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[Was: forking mandriva]</H1> + <B>Per Øyvind Karlsen</B> + <A HREF="mailto:mageia-discuss%40mageia.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BMageia-discuss%5D%20%5BCooker%5D%20Re%3A%20Transparency%20%26%20open%20invitation%20to%0A%20a%20united%20foundation..%3F%20%5BWas%3A%20forking%20mandriva%5D&In-Reply-To=%3CAANLkTikMXT9A_cgUF-LFjH%2B%2BAP%3DbL%2BOxMws-9hmfwoTQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E" + TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva]">peroyvind at mandriva.org + </A><BR> + <I>Tue Sep 21 21:49:41 CEST 2010</I> + <P><UL> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - спасибо +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#564">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#564">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#564">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#564">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + <HR> +<!--beginarticle--> +<PRE>2010/9/21 Gustavo Ariel Giampaoli <<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">giampaoli.gustavo at gmail.com</A>>: +>><i> As a sign of good faith, they could maintain the primary servers and their related +</I>>><i> bandwidth.  Heck, if a foundation is established, it's a win-win for everybody. +</I>>><i> They save money by having what were paid staff now volunteering, and the +</I>>><i> community saves the expense of server farm hardware and rackspace and monthly +</I>>><i> bandwidth costs. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Your thoughts? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> You will leave your newborn in the "hands" of the same company whose +</I>><i> lack of direction caused this situation? +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Maybe I'm a "little" paranoid, but i think we should listen +</I>><i> ex-employes / developers. They know the sh*t from the very inside. +</I>Ah, yes, two ex-employees / developers which were actively involved +with the development of the distribution over so many years.. Uh, oh, +wait, no they weren't. +I'm questioning whether they actually grasp all of the work required +to put together a distribution. I also find it odd when I see +statements from them on IRC which seems to be in conflict with others +involved with this that they intend on going in a different direction +independent of Mandriva. With all the people being brought aboard with +Mageia from the Mandriva Linux community, I find it hard to believe +that there has been established a consensus about this with all of the +people involved and that they really want to do everything on their +own and not care about keeping relations or anything with what they've +been involved with on actual community basis and over longer times +than either of these two.. +Are you guys *really* planning on doing the whole distribution on your +own totally independent of Mandriva without any interest of +collaborating? + +To me, these responses of Romain and Nicolas seems to confirm all the +questions I raised earlier in this thread, suggesting that the fork +and their motivations are personal and not out of concern and care for +the community, despite these motivations officially given. I guess +there's a reason for why they avoided these critical questions raised +towards them, and rather chose to attack constructive attempts at +doing what's in the best interest of the community in stead. + +But sure, I've only been actively involved with the development of +this *community* distribution and on several other levels for a decade +now, being amongst those involved for the longest time, while also +being an ex-employee myself, I've primarily been active through the +community independent of my employment nor imposing personal feelings +towards company on the community. And I can also truly claim that I +have an absolute full understanding of all the work an complexity +involved in putting together the whole distribution and put tons of +more hours into this on my sparetime and out of interest for +contributing to the community, making me quite aware of the fact that +you'll have a pretty darn hard time doing this and organizing the +whole thing on your own. +In all these claims about this being a community project and it being +independent off people's employment and all, would you really find +disgruntled ex-employees which has only been involved in this project +through employment as the most trustworthy characters? How much time +do they actually plan to invest themself into this project on their +sparetime now that they're not employed by Mandriva? + +I can't really start telling how provoked I am over seeing this +childish and truly community hostile attitude, or about the claims +about through the liquidation of Edge-IT all of the talents and +important people involved in development of the distribution +disappearing, guess what, the majority of the staff working on the +distribution for quite some time has actually been employed at +Conectiva, not Edge-IT! + +But certainly, attention to actual details were never given much +importance, were they..? Or were the people at Conectiva just +considered less worth and not of any importance to the development of +the distribution at all..? + +-- +Regards, +Per Øyvind +</PRE> + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="000544.html">[Mageia-discuss] [Cooker] Re: Transparency & open invitation to a united foundation..? [Was: forking mandriva] +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="000548.html">[Mageia-discuss] Thank you - Merci - Danke - Gracias - Grazie - Obrigado - спасибо +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#564">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#564">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#564">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#564">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |