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In these days of online build services there is +</I>>>><i> arguably no reason that we could not create different package sets on +</I>>>><i> different media for different markets and completely different branding +</I>>>><i> for each set. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> oh but there is... +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> developer base, testers, QA, Mirroring infra. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> simply rebuilding a package does not mean that it actually works. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Fair comment and as I said It is outside my area of expertise so while I see +</I>><i> it as desirable at the end of the day there aren't the resources then shelve +</I>><i> the idea +</I>><i> +</I> +Of course we can set up some task-* packages to make it easier to +install a specific segment too... time will tell... + +>><i> +</I>>>><i> How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number +</I>>>><i> of computer users and you will see that the "one size fits all" does not +</I>>>><i> equal significant market share. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> OpenOffice.org user base is estimated to be around 100 million, the vast +</I>>>><i> majority (around 90%) on an MS platform even though linux distros get it +</I>>>><i> by default. OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious +</I>>>><i> reasons, it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of +</I>>>><i> reliability and efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo +</I>>>><i> design is aimed at a 30 to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in +</I>>>><i> this group and to whom "Gulls" = Freedom. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> As far as we can tell, OOo out performs MSO 2003, 2007 and 2010 combined +</I>>>><i> outside of educational institutions, but still is nowhere near the +</I>>>><i> combined user base of the MSO 97/2000/XP group. This penetration is +</I>>>><i> down to marketing on a shoestring, the OOo marketing project is the most +</I>>>><i> active, marketing group in the FOSS world other than RedHat, Ubuntu and +</I>>>><i> Mozilla, most of whom are paid and have a budget. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Ignoring the Linux userbase for now, OpenOffice usage on MS side is +</I>>><i> chosen on three merits: +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> 1. its free (economy) +</I>>><i> 2. it works as intended (need) +</I>>><i> 3. its open source (ideology) +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> And the two first ones are the biggest reason obviously. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> All true, but without people pumping out press releases, hammering the social +</I>><i> media, attending events, getting it onto Magazine cds, running campaigns and +</I>><i> all that unpopular marketing stuff, those people wouldn't have known that they +</I>><i> had a choice. We have pushed it the point now where MS are actively +</I>><i> campaigning against us, it's brilliant, it means we're hurting them. +</I>><i> +</I> +Yep. Very true. + +><i> +</I>>><i> +</I>>>><i> We do not work on voodoo, we work on science with measurable results. I +</I>>>><i> don't dismiss your code as crap because I am not a hacker. Don't +</I>>>><i> dismiss what I say as nonsense without logical and reasoned argument to +</I>>>><i> back it up. Your "feelings" don't count as a logical counter argument. +</I>>>><i> +</I>>>><i> I don't "fear", I _know_ from experience and research that a "One Size +</I>>>><i> Fits All" Product and marketing campaign will go nowhere. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yeah, we can never please all, thats true, but we must also be careful +</I>>><i> to not be "too narrow" as it also "kills" the product +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Here I respectfully disagree, it kills the product in certain market segments, +</I>><i> certainly +</I>><i> +</I> +Yeah, I'm not sure I want to kill a market segment just because I target +another userbase. + +but the "too narrow" is quite diffuse, so we'll see where we end up... + + +>><i> +</I>>>><i> As an addendum to that I would ask the question, The Zero to dead, male +</I>>>><i> and female market group, and I presume all nationalities and all +</I>>>><i> religions and all social groupings and all job types and all locations +</I>>>><i> and localities, young, old teenaged and middleaged, technologically +</I>>>><i> educated and illiterate. How would you present Mageia to all these +</I>>>><i> vastly different groups of people? +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Its Linux! Anything anywhere! Whatever you need, we got it! :) +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Heh, that's the point, it's not Linux, it's Mageia, if it was only about linux +</I>><i> there would be no point, there's plenty of Linux out there already +</I>><i> +</I> +Yeah, thats also the "problem", we always get into "Its Linux/FOSS", +"others can do, so why cant you" kind of arguments with users, so its a +fine line to walk... + +>><i> +</I>>>><i> Wouldn't it be more sensible to say: "This group of people could +</I>>>><i> materially benefit from using Mageia as their preferred Technology +</I>>>><i> platform, let's communicate with them in a way that they can relate to." +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> Yep. as long as it's not driven to a point where we offend/repel parts +</I>>><i> of the community. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I think you miss the point here, this statement applies to any predefined +</I>><i> group, that could be developers, why should communicating with one group +</I>><i> alienate another. All I'm saying is that we need to communicate and we need +</I>><i> to shape that communication to the particular audience. +</I>><i> +</I> +Problem is that if we push too hard on a "This group of people could +benefit..." it often turns into "Its only for 'This group of people'", +you better use ... + +Do we really want that? + +>><i> +</I>>><i> Remember, Mageia _is_ a Community distribution. +</I>>><i> +</I>>><i> -- +</I>>><i> Thomas +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Indeed +</I>><i> +</I>><i> Cheers +</I>><i> GL +</I> +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002389.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2387">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2387">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2387">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2387">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |