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I am guessing this is a "compiled-v-interpreted" thing. No +</I>><i> matter how much faster is the PC I use, rpmdrake always seems to be +</I>><i> slower than I would like/expect. That, of course, is where urpmi is most +</I>><i> certainly your friend being many many times faster to get going - +</I>><i> provided I already know the name of what I want to install. +</I> +No, if you are talking about rpmdrake, you should compare it to synaptic. +I you want to talk about apt (be it apt-get or aptitude), you should compare +it to urpmi, and urpmi (in my opinion) is not slow. + +><i> > Nope, the problem is not linked to rpm or deb. If a library is needed, +</I>><i> > it is needed, that's simple. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > A system like emerge or macports ( macports is also in contribs, afaik +</I>><i> > ) may however reduce the required dependency, depending on the +</I>><i> > software. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I sense a tendency in your response to the same confusion I am suffering +</I>><i> from. On the one hand I find it easy to imagine that the packager is in +</I>><i> total control of what a package regards as a "dependency" but on the +</I>><i> other hand I must accept that your comment on macports may also be true. +</I>><i> I do not know yet how to reconcile these apparent contradictions and I +</I>><i> am really hoping I don't have to become the master of package management +</I>><i> on all conceivable platforms before I can understand enough of this to +</I>><i> make sense of it. +</I> +emerge and macports are source-based "packet" managers. +As the programs are compiled when you want to install them, you can decide +to exclude some optional, compile-time functionality, and avoid their +dependencies. +In pre-compiled packets (like rpm or deb), the packager decided what should +be compiled, and so what are the required dependencies. +You still have the option to get the source package and tweak it (via the +spec file for rpm, or rule for deb) to exclude some things you don't +require. (but you will need to do it again each time an update is available) + +><i> I can fully grasp the concept that the structure of a package (rpm or +</I>><i> deb) is not relevant to the program's requirement for one or more +</I>><i> libraries, but I do not understand by what mechanism "nice to haves" are +</I>><i> included as "must haves". Is it likely to be simply a packager's +</I>><i> oversight or perhaps do some package types not enable the distinction to +</I>><i> be made? If the latter, and rpms are of this type, then is ther a +</I>><i> package type which does support the distinction? +</I> +Packages have dependencies, those are interpreted as "this package cannot +work without those". +You can also have less strict recommendations, deb has provided for long +recommended packages (not really required, but a must have) and suggested +packages (is an interesting addition, but nothing essential). +Rpm also provide such a mechanism (though I think is younger than deb) with +the suggested packages. +Urpmi take the suggested packages into account, when installing it will by +default selected also the suggested packages, but you can add the --no- +suggests option to avoid this. +On the urpme side, if you uninstall a package that was installed as a +suggestion, it won't trigger the uninstallation of the package that +suggested it. + +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="001518.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="001520.html">[Mageia-discuss] Package management system +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#1514">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#1514">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#1514">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#1514">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |