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In these days of online build services there is +</I>><i> arguably no reason that we could not create different package sets on +</I>><i> different media for different markets and completely different branding for +</I>><i> each set. +</I> +oh but there is... + +developer base, testers, QA, Mirroring infra. + +simply rebuilding a package does not mean that it actually works. + +><i> +</I>><i> How many users does Mandriva have worldwide, compare that to the number of +</I>><i> computer users and you will see that the "one size fits all" does not equal +</I>><i> significant market share. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> OpenOffice.org user base is estimated to be around 100 million, the vast +</I>><i> majority (around 90%) on an MS platform even though linux distros get it by +</I>><i> default. OOo is targeted at office productivity people for obvious reasons, +</I>><i> it's branding, colour design (Blue engenders a feeling of reliability and +</I>><i> efficiency) is aimed at that market group. The Logo design is aimed at a 30 +</I>><i> to 45 age group, who are the decision makers in this group and to whom "Gulls" +</I>><i> = Freedom. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> As far as we can tell, OOo out performs MSO 2003, 2007 and 2010 combined +</I>><i> outside of educational institutions, but still is nowhere near the combined +</I>><i> user base of the MSO 97/2000/XP group. This penetration is down to marketing +</I>><i> on a shoestring, the OOo marketing project is the most active, marketing group +</I>><i> in the FOSS world other than RedHat, Ubuntu and Mozilla, most of whom are paid +</I>><i> and have a budget. +</I>><i> +</I> +Ignoring the Linux userbase for now, OpenOffice usage on MS side is +chosen on three merits: + +1. its free (economy) +2. it works as intended (need) +3. its open source (ideology) + +And the two first ones are the biggest reason obviously. + +><i> We do not work on voodoo, we work on science with measurable results. I don't +</I>><i> dismiss your code as crap because I am not a hacker. Don't dismiss what I say +</I>><i> as nonsense without logical and reasoned argument to back it up. Your +</I>><i> "feelings" don't count as a logical counter argument. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> I don't "fear", I _know_ from experience and research that a "One Size Fits +</I>><i> All" Product and marketing campaign will go nowhere. +</I> +Yeah, we can never please all, thats true, but we must also be careful +to not be "too narrow" as it also "kills" the product + +><i> As an addendum to that I would ask the question, The Zero to dead, male and +</I>><i> female market group, and I presume all nationalities and all religions and all +</I>><i> social groupings and all job types and all locations and localities, young, +</I>><i> old teenaged and middleaged, technologically educated and illiterate. How +</I>><i> would you present Mageia to all these vastly different groups of people? +</I>><i> +</I> +Its Linux! Anything anywhere! Whatever you need, we got it! :) + +><i> Wouldn't it be more sensible to say: "This group of people could materially +</I>><i> benefit from using Mageia as their preferred Technology platform, let's +</I>><i> communicate with them in a way that they can relate to." +</I>><i> +</I> +Yep. as long as it's not driven to a point where we offend/repel parts +of the community. + +Remember, Mageia _is_ a Community distribution. + +-- +Thomas +</PRE> + + + + + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="002390.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="002386.html">[Mageia-discuss] Mageia logo proposals and selection +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#2382">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#2382">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#2382">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#2382">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |