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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+<PRE>2012/2/8 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> Le mercredi 08 f&#233;vrier 2012 &#224; 14:02 +0100, Wolfgang Bornath a &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> 2012/2/8 Michael Scherer &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">misc at zarb.org</A>&gt;:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Le mercredi 08 f&#233;vrier 2012 &#224; 08:47 -0300, Renaud (Ron) Olgiati a
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; &#233;crit :
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; On Wednesday 08 Feb 2012 08:37 my mailbox was graced by a message from Claire
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Robinson who wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; I ended up installing Mageia 1 on his box, but I wonder why does the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; distribution allow the user to potentially hose his system, when it
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; requires the root password to install a prog ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; &gt; Would it not make more sense to ask for the root password for the updates?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; It is configurable in MCC. You can find it under Security =&gt; Configure
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; authentication for Mageia Tools.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; &gt; Just select root for Update.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; Brilliant, thanks.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;&gt; But would it not make more sense to have the default changed to root ?
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; That totally miss the point, which is that a upgrade hosed the system.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &gt; Would requiring the root password have changed that ? I doubt.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> No. What you are pointing at (the breakage of the system) is a matter
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> to be looked at.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> In fact, the breakage is not our call, since this is on Mandriva.
+</I>
+May be, may be not - depends on the reasons why this upgrade went bad.
+Pls remove the blinds.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> But the point you are missing is the security breakage. &#160;If a user
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> does not have the root password then there is a reason for that and he
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> is probably working in an environment where only dedicated people have
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the permission to do system management and it is their task to do
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> updates.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> Then in such environment, the sysadmin will set it so only him can do
+</I>&gt;<i> update. If there is a admin, we should assume that he know what to do,
+</I>&gt;<i> and restrict it accordingly, using the tools as explained by Claire.
+</I>
+No, it has been different for years and everybody was happy with the
+setup except those who are too lazy using passwords at all.
+
+&gt;&gt;<i> A private user who is on his own usually has the root
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> password. So your point of missing security updates because of 2
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> passwords is not valid.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> What part of &quot;having to keep 2 password is more complex than having one&quot;
+</I>&gt;<i> is wrong ? I have seen lots of people even asking to remove all
+</I>&gt;<i> passwords since they do not care, so having 2 just worst.
+</I>
+Yes, I have seen postings like &quot;why do I have to use passwords&quot; and
+&quot;why can I not log in KDE as root&quot; more than once. Are these people
+our target group? If so than - have fun! What strikes me is that you
+of all people are advocating a loosening of security with no real
+reason.
+
+--
+wobo
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