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All too rare +</I>><i> sometimes I think. An RFP or spec often gets written with no +</I>><i> consideration other than scratching the Writers itch and the problems +</I>><i> start. However that's another treatise entirely! :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> The point is that sometimes it's better to step back and say "OK, this +</I>><i> isn't my field, let the guys whose field it is get on with it." Let me +</I>><i> stress however the sometimes and definitely not always. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Now in the Mageia Marketing group we have Teachers with deep pedagogical +</I>><i> knowledge, we have Marketers and Communications people who are bloody +</I>><i> good at what they do, who have been involved in marketing FOSS projects +</I>><i> for years right up to and including a PHD in FOSS marketing. I hold it +</I>><i> up as a huge privilege to work with this group of excellent people, and +</I>><i> guess what, we are a community, a community with a shared goal, to +</I>><i> market Mageia in the best way we know how. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I look to the Founders, I look at our Marketing team and I look at the +</I>><i> wider contributing community and I seriously believe that if Redmond +</I>><i> isn't quaking in it's boots it should be. +</I> +I am certainly in no position to give advices to the marketing team, and I +trust them in making a good job, as long as it doesn't dictate too much how +the development should be headed. + +Obviously, marketing and developers teams will have to communicate a lot. +The marketing guys telling to the devs which features are really needed to +have a wider audience, and the devs showing the marketing guys the great +features they are working on so that they can integrate it in their +communication. + +cheers +-- +Renaud Michel +</PRE> + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002457.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002458.html">[Mageia-discuss] translation of the FAQ from English to Portuguese, +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2467">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2467">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2467">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2467">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |