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Hodgins a écrit : +><i> On Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:52:01 -0400, Michael Scherer <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>> wrote: +</I>><i> +</I>><i> > The patch arguent is invalid, because people can also send mail, like +</I>><i> > "here is a better description of package $FOO because I didn't +</I>><i> > understood the current one and I wanted to help". +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Take a look at <A HREF="https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=45605">https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=45605</A> +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I am not a c programmer, but due to my background, working with +</I>><i> mainframes, and what I have learned on my own, I can sometimes +</I>><i> figure out not only what the problem is, but how to fix it. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't know anything about patch files, or the relationship +</I>><i> between packagers, and developers within Mandriva. I was quite +</I>><i> surprised by Matthias's response. From the context, I gather +</I>><i> Matthias, is the upstream developer, and Pacho was the Mandriva +</I>><i> packager, but given the the fact Mandriva is a company, that +</I>><i> appeared to be annoying the actual developer, I chose not to +</I>><i> follow up on the bug. The bug is still there in 2010.1, so I +</I>><i> use my own version, that contains the fix I suggested. +</I> +Well, there is a few misunderstanding. + +1) Mandriva is a company, but this is also a community. +Pacho is not the packager, pacho is a member of the triage team. He was +not paid by Mandriva ( hence the lack of star near his name, but this +was not obvious at all ). + +2) as a distribution with volunteer packagers, there is part of the +distro that no one take care of. Leafnode, unfortunatly, is such as +package. I will not say anything new when I seay that NNTP is no longer +all the rage nowadays, and that's unfortunatly mean there is less +interest into taking care of this. + +3) As I said in the past, reporting a bug is nice, but that's not were +the current bottleneck lies, it is on fixing the bug. It is unfortunate +that we didn't really took more attention to bugs with a suggested fix, +because that's something that really should be fixed in priority, as +someone did the effort of not only finding it, but also did the best he +could do to get it fixed. And so I think it deserve a special +attention. + +><i> My personality is such that I actually derive pleasure from +</I>><i> solving problems. I hate getting involved in company style +</I>><i> "politics", so I became self employed, prior to retiring, +</I>><i> and only worked on a contract basis, to solve that problem. +</I> +Well, there was no politics, there was just a shortage of manpower, like +many free software project. + +><i> Even with my background, I did not feel comfortable making +</I>><i> suggestions (for what I expect the developer/packager would +</I>><i> consider cosmetic changes), to things like package descriptions. +</I>><i> I know how to search to find the packages, that will do what +</I>><i> I want, even if the descriptions in the rpm package are not +</I>><i> well written, but most users don't have that ability. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Yes, people can send email, or file bug reports, if they can figure +</I>><i> out who to send them to, and felt the feedback would be appreciated. +</I>><i> Most people will not. Without a better understanding of who actually +</I>><i> writes the descriptions in the packages, I would not either. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I'm hoping Mageia will make it easier for people like myself +</I>><i> to not only contact the developer/packager, but also make it +</I>><i> feel like such contact is desired. +</I> +Well, if we look rationally, a company where employees use a public +bugtracker and a public mailling list and public irc channel is already +more engaging than my own experience for bugs with Microsoft or Apple. + +But indeed, you need to be aware of those to understand the difference. + +What is missing is the realization that some people were not paid by +Mandriva at all. There is a community around it ( ie, most people using +a @mandriva.org address to post on cooker ). People that started like +you. + +That's unfortunate that people still do not know this, but I guess +that's solely our own fault as a community that we didn't expose more +ourself, +by posting blog posts, by saying it loud, by having a visible community +presence at FOSDEM and other related events ( or by giving interview +just to say that ). + +But I think that if people knew that there is collaboration between +employee and non-employee, they would have feel more welcome. And from +what I read, you didn't know, so you were cautious, which seemed +natural. That's our fault, and that's something we tried to fix with +assembly ( without much sucess on the first try ), something I tried to +fix by being present at every possible free software fair ( without much +success too ) + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002596.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002613.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2602">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2602">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2602">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2602">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |