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Walsh<<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">gjwalsh at dscvcp.org</A>>: +</I>><i> +</I>>><i> On Tue, 2010-10-26 at 10:30 -0400, Marc Paré wrote: +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Le 2010-10-26 10:23, Dale Huckeby a écrit : +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> On Tue, 26 Oct 2010, Kira wrote: +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> 在 Tue, 26 Oct 2010 20:22:08 +0800, Frank Griffin +</I>>>>>><i> <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">ftg at roadrunner.com</A>>寫道: +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> The correct way to do this is not a drop-down allowing a single choice. +</I>>>>>>><i> It's a set of toggles for things like "hide background library +</I>>>>>>><i> packages", "hide language-specific packages for uninstalled languages", +</I>>>>>>><i> and so forth, with these things initially checked by default. You could +</I>>>>>>><i> even have a "hide non-graphical packages" toggle - just don't have it +</I>>>>>>><i> checked by default. Also, give the toggles their own menubar entry, +</I>>>>>>><i> e.g. "View". +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>>><i> I second this idea. +</I>>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> I third it. +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>>><i> Dale Huckeby +</I>>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Sounds good to me too! +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I fourth it. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> Marc +</I>>>><i> +</I>>><i> One word of support comes to mind for this one: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Essential +</I>>><i> +</I>><i> The problem is: +</I>><i> If you hide too much ("Programs with GUI") the forums are crowded with +</I>><i> threads like +</I>><i> - "Install foo from the MCC" +</I>><i> - "I can't find it in the software management" +</I>><i> - "Did you set your media?" +</I>><i> - "Yes, foo is not there." +</I>><i> - "Did you change view to 'All'?" +</I>><i> - "Ah! Now I see it - very confusing!" +</I>><i> There were times when such postings were more than 10 per month! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> If you hide too few like "All" the unexperienced user is confused. He +</I>><i> will be surely confused by a list of options he hasn't any clue what +</I>><i> they mean. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> A solution could be to +</I>><i> 1. hide everything but the application packages (no matter if GUI or CLI) +</I>><i> 2. Insert such a list of options but give it an "expert" tag. +</I>><i> 3. The most important: make a search result visible also if the result +</I>><i> is something which would be hidden otherwise. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Example: +</I>><i> gstreamer-plugin-devel (don't care about the name) would be hidden in +</I>><i> standard view. But if the user writes "gstreamer" into the search +</I>><i> field it shouold be displayed in the search result view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> This way we could even keep the current order with "programs with gui" +</I>><i> as default. When the user no searches for 'mc' he will see it in the +</I>><i> list of search results, although 'mc' would not be displayed in +</I>><i> "Programs with GUI" view. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Does anybody understand what I wrote? Can't explain it in better words. :) +</I>><i> +</I> +Seems clear to me. That's a workable approach. +However, I'd prefer something a little different. + +If the packages are displayed by category, libraries are mostly already +separated, so they don't pose a problem. (But my approach would work +with them as well.) + +Localisations could be grouped in a folding entry (much like +subdirectories in the Nautilus file browser), openable with a click to +see all the localisations. Thus avoiding seeing more than one such line +except when one wishes to access localisation packages. +The idea to only display localisations installed is good. They could +also be displayed separately from folded non-installed localisations. + +We could even have a global option to display/install only certain +localisations. +This could be used not only for separate packages, but to avoid +installing localisation files inside a package that one has no intention +of using, thus reducing a lot of clutter - and wasted disk space. +(Personally, I don't need anything more than the various French and +English localisations.) +This alone would be a very good idea. + +Subsidiary packages associated with a particular application could also +be folded into one line by default, as well. + +With this approach, we won't need a "hide everything but the application +packages" option, as that is essentially what would appear by default. +"Experts" need only expand the folded lines to see all the hidden packages. + +Also, we could have more than 2 levels if we find in useful in the +future, for more finely tuning the display. +Note that in the Microsoft environment, this approach has been used for +the installation of many application suites. WordPerfect suite comes to +mind. (More than 10 years ago ;) ) + +In any case, Rpmdrake needs to be enhanced. + +my 2 cents :) + +- André +</PRE> + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002700.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002693.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia-discuss Digest, Vol 2, Issue 119 Package descriptions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2703">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2703">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2703">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2703">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |