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This is where the +</I>><i> descriptions are missing completely although they are available in the +</I>><i> packages! +</I>><i> +</I>><i> So, here the task is to include the descriptions in the installer and +</I>><i> providing the translations as in rpmdrake. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As we can see most parts of the package description issue are not +</I>><i> related to packagers, rather to developpers of rpmdrake and the +</I>><i> installer - and to the translators, of course. +</I> +To the defense of the drakx developpers, I do not think that choosing in +the installer is really a so good idea : + +- during installation, you do not have web access. Thus, you will have a +hardtime to really find information on what does a software. If you use +rpmdrake, you can ask to friend, ask on forum, ask on a search engine. + +- during installation, you do nothing except looking at installation. +That's fine, but IMHO, it is better to have a fast installation, and +later be able to listen to music, etc, while installing software. + +- looking at software in drakx or in rpmdrake will likely take the same +time. If you take 1h to select rpm in drakx, you will likely spend 1h in +rpmdrake. The computing is taking less time that the human mind to +decide. Of course, people will perceive differently ( ie they will feel +the installation is incomplete if they need to do thing after the first +boot, even if they have to do the exact same task taking the exact same +time in drakx and rpmdrake ), but then that's just a perception. +Unfortunately, perception is what count more than reality. + +So why don't we have this description. I am not sure about this, but I +think drakx use synthesis hdlists, ie a shorter version oof the packages +index. And parsing description is one of the reason rpmdrake is spending +time at startup. Synthesis is 750 k big, hdlist is 46 m big. There is a +huge gap. This would take place on the cd, this take place in memory, +and this make drakx be slower when solving dependency ( even if I do not +know how much slower it would be, maybe that's negligible with nowadays +computer ). + +Then, in order to accelerate the installation for the people who do not +select package one by one at install time ( that's IMHO the common use +case of drakx ), part of the confort of those that does was sacrified, +mainly because this feature is aimed to advanced users more than new +users discovering Linux ( who would and should take the easiest road of +keeping default selection ). + +I think drakx could implement the required behavior, but I do not think +it would come with problem by itself. And so, we need to evaluate the +rpos and cons of the change ( and as I said, I think the current +situation is better for a majority of users ). + + +Finally, in order to mitigate the issue, I would propose to add a +warning or a label saying "this is for advanced users, we suggest you to +do the customization after installation, as we would be able to show +more informations about packages". This would not solve anything for +people who still want to do it in drakx, of course, but at least, it +will explain how to have a better experience for the new user. I am not +sure if we should add explanation about why it is like this ( maybe too +technical ). + + + +-- +Michael Scherer + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002660.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002663.html">[Mageia-discuss] Suggestions +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2662">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2662">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2662">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2662">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |