
+
+#1 Yes, marketing has a say in how we do things in this project. So
+does each team. We didn't listed all these teams without intending to
+articulate their contributions.
+
+One of the crucial points in this project is to make everyone respect
+and understand each other; knowledge, feelings, opinions, unknowns are
+all in the game and we all have to learn how to deal with this to go
+forward.
+
+Marketing, communication (and coordination/inclusion into the project
+main decisions) are indeed, in our inherited culture, not quite known
+&amp; understood. Each team has its own culture, process. Without all
+becoming experts of each others' specialties, we need to understand,
+value and trust our reciprocal contributions to benefit the whole
+project.
+
+Of course we are in a Open Source project so it makes some teams more
+in technical power of decision (because they don't approve or because
+they don't deliver or because there are technical obstacles or...).
+That's true and that makes even more important that all participants
+acknowledge that we all have
+
+So whether it takes more time, more discussion, an agreement or it's
+up to the Council or the Board to decide in last resort. We will
+strive to base our decisions on three things: project mission, values
+and facts. Feelings are here as &quot;warning signals&quot; of dissonance and
+understood as such; and should be resolved hopefully.
+
+Disagreements may appear from diverse reasons; one may be that we've
+not been specific enough about the direction (because we didn't or
+because we still don't know well enough how to be specific enough;
+that's something to refine as well).
+
+
+#2. Mageia.org does not target desktop users especially. Well, we do;
+as we do target servers and embedded devices. As well.
+
+Nor does it compete with other Linux distributions or other operating
+systems. Yes, we do compete in some way. But we don't see ourselves
+like this at first.
+
+The big difference we expect for Mageia.org is not to compete, but to
+become a inter-disciplinary collaboration community of excellence for
+free/libre projects; the Mageia Linux distribution is only one (huge,
+central and first) &quot;game&quot; in this. As a project, as a platform, as a
+product, as a showcase.
+
+As a hint, two teams were not listed for now, because we thought that
+we need to roll out our first working ISO first and because we didn't
+explained how their role would fit: ergonomics/users study and
+electronics/hardware devices.
+
+The goal is not only to produce a ~horizontal Linux-based system that
+will empower people; it's to create the conditions to build ~vertical
+solutions with it, within or from the Mageia.org community.
+
+Mageia.org is not a commercial project but a community project; where
+people/companies will bring in and bring from. Both as users and as
+contributors.
+
+That does not prevent to design it through marketing, but that must be
+aligned with the project direction.
+
+
+So, to draw this in perspective now, here are the next big milestones
+we have in sight for the coming months. That does not define long term
+strategy (which is still buried in the announcement and in the
+vision/mission statements being worked on) but I guess it will help:
+
+ 1. releasing a test drive ISO before the end of November; this is to
+test drive four things:
+ * packaging/translation/build system as a whole,
+ * community council and teams work &amp; coordination,
+ * final product stability,
+ * concurrent discussions for future plans.
+
+ 2. having December to cool down and prepare the next run; having end
+of December free of any stress in this regard;
+
+ 3. preparing coming FOSDEM in February 2011; where we shall meet more
+people to discuss future and hot topics.
+
+Concurrent to these, Mageia.org community must form and learn on itself.
+
+For the marketing team, for instance, the first step could to market
+the project itself toward people that will _contribute to it_, first.
+
+That's who we want to work with and who we want to be in love with the
+product, the technology, the project and the processes first. That's
+who we want to care about first. Then we will have to see how what we
+love can be a fit for other people.
+
+(and no, that doesn't exclude all users, but only users that don't
+expect to contribute to the project directly)
+
+That helps in three ways:
+ - helping refine the whole project vision as whole and advocate it;
+ - help contributors get a firmer grasp on who they are, and what
+they're going to build;
+ - inform users community of what it may be going to look like.
+
+This, with time, will help to discuss targets with more data and more
+perspective. For everyone. Notwithstanding that other teams have quite
+a lot of work as well and may need to advocate it as well.
+
+Yes, that's a short roadmap. We can expect to have a larger one later.
+But that's what we have to focus on at this time.
+
+We will dig into some of these points in dedicated meetings in the
+next days (marketing/communication, roadmap and weekly progress).
+
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+ <B>Graham Lauder</B>
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+<PRE>On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 22:34:35 Tux99 wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, J.A. Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You could always change the marketing hype from 'This is for you' to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'What do you want ? We have it !', and state different lists of 'what
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we have' for different groups. So you're promoting the _same_ distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; not different brands/versions, for everyone. And at the end...
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 'we even have a predefined package set for you to install your servers
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; or your desktops, your office or gaming box, no funny package cherry
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; picking...'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I like this idea, this is exactly how I would do it too, but then
+</I>&gt;<i> what do I know, I'm only a dumb techie, not a marketing expert...
+</I>
+
+And I'm only a dumb Marketing Guy and not a programming expert, so we should
+make a good team. :)
+
+However, this sort of research goes on all the time, questions are asked by
+Google of their data mining, by research companies and the like and Marketing
+People pay much money to these companies for the results.
+
+And in fact we know a lot of the answers already. What you suggest above is
+in fact valid in certain market segments, but it doesn't work for all. But
+then that's we do, define a market and find out what criteria are valid for
+that market and package to suit.
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
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+&gt;<i> Maybe we should early try to make an iso targeted to be placed on a USB stick
+</I>&gt;<i> to be booted and run from, and also have storage on the stick.
+</I>
+What do you mean by early? I would expect that is is done at the same
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+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002380.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002384.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002390.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002396.html">[Mageia-discuss] wiki responsable
+</A><A NAME="2396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002397.html">[Mageia-discuss] wiki responsable
+</A><A NAME="2397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002388.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002385.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002373.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002381.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002398.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Oct 14 23:47:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:47:27 CEST 2010</i>
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+ <h1>14 October 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 01:18:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:47:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 26<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002372.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002373.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002374.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002377.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002380.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002381.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002383.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002384.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002385.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002387.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002388.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002390.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002396.html">[Mageia-discuss] wiki responsable
+</A><A NAME="2396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002398.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002397.html">[Mageia-discuss] wiki responsable
+</A><A NAME="2397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Oct 14 23:47:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:47:27 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>14 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 01:18:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:47:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 26<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002400.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2400">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Pascal Terjan
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002372.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002373.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002374.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002377.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002380.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002381.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002382.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2382">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002383.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002384.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002385.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2386">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002387.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2387">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002388.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2388">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2389">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002390.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002391.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2391">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002395.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2395">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002398.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2398">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Romain d'Alverny
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002399.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2399">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002396.html">[Mageia-discuss] wiki responsable
+</A><A NAME="2396">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002397.html">[Mageia-discuss] wiki responsable
+</A><A NAME="2397">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Thu Oct 14 23:47:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:47:27 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
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+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
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+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
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+
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 01:18:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Thu Oct 14 23:47:07 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 26<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01287011885- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002372.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2372">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01287011885-01287019082- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002373.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2373">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002374.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2374">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002375.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2375">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287028735- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002376.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2376">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287030279- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002377.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2377">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287030279-01287030938- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002378.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2378">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287030279-01287030938-01287035627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002380.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2380">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287030279-01287030938-01287035627-01287036005- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002381.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2381">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287030279-01287030938-01287035627-01287036005-01287040125- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002383.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2383">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287030279-01287034723- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002379.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2379">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Thomas Backlund
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287030279-01287034723-01287040287- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002384.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2384">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287041318- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002385.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2385">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Olivier M&#233;jean
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287011885-01287019082-01287023849-01287026199-01287041318-01287048625- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002390.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2390">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at
+</I>&gt;<i> present occupied by MS. In this market the name we want to promote is Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have no need to identify with Linux.
+</I>
+Don't know how much salt I need for this, but please don't even try that,
+specially for non techincal people.
+They will think: ah, I can choose Windows, Linux or Mageia. Lets try some
+linux, people talk well about it...who will I impress if I said I installed
+a 'Mageia' ?
+Compare to 'hey, I finally found a Linux distro I can use', 'which one',
+'mageia', 'mmm, lets try it...'.
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+&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:30:25 +1300, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;
+</I>wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; present occupied by MS. In this market the name we want to promote is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia, we have no need to identify with Linux.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Don't know how much salt I need for this, but please don't even try that,
+</I>&gt;<i> specially for non techincal people.
+</I>&gt;<i> They will think: ah, I can choose Windows, Linux or Mageia. Lets try some
+</I>&gt;<i> linux, people talk well about it...who will I impress if I said I installed
+</I>&gt;<i> a 'Mageia' ?
+</I>
+If Impressing someone else with their Computing platform is important to a
+person, they will go Mac.
+
+&gt;<i> Compare to 'hey, I finally found a Linux distro I can use', 'which one',
+</I>&gt;<i> 'mageia', 'mmm, lets try it...'.
+</I>
+The plethora of distributions simply adds confusion. Are people deciding on
+Mac deciding between OSX and FreeBSD?
+
+For nontechnical people Linux is confusing, because nontechnical people aren't
+going to be able to make a sensible choice between a deb based or rpm based,
+Gnome centric or KDE centric, zypper yum or apt and on and on.
+
+Ask a nontechnical user &quot;What is a distribution?&quot; what do you think the
+answer would be. People identify with brands. The question that they will
+most likely ask is Windows, Ubuntu, Mac or Mageia?(eventually :) ) Linux
+will feature for some but only a small minority.
+
+Nontechnical people, especially coming from a windows environment simply want
+to know: &quot;Will it do what I can do now in Windows&quot;, they really don't care
+about the kernel or any of the other stuff.
+
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
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+<PRE>On 14 October 2010 01:18, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/13 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that the marketing/communications committee is working through steps
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; that lead to branding suggestions. We are almost done with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; presenting our suggestions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I wrote I do agree as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;, whenever that will be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like, basing the procedure on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because it's
+</I>&gt;<i> like talking to a brick wall and actually you proved my point about target
+</I>&gt;<i> markets by suggesting the vast and incalculable differences between Germany
+</I>&gt;<i> and the rest of the OECD.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, you still stubbornly hold to the view that somehow, by a piece of
+</I>&gt;<i> grand magic that nobody else in the business world has ever managed to do,
+</I>&gt;<i> unless they are a monopoly, we can come up with something that suits everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> in the world of all ages. &#160;Tell us what that secret is because you'll be able
+</I>&gt;<i> to sell it for millions. Usually the people who say this are in reality saying
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Everybody in MY demographic&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The reality is: We are going into a saturated market, there are hundreds of
+</I>&gt;<i> distros out there, the successful ones have identified their target markets
+</I>&gt;<i> and branded to that market, &#160;The major competitor works effectively in a
+</I>&gt;<i> Monopolistic atmosphere while still spending $US500 million annually on
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing and you think they don't target markets!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We have been working on publishing the Core Values over the past week or so,
+</I>&gt;<i> that immediately defines a market in and of itself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The families market suggestion was one that came to me because of personal
+</I>&gt;<i> experience in my business in that my most successful instances of selling
+</I>&gt;<i> linux have (after studying results) been in a family environment where the
+</I>&gt;<i> small network support model was functioning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now in my market then the target would be the Mothers, in Germany, according
+</I>&gt;<i> to your analysis, the Fathers, in each of these markets the upshot of success
+</I>&gt;<i> is 2.4 users, or possibly more if you count 3 generations (Or whatever your
+</I>&gt;<i> average family size wherever you are) and an instant local support network
+</I>&gt;<i> (MS's greatest strength).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The point is the suggestion was made giving due consideration to a pile of
+</I>&gt;<i> factors including maintaining user base, aka: Brand Loyalty (Kevin Roberts, of
+</I>&gt;<i> Saatchis calls &#160;'Building Love Brands' and he often cites Apple as an
+</I>&gt;<i> example).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not. &#160;Apple's
+</I>&gt;<i> target is young, high disposable income, singles. &#160;To me that's obvious and I
+</I>&gt;<i> could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot; &#160;???? naturally
+</I>&gt;<i> by someone in that demographic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to get on with it &#160;and no matter what there is an absolute given:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;You cannot please all of the people all of the time&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or even
+</I>&gt;<i> identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic positive
+</I>&gt;<i> alternatives will be well received.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Graham, just a piece of advice, as long as you go on adapting the
+holier-than-thou, rather rude, attitude, no one will really listen to
+a word you say.
+
+Now I've known wobo more than I've known you; he's proven over the
+years to be a level-headed person so, no, talking to him is not like
+&quot;talking to a brick wall&quot;. Note that he could have said the same thing
+about you.
+
+If you ask me, personally I'd take his word when it comes to Germany,
+the concept of the &quot;man on the ground knows more&quot; always applies, he
+lives there he sees everyday, so excuse me when I say that his
+knowledge about his own country is better than anyone who live half
+way across the globe.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On 15 October 2010 02:19, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i> On Friday 15 Oct 2010 12:14:04 J.A. Magall&#243;n wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:30:25 +1300, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; present occupied by MS. &#160;In this market the name we want to promote is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Mageia, we have no need to identify with Linux.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Don't know how much salt I need for this, but please don't even try that,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> specially for non techincal people.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> They will think: ah, I can choose Windows, Linux or Mageia. Lets try some
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> linux, people talk well about it...who will I impress if I said I installed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a 'Mageia' ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If Impressing someone else with their Computing platform is important to a
+</I>&gt;<i> person, they will go Mac.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Compare to 'hey, I finally found a Linux distro I can use', 'which one',
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 'mageia', 'mmm, lets try it...'.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The plethora of distributions simply adds confusion. &#160;Are people deciding on
+</I>&gt;<i> Mac deciding between OSX and FreeBSD?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For nontechnical people Linux is confusing, because nontechnical people aren't
+</I>&gt;<i> going to be able to make a sensible choice between a deb based or rpm based,
+</I>&gt;<i> Gnome centric or KDE centric, zypper yum or apt and on and on.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ask a nontechnical user &quot;What is a distribution?&quot; &#160;what do you think the
+</I>&gt;<i> answer would be. &#160;People identify with brands. &#160;The question that they will
+</I>&gt;<i> most likely ask is Windows, Ubuntu, Mac or Mageia?(eventually :) &#160;) &#160;Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> will feature for some but only a small minority.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+&quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+successful Linux distro_.
+
+Now I don't see anything wrong in getting users to educate themselves
+on what Linux is, that's a 10 minute search on the internet :)
+
+&gt;<i> Nontechnical people, especially coming from a windows environment simply want
+</I>&gt;<i> to know: &#160;&quot;Will it do what I can do now in Windows&quot;, they really don't care
+</I>&gt;<i> about the kernel or any of the other stuff.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;<i> Graham Lauder,
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> INGOTs Assessor Trainer
+</I>&gt;<i> (International Grades in Open Technologies)
+</I>&gt;<i> www.theingots.org
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Ahmad Samir
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+<PRE>Post in 3 languages (following...ENG and ITAL version of the post)
+
+
+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+(FR)
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Bonjour,
+
+
+je trouve int&amp;eacute;r&amp;eacute;ssant la possibilit&amp;eacute; de pouvoir essayer
+ou utiliser regulierement Mageia Linux avec une cl&amp;eacute; USB (comme la
+plus partie des distro-Linux les plus connues), pourquoi pas proposer aux
+producteurs des outils pour Windows 32 bit freeware (come Universal USB
+Installer ou UnetBootin juste pour donner un example)&amp;nbsp;mettre &amp;agrave;
+jour leurs logiciels prochainement avec le support du prochain relase stable
+de Mageia Linux ?
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Moi j'ai essay&amp;eacute; l'outil Universal USB Installer 1.8.04 qui vient
+d'etre mis &amp;agrave; jour pour supporter Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (la derniere
+version), j'ai d&amp;eacute;di&amp;eacute; un article de test sur un portail de
+consultants-professionnels ICT en Italie (article en italien) qui vous
+pourrez lire (qui connais la langue italienne ou avec un traducteur par le
+web) &amp;agrave; cet addresse:
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+<A HREF="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</A>
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Si vous avez besoin d'un coup de main pour un test et/ou pour proposer un
+article en italien sur Mageia Linux n'hesitez pas &amp;agrave; me contacter, je
+travaille occasionnellement par des magazines sp&amp;eacute;cialis&amp;eacute; en
+informatique en Italie comme (Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine,
+TechAssistance, Edizioni Informedia-Computer Programming, etc).
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+A bientot, et tous mes meilleurs voeux pour la prochaine pr&amp;eacute;miere
+release de Mageia !
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Fabio Bronzini
+
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabio.bronzini at email.it</A>
+
+
+Visitez my blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+-----------------------------------
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+(ENG)
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Good morning,
+
+
+i like very well the possibility to use Mageia Linux on a USB pen drive, as
+many&amp;nbsp; other distro-Linux, may be we could propose to the authors of
+freeware-Windows-utilities (like Universal USB Installer or UnetBootIn) to
+support Mageia Linux in the next release....?
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+I'tried the next version/release of Universal USB Installer (1.8.04) - un
+update especially for the new Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (released on 10.10, the
+same day of Ubuntu 10.10), i wrote an italian article for a professional-web
+portal (called Consulenti ICT Italia)&amp;nbsp;about this utility-freeware for
+Windows (which can make quickly a Linux-pen-drive bootable using a common PC
+with Windows Vista/7/XP by an iso files of a distro-Linux, and&amp;nbsp;not only
+Ubuntu Linux)
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+You'll be able to read my article (in italian), following this URL link:
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+<A HREF="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</A>
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+If you need an help to test the next Mageia Linux stable version (even a
+beta) with Universal USB Installer (or similar utility freeware for Windows
+systems), i'll be happy to support you.. i'm available also to wirte&amp;nbsp;an
+italian article on/about Mageia Linux (the next stable release when it will
+be available), i'm a freelance writer for some italian ICT magazines such as
+Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Infomedia-Computer
+Programming, etc.
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+My best wishes to Mageia Linux, sincerely
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Fabio Bronzini
+
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabio.bronzini at email.it</A>
+
+
+Visit my blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+-----------------------------
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+(IT)
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Buongiorno,
+
+
+trovo interessante la possibilit&amp;agrave; di poter provare o utilizzare
+regolarmente Mageia Linux con una chiavetta USB (come la maggior parte delle
+distribuzioni Linux tra le pi&amp;ugrave; diffuse), perch&amp;eacute; non proporre
+ai produttori di alcune utility freeware per Windows 32 bit (come Universal
+USB Installer o UnetBootin giusto per dare un esempio) di aggiornare i
+propri software con la prossima versione stable di Mageia Linux ?
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Io ho provato l'utility Universal USB Installer 1.8.04 che &amp;egrave; stata
+aggiornata per&amp;nbsp;supportare il nuovo Ubuntu Linux 10.10&amp;nbsp;(l'ultima
+versione), ho dedicato un articolo di test del prodotto su un portale
+dedicato ai consulenti e professionisti ICT italiani (l'articolo &amp;egrave; in
+italiano), che potrete lire (chi conosce la lingua italiana o usando un
+traduttore via werb), leggibile a questo indirizzo:
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+<A HREF="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</A>
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Se avete bisogno per un test e/o per proporre un articolo in italiano su
+Mageia Linux, non esitate a contattarmi, lavoro occasionalmente come
+collaboratore di alcune riviste e portali web in Italia del settore IT, come
+ad esempio Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Edizioni
+Infomedia-Computer Programming, etc.
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+A presto e i miei migliori auguri per la nuova distro Mageia Linux.
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Cordialmente
+
+
+&amp;nbsp;
+
+
+Fabio Bronzini
+
+
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabio.bronzini at email.it</A>
+
+
+Visitate il mio blog: giornalinux.blogspot.com
+
+
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+ <B>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-15 12:20:30 skrev Catalin Florin RUSSEN:
+&gt;<i> Why not: Stick'on Mageia ;)
+</I>
+&gt;<i> From: Mihai Dobrescu &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">msdobrescu at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mageia in Flash 'n' Bytes...
+</I>
+
+Haha, yes &quot;get mageia in a flash&quot; or such could be useful in marketing!
+
+Here is an effort to change a live Cd to flash with persistent storage
+<A HREF="http://mib.pianetalinux.org/mib/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=2266">http://mib.pianetalinux.org/mib/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=2266</A>
+
+I really ment to say is we should put more effort on flash than optical media,
+because
+
+ &#167; Really small computers do not have CD/DVD ( I have one )
+
+ &#167; Less bad media or writer problems ( I have had both )
+
+ &#167; Less write tool problem ( I think )
+
+ &#167; The OS is starting up and load new applications faster (not as fast as
+from hard disk, but gives better impressions than a Live CD) and/or lower
+demand of RAM (for buffering)
+
+ &#167; Persistent storage (Well it could be really useful for actual use,
+trevelling, repair tool.)
+
+ &#167; Install:
+ o other languages (also, so we do not need to do several base versions
+to include all languages, and make the image less huge)
+ o updates and bugfix are easy - less need for frequent releases, always
+possible to be current also when not installed to hard disk!
+ o install other programs the user needs
+
+ &#167; Remastering (reconstruct the compressed image to include the updated
+files instead of the old)
+
+
+We should deliver working solutions for running on flash stick, and good and
+simple instructions and helper programs for that.
+Have a script, and for windows users an .exe to both instruct how to retrieve
+and verify the image file correctly (or do it itself), search for target,
+ability to set size of persistent storage (all left or limited) and
+(advanced) file system. Link to resource page on wiki.
+
+For a flash version it should be possible to persistently install new
+software. (the base image may still be compressed)
+
+Ability to remaster on the fly like MCNL can would be great.
+<A HREF="http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=127058">http://forum.mandriva.com/viewtopic.php?t=127058</A>
+
+And of course some nice utility to install to hard disc, with nice icons, well
+written short instructions and most automatically taking the user step by
+step through schrinking windows, partition, and transfer.
+
+Maybe some other utility to make a copy of the stick to another USB flash
+(maybe after remastering)
+
+Maybe get some MCNL folks aboard on that?
+
+
+Some helper on syncing th estick to other computer directly, and tips on how
+to set up and use another service such as DropBox, Evernote, etc
+- to really get use of the stick.
+
+/Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> &#160; &#167; The OS is starting up and load new applications faster (not as fast as
+</I>&gt;<i> from hard disk, but gives better impressions than a Live CD) and/or lower
+</I>&gt;<i> demand of RAM (for buffering)
+</I>
+With USB 3.0 it should go well. We just need to wait a little more :)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> Graham, just a piece of advice, as long as you go on adapting the
+</I>&gt;<i> holier-than-thou, rather rude, attitude, no one will really listen to
+</I>&gt;<i> a word you say.
+</I>
+hi guys, i'm one of the &quot;marketing boys&quot; and this time i must fully agree with
+graham. you want to talk about technical stuff in a generic way, that it is
+simply unuseful and counterproductive for us. like graham i don't know
+anything about promming languages, and in fact i don't partecipate in any
+debate perl-python. this is not a rude attitude, this is only the real
+situation.
+
+you're talking about a science as if it is a soccer match
+
+&gt;<i> Now I've known wobo more than I've known you; he's proven over the
+</I>&gt;<i> years to be a level-headed person so, no, talking to him is not like
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;talking to a brick wall&quot;. Note that he could have said the same thing
+</I>&gt;<i> about you.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you ask me, personally I'd take his word when it comes to Germany,
+</I>&gt;<i> the concept of the &quot;man on the ground knows more&quot; always applies, he
+</I>&gt;<i> lives there he sees everyday, so excuse me when I say that his
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge about his own country is better than anyone who live half
+</I>&gt;<i> way across the globe.
+</I>
+so wobo in this case can say interesting things about the situation in
+germany, that we must take into account as every other variable.
+
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+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+</I>&gt;<i> the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;<i> contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+</I>&gt;<i> successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes interested
+in linux and in its community (and values) than considering mageia as a linux
+distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too diffult... do you agree?
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia has now a sweet home :) <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Get ready to start soon!
+</I>
+when will be ready the localised blog? i would like to translate the news in
+italian but the web-site is still not available.
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+cheers,
+Marcello
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes interested
+</I>&gt;<i> in linux and in its community (and values) than considering mageia as a linux
+</I>&gt;<i> distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too diffult... &#160;do you agree?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for whatever reason:
+- economical, he can't afford windows
+- usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+- ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+
+then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+
+Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+
+--
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+<PRE>On 15 October 2010 16:18, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Graham, just a piece of advice, as long as you go on adapting the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> holier-than-thou, rather rude, attitude, no one will really listen to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> a word you say.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> hi guys, i'm one of the &quot;marketing boys&quot; and this time i must fully agree with
+</I>&gt;<i> graham. you want to talk about &#160;technical stuff in a generic way, that it is
+</I>&gt;<i> simply unuseful and counterproductive for us. like graham i don't know
+</I>&gt;<i> anything about promming languages, and in fact i don't partecipate in any
+</I>&gt;<i> debate perl-python. this is not a rude attitude, this is only the real
+</I>&gt;<i> situation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> you're talking about a science as if it is a soccer match
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The discussion wobo referred to wasn't about technical stuff, it was
+about social life in Germany pertaining to using computers.
+
+(You shouldn't remove the part that says whom you're quoting :)).
+
+[...]
+
+--
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 15 October 2010 16:22, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interested in linux and in its community (and values) than considering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia as a linux distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; diffult... do you agree?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> reason: - economical, he can't afford windows
+</I>&gt;<i> - usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+</I>&gt;<i> - ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+</I>
+no, we don't want to search those people. the people that choose linux for
+these reasons have already installed linux in their machines, we must
+comunicate to the people that think &quot;linux is ugly and difficult to use&quot; that
+there is the best system around the world and that they didn't try it yet.
+
+&gt;<i> then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+</I>&gt;<i> give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+</I>
+more than seeing an OS from their friends (that is really useful anyway,
+overall in the first steps), i would like to change the synonim linux=difficult.
+if you change it (as it happened often to me), they say to you &quot;ah, cool&quot;, but
+they won't ever install it .
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>On 15 October 2010 17:00, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> On 15 October 2010 16:22, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; interested in linux and in its community (and values) than considering
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; mageia as a linux distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; diffult... &#160;do you agree?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for whatever
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reason: - economical, he can't afford windows
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> no, we don't want to search those people. the people that choose linux for
+</I>&gt;<i> these reasons have already installed linux in their machines, we must
+</I>&gt;<i> comunicate to the people that think &quot;linux is ugly and &#160;difficult to use&quot; that
+</I>&gt;<i> there is the best system around the world and that they didn't try it yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Bear in mind that those who searched will put more time/effort into
+getting it to work, i.e. they're not doing it as a sort of stunt :)
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> more than seeing an OS from their friends (that is really useful anyway,
+</I>&gt;<i> overall in the first steps), i would like to change the synonim linux=difficult.
+</I>&gt;<i> if you change it (as it happened often to me), they say to you &quot;ah, cool&quot;, but
+</I>&gt;<i> they won't ever install it .
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I don't see how that contradicts my point of _not_ promoting &quot;Mageia&quot;
+but &quot;&quot;Mageia&quot; the Linux distro&quot;....
+
+--
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+ <B>Damien Lallement</B>
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+ <I>Fri Oct 15 17:36:40 CEST 2010</I>
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+<PRE>Hello all,
+
+Seems (thanks to Marcello, Catalin Florin and Diego) that I had an
+issue when I sent the access to people for the localized blogs. Sorry
+for the inconvenience, in fact, mails are still in my draft box... :-/
+I fix the issue and send the mails back.
+
+Dams
+--
+Damien Lallement
+aka &quot;damsweb&quot; or &quot;coincoin&quot; on IRC
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+ <B>Marcello Anni</B>
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> On 15 October 2010 17:00, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On 15 October 2010 16:22, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; in the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; uphold. I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; _can be a successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; interested in linux and in its community (and values) than considering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; mageia as a linux distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; diffult... do you agree?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; reason: - economical, he can't afford windows
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; - ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; no, we don't want to search those people. the people that choose linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; for these reasons have already installed linux in their machines, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; must comunicate to the people that think &quot;linux is ugly and difficult
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to use&quot; that there is the best system around the world and that they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; didn't try it yet.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Bear in mind that those who searched will put more time/effort into
+</I>&gt;<i> getting it to work, i.e. they're not doing it as a sort of stunt :)
+</I>
+in fact (in compatibility with manpower and marketing decisions) we must offer
+an increasingly ease of use also for those people (without forgetting mentors
+help)
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; more than seeing an OS from their friends (that is really useful anyway,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; overall in the first steps), i would like to change the synonim
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; linux=difficult. if you change it (as it happened often to me), they say
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to you &quot;ah, cool&quot;, but they won't ever install it .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I don't see how that contradicts my point of _not_ promoting &quot;Mageia&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> but &quot;&quot;Mageia&quot; the Linux distro&quot;....
+</I>
+it is only a different POV. (but interesting in my opinion).. you say linux-
+&gt;<i>mageia, i say mageia-&gt;linux : )
+</I>
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+<PRE>2010/10/15 Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia has now a sweet home :) <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Get ready to start soon!
+</I>
+German blog updated.
+
+--
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+-----Original Message-----
+&gt;<i>From: Anne nicolas &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ennael1 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>Sent: Oct 15, 2010 7:54 AM
+</I>&gt;<i>To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-announce at mageia.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>Subject: [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>Mageia has now a sweet home :) <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>Get ready to start soon!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>--
+</I>&gt;<i>Anne
+</I>
+Excellent!
+
+Stephen
+
+Calm down..............it's only ones and zeroes.
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+
+Le 15/10/2010 14:54, Anne nicolas a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hi there
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia has now a sweet home :) <A HREF="http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91">http://blog.mageia.org/?p=91</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> Get ready to start soon!
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabio.bronzini
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002421.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002409.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Acces to the localized blogs for translators
+</A><A NAME="2418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002402.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002453.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 00:49:13 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
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+
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+ <h1>15 October 2010 Archives by date</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
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+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 01:14:04 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 22<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002402.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabio.bronzini
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002453.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002409.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002411.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002413.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Acces to the localized blogs for translators
+</A><A NAME="2418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002420.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002421.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 00:49:13 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>15 October 2010 Archives by subject</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 01:14:04 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 22<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002453.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002409.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002413.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002420.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002421.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Acces to the localized blogs for translators
+</A><A NAME="2418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabio.bronzini
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002402.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002411.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
+ <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Archived on:</b> <i>Mon Oct 18 00:49:13 CEST 2010</i>
+ <p>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+ <a href="thread.html#start">[ thread ]</a>
+
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+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
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+ <h1>15 October 2010 Archives by thread</h1>
+ <ul>
+ <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
+
+ <a href="subject.html#start">[ subject ]</a>
+ <a href="author.html#start">[ author ]</a>
+ <a href="date.html#start">[ date ]</a>
+
+ <li><b><a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More info on this list...
+ </a></b></li>
+ </ul>
+ <p><b>Starting:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 01:14:04 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Ending:</b> <i>Fri Oct 15 20:22:05 CEST 2010</i><br>
+ <b>Messages:</b> 22<p>
+ <ul>
+
+<!--0 01287098044- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002401.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2401">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>J.A. Magall&#243;n
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01287098044-01287101994- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002402.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2402">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002404.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2404">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002412.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2412">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560-01287153822- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002414.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2414">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560-01287153822-01287154800- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002416.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2416">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560-01287153822-01287154800-01287156160- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002417.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2417">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<!--3 01287098044-01287101994-01287118068-01287152560-01287153822-01287154800-01287156160-01287157627- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002419.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2419">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01287117643- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002403.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2403">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01287117643-01287152286- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002411.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2411">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01287117643-01287152286-01287153958- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002415.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2415">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Ahmad Samir
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01287137583- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002405.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2405">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Mihai Dobrescu
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--1 01287137583-01287138030- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002406.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2406">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--2 01287137583-01287138030-01287147295- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002408.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2408">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<UL>
+<!--3 01287137583-01287138030-01287147295-01287149563- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002410.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2410">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+</UL>
+</UL>
+</UL>
+<!--0 01287144711- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002407.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
+</A><A NAME="2407">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabio.bronzini
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287148564- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002453.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2453">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Vincent
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287148930- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002409.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2409">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287152767- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002413.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2413">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marcello Anni
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287157000- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002418.html">[Mageia-discuss] Acces to the localized blogs for translators
+</A><A NAME="2418">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Damien Lallement
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287165172- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002420.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2420">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<!--0 01287166925- -->
+<LI><A HREF="002421.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Mageia-announce] Home Sweet Home!
+</A><A NAME="2421">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Stephen Germany
+</I>
+
+ </ul>
+ <p>
+ <a name="end"><b>Last message date:</b></a>
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+<PRE>On Friday 15 October 2010 11:47:07 am Marcello Anni wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; On 15 October 2010 17:00, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; On 15 October 2010 16:22, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; in the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; who contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; uphold. I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;&gt; we _can be a successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; interested in linux and in its community (and values) than
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; considering mageia as a linux distro and not to trying it as he
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; thinks it is too diffult... do you agree?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; whatever reason: - economical, he can't afford windows
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; - usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; - ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; no, we don't want to search those people. the people that choose linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; for these reasons have already installed linux in their machines, we
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; must comunicate to the people that think &quot;linux is ugly and difficult
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to use&quot; that there is the best system around the world and that they
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; didn't try it yet.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Bear in mind that those who searched will put more time/effort into
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; getting it to work, i.e. they're not doing it as a sort of stunt :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> in fact (in compatibility with manpower and marketing decisions) we must
+</I>&gt;<i> offer an increasingly ease of use also for those people (without
+</I>&gt;<i> forgetting mentors help)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;&gt; give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; more than seeing an OS from their friends (that is really useful
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; anyway, overall in the first steps), i would like to change the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; synonim linux=difficult. if you change it (as it happened often to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; me), they say to you &quot;ah, cool&quot;, but they won't ever install it .
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I don't see how that contradicts my point of _not_ promoting &quot;Mageia&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; but &quot;&quot;Mageia&quot; the Linux distro&quot;....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> it is only a different POV. (but interesting in my opinion).. you say
+</I>&gt;<i> linux-
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;mageia, i say mageia-&gt;linux : )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>Sorry to meddle, but as part of the marketing team I really want to synthesize
+both of the views exposed here instead of choosing between them. And the key
+is Graham's proposal: different branding. This does not mean reinventing the
+wheel for every single audience, as some elements can possibly be shared, but
+rather that we need to approach the kinds of users at large differently. That
+is why we look for a &quot;target&quot; market and create a brand for it. And this
+branch of the discussion fits nicely into such a proposal.
+
+You see, non-technical users, of which I am an acquaintance as I maintain tons
+of Windows boxes in my university (informally, but it's still work), barely
+have even the knowledge necessary to choose an OS. Therefore, the branding for
+them cannot possibly insert Linux or other technical details; it is more of a
+simplified picture of what Free Software is and how we insert ourselves into
+that. This is seen in our Core Values, where the main focus is showing people
+that we are a Community, not a corporation, and that we care about our users.
+On the other side we have the intermediate-to-advanced Linux users, which CAN
+and/or DO choose a Linux OS and FOSS Technologies. To these users we can
+introduce a branding that includes our special characteristics in the Linux
+world and the advantages of using our development branch, etc. But Graham's
+point still stands, that we need to define these target markets more fully so
+we can better assess the Mageia reputation in each of them.
+
+I hope this can help us reach a consensus without splitting ourselves.
+
+P.S. Sorry if I break the thread, I am not very familiar with nettiquete and
+my current mail client. IT WAS NOT INTENTIONAL, if it happens... :)
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+ <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>2010/10/15 Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gamalamboy at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Therefore, the branding for
+</I>&gt;<i> them cannot possibly insert Linux or other technical details; it is more of a
+</I>&gt;<i> simplified picture of what Free Software is and how we insert ourselves into
+</I>&gt;<i> that. This is seen in our Core Values, where the main focus is showing people
+</I>&gt;<i> that we are a Community, not a corporation, and that we care about our users.
+</I>&gt;<i> On the other side we have the intermediate-to-advanced Linux users, which CAN
+</I>&gt;<i> and/or DO choose a Linux OS and FOSS Technologies. To these users we can
+</I>&gt;<i> introduce a branding that includes our special characteristics in the Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> world and the advantages of using our development branch, etc. But Graham's
+</I>&gt;<i> point still stands, that we need to define these target markets more fully so
+</I>&gt;<i> we can better assess the Mageia reputation in each of them.
+</I>
+
+My opinion is from my POV: I'm a home user, FLOSS enthusiast, curious,
+I love computers, love to read, love to learn, love to help in forums,
+but in the end, I'm just a regular-guy-not-developer. I work in
+nothing related with computers, just an administrative employee. I'm a
+dad, I'm a husband.
+
+Said this, I start.
+
+What I see when I navigate Internet is this:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/">http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover">http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover</A>
+
+<A HREF="http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features">http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features</A>
+
+These are examples of the way other big companies &quot;sell&quot; their
+products. They keep it simple. They describe it with simplicity,
+non-technical language. Obviously, they are targeting people that know
+very little about computers, OS, software.
+
+Images are almost always showing mom+dad+kids (or teens) all together,
+around the notebook, laughing, enjoying. Or teenagers with their
+backpacks, and skates, cool clothes, doing things like chat, listening
+music, watching a video, facebook, etc.
+
+My point is that these big companies, exhibit their products with a
+&quot;common people&quot; language, showing images of common people, doing
+ordinary things.
+
+Why? because common people is the people who need to be convinced.
+Common people have doubts, maybe they are a little scare about if the
+hit a key and a program is erased.
+
+People like all of you and me, know what we want and what we need
+(talking about the OS and software and hardware).
+
+I know that I can mount a small server with an ordinary Win XP, if I
+put in it the right software. The same XP that Microsoft &quot;sell&quot; to
+ordinary people with nice images of the family watching Toy Story in
+the notebook.
+
+I (and all of you) don't need that a company mounting images of a geek
+mounting a server with Gentoo. Because we are not ordinary users. We
+need something, we go to Google, we go to forums, we read a lot, we
+pick the software we need, we set it up, and we mount whatever satisfy
+our need. We're self sufficient. We are &quot;special&quot;.
+
+We won't use Mageia because the marketing team convince us. We are
+here to build it from the very base.
+
+Ordinary people must be convinced by us (or by our marketing team)
+that Mageia is easy. That Mageia will not bite them. That they will
+watch their movies, talk with their IM friends, listen music, create
+their documents, without open a console and type &quot;dark&quot; commands that
+they can't understand.
+
+We must make &quot;common people&quot; feel comfortable in Mageia. They must
+feel joy using their computers with Mageia. To use Mageia must be easy
+and pleasurable work/play/hand around with Mageia.
+
+Of course, the console will be there for &quot;power users&quot;. Packages to
+mount a servers will also be there too. But you don't need to create a
+big marketing campaign for power users, because they know what is
+available, and how to install it and configure. And if they don't,
+they will read and learn. Because that's our nature. As regular
+people's nature is &quot;I don't care how it works, I just want it working
+right and quick&quot;.
+
+So, I'm sorry but I agree with the people who want to target this
+&quot;ordinary people&quot;. Because I don't think that making Mageia easier and
+friendly hurt or damage advanced users. Linux will be always powerful,
+with the right packages. And any advanced user can make &quot;urpmi
+my-advanced-packages&quot; whenever he/she needs.
+
+We need to attract more non-linux users. Because if all Linux distros
+have 1% of the market, and we attract just users from other distros,
+you only change the way that 1% is distributed.
+
+My respect to marketing team.
+
+Regards.
+
+
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+I agree with most everything said
+
+However i must add we should not forget the people to whose i count myself:
+Between geek and non computer literate, who use the system for work, no
+games, no fancy, but reliability, repairability, and ease of use is
+essential.
+
+Mandriva is perfect for us: easy to set up, powerful and working configuration
+tools... well you know it all.
+There are actually appearing a range of Linux tech software, here is what i
+plan to soon add in my electronic workshop:: <A HREF="http://www.saleae.com/home/,">http://www.saleae.com/home/,</A>
+<A HREF="http://spec.de/.">http://spec.de/.</A> I do almost all work in Linux and soon all. Usability and
+reliability is what matters for us and Mandriva has it, and so will Mageia,
+and it should be marketed like this for this segment.
+
+
+ There may be many segments
+
+A. The masses who only want &quot;a computer&quot;
+
+B. Serious users that want reliable system and *can* do some system
+configuration but no not want to waste too much time on it. System is a work
+house, and the user is willing to pay some monetary support, i.e
+subscription.
+
+C. geeks that want to tweak whatever. May want to participate in development.
+
+D. Server users: combination of B&amp;C
+
+E. Broad installations in schools and offices: combination of A &amp; B
+
+F. Game section is special, together with audio/video editing, streaming,
+creation etc. Maybe create someting like artistx, possibly by task-gaming,
+task-videoedit etc package(s).
+
+
+ We need to find some directions for development
+
+For A: broad hardware support, flash live system, good installers, short
+beautiful manual/guide
+
+For B: Keep on building on drak tools, maintain a wealthy forum and wiki.
+
+For C: Good system documentation, source code handling, bugzilla, developer
+channels, developer apprentice guidance
+
+
+Yes i think we can just head on development from where we forked, but work on
+branding, marketing, documentation, communication :)
+
+Just make sure we technically actually only have one system that is easily
+configurable by i.e task-packages! (the packages can not only change what
+programs are installed, but also the visual appearance)
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+<PRE>&gt;<i> 2010/10/15 Gamaliel Lamboy Rodr&#237;guez &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gamalamboy at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Therefore, the branding for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; them cannot possibly insert Linux or other technical details; it is more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of a simplified picture of what Free Software is and how we insert
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ourselves into that. This is seen in our Core Values, where the main
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; focus is showing people that we are a Community, not a corporation, and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that we care about our users. On the other side we have the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; intermediate-to-advanced Linux users, which CAN and/or DO choose a Linux
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OS and FOSS Technologies. To these users we can introduce a branding
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that includes our special characteristics in the Linux world and the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; advantages of using our development branch, etc. But Graham's point
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; still stands, that we need to define these target markets more fully so
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; we can better assess the Mageia reputation in each of them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My opinion is from my POV: I'm a home user, FLOSS enthusiast, curious,
+</I>&gt;<i> I love computers, love to read, love to learn, love to help in forums,
+</I>&gt;<i> but in the end, I'm just a regular-guy-not-developer. I work in
+</I>&gt;<i> nothing related with computers, just an administrative employee. I'm a
+</I>&gt;<i> dad, I'm a husband.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Said this, I start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What I see when I navigate Internet is this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/">http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover">http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features">http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are examples of the way other big companies &quot;sell&quot; their
+</I>&gt;<i> products. They keep it simple. They describe it with simplicity,
+</I>&gt;<i> non-technical language. Obviously, they are targeting people that know
+</I>&gt;<i> very little about computers, OS, software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Images are almost always showing mom+dad+kids (or teens) all together,
+</I>&gt;<i> around the notebook, laughing, enjoying. Or teenagers with their
+</I>&gt;<i> backpacks, and skates, cool clothes, doing things like chat, listening
+</I>&gt;<i> music, watching a video, facebook, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My point is that these big companies, exhibit their products with a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;common people&quot; language, showing images of common people, doing
+</I>&gt;<i> ordinary things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why? because common people is the people who need to be convinced.
+</I>&gt;<i> Common people have doubts, maybe they are a little scare about if the
+</I>&gt;<i> hit a key and a program is erased.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People like all of you and me, know what we want and what we need
+</I>&gt;<i> (talking about the OS and software and hardware).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know that I can mount a small server with an ordinary Win XP, if I
+</I>&gt;<i> put in it the right software. The same XP that Microsoft &quot;sell&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> ordinary people with nice images of the family watching Toy Story in
+</I>&gt;<i> the notebook.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I (and all of you) don't need that a company mounting images of a geek
+</I>&gt;<i> mounting a server with Gentoo. Because we are not ordinary users. We
+</I>&gt;<i> need something, we go to Google, we go to forums, we read a lot, we
+</I>&gt;<i> pick the software we need, we set it up, and we mount whatever satisfy
+</I>&gt;<i> our need. We're self sufficient. We are &quot;special&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We won't use Mageia because the marketing team convince us. We are
+</I>&gt;<i> here to build it from the very base.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ordinary people must be convinced by us (or by our marketing team)
+</I>&gt;<i> that Mageia is easy. That Mageia will not bite them. That they will
+</I>&gt;<i> watch their movies, talk with their IM friends, listen music, create
+</I>&gt;<i> their documents, without open a console and type &quot;dark&quot; commands that
+</I>&gt;<i> they can't understand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We must make &quot;common people&quot; feel comfortable in Mageia. They must
+</I>&gt;<i> feel joy using their computers with Mageia. To use Mageia must be easy
+</I>&gt;<i> and pleasurable work/play/hand around with Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, the console will be there for &quot;power users&quot;. Packages to
+</I>&gt;<i> mount a servers will also be there too. But you don't need to create a
+</I>&gt;<i> big marketing campaign for power users, because they know what is
+</I>&gt;<i> available, and how to install it and configure. And if they don't,
+</I>&gt;<i> they will read and learn. Because that's our nature. As regular
+</I>&gt;<i> people's nature is &quot;I don't care how it works, I just want it working
+</I>&gt;<i> right and quick&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, I'm sorry but I agree with the people who want to target this
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;ordinary people&quot;. Because I don't think that making Mageia easier and
+</I>&gt;<i> friendly hurt or damage advanced users. Linux will be always powerful,
+</I>&gt;<i> with the right packages. And any advanced user can make &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> my-advanced-packages&quot; whenever he/she needs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to attract more non-linux users. Because if all Linux distros
+</I>&gt;<i> have 1% of the market, and we attract just users from other distros,
+</I>&gt;<i> you only change the way that 1% is distributed.
+</I>
++1
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My respect to marketing team.
+</I>
+thanks : )
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Regards.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
+</I>
+
+cheers,
+Marcello
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+</I>&gt;<i> I agree with most everything said
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However i must add we should not forget the people to whose i count myself:
+</I>&gt;<i> Between geek and non computer literate, who use the system for work, no
+</I>&gt;<i> games, no fancy, but reliability, repairability, and ease of use is
+</I>&gt;<i> essential.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva is perfect for us: easy to set up, powerful and working
+</I>configuration
+&gt;<i> tools... well you know it all.
+</I>&gt;<i> There are actually appearing a range of Linux tech software, here is what i
+</I>&gt;<i> plan to soon add in my electronic workshop:: <A HREF="http://www.saleae.com/home/,">http://www.saleae.com/home/,</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://spec.de/.">http://spec.de/.</A> I do almost all work in Linux and soon all. Usability and
+</I>&gt;<i> reliability is what matters for us and Mandriva has it, and so will Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> and it should be marketed like this for this segment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There may be many segments
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A. The masses who only want &quot;a computer&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> B. Serious users that want reliable system and *can* do some system
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration but no not want to waste too much time on it. System is a work
+</I>&gt;<i> house, and the user is willing to pay some monetary support, i.e
+</I>&gt;<i> subscription.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> C. geeks that want to tweak whatever. May want to participate in
+</I>development.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> D. Server users: combination of B&amp;C
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> E. Broad installations in schools and offices: combination of A &amp; B
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> F. Game section is special, together with audio/video editing, streaming,
+</I>&gt;<i> creation etc. Maybe create someting like artistx, possibly by task-gaming,
+</I>&gt;<i> task-videoedit etc package(s).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to find some directions for development
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For A: broad hardware support, flash live system, good installers, short
+</I>&gt;<i> beautiful manual/guide
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For B: Keep on building on drak tools, maintain a wealthy forum and wiki.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For C: Good system documentation, source code handling, bugzilla, developer
+</I>&gt;<i> channels, developer apprentice guidance
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes i think we can just head on development from where we forked, but work
+</I>on
+&gt;<i> branding, marketing, documentation, communication :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Just make sure we technically actually only have one system that is easily
+</I>&gt;<i> configurable by i.e task-packages! (the packages can not only change what
+</I>&gt;<i> programs are installed, but also the visual appearance)
+</I>
+
+interesting... graham, can we add this to Target Market page?
+
+
+Marcello
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-16 05:29, Marcello Anni a &#233;crit :
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree with most everything said
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> However i must add we should not forget the people to whose i count myself:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Between geek and non computer literate, who use the system for work, no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> games, no fancy, but reliability, repairability, and ease of use is
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> essential.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva is perfect for us: easy to set up, powerful and working
+</I>&gt;<i> configuration
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> tools... well you know it all.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There are actually appearing a range of Linux tech software, here is what i
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> plan to soon add in my electronic workshop:: <A HREF="http://www.saleae.com/home/,">http://www.saleae.com/home/,</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://spec.de/.">http://spec.de/.</A> I do almost all work in Linux and soon all. Usability and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> reliability is what matters for us and Mandriva has it, and so will Mageia,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and it should be marketed like this for this segment.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> There may be many segments
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A. The masses who only want &quot;a computer&quot;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> B. Serious users that want reliable system and *can* do some system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configuration but no not want to waste too much time on it. System is a work
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> house, and the user is willing to pay some monetary support, i.e
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> subscription.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> C. geeks that want to tweak whatever. May want to participate in
+</I>&gt;<i> development.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> D. Server users: combination of B&amp;C
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> E. Broad installations in schools and offices: combination of A&amp; B
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> F. Game section is special, together with audio/video editing, streaming,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> creation etc. Maybe create someting like artistx, possibly by task-gaming,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> task-videoedit etc package(s).
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> We need to find some directions for development
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For A: broad hardware support, flash live system, good installers, short
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> beautiful manual/guide
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For B: Keep on building on drak tools, maintain a wealthy forum and wiki.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For C: Good system documentation, source code handling, bugzilla, developer
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> channels, developer apprentice guidance
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes i think we can just head on development from where we forked, but work
+</I>&gt;<i> on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> branding, marketing, documentation, communication :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Just make sure we technically actually only have one system that is easily
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> configurable by i.e task-packages! (the packages can not only change what
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> programs are installed, but also the visual appearance)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> interesting... graham, can we add this to Target Market page?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+We have covered most of these (if not more) on the marketing wiki group
+section. I will take a look at it again to make sure. But, yes, we have
+covered these.
+
+Marc
+Marketing team member
+
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+&gt;<i> I agree with most everything said
+</I>Not quite evident to understand in this quite controversial discussion!
+
+I cant keep my tong away from my cheek - sorry. The real point for my
+reply is: I am getting more and more confused with the ultimate goal
+pursued by Mageia:
+
+- (1) Does Mageia define its profile and then develops sales arguments
+for how to sell the distro?
+or
+- (2) Does Mageia make a list of sales arguments and then designs the
+distro that goes with these arguments?
+
+Probably it is a mix of both - but there should be a clear priority. I
+had understood Mageia to be a community distro, i.e. no question, (1):
+shape the distro according to the needs of the community - and then (OK,
+plan beforehand) see how to hook more &quot;customers&quot;. I believe in the
+solidity of the community behind Mageia and its opinions - what this
+community judges right has a large probability of being &quot;right&quot; - why
+forget this achievement and base judgement on opportunity (afraid, my
+tong again ...)
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-16 11:24, Juergen Harms a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 10/16/2010 09:29 AM, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I agree with most everything said
+</I>&gt;<i> Not quite evident to understand in this quite controversial discussion!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I cant keep my tong away from my cheek - sorry. The real point for my
+</I>&gt;<i> reply is: I am getting more and more confused with the ultimate goal
+</I>&gt;<i> pursued by Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - (1) Does Mageia define its profile and then develops sales arguments
+</I>&gt;<i> for how to sell the distro?
+</I>&gt;<i> or
+</I>&gt;<i> - (2) Does Mageia make a list of sales arguments and then designs the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro that goes with these arguments?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Probably it is a mix of both - but there should be a clear priority. I
+</I>&gt;<i> had understood Mageia to be a community distro, i.e. no question, (1):
+</I>&gt;<i> shape the distro according to the needs of the community - and then (OK,
+</I>&gt;<i> plan beforehand) see how to hook more &quot;customers&quot;. I believe in the
+</I>&gt;<i> solidity of the community behind Mageia and its opinions - what this
+</I>&gt;<i> community judges right has a large probability of being &quot;right&quot; - why
+</I>&gt;<i> forget this achievement and base judgement on opportunity (afraid, my
+</I>&gt;<i> tong again ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks for your note. You are absolutely correct.
+
+We are just in the planning stages of the marketing philosophy, so these
+discussions are important feedback for the Mageia marketing team. We are
+lurking the user/dev discussion groups and trying to pick up feedback as
+well as asking questions to the community to gauge community expectations.
+
+We have to keep in mind that everything has to keep in line with our
+values <A HREF="http://mageia.org/en/about/values/">http://mageia.org/en/about/values/</A> posted on the site.
+
+It is a community distro and everyone's opinion counts.
+
+Tell us what you feel. We need to hear your opinions.
+
+Marc
+Marketing Team Member
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-16 17:24:24 skrev Juergen Harms:
+&gt;<i> On 10/16/2010 09:29 AM, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I agree with most everything said
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Not quite evident to understand in this quite controversial discussion!
+</I>
+Right. My bad wording
+I meant I can understand points from different viewports, althoug i weigh some
+more than other.
+Umm... now i probably confused you even more ;)
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+Gustavo Giampaoli &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w at public.gmane.org</A>&gt; wrote:
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+
+&gt;<i> My opinion is from my POV: I'm a home user, FLOSS enthusiast, curious,
+</I>&gt;<i> I love computers, love to read, love to learn, love to help in forums,
+</I>&gt;<i> but in the end, I'm just a regular-guy-not-developer. I work in
+</I>&gt;<i> nothing related with computers, just an administrative employee. I'm a
+</I>&gt;<i> dad, I'm a husband.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Said this, I start.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What I see when I navigate Internet is this:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/">http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/">http://www.apple.com/macosx/what-is-macosx/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover">http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/discover</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features">http://www.ubuntu.com/desktop/features</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These are examples of the way other big companies &quot;sell&quot; their
+</I>&gt;<i> products. They keep it simple. They describe it with simplicity,
+</I>&gt;<i> non-technical language. Obviously, they are targeting people that know
+</I>&gt;<i> very little about computers, OS, software.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Images are almost always showing mom+dad+kids (or teens) all together,
+</I>&gt;<i> around the notebook, laughing, enjoying. Or teenagers with their
+</I>&gt;<i> backpacks, and skates, cool clothes, doing things like chat, listening
+</I>&gt;<i> music, watching a video, facebook, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My point is that these big companies, exhibit their products with a
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;common people&quot; language, showing images of common people, doing
+</I>&gt;<i> ordinary things.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why? because common people is the people who need to be convinced.
+</I>&gt;<i> Common people have doubts, maybe they are a little scare about if the
+</I>&gt;<i> hit a key and a program is erased.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People like all of you and me, know what we want and what we need
+</I>&gt;<i> (talking about the OS and software and hardware).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I know that I can mount a small server with an ordinary Win XP, if I
+</I>&gt;<i> put in it the right software. The same XP that Microsoft &quot;sell&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> ordinary people with nice images of the family watching Toy Story in
+</I>&gt;<i> the notebook.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I (and all of you) don't need that a company mounting images of a geek
+</I>&gt;<i> mounting a server with Gentoo. Because we are not ordinary users. We
+</I>&gt;<i> need something, we go to Google, we go to forums, we read a lot, we
+</I>&gt;<i> pick the software we need, we set it up, and we mount whatever satisfy
+</I>&gt;<i> our need. We're self sufficient. We are &quot;special&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We won't use Mageia because the marketing team convince us. We are
+</I>&gt;<i> here to build it from the very base.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ordinary people must be convinced by us (or by our marketing team)
+</I>&gt;<i> that Mageia is easy. That Mageia will not bite them. That they will
+</I>&gt;<i> watch their movies, talk with their IM friends, listen music, create
+</I>&gt;<i> their documents, without open a console and type &quot;dark&quot; commands that
+</I>&gt;<i> they can't understand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We must make &quot;common people&quot; feel comfortable in Mageia. They must
+</I>&gt;<i> feel joy using their computers with Mageia. To use Mageia must be easy
+</I>&gt;<i> and pleasurable work/play/hand around with Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, the console will be there for &quot;power users&quot;. Packages to
+</I>&gt;<i> mount a servers will also be there too. But you don't need to create a
+</I>&gt;<i> big marketing campaign for power users, because they know what is
+</I>&gt;<i> available, and how to install it and configure. And if they don't,
+</I>&gt;<i> they will read and learn. Because that's our nature. As regular
+</I>&gt;<i> people's nature is &quot;I don't care how it works, I just want it working
+</I>&gt;<i> right and quick&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, I'm sorry but I agree with the people who want to target this
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;ordinary people&quot;. Because I don't think that making Mageia easier and
+</I>&gt;<i> friendly hurt or damage advanced users. Linux will be always powerful,
+</I>&gt;<i> with the right packages. And any advanced user can make &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> my-advanced-packages&quot; whenever he/she needs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to attract more non-linux users. Because if all Linux distros
+</I>&gt;<i> have 1% of the market, and we attract just users from other distros,
+</I>&gt;<i> you only change the way that 1% is distributed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I agree with this POV, Our main goal must be capture as many as possible non-linux users, no cannibalize the same linux users from other distros.
+
+I think we need to do many things in new and different ways. We take risks, try things that have not been tested yet.
+
+What should we do? Whatever it takes! (According to our values)
+
+Ubuntu a few years ago was born with a fixed idea, at first everyone said that this would accomplish nothing. Over the years that distribution has become the most popular, despite all objections, has contributed like no other to increase knowledge and use of Linux. (Please before to reply against that read it well, personally I'm not promoting Ubuntu or it's way, I'm only write about facts)
+
+If we look back we see that the same happened with the Mac, and even further back in time to the PC itself did something similar.
+
+Recent history is full of examples: the Model T, the seat belt, Aspirin and of course Viagra, are some of them.
+
+As well as here, at the dev mail list there are a large thread about changes. IMHO it is happen because inside the community there are thoughts on necessary new way.
+
+We are a fork from Mandriva, we aren't a clone. For this reason we are try to take the best of our &quot;mother&quot; and as the childes all over the world at any time, we want to improve our own way.
+
+Again IMHO our main goal should be increase the base of new users, and we must do into Mageia.
+
+Regards from Mexico
+
+Fernando
+--
+Fernando Parra &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>&gt;
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+<LI><A HREF="002423.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
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+</A><A NAME="2424">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
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+<LI><A HREF="002425.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
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+<I>Marcello Anni
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+<LI><A HREF="002426.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
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+<I>Marcello Anni
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+<PRE>I know that the simplest method is to format the system partition and install Mageia. But it's not a good idea since Mandriva Linux Free is used as a server system. So, is it possible to upgrade the installed packages and settings of Mandriva to the ones of Mageia? Will Mageia have an edition as Mandriva Linux Free?
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+&gt;<i> I know that the simplest method is to format the system partition and install Mageia. But it's not a good idea since Mandriva Linux Free is used as a server system. So, is it possible to upgrade the installed packages and settings of Mandriva to the ones of Mageia? Will Mageia have an edition as Mandriva Linux Free?
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+&gt;&gt;<i> I agree with most everything said
+</I>&gt;<i> Not quite evident to understand in this quite controversial discussion!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I cant keep my tong away from my cheek - sorry. The real point for my
+</I>&gt;<i> reply is: I am getting more and more confused with the ultimate goal
+</I>&gt;<i> pursued by Mageia:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> - (1) Does Mageia define its profile and then develops sales arguments
+</I>&gt;<i> for how to sell the distro?
+</I>&gt;<i> or
+</I>&gt;<i> - (2) Does Mageia make a list of sales arguments and then designs the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro that goes with these arguments?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Probably it is a mix of both - but there should be a clear priority. I
+</I>&gt;<i> had understood Mageia to be a community distro, i.e. no question, (1):
+</I>&gt;<i> shape the distro according to the needs of the community - and then (OK,
+</I>&gt;<i> plan beforehand) see how to hook more &quot;customers&quot;. I believe in the
+</I>&gt;<i> solidity of the community behind Mageia and its opinions - what this
+</I>&gt;<i> community judges right has a large probability of being &quot;right&quot; - why
+</I>&gt;<i> forget this achievement and base judgement on opportunity (afraid, my
+</I>&gt;<i> tong again ...)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+It's this idea of &quot;community&quot; that has been the bane of virtually all
+Linux distributions. It's part of the reason that we have failed to
+conquer the desktop. If Android were a &quot;community&quot; mobile distribution, it
+would not be in the position that it currently occupies.
+
+Instead of focusing on the needs of the community, why not start thinking
+of building a distribution for main stream users. Think about how
+successful companies design their products. Think about what has made
+Apple so successful. It's vision and foresight. It's knowing what people
+need and building it, before they even realize that they need it.
+
+The whole idea of listening to thousands of opinions on how a distribution
+should be designed stymies real progress, especially when most of those
+opinions are not based on a real understanding of the subject matter.
+
+You get a group of people who have a certain degree of expertize in their
+field, and get them to design and build a product. In this particular case
+it should be very easy. Just look around. There are hundreds of
+distributions that we can co-opt features from and then make them better.
+
+We do not need a thousand opinions to do that.
+
+--
+Fini Decima
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+new copy of my original post (in text-only format)&gt;
+
+(ENGLISH)
+
+Good morning,
+i like very well the possibility to use Mageia Linux on a USB pen drive, as
+many other distro-Linux, may be we could propose to the authors of
+freeware-Windows-utilities (like Universal USB Installer or UnetBootIn) to
+support Mageia Linux in the next release....?
+
+I tried the next version/release of Universal USB Installer (1.8.04) - un
+update especially for the new Ubuntu Linux 10.10 (released on 10.10, the
+same day of Ubuntu 10.10), i wrote an italian article for a professional-web
+portal (called Consulenti ICT Italia) about this utility-freeware for
+Windows (which can make quickly a Linux-pen-drive bootable using a common PC
+with Windows Vista/7/XP by an iso files of a distro-Linux, and not only
+Ubuntu Linux)
+
+You'll be able to read my article (in italian), following this URL link:
+
+<A HREF="http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html">http://www.consulenti-ict.it/Area-Tecnica/Distribuzioni-GNU/Linux/universal-usb-installer-1804-e-ubuntu-linux-1010.html</A>
+
+If you need an help to test the next Mageia Linux stable version (even a
+beta) with Universal USB Installer (or similar utility freeware for Windows
+systems), i'll be happy to support you.. i'm available also to wirte an
+italian article on/about Mageia Linux (the next stable release when it will
+be available), i'm a freelance writer for some italian ICT magazines such as
+Consulenti ICT Italia, Linux Magazine, TechAssistance, Infomedia-Computer
+Programming, etc.
+
+My best wishes to Mageia Linux, sincerely
+
+Fabio Bronzini
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fabio.bronzini at email.it</A>
+Visit my blog: <A HREF="http://giornalinux.blogspot.com">http://giornalinux.blogspot.com</A>
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+<PRE>Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/13 Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that the marketing/communications committee is working through steps
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> that lead to branding suggestions. We are almost done with the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> presenting our suggestions.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> As I wrote I do agree as well.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>Indeed he did
+&gt;&gt;<i> did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;, whenever that will be.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like, basing the procedure on
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because it's
+</I>&gt;<i> like talking to a brick wall ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Excuse us if we have the same impression
+&gt;<i> However, you still stubbornly hold to the view that somehow, by a piece of
+</I>&gt;<i> grand magic that nobody else in the business world has ever managed to do,
+</I>&gt;<i> unless they are a monopoly, we can come up with something that suits everyone
+</I>&gt;<i> in the world of all ages. Tell us what that secret is because you'll be able
+</I>&gt;<i> to sell it for millions. Usually the people who say this are in reality saying
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Everybody in MY demographic&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Somehow you sound like you think you that Mageia can be marketed like
+cosmetics.
+This isn't fantasy island. And Linux and computers aren't gimmicks.
+&gt;<i> The reality is: We are going into a saturated market, there are hundreds of
+</I>&gt;<i> distros out there, the successful ones have identified their target markets
+</I>&gt;<i> and branded to that market, The major competitor works effectively in a
+</I>&gt;<i> Monopolistic atmosphere while still spending $US500 million annually on
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing and you think they don't target markets!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sure. Their target market is anyone who thinks that they might want a
+computer. Or any company that might want to sell one. And the many
+thousands of politicians easily swayed by campaign contributions ...
+(It worked in Massachusetts.)
+&gt;<i> We have been working on publishing the Core Values over the past week or so,
+</I>&gt;<i> that immediately defines a market in and of itself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The families market suggestion was one that came to me because of personal
+</I>&gt;<i> experience in my business in that my most successful instances of selling
+</I>&gt;<i> linux have (after studying results) been in a family environment where the
+</I>&gt;<i> small network support model was functioning.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now in my market then the target would be the Mothers, in Germany, according
+</I>&gt;<i> to your analysis, the Fathers, in each of these markets the upshot of success
+</I>&gt;<i> is 2.4 users, or possibly more if you count 3 generations (Or whatever your
+</I>&gt;<i> average family size wherever you are) and an instant local support network
+</I>&gt;<i> (MS's greatest strength).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The point is the suggestion was made giving due consideration to a pile of
+</I>&gt;<i> factors including maintaining user base, aka: Brand Loyalty (Kevin Roberts, of
+</I>&gt;<i> Saatchis calls 'Building Love Brands' and he often cites Apple as an
+</I>&gt;<i> example).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not. Apple's
+</I>&gt;<i> target is young, high disposable income, singles. To me that's obvious and I
+</I>&gt;<i> could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot; ???? naturally
+</I>&gt;<i> by someone in that demographic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Hate to burst your bubble, but in Canada Apple computers biggest market
+penetration is post-secondary students - not exactly a high income group.
+&gt;<i> Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.
+</I>Make up your mind - is it a science, or an art form ?
+It can't be both.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to get on with it and no matter what there is an absolute given:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;You cannot please all of the people all of the time&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or even
+</I>&gt;<i> identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic positive
+</I>&gt;<i> alternatives will be well received.
+</I>If Mageia restricts itself to one target market, that's not going to help.
+It needs to reach out in many directions, with many focuses.
+It won't survive without an active contributing community, which means
+in the near and medium term, appealing to current Mandriva users and
+contributors.
+One can *add* various targets, but to centre everything around a
+hypothetical, unproven target is suicide. And no amount of marketing
+mumble jumble will change that.
+Of course, if you want to sell used cars ...
+&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+my 2 cents
+- Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>On dimanche 17 octobre 2010 at 03:11, LinuxBSDos.com wrote :
+&gt;<i> It's this idea of &quot;community&quot; that has been the bane of virtually all
+</I>&gt;<i> Linux distributions. It's part of the reason that we have failed to
+</I>&gt;<i> conquer the desktop. If Android were a &quot;community&quot; mobile distribution,
+</I>&gt;<i> it would not be in the position that it currently occupies.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Instead of focusing on the needs of the community, why not start thinking
+</I>&gt;<i> of building a distribution for main stream users. Think about how
+</I>&gt;<i> successful companies design their products. Think about what has made
+</I>&gt;<i> Apple so successful. It's vision and foresight. It's knowing what people
+</I>&gt;<i> need and building it, before they even realize that they need it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The whole idea of listening to thousands of opinions on how a
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution should be designed stymies real progress, especially when
+</I>&gt;<i> most of those opinions are not based on a real understanding of the
+</I>&gt;<i> subject matter.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You get a group of people who have a certain degree of expertize in their
+</I>&gt;<i> field, and get them to design and build a product. In this particular
+</I>&gt;<i> case it should be very easy. Just look around. There are hundreds of
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions that we can co-opt features from and then make them better.
+</I>
+Contrary to android and macos (and mandriva) which are backed by
+enterprises, mageia is a community project.
+So if you throw away the community, there is nothing left.
+
+--
+Renaud Michel
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+<PRE>Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 16:16:39 Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Graham Lauder wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> try to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to be the best we can be to those who grow to love the brand.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> True, but you are forgetting to take into account the views of the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> developers and packagers of Mageia. Without them there will be no Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro and since partecipation is on an unpaid volunteer basis, no
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> grand plan of shaping the distro from a marketing POV will succeed, if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it doesn't match the views of a large part of the devs and packagers.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What has that got to do with it, there is always an internal component to the
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing, goes without saying
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>That has everything to do with it. Without contributors, Mageia does
+not exist.
+As simple as that.
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> This is not a criticism of your work (which I'm sure is well meant), but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it's a simple but crucial fact that you have to take into account.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Damned by faint praise, and frankly I'm insulted, I suggest you read the Core
+</I>&gt;<i> Values statement which is up on the website now I think and which I and my
+</I>&gt;<i> team put together in deep consultation with the founders.
+</I>You may be making useful contributions, but your attitude towards others
+opinions does not make you welcome. A little less arrogance would be
+appreciated.
+By the way, the core values statement definitely needs refining,
+although it is a start. In general, it is not surprising for a
+community-based open source distribution. But not (yet) a work of art.
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> All linux distributions at the moment have a less than 1.5% of the total
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> market, however in the area where they have targeted a particular user
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> set, Webservers, the market penetration is somewhere around the 65%
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> mark.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And that's because of the simple fact that Linux is the best technical
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> choice for that specific application and the decisionmakers are techies
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> who know that, it has nothing to do with marketing.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> If anything it shows how marketing counts for nothing when techies and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> experts make choices.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm really trying to be restrained here but I think you should talk to RedHat
+</I>&gt;<i> and SuSE and so forth the companies that have driven most of that market and
+</I>&gt;<i> ask them if the did no marketing.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You could at least have the courtesy to acknowlege the point.
+Of course one can market on the basis of technical traits. But that is
+not what you are proposing for Mageia. At least not in your postings.
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of computer users and you will see that the &quot;one size fits all&quot; does not
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> equal significant market share.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Mandriva is not a &quot;one size fits all&quot;. It is the best Linux desktop
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distro, but it's not the best choice as a server distro or for many
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> other uses.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The fact that it doesn't have more users is primarily due to the unfair
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> advantage that Windows has because it comes preinstalled on PCs.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That is in fact patently untrue, I remember when Mandrake was trumpeting the
+</I>&gt;<i> fact that you could buy it preinstalled back about 9.0 I think, can't
+</I>&gt;<i> remember.
+</I>But only if you lived in France at the time. Where market penetration
+is a bit more impressive.
+However, virtually every computer comes with Microsoft preinstalled.
+(And the ms tax included.) Being honest, you should acknowledge his
+point, which is clearly well founded. But that would be the high road ...
+&gt;<i> MS spends 500 million a year on marketing, just to maintain that
+</I>&gt;<i> market share.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>And how much of that goes to campaign contributions and the like. Or is
+that in addition to the 500 million ?
+&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious reasons,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of reliability
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo design is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> aimed at a 30 to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in this group
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> and to whom &quot;Gulls&quot; = Freedom.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I very much doubt any OOo user chose it because of the logo, personally
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I chose software on technical and usability merits, not logo design and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> even all non-techies I know do the same.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Oh for crying out loud is there a virus around here that imbues density...
+</I>Logical point. Just who has the virus ?
+&gt;<i> OF
+</I>&gt;<i> COURSE they didn't choose because of the Logo, ye gods if you so much as had
+</I>&gt;<i> an inkling of the smallest piece of Marketing science you would see how
+</I>&gt;<i> nonsensical that statement is in terms of what we are talking about,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>So in other words, you agree that the logo is *not* important to why
+people chose software. So why have you been trumpeting choosing the
+right logo for the target market ?
+&gt;<i> especially when you say it as though you have a deep dark knowledge. I don't
+</I>&gt;<i> really have time to do marketing 101 here and It's wasting my time when I
+</I>&gt;<i> could be doing the more useful things that the Founders have asked us to do.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However:
+</I>&gt;<i> Marketing raises Brand awareness
+</I>&gt;<i> It connects a value with the product in the Consumers mind
+</I>&gt;<i> It connects a brand with people on an emotional level
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's it, Getting people to use it is Sales which is a different beast
+</I>&gt;<i> altogether.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We get people to see the brand, connect with the brand and then think about
+</I>&gt;<i> investigating it after that it's sales and engineering.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Software is not a car or a handbag or a jacket, those are items where
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> looks and design counts a lot, with software the only design that counts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is UI interface design aimed at maximising usability.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is an old saying there are none so blind as those that will not see, and
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Yes indeed. Have you looked in a mirror lately ?
+&gt;<i> it doesn't matter how good the UI is, if no-one looks at it, it's the same for
+</I>&gt;<i> anything, you can make it as pretty and as usable as you want if nobody knows
+</I>&gt;<i> the brand exists then the only ones that will connect are the ones that
+</I>&gt;<i> stumble across it accidentally.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Once more, this is wasting my time and there is no point in discussing this
+</I>&gt;<i> with a closed mind and entrenched attitudes.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>You could try to be a little less arrogant, a little more polite, and a
+little more coherent. It might lower your blood pressure a bit. And it
+certainly would be appreciated by the community.
+&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Sorry if you take offense at my comments, but frankly, your attitude
+towards other's opinions borders on intolerable. And I strongly dislike
+seeing others abused for politely expressing entirely reasonable opinions.
+
+- Andr&#233;
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+<PRE>Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 20:28:38 Olivier M&#233;jean wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Being the best linux distro is not enough nowadays, we must let it know
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> widely and do feel that Mageia is not yet another distribution among
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> hundreds of distribution. Mageia is your future distribution even if you
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't know it yet ! :)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And that is a fallacy of thinking, we should not be competing against other
+</I>&gt;<i> distros, we compete against MS
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I agree to a degree - but there are 2 things we need to attract to
+Mageia - ordinary users, who will not contribute more that bug reports
+at best - and active contributors.
+The former would hopefully come largely from the Ms (and why not Apple)
+world, but the latter almost surely will be largely from the
+Linux/Unix/BSD world. That doesn't necessarily mean that they will
+cease contributing to their current distro, as many contributors
+participate in more than one distro. But their support will be
+essential if Mageia is to make big inroads.
+&gt;&gt;<i> Anyway, i don't think we can just transpose what's done for OOo to Mageia.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> OOo just compete to MS Office, Mageia compete to hundreds of Linux
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Distribution, and other OS, not quite the same scale.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You are kidding of course, OOo competes in a very competitive environment.
+</I>&gt;<i> KOffice, Gnome Office just in the Linux space, then on windows we're up
+</I>&gt;<i> against Wordperfect, who have huge history in the space, Lotus Symphony, MS
+</I>&gt;<i> Works etc. In the Linux space, Mageia competes with a whole pile small
+</I>&gt;<i> players in a small market. Total is around 1.5% of the total OS market, then
+</I>&gt;<i> there is 3.5 % for Mac and the rest MS.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>KOffice - the reviews I've seen show that it lacks a lot compared with
+OOo. As well, it requires installing most of the KDE desktop, which is
+huge. And not nearly as widely used as Gnome.
+Gnome Office is a dream. (Or nightmare, depending on your point of
+view.) It barely works. A very basic word processor, and basic
+spreadsheet. No presentation. No database. No drawing module.
+In the Ms environment, Ms-office is very expensive, even the minimal
+version. Wordperfect suite is less expensive, but still paid. Athough
+very nice, it has retreated to a niche market, and is not widely used.
+Ms-works is free but nowhere near as complete as OOo.
+Lotus suite is also free, but had almost disappeared.
+So essentially, OOo has no serious competition in the Linux world.
+In the Ms environment, it is free vs paid, or more functional than its
+competitors.
+
+Now lets consider operating systems. Since Ms comes preinstalled on
+virtually all new computers, it is preceived as free by end-users. So
+Linux being free is not perceived as advantageous.
+Even though it takes longer to install Ms-windows than Mandriva, since
+users would rarely install Ms-windows, the time it takes to install
+Linux is seen as an impediment. As well, although the name Linux is
+generally known, detailed information for supporting Linux is generally
+unknown, even though (Mandriva) Linux has more or less equivalent
+fonctionality.
+&gt;<i> Now the following is my opinion only to be taken with grain of salt or
+</I>&gt;<i> whatever condiment you prefer.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We are in the desktop computing market, the chunk we want a part of is at
+</I>&gt;<i> present occupied by MS.
+</I>Agreed.
+&gt;<i> In this market the name we want to promote is Mageia,
+</I>&gt;<i> we have no need to identify with Linux.
+</I>Not agreed. Since the name Linux is often known, even though details
+are generally unknown, associating Mageia with Linux lets more people
+know what kind of animal (so to speak) Mageia is.
+This has 2 advantages. The increased familiarity should lower any
+resistance to trying Mageia, for those Ms users who are open to trying
+something new.
+And contributors to other Linux/Unix/BSD distros are more likely to
+contribute to Mageia, even if they continue to actively support their
+current distro.
+If you are thinking of Ubuntu, don't forget that they started with paid
+promotion &#224; la Microsoft, so it hardly parallels Mageia's situation.
+&gt;<i> I have no problem helping the others
+</I>&gt;<i> into the market but we need to focus on MS users. If we happen to increase
+</I>&gt;<i> the market for Linux then great but our focus should be on Mageia. Right now
+</I>&gt;<i> there are too many distros, linux is confusing to the market, we have no need
+</I>&gt;<i> to identify with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Most other distros target niche markets, and are oriented to hackers or
+those fed up with Ms's agressive and anti-competitive marketing. There
+are relatively few distros which have the strengths of Mandriva (which
+Mageia will inherit) and the community orientation of Mageia. A major
+weakness of Mandriva has been a lack of focus in its promotion,
+particularly outside the Linux community, and of course the inherent
+conflict between community and commercial focus.
+So yes, a focus (among others) on attracting current Ms users (who
+likely will dual-boot), but let's not forget the Linux community, which
+is a large part of strengths of Mandriva (and now Mageia).
+&gt;<i> Our goal should be be seen as the primary alternative to the encumbent leader
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Or a major alternative. Ubuntu is not going to disappear.
+&gt;<i> Focus on why we are better and tell the world.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>But not with the blatent egosism of Ms.
+&gt;<i> When the Steve gets people making videos like this
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://blogs.technet.com/b/whymicrosoft/archive/2010/10/05/15-customers-who-">http://blogs.technet.com/b/whymicrosoft/archive/2010/10/05/15-customers-who-</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> switched-to-microsoft-office-after-evaluating-openoffice-org.aspx
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> but focused on Mageia then we know we've made it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Like most Ms negative presentations, it is totally oriented to the
+businesses, who are less concerned with the cost of acquisition than the
+supposed cost of paid support. Pure FUD, with barely a pretence of
+presentation of facts. As a community distro, our focus is not
+businesses wanting paid support.
+If we are openly associated with Linux in our approach to Ms users, Ms
+will have a lot tougher target. Note that despite FUD against Linux, Ms
+does, in various ways, offer limited support for Linux as well. They
+realise that Linux is not going away any time soon, and it is in their
+interests to cooperate to some degree.
+&gt;&gt;<i> Olivier
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
+</I>&gt;<i> GL
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+my 2 cents
+- Andr&#233; (andre999)
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+<PRE>Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Hey everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so, to re-frame a bit things and cool down.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First, thank you all for this conversation. That shows you care. And
+</I>&gt;<i> that's great. At times, we may disagree with each other, we may not
+</I>&gt;<i> manage properly yet how we say things, we may look or be a bit slow or
+</I>&gt;<i> too fast. But we still can make something together - provided we aim
+</I>&gt;<i> something in common, we trust and respect each other and we know how
+</I>&gt;<i> to step down and apologize when needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not to say it's easy. It's probably the hardest part. We just
+</I>&gt;<i> have to take it into account and build our way with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A quick note the about logo proposals thing. Right, we may pause it,
+</I>&gt;<i> however everyone started to propose logos even before we talked about
+</I>&gt;<i> it; so at least we reframe the proposals a bit without making a full
+</I>&gt;<i> stop. That gives more info to graphic designers at this point and we
+</I>&gt;<i> can refine the technical specs as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #1 Yes, marketing has a say in how we do things in this project. So
+</I>&gt;<i> does each team. We didn't listed all these teams without intending to
+</I>&gt;<i> articulate their contributions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One of the crucial points in this project is to make everyone respect
+</I>&gt;<i> and understand each other; knowledge, feelings, opinions, unknowns are
+</I>&gt;<i> all in the game and we all have to learn how to deal with this to go
+</I>&gt;<i> forward.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marketing, communication (and coordination/inclusion into the project
+</I>&gt;<i> main decisions) are indeed, in our inherited culture, not quite known
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; understood. Each team has its own culture, process. Without all
+</I>&gt;<i> becoming experts of each others' specialties, we need to understand,
+</I>&gt;<i> value and trust our reciprocal contributions to benefit the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course we are in a Open Source project so it makes some teams more
+</I>&gt;<i> in technical power of decision (because they don't approve or because
+</I>&gt;<i> they don't deliver or because there are technical obstacles or...).
+</I>&gt;<i> That's true and that makes even more important that all participants
+</I>&gt;<i> acknowledge that we all have
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So whether it takes more time, more discussion, an agreement or it's
+</I>&gt;<i> up to the Council or the Board to decide in last resort. We will
+</I>&gt;<i> strive to base our decisions on three things: project mission, values
+</I>&gt;<i> and facts. Feelings are here as &quot;warning signals&quot; of dissonance and
+</I>&gt;<i> understood as such; and should be resolved hopefully.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Disagreements may appear from diverse reasons; one may be that we've
+</I>&gt;<i> not been specific enough about the direction (because we didn't or
+</I>&gt;<i> because we still don't know well enough how to be specific enough;
+</I>&gt;<i> that's something to refine as well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #2. Mageia.org does not target desktop users especially. Well, we do;
+</I>&gt;<i> as we do target servers and embedded devices. As well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nor does it compete with other Linux distributions or other operating
+</I>&gt;<i> systems. Yes, we do compete in some way. But we don't see ourselves
+</I>&gt;<i> like this at first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The big difference we expect for Mageia.org is not to compete, but to
+</I>&gt;<i> become a inter-disciplinary collaboration community of excellence for
+</I>&gt;<i> free/libre projects; the Mageia Linux distribution is only one (huge,
+</I>&gt;<i> central and first) &quot;game&quot; in this. As a project, as a platform, as a
+</I>&gt;<i> product, as a showcase.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a hint, two teams were not listed for now, because we thought that
+</I>&gt;<i> we need to roll out our first working ISO first and because we didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> explained how their role would fit: ergonomics/users study and
+</I>&gt;<i> electronics/hardware devices.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The goal is not only to produce a ~horizontal Linux-based system that
+</I>&gt;<i> will empower people; it's to create the conditions to build ~vertical
+</I>&gt;<i> solutions with it, within or from the Mageia.org community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.org is not a commercial project but a community project; where
+</I>&gt;<i> people/companies will bring in and bring from. Both as users and as
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That does not prevent to design it through marketing, but that must be
+</I>&gt;<i> aligned with the project direction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, to draw this in perspective now, here are the next big milestones
+</I>&gt;<i> we have in sight for the coming months. That does not define long term
+</I>&gt;<i> strategy (which is still buried in the announcement and in the
+</I>&gt;<i> vision/mission statements being worked on) but I guess it will help:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. releasing a test drive ISO before the end of November; this is to
+</I>&gt;<i> test drive four things:
+</I>&gt;<i> * packaging/translation/build system as a whole,
+</I>&gt;<i> * community council and teams work&amp; coordination,
+</I>&gt;<i> * final product stability,
+</I>&gt;<i> * concurrent discussions for future plans.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. having December to cool down and prepare the next run; having end
+</I>&gt;<i> of December free of any stress in this regard;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. preparing coming FOSDEM in February 2011; where we shall meet more
+</I>&gt;<i> people to discuss future and hot topics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Concurrent to these, Mageia.org community must form and learn on itself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the marketing team, for instance, the first step could to market
+</I>&gt;<i> the project itself toward people that will _contribute to it_, first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's who we want to work with and who we want to be in love with the
+</I>&gt;<i> product, the technology, the project and the processes first. That's
+</I>&gt;<i> who we want to care about first. Then we will have to see how what we
+</I>&gt;<i> love can be a fit for other people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (and no, that doesn't exclude all users, but only users that don't
+</I>&gt;<i> expect to contribute to the project directly)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That helps in three ways:
+</I>&gt;<i> - helping refine the whole project vision as whole and advocate it;
+</I>&gt;<i> - help contributors get a firmer grasp on who they are, and what
+</I>&gt;<i> they're going to build;
+</I>&gt;<i> - inform users community of what it may be going to look like.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This, with time, will help to discuss targets with more data and more
+</I>&gt;<i> perspective. For everyone. Notwithstanding that other teams have quite
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot of work as well and may need to advocate it as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that's a short roadmap. We can expect to have a larger one later.
+</I>&gt;<i> But that's what we have to focus on at this time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will dig into some of these points in dedicated meetings in the
+</I>&gt;<i> next days (marketing/communication, roadmap and weekly progress).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Excellent. Agree 100%.
