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I doubt if +</I>><i> >> the law would see it your way either. +</I>><i> >> +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> > Depends on what you see in Mageia. Is Mageia a mere provider of a +</I>><i> > technical system who does not care further than uploading the +</I>><i> > software? If so we don't need to discuss questions, we don't need to +</I>><i> > give warnings about anything, etc. Or do we have a sense of moral duty +</I>><i> > which goes beyond that? I am happy to see the decision of Mageia +</I>><i> > showing that they care. +</I>><i> > +</I>><i> Whether I agree with the results or not, I get annoyed when people +</I>><i> presume to do my risk assessments for me. I would rather do it myself in +</I>><i> most cases. And this is one of those cases. +</I>><i> +</I>><i> TJ +</I>><i> +</I>I didn't see any agreement, rebuttal, or acknowledgment of my suggestion that +"there are consequences from "user's choice" resulting in a machine distributing +spam, bots, malware, including damage to the reputation/adoption of FOSS, that +reach beyond the demise of one individual" + +You have given this a lot of thought. Perhaps you could answer. To put it +another way, if a user of a networked machine performs a risk assessment that +leads him to conclude it's safe to open an email attachment, for example, and + +1. his machine has not been configured to prevent the deployment of the malware +embedded in that attachment, +2. his networked machine proceeds to distribute the effects of that malware +across the internet, +3. many thousands of machines are exposed to/infected with this unwanted +software and/or more tangentially compromised by such consequences of +administrative privileges exposed to the internet as spam or DDOS, e.g. + +is there not more than just bad outcomes for the bad choices of the, +notwithstanding, annoyed, however, mistaken risk assessor? + +Sure, my example sounds exactly like a description of the environment created by +Microsoft, who, apparently, did not anticipate all the consequences of writing +software such that it is more easy to run. Sure, Linux is not Windows (and I'd +like to see it stay that way). Sure, Linux is touted as more secure than +Windows and does not, yet, have such a horrific history of waste and +destruction. However, there are vulnerabilities in Linux that are continuously +being patched and, should Linux come to be run on a more significant percentage +of machines, the number of eyes of ne'er-do-wells scrutinizing those +vulnerabilities will, most likely, increase. + +Are the parallels not clear to anyone else? Are you suggesting I should be +comfortable to trust the risk assessment of each and every user who would eschew +the wisdom of Unix-->Minix-->Linux developers and employ risky policy? I am +not. Do you believe that what happens on one machine has no potential effect on +any of the other connected machines, so Linux should be made to be whatever any +consumer of FOSS might like? I do not. To sum, again, Linux is not merely a +matter of an individual's choice. +Rolf + +</PRE> + + +<!--endarticle--> + <HR> + <P><UL> + <!--threads--> + <LI>Previous message: <A HREF="006983.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + <LI>Next message: <A HREF="006996.html">[Mageia-discuss] beta2 woes and no graphical root (tonyb) +</A></li> + <LI> <B>Messages sorted by:</B> + <a href="date.html#6995">[ date ]</a> + <a href="thread.html#6995">[ thread ]</a> + <a href="subject.html#6995">[ subject ]</a> + <a href="author.html#6995">[ author ]</a> + </LI> + </UL> + +<hr> +<a href="https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss">More information about the Mageia-discuss +mailing list</a><br> +</body></html> |