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+ <B>Wolfgang Bornath</B>
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+ <I>Wed Jan 4 19:12:49 CET 2012</I>
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+<PRE>2012/1/4 Claire Robinson &lt;<A HREF="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">eeeemail at gmail.com</A>&gt;:
+&gt;<i> On 04/01/12 17:04, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Hello,
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Not sure I'm missing something, but when there's a software upgrade
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> available (either in rpmdrake, or in the update manager), say today's
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Pidgin:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Version : 2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; Version actuellement install&#233;e : 2.10.0-1.1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> the changelog doesn't display specifically the changes for that update:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;* dim. 11 d&#233;c. 2011 13:00:00 CET fwang&lt;fwang&gt; &#160;2.10.1-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; + Revision: 180554
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; - new version 2.10.1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; fix CVE-2011-3594: UTF-8 validating incoming messages before
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;passing them to glib or libpurple Fix a memory leak when
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;admitting UTF-8 text with a non-UTF-8 primary encoding Fix
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;crashes and memory leaks when receiving malformed voice and
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160;video requests
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; + dmorgan&lt;dmorgan&gt;
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; - New version 2.10.0
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; * mar. 29 mars 2011 14:00:00 CEST dams&lt;dams&gt; &#160;2.7.11-1.mga1
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> &#160; &#160; &#160; &#160; [etc.]
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> How am I supposed to know what changed between 2.10.0-1.1.mga1 (the
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> installed version) and 2.10.1-1.mga1 (the proposed upgrade)? This
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> happens with many/most packages, btw, not just Pidgin.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (would be useful, wouldn't it ? :-))
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thanks
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Antoine.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> There is a more detailed advisory written for each update but it currently
+</I>&gt;<i> isn't shown in MageiaUpdate.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> You can subscribe to the Updates Announce mailing list
+</I>
+This is surely an option for the experienced user, as are the other
+options you show.
+
+But what about the average (even unexperienced or new) users? You
+would not suggest to them to join a mailing list to be able to know
+what an update of a package will change in his system? Imagine the
+poor guy, getting 20+ packages for update and now trying to find them
+one by one in the mailing list. This way you educate them to stop
+caring about changes, just do the update.
+
+OTOH if the updates are displayed by the update system in order by
+their reason for update (security first, then bug fix, then version
+upgrade (which we seldomly do)) and a click on the package reveils the
+details, you will educate them to become curious and interested -
+can't remember which distro I saw that, maybe suse or ubuntu.
+
+I know that this means work, it's a reasonable suggestion nevertheless.
+
+--
+wobo
+</PRE>
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