+
+- Andr&#233; (andre999)
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+<PRE>Pascal Terjan &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">pterjan at gmail.com</A>&gt; writes:
+
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 03:41, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">morgan at tribun.eu</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maybe we should early try to make an iso targeted to be placed on a USB stick
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be booted and run from, and also have storage on the stick.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What do you mean by early? I would expect that is is done at the same
+</I>&gt;<i> time as other isos
+</I>
+It depends if mageia.org wants live USB (with persistent storage) to be
+part of the official releases available &quot;for free&quot;.
+
+If so, it would be great to release live USB snapshots at the same time
+as other beta and RC versions.
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It depends if mageia.org wants live USB (with persistent storage) to be
+</I>&gt;<i> part of the official releases available &quot;for free&quot;.
+</I>
+It's easily done from an existing system. We did that for Mandriva
+2010.1 and published a howto as well, so users who can read can do it,
+too.
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+<PRE>2010/10/17 andr&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">andr55 at laposte.net</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hey everyone,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> so, to re-frame a bit things and cool down.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Excellent. &#160;Agree 100%.
+</I>
+Same here.
+
+Drawing back from a fruitless stage of the discussion I took my time
+to dig out all the advertizing by the Big Ones I saw on tv and on the
+street during the last years.
+
+Apple:
+All computer related ads were technical, showing the product and
+talking about the product.(like the campaigns for the &quot;thinnest
+laptop&quot; and the current ads for the ipad). None showed any people
+except a middle.aged man playing with his Apple laptop.
+All ads about the real income generator of Apple are showing people
+all age, mostly single persons on the screen, either only the shadow
+with the white strips of the ipod earphones or as dancing teenagers.
+No families, no special target.
+
+IBM:
+All ads by IBM are technical. There's the empty server room with a
+manager asking where all the servers were gone. Somebody tells him all
+the work is done now by that one server running Linux. Another one
+features 2 older guys watching basketball where that one guy names
+&quot;Linux&quot; is better than all the others, one spectator tells the other,
+&quot;The best thing about this guy, he's for free!&quot;.
+Current ads by IBM show CPUs and the IBM staff (people all age)
+singing the IBM jingle.
+No families, no special target.
+
+Ubuntu.
+Now I haven't seen any tv ads for Ubuntu but all advertizing Ubuntu
+does aims at the average user.
+Again no families.
+
+But:
+Almost all consumer goods (cars, washing machines, butter, meat, even
+clothing, furniture, etc.) show families in their ads and talk to a
+special target group: the young couple with kids, good income,
+managing their life with joy and as easy as a pie.
+
+What does that tell us?
+If anything it tells that the big ones do make a difference between
+marketing for computers and marketing for any other consumer goods.
+
+
+Next: Linux &lt;-&gt; Mageia.
+
+Yes, there is this car ad where Volkswagen tries to make people think
+&quot;VW&quot; as a synonym of &quot;car&quot; (VW, The Car). They don't succeeded. People
+still think about buying a car first and then they think about the
+brand and then the model (except hardcore gasoline junkies who think
+Porsche even while they are cleaning the dishes).
+
+Why should we think &quot;linux&quot; first and then &quot;Mageia&quot;?
+Because Linux - as Mageia spelled it out in the &quot;values&quot; - is not a
+competition *against* other distributions, it is a competition while
+*collaborating* with other distributions as being said by in &quot;values&quot;
+page. So how can I strive to place &quot;Mageia&quot; on the same level as
+&quot;Linux&quot;, ignoring that there are other Linux flavors which are using
+the same stuff as Mageia uses, which are always welcome to take from
+Mageia as Mageia is welcome to take from them?
+
+Isn't what Ubuntu tried (and succeeded in some parts of the world) in
+contradiction with the spirit of the Open Source community which
+Mageia committed itself to keep up and maintain? I'd not take Ubuntu
+as a good example for anything, except for good documentation and PR.
+I wrote about that lack of PR repeatedly in the Mandriva forum, some
+people may remember.
+
+Only some thoughts from a guy who always has been and always will be
+first a Linux user and advocate, then the user and contributor and
+advocate of a distribution.
+
+Now go on with marketing.
+
+--
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+
+Is there any interest/talk on, a supplemental one-click install like web
+based system?
+
+What about an option for installing self contained packages like in macos or
+<A HREF="klik://.">klik://.</A>
+
+On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Bruno Mah&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bruno at bmahe.net</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On 10/10/2010 03:41 PM, Hoyt Duff wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Oliver Burger
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">oliver.bgr at googlemail.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; OBS is something different. OBS uses virtual machines of the distro it
+</I>&gt;<i> builds
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; packages for and so builds more or less &quot;normal&quot; packages for the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I'm having trouble finding a download link for a personal install of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; OBS. They claim to offer it; I just can't seem to locate it. Anybody
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; have it? Thanks.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> These links may help you:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Appliance</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation">http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Developer_Documentation</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service">http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Build_Service</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> All the code is located on gitorious here:
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service">http://gitorious.org/opensuse/build-service</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They also do build packages using their own instance of OBS:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools">https://build.opensuse.org/package/show?package=obs-server&amp;project=openSUSE%3ATools</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks,
+</I>&gt;<i> Bruno
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 11:10:33, J.A. Magall&#243;n a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:37:29 +1300, Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 14:18:02 Tux99 wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; I'm with wobo and Margot here, I fear this 'targeting' will simply result
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; in restricting our potential user-base (i.e. rather than attracting more
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; users it will turn off many users).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It is a well known fact, that you cannot be all things to all people, to try
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to do that would end up being everything to noone. I would prefer to be the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; best we can be to those who grow to love the brand.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wrong, from my POV.
+</I>&gt;<i> Its Linux. Linux has it all. You just have to choose what you want in
+</I>&gt;<i> your install, desktop software, server software or both.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> An example. Our admins at the university choose CentOS as their distro
+</I>&gt;<i> for labs and servers. CentOS is marketed as a RHEL derivative, focused
+</I>&gt;<i> on server and stability. Why CentOS ? Its RHEL but with free
+</I>&gt;<i> support. What about desktop software ? Its generally outated. What
+</I>&gt;<i> about HW support ? Same. CentOS people patches their soft, but what
+</I>&gt;<i> do you prefer, a home patched ancient kernel or an updated one with the real
+</I>&gt;<i> official and tested fixes ? If they wanted the best of both worlds
+</I>&gt;<i> they could choose Mandriva for labs desktops and CentOS for servers,
+</I>&gt;<i> if they are so fond of CentOS as server. But noooone wants to admin two
+</I>&gt;<i> linux distros.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But me, I have always intalled Mandriva both for desktops and for servers.
+</I>&gt;<i> Reasons:
+</I>&gt;<i> - I had the best hw support
+</I>&gt;<i> - I had updated software
+</I>&gt;<i> - It is stable
+</I>&gt;<i> - I could use the SAME distro (even the same CD) to install a desktop
+</I>&gt;<i> box for development, for office work, or a server with samba and ldap
+</I>&gt;<i> and apache, or a HPC cluster with openmpi.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Why ? I know Mandriva, I know it has all the soft that I need for all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; fields, and yes, ONE SIZE FITS ALL my meeds.
+</I>
+Exactly the same here :
+- Mandriva on workstation
+- Mandriva on servers
+- Mandriva at home for everyday use, gaming...
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Em S&#225;b 02 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu:
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/2 MacXi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Em Sex 01 Out 2010, &#224;s 21:11:44, Andr&#233; Machado escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for advance
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+<PRE>Le jeudi 14 octobre 2010 14:40:54, Romain d'Alverny a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hey everyone,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so, to re-frame a bit things and cool down.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> First, thank you all for this conversation. That shows you care. And
+</I>&gt;<i> that's great. At times, we may disagree with each other, we may not
+</I>&gt;<i> manage properly yet how we say things, we may look or be a bit slow or
+</I>&gt;<i> too fast. But we still can make something together - provided we aim
+</I>&gt;<i> something in common, we trust and respect each other and we know how
+</I>&gt;<i> to step down and apologize when needed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's not to say it's easy. It's probably the hardest part. We just
+</I>&gt;<i> have to take it into account and build our way with it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A quick note the about logo proposals thing. Right, we may pause it,
+</I>&gt;<i> however everyone started to propose logos even before we talked about
+</I>&gt;<i> it; so at least we reframe the proposals a bit without making a full
+</I>&gt;<i> stop. That gives more info to graphic designers at this point and we
+</I>&gt;<i> can refine the technical specs as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #1 Yes, marketing has a say in how we do things in this project. So
+</I>&gt;<i> does each team. We didn't listed all these teams without intending to
+</I>&gt;<i> articulate their contributions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> One of the crucial points in this project is to make everyone respect
+</I>&gt;<i> and understand each other; knowledge, feelings, opinions, unknowns are
+</I>&gt;<i> all in the game and we all have to learn how to deal with this to go
+</I>&gt;<i> forward.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marketing, communication (and coordination/inclusion into the project
+</I>&gt;<i> main decisions) are indeed, in our inherited culture, not quite known
+</I>&gt;<i> &amp; understood. Each team has its own culture, process. Without all
+</I>&gt;<i> becoming experts of each others' specialties, we need to understand,
+</I>&gt;<i> value and trust our reciprocal contributions to benefit the whole
+</I>&gt;<i> project.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course we are in a Open Source project so it makes some teams more
+</I>&gt;<i> in technical power of decision (because they don't approve or because
+</I>&gt;<i> they don't deliver or because there are technical obstacles or...).
+</I>&gt;<i> That's true and that makes even more important that all participants
+</I>&gt;<i> acknowledge that we all have
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So whether it takes more time, more discussion, an agreement or it's
+</I>&gt;<i> up to the Council or the Board to decide in last resort. We will
+</I>&gt;<i> strive to base our decisions on three things: project mission, values
+</I>&gt;<i> and facts. Feelings are here as &quot;warning signals&quot; of dissonance and
+</I>&gt;<i> understood as such; and should be resolved hopefully.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Disagreements may appear from diverse reasons; one may be that we've
+</I>&gt;<i> not been specific enough about the direction (because we didn't or
+</I>&gt;<i> because we still don't know well enough how to be specific enough;
+</I>&gt;<i> that's something to refine as well).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> #2. Mageia.org does not target desktop users especially. Well, we do;
+</I>&gt;<i> as we do target servers and embedded devices. As well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nor does it compete with other Linux distributions or other operating
+</I>&gt;<i> systems. Yes, we do compete in some way. But we don't see ourselves
+</I>&gt;<i> like this at first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The big difference we expect for Mageia.org is not to compete, but to
+</I>&gt;<i> become a inter-disciplinary collaboration community of excellence for
+</I>&gt;<i> free/libre projects; the Mageia Linux distribution is only one (huge,
+</I>&gt;<i> central and first) &quot;game&quot; in this. As a project, as a platform, as a
+</I>&gt;<i> product, as a showcase.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As a hint, two teams were not listed for now, because we thought that
+</I>&gt;<i> we need to roll out our first working ISO first and because we didn't
+</I>&gt;<i> explained how their role would fit: ergonomics/users study and
+</I>&gt;<i> electronics/hardware devices.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The goal is not only to produce a ~horizontal Linux-based system that
+</I>&gt;<i> will empower people; it's to create the conditions to build ~vertical
+</I>&gt;<i> solutions with it, within or from the Mageia.org community.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia.org is not a commercial project but a community project; where
+</I>&gt;<i> people/companies will bring in and bring from. Both as users and as
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That does not prevent to design it through marketing, but that must be
+</I>&gt;<i> aligned with the project direction.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, to draw this in perspective now, here are the next big milestones
+</I>&gt;<i> we have in sight for the coming months. That does not define long term
+</I>&gt;<i> strategy (which is still buried in the announcement and in the
+</I>&gt;<i> vision/mission statements being worked on) but I guess it will help:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. releasing a test drive ISO before the end of November; this is to
+</I>&gt;<i> test drive four things:
+</I>&gt;<i> * packaging/translation/build system as a whole,
+</I>&gt;<i> * community council and teams work &amp; coordination,
+</I>&gt;<i> * final product stability,
+</I>&gt;<i> * concurrent discussions for future plans.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. having December to cool down and prepare the next run; having end
+</I>&gt;<i> of December free of any stress in this regard;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. preparing coming FOSDEM in February 2011; where we shall meet more
+</I>&gt;<i> people to discuss future and hot topics.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Concurrent to these, Mageia.org community must form and learn on itself.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For the marketing team, for instance, the first step could to market
+</I>&gt;<i> the project itself toward people that will _contribute to it_, first.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That's who we want to work with and who we want to be in love with the
+</I>&gt;<i> product, the technology, the project and the processes first. That's
+</I>&gt;<i> who we want to care about first. Then we will have to see how what we
+</I>&gt;<i> love can be a fit for other people.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> (and no, that doesn't exclude all users, but only users that don't
+</I>&gt;<i> expect to contribute to the project directly)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That helps in three ways:
+</I>&gt;<i> - helping refine the whole project vision as whole and advocate it;
+</I>&gt;<i> - help contributors get a firmer grasp on who they are, and what
+</I>&gt;<i> they're going to build;
+</I>&gt;<i> - inform users community of what it may be going to look like.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This, with time, will help to discuss targets with more data and more
+</I>&gt;<i> perspective. For everyone. Notwithstanding that other teams have quite
+</I>&gt;<i> a lot of work as well and may need to advocate it as well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, that's a short roadmap. We can expect to have a larger one later.
+</I>&gt;<i> But that's what we have to focus on at this time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We will dig into some of these points in dedicated meetings in the
+</I>&gt;<i> next days (marketing/communication, roadmap and weekly progress).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Romain
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This somewhat buried announce could be given more visibility in its own thread or as a forum message, couldn't it ?
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel
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+<PRE>Em S&#225;b 02 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu:
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/2 MacXi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Em Sex 01 Out 2010, &#224;s 21:11:44, Andr&#233; Machado escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?
+</I>&gt;<i> Thanks for advance
+</I>
+Anne,
+
+I am also sending the text of the Blog in Portuguese (Mageia: some news about
+the project).
+
+thanks
+
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+&gt;<i> Em S&#225;b 02 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/2 MacXi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Em Sex 01 Out 2010, &#224;s 21:11:44, Andr&#233; Machado escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for advance
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sending attached the text of the FAQ in Portuguese, as you requested.
+</I>
+Published. Thanks !
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>
+
+
+--
+Anne
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+&gt;<i> Em S&#225;b 02 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010/10/2 MacXi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Em Sex 01 Out 2010, &#224;s 21:11:44, Andr&#233; Machado escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Your translation is compatible with that I made. I'll send you my work
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; to you revise and decide about small differences. We will need see blog
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; too.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for advance
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I am also sending the text of the Blog in Portuguese (Mageia: some news
+</I>&gt;<i> about the project).
+</I>
+Damien will see with you so that you can publish directly on pt_BR blog
+
+Cheers
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> thanks
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> MacXi
+</I>
+
+
+--
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+<LI><A HREF="002433.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Migration from Mandriva to Mageia
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+<I>nicolas vigier
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+</A><A NAME="2435">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Fabio.bronzini
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+<LI><A HREF="002437.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2437">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Renaud MICHEL
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+<LI><A HREF="002438.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
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+<I>andr&#233;
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+<I>Olivier Blin
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+</A><A NAME="2443">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<LI><A HREF="002442.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia Flash
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+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
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+<I>Akshay Arora
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+<I>MacXi
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+<I>Jiang Yike
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+<LI><A HREF="002433.html">[Mageia-discuss] About the Migration from Mandriva to Mageia
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+<I>nicolas vigier
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+<PRE>Le lundi 18 octobre 2010 &#224; 00:16 +0530, Akshay Arora a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Some related questions,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any interest/talk on, a supplemental one-click install like
+</I>&gt;<i> web based system?
+</I>
+You are free to work on it, but for the moment and as said numerous time
+in the past on this ml, we are still at the start of the project, and we
+do not intend to do lots of change before the release of the 1st iso,
+because changing everything before the first release is the perfect way
+to never release anything.
+
+( and we already have this feature on Mandriva, just click on a rpm to
+have it opened with gurpmi ).
+
+&gt;<i> What about an option for installing self contained packages like in
+</I>&gt;<i> macos or
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="klik://.">klik://.</A>
+</I>
+to me, that's a bad idea :
+- it take more time to download, more space on mirror ( see the thread
+about the current mirror size, and the issue for mirror admin )
+
+- it complicate the security update deployement
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+<PRE>On Sunday 17 Oct 2010 20:43:41 andr&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2010/10/13 Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; I think Graham is trying to voice (I agree with him at this point) is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; that the marketing/communications committee is working through steps
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; that lead to branding suggestions. We are almost done with the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; groundwork and holding off a bit would help us in completing and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; presenting our suggestions.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; As I wrote I do agree as well.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed he did
+</I>
+Indeed I did, but to create a brand, you need to identify target markets.
+There could be dozens and in fact I've identified about six that I think that
+we could be successful in. That does not mean we somehow automatically
+exclude all others, but identifying them means we can shape our brand to suit.
+
+Right now, after discussions, our initial target market is likely to be a
+technical market to expand our contributor community. This market is
+completely different from the &quot;Family&quot; market that seemed to upset so many
+people, so the branding for these two groups is likely to be completely
+different. Our work continues.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; did not read it right? I am not talking about the time when this will
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; be done but rather voice another warning about being too restrictive
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; while doing that &quot;indentifying target markets&quot;, whenever that will be.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I still remember the previous discussion about such restrictive
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; targets as &quot;young couples&quot; and the like, basing the procedure on
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; demographic statistics of certain parts of the world.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's like talking to a brick wall ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Excuse us if we have the same impression
+</I>
+My problem was that I am only one person, I figured that having to come back
+to the lists and explain myself repeatedly is not a profitable (for Mageia)
+use of my time. It appears however that I'm going to have to make the effort
+and I apologise for my shortness.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; However, you still stubbornly hold to the view that somehow, by a piece
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of grand magic that nobody else in the business world has ever managed
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to do, unless they are a monopoly, we can come up with something that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; suits everyone in the world of all ages. Tell us what that secret is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; because you'll be able to sell it for millions. Usually the people who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; say this are in reality saying &quot;Everybody in MY demographic&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Somehow you sound like you think you that Mageia can be marketed like
+</I>&gt;<i> cosmetics.
+</I>&gt;<i> This isn't fantasy island. And Linux and computers aren't gimmicks.
+</I>
+I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion, marketing is not fantasy, quite
+the opposite. The reason that the successful companies are successful is
+because of marketing. They do their market research, they come to conclusions
+which inform their marketing plan and they Brand to suit.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The reality is: We are going into a saturated market, there are hundreds
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of distros out there, the successful ones have identified their target
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; markets and branded to that market, The major competitor works
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; effectively in a Monopolistic atmosphere while still spending $US500
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; million annually on marketing and you think they don't target markets!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Sure. Their target market is anyone who thinks that they might want a
+</I>&gt;<i> computer. Or any company that might want to sell one. And the many
+</I>&gt;<i> thousands of politicians easily swayed by campaign contributions ...
+</I>&gt;<i> (It worked in Massachusetts.)
+</I>
+One of MS's advantages is they are established as a virtual monopoly. They
+started off with a very tight target market, a market of one: IBM. Then they
+expanded to young techie users, then educational institutions but all along
+their main marketing thrust was B2B. Their idea was to create software that
+allowed hardware manufacturers to add value to their hardware and they
+expanded their market from that. Unfortunately for us, They did things really
+well in a relatively new market and as a consequence they have managed to
+virtually monopolise that market and so the same path is not open to us.
+However we can learn from what they did and expanding from a focused market is
+one way of doing that. Of course we don't have the financial resources of an
+MS or a CocaCola.
+
+And don't get me started on Massachusetts. :)
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We have been working on publishing the Core Values over the past week or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; so, that immediately defines a market in and of itself.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The families market suggestion was one that came to me because of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; personal experience in my business in that my most successful instances
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of selling linux have (after studying results) been in a family
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; environment where the small network support model was functioning.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now in my market then the target would be the Mothers, in Germany,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; according to your analysis, the Fathers, in each of these markets the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; upshot of success is 2.4 users, or possibly more if you count 3
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; generations (Or whatever your average family size wherever you are) and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; an instant local support network (MS's greatest strength).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The point is the suggestion was made giving due consideration to a pile
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of factors including maintaining user base, aka: Brand Loyalty (Kevin
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Roberts, of Saatchis calls 'Building Love Brands' and he often cites
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Apple as an example).
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not. Apple's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; target is young, high disposable income, singles. To me that's obvious
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and I could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ???? naturally by someone in that demographic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hate to burst your bubble, but in Canada Apple computers biggest market
+</I>&gt;<i> penetration is post-secondary students - not exactly a high income group.
+</I>
+It's OK my bubble is intact. :) Secondary students are in fact in this
+group, because they tend to be financed by their parents, hence &quot;disposable
+income&quot;. I'm a parent, any money I give to my kids is disposed of. ;) Also
+the demographic is aspirational, so the tendency is for this younger group to
+act in a fashion that fits the demographic that they aspire to.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Make up your mind - is it a science, or an art form ?
+</I>&gt;<i> It can't be both.
+</I>
+You obviously haven't read Richard Dawkins, :)
+<A HREF="http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063">http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063</A>
+ Many of the greatest scientists were artists, DaVinci and Newton just off the
+top of my head.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We need to get on with it and no matter what there is an absolute given:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;You cannot please all of the people all of the time&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; even identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; positive alternatives will be well received.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If Mageia restricts itself to one target market, that's not going to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> It needs to reach out in many directions, with many focuses.
+</I>&gt;<i> It won't survive without an active contributing community, which means
+</I>&gt;<i> in the near and medium term, appealing to current Mandriva users and
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i> One can *add* various targets, but to centre everything around a
+</I>&gt;<i> hypothetical, unproven target is suicide. And no amount of marketing
+</I>&gt;<i> mumble jumble will change that.
+</I>
+OK a few things, Linux in all colours is already restricted to 1.5% of the
+market, can't get more restricted that. According to the latest Distrowatch
+stats there are 317 Linux distributions sharing that 1.5%. Arguably around
+80% is shared amongst the top 10. There are 1.5 billion computers out there
+give or take, so approx. 22.5 million on linux. Of the remaining 1.47
+billion, how many do you think are in homes with families.
+
+In 2003 according to US stats
+(<A HREF="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-">http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-</A>
+computing/ )
+
+55% of American homes (62 Million) had a computer That has probably
+increased. Homes with over $100,000 income had 95%. Now stats say this is
+even higher in Germany, Korea and so forth. In 2002 according to OECD
+figures the US was ninth of OECD nations
+
+Of the 112 million American homes therefore, how many had young families in
+them? I'm not sure, but lets say that 40% have families, That's around 45
+million.
+
+Anyway you begin to get the picture that the &quot;family&quot; market is large and in
+fact in the US alone is double the size of total linux installs.
+
+
+Nothing I'm talking about is hypothetical, drive down any highway, turn on
+your TV, open up Google. If you want to avoid being marketed to, switch off
+your computer and go bush. The vast majority of the world is informed by
+marketing. To do that a vast amount of research is carried out on a daily
+basis, if you're willing to pay the money you can have that research delivered
+to your inbox several hundred times a day from companies that do nothing else.
+They prove consistently that what I'm talking about is correct
+
+In the years I was MD of my own company I would pay that money, not these days
+because I'm retired but the point is I have 18 years of history in that role
+and that informs what I am promoting here.
+
+Next, You make exactly the point I am trying to get across, you add or expand.
+You provide the best possible fit to a particular market and then build your
+brand outward from that, but start from a specific market. However what you
+are advocating is what I call the subtractive method, you provide &quot;everything
+to all&quot; and then you take away bits to suit individual markets, AKA &quot;dumbing
+down&quot;. That alienates your market, not the best policy.
+
+and last: Dismissing what I do as Mumble Jumble is neither accurate nor
+helpful. My assertions are made based in empirical data collected over years
+and continue to be collected in both statistics and market demographics,
+that's science, the intuitive leap that addresses our marketing plan and
+branding to a particular market, that's art.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Of course, if you want to sell used cars ...
+</I>
+Sales is a different beast altogether, we're talking about marketing
+Steve Jobs never sold a single ipod, but by really good marketing he created a
+brand profile that allows the sales people to do their job. (Although having
+said that there is good argument to be made that in some areas Apple's
+marketing has sukt big time, but that's a whole new discussion :) )
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
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+
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+<PRE>Apologies I had to truncate this a bit, it got booted to moderation cos it was
+to big! :)
+
+
+On Sunday 17 Oct 2010 20:43:41 andr&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Thursday 14 Oct 2010 06:39:32 Wolfgang Bornath wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; 2010/10/13 Marc Par&#233;&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; This is not a case of branding a targeted group at this point but the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;&gt; overall flavour of the Mageia brand.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Uh, sorry, I thought he wrote &quot;identifying target markets&quot;, may be I
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Indeed he did
+</I>
+Indeed I did, but to create a brand, you need to identify target markets.
+There could be dozens and in fact I've identified about six that I think that
+we could be successful in. That does not mean we somehow automatically
+exclude all others, but identifying them means we can shape our brand to suit.
+
+Right now, after discussions, our initial target market is likely to be a
+technical market to expand our contributor community. This market is
+completely different from the &quot;Family&quot; market that seemed to upset so many
+people, so the branding for these two groups is likely to be completely
+different. Our work continues.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Ack and I swore I wasn't going to get into this discussion again because
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it's like talking to a brick wall ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Excuse us if we have the same impression
+</I>
+My problem was that I am only one person, I figured that having to come back
+to the lists and explain myself repeatedly is not a profitable (for Mageia)
+use of my time. It appears however that I'm going to have to make the effort
+and I apologise for my shortness.
+
+[....]
+&gt;<i> Somehow you sound like you think you that Mageia can be marketed like
+</I>&gt;<i> cosmetics.
+</I>&gt;<i> This isn't fantasy island. And Linux and computers aren't gimmicks.
+</I>
+I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion, marketing is not fantasy, quite
+the opposite. The reason that the successful companies are successful is
+because of marketing. They do their market research, they come to conclusions
+which inform their marketing plan and they Brand to suit.
+
+[.....]
+&gt;<i> Sure. Their target market is anyone who thinks that they might want a
+</I>&gt;<i> computer. Or any company that might want to sell one. And the many
+</I>&gt;<i> thousands of politicians easily swayed by campaign contributions ...
+</I>&gt;<i> (It worked in Massachusetts.)
+</I>
+One of MS's advantages is they are established as a virtual monopoly. They
+started off with a very tight target market, a market of one: IBM. Then they
+expanded to young techie users, then educational institutions but all along
+their main marketing thrust was B2B. Their idea was to create software that
+allowed hardware manufacturers to add value to their hardware and they
+expanded their market from that. Unfortunately for us, They did things really
+well in a relatively new market and as a consequence they have managed to
+virtually monopolise that market and so the same path is not open to us.
+However we can learn from what they did and expanding from a focused market is
+one way of doing that. Of course we don't have the financial resources of an
+MS or a CocaCola.
+
+And don't get me started on Massachusetts. :)
+
+[....]
+&gt;<i> &gt; Now does that mean we are restricting the market, of course not. Apple's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; target is young, high disposable income, singles. To me that's obvious
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; and I could prove that, but I was told that &quot;Apple Targets everyone&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ???? naturally by someone in that demographic.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hate to burst your bubble, but in Canada Apple computers biggest market
+</I>&gt;<i> penetration is post-secondary students - not exactly a high income group.
+</I>
+It's OK my bubble is intact. :) Secondary students are in fact in this
+group, because they tend to be financed by their parents, hence &quot;disposable
+income&quot;. I'm a parent, any money I give to my kids is disposed of. ;) Also
+the demographic is aspirational, so the tendency is for this younger group to
+act in a fashion that fits the demographic that they aspire to.
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marketing is not witchcraft or voodoo, it's a science and an art form.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Make up your mind - is it a science, or an art form ?
+</I>&gt;<i> It can't be both.
+</I>
+You obviously haven't read Richard Dawkins, :)
+<A HREF="http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063">http://bigthink.com/ideas/17063</A>
+ Many of the greatest scientists were artists, DaVinci and Newton just off the
+top of my head.
+
+
+[....]
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; Really, at this point we have a lot of work to do before we define or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; even identify our target market. When we get to that point any realistic
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; positive alternatives will be well received.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If Mageia restricts itself to one target market, that's not going to help.
+</I>&gt;<i> It needs to reach out in many directions, with many focuses.
+</I>&gt;<i> It won't survive without an active contributing community, which means
+</I>&gt;<i> in the near and medium term, appealing to current Mandriva users and
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i> One can *add* various targets, but to centre everything around a
+</I>&gt;<i> hypothetical, unproven target is suicide. And no amount of marketing
+</I>&gt;<i> mumble jumble will change that.
+</I>
+OK a few things, Linux in all colours is already restricted to 1.5% of the
+market, can't get more restricted that. According to the latest Distrowatch
+stats there are 317 Linux distributions sharing that 1.5%. Arguably around
+80% is shared amongst the top 10. There are 1.5 billion computers out there
+give or take, so approx. 22.5 million on linux. Of the remaining 1.47
+billion, how many do you think are in homes with families.
+
+In 2003 according to US stats
+(<A HREF="http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-">http://maisonbisson.com/blog/post/11088/us-census-on-internet-access-and-</A>
+computing/ )
+
+55% of American homes (62 Million) had a computer That has probably
+increased. Homes with over $100,000 income had 95%. Now stats say this is
+even higher in Germany, Korea and so forth. In 2002 according to OECD
+figures the US was ninth of OECD nations
+
+Of the 112 million American homes therefore, how many had young families in
+them? I'm not sure, but lets say that 40% have families, That's around 45
+million.
+
+Anyway you begin to get the picture that the &quot;family&quot; market is large and in
+fact in the US alone is double the size of total linux installs.
+
+
+Nothing I'm talking about is hypothetical, drive down any highway, turn on
+your TV, open up Google. If you want to avoid being marketed to, switch off
+your computer and go bush. The vast majority of the world is informed by
+marketing. To do that a vast amount of research is carried out on a daily
+basis, if you're willing to pay the money you can have that research delivered
+to your inbox several hundred times a day from companies that do nothing else.
+They prove consistently that what I'm talking about is correct
+
+In the years I was MD of my own company I would pay that money, not these days
+because I'm retired but the point is I have 18 years of history in that role
+and that informs what I am promoting here.
+
+Next, You make exactly the point I am trying to get across, you add or expand.
+You provide the best possible fit to a particular market and then build your
+brand outward from that, but start from a specific market. However what you
+are advocating is what I call the subtractive method, you provide &quot;everything
+to all&quot; and then you take away bits to suit individual markets, AKA &quot;dumbing
+down&quot;. That alienates your market, not the best policy.
+
+and last: Dismissing what I do as Mumble Jumble is neither accurate nor
+helpful. My assertions are made based in empirical data collected over years
+and continue to be collected in both statistics and market demographics,
+that's science, the intuitive leap that addresses our marketing plan and
+branding to a particular market, that's art.
+
+
+&gt;<i> Of course, if you want to sell used cars ...
+</I>
+Sales is a different beast altogether, we're talking about marketing
+Steve Jobs never sold a single ipod, but by really good marketing he created a
+brand profile that allows the sales people to do their job. (Although having
+said that there is good argument to be made that in some areas Apple's
+marketing has sukt big time, but that's a whole new discussion :) )
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
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+<PRE>On Saturday 16 Oct 2010 03:43:42 Ahmad Samir wrote:
+&gt;<i> On 15 October 2010 16:22, Marcello Anni &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marcello.anni at alice.it</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't think any respectable Linux distro should go the Ubuntu way in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; the branding part. Promoting ourselves as just &quot;Mageia&quot; not as
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;Mageia, a Linux distro&quot;, even implicitly, is just wrong. People who
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; contribute to the FOSS world still have ethics and &quot;values&quot; to uphold.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I don't care if it's commercially successful or not, and we _can be a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; successful Linux distro_.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; i'd prefer a user that chooses mageia as it is and then he becomes
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; interested in linux and in its community (and values) than considering
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mageia as a linux distro and not to trying it as he thinks it is too
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; diffult... do you agree?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Marcello
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's the other way around, the user is interested in Linux, for whatever
+</I>&gt;<i> reason: - economical, he can't afford windows
+</I>&gt;<i> - usability, he's tired of fixing his windows boxes... etc
+</I>&gt;<i> - ideological, he wants to use free open source software
+</I>
+That is in fact a demographic, the dissatisfied Windows Power user. But it's
+a very small one. And in fact the &quot;Linux Seeker&quot; let's call her, will get
+that Mageia is Linux without needing to be told blatantly in the branding.
+
+The problem with the Linux brand for the unsophisticated End User is that it
+is seen as a geek only toy and so for a large proportion of the market it is
+seen as a disincentive ie: &quot;It's too complicated&quot;
+
+What I would like to see is Users &quot;Discover&quot; Linux through Mageia. IOW
+install it, it does all they want it to do and then they discover it's linux.
+Two good things about this.
+One: it gives the user a buzz, because she suddenly discovers &quot;Wow I can use
+that complicated Linux Thing&quot;
+Two: It means her horizons are broadened because now she can look at other
+Linuxes in a different light
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> then he looks for a distro and start using it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course seeing an OS on a friend's machine may be an incentive to
+</I>&gt;<i> give that &quot;thing&quot; a shot, but he should know what he's about to use.
+</I>
+That's a &quot;Close Community Network&quot; Windows has it and it's the thing that
+Ubuntu have built so well and it's why I saw the family thing as a good target
+because a Family is the smallest &quot;Close Community Network&quot;
+
+
+Cheers
+GL
+--
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+<PRE>On Sunday 17 Oct 2010 21:20:48 Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+&gt;<i> On dimanche 17 octobre 2010 at 03:11, LinuxBSDos.com wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It's this idea of &quot;community&quot; that has been the bane of virtually all
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Linux distributions. It's part of the reason that we have failed to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; conquer the desktop. If Android were a &quot;community&quot; mobile distribution,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; it would not be in the position that it currently occupies.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Instead of focusing on the needs of the community, why not start thinking
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of building a distribution for main stream users. Think about how
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; successful companies design their products. Think about what has made
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Apple so successful. It's vision and foresight. It's knowing what people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need and building it, before they even realize that they need it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The whole idea of listening to thousands of opinions on how a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distribution should be designed stymies real progress, especially when
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; most of those opinions are not based on a real understanding of the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; subject matter.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You get a group of people who have a certain degree of expertize in their
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; field, and get them to design and build a product. In this particular
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; case it should be very easy. Just look around. There are hundreds of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distributions that we can co-opt features from and then make them better.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Contrary to android and macos (and mandriva) which are backed by
+</I>&gt;<i> enterprises, mageia is a community project.
+</I>&gt;<i> So if you throw away the community, there is nothing left.
+</I>
+No one is advocating throwing away the community, but being part of a
+community has it's issues, decision making speed is one of them. In a
+corporate environment people are hired to do a particular job, they are hired
+for their expertise in their field and they, for that reason, have the major
+in any policy in their particular area of responsibility. However in a
+Community based OSS project everybody has the opportunity to have their say
+and that can lead to conflict, god knows I sometimes just shout at the screen:
+&quot;JUST LET ME DO MY JOB, I HAPPEN TO BE GOOD AT IT!!&quot; and yea I can be a bit
+forceful at times. :D
+
+However, it is healthy and it's a strength that Corporates don't have.
+Anybody who's been on big development projects will be able to rant long and
+Loud about those F**** marketing guys keep changing the spec and we're going
+way over budget and I'm going to...[insert mutilation of choice]..to those
+a@%*holes.
+
+Well this Marketing/Training guy, often says the same thing about Project
+Managers. :/ A good project manager is gift from the gods, because he has a
+wide open communication track with HR and Marketing because he realises that
+Users aren't developers, and the gets market research and User experience
+surveys done before the project starts. All too rare sometimes I think. An
+RFP or spec often gets written with no consideration other than scratching the
+Writers itch and the problems start. However that's another treatise
+entirely! :)
+
+The point is that sometimes it's better to step back and say &quot;OK, this isn't
+my field, let the guys whose field it is get on with it.&quot; Let me stress
+however the sometimes and definitely not always.
+
+Now in the Mageia Marketing group we have Teachers with deep pedagogical
+knowledge, we have Marketers and Communications people who are bloody good at
+what they do, who have been involved in marketing FOSS projects for years
+right up to and including a PHD in FOSS marketing. I hold it up as a huge
+privilege to work with this group of excellent people, and guess what, we are
+a community, a community with a shared goal, to market Mageia in the best way
+we know how.
+
+I look to the Founders, I look at our Marketing team and I look at the wider
+contributing community and I seriously believe that if Redmond isn't quaking
+in it's boots it should be.
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+
+--
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+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Cheers
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 22:26, Fernando Parra &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gato2707 at yahoo.com.mx</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I agree with this POV, Our main goal must be capture as many as possible non-linux users, no cannibalize the same linux users from other distros.
+</I>
+Well, no, it's not, either way.
+
+(at this stage or it would be as a side effect)
+
+Please, let's focus.
+
+Mageia.org main goal is to build a community revolving around an
+ambitious, great Free Software project, empowering back all
+contributing people/companies (relationships, skills, knowledge, new
+appetites, technologies, products).
+
+Here and now, it is a Linux distribution - and that's something really
+large; right now, it is building and releasing a Linux distribution
+from a technical and process point of view (before December) and
+preparing coming February FOSDEM.
+
+Building this progressively with sound and efficient processes, plus
+attracting great contributors is the mean by which we can make
+something great and enjoy it. That's not a guarantee but a
+requirement.
+
+Attracting a lot of users is a consequence of... well, many things,
+some of which we can influence on. Partly through our contributors.
+It's somehow a goal as well to grow our user base, in that we hope
+that what will be built will be useful and liberating to many.
+
+Targetting such a very specific set of users may be done later, if
+it's not designed within the initial roadmap, either through a
+specific community initiative, either through a specific company that
+builds partly on that (say, a derivative from - or complement for -
+the Mageia main release). And such a specific initiative may or may
+not be of use to upgrade the next roadmap of the project (that's how
+we can expect several teams contributions to integrate into the main
+release anyway).
+
+
+Note that it's not a matter of marketing versus developers or users
+versus packagers here. It's a matter of who gives the direction and
+coordinates. No team takes precedence over another, Council and Board
+being here to articulate the whole thing, vetting proposals from here
+and there.
+
+Yes, teams and people making them are excellent (so we expect); yes,
+teams proposals/works may be excellent. No, that won't prevent us to
+say no to great work or great people, if it does not fit.
+
+
+&gt;<i> What should we do? Whatever it takes! (According to our values)
+</I>
+Your sentence may just be equivocal - so, just to make sure... Mageia
+values barely promote a &quot;whatever it takes&quot; attitude. ;-)
+
+
+Anyway, I repeat here what I wrote above in other words:
+
+ * first marketing effort to be here is _not_ defining what type(s) of
+specific users we would target or package the product for; a product
+that is not yet even built: &quot;1. bake some cake you like; 2. present it
+to others; 3. learn from that; 4. repeat&quot;;
+
+ * first marketing effort to be is toward the contributors community
+(development, packaging, design, translation, qa, doc, triage, users
+return &amp; feedback, communication, marketing, facilitators); first has
+been the announcement, about one month ago; next has been the values
+publication; next are the logo/identity ideas around that we expect to
+focus, next are the mission, vision, roadmap docs, missions for each
+team as soon as we setup collaboration platforms; that takes time,
+attitude, determination, adjustments;
+
+ * if this effort can not be properly accomplished with and toward
+existing contributors, nothing else planned may ever make potential
+contributors tick, even less end users; moreover, it would fail at its
+most critical role: educating all contributors about marketing pieces
+relevant to them and to the project;
+
+ * we take the following approach:
+ - we first design and release prototypes for ourselves, with high
+enough expectations to go forward;
+ - we try/find good experiments to understand if that matches other
+people needs or expectations and how;
+ - so we refine and deliver;
+ - iterate.
+
+We won't build the project identity and roadmap at once; it will
+always be an iterative process that will consolidate. Our identity
+won't be so much from what we planned it to be than from what we
+deliver and how we do it, over time.
+
+That doesn't prevent listening, analyzing and drafting things in
+relation to users (and including them actively in the iteration
+process), that just means that we have to spend a few months to build
+and to learn about ourselves before we can only expect to
+learn/project about others (such as target users we don't have a
+single consistent clue about but disparate opinions on, see previous
+discussions about targetting users).
+
+
+
+Cheers,
+
+Romain
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+<PRE>2010/10/18 Romain d'Alverny &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">rdalverny at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please, let's focus.
+</I>&gt;<i> .........
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+IMHO this is the best possible reflection on the task at hand, so we
+should step back from previous detailed discussions and see what we
+have under the light of Romain's &quot;first roadmap&quot;.
+
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+<PRE>Gustavo Giampaoli wrote:
+&gt;<i> So, I'm sorry but I agree with the people who want to target this
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;ordinary people&quot;. Because I don't think that making Mageia easier and
+</I>&gt;<i> friendly hurt or damage advanced users. Linux will be always powerful,
+</I>&gt;<i> with the right packages. And any advanced user can make &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> my-advanced-packages&quot; whenever he/she needs.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> We need to attract more non-linux users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is getting very repetitive. Your argument, and the arguments of
+those who argue your point of view all make perfect sense and flow
+logically, *IF* you accept the premise that the mission of Mageia is to
+entice computer-ignorant or computer-antagonistic people, or even just
+non-linux newbies, to use Mageia.
+
+This *might* be a given if Mageia was a company organized to make a
+profit. But it's not. It's a group of primarily technical people who
+decided to fork Mandriva because they felt that the technical excellence
+of the distro was being compromised by Mandriva's corporate goals.
+
+In a perfect world, where volunteer labor was in infinite supply, and
+was paid solely in terms of satisfaction that what they achieved met
+their own goals, a community distro would be built up of layers, each
+building on the ones below it.
+
+Developers would not need to care about appealing to users on any level
+other than providing needed function. They would produce non-GUI
+components which had enough configurable options to satisfy anyone from
+your grandma to Linus Torvalds.
+
+Other developers who were so inclined would write GUI interfaces to
+these services which exposed all of this flexibility, or most of it, or
+some of it, or very little of it, depending on whether they were
+producing a UI aimed at Linus or grandma or someone in between.
+
+The same would go for installs: the base install would be componentized
+and configurable and open, and interested parties would customize this
+for a variety of target audiences.
+
+The FOSS world isn't perfect, but only in the sense that the volunteer
+labor supply isn't infinite. Without an infinite supply, the activities
+that don't get performed for resource reasons will be determined by the
+satisfaction metric - if the target audience isn't important enough to
+some group of technical people to impel them to customize a UI and an
+install (and documentation) for that target audience, then that audience
+won't see their needs addressed.
+
+In the corporate world, you have to make a profit. Because you have
+limited resources, and because you can't risk basing your enterprise on
+packages you don't control, you have to address all of the above tasks
+with a finite pool of resources.
+
+Because of that, you can't afford to design your distro to be
+configurable and flexible enough to even *potentially* please every set
+of target users. Since the number of target user groups determines the
+amount of resource you need to satisfy them, it follows that you have to
+limit that number in order to satisfy your chosen group or groups with
+the resources you can afford.
+
+This is where marketing becomes invaluable; it uses quantitative
+analyses to determine which target group(s) represent the greatest
+potential for profit, and the result of those analyses will determine
+what development works on, what the tools look like, and what the
+install looks like.
+
+If you accept that the marketing results must be correct, then it makes
+no sense for development to build flexibility into software that will
+never be used, or for the install team to allow for any install paradigm
+that isn't directly oriented to your target user groups. Basically,
+marketing drives the truck, and every group associated with production
+centers their activity on marketing's objectives.
+
+This minimizes development costs, and will produce the greatest profit
+from the number of sales made. Developers are hired to do only that
+work that supports marketing's directives, and the theory is that they
+work primarily for the money. They are controlled by Marketing, which
+derives its authority from the owners or shareholders (&quot;stakeholders&quot; to
+use the fashionable economics term).
+
+***That said***,,,
+
+Mageia is not a company. We have no shareholders, and no financial hold
+over the developers. No marketing group has directorial authority over
+the developers, because there is no &quot;stakeholder&quot; group which can grant
+that authority. No number of users suborned from Windows or Mac or
+Ubuntu puts a penny into the pockets of anyone involved in Mageia.
+
+Saying &quot;we believe that a large number of users will switch to Mageia if
+we limit our focus to such-and-such&quot; is interesting and may even be
+accurate. It is also immaterial, unless the validity of the statement
+somehow gives you the authority to direct the actions of the others
+involved in Mageia.
+
+In FOSS, it doesn't. If enough people agree with your objective, you
+may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro
+with a face and personality which matches your objectives.
+
+But to say that the entire community has to direct and/or limit their
+efforts to your target group just because you can demonstrate that you
+can wean them away from some other product ignores the fact that such a
+goal may give no or even negative satisfaction to those expected to do
+the technical work. That's not to say that they dispute your skills in
+determining a target market, but simply that they derive no satisfaction
+in doing or limiting their work to address that market.
+
+Graham is fond of saying that &quot;you can't be all things to all people&quot;,
+but that's only true in the area of the spectrum where his skills come
+into play.
+
+In development, the entire concept of Software Architecture and
+Component-Driven design is directed towards producing components with
+enough flexibility to be configured for any possible use of the
+functionality represented by that component. When not constrained by
+the profit motive, development will produce flexible and adaptable
+components, and rely on upstream integrators to tailor or limit their
+function to a particular market.
+
+In reality, this often aligns with the profit motive, since (oh horrors)
+it actually may happen that Marketing is wrong, in which case the
+company is at least left with saleable software assets as opposed to
+software locked into a vision which didn't work.
+
+The significant costs of trying to be all things to all people, both in
+resource cost and opportunity cost, come much further up the product
+development chain, in QA, documentation, marketing, sales focus, and
+other such non-development areas. That's where you have to decide which
+way(s) to go, to the exclusion of others, not at the development layer.
+
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+<PRE>On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+
+&gt;<i> The significant costs of trying to be all things to all people,
+</I>
+This is the biggest danger to any distro.and had, I believe, a
+significant part in Mandriva's struggles. It seems to me that the
+Mageia devs want to get back to their Mandrake roots.
+
+BTW, nicely formed argument, Frank.
+
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+<PRE>2010/10/18 Hoyt Duff &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">hoytduff at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Frank Griffin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>&gt; wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The significant costs of trying to be all things to all people,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is the biggest danger to any distro.and had, I believe, a
+</I>&gt;<i> significant part in Mandriva's struggles. It seems to me that the
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia devs want to get back to their Mandrake roots.
+</I>
+I do not think so, the quality of the product had nothing to do with
+Mandriva's problems. In most of Mandriva's problems marketing at least
+played a leading role.
+
+First bad marketing:
+When Mandrakesoft was a successful startup it had no real marketing
+which would influence the development. Then the investors came in and
+brought in the real marketing, people of which never heard about Linux
+distributions before, so it seemed. They based the wrong management
+decisions on bad marketing advices, burning mountains of money with
+fruitless attempts in sidetracks of the Linux world. When that led to
+the near crash those people were thrown out and Mandrakesoft
+propagated a &quot;Back to the roots&quot; strategy as a Linux distributor.
+Which was successful enough to carry them out of chapter 11.
+
+Then lack of marketing:
+But maybe this experience led them to the other extreme: They started
+to ignore the basic rules of marketing. Be present, be visible, make
+noise about yourself, make people looking forward to the next news
+about your brand, and in consequence make your name/brand a known part
+of the computer world. They ignored all this, shut down PR almost
+entirely and where they did something in the way of PR it was badly
+done because marketing (or the store) did something without notifying
+the other departments (remember the instant-on desaster). Or they sold
+cheap machines with Mandrakelinux pre-installed without making sure
+that this pre-installation was done correctly (as happened with the
+deal with Walmart). Or they propagated deals worldwide where the
+customer could never benefit from because the hardware was sold in
+France only. Or they refused to pay a couple of hundred Euros for
+travelling expenses while they could have had an otherwise cost free
+roadshow all over Switzerland (courtesy of J&#228;ggi book store chain and
+wobo). I can easily fill several pages with such examples.
+
+The Mandriva story is a perfect example of the two extremes: bad
+marketing and almost no marketing at all.
+But all that was not related to the development and/or other technical
+parts of the company.
+
+&gt;<i> BTW, nicely formed argument, Frank.
+</I>
+Agreed, 100% !
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>I have been diligently following the ongoing discussions about future
+directions, marketing approaches and technical support, most definitely
+the insightful exchanges with Frank Griffin and Graham Lauder.
+
+As briefly as possible, I'd like to suggest that some of us are perhaps
+losing sight of what we really have with the existing Mandriva distro as
+a jumping off point.
+
+I spent a good portion of September installing and re-installing several
+distros from scratch to see for myself where they stood. (I was running
+a bit scared, I'll admit, so it was due diligence to ensure I had a plan
+B were Mandriva to disappear.) For my development work in counselling
+psychology, I use a server to provide our own sendmail, apache, php and
+postgresql services. But I ALSO use the GNOME desktop not just for the
+usual mail traffic and web browsing but as the front-end for all the web
+development tools we also utilize.
+
+This makes a lot of sense in my case, true, but also for small business
+generally. It is the simple, if not ideal, combination of the desktop
+with a server as such. Mandriva never had a problem with that. Seems to
+me, with the exception of commercial game-playing stuff, I come close to
+having 'all things for all people'. You can't do this easily or directly
+with Open Suse, nor with Fedora. I suspect that is because both are
+subtly laid out to ensnare you in a money upgrade. Mandriva, by way of
+contrast, selects and updates a kernel-server for my needs. No fuss, no
+muss. At the time, neither of those distros had a FUNCTIONING equivalent
+to our cooker. Fedora is all business and has heaps of documentation
+support but I found it easier to work with the command line. Open Suse,
+on the other hand, has endless detailed menus which, I suppose, is an
+attempt to look like Windows. Impressed initially by the scope of what
+was available, I quickly became lost in the visual congestion. I'm the
+kind of guy who finds it far, far easier to write some script for rsync
+backups rather than deal with the tedious and not overly transparent
+form-filling required by luckybackup, by way of example. I'm not a
+script fiend, I just like a natural choice between gui and command line.
+Mandriva has always inherently provided me with that.
+
+I spent considerable time trying to be objective about Ubuntu, but I
+admit to having been heavily biased by negative reviews of Ubuntu as a
+server. I also installed BSD and, if I had to stop at this point and
+Mageia were not to become reality, then that is where I would go. Kind
+of felt like the old UNIX days, but there was something else I learned
+from a rather non-productive month.
+
+When we are successful forking Mageia as a community, we will have
+removed the manipulative, hidden agendas of SUSE, Red Hat and Ubuntu. We
+will have the best opportunity to fulfill the original dream behind what
+is now Linux. As is so often the case in human history, the tools we
+already have in our toolbox are just waiting to be made use of. The
+present world has become so cynical that it cannot conceive of something
+'free' having any value. That is one of the unintended results of
+aggressive marketing. Yet in the end real value, as opposed to monetary
+value will stand the test of time. Linux, is still 'a kid'. Lets show
+this 'kid' the mature patient nurturing it needs to reach even some of
+its astonishing potential. At all costs, let us all endeavour NOT to
+repeat recent history still again.
+
+My best to all ...
+
+George
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+&gt;<i> When we are successful forking Mageia as a community, we will have
+</I>&gt;<i> removed the manipulative, hidden agendas of SUSE, Red Hat and Ubuntu. We
+</I>&gt;<i> will have the best opportunity to fulfill the original dream behind what
+</I>&gt;<i> is now Linux. As is so often the case in human history, the tools we
+</I>&gt;<i> already have in our toolbox are just waiting to be made use of. The
+</I>&gt;<i> present world has become so cynical that it cannot conceive of something
+</I>&gt;<i> 'free' having any value. That is one of the unintended results of
+</I>&gt;<i> aggressive marketing. Yet in the end real value, as opposed to monetary
+</I>&gt;<i> value will stand the test of time. Linux, is still 'a kid'. Lets show
+</I>&gt;<i> this 'kid' the mature patient nurturing it needs to reach even some of
+</I>&gt;<i> its astonishing potential. At all costs, let us all endeavour NOT to
+</I>&gt;<i> repeat recent history still again.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My best to all ...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> George
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+So eloquently done and said. Many thanks for these words of wisdom. We
+are/were in need of this.
+
+Marc
+
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+ <B>Renaud MICHEL</B>
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+<PRE>On lundi 18 octobre 2010 at 02:20, Graham Lauder wrote :
+&gt;<i> On Sunday 17 Oct 2010 21:20:48 Renaud MICHEL wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Contrary to android and macos (and mandriva) which are backed by
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; enterprises, mageia is a community project.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So if you throw away the community, there is nothing left.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> No one is advocating throwing away the community, but being part of a
+</I>&gt;<i> community has it's issues, decision making speed is one of them.
+</I>
+Yeah, it was a little exagerated, but that's how I understood the previous
+post when he wrote
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; On dimanche 17 octobre 2010 at 03:11, LinuxBSDos.com wrote :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Instead of focusing on the needs of the community, why not start
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; thinking of building a distribution for main stream users.
+</I>
+Because, if mageia would no care about my needs, I don't see why I would
+contribute to it.
+Because, beeing an egoist, I am willing to contribute first to have distro
+that suits my needs (which mandriva does quite well), and only secondly to
+have a distro that could fill most people needs (but that second point is
+anyway very important for me!).
+
+&gt;<i> In a
+</I>&gt;<i> corporate environment people are hired to do a particular job, they are
+</I>&gt;<i> hired for their expertise in their field and they, for that reason, have
+</I>&gt;<i> the major in any policy in their particular area of responsibility.
+</I>&gt;<i> However in a Community based OSS project everybody has the opportunity
+</I>&gt;<i> to have their say and that can lead to conflict, god knows I sometimes
+</I>&gt;<i> just shout at the screen: &quot;JUST LET ME DO MY JOB, I HAPPEN TO BE GOOD AT
+</I>&gt;<i> IT!!&quot; and yea I can be a bit forceful at times. :D
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> However, it is healthy and it's a strength that Corporates don't have.
+</I>&gt;<i> Anybody who's been on big development projects will be able to rant long
+</I>&gt;<i> and Loud about those F**** marketing guys keep changing the spec and
+</I>&gt;<i> we're going way over budget and I'm going to...[insert mutilation of
+</I>&gt;<i> choice]..to those a@%*holes.
+</I>
+Yeah, I know that all too well...
+
+&gt;<i> Well this Marketing/Training guy, often says the same thing about Project
+</I>&gt;<i> Managers. :/ A good project manager is gift from the gods, because he
+</I>&gt;<i> has a wide open communication track with HR and Marketing because he
+</I>&gt;<i> realises that Users aren't developers, and the gets market research and
+</I>&gt;<i> User experience surveys done before the project starts. All too rare
+</I>&gt;<i> sometimes I think. An RFP or spec often gets written with no
+</I>&gt;<i> consideration other than scratching the Writers itch and the problems
+</I>&gt;<i> start. However that's another treatise entirely! :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The point is that sometimes it's better to step back and say &quot;OK, this
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't my field, let the guys whose field it is get on with it.&quot; Let me
+</I>&gt;<i> stress however the sometimes and definitely not always.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Now in the Mageia Marketing group we have Teachers with deep pedagogical
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge, we have Marketers and Communications people who are bloody
+</I>&gt;<i> good at what they do, who have been involved in marketing FOSS projects
+</I>&gt;<i> for years right up to and including a PHD in FOSS marketing. I hold it
+</I>&gt;<i> up as a huge privilege to work with this group of excellent people, and
+</I>&gt;<i> guess what, we are a community, a community with a shared goal, to
+</I>&gt;<i> market Mageia in the best way we know how.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I look to the Founders, I look at our Marketing team and I look at the
+</I>&gt;<i> wider contributing community and I seriously believe that if Redmond
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't quaking in it's boots it should be.
+</I>
+I am certainly in no position to give advices to the marketing team, and I
+trust them in making a good job, as long as it doesn't dictate too much how
+the development should be headed.
+
+Obviously, marketing and developers teams will have to communicate a lot.
+The marketing guys telling to the devs which features are really needed to
+have a wider audience, and the devs showing the marketing guys the great
+features they are working on so that they can integrate it in their
+communication.
