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Of course, we +</I>><i> could do like Canonical and just pretend laws do not exist : +</I>><i> <A HREF="http://fasmz.org/~pterjan/blog/?date=20090423">http://fasmz.org/~pterjan/blog/?date=20090423</A> , s this clearly annoy +</I>><i> users... +</I>><i> +</I>Here's how I understand the argument. There are three scenarios: +1-Software is licensed to allow distribution. +2-Software license specirfically prohibits distribution. +3-Software license is undetermined. + +So this means that: +1-OK. Distribute if possible per the terms of the license. +2-Software should not be distributed. Interested parties in the +community may work towards a license change if they desire. +3-It's the responsibiltyof the copyright holder to enforce their +rights. Group A says that all such sofware should not be distributed +until license staus can be determined. Group B says to distribute +software until copyright holder complains; no complaint equals implied +permission to distribute. Again, interested parties in the community +may work towards a license change if they desire. + +All those arguments are separate from "just works" for the Mageia +user. The people with solid Linux expertise (such as those that lead +the Mageia community) are aware of license issues for software, are +aware of those hardware devices that are not supported (for various +reasons) under Linux and make their decisions accordingly. They +understand why some hardware doesn't "just work". They check before +they purchase or they write their own software to make teh hardware +work. + +The rest of the universe of Linux users are unaware of such issues or +don't care (not everyone can be RMS). They want Mageia to "just work". +They will blame Mageia, not the hardware manufacturer, not the +software copyright holder, not Linus Torvalds, not Richard Stallman +nor Ubuntu/Canonical/Shuttleworth. + +What makes the situation worse is that Ubuntu blatantly rejects a +"pure", follow-the-license-strictly approach in order to provide their +version of "just works". That makes everybody else look bad and puts +an unjust burden on those who follow a stricter guideline who must +bear the brunt of undeserved criticsm. + +The question is how will Mageia balance the need for "just works" with +the desire to honor copyrights and engage only in legal software +distribution? This is made more complex because those rights and +copyright laws are not equal everywhere in the world. + +I would support a stricter interpretation of the distribution of those +softwares when coupled with improved education of the user. In my +opinion, Canonical is doing the larger community a disservice. + +-- +Hoyt +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="004590.html">[Mageia-discuss] Hauppauge WinTV PVR-250 +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="004593.html">[Mageia-discuss] No USB with VirtualBox on Mageia? +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#4617">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#4617">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#4617">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#4617">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |