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+ <H1>[Mageia-discuss] First impressions</H1>
+ <B>Thomas C Gilliard</B>
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+ TITLE="[Mageia-discuss] First impressions">satellit at bendbroadband.com
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+ <I>Wed Feb 16 01:35:08 CET 2011</I>
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+Maarten Vanraes wrote:
+&gt;<i> Op dinsdag 15 februari 2011 22:01:21 schreef Thomas Backlund:
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Maarten Vanraes skrev 15.2.2011 22:34:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> These are my own very conchise first impressions:
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - no btrfs? (except in advanced setup)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> I think we can enable support for btrfs in standard setup
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> (but I dont think we should go for it as default yet...)
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> exactly, i looked at the list, and it lists ext3, ext4, xfs, jfs, etc... btrfs
+</I>&gt;<i> could easily be there amongst those.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> I would indeed wait to set it by default when it has been more used and proven
+</I>&gt;<i> as stable. (perhaps one or two releases further)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - core media
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> This screen was never clear to me, and i never selected it, however,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> perhaps for iso installation, a mirror repository should be
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> automatically there and selected by default? so that if there's updates,
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> they can already be used during installation... ? WDYT?
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Well, that page is to give the user the choice to add a mirror repo if
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> she/she wants it, but not forcing it...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i'm just thinking if we list some form of updates there by default, it could
+</I>&gt;<i> mean faster install (no updates later on), and if something wasn't functional,
+</I>&gt;<i> at release time, it could be &quot;pushed&quot; from repositories, so that it would work
+</I>&gt;<i> well.
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> at the same time, i think we should try to minimize the amount of packages
+</I>&gt;<i> needed to have working network, (or use the stuff that's in the stage tarballs
+</I>&gt;<i> to get network, instead of first installing part of it)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - i selected HTTP and it installed a few packages so i could enable
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> networking (2min)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - the partition step kept being highlighted, even when i was configuring
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> network...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - <A HREF="http://distrib-">http://distrib-</A>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> coffee.ipsl.jussieu.fr/pub/linux/Mageia/distrib/cauldron/x86_64 didn't
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> seem to work when configuring additional media
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> It might have been overloaded, so no free download slots...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> perhaps, i'm not sure
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - KDE choice (very funny artwork :-D )
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - installing (5min)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - when configuring, wizard said my password was trivial to guess, even
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> though i had letter and digits in it with total length 8
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> A good pasword should contain a mix of atleast 3 of theese:
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - lower-case characters
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - upper-case characters
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - numbers
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> - special characters
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> and preferably &gt;=10 characters
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> so, it's either trivial or good? no inbetweens?
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - perhaps the iso media should be removed after installation and when
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> updated media are installed? it keeps requesting for the DVD...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> That would mean getting network traffic, even if you have it on the iso.
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> And the user can always change it in the media manager
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> how often do you have people installing ISO, then removing iso, to boot from
+</I>&gt;<i> disk; only to find out that you have to put it in again to install a few
+</I>&gt;<i> applications. granted the first reboot doesn't boot from the iso, but the
+</I>&gt;<i> subsequent boots do use the iso...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> otoh, indeed it could mean increased network traffic...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - vim didn't show a color scheme for /etc/urpmi/urpmi.cfg .
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> - trying to update with urpmi --auto-select showed me that i had an
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> orphaned package ? kernel-desktop-devel ? odd...
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> urpmi orphans detection isn't perfect yet...
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> i don't think this is the problem, tbh, i'm wondering why it was even
+</I>&gt;<i> installed? (unless it was for dkms stuff?)
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> logs vbox3 guest: (vbox3 is still in 2010.2, so perhaps we should have
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i> vbox3 compatibility?)
+</I>&gt;&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> vbox 4 is in 2010.2 backports
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i> true, but would you dare to upgrade an existing vbox3 version to vbox4? i have
+</I>&gt;<i> several machines that are &quot;saved&quot;...
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
+</I>
+See: comments:
+/Preliminary testing shows Virtual Box Appliances from ver 3.1.10-12
+import and function well in ver 4.0.x and visa-versa / 12/26/2010 satellit
+<A HREF="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files#VirtualBox">http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Emulator_image_files#VirtualBox</A>
+
+I default to .vmdk and .ovf for export and import and do not use new
+.ova format for exports to maintain compatibility.
+
+Tom Gilliard
+satellit_ on freenode IRC
+&gt;&gt;<i> --
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i> Thomas
+</I>&gt;&gt;<i>
+</I>&gt;<i>
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