+
+cheers
+--
+Renaud Michel
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+<PRE> Am 17.10.2010 20:46, schrieb Akshay Arora:
+&gt;<i> Some related questions,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Is there any interest/talk on, a supplemental one-click install like web
+</I>&gt;<i> based system?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What about an option for installing self contained packages like in macos or
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="klik://.">klik://.</A>
+</I>Well, one-click install as in <A HREF="klik://,">klik://,</A> i hope not. That actually defeats what
+most/all
+distributions achieve using a package management system. Ie, not installing
+(or compiling) wildly software like in windows.
+
+But, one-click install as in OpenSuse One-Click-Install, (or like it is already
+done for repos at easyurpmi) definitely, that would be a nice addition
+and generally a nice thing to have.
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+Thank you for sharing both your experiment and thoughts :)
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 04:27:29 Frank Griffin wrote:
+&gt;<i> Gustavo Giampaoli wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So, I'm sorry but I agree with the people who want to target this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;ordinary people&quot;. Because I don't think that making Mageia easier and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; friendly hurt or damage advanced users. Linux will be always powerful,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with the right packages. And any advanced user can make &quot;urpmi
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; my-advanced-packages&quot; whenever he/she needs.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; We need to attract more non-linux users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is getting very repetitive. Your argument, and the arguments of
+</I>&gt;<i> those who argue your point of view all make perfect sense and flow
+</I>&gt;<i> logically, *IF* you accept the premise that the mission of Mageia is to
+</I>&gt;<i> entice computer-ignorant or computer-antagonistic people, or even just
+</I>&gt;<i> non-linux newbies, to use Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This *might* be a given if Mageia was a company organized to make a
+</I>&gt;<i> profit. But it's not. It's a group of primarily technical people who
+</I>&gt;<i> decided to fork Mandriva because they felt that the technical excellence
+</I>&gt;<i> of the distro was being compromised by Mandriva's corporate goals.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In a perfect world, where volunteer labor was in infinite supply, and
+</I>&gt;<i> was paid solely in terms of satisfaction that what they achieved met
+</I>&gt;<i> their own goals, a community distro would be built up of layers, each
+</I>&gt;<i> building on the ones below it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Developers would not need to care about appealing to users on any level
+</I>&gt;<i> other than providing needed function. They would produce non-GUI
+</I>&gt;<i> components which had enough configurable options to satisfy anyone from
+</I>&gt;<i> your grandma to Linus Torvalds.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Other developers who were so inclined would write GUI interfaces to
+</I>&gt;<i> these services which exposed all of this flexibility, or most of it, or
+</I>&gt;<i> some of it, or very little of it, depending on whether they were
+</I>&gt;<i> producing a UI aimed at Linus or grandma or someone in between.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The same would go for installs: the base install would be componentized
+</I>&gt;<i> and configurable and open, and interested parties would customize this
+</I>&gt;<i> for a variety of target audiences.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The FOSS world isn't perfect, but only in the sense that the volunteer
+</I>&gt;<i> labor supply isn't infinite. Without an infinite supply, the activities
+</I>&gt;<i> that don't get performed for resource reasons will be determined by the
+</I>&gt;<i> satisfaction metric - if the target audience isn't important enough to
+</I>&gt;<i> some group of technical people to impel them to customize a UI and an
+</I>&gt;<i> install (and documentation) for that target audience, then that audience
+</I>&gt;<i> won't see their needs addressed.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In the corporate world, you have to make a profit. Because you have
+</I>&gt;<i> limited resources, and because you can't risk basing your enterprise on
+</I>&gt;<i> packages you don't control, you have to address all of the above tasks
+</I>&gt;<i> with a finite pool of resources.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because of that, you can't afford to design your distro to be
+</I>&gt;<i> configurable and flexible enough to even *potentially* please every set
+</I>&gt;<i> of target users. Since the number of target user groups determines the
+</I>&gt;<i> amount of resource you need to satisfy them, it follows that you have to
+</I>&gt;<i> limit that number in order to satisfy your chosen group or groups with
+</I>&gt;<i> the resources you can afford.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is where marketing becomes invaluable; it uses quantitative
+</I>&gt;<i> analyses to determine which target group(s) represent the greatest
+</I>&gt;<i> potential for profit, and the result of those analyses will determine
+</I>&gt;<i> what development works on, what the tools look like, and what the
+</I>&gt;<i> install looks like.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If you accept that the marketing results must be correct, then it makes
+</I>&gt;<i> no sense for development to build flexibility into software that will
+</I>&gt;<i> never be used, or for the install team to allow for any install paradigm
+</I>&gt;<i> that isn't directly oriented to your target user groups. Basically,
+</I>&gt;<i> marketing drives the truck, and every group associated with production
+</I>&gt;<i> centers their activity on marketing's objectives.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This minimizes development costs, and will produce the greatest profit
+</I>&gt;<i> from the number of sales made. Developers are hired to do only that
+</I>&gt;<i> work that supports marketing's directives, and the theory is that they
+</I>&gt;<i> work primarily for the money. They are controlled by Marketing, which
+</I>&gt;<i> derives its authority from the owners or shareholders (&quot;stakeholders&quot; to
+</I>&gt;<i> use the fashionable economics term).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ***That said***,,,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mageia is not a company. We have no shareholders, and no financial hold
+</I>&gt;<i> over the developers. No marketing group has directorial authority over
+</I>&gt;<i> the developers, because there is no &quot;stakeholder&quot; group which can grant
+</I>&gt;<i> that authority. No number of users suborned from Windows or Mac or
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu puts a penny into the pockets of anyone involved in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Saying &quot;we believe that a large number of users will switch to Mageia if
+</I>&gt;<i> we limit our focus to such-and-such&quot; is interesting and may even be
+</I>&gt;<i> accurate. It is also immaterial, unless the validity of the statement
+</I>&gt;<i> somehow gives you the authority to direct the actions of the others
+</I>&gt;<i> involved in Mageia.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In FOSS, it doesn't. If enough people agree with your objective, you
+</I>&gt;<i> may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro
+</I>&gt;<i> with a face and personality which matches your objectives.
+</I>
+This is one of the interesting elements of FOSS marketing that I've talked
+about in the past. That Marketing department, which in a corporate world
+always has the ear of management more so than the Development people simply
+because of human interaction capabilities, has to turn it's focus inward. The
+problem is, an one I've been trying to avoid here, is that it becomes insular
+to the exclusion of all else and then the community stagnates and spirals into
+irrelevancy. For the community to grow there has to be a dynamism, (and I'm
+talking grow in terms of the community of contributors) Userland is the big
+billboard of that dynamism. Ubuntu for all it's faults and annoyances has
+taught us one thing, high visibility in Userland attracts contributors.
+
+Now our problem in terms of a marketing group is to communicate that
+particular thing to the core startup contributors and I don't mean the
+Founders here, I mean that community that surrounded them at the start and who
+shared the vision.
+
+Heh I was hoping to get the Values, Vision and mission sorted before having to
+tackle that mission and on reflection I should have simply not have opened the
+Target Markets discussion, but hey, in FOSS projects the thing you do is write
+a to-do list, then throw it in the trash.
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But to say that the entire community has to direct and/or limit their
+</I>&gt;<i> efforts to your target group just because you can demonstrate that you
+</I>&gt;<i> can wean them away from some other product ignores the fact that such a
+</I>&gt;<i> goal may give no or even negative satisfaction to those expected to do
+</I>&gt;<i> the technical work. That's not to say that they dispute your skills in
+</I>&gt;<i> determining a target market, but simply that they derive no satisfaction
+</I>&gt;<i> in doing or limiting their work to address that market.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Graham is fond of saying that &quot;you can't be all things to all people&quot;,
+</I>&gt;<i> but that's only true in the area of the spectrum where his skills come
+</I>&gt;<i> into play.
+</I>
+True indeed
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In development, the entire concept of Software Architecture and
+</I>&gt;<i> Component-Driven design is directed towards producing components with
+</I>&gt;<i> enough flexibility to be configured for any possible use of the
+</I>&gt;<i> functionality represented by that component. When not constrained by
+</I>&gt;<i> the profit motive, development will produce flexible and adaptable
+</I>&gt;<i> components, and rely on upstream integrators to tailor or limit their
+</I>&gt;<i> function to a particular market.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In reality, this often aligns with the profit motive, since (oh horrors)
+</I>&gt;<i> it actually may happen that Marketing is wrong,
+</I>
+Ahem *cough* never yer honour... no really. ;)
+
+&gt;<i> in which case the
+</I>&gt;<i> company is at least left with saleable software assets as opposed to
+</I>&gt;<i> software locked into a vision which didn't work.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The significant costs of trying to be all things to all people, both in
+</I>&gt;<i> resource cost and opportunity cost, come much further up the product
+</I>&gt;<i> development chain, in QA, documentation, marketing, sales focus, and
+</I>&gt;<i> other such non-development areas. That's where you have to decide which
+</I>&gt;<i> way(s) to go, to the exclusion of others, not at the development layer.
+</I>
+That's all an excellent analyses Frank. The question, regarding this last
+statement had occurred to me and I'd wondered out loud about when considering
+the multiple focused markets concept, this adds clarity, thanks .
+
+The decision has already been made that the initial target market will be new
+code contributors.
+
+Your analysis is sound and I suspect that any research would simply confirm
+that, so looking at that, the marketing focus that gradually expands outward
+would seem to be the path that works best to achieve longevity of the project.
+
+I am mindful, however that many of those you talk about up the chain in the
+&quot;desperately needed&quot; categories: Docs and QA will come from user space. So
+there will be a need to market here in any case.
+
+Thanks and
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
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+
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+<PRE>Thanks indeed for your refreshing comment.
+
+The recurrent use of the word &quot;target&quot; in some threads
+had me thinking Mageai was going to be some kind of weapon.
+
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+ <B>David Coulette</B>
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+&gt;<i> Instead of focusing on the needs of the community, why not start thinking
+</I>&gt;<i> of building a distribution for main stream users. Think about how
+</I>&gt;<i> successful companies design their products. Think about what has made
+</I>&gt;<i> Apple so successful. It's vision and foresight. It's knowing what people
+</I>&gt;<i> need and building it, before they even realize that they need it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>What made Apple successful is targeting people who can afford buying
+what they don't really need, and making them think it's vital.
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+<I>David Coulette
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+<I>MacXi
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+<PRE>Le mardi 19 octobre 2010 &#224; 09:06 +1300, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 04:27:29 Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>
+&gt;<i> &gt; In FOSS, it doesn't. If enough people agree with your objective, you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; with a face and personality which matches your objectives.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This is one of the interesting elements of FOSS marketing that I've talked
+</I>&gt;<i> about in the past. That Marketing department, which in a corporate world
+</I>&gt;<i> always has the ear of management more so than the Development people simply
+</I>&gt;<i> because of human interaction capabilities, has to turn it's focus inward. The
+</I>&gt;<i> problem is, an one I've been trying to avoid here, is that it becomes insular
+</I>&gt;<i> to the exclusion of all else and then the community stagnates and spirals into
+</I>&gt;<i> irrelevancy. For the community to grow there has to be a dynamism, (and I'm
+</I>&gt;<i> talking grow in terms of the community of contributors) Userland is the big
+</I>&gt;<i> billboard of that dynamism. Ubuntu for all it's faults and annoyances has
+</I>&gt;<i> taught us one thing, high visibility in Userland attracts contributors.
+</I>
+Then what Fedora and Debian has taught us ?
+
+Because AFAIK there is also lots of contributors in Fedora, as there is
+in Debian, and I think they didn't really choose the high visibility
+path to get them. So I do not think we can really find a direct
+correlation between &quot;ubuntu has lots of users&quot; and &quot;there is lots of
+contribution&quot;.
+
+My own opinion is that Canonical pay 5 people full time to take care of
+the community growth
+( <A HREF="http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/">http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/</A> ), and that's
+the main reason for contribution from outsiders. The same goes for
+Fedora and Redhat
+( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture</A> )
+
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+On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 23:40 +0200, David Coulette wrote:
+&gt;<i> &gt; Instead of focusing on the needs of the community, why not start thinking
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of building a distribution for main stream users. Think about how
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; successful companies design their products. Think about what has made
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Apple so successful. It's vision and foresight. It's knowing what people
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; need and building it, before they even realize that they need it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> What made Apple successful is targeting people who can afford buying
+</I>&gt;<i> what they don't really need, and making them think it's vital.
+</I>
+Bang on, David and thank you too for your kind comment to me earlier. I
+feel we need to somehow inoculate the community effort from being
+compromised by unnecessary monetary meddling. Getting the job done for
+users is far more important than trying to look too good doing it. (That
+was so apparent when I did a test-run with Open Suse, for example.)
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+010/10/17 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/17 Olivier Blin &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia at blino.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It depends if mageia.org wants live USB (with persistent storage) to be
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; part of the official releases available &quot;for free&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> It's easily done from an existing system. We did that for Mandriva
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010.1 and published a howto as well, so users who can read can do it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+do not hesitate to publish URL, it's easier than searching for it :-)
+could have been added to <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/draklive">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/draklive</A> too as
+alternative or enhancements :)
+
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Please avoid top-posting...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sorry it happened by mistake (i used another client)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>It sure did not hurt my feelings. It was a lot quicker to read. I tire
+of having to scroll down a ton of lines to read peoples post. In fact I
+often won't even bother to read a response if I have to scroll down to
+read it.
+
+Wayne Sallee
+<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Wayne at WayneSallee.com</A>
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+&gt;<i> It sure did not hurt my feelings. It was a lot quicker to read. I tire
+</I>&gt;<i> of having to scroll down a ton of lines to read peoples post. In fact
+</I>&gt;<i> I often won't even bother to read a response if I have to scroll down
+</I>&gt;<i> to read it.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>Agreed, it's a ridiculous rule; people who fail to snip out reams and
+reams of previous postings are also guilty of breaking netiquette, but
+never get seemed to be pulled up for it. It's far easier to read top
+posts and I too just skip past mails if there's loads to scroll through
+before getting to the message.
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+<PRE>Le mardi 19 octobre 2010 &#224; 01:59 +0100, Robert Wood a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On 19/10/10 01:50, Wayne Sallee wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; It sure did not hurt my feelings. It was a lot quicker to read. I tire
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of having to scroll down a ton of lines to read peoples post. In fact
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I often won't even bother to read a response if I have to scroll down
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to read it.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Agreed, it's a ridiculous rule; people who fail to snip out reams and
+</I>&gt;<i> reams of previous postings are also guilty of breaking netiquette, but
+</I>&gt;<i> never get seemed to be pulled up for it. It's far easier to read top
+</I>&gt;<i> posts and I too just skip past mails if there's loads to scroll through
+</I>&gt;<i> before getting to the message.
+</I>
+The problem is just that most people do not think to trim down posts.
+If you feel someone should remove part of the message, you can simply
+tell them off-list ( because I think the constant reminder of top
+posting on the list is a little bit annoying ). Just be nice, most
+posters may not realize how it appear on other people screen, and may
+not be accustomed to using a ml for every communication, hence the
+netiquette rules.
+
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+Michael Scherer
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+&gt;<i> Re,
+</I>&gt;<i> 010/10/17 Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's easily done from an existing system. We did that for Mandriva
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2010.1 and published a howto as well, so users who can read can do it
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> do not hesitate to &#160;publish URL, it's easier than searching for it :-)
+</I>&gt;<i> could have been added to <A HREF="http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/draklive">http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/draklive</A> too as
+</I>&gt;<i> alternative or enhancements :)
+</I>
+Actually I finished translating the HowTos right before the
+announcement about Mageia was published and somehow it was wiped from
+my Direct Access Memory by the tsunami of the Mageia mailing lists :)
+
+It's a collection of 4 HowTos, showing how to roll your own ONE, bring
+several Live systems on one stick, make a stick with persistent
+memory,
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivauser.de/doku/doku.php?id=allgemein:tutorials:en">http://www.mandrivauser.de/doku/doku.php?id=allgemein:tutorials:en</A>
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+You know, I'm not a command line addicted, so I really like those endless menus
+in SUSE ;)
+By the way, everyone speaks about good workstation environment with all GUIs up
+there, a perfect server and stuff, but STOP!
+I remember the good old Mandriva days when they had the guts to release a distro
+addressed to GAMERS!
+
+Yes, I like games, I play a lot and I'd love to see that Mageia really take this
+in account ;)
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-19 05:06, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Fair enough George, but all you guyz are crazy geeks for me :)
+</I>&gt;<i> You know, I'm not a command line addicted, so I really like those endless menus
+</I>&gt;<i> in SUSE ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way, everyone speaks about good workstation environment with all GUIs up
+</I>&gt;<i> there, a perfect server and stuff, but STOP!
+</I>&gt;<i> I remember the good old Mandriva days when they had the guts to release a distro
+</I>&gt;<i> addressed to GAMERS!
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I like games, I play a lot and I'd love to see that Mageia really take this
+</I>&gt;<i> in account ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+</I>&gt;<i> Romanian Translation Team
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Hi Florin
+
+The marketing team has already made a note of this in our working copy
+of possible types of distributions. It is still a work in progress.
+
+Marc
+Marketing Team Member
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+<PRE>On 1 October 2010 09:28, Thomas Backlund &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tmb at iki.fi</A>&gt; wrote:
+&gt;&gt;<i> Should be done.
+</I>
+Already done.
+
+&gt;<i> Oh, and this is why I have suggested from time to time to break noarch out
+</I>&gt;<i> of arch trees, so:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> i586
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> would turn into:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> i586
+</I>&gt;<i> noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> or given the -debug question even:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> SRPMS
+</I>&gt;<i> debug
+</I>&gt;<i> i586
+</I>&gt;<i> noarch
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And then add to the Mirroring FAQ (for endusers) that you need noarch in
+</I>&gt;<i> addition to the arch you want to mirror.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course this means some changes to the upload system
+</I>&gt;<i> (installer / mirror manager should be simple as they read media.cfg)
+</I>
+Indeed. I love that idea
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+&gt;&gt;<i> Of course this means some changes to the upload system
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (installer / mirror manager should be simple as they read media.cfg)
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+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> actually, imo, noarch could be a real savior. i see that quite some packages
+</I>&gt;<i> are i586 on mandriva, but in reality could be made noarch.
+</I>
+I've already &quot;converted&quot; the bigger one in cooker from arched to noarch.
+But remember that once we split the noarch subtree, it'll be a little
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+<PRE>Morning, Marc:
+
+I sent a private note to Florin, supporting his wish for gaming support
+in Mageia because of the Mandriva history of attempting to offer a full
+package for users.
+
+That got me thinking about the possible use of a 'meta task' setup to
+handle major divisions. After all, that's what MCC attempts to install
+web services, desktops, data bases and printers. So why not gaming?
+
+As I explained to Florin, it is my feeling that there is a lot of gaming
+out there which is commercial and therefore not even ported to Linux,
+but then again, I just don't know. (I don't play games :-))
+
+I also explained my geekiness was more in the world of psychobabble than
+with computerese.
+
+By the way, nice to have an exchange with a fellow Canadian.
+
+The best,
+
+George
+
+
+On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 05:34 -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-19 05:06, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Fair enough George, but all you guyz are crazy geeks for me :)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You know, I'm not a command line addicted, so I really like those endless menus
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in SUSE ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; By the way, everyone speaks about good workstation environment with all GUIs up
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there, a perfect server and stuff, but STOP!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; I remember the good old Mandriva days when they had the guts to release a distro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; addressed to GAMERS!
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Yes, I like games, I play a lot and I'd love to see that Mageia really take this
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in account ;)
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Romanian Translation Team
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi Florin
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The marketing team has already made a note of this in our working copy
+</I>&gt;<i> of possible types of distributions. It is still a work in progress.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Marc
+</I>&gt;<i> Marketing Team Member
+</I>
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+&gt;<i> Morning, Marc:
+</I>&gt;<i> That got me thinking about the possible use of a 'meta task' setup to
+</I>&gt;<i> handle major divisions. After all, that's what MCC attempts to install
+</I>&gt;<i> web services, desktops, data bases and printers. So why not gaming?
+</I>I second a Game meta group in the software installer.
+Good idea.
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-19 13:30, George J. Walsh a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Morning, Marc:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I sent a private note to Florin, supporting his wish for gaming support
+</I>&gt;<i> in Mageia because of the Mandriva history of attempting to offer a full
+</I>&gt;<i> package for users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That got me thinking about the possible use of a 'meta task' setup to
+</I>&gt;<i> handle major divisions. After all, that's what MCC attempts to install
+</I>&gt;<i> web services, desktops, data bases and printers. So why not gaming?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I explained to Florin, it is my feeling that there is a lot of gaming
+</I>&gt;<i> out there which is commercial and therefore not even ported to Linux,
+</I>&gt;<i> but then again, I just don't know. (I don't play games :-))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also explained my geekiness was more in the world of psychobabble than
+</I>&gt;<i> with computerese.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way, nice to have an exchange with a fellow Canadian.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The best,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> George
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Thanks, nice to exchange with you as well. Hope the Gaming support comes
+through. We will see what we can do.
+
+Marc
+Waterloo ON Canada
+Marketing Team Member
+
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+<PRE>On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 11:38:39 Michael Scherer wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le mardi 19 octobre 2010 &#224; 09:06 +1300, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 04:27:29 Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; In FOSS, it doesn't. If enough people agree with your objective, you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; with a face and personality which matches your objectives.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; This is one of the interesting elements of FOSS marketing that I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; talked about in the past. That Marketing department, which in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; corporate world always has the ear of management more so than the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Development people simply because of human interaction capabilities, has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; to turn it's focus inward. The problem is, an one I've been trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; avoid here, is that it becomes insular to the exclusion of all else and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; then the community stagnates and spirals into irrelevancy. For the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; community to grow there has to be a dynamism, (and I'm talking grow in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; terms of the community of contributors) Userland is the big billboard
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; of that dynamism. Ubuntu for all it's faults and annoyances has taught
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; us one thing, high visibility in Userland attracts contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then what Fedora and Debian has taught us ?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Because AFAIK there is also lots of contributors in Fedora, as there is
+</I>&gt;<i> in Debian, and I think they didn't really choose the high visibility
+</I>&gt;<i> path to get them. So I do not think we can really find a direct
+</I>&gt;<i> correlation between &quot;ubuntu has lots of users&quot; and &quot;there is lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> contribution&quot;.
+</I>
+
+Debian is an interesting case in viral marketing in a highly interconnected
+demographic. I always remember the &quot;OMG we have a new release!&quot; that used to
+race round the maillists and Usergroups. It never really had a market share,
+rather it had almost a monopoly in its chosen demographic. It is deliberately
+eclectic and famously stubborn and being part of the community is as important
+as the software itself, I mean he named it after his wife and himself, Deb and
+Ian, how cool is that. It was just that attitude that endeared it to it's
+chosen community and good on them. Slackware and Gentoo have a similar ethic.
+And more power to them. It wasn't until Ubuntu came along that Debian gained
+much in the way of widespread traction. However it was it's obsession with
+stability that attracted the Mark. They could afford to break things because
+they had this super stable backstop, but at the end of the day, Debian counts
+the Ubuntu user as it's community, I would be interested to know how many more
+developers Debian picked up in the wake of Ubuntu's popularity, I certainly
+know quite a few. Certainly HPs support was post Ubuntu startup
+
+Fedora has the benefit of age, being around a long time and focusing in the
+corporate space is a good way to lift profile in your preferred market. I
+don't have any figures unfortunately but I would suspect many came from Red
+Hat sites.
+
+In any case, both are in fact very small in terms of the whole desktop market
+and even in terms of all developers.
+
+
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My own opinion is that Canonical pay 5 people full time to take care of
+</I>&gt;<i> the community growth
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/">http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/</A> ), and that's
+</I>&gt;<i> the main reason for contribution from outsiders.
+</I>
+Tsk a badly dressed marketing team ;) I'm not denying that marketing to
+bring in Code Contributors is a necessary thing and in fact we've already
+identified this group as our initial, primary target market, however the fact
+that Ubuntu is high profile out in the market place gives Jono and crew a hell
+of a lot more leverage to bring in new talent.
+
+
+&gt;<i> The same goes for
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora and Redhat
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture</A> )
+</I>
+It's interesting that you point to that URL, I'm a big believer in the Biology
+of Community that the Fedora guys talk about.
+
+The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical mass
+it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community that would be
+the point where you could remove all of the founders from the mix and it would
+keep going.
+
+To me that requires a whole community, it is a holistic beast. Yes you can
+continue a community that rides on the coat tails of a single person or core
+group but is it self sustaining.
+
+Fedora has reached this point I think and would continue if RedHat was removed
+from the equation. Would Ubuntu continue without Shuttleworth and Canonical,
+I'm not sure, but I reckon they are a long way toward it. OOo wasn't, but
+LibreOffice has the opportunity to be. Debian, I don't know the community
+well enough to comment.
+
+The point is that community goes right across the spectrum of users
+Not enough of the community at the User end of the spectrum is as untenable as
+not enough at the Makers end. The trick is balance, that's what the Fedora
+project has taught us
+
+Cheers
+GL
+
+--
+Graham Lauder,
+OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ
+<A HREF="http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html">http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html</A>
+
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+
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+ <B>Gustavo Giampaoli</B>
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+<PRE>2010/10/19 Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;:
+
+&gt;<i> The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical mass
+</I>&gt;<i> it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community that would be
+</I>&gt;<i> the point where you could remove all of the founders from the mix and it would
+</I>&gt;<i> keep going.
+</I>
+I guess Mageia is the result of Mandriva reaching it's critical mass
+(plus other conflicts). We removed Mandriva-the-company (the founder)
+and obtained a self sustaining project.
+
+Cheers!
+
+
+Gustavo Giampaoli (aka tavillo1980)
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+<PRE>On Wednesday 20 Oct 2010 15:15:56 Gustavo Giampaoli wrote:
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/19 Graham Lauder &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">yorick_ at openoffice.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; mass it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that would be the point where you could remove all of the founders from
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the mix and it would keep going.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I guess Mageia is the result of Mandriva reaching it's critical mass
+</I>&gt;<i> (plus other conflicts). We removed Mandriva-the-company (the founder)
+</I>&gt;<i> and obtained a self sustaining project.
+</I>
+
+Critical mass is not a conflict, critical mass is a point where you can take
+out pieces that were once essential to the project without it dying because
+there is sufficient backup to replace that which was removed. Mandriva never
+had critical mass, that was the point, it required a single corporate entity
+to keep it going. At this point Mageia doesn't have critical mass because we
+rely on the founders so much. We will get there, however it takes time.
+
+Cheers
+GL
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+--
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+<PRE>My idea was, as George said, an meta-task that installs, over the GUI of your
+choice, a kind of game catalog very simple to use.
+To push it further, I imagine something like &quot;Game Market Place&quot; app from where
+one can install all the frre/open source games already available in the distro,
+but also the possibility to buy the commercial ones, like steam :)
+
+If I'm so in advance with my ideas please tell me to STOP :)
+
+I have three kids and when it came to computer all that they are interested in
+(at this younger age) are GAMES, and I love playing games together with them.
+Mageia could contribute to this &quot;family magic&quot; :)
+
+PS: &quot;crazy geeks&quot; was a flattery for you as I admire a lot people that can do
+things I'll never do, in some kind they do &quot;magic&quot; for me ;)
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
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+
+
+----- Original Message ----
+From: Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Tue, 19 October, 2010 22:02:51
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement
+
+Le 2010-10-19 13:30, George J. Walsh a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Morning, Marc:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I sent a private note to Florin, supporting his wish for gaming support
+</I>&gt;<i> in Mageia because of the Mandriva history of attempting to offer a full
+</I>&gt;<i> package for users.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That got me thinking about the possible use of a 'meta task' setup to
+</I>&gt;<i> handle major divisions. After all, that's what MCC attempts to install
+</I>&gt;<i> web services, desktops, data bases and printers. So why not gaming?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> As I explained to Florin, it is my feeling that there is a lot of gaming
+</I>&gt;<i> out there which is commercial and therefore not even ported to Linux,
+</I>&gt;<i> but then again, I just don't know. (I don't play games :-))
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I also explained my geekiness was more in the world of psychobabble than
+</I>&gt;<i> with computerese.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> By the way, nice to have an exchange with a fellow Canadian.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The best,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> George
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+
+Thanks, nice to exchange with you as well. Hope the Gaming support comes
+through. We will see what we can do.
+
+Marc
+Waterloo ON Canada
+Marketing Team Member
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+<PRE>&#22312; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 16:53:00 +0800, Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
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+&gt;<i> My idea was, as George said, an meta-task that installs, over the GUI of
+</I>&gt;<i> your
+</I>&gt;<i> choice, a kind of game catalog very simple to use.
+</I>&gt;<i> To push it further, I imagine something like &quot;Game Market Place&quot; app
+</I>&gt;<i> from where
+</I>&gt;<i> one can install all the frre/open source games already available in the
+</I>&gt;<i> distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> but also the possibility to buy the commercial ones, like steam :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If I'm so in advance with my ideas please tell me to STOP :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The similar idea has been discussed in the blog of one developer,
+
+(Federik Crozat? I forget.) Actually we already have the structure,
+
+just like in form of rpmdrake, but currently rpmdrake is still package
+
+centered, not program centered. If we can manage the package installation
+
+process by the name of program, and let the part of installed package
+
+showed in the expert, then we are very close to the idea.
+
+AFAIK, there's been a proposal about having screenshot in the rpmdrake
+before?
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+Maybe this idea should be consider together.
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+Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 10:53:00, Catalin Florin RUSSEN a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> My idea was, as George said, an meta-task that installs, over the GUI of your
+</I>&gt;<i> choice, a kind of game catalog very simple to use.
+</I>&gt;<i> To push it further, I imagine something like &quot;Game Market Place&quot; app from where
+</I>&gt;<i> one can install all the frre/open source games already available in the distro,
+</I>&gt;<i> but also the possibility to buy the commercial ones, like steam :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Just for information, take a look at the djl package in Mandriva Linux. Unfortunately, the main developer stopped working on it, but the project welcomes new devs ! It's coded in python.
+
+Regards
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+Samuel Verschelde
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 &#224; 14:26 +1300, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 11:38:39 Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Le mardi 19 octobre 2010 &#224; 09:06 +1300, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 04:27:29 Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; In FOSS, it doesn't. If enough people agree with your objective, you
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; &gt; with a face and personality which matches your objectives.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; This is one of the interesting elements of FOSS marketing that I've
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; talked about in the past. That Marketing department, which in a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; corporate world always has the ear of management more so than the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Development people simply because of human interaction capabilities, has
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; to turn it's focus inward. The problem is, an one I've been trying to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; avoid here, is that it becomes insular to the exclusion of all else and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; then the community stagnates and spirals into irrelevancy. For the
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; community to grow there has to be a dynamism, (and I'm talking grow in
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; terms of the community of contributors) Userland is the big billboard
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; of that dynamism. Ubuntu for all it's faults and annoyances has taught
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; us one thing, high visibility in Userland attracts contributors.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Then what Fedora and Debian has taught us ?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Because AFAIK there is also lots of contributors in Fedora, as there is
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; in Debian, and I think they didn't really choose the high visibility
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; path to get them. So I do not think we can really find a direct
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; correlation between &quot;ubuntu has lots of users&quot; and &quot;there is lots of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contribution&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Debian is an interesting case in viral marketing in a highly interconnected
+</I>&gt;<i> demographic. I always remember the &quot;OMG we have a new release!&quot; that used to
+</I>&gt;<i> race round the maillists and Usergroups. It never really had a market share,
+</I>&gt;<i> rather it had almost a monopoly in its chosen demographic. It is deliberately
+</I>&gt;<i> eclectic and famously stubborn and being part of the community is as important
+</I>&gt;<i> as the software itself, I mean he named it after his wife and himself, Deb and
+</I>&gt;<i> Ian, how cool is that. It was just that attitude that endeared it to it's
+</I>&gt;<i> chosen community and good on them. Slackware and Gentoo have a similar ethic.
+</I>&gt;<i> And more power to them. It wasn't until Ubuntu came along that Debian gained
+</I>&gt;<i> much in the way of widespread traction. However it was it's obsession with
+</I>&gt;<i> stability that attracted the Mark. They could afford to break things because
+</I>&gt;<i> they had this super stable backstop, but at the end of the day, Debian counts
+</I>&gt;<i> the Ubuntu user as it's community, I would be interested to know how many more
+</I>&gt;<i> developers Debian picked up in the wake of Ubuntu's popularity, I certainly
+</I>&gt;<i> know quite a few. Certainly HPs support was post Ubuntu startup
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora has the benefit of age, being around a long time and focusing in the
+</I>&gt;<i> corporate space is a good way to lift profile in your preferred market. I
+</I>&gt;<i> don't have any figures unfortunately but I would suspect many came from Red
+</I>&gt;<i> Hat sites.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In any case, both are in fact very small in terms of the whole desktop market
+</I>&gt;<i> and even in terms of all developers.
+</I>
+Small in term of direct users, but they are the one with the more
+contributers, and therefor, the one that are likely to survive in the
+long term. And while it is not a stated goal of Mageia, I hope it is
+obvious to everybody that we ( aka the founders ) forked the project
+because we wanted it to survive in case of problem on Mandriva side.
+
+If we look at the number of contributers in the overall free software
+distribution community. I think that Debian and Fedora are one of the
+biggest one.
+
+The fedora account system tell me there is 21000 members in the group of
+people who signed the contributer level agreement ( CLA ), around 1100
+in the packager group, around 100 in the marketing group. I suspect that
+opening a account is required to edit the wiki or something like that,
+hence the high number of accounts.
+
+A quick search on debian ldap directory ( ldapsearch -x -H
+<A HREF="ldap://db.debian.org">ldap://db.debian.org</A> -b ou=users,dc=debian,dc=org
+'(objectClass=debianAccount)' ) tell me there is around 1650 accounts,
+which roughly translate to the same number of packagers for the time
+being.
+
+Ubuntu &quot;only&quot; have 650 people in the ubuntu-member group
+( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers">https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers</A> ), which is a superset of the
+various groups. There is 160 people who can upload to Universe ( ie,
+their version of what mandriva called &quot;contribs&quot; )
+( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~universe-contributors">https://launchpad.net/~universe-contributors</A> ), and there was 970 who
+subscribed to have their packages reviewed
+( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~revu-uploaders">https://launchpad.net/~revu-uploaders</A> ).
+
+When you compare to the 3000 people who committed to gnome since the
+beggining ( source, gnome census of Dave Neary ), the 500 currently
+active contributers of kde
+( <A HREF="http://www.kdenews.org/2009/07/14/growth-metrics-kde-contributors">http://www.kdenews.org/2009/07/14/growth-metrics-kde-contributors</A> ) or
+the 700 who contributed to 2.6.20 ( <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/">http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/</A> ),
+you see the number are not much different.
+
+So while they may be small in term of market of users, they are the one
+who successfully attracted some of the biggest community of
+contributers.
+
+And attracting contributors is the key of the sustainability we should
+aim.
+
+&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; My own opinion is that Canonical pay 5 people full time to take care of
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the community growth
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( <A HREF="http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/">http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/</A> ), and that's
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; the main reason for contribution from outsiders.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Tsk a badly dressed marketing team ;)
+</I>
+Nope.
+The team of Jono have been quite concerned with organisation ( see the
+various track at UDS ), they produced some code to help on various level
+( acire, python-snippet ), wrote some documentations ( for the various
+community process ) and they also try to act as mediator ( see Jono
+book, chapter 9 ) when there is a conflict.
+
+This IMHO exceed the scope of a marketing team.
+
+
+&gt;<i> I'm not denying that marketing to
+</I>&gt;<i> bring in Code Contributors is a necessary thing and in fact we've already
+</I>&gt;<i> identified this group as our initial, primary target market, however the fact
+</I>&gt;<i> that Ubuntu is high profile out in the market place gives Jono and crew a hell
+</I>&gt;<i> of a lot more leverage to bring in new talent.
+</I>
+They do not seem to attract so much new talent, if we look at the
+metrics I gave before. Or at least, they are not more successful that
+Fedora or Gentoo ( back in the day when Gentoo was all the rage, some
+years ago in 2005 ). Of course, they are more successful than we were in
+Mandriva, so that's not bad either.
+
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; The same goes for
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Fedora and Redhat
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; ( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture</A> )
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> It's interesting that you point to that URL, I'm a big believer in the Biology
+</I>&gt;<i> of Community that the Fedora guys talk about.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical mass
+</I>&gt;<i> it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community that would be
+</I>&gt;<i> the point where you could remove all of the founders from the mix and it would
+</I>&gt;<i> keep going.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> To me that requires a whole community, it is a holistic beast. Yes you can
+</I>&gt;<i> continue a community that rides on the coat tails of a single person or core
+</I>&gt;<i> group but is it self sustaining.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora has reached this point I think and would continue if RedHat was removed
+</I>&gt;<i> from the equation.
+</I>
+Time may tell us sooner than we think.
+
+&gt;<i> Would Ubuntu continue without Shuttleworth and Canonical,
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm not sure, but I reckon they are a long way toward it. OOo wasn't, but
+</I>&gt;<i> LibreOffice has the opportunity to be. Debian, I don't know the community
+</I>&gt;<i> well enough to comment.
+</I>
+There was a point were the Debian infrastructure was almost forked some
+years ago, according to a story I heard in Zurich ( but I do not have
+public source ). And there was also the old rumors of a Debian fork in
+2003 ( <A HREF="http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/08/msg00389.html">http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/08/msg00389.html</A> ),
+which may have lead or be fueled by the creation of Ubuntu at that time.
+
+
+&gt;<i> The point is that community goes right across the spectrum of users
+</I>&gt;<i> Not enough of the community at the User end of the spectrum is as untenable as
+</I>&gt;<i> not enough at the Makers end. The trick is balance, that's what the Fedora
+</I>&gt;<i> project has taught us
+</I>
+Then the balance decided by Fedora is not really in favor of people in
+the User end, if we look at this interview :
+<A HREF="http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/">http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/</A>
+
+&quot;Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other
+distributions is that we&#8217;d rather gain one contributor than a dozen
+users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a
+contributor, I&#8217;d do it. It&#8217;s not up to me, but if it were, I&#8217;d do it.&quot;
+
+--
+Michael Scherer
+
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+<PRE>2010/10/20 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions is that we&#8217;d rather gain one contributor than a dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a
+</I>&gt;<i> contributor, I&#8217;d do it. It&#8217;s not up to me, but if it were, I&#8217;d do it.&quot;
+</I>
+This seems to me a very short-sighted point of view. It may be right
+if you start a project and you do not have enough contributors to get
+it going at all. But for something where the basic number of
+contributors is already available it's time to turn users into
+committed users. Besides, the PR footwork done by a large user base is
+cost-free and a powerful instrument. PR is as essential as
+development. You can have the best product in the world but no success
+if you have no PR (that was one of Mandriva's faults).
+
+How are contributors become attracted to a new project? Besides other
+means (fellow contributors, friends, etc.) they become attracted as
+users. They look at the product from a user's point of view, they like
+it and decide that this is something they want to spend some time,
+sweat and tears on (remembering the fact that contributors primarily
+work to scratch their own itches with the project they like (IIRC it
+was you who wrote that)). So, if you can find a contributor, fine. But
+finding 1000 users bears the chance that there may be more than one
+contributor or user-turns-contributor among them.
+
+Yes, I agree, &quot;the trick is balance&quot;.
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Romain d'Alverny</B>
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+<PRE>2010/10/20 MacXi &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">terraagua at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Em S&#225;b 02 Out 2010, &#224;s 14:33:05, Anne nicolas escreveu:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Could you please send a HTML version of this file ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks for advance
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Anne,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm sending attached the text of the &quot;VALUES&quot; (VALORES) in Portuguese and
+</I>&gt;<i> html.
+</I>
+Here is it: <A HREF="http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/values/">http://mageia.org/pt-br/about/values/</A>
+
+Thanks!
+
+Romain
+</PRE>
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+Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 14:24:51, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/20 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distributions is that we&#8217;d rather gain one contributor than a dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contributor, I&#8217;d do it. It&#8217;s not up to me, but if it were, I&#8217;d do it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems to me a very short-sighted point of view. It may be right
+</I>&gt;<i> if you start a project and you do not have enough contributors to get
+</I>&gt;<i> it going at all. But for something where the basic number of
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors is already available it's time to turn users into
+</I>&gt;<i> committed users. Besides, the PR footwork done by a large user base is
+</I>&gt;<i> cost-free and a powerful instrument. PR is as essential as
+</I>&gt;<i> development. You can have the best product in the world but no success
+</I>&gt;<i> if you have no PR (that was one of Mandriva's faults).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> How are contributors become attracted to a new project? Besides other
+</I>&gt;<i> means (fellow contributors, friends, etc.) they become attracted as
+</I>&gt;<i> users. They look at the product from a user's point of view, they like
+</I>&gt;<i> it and decide that this is something they want to spend some time,
+</I>&gt;<i> sweat and tears on (remembering the fact that contributors primarily
+</I>&gt;<i> work to scratch their own itches with the project they like (IIRC it
+</I>&gt;<i> was you who wrote that)). So, if you can find a contributor, fine. But
+</I>&gt;<i> finding 1000 users bears the chance that there may be more than one
+</I>&gt;<i> contributor or user-turns-contributor among them.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Yes, I agree, &quot;the trick is balance&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>+1 for wobo on this one :)
+
+Samuel
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+&gt;<i> 2010/10/20 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distributions is that we&#226;&#128;&#153;d rather gain one contributor than a dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contributor, I&#226;&#128;&#153;d do it. It&#226;&#128;&#153;s not up to me, but if it were, I&#226;&#128;&#153;d do it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems to me a very short-sighted point of view. It may be right
+</I>&gt;<i> if you start a project and you do not have enough contributors to get
+</I>&gt;<i> it going at all.
+</I>
+The reason why Fedora isn't much interested in mere users is because
+Fedora is not a real community distro at all.
+
+Fedora is first and foremost a testbest of new technologies for Redhat,
+to experiment with new code that might then later be incorporated into
+RHEL.
+
+Redhat doesn't care much about the end-users of Fedora, they only care
+about attracting skilled developers, since those represent extra unpaid
+labour for them, that ultimately benefits their commercial RHEL distro.
+
+Despite that (and despite what most people think), most of the work on
+Fedora is still done by Redhat employees.
+Without Redhat Fedora would cease to exist (at least in it's current
+form).
+
+I know this might sound harsh to some who didn't know this, but that's
+the reality of it.
+
+If Mageia takes off (and I'm sure it will) it will actually become the
+ONLY other large community distro besides Debian and we might even
+attract quite a few Fedora devs that want to switch to a REAL rpm based
+community distro.
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+<A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct</A>
+
+I think the part
+
+&quot;Our community is made up of a number of individuals and organizations which
+can roughly be divided into two groups:
+
+ - Contributors, or those who add value to the project through improving
+ distribution and any project from Mageia
+ - Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as
+ users of Mageia&quot;
+
+should be reformulated.
+
+There have been several proposals in the ML in favor of making it easyer for
+users to participate more actively in the Mageia Project. The aim is to
+lower the threshold for active participation : help in the ML's or Forums,
+help to report bugs, ...
+
+So I think that should be reflected in this document by avoiding to suggest
+that one must be in the one or the other category. We should emphasise that
+there is a continuum of involvement, not a jump into another status.
+
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The reason why Fedora isn't much interested in mere users is because
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora is not a real community distro at all.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora is first and foremost a testbest of new technologies for Redhat,
+</I>&gt;<i> to experiment with new code that might then later be incorporated into
+</I>&gt;<i> RHEL.
+</I>
+This is a known fact and even Fedora ambassadors do not deny this (at
+least the 2 I've talked to recently). But to read this spelled out in
+public by a VP of the Fedora project is something else.
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So I think that should be reflected in this document by avoiding to suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> that one must be in the one or the other category. We should emphasise that
+</I>&gt;<i> there is a continuum of involvement, not a jump into another status.
+</I>
+IMHO it is reflecting the 2 groups very well. The second part does not
+say that users are not involved, quite the contrary. It says that
+users can add value to the project through their support. This is
+exactyl what I've been doing for mandriva and will do for Mageia. I do
+not see me as a contributor who improves the distribution because I've
+never added one line of code to any part of the distribution and most
+likely I will not do it for Mageia because I do not have the necessary
+knowledge/skills. I am a user who adds value to the project by
+supporting other users with answers, documentation, translation,
+communication, etc.
+
+Reading the 2 descriptions carefully reveals that both groups are
+defined very well. It's nowhere written that somebody can not be a
+member of both groups (if I could code or package I'd see me in both
+groups).
+
+But this is only my 2K Euros worth. As this text is open for review,
+you're very welcome to propose a better text which describes your
+understanding of this &quot;our community is made up....&quot;.
+
+--
+wobo
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 &#224; 14:24 +0200, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> 2010/10/20 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &quot;Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; distributions is that we&#8217;d rather gain one contributor than a dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; contributor, I&#8217;d do it. It&#8217;s not up to me, but if it were, I&#8217;d do it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This seems to me a very short-sighted point of view. It may be right
+</I>&gt;<i> if you start a project and you do not have enough contributors to get
+</I>&gt;<i> it going at all. But for something where the basic number of
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors is already available it's time to turn users into
+</I>&gt;<i> committed users.
+</I>
+Which basically mean &quot;gaining contributor&quot;. He do not say where the
+contributors come from, and there is no indication they should come from
+the userbase. So, maybe you agree with him. ( maybe not on the scale,
+which is a little bit extreme ).
+
+&gt;<i> Besides, the PR footwork done by a large user base is
+</I>&gt;<i> cost-free and a powerful instrument. PR is as essential as
+</I>&gt;<i> development. You can have the best product in the world but no success
+</I>&gt;<i> if you have no PR (that was one of Mandriva's faults).
+</I>
+
+Fedora has a system of ambassador, who exactly do this, PR. So they
+recognize this as a form of contribution.
+
+Then if some users do PR work, they are contributors, not users ( in the
+sense I understand it which would be &quot;someone who do not contribute&quot; ).
+
+When he speak of users, I think he speak of someone who download the
+iso, install and do noting more. No proselytism, no bug report, nothing.
+
+Basically, having this person as user or not do not change much the
+project. Now, if the person start to contribute by helping on forum, it
+bring value to the project, and can be counted as someone who
+contribute.
+
+&gt;<i> How are contributors become attracted to a new project? Besides other
+</I>&gt;<i> means (fellow contributors, friends, etc.) they become attracted as
+</I>&gt;<i> users. They look at the product from a user's point of view, they like
+</I>&gt;<i> it and decide that this is something they want to spend some time,
+</I>&gt;<i> sweat and tears on (remembering the fact that contributors primarily
+</I>&gt;<i> work to scratch their own itches with the project they like (IIRC it
+</I>&gt;<i> was you who wrote that)). So, if you can find a contributor, fine. But
+</I>&gt;<i> finding 1000 users bears the chance that there may be more than one
+</I>&gt;<i> contributor or user-turns-contributor among them.
+</I>
+Well, his point, imho, is that if you have to decide between helping
+someone to contribute or helping someone to use ( in the sense we
+defined previously ), you should help people to contribute.
+
+His view is just a uncomfortable truth :
+
+- ressources ( ie contributors of all kind ) are scarce
+- ressources diminish with time ( ie, people leave for various reason )
+- so we should aim to increase the ressources to survive and to counter
+the erosion
+- so we should allocate more priority into getting contributors than
+simple non contributing users, because some of them will come whatever
+we do.
+- in turn, having more contributors lead to more contribution, which
+lead to a better project, and more satisfied users, who are likely to
+grow into contributors who simply attract people because they contribute
+with positive PR.
+
+Ie, attracting contributors are likely to be a much better way to invest
+time than attracting non contributing users, as it has a better ROI ( if
+I may use such dehumanizing term ).
+
+Of course, there is no clear separation between the 2 ( even if when I
+say &quot;we should treat everybody as potential contributor&quot; ( which is a
+negation of the divide ), there is always someone who remind that
+&quot;there is some people that do not want to be treated as such&quot; ) ).
+
+And the fact that everybody will tell &quot;but users also bring
+contributors&quot; is the sign that we agree that contributors are a asset.
+
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+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Of course, there is no clear separation between the 2 ( even if when I
+</I>&gt;<i> say &quot;we should treat everybody as potential contributor&quot; ( which is a
+</I>&gt;<i> negation of the divide ), there is always someone who remind &#160;that
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;there is some people that do not want to be treated as such&quot; ) ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And the fact that everybody will tell &quot;but users also bring
+</I>&gt;<i> contributors&quot; is the sign that we agree that contributors are a asset.
+</I>
+Yes, agreed. We may just have a different semantic view on the
+expressions, but I think we are meaning almost the same.
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+Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a
+questionaire-form.
+
+For instance:
+
+Do you intend to install Mageia on a:
+
+1. Desktop.
+2. Laptop.
+3. Mobile
+
+What arch does your CPU have?
+
+1. i586.
+2. x86_64
+
+And so on..........................to tailor-make the installation
+after what he/she wants it to be like.
+I know it would take some time to finish it, but the result will be in
+their favour.
+
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+When it comes to the development of the unstable version, why not do
+nightly build-isos?
+
+That would help users to install Mageia by NOT using the netboot-iso
+or by upgrading from the stable which isn't recommended today &amp; to see
+where there are any issues. Sometimes the netboot-iso won't install
+'cause the mirror isn't answering properly.
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+&gt;<i> For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to understand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a
+</I>&gt;<i> questionaire-form.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For instance:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you intend to install Mageia on a:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Desktop.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Laptop.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Mobile
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What arch does your CPU have?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. i586.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Huh? A newbie has no idea what 'CPU' means and even less what i586 or
+x86_64 are....
+
+Heck, even I don't know what you mean by Mobile in the first question...
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+<PRE>And you think they'll know that with the current Mandriva-installer if
+that's what transferred into Mageia?
+
+You know you CAN use mobile-phones to install Linux on as well?
+
+Ever heard of Moblin?
+
+2010/10/20, Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> understand.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> questionaire-form.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> For instance:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Do you intend to install Mageia on a:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. Desktop.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. Laptop.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 3. Mobile
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> What arch does your CPU have?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 1. i586.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2. x86_64
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Huh? A newbie has no idea what 'CPU' means and even less what i586 or
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64 are....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Heck, even I don't know what you mean by Mobile in the first question...
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 15:06:34, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2010/10/20 Frederic Janssens &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I think that should be reflected in this document by avoiding to suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that one must be in the one or the other category. We should emphasise that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there is a continuum of involvement, not a jump into another status.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO it is reflecting the 2 groups very well. The second part does not
+</I>&gt;<i> say that users are not involved, quite the contrary. It says that
+</I>&gt;<i> users can add value to the project through their support. This is
+</I>&gt;<i> exactyl what I've been doing for mandriva and will do for Mageia. I do
+</I>&gt;<i> not see me as a contributor who improves the distribution because I've
+</I>&gt;<i> never added one line of code to any part of the distribution and most
+</I>&gt;<i> likely I will not do it for Mageia because I do not have the necessary
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge/skills. I am a user who adds value to the project by
+</I>&gt;<i> supporting other users with answers, documentation, translation,
+</I>&gt;<i> communication, etc.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Reading the 2 descriptions carefully reveals that both groups are
+</I>&gt;<i> defined very well. It's nowhere written that somebody can not be a
+</I>&gt;<i> member of both groups (if I could code or package I'd see me in both
+</I>&gt;<i> groups).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But this is only my 2K Euros worth. As this text is open for review,
+</I>&gt;<i> you're very welcome to propose a better text which describes your
+</I>&gt;<i> understanding of this &quot;our community is made up....&quot;.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+The word &quot;divided&quot; probably could be changed to something better.
+
+Regards
+
+Samuel
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+&gt;<i> 2010/10/20 Frederic Janssens &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">fjanss at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; So I think that should be reflected in this document by avoiding to suggest
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that one must be in the one or the other category. We should emphasise that
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; there is a continuum of involvement, not a jump into another status.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> IMHO it is reflecting the 2 groups very well. The second part does not
+</I>&gt;<i> say that users are not involved, quite the contrary. It says that
+</I>&gt;<i> users can add value to the project through their support. This is
+</I>&gt;<i> exactyl what I've been doing for mandriva and will do for Mageia. I do
+</I>&gt;<i> not see me as a contributor who improves the distribution because I've
+</I>&gt;<i> never added one line of code to any part of the distribution and most
+</I>&gt;<i> likely I will not do it for Mageia because I do not have the necessary
+</I>&gt;<i> knowledge/skills. I am a user who adds value to the project by
+</I>&gt;<i> supporting other users with answers, documentation, translation,
+</I>&gt;<i> communication, etc.
+</I>
+Well, this is a form of contribution, yes.
+So you are a contributor, because you contribute.
+
+In the past and historically, the group of people who participated in
+cooker externally to mandrakesoft/mandriva were called &quot;contributers&quot;,
+derived likely from the fact we were sending packages in contribs.
+
+Then, the bug triaging was opened to people, the translation too ( in
+fact, it was before ), but the name contributers became synonym with
+packagers ( and also coder ). And cooker users became the name of people
+who were working with test, discussions, etc, on cooker.
+
+Mail alias, and ssh/svn access were given to packagers, translators ( ie
+&quot;contributors&quot; ), and the other type of contribution, while not
+forbidden, didn't really grew ( ie few people contributed artwork, or
+communication, etc ).
+
+Part of the problem was due to the fact that only visible contribution
+were seen as technical, and because Mandriva didn't really opened
+contributions in some area ( even if, imho, there was no need to wait on
+mdv for this ).
+
+So now, we want to recognize all kind of contribution, which seems to me
+a fair goal, as contribution to a project is not only technical.
+
+People who contribute, whatever they contribute ( except contributing to
+my anger ), are contributors. So you are a contributor.
+
+If we use word in the way most people will expect them, things will be
+much clearer to everybody. And the way the word &quot;contributor&quot; was
+twisted in Mandriva is something we should avoid, cause it lead people
+to think the only possible way to help were technical.
+
+&gt;<i> Reading the 2 descriptions carefully reveals that both groups are
+</I>&gt;<i> defined very well. It's nowhere written that somebody can not be a
+</I>&gt;<i> member of both groups (if I could code or package I'd see me in both
+</I>&gt;<i> groups).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> But this is only my 2K Euros worth.
+</I>
+Wow, inflation is quite bad in Germany :)
+
+
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+&gt;<i> And you think they'll know that with the current Mandriva-installer if
+</I>&gt;<i> that's what transferred into Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You know you CAN use mobile-phones to install Linux on as well?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ever heard of Moblin?
+</I>
+Please don't top-post.
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+I'm aware that there are specialized Linux distros for mobile phones but
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+since &quot;mobile&quot; is not a universally recognized word for mobile-phones.
+
+That said, AFAIK there is no general purpose distro that can also be
+installed on a mobile-phone.
+
+Furthermore for a newbie, LESS questions is better so good working
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+should know for future installations would help.
+
+2010/10/20 Tux99 &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">tux99-mga at uridium.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; And you think they'll know that with the current Mandriva-installer if
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; that's what transferred into Mageia?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; You know you CAN use mobile-phones to install Linux on as well?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Ever heard of Moblin?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Please don't top-post.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I'm aware that there are specialized Linux distros for mobile phones but
+</I>&gt;<i> it wasn't obvious to me that you meant phones by the saying &quot;mobile&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> since &quot;mobile&quot; is not a universally recognized word for mobile-phones.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That said, AFAIK there is no general purpose distro that can also be
+</I>&gt;<i> installed on a mobile-phone.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Furthermore for a newbie, LESS questions is better so good working
+</I>&gt;<i> auto dedection (always with the possibility of maunal override for
+</I>&gt;<i> advance users) is key, not dumbed down questions.
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+</I>&gt;<i> Envoy&#233;&#160;: 20 octobre 2010 09:45
+</I>&gt;<i> &#192;&#160;: Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> Objet&#160;: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundstr&#195;&#182;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> understand.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; questionaire-form.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; For instance:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Do you intend to install Mageia on a:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. Desktop.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. Laptop.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 3. Mobile
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; What arch does your CPU have?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 1. i586.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; 2. x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Huh? A newbie has no idea what 'CPU' means and even less what i586 or
+</I>&gt;<i> x86_64 are....
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Heck, even I don't know what you mean by Mobile in the first
+</I>&gt;<i> question...
+</I>
+Hi,
+
+Newbie in linux doesn't mean that the person doesn't know some basics of
+computers. Do not pretend that all newbies have never used a computer with
+another system.
+
+
+Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+<A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
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+ <B>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m</B>
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+<PRE>Right, but for thoose who doesn't need or want to read tons &amp; tons of
+unimportant info.
+
+2010/10/20 Dubeau, Patrick &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">Patrick.Dubeau at ccq.org</A>&gt;
+
+&gt;<i> &gt; <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">bounces at mageia.org</A>] De la part de Tux99
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Envoy&#233; : 20 octobre 2010 09:45
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &#192; : Mageia general discussions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Objet : Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, [UTF-8] Kristoffer Grundstr&#195;&#182;m wrote:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; understand.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; questionaire-form.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; For instance:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; Do you intend to install Mageia on a:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1. Desktop.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2. Laptop.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 3. Mobile
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; What arch does your CPU have?
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 1. i586.
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt; 2. x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Huh? A newbie has no idea what 'CPU' means and even less what i586 or
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; x86_64 are....
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Heck, even I don't know what you mean by Mobile in the first
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; question...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Hi,
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Newbie in linux doesn't mean that the person doesn't know some basics of
+</I>&gt;<i> computers. Do not pretend that all newbies have never used a computer with
+</I>&gt;<i> another system.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Patrick Dubeau (alias DaaX) - Webmaster MLO
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org">http://www.mandrivalinux-online.org</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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+
+1. one for the Desktop computers (think of installing on Intel iMac or Dell
+all-in-one with multi-touch display)
+2. one for Laptops and Netbooks (yeah, optimized for this ones)
+3. one for mobile devices (phones, smart phones, tablets)
+4. do not forget the server side
+5. PS: and some gaming too :)
+
+I don't think that asking the user what kind of CPU is &quot;newbie&quot;. Instead the
+installer must be able to detect itself if it's on a 32 or 64 bit platform. Once
+again, I'm not shure that if a 64 bit CPU is detected the end user may be wants
+to install a 32 bit one for compatibility reasons.
+
+We may propose the 32 bit by default, and if a 64 bit CPU is detected to inform
+the user that a 64 bit version, that takes better advantage of his hardware, is
+also available on download for his machine.
+
+Just my 2cents tips :)
+
+Best regards,
+Florin Catalin RUSSEN
+Romanian Translation Team
+
+
+
+
+----- Original Message ----
+From: Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">kristoffer.grundstrom1983 at gmail.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>
+Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 15:41:05
+Subject: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+
+For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to understand.
+
+Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a
+questionaire-form.
+
+For instance:
+
+Do you intend to install Mageia on a:
+
+1. Desktop.
+2. Laptop.
+3. Mobile
+
+What arch does your CPU have?
+
+1. i586.
+2. x86_64
+
+And so on..........................to tailor-make the installation
+after what he/she wants it to be like.
+I know it would take some time to finish it, but the result will be in
+their favour.
+
+-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+
+When it comes to the development of the unstable version, why not do
+nightly build-isos?
+
+That would help users to install Mageia by NOT using the netboot-iso
+or by upgrading from the stable which isn't recommended today &amp; to see
+where there are any issues. Sometimes the netboot-iso won't install
+'cause the mirror isn't answering properly.
+
+/Kristoffer
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+&lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">cfrussen at yahoo.co.uk</A>&gt;&#23531;&#36947;:
+
+&gt;<i> I think that specific versions must be created.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. one for the Desktop computers (think of installing on Intel iMac or
+</I>&gt;<i> Dell
+</I>&gt;<i> all-in-one with multi-touch display)
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. one for Laptops and Netbooks (yeah, optimized for this ones)
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. one for mobile devices (phones, smart phones, tablets)
+</I>&gt;<i> 4. do not forget the server side
+</I>&gt;<i> 5. PS: and some gaming too :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>I think at some point, the splitting of ONE version is great, but
+
+going too far would cause too much manpower on tweaking...
+
+Maybe a better way is to have the normal installer in DVD version
+
+have much more task-oriented selection, not just Desktop selection.
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+&gt;<i> For newbies I think it's a great idea to make the installer easy to understand.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Therefor I'd like to suggest that the installer would function like a
+</I>&gt;<i> questionaire-form.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> For instance:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Do you intend to install Mageia on a:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. Desktop.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. Laptop.
+</I>&gt;<i> 3. Mobile
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This is already auto-detectable by the MDV installer.
+
+&gt;<i> What arch does your CPU have?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. i586.
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. x86_64
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+This too. Of course, the MDV installer currently decides which you get
+by which boot.iso or isolinux you use, but that dates back to x86_64 not
+working on all x86_64 chips, in order to allow those systems to install
+i586. Not sure if this is still needed or desirable.
+
+&gt;<i> When it comes to the development of the unstable version, why not do
+</I>&gt;<i> nightly build-isos?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> That would help users to install Mageia by NOT using the netboot-iso
+</I>&gt;<i> or by upgrading from the stable which isn't recommended today &amp; to see
+</I>&gt;<i> where there are any issues. Sometimes the netboot-iso won't install
+</I>&gt;<i> 'cause the mirror isn't answering properly.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+I'm afraid that the reality is that you need a stable network connection
+to a mirror and decent bandwidth to be able to follow cooker effectively.
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+<PRE>1. At Mandriva we already had different ISOs for 32- and 64-bit, which
+we should do as well. So this question about the arch during
+installation is obsolete.
+
+2. A difference between desktop/laptop/mobile should be on &quot;task&quot;
+level like the meta-task scripts we had at Mandriva. I don't think
+there should be a real special distribution for any purpose. There are
+ special Mandriva editions f&#252;r netbooks (meego), for machines with
+poor ressources (LXDE Edition), etc. Such special editions used to be
+created by groups inside the community, we can do it likewise.
+
+So, my vote goes to the &quot;one Mageia edition&quot; solution with room for
+any other special enhancements to be created by community groups like
+the XFCE group, the LXDE group (MUD), the Meego group, etc. At least
+for the start. If we have the ressources and if there is a demand for
+such special editions we can see to that later after the main
+distribution is rolling.
+
+BTW: &quot;Mobile Linux&quot; for mobile phones is Android and I don't think
+anyone could beat that on the market. We should not bother with that.
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+<PRE>2010/10/20 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Well, this is a form of contribution, yes.
+</I>&gt;<i> So you are a contributor, because you contribute.
+</I>
+Ah yes, we've been there before :)
+
+&gt;<i> So now, we want to recognize all kind of contribution, which seems to me
+</I>&gt;<i> a fair goal, as contribution to a project is not only technical.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> People who contribute, whatever they contribute ( except contributing to
+</I>&gt;<i> my anger ), are contributors. So you are a contributor.
+</I>
+In the light of this we should erase the whole chapter about &quot;2
+groups&quot; which would be ok for me.
+
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> But this is only my 2K Euros worth.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Wow, inflation is quite bad in Germany :)
+</I>
+No, only a bad case of inflated ego on a low budget! :)
+
+--
+wobo
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+ <B>Catalin Florin RUSSEN</B>
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+<PRE>Yeah, why not. One swiss knife distro: 1 DVD that allows you to install via the
+meta-tasks the config you like (Desktop, Laptop, Netbook, Gaming, Server...).
+Great, I like this ideea.
+
+Best regards,
+Florin
+
+
+
+----- Original Message ----
+From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>; Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 17:22:25
+Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+
+1. At Mandriva we already had different ISOs for 32- and 64-bit, which
+we should do as well. So this question about the arch during
+installation is obsolete.
+
+2. A difference between desktop/laptop/mobile should be on &quot;task&quot;
+level like the meta-task scripts we had at Mandriva. I don't think
+there should be a real special distribution for any purpose. There are
+special Mandriva editions f&#252;r netbooks (meego), for machines with
+poor ressources (LXDE Edition), etc. Such special editions used to be
+created by groups inside the community, we can do it likewise.
+
+So, my vote goes to the &quot;one Mageia edition&quot; solution with room for
+any other special enhancements to be created by community groups like
+the XFCE group, the LXDE group (MUD), the Meego group, etc. At least
+for the start. If we have the ressources and if there is a demand for
+such special editions we can see to that later after the main
+distribution is rolling.
+
+BTW: &quot;Mobile Linux&quot; for mobile phones is Android and I don't think
+anyone could beat that on the market. We should not bother with that.
+
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+&gt;<i> Yeah, why not. One swiss knife distro: 1 DVD that allows you to install via the
+</I>&gt;<i> meta-tasks the config you like (Desktop, Laptop, Netbook, Gaming, Server...).
+</I>&gt;<i> Great, I like this ideea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+That's exactly what I did not propose, just to make that clear.
+
+BTW: Florin pls stop top posting, I think this has been said often
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-20 14:52:05 skrev Frederic Janssens:
+&gt;<i> Some remarks about the Mageia Code of Conduct proposal
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I think the part
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Our community is made up of a number of individuals and
+</I>&gt;<i> organizations which can roughly be divided into two groups:
+</I>
+Maybe above change &quot;divided into&quot; to &quot;seen as&quot;
+(softer)
+
+&gt;<i> - Contributors, or those who add value to the project through improving
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution and any project from Mageia
+</I>&gt;<i> - Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as
+</I>&gt;<i> users of Mageia&quot;
+</I>
+Maybe add
+&quot;Of course, users are encouraged to participate by helping other users on the
+forum, submit bug reports, translations, building on wiki, whatever they
+like... and thus contribute any way they like.&quot;
+
+Mmm something like that...
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-20 07:15, Michael Scherer a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 &#224; 14:26 +1300, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 11:38:39 Michael Scherer wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Le mardi 19 octobre 2010 &#224; 09:06 +1300, Graham Lauder a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> On Tuesday 19 Oct 2010 04:27:29 Frank Griffin wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> In FOSS, it doesn't. If enough people agree with your objective, you
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> may find that you have enough critical mass to produce a derived distro
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> with a face and personality which matches your objectives.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This is one of the interesting elements of FOSS marketing that I've
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> talked about in the past. That Marketing department, which in a
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> corporate world always has the ear of management more so than the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Development people simply because of human interaction capabilities, has
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> to turn it's focus inward. The problem is, an one I've been trying to
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> avoid here, is that it becomes insular to the exclusion of all else and
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> then the community stagnates and spirals into irrelevancy. For the
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> community to grow there has to be a dynamism, (and I'm talking grow in
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> terms of the community of contributors) Userland is the big billboard
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> of that dynamism. Ubuntu for all it's faults and annoyances has taught
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> us one thing, high visibility in Userland attracts contributors.
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Then what Fedora and Debian has taught us ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Because AFAIK there is also lots of contributors in Fedora, as there is
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> in Debian, and I think they didn't really choose the high visibility
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> path to get them. So I do not think we can really find a direct
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> correlation between &quot;ubuntu has lots of users&quot; and &quot;there is lots of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> contribution&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Debian is an interesting case in viral marketing in a highly interconnected
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> demographic. I always remember the &quot;OMG we have a new release!&quot; that used to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> race round the maillists and Usergroups. It never really had a market share,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> rather it had almost a monopoly in its chosen demographic. It is deliberately
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> eclectic and famously stubborn and being part of the community is as important
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> as the software itself, I mean he named it after his wife and himself, Deb and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Ian, how cool is that. It was just that attitude that endeared it to it's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> chosen community and good on them. Slackware and Gentoo have a similar ethic.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And more power to them. It wasn't until Ubuntu came along that Debian gained
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> much in the way of widespread traction. However it was it's obsession with
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> stability that attracted the Mark. They could afford to break things because
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> they had this super stable backstop, but at the end of the day, Debian counts
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the Ubuntu user as it's community, I would be interested to know how many more
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> developers Debian picked up in the wake of Ubuntu's popularity, I certainly
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> know quite a few. Certainly HPs support was post Ubuntu startup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fedora has the benefit of age, being around a long time and focusing in the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> corporate space is a good way to lift profile in your preferred market. I
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> don't have any figures unfortunately but I would suspect many came from Red
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hat sites.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> In any case, both are in fact very small in terms of the whole desktop market
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and even in terms of all developers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Small in term of direct users, but they are the one with the more
+</I>&gt;<i> contributers, and therefor, the one that are likely to survive in the
+</I>&gt;<i> long term. And while it is not a stated goal of Mageia, I hope it is
+</I>&gt;<i> obvious to everybody that we ( aka the founders ) forked the project
+</I>&gt;<i> because we wanted it to survive in case of problem on Mandriva side.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> If we look at the number of contributers in the overall free software
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution community. I think that Debian and Fedora are one of the
+</I>&gt;<i> biggest one.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> The fedora account system tell me there is 21000 members in the group of
+</I>&gt;<i> people who signed the contributer level agreement ( CLA ), around 1100
+</I>&gt;<i> in the packager group, around 100 in the marketing group. I suspect that
+</I>&gt;<i> opening a account is required to edit the wiki or something like that,
+</I>&gt;<i> hence the high number of accounts.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> A quick search on debian ldap directory ( ldapsearch -x -H
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="ldap://db.debian.org">ldap://db.debian.org</A> -b ou=users,dc=debian,dc=org
+</I>&gt;<i> '(objectClass=debianAccount)' ) tell me there is around 1650 accounts,
+</I>&gt;<i> which roughly translate to the same number of packagers for the time
+</I>&gt;<i> being.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Ubuntu &quot;only&quot; have 650 people in the ubuntu-member group
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers">https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers</A> ), which is a superset of the
+</I>&gt;<i> various groups. There is 160 people who can upload to Universe ( ie,
+</I>&gt;<i> their version of what mandriva called &quot;contribs&quot; )
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~universe-contributors">https://launchpad.net/~universe-contributors</A> ), and there was 970 who
+</I>&gt;<i> subscribed to have their packages reviewed
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="https://launchpad.net/~revu-uploaders">https://launchpad.net/~revu-uploaders</A> ).
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> When you compare to the 3000 people who committed to gnome since the
+</I>&gt;<i> beggining ( source, gnome census of Dave Neary ), the 500 currently
+</I>&gt;<i> active contributers of kde
+</I>&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://www.kdenews.org/2009/07/14/growth-metrics-kde-contributors">http://www.kdenews.org/2009/07/14/growth-metrics-kde-contributors</A> ) or
+</I>&gt;<i> the 700 who contributed to 2.6.20 ( <A HREF="http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/">http://lwn.net/Articles/222773/</A> ),
+</I>&gt;<i> you see the number are not much different.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So while they may be small in term of market of users, they are the one
+</I>&gt;<i> who successfully attracted some of the biggest community of
+</I>&gt;<i> contributers.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> And attracting contributors is the key of the sustainability we should
+</I>&gt;<i> aim.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> My own opinion is that Canonical pay 5 people full time to take care of
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the community growth
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/">http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/07/26/the-five-horsemen/</A> ), and that's
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> the main reason for contribution from outsiders.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Tsk a badly dressed marketing team ;)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Nope.
+</I>&gt;<i> The team of Jono have been quite concerned with organisation ( see the
+</I>&gt;<i> various track at UDS ), they produced some code to help on various level
+</I>&gt;<i> ( acire, python-snippet ), wrote some documentations ( for the various
+</I>&gt;<i> community process ) and they also try to act as mediator ( see Jono
+</I>&gt;<i> book, chapter 9 ) when there is a conflict.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> This IMHO exceed the scope of a marketing team.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not denying that marketing to
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> bring in Code Contributors is a necessary thing and in fact we've already
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> identified this group as our initial, primary target market, however the fact
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> that Ubuntu is high profile out in the market place gives Jono and crew a hell
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of a lot more leverage to bring in new talent.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> They do not seem to attract so much new talent, if we look at the
+</I>&gt;<i> metrics I gave before. Or at least, they are not more successful that
+</I>&gt;<i> Fedora or Gentoo ( back in the day when Gentoo was all the rage, some
+</I>&gt;<i> years ago in 2005 ). Of course, they are more successful than we were in
+</I>&gt;<i> Mandriva, so that's not bad either.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> The same goes for
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> Fedora and Redhat
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> ( <A HREF="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture</A> )
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It's interesting that you point to that URL, I'm a big believer in the Biology
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> of Community that the Fedora guys talk about.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The principle idea behind it is that once a community reaches a critical mass
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> it becomes self sustaining, in the case of the Mageia community that would be
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the point where you could remove all of the founders from the mix and it would
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> keep going.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> To me that requires a whole community, it is a holistic beast. Yes you can
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> continue a community that rides on the coat tails of a single person or core
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> group but is it self sustaining.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Fedora has reached this point I think and would continue if RedHat was removed
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> from the equation.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Time may tell us sooner than we think.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Would Ubuntu continue without Shuttleworth and Canonical,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I'm not sure, but I reckon they are a long way toward it. OOo wasn't, but
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> LibreOffice has the opportunity to be. Debian, I don't know the community
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> well enough to comment.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There was a point were the Debian infrastructure was almost forked some
+</I>&gt;<i> years ago, according to a story I heard in Zurich ( but I do not have
+</I>&gt;<i> public source ). And there was also the old rumors of a Debian fork in
+</I>&gt;<i> 2003 ( <A HREF="http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/08/msg00389.html">http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/08/msg00389.html</A> ),
+</I>&gt;<i> which may have lead or be fueled by the creation of Ubuntu at that time.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> The point is that community goes right across the spectrum of users
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not enough of the community at the User end of the spectrum is as untenable as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> not enough at the Makers end. The trick is balance, that's what the Fedora
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> project has taught us
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then the balance decided by Fedora is not really in favor of people in
+</I>&gt;<i> the User end, if we look at this interview :
+</I>&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/">http://howsoftwareisbuilt.com/2008/12/21/interview-with-jeroen-van-meeuwen-fedora-project-vice-president-fedora-emea/</A>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Jeroen: One of the big, essential differences between Fedora and other
+</I>&gt;<i> distributions is that we&#8217;d rather gain one contributor than a dozen
+</I>&gt;<i> users. In fact, if I could lose 1000 users right now and gain a
+</I>&gt;<i> contributor, I&#8217;d do it. It&#8217;s not up to me, but if it were, I&#8217;d do it.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+Thanks Michael for this insightful post. I found most interesting the
+numbers of contributors working on different distros and as usual the
+call to attract more contributors to the Mageia project which I can tell
+you is finally sinking in with some of us.
+
+We are hearing you (contributors) and are listening.
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-20 08:46, Samuel Verschelde a &#233;crit :
+
+&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Yes, I agree, &quot;the trick is balance&quot;.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> +1 for wobo on this one :)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Samuel
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
++1 for me too. It's finding the right balance as you said. It would be a
+little interesting to find out what interests/ed the Mageia
+contributors. But this could maybe be more appropriate on the dev
+mailist. Maybe they would find such a question annoying. But from the
+people in marketing, it would probably help us in creating a marketing
+strategy towards dev interest.
+
+Marc
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+<PRE>Le 2010-10-20 15:49, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Den 2010-10-20 14:52:05 skrev Frederic Janssens:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Some remarks about the Mageia Code of Conduct proposal
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think the part
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &quot;Our community is made up of a number of individuals and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> organizations which can roughly be divided into two groups:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe above change &quot;divided into&quot; to &quot;seen as&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> (softer)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Contributors, or those who add value to the project through improving
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> distribution and any project from Mageia
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> users of Mageia&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Maybe add
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;Of course, users are encouraged to participate by helping other users on the
+</I>&gt;<i> forum, submit bug reports, translations, building on wiki, whatever they
+</I>&gt;<i> like... and thus contribute any way they like.&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Mmm something like that...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+You could also substitute &quot;divided into&quot; to &quot;comprised of&quot;. I agree also
+that the &quot;divided as&quot; brings up a negative feeling and should maybe be
+reconsidered.
+
+In my opinion I don't think that making a list of the types of support
+that a user could bring to the project would be necessary. Otherwise you
+would be constantly fielding requests to add a particular support
+category to the list. I think that the line:
+
+&quot;- Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as
+users of Mageia&quot;
+
+is adequate enough to most people. You will get fewer questions
+regarding this line than the list of user support categories.
+
+Marc
+
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+<PRE>Le mercredi 20 octobre 2010 &#224; 16:05 +0200, Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m a
+&#233;crit :
+&gt;<i> Right, but perhaps a video during the installation teaching them what
+</I>&gt;<i> they should know for future installations would help.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&quot;In this video we will show you how not to wipe out all your precious
+data when repatitioning a harddrive, so that newt time you are more
+cautious. Cheers from the team&quot;
+
+
+Providing educative material for beginners is a very good idea but ...
+ definitely not in an installer : installing an operating system is
+always a risky procedure : the unknowing user should be guided or
+informed BEFORE even inserting the installation media.
+Educationnal material should be available through manuals, tutorial
+videos, or better direct help from a more advanced user.
+
+Trying to adapt the interface of a crucial piece of software to
+educate newbies is a recipe for disaster :
+- there's not limit on the amout of things people may not know so you
+end up targeting people who know nothing and anyway will need help from
+someone else. The attempt looks like trying to design a pen for people
+who don't know yet how to write.
+- the dumbing down of the interface bears the risk of making the
+installer harder to use by knowlegeable users, who act based on accurate
+and technical information.
+
+One could argue for multi-level interface but you'll have to make
+assumptions about the categories of users you create : apart from the
+usual &quot;sensible_defaults/advanced&quot; modes you would have to encompass the
+whole spectrum from absolute newbie to expert sysadmin.
+
+I'm not advocating making a text-mode obscure installer, just that the
+installer has a precise function : installing a system based on
+unequivocal input from the user. Auto-detection of hardaware and
+sensible defaults make the process easier and faster for the most common
+cases, but you can't always avoid requesting more &quot;technical&quot; input from
+the user.
+
+Your idea of video is a good one : you could even extend it to
+interactive ones. A web app acting as an installation simulator/tutor
+could ease the process greatly for new users, with no risk for their
+system. They could at least, during that &quot;training session&quot;,be guided to
+gather the relevant data about their system and their configuration
+choices before doing the installation itself.
+
+IMHO separation of educationnal material from software interface make
+both better :
+- the educational material can be as verbose as necessary, adaptable to
+different kind of users.
+- the installer interface can do its job properly : provide accurate and
+effective data exchange between the user and the installer.
+
+Sorry for the long rant..;) I saw too many interfaces dumbed down to the
+point of being useless to everyone, newbies included.
+
+Cheers.
+
+
+
+
+
+
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+<PRE>Den 2010-10-20 22:11:36 skrev Marc Par&#233;:
+&gt;<i> In my opinion I don't think that making a list of the types of support
+</I>&gt;<i> that a user could bring to the project would be necessary.
+</I>
+We can never make a complete list, but give ideas.
+
+&gt;<i> Otherwise you
+</I>&gt;<i> would be constantly fielding requests to add a particular support
+</I>&gt;<i> category to the list. I think that the line:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> &quot;- Users, or those who add value to the project through their support as
+</I>&gt;<i> users of Mageia&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> is adequate enough to most people.
+</I>
+But it is not as mind-catching
+
+Of course anything &quot;add value through support&quot;
+
+&gt;<i> You will get fewer questions
+</I>&gt;<i> regarding this line than the list of user support categories.
+</I>
+But also less &quot;aha I know what i can do to help&quot; reactions.
+
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+ <B>George J. Walsh</B>
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+<PRE>On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:11 -0400, Marc Par&#233; wrote:
+&gt;<i> Le 2010-10-20 15:49, Morgan Leijstr&#246;m a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt; Den 2010-10-20 14:52:05 skrev Frederic Janssens:
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Some remarks about the Mageia Code of Conduct proposal
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; <A HREF="http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct">http://mageia.org/wiki/doku.php?id=codeofconduct</A>
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; I think the part
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &quot;Our community is made up of a number of individuals and
+</I>&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; organizations which can roughly be divided into two groups:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You could also substitute &quot;divided into&quot; to &quot;comprised of&quot;. I agree also
+</I>&gt;<i> that the &quot;divided as&quot; brings up a negative feeling and should maybe be
+</I>&gt;<i> reconsidered.
+</I>
+Excellent word-smithing there, Marc.
+
+Your use of the phrase 'comprised of' implies a broader and more 'open'
+inclusion, as opposed to a more rigidly narrow definition which, as you
+have also pointed out is conflict-promoting with negative overtones.
+Surely not what we are wanting to do.
+
+Bravo ...
+
+George
+
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+<PRE>On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:59 +0100, Catalin Florin RUSSEN wrote:
+&gt;<i> Yeah, why not. One swiss knife distro: 1 DVD that allows you to install via the
+</I>&gt;<i> meta-tasks the config you like (Desktop, Laptop, Netbook, Gaming, Server...).
+</I>&gt;<i> Great, I like this ideea.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Best regards,
+</I>&gt;<i> Florin
+</I>
+Count my little group in on this approach too.
+
+George
+
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> ----- Original Message ----
+</I>&gt;<i> From: Wolfgang Bornath &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">molch.b at googlemail.com</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> To: <A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>; Mageia general discussions &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">mageia-discuss at mageia.org</A>&gt;
+</I>&gt;<i> Sent: Wed, 20 October, 2010 17:22:25
+</I>&gt;<i> Subject: Re: [Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 1. At Mandriva we already had different ISOs for 32- and 64-bit, which
+</I>&gt;<i> we should do as well. So this question about the arch during
+</I>&gt;<i> installation is obsolete.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> 2. A difference between desktop/laptop/mobile should be on &quot;task&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> level like the meta-task scripts we had at Mandriva. I don't think
+</I>&gt;<i> there should be a real special distribution for any purpose. There are
+</I>&gt;<i> special Mandriva editions f&#252;r netbooks (meego), for machines with
+</I>&gt;<i> poor ressources (LXDE Edition), etc. Such special editions used to be
+</I>&gt;<i> created by groups inside the community, we can do it likewise.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> So, my vote goes to the &quot;one Mageia edition&quot; solution with room for
+</I>&gt;<i> any other special enhancements to be created by community groups like
+</I>&gt;<i> the XFCE group, the LXDE group (MUD), the Meego group, etc. At least
+</I>&gt;<i> for the start. If we have the ressources and if there is a demand for
+</I>&gt;<i> such special editions we can see to that later after the main
+</I>&gt;<i> distribution is rolling.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> BTW: &quot;Mobile Linux&quot; for mobile phones is Android and I don't think
+</I>&gt;<i> anyone could beat that on the market. We should not bother with that.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2010/10/20 Marc Par&#233; &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">marc at marcpare.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You could also substitute &quot;divided into&quot; to &quot;comprised of&quot;. I agree also
+</I>&gt;<i> that the &quot;divided as&quot; brings up a negative feeling and should maybe be
+</I>&gt;<i> reconsidered.
+</I>
+Hmm, there I stand as a non-native english speaker. :)
+We (German crowd) translated the document using the old translation
+for Mandriva. In German we used the expression &quot;zusammengesetzt&quot; which
+means &quot;comprised of&quot; because that's how we interpreted this sentence.
+:<i>)
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+
+<LI><A HREF="002530.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="2530">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wolfgang Bornath
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002526.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2526">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>David Coulette
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002513.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2513">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Dubeau, Patrick
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002489.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2489">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Gustavo Giampaoli
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002517.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2517">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frank Griffin
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002505.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2505">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002507.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2507">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002512.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2512">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002514.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2514">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kristoffer Grundstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002500.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="2500">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Frederic Janssens
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002492.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement
+</A><A NAME="2492">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002516.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2516">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Kira
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002488.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2488">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002490.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2490">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Graham Lauder
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002522.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="2522">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002527.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="2527">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Morgan Leijstr&#246;m
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002494.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese,
+</A><A NAME="2494">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>MacXi
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002523.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2523">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002524.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2524">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002525.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="2525">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Marc Par&#233;
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002491.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement
+</A><A NAME="2491">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002515.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2515">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2520">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Catalin Florin RUSSEN
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002508.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="2508">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Wayne Sallee
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002495.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2495">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002503.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2503">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002510.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="2510">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Michael Scherer
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002499.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2499">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002506.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2506">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002511.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2511">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Tux99
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002493.html">[Mageia-discuss] Positive Reinforcement
+</A><A NAME="2493">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002498.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection
+</A><A NAME="2498">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002509.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="2509">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>Samuel Verschelde
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002528.html">[Mageia-discuss] about the Mageia Code of Conduct
+</A><A NAME="2528">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>George J. Walsh
+</I>
+
+<LI><A HREF="002529.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions
+</A><A NAME="2529">&nbsp;</A>
+<I>George J. Walsh
+</I>
+
+